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[edit] Chomsky is probably a moonbat and, given the U.S. political spectrum, possibly even an extreme moonbat, but not because of genocide denial

Hi Arisboch, I noticed you added Noam Chomsky to the extreme moonbattery category, and considered reverting it. I decided against it because Chomsky is very left wing in the context of U.S. politics, but he's not a genocide denialist:
Chomsky doesn't deny that the massacres in Bosnia were real, or their scope. He does, however, object to rhetorically placing these atrocities on a par with the Holocaust by calling them genocide. I personally think Chomsky is wrong and that his profession as a linguist blinds him to the judicial definition of and aspects involved employing the term genocide. However, calling him a genocide denialist is simply missing the point of his objections. ScepticWombat (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Refusing to call these massacres genocide is not much different from genocide denial, it's genocide minimization, using the Shoa victims to minimize other massacres. That's the "Not as bad as" fallacy right here!--Arisboch (talk) 17:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Attention-getting ban

However strongly you feel about Chomsky, you don't have consensus. If you can't convince other editors, or find other editors prepared to agree with you, step away from it. Queexchthonic murmurings 11:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Which will be rather difficult because of Chomsky's popularity here (not radical enough to significantly piss off the moderates here), especially among those with admin right (wink wink, nudge nudge).--Arisboch (talk) 11:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I have no brief for him. He doesn't have much of a profile here in the UK. You've just failed to make enough of a case for your position. And flirting with conspiracy theories of your own just makes you look stupid. Queexchthonic murmurings
Popularity does not equal conspiracy. I never said even a word about the latter.--Arisboch (talk) 11:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Then what was the point of "(wink wink, nudge nudge)"? As any fule kno, the correct form is "nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!". Queexchthonic murmurings 11:39, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
As I've already pointed out, I think that Chomsky's sophistry is a crap argument for not calling the Armenian Genocide, well, a genocide, since it clearly fits the generally accepted legal definitions and I don't buy the "watering down of the Holocaust"-logic behind not doing so. I simply disagree that this rhetorical tomfoolery constitutes genocide denial. When it comes to Khmer Rouge Cambodia, there's a problem in that while that scale certainly fits (or even exceeds, especially "victims per capita") other examples, the victims were not chosen on the basis of the criteria cited by the legal definitions of genocide, but instead due to their socio-economic status.
I'm not even a fan of Chomsky's knee-jerk "blame the West/U.S."-arguments, but I think that's all the more reason not to unfairly straw man him as a genocide denialist based on an extremely broad definition of the term, let alone use this as a case for lumping Chomsky in with the (other?) extreme moonbats on RW. I think that there may actually be good reasons to put Chomsky in this category (e.g. the tendency to blame "evulz U.S." for every ill in the world), but then why use the rather problematic allegation of genocide denial? ScepticWombat (talk) 12:06, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Chomsky is not popular on RationalWiki. You are mistaken. --Castaigne (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  • snort* You read the talk page on his article and that he really was added to the Inversed Stopped Clock list? --Arisboch (talk) 18:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Edit-warring.

There is no consensus on the Chomsky page for adding that category, and yet you insist in repeatedly adding it. That is edit-warring, and it is contrary to the community guidelines. Please stop. Thanks. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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