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Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 04:28, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Nice work

Thanks. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 04:47, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic Cleansing

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Geneva IV is binding on its signatories, so by your interpretation, Israel is in violation. You take a bizarre definition of occupied, but whatever. Individual settlers are not so bound, save as domestic authorities bind them. When Israel fails to uphold its obligations, that does not mean its citizens are also criminals on account of where they live. PacWalker 06:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

The Rome Stature of the International Criminal Court defines settlements as war crimes. Settlers, as a matter of choice, have chosen to enter a war zone. Under the UN Charter, international law also makes it clear that it is inadmissible to acquire territory in the event of a war and because the settlements (especially those behind the West Bank Barrier that will likely be illegally annexed) are de-facto annexed by being built on private Palestinian property (some 40% according to Peace Now or B'tSelem I believe). As far as why I do not consider it ethnic cleansing to withdraw the settlers, keep in mind that those settlements are mostly declared military zones, with the settlements in East Jerusalem being called null and void by UN Resolutions. Because the UN General Assembly Resolutions call on Israel to withdraw its military from all the territories since acquiring territory by war is forbidden (which is being broken through the acquiring of territory by building settlements) and does not recognize the legality of settlements, then it is reasonable to assume that withdrawing settlers who live in military zones counts as part of military withdrawal. I think it would be foolish to call something ethnic cleansing when it goes in accord with international law, as well as the entire world who votes in favor of these UN Resolutions (165 countries to be exact save for 7 countries: the US, Israel, Canada, Palau, Nauru, Micronesia, Marshall Islands), If that were the case, the UN, the human rights organizations, the Red Cross, and every other country save Israel would be guilty of approving ethnic cleansing, and that is just simply not a realistic assessment. ChrisAmiss
Do you propose that the settlers are individually war criminals? (no) Do you propose that removing people from their homes en masse on the basis of nationality is not ethnic cleansing? (no) PacWalker 07:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
I will be frank enough to say they are complicit and in some cases could be considered war criminals by displacing Palestinians/engaging in price tag attacks, and the United Nations does not differ from my position by proposing the same thing with the withdrawal of settlers. On the surface, it's politically correct to say they are being removed from their homes. Keep in mind however that they are heavily subsidized to live in the settlements at low cost, and could easily be subsidized to live in areas in Israel proper as well. And this still does not negate that the building of settlements is itself a taking away of private Palestinian property. Let's not reverse the role of colonizer and colonized. Would it be accurate to say that you are engaging in ethnic cleansing the people who are colonizing you? That seems to me switching the role of perpetrator and victim. Would we call it ethnic cleansing for people to show resistance to German colonization or White colonization in the indigenous Americas? Consider: "Israel must, in compliance with article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, cease all settlement activities without preconditions. It must immediately initiate a process of withdrawal of all settlers from the OPT (occupied Palestinian territories). These violations are all interrelated, forming part of an overall pattern of breaches that are characterized principally by the denial of the right to self-determination and systemic discrimination against the Palestinian people which occur on a daily basis." Source: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/31/16789933-un-panels-report-israel-must-withdraw-all-settlers-from-west-bank ChrisAmiss 07:53, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page comments

Hi. Talk pages are property of the wiki and may not be deleted. Feel free to start an archive when the page gets unwieldy. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 13:37, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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