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Protest against Russian

I mean this, this and this. What do you think? I think that or it needs a new domain, or I must to leave this project (previously saving all the articles).

Bertran (talk)00:12, 21 March 2011

It seems I am the only one who thinks the whole idea of having foreign languages alongside English in this wiki is a bad idea so I wouldn't worry about it being ended totally. However I think there are certainly concerns from many if all this entails is the wholesale copying of other sites material and translating it into Russian. Perhaps you could work on translating some of our more important articles - Poes law for instance - which is more in keeping with the spirit of this site

DamoHi01:00, 21 March 2011
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My interest is dedicated only to some topics considered by RW, but not total (as, perhaps, an interest of all editors of this site). However, by asking some user and from my own initiation, I have almost literally and literally translated some of articles such as Christianity, RationalWiki, Creationism etc. Furthermore, EvoWiki can not be called "other site" and information in TalkOrigins is very close to content of EvoWiki.

Bertran (talk)01:39, 21 March 2011

Let him translate what he wants to translate. We're lucky to have him. Jesus Christ.

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk01:51, 21 March 2011
 

Considering EvoWiki is part of the RWF, and we have this. If we are porting over content from EvoWiki, why not translate it?

ТyTalk.01:54, 21 March 2011

Probably, it could be better to stop now and to wait the solution of mentioned above dilemma. Because problems like this will arise from time to time and I do not want to return to this discussion again and again.

Bertran (talk)12:32, 21 March 2011

I agree with both Tyrannis and Nutty here. There is nothing I can see that Bertran is doing wrong. In fact, I welcome his translation project with open arms.

Maybe, it would be better to make voting among the editors of RW pro or contra Russian section. And, of course, to make a separate domain.

Bertran (talk)14:40, 21 March 2011

Well you get my vote.

Jack Hughes (talk)14:50, 21 March 2011

I'm with everyone else who fears what they can't read. We need to put a stop to this ridiculous multiculturalism.

Occasionaluse (talk)14:57, 21 March 2011

"Ridiculous multiculturalism"? Very interesting... But if you think so, let it be.

Bertran (talk)15:10, 21 March 2011

Ignore OccasionalUse. He's an entirely different kind of person. Entirely.

I agree, let the project stay. In any event, I seem to recall us having exactly the same discussion before Bertran started and it was given the go-ahead then. At the end of the day, even if he is writing 'RW are a bunch of chicken fucking chumps' who's going to laugh at us, except some Ruskies.

Viva multiculturism viva!

PsyGremlinZungumza!15:18, 21 March 2011

Sorry, Bertran, I thought you knew!

Occasionaluse (talk)15:25, 21 March 2011
 
  • cough*googletranslator*cough*

But seriously, if people have any issue with it on the grounds that they can't read Russian or can't verify it, the online translators are good enough to check that. As it happens, I've checked a few (paranoia) and found them to be perfectly fine. The project is a great idea and I think the project is more than worth continuing.

Scarlet A.pngmoral22:18, 21 March 2011

This problem is very significant that almost all of you (editors of RW) cannot check me. Of course, if somebody would claim that Russian articles contains a bullshit about RW and its editors, it would be very hard to disprove him. So, you must to trust me if you want to have a Russian section. But are you really able to do this? Seemly, everyone have specific answer to this question. And I don't now, what could be my decision, if, supposing, I am an administrator of some wiki and somebody wants to develop a Chinese section. Indeed, I don't understand Chinese at all, but, on the other hand, I must to check all, that have been written. Suppose, I trust this Chinese myself, but wiki is not a project of one man, it is a collective work and I must to explain, why do I trust him. Of course, his declarations that his work is consistent with the main goals is not enough: there will leave too much questions. And it will be not persuasively for others.

This problems seeming unsolvable at this time. So, I am very close now to living the project (at least, to stop developing a Russian section). When my decision will be a final, I'll claim this aside on my user page and on my talkpage. As it seems, "Russian RW" will continue its development at a free wiki-site. Maybe, in the future, if I'll develop it, we can share interwikies between similar articles of our projects. I think it would be the best way.

Bertran (talk)23:10, 21 March 2011
 

Nevertheless, I want to say a few words about "paranoia". It would be very strange to write in Russian negative things about English articles. Who could be interest of this and read this? Firstly, RW is almost unknown among people of former-USSR. Secondary these people, even they know English, will better read and critique some similar Russian sites, because English is not a native language and almost all of them speak in English very bad. Through, maybe, this "compromising information" could be interesting for Russian and Ukrainian diasporas in US. So, there is some reason in this.

Bertran (talk)23:26, 21 March 2011

I wouldn't worry about that too much. This place doesn't take itself too seriously and even if you do write something that is offensive to us, if we can't read it we won't know/care. Anyway we can get an approximation of the meaning using google translate.

I still don't think the project is a good idea, but then I appear to be in a minority of 1. Don't stop on account of me.

DamoHi23:35, 21 March 2011
  1. I made my decision not because of your person, but because of your reasonable arguments.
  2. You are not alone. And it is obvious that will come some others.
Bertran (talk)00:23, 25 March 2011