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Gamergate proposal

Hello there. I've made a prototype format of how I think the Gamergate article could be organized so that it would take care of some of the major problems the article has (disorganized, hard to follow). Take a look and see if you like it. This proposal superceeds my earlier thoughts about chopping it up, as I maintain that the article's length is not actually its problem; its disorganization is. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk)

Will take a look when I'm done tidying things on the article.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

On the GG article.

It's unbelievable how these people are treating the GG article. People who openly admit they don't understand anything about the subject trying to take a hatchet to the article until it matches their ignorance. Then they're accusing you of "owning" the article that you have actual experience with because you have been directly targeted by the group in question.

I mean, maybe they should read up on the subject they are trying to edit? I dunno, you've been way more patient with them than I would have been. Cykosys (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I am become meme, destroyer of worlds

Ryulong, they really hate you. Keep it up! but maybe keep it up on the timeline article ^_^" FuzzyDogPotato (talk/stalk) 00:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

But what about my SJWcoins?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:58, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Better?

User:FuzzyCatPotato/Gamergate. I think that a short history is all the article needs. (edit: The history in the article I wrote may be too short, and is, again, tentative) Then, rebuttals to gamergate claims. Does an index of GG claims, as presented on the article, a la talk.origins, seem reasonable? 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 01:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Short history makes sense but not like putting the long history onto its own separate pages.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Yep. Instead of having any longer history, I'm promoting the idea that we just spend the rest of the article showing how shitty GG is and debunking their claims in a categorical way. GG sez they don't dox? Here's 50 examples. Instead of the current layout, which is weaving a history. oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 03:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I was trying to fix that with my most recent edits, trying to combine similar topics rather than provide a chronology. It still helps to provide an indepth background but perhaps less of an ongoing narrative.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
It's worth making the article extremely explicit about what it's discussing. Shorten the history to 10 sections max. Then, have sections for "Doxxing", "Sexism", etc., and for debunking GG's claims, again. Very few people want the detailed history. (If they do, they have the Timeline.) Instead, they want evidence that incriminates GG as the horror it is. Optimize the page for that purpose. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 04:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The history section on the main page is workable. Just need to reorganize the rest of the page (although Sarkeesian going on Colbert is something we should mention as a turning point). I did cut out everything on Hatred and Revolution 60 as well as some other stuff over the last week.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

That alternate article structure

Is this a sufficient history? User:FuzzyCatPotato/GG Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 22:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

The history section in the main page is fine tbh. Just the rest of the page needs reorg.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
By main page, do you mean Gamergate or User:FuzzyCatPotato/GG? αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 00:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
*cough* oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 01:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Gamergate. Sorry. It's hard training sea lions even with my oceanography degree.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Ryulong, that history is incomprehensibly long, dense, and non-critical to the main point. Everyone but you and a few token others agrees. There is no rest of the page, since the history covers literally the entire page. (OK, 97%.) FuzzyCatTomato (talk/stalk) 02:08, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
I thought the main issue was the content in "Gamergate's inevitable decline" rather than the various events you seem to have cut out in regards to "Operation Chemo" and the "escalation" section.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Nearly 90% of content from the decline has been cut, and about 60% overall. My question is this: Does the history on that page present a sufficient introduction to the history of Gamergate? oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 02:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes I think it does. I'm simply interested where the TFYC shit is going to fit in with this new approach.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
It'd probably go in a few rebuttals. ("Quinn doxxed TFYC", "VJ proves GG isnt' sexist!" etc.) FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 15:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
I think the whole Operation Chemo narrative is somewhat important in some fashion to deserve some lengthier mention.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:07, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Add it to main history? ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 00:20, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Possibly. They're important to show how hypocritical and douchy they've been in regards to using Gamergate as a personal army/fund (as are several other people) but they're not important enough to give separate dedicated coverage to.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Are you RevDeleting your own edits?

Because if you are, explain yourself. --MtDNotorious Sodomite 06:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I realized I had made a mistake I don't want people to use against me as has been the case in the past.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Please, don't do that. Revision deletion isn't meant for burning the evidence. We aren't conservapedia. It is meant for potentially illegal or otherwise highly problematic material. I know your situation is special in that you're a target, but that's not gonna cut the mustard with regard to revision deletion. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 14:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
When a discussion here is currently hosted on know your meme in order to cut me down I am going to do what it takes to keep things clean.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but see, they're going to you exactly what we do to Ken. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
If people were memeing my discussions, and ED took a page out on me, I hope that I would take it as a sign that it might be time to step away from the keyboard and look at other venues for my efforts and energies. But that's just me. YMMV. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:28, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
They're not memeing my discussions. Know Your Meme is just Gamergate's walled garden because the moderation team there is shit.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:33, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, "You should maybe be quiet because gamergate is targetting you" is exactly the reaction gamergate is reaching for. Nonetheless, just remove(but not purge, please) anything you don't like anymore. They're going to lie about your motives regardless. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I just made a shit joke that I slightly modified in the next edit after I realized it wasn't what I wanted people to see after I hit save.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

"Yeah, "You should maybe be quiet because gamergate is targetting you" is exactly the reaction gamergate is reaching for." This presumes that writing about one aspect of misogyny on wikis and blogs and tweets is the only way to fight misogyny. You will note that I said "step away from the keyboard and look at other venues for my efforts and energies..." not "be quiet." I'm beginning to think your username is some sort of joke: this is like, the third time in as many days that I've pointed out your basic incomprehension of the meaning of a sentence. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Walking away to do 'other things' is still ceding the space (and part of your life) to them, though. It's a reasonable response to the problem of the shitlords getting to you, but not a reasonable response to this particular situation. Queexchthonic murmurings 18:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Silence is what they want.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I know that. But nobody is asking you to be silent. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
All I did was respond to FCP here and I made a joke I didn't like afterwards that I felt could be taken the wrong way if left in the wrong hands.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I think this is pretty insignificant, especially when compared to the abuse Ryulong's been subject to. Just don't do it in the future. ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 19:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I have undone your (Ryulong) most recent revision deletion. Unpleasant yes but it revealed nothing personal about you. Someone being cuntish towards you is not doxing. --MtDNotorious Sodomite 21:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

^This. Please stop using revision delete & other sysop abilities inappropriately & please stop trying to plead some sort of special status as an excuse for breaking community standards. Thanks. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 22:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
^This. I get that your desire to be a voice for Gamergate has brought you a lot of bad attention. And I think you'd have to agree that RW has done as much as it can to protect you from that attention when it follows you here. At the same time, RW was around before Gamergate, and it will be around long after Gamergate, and Gamergate is not what's going to make us change the way we keep our community running. Please respect our minimal standards while you're here. Thanks. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 22:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
My last action was to rev del a message someone else had already reverted from being here. It counts as inappropriate content. I don't need gators getting ideas.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Again: Please stop using revision delete & other sysop abilities inappropriately & please stop trying to plead some sort of special status as an excuse for breaking community standards. ŴêâŝêîôîďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 10:51, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Ryulong, if you don't what your mistakes to be used against you, perhaps you could try getting it right first time? BicyclewheelModerator 18:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Stop paying attention to it then for fucks sake.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:37, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
You probably shouldn't tell a lady who's been here pretty much since day one, and has done an amazing amount of the heavy lifting required to make this community what it is, what she should and shouldn't pay attention to. It's not much of an exaggeration to say this is pretty much Sophie's wiki. Read what I said above: RW was here before Gamergate, and will be here after Gamergate. We've gotten through much worse without compromising the 3 or 4 rules we have. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 23:52, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
If the whole purpose is to ignore what was said why is so much time and energy being put into telling me off for having removed it in the first place? That's what I'm getting at here.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

RationalWiki:Chicken coop

You brought this on yourself. --MtDNotorious Sodomite 21:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

No, I brought it upon him, and partially did so out of ignorance. And Jesus Christ, the fact that you're trying to guilt trip him over it isn't good. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 22:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Makes me wonder what his personal beef against Ryulong is. Probably time to start examining allegiances.--Castaigne (talk) 22:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the /r/kotakuinaction party? --Madman (talk) 03:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)The Madman

Your edits at the 8chan article

If you ask me, it's pretty damn noteworthy when 8chan fights against totalitarianism for once. And the image you deleted? It was proof of it. Couldn't you at least have asked me about the meaning of it before deleting it? --Norman (talk) 23:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

No. Some random new board is unimportant.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
One of the most visited boards on the website is unimportant, sure. Not convincing me. --Norman (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Go talk to the Daily Dot about it and then we'll see.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Also "most visited boards on the website", it's a fucking week old.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:08, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Norman, what are the chances that SJW is a troll? 99% or 100%? Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 00:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Gentlemen, please. Talk:8chan#/sjw/.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
What are the chances that CWC is a troll? If CWC can be legitimately stupid, than nolongersilenced can be, too. Besides, the reaction of the new hate machine of the internet is nevertheless noteworthy. --Norman (talk) 00:36, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
What does the creator of Sonichu have to do with Gamergate?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Is your reading comprehension that bad or are you deliberately doing this shit? FuzzyCatPotato said that nolongersilenced is definitely a troll. I pointed out that the same could be said about CWC, hence the argument doesn't cut it. That couldn't have been so hard for you to understand. --Norman (talk) 00:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Why do you have to bring him up at all?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
I already explained that to you. If you spent more time reading the stuff I write and less time trying to out-curse a possessed juvenile delinquent, maybe you would've realized that. --Norman (talk) 01:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
But you forgot to ask if I care.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Well, maybe that's because I don't care about your stupid, stupid opinion? --Norman (talk) 01:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
feels not reals right—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much for this constructive comment, Ryulong. Why exactly did your career on Wikipedia end, again? --Norman (talk) 01:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Because I didn't filter what I thought about bullshit ideas like yours and others and my participation on the Gamergate page was the perfect shit storm for people like you to remove me from Wikipedia because of my checkered history on the website and the fact that I pointed out in the 11th hour that assholes like you were planning on using the proposal that ArbCom in their massive myopia thought would solve problems by restricting me to a single revert on a page a day by flooding the articles completely unrelated to Gamergate with edits that I had for many years opposed due to the fact that they are not and never have been supported by reliable sources but that didn't stop the assholes on /m/ who think I'm responsible for every fucking shit translation out there by thinking I'm wrong and a cancer in the toku fandom. It really has absolutely nothing to do with any personal stance I may have on Gamergate or the fact that I think you're a complete tool. It more has to do with how I tried to make sure pages I was interested in were best updated and maintained in line with Wikipedia's various rules and regulations that got me into plenty of fucking stupid arguments over content where I opposed people who were just as stubborn and pigheaded as I was. You know. Like how you idiots still think Zoe Quinn had sex for a review from Nathan Grayson despite he never reviewed shit and only ever wrote "Depression Quest" twice in his career and that was never when he was sexually involved with her or that Anita Sarkeesian has somehow scammed people out of $100 grand because you think that she faked all the abuse sent to her for going "I want to talk about video games" and possessing ovaries.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Graysons first article listed fifty games. Only three were mentioned explicitly in the introduction, among them "Depression Quest". He had one screenshot in the article, one from "Depression Quest". The name of the article was "Admission Quest". His second article had Zoe Quinn as a central figure. It is proven he and Zoe were at the very least friends before the two articles were published, something he didn't disclose until after the shitstorm. These are facts. --Norman (talk) 11:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

This has now descended to "People in the games inudstry know each other." Shut up, Norman. The idiotic charges leveled by gamergate were unsubstantiated rumors. Almost completely unrelated charges later developed to excuse the previous slanderous ones don't bear much relevance at all. If you have a content dispute take it to an article talk page. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 13:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Proxy IP

This discussion was moved to RW:CC#Proxy IP. Cømrade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 22:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

did you issue a /16 rangeblock?

This discussion was moved to RW:CC#did you issue a /16 rangeblock?. Cømrade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 22:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I am going to give your rights back. But if you block outside of normal blocking procedure before that debate has had a few days to play itself out, I will be upset. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

But what about pi second blocks—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 22:50, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Those things you revdel'd

Erm... Last I knew, the coop had said that pointing folks to ED wasn't true doxxing, and comparing revisions over at shitheadland itself does not lead me to believe that anything has been added that would change that, so why did you revdel some troll? PacWalker 05:16, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't want links to my page available here.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:46, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay. When people covered here come blank their pages because they don't want criticism, or come and remove links to critical news coverage, do we nod happily and burn/salt/whatever those pages? "Do not like" is not a good enough excuse to hide revisions. PacWalker 07:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I do not want links to the article made about me on ED to be available on this website as it contains my dox. Am I clear now?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:00, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Those damn headless chickens decided it wasn't dox. Am I clear now? PacWalker 08:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Madman was saying "Hey go look at ED" not directly linking to my page there.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:49, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
The difference? One application of Google; one click. For those of us among the technologically literate, that's hardly different. PacWalker 08:52, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
An IP directly linking to the page to harass me is different from Madman Johnson being a cock.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
They're the same damn thing, except that one requires three seconds of additional effort for the reader. PacWalker 08:56, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Correction: MadmanJohnson didn't claim that the other wiki missed you, so he scores a couple points extra. Is that the difference? PacWalker 09:11, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Reading your link, they're not "deciding" any such thing: it's one person, Weaseloid claiming that a link to dox for purposes of harassment by doxing is somehow not doxing, and then the Coop failing to decide anything further on MadmanJohnson. Your cited evidence doesn't back your claim at all. Redeleting. We have people blatantly trying to harass an editor here; your motivation for enabling them, with spurious justifications that don't check out, eludes me - David Gerard (talk) 09:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I am not enabling them; I'd gladly undo their edits, but there's no need to burn the evidence. Also, you are willfully ignoring things or failing to read; Weaseloid was not the only one to say that, and the closure of the coop case without any action or even vote kind of says something. PacWalker 09:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
It clearly doesn't say at all what you claim it says - David Gerard (talk) 09:24, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
It shows that (a) we are were willing to punish actual doxxing and (b) we were not willing to punish this. Need I jump through the apparent logical hoops here? PacWalker 09:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC) (tense correction: 09:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC))
Wait, they aren't even that bad. If whatever we're calling doxxing will lead to punishment, and an act is noticed, discussed, and not punished, then it isn't doxxing. If A implies B, then not B implies not A. Damn them contrapositives. PacWalker 09:46, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
So, do you dispute (a) that we are and were willing and able to punish doxxing, (b) that Madman's pointing to ED was not punished as doxxing, despite being noticed, or (c) neither? Or (d) do I need to point you to a proof that any true conditional remains true after contraposition? PacWalker 10:17, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I think if you're asking questions with multiple layers of negation - to the point you literally just confused yourself with what your question was - you're trying way too hard to justify yourself. How about: 1. Is this blatant targeted harassment? 2. Is this in any way a good idea to encourage? And of course 3. Why the fuck are you looking so hard for a technicality to enable the harassment on? - David Gerard (talk) 13:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't enable harassment, and revdeleting it doesn't disable it; it just leaves a hole in the fossil record (an amusingly appropriate analogy). Secondly, pointing out that contraposition preserves truth isn't some grand magical crazy logic voodoo. Why am I looking? Because I would not want a bunch of "nyehnyeh can't see this" sitting around in page histories when we don't need it. I like some level of transparency in what happens on wikis, which is a big part of the reason for HAVING page histories. SO: A, B, C, or (probably) D? PacWalker 13:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Ease up on the banhammering

Sure, said BoN may annoy you and the edits to the U.S. article were classic wandalism, but have you considered the vandal bin? Dishing out bans for mere wandalism is usually not the first option on RW. ScepticWombat (talk) 09:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Ryulong should not have sysop rights; it seems to be the only way they can continue to contribute without abusing their power. Tielec01 (talk) 09:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
You can, as wikipedia did, suffer years of tedious vacillation until his rights are inevitably stripped. Or you can accept that persistent refusal to accept criticism of even a single action here or elsewhere indicates an unwillingness to change. Your problem, your call, good luck. Sarah (HH) 18:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
The issue is the BoN is being a pain in the ass on more just United States and I don't know how vandal bin works.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Special:VandalBrake is the page for vandalbinning folks. Exercise discretion bla bla so on so forth. PacWalker 18:25, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
How does it work and how do I use it is more important—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:46, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
RW:B FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 18:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you have to contest every edit to the Gamergate article?

It hardly seems productive. Just let it be, and save the reversions for the gaters themselves--Tanis (talk) 01:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I added something and then it was removed so when that happens yeah I do.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
That's what happens when your writing is overly verbose. Deal with it. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 01:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Being terse changes the meaning.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
No. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 02:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
"To jump to the conclusion" and "to conclude" have different connotations.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
"They concluded." It is clear from the context that they were incorrect in doing so. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 03:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Does everything you add need to stay? Surely, AgingHippie is not on the side of those who would harass women. Not that I know much of him, but I've always known him to be a strong supporter of feminism. Not that I know much of him. But he's not vandalizing the article and making Gamergate look good, is he? The article is long, and not necessarily a pleasant read. Making it longer isn't exactly imperative--Tanis (talk) 03:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I added a sentence that was removed with barely any comment.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Standard comment for anything I do to that page: "Editing for concision, style, and clarity." Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 03:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
What of this then?Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

"If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." €₳$£ΘĪÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 05:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hush, they aren't supposed to notice that part! :P PacWalker 05:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
That's not the point. Corrections and clarifications to his "concision, style, and clarity" edits are reverted.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
If you want to make that article clearer, I suggest applying a largely defensive weapon of hatchet. PacWalker 06:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I added a sentence and citation saying Twitter execs called out GG by name and it gets cut down to "Twitter condemns Gamergate".—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Yup. Twitter condemned Gamergate. That implies they did it by name.Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
For the past 8 months it's been rare for it to be explicitly condemned by name by any company.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 17:59, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
And this isn't "Fix some bad grammar/spelling, remove excess verbiage." You basically blanket reverted everything I added which included correcting your grammar in some places.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Everything you added did little in terms of telling the story or giving meaningful analysis. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
You remove a hell lot more context when you claim to edit for length and conciseness.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
There is so much repetition of fundamentally simple ideas in that article. By the time I'm done editing it, it should lose about a third of the words and none of the meaning or impact. You'll have to live with that. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
You keep blanket reverting when half of the shit I'm doing is fixing your verb tense fuckups.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, well, if you would write clearly in the first place it would be way easier to figure out what tense is appropriate. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
You're getting everything wrong and you're blaming it on me? For example, Honey Badger Brigade was only found to be AVFM's podcast Honey Badger Radio after they were booted out. You somehow think that they're "fans" instead of the actual podcasters.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
If you meant the podacsters, fucking well say that. You wrote "members." I had to guess what you meant based on your inability to write clearly. Again. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── "Members of a podcast"?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

You wrote "using one of their members' webcomics..." Which in no way signals a podcast producer, but a member of something. Totally unclear. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

"more inaccuracies."

You need to own that, friend. If people trying to edit your prose end up getting stuff wrong, it's because the original text failed to tell the story in a clear manner. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

What? ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:44, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Someone turned a sentence that said "They dot tweeted at her" to "They used the same channels".—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
And what's the point of all 300 references if no one is going to read a single one of them?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
":Someone turned a sentence that said "They dot tweeted at her" to "They used the same channels"" Exactly. Like I said, when your prose is that unclear, don't be surprised when people don't summarize it the way you want. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The sentence was intended to say "he tried to contact her in the same method as her harassers" and it was changed to "he tried to contact her using the same channels as her harassers". And when you, CorruptUser, and ConfusedLiberal keep cutting out large swathes of content, you leave broken references behind.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:29, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The sentence could have read "he tried to contact her." And it's on you to fix the references since you dumped a huge mess into the wiki for other folks to deal with. Sorry. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:31, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe you should read the citations that are all over the article instead of complaining about my prose.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:32, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
And even as I've explained this exact excerpt to you you still get it wrong when you cut out all of the fucking text.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

You can yell at me in bold characters all you want. I don't care. The article will be whittled down to a reasonable and readable size. Or take it away and go write the book you should write where nobody can mess with your vision and your work. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:41, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

That's not the fucking point. I've spent an hour telling you what that sentence is supposed to mean regardless of how fucking long it is and you still "whittle it down" into something that's blatantly incorrect.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:46, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
This is some dumb ass fucking gatekeeping you're doing too. "I don't understand your writing but I'm still going to cut out half of it because THE PAGE IS TOO LONG AND THAT'S BAD FOR RATIONALWIKI."—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The article is an unreadable mess, and that's bad for Rationalwiki.And again, yelling at me in all-caps has zero effect on me. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Do different colors work instead? Because you keep getting basic facts wrong when you cut everything down to size.Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Nope. Sorry. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
How about some more edits because you keep cutting shit out that takes away from the narrative and meaning.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
And you're fighting with me over the use of "fairweather" because that ONE word is "excess verbiage"? Cut the bullshit already.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I think I mentioned this earlier, but if I want to learn what happened during the superbowl, I don't need you to tell me the exact length of every strand of Tom Brady's pubic hair.
At the moment there are a half dozen pictures of Vivian James. Do we need all of them? I only think one is necessary. There is a lot of content that we don't need; do we really need 300? Does ANY other page have that many sources? You should help use prune the thing down, that way you can help prevent "important" content from being lost. CorruptUser (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
If I want to point out that Liana K and Lizzy have both left and rejoined Gamergate when it was convenient for them then I can use "fairweather" to describe their association. The images are necessary because it shows how hypocritical the movement is when it comes to this manic pixie sockpuppet they created. And I cut out 20k of text yesterday because it was irrelevant to the discussion of Gamergate as a whole. This "pruning down" that AgingHippie has been doing has been cutting out vital information because he doesn't feel like reading up on it beyond what I had written here already.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
And now when I want to add in details that are necessary for understanding why two people listed are complete shitheads that had been in the article prior to "pruning" as well as this ONE descriptor, AgingHippie is edit warring with me over it.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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