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It occurred to me that nowhere have I really summarized [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/The_WikiIndex_Incident The WikiIndex Incident] in a serious way. Some "RationalWikian bureaucrats" and "Nx" where frustrating the administration of WikiIndex. I apparently frustrated Nx, and Human. If I helped WikiIndex, perhaps my way was a bit more complex than necessary. I don't really know if I helped or only annoyed the good people, whoever they may be. [[User:Lumenos|~ That blind moron]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 16:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC) | It occurred to me that nowhere have I really summarized [http://lumeniki.referata.com/wiki/The_WikiIndex_Incident The WikiIndex Incident] in a serious way. Some "RationalWikian bureaucrats" and "Nx" where frustrating the administration of WikiIndex. I apparently frustrated Nx, and Human. If I helped WikiIndex, perhaps my way was a bit more complex than necessary. I don't really know if I helped or only annoyed the good people, whoever they may be. [[User:Lumenos|~ That blind moron]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 16:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
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+ | ==Concern troll== | ||
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+ | That {{u|Lumenos}} be treated as a [[Concern troll]]. (S)He apparently has our benefit at heart but is totally unable to express her/himself in a manner which is understandable to the majority. Her/His use of multiple pages in her/his user (& user:talk) spaces is at least confusing and at worst disruptive of any coherent discourse. Her/His unfamiliarity with RW rules on interfering with "talk" comments and apparent disdain for our community standards is distracting and contrary to RW's modus operandi. 10:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC) [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] | ||
+ | :Isn't a concern troll someone who is only pretending to care about your benefit or something? I'm not so much worried about "your benefit", but rather the philosophical truth and the mission of this wiki. Could you be a concern troll, without knowing it? | ||
+ | :I don't recall having any problem with the "Community Standards" page, since it was altered to remove the prohibition against linking to white racist sites. What "community standards" do you think that I disdain? | ||
+ | :What talk comment did I "interfere with"? | ||
+ | :Where can I see your rules on talk comments, and who supports these? Do you realize this is exactly the problem I was addressing? That the [[User:Lumenos/Debate_Map:Measuring_consensus#Using_subpages_to_show_supporters.2Fdetractors_of_.22Community_Standards.22|Community Standards page does not reflect many of the the community standards]]. | ||
+ | :[[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 10:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::[[RationalWiki:Newcomers#What_can_I_do_with_my_user_page.3F]] 11:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC) [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] | ||
+ | :::I read it. I don't know how I have broken any of those rules exactly. If anything I corrected the indentation from when Human moved my comment. [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 11:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::He is a troll, he likes to argue with people. Stop feeding him. He will continue to annoy you for a while, then he'll copy over stuff to his wiki and continue to "argue" with you there (liberal last wordism?), and you'll be rid of him. [[Special:Contributions/89.132.239.149|89.132.239.149]] ([[User talk:89.132.239.149|talk]]) 11:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::When I did what? Lumenos is a clueless drifter, and I think Susan might be correct. {{User:Human/sig|}} 11:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::As I recall, when we were editing on the community standards talk page, I created a section and you deleted this section and indented the comment. Do you remember that? [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 11:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::Diff please. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 11:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::I've been looking for it, but I'm not sure someone hasn't removed it from my view. How many users here are able to do this? Apparently Nx has similar powers to edit the database, and he acts like he hates me after the WikiIndex incident. [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 12:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::::Fuck you are paranoid. If you remove an edit it leaves a place card saying here is a deleted edit. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 12:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::I don't know you and I don't know how this wiki is run. When you wrote that you read the entire archive of the community standards talk page and made it sound like this is to be expected (I don't know if you're serious) but that seems kinda obsessed with this wiki. Would it be horribly scandalous if the powers that be completely removed something from edit histories? I often wonder if some of your "trolls" are people like Nx (who says he is a troll on his user page now). Does he get the concern troll treatment, whatever that is? [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 13:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::::I'm not surprised a) that it happened - Human gets away with a lot; b) that you can't find it - you've made so many damn stupid edits on so many damn stupid pages. Nx =/= troll: he's done some fucking really useful things here - name one that you've done. 13:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC) [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::::::Why don't we ask CP how "productive" RW editors have been to them? I wasn't being critical of Nx for being a "troll", I thought more that he was ridiculing the crabs. [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 16:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::::::::::He thinks Human altered one of his edits and then used show/hide to hide it from him. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 13:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::::::::::::er ... Bollocks! 13:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC) [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::::::::He thinks I think Human altered one of his edits and then used show/hide to hide it from him. [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 13:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::::::::::::::That makes no sense. I was referring to you in the third person, so you should change the references to yourself to be in the first. Is English your first language? {{User:Π/Sig|}} 13:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::::::::::You are correct. You made sense of it. I start to get sloppy when we are not arguing about something that seemed important and this page is so cluttered, I don't know who would want to read it. Maybe for others it is much more interesting than the debate map. [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 15:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
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+ | :::::::::::::Yes, I for one would be pissed if someone completely removed an edit for no good reason. You have been here discussing policy for over a week now, you must be gaining some insight into how it is run. We aim for as few rules and regulations as possible and have an open editing ethos. We also leave talkpages as untampered as possible, nut recently we have had a trolling problem and it is now generally excepted that you may remove a comment if it is excessively vulgar and attacking a person. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 13:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::I've seen many of the edits that have been deleted. You know what goes on, I think. It must be difficult when a wiki is founded by "trolls", then they want to get rid of the people who clutter up talk pages with their stupid opinions. [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 13:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::::::::Are we talking about the comments which are attacking another editor or actual deletions? {{User:Π/Sig|}} 13:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::::Marcus or whoever posted that thing on my talk page and it was reverted. It wasn't attacking me. [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 16:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::He's not been ''discussing'' anything. He's been rambling away incomprehensibly. 13:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC) [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] | ||
+ | :::::::::::::::The bit that annoys me is I explained the "rules" really succinctly at the top of this page and he is still confused. He seems to be under the impression that there is some big set of rules being hidden from him, rather than following the above 4 points through to their conclusion. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 13:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::::::This is one of the few posts here that I felt had much merit. I replied here (maybe an hour ago): [[User_talk:Lumenos/Debate_Map:Measuring_consensus#Π's rules]] [[User:Lumenos|~ Lumenos]] ([[User talk:Lumenos|talk]]) 15:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::Is this a variant of the [[Gish gallop]]? 12:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC) [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] | ||
+ | ::::::::::Possibly, if you suggest a good name I'll create a fun article on it, or take it to RationalWikiWiki. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 12:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::::The Lumenos labefactation. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 12:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::::::::::The Lumenous latrant. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 12:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::::::::::::;Distraction<nowiki>:</nowiki>: picking on a minor point and thus distracting from the main thrust. 12:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC) [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] | ||
+ | :::::::::::::::It has to be an alliteration. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 12:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC) |
Revision as of 16:48, 28 June 2010
See User_talk:Lumenos/Community_Standards_(Lumenos)
The WikiIndex incident
It occurred to me that nowhere have I really summarized The WikiIndex Incident in a serious way. Some "RationalWikian bureaucrats" and "Nx" where frustrating the administration of WikiIndex. I apparently frustrated Nx, and Human. If I helped WikiIndex, perhaps my way was a bit more complex than necessary. I don't really know if I helped or only annoyed the good people, whoever they may be. ~ That blind moron (talk) 16:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Concern troll
That Lumenos be treated as a Concern troll. (S)He apparently has our benefit at heart but is totally unable to express her/himself in a manner which is understandable to the majority. Her/His use of multiple pages in her/his user (& user:talk) spaces is at least confusing and at worst disruptive of any coherent discourse. Her/His unfamiliarity with RW rules on interfering with "talk" comments and apparent disdain for our community standards is distracting and contrary to RW's modus operandi. 10:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Isn't a concern troll someone who is only pretending to care about your benefit or something? I'm not so much worried about "your benefit", but rather the philosophical truth and the mission of this wiki. Could you be a concern troll, without knowing it?
- I don't recall having any problem with the "Community Standards" page, since it was altered to remove the prohibition against linking to white racist sites. What "community standards" do you think that I disdain?
- What talk comment did I "interfere with"?
- Where can I see your rules on talk comments, and who supports these? Do you realize this is exactly the problem I was addressing? That the Community Standards page does not reflect many of the the community standards.
- ~ Lumenos (talk) 10:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- RationalWiki:Newcomers#What_can_I_do_with_my_user_page.3F 11:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I read it. I don't know how I have broken any of those rules exactly. If anything I corrected the indentation from when Human moved my comment. ~ Lumenos (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- He is a troll, he likes to argue with people. Stop feeding him. He will continue to annoy you for a while, then he'll copy over stuff to his wiki and continue to "argue" with you there (liberal last wordism?), and you'll be rid of him. 89.132.239.149 (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- When I did what? Lumenos is a clueless drifter, and I think Susan might be correct. ħuman 11:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- As I recall, when we were editing on the community standards talk page, I created a section and you deleted this section and indented the comment. Do you remember that? ~ Lumenos (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Diff please. - π 11:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I've been looking for it, but I'm not sure someone hasn't removed it from my view. How many users here are able to do this? Apparently Nx has similar powers to edit the database, and he acts like he hates me after the WikiIndex incident. ~ Lumenos (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Fuck you are paranoid. If you remove an edit it leaves a place card saying here is a deleted edit. - π 12:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know you and I don't know how this wiki is run. When you wrote that you read the entire archive of the community standards talk page and made it sound like this is to be expected (I don't know if you're serious) but that seems kinda obsessed with this wiki. Would it be horribly scandalous if the powers that be completely removed something from edit histories? I often wonder if some of your "trolls" are people like Nx (who says he is a troll on his user page now). Does he get the concern troll treatment, whatever that is? ~ Lumenos (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not surprised a) that it happened - Human gets away with a lot; b) that you can't find it - you've made so many damn stupid edits on so many damn stupid pages. Nx =/= troll: he's done some fucking really useful things here - name one that you've done. 13:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- He thinks Human altered one of his edits and then used show/hide to hide it from him. - π 13:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- er ... Bollocks! 13:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- He thinks I think Human altered one of his edits and then used show/hide to hide it from him. ~ Lumenos (talk) 13:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- That makes no sense. I was referring to you in the third person, so you should change the references to yourself to be in the first. Is English your first language? - π 13:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- You are correct. You made sense of it. I start to get sloppy when we are not arguing about something that seemed important and this page is so cluttered, I don't know who would want to read it. Maybe for others it is much more interesting than the debate map. ~ Lumenos (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- That makes no sense. I was referring to you in the third person, so you should change the references to yourself to be in the first. Is English your first language? - π 13:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- He thinks I think Human altered one of his edits and then used show/hide to hide it from him. ~ Lumenos (talk) 13:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- er ... Bollocks! 13:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not surprised a) that it happened - Human gets away with a lot; b) that you can't find it - you've made so many damn stupid edits on so many damn stupid pages. Nx =/= troll: he's done some fucking really useful things here - name one that you've done. 13:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know you and I don't know how this wiki is run. When you wrote that you read the entire archive of the community standards talk page and made it sound like this is to be expected (I don't know if you're serious) but that seems kinda obsessed with this wiki. Would it be horribly scandalous if the powers that be completely removed something from edit histories? I often wonder if some of your "trolls" are people like Nx (who says he is a troll on his user page now). Does he get the concern troll treatment, whatever that is? ~ Lumenos (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Fuck you are paranoid. If you remove an edit it leaves a place card saying here is a deleted edit. - π 12:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I've been looking for it, but I'm not sure someone hasn't removed it from my view. How many users here are able to do this? Apparently Nx has similar powers to edit the database, and he acts like he hates me after the WikiIndex incident. ~ Lumenos (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Diff please. - π 11:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- As I recall, when we were editing on the community standards talk page, I created a section and you deleted this section and indented the comment. Do you remember that? ~ Lumenos (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- When I did what? Lumenos is a clueless drifter, and I think Susan might be correct. ħuman 11:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- He is a troll, he likes to argue with people. Stop feeding him. He will continue to annoy you for a while, then he'll copy over stuff to his wiki and continue to "argue" with you there (liberal last wordism?), and you'll be rid of him. 89.132.239.149 (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I read it. I don't know how I have broken any of those rules exactly. If anything I corrected the indentation from when Human moved my comment. ~ Lumenos (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- RationalWiki:Newcomers#What_can_I_do_with_my_user_page.3F 11:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I for one would be pissed if someone completely removed an edit for no good reason. You have been here discussing policy for over a week now, you must be gaining some insight into how it is run. We aim for as few rules and regulations as possible and have an open editing ethos. We also leave talkpages as untampered as possible, nut recently we have had a trolling problem and it is now generally excepted that you may remove a comment if it is excessively vulgar and attacking a person. - π 13:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I've seen many of the edits that have been deleted. You know what goes on, I think. It must be difficult when a wiki is founded by "trolls", then they want to get rid of the people who clutter up talk pages with their stupid opinions. ~ Lumenos (talk) 13:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- He's not been discussing anything. He's been rambling away incomprehensibly. 13:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- The bit that annoys me is I explained the "rules" really succinctly at the top of this page and he is still confused. He seems to be under the impression that there is some big set of rules being hidden from him, rather than following the above 4 points through to their conclusion. - π 13:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- This is one of the few posts here that I felt had much merit. I replied here (maybe an hour ago): User_talk:Lumenos/Debate_Map:Measuring_consensus#Π's rules ~ Lumenos (talk) 15:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- The bit that annoys me is I explained the "rules" really succinctly at the top of this page and he is still confused. He seems to be under the impression that there is some big set of rules being hidden from him, rather than following the above 4 points through to their conclusion. - π 13:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I for one would be pissed if someone completely removed an edit for no good reason. You have been here discussing policy for over a week now, you must be gaining some insight into how it is run. We aim for as few rules and regulations as possible and have an open editing ethos. We also leave talkpages as untampered as possible, nut recently we have had a trolling problem and it is now generally excepted that you may remove a comment if it is excessively vulgar and attacking a person. - π 13:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Is this a variant of the Gish gallop? 12:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Possibly, if you suggest a good name I'll create a fun article on it, or take it to RationalWikiWiki. - π 12:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)