Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive102


 * Debate:Top Ten Conservapedia Moments of 2008
 * Conservapedia:Next sysop pool

SEO are Go!
Looks like Ken's changed his mind about the title of the Evolution article, which I remember he defended tooth and nail to give it the full title back when he was spuriously made sysop to "protect" it. Obviously it's more SEO games, he probably realized hardly anyone does a Google search for the full name, so he's trying to stake out ground on just the word, but it's still idiocy in action. Watch for a million double redirects as a result. --Kels 20:02, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * Hey, Kels - the link you have shows nothing happening since May. Is this the one you want? PFoster 20:09, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * Edit conflict. Corrected your link for you. "Theory of evolution" would make more sense in the context it's used, but to be fair Wikipedia's article on the subject is also called "Evolution", and we have one of each.  w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 20:13, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think this is because Ken's operations are going awry. He was so proud that his evolution article was up to something like 13 on google, and kept on and on about how operation flying flounder would put it on the front page. However, now it is slipping back down to 19 or so, he's desperate to cause the "big things" to happen in 2009. --JeevesMkII 20:26, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * My fave on that log was 3/24. Oh, speaking of oPERaTIOnS:

BUMP! http://www.composure1.com/operation.html


 *  ħ uman  20:45, 28 December 2008 (EST)

It must be love...
Methinks he may be smitten. --Horace 20:31, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Aww, I have my own stalker, isn't that sweet? Hey Ken, I haven't forgotten that the sole reason you were made sysop was because the article was already locked to prevent facts from leaking in and only sysops could make changes.  I also remember that you weren't supposed to make major changes to the article, but that didn't last long, did it?  So maybe you can shut your lying face up now, plz? --Kels 20:36, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, and I couldn't give a damn about Operation Light Your Own Farts or whatever the hell it is, since it won't change the fact that you're a lying bag of crap and your articles are the laughingstock of the internet. Have a nice day. --Kels 20:38, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * (Edit conflicts. Growl.) Here it is - message to "Ms Kels & associates". I'm not gonna bother screencapping it because it's boring and incoherent. Seriously, Ken, what are you trying to say with this? I don't think I've heard about "Operation Afterburner" yet - is it something to do with indigestion?  w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 20:40, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Awesome Ken, you deleted the entire Theory of Evolution talk page and didn't restore anything. I thought you were more attracted to me... what happened? Why distance yourself? Do I not make you happy? [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]Norseman  Cyser Melomel  20:44, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * "I am especially looking forward to the new webpage content of high quality to be created in the near future which will play an important part of course." So are we.  We've been waiting for you to add some of this "quality" you speak of to your articles for, oh, almost two years now, 🇰🇪.  ħ uman  20:48, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I was trying to decipher that phrase myself. Is it supposed to be english?  And Norse, don't feel too bad.  I haven't got what he needs, remember? --Kels 20:50, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * "Phrase"???? It's almost, well, pretty much, a "sentence"! We should give him a medal!  ħ uman  21:51, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * A sentence? I know sentences, sir, and that is no sentence! --Kels 21:59, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Wow that is almost sad. He has kept a record of the feigned praise that Andy and CPWebmaster (PhilipB) have given him. I think 🇰🇪 is attention starved. - User   22:13, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, Ken is nothing if not praiseworthy . --Kels 22:34, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think we should give him his due for finally realising you aren't a gentleman. Only took four or five months. --JeevesMkII 22:45, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Kels, it's a sentence, dammit! Reduced: "I am looking forward to the new course".  Caddyshack. QED, JEV, KJV, QE2.  ħ uman  23:07, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Tim, it's simple. He can't protect a page with nothing on it, and there's no way he's going to put up with any discussion, like how he's allowed to talk with us when everybody else gets blocked for even admitting we exist. --Kels 23:40, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * How do you do it Kels? I was working really hard on the Jinx for months, but then he packed up and left... and other than a long conversation with TK that made him look really stupid, I haven't been able to get anyone attention.... It's cause you got them breasticles isn't it.... Damn women, always get treated better than black folks. (That was a joke) SirChuckB  04:44, 29 December 2008 (EST)



To-the-Rather-Thick-Gentleman
Click the img tag next to the link. - User   00:34, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * By now, I expect everyone over there responds to idiocy like this with "Yeah Ken, very nice. Now stop bothering me, okay?" --Kels 00:50, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, talk about your redundancy department of repition. I must make an awesome screen cap of that, if only for my own loulz...  ħ uman  00:58, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Argh, PJR is way too kindly. Tell him to go fuck himself with his animated gifs, PJR, or he'll keep sprinkling them on your talk page forever. --JeevesMkII 01:01, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Holy bad metaphor, Batman!
"The cheetah to the right runs 24 hours a day on the internet at breakneck speed. Soon the creation scientists and creationists around the globe will be doing the same once Operation Flying Fortresses is operating at full speed!" Ken's going to make the creationists run at breakneck speed. That... does not sound like a positive thing. --Barikada, who should probably sign in some day.
 * The cheetah picture is only 32 frames each remain visible 20ms. So it actually only runs for 0.64 seconds but keeps running its small amount of material over and over again. It is a lot like creationist actually. - User   01:45, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Pi FTW! --SpinyNorman 11:08, 29 December 2008 (EST)

the-cloud-of-misery-has-somewhat-lifted
Ken is becoming more & more of a parody of himself. The page is now relocated to the snappy title of User:Conservative/Darwinism-is-going-to-be-really-ripped-into-in-2009. And apparently Operation Baptist Flying Fortresses has something to do with "a prominent Baptist institution" becoming more "Flying Fortress like". (See under "Evolutionist Gentlemen, the cloud of mystery has somewhat lifted". There's a helpful link to a photo of a cloud, just in case we have trouble imagining what a cloud looks like.)  So, the plot thickens. In a really tedious way.  w assaiLOId ~ 18:17, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * My goodness, a Baptist website coming out against evolution? What a turnaround!  Nobody would ever expect that! --Kels 18:37, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * What're the odds the "Baptist website" is Landover Baptist? Barikada 19:54, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * If only we had a picture of Ken, he desperately needs a photoshopped picture of his head on Brian Blessed... "Fly, my Baptist birdmen! Fly!" --JeevesMkII 22:07, 29 December 2008 (EST)

"Of course, the Baptists will not be the only members of the creation science and creationist swarm that is likely going to descend on the internet" Oh, oh. I know, Ken. You can call your swarm the Coalition of the willingly ignorant. Don't thank me, all in a day's work. --JeevesMkII 22:11, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Any takers?
Ten bucks says this was TK's idea. --Kels 21:51, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'll see your ten dead deer with antlers and raise you twelve beaver skins. I agree, absolutely, the puppetmaster is playing his target. We should add him to that "greatest achievemints" thing we're writing...  ħ uman  21:55, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * So when can we expect PJR, Tim, Jazz, or maybe even ♥Kotomi♥ to block another user with block rights and use that ruling to override anyone reversing their block? They'd never realize it can work against them! Taking the high road (names mentioned) has gotten them no where so far, they should use the new rule in their favor. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]Norseman  Cyser Melomel  06:51, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * If that's TK's rule, he already broke it, undoing ♥Kotomi♥'s block of a Harry Potter nerd.  w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 11:20, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * It only counts if it's an undo that Andy or someone with Andy's ear (mostly TK, Ed, Bugler and RW) does. Anyone he disagrees with, regardless how long they've been around, like Phil, Tim, and so on, well... --Kels 11:26, 29 December 2008 (EST)

New Sunday Essay
Yeah Andy has provided us with a new Sunday essay cp:Essay:Rich_Man_and_Parable_of_Talents. - User   22:54, 28 December 2008 (EST)

"God presumably would care most about one's output relative to one's opportunities. Wasting opportunities would not gain favor with God, and may infuriate Him." How do you feel this applies to Andy? - User   22:57, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * Is he gonna rewrite the Bible to include it? He is so off the rails  lately it's beyond funny, beyond documenting, beyond the ability of the sane to keep up... (PS, try to use difflinks, so we can see the version you are talking about.)  ħ uman  23:02, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * So Schlafly is "one of those" - Christians who claim that worldly wealth is what Jesus told them to acquire? What a loser... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:04, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * The question is, is he trying to curry favour with the rich, or does he just hate the poor? --Kels 23:08, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Schlafly new definition of rich is having lots of money and not working hard. But how hard has he worked for his money? He gets a retainer and home schools a few children. He has wasted every opportunity he has been given and still gets more. It is his complete inability to self assess that has always worried me about him. - User   23:11, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm confused how all this nonsense the Assfly is writing squares with the whole "faith alone" thing. Surely, acts matter not one jot to God since no one is good compared to him. Life is just one big exercise in game theory where the aim is to repent as close as possible to your death so you can do all the fun stuff, but still collect the heavenly payoff, surely? It's so confusing to keep track of what fundies believe. Maybe if you piss God off, you still get in to heaven if you have faith but you don't get invited to any of the cool parties. --JeevesMkII 23:12, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, Jeeves, you are such a liberal. Pi, yes, Schlafly is an embarrassment to the idea of "introspection".  Or "self awareness".  Or "brainz".  At least he is zombie-proof. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:15, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Jeeves you have to remember that Schlafly is Catholic. A large part of Catholic Theology surrounds personal and symbolic sacrifice (eg, do charity work and Eucharist). He is trying to deal with the fact that he is at odds with his own church with regards to money and what you should do with it. - User   23:19, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Schlafly isn't a Catholic or a Protestant. Schlafly thinks he is the fucking Second Coming.  So sad that all he is is the Second Sheet Stain. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:27, 28 December 2008 (EST)

(undent) Clearly, teh Schlafly is a bit unclear on the concept of parables. Tim, I'm impressed with your tenacity, but there's a limit between that and futility. --Kels 23:30, 28 December 2008 (EST)

I like how Andy cuts the parable short. The rest was;

31But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: 32and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats; 33and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;  36naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink? 38And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels: 42for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;  43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me. 46And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

Or to cut it short, if you have money help people with it. - User   23:31, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * Goats on the left of me
 * Sheep on the right
 * Here I am
 * Stuck in the middle with you --Kels 23:36, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * How dare you invoke the holy goat (or the woolly sheep, for that matter), without linking it!? Outrage, I say! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:38, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Meow, baaaaa, hehe. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:39, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Here, I've linked them for you! :P [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  06:46, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Insights
Couldn't find the previous section...

"It's the Christmas season and let's move on to greater insights. Thanks much.--aschlafly 15:16, 28 December 2008 (EST)"

As if. Lick my popsicle, maybe you'll find in it, some sights? AS has no idea he is mediating a battle between a "real" CPian and two parodists (RW and Bugger). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)


 * Someone Archived this page a little too soon, I fear.  There was a big section on insights and Bibble retranslatons that were still very active, IMHO.   Arcihinvg too early and too often hurts the phun.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  08:21, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, the talk page was getting a bit long. And both of those have spawned articles where the lollingz continue, right no? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  12:46, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Truth comes to Conservapedia
It seems Conservapedia has. Take that, evil goatians on teh interwebs! (Also: This seems to be a wonderful example of copyright laundering. I originally, er, appropriated that image from Google images, now through the magic of the interwebs it has become creative commons in the mediawiki commons, and now by extension conservapedia.) --JeevesMkII 01:05, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * From the CP article on the jerboa: "This may have been the species of mouse that God made "unclean". " PFoster 01:09, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh lawd, how can something so cute exist? But as the ever-so-intelligent Youtubers have said: Wtf does it do, and bitches be crazy! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  07:00, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * What does it do? It mocks everything right and proper through its very existence, that's what. -- 11:42, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Aww, don't be mean. They can't help it. --Kels 11:49, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * They can't help being so cute! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  14:48, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Gah! Quick, someone hit it with a shovel! (joke, I actually own rats myself) -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 14:53, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Me, I own shovels. --Kels 14:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Jessica v. TK
Not only is he a massive fucking asshole, he doesn't even get that "RW" is an abbreviation for "Rod Weathers". I honestly hope Jessica leaves over this, simply because she doesn't deserve to be treated as such, and you can be sure that TK will only get the slightest reprimand, if any, over this. Jessica, if you're reading this, TK has just proven to you that Conservapedia is not only beyond saving, it's not worth saving. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  05:06, 29 December 2008 (EST)

TK sets himself as a judge over everybody and tells the others off for judging. F***ing hypocrite. Proxima Centauri 07:54, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * "We are Conservapedia"; "My castle, my rules" Jesus, is that little troll really 60, cos he comes across as a petulant little 6 year old who's spent way too much time chasing parked cars. What a little wanker. --PsyGremlinWhut? 06:02, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * I love the way how TK refers to himself as an "administrator" and the Top 10 others as senior administrators. I don't really go with the term "sysop" because it sounds silly, but the transition between sysop and administrator has "blurred the lines" (as TeamKiller describes). How ironic that TK thinks he can dictate suggest policy when he was the mongrel who opened the SDG, which was supposed to be for policy discussion, amirite?. Wow Andy. FurryQuack 06:37, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * I keep on wanting to tell Jessica to leave Conservapedia. When she was here I spent an hour looking for wikis that might suit her better. We've done our bit.  We've told her what we think.  She's an adult.  She must sort this herself.  If Jessica doesn't try her uttermost before leaving she'll have regrets afterwards. Proxima Centauri 06:43, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * When TK is given actual admin privileges that's right TK, you aren't an actual admin, Phil, CPAdmin and a few of the junior admins will leave, or at least cause a tennis racket. FurryQuack 06:49, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * All the more reason to embrace Jessica (and Jeeves too) here. :D
 * Where's Ed and his "personal remarks" list? He can make a long one from just TK's response alone. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  06:54, 29 December 2008 (EST)

I don't understand TK's motivation. We know he's deliberately trying to bring down the site, and doing a helluva job, too. So we know his whole demeanor is just an act... but why?? I don't understand TK's motivation. We know he's deliberately trying to bring down the site, and doing a helluva job, too. So we know his whole demeanor is just an act... but why?? --Bluefish, too lazy to sign in, 13:14, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * OK, we heard you the first time.</snarK> I think TK enjoys the power games & being able to manipulate everybody & every situation to his own advantage.  Basically he's a petty sadist.  I'm not convinced he wants to destroy the site completely, just to exercise complete control over who is involved & what they do.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 13:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * He's a "professional" shit-stirrer. And CP is (was) a perfect storm for a shit-stirrer to play in.  Strong but arbitrarily enforced rules, behind-the-scenes administrative communications, a fairly clear ideology to abuse, plenty of vulnerable normal users and borderline personality-disordered admins. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  13:56, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * TK probably just likes to play sadistic power games. We can't get inside his head and tell exactly what he wants. Last time teh Assfly kicked him out before he could finish whatever he wanted to do.  We have to guess.

We just have to wait and see. Proxima Centauri 14:02, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * 1) Perhaps he's playing some type of brinkmanship. "Let's see how far I can get before they block me."
 * 2) Perhaps he aims to control the site and plans to manipulate even Aschlafly later so that he will be the real power.
 * 3) Perhaps he learnt from his last mistake and will be satisfied when he controls everybody except the Schlafly family.
 * The reason is relatively simple. He does it for the lulz. Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 15:13, 29 December 2008 (EST)

A little Hebrew entertainment
How will Andy respond to this, I wonder? It's clearly not wandalism, or parody, or even questioning his authority. But it's obvious Andy has no expertise in any of this, probably looks at that whole thing and sees gibberish, and yet he's bound to respond since it's a project he's been pushing hard lately. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm finding this totally entertaining. --Kels 09:29, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * The response --Sid 09:33, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Typical Andy. Well done, as your reward you get to smite people. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:38, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's not a response if you do it two minutes before the Hebrew comment. Although that's still pretty quick to be getting block rights, especially without a lot of conspicuous bullying and sucking up. --Kels 09:54, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, you're (technically) right, but her contribs are full of Bible Retranslation things, so it's a response to her posts there in general. --Sid 10:11, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * How is block rights a response to throwing dead languages about the place? Pseudomonas 12:41, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Being able to inflict your will upon others is the highest possible reward at CP. What more could anyone want? --Gulik 14:38, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Notice how even though he started this Bible retranslation thing with much fanfare, he has yet to actually translate anything now that he's got the chance? --Kels 15:37, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Call my Effing bluff. That's beautiful! Toast 16:23, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * I sure hope DeniseM has plenty of time on her hands. -- 16:56, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Not so sure about that Pseudomonas 16:58, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh dear. I predict a steep learning curve and lots of shattered expectations. And what's that all about? -- 17:25, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Bugger made a funny! Geddit?  "Public schools ... just testing".  Ho ho ho! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:00, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Way to go, Jpatt
You were bright enough to block some incredibly obvious wandals. Maybe tying your shoes would be the next challenge? --Kels 10:08, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * WTF? "I find blocking to be good exercise."  [[image:falldownlaugh.gif]] <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 11:38, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * You know how if you get out of shape enough, it's a struggle just to climb a flight of stairs? Well, mentally that's the equivalent for Andy. --Kels 11:48, 29 December 2008 (EST)

PZ Meyers link
Am I missing something? the link to Pharyngula does not even mention the evolution article. It's almost all a quote of Lenski's assrape of Andy. EternalCritic 11:57, 29 December 2008 (EST)


 * My fault, sometimes I hit Ctrl-C and it doesn't do anything, so when I hit Ctrl-V it pastes the previous thing I'd copied. Really annoying, obviously I'm doing something wrong.  I love the quote though, "I am not interested in your collection of lies at conservapædia, and I'm not going to waste time with it." in his reply to Ken "Peter Moore" (wink wink, nudge nudge). --Kels 12:03, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Weird
Why does Ken keep putting "Creation" and "science" together in his...well, let's be generous and call them sentences, when they really have nothing to do with each other? --Kels 14:59, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Clearly, you are clueless when it comes to Doublethink. Seriously, I have no idea, I just saw the opportunity to plug my essay. -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 15:05, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Weirder
So I got annoyed at a stupid "News" story about a BS conservative elevator speech, and decided to vent some caffeine by creating a stub for the CP crowd to create their own. Apparently, Andy decided that this belongs under "Essay" not because it's a non-encyclopedia piece (a good reason), but because DinsdaleP wrote it, so it's the product of "a critic or skeptic, and needs improvement". Wish I had delete rights. --SpinyNorman 16:08, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * How dare you suggest censoring important content! --Kels 16:09, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, but it's not important according to Andy since I wrote it. Maybe I shuld tag it for speedy deletion.  --SpinyNorman 16:12, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's not important since you wrote it, yes, but the moment you suggest deleting it, it becomes important because you're the one suggesting it, and lib'ruls are always wrong. --Kels 16:22, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yep, apparently Andy feels that trying to do something right is not the proper way to address your thought that something is wrong. This from the guy trying to rewrite the Bible.  --SpinyNorman 16:46, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Suicide by Andy
Looks like CPAdmin1 is looking to be shown the exit door. Otherwise, he didn't read the latest change in the rules on how to handle blocks done by others. Blocks without discussion I mean what is he thinking? How dare someone call Pinochet a dictator. Or ever use the evil word THEORY Patrickr 17:13, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, TK's in on it now, complete with threats and emails to Andy. Not sure why he emailed the link to Tim, seeing as he put it in the block comment, but whatever.  So is Tim planning to stick with it, or was he proving a point that's now proven? --Kels 18:39, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, bureaucracy - in all its inane glory. Nobody is justifying why ther block was valid, just why Tim was out of line to undo it.  & TK is really twisting the knife.  Somebody at Conservapedia please point out what a hypocrite he is.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 19:25, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, but that was before the new rule and the mysterious email from Andy. --Kels 19:28, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Bonus lulz: Terry's blocks are now terminations! --Robledo 19:38, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Ed - not worthy of a WIGO
He has just deleted "Highlander" 'cause it's "non encyclopedic"! Of course his teenybopper movie reviews are! Toast 17:37, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * I rather got a smile out of this. --Kels 17:40, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Speaking of Ed: A day late, a dollar short, like usual. You are not a peacemaker, Ed. You're part of the problem. --Kels 17:49, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Andy under seige
First it's Kotomi making a fuss about blocks, then it's Tim overturning RW's blocks, now it's PJR agreeing with a user blocked for disagreeing, the mutiny is coming fast and furious. Dammit, they weren't made Sysops to think! --Kels 18:46, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Could this be the final stand? Shall PJR emerge unscathed? Or will he be deposed, and the final defense against the vandals struck down? DUN DUN DUNNNN --Gishin 18:57, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * DUN DUN Oh shit OWNED :P [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  22:12, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * That last one was a very palpable hit! Should we start the banwatch, or at least stripping of powers watch on poor Phil? --Kels 22:24, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * I doubt they'll need to strip him of powers. Andy is now being openly hostile to him, TK & Bugler will gladly hound him out, Ed P & Karajou aren't exactly best buds with Phil, & with HelpJazz gone the only person I can think of who might possibly take PJR's side in a dispute is (maybe) JessicaT, who has her own battles to fight at the moment.  There's only so much abuse Phil can take before he eventually calls it quits.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 22:43, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * (prediction) PJR will roll over, not making any edits or corrections to the article even though he's proved himself right and was able to say what nobody else can without getting an infinite ban. At least he called Andy out on his "final reply" cowardism, running from discussions when he has no leg to stand on. Just as usual, but as Weaseloid says, Andy has cohorts to hound out his enemies. Who knows, maybe something might happen? I'll start the popcorn and hot cocoa for us, Kels. :D [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  23:00, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, yeah. PJR will roll over, just like he did on the Obama is a Muslim thing before this. You can't beat Andy on Conservapedia, he doesn't compromise, he doesn't back down and despite his constant refrain asking others to "open your mind" he won't listen to evidence, reason or ever change his mind. PJR would be far better served simply taking himself elsewhere, where the law isn't embodied in the person of a complete arsehole with a Napoleon complex. The only alternative is to be constantly abused, even when you're so self-evidently correct as in this case, and to suffer a constant barrage of name calling with occasional showers of animated gifs from Kendoll to rub in the humiliation. The only question is, just how masochistic d'ya reckon Phil is? Being a YEC, the answer may well be "more than you can imagine." --JeevesMkII 23:30, 29 December 2008 (EST)

George Takei
Hey Phil, maybe before you say something that might make you look foolish like this, maybe do a quick Google search beforehand? By CP standards, being half of the first gay couple to get a marriage certificate in West Hollywood makes him practically a revolutionary. --Kels 19:53, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Andy, now officially a parody of a parody of himself
I wonder if Andy is ever ashamed of the things that come out of his mouth, metaphorically speaking anyway. He so obviously can't back up any of the things he spouts, so he resorts to calling a (previously) respected editor a liberal instead, merely for questioning the Oracle at Jersey. Don't censor the shit I write, liberal scum! You vill obey zer Fuhrer! --JeevesMkII 22:03, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * "Don't censor them..." — is he referring to his edits, or >gasp!< is his heart finally warming to the "liberals"? [[Image:Mjollnir.svg|20px]]ListenerXTalkerX 22:11, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * P.S.: "Joke," he explained. "Ha ha!" [[Image:Mjollnir.svg|20px]]ListenerXTalkerX 22:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Where? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:57, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Nah, he's saying "my time is better spent making substantive contributions. Don't censor them." (as in don't censor substantive contributions).  "I know how liberals love to talk" is aimed at Phil.  Initially (a month or so ago, whenever this debacle over gun control in Australia started at CP), Andy was saying that gun control is a "liberal position", & that PJR was a conservative with some liberal views.  Now he is openly calling him a liberal.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 22:37, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andy long ago lapsed into parody of a parody of a parody of himself, as did CP. Which is why it's actually boring to track the stupid there.  Sadly, also, RW is the prime ex-CP vocation (mea culpa) and the biggest hit for people searching for "anti-CP" perspective.  Sadly, because we waste so much energy on what, seven?, idiots.  I prefer the part of RW that is not CP-centric - even though, obviously, I get drawn into the stupid that is CP and the commentary that is WIGO CP.  C'est la vie. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:50, 29 December 2008 (EST)

There are 4 atheist/freethought wikis that I know. RationalWiki is by far the most successful. The CP material draws readers and editors. That helps the rest of the wiki to develop. Proxima Centauri 02:30, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * By the way, does anyone else think that his referring to Philip J. Rayment as PhilipJ is a diminutive, intended to equate him with the common vandal rather than the sysop/old hand he is? Even "PJR" is more respectful, at least in internet parlance.- 03:03, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Probably referring to PhilipV, who kept getting blocked for trying to make others apologize for offending him. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  10:45, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Exit Huw, wracked with ennui
 * (can I be racked with a nice, not too dry, red wine? --Kels 10:18, 30 December 2008 (EST) )
 * Dear Proxy Centaur, you may have not noticed, but this wiki is not "atheist". Some may think that atheism is the rational position, but the topic is fully up for debate. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:44, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Exit Barbara, racked with eight balls
 * Human is close to the site owner. Trying to stop Human being difficult here isn't as hard as trying to stop TK  at Conservapedia.  There is a parallel. Proxima Centauri 05:05, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * It has always surprised me we have never been able to get this much conversation at WIGO world talk. - User   23:32, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * The world only has so much stupid to go round, and Conservapedia is hogging it all. --JeevesMkII 23:38, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * They hog stupidity. They even are squealing like a stuck pig. Proxima Centauri 03:09, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * I second that. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:44, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * My connection is shit, keeps timing out and won't even load Google - the irony of his crying over censorship is right in the talk page's history, censoring TCochrane's post. It's ok to censor those who are against him though, but his word is TEH LAW! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  23:06, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * I second that. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:44, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * My connection is shit, keeps timing out and won't even load Google - the irony of his crying over censorship is right in the talk page's history, censoring TCochrane's post. It's ok to censor those who are against him though, but his word is TEH LAW! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  23:06, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Squealing like a stuck pig
Conservapedia doesn’t like this sensible article from a democratic (probably) newspaper. Reform judicial nominations. They complain that the newspaper is squealing like a stuck pig. That’s a brilliant metaphor. We’ll have to remember it. Aschlafly and the rest of Conservapedia have been squealing like a stuck pig over Obama and any number of other issues they dislike. Proxima Centauri 02:50, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Prox, are you actually unfamiliar with the phrase "squeal like a stuck pig"? It's a reasonably well-known idiom &mdash; in the U.S., anyway. As opposed to Ken's "cat hit by the shoe" nonsense; I assume we always make fun of Ken for that phrase because it's a Ken original. But "stuck pig" is a common phrase. Digression: I got halfway through this post, and then realized that I was thinking of "bleed like a stuck pig", not "squeal ~". I'm actually not sure I've ever heard "squeal ~" before. But it turns out that "squeal" gets more Google hits than "bleed", so whaddayaknow. --Marty 20:45, 30 December 2008 (EST) oh yeah, and it's a simile, not a metaphor
 * It's a pretty common phrase. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 20:47, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * I believe it's stuck as in being skewered with a stick rather than being in a place that one couldn't get out of.  <font color=Blue>Генгис    05:23, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yep. Or also rather than repeating the same thing again and again; Ken and Andy have been squealing like a stuck record lately. :) --Marty 04:39, 1 January 2009 (EST) Happy New Year!

TK and Europe
TK has NO clue... He just blocked a user Euroconservative, for being a sock. Than he rushed to remove parody from an article Euroconservative had created. What are his - let's call it insights:
 * VVD People's Party for Freedom and Democracy, is a liberal political party in the Netherlands:  Yes, VVD is liberal, but in a European sense. Generally, you have two liberal parties in the Netherlands, VVD and D66. D66 is leftist, VVD is right-leaning (market liberal)
 * it was created by Geert Wilders a controversial leftist who is known for his support for Israel and his populist anti-immigration/Muslim policy.  Epic fail. The VVD was founded in 1948 - Geert Wilders was born in 1963. Yes, Geert Wilders founded a party, the PVV - after he left the VVD - it seemed to be not conservative enough for him...
 * It is also strongly in favor of a socialist welfare state.  Which one? PVV? VVD? Rather neither!

I can't form this in a succinct point for the WIGO. Certainly, it's something I don't even expect Americans to know about. But it is the modus operandi of CP to dumb down any article which doesn't fit in their worldview, showing as much of knowledge - and disinterest in facts - as possible: VVD is liberal, therefore it is socialist and atheistic (don't get me even started on the three pillars of the Dutch society...) LArron 03:36, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * TK also thinks CPAdmin1 is a liberal. Proxima Centauri 03:55, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Keep in mind that "conservative" on CP means Schlafly-conservative. So anybody but the most hardcore parodist can be branded "liberal" whenever needed. TK especially pushed this position to drive out ANY European influence/editor who tried to teach Andy that "conservative/liberal" means something else outside of the US. Here's a quick test: What are the parties' positions on school prayer, abortion and gun control? If any of the answers doesn't fully match Andy's view, the party is liberal, period. --Sid 04:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * I don't think that's what TK is doing. Whereas Andy obviously uses "liberal" as code for "anyone who doesn't agree with me," TK uses it as a mark (sorry, game lingo).  Andy has a dichotomy in place, but with the result of creating special bins he can classify people to, and then use it the label "liberal" as shorthand to disregard or oppose anything said by anyone in the liberal bin.  With TK, I can't really tell if he believes in Andy's absurd dichotomy, but he certainly makes use of it.  TK calling his opposition "liberal" is a way to slander his opponents in the higher-up's eyes by using the site's ideology against his enemies.  It's like a codeword/signal for "rally to me, attack my opponent," while making him appear to be the conservative oppressed hero.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  05:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * TK, Bugler and RodWeathers all use "liberal" like some people use "racist" or "nazi". Ooh, you disagree with me; if I yell "liberal" loud enough you'll get embarrassed and go away. As Arcan said, they use it as an insult, not for idealogical purposes. --PsyGremlinWhut? 05:47, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * That's not quite what I meant. It's an insult, sure, but it's more than that for the people trying to curry favor with the "inner circle."  By crying "liberal," you're denigrating your opponent, but you're also both gaining conservative cred and sounding the horn for other conservatives to join you.  If it's just TK vs. Tim, it may be hard for someone to choose a side, since you're choosing an individual to favor, but if it's a conservative vs. a liberal, it's a lot easier for CPers to decide who they back.  In this way, "liberal" is not just insulting, it's demonizing and galvanizing.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  06:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Builds morale for your side and pushes away the other...it uplifts and separates! --Kels 10:17, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Kels... on nom nom... *ahem* yeah, they use "liberal" as both ideological AND insult. They call Phil a liberal when discussing with him to discredit him, and revert "liberal bias" when the facts are not what they like (ideology). They just use it as a means to victory: scream liberal, and you'll win! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  10:33, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * They're like howler monkeys. The monkey that can howl "liberal" the loudest and longest has the most influence.  This is why the default rebuttal to any argument is "you're a liberal."  Stile4aly 13:36, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Blessed are the peacemakers... --Kels 15:14, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Teenagers part duh.
I'm amazed at how quickly Schlafly's list of wondrous teenagers is fizzling out, considering everything was invented, created, written, etc, etc by teenagers. Apart from a few notable examples, the rest is a joke. Even Vietnam soldiers are 'notable' now. When he starts hauling in David, John and Mary (no, not the folk band) you know the barrel is being scraped. Sad thing is, even when confronted with this, it won't shut the buffoon up. --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:29, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * My favorite bit is this. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that simple facts can have liberal bias, but still.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  08:36, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * What's more, a significant number of those listed are not so much "remarkable achievements by teenagers" as they are "achievements that are only remarkable because they were done by kids or teenagers" - e.g. Menuhin, Fischer, Mozart, Paolini, Cornwall. Not that I really expect Andy to operate at such a level of abstraction. -- 09:06, 30 December 2008 (EST)

That's kinda sick, Mary getting conceived at an early age being some sort of achievement. I can just see Andy telling Phyllis in his Kermit voice: "I'm going out for a while to make a few teenagers have some great achievements. *wink wink*" <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman   Cyser Melomel  10:37, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Just imagine the pressure this puts Andy's pupils under. Hey, kids, achieve greatness NOW or it's too late. Silver Sloth 11:18, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Bugler just added Carrier (inventor of modern AC). According to WP he did this in 1902 which would make him 26, nevermind that the 20 Bugler quoted wouldn't make Carrier a teen.  Jr  ss  r5  12:31, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ooh, we should add him to our list. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  13:23, 30 December 2008 (EST)

The only one on the list I can get behind is Galois. Some of them are just outright legends (Why stop at the Bible, Assfly? There's a wealth of fictional teenagers to draw on for your list!) Many of the Biblical figures he lists who possibly actually existed, he's pulling numbers out of his arse for their age (Bestest evar, John cited to Mystery: Was John a child? Not much of a mystery if you claim you already know, idiot.)

Many of the rest involve killing people. Now you've got to respect many VC winners, buy seriously despite their heroism in the line of duty have they really done anything to make the world a better place? If this is the sum of great achievements by teenagers who apparently contributed the majority of great discoveries and inventions, I guess we must be secretly living in the dark ages. --JeevesMkII 00:47, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think with this entry, not only can we consider the barrel well and truly scraped, but alsoAndy's mindset. A great achievement by teens? Creating Conservapedia, of course! --PsyGremlinWhut? 00:52, 31 December 2008 (EST)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa ... The homeschooling angle is genius. That's the best bit of madness that troglodyte has come up with in a long, long time. -- 04:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Unitarian Terrorism!?
Speaking as Unitarian Universalist myself, I am wondering where the terrorism stuff comes into play. Our seven principles are (easy children's version for all you libruls): 1. Each person is important. 2. Be kind in all you do. 3. We're free to learn together. 4. And search for what is true. 5. All people need a vote. 6. Build a fair and peaceful world. 7. We care for earth's lifeboat. Perhaps CP could adopt these principles for a week to see how things go. Jimaginator 10:40, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * To CP, that IS terrorism. How dare you peaceful cretins, how dare you! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  10:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * That wouldn't work on CP for the following reasons:
 * 1. Each person is important. Unless you're a non-sysop, or worse, a liberal
 * 2. Be kind in all you do. Nope - Andy said that mockery is ok in attacking non-conservative POVs
 * 3. We're free to learn together. But girls will be tested differently than boys because of chivalry
 * 4. And search for what is true. As long as it's "True" in Andy's worldview. Otherwise it's liberal claptrap
 * 5. All people need a vote. Nope, that's a mobocracy
 * 6. Build a fair and peaceful world. Where everyone carries the mostly defensive weapon of gun to keep the peace
 * 7. We care for earth's lifeboat. Sorry - no "scarcity worship" claptrap allowed
 * --SpinyNorman 11:06, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Holy shit! You just blew this wide open. #3: We're free to Learn Together. Learn Together is a Unitarian terrorist! DickTurpis 11:24, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Reminds me of a G.B. Shaw quote: "Christianity might be a good thing if anyone ever tried it." Jimaginator 11:39, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Oh, no! It's the Unitarian Jihad! --Gulik 17:12, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Good find, fella! ;)

"Beware! Unless you people shut up and begin acting like grown-ups with brains enough to understand the difference between political belief and personal faith, the Unitarian Jihad will begin a series of terrorist-like actions. We will take over television studios, kidnap so-called commentators and broadcast calm, well-reasoned discussions of the issues of the day. We will not try for 'balance' by hiring fruitcakes; we will try for balance by hiring non-ideologues who have carefully thought through the issues."
 * --Robledo 22:30, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * As if that's gonna gain traction on talk radio?! Nice try, though. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:01, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Gentleman-Conservative-WTF-Are-You-Whining-About-This-Time-?
Take your meds, Ken. Seriously. --Kels 11:23, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Doesn't he realize that Batman Ms. Kels has no limits? -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 11:33, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Seriously, doesn't he know I have the power of Greyskull grrl powaaaaar on my side? But he is right, as inept as he is, and as incompetent as he regularly shows himself to be, he didn't create a million redirects after all.  But Ken, I'm not following your stupid Google links, because I don't care.  Google ranks only mean more people are laughing at you, which has been repeatedly proven.  So keep at your little delusions, they do more harm to Creation "science" than we ever could. --Kels 11:43, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, Delusion Boy's gone and burned the link. Guess it's photographic evidence time again.  Hey Ken, if you could show a little more honesty in the future, it would be appreciated. --Kels 11:47, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's back. He just deleted & recreated it inexplicably as usual.  & He did create about a dozen double redirects in the move, but CP has a bot which sweeps them all up.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 11:50, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hey, we should get a bot like that! Is it prepackaged and just needs to be turned on? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  13:35, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Looks like Wikipedia disabled theirs, as it was causing problems due to the amount of pagemove vandalism they get (way more than we do). Somebody technical who has access to the controls here might be able to extrapolate the code from the MediaWiki pages linked from there.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 13:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * I believe the redirect fixer is a standard feature in new MediaWiki versions. RationalWiki is using pretty old MediaWiki version - perhaps it's time to upgrade. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 05:31, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * I think we're only one major revision down - it's discussed somewhere else & will probably have to wait until we're on our (well TMT's) own server. Toast 05:48, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ah, so I was right about his incompetence, he just had someone else to clean it up for him. Also, I will note in regards to my statement in regards to Ken that it is idiocy in action that no one has shown that statement to be in error in regards to Ken's idiocy. --Kels 11:56, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Incompetence in action. --Kels 12:10, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Huh, didn't even know that there was a dedicated bot for that! --Sid 12:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * On a side note, I count 63 "regard*"s in the 'evolution' article quote bank. Toast 12:18, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * (only 25 "stated" though Toast 12:46, 30 December 2008 (EST))
 * The Atheism screed article only has 45. He's just not trying hard enough. --Kels 12:30, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Holy crap, 102 in the Homosexuality article. Guess we know where he puts all his attention, eh? --Kels 12:33, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * (More than 70 "stated" in homosexuality Toast 12:46, 30 December 2008 (EST))
 * (one fewer in Teenage homosexuality! Toast 00:47, 31 December 2008 (EST) )
 * I just pasted his favorite three articles into MS Word to see how long they would be if they were printed out. Homosexuality is a mindblowing 55 pages, with Atheism and Evolution slightly less disturbing at only 35 and 33 pages long, respectively.   01:18, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Obviously stung by the above crtitique he's made a stab at removing one "in regards to", one "in respect to" and one "stated" from Teenage homosexuality but has left us with it is important the teenagers are knowledge about the causes of homosexuality. Gentlemen-Ken-please-read-number-20. <font color=Blue>Генгис    08:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Well, THAT freed up some spare time
Guess I was making too much sense again... --SpinyNorman 14:46, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Commiserations. Bet you a cupcake you later find your IP address blocked for six times as long as your account.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 14:56, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * And now I've got a craving for cupcakes, damn your eyes! --Kels 15:01, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * TK is watching us. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 17:35, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * But he'll still lose the bet. He only blocked the IP for 25 days. ;)EternalCritic 18:16, 30 December 2008 (EST)

CPAdmin1 to the rescue! --Kels 23:56, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Timmah has unblocked 3 or 4 personae non grata. Surely this is the end for him.  Stile4aly 01:21, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'd say that it was a declaration of war rather than a suicide bid. Toast 01:24, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Nope. Suicide.  At least he went out on a high note.  --Gulik 03:33, 1 January 2009 (EST)

New Sysops
With the announcement that there will be new sysops should we start placing our bets? I say Bugler, RW, and TK will all get it plus maybe JessiaT who actually should get it but I have no idea who the fifth will be. Also I bet this is when PJR and Tim get purged --BoredCPer 20:02, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Bungler and RW without a doubt. Jess has stood up to them, though, and taken Tim's side: she's out. TK is 50/50, I'd bet.- 20:06, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * "Biggest expansion..." yeah, right. I bet 100% Bugger, 85% RW, 60% a couple of homskollars, 35% TK... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:18, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Five is a lot. This pool needs updating.  I reckon Bugler, TK & RW for sure.  Maybe Jessica.  I really can't think of anybody else, so probably Chippeterson or a token student.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 20:33, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Are there even five non-parodists editing regularly at CP who aren't already sysops? Bjones 20:37, 30 December 2008 (EST)

So RW needs to do 10. 68.35.149.19 20:39, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Professor Jensen? Bugler RW TK Jess. Toast 20:41, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Jpatt & Foxtrot! How could I forget them?! So I'm reckoning on it being Bugler, TK, RodWeathers, Jpatt & Foxtrot. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 20:43, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ekk here I was thinking that Jpatt was already a sysop. Ok he is my pick for the 5th but I still say one of them maybe Jessica since even Andy should be able to pick someone who has earned it since his pool of nonblocked/not already one is soo small to begin with.--BoredCPer 20:52, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * My money's on Jpatt and Bugler for sure. Maybe Jess, RW, TK, Hsmom, RJJensen. I see somebody is already trying to influence the odds. --Marty 20:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hmmm, I might have to make Jpatt and Bugler unbackable at this rate. - User   20:57, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Memmemememememem Me! Unblock me and sysop me :) Merry Kristmuss and a happy solstice (the reason for the season) Andy! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:09, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Is Brianco still in the running, or has he been inactive? He was my favorite, but I think others have been much higher profile recently. TK seems a certainty, and Jpatt and Foxtrot seem likely as well. Rod hasn't been on my radar until recently, so I'll have to research him a bit more to evaluate. If it's going to be 5, Bugler will have to be one of them. I previously thought Andy was smart enough to realize that even if Bugler weren't a parodist, he was at least a liability in terms of community. But he pretty clearly doesn't care about pissing off the few reliable contributors he has left, so Bugler will be promoted. The 5 safe bets seem to be TK, Bugler, Jpatt, Foxtrot, and RW, but safe bets are seldom a safe bet, in such quantities. What I find telling is this sudden mass promotion. Clearly Andy realizes that most of his current sysops are either inactive or liberal. Changes must be made. Will we be seeing the demotion of PJR and Tim? I guess that's another pool to set up. DickTurpis 21:01, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Isn't it time CP took down their damn xMas tree? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:06, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Dude, not 'til Epiphany. Don't you know anything about Jebus? DickTurpis 21:08, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * So when the hell is that? Our rule was always, tree up after T-Day, down before New Years.  Helps prevent forest fires, and all. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:00, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Way back, when I used to do a tree and actually celebrate Xmas, I'd leave it up 'til Twelfth Night. Haven't bothered with one in years, though, as Xmas is getting to be further and further distant for me. --Kels 23:06, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * My last tree was in about '93... a nice tall ten footer... the GF decorated it with purple and yellow stuff she stoled from work (dept store visuals dept). I thought it looked like an easter tree... I gave us a bunch of pots and pans on my ServMerch card.  Those were the days... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:35, 30 December 2008 (EST)

As some already said, my bets are on TK, RW, Bugler, Jpatt, and... RJJenson. Foxtrot has been inactive, Jessica♥ is too new, etc. etc. Andy won't de-sysop PJR or Tim simply because he overrules them no matter what the situation, meaning he can insult them, berate them, revert them, and know they'll keep editing like gluttons of punishment. <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:59, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * 100% - spot on Viking person. Wonder if Bugger'l take the cue to run amok & display his trollishness/parodising. Toast 22:24, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Oh Dear. Andy really is that stupid. --Kels 22:25, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * AAAAArgh! Toast 22:30, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Is Bert schloschoschoschoschberg in the running? Toast 22:30, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Doubtful, he and RJJergenstein haven't been making their new user bullying quota lately. --Kels 22:31, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Is Schlafly dropping us a hint about Tim and PJR? <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 22:46, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Interesting ... verrry interesting! Toast 22:49, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hehe. I had a similar (But probably dumber) thought. I came in here to ask if Andy was smarter than we thought and he was dropping a hint about Bugler, TK and RW. Patrickr 22:51, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * (Death by EC x 2!) Presumably he's thinking of priests not wearing frocks. As to user rights, I have no idea what's going on in that head, if anything.  Clearly he's not promoting Parrothead or Dwain, so what's the deal? --Kels 22:53, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Maybe, Patrickr is right and Schlafly has wised up. He doesn't need to demote Bugler and RW to give them greater user rights, does he? <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 23:00, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * That's what I thought was Verrry eenterestink. (but shtupid) Toast 23:11, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Could be muddying the waters, so it's not obvious. Although I thought demoting HelpJazz for "Inactivity" was a nice, deceitful touch. --Kels 23:05, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * The eternal optimist in me says he's pulled his head out of his arse momentarily and decided to boot the parodists. It'd be one small step for a manager, one giant leap for Andy-kind... --Robledo 23:08, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * The demotion of Bugler and RW is pretty clearly a clean slate sort of thing for a much bigger promotion. No real reason for it, other than some sort of taste for theatrics, I guess. DickTurpis 23:11, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Is night editing on/off? They'll be unable to edit if he's turned it off. Toast 23:19, 30 December 2008 (EST)

He's obviously prepping to give Bugger and RatWithers sysop privs. What one day of no rights, compared to an eternity of being a senior admin? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:31, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Did he think 2009 was tomorrow and is off a day (LAWL), or has he gawt sum evul plan lerrrrking? [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  23:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * OH OH OH! Who wants to bet Bugler/TK/RW will ban HelpJazz as soon as they can? Now that he's been demoted to a hated, disgusting, liberal with no voice or power, he's deemed expendable like the rest of the human population. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  23:57, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * I've still got my fingers crossed for evil javascript tricks a couple of days after one of the obvious parodists is promoted. I reckon it'd be hilarious if someone added some javascript that changed the email account settings of anyone who visited the wiki while logged in to an anonymous email account, such that the unscrupulous coulc change their password and hence compromise the account. Also, it probably should rewrite every page so it's just a giant picture of Hitler. --JeevesMkII 00:09, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Of course, what a truly dedicated troll/wandal would do is: carry on unchanged until given OVERSIGHT - what mayhem could be perpetrated then! Toast 00:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Five new sysops promises to make things very interesting indeed. Will they all be from the goon squad or will Schlafly actually promote from merit? I think the key promotion is TK. If he gets his old rights back then Bugger and RWer will be shoo-ins. Possibly with Jpratt and Foxcrap bringing up the rear. All this messing about with user rights in advance of the pronouncement is daft though. Why haven't any of the other possibles had their user rights tidied up in advance? If he really wanted to tidy up how about removing all those user groups left over from the competitions? Looking at the user rights log I see BenjaminS got checkuser for "promotion based on contributions" while TK was just given it without comment, just like you'd toss a busker a few pennies as you pass by. I agree the HelpJazz demotion was pretty callous, especially as there are quite a few sysops who have been inactive. When did we last see SharonS or DeborahB. doing anything not related to homework? Bethany has been very quiet and as for the infamous CollegeRepublican well it seems like a year since he made his second and last edit, oh 20 December 2007 is actually more than a year ago! And Freedom777 - four articles then disappears? If Andy was to promote based on merit of actual contributions then Jessica, BrianCO and RRJensen deserve consideration but none have shown their rottweiler teeth. There was a hint from Learn together that BrianCo was being considered behind the scenes but then so was HelpJazz. Whatever the outcome I perceive much hilarity for 2009.
 * What's Oversight? FurryQuack 07:03, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's an extension which allows users to permanently hide revisions.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  07:11, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * (EC) Oversight is the supreme power of memory-holing. It allows the user to remove things completely from the database without any trace. Although a sysop can delete a page it still shows up in the logs. <font color=Blue>Генгис    07:36, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Other than Bugler & RodWeathers, the three other people whose rights Andy is "tidying for 2009" are Dwain, Parrothead and JY23. I don't know anything about who those people are, but it's looking like they're the next sysops. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId ~ 08:51, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Andy will do his very best to show his great qualities as a leader, so I'd expect something absolutely random: He'll try to be tough, while pleasing everybody - and he'll fail, grandiosely, as usual. LArron 09:07, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * demotion of Bugler, CPAdmin1
 * promotion of TK, JessicaT
 * Wow that's a curve ball from left field. (Does that make sense?). The most awesome thing would be for TK not to get re-sysopped while Bugger & RW get the parodist knighthoods as well as a couple of regular meritocrats. I presume all this is in anticpation of King Andy issuing his own New Year's Honours List. <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:18, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, this curve ball hit its target (Sorry, I don't play Pétanque or Boule)! Happy New Year LArron 05:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Apparently there might even be six new sysops now. I din't think there were that many people left editing at CP!--Carmardy 09:39, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * That's okay, statistically speaking, four of them are bound to be Ames. --Kels 09:53, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * So who's the sixth... did they stroke his "ego" enough for an explosion of... praise? :D [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  09:55, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Isn't there a Sysop pool for tracking these bets? If someone can point me to it I'll add my 2 cents, but if I'm wrong here's my prediction.  Bugler and RW are locks per Andy's updates, and I'm 99.9% confident Jpatt's right behind them.  KotomiT is next because she's always contributing and is a counterpoint for the personalities of the first two.  BenjaminS, BrianCo and dark horse newcomer DeniseM are in my tossup pool for the remaining spots, as is TK.  I tend to think that since Andy's given him so many rights already, there's really no reason for him not to go all the way.  --SpinyNorman 10:10, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Guess I should have included Joaquin, since Andy bumped the number from 5 to 6 after his acceptance speech Thank you to Andy. --SpinyNorman 10:16, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Please gamble responsibly. --Robledo 10:21, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * F**k me! I'd forgotten the art connoisewer - so its Bug, RW, TK, JM, Jess & JPatt! Toast 11:36, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * JM is already a sysop, I think. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  11:51, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Not wanting to blow my own trumpet but here's to promotion! [[image:Party_animal.gif]] Auld Nick 13:07, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Eh!? - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 13:42, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * See the running gag (or conspiracy theory (or prediction)) hinted at here for example. --Sid 13:46, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, I see. In that case, I can announce that Kels is RodWeathers, Human is TK, Proxima Centauri is Jpatt, and I am Andy. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 14:11, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * And I am CPAdmin1. --CPAdmin1 14:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I am Batman Spartacus  Carmen Sandiego wait a minute, I've never even had an account at CP!  (although TK did block my IP once because he's an idiot) --Kels 14:17, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * In regards to sockpuppets I will state that I am Kenservative. <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 14:31, 31 December 2008 (EST)

(unindentify) I don't get what everyone's betting on. At least five, maybe six new sysops? It's not like there's a massive field of contenders for you guys to choose from. To be honest, I don't really know where Andy is going to find his final two sysops from; I reckon he'll promote some relative unknowns (like that bible translation girl a few days ago), hoping to thus inspire fanatical loyalty unto death in them. It's gotta be Bugler; it's gotta be RodWeathers; it's gotta be JessicaT (sorry if the gottas are annoying you), but after that, I really don't know where he'll get them from. Contribution-wise I'd say JY23 and JPatt, but I don't think they hate gays and Obama and atheism enough (or aren't verbal enough about it) to be promoted to sysop. And that still leaves one more person. Andy likes people to kiss his ass, and I've never seen that from either. The REAL question is, once RodWeathers and Bugler are sysops (as they probably will be), how long will it be before CP explodes? EddyP 15:42, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * We've all forgotten HSmom. A good "merit" promotion, I'd think.  The fun part is to figure out who's been pulling Andy' strings after he makes the announcement(s) based on who he picks. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:33, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Looks like LArron just about called it right. That was a surprise with Buggerer and RW getting the chop. Damn. Now I need somebody else to hate over there. --PsyGremlinWhut? 06:36, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Lobbyists
The list of Obama Lobbyists is awesome, I don't suppose that anyone could do something similar for teh Bush ditto? ... No? I thought not. ... Oh well, I only asked. Toast 23:49, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Not enough space on the server, presumably. --Kels 23:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hmm, seriously though, what was with all the anti-lobbyist stuff I heard from the Obama campaign? 209.181.144.90 00:57, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * While thinking the lobby system stinks, I d appreciate that he's got to get experts on various subjects from somewhere, & they'll be bound to have some kind of alliegance to something beforehand. At least they aren't hiding their affiliations. (Assuming that I've got the US lobby system right, that is) Toast 01:29, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I find it hysterical that they list Michael Huerta, whose "lobbyist" credentials include working for the Olympics Committee. You can't get much more benign than that.   06:22, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * @ Toast, they actually have to register in order to lobby Congress. There are thousands of them.  I think they call the corridor where they hang out "Gucci Gulch".  I don't mind pols getting "expert advice", which, in many cases, needs to come at least partly from people who are involved with making money on the topic.  What I mind is when the pols only consult such lobbyists, present bills written by them, etc.  Also, keep in mind that not all lobbyists are teh Ebil Capitalizt Skum, many non-profits, etc., employ them too. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:37, 31 December 2008 (EST)

2009
New Year's eve, I suspect a lot of lickspittles will be queuing up to kiss the Assfly. But in the meantime what I want to know is what the possessive "Year's" are doing in Andy's reply to Jessica? <font color=Blue>Генгис   07:50, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * All your years are belong to Assfly. In related news, isn't Ken's article of the year up for renewal? Any bets on that happening? --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:59, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Four more years! Four more years! --Kels 08:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * The first one ("a happy New Year's to you") is standard English; "New Year's" being an elision of "New Year's Day" or more generally the season around New Year's [Day] (or sometimes New Year's Eve, depending on context; e.g. one might be attending a New Year's party tonight). The second one ("to bring in the New Year's") is a mangled remembering of the idiom "to ring in the New Year", and should not be possessivized. --Marty 16:32, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Standard English? Sorry but that sounds like a load of bollocks. I've never heard anyone wish someone else a Happy New Year's Day, they wish a Happy New Year, that's the whole 365 days not just one day or even a party.  Lily Ta, wack! 10:04, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * That seems reasonable to me. Though is that not the kind of proletarian patios that the Assfly objects to? All the same perhaps undo this. Any way I've had enough of the heuchterin and teuchterin at BBC Alba, Blianadh Bha Ur!, and I'm away to the pub and a guid New Year tae ane an aw!. Auld Nick 20:11, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * I believe Marx covered proletarian patios in his famous work Das Verandah. I've undone as you suggested. (A couple more of the quotes on that page &mdash; ones that can be easily explained as dropping the word "a" (July 1) or replacing "let" with "you" (June 20) &mdash; seem unjustified too, but I'll leave that to the people who do things here other than lurk at WIGO.) --Marty 04:54, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Lonesome Ken
Breaking News! Wow Peter LaBarbera recently wrote an interesting piece. Thanks Ken. <font color=Blue>Генгис   08:20, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ken's a lonely, lonely child in a man's body, and even his supposed peers over at CP barely give him the time of day when he goes through all the trouble to post pretty animated gifs and overblown bragging on their pages. Heck, he put a whole paragraph on Andy's page, and he didn't even get a reply.  We're about the only ones who recognize his existence these days. --Kels 08:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hey, credit where credit is due, it only took him two edits! (And Andy took down that ratty-by-now tree.  Phew...) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:54, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * {psst, it was artificial) --Kels 17:53, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * (It was still ratty - and stunk of leftover snack-reheating) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:43, 31 December 2008 (EST)

R.I.P. SamHB
TK casually destroyed the biggest pillar of the community of mathematicians at CP - describing SamHB (editor since April 4, 2008) as a sock of AlanS (editor since October 19th, 2008) is just the icing of the cake.

The handling of SamHB may be a warning to new contributors on mathematics, like WilliamBeason (Well, he named evolution as one of his scientific interests, so he won't stay that long...) --LArron 11:37, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * No, the icing on the cake is the sideline comment in the block reason: "previously blocked". Assuming that this applies to me (which I would guess, going by the way the sentence is phrased), then I gotta say that none of my blocks were fair, and my current one is one month for suggestiong (a) that you need an education as a linguist, translator or biblical scholar before retranslating the Bible and (b) that it might be a good idea to hand out Page Move rights because 150+ requests are still pending.
 * Needless to say that I'm not SamHB, but I'm definitely not surprised to see him being banned: He knew a few things about mathematics and showed some compassion. And such qualities are Bad Things on CP. --AlanS 11:50, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I see Tim has unblocked both of you. And as this is my last post for 2008 (been celebrating time zone new years every hour on the hour), Happy New Year, you 'orrible lot. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:44, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * And down you both go again I wonder how long this block war will go on? --BoredCPer 19:27, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Happy New Year, SamHB and AlanS
 * 19:17, 31 December 2008 TK (Talk | contribs) blocked SamHB (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) ‎ (Sock of blocked user: his is a sock of AlanS, previously blocked. )
 * 19:19, 31 December 2008 TK (Talk | contribs) blocked AlanS (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts: SamHB was sock)
 * The all-knowing TK has judged you, and you have failed. Sorry. LArron 19:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Gotta love how TK keeps claiming that SamHB is the sock, even though he joined way earlier than Alan. Also interesting how hard this open encyclopedia project tries to lock people out. --Sid 19:35, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * This is why CP can't ever succeed--due to Andy's narrowminded paranoia, they have to maintain such a high level of information control that they end up strangling their precious little flipper-baby in its crib. --Gulik 03:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Great Achievements by Teenagers
Andy adds another great achievement, presumably to the world of comedy: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Great_Achievements_by_Teenagers&diff=597829&oldid=597769 I'd add it myself, but I don't know how ;_; EddyP 12:04, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * The irony there is that if you consider "most popular" articles on CP, including their Article of the Year, these are locked and managed by a handful of editors who I believe are not teens. Teens may have started CP, but the content they are most proud of is being created and managed by adults.  --SpinyNorman 12:10, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Physically they're adults. Their mental age, though.... EddyP 12:14, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * D'you honestly think that anyone but Ken's proud of his three articles? Toast 12:16, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Nobody but Ken's read those three articles. --Kels 12:26, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'd say Andy is proud in a passive way because he's never stopped Ken from promoting them, and he's never hesitated to talk about CP as a top search result for Evolution. Andy's always been more interested in numbers (pageviews, class size) than in the quality of the content behind those numbers or the thought that people come to CP to laugh as much or more than they do to learn.  --SpinyNorman 12:21, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Of course, as they're more than one sentence long (and how!), he's probably never read them anyway. Toast 12:24, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Thanks for adding it! I look forward to seeing how highly it scores. Very, guesses I. EddyP 12:29, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Adoption?
These guys really like making random lists, don't they? I suppose this is some sort of anti-abortion argument or something, but it's pretty thin. --Kels 13:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I really like the latest:Moses! Didn't he rather betray his adoptive parents? (Sorry if I'm wrong, but it's 50 years+ since I read teh Bibble) Toast 13:22, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well yeah, but Moses' parents were wrong! --Kels 13:29, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, since they're adding fictional characters maybe somoene should add Luke Skywalker or Frodo Baggins. EternalCritic 14:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * They weren't so much adopted as in fosterage. King Arthur or the Julio-Claudian emperors, on the other hand... -- 14:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Was Harry Potter adopted by his uncle and aunt, or was that another fostering situation? --Kels 14:51, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Come to think of it, shouldn't Jesus be on that list... I'm sure Joseph "Adopted" the boy. After all, it wasn't his... /eyeroll EternalCritic 15:26, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * YOU CALLED IT. Eternal! Toast 20:54, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Done. <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 20:51, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * (Sorry FernoK, didn't see your entry! Toast 20:56, 31 December 2008 (EST))
 * That Mary, she'd fall into bed with any God who asked. Lucky job Zeus didn't get to her first, or the farm animals wouldn't just be spectators at the birth. --Kels 15:28, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * At least Zeus, like all Greek gods, was flawed, unlike Judeo Christian absurdities. Note, i find all religions ludicrous, but Christianity more than most. EternalCritic 15:35, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I wouldn't say Zeus was "flawed". Are you just saying that because you think anyone who cheats on his wife with thousands of nubile Greek girls is "flawed"? :) Anyway, it's not like Zeus ever died or anything. (Odin, on the other hand...!) I'll agree that the literature of ancient Greek religion is way more enlightening, and probably easier to defend from a theological point of view, than the bare-bones Protestantism of American megachurches ("God is perfect, Jesus died on the cross, don't have sex. Class dismissed"), but don't go equating that particular kind of illiterate modern Christianity with Judaism or Catholicism or Eastern Christianity without some justification. (Side note: Someone recently mentioned that Andy was Catholic? Why doesn't he send his kids to Catholic school then? Is the Pope too liberal for him too?) --Marty 16:54, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I do like the ancient attitude of "We can't understand the Gods, they've got motivations we can't understand, so let's just stay the hell out of their way and try not to attract attention." --Kels 17:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andy is Catholic in name, nutbar fundie Baptist-esque in practice. --Kels 17:14, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Is he still one "in name"? I know he was raised RCC, so I guess they own him, but he's more like a born-again without the born again propaganda now. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:23, 31 December 2008 (EST)

(UNINDENT) I live in Texas. I don't really have to deal with many non fundies. I feel that all variations of Christianity have been sufficiently proven false at this point. EternalCritic 18:43, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * That's lovely; I'm happy to see that there apparently remains no subject so obscure that it can't be turned into a critique of religion in general and Christianity in particular. Adoption. Huh. -- 18:57, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well the religious try to bring it in to every facet of life from economics to quantum physics, so why shouldn't we do the same? Toast 19:03, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * OH yes! HAPPY NEW YEAR! Toast 19:04, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Way I see it, the fact that specimens like Andy or Fred Phelps haven't been incinerated by bolts of lightning yet is a good argument against conventional Christian faith. --Gulik 03:46, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Chafing
Bugler's really starting to feel the effects of losing his "block first, ask questions never" powers. Note he hasn't made any comment whatsoever on the user's talk page or the adoption page, so one assumes he just intended to block the guy outright without discussion. Anywhere else, that would work against becoming a sysop. --Kels 13:59, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * There's not a question in my mind that Bugler's loss of rights is just a predicate to him getting a full sysop-ship. Same with RW.- 14:09, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's so funny how Andy removes their rights a whole day before New Years, lulz exactly like that happen. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  14:32, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * 5 gets you 10 that he thought it was New Year's Eve when he did it. Probably let his annual glass of Amontillado go to his brain [sic]. Toast 15:01, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * (E.C.)This is another one of those cases where my first thought is that there is some conspiracy afoot. But then I reflect on how stupid Andy is and that thought goes away... Bjones 15:03, 31 December 2008 (EST)

I don't think Bugler's and RW's rights-strippings were a good sign; I think Andy might really be punishing the parodists. However, if he had finally decided that they were Liberal Parodists, why wouldn't he just block them outright? (To mollify Ed/TK? But surely TK's been talking to Andy off-wiki anyway, and would have had a hand in any promotion/demotion/parodist discussions?) So I'm also confused. --Marty 16:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * It doesn't make sense from any angle. If he's promoting them, the cleanup is pointless.  If he's demoting them, the cleanup is pointless.  And why on earth would he? He's never disagreed with a single thing they've done or said. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 17:16, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * maybe he finally figured out that he is a parodist. --CPAdmin1 19:12, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Tim, don't fool yourself. :P [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  19:22, 31 December 2008 (EST)

New Year's Clemency
Congrats Linus ?- 15:38, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * What did he do? And what are the odds he's logging onto CP everyday to see if he's been unblocked? EddyP 15:44, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I like his block log, Karajou blocks him with an ideological reason, and Geo reinforced the block. Never woulda saw that if not for Geo. :P (On a side note, TK range blocked my IP just a few minutes ago... Orlando, FL! I'd complain if I were editing there) [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  16:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)

...I was reading
Upon looking at Why Do Non-Conservatives Exist, I found a claim that Hannah Montana is a liberal show that mocks conservative values. I know this is Conservapedia, but c'mon, not even the rightest of the right can claim that it's a liberal show - or can it? &mdash; Unsigned, by: 75.169.199.193 / talk / contribs
 * Never seen it, but it apparently stars a reasonable looking young woman, so it will obviously inflame the sexual tensions. Only uugly women should be allowed on t'telly. Toast 18:16, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Presumably she wears pants and fails to bake cupcakes for the boys. Obviously trying to tear down the gender paradigm. --Kels 18:40, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Note that those TV shows are only "posing as comedies". Really their purpose is to deprave and corrupt, and to propagate the liberal worldview. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 19:43, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, they're not comedies to Andy because they're not about the only things he finds amusing: The suffering of poor people or heathens. --Gulik 03:50, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Hannah replaced by The Simpsons. Toast 23:24, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Not surprising, but still very sad
Tim resigns with an epic post. :( Farewell, dude... God knows you tried... --Sid 19:42, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * You did the right thing, dude. And summed up matters in an admirably comprehensive manner.  There are even more things wrong with the place, but you put forward the things you objected to very clearly and, to use Andy's favourite term, concisely.  I hope you find a good project that fits your needs, you'd be an asset to them. --Kels 19:46, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Kudos. You invested much time and work - I'm sorry that it ended this way. And TK's farewell is particularly heart-warming:
 * (Block log); 19:41 . . TK (Talk | contribs) blocked CPAdmin1 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) (insistence on last wordism)
 * Happy New Year: I hope you'll enjoy other projects... LArron 19:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Oh, if you're still reading Tim, there are a couple of funny wordings/links in the Liberalism paragraph, you might take a look at them. --Kels 19:54, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * What is TK doing? If he wants to be among the new sysops, he's playing it very risky with this block.  (Unless he already knows for sure that he is or isn't on the list).  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 19:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm guessing TK wrote the list. --Kels 20:04, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Aw, man. Very sad indeed, but I can completely see where you're coming from. A wiki to present conservative/Christian issues would be a great idea, but Conservapedia makes us conservatives look bad. The entire "everything liberal is bad, everything bad is liberal, every conservative value will be taken to its extreme, oh, and Obama is a Muslim with mind control powers" agenda makes CP look like the Colbert Report, just less funny. I wish you the best for your life and hope you find happiness wherever you go. :) --AlanS 20:01, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * This means that the last bastion of reason on CP is PJR. Our chances aren't good - at least Tim acknowledged our existence.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  20:14, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * 🇰🇪 acknowledges us too! XD XD XD --20:20, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Oh, for fuck's sake, Andy! --Sid 20:14, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Class act there, all the way. Not even a response, just sweep it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen, while TK blocks and rangeblocks yet again. Guess they're showing Tim he made the right choice. --Kels 20:17, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Wow, Andy takes fast and decisive actions
 * (User rights log); 20:15 . . Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:CPAdmin1 from Check users, Siteadmin and Administrators to Siteadmin (resignation and excessive repetition of Parthian Shot)
 * What a prick! LArron 20:18, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Um... I Resigned. Isn't that what's supposed to happen? --CPAdmin1 20:21, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, no. You are supposed to be kidnapped, taken to Portmeiron, and an endless series of authority figures try to find out why you really resigned. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * If it's any consolation, you'll be provided with a closet full of spiffy new tailor-made suits. And free bicycle rides. --Kels 21:56, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Why the hell did he leave you with Siteadmin powers - why didn't he go all the way?  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  20:22, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * (EC) Not really. You've been there since the start, literally. He just tossed you away without even crying for you to come back, like he did with DeanS. No acknowledgment of your efforts, no "good luck", just booted you like the asshole he is. I'm sorry that happened to you, I really am. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  20:24, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hell, he's made more fuss over freakin' Karajou's hissy fits when he knew Mr. Cut'n'Paste was going to be back in a day or two. --Kels 20:26, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * (EC x 2) Tradionally, a non-asshole would, you know, acknowledge you to some degree beforehand, rather than threatening everyone else who uses your ISP. It's not like you didn't provide them with far more quality service than about 90% of the people he chooses to surround himself with. --Kels 20:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * (EC x 3)
 * (I got carried away :-) Yes, to a certain extend, but I've never seen Andy acting that fast. And in a decent surrounding, I'd expect a couple of niceties (the golden watch) first. LArron 20:26, 31 December 2008 (EST)

You deserve better Tim. Good luck wherever you go. <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 20:29, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Tim broke two of the Unwritten Commandments, though. He failed to treat all liberals, and us in particular, as subhuman scum, and he posted criticism of His Conservativeness and his blog wiki on his own talk page, where it couldn't be easily ignored.  To an authoritarian like Andy, that's tantamount to high treason. --Kels 20:31, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * Forcing him to rename as well. Andy is taking his lead from TK & being as much of an asshole about this as humanly possible.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 20:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, come on. Why should Tim keep the username "CPAdmin1" when he is no longer an admin? And, as an aside, what about those renames that were performed on Fall down?  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  20:50, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Erm, because he's quit: he's not going to be editing there anymore, so it's irrelevent whether a user account he is no longer going to be using contains the word Admin. If Andy had an ounce of common decency, he would respect a longterm trusted contributor's right to walk, and let him leave with the same name he has always had, instead of making his leaving as awkward and clinical as possible.  & as an aside, nothing to do with me, but not really comparable at all - completely different reasons.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 21:00, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Well, the first collateral rolls in

Isn't blocking for last wordism a contradictio in adiecto? LArron 20:46, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * 20:41 . . TK (Talk | contribs) blocked JimJeweler (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) (insistence on last wordism)
 * How does this work for our best of 2008? It's still 08 where I live but it's 09 already in some parts of the world..... Where does this one go cause it gets my vote.  Sorry you won't stick around here Tim, we could really benefit from having someone like you around.  Well, best of luck to you and I hope everything goes well in your life.  You could probably give Wikipedia a shot if you don't mind OR Nazis. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  20:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Have you noticed that even though he's had almost an hour and a half, and several interactions in that time, Andy still hasn't had a single kind word for Tim, even to the extent of recognizing his almost two years of faithful service? Compassionate Conservatism, indeed. --Kels 20:56, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I was around from November of 06, just under a different user name. --CPAdmin1 21:05, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * That makes it even worse, actually. --Kels 21:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andy's not even looking back. He'd rather dig his fucking grave more and more. I don't feel sorry for him. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:04, 31 December 2008 (EST)

I have to compliment TimS for writing an excellent resignation letter. As a lefty I originally went to Conservapedia to read an opposing viewpoint on political issues. I find that I learn a lot more about my own viewpoints when I read someone's thoughts that come from the opposite direction. Sadly, conservapedia didn't serve that purpose for me. I stopped visiting it for awhile. A few months ago I decided to return to see if had improved. It hadn't. But, the time in between visits enabled me to actually enjoy the site as if it were a parody. And, to have fun coming here to mock it. But, I really feel bad for people like PJR and Tim (Was tim formerly named MountainDew?) who fighting the good fight to create an actual conservative website find themselves stuck at a site that is a joke to both the right and the left. I don't see anything wrong with Andy stripping Tim of his username or rights. But, I think it is pretty low class of him to fail to thank him publicly for the years of service and content. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Anyway. Kudos to Tim and I hope you are able to find a site that fits your needs better. Patrickr 21:36, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Tim, best of luck, and when we copy over your letter of resignation, you don't mind if we fix the borked links Kels mentioned, do you? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Tim, I've found the best description of your resignation. Xerxes is Andy, you're Leonidas, and Greece is CP. (TK is the deformed traitor who rats you out) In the end, you know the outcome is bannage and censorship, but you've paved the way for VICTORYYYYY! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  22:24, 31 December 2008 (EST) PS - Bugler is the Immortal who gets buried in corpses, good irony!
 * Wait, does that mean THIS IS SPARTA? --JeevesMkII 22:44, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * SPARTAPEDIA! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  22:57, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, we were Deep Space 9 a couple of weeks ago, can we combine the two somehow? At least until we become Aqua Teen Hunger Force next week. Totnesmartin 08:19, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * To answer the question about MountainDew: Nope, that was DanH, another good sysop who resigned last year. --Sid 08:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)

And then there were six...
In the wake of Tim's resignation (did someone image that shit?) Andy's upped the sysop count to six and dropped hints. The three continent thing means, I think: (1) Kotomi (Asia), (2) Bungler (Europe), (3)-(6) Anyone from America.- 22:09, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think it means JessicaT(Kotomi) is number 6, & the other 5 are the people whose rights he "tidied" in preparation earlier (Bugler, RodWeathers, Dwain, Parrothead, JY23). <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 22:16, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Parrothead what an appropriate name for a Conservapedia sysop. - User   22:32, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Brawwwk! Andy is right! Brawwwk! /promote [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  22:38, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I still think there's an outside chance that Andy is smarter than he looks, and has actually demoted the obvious parodists for good. Maybe a little teacake whispered in his ear? Perhaps he'll just promote a gang of homskollars who'll never edit ever again, ala college republican. --JeevesMkII 22:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Um...he upped the count to six before Tim's resignation, I believe. --Kels 22:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yep, he did, and from the description he added to the mainpage, at least one will be a male student. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  22:54, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * StevenM? Or is he a sysop already... maybe Chickmagnet! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  22:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * What were the marks for the exam? From his usual marking scheme, everyone did "nearly perfect". --Kels 23:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * His latest hint implies they were all homskollars: "and obtained near-perfect scores on the difficult American History exam". So perhaps he really was de-powering Bugger and RodWanker.  You never know, he might be taking CP "back to it's roots" - the teenybopper achievers.  As I said above, we'll be fascinated by the figuring out how who influenced the changes - TK is the big bet, but what if the homskolls parents were the big pressure?  Just ideas... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:15, 31 December 2008 (EST)

The results are in
Good call Jeeves & Human - Bugler & RW didn't make the cut. TK is in, so is Jessica, Jpatt & RJJensen. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 23:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, I'm surprised. He actually promoted the guy overtly dedicated to destroying CP.  Way to go, Andy. --Kels 23:42, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Seems Bugler and RodWeathers are without any powers even after the promotions. - User   23:44, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm not surprised at all. At least there seems to be a couple of fair ones in there (Kotomi, Jensen)   23:44, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Poor Buggerer, all that blockin' and suckin' for no good purpose. It seems Andy has scrapped the last of his sanity from the bottom of the barrel and not doomed CP at least for today. --JeevesMkII 23:46, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * (EC) Yeah, nothing wrong with RJJ and Kotomi, although I'm betting in the latter case it was a bribe of sorts to get her to stay around given the way things have been going. The question is, now that TK has been made a sysop  senior administrator sysop, is there any reason for PJR to come back at all? --Kels 23:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Good: Contributors; Good: Homeskollars (& TK)! Toast 23:51, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'll bet Bugler gets some form of rights back soon. We haven't heard the last of him.  RW too.   23:51, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I actually find the demotions of Bugler & RW quite disconcerting. Notwithstanding that they are obvious parodists (which has never stopped Andy before), their blocking activities are so similar to TK's that I can't believe that Andy would decide for himself that they are out of line & that TK is doing great. Is TK privately influencing Andy against Bugler & RW, while still siding firmly with them in public? <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 23:53, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * EC x2) I think teh Yanks have rebelled agin the Brit invasion. I smell TK's hand. Toast 23:55, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * (EC x2)If Andy figured out that Bugler and RW were unhealthy for the site, I am surprised that he did not come to the same conclusion with TK who seems to add just as much to the online dysfunction as those two ever did. I think there is a bunch of behind the scenes TK stuff that I don't know about that probably explains the choice of him over those two. Or maybe not. Weird. Patrickr 23:56, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * My suspicion is TK got the evidence that they were parodist and ratted them out to Andy, earning his sysopship in the process. - User   23:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Doesn't explain why they were demoted instead of blocked, though. --Kels 00:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * They haven't done anything on site yet. What are they going to do walk up to Andy and say "can I have my powers back I am not really a parodist like you think". - User   00:04, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * (EC x 2) Yeah, thinking about it, I reckon TK could use checkuser to track down previous accounts they had had at CP, &/or activities here. The "getting ready" thing earlier looks like a trick by Andy to make them think they were being sysoped.  Maybe he feared another Mexmax-style blocking rampage by one of them.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 00:05, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, just like Goodfellas. Tell 'em they're getting made, but actually shoot them in the face. --JeevesMkII 00:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Forgive me for whining, but is TK, really a "new" sysop? More like an old dress with a new dye job... But, yah, thanks, Weasel, for my "really easy call" based on "evidence" that the newbs would be homskollars. (After all, their parents paid $250, I don't think I have even paid that much to support RW!)<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:13, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * With Bugler being kicked out and replaced by sane people (JessicaT for example), will CP be fun at all? Well, there's always Ed ... <font weight="normal" color="red">Etc 00:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Sorry, my above post was a bit unrelated - to point is, that TK becoming a sysop (again) does not make sense at all. All logical reasoning about it will fail. <font weight="normal" color="red">Etc 00:20, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Has anyone checked TK's recent range blocks - could be RW & Bugger've been blocked. Toast 00:26, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Could be! Why handle a problem is the open, when there is the TK way (secret channels) or the Aschlafly way (ignore it)? LArron 01:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I wouldn't worry about that. With the head lunatic still firmly in control of the asylum, I'm pretty sure CP will remain the bottomless pit of delusional idiocy we all know and loathe. --Gulik 03:59, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Quick Glance
Edits during the entire month of December (approximated, counted manually):


 * DuncanB has 58 edits.
 * ♥JessicaT♥ has 412 edits.
 * RJJenson has over 1,250 edits.
 * Jpatt has 338 edits.
 * AddisonDM has 353 edits.
 * TK has 558 edits.

Before anyone asks, DuncanB is Andy's student. Favoritism truly winzzz! <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  09:12, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Mister Plays Well With Others is back
🇰🇪 did it again, unilaterally declaring Evolution the Article of the Year. Just amazing the complete disregard he has for everyone else there, I'm sure he just sees them, Andy included, as useful annoyances. --Kels 00:56, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Bert ought to nominate his KAL007 (izzat right?) - it's totally researched & reasonably readable & not a quote mine - one of the better articles on the site if you allow for the conspiracy theory aspect. Toast 01:00, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * There are lots of random good articles on the site (hard to find amidst the dreck, but they are there). 🇰🇪 didn't write any of them. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:07, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Hmmm, evolution wins it for '09... teh gays for '10? FurryQuack 00:58, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Operation Batshit and Groundwerms is underway in regards to the evolutionary-position-on-another-very-silly-website. FurryQuack 01:03, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'm surprised that anybody here is surprised about this, actually. Ken's tooted the horn about 2009 being a Darwin-related year several times and noted that his anti-Evolution article would rip into the flanks of evolution on D-Day more times than I can remember. So him declaring that "Evolution" was "voted" the Article of the Year "by Conservapedia" was completely predictable. --Sid 06:29, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Article of the year decade Centufuckingry!
Yup. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:04, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Fuck!
Conservatives have telephones and instant messaging! Since when? FurryQuack 01:15, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Rotary at best.........touch tone is satan's work. tmtoulouse 01:17, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ken has homosexuality on speed dial. FurryQuack 01:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * You didn't happen to get a screencap, did you? --Kels 01:19, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * If it's gone that fast, who cares? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:22, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Nothing worth saving. Just made a vague allusion that the decision was made off-wiki using the telephone, or more likely instant message since no one calls Ken. tmtoulouse 01:23, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh, he was lying then. I figured as much, but thought maybe there was more crazy in there beyond that.  We all know full well that this was a total surprise to everyone involved, but they're under orders not to discuss such things after the fact, as we saw last time. --Kels 01:25, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * It is like watching my rats learning to push a lever. It only took Ken 4 months to figure out that capturebot would grab all his BS if he didn't delete it quick. Well I guess my rats are smarter. tmtoulouse 01:27, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Hey, there's a whole new picture of Hitler on the front page. I guess Ken must have gotten bored with Hitler ranting at crowd, so now we have Hitler looking stern with well groomed Hitler youth (who were probably TEH GHEY with him later.) One picture of Hitler is usually enough for most people, Kendoll seems to have some sort of weird Nazi fetish. --JeevesMkII 02:05, 1 January 2009 (EST)

A saner CP in 2009?
Without Bugler & RatWeathers - who clearly should've gone all MexMax earlier, hint to all continuing parodists - it seems possible. What a bust!- 02:13, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * No, all the quality 2008 lulz were products of exactly three people: Andy, Kendoll and Smilin' Uncle Ed. People like Karajou and his parodist spawn are just background noise drowned by this axis of ignorance. Admittedly, it won't be quite the same with only one last vestige of sanity left. Hopefully, PJR has some quality fighting left in him before he gets pissed off with Andy calling him a liberal once too often. Plus, there's high hopes for TK betrayal lulz in 2009. --JeevesMkII 02:30, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * As always, TK's the card I don't get. If he was really out for parodist blood, it makes little sense to cut RW & Bugler but not TK, unless Andy (1) totally trusts TK and (2) TK tells Andy to kill Bugler and RW. #1 I believe. #2 makes no sense given TK's, as far as I can tell, continuing desire to destroy CP. So, puh?- 02:35, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * You can be sure TK had his fingers in this, though his reasoning is totally incomprehensible. Since he's out to destroy CP (and then, the world!), he should want RW and Bugler to be sysops more than anything else.  What doesn't make sense is why Andy would nuke the two of them, since he has never disagreed with them or undone their absurdity, but has praised them and given them increasing rights. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 03:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Not necessarily incomprehensible. If TK needed to win back Andy's trust then exposing Bugler and RW would be the perfect way to do it and greatly increase his chance of regaining his sysop position. I guess from his perspective it would be the lesser of two evils. Knowing TK it could also be some ridiculous power grab, not wanting to compete with the two parodists for the position of main power broker and influencer of Andy (Bugler would have been my top contender for this). As for why Andy hasn't blocked the two parodists already, perhaps he still doesn't trust TK entirely, and is giving them a chance to explain themselves after removing their ability to do damage. After all, Andy hates admitting when he's wrong, especially in public, and would want to avoid a high profile incident of false accusations at all costs. Then again, maybe we're wrong and he's creating a new class of sub-sysop or something, it's the sort of clueless thing he'd do.
 * As for whether CP will be saner, probably not. Even though there are some more reasonable sysops we now have Jpatt and TK, who will bully any dissidents into submission. Then you've got the usual trio, Andy/Conservative/Ed, along with Dean, Karajou etc, who managed to make themselves a laughing stock even before Bugler and RW came along. Maybe if there was a complete overhaul of the power structure with greater accountability and a more balanced mix of users then I'd believe CP would have a chance of recovery, but as there isn't then let the lulz continue gentlemen. Happy new year. RyanC 05:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)

On the other hand, we know they all watch the watchers; could it be that Andy is actually fucking with us? "Ha ha, let's see those Rational mouthbreathers figure out this move!"?

BTW, has anybody figured out why Andy switched from Aschlafly to aschlafly a month or more ago? I've been wondering whether somebody has secretly replaced our Andrew Schlafly with Folger's crystals and left the lowercase "a" as a clue... but I don't see how that would be possible, given that Andy definitely exists and is known to other CPers in meatspace. --Marty 05:09, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Or, in the words of Lenin, "Let the fuckers work that one out." -- 09:50, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I agree with most of the above posts. The promotions did bring some sanity into the sysop ranks, but keep in mind that we also had sysops like Tim, PJR, DanH and whoever the girl was who opposed Andy on different tests for boys and girls. In the end, the lunatics will set the tone, and I see Andy, Ed, Dean, Ken and now TK and Jpatt. Bugler and Rod would've just been TK Clones, so their absence sort of pales in comparison of TK actually having full sysop authority again. And who says those two are gone, anyway? They're apparently not banhammered, so they might get their block rights back soon enough. And even without that, they'll just mail TK and pretend they're still better than the rest. 2009 will be crazier than 2008, just like 2008 was crazier than 2007. --Sid 06:25, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Andy may be really psychotic. Perhaps his voices told him to demote Bugler and Ed Poor. Deer 08:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * You mean RodWeathers, not Ed Poor, I'm assuming. :P Since Bugler and Rod haven't been blocked (IP range blocks since demotion have only been to TimS and JimJeweler) it's possible Andy may have just forgot to do something, unless he was being completely deceitful in "Getting ready for 2009" when demoting them. Also, this leaves users to complain about how he just quietly removes their power as an admittance of doing nothing during their streams of abuse. He hasn't reversed any blocks they made, nor any edits. The only way he can get away with it is TK and others oppressing everyone who asks about it. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  09:36, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * We can't figure out what's happening. Half of what goes on happens in secret forums and through emails.  I would guess there's a compromise.  Some sincere conservative Christians persuaded Aschlafly to promote sensible users and demote a few others.  TK has enormous influence as well. 87.114.8.26 13:57, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Andy and reading comprehension
Regarding the WIGO on that vile moron's attempts to politicise Columbine for the purposes of slurring Wikipedia: is Assfly really THAT stupid? Really? Did he ACTUALLY read this? If he did, that's some pathology he's got going. Because I can't imagine why he would provide that link unless he thought it was somehow helpful to his case. Does he just...see words on a page, and mix them in his brain until they agree with his beliefs? -- 07:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Remember this? -- Nx 09:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Sadly, yes...but for some reason it still shocks me that someone can be that stupid. And I used to be a regular reader of FSTDT, so I should really know better... -- 09:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)

The WP article, for being so short, is pretty clear on the whole thing, and even leaves the doubts at the bottom where Andy isn't likely to read to anyhow. He's probably pissed because they don't actually use the term "Christian martyr" in the first sentence, preferably in bold caps. --Kels 12:35, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Who is Bugler?
link -- Nx 10:03, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Me. I'm Bugler. Check the next line of the Hamlet quote on my user page. Fretfulporpentine 10:08, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I was expecting a coming-out. Instead, all we get is some poetry -- Nx 10:13, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * The ghost of Hamlet's father, inciting his son to avenge his death. Interesting choice. . . . <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 10:20, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Here it comes... -- Nx 10:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Damn you for getting my hopes up! ;) Still, the previous line in Hamlet is "But that I am forbid/To tell the secrets of my prison-house..." (Act 1, Scene 5). -- 10:21, 1 January 2009 (EST)

THE MASK LIFTS!!!! -- 10:22, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's actually rather sad. Going out not with a bang but a whimper.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 10:24, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I can't hear you -- Nx 10:26, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Maybe he's not a parodist!? 84.71.137.98 10:27, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Will the real RodWeathers now stand up?  Lily Ta, wack! 10:29, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * P.S. I see BrianCo has slammed the stable door.  Lily Ta, wack!
 * Bloody hell, user page just got burned. Tell me someone got a screenshot...? -- 10:30, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, give me a sec -- Nx 10:31, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I did it with Printscreen if it's needed84.71.137.98 10:32, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Uploaded Buglerfarewell.png -- Nx 10:34, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Heh, just realised I had the page open in another tab pre-burning. Have also taken photos for posterity. -- 10:35, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Good work lads.  Lily Ta, wack! 10:36, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Someone who knows more about wigo add the img tag please -- Nx 10:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)

(unindent)Was about to, but then I remembered something about adding it manually screws things up. Or am I remembering wrong? -- 10:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * That's why I asked someone experienced. Think you have to name it wigo and then add img = on -- Nx 10:43, 1 January 2009 (EST)

''It's actually rather sad. Going out not with a bang but a whimper.'' well, yes. Sorry chaps. But I couldn't face the lengthy process of re-establishing And's trust, and it was all becoming rather time-consuming. I'd have liked to have made it to admin, though. Unfortunately it was insisting that my real name was Brian Ugler that did for me. Fretfulporpentine 10:46, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Where'd you do that?  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  10:49, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * On email, to Andy, after he'd offered me a sysopship. I thought that to deny it might cause trouble.. Fretfulporpentine 10:51, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Not that I doubt you (the name thing is way too good to be a coincidence), but would it be too much to ask for some proof? (and did you mean "insisting that my real name was Brian Ugler that did it for me" ?)-- 10:55, 1 January 2009 (EST)

From: aschlafly@aol.com Sent: 01 January 2009 15:00:01 To: bugler61@hotmail.co.uk

Brian,

I supported your nomination subject to some basic checking of identity and location, as I indicated. I was not convinced by your answer.

My guess is that you started out as a clever parodist on the site, and may or may not have had a change of heart since then. Going from "Bugler", a common name, to "Brian Ugler" (a name that virtually does not exist) was interesting. I wasn't convinced by it.

I'm fine with your continuing to contribute and maybe something will change my mind or yours. If your name isn't "Ugler", it would be a great way to start 2009 by being straightforward.

Regardless, happy New Year's.

Andy

-Original Message- From: Brian Ugler <bugler61@hotmail.co.uk> To: aschlafly@aol.com Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 9:34 am Subject: RE: Conservapedia: nominated for Sysop (Admin)

Dear Andy While I'm naturally disappointed not to have been included in the six new sysops, I quite accept that it's your decision and I respect that. However, to help me to contribute to the greater benefit of Conservapedia in the future, could I asked why you changed your decision, and how I could be more effective? With best wishes Brian

To: bugler61@hotmail.co.uk Subject: Conservapedia: nominated for Sysop (Admin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:36:31 -0500 From: aschlafly@aol.com

Brian Ugler,

You've been nominated for Sysop (Admin) special status on Conservapedia, which I whole-heartedly support. The promotions will be on New Year's Day.

Our procedure is to acquire the real name and location of anyone before promoting them to Sysop status, for accountability purposes. If that's a problem at this time, then you could decline the promotion at this time and be reconsidered in the future. This information is not made public on the site, and would be kept private by me unless there is an unexpected conflict.

Thanks for your superb insights.

Andy Schlafly Conservapedia

IMO: simply pathetic. LArron 10:47, 1 January 2009 (EST)

So will Andy or any sysops look through Bugler's blocks and undo any? Nope. That's the legacy of Bugler. It's not some huge explosion of lulz, but a carefully grown and long-thought process of isolating CP from good editors. IMO, he's done a great job at providing us with awesome WIGO entries and has done a great good deal of damage to CP. <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  11:08, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * UGH! I just wish you'd said "Oh, rename me to Bill Smith" or something!- 11:14, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * (EC) Agreed, re: Norseman. Andy is a horror, and he deserves every bit he gets. Still...a lot of people got knocked around by the Bugler persona when they really didn't deserve it. But...well, it's the Internet. And as we all know, teh internetz r srs bizniz. I'm sure there could be a fair, non-Stalinist encyclopedia from a conservative/Christian POV. But Conservapedia will never be it, and Bugler proved that quite expertly. My hat is tipped to you, sir. -- 11:19, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * True, but (my opinion) it's better to be kicked out sooner than later. If some of those editors, like that Obama cheerleader girl (Emily or something?) had kept contributing and THEN came across trouble, she'd be even more displeased than being booted early. Maybe someone should remind Ed on Wikipedia about his support of Bugler being a bureaucrat, his refusal of believing that they block ideologically (Bugler being ousted finally, proves they do). Might get some minor lulz. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  11:24, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * True. Sometimes better to get the quick bannination than the slow and painful one (cf. Tim). -- 11:30, 1 January 2009 (EST)

handy edit button #1
Okay, so: out of Richard, Samwell, MexMax, and Bugler, (1) which was the most damaging "seekrit parodist" reveal, and (2) which was the most damaging parodist career? Bugler clearly wins cat. 2 I think.- 11:34, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'd actually go with Richard, (if, by "damaging" you mean made teh assfly too paranoid to grant admin pwoerz quick like), otherwise it'd be Sgt Bugler since he made the atmosphere there so very toxic.CЯacke ® 11:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Sounds like you're angling for an Ken-like award. Et tu Caius?  Lily Ta, wack! 11:48, 1 January 2009 (EST)

The paranoia is what amuses me here. Why do they "acquire real names and addresses"? How do they prove them, and what can that accomplish? Bugler could have given him perfectly real personal info, and would have remained the parodist he was. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 11:47, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * As a parodist, Bugler was peerless. As a cunt too, unfortunately also peerless. Ruined the fun of being a parodist for many others, myself included by making it impossible to survive long if you put your head above the parapet. Takes one to know one, I guess. Bondurant 11:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I kind of agree with the above comment. No grief or anything it's all fair game in my book. But I do think that from Andy's point of view Bugler did far more good than harm. He managed to add to a bit of falling out amongst the Sysops once or twice but apart from that? He created hundreds of new articles (mostly fairly useless but then so is most of CP) and did sterling work beating off other parodists. I remember he fairly single handedly spoiled our fun with the footballers names thing? I'm sure there were others too. So no, I'm afraid I think it is Andy who has won on this one. I think we have to hand it to him. He let Bugler run around banning vandals (which he did very effectively) then Andy banned him before he did any real harm. We can't win if we don't recognise a defeat. And I see this as a real defeat for the parodists. Just my opinion. StarFish 12:03, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I can understand your displeasure. But it struck me that the footballers were 'quick laughs' that would speedily be spotted by a Fox or Fox-a-like; and zapping them provided me with an opportunity to gain kudos. I started as an opvert prankster: my edits on 'wfe' were just about my earliest, and got me into hot water with Ed. But when Andy complimented me on something or other, and said I had promise, I though to myself, "Well! This might run..." and set out to be as arselicking/obnoxious as possible to see what the outcome would be. It was, to be honest, also amusing to watch the debate (for a while) in RW as to whether I was a sock or a wazzock (<rears back from the shouts of "Both!">) Fretfulporpentine 18:32, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * As the person who was all those footballers (I'm an Arsenal fan, so I started with Cesc, now consigned to the bench for the season, I fear), I commend you Sir, on a fine career run.  I have since then been banned many, many times by you, and it was always fun.   Well done, you gave me a lot of laughs in 2009.   That you had to be a cunt in doing so, well, that's all part of the game.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:38, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * TK's liable to suffer the same fate.  Andy will be nice  to him till TK's got rid of Andy's enemies then it could be TK rip. Deer 12:19, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh, not in the slightest. Do you have any idea how many real contributors he beat away from the site, and thus how much potential content he destroyed, not to mention being motive force #1 in getting Tim to leave. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 12:05, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Amen. It wasn't even Bugler directly, but rather the fact that someone with his attitude and history of open abuse would still be protected (and even praised!) by the sysops. That told me more about CP than anything else. --AlanS 12:12, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Bugler isolated the moderates and cheered on the most irrational. He has further marginalised this crack-pot pot meaning that even fewer people take it seriously. Matt oblong 12:23, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * What would amuse me, but probably never happen, is for every remaining parodist to pull up stakes, put up a real-sounding resignation as if they were real, and walk away en masse, leaving Andy with a virtual ghost town, populated by a half-dozen crazies and a couple of homskollars. --Kels 12:25, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Silly Billy, a fake address and 10 quid plonked down on a disposable SIM card and you could totally have been Brian Ugler. All you needed to do is tell him you lived in the wilds of Scotland somewhere, and you would have been totally unverifiable. Still can't believe he actually offered you sysopdom before finally catching on. --JeevesMkII 12:26, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Re: getting rid of teh assfly's enemies. Meh. Not really a hard thing to do. Bugler just imitated the other sysops when it came to his powers; he didn't do it any better or efficiently than anyone else (I consider Ed Poor to be far more vicious than the Bugler persona). He was simply the essence of Conservapedia. There will be no shortage of idealogical bans in the future, and assfly certainly isn't afraid to block people he disagrees with. And blocking wandals is a pretty easy task. As for TK...if Bugler was Moff Tarkin, TK is Darth Vader. -- 12:27, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * SHOCKERS: AlexanderM announces he's a parodist too... but Andy doesn't get it, and doesn't block him.- 12:30, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * ROFL, "permanent ban recommended by an other user". I'll ignore the grammatical mistake by that idiot, but instead laugh at the "someone told me to ban him". [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  12:43, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Already got a sock of Bugler! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  15:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * And another Matt oblong 16:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Well, I was Bojenmi (named after the Chinese tea tin in which I keep pens, pencils, scissors etc). I don't know who TimSS is. Fretfulporpentine 17:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Karajou thought it was me but he was wrong.- 17:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)

I note account creation is blocked and it's only tea-time. Fretfulporpentine 18:00, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Cracked as a CP list
It's like achievements of teenagers, but better! Coarb 12:24, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Very nice indeed, and "real", so far better than CP! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:43, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Obama Nationality Poll
"It appears as if more and more Americans doubt whether Obama is a natural born citizen and therefore legally entitled to be President of the United States. The numbers of Americans who are concerned about this issue may be extremely large. The liberal "mainstream" media continues to be negligent in doing their duty when it comes to informing the public and about this issue. [10] It is no surprise that the very liberal New York Times has lost 60 percent of its stock value in 2008 as consumers keep finding alternative news content and companies find better places to advertise and sell their products."

- CP Main Page

Really? Using an unscientific poll to justify a claim is bad enough, but trying to tie questions over Obama's nationality to newspaper decline? (I mean I realize that Mr. Schlafly doesn't believe in science - but this is going a little far.)

First of all, almost all newspapers are going down - even conservative ones; it's not hard to see why: an Alexa search shows a general trend of increased traffic to the New York Times website (see right). The New York Times offers a large amount of its articles (if not almost all of them) for free online. As Americans become more and more familiar with the web and computer-technologies, traffic increases, and why would anyone buy the paper copy when they can get everything online for free? Thus, the entire notion of saying that stocks/subscriptions are going down therefore the newspaper is being rebuked is ridiculous. What would be more accurate is a comparison. I offer this source, which, although unreliable, is the only 2008 info I could find, and seems reasonable given the confirmed (by reliable sources) the 2007 stats. According to both sources -the Times is still the third-largest newspaper. Nonetheless, at first glance Conservapedia seems to be correct. The Times has lost ground and the conservative Wall Street Journal has not lost ground, but if you notice the New York Post, an indisputably conservative paper (owned, as the Wall Street Journal is, by Rupert Murdoch), has lost more ground than the Times. Therefore, again, any claim that implies that certain newspapers are declining because of their liberal perspective is simply inaccurate.

As to the poll itself: obviously it's hard to refute this, as most legit, scientific polls aren't even bothering with the issue, so my argument will be a little theoretical. If people think that there is merit to the controversy, then they are obviously saying that they are starting to think Obama is not fit to be president. From the source that Conservapedia cites: "An unscientific poll by America Online suggests more and more people are having second thoughts about Barack Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office." So, in other words, if the poll is to be believed, people are obviously a little skeptical about Obama, or, in other words, they aren't very confident. I would merely point to a Gallup poll to refute this. 69% of the poll's respondents say they are confident in Obama, only 22% say they are not confident. But let's be a little more direct. If the source is to be believe, then this should be reflected in Obama's favorability stats. A Real Clear Politics page (which compiles other polls) averaged polls on Obama's favorability. The total range of the polls was from 10/31 to 11/02. These polls showed that, by a 17% margin, American view Obama favorably.  However, a Gallup poll (note: Gallup polls are daily) shows that now Americans view Obama favorably by a 56% margin. Now obviously the big reason for the increase is that the tenseness of the election is gone, but surely if 53% of Americans thought that there was credit to the idea that Obama isn't a citizen, the margin would not be as wide as it is. Thus, it seems that "more and more people are having second thoughts about" not supporting Obama.

Again, I realize that my second argument isn't entirely sound since I can not refute the poll directly, but citing the poll itself to draw conclusions (and failing to mention that the poll is unscientific) is, in my opinion, even more questionable.--Iduan 12:46, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Well, the other very obvious problem with a poll like the one Andy's citing is that the vast majority of people who are going to be motivated to respond to it are the ones who agree with the premise that Obama's not a citizen. Most others likely aren't even going to notice that the poll exists, because they're not obsessively canvassing the Internet looking for new tidbits on this "breaking story."  --Phentari 12:54, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Excellent point - I actually tried to phrase that the web results would be biased, but I'm glad I did not because you have done so better than I could have. (I'm pretty sure there's something grammatically wrong with that statement ... but I'm too lazy to rephrase)--Iduan 12:59, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Just for fun
Let's pull this out at the end of February, and see what's changed, hmm? Right now, his little pile o' crap is 21 on Google for me, and has 474,290 views according to his tally (given the thing's been around for quite a while, and been the subject of blogbursts and intense spamming, that's surprisingly low). That's a lot of folks laughing at the clown, let's see where he is February 28. --Kels 13:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * But, what if he's scheduled it to the 29th? Toast 13:50, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * That's his tough luck, innit? --Kels 13:54, 1 January 2009 (EST)

My goodness, Ken. Surely you don't think we're, do you? --Kels 14:57, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Nicely caught, Kels. Toast 15:07, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Battle of wits with an unarmed man, seriously. --Kels 15:14, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Just face it, Ken, her dragon staff of caption powah is beyond your imagining. :P [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  18:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)

New Sysops
It's rather curious to see where Andy managed to scrape together a mere six sysops.

The sensible:
 * 1. Jpatt: Seemingly perfect sysop material. Thousands of edits to political articles, the requisite amount of anti-atheist absurdity.  The new Tim.

The pathetic:
 * 2. AddisonDM: The guy has staggeringly few "substantial contributions," and is notable only as an American History Student/Lackey.
 * 3. DuncanB: Homeschooled New Jersey kid, who adds articles about Star Wars, military equipment, and video games. Is he one of Andy's little brainwashees?"

The unfortunate:
 * 4. JessicaT: The sympathetic person we all know and love, and who also has remarkably few contributions, especially in December, but is noteworthy for niche cultural articles.
 * 5. RJJenson: A professional, he should be a sysop at any site he contributes to. Why on earth is this man at CP? Anyone?

The insane:
 * 6. TK: The utter insanity of restoring him to power is known to all.

To fill SIX spots, Andy had to reenlist a man dedicated to destroying the site and two individuals who really add nothing to it but are unimpeachable peons. Bets on how long Kotomi lasts, anyone? - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 13:48, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * He'd originally intended to promote Bug (& RW?) & couldn't back down when he was outed so he picked random editors. Toast 13:57, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I made a list of their total edits in December, hopefully someone with some awesum wiki software can tell how many were talk page edits, weak insignificant contribs, or userpage stuff. I can see RJJenson being a sysop, but he's not got an abusive backbone to show yet. DuncanB and AddisonDM seem to be Andy's support team of unquestionable loyalty, since their edits are very sparse. Meritocracy my ass. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  14:12, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * RJJ doesn't really seem to care that much about CP except as a place to host his stuff ported from Citizendium. A bit like Ken, except without the Stark Raving Loony and lack of social skills. --Kels 14:14, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * RJJ strikes me as a JM with a brain. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 14:17, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Kinda. -- 14:24, 1 January 2009 (EST)

<-unindent

I followed an approach of [User:Jtl|Jtl] and sorted edits in three categories:


 * 1) the destination has no colon (:) in it
 * 2) the destination includes a colon (:) (e.g., User:Bugler, Debate:Is gun-control the answer to crimes involving guns?‎)
 * 3) the destination includes the phrase talk: or Talk: (e.g., Talk:Barack Obama)

Obviously, the third class is a sub-class of the second one - and it's a little bit blunt, but it serves my purposes... Furthermore, the data I use is half a month old, and I took the whole history, not only the last 30 days. Maybe, I'll update it in a couple of days (have a look here (done) and here (to do))

LArron 16:10, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * 10,201? What a sad little fucker  Matt  16:35, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Wait, I have three times that many edits on RW... what are you saying about me? dang :( <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:45, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Well, you are an Uebermensch :-) LArron 15:04, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Obama & McCain
There are questions about both. Naturally Conservapedia ignores McCain's problems. Proxima Centauri 14:36, 1 January 2009 (EST) It looks like Obama will be president and Andy will be bitter. Proxima Centauri 14:43, 1 January 2009 (EST) Why does this article linked to the Conservapedia Main Page make such a fuss about an Unscientific Poll? Presumably scientific polls give results Aschlafly doesn't like. Proxima Centauri 15:07, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Tall?
How tall is Andy? Anyone know could explain a lot if he's a shortarse. (no offence to vertically challenged persons intended) Toast 15:25, 1 January 2009 (EST) may give a clue. He's probably around the 6' mark, perhaps slightly shorter. He's likely smaller than Obama, so that inferiority is just a minor factor. :P <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:48, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * In this case, it's not the inches that matter, it's the prominence. Obama is seventy-twelve feet tall.  Andrew is two inches short of a dry martini. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Cowardjou
Watching Karajou block an entire TOR node (note the user page of one poor deleted guy) because he thinks he smells an Ames makes me wonder: how is it that everyone's favorite Navy dropout hasn't unloaded on TK yet? Remember how much Karajou hated TK after he opened the SDG?

Oh, by the way Karajou: wrong on ALL counts.- 16:35, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Ed Poor - out of touch as always
Interesting how Uncle Ed thinks is supposed to portray Hillary Clinton (unless it in fact is supposed to be Hillary Clinton, then the artist does not make it very clear). He uploaded it just especially for Sysop TK (^_^) MIP has actually signed in - 16:49, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Naw it is that Chris Crocker guy. tmtoulouse 16:54, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ed's always had a little hard-on for TK: I don't get it.- 16:55, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * These mixed marriages never work. --Kels 16:58, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Isn't that rather old "news"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)

So, with Bugler having outed himself....
....Any chance they'll undo all the blocks he made just to scare people away?

....Anyone?

....nah, I didn't think so, either. Better that a hundred innocent should die than that one guilty man should go free, after all. (Any one here besides me who's enough of a gaming geek to think that Andy would fit in perfectly in Warhammer 40K's Imperium of Man?) --Gulik 17:13, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * If I still had blocking rights I'd strongly consider it. JazzMan 00:55, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * I've been saying that. Reversing Bugler's blocks is an act of apology and humility, an admittance of stupidity by the highest of powers (and all sysops who ignored the warnings signs). That'll never happen, which I think was Fret's ultimate goal - playing his hand so they can't fold. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  17:21, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Nah, they've got practical reasons to leave the blocks in place too. For example, if they unblock any of my socks and I notice, I'll be back right away. (I think Karajou is the life of the block party, but Bugler definitely got a couple of mine.) --Marty 18:21, 1 January 2009 (EST) piped from the Roosevelt ballroom


 * Do you thikn teh Assfly will apologize to PJR? <font color="#FF0000" face="Andy">JJ4e <font color="#FFBA00">I christen thee Sir Annoyz Alot 20:19, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * No chance. He never apologises, and he also never admits to having been wrong about anything. Bugler will become the new FBI, with any mention of this whole affair being quickly reverted and ignored. alt 20:27, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Someone's walking a fine line -- Nx  talk 20:33, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Most def. DickTurpis 20:30, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Ed Poor is still defending him. Unbelievable. -- Nx  talk 15:10, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Ken pokes some fun at Ames
Ames' blog now has an article. So Ken is saying Ames craves attention? That's the pot calling the refrigerator black. DickTurpis 18:23, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * LOL @ Dick. Yeah, and Ken - there are those of us that value honesty and saying something meaningful over getting noticed for it. But ah, nevermind: you wouldn't understand.- 18:26, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh, and thanks for highlighting the Sherry Levine article Ken, that's one of my favorites.- 18:27, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh, you have an article on Shelly "The Machine" Levine? Missed that one. I tell ya, give him two leads - two of the good leads goddammit - and he'll close them both! DickTurpis 18:34, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Close! Sherry the modern artist :)- 18:36, 1 January 2009 (EST)

I bet Ken will delete the article, but I got a screenshot I can upload when he does. DickTurpis 18:37, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Me too! I'm deciding whether to post the screenshot to the blog. It's kind of funny...- 18:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Hmmmm. Posting it to the blog? Sounds like the actions of a serial attention-seeker to me. DickTurpis 18:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I must admit I'm amused by his creative use of categories. -- 18:46, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Those redlink categories are hilarious, especially in that they all apply heavily to Ken himself. 18:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * He sounds pissed.  18:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Again, he fails at using the preview button -- Nx  talk 18:57, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ken missed the fact that "poking fun at" requires you actually be funny. --Kels 18:58, 1 January 2009 (EST)

I can't say this often enough Ken, take your meds. You're prescribed them for a reason. --Kels 19:37, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * You beat me to it. Man, he's really gone off the deep end. DickTurpis 19:45, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * UPDATE: Someone tries to stop the funny. TheoryOfPractice 20:31, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Deleted-- Nx  talk 20:37, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Looks like he got burned for putting a parody article in mainspace. Why that doesn't apply to Evolution, Homosexuality and Atheism, is beyond me. --Kels 20:43, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * 🇰🇪gets spanked a bit--how long until he memory-holes? TheoryOfPractice 20:50, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Reading that (ongoing) exchange, I keep being reminded of how incredibly bad a writer Ken is. It's almost painful. --Kels 23:08, 1 January 2009 (EST)

NormanS continues to walk his fine line with a post to Aschlafly's talk page. Me, I'm wondering if the "S" stands for Fcval. --Marty 20:57, 1 January 2009 (EST) Cthulhu htnaqn!
 * UPDATE: NormanS is makin' a list...TheoryOfPractice 22:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * KEN: it was funny but for the love of god I wasn't the one who created the article on the first place!!! I suspect a reader & fan of my many cp-related articles. Ask karajou to localize the user's IP if you don't believe me.- 21:28, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * "...there are better ways of promoting his blog than trying to list it at Conservapedia..." Man, is Mariano gonna be disappointed. --Kels 21:28, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Cripes. --Kels 22:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Also here. Toast 23:11, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Somebody's gotta save that list. Any idea where he's pulling it from? --Kels 23:14, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * At a guess I'd say he was bored at work and decided to scroll through Ken's deletion log... Maybe he even had a coworker sitting next to him laughing along, it's hard to say really RyanC 09:24, 2 January 2009 (EST)

(Undent)

Thought I should mention for the record that I am not NormanS. His Ken-detta (sorry) is pretty amusing, but I don't do socks and would hate to see this cut short because someone thinks it's a play on my name here. --SpinyNorman 10:35, 2 January 2009 (EST)

My Powerz?
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=599302 Hey Andy: I hazzed powerz, now i don't haz them anymore. Can I haz them back?]....I'm curious to see how this gets dealt with...TheoryOfPractice 21:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Overseer/Oversight may have been used. He has no user rights log of any sort, yet was able to block people and now has them disappear. Curiouser and curiouser... [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:37, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * He's got block but lost upload (!) Toast 22:56, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Speaking of awards
I don't know if anyone mentioned it last week, but the Duane Gish Award for Trusworthiness. It looks like RW might be on the outs with Andy, so I'm not sure whether it's quite kosher to bring up his Math Award right now... --Marty 21:27, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Waddaya mean, fixed? The typo's gone, but he still looks like part of the Flintstones.  Although Gish probably thinks that's a documentary, so it kinda fits. --Kels 21:30, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * My god, you must REALLY be searching for hidden meanings to construct that monstrosity. Pi is a p but sigma is an e? - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 21:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Well, you can make plus stand for "P" if you want, but I liked pi better. Anyway, didn't you ever learn the integral of e to the x? --Marty 21:47, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, pretty, but so ugly I had to switch out of "math mode" to read it. If the image name didn't tell me what to look for I never would have found it. Oh well, every effort deserves a good spanking. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:54, 2 January 2009 (EST)

It's only Ken, so not really worth a WiGO
But...gah! WTF is all that about? --Kels 23:35, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Gobsmacked me too - I've copied it to my user page. The sheer non sequitureishness of 9 tenths of it is mind boggling. Toast 23:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'll give him this, I'm agape too. --Kels 23:45, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Andy's threatening (very politely) to block if people don't shut up about Ken's crap. Toast 23:48, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Aw, that's cute. Ken imagines he has some supa-seekrit purpose behind his gentlemen rants, other than proving what an ignorant arse he is. It's like his whole life is spent masquerading as a gibbering simpleton, when in fact he's actually a Bond-style secret agent for the Conservative agenda. --JeevesMkII 23:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh, the Elijah stuff is over here, and I think it was still a bit non-sequiteur at the time. --Kels 23:59, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Humble Ed
Why does this seem weird to me? (I know it's not CP but where else) (should we start a What Is Going On @ WP with all those Nutters? (they've got their share)?) Toast 00:25, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ed's like that. He wavers between "Oh, please teach me" and "I AM THE GREAT WIKI MASTER" all the time, even on CP.  He's inconsistent and strange, and a long-time POV-pusher.  I suspect part of that "please teach me" business is part of his cover for POV pushing, because he keeps trying to claim innocent motives. --Kels 00:39, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Not to mention future attempts to be sysopperated. Toast 00:59, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * He's also working on a makeover of WP:scientific debate (currently a redirect), in his sandbox. Be afraid... Totnesmartin 05:10, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * There's one or two (Hrafn et al) going for his sub-pages though. Scientific debate (in main space) is just a redirect to Scientific consensus though if I remember right (?). There are people watching his every move (me for one). Toast 05:15, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Scientific debate was his attempt at getting "teach the controversy" in the back door, and Hrafn caught him. Instead of deleting it, Ed moved it back to his own userspace and then created a bunch of redlinks to the article he already knew didn't exist.  It's his usual POV pushing. --Kels 09:11, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Interesting stuff Kels, are you adding this to our Ed page for when he makes his next grab for power at WP? <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:56, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Not really, it seemed fairly minor and ordinary. Isn't the Ed page mainly for his activities at CP anyway?  Besides, if we put stuff together and it was used, it would just get tossed for collusion anyhow. --Kels 12:49, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Speaking of his stuff on WP, he's being called to task for having close to three hundred subpages in his user space, a lot of which are just POV forks and miscellaneous crap he could have just saved locally. this edit comment is priceless, considering the source. He's also getting a bit of a talking to on copyright and fair use. Poor, kindly Uncle Ed, nobody gives him a break. --Kels 16:36, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Love the sinner
On CP's Westboro Baptist Church article they claim that "While mainstream Christianity rejects homosexuality as sin, following God's example, they love the sinner ...". Just what CP & CP's God do? A clear case of "Do as I say; not as I do". Unless of course it's loving to damn people to an eternity of h Hell that is. Toast 00:36, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Wait, hang on. Are we talking about the same god here who is so holy he can't have sin anywhere near him, so all sinners have to proceed directly to hell, do not pass go, do not collect 200 manna? Presumably then god loves sinners in much the same way as you or I might love a mangy, flea ridden, possibly rabid stray dog... from a safe distance. Holy contradictions, Batman! --JeevesMkII 01:37, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Well, no that's not how it works according to Christianity. People who go to heaven aren't sinless, they are just forgiven. I really don't want to get into a flamewar about this though.
 * Nonetheless those at CP, like most hypocritical Christians, are totally incapable of realizing that they do hate the sinner. <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 03:39, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * I did say "CP's God" not teh forgiving one. Toast 04:02, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Jeeves et al.: Matthew 9:9-13. -- 07:39, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Don't think anyone's slagging off Jesus' God, AK, just CP's version of it. Toast 13:07, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * You could be right. It's so difficult to tell, these days. -- 13:54, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Andy teh webmaster
Andy apparently has 21 domains registered to him! (Piccy) Wonder what they all are They can't all be variants on Conservapedia.com/org/us/ etc, can they? Toast 01:41, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * 16, really. The domains beginning a are tld variants on andrewschlafly and andyschlafly, all unused. The short C domains are tld variants on conservapedia, while the long C names are tld variants on conservativeencyclopedia (catchy name!) --JeevesMkII 04:36, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * & the "R" one? Is it rationalwiki.xxx d'you reckon? Toast 04:44, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Strike that - I've noticed the age of it - it's probably brother Roger.Toast 04:46, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Jeeves, does he have any with his middle initial/name? and what extensions does he have as there are quite a few now and he can't have covered them all. <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:49, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Conservapedia's offline yet again
A high proportion of the times Conservapedia is offline we can see that Andy is under pressure over something or other. Other times there may be family pressure or pressure from emails, secret forums, people Andy knows offline. He is under pressure now because he knows that people he trusted are parodists and RationalWiki was right. Can he bring himself to unblock loyal Conservapedians who tried to warn him? They must feel like Cordelia in King Lear. Proxima Centauri 01:55, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Thought it was just me :) It might be only we Brits who're being ostracised though. Toast 02:00, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Isn't it also fair to say that a high proportion of the time Conservapedia is online we can see that Andy is under pressure over something or other? JazzMan 02:01, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's broken for me, too--mid-US here. --Gulik 02:03, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * True, Andy is under continual pressure. King Lear was also under continual pressure. Both tried to do more than they were capable of doing properly. Proxima Centauri 02:13, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Perhaps he is trying to clean the database of all thing buglerian? Removing the cause, just keeping the effects (i.e., blocks?) LArron 02:25, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Wouldn't it give a 404 in that case? Toast 02:49, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Though the above are of course possible, it's always good to remember wp:Hanlon's razor when dealing with CP, along with Bernard Ingham's version mentioned there... alt 05:12, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Or maybe you are just having response problem because the server is overloaded again. We aren't the only ones watching CP, the gawkers are probably gathering again. -  User   03:06, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's back up but there are still things not working. For instance I cannot get a list of the top 5000 articles, the best I got was 900. <font color=Blue>Генгис    07:18, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * My mistake; back up. EddyP 08:22, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * And none of the Special Pages are working.  09:36, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * And not working again. <font color=Blue>Генгис    12:41, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Broke it again.- 15:16, 2 January 2009 (EST)