RationalWiki talk:Saloon bar/Archive2

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½? Why do we have a ½ archive? It won't show up in the auto-list. talk 12:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It's an archive of the talk page rather than the Saloon Bar itself. Previous one is at RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive78½.  I have no idea why this is happening.  12:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * In fact this guy is responsible both times. 12:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for archiving to the wrong place! Could someone (I don't think I should) move this to RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive1, and delete this as the conversations seem to have been moved back for some reason? Jc86035 (talk) 10:19, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethics In Journalism

 * "Rational"wiki does not care about ethics in journalism. I bring up the Wall street Journal literally taking away money from a charity stream in order to get back at a guy who isn't even extremely right wing, he's just right of center. Now even if you are left wing and can't stand other's opinions you have to agree that's messed up. Apparently the admins in rational wiki don't think so. Their commie friend blocked me for simply saying that. And funny enough he gave the reason that i supposedly didn't "Cite sources" Even though I was just about to cite said sources via an edit. I couldn't do it the first time due to time constraints.
 * So that's Rational Wiki for you.TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 16:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2


 * Is it you or the WSJ who is 'getting back at' the guy - and can you support using the term 'their commie friend'? Bad writing is poor ethics, and RW-ians are not operating as journalists. Anna Livia (talk) 12:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Bullshit. Ethan Ralph is FAR-right. Has been for ages. And until I see info outside the rightwing echo shithole (excluding Dexerto which appears to be mostly sane) I remain skeptical of the claims. Now, if all your here to do is notice the fact that RationalWiki doesn't support GamerGate, congrats, they knew that ages ago. 13:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * GC - I presume you are responding to the original comment rather than mine. :) Anna Livia (talk) 14:19, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You presume correctly. 15:07, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Just making it clear in the records - and there is a connection between bad use of language/grammar and thought processes (making allowances for using non-primary languages, variant language usage, writing at speed and autocorrect.) Anna Livia (talk) 23:59, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You blocked me for not providing citations, of which I was unable to at the time but I was intending to get them once I had the time. Pretty dishonest. And just because people know that Rationalwiki is against Gamergate doesn't mean it's not worth talking about. If that was the case people would have stopped talking about the confederate flag a long time ago.TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 14:23, 6 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2
 * He literally has Commie in his name, dude.TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 14:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2
 * Congratulations on noting something so obvious as to be trivial. Might I inquire as to what the fucking hell that is supposed to imply? 14:33, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A gentle reminder that if people are not responding to the immediately previous comment that they make it clear to whom they are addressing themselves. Anna Livia (talk) 14:38, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I moved his comments so that they were properly indented, rather than letting the thread go all over the place. 14:41, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You know he was answering her question right? You Have Commie In your name. Oh but let me guess your not a real Communist. Kinda like how The National Socialist weren't Actually socialist despite believing in the strong state. Reminder the Communists killed more people than the National Socialists 76.8.245.245 (talk) 20:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)Anonymous Ethical
 * Being a tad pedantic - who is the 'You know' addressed to? And the Communists (of which there are/have been many categories) were around for rather longer and over a larger geographical area than the National Socialists so, IP, you are not necessarily comparing like with like. Anna Livia (talk) 21:01, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Just so you know an analogy doesn't have to be 100% exactTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 14:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2
 * But there has to be a reasonable comparison - regardless of the number of diplomatic passports another state issues the Vatican City State has the highest proportion of diplomatic passports. Anna Livia (talk) 18:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What is a reasonable comparison?
 * It is correct and reasonable (and would be legally necessary if the terrorists were based outside the US) to not take donations from terrorists. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:13, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Why do right-wingers pretend that they themselves don't support big government("strong state")? Between Prohibition, Jim Crow, and Tricky Dick's War on Drugs, they never seem to support anything else. Plus, it wasn't exactly liberals that passed the Patriot Act.Phantom666 (talk) 14:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC)Phantom666
 * n reality most conservatives are in two camps and for both of them, big government means two different things. The social conservatives who don't give a shit about big government in the ideological sense (too much interfering in the market and regulating everything) but instead gets angry when the government does stuff they don't like. In this case, big government really equals bad stuff that conservatives feel oppresses them (though there may be some overlap when the stuff they don't like also happens to involve a bigger government and regulations). The average conservative doesn't care if government regulate factory pollution or capital gains taxes or strict labelling of products. The economic conservative finds regulation and taxes as an interference in the economy, that it creates pointless barriers and gets in the way of the magical hand of the free market. The social benefits of regulations are irrelevant and the social cost should be borne by individuals, not the state. There are, of course, many people who fall in both camps, in other words, big government is an umbrella term for their economic conservatism and their dislike of government and their social policies they don't like. Big government in this case = very bad government. To illustrate the absurdity of the average conservative bitching about big government and regulations, consider the following: Someone is angry about a policy that doesn't even exist, for example taking away guns or not allowing you to pray in a restaurant. No one is coming to steal your guns but the belief that the big government is coming to do it remains. Meanwhile, they show little to no concern with actual big government interference which exemplifies actual government disruption, for example the NSA capturing the data of every phone call, text message, email you send etc., the extremely agressive and oppressive battle with small time marijuana, Nor do they get angry about the spending of obscene amounts of money on pointless and usually destructive military adventures, nor do they protest the government giving huge subsidies to major corporations to build a new office/factory in their town (in fact even economic conservatives are guilty of Hippocratic on the subsidies example). But it isn't actually that absurd, because often by big government we are talking about two different things, big government = them doing stuff i don't like vs. big government = get the fuck out of the market and my monthly salary. Shabi  DOO  19:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

how do I use this website
i want to log in but my account's password is a scramble and i don't have ym password database but also i want to contribute but like editing a wiki is kinda intimidating bc it feels like if i give out anythingthat isn't 100% right I'm spreading misinformation and bleh basically what I'm really asking is how do i get over wiki anxiety??? 24.120.253.250 (talk) 02:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If you're unable to login, you should probably bring it up at RationalWiki:Technical support. In the meantime, you should go ahead and try making some smaller edits or creating some pages in the Draft namespace. As long as what you have is sourced and well-worded, you should be fine. Any misinformation can be corrected by other people, and I'm sure they'll be reasonable with you once you let them know you're new. However, you'll first want to get that account sorted. Or else I suppose you can try creating a new one. 02:30, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well if you're not confident about dropping an edit, why not ask one of us if your edit is fine? How do you get over wiki anxiety? Well, be nice and honest to people. They'll be more than happy to guide the way. And you have to edit a lot. Everyone started as a newbie. Why not play around with the sandbox? 02:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "And I'm sure they'll be reasonable with you once you let them know you're new." But also get prepared to be personally attacked and insulted as fuck. -Lankaster (talk) 22:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * i figured out how to use it. just stay on wigo and saloon bar talk pages and yell at randos 24.120.253.250 (talk) 22:36, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * im confused about the saloon and the back alley, because i dont know how to do the time and worried i may be banned about that, but no one really would do that right? i think its 4 squiggles kkpw (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's four squiggles. 14:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

i did it
hi its me 24.120.253.250 I finally made an account on this the genious brain hell site (not to be confused with other hell sites like bird hell ) Transbeeism (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, you're only a few edits away from not having captchas anymore. (wait, is there some role I can give them to spare them that?)  ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I gave it to them just now, but for future reference, autopatrolled is the manual version of autoconfirmed. —Dorianha Bogelund (talk) 04:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Appeal to memory
Appeal to memory - assuming that the ability to accurately remember something effects the credence of a claim. this is a logical fallacy because something being true or false is independent of the memory. The claim can still be true even if they misremembered something they used as proof for their argument. Also a claim can still be false even if they perfectly remembered something they used as proof for their argument. No matter how bad or good a person's memory is it is not evidence of proving or disproving a point presented.

Logical form examples:

Person 1 makes a point backing it up with evidence from an event Person 2 does not remember an event that occurs in premise Person 2 therefore person 1 point is faulty (The person's memory is faulty, the point itself has yet to find fault)

Person 1 makes a point backing it up with evidence using data from the internet they remembered incorrectly Person 2 points out that person 1 incorrectly remembered data Person 2 says person 1's point is invalid because of this (The data presented is invalid because it is not the real data from the source. However the point itself has yet to find fault)

Person 1 makes a point that is backed up with evidence from an event Person 2 demonstrates that person misremembered event Person 2 therefore person 1's point is faulty

(The evidence is faulty but the validity of the point has not actually been refuted)

Person 1 has poor memory this is demonstrated throughout the argument Person 2 points out person 1's poor memory and uses it as proof that his argument must be faulty because of it.

Person 1 has very good memory Person 1 uses this fact as proof for his point

(This is the absence of reason and also asserting their proof as memory is unfalsifiable)

Person 1 could not remember their initial point or misremembered it Person points this out and asserts that their argument is invalid because of this.

(Inability to remember their initial point does no affect the credence of the point.)

Person 1 and person 2 are in an argument Person 1 has bad memory Person 2 has very good memory Person 2 states that since their memory is better than person 1 their points are more valid.
 * Talk:saloon_bar is usually reserved for super-meta discussion. Discussion about discussion kind of stuff.  You wanted plain ol' rationalwiki:saloon bar.  ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:34, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

The time has come
for a new poll. That old one has literally been up for months, someone replace it already. — Oxyaena   Harass  06:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to put a new poll up, but I don't know how. 21:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Neither do I, time to call, RW's underpaid handyman. — Oxyaena   Harass  22:01, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Just put one on RationalWiki:To do list/Pointless polls. I think Kazitor used to be one of the main contributors to it. —RWRW (talk) 23:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I put up a new poll. Better poll ideas are welcome though. 19:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

How Do You Get to Post to The Different WIGO's?
I wanted to ask a question about whether an edit/creating a new article under Hinduism was justified but I can't post to the Saloon Bar. Isn't the Saloon Bar supposed to be for posting anything? I thought maybe there might be an article under the Help section but I couldn't find anything. So... is it just the Talk sections then that function as the 'post anything' part? Is the Saloon Bar then for special posts that get promoted from the (hic) posts? How do you get access to the WIGO posts? Do you need to perhaps prove yourself through quality edits and posts? Cumulus (talk) 06:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe you need to have been here a bit and made some edits, and occasionally pages get locked once in a while for various reason. AMassiveGay (talk) 07:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Any idea on how many edits and how long? How often and how long are pages locked? What are the various reasons? Cumulus (talk) 08:23, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Harassment of Oxyaena
I've been seeing relentless harassment of Oxyaena in saloon, both from IP and named users. This is beyond childish, and there has been a severe absence of mod intervention. I don't care what bones users on the wiki have to pick with her, this is pissing me off. Minish (talk) 14:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I banned the latest BoN to try their luck, doubtless someone will either revert the ban or the BoN will simply change their IP, but nothing much else I can do about it. Lord knows I've tried. — Oxyaena Harass  14:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I've been reverting the harassment as I find it and blocking the offenders. There isn't much more we can do. 14:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Which I appreciate, I've noticed. Thanks. With this kind of format there's not much we can do, I mostly have taken to trying to ignore it now, not let it bother me as much, but it's still makes participating in this community less welcoming. — Oxyaena Harass  15:04, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing what you can. I didn't realise that there isn't much that can be done in the long-term. Minish (talk) 15:09, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Morris takes every opportunity to cause problems tbh. EK (talk) 14:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Quick Question
Some of this place seems totally off the wall bat shit insane, and some of it seems serious and I can't tell what the intention is. So I'm asking if this wiki is ironic, or if some people use it as so and some people are serious, or if all of it's serious because I can't really figure it out.
 * It's a bit of both. 22:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * To answer your question: yes. Shabi  DOO  22:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This wiki isn't even insane compared to some of the thing ive see on Conservapedia &#34;&#34;helpmeimscared!&#34;&#34; (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's the internet, it has always been full of degenerates. GIFT and all.  We try to get rid of the more toxic members, but, politics... SockPup (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Collapsing drama?
Hey, I wasn't sure if I am allowed to collapse drama threads. I am pretty sure a lot of users don't want to read about it in the saloon. If I did collapse it without being allowed to, let me know. 13:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * its normally encouraged to collapse obvious trolling. EK (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * well... not sure if the drama is quality-wise better than trolling tho 14:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I collapse stuff a lot. Sometimes I get a bit carried away, to the point that HBC once scolded me for collapsing a few of those awful Oxy/Cory flame wars, if a bit harshly. (And of course, I collapsed some of GR's.) All this drama from HBC, GR, and Oxy has made this saloon bar that was supposed to be fun a toxic cesspool ruled by someone you can bait with a pointless poll that isn't even about her specifically- and her arch-nemeses' (also toxic) drama isn't helping either. Heck, I even invented the following new collapse:




 * -- Goatspeed. 03:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice necropost bro. 04:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice reply to a necropost -- Goatspeed. 06:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Brazilian guy making a Indie Game
So I have started to make a indie game in RPG Maker. It is an African themed RPG set in a ficional world inahbited by humans, furries, talking animals and spiritual beings. I even launched a very flaming manifesto Wrong Points in the Game Industry and Possible Solutions, both in English and Portuguese, to help create buzz about it. Most people torpedoed most of what I put in said manifesto, but anyway, I put the question in the table. Now I have the most hard part of the work ahead, actually starting to work in the development of the game. Wish me luck! KemalOliver (talk) 23:55, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ive been developing games off and on for about 7 years, and can tell you the hardest part is staying motivated. While I disagree with a lot of points in your manifesto (I meant to post a reply but forgot because of other things), more games is only a good thing as far as I see it.  Remember to not burn yourself out too early and keep a road map of what you want in your project.  Good luck, have fun, and may you sell a million copies.  MirrorIrorriM (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

How to create topic on Saloon Bar
This sounds like a crazy question, but how can I create posts in the saloon bar? -- SixtyNine
 * New topics go at the bottom of Saloon Bar (so your question goes at the bottom of this page, not top). I also assume Saloon Bar is semi protected so you probably can't edit until you have at least autoconfirmed here. 04:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

What is this even used for
Why tf there a talk page for a talk page. lmao. 02:04, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's a pointless page. It just calls to be vandalized because there are so few edits that vandals will have their name popping up in the fossil record. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 17:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I assume it's used for that Ardbeg advertisement on top. Man, got to go buy me a bottle tomorrow. 17:12, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Laphroaig FTW. Zontar (talk) 02:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

It's tempting to respond
But this person's end game is to spread views and disrupt Saloon bar. I still recommend ignore, revert, block. If you respond with a lengthy post, I appreciate the effort of some responses but just don't waste it on those wanting you to waste effort. Anyway that's my feeling. If a mod doesn't like my suggestion and think I'm overstepping, let me know. 17:09, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Is this directed at me? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 03:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, it's directed at Ken. He's been spamming the saloon for a while now...-Flandres (talk) 03:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi!
This is my first time signing up for a wiki of any type, and have a few questions:

1: May I add a joke with my username under the RationalWiki section of the 'You have two cows' page?

2: Is there any way I could potentially be helpful? My main personal fixations is really anything relating to neurodiversity and/or LGBTQ+ (think Autism Speaks, Judge Rotenburg Center, etc etc)

I think that's it, as I'm going to look over the RationalWiki pages about- well, RationalWiki and learn what to do. (Hopefully I did this thing right, I have no clue)

(Also, this is in this part because I have no clue how to talk on the main saloon) &mdash; Unsigned, by: ThatOneGoblin / talk / contribs 00:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Maybe you could start out on Wikipedia itself, this place is a bit notorious for getting heated. Wikipedia can be great for getting tips too, places like Wikipedia:WP:TH are quite useful for answers within an hour. Remember, sign with four tildes ( ~ ) to sign your posts on dedicated talk pages, only at the end of your post. 104.225.183.70 (talk) 00:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

A Humble Apology
Hello again, I am sorry for the arguement I caused in the main page, and now it seems I can no longer continue my proposition there. If I am no longer allowed to edit on the main page, then I am sorry for the offenses I committed. I would like to re-orient the dialogue towards a more productive end, mainly a proposition for a conspiracy theory that I think is significant enough for a page all on it's own: the "Rothschild owned central banks conspiracy. I apologise that I am being so repetitive, but I think this conspiracy theory is important due to it's frequency and place in the conspiracy theorist and all too often the anti-semitie's lexicon. As stated before I do not possess the personal ability to due this topic justice on my own, but I think this conspiracy must be totally critiqued for the aforementioned reasons. I hope this proposition goes somewhere.96.230.207.83 (talk) 20:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)An Advocate
 * Don't worry about the argument, it's not your fault. As for not being able to edit the page, I take full responsibility for locking it due to a troll. 20:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * More my fault than yours. Both of yours.  Never feel guilty for the actions of others.  I just hope we didn't scare you away...  20:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you didn't scare me away. I just want to help RationalWiki, and I think debunking this theory will help improve the site. If you do not consider it significant enough to merit it's own page, that is fine, but I believe it does.
 * Thank you for your apologies.96.230.207.83 (talk) 20:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)An Advocate
 * Feel free to make a user for yourself, so that as you contribute and it becomes clear you aren't completely insane, we can refer to you as something other than a Bunch'o'Numbers (BoN). 21:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For the record I agree that the Rothschild conspiracy is big enough that we could probably improve what we have on it. Takes a good block of time, unfortunately, to do that, but I'll keep that in mind when I get a large enough chunk. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time, PanGalacticGargleBlaster.96.230.207.83 (talk) 21:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)An Advocate

Citation styles?
If I'm citing a peer-reviewed study or journal article or whatnot, is there a preferred citation style? I prefer APA, but sometimes MLA is the first thing presented to me if I hit "cite this article" and my laziness takes over. Quantumgeek333 (talk) 01:08, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is a preference. If there were, it would be here. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒  talk  01:11, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No preference. The citation is what counts. However, using a consistent citation style (in your article or whatever) is more aesthetically pleasing. Leucippus Salva veritate 01:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

The Boys from the County Hell!
If there was ever a song worthy of this godforsaken bar—this would be it. “Me daddy was a blue shirt and my mother a madam, My brother earned his medals at Mai Lei in Vietnam”—this song is about a mean bastard. In any event, this a great song for a pub crawl. Leucippus Sapere aude 21:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC).
 * i saw the pogues on st patricks day one year with my flatmate and his mum. in shephards bush i thinkAMassiveGay (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ohhh… I’m a tad bit envious. During their prime they put on one hell of a show. Shane MacGowan was, and is, a great story teller.  Leucippus Sapere aude 21:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Something to incorporate into the Saloon Bar’s welcome
I think this video, particularly from 0-0:49 seconds, captures the atmosphere of the joint:

There’s only so many times a straight man can walk past a bar, which has a sign that reads ‘beautiful naked women’, and then say “no not for me”. Leucippus Salva veritate 19:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Article votes
Hello, total newb here. What is the purpose of up or down-voting on various articles? Should we vote on relevance for rational readers, whether it's well written, or something else? TIA!
 * It's not completely clear, but from my experience, up voting is probably a combination of interesting, relevant news, good quality news, and probably good news. I suppose irrelevant news or indifference is "neutral". Downvotes are sometimes used for terrible news, but I've seen it for poor summaries as well as clickbait. 23:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Oops
I accidentally marked https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&oldid=2403593 as patrolled. I was paging forward hitting "newer edit", "newer edit", etc, and the final revision brought "mark as patrolled" under my pointer and I clicked without reading. Is there a way to revoke the patrol, or does it trivially not matter? Dave Wise 2 (talk) 16:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Should be no bother. All patrolling is is flagging up unpatrolled edits for somewhat closer examination. If you accidentally patrolled something it's no big deal but a quick check to make sure it wasn't bad would be all the remedy needed. If you somehow found a way to unpatrol hundreds of edits, however... Queexchthonic murmurings 16:42, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

bar protected?
For how long? 138.207.198.74 (talk) 05:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

troll collapse issues
i tried to collapse a series of troll posts under the section about lepen, and then i accidentally collapsed the following section. i don't know how to fix it. can someone help me? G Man (talk) 15:41, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * never mind, i got it. G Man (talk) 15:45, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Where can I ask a mod what is and is'nt acceptable to post?
I understand the rules but just to be safe I like asking a mod just so that I don' have a backlash when posting where could I go to ask someone whether a post is appropriate or not.Theodor Hugs-a-lot (talk) 02:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just post whatever you want; after reading this. Scream!! (talk) 10:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Where do I post music?
I want to post my personal favorite of Kourosh Yaghmaei's songs, but there's apparently an informal ban against posting videos on the Bar. Where would I post it? Vee (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Informal ban? Since when? Acei9 19:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Eh, there was a mention of it in response to Arcadium, or maybe I'm misinterpreting things. Vee (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * People have posted video in the bar since its inception. Acei9 19:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * But there was a request to not "embed" the video in the page. Cardinal Chang (talk) 20:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure people can handle the occasional embed. Because, you know, people have been doing it since the sites inception. Acei9 20:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they can handle the "occasional" embed, but the request came about after a particular, now departed, user would fill the Saloon with embedded video after embedded video.Cardinal Chang (talk) 20:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And that user has now departed. So when someone starts doing it again we can tell them to knock it off. So what's the problem? Acei9 20:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * None, thought it was a standing rule. My bad. Cardinal Chang (talk) 20:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the main issue in the past if I recall was that some Bar readers on perhaps older machines had resources issues with embedded videos, especially a lot of them. I don't know if this still applies to today's readers. Links are better from my experience anyways, the embedded Youtube player will double the page request size when loading the Bar and download God knows what advertising crapola from Google (my uBlock Origin install blocks nothing from the RW Bar on its own, but blocks multiple requests from a Bar with a Youtube embed). 35.140.177.2 (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Again - I don't think the odd embed is enough to kick up a problem about unless someone is doing it constantly. Sure links are better but no nee to get all worked up about someone doing it once. Acei9 21:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

http interwiki links
Currently every interwiki link at this site is http, example: Never Gonna Give You Up links to http://.

Could you change that to https? A small step towards more private Internet.

Full list:

Open minded (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I wonder when was the last time a tech went through the interwiki table. Most browsers (and good websites) should automatically redirect to HTTPS, but I'll try to go through it tomorrow and change the links. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm tempted to say Ken is the worst
Just in light of how much of a nuisance he is here, but all of the Conservapedia Crew are pretty awful. Vee (talk) 20:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * He does have some pretty awful opinions, that's for sure. --Luigifan18 (talk) 16:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * From what I have seen user:RobSmith is the worse by far. He is nothing more than a propaganda voice for Putin. He accuses all Ukrianians of being Nazis and anyone who shows support for Ukriane as "Nazisymphs" while creaming over the Wagner Group who litterally have Swastikas tattoed all over their bodies. He applauds the murder of civilians as ridding the world of Nazis and the mass removal of children to Russia because they will not grow up as Nazis. Conservative seems to have been relegated to Comrade Number 4 falling beneath LT in ranking. Where his superiors go on about how great triator Trump his, Nazis and more traditional conservative ideologies he posts about "Man boobs". To Godwin myself a little he is the Rudolph Hess of the hiearachy. Nominally important but in reality a laughing stock to insiders and outsiders alike.ITFC78 (talk) 23:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * RobSmith, Ken and their ilk are only important in their own minds. Their kookfarts on the internet today are about as relevant as a if a fly sat on Chloe Kardashain's ass tonight. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 02:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * RobSmith, Ken and their ilk are only important in their own minds. Their kookfarts on the internet today are about as relevant as a if a fly sat on Chloe Kardashain's ass tonight. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 02:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)