Talk:Targeted Individuals
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[edit] Another note from Mona to Mona
Include section on actual nefarious "targeting" govt does, like "stingrays," sureveilling and disrupting Occupy, BLM etc...
[edit] "United States of Paranoia: They See Gangs of Stalkers"
The New York Times just did a pretty good piece on TIs. Some editor(s) probably should incorporate part of of it into the article. While I continue to read a lot about this phenomenon I don't wish to participate at this site for the foreseeable future. (I see a notice that there's a message on my talk page: I decline to read it.) Anyone wanting additional information I have can email me. ---Mona- (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
- Interesting, thanks for the link suggestion! I'll look into integrating worthwhile parts of it into the article at some point (knock on wood; I have ADHD). Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
[edit] Baton Rouge cop killer was a TI
This should also absolutely be incorporated into the article:
His history of rambling postings indicated that the attack was motivated at least in part by killings by police of black Americans in recent years and the resulting unrest. In one recent clip, he expressed disgust over the arrest of protesters demonstrating in Baton Rouge over the fatal shooting of Alton Sterling earlier this month.---Mona- (talk) 02:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
But they also pointed to apparent paranoia and mental instability. Long complained last year to likeminded message board users that he was a long-term victim of “gang-stalking”, a supposedly intense form of government and corporate surveillance covering every aspect of a subject’s life.
Claiming to be a round-the-clock “TI” – targeted individual – Long urged others in his situation to wear body cameras to monitor such surveillance and to warn companies involved in harassment “that we are going to expose your involvement and rate your poor performances & games on the internet”.
- It certainly should! Great link again, thanks girl. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:38, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
[edit] Open Your Eyes, Free Your Mind
- This discussion was moved here from RationalWiki:Saloon bar#Open Your Eyes, Free Your Mind.
I am writing this in response to an "unwelcome" message I received after I attempted to make some edits on a wiki page about Targeted Individuals which I found to be totally biased, degrading, and narrow minded. I would like to share it with your group for general discussion. I do not assume that everybody in this community has this point of view of general lack of compassion or inability to think outside of the box/entertain new ideas. I pray that this is not deleted, as I consider this to be an important dialogue for your group to engage in.
Thank you for your lukewarm "unwelcome"
I find it very sad to see how your "rational" wiki fails to entertain ideas outside of your own very narrow perspective on reality.
I see "rational" defined as "based on or in accordance with reason or logic." Tell me, then, how do you explain, logically and rationally, what 96% of the universe is made of? ((http://www.space.com/11642-dark-matter-dark-energy-4-percent-universe-panek.html))
Now go ahead and tell me that you have zero doubt that the experiences of a growing and diverse group of people who identify as targeted individuals is a collective delusion. Zero doubt? Are you really that confident that you claim to know it all, to have it all figured out?
As I have already attempted to interject these sentiments into your TI wiki page and had them altered and re-edited, I am curious as to what this whole platform is really all about. Sharing our ideas and expanding our perspectives, learning how to keep an open mind to learn new things? Or to remain entrenched in the status quo? How many geniuses are there that were told their ideas were impossible?
The language used on your Targeted Individual wiki page is highly biased and totally demeaning to TI's - in other words, completely uncalled for. It smacks of self righteousness and myopic world views.
And how anybody can call MK Ultra or Cointelpro "pseudohistory' is beyond me. That is, unless you happen to be a character in George Orwell's 1984....
I see that you will guard your gates and spread your self righteous disinformation, regardless of attempts by others to expand your world views.
Again, it is sad, but I know a lost cause when I meet one.
I pray for the expansion of your consciousness, as well as for your ability to see past the end of your own nose. — Unsigned, by: 24.59.116.121 / talk / contribs
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on the toolbar above the edit panel. (You can indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line.) Thank you. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
- Hello.
- I find it very sad to see how your "rational" wiki fails to entertain ideas outside of your own very narrow perspective on reality.
- It was just me and another person. You find two editors to be representative on the community as a whole?
- The language used on your Targeted Individual wiki page is highly biased and totally demeaning to TI's - in other words, completely uncalled for. It smacks of self righteousness and myopic world views.
- "But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" Drink!
- —CheeseburgerFace (talk) 01:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
- I have an undue accusation for you BoN. No one who considers themselves a TI fails to suffer from at least low grade psychotic episodes or paranoid delusions(which are different from hallucinations).
- Asking you to seek therapy would probably come off to you as demeaning, insulting, patronizing, or a combination of all of them. But it's not intended as any of them. Therapy is perfectly harmless, involves no involuntary measures, and is often sought by entirely stable people who wish to deal with small personal issues, and is nothing to be ashamed of. It won't show up on a background check, you don't need to inform employers, most therapists can't even prescribe medication.
- But a therapist can help you accurately identify why you feel targeted, and, hell, if you're actually targeted, and I'm the crazy one, they can help you identify and separate from the negative influences in your life that might be causing it.
- Please seek therapy. If you don't want to talk to a therapist, let me know, and I can maybe help you find other ways to address this. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 15:51, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
You also have patient-doctor confidentiality with your therapist, so it's a legally protected space in which to process all this. Trust me, it's better than trying to do the same alone, in front of a computer, at all hours. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:05, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
[edit] Fidel Castro
... was definitely a 'targeted individual.'
We all probably have occasional feelings of 'them' being against us' (the idiots who get in your way when you are in a hurry or phone you during the last ten minutes of the thriller you are watching etc), and having runs of bad luck.
The question is why 'the authorities' would wish to target the people who are suffering these problems. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- And a better question is why they'd resort to bizarre half-measures, when recent evidence indicates that police forces can kill with near impunity. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- Along the same lines, one could ask why would a massive global conspiracy allow someone like Alex Jones to live, if is is as dangerous to their machinations as he believes himself to be. Petey Plane (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- Some of 'the idiots' are genuine nuisances, others just give greater priority to their own interests than in being cooperative with what you wish to do (and we have all met both).
- Perhaps the global conspiracy (of thinking sheeple) have decided that the best way of targetting such people is to #completely ignore them#.
- The best way of dealing with 'hostile officialdom' - find ways of confusing/baffling them, or write a bestselling story and find innovative ways of ensuring your tax moneys go to useful causes. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
- ... writing a best selling novel that satirizes their activities (or lack of them) - and I am suggesting 'targetting your taxes' rather than avoiding them (and other such activities). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 19:27, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
- Along the same lines, one could ask why would a massive global conspiracy allow someone like Alex Jones to live, if is is as dangerous to their machinations as he believes himself to be. Petey Plane (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2017 (UTC)