Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive86

Is it just me
Or is Andy really being a total shit tonight? --Kels 23:24, 1 November 2008 (EDT)


 * Par for the course, really. This happens when he runs out of gerbils. DickTurpis 23:42, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
 * "Do you believe in chivalry" has become the new "do you believe in classroom prayer." Interesting.PFoster 23:55, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
 * I kinda checked in, and yes, WIGO CP is far better if you only read it every couple of days. I missed the hell out of RW and my friends here, but CP is better tasted in small doses at reasonable intervals.  I caught this via AmesG's grabbing it for his sub page.  Andrew is truly a misguided, moronic, authoritarian prick to the nth degree.  Good for you, Bethany, if you read this.  Test all students the same way and let the chips fall where they may!  (PS, I note that above, RW people fell back into the trap of assuming the girls would get an "easier" test.  In reality, Andrew the S. does not want to see a level playing field on an intellectual topic like history, since you girls will probably pwn the world series/football obsessed boys.  or I might be wrong?)  Triple PS, you have minor trouble with grammar and spelling, you're still clear, but we would be more than happy to copyedit your comments for you in private, if it pleases you.)  ħ uman  00:37, 2 November 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, this garbage he is spewing really needs to be carefully added by our faithful contributors to Andrew Schlafly, no jokes, really, ma'am, just the facts, really we're not kidding!  ħ uman  00:43, 2 November 2008 (EDT)
 * Going by his words and actions, "chivalry" in Andy-speak is defined as "an excuse for good, old-fashioned sexism". But I suppose that's par for the course for him.  As if I needed another reason to despise this privileged man-child. --Kels 00:47, 2 November 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, good header - is it just me, or is CP 3/4 borken again?  ħ uman  00:50, 2 November 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not just you--I was having trouble loading it today, too. And yeah, I think Andypants'  "Chivalry" is just good old-fashioned patronizing sexism. And I do suspect he'll give the girls dumber questions, since it is a scientific fact that too much education in women can lead to insanity, hair loss, and infertility. So he's just trying to protect their sacred, God-ordained role as baby-factories. Fnord. :-P --Gulik 01:24, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ironically, as I keep sexistly pointing out, the odds are that the girls will pwn the boys on the history test unless Andfly figures out a way to protect the boys. SRSLY.  ħ uman  01:29, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I have always thought that he would test the girls harder. but at the same time, i suspect in his own mind, he will see thir test as "easier" since it objectively has less questions.  He lives in such a constructed reality he is unable to see anything but his preconceived conclusions.  anything else is simply 'you don't believe in chivalry, do you"-- 16:55, 2 November 2008 (EST)

It's encouraging that Andy is basing his differential treatment of boys and girls on sound Biblical principles, but I've seen no evidence that he is doing enough to ensure that the descendants of Canaan are treated differently from the descendants of Shem and Japheth, as directed by Genesis 9:24-27. I'm inclined to trust Andy to determine the appropriate pedogological approaches to the issue of Mizraim, Cush, and Put (pun intended), as that's not my area of expertise. It would obviously be better if a Canaanite-only classrom could be established so as to prevent inappropriate competition, but logistical concerns may not allow for such an optimal setup.--Martin Arrowsmith 09:37, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Not only has Andy shown he doesn't understand golf, he also has zero faith in his students abilities to do simple math. Somehow comparisons will be impossible because one group will be marked on the number wrong while another will be marked on the number correct. So if someone misses 3 our of 28, trying to figure out how many they got correct, well, that would be almost impossible! A fool's errand to try to ever calculate that! How could anyone hope to figure that out? Or to compare ratio of 25/28 to 29/33. Who could ever do such advanced math? Sure, just because he assumes his students can understand Brun's constant, Goedel's incompleteness theorems, and the Axiom of choice, as well as their abilities to prove there are infinite primes, doesn't mean they can be expected to convert ratios into percentages for comparison!
 * It's also clear the girls test will be easier. It will have fewer questions to be answered in the same amount of time. I suppose he could ask them more difficult questions, but Andy seems to have no real knowledge of what a difficult question is. Besides, when calculating final grades, doesn't he have to convert these incomparable scores into something he can use to for this calculation? Or does he grade girls on a scale of different colored unicorns and boys on a scale of caliber of large defensive weapons of gun? ("I got a sky-blue unicorn for my final grade!" ..."Well I got a .357 magnum!" Hmm, I wonder who did better?") DickTurpis 09:53, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Chivalry is certainly his word of the week. He does have this wierd tendancy for bringing up the same term repeatedly before switching to something else. Or maybe it's just WIGO:CP focusing on the same thing, but either way, it's creepy.  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:18, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm not terribly sure he even understands what chivalry means-- It's not an excuse to treat women like second class citizens. Strange, isn't it, that the only thing he ever says about chivalry is in relation to women remembering their place? Nothing about honour or any other part of chivalry... mebbe because he has no honour. Barikada 13:32, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Good point, he probably doesn't know what it means. As any source other than Conservapedia is far too liberal to pay attention to, he doesn't have any way to find out what it means to the rest of the world so it's stuck as Andy's definition. I.e., wifebeating .  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 13:38, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think he's got one of those Word-A-Day calendars, and "Chivalry" came up last week. --Gulik 15:37, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I liked when he said that men and women don't compete in the adult world. Then he twisted his knickers a bit and reversed to that teenage years were not a good time to engage in competition between the differently-knobbed.  Then he got some on himself.  Some Ken, I think.  Hard to scrape off, that Ken is.  ħ uman  18:42, 2 November 2008 (EST)

What is your favorite edit ever made on CP?
Sharing time! What's your favorite edit/revision ever made Conservapedia? 05:21, 2 November 2008 (EST)

I ask because, after about a year of this, I have just found my own favorite. 05:21, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I've always liked Fox's liberal spree especially this addition.  Lily Ta, wack! 05:30, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I like this quite a bit.
 * The "let's not make up dates" edit referring to Scotland being inhabited for "many thousands of years" instead of "since 8400 BC". It's fairly old but definitely my favourite by a long shot.  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:13, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Replacing the list of things that invalidate evolution with the lyrics to "My Favourite Things." Hands down, the smartest and funniest vandalism ever. Whoever that was, you nearly made me wet my pants. Thank you. PFoster 11:20, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * That was excellent, wasn't it? --Too tired to log in 11:42, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * My favorite is TerryH's creation of Metapedia. It's absolute proof that Andy doesn't care what goes on, not even if racists are pushing racism on his blog. The edit even states CP will block anyone who makes racist statements, but then goes on to say people are encouraged to visit Metapedia anyway. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]Norseman  Cyser Melomel  11:28, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * My favorite is when Hsmom edited Harvard University to remove On October 18, a outbreak of scabies struck in a Harvard dormitory; it attracted little media attention and the causes were not investigated. (Edit comment: Last year's outbreak of scabies, while fascinating, is hardly encyclopedic.)  Andy reverted, saying The scabies outbreak is relevant. Scabies is a sexually transmitted disease, one of many that liberals downplay or try to ignore.  Hsmom offered proof on the talk page that 1) scabies is not considered an STD, and 2) Harvard had investigated further and determined that it might not have been scabies in the first place.  Andy never replied, and the sentence is still in the article. --Too tired to log in 11:42, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Not to toot my own horn, but I was quite proud of this little piece of nose-tweaking. Stile4aly 12:00, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * The "My Favourite Things" one is among my, umm, favourites, but I have to go with "Two meters", can you honestly say you didn't think for a few minutes it was made by a parodist? NightFlare    12:11, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * There's been so many in the last few days, it's hard for me to say. Corryundefined 12:12, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ooof, so many things to choose from. Personally, I prefer edits that look like parody, but are 100% serious. For example... Andy's "defensive weapon of gun" or his now-infamous argument that 95% certainty is all that is needed in science (although he later jumped onto the "One counterexample is all that is needed, and leaves are pretty, so there!" train, which also is one of my favs). Aside from Andy's madness, I like cases like TerryH (if I recall correctly) and his chimera made by a highly advanced civilization that got wiped out during The Flood. Ed Poor's senseless stubs (even the ones that are less crazy than Two Meters) are a good runner-up, though. --Sid 13:31, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * 100% but look like parody? Basically, most of Andy's talkpage edits then :)  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 13:35, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think my favorite article still has to be women wearing pants. Corryundefined 14:19, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * The closet is a nice little unfinished symphony by Ed Poor.  w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 15:15, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * My favorites foten look like this, but really, if I tried to come up with one??? A Schlafyism-generator might be my answer. As I recall, the one some people built here is pretty uncanny, but does need to get updated regularly with his new Words of the Weak.  ħ uman  18:50, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Gentlemen, operation Cheesesteak will soon be upon us!
Gentlemen, Operation Cheesesteak will soon be upon us. You may soon find that searches for topics on homosexuality, atheism and evolution will soon find Conservapedia articles in their top 20 ranks! Can you imagine the joy and celebrations in the Creationist community when this happens? We should see results in the next 25 to 32 months, if not sooner! Perhaps you should try to get your articles to climb so high in rankings. I can only imagine what that would look like! Kendoll 11:46, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Hey Ken, perheps you should be aware that google remembers your searches, and as such, anyone with at least half a brain would realize that google uses these results to better tailor their responses to you. InaVegt 12:11, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * That even though it tailors it's results to you, it still doesn't give you the parodypedia results even barely close to first page is pretty damning evidence that google considers your personal article to be a piece of bullcrap. InaVegt 12:11, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Thank you for the notification, though. Godspeed. InaVegt 12:11, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Mmmmm . . . cheesesteak . . . -Master Bra'tacKree! 12:18, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Shorter 🇰🇪: Readable english isn't as important as SEO, allow me to waste three edits just to say that. --Kels 13:22, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Obviously in the toss up between a readable, precise article and something that has been SEO'd to hell but reads like a 2-year old wrote it, you know which he'd prefer.  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 13:34, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Yeah, that makes me laugh a lot. He makes all these ridiculous efforts to get people to look at the article, but those same efforts make the article literally painful to read once they get there.  Which, I expect, would turn people off almost immediately.  Gun, foot, you do the math. --Kels 13:38, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Shorter 🇰🇪 again: "You will do the hard work, I will edit them into the article if I feel like it, but in either case, I will erase your contribs so that nobody will know that you worked on this article." Oh, and here's an interesting admission if I ever saw one: "Please do not copy the whole article because that would make things more cumbersome as it would require more scrolling." - Guess what that says about your article, then... --Sid 14:19, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Condensed 🇰🇪: Gentlemen!       Sincerely, Conservative.   w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 15:00, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Gentleman conservative
I wish you good luck with your efforts to promote your anti-atheism, anti-evolution and anti-homosexual articles. After all, sunlight is the best disinfectant. Here's hoping your articles rise to #1! :)-- 13:59, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Lenski
You're right, Andy. Even if someone ask you not to delete without counterargument, you should delete it. Well, he's not claiming to be an expert, just asking you to consider his argument. But if you can't understand the argument, so it is an expert thing, and then it's false unless it comes from the Bible, right? Baracki 11:55, 2 November 2008 (EST)

In which Ken demonstrates his fundamental stupidity.
Well-meaning guy points out the many flaws in writing style in the Homosexuality article: Too many "in regards to," too many block quotes, poor transitions, need for summaries. Ken replies: Do you have any other synonyms with "in regards to" that I could use? PFoster 13:22, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Don't cut him too short now, he promised to move those phrases around within the sentence to. He completely does not understand the English language. --CWaddell 13:27, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * And the "T" word is mentioned. (That'd be "template"). Unfortunately that would require Kenny understanding how Media Wiki works, and possibly even using, *gasp*, the preview button. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 13:32, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * His response to these valuable suggestions? dumbass CWaddell 13:39, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * (EC)Actually, he wants somebody else to do it (the templates) for him, even though they aren't allowed to actually put it on the page. That's the only use for anyone else, Andy included since his mommy he pays the bills, to provide support for his articles. --Kels 13:40, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Thing is, a lot of these "for more information" links lead to articles that have precisely the same infomation. I'd happily change it to a snarkier "for the same infomation" but these appear on Conservative's locked pet blog posts articles. At least we know he can only make the article look more laughable, if it became more coherent or persuasive we'd have a bigger problem. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 13:46, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Oh God, yeah. Those things are irritating. Even crazier is that sometimes, the same information is mirrored within the same article and an external article, where it is again mirrored. Confused? Then check out this sub-section, for example:
 * Section: "In 2007, the Los Angeles Times reported the frequency of methamphetamine use is twenty times greater among homosexuals than in the general population"
 * Image caption right next to it: "The Los Angeles Times reported in 2007 that the frequency of methamphetamine use is twenty times greater among homosexuals than in the general population."
 * From the "more information" article: "In respect to homosexuality and illegal drug use, the Los Angeles Times reported in 2007 that the frequency of methamphetamine use is twenty times greater among homosexuals than in the general population."
 * And the image caption in that article: "The Los Angeles Times reported in 2007 that the frequency of methamphetamine use is twenty times greater among homosexuals than in the general population."
 * Of course, this is just one of the countless reasons why Ken's "articles" are great examples of how not to write educational articles. --Sid 14:10, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yep, the atheism article is the same. I'd be happy if they at least re-worded the same infomation, but most of the time it's an exact copy/paste job. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 14:18, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Shorter 🇰🇪: ''I don't make my articles unreadable because of SEO, I make them that way because I'm incompetent. Wait, that came out wrong.'' --Kels 14:46, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Here's an interesting, short treatment of Google search trends regarding the political campaign which 🇰🇪 would do well to read. Our Obamas are gaining momentum on internet!  Corryundefined 15:29, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * I like how 🇰🇪 as usual takes five edits to add a comment, but even better, he took about ten to make his stupid suggested links for the new template. PS, see you in fourteen days, 🇰🇪? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:14, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * By the way that site fivethirtyeight.com is fucking amazing, it is crack for political junkies. tmtoulouse 15:40, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Ye Ancyent Ordr of Conservapedyan Chyvalry
Andy is so obsessed with Chivalry, I reckon its about time we knighted all the Conservapedians. Suggestions for knightly titles below please! My suggestions:


 * Assfly - Knight of a thousand eyes.
 * Kendoll - Knight of the garter and also the chaps.
 * PJR - Knight of the living dead.

Add more! --JeevesMkII 14:22, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Karajou—Knight of the Order of Deck Swabbies  15:49, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Aschlafly—Lord of the Castle of Demagogues, Knight of the Order of Loony, Member of the Order of Mama's Boys  15:49, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * Bugler - Ye Courte Jestere
 * PJR - Whippinge Boye
 * Foxtrot - Homophobe in Cheef
 * Juaquin Martinez - Grande Pillageer of the Copyryghte
 * Conservative - Grande Knighte of Linxspamme
 * Jinxmchue - Squire of Mouthebreathe
 * <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 16:31, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * BrianS - Ye Towne Cryere and announcere of ye Blogges
 * Fretfulporpentine 18:01, 2 November 2008 (EST)

AAPS / Obama mind control
Very sad to see that the WIGO link to the article on Obama's mind control techniques, published by AAPS, didn't mention the name of AAPS' General Counsel (at least at some point in the past), one A. Schlafly Esq.

Gentleman-Ken
Now listen here, I know your excited about your search results and given you seem to have very little else in life to be excited about I can understand why you are currently polishing your dome with search page results. However, for the record, no one cares. We are happy for you but your articles stink, your style is childish at best, your facts are distorted and your "articles" are more laughable than respectable. But thats OK, you can be happy but we dont care. I know you read this page so I was just laying it out for you. You may now go back to your seed-spilling excitement. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 15:06, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Hi Ken, thanks for getting back to me. You misunderstand but thats OK - I didnt expect you too. Let me break it down. I am happy for you and dont care about your search results. Hopefully this has cleared things up for you. Actually, in thinking about, I would be happy if your articles rose in the ranks as we have shown that 99% of all that have reported on your useless malformed screeds have done so with great jest. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 17:13, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I suspect the major malady here is Ken's bad case of Homosexuality derangement syndrome. Poor guy's got it bad, he'll believe any rot he's fed. --Kels 17:35, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Real questions
I am actually curious about this, is Ken's goal only to have a "high" alexa rank? Is that it? Most sites like traffic as a means to an end, not as an end in and of itself. Most "ends" are things like say a "large, active community", or maybe even "make lots of money", or to "change people's minds." I assume it is closer to the last for Ken since he doesn't care about CP as a community, and doesn't make money off of it. I am being charitable, personally I think it an ego trip for him, but I am curious what he has to say. Why do you want your article listed at the top of google? Or is it really just about the traffic? tmtoulouse 17:51, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Well his stated goal is to destroy evolution/atheism on the internet. I recall he also said "What happened to atheism on the internet is also going to happen to evolution". What actually happened to atheism on the internet is anyones guess though. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 17:57, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Exactly why we should be encouraging Ken to continue his efforts to promote anti-whatsit on the internet. The higher page rank and the higher traffic have predictable consequences.-- 18:07, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Hey Ken, in regards to being in regards to the destruction of atheism and evolution on the internet I have a few phrases you might want to google and see what they are in regards to: "bounce traffic" and "time of visit" these are more important in regards to the effectiveness of your attempts to destroy atheism and evolution on the internet. tmtoulouse 18:14, 2 November 2008 (EST)

It's surprising, but I think visibility IS the end Ken seeks. Which is odd. Because visibility without "convincing-ness" - which is what Ken mockingly calls "style" - is essentially an invitation to mockery. Which is just what Ken's gotten! Kind of myopic.- 18:12, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I remember a conversation way back, I think you lot still had active accounts at the time. Basically, the concept is that if you get enough people looking, among the great many who may scoff, if you get even a few that like what they see, it's worth it.  But of course, that totally ignores that the people who scoff are spreading that mockery around, and if people are wavering, this article would totally turn them away.  So in the end, what Ken's doing is creating a negative, an advertisement for people to leave his point of view. --Kels 18:21, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Now Kenny-boy is asking leading questions to a guy who has made 4 edits total to the site, 6 months ago. Sad. Just plain sad. DickTurpis 22:53, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Gentleman-Writer-of-crap-articles
Have you seen your articles,, and ? They contain the following logical fallacies; If these are not fixed, high Google pagerank or not, it is still an intellectually void article of no merit. - User   19:13, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * 1) Argument from authority
 * 2) Argument from ignorance
 * 3) Quote mining
 * 4) Negative proof
 * 5) Anecdotal evidence
 * 6) Argument from adverse consequences
 * 7) Argumentum ad populum
 * 8) Argument from incredulity

Clickbot
Anyone want to get to work with a clickbot and make Ken's pathetic dream (down the bottom) come true? - User   22:58, 2 November 2008 (EST) (PS Ken could you not delete your pages. We can't see how many times it took for you to post something from a document. For fuck-sakes man you are so incompetent that you can't even cut and paste something you already have written without taking 5 goes. USE THE PREVIEW BUTTON.)


 * Ken to answer your latest point, see logical fallacy #7 on the above list of problems with your article. - User   00:18, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * A youtube video is NOT HOW TO ADDRESS THE POINT. Try again. - User   00:31, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Yes, I can see you, stop adding dots and get to the point already. - User   00:40, 3 November 2008 (EST)

SF Chronicle / coal / bankrupt
About the current WIGO entry: Obama really did use the word "bankrupt" in an interview with the SFChronicle (audio, transcript), as a way to explain how strict his cap-and-trade system would be. Obama doesn't say when it would bankrupt them. He says it would occur after the cap is racheted down, and thus, it would be down the road. Still, it seems like a bit of a verbal slip-up to me. --Toiretni 19:07, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * More to the point, the WIGO item criticizes CP for linking to NewsBusters instead of non-existent SFChronicle article. But, see, that's the point of the CP/NB item--They're claiming precisely that there isn't a SFC article, when there should be, that SFC is suppressing the relevant news.  They're not, of course--the interview is available online, and NB is quote-mining and twisting Obama's meaning, but it's all there.--WJThomas 19:21, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm a little confused, then. Where on the SF Chronicle site do they have the actual interview, as opposed to a sound bite?  I can't really see much reference to it save for right-wing sites slamming Obama, so it comes off as this totally out of context thing.  If it bears out, I have no problem with commenting out the entry, but I'd like to be sure of what I'm doing first. --Kels 20:30, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Tennis, Anyone?
A nice bland article on Martina Navratilova[] gets the CP treatment from Bugler [] and then from Fox []. I guess the masterpiece I've been working on about Sheryl Swoopes will have to be put on hold. Is Fox a parodist, or is his story more complicated? &mdash; Unsigned, by: Simple / talk / contribs


 * Fox is real he use to hang around here and get into arguments (when drunk), Bugler is starting to become a bit each way about him. - User   20:28, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * You should have a look through some of the archives about July or so to see how much of a douchebag Fox is. --DamoHi 20:52, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Fox, the drunken internet fisticuffs master, has no relation to Foxtrot. They're too different users. Foxtrot actually believes the shit at CP and instills it into articles, the Fox we knew sometimes challenged sysops and even Andy on many occasions, as futile as it was. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:05, 2 November 2008 (EST)

I usually think there's no way Foxtrot could be a parodist, but then I read things like |"I think bottom is the way to go. The bottom can accommodate it as it expands and is a smoother experience altogether." 76.105.223.176 21:13, 3 November 2008 (EST)

A hit! A very palpable hit!
Ooh, that's gonna leave a mark. Totally calls out Andy's hypocrisy without doing so obviously, and underlines the fact that not only doesn't Andy's version of "chivalry" line up with any known definition of it, it's entirely at odds with the "see also" on his own site's entry on the subject. It's Andy's bad luck as a pretend "teacher" to come across someone who actually takes the idea of teaching seriously, and is willing to back up her arguments. --Kels 20:27, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I was just reading that she schools him. I always thought Hsmom was just acting as a homeschooling mother, but she does seem to know more on the subject than Andy (although given the topics Andy thinks he is an expert on and isn't that really comes as no surprise). - User   20:31, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I get the impression that Andy went into homeschooling because he thought it was easy money. He certainly hasn't put any particular work into his lectures, and there's no indication that he's really done any professional development at all.  Hell, a lot of his notes make it look like he's seeing this stuff for the first time, and yet he chose to do a course on a subject he knows nothing about.  --Kels 20:36, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Andy responds with a broadside. Corryundefined 20:39, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * He's feeling cornered. When I saw Corry, PJR and HSmom all respond at about the same time, all with good points, I knew he was gonna start getting vicious.  Watch for at least Corry to get a 90/10 block pretty soon. --Kels 20:41, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * I like Hsmom's meticulous nature regarding grammar, spelling, and citation. It'd be a huge mistake to run her off.  Corryundefined 20:43, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * You only have to see Ed and people that actually know mathematics to see that there is nothing the sysops at CP want but to be the only "expert" there on their chosen field. Plus she has exposed the dirty little plagiarism secret so Andy is going to want her rid of soon anyway. - User   22:07, 2 November 2008 (EST)

This is all very interesting, and it makes him look like an ass, but I do miss the days of him personally attempting to debunk evolution and science. 21:01, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Asking for an apology is liberal style! LIIIIIIIIIIIIIBERAL! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:08, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Best comment yet, from Hsmom: "haven't seen their essays, DBQs, presentations, reading assignments, etc..." Hahahhahaha "essays" hahahahaha "DBQs" hahahahahahahahaha "presentations" oh, god, I'm going to wet my fucking pants here. Does she actually think Andy is actually giving these kids real assignments and giving them any academic or intellectual challenges? Is she actually under any sort of impression that this is a real class? Oh, sweet jesus, that is precious... DickTurpis 21:37, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * DBQ? Drunk Barbershop Quartets? Daily Bullshit Quotas? Doing Big Queers? Don't Blame Quebec? What the hell's a DBQ? PFoster 21:40, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * "Document-Based Question", one of the most important elements of the AP history exam. They have to look at a primary source document and write for about 45 minutes on their understanding/interpretation/etc of it. It is the sort of thing that is well beyond anything Andy has them do (though I guess his "write a sentence fragment on this cartoon I've already spelled out for you" are somewhere in the same kingdom). DickTurpis 21:45, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ah. Well-the concept is something I'm more than familiar with (I'm a history student)--but I've never seen the acronym before (don't come from the US AP/CLEP/SAT standardised-testing-happy system...) Thanks...PFoster 21:52, 2 November 2008 (EST)

One thing that really set Andy off, I think, is a criticism that's come up here a lot. Due to his incompetent teaching, he's got students handing in homework that looks like it was done by much younger students. 17 year olds handing in stuff that makes them look 14, and so forth. Aside from which, she listed off a bunch of things like the DBQ's that Andy probably doesn't even recognize, and almost certainly doesn't use. So she hit him squarely in his pride as a pretend teacher, and of course it set him off pretty badly. --Kels 22:04, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * 17 year olds doing work that makes them look 13? We call that "pulling a Ken." Actually, pulling a Ken is a 45 year old doing work that makes him appear 12, but it's much the same thing. DickTurpis 22:09, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * You say "fuselage," I say "fusillade." Let's call the whole thing off. PFoster 22:10, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * HSMOM-Parodist. PFoster 22:20, 2 November 2008 (EST)


 * I don't think so- she never says anything outlandish in agreement with the party line. Corryundefined 22:26, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Is it just me or does the "oh dear" come off as rather sarcastic? I suppose it may be just me since the only time I would ever use such a phrase is to patronize someone, but I guess its not impossible that other people might use it sincerely.  --98.193.36.63 22:29, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Are you kidding me? Gives him the apology he wants, flatters him with what a good and experienced teacher he is, and calls herself a dumb blonde? Dude, that has parody written all over it. She knows by now how incompetent he is and nobody as smart as she would ever play the "don't ask me, I'm just a girl" card PFoster 22:30, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * That's not parody, that's common sense. Obviously she knows how to deal with contentious people, and Andy's about as contentious as it can get, especially mid-tantrum like this. --Kels 22:35, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * He put the freakin' "bizarre external site" in himself! And Brossa's called him out on it!  --Too tired to log in 22:41, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Not parody, exactly, but it sure seems like she's baiting him with an 'oh, dear, I'm so blond, mercy me, I need to tend to my laundry, I don't know nothin about birthin' no babies' shtick. Andy's ox has been righteously gored, and by a woman (or, perhaps, 'woman') no less, who now bats her eyes and puts the back of her wrist to her forehead. Does Andy demand satisfaction for the insult, or does his innate sense of chivalry (snicker) demand that he help her to a convenient fainting-couch and fan her with his pocket square? Decisions, decisions. He's screwed either way. Check and mate, HSmom! Brilliant!--Martin Arrowsmith 22:43, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, this is more like it! Corryundefined 22:50, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Shorter Andy: Would you two please shut up so I can run away like a screaming coward, already? --Kels 23:10, 2 November 2008 (EST)
 * Parodist, or concerned female who *happens* to be conservative but thinks these kids are getting screwed -- either way, she(parodist or not, I hope she is a she) rocks, and her comments slice him to the quick. Even he knows he was busted!-- 11:29, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * And the plot thickens. Corryundefined 12:12, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Bugler vs PJR - The saga continues
Bugler uses the row discussion about chivalry and exams to simultaneously stick one on PJR and suck up to Andy. Toadyism at it's best. Silver Sloth 06:23, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * More to report! Philip removes Bugler's statement, Bugler puts it back, and Phil removes it again with authority. It spills over to Phil's talkpage. Someone should hit a home run with Bugler and his constant removal of criticisms on the PNAS stuff. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  10:36, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Bugler foams at the mouth Silver Sloth 11:41, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Any ordinary editor would be ignored by Andy for saying this, but somehow I bet Andy will respond. Bugler is his pride and joy! Can he continue to ignore the giant elephant that is (in the least) responsibility in the room? :P [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  11:43, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Malapropedia
Not WIGOable, but made me smile, and possibly one for Schlafly's Modern Lexicon. Fretfulporpentine 06:45, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * How about you combine your fuselage of non sequiturs with my wings of mischaracterisation and then we'll have an aeroplane of opposing simple concepts. Deal? --JeevesMkII 06:56, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Fitted with largely defensive weapons of gun, natch. Fretfulporpentine 07:02, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Wait... sounds like Operation Frying Four-truss to me. --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:46, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Best block ever
NathanG with the best block ever.--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 06:52, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, the one prior to that, the JJacob block, took out most of the sysops before he himself was blocked.  07:02, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Whoa! Does this mean the big romance is off then? Dad-in-law's not going to take kindly to that. --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:32, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm sure he was unchivalrous, and Andy had to step in on her behalf. -Lardashe

Could someone post a picture, conservapedia is now blocked at my work for category "Computing/Technology". 70.91.248.249 08:44, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ding! order up. --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:58, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Not sure if it's worth picturing, but these are the relevant blocks by NathanG, in the order they happened.
 * 01:41, 15 October 2008 NathanG (Talk | contribs) blocked NathanG (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled) ‎ (Liberal parodist: My work here is done)


 * 11:27, 3 November 2008 NathanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (autoblock disabled) ‎ (Yo! When are one of you sysops going to remove my rights? I don't deserve them anymore, especially now. It's been fun though, thanks)


 * 11:49, 3 November 2008 NathanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Foxtrot (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (autoblock disabled) ‎ (I meant to say, tell a bureaucrat to remove my rights. Thanks, forward this to a "beau")

Bugler has posted a rather unBuglerish message on Nathan's talk page, under the heading "Unconstructive behaviour", saying "We all feel a bit disheartened from time to time. Undo these silly blocks and we'll pretend this never happened. Bugler 06:58, 3 November 2008 (EST)" <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 09:03, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Nate's been picking at people to remove his rights for a while, but that gosh darn nepotism and impunity sysops love to exploit keeps getting in the way! Too bad some don't get those nifty rights, even if they earned them long ago. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  09:17, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Don't HelpJazz and NaThang have the same rights, which include block and night editing but not full sysop? DickTurpis 10:42, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * He has block, edit, upload and I only have block. JazzMan 11:21, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yet you're a sysop here--who love you best, Jazz? Who loves you best? PFoster 11:34, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * HA! I'm not falling for that! I know that sysopship is a demotion!! JazzMan 12:06, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Wouldn't it stand to reason that if you can be trusted (and have acted in a way to validate that trust) to block v/wandals that you won't upload a bunch of porno at 3:00 am? Corryundefined 11:40, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * You would think so. Especially since (at least to my rather lengthy knowledge) there have been no "liberal" editors (liberal in this case meaning not a hard-right conservative) who have been entrusted with power, then have abused it. On the other hand we have MexMax, Samwell and JJensen were good "conservative" editors who were pretending the whole time in order to get into that position of power just so that they could make a fool of Andy. What exactly do I have to gain by "pretending" to be a "liberal" editor, then going MexMax on everyone? That's the true irony here; the enemies are more likely to be trusted than the friends. JazzMan 12:06, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * True. I think the idea of a meritocracy is completely out the window.  It's more of a sycophantocracy, where ideology, lockstep agreement, and ego-stroking is paramount.  Corryundefined 12:16, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Bugler: We all feel a bit disheartened from time to time.
 * Is Bugler saying this to Nate as a parodist (ie "come on keep up the parody") or is he just saying what looks appropriate?DamoHi 11:03, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, he usually isn't as forgiving.  11:41, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Why doesn't Nate just ask Sharon do remove his rights? They go to the same class don't they?
 * Conservapedia justice is swift and terrible!!!! you get em Karajou, show them exactly what you do to blocked users that have loudly voiced their desire to leave. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  13:29, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Dammit, if your account has some rights added it means the sock has a modicum of respect. Therefore, if you can't be arsed with it anymore, just post the password to someone who could do with it! That said, it is the best block ever. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 15:20, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * I thought NathanG was a real person, one of Andy's students. Was he a sock?  He never seemed excessively outlandish, abusive, obsequious, or otherwise showed any characteristics of a sock/parodist.  Corryundefined 16:49, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * NathanG is/was Kektklik and a one-time (current? none of my business) boyfriend of Phyllis the younger.  I think the parodist thing was a joke on his part.  He and Karajou didn't exactly get along. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  17:02, 3 November 2008 (EST)

NathanG is probably still with Phyllis. He mentioned somewhere that they even considered marriage in the future, and it was just a month or two ago he was looking for a special present for her. Karajou got the last laugh by deleting his user and talk pages from the scuffle they had a ways back. Koward lived up to his name by delivering a backstab, guess he had a grudge against being unable to bully EVERYONE. <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  18:45, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Why do you think I made those blocks the other night? I screwed up HUUUUUGE! And stuff happened, and I was depressed and shit, so I figured it would be best if someone removed my rights before I unblocked myself and started vandalizing like crazy!
 * "NathanG was Kektklik.. and was a boyfriend of Phyllis the younger."
 * Yes, it was a joke on my behalf.
 * I am not one of Andy's students. I'm a product of Pulick Skooin.
 * Hmm.. snap! I never thought about asking Sharon. I called her the other night too about something. I should have just asked her at that point. I'll call her tomorrow, thanks
 * 23:21, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Cue the music
Ed returns. Corryundefined 12:10, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Oh happy day
Guys, I have some G R E A T news for you.--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 12:09, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * and still full of shit, I see. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:10, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Sweet Mother of God. "Thanks for granting me some time off"?!?!?! Wow--talk about sucking up. "Thanks for letting me come back to continue working for your project for free." PFoster 12:12, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Cripes, get a room! --Kels 12:13, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * The semester can't be over yet. Has he been fired from his post as math teacher? -- 12:16, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I was wondering what happened to SilioB. I have a good idea of what's about to happen, though... Corryundefined 12:18, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * He talks about the election as if his edits on CP will affect the outcome. Convert his chances into a percentage of statistic of success, and yes, it proves that the math teacher known as Ed Poor is an idiot. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  12:18, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think the election will be interesting over there. An Obama victory seems pretty likely, and I'm interested in what the response would be in that case.  I can't help that the banhammer will get a lot of use.  In other news, Ed's banhammer seems to still fit nicely.  Corryundefined 12:22, 3 November 2008 (EST)

More Chivalry details
Another student gives more details into the chivalry discussion. "However, you've upset 90% of the class by ignoring thier petition." He even calls Andy's rule as a dictatorship. ROFL! Incredible, he'll do anything to push his POV onto them, even ignore the crap out of them all. Big thanks to StevenM! ALL GLORY TO THE TEACHER! <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  12:14, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * If my memory serves me well, it was TK's blocking of StevenM that led to the series of emails which resulted in Andy kicking him out. StevenM has been quite notable!  Lily Ta, wack! 12:39, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Is this an unintended side-effect of "teaching" chivalry? Now that Andy has offended the female students by insisting on separate tests, the male ones protect the honour of their fellow students and challenge him to a duel?131.111.8.96 12:37, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Wow! I'm impressed to see Andy's students standing up to him, in public too. I wonder if this is the end of his teaching career? After this little episode, how many kids are going to be willing to put up with his nonsense again? Hopefully, some parents will get involved too. Andy's insanity has finally come home to roost. Viva, homeschoolers, viva! Amandla! --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:03, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Personally, I'd like to see this whole thing prompt at least some of the parents to take a good look at how he's teaching these kids in general, even aside from the separate but unequal thing. The more I see of his actual "teaching", the more I realize that the list of colleges his students has gotten into has been in spite of him, not because. --Kels 13:32, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I am pretty sure that from this point of view Conservapedia is working well. I can't imagine a parent not visiting his kids' potential teacher's "famous" wiki; and I can't see the same parent sending those kids to that teacher after visiting that wiki. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 13:36, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Depends, if you're even considering Andy as a teacher then you probably have uber-right beliefs. The kind that will totally ignore RW's fairly well balanced and honest (no jokes) article on him as liberal slander (which it isn't, it's well researched, backed up and accurate slander). Ergo, reading this kind of thing will probably make them want Schlafly's education even more. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 15:16, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * My thinking wasn't so much they'd come here and find out just how incompetent he is, they'd go over to CP and get it for themselves. Although I do smile at the thought that probably a lot of the kids come over here to watch the snark.  Who doesn't like to see their teacher get tweaked once in a while? --Kels 15:23, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm with Kels, with "teacher's wiki" I was referring to CP. You can be as uber-right as you wish, but you will still see the sheer stupidity of the man, his wonderful educational articles (American History) and his insistence on gender discrimination. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 15:34, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I have to disagree with you Armond.... Slander implies that the statments we've made in the "no jokes" article are false and have damaged his reputation. I'll give you the latter.... But Andy would have to prove that the statements are false, and then he'd have to prove that we did it intentionally to hurt him as a person.   And a slight grammar quibble, it would be libel, not slander. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  15:39, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I stand corrected on the slander front (although I only included the word for it to work well with the previous phrase :P). I'm not 100% convinced someone could figure out Andy's attitude just by casually going through CP for a brief period, it could probably take some getting used to how a wiki works and possibly looking at a time when Recent Changes is lighting up with good examples. WIGO:CP is most certainly selective reporting at its best, taking only the "best" of what Andy and co. say and do purposefully. I'm not saying he's actively a total dick barely 0.1% of the time and we're blowing it out of proportion (closer to 30-40% realistically and maybe less than 5% of his edits are really off the wall), but surely if you're already a believer in his way of ultra-right thinking, and the Crazy Tracy video certainly proves there are more batshit people out there, it's going to be difficult to let the asshole-ness passed the ideology filter. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 19:25, 3 November 2008 (EST)

So who wants to guess...
...what the newsbar on the front page of CP will look like on Wednesday morning if (dare I say "when"?) Obama takes the victory? I'm thinking probably just a big image of an eagle shedding a single tear... --71.236.174.254 12:30, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I imagine it'll be Andy crying about how Obama won by voter fraud, even though the news I've read on reported more fraudulent attempts from Repubs than Dems. Maybe he might even keep the site blog closed for the day. :P [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  12:32, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Voter fraud. The power of Obama's big money. Hypnosis and mind control. The liberal media hiding the truth about Obama. Lather, rinse, repeat. PFoster 12:35, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * That's basically Conservative style. Use every dirty trick in the book, but be sure to have your excuses ready beforehand to explain how the other guy didn't win on his own merits.  The front page and the Obama entry have been full of pre-emptive excuses for weeks. --Kels 12:44, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * ACORN, don't forget ACORN.  12:48, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm willing to bet we'll see exactly the kind of complaining they accused the Gore supporters of - and the banhammer for anybody who points this hypocrisy out to them. Alternatively, they could show their patriotism and rewrite the Obama entry to show their support of their new Commander-in-Chief. *falls off chair laughing* --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:56, 3 November 2008 (EST)

My question instead is: when will they start complaining of "too Liberal" McCain and Palin? When will their idolization end and instead a smear campaign start? When will Huckabee - or was it Romney? - become again the "rightful leader of Conservapedia"? Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 12:58, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Remember, Andy was against McCain before he was for him. --Kels 13:21, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Bah! Palin-Crazy Witchfinder Guy 2012! --JeevesMkII 13:11, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * That's basically Conservative style. Use every dirty trick in the book, but be sure to have your excuses ready beforehand to explain how the other guy didn't win on his own merits. No, Kels--that's politics. It's "voter fraud" when your side loses--like the Dems and Ohio in 2004, and "unfounded allegations blown out of proportion" when they win, like Acorn on Wednesday morning...PFoster 13:14, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm actually much more interested in Prop 8 out of Cali..... I hope it fails, just because I wanna see Andy the and Schlaflytes rocking back in forth in the corner muttering to themselves :De gays are comin, de gays are comin. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  13:25, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Doesn't John Schlafly live in California? Assfly really desperately needs a new brother in law. Make it happen all you US Americans! --JeevesMkII 13:29, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * We've had the discussion somewhere about which result would make Conservapedia more insufferable. I think it came out as "CP will just get more ridiculous whatever the weather". The only result that would make it less annoying would be the LHC destroying the world, only a minor drawback with that one, but certainly worth it. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 15:13, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Mansex template
Yeah, Ken's not gonna go for that. My prediction, he's going to insist that not only will every stupid stub he's made go in, but under their full, overblown titles. Which will have the predictable effect of underlining just how obsessed he is with the topic (including this gem, which could easily have come from Loony Ed). --Kels 13:41, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * All that trimming, and Ed goes and puts it all back in.  14:03, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, count on Ed to provide the ass-grab rearguard. Way to uphold talk page consensus there buddy, no wonder your RFD went so well! --Kels 14:07, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * So this is the result of "I'm too dumb (substitute with lazy if that's too much of a slur) to learn to wikicode a proper template, someone do it for me"? <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 15:11, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Roger takes on the world
Roger's fighting allcomers on geo/helio/centrism and he's even taken it to his own blog (incidentally RationalWiki Google's number 2 for "Roger Schlafly", beaten only by this blog (CP comes 4th)) TOAST and butter 14:27, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * It's a shame when he's actually right but uses his brother's tactics to assert it. But, nice to see the google rankings playing into our oh so worthy hands... <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 15:08, 3 November 2008 (EST)

For crying out loud
The guy is a parodist, how hard can it be to figure that out? <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  15:52, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Both he and Bungler just replied to Bethany, and it's really hard to tell them apart. --Kels 16:04, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Especially since everyone else with a similar name has been banhammered. DickTurpis 16:11, 3 November 2008 (EST)

National Socialist German Workers Party
How about these two edits. --Space traveller 15:44, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * What about them? JazzMan 17:11, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Space Traveller wants us to think he is clever for vandalising CP. - User   17:20, 3 November 2008 (EST)

BethanyS


I always assumed she was Andy's daughter, but after what she's said about chivalry and openly questioning Andy, I'm not so sure. Does anyone know if she is his spawn? Jr ss  r5  15:56, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Nope, she's just a student. I think someone said SharonS is her sister, also on CP but less active.
 * I think the user PhyllisS is Andy's daughter. No, it is her. You just don't appear on CP without a creation log missing, and you don't instantly get upload rights the next day of joining. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  16:01, 3 November 2008 (EST)

From what I've gathered, Bethany and Sharon are indeed sisters. Sharon is the elder and is the TA in Andy's class (I have no idea what their last names are, and it's none of my business, but I am quite certain it is not Schlafly). PhyllisS, significant other to our own Kettleticket, is Andy's daughter, and not terribly active at CP and not a student in his class. From the little I know of her, she is roughly 1000 times smarter than her father. DickTurpis 16:18, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * 1000 times zero is still zero...-- 16:40, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Bethany engages the brigade of parodists. It just keeps getting better and better. Notably absent: Aschlafly.-- 16:55, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Can anyone explain the logic here that "chivalry" = "different test for boys and girls"? - User   17:23, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * No. Nobody at CP can, either.  Corryundefined 17:26, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Come to that, how does this fit in with his whole "protect the girls (by treating them like children)" concept of chivalry? --Kels 17:36, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * He is just changing track to attack public schools for lack of accountability in order to avoid the argument. He could do with the learning to handle criticism himself. - User   17:43, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I didn;t have any socks worth burning, but I wanted to ask him exactly how much more transparancy does he want from the public schools system? As it stands right now, parents have access to the invidual teachers, the department heads, the principal and administrative staff, the district directors (the admins in charge of the principals), the school board and, depending on the district, the superintendant. They also have the ability to attend all school board meetings, which will usually have a time slot set aside for questions and complaints from parents and staff.  In Colorado, They also have public domain access to all school reports, which include test scores, discipline trends, general staff experience and ethnic breakdown of the school.... Compare that to Andy..... Hey, any CP editors... someone ask Andy what else he wants. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  17:55, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, but public schools don't mark papers on an open wiki for all the world to see. - User   17:59, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Because that's a good way to get yourself sued. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  18:03, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ah well it is a good thing Andy is a lawyer then. - User   18:05, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * ChuckB (unsubstantitated claim of honor removed), you're clueless about transparancy in the public school system. Transparancy means the ability for me to obtain information about students at a particular school including their addresses, telephone numbers, grades, medical records and photographs of them changing for gym class. Think of all the insights we are missing. Godspeed. Assfly.

Dickipedia
I believe Andy should have an entry here.--TimS 17:24, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, even gramma Phyllis doesn't have one, and she's a huge girl-dick. --Kels 17:33, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ohhh I want to say so many innuendos, but just one will suffice: Give it time to grow. :D [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  18:38, 3 November 2008 (EST)

They would looove this over at CP.-- 19:53, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Hey we wouldn't want to promote competition for our own Schlafly articles. We might lose our #1 Google ranking.  Lily Ta, wack! 04:24, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Hooray it's Sunday and Ed is back
Two sentences, signed Ed Poor = wonderful essay. <font weight="normal" color="red">Etc 18:07, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Seriously, I <3 Ed for his razor sharp comic wit. --InterpretedThe stupid evil bastard hath said in his heart, 'there is no 4 corner simultaneous 4-day time cube'.
 * Ed's an idiot. Conservative may be mentally unbalanced and not really in control, but Ed Poor is just downright stupid. Yes Ed, ice hockey was racist--and probably still is to a certain extent. Just like baseball, and football, and soccer, and basketball, and ballet and music and well, every other aspect of European and North American, or for that matter global culture. Conservapedia was a far better place without you and your ridiculous stubby articles. Go back to whatever it was you've been doing for the last couple of months. The pain of reading your contributions is not quite made up for the joy I get at laughing at your pathetic attempts to try to be taken for a smart person. PFoster 18:15, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * But is Ed Poor stupid? That is, did he create a meaningless tide of stub essays that don't have any relevance to anything at all?--InterpretedThe stupid evil bastard hath said in his heart, 'there is no 4 corner simultaneous 4-day time cube'.
 * Instead of posting an essay, he could, I dunno... use google? It's obvious that if there were any black players, the sales of hockey sticks would decline... [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  18:40, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * There was I thinking Conservative deserved the biggest idiot award and then along comes Ed and once again demonstrates why he won the award. Speaking of which have we begun to sort out the Conservapedia Day awards? - User   19:08, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Stupid? Bigoted? Why not both? --Gulik 13:21, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Clue for you, Ken
It's not the graphic that's making your crap articles unreadable. --Kels 20:04, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Am I the only that gets the impression that we are the closest thing 🇰🇪 has to a friend? - User   20:11, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Oh by the way see #7 on my list right back up above.
 * So let me get this straight... Ken agrees to have a navbox, other people create one for him... and then he removes it again? Well, I hope that this will teach a lesson to all those idiots who wanted to help him for some reason. --Sid 20:22, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * It takes him fifty edits to make a spelling change. The navbox is going to be on and off the page all day. - User   20:24, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Judging by his recent edits to it, he will likely test all permutations without using the Preview button. And so, the CP Recent Changes on Election Day will be dominated by Ken tweaking his template and Andy defending his bullshit testing thing. Splendid :) --Sid 20:31, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Don't worry when the votes start being counted and they don't go Andy's way (hopefully) we can be treated to the claims of voter fraud, media bias and of cause "he isn't American so he can't be president". - User   20:33, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm personally waiting for him to extend all the names of articles to their full glory. Or short of that, at least make it as disorganized, hard to use and godawful ugly as possible.  Since it's 🇰🇪, most of that's a pretty safe bet. --Kels 20:36, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Needs more images with long and redundant captions. --Sid 20:42, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, I can't see him leaving that image at the top alone for much longer, even if the guy does look a little fruity, if y'know what I mean. --Kels 20:43, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * May I humbly suggest replacing it with a picture of Hitler? Hitler can improve any article. --JeevesMkII 20:47, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * That one should go on his evolution template. He needs on of those so he can even more links that to his evolution article that won't in any way improve his search engine position in the hope of getting the 4,000,000 views he wants by this time next year. - User   20:50, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * An extra forty views in an hour, wow 🇰🇪, you are aware that it is 2008 and not 2009? - User   20:54, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * You notice he hasn't even bothered to thank or even acknowledge the efforts of the people who did the actual work? He just jumped in and tinkered with them, taking time out to update his stats and give Antifly a shout-out.  Obviously, it's his due, and he shan't waste his time with thanking the plebes. --Kels 22:57, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * (undent) Good point; I never noticed it. Maybe because I practically never see sysops thanking people who do serious work there, anyway. There are some notable exceptions, but mostly (from what I remember), the only way to get "Thank you!" and "Great job!" comments is to be an AndyClone Parodist. --Sid 05:56, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Is that really a surprise 🇰🇪 has some very antisocial behaviours as I said I think we are the closest he has to friends. - User   06:04, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Operation Paddleboat Is Gathering Steam
Well, the cat seems to be out of the bag...-- 21:13, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Hold on a sec...does 🇰🇪 actually think we've been trying to guess what his Operation Underwear Stain or whatever is all about? He can't be that clueless, can he? --Kels 21:39, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Gentleman Kels, my articles are climbing the search engine rankings and will likely soon be in he top ten. Can you guess what I will do when that finally happens?. Kendoll 22:06, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Masturbate furiously? --Kels 22:53, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Gentleman Conservative
I'm glad to see that your efforts to promote anti-evolution on the internet are working on the internet. I would not be at all surprised if you were to continue promoting anti-evolution on the internet. :)

In regards to operation paddleboat, I do think that it could be decisive in bringing the evolution article to #1 on the search engine that ends with an "e." ;) Please let us know if we can help you further to promote anti-evolution on the internet. Remember, sunlight is the best antiseptic. It's often the hunter who gets stuck in the foothold trap who saws his leg off the fastest. :):)

I have more good news regarding operation flying fortresses and operation grassroots. We have been thinking expansively, and have launched "operation caterpillar." I'll give you a hint: our forces will mobilize swiftly during operation caterpillar. Remember to think hungrily and unexpectedly regarding operation caterpillar. ;)

Warmest regards, Gentleman 22:23, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * It truly will be a remarkable event when you finally eradicate Evolution from the internet Ken.  My hat is off to you - you're changing history, and future historians will forever look back at your work and say, "During the late Oughties, a single internet user managed to entirely shift humankind away from believing in the misguided Theory of Evolution".   Incredible, Ken, keep it up.   Oh, I see another reference to evolution popped up on a Romanian website- off you go!   Oooh, an Argentinian site has one now!  And now a Russian one!   Damn, all those furren languages!   Quick, off to work with you!   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP 

Lets make a start here. - User   23:23, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Gentleman Conservative Re: Operation Caterpillar
I am disappointed not to see any guesses regarding operation caterpillar. :) Rest assured that operation caterpillar is progressing smoothly! You may want to consider thinking more inclusively and ostentatiously regarding operation caterpillar. Remember: when the milk turns sour, often it is the person who drinks it that becomes ill. :):) -- 23:50, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Kekt returns
Well, this should go well. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  23:07, 3 November 2008 (EST)


 * Does Koward know who he is messing with? My mistake this should go down badly. - User   23:17, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Kettle o'Fish pulls a Samwell - but from the inside. Wow, that kid's got some nice shiny ones.  Good for him! "Yo! When are one of you sysops going to remove my rights? I don't deserve them anymore, especially now. It's been fun though, thanks"  Um, ktkttlltltiklt, sysops can't change user rights, only bureaucrats can.  And there is only one discernible 'crat on CP, and you just stuck a stick in it's nest... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:25, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * PS, this was funnier: 20:27, 23 October 2008 NathanG (Talk | contribs) blocked BethanyS (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1023 seconds (autoblock disabled) ‎ (for not wearing black to class today.)


 * 


 * Moar: "07:49, 3 November 2008 NathanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Foxtrot (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (autoblock disabled) ‎ (I meant to say, tell a bureaucrat to remove my rights. Thanks, forward this to a "beau")"


 * The crazy part is, the insane blocks were this AM. He blocked Kumquat the Sailor just before midnight... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:28, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I loved Andy's note while unblocking Kara even more: "no, don't block Karajou!" - I can almost hear him saying it in near-panic parent style: "WHAT U DOING?!?! OH NOES!!!" --Sid 05:50, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * He got his wish. - User   05:53, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Even took his edit and upload rights away. Wow. And the reason is killing me: "just blocked one of our most experienced Sysops" - Kara must be doing some awesome stalker detective work over at whatever SDG they got right now, because I usually don't see Andy giving him head so openly. --Sid 05:58, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * Ohhh... that makes more sense now! I thought Andy was bemoaning the loss of NathanG, like "oh woe is me, Conservapedia loses another valued contributor." Like if Dad had to put down Old Yeller, and then left a note on the kitchen counter that said just shot one of our most dearly loved house pets. You know, just FYI. But I must admit that the less gracious Karajou-fellating answer makes more sense in context. --Marty 03:19, 5 November 2008 (EST)

About fucking time~! 08:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Well, I for one am dying to hear what bought on this palace rebellion. Next Sunday lunch with the Schlafly's could be a bit interesting :) --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:09, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * You have lunch with them? Good for you. 14:59, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Totally Irrelevant to Conservapedia
Synchronized Presidential Debating, courtesy of 236.com. Happy Election Eve! --Marty 23:42, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Comparison of the day
PJR on stem cell research on embryos that are going to be discarded: |"Was it okay to experiment on the Jews who were going to the gas chambers in Nazi Germany because they were going to die anyway?". I did a triple take. 76.105.223.176 00:08, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Godwin's Law. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  12:12, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Andy facing Obamaland
Andy must have been driven to distruction the last few months, as the Republicans have self-destructed and the Obama ticket has kept on rolling. He clearly either no longer cares or didn't even notice that his latest newsworthy article is a clear parody. I mean, for Goat's sake, man, read the link itself! Or even read the text at the top that says "stories submitted by users are not edited, fact-checked or screened before they post."

Maybe he's hoping that just enough undecided or Democratic voters will see the news item, and without clicking on the link, think, "oh shit, you know maybe I should just vote for Palin McCain." And after the election, sanity returns to CP and it starts being as notable as Britannica. Bondurant 02:03, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, but he would love being once again in the "angry minority"... it must have sucked for to defend Bush. As it would have for him to twist his panties around McCain.  On the other hand, Hating Obama dot COM has four solid years of life in it! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * A shame, on the other hand, that The Daily Show will seem that bit less entertaining for the next 4 years. Jon Stewart's GWB impression gets me every time. Bondurant 02:56, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I don't think that Jon Stewart will run out of material anytime soon. Don't forget that the 2010 midterm campaigns start tomorrow!  Corryundefined 09:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm pretty sure you can rip it out of Obama easy enough. Granted, it won't be as easy as Dybya but there's always something about a politician that you can make a joke out of. 144.32.180.39 11:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think it'll be real hard. Before, you had:
 * GWB - Stupid, almost a parody himself, constantly contradictory, "Mission Accomplished", stupid laugh, stupid, and have I mentioned stupid yet?
 * Rumsfeld - Snake-like, "there are unknown unknowns", stupid, ultra-hawk, associates with known dictators like Saddam, etc.
 * Cheney - Eeeevil, shoots his friends in the face, didn't know that his job was to shut up and sit quitely in the Senate.
 * Obama (please win, by the way!) will have to surround himself with some true idiots, or else remove 95% of his brain to be as stupid as GWB in order to provide the same level of entertainment. Maybe a Monica Lewinsky moment or two.
 * Just can't see it happen myself. Bondurant 11:42, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Someone parodied Andy on the comments in the link:

"I went to law school with Obama and I can tell you that he is an Arab Muslim! You can even ask my mommy, she'll tell you! Sure, she's old and crusty and she smells like feces, but she's a smart lady. We should all be very scared if the Negro wins today.

PS: Don't vaccinate your kids or they will die of breast cancer."

"'As personal guardian of my mom's snatch, I must balk at the unchivalrous nature of that comment. In fact, she is of late gone lezbo for Palin. Please fact check your statements int he future. Godspeed.'"

ROFL! And it's still on the main page. Score. <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  11:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Lezbo for Palin....... oh dear. That brings far too much imagry to mind. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:55, 4 November 2008 (EST)

--InterpretedThe stupid evil bastard hath said in his heart, 'there is no 4 corner simultaneous 4-day time cube'.

Ed removed the entry on the main page, stating it wasn't a good source. I wonder i it wasn't good because it had some prominent crude insults to Andy and his mom, or if suddenly CP got some standards as to what sources can be used for main page "News" items. The latter seems out of place, as it currently has an uncited, unnamed random email as a source. Likewise a random site anyone can post anything on is little different from Newsbusters or WND. DickTurpis 14:12, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Slow today
Pretty slow here so far. Is everyone in line waiting to vote? I would be, but I have some outstanding parking tickets and I can't risk a felony conviction if I show up today. I hear fewer police will be around tomorrow, so I might vote then. Obama '08! DickTurpis 11:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * Everyone knows Republicans vote today, Democrats tomorrow. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  11:45, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * That is pretty much the lowest I've seen anyone try. Ever. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:54, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I don't know, the whole "come out to vote on (insert wrong day) but make sure you pay all warrants and outstanding court fines beforehand" flyer that was sent to minority heavy areas of Georgia and other places in the South is pretty bad. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  12:14, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, that's intimidation old-school style. My vote for the lowest was the guy in Florida who went door-to-door collecting absentee ballots from democratic-leaning neighborhoods, and promising to deliver them (left out the part about delivering them to the nearest dumpster).  --SpinyNorman 12:26, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Permanant "mail in" (aka, absentee ballots) baby! no lines, no constraints, no cops. :-)-- 12:27, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Gentleman Conservative
What I'm about to tell you might be shocking, but it's of vital importance that you receive this message. I understand that you were taught men are superior to women, and usually I would respect your beliefs, but I cannot let this pass by. As it happens, there are a lot of women smarter than you, and I realize that this might be a shocking statement, but it is true. InaVegt 12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)

As it happens, some of these women spend their time on RationalWiki, and might even be insulted if you referred to them as 'Gentleman', again, I know it's shocking, but it's true.InaVegt12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)

In the likely case that you don't get what my point is, which is quite understandable, even for someone of your intelligence, I'd like to inform you that I am one of those women who don't like to be referred to as Gentleman. InaVegt 12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Thank you and Godspeed. InaVegt 12:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * It is simpler than that. Conservative never referred to you, women. He won't speak to his inferiors. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 12:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * Oh, really? His operation "I'm a moron" page talks about a certain "I..Vegt", and replies to something amazingly similar to some comments I made about that operation. InaVegt 12:21, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, maybe. Unfortunately I don' read his pages - I don't consider myself gentleman enough. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 12:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ina--if he begins to talk about "Ladies and Gentlemen"or something similar, I'll give 5 bucks to your favourite charity. It'll never happen. PFoster 12:17, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'll have to think about that. InaVegt 12:19, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Well it's good to know moar females are here. <3 :D [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  13:21, 4 November 2008 (EST)

wun pluz wun are...
Well it only took a day, but Ed is singlehandedly dumbing down maths again. How long before we get "See O-Ba-ma. See O-ba-ma run. Run O-ba-ma?" --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:55, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * He's really been quite busy since he returned. I had forgotten what an absolute idiot he is. He obviously doesn't understand the concept of a collaborative project. (This promises to turn out poorly) -- 13:58, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * He's been over a WP, probably, so he's had his fill of "working with others" and "building an encyclopedia" and "facts". It's nice to be home. --Kels 20:07, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Wow, Ed, great job. "Addition is an operation that produces a sum". What's a sum? "A sum is the product of addition". Brilliant. Ed, there is finite matter in the universe, and you're taking up about 280 lbs of it that could be used for some productive purpose. DickTurpis 14:01, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think we've finally isolated a measurable amount of dark matter, which is what Ed is using instead of gray matter. --SpinyNorman 15:16, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * He even overloads the irony meter, causing blackouts. CP users who can bully others will remove any source that is Lieberal, regardless of truth. Then he rags on WP, while Karajou, Conservative, Bugler, Foxtrot, Jpatt, etc. are somehow "not anonymous hacks hiding behind their clever pseudonyms"? Really. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  14:21, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * JPatt and Bugler may be real-ish names, at least. But Conservative (who will not say ANYTHING about his background and loves to point out that he never did so whenever people question his credentials) and Karajou? Riiiight. --Sid 14:50, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * JPatt's first name is John, so that one's legit. --SpinyNorman 15:13, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I believe the key word there is "clever." Nobody could possibly accuse Kenny boy (if that is his real name) of being clever in anything he has ever done. --JeevesMkII 15:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ed really makes me wonder who he sees as CP's target audience... --Sid 14:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Himself, presumably. --Kels 20:07, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Thank you, US Presidential Elections
Regardless of their result, they have:
 * brought some RW users back to RW
 * made CP a more interesting place
 * above all, brought Ed Poor back to us. Tell what you want, but he fully deserves the title we awarded him. WIGO is not the same when Ed is missing from CP. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Editor at CP / talk / contribs
 * I agree... that's what makes this little piece of juvenile vandalism so funny.... I wonder who could have been responsible for this.......... <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  15:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Nice, very nice.  15:54, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Just occured to me (seeing the bigol'image) that CP's logo looks a bit like Obama's. Maybe they are a spoof page for Obama's team, to drive rational people over ot obama's side!  Way to go, Andy!  You done well.  "improved".-- 16:01, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * You mean because it's a circle? Clever connection there. JazzMan 16:58, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Shouldn't you be on patrol at Ed's user page... making sure none of us liberal vandalstry to destroy Conservapedia. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  20:57, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * If you mean what I think you meant to mean, then no. JazzMan 01:29, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Depends... what do you think I mean? <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  01:36, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * I either remove the "to" or add a "try" before the "to", either way meaning the same thing. JazzMan 02:04, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, I see what you mean.... I got ya now brother, I got ya.... Anyway, don't read too far into it, I'm mostly just makin jokes... <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  02:10, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Oh dear
Apparently a 13(ish) year old girl is spending $250 of her own money to be taught by one Andrew Schlafly. There is something just plain wrong with that. DickTurpis 17:01, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * It makes me sad to see Bethany once again cowed by that pathetic mini-tyrant. It seems like she's wanting to stand up for herself but doesn't quite have the confidence to see it through to the bitter end. Hopefully she'll improve with age rather than let these christofacists crush her spirit. --JeevesMkII 17:29, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Perhaps we should take up a collection to refund her money. Wouldn't know where to send it, though...--WJThomas 20:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)

No respect for Obama's grandmother
Parodist or not? First edit, so time will tell. Barraki 17:14, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Too soon to tell? He's accusing Obama of faking his Grandmother's death for political gain. Now, there's some wild Obama related accusations on CP, but that one would have to take the cake if not committed by a parodist. I think we can comfortably move in the affirmative on that one. --JeevesMkII 17:33, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Likely a parodist, but his message is actually less extreme than some other (supposedly real) reactions. See WIGO Clog for a whole thread of them (though many have been deleted by the moderator).  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  17:36, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Here's the link.  17:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Parody is always a tough parse...remember that andy's buddies at AAPS think obama is hypnotizing folks into voting for him.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 17:56, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Gentlemen, set Hitlerization Beams to Stun!
That Hitler image is pretty much becoming CP's version of RickRolling. --Sid 19:08, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * one, two, three pictures of Hitler in the same article....fuck me, the guy's a moron...PFoster 19:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Poor LiamG. HelpJazz will survive this altercation simply on the length of his tenure, but Liam is either going to run into a wall or the wall will run into him.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  19:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Needs moar Hitler. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  19:42, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Good heavens, remember what I said before about Conservative showing contempt for the rest of the wiki, and probably the rest of the world while we're at it? Well, multiply that by about a hundred at this point. He's not even trying to hide the fact that he sees this as his personal playground and fuck the users, fuck the sysops, fuck anyone who doesn't agree with them, and they'd better all keep their grubby paws off his articles. Not that Ed "discussion is for chumps" Poor is much better. --Kels 20:58, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Liam seals his fate. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  21:04, 4 November 2008 (EST)

All Andy would have to do to make Conservapedia a relative utopia is revoke Ed and Conservative's rights, and maybe make HelpJazz a sysop. Imagine it - constructive, collaborative, right-leaning but balanced. Does anyone know how those two got to be sysops in the first place?--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 06:04, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * 'Imagine it - constructive, collaborative, right-leaning but balzzzzzzzzzz.' Wot, no lulz? Fretfulporpentine 09:25, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Andy & Bugler
Andy just deleted Bugler's userpage, and I am mightily disappointed with the lack of fallout. Tch. I was so hoping for that. Drama never goes the way I hope on CP... 21:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)

A Convenient Place to Point and Laugh at Ed
I'll get the ball rolling: Not satisfied with being CP's biggest idiot, Ed tries for understatement of the year.-- 21:21, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Roger and Ed: Was Ptolemy right? Was Kepler wrong?
Ed says: "The geocentric theory your brother is wrestling with actually did rather well at predicting where planets would be found in the sky. Kepler's concept of elliptical paths, with the sun at one focus, was so much harder to use in calculations that it took a long time to gain favor. But it has replaced Ptolemy completely, because it makes better predictions. But there is no proof involved here. // We do not know that the planets and comets will continue to move along elliptical paths; it's just that we haven't found a counterexample yet, so the smart money is betting on the ellipse! :-)"

Now, I know RW has been ragging on Roger for his obsession with geocentrism (or Ptolemy's lack of geocentrism? or &mdash; I honestly don't know what Roger's beef is), and there's a WIGO right now on Ed's quote above... but Roger and Ed are basically correct on this one, guys.

Roger says basically: ''"Ptolemaic theory" these days is a synonym for "geocentrism". But Ptolemy himself never actually claimed that the Earth was at the literal center of the universe, right? Maybe Ptolemy was just dumbing it down for the masses. Or maybe Ptolemy was smart enough to see that it really doesn't matter what you put at the "center"; it's all relative anyway. Galileo discovered the same idea centuries later, and got it named for himself.''  I think this sounds perfectly reasonable. I don't know much about ancient astronomy or philosophy, though, and I would certainly change my mind if someone presented me with a treatise in which Ptolemy did explicitly claim that the Earth's frame of reference was privileged in some philosophical sense.

Ed says basically: ''Kepler thought the planets moved in ellipses, but maybe they just move in very close approximations to ellipses &mdash; oh, actually, that's already true, because of general relativity. But if tomorrow we discovered a planet around some other sun whose orbit was in the shape of a pentagon, we'd darn well have to admit that Kepler was wronger than we thought.''  (I may be overstating Ed's case there a bit, admittedly.) Well, I agree again. Yes, Kepler's laws of planetary motion can be proven, absolutely, mathematically, provided that you start with Newton's law of gravity as your fundamental axiom. But we already know that Newtonian mechanics break down in places, and it's definitely not mathematically certain that Einstein got it right, either. So Ed's quite right: We can't say that it's mathematically proven that (real-life) planets move in elliptical orbits; we can only say that Kepler's laws are mathematically proven corollaries to Newton's laws.

Okay, that's all. --Marty 21:36, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * Oh yeah, and why does Roger have one blog for himself and one for his evil twin? What's up with that? --Marty 21:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Probably so if anyone questions him about sourcing one blog, he can link to the other and think he'll get away with it? :D [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)


 * Why not? It works for Denyse O'Leary, doesn't it? --Kels 22:09, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I noticed that Roger needs some commenting on his blog at blogspot.--TimS 22:51, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I scrolled down quick and thought I saw a collection of dildos... turned out to be some kind of graphical chart. :P [[Image:AndyToad.gif|30px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  22:55, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * See you can be "right", but still be horribly and pointlessly wrong... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:11, 5 November 2008 (EST)


 * I've just dusted off Volume 16 in my collection Great Books Of The Western World by Encyclopædia Britannica and found The Alamagest by Claudius Ptolemaeus in which I find from Book 1:
 * "3. That the Heavens Move Spherically"
 * "4. That the Earth Taken as a Whole is Sensibly Spherical"
 * "5. That the Earth is in the Middle of the Heavens"
 * "6. That the Earth has the Ratio of a Point in the Heavens"
 * "7. That the Earth Does Not in any Way Move Locally"
 * I also discoverd the word syzygy which looks great for Scrabble™.  Lily Ta, wack! 04:52, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think you're reading more into Ed's comments than there is, he cites the "we haven't found a counterexample" as the reason to believe them and even goes out of his way to say that there is no proof involved in it's formulation when there is a mathematical one (even if only as a consequence of a non-mathematical concept such as Newton's laws of motion and gravity just like you said). It really seems like his comment about logical proofs was done only to contrast it with his comments about induction and Kepler's laws, as if said proofs had no place in science. It reads to me like he says the only reason we believe in (almost) elliptical orbits is because we haven't seen otherwise and that if they were to move in triangular orbits tomorrow, that we only need to reconsider Kepler's laws rather than Newton's for macroscopic, relatively slow objects. NightFlare    18:23, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Andy's taking it hard
I can just tell, from the way he's made his first edit about Obama that isn't negative in a long time. This is better than Riki-Oh. <font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  21:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Break out your swearin' in Korans, Conservapedians. America has its first Muslim, Kenyan, terrorist president. In yer face. --JeevesMkII 22:09, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Visions of Andy taking it to heart: "I'M MELTING!!!!"  --Horace 22:51, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I do believe that Andy is slowly unraveling before us gentlepeople look at me all Gender Neutral <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  22:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * and liberals no longer have anyone else to blame for continuing dissatisfaction.
 * Wrong as usual, Andypants--the election does not cause a server-wide reset of all the damage eight years of idiotic Republican policies have done. We're going to be blaming George for the mess we're in for a looooooooooooooooooong time yet. --Gulik 15:58, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * You forgot 'atheist' and 'socialist'... 217.41.247.51 06:24, 5 November 2008 (EST)

....And Conservapedia is down again. --Marty 23:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * But back up, but mostly in shock-induced denial I think. Either that or sleeping off the hangover, it's got to be morning EST by now. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 09:30, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Obama wins, CP goes down
Is this it for CP, has Andy decided that it is all over? - User   23:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * Probably all the people seeing what their reaction would be to a terrorist being elected president. MIP has actually signed in - 23:50, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * I doubt it. People like Andy thrive on being in the opposition. If anything, he'll be even more intolerable after this. -- 23:55, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * It has been at least half an hour since McCain conceded and still the main page says "if Obama wins". - User   23:56, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Andy's come back and conceded ungracefully. Proxima Centauri 00:31, 5 November 2008 (EST)


 * I can't quite work out what he means here. Is he saying the people that support liberals aren't liberals? - User   00:39, 5 November 2008 (EST)


 * Ugh. The word "niggardly" is, in fact, a legitimate word.  However, it is a poor choice of words much of the time.  Insisting on using it, especially when bracketed by quotes and discussing a black president-elect, is plain racist.  Or parodist.  Hard to tell.  Judge for yourself.  CP is closed for the night, so don't bother changing it, unless you have blocking rights.  Except for JazzMan.  Corryundefined 00:45, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Too many negatives in there to figure out what you are saying about me (plus I'm tired), but editing was turned back on for a bit. JazzMan
 * Eh, maybe it was a lame comment regarding you. It was not negative towards you, it was regarding the fact that you have blocking rights, but can't post after midnight.  Sorry if I laid a tortuous path of multiple negatives.  It's getting late.  Corryundefined 01:16, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * It's more than a poor choice of words. He bolded it.  Looking at his other contribs, I'm pretty sure he is an especially ugly parodist. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  00:58, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Definitely a parodist. I have to admit I don't keep close tabs on these things, but is there any community of parodists OTHER than the people here? Aziraphale 01:14, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * AZ, I'd judge by the confusion over which parodists are who in private channels, that we are far from being the only source of parodists on CP - we probably aren't even in the majority. Face it, CP is parodist heaven. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:16, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, I misread the text. I was looking at diffs, and thought it was quotation marks, not bolding.  Maybe it's time for glasses.  Either way, it's no good.  Corryundefined 01:22, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * I think Uncyclopedia has a few. --134.10.122.158 01:51, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * There is an entire world of trolls and parodists groups out there. It is just a question of what community they can get a response from at any given time.  Off the top of my head, there's the GNAA for one.  There were at least a dozen groups that have trolled or currently troll slashdot.  I even knew some did Everything2.  There is a group that tries to make statements so outlandish on youtube that people won't take them seriously (I don't think they've succeeded yet).  I tend to suspect that QWest is a member of that group (how absurd can I go before someone thinks I'm a parodist?). --Shagie 02:01, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * ED has Richard Dreyfuss and Qunt, who are fairly active two. I don't think that they're people here ... --<font color="#111111">מְ<font color="#222222">תֻ<font color="#333333">רְ<font color="#444444">גְּ<font color="#555555">מָ<font color="#666666">ן<font color="#777777"> וִ<font color="#888888">י<font color="#999999">קִ<font color="#aaaaaa">י          שְׁלֹום!
 * (EC) Aw, it's not just us Az. In fact, I'm willing to bet that whilst there probably are active parodists on there from here, the others are from places like Uncylopeadia and Something Awful. It does seem to be reaching the point, however, where every post that echoes Andy's POV is made by a parodist. Sad that it's reached that state of affairs. --PsyGremlinWhut? 02:42, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe it's because I just woke up but I can't help but get a good chuckle out of the CP Main Page spin right now. Not even because they manage to even spin a major victory into some sort of "The black guy has won, but that's okay, because now you effing liberals have to actually do shit instead of just whining, and I betcha you can't!" message. But much rather because (1) the Featured Article still says that Obama is the nominee of the Democrats while McCain is the candidate of the Republicans and because (2) that CP finally acknowledges that Obama will be the first black President (Remember: "The racial composition of all the past presidents is not completely known, so I doubt it's appropriate to insist that Obama would be the first black President.").
 * Ah, things are going to be interesting over at CP. Congrats, (Future) President Obama! :) --Sid 04:41, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Andy is still trying to get over it. The rest are afraid to offend Andy by writing things the wrong way. Proxima Centauri 05:13, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * @IzzyForReal - Don't forget Finland! CP's biggest audience outside USA. You can't believe it's just ducks that are smuggled into CP articles.  Lily Ta, wack! 05:02, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Do you think he actually cried? And do we have a video of it? That would be better than pron. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 08:35, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Obama said today, "To those who would tear the world down, we will defeat you." He was talking to you, Andy.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 09:25, 5 November 2008 (EST)