User talk:Linus/Archive 0

2nd really. I was first. :-P ColinR 21:30, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

I can't find the user creation log, any help? And remember, what Colin giveth, Colin can taketh away. ColinRtalk 21:37, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

Lins, how do we change default signature? =P --Helios 02:01, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * go to preferences. 58.241.178.139 02:02, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Where in prefs? --Helios 02:23, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * 1. User Profile
 * 2. Nickname
 * -Icewedge 02:26, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey, do you use Instant Messaging of any sort? Tmtoulouse 18:08, 22 May 2007 (CDT)


 * If you are on AIM can you message me at daysofsiege? Wanted to just chat about a few site side issues. Tmtoulouse 18:15, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

teh Sysop
If you don't mind, that would be much appreciated. My time zone stuff will be a bit irregular, but I would like to help out in whatever way I can. --Wik i nterpreter '''Talk?
 * Muahahah! The power! Thanks Linus. --Wik i nterpreter '''woo!

TK
Did he take off again?DocSock 19:08, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

BTW, check stats again soon. I posted our address on the Richard Dawkins Forum, I'm curious to see if we get a significant bump.DocSock 19:15, 23 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Looks like if he can't be a sysop, he doesn't want to be here. --Gulik 19:42, 23 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Gulik, you know absolutely nothing about what transpired, and I would nicely ask you to cease the ad hominem attacks. You could at least make some attempt to find out before attacking another user here. Please see the Main Page notice board.  --TK /MyTalk 05:35, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

IRC
FYI, I have (I hope) with Sid's help, un-banned all users for #conservapedia. --TK /MyTalk 19:25, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Main Page
Sorry my edits seemed like spam. I was testing. Trent wanted me to put some links to our guidelines and stuff on the main page. -Icewedge 21:36, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Mine vdlsms is intentional. Oopsie! human be in 22:43, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Wiki Extension Wishlist

 * Extension:CheckUser          http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser
 * Extension:Contributors       http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Contributors
 * Extension:Pdf Export         http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Export
 * Extension:User Image Gallery http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Image_Gallery
 * Extension:Whos online        http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Whos_online
 * Extension:WikEd              http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikEd
 * --TimS 08:37, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for looking into addint these! Oh did you happen to notice the wikitables are different? I brought over some stuff with tables and they seem a little off. Look at the timelines in the microbiology page. I also notice the math function was a little off as well, maybe it is the exponets that is messing up my code, example is on the centrafugation page.--TimS 08:08, 25 May 2007 (CDT)


 * You're welcome. I'm not done yet, though. Linus (plot evil tech) 08:24, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey!
If your policy permits, please lock up my talk for me. If not, ok. Laters. --TK /MyTalk 22:26, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * RationalWiki:Community Standards 4: "...the user talk page space is public and does not belong to the user. No deletion of talk page material is permitted, but archiving may be done periodically." human be in 23:36, 24 May 2007 (CDT)


 * LMAO! Like all Liberals, you point to a policy that isn't. It is being discussed.  Unless by your post you mean the outcome is already decided? Oh! Well, freshly minted!  Glad I could spur you guys into instantly adopting something! Bye. --TK /MyTalk 23:40, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * *rolls eyes* Much ado about nothing. --Kels 23:43, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I concur, Godspeed TK. Tmtoulouse 23:45, 24 May 2007 (CDT)


 * A policy like the above is really quite authoritarian, IMO, and sends the wrong signals to new users, and reporters as well, it seems. Perhaps when the leadership here, who really calls all the shots, because there hasn't been any member votes, decides to stop being so smug and hating, progress can be made. God bless, Trent. --TK/MyTalk|undefined 07:26, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

De-sysop
Please for to change the User Rights Log to reflect my de-sysopship, which I hereby request. Thank you, Rob Pommer aka Cracker 09:03, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

More IRC based stuff
Hey Linus - quick question for the king of the internet. TK wants me to discuss something with him in IRC - first time I've used it, so I've set the client up with Firefox, and logged onto CP's freenode channel. I don't know where to go from there though; it currently reads

[INFO]	Channel view for “#conservapedia” opened. -->|	YOU (Wikinterpreter) have joined #conservapedia =-=	Topic for #conservapedia is “is the offical IRC channel for http://conservapedia.com for information about it, and discussion among editors of Conservapedia. NO BASHING! Pull up a chair and discuss....” =-=	Topic for #conservapedia was set by TK__ on Sat, May 26, 2007 07:01:06 [INFO]	This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). Please see the documentation of this network's nickname registration services that should be found in the MOTD (/motd to display it).

But I can't get any further than there. The '/motd' command isn't doing anything. Thanks in advance for sharing your skillz. --ύικι ντερ π ρ ετ ηρ  woo!
 * Don't worry, I think I've got the hang of it now. --<font color="#000088">ύι<font color="#220066">κι<font color="#550044"> ντ<font color="#770022">ε<font color="#aa0000">ρ π ρ ετ ηρ  woo!

SVG support
Do you know what would be required to support SVG? Wikipedia does -- they list it as their preferred format. When I try to upload here, though, I'm told "".svg" is an unwanted file type...   List of allowed file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, mp3 ". (alternately, and not so wiki-related, do you know of a non-java command-line SVG->PNG converter?) --<font face="Monaco,Consolas,Courier New,Courier,Fixed">jtl talk 05:47, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Signature help
What do I have to put into my sig to customize the "talk" part? I want my ~ to produce the following:


 * Uncle Ed bug me

But it's been so long since I set my preferences at Wikipedia that I forgot the syntax for this. Could you tell me exactly what to type, and where to type it? --Ed Poor 18:45, 30 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Oh, never mind, you took too long to answer. So I just figured it out myself. ;-) --Uncle Ed bug me 18:49, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

B1 V B4 V B5 V B7 V K5 V
Go on, let one of the brightest stars in the night sky be a sysop/admin sort of thingy......you know you want to....... Spica 08:24, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

cp template
Thanks! I didn't know what half of what I was typing even meant, but I stopped when it worked creaked along on its own a bit. Now I have a nice model if I want to do something similar somewhere else. I really appreciate the backup. Now I guess I have to write one of those 'noinclude' instructions on how to use it... in the meantime, Bohdan is trying to get banned and TK is whining again to have his account deleted. I suspect a conspiracy to make us look bad. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 20:53, 31 May 2007 (CDT)


 * No, unHuman..just you being he asshole you have always been....a two faced prick. --TK/MyTalk 01:06, 1 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Um… okay… <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 09:39, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * A two-faced prick...hmmm...let's see, one eye/mouth apparatus mounted on long neck, two huevos...nope..one faced prick.DocSock 09:45, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

You broke it!
Never mind, you fixed it.

in response to your message
yes. αιρδισΗταλκ 12:21, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Wish you would allow emails
Hey is it possible to help me and PalMD out with the breadcrumb issue. Just look at the changes and his talk if you need clues.--TimS 14:35, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Yea, you see the talk about line item vetos? Perhaps you could make those bread crumbs disappear.--TimS 14:57, 1 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Isn't it against site rules, not to mention totally fucking rude to alter someone else's talk page? --Kels 20:21, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, and I am deleting the added bolding now. TK's on a rampage tonight, doing everything but writing anything useful.  Soon, he'll be past the 99/1 rule, and we still won't care, since it's not a rule.  TFR? Yes.  Want a nice chuckle at some Sandburgian wisdom?  Go read cp:user:Dpbsmith under his, I think, second heading. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 20:44, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I've read it to death. But isn't there something about unfunny vandalism?  Repeat the same joke over and over again and it kinda loses its charm. --Kels 20:54, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Let me see
Let me see if I can clean the bread crumbs up:)--TimS 14:29, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Damn, All I did was scatter them a little more. Too bad they do not have a line item veto to wipe things from history, like Bush wants.--TimS 14:33, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Need any help? <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:51, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

E-mail Did you get my e-mail today? Tmtoulouse 21:36, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

[removed per supreme decree of oversight]

[edit] Showing my Hand "Hi TK. I just wanted to let you know that as an editor at another site I would enjoy having you to debate on various matters. If you would be so kind, please feel free to invite other CP sysops to our little page for the same treatment you've received, which I think you'll agree, has been no less than cordial. Feel free to ban this sock, I don't have any more use for it here and I will not vandalize CP (as I never did.) Hope to see you and some of the more open-minded among you. SBrown 11:34, 23 May 2007 (EDT)"

Just a little thing I put up over there. Sort of tests the "our vandal our friend" policy, but we'll see. Most interesting, they have yet to notice a rationalwiki.com page. [2] Flippin-shhh 10:54, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

See the note I put near the top of my user page on this topic, sort of. humanbe in 22:35, 23 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Yes, there is no "cabal" and yes, all this place is for is what Sid posted today on the Sysop page, lol. Yes, this place, its 'Crats and sysops, they are much different than at CP.  LMAO! --TK/MyTalk 20:14, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

I think this rant is on everyone's talk page. And, hey, what did DocSock do to you, you power-hungry whacko?--PalMD-yada yada 21:06, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Why does everyone here refuse to follow their own rules? Why don't you accede to my reasonable demands?  Why are you all so confused about how to follow rules?  Bet you thought this was someone else. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:42, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It must be getting late. I keep reading the bold bit up there and it all just comes out as Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEE!!!! --Kels 21:49, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Me

Upload errors
Hey Mr. Technical Fix-it man! I'm trying to upload an updated version of, and am getting an error 'Could not copy file "/home/rationa1/public_html/images/temp/a/ae/20070602211412!Pageviews.png" to "/home/rationa1/public_html/images/a/ae/Pageviews.png".'  Maybe a permission problem? --<font face="Monaco,Consolas,Courier New,Courier,Fixed">jtl talk 16:17, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

cp and to templates
thanks for helping make them work. couple of bugs though. one is that the to one seems to want to move to the left is the second argument is used (see user:human/sandbox2 for example to play with). the other is that using both makes for ugly page parsing (using userboxtop & bottom "fixed" it, but made a box around them that is wider than they are. maybe we should make a copy of userboxtop with less width and call it refboxtop/refboxbottom?). quote mining is a likely place to play with this, or mess with my sandbox if you prefer. Thanks! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 19:06, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

The Information Warrior's Handbook
I am sure you will contribute....--CatWatcher 15:22, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Excellent
They are reading us. http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Log/delete --PalMD-yada yada 19:46, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * What's with all the deletions of redirects? <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 20:45, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Copying from RW is bad, but copying from elsewhere is good? It's so hard to keep up with conservative morality these days. --Kels 20:47, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Me confused. They make very little sense. -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 20:54, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok, you HAVE to read this one. lulz galore. --PalMD-yada yada 20:55, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay… <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 20:58, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Haha, I was just looking at that. What a bizarre concept, that "you can find information about this elsewhere" is somehow an endorsement of a PoV completely opposite to what you actually put in the article. --Kels 21:04, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Apparently SharonS is taking a more "active" role at CP, instead of being the quiet little tool she was. Wait 'til she tastes the blood of a banathon! (which is not a baramin) ((which is not a barium enema)). Speaking of which, CP needs an article on "barium enema", and so do we! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 01:38, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
 * And she added back the most ridiculous part of the addtion.--PalMD-yada yada 21:07, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * . <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:21, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * User:C boldly made this edit, in the edit summary was "no footnote for controversial claim". Brilliant. It is (apparently) a controversy whether (Saint) Jerome was born and raised a Catholic...even though he's a Catholic saint and if not born a Pagan there really wasn't much of a Protestant movement to be part of...I hope Joaquín Martínez sees this. The "controversial" edit was made by "LostCaeser" whom user:C had hand picked and brought on board. I hope the ensuing block will be entertaining. C ® acker 21:33, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Just got better. Lostcaesar put the statement back in with an added reference from one of Jerome's letters, in the naive belief that sources matter. Then TK comes by and quickly removes that misconception. Hilarity ensues. --AKjeldsen 10:20, 4 June 2007 (CDT)


 * I love the way shark "likely belongs" to that holobaramin. Likely???--PalMD-yada yada 21:46, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * . Apparently, adding accuracy to articles is evidence of stupidity. Ah well, farewell, GoldenRatio, now fly thee to the dwelling place of blocked socks - the minds of all cabalists. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Ma chausette ne mors encore. Alons enfants de la Patrie!--PalMD-yada yada 21:59, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

. Any of us? --<font color="#000088">ויִ<font color="#220066">כִּ<font color="#550044"> נ<font color="#770022">תֶּ<font color="#aa0000">ר ֶפּ רֶ תֵּ ר  שְׁלֹום!
 * My eyes are burning! --PalMD-yada yada 07:25, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Apparently Andy couldn't find a citation of stem cells "causing teratogens".15:25, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Changing articles to support evolution is so much fun. I don't even consider it vandalism, because it generally involves an introduction of accuracy. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 22:57, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

CP on deceit
If you see any technical changes, please feel free to fix...PalMD

RobS won't be happy about that last delete
Why did you delete that article? Heart ♥  Gold tx 20:47, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Evil Jew? Because it was trash. IMO. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:16, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I thought I fixed it and made it something interesting. I don't see the point in deleting something that can be written about, to defuse it. I also don't care that it is gone, but do you see my perspective? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:57, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

B4B Fun
I see you've been there too, enjoy! P.S. I'm Skeptic there. --MiddleMan
 * Awesome, I've seen you :). <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 13:08, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

So tell me...
What makes .svg superior to gifs or jpgs? C®acker 19:06, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm not Linus, but I'll attempt an answer anyway. Short version: it isn't always superior, but for things it's suitable for it's likely to be a smaller size and it can be resized more betterly.
 * gif: bitmap format, limited to 256 colors; some compression, but for a long time was hampered by a claimed patent; supports animation; supports transparency, but as a all-or-nothing thing; browser support is universal; for images with 256 colors or less, lossless; good for simple drawings and diagrams
 * png: bitmap format, intended as a gif replacement; support for more colors; better compression than gif, and apparently un-patented; supports an alpha channel (translucency, not just transparency); except for alpha channel support, browser support is pretty good these days. IE6 didn't support alpha channel, not sure about IE7; lossless; good for drawings and diagrams
 * jpeg: bitmap format, with great but lossy compression; designed for photographs with lots of subtle color variations; variable quality settings; pretty severe artifacts on sudden color changes at most quality settings, so not very suitable for most drawings or charts; technically has multiple compression systems, some of which are patent-encumbered, but nobody uses those; there's a barely-related set of standards 'jpeg 2000' which shouldn't be confused with what's normally called jpeg; browser support is universal
 * svg: vector format; unlike all the others discussed here, the format describes a series of lines or arcs, color fills, text placements, etc; can be resized without any loss at all; an xml-format, so theoretically can be directly embedded in XHTML pages without requiring another document request; text in it can theoretically be indexed by search engines; can be rotated or combined with other images losslessly; for images it's suitable for, is likely to be much smaller than a bitmap, at least after compression; can be compressed with gzip or any other compression scheme designed for text; the image can be manipulated by javascript; images can be styled with CSS, the same as other page features; however most of these benefits are pretty theoretical at this point; browser support is minimal -- very recent versions of Firefox support it directly, I think; it looks like the next version of Safari will as well; other than that, requires a browser plugin. MediaWiki converts automatically to png right now.
 * --<font face="Monaco,Consolas,Courier New,Courier,Fixed">jtl talk 19:35, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, glad you explained that (although I knew it already). But see the next header below.  Linus replaced a perfectly harmless little gif with a giant but identical svg, and what Cracker wanted to know is why is that svg so awesome?  Since it was a copied image, the svg functionalities are completely lost anyway. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 19:42, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

chickenhawk logo?
Linus, what up? You replaced a 6k gif with a 365k svg, but it's still the same image. Confused here... Compuserve won't sue us! (and the jpg version, strangely, was bigger than the gif)
 * PS, did you mean to use png? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 19:11, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
 * No, I meant to use SVG. SVG should always be used, when possible, it allows the image to be made any size with no loss of quality. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:52, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * However, I won't war about it, for that particular purpose, it makes no difference. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:57, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * There was one difference - the svg was 60x more kB than the gif. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:04, 11 June 2007 (CDT)


 * (this indent section written while Linus was adding comment above)That's only if the image starts as an svg so it can contain the proper vector scaling attributes. Simply copying a gif or jpg to svg makes an identical, but much larger filesize, image. If that logo had been made as an svg, yes, the tshirt size version would be just as high quality as the thumbnail.  But it wasn't, and you can't go backwards to a vector image from a pixel-by-pixel type file.  In this case the image is sixty times larger, but has no higher resolution or scalability.
 * Also, svg support is spotty at best, making it a worse choice in many instances - especially on the web, where browser support is critical to a format being useful.
 * Svg is great inside a platform that supports it, but its portability is poor. gif, jpg, and png, used appropriately, are much more web friendly.  At least until svg support grows to saturate the market. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:04, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The way that MediaWiki deals with SVGs is by converting them to bitmaps for display. And even in a converted SVG, the scalability is preserved. Try expanding Image:Chickenhawks.svg to about 4 times the size of Image:Chickenhawks.gif in your sandbox, just as an experiment. There is no lessening in quality. But, as I said, for the application of Chickenhawk, there is no reason to use the SVG, you are right. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 15:11, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah, ok, cool (tried the sandbox thing). I can see the benefits of that under some circumstances, like if the image was PD and tshirts were expected to be made ;)  Too bad we don't have a higher resolution "start" file for that logo.  I wonder if the original is in layers, bitmapped, and huge, somewhere?  I should ask around, it's in my neighborhood. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 16:01, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * And you can go backwards, if you use tracing software. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 15:15, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Good point. By the way, I have no program on my computers that can open an svg.  I certainly have no tracing software.  Now, if you had been able to create a "true" svg out of that gif, that would have kicked ass (for the tshirts).  If I had been able to download it, at least. PS, what is unicode, anyway? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:21, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Unicode is the codec for producing (generally) non-standard characters. It encodes Latin, accented Latin, Greek, Cryllic, Chinese, etc. And Inkscape is an excellent vector program. Traces, opens, edits, saves, exports… <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 15:28, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

namespaces
Any chance you can add "recipe:" and "ACD:"? People are already using the right format... oh, yeah, that's right, the articles won't automatically end up in the namespace unless they get renamed twice, right? I remember Trent fighting with this on the essay & cp namespaces. Might be to much trouble. Just an idea....

Can't access ACD
For some reason, whenever I try to get to any of the ACD pages, or the talk pages to them, it just takes me to a blank page of that name. Even just clicking on the links in the "Recent Changes" section does the same thing. Is it just me, or a site-wide thing? --Kels 11:47, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You're right...something is all fucked up.--PalMD-yada yada 12:30, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It's site wide. Unfortunately, when a new namespace is created, all preexistent pages in it get "deleted". It's all fixed now, but if we want to implement those namespaces, we need to move all the articles out of them. Should I create "Temp:" or something like that? <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 12:47, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Linus, if you're willing to do the work (or direct an ignorent slave like me what to do), by all means, git er done. I tend to keep late hours (EST, anyway), so if you need a bunch of moving/deleting prior to namespace creation, I can do it when it won't interfere with "most" people's lunch/evening browsing.  Screw the antipodians! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 13:52, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay, I'll create "Temp" and "Temp talk", as, what else, temporary storage. Then we can begin mass-moving things. Actually, I think there is mass-move functionality, I'll check into it. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:18, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Nope, I think I was wrong. Okay, let's start. I might have to stop, however briefly, to work, but if others could help Human besides myself, I would greatly appreciate it. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:22, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Cool... And we don't have to worry about links, right? Since the article names will be identical afterwards? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 14:23, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, we'll move them right back after the namespaces are created. And, redirects will be autocreated in the interim. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:23, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay, start moving. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:51, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Is that a warning or an order? And are we doing ACD first? (recipe after?) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:06, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It's like a friendly suggestion/order. And both can be done simultaneously. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 15:19, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

I'll start at the end of the "alphabet" and meet you in the middle. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Looks like they are all moved. I count 33 in "main"; 33 in "Temp".  A couple were renamed wrong but that can be fixed in the move after ACD: is created <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:33, 12 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Let's do them separately - get ACD all done, then do recipes, k? or we'll get all screwed up. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:35, 12 June 2007 (CDT)


 * OK, I see ACD is there. Do we just re-rename from temp, or do we have to delete the redirects first? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:40, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Question: Why haven't the ACD: articles disappeared from the mainspace listing? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:47, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Dunno. I'll look at it. For recipe, let's organize a bit better. I'll say how in a minute after I finish what I'm doing off. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 15:49, 12 June 2007 (CDT)


 * I'll just keep an eye on this page and do whatcha say to do when you say to do it. Cool. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:51, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay, I realized that if we simply rename Temp as Recipe in LocalSetting.php, we can avoid a lot of work, if the articles are in the form of Temp:Name, not Temp:Recipe:Name. I'll create temp, and then we'll do as we we did before. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 15:55, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Got it. I'll start moving as soon as I see Temp again. I'll start at the end of the list again. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:57, 12 June 2007 (CDT)


 * I think I know why nothign disappeared for the namespace - we have to delete the redirects after they are moved to temp. Is that right?  We might have to do ACD again :) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 15:59, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

All moved, recipe to temp. Now we must delete the redirects! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 16:15, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Linus, if you rename temp to the new space BEFORE we delete the redirects, all our work is in vain - the articles still get listed in the mainspace. Can you rename recipe to recipetemp, same for ACD, and then when they are safely there, and not visible on the mainspace, we must delete the mainspace versions. THEN rename the spaces to recipe & ACD.  Does this make sense? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 16:21, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * That's a bug I'll have to report. But carry on, I've restored temp for recipe. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 16:32, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * OK. So the recipes are in temp again?  I will delete all the recipes from the mainspace, after a single instance test.  Then I will report here that they are gone, so you cna rename temp to recipe. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 16:36, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Golden. All recipes in temp, all deleted from main.  I think you can rename temp now.  Then tell me when we are ready to do ACD... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 16:42, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Now. The awesome thing about the namespace system is the names are tied to numbers, so they're fully variable without much trouble. <font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 16:44, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Dude, have you consulted Flippin about the alphabet. He had the whole series back on CP in the day.  192.149.13.10 16:17, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Temp mainspace?
Whats it for? -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 14:33, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * See the spanners I threw into the works in the two sections above. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 14:46, 12 June 2007 (CDT)