RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive106

Bongolian and Helena Bonham Carter
It would appear that certain individuals think they can dictate content on this wiki, based on their feelings. A WIGO world entry referred to a news article, with supporting documentation from Congress, that Maxwell had appointed Jacob Wohl to run interference.

This has been removed, with no evidence other than HBC thinks "it's Wohl trolling." There has been no refutation of the article, and as it stands "Jacob Wohl is a troll" is no basis to refute media reporting. Simple as that. The onus is on HBC to provide actual evidence, besides not liking Wohl, that the story is a set-up. There is simply no other way it can work. So they should face censure for abusing their powers, putting their "feelings" over the facts as they currently stand.

Bongolian then abused his blocking powers, by blocking the original editor for 9 hours, with the ironic comment that he should take it to the talk page, which he clearly could not do. This is a blatant abuse of his blocking powers, preventing somebody from defending their point of view. This cowardly interjection, in a discussion - which it should be added was discussed on HBC's talk page - something Bongolian chose to ignore, or was too ignorant to see, in his rush to abuse his powers. Likewise, he should face censure for this. LongLostLegend (talk) 04:23, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Generally, if somebody doesn't like a WIGO then they ought to simply downvote it. That's the way it's always been, and that's the way it ought to be (it avoids wheel-warring).  I say restore it and let people make up their own minds.  If information contradicting the WIGO comes up, appending it may be appropriate, although we should use our best judgement-Hastur! (talk)  04:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, I say we let the WIGO stand until we get some semblance of a quorum-Hastur! (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "based on their feelings" I just want to say that's made probably in jest but there's no way to completely detach yourself from emotions when arguing ANYTHING. Feelings are important. 05:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * When the sole justification for reverting is, and to quote from HBC's talk page "This is JFW we're talking about, man. Jacob Fucking Wohl. Of course this is made up" then it's literally based on feelings, and no supporting facts. The onus is on HBC to prove it's made up, before deciding it's not true. LongLostLegend (talk) 05:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a tempest in a teapot and a 9-hour block is not worthy of a coop case. The fact is that you continued to edit war, LongLostLegend, even as you were engaging with Helena Bonham Carter. Bongolian (talk) 06:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Waste of time coop case. This could have easily been handled person to person. Close. 06:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind establishing/re-establishing guidelines on taking down WIGOs.-Hastur! (talk) 06:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Motion to archive this ridiculous coop case. Shabi  DOO  06:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it will take long to hash this out. I'd rather not close it lest we face the same issue again later-Hastur! (talk)  07:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent. So RW's new standard is "If I think the Earth is flat, we can remove all references to the globe, because feelings outweigh facts." Got it. Also, if you'd actually read this, it was bandied on the talk page, and HBC still felt her feelings carried more weight. And let's not forget how LGM lost their shit when one of their WIGOs was redacted. So certainly a stench of hypocrisy here. LongLostLegend (talk) 06:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * People aren't so much taking sides as they avoiding conflict-Hastur! (talk) 07:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the Usual Suspects are going "it's ok if our mates remove stuff based on feelings and we'll block people who disagree." So it looks like this is going to have to be taken up with the Mods, as it's an editorial policy issue now. LongLostLegend (talk) 07:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Three of six moderators are currently taking part in this discussion-Hastur! (talk) 07:57, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "And let's not forget how LGM lost their shit when one of their WIGOs was redacted."
 * ? Are you talking about that time RoundeTheeHorne (who is foreign to the idea of cooperation), out of nowhere, exploded and spat absolute venom at me and I acted justifiably defensive and received even some more (abusive) passive-aggressive from them and being told to "grow up"? RoundeTheeHorne's a freaking toxic jerk and I hold my tongue for even stronger remarks against them. From your responses, I have a horrible first impressions of you, too, LongLostLegend; that was not a good move trying to try to sling mud at me during the process. Not cool and also, influenced by your own feelings. Yeah, try to exercise at least some self awareness? Now, carry on. 08:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's a fourth moderator who also thinks this is not worthy of a coop case. Spud (talk) 08:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I am also not arsed enough for this coop case either. This could've been prevented if people exercised cooperation rather than trying to "win" an argument by being over-the-top aggressive. 08:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Got it. The official RW position is "Nah, I don't like it, because reasons", trumps actual facts for people we like. Glad we cleared that up. LongLostLegend (talk) 09:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ...Why does this need to be a coop case exactly? Could you at least have tried to talk it out with HBC on their talkpage instead of bringing the shotguns to the Coop? Bongolians block was warranted, RTH was edit warring (although imho HBC should have also been slapped with a similar short term block, the difference is that HBC is a sysop, RTH isn't, meaning it'd be rather useless). Anyway, seems the WIGO entry is back in there, so could we close this? 10:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Truth is, that you are actually the only real user on this site. You see, every account that is currently responding to this coop case is a sock created by me, Bongolian (even this one). Why am I doing this? Boredom. Gunther1987 (talk) 11:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)