Talk:TheAmazingAtheist/Archive1
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Deletion
Sorry for deleting it prematurely. I'm still getting the hang of things. Anywho, this page is crap. It's a short, pointless page slandering a person who isn't even notable enough to have a page about, let alone slander. Furthermore, no pages link to it. Nothing necessitates its creation other than a soapbox from the page's creator. Not many pages will likely to link to it in the future either. --e|m|c [TALK] 21:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed, its crap and has very poor spelling. Ace McWickedNecron99 21:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- It is kinda stupid to make an article for everyone on Youtube that voices an opinion on God and evolution. Focus on the more fanatical simpletons--Tabris (talk) 22:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Delete & replace with an entry at WIGOclogs. This message brought to you by:
respondand honey 22:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, we are not going to start having individual articles on every youtuber. Stick it on in an article on youtube if there is anything worth salvaging. Delete this though. tmtoulouse 23:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done, nothing really worth salavaging. Ace McWickedNecron99 23:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, we are not going to start having individual articles on every youtuber. Stick it on in an article on youtube if there is anything worth salvaging. Delete this though. tmtoulouse 23:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Past Tense
Don't know the guy, but much of this article is past tense. is he no longer on youtube?
En attendant Godot 14:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- He's still with us. Fixed. DasRationalpersone (talk) 16:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Jerk
This section needs references. If we want to proclaim him a jerk we should at least supply URL to mentioned videos. DasRationalpersone (talk) 17:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- And Coughlan is a total drama whore so anyone punching him around should really be given the benefit of the doubt.
14:16, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Most subscribed
Why does "most subscribed atheist on YouTube" keep getting deleted? I don't know any that have more subscribers. -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 12:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- So you know how many people subscribe to every single YouTube account and whether or not the people who run those accounts believe in God or not? P-Foster (talk) 12:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
For clarity
RationalWiki in general has no real problems with people enjoying sexual gratification with food objects. Seriously, who are we to judge? We love goats a little too much. Please, stop wandalizing us with this nonsense. We are not ED. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 05:31, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- I think it's notable and thus worth mentioning, especially I like the way he cool-headidly reacted to the leak. And please stop calling me Vandal, I play Rome: Total War as Saxon. So yeah, I think it should be included. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 14:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Nobody cares what you think, when it comes to crap like that. 2 to 1 outvoted. Now drop it. --PsyGremlinПоговорите! 15:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- I see. "Who cares what's notable, if we no like it, then we no include it NOW STFU U OUTVOTED TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL." -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 15:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Well, you got the last part right. Also, as has been said before, you seem to be mistaking us for ED. --PsyGremlinFale! 15:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Can we include it if I do it differnet? Like, just "He was involved in a sex scandal when his sex tape was leaked, his reaction can be found here?" Pretty please? C'mon, care for what I think just for a sec ... -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 15:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- No. leave it. --PsyGremlinHable! 15:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Pretty please with a cherry on top? -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 15:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Seeing as how we agree with his response, "why is everyone making a big deal about this?" No. We don't feel like it's particularly anything worth mentioning. If he had become famous because of a sex scandal, that would have been different. But I mean, hey, the guy just enjoyed the company of a banana one night. Big deal. We here at RationalWiki are moving on. ED is free to play all this up for as much drama as they possibly want. That's their niche... our niche is different. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 21:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Pretty please with a cherry on top? -- DasRationalpersone
- No. leave it. --PsyGremlinHable! 15:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Can we include it if I do it differnet? Like, just "He was involved in a sex scandal when his sex tape was leaked, his reaction can be found here?" Pretty please? C'mon, care for what I think just for a sec ... -- DasRationalpersone
- Well, you got the last part right. Also, as has been said before, you seem to be mistaking us for ED. --PsyGremlinFale! 15:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- I see. "Who cares what's notable, if we no like it, then we no include it NOW STFU U OUTVOTED TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL." -- DasRationalpersone
- Nobody cares what you think, when it comes to crap like that. 2 to 1 outvoted. Now drop it. --PsyGremlinПоговорите! 15:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- I don't like how the article suddenly went from "he's an asshole" to complete fanboyism. Why are we according this guy any respect? He's despiccable. He's irrational in his insistence on being a douche. The man is pathologically incapable of empathy.--
. 21:29, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- The page on him is full of fanboyism because why? We don't feel like including details about his sex scandal? zOMG GO STOP THE PRESSES! Fact is that TJ is an anti-creationist, and that gets you credit on RationalWiki. We're fairly clear that his process is to be intolerant of everyone in order to bring tolerance to religious expression (or rather, non-religious expression). The guy has problems, like being anti-feminist, and generally being a dick to people who were abused in any way other than physically, but that doesn't make him "irrational", and it doesn't mean that he rejects Rationalism. Namely, we're not ED, we don't care about manufacturing drama about a person that we don't like just because we don't like them. We drag drama out of the closet and beat it with a shiny aluminum bat for people who preach ideas fundamentally opposing science, or scamming medical patients, or any of a number of things. Not because they're douchebags... --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 21:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Wait, being anti-feminist is a problem? And TJ is a dick for not believeing that calling name-calling-your-partner "abuse" is bollocks? And what BS exactly has he slung at people? I don't like generalization ... -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 21:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
- Note: he is not anti-feminist in a way that women should just KKK (Kinder, Küchen, Kirche), he is anti-feminist in a way that he sees women having more privileges in society than men, and he opposes that. As for abuse: he just doesn't like sensitive people. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, but w/e. And he isn't ignorant or intolerant of all but his believes. He is ignorant and intolerant to (what he calls) stupid believes. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 08:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- Kinder, Küchen, Kirche isn't anti-feminist, it's chauvanist/sexist. He is not a sexist, but he believes that we're living in a post-feminism world, where feminists are evil bitches who make up sexism in everything, because we apparently have nothing better to do. He's upset because now that we've gotten this far, balancing the rights and dignity of females with men so that we're actually equal, requires us to diminish male privilege. He ascribes to the "I believe in equal rights for females, but I'm not a feminist" viewpoint. To him, feminists are evil harpies out to castrate men. No, we just want to be treating like fucking equals, and we still don't have that in this world. So, basically, he's a sexism denialist, but not a sexism perpetrator. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 09:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- So how often do you get discriminated against? --Mack Coster (talk) 10:30, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- I can't legally talk about it, because there was a settlement with an NDA. But yeah, I get discriminated against a lot. And how can you ask about "where's the discrimination?" Do me a favor, and google "Terra" the new MMO, and tell me it's not blatantly sexist, and while you're at it, figure out how much the average woman makes compared to the average man. Hint: it's lower. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 11:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- There are obvious biological reasons for the income disparity. And God forbid somebody makes a game for a male audience. --Mack Coster (talk) 12:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- Oh? Biological reasons for the income disparity, hm? Amazing, do go on about why a woman putting widgets together should earn less than a man doing the same task... I need a reference for the sexism article.
- The issue isn't that there are games made for men, it's that nearly all games are made for men. It's like global warming, and climate change. A single heat wave, or freak storm doesn't prove global warming or climate change all on its own. It's an aggregate combination of all of it together that indicates them. "Terra" is simply a single data point. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 12:21, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- There are obvious biological reasons for the income disparity. And God forbid somebody makes a game for a male audience. --Mack Coster (talk) 12:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- I can't legally talk about it, because there was a settlement with an NDA. But yeah, I get discriminated against a lot. And how can you ask about "where's the discrimination?" Do me a favor, and google "Terra" the new MMO, and tell me it's not blatantly sexist, and while you're at it, figure out how much the average woman makes compared to the average man. Hint: it's lower. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 11:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- So how often do you get discriminated against? --Mack Coster (talk) 10:30, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- Kinder, Küchen, Kirche isn't anti-feminist, it's chauvanist/sexist. He is not a sexist, but he believes that we're living in a post-feminism world, where feminists are evil bitches who make up sexism in everything, because we apparently have nothing better to do. He's upset because now that we've gotten this far, balancing the rights and dignity of females with men so that we're actually equal, requires us to diminish male privilege. He ascribes to the "I believe in equal rights for females, but I'm not a feminist" viewpoint. To him, feminists are evil harpies out to castrate men. No, we just want to be treating like fucking equals, and we still don't have that in this world. So, basically, he's a sexism denialist, but not a sexism perpetrator. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 09:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- Note: he is not anti-feminist in a way that women should just KKK (Kinder, Küchen, Kirche), he is anti-feminist in a way that he sees women having more privileges in society than men, and he opposes that. As for abuse: he just doesn't like sensitive people. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, but w/e. And he isn't ignorant or intolerant of all but his believes. He is ignorant and intolerant to (what he calls) stupid believes. -- DasRationalpersone
Women aren't treated as equals. That's wrong. But TJ doesn't want men to keep male privileges, he wants both having same privileges or noone having any. In the court, in like fucking 90% of divorce cases, the mother gets the children. There are numerous other cases of women's de facto privileges, as seen in his videos on feminism. Maybe he has attacked the wrong group or is generalizing, but he has a point. -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 17:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- About video games: we need more female video game developers. Then we might just get a game for women. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 17:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- Right, because secret antiperspirant is totally made exclusively by women, right? Bras of course were manufactured and designed by women all the way throughout the entire history of the bra, right? Even when women weren't allowed to work? This idea that sex A will and can only produce content targeting sex A is fucking apologistics for sexism. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 08:41, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
- Video games aren't sexist because the video game designers are sexist, it's because off business. Men play video games more and thus games targeted to them sell better. If we have more women designing and playing video games, then we just might get more games with big, muscular, handsom Arnie guys. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 13:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
- Hm... it's such a well-known fact, that everyone knows it, right? Except, it's not true. Of course, if we just ignore women entirely from the market, then conveniently we can be sexist all we want, and treat women like sex objects, etc. It's not like it's the case where we shouldn't be sexist even when no one is looking. After all, "no cop? no stop!" Right? Morality only applies when you can get in trouble! I know when I'm all alone with my white friends, we break out the word "nigger" and talk about how all them niggers are stupid, and that's why they're not proportionally represented in CEOs and other high-level executive positions. I mean, it's not racist, right? Because there are no niggers there to get offended by it! (/satire) --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 01:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Well, based on my experiences with females, all of my male friends play video games constantly, while females barely touch them. Maybe that's just local. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 09:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- I know a guy who took homeopathic remedies for ebola, and it CURED him. Seriously, you're going to bring anecdote into this argument? Let's see, as for anecdotes, being that I am a reasonably extroverted female, I have a number of female friends. Most of them play some form of video game, one of them even played World of Warcraft for a heck of a lot longer and more than I ever did. (She beat me to level 70, 80, and 85. And now has/had multiple characters at 85, one for each healing class, and a warlock. I got one character to 60, then two to 70, and I think I managed to get those two up to 82 later.) Point is: there are plenty of females who play a ton of video games, and your lack of evidence to support that in your personal life is not valid evidence, and is certainly not a good reason to invent justification for sexism. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 10:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't say my personal experience is evidence. I just said that I did epic fail because I didn't bother to look at polls and based my argument on personal experience. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 10:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, as long as you understand that feminism is still necessary... and why as a result of that, you—a man—are a worthless rapist scum. (/satire) --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 13:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- Oh noez! I iz rapist!!!??!! -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 15:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- Oh noez! I iz rapist!!!??!! -- DasRationalpersone
- Ok, as long as you understand that feminism is still necessary... and why as a result of that, you—a man—are a worthless rapist scum. (/satire) --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 13:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't say my personal experience is evidence. I just said that I did epic fail because I didn't bother to look at polls and based my argument on personal experience. -- DasRationalpersone
- I know a guy who took homeopathic remedies for ebola, and it CURED him. Seriously, you're going to bring anecdote into this argument? Let's see, as for anecdotes, being that I am a reasonably extroverted female, I have a number of female friends. Most of them play some form of video game, one of them even played World of Warcraft for a heck of a lot longer and more than I ever did. (She beat me to level 70, 80, and 85. And now has/had multiple characters at 85, one for each healing class, and a warlock. I got one character to 60, then two to 70, and I think I managed to get those two up to 82 later.) Point is: there are plenty of females who play a ton of video games, and your lack of evidence to support that in your personal life is not valid evidence, and is certainly not a good reason to invent justification for sexism. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 10:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Well, based on my experiences with females, all of my male friends play video games constantly, while females barely touch them. Maybe that's just local. -- DasRationalpersone
- Hm... it's such a well-known fact, that everyone knows it, right? Except, it's not true. Of course, if we just ignore women entirely from the market, then conveniently we can be sexist all we want, and treat women like sex objects, etc. It's not like it's the case where we shouldn't be sexist even when no one is looking. After all, "no cop? no stop!" Right? Morality only applies when you can get in trouble! I know when I'm all alone with my white friends, we break out the word "nigger" and talk about how all them niggers are stupid, and that's why they're not proportionally represented in CEOs and other high-level executive positions. I mean, it's not racist, right? Because there are no niggers there to get offended by it! (/satire) --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 01:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Video games aren't sexist because the video game designers are sexist, it's because off business. Men play video games more and thus games targeted to them sell better. If we have more women designing and playing video games, then we just might get more games with big, muscular, handsom Arnie guys. -- DasRationalpersone
- Right, because secret antiperspirant is totally made exclusively by women, right? Bras of course were manufactured and designed by women all the way throughout the entire history of the bra, right? Even when women weren't allowed to work? This idea that sex A will and can only produce content targeting sex A is fucking apologistics for sexism. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 08:41, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
- And why do women nearly always get the children? Oh, right, because it's a stereotype that moms are more involved in their children's lives, because they're the people who are responsible for caring for the children. Why do mothers get longer maternity leave then fathers do? Oh, the same reason, because it's the woman's responsibility to raise the children. Sexism hurts men too, and these things that people bring up that are "female privilege" are not there for the woman's benefit, they are there because of sexist stereotypes or sexist cultural traditions. "Women don't have to pay for dates." because it was standard practice not too long ago that the man was the breadwinner, and women stayed home and weren't allowed to work. So, it's the man's responsibility to pay for a date in order to demonstrate to a woman that they can support her, because she's not going to be working. (Note: this is no longer the intent that men have behind paying for dates, but it was the original reason. The intent and reason for it continuing is tradition.) Yes, TJ doesn't want women to have special rights, and for both sexes to be equal, but the point that FEMINISTS are trying to make is that the system is STILL SEXIST against them. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 08:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Why shouldn't we include the information about 'Bananagate'? It's notable, and I think it probably caused some amount of controversy in Youtube land. Just because we say what happened doesn't mean we're condemning it or anything. Besides, it's so in line with his character. Fidgetertalk to me :D 15:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe we should start WIGO:TheAmazingAtheist, then. The incident is not relevant to our mission. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 15:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- And '15 inch penis' is? You guys are taking yourselves way too seriously. It's an article about a guy who makes Youtube videos. Just fucking include the paragraph that states a video was leaked of him fucking himself with a banana, Jesus. Flitzertalk to me :D 15:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- There's no nice way to say this, so: take your banana fetish and fick off to ED with it. You can die there too, for all I care. End of story. Do not bring it up again. --PsyGremlinSermā! 15:29, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- And '15 inch penis' is? You guys are taking yourselves way too seriously. It's an article about a guy who makes Youtube videos. Just fucking include the paragraph that states a video was leaked of him fucking himself with a banana, Jesus. Flitzertalk to me :D 15:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
New strip
What's with that strip? He doesn't debate like that anymore, so we should add it to "Past" or something. It doesn't really fit with text on the left -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 14:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- It's a retarded comic from Encyclopedia Dramatica. There's really no reason why we should have it, AT ALL. Especially, when it makes a retarded creationist look like a reasonable person. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 21:08, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- You know, the character in the comic was not described as a creationist. He went to church, that is all. Second of all, so long as a creationist doesn't try to hinder scientific education or press his beliefs onto those who don't share them, what does it matter that they are creationists? Finally, maybe he doesn't debate like that anymore, but that's his lasting legacy, and he's done nothing to apologize for it. --
. 23:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- Isn't ED's job to cling on retarded past of a person for all eternity? Well, if we do that, we at least shouldn't stick it to the "present." We're moving on here. That's why bananagate wasn't included. And I would like to see some sources of him attacking "someone who just came from the church." -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 14:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- A holdover from when the article was desperate for content. It can probably go now.
d hominem 14:46, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- A holdover from when the article was desperate for content. It can probably go now.
- Isn't ED's job to cling on retarded past of a person for all eternity? Well, if we do that, we at least shouldn't stick it to the "present." We're moving on here. That's why bananagate wasn't included. And I would like to see some sources of him attacking "someone who just came from the church." -- DasRationalpersone
- You know, the character in the comic was not described as a creationist. He went to church, that is all. Second of all, so long as a creationist doesn't try to hinder scientific education or press his beliefs onto those who don't share them, what does it matter that they are creationists? Finally, maybe he doesn't debate like that anymore, but that's his lasting legacy, and he's done nothing to apologize for it. --
Notable videos
I think there may be some debate over what the word "notable" means. I'm tempted to go in there and remove every second one. PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 03:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, most of them are off-mission. Maybe we should leave only those relevant to RW. Idunno. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 11:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- I took out anything with <200k views. PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 14:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe we should leave some videos that are important representatives of his views. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 19:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe we should leave some videos that are important representatives of his views. -- DasRationalpersone
- I took out anything with <200k views. PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 14:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
203.59.15.217
Somebody block this guy, his repetitive vandalisms make me want to blow my fucking brains out. -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 14:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Not Vandalism
The Straw Feminist isn't just limited to fiction watch anything on CBS about their beloved double strandeds or even worse watch any TV movie produced by Lifetime Tv network and see that the (feminist) writers not only portray all males as violent potential rapist but also all women as week and defenceless against them.
Further more ask any feminist if any male is automatically guilty of women's oppression from birth, they are guaranteed to, also ask any feminist if they believe in the "rape culture", they are guaranteed to. There for all feminist believe that all men are misogynistic oppressors, potential rapist, expendable both physically and mentally, useless as fathers, husbands and sons and finally are unable to do anything women can do. Pure hypocrisy. — Unsigned, by: 203.59.15.217 / talk / contribs
- All, you say? Peter talk, or type, or whatever... 06:29, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
To add insult to injury any man or women for that matter who believes that men should be treated with care like women is a "misogynist" and all feminist have failed to realise the error of their ways. — Unsigned, by: 203.59.15.217 / talk / contribs
- That does not really describe the beliefs of most feminists, only the pinko variety (who not only pretend that they are the only True FeministsTM, but are loudmouthed enough that they manage to make some people believe it).
ListenerXTalkerX 06:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- I treat anyone who deserves it, with care. I hold doors for anyone behind me, male or female, and if they are older, kids, or have their hands full, i'll go out of my way to grab doors. I expect that everyone likes TLC, and wants a hot cup of coffee at night, myself included. But, if you don't respect me, i'm not goign to respect you. and if you demand or EXPECT me to care for you, likely I won't.
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 15:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- I treat anyone who deserves it, with care. I hold doors for anyone behind me, male or female, and if they are older, kids, or have their hands full, i'll go out of my way to grab doors. I expect that everyone likes TLC, and wants a hot cup of coffee at night, myself included. But, if you don't respect me, i'm not goign to respect you. and if you demand or EXPECT me to care for you, likely I won't.
They only support the female gender and not the male gender as well. If you do not subjugate women or even if you support women's rights then they will think of some other excuse to call you a misogynist.
- Good job taking a small section of wingnuts in a group and then conflating them so that they are the group. Yes, there exist anti-men, reverse-sexist feminists out there, and they may be vocal, but they are by far not the majority.
- Most women who are feminists, have felt the burden of being an underclass. WE have very little time for whiners. WE have very little time for people who say "But who's taking care of me", or say "but I lost my kids in the divorce, and that's man hating". Cause in our experience, most people who whine like you are, are not actually pro women, or even "pro male" but are in fact, anti women, and are generally upset that some women, somewhere pissed in their cheerios and they need to "hate on" all other women.
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 15:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- We have very little time for whiners... Oh, I am not so sure about that; they seem to have plenty of time to hold such whiners up as poster-boys illustrating what dissenters look like.
ListenerXTalkerX 03:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- We have very little time for whiners... Oh, I am not so sure about that; they seem to have plenty of time to hold such whiners up as poster-boys illustrating what dissenters look like.
- Most women who are feminists, have felt the burden of being an underclass. WE have very little time for whiners. WE have very little time for people who say "But who's taking care of me", or say "but I lost my kids in the divorce, and that's man hating". Cause in our experience, most people who whine like you are, are not actually pro women, or even "pro male" but are in fact, anti women, and are generally upset that some women, somewhere pissed in their cheerios and they need to "hate on" all other women.
And on TJ: I like a lot of his videos, but his ones dealing with feminism kind of piss me off, mostly because he does the same thing the BoN does, and is an asshole. Fuckertalk to me :D 07:21, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Look up the perspective of Masculism or Men's Rights on Wikipedia (which doesn't just allow you to blog in anything) and you will see that its the majority, if not then the entire movement that subjugate.— Unsigned, by: 203.59.15.217 / talk / contribs
- ...What? There exists a page on Wikipedia which claims that some people claim that all feminists are man-haters, so it must be true? What kind of fucked up logic is that? Fuckertalk to me :D 14:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- Gotta tell you, as a feminist who believes in the rape culture, your comments from the start, dear BON are loathsome to me. They are ignorant of any of the arguments made by feminists other than the single words you hear "attack on men" or "take men's power from them". You have set up such view of what it is to be feminist, that you will never ever have to actually worry about being one or even meeting one, but in one swoop you can demonize all women who want to control their world and their lives. If you ever want to know why we are a culture of rape, just take a look at the oh too slowly changing behaviors of courtship. In all effect, up until only the last 30 or 40 years, the man expected a virgin that he then wooed into submission to him, a woman who was not expected to enjoy sex, but to tolerate it in exchange for a ring, children, and financial support. In the US, UK, Germany, France, Canada - this has largely changed, but not entirely. Women are still expected to put out, even if they don't want to; men are still told as young lads that a woman will say no, and it's your job to convince her "yes". And 1 in 10 women in the US, and 1 in 4 women world wide, will be raped outside of the bonds of marriage (the numbers SOAR when you look at spousal rape). Why do we talk about a rape culture? Why do we talk about male oppression? Cause the system is designed with 6,000 year old values that make a woman a supplement to a man. Sorry the truth offends you, but you really aught to learn the actual arguments, rather than just saying "feminists are icky cause I don't like what they say about me as a gender."
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 15:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part, but I feel like feminist/MRA-related material brings the most butthurt BONs out of the woodwork except maybe the Objectivism articles. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- True, the more fanatical feminists have mastered better than some the fine art of throwing a tantrum until someone gives them a cookie, but I think the medical-quack articles have to take the cake there. We have had some truly epic talk-page tirades over those articles.
ListenerXTalkerX 03:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- True, the more fanatical feminists have mastered better than some the fine art of throwing a tantrum until someone gives them a cookie, but I think the medical-quack articles have to take the cake there. We have had some truly epic talk-page tirades over those articles.
- Maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part, but I feel like feminist/MRA-related material brings the most butthurt BONs out of the woodwork except maybe the Objectivism articles. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- Gotta tell you, as a feminist who believes in the rape culture, your comments from the start, dear BON are loathsome to me. They are ignorant of any of the arguments made by feminists other than the single words you hear "attack on men" or "take men's power from them". You have set up such view of what it is to be feminist, that you will never ever have to actually worry about being one or even meeting one, but in one swoop you can demonize all women who want to control their world and their lives. If you ever want to know why we are a culture of rape, just take a look at the oh too slowly changing behaviors of courtship. In all effect, up until only the last 30 or 40 years, the man expected a virgin that he then wooed into submission to him, a woman who was not expected to enjoy sex, but to tolerate it in exchange for a ring, children, and financial support. In the US, UK, Germany, France, Canada - this has largely changed, but not entirely. Women are still expected to put out, even if they don't want to; men are still told as young lads that a woman will say no, and it's your job to convince her "yes". And 1 in 10 women in the US, and 1 in 4 women world wide, will be raped outside of the bonds of marriage (the numbers SOAR when you look at spousal rape). Why do we talk about a rape culture? Why do we talk about male oppression? Cause the system is designed with 6,000 year old values that make a woman a supplement to a man. Sorry the truth offends you, but you really aught to learn the actual arguments, rather than just saying "feminists are icky cause I don't like what they say about me as a gender."
This article
Is much improved. My thanks to those that worked on it.--"Shut up, Brx." 03:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- Bienvenue. Il n'ya pas de quoi. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 03:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- Vsa zahvala gre MENI, ker sem jaz sprožil plaz! There, I know multiple languages, too! Kinda, lol.-- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 06:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- Assuming Google translate knows Slovenian well enough: Well, the original version of the article kept the same tone, and was a stub. A stub would be all this wiki needs on a youtuber. Then you came along and expanded it with lots of fervent praise. So yeah, you started an avalanche, but really the article would have been fine as it was before you came along.--
. 14:42, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say that that huge pile of hate-rant-slander-YouTube-drama-report had the same tone as this article, which is at least trying to be rational, not to mention calling it "fine." -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 15:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say that that huge pile of hate-rant-slander-YouTube-drama-report had the same tone as this article, which is at least trying to be rational, not to mention calling it "fine." -- DasRationalpersone
- Assuming Google translate knows Slovenian well enough: Well, the original version of the article kept the same tone, and was a stub. A stub would be all this wiki needs on a youtuber. Then you came along and expanded it with lots of fervent praise. So yeah, you started an avalanche, but really the article would have been fine as it was before you came along.--
- Vsa zahvala gre MENI, ker sem jaz sprožil plaz! There, I know multiple languages, too! Kinda, lol.-- DasRationalpersone
"You are Automatically Responsible for Women's Oppression if you are Born Male"
I have coexisted with the opposite sex since infancy, believed in gender equality since I was a toddler, was the token male in a female group when I was a tween. I write females that go a great deal beyond the smurfett principle, have never been with a woman in my life and even when I was in high school I thought "All Men are Perverts" was demeaning to my gender. I hate to brake it to you but we are not all rapist despite what you have been lead to believe that .5% of the male population is 100%. I believe women should have equal and not supreme governmental post, women AND men should not be subjugated or abused, even though you love your double standards, men are just as emotional as women (which mostly goes beyond relationships), the Saudi Arabian government needs to fall because of the subjugation of women there, despite that you believe that all men are misogynistic subductors. You have proven that all feminist are like the Klan because you only have love for your own collective, example if a boy is raped by a man or a women then you would laugh a him because he is born with a Y chromosome, its right to castrate a male (often without reason) but not right to do the same for a female because of your beloved double standards and all women are allowed to falsely accuse even a virgin celibit and no one will question it because after all "only males are sexist and all males are sexist". — Unsigned, by: 203.59.15.217 / talk / contribs
- The "only males are sexist" thing is partly due to a mix-up of terms between most of the population and the feminist theorists, the latter of whom use a definition of "sexism" by which it is possible to be "sexist" and "anti-sexist" at the same time. The only thing this concept shares with what most of us call "sexism" is the name.
ListenerXTalkerX 08:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
OK then so what is your commit of the title of this talk section? — Unsigned, by: 203.59.15.217 / talk / contribs
- And what is the female about that which the man is? — Unsigned, by: 176.9.235.126 / talk / contribs
Any women who identifies herself as a feminist and not a equalist because all forms of feminism are in reality Gender Feminist/Separatist Feminist in disguise.— Unsigned, by: 203.59.15.217 / talk / contribs The equalist womans is who what all that where she is that not are - sometimes.— Unsigned, by: 176.9.235.126 / talk / contribs
- Why is it that such bigotry goes along with poor writing skills? Bad Faith (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
- Now, Bad Faith, he makes a point. Certainly, not all feminists believe this, but there is a faction of radical feminists who believe in female superiority.--Colonel Sanders (talk) 13:25, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
But when women or men are the not what is the answer to the when or not? Which is better then? — Unsigned, by: 174.140.169.143 / talk / contribs
- Why is a mouse when it spins? --24.246.11.252 (talk) 13:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Getting back to the point, our dear BoN seems to equate feminism with female supremicism. This is a bit like saying anyone who wants racial equality is a Black Panther. Whilst there are looneys on the fringe, as there are with any movement, in general feminism is about equality. It's about changing a long standing culture where women are lesser citizens who deserve less pay and less respect. I felt that WfG addressed the 'all men are rapists' aspect very clearly and very sucinctly. It's a cultural thing and the west is, in its way, just as guilty as, say, Saudi Arabia. Women, far more than men, are judged by their looks, judged as sex objects, not as humans. That is what the fight is about. Bad Faith (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Trolling
Okay, how come the response to this article being trolled is not to block the troll, but to simply protect it from editing? Flubbertalk to me :D 08:09, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same thing myself.
ListenerXTalkerX 08:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
- The edits were being made from different IPs. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
He's not trolling he is just trying to make a social statement that not all us males are violent potential rapist and Chauvinist pigs that all you make us all out to be.— Unsigned, by: 124.169.190.43 / talk / contribs
- That's rich, coming from the troll with the fucking creepy banana fixation. --PsyGremlinPrata! 10:26, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
So do you believe that ALL us men are violent potential rapist and Chauvinist pigs like the other two feminist on the talk page, or not?— Unsigned, by: 124.169.190.43 / talk / contribs
Never ever feed a troll. That is all. -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 14:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
- That's not exactly true -- there are sometimes when it's appropriate or just fun to feed a troll. Fuckertalk to me :D 17:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
- True. TJ said that as well. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 18:03, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
- True. TJ said that as well. -- DasRationalpersone
We're not feeding or being fed, where feuding, I haven't started the Anti-feminist party it is as old as feminism itself and according to Youtube they take up a small if not then a fair majority of its reception, and you still have't answered my question.— Unsigned, by: 124.169.190.43 / talk / contribs
- The anti feminist party is as old as feminism itself. --- That is exactly feminists' point(s). Thanks for playing. --
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 21:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
- The anti feminist party is as old as feminism itself. --- That is exactly feminists' point(s). Thanks for playing. --
Search videos such as "This is what a Feminist Looks Like" or "Tropes vs. Women: #6 The Straw Feminist" and the rating bar actually has the majority of negative views. There for those who are for them enforce misandry and lie that it douse not exist and those are against them fight against misandry and actually believe in gender equality.— Unsigned, by: 124.169.190.43 / talk / contribs
- Is English your first language?--ZooGuard (talk) 22:51, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
- (I knoe, i'm feeding the troll, but the alternative is to clean house, including scrubbing the tub, comode and bathroom floor that i share with a BOY. would rather take on a troll, actually. heh.)
- dear troll "search videos such as "the moon landing hoax" and "why god created the earth in 6 days" and the rating bar actually has the majority of negative views.
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 23:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Unlike the conspiracies that you have listed what I claim feminism to be is not a conspiracy but a accepted fact from both in and out of feminism that all feminist believe all us males are violent potential rapist and Chauvinist pigs.— Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs
- I'm a feminist. I don't believe that. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 03:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes you do because your movement believes in the rape culture and that only women can be victims of sexism.— Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs
- Thank you for telling me what I believe. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 14:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Add "How old are you?" to "Is English your first language?".--ZooGuard (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Here, have a little treat, trolly: accusing one person of a group of having the same believes as all other members (and even if stereotiphical believes are wrong is in question here) is the same as calling every single German in Third reich nazi, which is a factual fallacy. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 09:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Germany is a nation not a belief, throughout history all religions (including atheism) have done far more harm then good both to themselves and to each other. You can chose what you want to believe in, but you can't choose your age, sex, race, state, era, ect. Yes different religions have different denominations but as long as they all believe in the same thing they they are considered the same religion. The same is with Feminism and just about every other movement in which its name only applies to one thing. — Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs
- "as long as you believe the same thing you are considered teh same religion". Oh,so THAT is why all these protestant mini groups tell the others they are going to hell! Did you even read why *many* (not most) women / feminists talk about a culture of rape? I've never met a single feminsts who thinks "all men are violent rapits"... in fact most of us think society has set it up so men do not even have to be violent to rape. Dworkin, the most "pro rape" of us out there, doesn't think men are violent. She thinks rape happens by buying women bobbles, rings, childern etc. but to understand that would mean you actually have to READ. hum. my cat needs attention. are trolls tasty to cats?--
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 16:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- "as long as you believe the same thing you are considered teh same religion". Oh,so THAT is why all these protestant mini groups tell the others they are going to hell! Did you even read why *many* (not most) women / feminists talk about a culture of rape? I've never met a single feminsts who thinks "all men are violent rapits"... in fact most of us think society has set it up so men do not even have to be violent to rape. Dworkin, the most "pro rape" of us out there, doesn't think men are violent. She thinks rape happens by buying women bobbles, rings, childern etc. but to understand that would mean you actually have to READ. hum. my cat needs attention. are trolls tasty to cats?--
- You should really check out my second law of rationality. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 17:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- You should really check out my second law of rationality. -- DasRationalpersone
- "You can chose[sic] what you want to believe in" - really? (and fucking sign your posts - it's quite easy) Scream!! (talk) 12:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
-- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 16:27, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
That's Not What Iv'e Seen
You have never met a single feminist that believes all men are violent rapist? You must of missed Black Faith's commit in which she specifies that she believes that and all men think they are superior to women, all think they are nothing more then sexual objects and compares all nations and societies to the Saudi Arabian government. The user Tiberius Gracchus also believes that all men think its ok to rape and subjugate women. — Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs
- Dude, fucking sign your comments. It's not hard -- it's four tildes. ~~~~ See? Fuckertalk to me :D 04:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Diffs or it never happened. Peter talk, or type, or whatever... 04:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- No doubt some people who describe themselves as feminists have extremist views, see e.g. Julie McCrossin's "Women, wimmin, womyn, womin, whippets - On Lesbian Separatism". But it is a major misrepresentation to suggest those holding these extremist views constitute all feminists, or even most feminists. Zack Martin
05:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- This is the problem of the "silent majority": the cranks and fanatics in a movement are such loudmouths that they grab a disproportionate share of attention and make a movement seem more extreme than it is. With the mainstreaming of feminism, you will now get a little of that in any specifically feminist publication; but our local feminist paper, the Minnesota Women's Press, is far less crankish than the national feminist media (it does attract the neo-pagan cranks, but that is another matter entirely).
ListenerXTalkerX 05:49, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Am I supposed to know who "black faith" is? --
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 18:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- The BoN meant Bad Faith.
ListenerXTalkerX 03:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Ahh, then the BON is an idiot. As BF never once stated all men think they are superior to women. BF was saying, as was I, that society is what society is. any specific male may well disagree, but he is still part of a sexist society. even if he is not sexist. good good BON work harder proving you are an idiot!
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 03:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Ahh, then the BON is an idiot. As BF never once stated all men think they are superior to women. BF was saying, as was I, that society is what society is. any specific male may well disagree, but he is still part of a sexist society. even if he is not sexist. good good BON work harder proving you are an idiot!
- The BoN meant Bad Faith.
- Am I supposed to know who "black faith" is? --
- This is the problem of the "silent majority": the cranks and fanatics in a movement are such loudmouths that they grab a disproportionate share of attention and make a movement seem more extreme than it is. With the mainstreaming of feminism, you will now get a little of that in any specifically feminist publication; but our local feminist paper, the Minnesota Women's Press, is far less crankish than the national feminist media (it does attract the neo-pagan cranks, but that is another matter entirely).
- No doubt some people who describe themselves as feminists have extremist views, see e.g. Julie McCrossin's "Women, wimmin, womyn, womin, whippets - On Lesbian Separatism". But it is a major misrepresentation to suggest those holding these extremist views constitute all feminists, or even most feminists. Zack Martin
- Diffs or it never happened. Peter talk, or type, or whatever... 04:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
The Amazing Fascist
TJ is just another unbelieving fascist, he like any atheist believes that all religions people are creationist and forces his beliefs on others. He just proves that atheism is no better the religion. Kind of like how the pigs where no different to the humans in George Orwell's novel Animal Farm.— Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs 06:21, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- He just loves when people change his name into some similar-sounding abomination, dontchaknow. And what exactly does "religions people" mean? What do you mean by "forcing his believes on others?" Just in case you don't know, he doesn't go around attacking all even slightly religious people anymore. And I'm confused: what exactly does "atheism is no better the religion" mean? I'm honestly having difficulties understanding your message. -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 07:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
They say god is the spaghetti monster, so you shouldn't believe in god, they say it just goes black when you die so you should be fearful of death, they believe that religion is the root of all evil and they think they have the answer of how life works. The history of communism is dominated by atheist fascism in which those that where even slightly religious where tortured and murdered by the Atheist Inquisition. — Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs 09:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, um, I'm no atheist, but communism ≠ fascism. Communists generally were atheists; fascists had varying relationships to religion, but conservative religious traditionalism was much more common than anything resembling atheism. Zack Martin
09:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- (actually, almost no communists were atheists. They just played on
on Tvin public. So much easier that way. --
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 18:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- (actually, almost no communists were atheists. They just played on
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32UGD0fV45g -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 09:47, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed I must say that the talents of Eduard Khil are rather under-recognised; it is a pity that most people's familiarity with his works is limited to that one song. Zack Martin
10:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed I must say that the talents of Eduard Khil are rather under-recognised; it is a pity that most people's familiarity with his works is limited to that one song. Zack Martin
- Prepare for point-by-point refutation;
- Atheists don't say God is a Spaghetti Monster, they use it as an example that just because you can't disprove something doesn't mean it must exist.
- Believing that nothing happens after death is not a reason to be fearful. Believing that you might spend the rest of eternity getting red hot pokers shoved up your arse is. Fear of this kind of death is one of the main factors in religion that keeps churches full on Sundays.
- All atheists are not anti-theist and do not believe religion is the root of all evil. This is plain untrue.
- "Atheism" does not claim to understand how life works, that's what science is about, and it's a constant learning process. Modern science explains life by fact, not by belief systems.
- Soviet Communists pretty much shat over anything and everyone that opposed them, and fair enough, that included religious doctrines. However, religious conflicts have over the years led to more bloodshed than those killed in the Soviet Union for purely religious reasons.
- It's been a pleasure. SJ Debaser 11:18, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
What of the statements I have made of Atheism before I brought up Communism? — Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs 09:49, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I am not an atheist, and I don't agree with atheism. But, of what I have seen so far, your criticisms of atheism have not particularly impressed me; others do much better than you do at that. Zack Martin
10:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Atheism is just another religion, so how can any one portray them in a more positive light then I did? — Unsigned, by: 58.7.250.141 / talk / contribs 10:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- So what do you believe then? Zack Martin
10:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
For the last 2600 years science has thought itself to be right but it has kept on getting changed as more was discovered just like religion keeps on changing as they find out more. The greatest mass murders in history where communist including Stalin, Mao and Pol. Russell T Davis is an atheist and encouraged his viewers to be fearful of an eternity of nothingness when you die. Anthropology has for centuries been considered science and has harmed all races and both sexes. Saying the the fabric of reality began with a big big is probably no closer to the answer then Abraham was 4000 years ago when he said the world began 2000 years before his time in six days.
I sorry that I'm not signed, it is because I don't know how to do it properly.
- Anthropology is not a science, it's a logy like astrology or biology. --145.94.77.43 (talk) 12:16, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Depends on what you mean by science. Anthropology is not a physical science, but it is commonly considered a social science. If we go back to the original meaning of science, then all -logies were originally considered "sciences", including theology and astrology — it is only in more recent histories, that the term "science" (and its cognates) has evolved to exclude those disciplines. Zack Martin
12:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Science is a learning process; we discover, we evaluate, we learn. The Big Bang is currently recognised as the most viable explanation for the origin of the universe, an alternative to the creation stories found in numerous religions, which is based on evidence, not a belief system. I'm afraid religion doesn't change as civilisation advances. Sure, many religions are full of people who no longer stone people to death for having sex with a man, or chop your hands off for stealing an apple, but this kind of crap remains a part of various religions. Genesis hasn't been taken out of the Old Testament. It's still punishable by death to have gay sex in most of the Middle East. I know nothing about anthropology or its history so can't successful argue with you on that topic. SJ Debaser 14:09, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Depends on what you mean by science. Anthropology is not a physical science, but it is commonly considered a social science. If we go back to the original meaning of science, then all -logies were originally considered "sciences", including theology and astrology — it is only in more recent histories, that the term "science" (and its cognates) has evolved to exclude those disciplines. Zack Martin
So you think only religion is evil and atheism is there fore perfect? Where did the primary nuclease come from? If it repetitively came from universes before this one then how did it get there to happen the first time?
- I don't know how you came to that conclusion from my comments. In any case, I don't believe that's true. Religion works for some people and not for others. What religion people adhere to is no more my business than how regularly they take a crap, what shampoo they use, or who they're currently having sex with. I don't pretend to be an expert on evolutionary biology, or chemistry (in fact I know nothing about them above a high school education) but as I understand it the first living cells arose from DNA in water, which was allowed to happen because our plant exists in a place in a Solar System that is life friendly and ideal for the evolution of life. I'm unfamiliar with a theory of organisms "repetitively coming from universes before this one". That regressive argument (whatever the hell it is) can be turned round and applied to the Creator himself. Where did God from? What was He doing before creating the world? If I was God I probably wouldn't create the world, I'd just invent an Xbox and spend all day playing Grand Theft Auto and eating pop tarts and doing lines of cocaine off prostitutes navels. I'd be God, I could do whatever I wanted. SJ Debaser 14:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- OK, you type four tilde (~) at the end of your post to sign it. On a US keyboard, tilde is to the left of the number 1, but you have to hold down the shift key to type it. Give it a try. Four in a row at the end of your post make a signature. As to the rest of your said, I actually asked you what you believe, so far you've just given me a list of things you don't believe. Zack Martin
12:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Cummon guys:
--BobSpring is sprung! 14:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Great. We fed him, and now he's not going away. Good job, guys! -- DasRationalpersone
(Annoy me!) 18:59, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Bows. Why thank you. I'm quite proud of my job at the RW zoo, as anti-woman troll freeder. --
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 19:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Bows. Why thank you. I'm quite proud of my job at the RW zoo, as anti-woman troll freeder. --
- Great. We fed him, and now he's not going away. Good job, guys! -- DasRationalpersone
- Cummon guys:
Hating Feminism douse not make you a Misogynist any more then hating Al-Qaeda makes you Islamophobic. — Unsigned, by: 203.206.17.196 / talk / contribs
- Cept when you call your local Mosque a "trainging center" and the local imam a player in al-qaeda. Corrina corrina. Where you been so long....
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 03:54, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
The Youtube user feministfrequency claims that she believes in equality, but all she douse is blame the entire male population for women's oppression and inplies that only women can be victums of sexism and men are expendable. Buy the way how do you get into the signing page?
- Use the button at the top right of the page above the search bar that says, "Log in/create an account". SJ Debaser 12:07, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry but just because you are a male writer doesn't make you a misogynistic oppressor despite what you believe. The real reason why you criticise most of the stories is because they where written by men regardless if there is more then just the token girl and there are strong and independent or not. Believe me, the Machine World is just another simulation in which you use to particulate hatred. You say that in allot of fiction that sexism doesn't exist, why do you complain because you want it to.