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More Fields Medal idiocy from Assfly

It just gets worse and worse. Andy continues to make a fool of himself (section of his rantings and some rational replies) and is now flat out saying that whether or not someone supports Obama is more important than their mathematical contributions when being awarded the Fields Medal. Then, for good measure, all but states that a woman cannot deserve to win. The mind of Andrew Schlafly is a scary and twisted place. DickTurpis (talk) 14:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I see someone WiGOed much of this already. I'm starting to think we can replace WiGO with a link to the contributions of Aschlafly. DickTurpis (talk) 14:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
This really gets into Andy's two most basic delusions:
  • Everything fits into the liberal/conservative dichotomy. He probably picks breakfast cereals based on which one he thinks is more conservative.
  • Those evil liberals are everywhere, constantly scheming to promote their Hideous Ideology by making sure liberals advance and conservatives are held back. If he was on the Jersey turnpike heading to a teabagging rally, and got held up due to a traffic jam, he's probably assume an evil liberal has caused the accident just to make sure Tea Party members couldn't get to their circle jerk.
When I was in college, I'd mentally try to blame every trivial problem on Ronald Reagan, but I was doing it as a joke. Andy is fuckin' serious. MDB (talk) 14:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Gods, I'd love it if some of the female 'journalists' (and I use the term exceedingly loosely) at sites like AFA, OneNewsNow and WND called Andy on this. Having the WND once again barrack (ho, ho) Andy for his point of view would be priceless.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 14:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
@MDB: I would imagine that if Andy ever saw this, he probably would start selecting his cereals more carefully in the supermarket. ONE / TALK 15:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
KyleT asks for the 5th time a reasonable question [1]img. tk reverts [2]img and then for blocks kylet after bullying him into submission [3]img Oldusgitus (talk) 21:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
KyleT did in fact retire himself. AceX-102 21:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Yep Ace, I misread tk's crap and was posting a corretion as you posted. Correction posted above. Sorry Oldusgitus (talk) 21:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, after skimming Wikipedia, Andy has understood the Langlands program so well that he knows that it "consists of conjectures that seek to connect different fields of mathematics" and (incorrectly) asserts that Tao proved something about it. Based on this, he deems it of "dubious significance". I guess that's another two Fields medals (Lafforgue and Drinfeld) we can throw out because of liberal deceit. --MarkGall (talk) 02:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Andy's line of reasoning

It seems to be really that simple:

premise: I'm always right.
argument: The British are notoriouslyimg weakimg in mathematics.
counter-argument: The Fields Medalsimg say otherwise.
conclusion: The Fields Medals are crapimg.

larronsicut fur in nocte 07:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

That line of reasoning is hysterical...but, sadly, very representative of the way Andy thinks. Tetronian you're clueless 00:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Conservapedia Prize

Andy thinks Conservapedia should give out its own prizes because the Nobel Prize and Fields Medal is dominated by liberals. I'd rather win an Iggy. MDB (talk) 17:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Which will last as long as it takes Andy to realise that each Fields Medal costs US$15,000. Although, his local fire station has a nice conference hall in which to hold the awards ceremony (wasn't the one and only Conservapedia Conference held there?)
Lol, I love how the International Mathematical Union is suddenly liberal. oh ok, they do have the words 'international' and 'union' in their name, so that's a dead give away.
Also, can somebody please ask Andy to name 2, 3 or 4 mathematicians aged under 40, that he thinks are conservative enough to qualify. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 17:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I wonder what other awards Andy will create rivals for next? Perhaps he'll establish a rival to the Oscars and call them the Ronnies. MDB (talk) 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

cp:ConservaMath Medal --MarkGall (talk) 18:58, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

LMAO!!! ConservaMath! Andy, pleeeeease let the person who designed theseimg design the medal. --Night Jaguar (talk) 19:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Not to be confused with the ConservaMeth Medal for drug-fueled editing sprees
Which? The good or the bad? PubliusTalk 21:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The bad. Funnier that way :). --Night Jaguar (talk) 03:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Really, now I'm even more worried about Andy than about Ken ... larronsicut fur in nocte 19:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
"The conservamedal is awarded annually for those proving in interesting and novel ways that 2 + 2 = 4. Deny this and lose all credibility." --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah, but if you canproved that 2+2 = beautiful autumn foilage, you're a winner. Seriously tho, how sure are we that Andy isn't a cokehead? I'm just trying to think what else could account for his messianic complex. Also, whatever happened to CP's award to the Conservative of the Year? Did that die along with Brian U? --PsyGremlinSermā! 19:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
You know how this works. The Assfly gets a bee in his bonnet about liberals infesting some area of life, escalates to about 3 steps past insane then in a couple of weeks entirely forgets his obsession and moves on to the next way to humiliate himself. If he actually had any follow through at all, we might be saddled with the prospect of his homskolling special needs kids by now. Remember that brief obsession? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The SEA application? Funny how we've not heard anything more about that. EddyP (talk) 20:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

W. Dembski or R. Marks - or a tie between those two? larronsicut fur in nocte 20:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The Conservapedia Medals campaign is one of my favourite bits from CP history. The crap ones were all done by Geo.Plrd who claimed to have some expertise in PhotoShop while the good ones were done by arch-parodist Rod Wethers. BOTP at its finest. Also Geo's choice of categories was always bewildering; Dentistry, Forestry, Pharmacy, etc. (Didn't we have a Goat Dentistry medal here?)  Lily Inspirate me. 21:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I, for one, cannot wait to see who wins the esteemed ConservaMath Medal (brilliant name!). Could it be, perhaps, the only nominee? The suspense is killing me! What I really want to see is how the winner (whoever it may be) is presented with this illustrious award, and the winner's reaction. My god, he (assuming it is he he, who knows?) will have to be immensely honored by this. Will it go on his CV? Will he send an email to Conservapedia accepting the award, stating how honoured he is? Will Andy post it on CP? DickTurpis (talk) 15:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering that myself. Assuming the e-mail announcement doesn't get caught in the "honored" winner's spam filter, it would be amusing to see any response, like "I refuse to accept your so-called 'prize'", "please do not associate my name with your ridiculous web site ever again", "I have retained an attorney", or the ever-popular, "fuck off and die." MDB (talk) 15:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I would think the "winner" might be clever enough to ask about a purse, because many people with money are conservative. After finding out that its just a certificate Andy printed up at Kinko's, then they tell him to go eat it. --Opcn (talk) 18:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


Can someone explain this?

it makes no sense Firstly how did this guy win the ConservaMath prize four years before it was thought up (and what kind of prize is it). Secondly why would Tao winning the Fields medal (or the CMP) hurt his ability to support Obama. Thirdly who cares about his ability to support Obama? --Opcn (talk) 04:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the deal is: Andy thinks that Ben Green "earned" the Fields medal four years ago, but the liberals gave it to his Obama-loving collaborator Tao instead. His name has come up for the Fields again but Andy thinks that it would decrease Tao's substantial political effectiveness if Green got it. Thus, Ben Green appears to be the front-runner for the ConservaMath medal.
Is Andy not aware that Green is thoroughly British? Surely he can't be worthy. --MarkGall (talk) 12:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I personally think someone should nominate Ed Poor for the ConservaMath prize. --Composure1 (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Isn't one of the Schlafly brothers a mathematician of sort? Seems an obvious candidate. Unless it's the gay one Nil Einne (talk) 15:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Dofgy Roge, the Weiner Eater? Ooh, no he's disqualified for daring to argue with Andy about Relativity and just about every other math/science entry Andy refudiates. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 15:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah I see it's Roger Schlafly. Anyway has anyone else noticed they seemed to have abandonded this and haven't yet made any announcement despite it supposed to happen at the same time as the Fields Medal. I guess Andy realised even the people he tries to award it to are going to laugh in his face. Probably the lack of the predicted women Fields winner didn't help, nor does the fact he can't seem to decide whether he gave it to Ben Green in 2006. Nil Einne (talk) 15:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Ooh! Good point. Has Andy's ADD kicked in already and he's forgotten the ConservaMath Medal? --PsyGremlinSiarad! 15:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

The book of Andy

Can someone with some api know-how collect and combine every talkpage saying Andy has ever uttered? I think it's make for good lols to have a searchable reference to find contradictions. MediaWiki's built-in search doesn't seem to do the trick. Like when Andy rails against scientists or refuses to yield to authority, but then pleads that "It wasn't just Hoyle, though he's impressive enough alone. It was a team of scientists who examined the specimens firsthand. Have their critics done that? I'm open to valid, meaningful criticisms of their findings, but I don't see any yet." That way, parodists could, in a sense, make Andy talk to himself. "Gee, Andy... It wasn't just Einstein, though he's impressive enough alone. It was a team of scientists who examined the findings firsthand. Have their critics done that? I'm open to valid, meaningful criticisms of their findings, but I don't see any yet." I'm pretty sure Andy could be made to explode. Thoughts? Occasionaluse (talk) 17:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Erm, how exactly is s script going to pick out what is a "saying" as such? Anyway, the quote generator does a pretty good job: DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 17:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Simply the content of his post in a talk namespace. Occasionaluse (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

"Occasionaluse" (obviously your parents were unbelievers to give you such a pagan name), logic does not require such verbosity. I looked at your contributions and you rely on a secular conception of the past, so admit it, you're not a church goer. Furthermore, you are in denial that abstinence prevents rape. Believe what you like, but I often see good minds spiral into decay once they fall for atheism. Perhaps logic doesn't matter much to some, and perhaps deception doesn't bother them. But on this site logic and truthfulness carry the day. If you think it "is OK to be wrong sometimes," then please be wrong somewhere else.--Andy Schlafly 23:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

This is a very good idea, but it would take a lot of work to assemble and a long time to read through. If you know how to go about doing it, I would say go right ahead. Tetronian you're clueless 17:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I think it'd be easy enough for someone who can use the api (which I guess I'm sure I could if I tried..). It wouldn't be so much for reading through, more likely grep'ing. Occasionaluse (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
There have been some Andy impersonators on CP. Pretty easy to do: Judging from your long winded rant I'm 95% certain that you practice Liberal deceit and want to keep prayers from our public schools. Open your mind and try to find out what the liberals don't want you to know. Godspeed. P.S. British women are terrible at math. --Night Jaguar (talk) 18:58, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Most of Andy's talk page contributions can no longer be accessed through the API, either because the discussions they were part of have been "archived" or because the article the talk page belonged to has been deleted as parody. My archive preserves much but not all of what has disappeared; I didn't start archiving until June 2009, a time at which roughly two out of three parodist articles must have already been shitcanned. Another problem is that the archive does not contain every single revision ever made but takes snapshots at semi-regular intervals. This means one cannot build an index of Andy utterances solely from the meta data; one would have to parse the dear leader's proclamations out of the actual body text. mb 19:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
It should be easy enough to plow through Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=Aschlafly&namespace=1, grab the URLs, download the page and parse for additions. I think that would take care of 95% of Andy's talk space contributions. I'll work on that later... Occasionaluse (talk) 19:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
My liberal style bot did exactly this to get its "words per talk page post" count -- I can give you the code if you want to adapt it. (Disclaimer: I'm no programmer, so it's probably a mess). --MarkGall (talk) 19:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Better than nothing! Thanks, I'll contact you via email later. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The changes were trivial enough that I just went ahead and did it, I'll run it later tonight. Stuff like Talk:Main and Talk:Aschlafly has been deleted many times, so we'll probably miss out on a lot of stuff if we don't use the archives. Here's a good find from when I was testing -- maybe not completely contradictory, but...

Andy, 2007img: "'Faith' is unique to Christianity, and the term is not genuinely used by other religions. The powerful Greek language was essential to express the concept of faith. Not even English can describe it well."
Andy, 2009img: "Christianity introduced powerful new concepts that even the Greek and Hebrew were inadequate to express, and that modern conservative language can express well." --MarkGall (talk) 23:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Draft

I have a draft of such a compilation ready now, containing all Talk: and User talk: edits that are still available (I guess I forgot Essay:Talk:). Email me if you're interested. Below's a draft version of a plot of the frequences of some favorite Schlaflyisms in these posts.

Schlaflyisms

(ah, looks like it counts words in the URL of the talk page too... so the huge values for "deceit" are probably when there's a big debate at Talk:Liberal deceit. I'll fix it tomorrow). --MarkGall (talk) 04:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again, Mark.
I'm just now starting to go through. This one is not the best, but I'm sure it will be the first of many...Andy on consensus:
"Most academic scientists today claim that man-made global warming is settled science, and that government can stop it. Such consensus does not make that claim true or logical." [5]
"Yet you accept Lenski's view on statistics without even thinking through the issues on your own, while rejecting the consensus of Christian experts. Why? The answer is obvious: bias and lack of open-mindedness." [6]
Occasionaluse (talk) 15:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's a good one:
  • "This is Conservapedia, and we don't censor the truth here. Obama's Muslim pronunciation of "Pakistan" should not be censored here, and it has been restored." [7]
  • "it is biased to point of absurdity to criticize Bush for his "accent"" [8]
Occasionaluse (talk) 15:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Matrix Agenda

Bar chart of matrix additions by month
Liberal jibber-jabber

Please to enjoy the attached animation. Red squares indicate articles that are currently deleted. Sadly, I can't find out when the deleted articles were created, but in most cases I imagine they were the same day, let alone same month. Also, if someone could run capturebot on this page to pick up the dregs, that would be grand (I haven't figured out how to run it on other pages...). ONE / TALK 20:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Good work my son! DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 21:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Useful and oddly hypnotic. One, you still need a hand with the capturebot thing, or did you get that sorted out? I had a look at the link, and everything seems to have been captured. Concernedresident omg!!! ponies!!! 21:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
So it does! Not sure who did that - thanks :) ONE / TALK 21:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The majority had been there when I checked, and I placed the rest in the Capturebot Sandbox. Dunno if anybody else had been using other means in the meantime or not, though. --Sid (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Very well done! Which program did you use to create the animated gif? larronsicut fur in nocte 07:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not tech-savvy at all, so I just copied and pasted stuff out of an excel spreadsheet that I'm using to track the matrix into a tiny gif program called "unFREEze". It's quite effective though :D ONE / TALK 09:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hail, o prophet Schlafly

He's not even waiting for "liberals" to say things any more before he puts the boot in. Now he's predicting in advance what his fantasy nemesis is going to say. I'm rather hoping they award the damn thing to men now. Maybe Ed and JPatt can burn the assfly at the stake for casting false prophecies. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 07:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

He doesn't even say "2010" in the date. CP, the "encyclopedia" that liveblogs the future! ħumanUser talk:Human 08:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Also see above at #conservadia prize or some such header. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Argumentum ad hominem doesn't get any better than this. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 10:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Every time I think the rabbit hole can't go any deeper, Andy provides another few meters of hilarity. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 10:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I must admit, Andy never fails to amaze me. I mean, he's never bothered with the thing before, but now he's so outraged that they dare possibly even think about giving the medal to a woman. What a repulsive little creature he is. I wonder if one of his home scholars piped up and said, "Sir, why are you still giving separate tests for boys and girls, when a girl is getting a top maths award?" I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. Plus, I wonder if he subscribes to his mother's feelings about marital rape? --PsyGremlinFale! 10:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Marital rape? Possibly twice. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 11:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
"I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire" But just think. If you did you could have the immeasurable pleasure of then setting the repulsive little shit on fire again. And just when he thought you'd saved him as well. Oldusgitus (talk) 11:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Conservapedia is so boring when it's Ken and TK and FOIA and so entertaining when it's Andy. Fawlty (talk) 11:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I see it like this. Andy's first big 'mistake' was the Lenski affair, which brought all kinds of unwelcome attention to CP. Thus, he decided to do something to deflect attention away from Lenski and back to how awesome CP is. Sadly, this project was the CBP, which also backfired, necessitating another intervention - Best of the Public. Ditto this as failure, followed by relativity is a liberal plot. Further fail. Now he's got Ken running interference for him, whilst he used the Fields Medal as a new platform to show just how awesome CP is. I can't wait to see what his wildly flailing mind comes up with next. --PsyGremlinFale! 11:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Psy, I think that you ascribe too much reasoning to Andy's actions. He's more like a drunk staggering from pillar to post and quite oblivious to any past mistakes. Unlike TK I would hesitate to call Andy an alcholic though. He's probably teetotal as he seems boring enough and it would fit in with some of his religious nuttery. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 12:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I think it is more along the lines of Andy focusing his attention only on the immediate "Shiny", in this case the shiny being that next great supposed insight he comes up with, that and he is impatient. He becomes bored with a project before it is completed and that project will just ground to a halt. Ken is the same way. This is why the CBP is dead even though most of the Old Testament still remains to be done. Andy got bored with the idea and moved on tot he next conspiracy theory. After the Conservapedia version of the math awards this week, the issue most likely will not be revisited for 2011 (if CP still exists). --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 13:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I like how it contains Schlafly's usual grasp of numbers where 74 is nearly 100. - π 12:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Π, typos and counting errors are, of course, inevitable; your own comment above has an error in its last seven words. Errors can be found in the greatest of works, such as Bernard Riemann's famous mathematical lecture. 74 is indeed nearly 100, and it would be nearly impossible to identify such a large number closely fitting that pattern unless the underlying pattern existed. ONE / TALK 13:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone added "Liberal Claptrap" to the matrix? --Kels (talk) 13:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I have to say, if the woman doesn't win the Fields medal then Andy will end up with quite a bit of egg on his face. Although he'll probably just stick his head on a frying pan and scream "Conservative values triumph!" Stupid word Hoover! 13:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Remember, he's made two predictions -- "a woman" and Ngo Bao Chau, for being "Communist-trained" in Vietnam. (One of the people debating Andy considers Ngo far and away the front-runner, but says it's because he's truly brilliant.) If eitherr of those is true, Andy can claim victory. MDB (talk) 14:18, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I thought the Bible wasn't that keen on fortune telling? Isn't it in Dante's Inferno, where they're all doomed to spend eternity looking backwards. (then again, you don't get much more backwards than CP) --PsyGremlinPrata! 14:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Yup. 2 Peter 2:1-3 (NIV) describes Andy so clearly that I may have to begin believing in biblical prophecy: "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" Concernedresident omg!!! ponies!!! 14:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, there's several Bible verses that could apply to Andy. Here's two:
  • Andy is argumentative: Proverbs 18:6 A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.
  • He continues to run CP, despite the fact it is supported by only a few editors, and most of its traffic is the internet equivalent of drivers slowing down to gawk at a highway accident: Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. MDB (talk) 15:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The Fields Medal winners

Elon Lindenstrauss, Ngo Bao Chau, Stanislav Smirnov, Cedric Villani. No women -- we'll see what Andy has to say about this. --MarkGall (talk) 06:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Shoot, I forgot that Andy thinks applications of ergodic theory to number theory are controversialimg, and that's what Linderstrauss does. So one deceitful person solving made-up problems, two communist-trained mathematicians, and a Frenchie... the liberal conspiracy has triumphed. --MarkGall (talk) 06:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
He'll just claim that Conservapedia's last-minute campaign to expose the politics behind the award was all that stopped them from giving it to a (gasp!) woman. But Andy should definitely do more of these precog strawman arguments, that was fun. Röstigraben (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear

CP is on fireimg. A vandal appeared about an hour ago, blanked three pages, and it seems 40 minutes later he realised he hadn't been blocked or even noticed and has resumed blanking pages. Shouldn't have left the front door open... ONE / TALK 11:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Nothing new there. Typical day's editing at CP: Andy writing drivel, Ken posting cats everywhere, FOIA on his Hiss kick, Terry Koeckritz blocking everything that moves, and a whole bunch of wandals tearing the place apart. So much for the conservative hordes Karajerk's expecting. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 14:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The Next Conservative Awards

Post your predictions here for the next Conserva-Prize Andy will establish, and who the likely winner(s) will be.

For Excellence in Movie-Making

Known as the "Ronnies", in honor of the greatest actor, President and American ever, Ronald Reagan. First winner, Mel Gibson, for The Passion of the Christ and generally being a true exemplar of conservative values. MDB (talk) 11:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The Conservapedia Peace Prize

Known as the "Ronnies", in honor of the greatest peace-maker, President and American ever, Ronald Reagan. First winner, George W. Bush, for his exemplary efforts in bringing peace to the Middle East.

Mother of the Year

Known as the "Ronnies", because... Reagan had a mother, right? First winner, Phyllis Schlafly, for producing several wonderful conservative children, only one of whom turned out to be a homosexual.

Expand as you see fit.

MDB (talk) 11:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

It's Phyllis Snr. for all of them. At the risk of being a bit Andyish myself, you can almost guarantee that some brown-nosing toe-rag will suggest the old lizard. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 12:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
What happens if you win Two Ronnies? ONE / TALK 13:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The greatest honor any conservative could hope for -- night editing rights at CP! MDB (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
It means you are a mastermind.--Brendiggg (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The winner of two Ronnies gets fawcandles. Jack Hughes (talk) 13:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
And it's good night from me... --Kels (talk) 14:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
...and it's good night from her.--Brendiggg (talk) 15:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
And it's a G-G-G-G-G-G-Granville! --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 15:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

"Ground Zero Mosque" - maybe I'm just bent out of shape...

because although I haven't been a practicing or believing Muslim for almost 6 years, I'm someone who "looks Muslim" based on what the perennial witch hunting posse that is the American right has decided upon, but thisimg just drove me nuts. I personally have no problem with the mosque Islamic center (it's nooooot a huge building with a minaret....) being built, as long as it's not used for anything harmful. Exactly how I would feel if anyone else tried to put a building on that spot. I mean DAMN. Maybe I'm just biased because I don't enjoy people telling me to "go back to Islamistan" or some other pile of crap, but still... for me personally, this one takes the cake. Putting up a building is going to make all Muslims (and probably ex-Muslims, "Arab-looking people," people with black hair, facial hair, and a tan, all foreigners... etc) just start murdering people left and right because it's "bloodshed in the name of Allah." </rant>

I'm new here, obviously, so sorry to make my first edit a complete rambling rant; I'm gonna go murder American babies calm down now. ghazi alizm, comments? 17:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I love the way that they quote the organisations building the mosque that it would be built to foster tolerance in a spirit of compassion, then immediately say that it's viewed as insensitive. Stupid word Hoover! 17:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh it gets better! Now Muslims are like Nazis. Just apparently not as bad? [4]img ghazi alizm, comments? 18:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
To be fair, it was incredibly insensitive of them to plan initially to name it after the Cordoba Mosque, which was built to commemorate the Muslim conquest of Wester Europe. Typically if you want people to believe you when you say "we want to foster tolerance" you ought to make it seem like the tolerance you want to foster is for others as well as for yourself. That having been said has anyone looked at their constitution? There isn't much we can do about it. Oh, also guy who isn't signing his posts, keep in mind that those of use who were religious still have a lot of the rationalizations we made where we were floating around in our heads, I still defend catholics even though I am not one.--Opcn (talk) 18:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The whole thing comes down to Christians' fundamental right not to be offended. If the founding fathers thought otherwise, they wouldn't have based our constitution on Christian values. Occasionaluse (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Cordoba, at the time of the Cordoba mosque in the 11th century, was a city where Muslims, Jews and Christians all lived relatively peacefully together. As far as I'm concerned, commemorating that time is a very good thing - even if it's done by a bunch of folk who follow a religion that, frankly, I find completely insane. Of course, what makes this even better is that this building is, in fact, already a mosque, for all practical purposes, as Muslim prayer services are actually held there already. What the people who own it want to do is simply do a large-scale renovation or rebuild to make it into a Muslim community center, which includes a mosque. 92.1.146.121 (talk) 18:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The unsigned post was mine; I simply forgot. Trust me, I perfectly understand the rationalizations, even though I left my faith several years ago and was still in my mid teens. I try to defend any one that I feel is being accused of unfairly, but I am only human. ghazi alizm, comments? 18:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Christians and Jews were allowed to live with a stiff infidel tax under the Caliph of Cordoba (Sorry about the "v", European history was 8 years ago for me), but it was also the seat of power for the failed conquest of Europe, surely you can see why that is of concern BON. @Ghazi, of course it looks that way to us, I still get upset when people go after the catholic church for being anti-science, I feel like they aren't giving the full breadth of respect due to the work of the Jesuits, My defense of the catholic faith seems perfectly fair and just to me. --Opcn (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The "stiff infidel tax" is somewhat of a misnomer, though, might I add. At the time, and in most cases still today, Muslims were required to donate a portion of their income to charity, often Muslims who were living in poverty. Since non-Muslims were not required to pay the zakat, many governments imposed the amount required of Muslims as a tax on non-Muslims. A bit unfair, perhaps, but also an egalitarian measure aimed to benefit the poor, at least on the surface and mostly in practice too. ghazi alizm, comments? 19:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
As I understand it it was an additional tax that they had to pay. The infidel tax (though I believe it was called an "offering", infidel tax is my word choice) was pretty steep and is largely credited with converting the majority of Spain within 100 years of it being levied. Most people were poor, and on the Iberian peninsula most of the Muslims initially came in with the conquering army and virtually all of the poor and destitute were non-muslim. --Opcn (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
My mistake, I left out some other interpretations. We're talking about the jizya tax here, which traditionally has been a tax levied on non-Muslims in predominantly Muslim-run societies. Even though there's been a few schools of thought on the subject in Islamic law, one of which was the use of the jizya as a substitute for the zakat, like what I talked about above) the other most common reasoning for its issue was as a substitute for military service. Although in some cases, non-Muslims under Muslim rule were still required to serve in the military (the Ottomans for example) the payment of the tax was often used in exchange for that. Also, it was sort of a "you pay us this tax, and in exchange, you get to live with us, get protection from our militaries, whatever social services, albeit rudimentary at the time, that we might offer, and be able to lend money to others without interference." From what I've read, however, tolerance of non-Muslims in Iberia differed wildly between different rulers of the Caliphate, through different time periods, etc. In some cases, pogroms against non-Muslims (especially Jews). In other cases, relative tolerance and acceptance into a mostly secular-geared society. Not an excuse, just a comparison: not much different from many other medieval societies of Christian origin or governance. ghazi alizm, comments? 20:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I copied the struck section to my talk page since as Opcn pointed out, we quickly got off topic of anything related to CP. We're continuing the discussion on my talk page. I copied it instead of moved it there, though, in case anyone objects to my doing so, it's still here for archiving too, but I think we can continue the discussion on my talk page or elsewhere. ghazi alizm, comments? 01:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Normally we move it to forum or a debate page. - π 23:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for that; I'll remember that for the future. ghazi alizm, comments? 03:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Geez, imagine being an incumbent Democrat on the stump trying to defend the president's desire to build a Memorial to the terrorist suicide killers on the 9/11 site. I pity them guys. nobsdon't bother me 20:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

In the height of Assfly's math rambling, he divides by zero

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageleft&diff=prev&oldid=807144

Why isn't he using the limit definition? Does he want the universe to explode? Mr. Swift (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The benefits of reading the Bible are undefined!? Occasionaluse (talk) 18:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
So relativity was scientific knowledge rather than foreknowledge right? So technically he may be correct on that account. However if we are talking predictions that turned out to be true then you have things like nuclear reactors and bending light. --Opcn (talk) 18:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Jeez. He's exactly like Ken. He's so pleased with his creation that he repeats it ad nauseum, getting less and less coherent with each repetition. I suppose on the small mercies score, at least we're spared the flying kitty telling us the benefits of reading the Bible are Not A Number. I guess it's just a temporary oversight. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
So...Let me get this straight, the benefits of reading the Bible is either some undefined or unrepresentable value, or if we just use ordinary (real number) math, the expression is not meaningful, or at best ambiguous. Why do I need to read the Bible again? --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 19:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Because doing so lets you burn down the houses of atheists? (*points up at the Kenferno section*) --Sid (talk) 19:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
On the plus side if you are allowed to divide by zero you are also allowed to make 2+2=5 ...--Opcn (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Truly the next Andy insight! --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 20:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention that the whole wording gives the impression that he can't count beyond two, either. Röstigraben (talk) 06:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised that zero is being used at all. For centuries it was considered evil, and the work of the devil. You don't even know your math history Andru. Jimaginator (talk) 21:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I think he has bitched in the past about the existence of the empty set, which is the direct equivalent of zero, in the past. Or am I just making it up? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I think he said Jesus invested zero, or something like that. AceX-102 21:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
This? X42bn6 (talk) 00:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind, I saw this section and thought of a wigo :) ONE / TALK 05:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Red Phyl

Oh dear, one semester at that nasty liberal Princeton, and lil' Phyl's gone all Commie. Or at least it looks like it from this strange borked news postimg where she appears to be lamenting the lack of coverage of the 60th anniversary of chairman of the Communist Party in Belgium. Maybe Rob can get head her to name names. Or does she seriously think that "killing people we don't like" is a good thing? --PsyGremlin말하십시오 20:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Usually, I'd call anyone who complained about a celebration of her own right to vote a stupid bint who should relinquish her spot at an elite university to someone whose life ambition extends beyond meeting a neanderthal who'll drag her off to his cave to spend the next 20 years of her life pregnant and chained to the kitchen sink. But considering who her dad is, it probably isn't her fault. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Boy you people are rough. 20:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC) C®ackeЯ
Huh. Funny. Kinda looks like she's defying the standard Conservapedian position on both what deserves to happen to belgian commiesimg and showing sympathy to the damned Japaneseimg. Would Andy really wield the banhammer against his own beloved daughter, will his hired thugs do the dirty work a la On the Waterfront, or will a simple revert and pat on the back suffice? Would love to see how this one turns out.--CentimeterINCHES 20:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Except that neither Hiroshima (August 6th) or Nagasaki (August 9th) happened today (August 18th), which the anniversary of the 19th amendment. So why she is using the bombings of Japan in her rant is beyond me. Is she upset women can vote or is she just trolling? --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 20:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
What I find funny is that, in the past, they've criticized Google for celebrating the anniversary of foreign events, but not American ones that happened on the same day. So when Google fulfills their complaining and celebrates the anniversary of an American thing instead of a foreign one, they still get all pissy and aren't satisfied. ~SuperHamster Talk 21:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
(EC) The former. It's a central plank of daddy dearest's world that women are inferior to men and should exercise no authority over a man. It doesn't do her much credit that she's bought in to it either. Argh. Dawkins was right, fucking child abuse. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:09, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
If that is true, I wonder, does she vote, or will she vote in the November elections? Does Andy's wife vote? I have no doubt that his mother does. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 23:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Ha! Andy's circular logic comes back around to bite him on the ass again

Andy is actually anti-bomb, this is because the bomb was made using relativity and he is anti-relativity. When he said no useful technology uses relativity someone piped up and said "The Bomb", and he said (IIRC) "no, it just killed a bunch of Japanese needlessly, that's not useful". However, if St. Ronnie did anything to topple the Soviet Union it was maintaining a Nuclear superiority that would push them to race until they collapsed. However if The Bomb is not a useful technology then St. Ronnie did nothing. There for the foreign policy achievements of Ronald Reagan (and his predecessors as far as the U.S.S.R. is concerned) are meaningless with out the theory of relativity. Q.E.D.--Opcn (talk) 21:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Does the bomb really use relativity? Isn't it all about mass/energy equivalence? Or is that the same thing? Inquiring minds want to know. --Horace (talk) 22:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
wp:Mass–energy equivalence.--Opcn (talk) 22:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Not useful except to all those servicemen who didn't have to go and fight for the next 2 years in Japan and possibly never come back. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 23:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Andy's said on a few occasions that mass-energy equivalence has nothing to do with relativity. The logic goes like this: "Relativity is false. Nuclear bombs work. Therefore, nuclear bombs must not rely on relativity." User:FineCheesesUser talk:FineCheeses 23:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy is right. I direct you to the wikipedia article explaining it. YourEnemy? (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think the theory of relativity relates to E=MC2. AceX-102 23:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Your Enemy? is correct that the theory of relativity isn't about the atomic bomb but, rather, about gravitational pull and atomic mass. The Goonie 1 What's this button do? Uh oh.... 23:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey Jacob, how's it going getting the JacobB consortium its rights back? Nutty Rouxnever mind 00:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Your handlers have told me they are very keen on getting some rights back. AceX-102 00:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I find it really hard to believe that measuring the energy in terms of mass differences had nothing to do with the development of the Atom bomb. --Opcn (talk) 06:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Ken deadicate an article to his new idol

Minor Youtube user ShockOfGod now has his own article pageimg, thanks to the fanboyish (but totally straight) desires of Ken to show off is idol. Of course the talk page redirects to "Essay: A YouTube atheist trying to pwn Christian shockofgod", which then has it's talk page redirected to the atheism article. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 23:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hope Ken didn't spill his seed writing this. (Probably did though)--Thanatos (talk) 00:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
(ec)We should have challenges on RW. Like "How fast can you go from [Article X] to [one of Ken's pet articles] just by clicking links in articles (and their talk pages)?" --Sid (talk) 00:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I used to do this on Wikipedia. I'd click random page and see how long it took to get to "Hitler". So, without further ado:

Random page = The World Bank -> Loans -> Promise -> Consideration -> Right (Which lead to Right-wing...) -> Liberal -> Evolution!! YAY!!! It doesn't help that their articles are like 5 words long. Senator Harrison (talk) 04:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Random Page = Ned Brooks -> Meet the Press -> Soviet Union -> Adolph Hitler (Ha! Closing in now!) -> Evolution!! Double YAY! Beat that. --Horace (talk) 05:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Have you guys ever checked out this? It's the game as Senator describes it, except it's all fancy with accounts, score keeping, and live competitions with other users.
Anyways...MECP2 -> Gene -> Natural selection -> Evolution -> Adolf Hitler. ~SuperHamster Talk 05:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Ooh! I think we've found a new game on CP: Six Degrees of Adolf Hitler. --PsyGremlinParlez! 06:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
SuperHamster got it wrong - you have to get to one of Ken's pet articles, not Hitler ;) Of course, that only means adding one step. I'm sure Hitler has links to all three of the Atheism-Evolution-Homosexuality trinity. ONE / TALK 08:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
And to contributed:
Vic Snyder -> Same-sex marriage -> Homosexuality :D Well that was easy. ONE / TALK 08:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I think it should be Six Degrees of Gay Bowel Syndrome. ONE / TALK 08:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Ego -> Freud -> Nazis -> Evolution (or any Liberal X article of my choice). EddyP (talk) 08:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
To make it harder (no pun intended) you should always start from an Ed Poor stub (they usually don't have any wikilinks). :) Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 09:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

Dreaming and success -> Henry David Thoreau -> Philosopher -> Scientist -> Science -> ATHEISM!!!!! ONE / TALK 10:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

This is a fun game. I've only failed one so far. New rule: You get more points if you go through an article cited to "Exploring Creation With Physical Science." --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 10:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
It's too easy :) cp:Cell phone health scare -> cp:Mobile phones and brain tumor risk -> cp:DNA -> cp:Gene -> cp:Theory of natural selection -> cp:Evolution win! Now to code something that finds the optimum route... ;) Worm(t | c) 11:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
cp:Cell phone health scare -> cp:Media -> cp:Liberal media elite -> cp:Evolution. Nutty Rouxnever mind 02:44, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I got cp:Super Nintendo Entertainment System and I thought I was stuffed. I originally went with Japan, I know I would have got there eventually, but it was taking a long time. I went back and found a shorter path: cp:Super Nintendo Entertainment System -> cp:Video game -> cp:Liberal -> cp:Evolution. - π 14:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I was impressed by this one: cp:300 BC -> cp:Archimedes -> cp:Physics -> cp:Scientific method -> cp:Scientific bias -> cp:Homosexuality. - π 14:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
cp:Pope -> cp:Roman_Catholic_Church -> cp:Homosexuality. Yawn. Nutty Rouxnever mind 20:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Gallery of Fleming and Dutch Painting -> Vincent Van Gogh -> Netherlands (rd from Holland) -> abortion -> evolution. I gotta say, I can't believe I couldn't get to atheism from The Netherlands. WTF Andy? They're about the most atheistic nation on earth. You just cost me one degree of separation. DickTurpis (talk) 11:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Damn, this could easily turn addictive. Tried again and got Chivalry as my random article, which tickled me immensely (and was just 2 degrees from atheism), then got cp:Mortar, which made me think I was screwed, since there's only I blue link: shell. Luckily, in true CP fashion, their shell article is not about explosive shells but about biological shells, and once you're in the field of biology evolution is never too far away (still took 5 steps, as I had to clear a few substubs). I think for comparison's sake I'll try this on WP. What are the official targets: evolution, atheism, and homosexuality? DickTurpis (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the Ken Trio. We should call the game "Six Degrees in regards to Separation :)" ONE / TALK 13:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I hereby endorse that name. It might also be fun to aim for "liberal" or a "liberal [noun]" page, though. (Also, my run hit a dead end: unauthorized user <-> authorized user. They only link to each other...) ~ Kupochama[1][2] 14:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
We can also play with the Assfly Trio: abortion, gun control, classroom prayer; although these are more talk page issues than article subjects for him. Of those three abortion would clearly be the ultimate destination of 95% of the links. DickTurpis (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone reckon this fun little game is worth its own article in the CP or Fun namespace? Or would it peter out too quickly? ONE / TALK 14:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
It defiantly needs its own article. - π 14:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
One of us should be defiant and write one. Though I'm not sure we'd get results terribly different on Wikipedia (at least on my first try I didn't). It generally is a pretty quick shot from an article to a country, and then from their religious demographic section it's probably a click or two away from some reference to atheism. So if the point is that on CP all roads lead to atheism, evolution, or homosexuality, then we might want to make sure that isn't terribly atypical. I'll do some more trial runs at WP, but since their articles are much longer and have many more links, the maze is exponentially more complex. DickTurpis (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm willing to write up an article on this - I'll start working on it now (if someone else has already started, tell me now so I won't do all of this for nothing). ~SuperHamster Talk 20:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
What shall we call this magnificent game? "Six Degrees in Regards to Separation", as suggested above? I think a name that isn't specific to Ken is the best, since I like the idea of alternatives (the Ken Trio, the Assfly Trio, etc.). ~SuperHamster Talk 20:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
In some ways it's like Mornington Crescent, but how about Buffalo Soldiers, Springtime for Hitler, Beyond our Ken, or Hunt the Sausage? Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 22:22, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
All righty, I went with the last one, since sausages taste good (and you can put that into whatever context you want). First things first, of course, it needs a logo.
Hunt the Sausage Logo.gif ~SuperHamster Talk 01:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
And now here's the article. ~SuperHamster Talk 02:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Tests on WP:

  1. Zonenkinder->Germany->irreligion->atheism
  2. Deadly Strangers->Sterling Hayden->United States->atheism
  3. Roxborough State Park->Coyote->Animal->evolution
  4. Coney Island (1943 film)->Charles Winninger>Judy Garland->Gay icon (which itself should probably count)->homosexuality

Looks like preliminary tests show that 3 or 4 steps to a Ken subject isn't atypical. DickTurpis (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

First of all, just like Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon it should take less than 6 steps. Secondly, I've seen the latest Cadbury's ad (Spots v Stripes) on TV a couple of times now and can't help but think of Ken with all those cutesy fish. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 19:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
So I had a go, clicked on Random Page > Lebensraum. Bingo! Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 19:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Completely unrelated: why does Ken patrol his own edits?! Nutty Rouxnever mind 21:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

He's a sysop, so it's automatic, innit? It even says "(automatic)". I just checked and I marked all my edits as patrolled here apparently, and I've never marked anything that way. DickTurpis (talk) 21:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right. Smarty. Nutty Rouxnever mind 22:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

OH LOOK

No women won the Fields Medal afterall. However, the communist Vietnam-trained mathematician did, so I'm assuming Andy will focus absolutely all his spit on that and ignore/revert any mention of his predictions that liberals would award it to a woman. A mini-FBI, if you will. Or will Andy gracefully admit error and overzealous presumption? And what will happen to cp:Liberal claptrap based on Fields Medal?? ONE / TALK 08:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

My WP page says "TBD". Are you also predestinating the futurama before it happened? ħumanUser talk:Human 09:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
That's the 2014 one. ONE / TALK 10:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
For extra laughs, the communist Vietnam-trained mathematician did his post-school studies at the Ecole Normale Supérieure in France and obtained his PhD from Universite Paris-Sud. He's also a naturalised French citizen. But yeah, those nasty Commie Frenchies with the socialised medicine and refusing to believe Bush's lies about Iraq... --PsyGremlin말하십시오 09:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I was about to post something similar. Typically the liberals have made a political award though; what with the left's current love of anything Israel they've given a gong to an Israeli, and as you point out the communist Ngô Bảo Châu based in his liberal ivory tower in that bastion of liberalism New Jersey has also received one. Hopefully the ConservaMath medals, due out today I believe, will set us straight on where the real credit should go. MaxAlex Swimming pool 09:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
"The rim bears the name of the prizewinner." Well, so much for the lack of gossip and immorality. ħumanUser talk:Human 09:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
My predication, Andy: A woman didn't win because women are bad at math. Andy never loses! --Night Jaguar (talk) 10:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Can we make it thing where instead of "Assfly" we call him "Andy 'I Despise Women' Schlafly"? More accurate. --sloqɯʎs puɐ suƃısuɐɪɹɐssoʎ 11:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
TK, of course I am also MarcoT2. Did you really believe for a second that there were TWO people in Italy who had heard of your website? By the way, good job protecting a useless, outdated, arrogant article by your master Andy. What exactly is its purpose except show to the world your intellectual inferiority? Sincerely yours, --Maquissar (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC) PS: Who on earth is Leopedo?
You forget, you nasty liberal European you. CP is a conservative American encycloaedia, thus anybody from outside the US is immediately suspected of inserting liberal multi-culturism into articles. Add to that the fact that TK(Hello sailor!) is an utter moron, and you get that you are all Italians, Sid is all Germans and I am all Africans and/or Japanese, depending on who you talk to over there. --PsyGremlinParla! 13:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh-oh... I think MartinC is trying to get banned too! No one edits the sacred word of Andy, not even when he's making an ass of himself! --Maquissar (talk) 13:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Come on, everyone, make accounts and edit the Fields Medal article :P Let's give TK some work! --Maquissar (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy: "Half of the recipients of this morning's Fields Medal are communist-trained mathematicians."img Commies! They're commies! WTF? Is Andy stuck in the 1950's? --Night Jaguar (talk) 13:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
In Soviet Russia zero divides by YOU! - π 14:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Also, what's with "None of the highest-achieving American or British mathematicians were selected." I thought the British were weak at math? --Night Jaguar (talk) 13:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
They've probably gotten bored of saying we're weak at maths. Raging (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I notice they call the Fields Medal "once the most coveted award in mathematics". Is it not anymore? Or are they, perchance, referencing its usurpation by the ConservaMath Medal? DickTurpis (talk) 14:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't wait for the CBP to yield the phrase "The NIV, once the most coveted version in Bibles," ONE / TALK 14:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Or "Wikipedia, once the most popular wiki encyclopaedia"... --Maquissar (talk) 14:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
To be fair the wolf prize does come with a bigger purse($100K.) and the Abel with nearly a million. --Opcn (talk) 19:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Pavlov's CP Senior Admin

I see Terry Koeckritz is on a block/delete/burn/pillage rampage again over there. I'm guessing he's pissed off about something. I wonder what it could be? --PsyGremlin말하십시오 13:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I pissed him off. Well, my sock MarcoT2 did, actually. First I politely noted on the Liberal claptrap based on Fields Medal talk page that the article was outdated, because what they predicted did not come to pass. He blanked the page. Then I edited the page and changed every tense: "Here is a growing list of liberal claptrap that could have been expected had the Fields Medal -- once the most coveted award in mathematics -- been awarded on Thursday, August 19th based on politics rather than merit:" ... after which he decided to revert my edits and block me. :) --Maquissar (talk) 13:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
And once again he manages to mention the unmentionable "vandal site." What a masterful little troll he is. --PsyGremlinPrata! 13:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
No need to start a manhunt against me and block every IP from Italy anyway, TK... if I burned my sock so gratuitously it's because I'm fed up with your website and I don't plan to waste any more time with it :) --Maquissar (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Screencap of oversighted edit. - π 13:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Not WIGO-worthy, but an interesting omission

Jpatt accurately points out that a national math competition has banned homeschoolers.

He leaves out a key fact: gifted public school students were being labeled as home schooled.

Now, you can quite reasonably argue banning home schoolers was an over-reaction to the problem (I don't know enough to comment), but leaving out the reason for the ban really distorts the story. MDB (talk) 13:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

IMO, the omission is that only teams of homeschoolers were banned, they still can take part individually.... larronsicut fur in nocte 13:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Fair point, though the article argues that's a pretty major limitation. On the other paw, the article is hardly from an unbiased source. MDB (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
According to their rules, teams can only be formed from within each school. If you'd allow homeschoolers to set up teams of their own, they'd have an unfair advantage, because they could team up in any way they'd like. From hundreds of thousands of homeschoolers in the relevant age range, you could assemble a couple of ace teams that no public school could match. Röstigraben (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, yeah, but they could get around that easily -- for instance, require each home school team to come from some defined, reasonably sized, geographic area. MDB (talk) 14:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Maybe they had such rules in place, but it would be much harder to verify if individual homeschoolers meet these requirements than to simply require real schools to hand in copies of their participants' student IDs. With all the cheating that apparently went on, I can understand that they feel like they're not up to that task and just solved the problem by banning homeschool teams outright. It's a shame we won't get to see Team ConservaMath in action, though. Röstigraben (talk) 14:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I think that its fair to say that, no matter how you feel about homeschooling, the homeschooled kids got screwed because someone else was cheating, and that sucks. MDB (talk) 14:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't care much for homeschooling, although certainly not all of the parents do it so they can indoctrinate their kids, and some might even be able to provide them with a much better education than they'd get at a public school. But the homeschoolers aren't screwed, they can still compete as individuals, and they're just forbidden from setting up teams on an arbitrary basis - even if they sticked by rules like the ones you mentioned, what's the point in forming a team of pupils who each received a different education from his or her parents? When a school team performs well, it's indicative that the teachers they share are doing a good job, but the performance of a motley group of homeschoolers doesn't really tell you anything. Röstigraben (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Dear Karajou...

... OK, it's every American's right to get all their news from the wackaloon fringe interweb sites like newsbusters. But could you at least read and understand it before getting your outrage on. Thanks. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 17:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

What a fucking idiot. --Leotardo (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Karajou is easily the angriest and most likely the dumbest CP regular. I've never seen someone so blinded by rage. Occasionaluse (talk) 17:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Nuh uh. Uncle Ed may not be angry, but when it comes to dumb... fuhgettaboutit. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 17:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I agree that Ed is the most stupid, but Karajou's rage causes major brain lapses. --Leotardo (talk) 18:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't wait for the klassic karajerk response to this. I'm not sure he can ignore it, but I don't think he is a big enough man to admit he's wrong. I'm trying to guess what he'll "order" the unsuspecting user to do. EDIT: Jpatt fixed it. :( Occasionaluse (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
For certain values of "fixed." JPratt has failed to notice the central point of the news item is now totally demolished. "CNN has guest on who has dumbshit opinion. Film at 11." --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
The difference between Creepy Ed and Koward is where Ed is aggressively stupid, Koward is aggressive and stupid. --Kels (talk) 18:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a strange situation. Simmons has a big mouth, but what he said here is basically what the default position on the left AND right would be if any group other than some dirty Muslins wanted to build a community center at that site. It makes me sad that the Newsbusters article needs only quote this guy expressing a perfectly reasonable position for it to appear as editorializing since people of conscience have become so painfully sensitive to the kind of hate that's implied merely when the right even mentions us. I can only imagine how poorly this serves us overseas. I mean really. This country was founded as a place for these very religious zealots' ancestors to escape persecution. These protections are written into the very fabric of our national being. Yet it's somehow OK (for a fucking Democrat Senator no less) to say, "no no no, we're not saying they don't have a right to build that mosque, it just wouldn't be respectful to the Christians (since we blame dirty dirty Islam for all terrorism everywhere" when the entire reason American Muslims find themselves in this position is that the knee jerk reaction of these fundie assholes is to exclude anyone and everyone who's different and engage in the worst kind of genetic fallacy blame a religion (!) for terrorism. I mean fuck me. Do these people not see the writing on the wall? They were subjected to the same shit hundreds of years ago and this very lesson should have been nearly a decade ago when we started trying to figure out how to handle the rhetoric we use in even referring to our imperialist conquest of the Middle East. Hint: crusade is a bad word. Fuck me. Nutty Rouxnever mind 18:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Otto von Hapsburg wrote an editorial maybe ten years ago in which he made the point that, being part of a family with several centuries of experience in making history, he had had to learn a lot about history, and his conclusion was that: "The more we learn of history, the more we learn from history that no one learns from history." I think that sentiment is very appropriate in this "debate". We just don't remember our lessons, and rarely bother to go back to check and see how various situations worked out in the past. Instead, we keep on making the same mistakes based on the same faulty thinking, the same misinformation, the same fears, and so on. It is sad, but that's humanity for you. (and not to be too anal, but it's "Democratic", not "Democrat" Senator. Really, though, it is Harry Reid, who has a backbone made of jello). Kaalis (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
And that is very similar to Hegel - "What experience and history teach is this — that nations and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted upon any lessons they might have drawn from it". However, one of my favourite quotes about history is "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain (allegedly). Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 22:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
And then there is Karl Marx: "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, and second as farce." Also rather appropriate in an age of the Tea Party. Kaalis (talk) 22:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Just for extra laughs, doomed editor says, "Please be careful, there's no way Simmons could be a CNN reporter." TK, "Nope, ayhuh, I don' see no nothin' wrong wid dat. It aint'nt confusing me, no siree."img Because, as you know, the one thing CP sysops have in common with the Pope is covering up child abuse infallibility. --PsyGremlinParla! 11:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Futurology: You fail at it. (Or: It doesn't add up)

Prediction: Once a woman and a communist-trained mathematician are announced as the winners on Thursday, expect a torrent of nonsensical tributes in the lamestream media.

Reality: About 40 stories in total. Mostly from the Israeli and Vietnamese press, plus popular science sites.

Who knew the world could be so totally uninterested in the proceedings of mathematicians? Oh, right. Everyone but the Assfly, who thinks that big celebrity mathematics professors swing elections with their endorsements. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait for the next edition of Heat magazine. I'm sure they'll soon be adding a section dealing with news from the world of mathematics. Concernedresident omg!!! ponies!!! 22:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't wait for OK! or Hello to feature the weddings and families of celebrity mathematicians. I bet mathematicians also have some really neat tattoos. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 09:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Mathematical tattoos. And I have a friend who has the hexadecimal values of his daughter's name in ASCII tattooed on his arm. MDB (talk) 10:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I can't wait for the celebrity mathematician sex tapes. "Oh yeah, baby. Stick your manifold perpendicular to my plane. Right there!" --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 10:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
That assumes mathematicians ever have sex, or would know what to do if offered the chance. For instance, this story I have no doubt is one hundred true...

A graduate student of mathematics who used to come to the university on foot every day arrives one day on a fancy new bicycle. "Where did you get the bike from?" his friends want to know."It's a `thank you' present", he explains, "from that freshman girl I've been tutoring. But the story is kind of weird..." "Tell us!" "Well", he starts, "yesterday she called me on the phone and told me that she had passed her math final and that she wanted to drop by to thank me in person. As usual, she arrived at my place riding her bicycle. But when I had let her in, she suddenly took all her clothes off, lay down on my bed, smiled at me, and said: `You can get from me whatever you desire!'"

One of his friends remarks: "You made a really smart choice when you took the bicycle."

"Yeah", another friend adds, "just imagine how silly you would have looked in girls clothes - and they wouldn't have fit you anyway!"

MDB (talk) 11:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Makes me think of the time there were a group of undergrads in our tea room, don't know what they were there for but they had free food. I bumped into a girl that was in one of my tutorial when she was in first year. I was chatting to her for a while and she quite candidly admitted to wearing low cut tops and pushing the girls up because it got her better grades and more individual attention from tutors, especially when she was doing a few comp sci subjects. - π 11:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
An acquaintance of mine used to teach college level physics, and claims to have slept with some of his students. He says that, as long as there wasn't a "sex for grades" trade going on, his university didn't care. Note that this acquaintance isn't the most trustworthy person I know, however. MDB (talk) 12:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I have never really have heard of that going on in my department, the only one I have heard of was several years before my time and it is still uncommon enough of an event that people mention it years later. Most of the postgrads seem partnered up already, so I guess it does not really become an issue. Even fairly banal things like a lecture who is married to one of their former PhD students tends to raise an eyebrow. - π 12:18, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
'And I have a friend who has the hexadecimal values of his daughter's name in ASCII tattooed on his arm.' Reminds of an old joke - there are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. 92.2.93.96 (talk) 11:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The only other related joke I know is - Did you hear about the mathematician who got constipation? He worked it out with a pencil. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 12:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Two young men were trying to decide whether to study math or engineering, so they went to visit an engineering professor. They asked him how to decide what they should study, and he said, "I'll give you a very simple test. You walk into a room, and in the center of room is the most beautiful girl in the world, so lovely you must immediately rush up and kiss her. There's a problem, though -- with each step, you can only cover half the remaining distance between you and her. What do you do?"

The first young man replied, "You can never reach her", so the professor said "go talk to the head of the math department."

There's two options for the second young man's response:

  • "Kiss? Girl? I don't understand."

or

  • "Well, in theory, you can never reach her... but you can get close enough for all practical purposes!"

In either case, the professor said, "welcome to the college of engineering!" MDB (talk) 13:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I going to rework that into a pure/applied maths joke for my students/the puries. - π 13:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Liberals are smug jerks

Lil' P-Schlaf added a comical bit to Main about Popular Science reporting scientific evidence that liberals are "smug jerks". I didn't explore the link, as this evidence is apparently embedded in a photo caption of picture 7. I didn't bother. But I found it hysterical coming from a site that puts a retarded table about the IQ of liberals being 0 divided by 60. I wonder if Phyllis is embarrassed by her father. Jeeves in one of the threads above mentions that she removed that dumb table her dad put up, and then Andy oversighted her removal of it! --Leotardo (talk) 05:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Dividing zero by a nonzero number is a legitimate mathematical operation- it just produces 0. Dividing a number by zero, however, is undefined. --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 05:21, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
We know, but just because it's a legitimate mathematical operation doesn't mean it's not both smug and retarded. --GTac (talk) 08:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Smug jerks are smug jerks, regardless of political or religious affiliation. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 09:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
If smug means "not a fuckin' right wing wanker" then yes, I'm smug and smug about bein' smug. (possibly also a jerk?) 10:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Pfft dividing by zero is fine, so long as you aren't stuck in some puny intuitive system like real number arithmetic. Nobody here has a problem with the imaginary numbers, right? So why not go from a commutative ring to a wheel, defining division by zero in the process? 82.69.171.94 (talk) 11:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure that's something which has been proposed by republic-trained mathematicians, but was ultimately censored by liberal bias in academia. Occasionaluse (talk) 12:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

TK on NZ.....

What the fuck are Mori's?img AceX-102 08:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Native pollsters or possibly Asian immigrants. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 09:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
When the moon hits the sky, like a big pizza pie, that's... a Mori! --GTac (talk) 10:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
GTac FTW! AceX-102 11:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I thought the same but it should be "... hits your eye ..." Eggsellent though. 11:07, 20 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I would say he's referring to Maoris, but misspelled it, but, if he is, then what he's actually saying makes no sense. Unless, of course, TK thinks that the Maoris aren't really part of New Zealand society at all? 92.2.93.96 (talk) 11:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing TK watched "Once Were Warriors" (which was flippin' AWESOME!) and bases his entire opinion of NZ on that. Or he's trying to make some nasty comment about segregation, whilst conveniently forgetting "Reservations." --PsyGremlin말하십시오 11:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Of course he could be thinking of "Moria" bein' as tLOtR was filmed there. 12:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
It is the "less talk" principal of dropping unnecessary liberal vowels.--115.117.154.186 (talk) 12:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
First they came for the 'U's, and I said nothing; then they came for the 'A's and I started to get confused. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 12:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Confsed, surely? Unless you're part of the resistance smuggling vowels into Bosnia? Gaurds! Seize him! --PsyGremlin講話 12:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
No leave him - he's probably smuggling vowels into Wales: they could do with 'em. 12:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I have a stockpile of English vowels hidden where nobody can find them. If Plaid Cymru ever decides to secede I will hand them round to all the right-thinking people in our lane; we outnumber the Taffs by 4 to 1. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 17:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I think his problem is more fundamental then that. In modern usage, including a macron for the a in Maori is often encouraged as it's a long vowel hence wikipedia:Māori (see wikipedia for example). TK probably copied this but then panicked since he couldn't use such an evil French looking character so just removed it all together and ended up with Mori. He may also have been confused by half remembered bullshit tales of the wikipedia:Moriori Nil Einne (talk) 15:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Random musing

Why does Ken's new essayimg remind me of the quote "A theologian is like a blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn't there - and finding it!"? - π 14:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Thisimg defiantly reminds me of this. - π 14:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is his whole "proof and evidence that atheism is true" meme wrong. Maybe it's the use of the word true. I think I know what he's trying to say, but - as with all things Ken - it's an epic fail. And I wish he'd fucking learn that 1 picture does not an essay make. --PsyGremlin話しなさい 14:16, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The "proof and evidence that atheism is true" is this friend's shockofgod's question he thinks "pwns" atheists, but fails basic logic. Proposition: The set A is empty, There is no proof that A is empty, therefore A in nonempty is such weak line of thought and doesn't show anything. The simplest way to show A is not empty is to find something in A. However all A-is-not-empty apologist evidence basically goes assume A is not empty, A is not empty therefore B, as B therefore A is not empty. - π 14:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Tofu fucking insane to believe.

So, I had a look at CP's Tofuimg article. Which contains the following: "Tofu is also high in isoflavones, chemicals with similar structure and properties as the female hormone estrogen. This has led to fears of possible feminizing effects of tofu and other soy products." The reference takes us to WND - Soy is making kids 'gay' - and Brother Roger - Tofu is feminizing. At least Roger is a bit sceptical about it. But WND's Jim Rutz looks like a whole new kind of loonie. --PsyGremlinParla! 14:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, he really is a total, total loony. He believes dozens of resurrections happen every day, for example. Only whirled nut daily would let him publish a book. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot. He also thinks the whole world is going to be Christian by 2030 or some such. Yeah, Loony. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Gay? Gay? I had heard that tofu causes spontaneous decapitation. Which one is it? Do I have to choose? Jimaginator (talk) 14:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Ed poor - disingenuous cunt

Wow! Creepy Uncle "Bad touch" Ed Poor really knows how to dodge a question:img

  • Ed: Show me proof of censorship.
  • RonLar: Here you go.
  • Ed: Oh before I can answer you, let's see if TK's going to block you.

Way to man up Ed. Ken must be loving your ma-CHEESE-mo. --PsyGremlinZungumza! 14:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

wow, that's really something to behold. First he shouts Bring itimg onimg, now he is hidingimg under TK's skirts. No doubt that not only Ed Poor, but also Andy Schlafly will be relieved when TK silences RonLar at last...
larronsicut fur in nocte 15:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Member of the site that dare not speak its name in 3... 2... 1... BANHAMMER! Monty.gif CS Miller (talk) 16:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
That's depressing, but not really new - SDG/TZB have made it crystal clear that TK may be a loose cannon who just covers up his completely random bans with some handwaving, but that Ed systematically tries to widen the gap between The Perfect Beings (a.k.a. Senior Sysops) and editors contributors. IIRC, Ed pushed for putting every new user on parole, suggested banning them if he doesn't deem their contribs worthy of his arbitrary standards, came up with the Writing Plan and stated that people at first don't even have the right to edit random articles (at the same time, it's been established that they also shouldn't jump into the controversial ones - Catch 22, anybody?). --Sid (talk) 17:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Of course what you should do is go to talk pages and ask about what edits you should or should not make first. Communication is the key. It's not like they ban people for making lots of edit to talkpages. Oh, wait- DickTurpis (talk) 19:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
And following up on the question-dodging, TK surprises everybody by- oh, who am I kidding...
TK at 4.05pm: *quietly removes the evidence* "Don't listen to him, Ed, he's a bad person, so obviously, the evidence is bad, too."img
Ed at 4:07pm: "About time I got an excuse to ignore this!"img
So lovely to see the Dynamic Duo working so smoothly together! --Sid (talk) 20:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

And...after TK answersimg predictably, Ed makes it all disappearimg. Censorship? What censorship? Junggai (talk) 20:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sniped by seconds! Curse you, Junggai! =P --Sid (talk) 20:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

(EC) this edit and the one before it... wow. Perfect blindness. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

More Karajou idiocy

Whoowhee, Popeye is so pissed off that the Koreans are calling a boat they stole their own, that Karajerk completely mangles the English language.img But what else would you expect on CP's borked news? --PsyGremlinSiarad! 14:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

dememoryholed. CS Miller (talk) 16:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so the press is censoring that this particular boat was stolen in 1968. Cool story bro. Nutty Rouxnever mind 15:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I like how he seems to endorse a state-controlled media with his headline. DickTurpis (talk) 16:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
It certainly gives you insight in to world according to Karajerk. Does he really think that US journalists ought to act as the propaganda arm of the government? In any case, stealing another country's boats and employing them yourself is a time honoured naval tradition. Why does Karajou hate seafarers?!? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Bad memories mist likely. EddyP (talk) 18:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
A funny story, not well WIGOed. since someone always has to fix what I fuck up when I WIGO someone else should just save a step and fix it. --Opcn (talk) 19:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Fields Medal women problem

Has Andy explained why his prediction of a female winning the Fields Medal didn't come true? It seems he has an obvious way out. Just say this scary French dude [9] is almost a woman because of his long hair, and that must be what the awarders thought. Incidentally CP (or perhaps it's only Andy) jumped on the 'communist-trained' bandwagon so hard they seem to have missed the fact that wikipedia:Ngô Bảo Châu nearly went to Hungary for his post secondary training but couldn't because the collapse of communism meant they stopped giving scholarships. So he went to France instead (who aren't communist but they are socialist French so I guess that's the problem). The other 'communist trained' wikipedia:Stanislav Smirnov started his undergraduate education around the time of the collapse of communism, went to the US for his Ph.D and has seemingly not been back to work in Russia since. Both of these would seem to be an example of people who may have failed in a communist system which CP could have jumped on but hey it's better to just demonise them as evil communist trained matmeticians stealing all the glory that rightfully belongs to born and bred Americans I guess. Nil Einne (talk) 15:16, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Il Duce Andy didn't make such a prediction friend, oh and we have always been at war with Eastasia. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 17:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy would never expect that from those misogynistic atheists. Big Brother invented the helicopter you know. --Opcn (talk) 18:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

What's the name for a self-centered, uncharitable person?

And who censors classroom prayer? According to Il Duce, you an atheistimg.

One edit later, Andy is putting his borken newses on main page left now? ħumanUser talk:Human 19:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Reading comprehension fail fail

The source seems to confirm that 500,000 jobs were lost that week. I think I've heard normal levels are between 300,000 and 400,000. The proposed 8-12k number is farcical. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Reading the source is hard after all, it seems. The number of first-time claims ROSE by 8k to 12k, but the magnitude is at ~500k. Still, oh those silly conservatives! 173.10.105.29 (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Exactly - apparently Occasionaluse also has reading comprehension problems as he made the exact same mistake Rob did. --Leotardo (talk) 19:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Are you fucking retarded? Are you telling me you think that in this economy only say, 4 out of 100,000 people lost their jobs last week? Occasionaluse (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Are you fucking retarded. This is from your own source: "In the week ending Aug. 14, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 500,000, an increase of 12,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 488,000. The 4-week moving average was 482,500, an increase of 8,000 from the previous week's revised average of 474,500." Is it really that hard to figure out that the number increased from the previous week from 488K to 500K? It's in the first paragraph. I also bolded the number for you, since you think in one week half a million people lost their jobs. --Leotardo (talk) 19:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Retard, there are 307,000,000 million people in the US. 500,000 lost their jobs last week. That's 16 out of 10000. Think about it. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
You clearly can't read fucking idiot. I wouldn't be so quick to call people retards and idiots when your own source shows an increase in unemployment claims was 12,000 over the previous week. --Leotardo (talk) 20:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
12,000 more than the 488,000 initial claims made in the previous week. Shoot yourself in the head. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind these are not net unemployment numbers, they are one half of the picture - lost jobs. One has to subtract the number of "found" jobs to get the net effect on total unemployment. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but these numbers aren't total unemployment, it's just for unemployment insurance claims, not total unemployment. --Leotardo (talk) 20:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. These idiots are so quick to think everything CP says is wrong that they can't think straight. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
GAH!!! Enough with the retard-talk. RobS wrote a douche-y headline, but his source DOES say there were ~500k first-time claims. Quibble with his headline-writing, but he's not WRONG. 173.10.105.29 (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Good Faith, Ed Poor style

  • DrewJ introducesimg himself, and Ed instantly assumes bad faithimg - while assuring Drew that he'll assume good faith! Yep, I bet Drew is already feeling welcome! :) --Sid (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)