Talk:White supremacy

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White people are frustrated with blacks because they are far more prone to violent behavior. It naturally follows that people who dont need violence appear much better. The benefits to being less violent are obvious to people constructively engaged in life. Its a no brainer. It isnt a no brainer to violent repeat offenders, blacks, who fill up 50% of the US prison population. The same problem exists abroad in SouthAfrica were oppression of blacks (in response to the terrorist Nelson Mendella) was hampered onlt to see the Worlds largest ongoing crime problem. How can a society full of violent people thrive? It can't which is why inner cities are mostly black and full of crime. Violence isnt necessary and disrupts civilization which is why it ocurrs. By making everyone in a worse plwce then one can't make the distinction between those who are civilized and those who are not. True pride is a foregone conclusion not a marketing pitch.— Unsigned, by: 173.66.99.106 / talk / contribs

Another metapedian?RandonGeneration (talk) 02:01, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
When talking about "No Brainers" it is wise to not misspell people's names, or use very bad grammar and syntax --Revolverman (talk) 02:12, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
You know, I love all of these racists who connect ethnicity or even just skin color (which really doesn't indicate one's 'race' at all) to crime and poverty. Seriously, forbid having to entertain the idea that just because two traits occur in frequency together that one didn't cause the other. ±Knightoftldrsig.pngKnightOfTL;DRjust shut up already 02:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
But but but they are BLACK. isn't that enough to condemn them? *rolls eyes* --Green mowse.pngGodotFire! Fire! Fire! (please send spare firefighters) 03:09, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
A hundred or so years ago it was also the Irish and the Italians. I really love how people magically become 'smarter' and less 'biologically destined for criminal behavior' once some other ethnicity becomes the focal example of ethnic minority. While they're certainly not out of the land of discrimination yet, the Race/Immigrant Invasion Panic is stuck on 'black' (regardless of actual descent or origin!) people and people of Latin descent. I have some vague Mexican roots in my family and a Mexican surname despite a lack of resemblance or ties to the ethnic profile. I tell you, those who hear my name before seeing my face treat me very differently from those who see me face to face. Not to mention the targeted solicitation calls in Spanish, or the insulting spam mail trying to make me sign up for scam fake dental insurance for the undocumented. I've never heard of those with Irish or Italian descent now getting anything like that, and my town is primarily made of such individuals: descendants from immigrants that settled in Boston and learned trades, and eventually left to the suburbs when such things began to exist. ±Knightoftldrsig.pngKnightOfTL;DRmore at 11 03:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Some of the only remnants of those minorities former bad reps exist in the Italian Thug/Mobster stereotype (very similar to the Black Thug/Gangster stereotype, those in poverty or those oppressed are more likely to turn to crime than someone who has other means of supporting themselves. The actions of real criminals become connected to their race.) and in the Stupid Drunk Irishman stereotype. ±Knightoftldrsig.pngKnightOfTL;DRjust shut up already 03:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
An anecdote about old-fashioned ethnic stereotypes. One time in a history class, I was shown a World War I-era graph that supposedly ranked various ethnic groups in the U.S. by "criminality" (the proportion of their members that were criminals). The Irish had the highest ranking, but for the lowest ranking the WASPs came in second to the Germans, which I thought very strange, given the anti-German sentiment prevailing at the time. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 03:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


[edit] Missing what point?

What is wrong with "Alternatively, as a person of roughly equal Black and White ancestry, Barack Obama can be considered to be equally justified in pride in both the achievement of his Black ancestors (Black pride), and also the achievements of his White ancestors (White pride)." I consider it a perfectly cromulent addition. The central claim "Blackness is defined by possession of black heritage, whereas whiteness is defined not by possession of white heritage, but by NOT possessing non-white heritage" is demonstrably false. I think "blackness" and "whiteness" are both broad terms which each is free to use as they feel fit. I have no problem with a person of any degree of white heritage identifying as white, nor a person of any degree of black heritage identifying as black, if that is how they choose to identify - or even identifying as both simultaneously. Others, of course, are not necessarily bound to agree with those identifications. I take it there is an allusion being made to the "one-drop rule"; but the one-drop rule is just plain stupid, and one can love the white race yet consider the one drop rule to be pure malarkey. I love the white race (talk) 10:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Cromulent indeed. Thanks's for the winking smiley. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 10:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Just because I love the white race, does not mean I cannot be a fan of the Simpsons, or have a certain degree of playfulness in my discourse. I love the white race (talk) 10:58, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
The other problem is that race is largely defined by "other" rather than self, despite people trying to reclaim that. A person "of color" who looks mostly white, but slightly "off white", saying "i'm white" will be taken with distrust by the white community. a person 50/50 who clearly looks darker and "cannot pass for white" will be dismissed fully if they say "I am white". Obama would sound silly calling himself white, in our white culture, for all he is equally white/black. do you remember the hell a young tiger woods had, tryign to say "I am not black. i am 1/4 black, but the majority of me is asian'. no one said "oh, then you are teh first asian to play that this tournement. they said he is the first african american to play. even when that was NOT the lable he wanted for himself".Green mowse.pngGodot The ablity to breath is such an overrated ability 22:23, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia

− I tried adding the argument about the non-equivalence of defining white and black people (a paraphrase of the argument in this article) to the Wikipedia page on "White pride" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride - but it got removed again as "unsourced". Does anyone know of a "reliable reference" (other than common sense) for this argument? --Yisfidri (talk) 21:44, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Citations needed

Does Rationalwiki have no standards? A biased, crude, extremely poorly researched article written at a 6th grader's level is passable around here? For example you claim that WS is based on 19th century pseudoscience, yet ignore the hundreds of contemporary studies confirming again and again that, there are indeed racial differences in mental faculties. James Watson, the co-discoverer of DNA claims so as well, but I guess he's just an uneducated bigot who needs to read a book, right? Having the word "Rational" in your domain name is truly a disgrace to the word. — Unsigned, by: 178.40.88.210 / talk / contribs

Drink! The RationalWiki mob is well aware of Watson's idiosyncrasies. There is such a thing as an educated bigot. See Nobel disease. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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