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"Trolling shall be defined as edits made with the sole intention of attacking, disparaging or insulting individual users or the commuity at large, edits made with the intent of sowing discord among users, or edits made with the intent of undermining the stated objectives of the community." [[User:P-Foster|P-Foster]] ([[User talk:P-Foster|talk]]) 02:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 
"Trolling shall be defined as edits made with the sole intention of attacking, disparaging or insulting individual users or the commuity at large, edits made with the intent of sowing discord among users, or edits made with the intent of undermining the stated objectives of the community." [[User:P-Foster|P-Foster]] ([[User talk:P-Foster|talk]]) 02:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 
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see? just the way i wrote that made you mad but the content was real. it's so funny to troll you because you feed us so well. no rangeblocks, no bans, no indef blocks, just drama. i actually kind of like it because i can be an asshole and still be a somewhat active and respected person here when i'm nice but it's not practical for you to say let mc continue forever and ever. if grawp were active here you people would die fighting his bullshit. [[Special:Contributions/67.159.36.24|67.159.36.24]] ([[User talk:67.159.36.24|talk]]) 02:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
  
 
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Revision history

Please do not archive this section

For guidelines and their discussions that passed see Passed1 .

For guidelines and their discussions that did not pass see Superseded1.

For the rewrites and their discussions during January 2009, see the revamp and its talk page and archive, an early draft here, and further discussions here, plus the voting discussion.

Please start a separate sub-heading for each new guideline

Deletion, moving and merging votes

Currently it takes three sysops to agree to delete something, and fewer to move or merge articles. There's nothing written down anywhere finadable about this - should there be? Totnesmartin (talk) 17:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I didn't think we wanted any hard and fast rules on this. 3 was a rough guideline for what to do with something reasonably major. Scarlet A.pngpathetic 17:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

No protection of talk pages

I count myself, Nx, Broccoli, SR and Moriarty in favour and NU513 opposed. Can I put it back in now? EddyP (talk) 21:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Hold up. Let's at least talk about it first. Tetronian you're clueless 21:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Nx that not protecting talk pages is already implicit in the standards, but it should be made explicit. I'd put it in a different sentence though, rather than shoe-horning it into the current one about user space. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 21:47, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm willing to go along with these changes if we can agree to protect my talk page. — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 21:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Let's put it back (I think even NU is really in favour) Broccoli (talk) 21:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I would be willing to allow consideration of a short protection of a talk page given that edits to a user's talk page can trigger emails to that user. Nothing more than 30 minutes though. That might be one exception that could be added. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 21:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Talk page changes sending e-mails can be turned off in preferences. EddyP (talk) 22:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
What I'm most concerned with is people editing my user talk at night. Can I protect it only during night hours? Like some kind of mode that I can turn on? — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 21:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I remember reading somewhere that any kind of protection needed to be discussed first (except userspace, of course), but can't find where that is. -- Nx / talk 21:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Do we have 'consensus' yet? Broccoli (talk) 22:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, here's what I want to know: Those of you who are against protection talk pages, why are you against it? And those of you who are for allowing talk pages to be protected, why are you for it? I think that will get the discussion moving. Tetronian you're clueless 22:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Because the talk pages are places where we can discuss articles. If you can't post on a talk page, where can you post? EddyP (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
My user page isn't an article. — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:06, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
But how else are we supposed to talk to you? EddyP (talk) 22:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that you think you're privileged to talk to me, you would be able to talk to me on my talk page because you're a sysop. — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
We don't need to talk to you. We just need to ban you for life. Broccoli (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I knew it was only a matter of time before you reverted to your fascist impulses. If you don't want to talk, then why care if my talk page is protected? — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
FOR PROTECTION I refuse to be slandered and have my page vandalized while I'm not here to respond or correct it. I know you guys think you'll be on top of it and take good care of it, but honestly you're a bunch of derelicts that I wouldn't trust to water my cactus. My talk page and my reputation are important to me, and I won't have some shady bunch of numbers defame it or me. — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
You can protect your userpage. -- Nx / talk 22:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
And I can protect my user talk page, too. — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. user talk pages are community property, not private property. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
(EC) I vote against protection of talkpages, unless you provide an alternative place (Like a User:user/thisplace) for people to talk to you that isn't protected. I know I once protected my talkpage to unregistered editors for a week because it was a spambot target, but I provided a page for serious people to talk to me.. The Goonie 1 What's this button do? Uh oh.... 22:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
We don't censor here 'Neveruse'. Anyone is free to say anything they like about you on your talk page. Broccoli (talk) 22:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
My user talk page will inherently be about me and during daytime hours, I welcome your comments and questions. While I'm away, I won't trust you derelicts to keep it free from vandalism and slander. — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
EC.Perhaps there could be some explanation of why we are discussing this? As Human says, talk pages are public. RW policy has always been to avoid protection if possible - but I guess there is some incident which has started the discussion?--BobNot Jim 22:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
No, Neveruse was just bored and decided to troll. -- Nx / talk 22:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I can agree with the spiky-head on this one. If your talk page becomes a target of a spambot or some jilted BoN it seems only fair to save yourself the trouble of reverting/re-reverting this stuff. The only problem with the alternate page is that the little message thingy doesn't pop up when you have a message, and the only way you'll know if someone is attempting contact is constantly checking the RC. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 22:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Or by putting it on your watchlist, which I did when I created mine. Lord of the Goons The official spikey-haired skeptical punk 22:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
(ECx2) The alleged user 'Neveruse' is just filling up the troll-quotient. We should have MC back. He isn't really a troll. Broccoli (talk) 22:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

How some of you get so worked up over a little trolling (even when you know I'm trolling you!) never ceases to amaze me, which is why I will continue to occasionally troll you. Learn to ignore me or learn to take yourselves a little less seriously. Serious business wiki parody over. — Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

(ECx10,000) (Ignoring the bit about trolling) Neveruse, what exactly are you afraid of? If someone blanks your talk page obviously we will deal with it. If they just say something insulting, that's their right and nobody should revert it. Tetronian you're clueless 22:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Why is it that when someone confesses to trolling, we let them keep trolling? EddyP (talk) 22:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
This community requires regular trolling. We'd get bored without it. Broccoli (talk) 22:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Regardless of the trolling, I think this issue is worth discussing. Obviously article talk pages should never be protected, but user talk pages are a bit different, because of the constant annoyance from the orange box/email. -- Nx / talk 22:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
So how about 'don't protect user talk pages without first setting up some other page for people to contact/abuse you on'? Broccoli (talk) 22:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
As I said before, the orange box/e-mail can be easily disabled using 'my preferences'. EddyP (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Why not just make a template that clearly states the user can't/won't respond to any comments or questions because they've quit, or something? AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
The email can be disabled; the orange box can't. And that's not the point. If user A is causing a large amount of disruption to user B, should it really be user B's responsibility to change the way they want to view the site to stop it? A brief period of protection may be in order, from my POV, but I'd like to hear other opinions. Certainly, the length of protection we've seen so far is out of order. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 22:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Protection from concerted wandalism/spambots makes sense, but sysops protecting pages on a whim makes little sense. Broccoli (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the vegetable above me. The Spikey Punk I'm punking my punk! 23:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely. It shouldn't be done on a whim, ever. A consistent, sustained period of wandalism or bot interference should probably warrant a brief block though. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 23:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

No protection of talkpages does seem like a good rule and I would support it, but I remember an occasion were Fall down and Mei were edit warring on my talk page over the level of a comments indentation. I got so sick of seeing that yellow box I semi-protected my talk page for an hour, so I think no locking of talkpages, should have a common sense exception. - π 23:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

In other words, we don't need to make a separate protection rule for talkpages - the same policy should apply as with articles: avoid protecting at all, but do it occasionally & temporarily where there is a real need for it. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Blocking section needs updating

The option to allow a blocked user to edit their talk page contradicts what this page says ("if the blockee is not a sysop, they have no way of protesting [the block]") -- Nx / talk 03:46, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, I would like to add that we should make an exception for spambots, as they are typically undeterred by the vandal brake,as they are set to edit at a certain rate that is usually less than once per 30 minutes. It doesn't need to be a permaban, just one long enough to disrupt the program. Lord Goonie Hooray! I'm helping! 03:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Dealing with threats

I think we need to have a discussion and a plan in place for dealing with situations where a user makes a specific threat of harm to themselves or another person. Vague, non-specific, trolling posts, are probably best dealt with through deletion (and oversite if particularly bad) and then ignoring them.

But if there is any credibility to the threat it is probably not a good idea to ignore it. Wikipedia which has more experience with this than hopefully we ever will has several policy discussions (see here and here). The gist of it is removal of the offending material, limiting editing/contact with the individual, and using administrative tools to locate the user and contact local authorities who are in a better situation to assess the issue and chose a response.

One issue we have is that there are only 2 people on the site who have anyway of discovering the IP address and location of a user. We do not have checkuser installed so there is no way to expand on that either. One potential solution is to bite the bullet and activate checkuser, giving it to a small number of people who would only use it for emergency situations.

There maybe a lot of other ways to handle it as well. Just seems like a conversation the community should have. tmtoulouse 13:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I had a lot of involvement in the Wikipedia method developing. Basically, the idea is that deciding the sincerity of such a thing is WAY outside the competence of pretty much anyone on the site - so contacting the authorities is the way to go. It's also one of the few circumstances in which one can just release an IP to someone else (the police or the ISP). If they're in sincere trouble, then getting the authorities to them is good - and if they're trolling, then having the police show up and ask them not to be silly is also good ;-)
It's different here to Wikipedia because this is a tiny wiki/forum/thing where we know each other virtually (200 editors any month), not a huge thing the size of a small city (135,000 editors any month). But I think the principle is basically sensible.
And, y'know, in such circumstances I'd rather be trolled than not act when I could have - David Gerard (talk) 13:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
The above is addressing threats of harm to oneself, not to others - David Gerard (talk) 13:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Even with checkuser enabled it doesn't mean that you would be able to locate someone. Not everybody has a permanent individual IP.  Lily Inspirate me. 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Unless the person is behind a proxy that will refuse to provide information to authorities it is always possible to find someone. ISPs can give the account information of the user who had a given IP address at a specific time. The point though isn't for us to worry about that, but rather be prepared to know what we should do given a particular circumstance. tmtoulouse 14:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Another point that I think we should decide is that suggestions that individuals will harm themselves in some way will always be treated as real.--BobSpring is sprung! 14:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I did one where I emailed the ISP (cc WMF) with "this person on this IP at this time from your ISP has posted this suicide note, do please contact their local police" - David Gerard (talk) 14:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Not linking to Nazis

"This is so we don't contribute to driving up their standing in search engine results." But ... we nofollow external links by default! So this doesn't actually apply. Is there any other reason not to link to Nazis? (I'm thinking specifically of European Union Times, where the links are references) - David Gerard (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh but of course! Someone might go there and read what they say. Imagine if everyone had read and analyzed Mein Kampf before WWII. Certainly there would have been more believers then disbelievers. ;-) Lumenos (talk) 21:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I tried reading that thing in high school. I lasted about five pages - David Gerard (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
No need to read it now. Racism, genocide, etc, is new and improved. Lumenos (talk) 23:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nx's edit to the blocking section...

Nx, read your edit out loud: "The purpose of the vandal bin is to avoid the problems of blocking (specifically, that if the blockee is not a sysop, they can't continue to vandalize and troll, except on their talk page)." So the "problem of blocking" is that vandals/trolls "can't continue to vandalize and troll..."? How exactly is that a problem? P-Foster (talk) 16:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, because we like to feed the trolls and revert vandalism. It makes us feel manly. -- Nx / talk 16:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Stop being a smartass/using a community page as a way to vent your spleen. If you don't like how things are working--a justifiable complaint--this (edit warring w/MC over a completely nonsensical edit) really isn't the most productive way of handling it. P-Foster (talk) 16:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Who said I wanted to be productive? -- Nx / talk 16:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
It's often assumed that bureaucrats have been allowed this privilege because the owner felt they were capable of being "productive" in one way or another. Lumenos (talk) 00:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not a bureaucrat. -- Nx / talk 00:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry. I thought you were way back when. Now I don't know. Lumenos (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh I see "Nx" apparently demoted yourself: 21:16, 3 June 2010 Nx (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:Nx from Bureaucrats and Sysops to (none) ‎ (Abuse)
Great show! Hum but then there were rumors of squabbles with Human and Hoover? I'm not sure who will re-promote you. Lumenos (talk) 02:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Why use the vandal bin instead of blocking?

-- Nx / talk 17:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

[1] P-Foster (talk) 17:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes I see that, but my question was: WHY use the vandal bin instead of blocking? -- Nx / talk 17:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I dunno Nx. Tell you what--why don't you pull some poorly-written, poorly-constructed piece of prose out of your ass and throw it on the page all by your lonesome and then edit-war whenver someone objects to a unilateral change to the community standards page? That seems like the best way to handle it. P-Foster (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I can't think of any reason to keep using the vandal bin other than being able to play with trolls. -- Nx / talk 17:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

People on page-blanking spreees? P-Foster (talk) 17:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

THOSE ARE VALUABLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BE RATIONAL WE'RE TURNING INTO CP ARGHGGHHGHGHSHSHGHGHG!!!! --Kels (talk) 17:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, because vandal binning them will prevent them from blanking the page (except every 30 minutes), while blocking them is completely ineffective. -- Nx / talk 17:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
If I remember right, the rationale was that blocking someone encourages socking to get around the block, but putting a 30-minute restriction on them doesn't. Apparently that's enough to prevent someone from taking 30 seconds to sock up and not be restricted at all. It goes back to the idea of engaging with wandals and trolls, rather than just blocking them and doing something enjoyable instead. Or paranoia about being accused of being like CP. Or something. --Kels (talk) 17:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I think that we've been through this before. Blocking people has generally been against our "free speech" ethos. In part this was because of the original reaction against CP's blocking style. But if this now needs to be changed then it should be as a result of a site-wide discussion. The mobocracy does not give an individual editor the right to change these standards because they believe their views are obviously right.
Having said that, it is possible that we may need other forms of decision making mechanisms. At the moment some editors seem to think that the quickest way of making changes is simply doing them and the surviving the ensuing HCM - this may not be the best system. --BobSpring is sprung! 18:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
What Bob said. This would be a pretty major change to how things are handled, & trying to implement it just by making changes to this page ain't gonna take. If you're serious about it, open a forum thread & announce it on the intercom so that everyone knows what's being proposed. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Bob is far too reasonable to survive in this cesspit. The reality is that a small cadre/elite are forming a leadership faction by themselves, eschewing consensus or discussion, instead intent on creating rules and policies, making templates and screwing around with presentation like a wikipedia fanboy on an internet camp summer holiday. And the worst thing is that you simply allowed this to happen, because you are too spineless, because you are too indifferent to liberal values, to rationalism, instead embracing authoritarianism and a disgraceful oligarchy. Who is at the center of this conspiracy? J'accuse Nx, the man who ruined Rationalwiki and who is intent on making this a mirror site of wikipedia for the kind of editors over there who are virgins and irritating little shits, what with their constant meme perpetuation and sexually frustrated hysterical-isms. (EX- PFoster) 74.63.112.147 (talk) 18:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I was merely pointing out that the sentence "if the blockee is not a sysop, they have no way of protesting it" was false. And, since I'm just a troll, I'd rather just point out why the current policy is stupid instead of trying to fix it. -- Nx / talk 18:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Our BON above may have the objective of creating dissent. However, anything which changes the thrust of the community standards really should be debated first. While it may seem obvious to the individual editor a note saying "I intend to change this." might be a better way to proceed. --BobSpring is sprung! 18:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
RWW has an apt description: "It’s like being blocked, except RW sysops can pretend they are better than Conservapedia." http://rationalwikiwiki.org/wiki/Vandal_bin -- Nx / talk 18:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
RWW may, or may not, be correct - but changes to CS should be debated.--BobSpring is sprung! 18:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok then, debate away. -- Nx / talk 18:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Nx. Chat-smiley.gif But the thing is that I'm not proposing a change. So I'm reluctant to make a suggestion about changes.--BobSpring is sprung! 19:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Your blocking policy is built on a premise that is no longer true (blocked user can't complain about their block) and the irrational fear of being labeled "just as bad as CP". Read this -- Nx / talk 22:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
David Gerard can certainly be added to the list of authoritarian wikipedians intent on ruining this site rational and liberal values. His behaviour is thoroughly perplexing. I reckon he is a spawn or automoton of Nx, and not a sentient person, because nobody could possibly be as despicable as him. 74.63.112.137 (talk) 19:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
We aim to please - David Gerard (talk) 19:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I must say, we're doing a bang-up job preventing the place from being overrun with bad-faith trolls and general disruption. Fight on, free speech warriors! --Kels (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

You're right Kels, RW is a most feared fortress in the Troll-Verse. Acei9 22:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Rewording to reflect reality

1. Nx is correct in pointing out what has become an error of fact, regarding blocked users generally being permitted to edit their talk page. However, the wordings I read during the part of the edit war I went through weren't the improvements needed.

2. The "Oh noes you been blocked" screen needs a few improvements. The one relative to this topic is it should specifically tell the blockee that they can edit their talk page, with a link to it, because they might not know. Perhaps they should also be able to edit the blocking sysop's talk page, too?

2b. The block message should also say who imposed the block and how long it is for, and also perhaps how much of it is left. Possibles? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed section for trolls

We really ought to settle our policy on how we handle trolls (or rather, a troll). Some people revert troll's edit on sight and block him for an hour or two. Other's feel that we should preserve our principles of openness and acceptance, and it's better to just ignore him. Whole mini-HCMs spring up just over whether or not we can revert his talk page edits.

My opinion is that we have tried to just ignore him—and we have failed. Like it or not, said troll has managed to corrupt numerous threads with his mere presence. I feel we cannot let this continue. So I am proposing an addition to the community standards detailing an official policy for handling trolls:

Trolls with an established history of maliciousness and bad faith edits can/will have their edits reverted on sight and their account and/or IP may be banned for up to one day.

--Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and for this one thread at least, if said troll does comment, can we please we move his comments into their own section. I don't want him to derail this thread, too, or for it to turn into yet another fight over revert-or-not-to-revert. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Reverting them means you are acknowledging them and that will just encourage them. -- Nx / talk 23:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Numbers needed to back this assertion - David Gerard (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
MC is still here. -- Nx / talk 00:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
MC would still be here anyway. Trolls are like that. - David Gerard (talk) 00:14, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
If the rule is "Marcus Cicero can just fuck off", possibly it should be stated in those terms. Generalising from a single example is a bad idea. i.e., get the Zionist Occupation Government to declare the troll known as MC is unwelcome; don't write it into the community rules, or you'll just get rules-lawyering - David Gerard (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Are you talking about the Loya Jirga? Should we get them to rule on this? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Them or whoever; I mean whoever has the power to declare such things - David Gerard (talk) 00:14, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Do you think I should go ahead and do that, or wait for others to weigh in here first? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
For trolls, MC in particular, I just vandal, revert, carry on with my day. Acei9 00:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but a few people feel we should leave their comments in—this is an attempt to hash out these two different approaches. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Why not use the roll-up template like WP has? It was very effective in derailing several substantive discussions at wp:Talk:Conservapedia lately. — Unsigned, by: RobSmith / talk / contribs
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My feeling would be why leave them in? Revert, ignore. That'd be my vote anyway. We already have enough sensless garbage. Acei9 00:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Some people are starting to remove Earthland's comments because they consider him a troll. And then you'll be just like CP. -- Nx / talk 00:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Nx, you are being a baby. I agree that EL's comments should not have been deleted but a user made them small on his own talkpage - you could have just left it at that as a compromise. Acei9 00:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I can understand why people would revert my comments, because I'm an abusive cunt, but Gerards reverting of Earthland and his weird justification (A mildly Maoist rattling off of purity, of those who belong and those who don't) is a terrible precedent and you'd be wise to see it. This is me with my serious hat on. And this is all I will have to say on the matter. I'm officially retired. 86.40.97.129 (talk) 01:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
We'll need a definition of some sort, and it has to be better than "I know one when I see one". And I'll say I disagree with the proposal, but I know that means I'm just not thinking of the children... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
"Trolling herein defined shall be anything misconstrued as supportive of the anti-science movement, Christian fundamentalism, or people we (the mob) just don't like." nobsdon't bother me 02:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

"Trolling shall be defined as edits made with the sole intention of attacking, disparaging or insulting individual users or the commuity at large, edits made with the intent of sowing discord among users, or edits made with the intent of undermining the stated objectives of the community." P-Foster (talk) 02:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I like it. Acei9 02:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

see? just the way i wrote that made you mad but the content was real. it's so funny to troll you because you feed us so well. no rangeblocks, no bans, no indef blocks, just drama. i actually kind of like it because i can be an asshole and still be a somewhat active and respected person here when i'm nice but it's not practical for you to say let mc continue forever and ever. if grawp were active here you people would die fighting his bullshit. 67.159.36.24 (talk) 02:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Blah blah blah

  • what about us? u can't block us on sight because sometimes we help u u ungrateful jerks! oh and for whoever stole our proxy FUCK UR MOM NIGGER FIND UR OWN PROXY! Cheerleader Vandal 20:08 5 June 2010 fuck you douchebag 67.159.36.20 (talk) 00:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
See, you're quite nice compared to MC - David Gerard (talk) 00:15, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
sometimes i'm nice right now i feel like being an asshole 67.159.36.22 (talk) 00:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)