Draft talk:MGTOW TV

Complaint
an article on mgtow.tv should be written by people who actually use it. I was the one who created the page and I’m the only one who used the site so please stop reverting my edits. Thank You.🙂&mdash; Unsigned, by: Eric.the.erich / talk / contribs
 * So should our article on Stormfront should only be edited and written by the Nazis who use it? Facts do not change based on whether someone interacts with the subject. IveBeenFrank (talk) 16:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * MGTOW IS CLEARLY DIFFERENT FROM STORMFRONT. Your edits have been very biased and mine have not. I have described the site from a nuetral perspective based on facts. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Eric.the.erich / talk / contribs
 * Perhaps you should see our SPOV. Neutrality is not a requirement, accuracy is. Your "facts" are entirely uncited. Furthermore, why haven't your edits been biased? Portraying it as a "free speech" website gives it a sort of techie optimism, and gives it more credibility. I am sorry your perception of the site does not correspond to reality. But luckily for you, that can easily be corrected with a little focus and hard work! IveBeenFrank (talk) 16:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, RW doesn't do neutral. We do snarky/scientific. Secondly, secondly, neutral my fucking ass. You wrote a fucking puff piece that I could be mistaken for thinking is a fucking ad. So yeah, it's biased as all fuck in favor of the fucking site. Thirdly, "biased" does not mean incorrect, it means you have formed a conclusion which you base further conclusions off of. 17:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 'Tis lovely to see a little protofascist git being schooled.Scream!! (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Kindly F off! I’m not fascist I am a social liberal! Facsism is a totalitarian government which I do not believe in. Eric.the.erich (talk)
 * So, getting back on subject, do you have any better arguments than "I don't like the changes"? 17:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * as a matter of fact I do. I know more about MGTOW TV than you do. I have been on the site for 4 months! And your not adding anything new like I did. You just revert my edits despite the fact that I made the page! P.S your not Semi Retired. You spend way more time on here than you should.--Eric.the.erich (talk) 17:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * By that logic we ought to let Ken Ham rewrite our article on the creation museum to whatever he fancies. I'm saying that's a bad argument, in case you missed the point (again). You've clearly formed a parasocial attachment to the site in question, and therefore your ability to evaluate said site has been severely hindered. Do you have anything else? 17:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I find the article quite neutral all the article does is list the content creators and makes a general description of the website in question although i think erics changes should be kept.--Igor MGTOW (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)--Igor MGTOW (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent response Igor! I’m glad someone’s rational around here.😒--Eric.the.erich (talk) 17:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh to live in a fairy land where "rational" means "agrees with me"... 17:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * i said the article is neutral though eric should be allowed to keep his changes is that a problem?!--Igor MGTOW (talk) 17:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah there's a problem. Neither of you have justified those changes. You've given complaints and excuses, but no tangible justification. 18:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * can you stop!! We are making productive changes which you are revoking because you are a cEric.the.erich (talk)face!--Eric.the.erich (talk) 18:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah insults, truly a sign of an advanced intellect and not the emotional outbursts of 12 year olds. 18:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * don’t bring my age into this ageist scum! &mdash; Unsigned, by: Eric.the.erich / talk / contribs
 * MGTOWs and Incels aren't the same thing. 18:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Eh, they're still utterly unlikable whiny manchildren who don't know how to have appropriate relationships. They're close enough for me to make me instantly dislike anyone who identifies with either of them. IveBeenFrank (talk) 18:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Eric is adding sources to notable changes and is much more productive in HIS page than you have been also eric is not biased --Igor MGTOW (talk) 18:20, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

And you're sure you're not a sock? IveBeenFrank (talk) 18:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * And remember, kids: Incels and MGTOWs are fucking losers. Twodots (talk) 18:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * NoOoOoOoOo yOu Es-JaY-dUhBuLlYoU! StOp sEnS-oR-iNg mUh fReEzEpEaCh /s -- Goatspeed. 18:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't say you were twelve. I said you acted like you were twelve. Of course he's biased. Everyone is biased in some way. As I said before, a bias is a conclusion which one builds other conclusions on top of. I am biased in favor of the Germ Theory of diseases, therefore I will act based the assumptions which follow that bias, therefore I'll wash my hands after handling raw meat. Very simple. As for the draft, if you'll look over our standards for such things you'll quickly find that drafts are community projects, not private fiefdoms.   18:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

My Edits
Please don’t revert my edits. It is fine if you make changes to my edits but don’t revert my edits or I will revert yours. It is counter productive. It is fine if you add to mine or make changes to mine but don’t revert my edits.--Eric.the.erich (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Mainspace
Does anybody know how to get this to the mainspace?--Eric.the.erich (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This page needs a lot of work before it's ready to be moved to the main space. I suggest that you read our relevant help pages, especially the ones that describe what a good article should look like. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 17:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Missionality
The article appears to have been heavily edited by a couple of content providers or users of the subject platform. As such, it had a lot of irrelevant details mentioning obscure creators and channels with no context or purpose except to advertise the site. I think the subject may be missional but all that other unsourced shit about Eric and Igor and who the fuck else with 9 subscribers had to go. All that's left is a one paragraph stub. I hate deleting pages outright and prefer that others with a greater interest in the subject have a chance to add material here and prove that the site is missional. If no one provides such content in the next couple of weeks, it should be deleted. It's a draft and doesn't require going through the formal deletion process. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 19:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Eh, fair enough. I proposed deleting it in part because it may help prevent Eric and Igor from returning here and flinging feces on the walls. IveBeenFrank (talk) 19:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * To follow up, I fired up an incognito web browser and looked at this webshite and was disgusted at the vile content on it. This subject seems to be missional, but I think a single paragraph mention in the MGTOW article would probably be more appropriate. That's another reason I left the draft up rather than vaporizing it.


 * And I'm not worried about Igor and Eric or any of the other site users showing up here again. In a way, they have done us a great service by alerting us to the presence of these underworld dumps on the internet so that we can point them out for the the cesspools that they are. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 19:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The biggest issue I see is regarding this site doesn't seem terribly notable at the moment -- very low view count overall. For comparison, a MGOTW personality named Sandman (probably one of the more "popular" I can find in a quick search) has several 200K+ view videos (one nearly at 1M views) and 94.9 million overall views on Youtube. The founder of MGTOW.TV appears to be a guy who goes by the name of "Alpha Male Lifestyle" and his notability on Youtube is a bit more meh. "Alt-tech" websites have the tendency to die quickly, being too toxic for that sweet ad money and often not terribly popular overall in the end -- see PewTube, Voat, WrongThink, Rightpedia, Hatreon, GoyFundMe. It might be worth a small blurb somewhere but I don't know. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 04:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Then you should AfD this; this is a pretty strong rationale for either merging with our existing MGTOW article (the one AoT bragged about trying to whitewash on YT and r/MGTOW) or nuking it outright. It'd be okay if we had one less hopelessly tiny/obscure draft; and I should know, I've successfully AfD'd a couple myself. -- Goatspeed. 05:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

An Apology
Hello Everyone. I would like to apologize for the sstorm that is this page. I think everybody messed up in this situation. Feminists and MGTOWs. I would like to apologize for creating spam articles. I originally wanted to create sincere edits. But eventually I created spam edits and began trolling. Such as on We Hunted The Mammoth. I also created joke articles such as Igor MGTOW, The Metwally Network. I also made sincere articles too, such as Hunter x Hunter and Gynocentrism. Eric.the.erich (talk)

A Proposal
I will add more things I can think of but anyway have a great night.--Eric.the.erich (talk) 00:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) please take me out of the vandal bin
 * 2) I won’t make any more troll articles.
 * 3) You can revert my edits and I can revert yours but try to only revert if it is a last option. First edit the article first.
 * No. Prove aren't going to be a pain in the ass, then you get the leash removed. 01:14, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merely insisting that you will be constructive if we unbin you won't be enough. And it doesn't really help my perception of you when you say "you can revert my edits and I can revert yours", as mutual disagreement as to whether or not one's edits should be spared is the very definition of edit-warring- which is one of the main reasons you were vandalbinned in the first place. -- Goatspeed. 01:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)