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Has become very unfriendly to the noobs you profess to care so much about.  Also to us old hands.  Why not amp it up a few more "big"s? {{User:Human/sig|}} 03:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

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Pibot

Why not have Pibot do the heavy lifting when it comes to archiving? --PsyGremlinPraat! 19:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Because today, the robots archive our talk. Tomorrow, they travel back in time and try to kill Sarah Connor. Just saying. Blue (is useful) 00:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

5 month block

Are you leaving? If so, I hope you come back someday. --Onion <talk> 19:36, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

As do I. What happened? You were by far one of the coolest people here after you returned. Come back! Please? See, I said please. You have to come back! The Goonie Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 13:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
This is what happened... then I returned. Blue (is useful) 00:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Wait!

Is it true you are cool enough to let us vandalize your userpage? Much like my PunchingBag account? That's freakin' sweet! Lord of the Goons The official spikey-haired skeptical punk 08:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Quite true. Wandalisms, vandalisms, sandalisms, I want it all. Blue (is useful) 02:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

For what it's worth....

I'm going to be careful here, so that the drama doesn't follow me here, but I think you were being genuinely helpful with what you said on Human's talkpage about his use of rollback. It was something that, had I been around, I would have done myself. Punky Your mental puke relief 16:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, thanks. I kept trying to be level-headed... difficult when you're being called "silly," vindictive, and stupid. I think, like LX, that even though I was originally not in favor of anything but a friendly warning, Human's way of responding to complaints has made me angrier. Blue (is useful) 17:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I understand. Human's conduct on the Wiki can be considered highly irrational at times, to say the least. Since I am a late-comer to this, I'm gonna try to moderate this situation from an outsider's cool-headed perspective. The Goonie Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 17:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Cool-headed? on RW? Ha! Never! Scarlet A.pngbomination 17:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Somewhat agreed. The chicken's head may have been cool, but it was cut off a while ago. Blue (is useful) 17:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

pat on the back

Cookie half.jpg For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Nx
has awarded you a used pre-owned! and slightly stale cookie.
Ewwwwwww.
Cockroaches ate half of it.

thanks for clogging up recent changes with your useful edits. -- Nx / talk 04:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

My, that cookie looks delicious. and thanks. clogging is my specialty. Blue (is useful) 04:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
BUT! If you create a BlueBot (bluebottle?) - I'll make it a bot & then you can hide. 00:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Why not just make me a bot? I'd hate to not get accreditation for my editing... Blue (is useful) 00:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
It'd be better if I made you a 'crat, but I ain't gonna get embroiled in all that hassleRulez.gif. If I make you a bot, someone'd have to be around to de-bot you when you'd finished filling Rc up. Smiley.gif — Unsigned, by: SusanG / talk / contribs
For the record, that gif is one of my favorites on the wiki (: And I've finished my category splurge now, so no more clogging for now. Blue (is useful) 00:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Minor request

When you go on a catting binge, can you make yourself, or have yourself made, a bot, so we can see the rest of what's going on? No big deal, but it's usually how we do such things. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm not a 'crat, so I suppose I should have a bot account made, right? Blue (is useful) 02:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
If you like, sure. Or just ask a friendly 'crat to do and undo it. If you want to create a bot account (I think a crat has to make it a bot?) just ask. You're probably almost done by now anyway... or are you? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
H, see the section above. 03:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
(EC) Was going to say that. Blue (is useful) 03:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
We can always just crat Blue temporarily rather than worrying about the botting/unbotting, and then forget to decrat her. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Heh. I'm flattered and appreciate it, but on principle I'd rather be subject to nomination/community approval. And I'm going to continue to work on cats, it's a long-term project of mine. Blue (is useful) 03:37, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
If you want to create a BlueBottle or some such user, just ask any convenient 'crat to bot it, if you want. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. I'd rather not make a separate bot account for a variety of good reasons... I dunno. Temporary cratship in modo probationis? Blue (is useful) 04:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
That's what I was suggesting. Decratting at the end, or not, is another story. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Knock yourself out. Don't be surprised if I get keel-hauled for this, but that's not your problem. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking some kind of probationary demotion, and at the end the mob can step in. Blue (is useful) 04:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, as was I. Go play chemistry experiments at Special Pages/User Rights Mismanagement. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:39, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice if I was made a bot to, I don't want to spam recent changes. --Onion <talk> 18:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I want not comment on it. I think polite post.
— Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs  at:   1 (UTC)  

Minor request 2

So, when do I become an sysop? -Aswh1 (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Heh. Should be right about now -ish. Or very soon -ish. Blue (is useful) 03:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Hurry up. I'm supposed to be meeting someone for lunch at 3. I'll probably get a 6 inch ham and cheese, toasted. -Aswh1 (talk)
Ah. I'm not strictly "authorized" to use these awesome 'crat powers Rulez.gif on anyone but myself, otherwise I'd do it straightaway. :( I hear Gooniepunk2010 is around, though. Blue (is useful) 03:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Rulez.gif <--- that is a remarkable gif. -Aswh1 (talk) 03:37, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
It's one of my favorites. Along with Francis.gif Coffee spray.gif and a few others... Blue (is useful) 03:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Unlike the communists at WP, you guys actually have class.-Aswh1 (talk) 03:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Lol. Usually, "asking" is the worst way to get sysopped. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Aswh - was that meant to be a complement to RW, a joke about communism being a classless society, or both?
Human - I recall Jellyfish (where did he go?) was demoted by asking so vociferously (: Blue (is useful) 04:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Demotion is pretty cool. How low can you go... - RW dunce.
I'm bad with subtle sarcasm. You get our whole demotion=promotion thing right? Blue (is useful) 04:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Shh, I need to look good for my RFA. I'm also sick of adding indents. -Aswh1 (talk) 04:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Someone is also having trouble typing tildes after their posts... ħumanUser talk:Human 05:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
It takes too much effort.— Unsigned, by: Aswh1 / talk / contribs
Then don't hold your breath for sysoperisation. 12:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC) — Unsigned, by: SusanG / talk / contribs
Spoilsport, Blue. 19:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Signing is srs bsns! Blue (is useful) 19:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Props to whoever came up with the 'saloon bar' idea. I reckon WP should adopt a similar feature. -Aswh1 (talk) 05:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I think they have the Village Pump or something. But there are 100,000 of them,and only 100 of us, so it works here. ħumanUser talk:Human 06:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Yeah but it's not the same. -Aswh1 (talk) 06:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Minor request 3

Since you seem to decatting and recatting the entire site, perhaps you could discuss your aims and plans with the group? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I am trying to declutter and streamline the system. We have a few hugely bloated categories, like category:politics, and I'm trying to divide them further into subcategories. The vast majority of my adjustments have been working toward that goal, like removing category:history from an article and replacing it with category:United States history, or removing category:politics and adding category:political terms. Blue (is useful) 04:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
OK, but such acts might need to be run by the community, I think? For instance, I see no problem with the "bloated" cats - why not have every article on politics be in cat:politics? Of course with the smaller cats as well on the article. I guess I'm a bit of an "inclusivist" when it comes to cats. People may agree with what you are doing, I'm not saying they won't, but changing hundreds (thousands?) of cats without talking to anyone else about it might come across as a bit heavy-handed. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't really see anything wrong with large categories, perhaps create the sub-category but leave the master cat on the page? --Onion <talk> 04:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
(EC)OK. "Thousands"? (what happened to my life?) Why not have every article on politics be in cat:politics? Because the hundreds of articles in cat:politics make it useless to go through and find the one you're looking for. It seemed like subcatting was just common sense... I can't think of any reason to confuse readers by linking to a gigantic cat that could be accessed through the more relevant, more specific cats. And I thought I had tacit approval from yourself and Nx (and since I was allowed to keep doing it for days without anyone accosting me...)
But if you have an issue, we can discuss it. I'm done for the near future. Blue (is useful) 04:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I mean, discuss it on the saloon bar, really. Most people are overwhelmed when someone makes hundreds of edits like that and so they glaze over. As I said, maybe no one will care or be bothered, but this is a major site navigation issue that others may want to have some input on. It took me days to figure out what you were doing, by the way. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay then. I'll start something in the saloon bar. Blue (is useful) 04:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm not saying your idea was wrong, just that the post-congratulations you might receive ideally would have been pre-congratulations ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 04:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I... see? Yes, I see. Well, thanks. And as a quick and random aside, how does one attain the "Newt" usergroup? Not that I would usurp it, of course... Plotting.gif Blue (is useful) 04:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I think a witch has to turn you into one, and not turn you back. I also think it's done server-side. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Those two processes are definitely not mutually exclusive. How else can we explain the "automagic barchives" in the saloon bar, then? Blue (is useful) 04:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Hey, what a coincidence, I found out how Human became a newt: Fun talk:Trent Toulouse#What are the chances -- Nx / talk 03:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes. And now that we have a "Ninja" usergroup, I think the karmic balance of the internet calls for a "pirate" usergroup. Dunno what it would do, though. Blue (is useful) 04:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars validate my life

See title. -Aswh1 (talk) 04:29, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Have you made a single mainspace edit yet? :} Blue (is useful) 04:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Answer: no. Don't worry, stick around long enough and you will be assimilated Assimilation.gif made a sysop. Blue (is useful) 04:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
How about we implement the 90/10 rule. — Unsigned, by: Aswh1 / talk / contribs
There's a 90/10 rule against memes, memes, memes. Rarely enforced, however. Blue (is useful) 03:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, but I meant in general. — Unsigned, by: Aswh1 / talk / contribs
Okay. There, now it's implemented. Have fun. Blue (is useful) 03:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Hang on, I'll be back in a few hours. Good luck -Aswh1 (talk) 03:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Floating stuff

The floating troll sanctuary thing obscures the newer edit link when viewing diffs on my phone. Please do something about it. -- Nx / talk 04:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually my phone treats position:fixed as position:absolute so it always stays up there -- Nx / talk 04:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Aesthetics are everything. What sort of mobile browser are you using? Blue (is useful) 03:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Samsung Dolfin 2.0. -- Nx / talk 04:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Cool. Btw, you can use a span tag in displaytitle to format the title. -- Nx / talk 08:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Autosign bot

Well, at least it knows there's an unsigned comment somewhere... -- Nx / talk 19:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah... that was supposed to be the hard part... Blue (is useful) 19:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Does it recognize this line as an unsigned comment?
It would have to check the diff to determine if it is unsigned or not. -- Nx / talk 19:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Nope. It checks the diff first as a whole and scans it for a timestamp. That's one issue - if you accidentally put five tildes, it won't recognize it as unsigned. Blue (is useful) 19:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Then the difficult thing is finding the same edit on the current revision. What if I modify the text in a quick edit before the bot gets a chance to edit? Maybe leaving out intermediate revisions would be best, and if there's an edit conflict, start again from the last checked revision to the new current revision. -- Nx / talk 19:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
My solution to that is shaky at best, right now if you subtract characters or add less than five it skips the edit. I honestly hadn't thought of people editing before the bot. Blue (is useful) 19:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, here's what I suggest: maintain a list that contains the last checked revision of every page; when the bot sees a diff (from revision A to revision B), and it's not on this list, it checks the diff from revision A to the current revision; if there's an edit conflict, it checks again; finally, if there's no edit conflict, it adds the page to the list with the current revision; if the page is already on the list, instead of using revision A as a starting point, use the last checked diff, so that in case the bot missed a diff on a page that it had already checked in the past, it would still catch it later. Of course if revision A is lower than the last checked revision, it doesn't have to do anything, this means this was a diff that was included in the intermediate edits when checking. -- Nx / talk 20:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Before we talk about that, briefly, is there a pyb function for converting timestamps from numerical format? Blue (pester) 20:22, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
It uses time.strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%S', time.gmtime()) to convert to MW format, so the reverse of that, which is probably time.strptime(timestamp, '%Y%m%d%H%M%S'). -- Nx / talk 20:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Also, WE MIGHT HAVE A BREAKTHROUGH... WAIT FOR IT... — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs 20101101202252
Damnit, I was tired and went to bed, then started thinking about my idea above and basically figured out how to implement this bot, and I had to get up. I hate it when that happens. It's a bit difficult to explain though. -- Nx / talk 20:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Collect all the newly added lines in the full diff into a list, then go backwards diff by diff to figure out the user and timestamp for each line. When a line is modified, remember that so you can find the original addition of the line. If you see an added line in your diff, but can't find it in the list, ignore it, it was removed later on. Now that you have a list of lines and corresponding users + timestamps, figure out if they are signed/dated or not (matching time, link to user/user talk page of that user, take into account imagelinks too), and autosign them. If there's an edit conflict, don't throw away the list, reuse it to avoid doing stuff twice. -- Nx / talk 21:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Let's see how mine works... — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs 2:5, 0 1 201(UTC)
Again, let me demonstrate...
Again, let me demonstrate... whoops. now it should work. — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs 1:5, 1 1 010 (UTC)
Something's wrong with my timestamps — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs 1:0, 1 1 010 (UTC)
Hopefully this will have fixed it — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs 16:47, 01 November 2010 (UTC)
Update: apparently not. Again, again. Once more, with feeling — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs 41:24, 01 November 2010 (UTC)
Now we've just lost all semblance of timestampery. In a bizarre twist, I think the bot was right. — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs at: 1 (UTC)
Highly erratic bot behavior we've seeen — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs at20:04 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Does the timestamp work? How about now — Unsigned, by: Blue / talk / contribs attime.struct_time(tm_year=2010, tm_mon=11, tm_mday=4, tm_hour=4, tm_min=29, tm_sec=55, tm_wday=3, tm_yday=308, tm_isdst=-1)

Question

How are you getting the diffs? There seems to be no api function to return a diff -- Nx / talk 09:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I appropriated various things from difflib. Blue (pester) 09:32, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
There's a showDiff in wikipedia.py that uses difflib, so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. I was just wondering if you were using something more efficient than getting the two revisions and comparing. E.g. getting a normal diff page and stripping out the html. -- Nx / talk 09:34, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
1. showDiff is its own little process that adds colors. It's based off of one ndiff function, I believe.
2. I did try getting the html, but I learned that the the actual diff part of the page is generated by javascript. I almost got there, though :) Blue (pester) 09:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
1. You're right. My problem with showDiff is that unlike wiki diffs, it shows modified lines as a removal and addition, so that's a problem.
2. No, they're not. wikiEd has a javascript diff, but the vanilla diff of mediawiki is generated server-side. -- Nx / talk 09:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Never mind, I figured it out, difflib does detect modified lines. -- Nx / talk 10:32, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, let's see if this works.— Unsigned, by: Nx / talk / contribs 21:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
It's alive, IT'S ALIVE!!!!— Unsigned, by: Nx / talk / contribs 23:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Cool. Is it operational now? Any chance you could post (or send me) the code, for educational purposes, like you did for capturebot? Blue (pester) 15:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
It's not running now, since I'm still working on it, there is still some polishing left to do, and of course bugs to fix. I will post the code soon, didn't want to upload it in a half-finished state. -- Nx / talk 17:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Dpl and ref tags (Template:Internet)

Unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than I thought, and would need an overhaul of the internals of DPL, so yeah, don't think I'll be fixing that. Just wanted you to know that I didn't forget about it. [1] -- Nx / talk 08:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Yikes, are we going to be keeping dpl then? Blue (is useful) 08:48, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, we depend on it too much. -- Nx / talk 08:50, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Stubs

Um, I did like 60 or so and Armondikov did more so, err. Sorry. Blush.gif *whistles* TyrannisAn Iron, but caring, fist 19:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. No worries, I can have a bot go through and make any adjustments. We need to discuss style, though, on the SB. Blue (pester) 19:56, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
So am I going back to mass minor editing or is the bot doing all of them? TyrannisAn Iron, but caring, fist 20:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The bot isn't doing anything right now but fixing grammar. Blue (pester) 20:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
And thanks to Nx for rendering that unnecessary. ;) Blue (is useful) 20:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, then, I'm on U. TyrannisAn Iron, but caring, fist 20:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Your sig

Has become very unfriendly to the noobs you profess to care so much about. Also to us old hands. Why not amp it up a few more "big"s? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)