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Hi! I just wanted to thank you for the welcoming message, and to suggest that the reason you don't like alcohol is that you have never tried any of my home brew. I hope this works..... FriendlyScientist (talk) 09:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

FriendlyScientist meant to add this to your talk page, but seems to have gotten confused by the archive function. I fixed it. Wehpudicabok [話] [変] [留] 10:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Sig fixing

You know, if you just save the page again (at any section) it fixes itself automatically. It's a pretty weird bug. Peter mqzp 08:07, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Huh. I didn't know that. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 08:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Hopefully David will fix it soon, but in the meantime we will have to tolerate the weirdness. Peter mqzp 08:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you were right

A little while ago, you made mention that my talk page seemed close to reaching a crackpot singularity. I think you may be right, as I've attracted yet another! Sigh. - Grant (Talk) 04:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Your mistake was admitting you're an expert in something. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 15:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
The frustrating part is that I'm not really an expert. Most of this is just undergraduate-level physics we're talking about here, and anyone claiming to have a physics degree should be well aware of this stuff. I suppose that's why they're cranks. - Grant (Talk) 17:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Ah, the strange and mystical bachelor's degree. It is believed to contain the key to basic competence in a broad field, mystifying and eluding cranks to this day. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 18:30, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
So it seems! As of yet, no cranks have settled on the areas in which I have greater expertise due to my graduate research. How unfortunate. - Grant (Talk) 18:39, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
"How fortunate." Fixed that for you. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 06:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, you know... the quality of a bachelor degree physics students' detail of knowledge varies with grade, location and time spent outside the field of physics after obtaining said degree. Nullahnung (talk) 06:48, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Radical activity in San Francisco

Re: your recent remarks about how radicalism has largely vanished from the San Francisco scene, we are informed by way of The Observer that the radicals in that area disrespectfully disagree. They have recently been raising such a ruckus that it is now getting coverage outside of the pinko press (which started reporting on it as soon as it started) — blocking the movement of buses, smashing windows, and employing Redwatch-style tactics against a particular local who is doing work of which they disapprove. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

A single smashed window does not equal a hotbed radicalism, anymore than the recent theft of my parents' care makes their town a hotbed of crime. (And in the very least I remain half right.) (Also, housing would be affordable if the NIMBYs fucking shut up and allowed mid-rise apartments instead of mandating single-family low-rise houses everywhere. But NOOO MY PRECIOUS SINGLE-STORY BUNGALOWS.) Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 05:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
But it is not "a single smashed window;" it is a campaign of sufficient size to make the media and politicians sit up and pay attention.
And at the very least I remain half right. I did not at any time dispute your economic assessment of the San Francisco area — the tech boom there being, after all, one cause of these protest actions — but are you implying that it is impossible for a city to be a hotbed of radicalism and an economic power-house? Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 06:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Not at all. But I dispute that this is "radicalism" in any meaningful sense. There's nothing radical about general resentment and protests against something, even if it gets in the papers. Their message and goals are about as radical as an AARP pamphlet. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 15:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
An interesting assertion. Let us examine the message and goals of the protesters in question:
  • The anarchists who used the Redwatch tactics were advancing the message that their target was furthering the demonic agenda of the Big Nasty Corporate-Military Complex by developing technology that could, in some hypothetical future scenario, be used by the army; they set out goals involving petty theft, smashy-smashy, revolution, etc.
  • The group responsible for smashing the bus window put forth a manifesto expressing the goal of fighting against the capitalist system, which they believe is to blame if, i.a., your landlord neglects to repair your toilet.
  • Even the ringleader quoted in The Observer (who, being on the moderate end of the movement, naturally does not condone the aggressive flyers), has put forth a personal message to the effect that thought is now obligatory on account of the oppressions of capitalist imperialism.
  • This ringleader's protest organization, the "Heart of the City Collective," was concerned that their actions and message were being taken out of context by the press. Certainly The Observer did not disclose the reasons why the organization is tilting against gentrification, but the organization has helpfully clarified their position; after lambasting Google for being so sick as to maintain that "capitalistic" and "not evil" belong in the same sentence, they stated that their goal involves "stopping capitalist exploitation in its tracks."
I was under the impression that the AARP's goals ran more toward opposing single-payer health care than deconstructing systems of dispossession in postcolonial and postnational contexts. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 07:24, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Amusing as their fretting about "war robots" is, I find it hard to get as worked up about "radicalism" as you are. We're not in the Soviet Union, we don't have a gulag. This stuff is no crazier than my local alternative paper and no more damaging than a football riot. Talk is cheap, and so are windows. Call me when the beheadings actually start. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 13:10, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
I strongly suspect that you would be whistling a different tune if these radicals were on the opposite end of the spectrum and smashing your windows. Those things cost hundreds of dollars apiece.
It does not do at all to ignore radicals until heads begin to roll. Radicals are much more successful when people ignore them than when those of cooler temperament listen to them and address any legitimate issues that they raise, thus isolating them from any broad support and leaving them to rant and rave to themselves about the rottenness of the Big Evil System. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 08:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Board nomination

I have nominated you for the RationalMedia Foundation Board of Trustees. Please go here to accept or decline the nomination. Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 09:38, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

    • Reference your editing on page - User talk:Sophie Wilder. Thanks for your guidance and good wording for encouraging me. I wish your success in the BoT. Nannadeem (talk) 07:57, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Another hello, this time from someone else

Thank you for the kind welcome! I don't like coffee or alcohol either, and don't actively seek out to consume dark chocolate, but if you ever manage to somehow end up in Vienna, you should try a piece of original Sacher Torte, which is an awesome cocao cake with dark chocolate icing: link Bismarck (talk) 19:20, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! And that does look delicious. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 23:15, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Used to live in Vienna, tried many Sacher Tortes. In my opinion and experience, they're always dry as fuck except for the middle part, and are often made from substandard chocolate, but then I guess I'm not really a cake-y kind of guy. Impurity is the secret Unite with thy oracle Dolan.png 12:10, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
A certain dryness is to be expected, since this is not a cream cake, but "dry as fuck" would be an overstatement. The obligatory dash of whipped cream usually serves to alleviate the occasional dryness. Some variations of the recipe aren't dry at all. Bismarck (talk) 11:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Meh, I guess. By the way, I know you don't like alcohol, but you totally need to try this awesome Portuguese liquor called Ginja. It's made out of cherries, and is popular in a few little villages, like Obidòs. It's beautiful and rich- bit the best part is that it's served in these little dark chocolate cups. So, yeah, just try it. Impurity is the secret Unite with thy oracle Dolan.png 12:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


Hey. So, I remember you mentioned something about you and a couple of other RWikians having Tumblr blogs. Would you mind linking me to some? Thanks. MESSIAH OF DOOM Deserved doom shall be unto you Dolan.png 03:03, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Friggin signature. MESSIAH OF DOOM Deserved doom shall be unto you Dolan.png 03:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I've refrained from sharing them because I don't know if they're comfortable with other RWians knowing about their blogs. There's some pretty personal stuff on them. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 05:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I understand. Sorry, just thought that they would have talked about scepticism and shit. Oh, and sorry to sound like a creep, but would you mind asking? Thanks. MESSIAH OF DOOM Impurity is the secret Dolan.png 11:50, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

First world problems

I restored it. This was an article requested by another user, and I really don't think my text strays all that far from the definitions I've found so far. This is a wiki, and I expect that any text I add to mainspace will be edited by people with other opinions; if what I've written in that little stub is that wrong, be my guest. Go ahead and propose it for deletion if you will; we now have a ritual for that, even. I do think it ought to merit some discussion, at minimum. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 05:14, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, gone are the days of unilateral deletions... I'll let it be.
I would remind you, however, that practically anyone can add to the suggested articles list. Just because it's on there doesn't mean we should have it, and citing it is a poor defense. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 05:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
A poor defense is better than none. It seemed similar enough to many articles we already have that it was worth a start. I'm willing to wait for wherever the wind blows it. User:TheSocktor requested it in fairly obvious good faith. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 06:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me, Señor Misanthrope

On your userpage, one of the thingies says "articles I've worked on". This wrong grammar because it ends a sentence with a preposition, and that kind of annoys me- would you mind changing it to "Articles on which I've worked"? Thank you. (talk) 12:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

That not wrong grammar. That acceptable grammar. ŴêâŝêîôîďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel
It's idiomatic, byotch. English ain't Latin. BoN 124 needs to drop the Procrustean pedantry. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 13:39, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Your grammar Nazism is no match for my grammar communism. We're here to take back our language from you filthy bourgeoisie! Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 01:50, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Speaking about grammar... I took a long time arguing with someone (see the talk page for his/her user page and the edit history for black belt magazine) because I wanted to have my preferred version "a number of are" as opposed to his/her preferred "a number of is", and I gave in in the end. But here you are, just casually changing it back to "are". I couldn't help laughing a little. Nullahnung (talk) 10:50, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hm. Technically, "a number of is" is correct, because the "is" refers to "a number", which is in singular. But I'd say "are", too; that seems to be more common. Octo8 (talk) 10:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I see you have been assimilated...

...into the MMT hivemind. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:38, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Yup!  :-) Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 03:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


Long time, no talk, talk, talk. How have you been doing man? Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 08:53, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Pretty good. Chugging through school, slow but steady. How's school going for you? You mentioned you're going for a mathematics degree. Are you trying to outnerd us all?  :-) Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 09:22, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Or something, yes. It's weird, I decided about a year ago that I really love math and was ranting to a friend of mine about how, back in the day, I used to hear kids say in high school, "When am I ever going to use this?" That led to me saying that I do things like trigonometry, algebra and calculus so damn often that I can do them in my head, Which lead, in turn, to my friend saying, "Then why don't you have a degree in math??" This made me decide that, since I need a Master's degree anyways, that a good place to pursue one would be in math. Thus, we reach that as a destination. Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 09:32, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I should also add that I realized that something academic like math was the last defense I had against my employer wanting me to move up the management ladder. Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 09:35, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


Say, could you check your email or send me another one I can use or another way to communicate. Thanks. Sterile (talk) 08:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Apologies. Apparently I screwed up one of my email filters and it started tagging everything even vaguely RW-related to skip my inbox. I've been missing emails from like half my contacts for *checks archive* WOW two months.
(The filter is deleted now.) Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 18:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup of racial realism

I can't edit the page, which still has a minor hiccup where it says "just one objectively and biologically [valid] way of dividing" after your recent copy edit. Thanks for your attention. Flux gate gamma (talk) 18:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I missed that. It's fixed now. Thanks for pointing that out! Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 18:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


So, have you received an important missive recently? Also, congratulations on your brand new wiki. I hope you keep it clean and use it wisely. :D --ZooGuard (talk) 17:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, David Gerard shared that link with me. When they emailed me I turned them down as gently as a could. The purpose of the RationalMedia Foundation is not to partner with or promote alternative currencies. Also, opening a Feathercoin account, then registering with CoinMkt just to exchange it for useful currency is a lot of hoops to jump through for a donation.
I was briefly tempted by the idea of accepting whatever cryptocurrencies people feel like throwing at us, so I could treat them like penny stocks and get practical experience with stock accounting (ooh, I could create an index fund of cryptocurrencies! Why invest in one fad when you can invest in an average of several fads? :-) ). But I dismissed the idea because it'd be extraordinarily inappropriate to treat Foundation assets like my own personal play money pile. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 02:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


Your presence is requested for some paleocon larnin'. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Could you help me with my recent batch of reverted edits? I need the support of others.

Just thought I'd say goodbye to you, as you were nice in greeting me. You were right about this place being melodramatic. I don't suppose you would be willing to revert Watcher in the Dark's and Weasaloid's reversions of some of my edits? Not all of it's from Wikipedia, and a simple wpa would suffice, I did do some basic rewording like in an English paper. It's difficult coming up with a new way to describe how the big bang worked when every other word has to be a technical detail.

Thanks again, there's a chicken coop discussion if you'd be kind enough to defend me in my hour of need, you're under no obligation to do so. Exiled Encyclopedist (talk) 15:29, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

A couple of questions about this whole Brx thing

I know it's not really any of my business, and I really don't care all that much, but I do have a couple of questions out of curiosity. When the new Board comes in, if they say "nope unblock Brx", would they have the authority to do so? Additionally, would it not make sense, both for the sake of maintaining this, and also for Brx himself, to block his socks? Like, I mean, if block evasion is verboten, it would kinda make sense to get rid of his means of doing so, but anyway. Finally, would it be counted as evasion if he communicated with another user via email or something, who then goes to communicate the message on the wiki? I mean, I highly doubt it, but just checking. Anyway, sorry to bother you. Not JAQing off, just legitimately curious. THE GREAT RIGHTEØUS DESTRØYER Dark seas of endless pain…Dolan.png 06:07, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Like, you get ignored because, like, I mean, you sound like a 14 year old stoner. It doesn't help that you "really don't care all that much". How very respectful. Brxbrx's block was supported by the board, but was not a board decision. People here conflate the board with the corporation for some reason. I suppose a new board could intervene but it's not in the nature of what directors do. Their responsibility is generally to supervise the officers, who handle the operations. You could have looked, but you "really don't care all that much". If Brxbrx attempts to use sockpuppets we're aware of, we'll block them and extend the block on his main account by incrementally longer and longer amounts. Emails? Brxbrx has been sending dozens and dozens of them. The ones I've seen are so pathetic they made me sad. You relaying a message is on you, not him, but you "really don't care all that much" anyway so why bother.Nutty Roux (talk) 15:03, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. However, if you could potentially be less hostile, I would very much appreciate it. Also, I apologise if I came across as disrespectful by saying that I didn't care- I just meant that I was not going to make an issue over the decision, as it did not particularly concern me. Additionally, I did not receive any emails from Brx- it was just, like I said, out of curiosity. GØØBY PLS Dancing on the corpses' ashesDolan.png 02:06, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
It's too hard not to lament that RationalWiki "just happened to be here" when you were looking up "porn or something", so I won't try stopping. Nutty Roux (talk) 16:14, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Sure thing. MESSIAH OF DOOM It's quite an irregular place to be, but never fear, you're safe with meDolan.png 05:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

2017 Vintage Mayonnaise

A fine Mayonnaise takes time for the bouquet to fully enrich the final product. The grocery store schlock will never be certified by the Académie Mayonnaisé. Mayo2017 (talk) 04:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


A footnote section longer than the main article? That deserves some sort of award! Still, it's much improved. MarmotHead (talk) 22:19, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! But I think my habit of including a quote of the relevant lines from a reference is starting to overwhelm things. It's okay for single sentences, but I'm quoting one to two-paragraph chunks. It makes the footnotes look gigantic and unpleasant to read.
I do it because I think it's nice to be able to immediately see the relevant part of a reference. It's not always fun skimming a 20-page PDF trying to find why, exactly, the previous editor thought it was worth including. Unfortunately, quoting relevant parts fails when the reference itself is comprehensive enough that you can cite it multiple times across different sections. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 01:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Could I get your review of Robot on its talk page?

Exiled Encyclopedist (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

David Gerard and TiaC's are edit civil warring over slavery

It's more than just an edit war at this point, Gerards been white washing Ryulongs Wikipedia page as well. To be honest I don't think there's enough unless Annonymous can find a clean version of Ryulongs wikipedia talk page. David Gerard also seems to doubt that the importance of understanding genetic engineering, and basically anything I do anymore. By clean I mean where he calls he a fucktard and it magically vanishes from the history; there looked to be someone who knew Ryulong who might be willing to talk, or hasn't had their contribution to Ryulongs page deleted from their user contributions yet. I doubt it, I'm not sure what anonymous could do but I know Dramatica hates David Gerard and would gladly help out just to see him out of power. I avoided writing for them for a reason, but they seem to be the closest thing to a hope I have, which is really sad. I'm so sorry I didn't screen capture this when I had the chance; next time I'll take a picture, it would shave saved me a thousand words and the pain of being an eye witness and wondering how real justice is. Exiled Encyclopedist (talk) 07:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit war over rape

Also, I think that IP that doesn't want to be a user is David Gerard; could you check IP? Exiled Encyclopedist (talk) 00:51, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

That whole board thing

Nominated. 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 02:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Dat active editors chart of yours

You still got the original Excel file? (Presuming Excel.) I wanna see best fit line. 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 01:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Sure. Do you have Dropbox, or do you want me to email it to you? Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 01:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I was going to start a new thread for this, but if there is one anyway... Is it possible to redo the calculation with a cut-off higher than 3 edits? LArron's RW:AU classifies editors as "active" if they had >1 edit per day, i.e. >30 per month.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
It's quite possible, but a bit time-consuming. I'm happy to do it if you want. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 13:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I would like to see it at least for the last year (January 2014 - present). That must take less time than the full duration. You do use some kind of automation for that, don't you?--ZooGuard (talk) 13:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't have LArron's techno-wizardry, so I do it by hand. It doesn't take that long, really. Special:Editcount is a godsend, much better than the old days when I had to go to an individual user's contributions page and count the edits per month myself. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 13:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

You want proof?

This will officially be my place with which to post proof of what I say. The problem is tracking it all down. More to come as I comb through everywhere to find it.

Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 09:29, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps, I should remind you that you only pull this shit off because of position and seniority. Your bullshit is tiring, RNS. Quit abusing your power (The bot abuse comes to mind) , and get over yourself already.--Madman (talk) 09:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)The Madman
Thank you, Johnson, for proving my point in spades! Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 09:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
First example: that user only edited for 1 month before leaving. Are you even trying to find good examples, or just whatever you can dig up using the search function to hit every instance of "old guard" on the wiki? Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 09:41, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Because if you're going to be doing that, I suggest citing this essay which cites an unspecified "old guard" back in 2007! Definitely compelling evidence for unfair persecution of old timers  :-) Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 09:41, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Search function? You can do that? I've been doing this by hand and going through a fuckload of various pages. And that's before the screencaps that I have are uploaded. No fair cheating with this "search function." Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 09:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Now you're talking like a proper curmudgeon!  :-) Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 09:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Wait, you have screencaps?
...Oh my God, you've become me when I still bore my silly grudge against Human. Let me tell you, as someone who's been there: continuing this will only lead to pitiful displays of petty butthurt. I recommend signing out, purging all RW-related material from your computer, taking a break for several months, and getting the fuck over yourself. It's what I did, and it worked wonders. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 09:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Best fit

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