Talk:Bahrain

Oh goddamnit
Stop it before someone locks this article due to Grammar Nazi edit warring!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 14:02, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The English wars will never stop!--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Scheiß die Wand an, was für ein Affentheater...--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 14:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)This is America! Let's speak American! scnr... In all honesty though, why should this here article be in British English? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't it? Which version does Bahrain usually use when they speak english? That seems a good marker for what the article should use.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:06, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * None, 'cause they don't. Unless you count "Taxi Mister, good price!" as actual English. The world does not revolve around the US and it does so much less around this tiny island shrouded in the mists of the Northern Atlantic. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:08, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Do note my use of "when they speak English". They don't just say every thing in Arabic with absolutely no English translations or usage whatsoever. We sshould defer to their preferred method of English usage. you also refused to answer "why shouldn't the article be in british english"--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Because American English is more logical, closer to the actual pronunciation and globally more important. Also, because most of our readers and most of our editors are accustomed to American English. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:15, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Debatable, debatable and not a real reason to decide American english > all other forms including the original users of the language. And thats irrelevant, otherwise I welcome you to push for that change on wikipedia, given Enwiki users are also american and yet they have myriads of policy about not being amero-centric in coverage or usage standard.--"Paravant''" Talk & Contribs 14:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

We're not Wikipedia. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't be an idiot, you know what I mean. also, what little policy we have on it disagrees with you, and is closer to my suggestion than your "AMERICAN ENGLISH BEST" attitude. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The article began in UK English, and changing that for no good reason is fucking rude. Just don't. CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * what a fucking waste of time and space all of that is. Avenger you are just a twat of the highest order. Started an edit war over a UK/US spelling and the article ends up locked.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 14:37, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There, there, only about twenty minutes of page protection remaining. As a non-twat RW admin, you have the power to edit the page, or even unlock it if you so desire. Toodle-pip, CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 14:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with American English? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Whats wrong with british english?--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:15, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

It is less rational. It is spoken mostly by people who pledge allegiance to some woman with a fancy hat. It is pseudo-French (French is not even a Germanic language). Need more reasons? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:02, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd like some real reasons.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 22:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Try watching your own speech: Do you say "sent ray" or do you say "sent urr"? So why would you think the spelling "centre" is in any way better than "center"? Same goes for "flavor" btw. or labor. And in the case of labor even etymology is on the side of American English. The old Romans spelled it labor just like the Americans. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's nice, but not how RW works. Either we use the English variant the people in question use (which you declined to find out and instead said "they never ever use English. Also some non-sequitur about english-centrism") or defer to the initial article creator. You not liking BE is not a good enough reason to change to American English and certainly won't stand if you say "fixing errors" while doing so.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 22:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * [ec] The tough guy coughed as he ploughed the dough. Yup, those are all English words. Who gives a flying fuck how the Romans spelt it? English is not a romance language n'est-ce pas? CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 22:17, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The people who made us spell it "debt" did care for the Romans spelling it "debit". Even though the English word in question is etymologically distinct from the Latin word... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Prithee, kind Sir, wouldst tell us about the Etymology of "Pinniped"? CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Accusing the other side of sealioning does not an argument make. Good night good sir or madam Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This is all a huge yawn but the original article spelling meets both criteria of the RW policy. Bahrain was a British protectorate until 1971 and British spelling is fairly widespread there. The vaguely offensive slur that Bahrainis don't speak English is also very wide of the of the mark. English is widely spoken and much business is conducted in English. Failing all that, just leave the spelling as originally written as per the policy. That is all very clear and there should be no debate here about general spelling conventions. For that, take it up on the policy talk page.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 03:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 12:20, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "They don't speak English" he said, ""Taxi Mister, good price!"" he said. Offensive twat. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 13:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Little trivial factoid about taxis in Bahrain. They are actually mostly driven by Bahrainis. Unusual for a Gulf nation where driving taxis is normally seen as job for immigrant labor labour. And yep, they speak English. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 14:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If my somewhat flippant way of pointing out that English native speakers are a negligible minority in Bahrain and that we cannot discern their use of one variant of English over the other and at any rate should feel bound by out offended some people or was misunderstood by others, I am deeply sorry and apologize. I see that I have lost this "war" and apparently - for no real reason but mob fiat(But hey, this wiki is basically "mob fiat - the wiki") - Bahrain is now firmly "British" at least in spelling. So be it. And that I lost my short lived sysop status over it is just icing on a bitter cake(not that I'm bitter). But if the mob so wants it, so be it. Personally I think Bahrain's connection to the US is stronger thaen its connection to Britain, but if y'all prefer British English... Well I'll leave it at that. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Stop.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:34, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I just did. In case you didn't notice. I admit defeat. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Or agree with the victorious side. You may have the mob on your side this time. But I may have it on my side at another time. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:46, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

"Neighborhood"?
Wut rubbish iz diz "neigh" bullshit? Cleerly sum arkayic remnunt frum sum unimportunt non-Inglish langwudg. And wut's wit diz "bor" thing? It's pruhnawnced "burr", ya polliwag. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 23:43, 16 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Can we at least agree how to spell "Muslim"
Muslim being a proper noun, it is known to my spellcheck only with a capital "M". Hence I don't understand why some seem to insist on spelling it "muslim". Kind regards. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 12:21, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 12:41, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I changed the two instances of "muslim" to "Muslim". I hope that won't be reverted... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:32, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Part of me wants to because you're still being a sore fucking loser about it--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:36, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Now what's the fucking profanity for? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, "Muslim" is not a proper noun. Except when it's used Stuff being written with a capital doesn't automatically make it a proper noun. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 20:30, 17 September 42015 AQD (UTC)
 * Wait, then why is "Jew" always capitalized? CorruptUser (talk) 02:43, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe that's what the International Jewish Conspiracy is all about Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 02:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Names of religions and ethnic groups are proper nouns. Hence "Jew" and "Muslim" and "Christian" and "Italian" (to pick some random examples) are all proper nouns. Blacke (talk) 02:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes to the first, no to the latter. Stuff derived from proper nouns keeps the capital letter in English (something that's not the case in many other languages), but that doesn't make that stuff actual proper nouns. Please look up what "proper noun" actually means. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 03:00, 18 September 42015 AQD (UTC)
 * "Muslim"/"Christian"/"Italian" are all both adjectives and nouns. In the case of "Jew", there is a split between noun and adjective ("Jew"/"Jewish"), the same exists for some other ethnic descriptors ("Swede"/"Swedish","Pole"/"Polish"). And being nouns, they are proper not common. They are nouns because we can inflect them for number: Jew/Jews, Christian/Christians, Italian/Italians. Jewish is not a noun because *Jewishs. Blacke (talk) 03:44, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how any of that is supposed to support the assertion these are proper nouns; all it does is tell me you still don't know what the term means. a helpful link. And maybe ask yourself how common it is for proper nouns to be inflected for number. How many Russias have you visited today? Ever seen a Netherland in real life? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 12:13, 18 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

So that's settled thaen, isn't it? Any actual debate as to the content of the article itself? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Actual issues concerning the actual content of the article aside from spelling
Are there any? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:05, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you read the content of this talk page, no issues have been raised other than spelling and grammar. I wrote this article (somewhat in haste) as someone who is vaguely invested in Bahrain having worked there for a few months thereby making Bahraini friends, and visited a lot. When doing so I had only two subjects in mind - the so called Brothel of the Gulf and obviously, the 2011 uprising and its aftermath. There may well be improvements to that content and other subjects that could be introduced. I hope so. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There is the minor squabble (now mostly resolved) of how to address that while Iranian involvement in 2011 is probably an excuse of the regime for the crackdown, there are reasons for the naive observer to assume it happened. But the way it now stands, we can at least guess why this excuse was so convenient. Though maybe a sentence about Iranian "revolution export" being in fact a thing might do well if it can be integrated into a flowing text. I don't feel able to, right now. I am too exhausted... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:22, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * One thing that could be rectified is the following: "Citizens from the Shi'a Muslim majority demonstrated with the aim of achieving greater political freedom and equality..." This implies that the demonstrators were exclusively Shia, even though many reports and eyewitness testimony (including actual participants) confirm that many Sunnis have protested, as well. State media and pundits often made the claim that only pro-Iran Shi'ites went to "riot" or "vandalize" or "use terrorism against the police." The cited BBC web page even says ""Young Sunni and Shia are marching together and they are shouting 'neither Sunni nor Shia but Bahraini'. We have not seen this before,'" she says."" Thus I was thinking of changing that bit to "Bahraini citizens," or merely, "citizens." This is crucial because it's been an erroneous government talking point that only Shi'ites went out in protest to fulfill an Iranian agenda and to supposedly drive to increase the wedge between them and their fellow Sunni citizens.--Nay1989 (talk) 03:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and do it. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 03:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC)