Talk:Gregory Lauder-Frost

Daily Mirror
According to today's "Daily Mirror" (5th Sept 2018) they have conceded on page 2 that Lauder-Frost did NOT call Doreen Lawrence a nigger at all. The Communists at Hate-not-Hope told them a lie. 86.159.16.115 (talk) 18:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I can check this. However, even if true it doesn't change much. Frost is still a racist, anti-Semite, white nationalist etc.Octo (talk) 18:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * What has he ever said which can be construed as "anti-semitic". Nothing as far as I can see. All nationalists naturally support their countrymen. SAo one supposes that in the case of British people its white. I think you schoolboys should also do some proper homework. Have you looked at Wikitree on his family, or in "Harry Lauder in the Limelight" (1988). Maybe you should. 79.123.26.82 (talk) 17:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Smears
Amazing smear page. There is plenty of evidence to deconstruct most of this page. There is no evidence he went to school anywhere other than England and that he is anti-semitic. And surely ALL nationalists in Europe must be white? Are you Americans? Seems like it as only civic nationalism would embrace all comers.193.201.64.107 (talk) 12:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Frost is an admin on Metapedia where he posts anti-Semitism (his accounts are mentioned above); his views can also be heard  here where he argues for repatriating immigrants, including Jews, to their "natural homelands". This is amusing since Frost is an immigrant himself from Australia.  The irony is he just demonises any actual sensible arguments for lowering immigration, instead he bangs on about Jews, Zionism and race; anyone listening to that interview can see he is a far-right nutcase.Octo (talk) 13:25, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

This is rubbish. 79.123.26.82 (talk) 17:29, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Frost's Metapedia account: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/User:Matt58
 * Also there's not much point in coming here to try to claim Frost holds moderate political views. He can be heard here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHubjfi_qEo He's a far-right nutcase. SimonandSimon (talk) 17:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Amazing defamation
I have for a while now been researching some of the claims made in this page of blatant defamation. My bullet points are thus:
 * A birth notice in a newspaper is usually exceptionally brief. You have failed to provide the birth certificate or the baptismal entries providing full name details. There is no reason for any of us to assume that his name is anything other than what the official documents say.
 * Whatever his parents did during the war years, according to the records of W & A Gilbey & Co his father was in their management team in the UK, Sydney and Melbourne from the early 1950s onwards for 25 years (I could not check further as the company was taken over at that point). Why not check these yourself?
 * Looking on Metapedia, the poster clearly states that Lauder-Frost made his passport available to them, possibly upon their request? It is clearly a British passport in his full name. The UK Passport Agency would not issue a passport in a false name. Your assertion that he is an Australian citizen is very clearly untrue. Thousands of people are born abroad. Families were on the move. According to Wikitree his mother's family fully retained their British Citizenship and Lauder-Frost, under the terms of the 1948 British Nationality Act would in any case have been a British Subject. Does it actually matter where someone is born if their family are 100% British?
 * There is no evidence that he went to the school you suggest (which appears to be an infants school). The link you give as your source provides no information on pupils. Others say he was fully educated in England.
 * Having looked at his letter in the Berwickshire News he clearly states that his family's seat was lost to death duties. This is correct. Sir Harry Lauder stated on a number of occasions and in his autobiography that it was the new family seat. Lauder-Frost did not say it was his personal property. It is quite clear from Lauder's autobuiography and newspaper reports that Sir Harry and his brother Matt were exceptionally close and married sisters.
 * It appears from Wikitree that Lauder-Frost's paternal grandmother's family are descended from the Turbervilles and from the Savages of Elmley Castle and Dormston Manor. Are you contesting this?
 * The Rehabilitation Act specifically states that the 1992 matter cannot be mentioned outside judicial proceedings from 2002 onwards. You are clearly braking the law here.

My last comment is this: Your website is based in New Mexico and apparently has IRS tax-free status. This needs to be challenged. Thanks. 82.1.219.135 (talk) 10:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Metapedia

 * Are you still denying Frost is a Metapedia admin? lol. It's conclusively proven he is:


 * His first account: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Greg_Frost
 * Frost as "Greg Frost" made his own whitwashed autobiography: https://archive.is/bIp9V
 * After Frost realised there would be negative publicity because he used his real name connecting him to a far-right wiki, he requested to change his name to "Cicero" to be anonymous: https://archive.is/ct11S
 * Frost's second account: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cicero
 * After Encyclopedia Dramatica exposed the name change: http://archive.is/z7vhX Frost abandoned his second account.
 * Frost now edits Metapedia as Matt58, lying about being "young and single" https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/User:Matt58
 * Note also that Matt58 was created on 29 December 2016, when Frost stopped editing Cicero on 20 December 2016 - so Frost isn't even good at trying to cover his tracks.

Frost is a pathological liar and convicted thief. One ugly looking guy as well. Tobias (talk) 13:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)


 * As for the claim that it is against the law to mention spent convictions (those older than legally-specified limits), English law prohibits disclosure in certain narrowly-defined situations but there is no general ban on disclosing spent convictions and they may be freely reported. Regardless, RationalWiki is not governed by English law, and in the US there is no ban on disclosure of any criminal convictions no matter their age or status (indeed the US requires people to disclose spent convictions if they wish to enter the country). So, nope, bullshit. --Annanoon (talk) 15:06, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Listen you moron smart-alec Leftist, no-one is trying to enter the USA. Your Far-Left website of smears and libels is however published in the UK and therefore is under UK laws. Just because your base in in the USA does not place you outside UK law. The RofO Act states very clearly that Lauder-Frost's problem 28 years ago is not to be mentioned outside a courtroom today and that he is to be treated as though it had never happened. Otherwise you are affording him a Life-Sentence without any hope of rehabilitation. This is plainly wrong and illegal. Read the Act before saying anything. I hope he sues you under the Scottish Law of convicium where truth is not a defence, but clear deliberate construction of an article such as this page designed to bring someone into public disrepute and injure them and their family and friends will incur a vast fine. I pray he goes for this option.&mdash; Unsigned, by: 2001:8003:3888:6300:4538:FFE0:F17:58B3 / talk
 * Er, it's been reported in the media numerous times in 2013 and 2019, with The Guardian, The Independent and The National (Scotland) all mentioning it. Are they all on the wrong side of the law? -- Yisfidri  ( talk ) 11:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikitree
I've seen a few mentions of Wikitree as a source for Lauder-Frost's family; one notes (e.g. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Frost-6672) that he is the one contributing to the pages for his family members. It's interesting to observe the spin that can be put on particularities for different effects; his 'self-employed businessman' 'carrier' paternal grandfather was, per his son's marriage certificate, a 'truck driver'- rather a different way of looking at it. His maternal grandfather, an 'electrician', was, per Lauder-Frost's own account, a professional golfer and 'private golf teacher', but having studied electrical engineering, 'a lifetime passion'.

His mother being a 'tracer' (in a draftman's office) is assigned to her wartime work, with her REALLY being an 'artist' and 'linguist'. His father being a 'boilermaker' at the time of his marriage is neatly avoided in light of focusing on what appears to have been his genuine later role at Gilbey's.

The effect is one of enhancing his family's social status to bring it in line with the apparently genuine connection with Sir Harry Lauder (albeit he a self-made success of no great lineage) and is assiduous in noting- although failing to take into account that such ancestry is not at all uncommon, particularly in female lines- that "Through his paternal grandmother, Sarah Ann née Deans, from Great Shelford, Cambridgeshire, he is descended from the Plantagenets, the Earls of Stafford, the de la Pole Earls of Suffolk, the Lords Despenser of Goxhill, the Lords Poynings, the Lords Tibetot, the Lords Bardolf, the de Uffords, the Lords de Grey of Ruthyn, Sir Robert Drury of Hawstead, Speaker of the House of Commons, the Calthorpes, Argentynes, Wentworths of Nettlestead, Howards of Norfolk, Cottons of Cambridgeshire, Bacons of Erwarton, Stapletons of Bedale and Ingham, Alingtons of Horseheath, Killingworths of Balsham Place Manor etc., Sir William Coningsby, Knt., Kings Justice, Sir John Cheyne, K.B., Sir Richard Gardiner, Knt., Lord Mayor of London, etc. Through his mother's grandmother he has an equally interesting and distinguished ancestry" whilst glossing over the less glamorous and palatable realities of the more humdrum existence and employment of recent ancestors.&mdash; Unsigned, by: 78.145.190.144 / talk

Your data
I am a journalist researching and preparing an article on Lauder-Frost. I have seen your website and naturally had a good look at it. I have so far interviewed numerous people including him. You cite a newspaper birth notice as your authority for his birth name. However birth notices invariably only say "a son XXX was born to Mr & Mrs XXX". Lauder-Frost has scanned for me his birth certificate which gives his full name. He has also scanned his first passport for me which also gives his full name. So you are wrong with your assertion of his name at birth. He was born in a private fee-paying maternity hospital which happened to be owned by the Salvation Army. As In the USA the Salvation Army as a Christian body operated a number of hospitals in New South Wales, including two big ones in Sydney. What is your suggestion in highlighting this in the manner you have? I have tried to understand this but it defeats me. You assert that his family were humble but his father's Death Certificate, signed off by his father's brother, states he was a "Distillers General Manager". I understand this was the old English company, Gilbeys. His grandparents always seemed to be on ocean liners crossing the oceans and his maternal grandfather held three citizenships. Is this your idea of a normal humdrum family of that period? In 1932 the Hamilton Advertiser interviewed Sir Harry Lauder when he said "I am moving the family seat from Dunoon to Strathaven. I know this will be better for everyone." How do you interpret this in the light of your claim that it was not the family seat? Moreover the "Hamilton Advertiser" in 1963 carried a photo of Miss Greta Lauder on the golf course "with her nephew Gregory Lauder-Frost acting as her caddy". (I think this is wrong as I make them 2nd cousins.) According to Sam Swerling, whom I spoke to, he was always known at the Monday Club as GLF and that this term was coined by his friends as a nickname, not by him. I also looked at the court records for the 1992 episode where the conviction was for circa £8600 almost all of which was repaid before the matter reached court. The CPS said there were £110,000 worth of discrepancies in the ledgers which they felt they could attribute to him. However this was not admitted and Judge Mr Justice Marr-Johnson asked the CPS barrister if they had audited accounts to present to court. They replied they did not. He then said he would not be taking that claim into consideration and refused restitution. He also accepted Lauder-Frost's barrister's submission that all the missing funds admitted were used for paying legal fees in his divorce and custody case and not for personal use. As you know he served just under a year at Ford for this. As to your claim about Metapedia, there are countless people named Greg Frost on the internet including a cousin of GLF. I think your claims are fairly baseless regarding this. Moreover Metapedia is available just about everywhere but I discovered that Rational Wiki is blocvked in most municipal libraries. I am not a GLF apologist and I don't agree with his political views which is what I think you should be addressing, not trying to smear him as you are so obviously doing here. 137.221.158.242 (talk) 08:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank God someone has said something about this appalling page which, apart from anything else, seeks to categorise all descendants of Thomas Frost as criminals by applying, it would seem, a eugenics perspective. By the latter these probably hundreds of descendants should all be exterminated to prevent the faulty gene continuing. I have just spent some time examining the well-sourced family on Wikitree and many of the claims in this article are simply lies. I have removed obvious smears but doubtless the gutless who wrote this story will reinsert them. Lastly, it is common knowledge that the average Birth notice only has a child's first name and to whom he was born. It is therefore ludicrous to suggest that this is what was registered. It is plain from everything physically available to us that his surname was registered as Lauder-Frost.213.104.162.58 (talk) 09:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you not go away? It's rather obvious 137 and 213 are both Gregory Lauder-Frost as most the other IPs on this page. Get mental help. Brisson (talk) 10:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow, "a journalist" visits us! Or possibly two? What nefarious deeds of Lauder-Frost's are you investigating? "I am not a GLF apologist." You literally are a GLF apologist. Thanks for providing some amusement in this dark time. As I'm in a good mood, we'll hold off any calls for the extinction of Lauder-Frost's entire family if you provide some evidence for your claims. --Annanoon (talk) 15:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So the default for children is 'he/his?' Wikitree is not a reliable source - what is the Australian equivalent of the UK-centric FreeBMD? Anna Livia (talk) 20:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I see it is pointless addressing you bullies. This article is probably one of the most disgraceful personal attacks on an individual that I have ever read. This is the problem with The Left. They have no ethics. They never argue with the substance of what people believe but instead viciously attack the individual publicly to try and discredit them by smears. This site advertises itself as "Liberal" and "Rational". It is neither. Following on from the comments in the last two posts here, I myself have just checked my 137 and the 213 ISP codes and they are about 400 miles from each other. 137.221.158.242 (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What smears are in the article? Frost is demonstrably a convicted criminal, racist internet troll (who was fined for online racist abuse) and white nationalist.


 * https://www.thenational.scot/news/17798544.far-right-group-vp-gregory-lauder-frost-fined-racist-abuse/ 178.128.44.34 (talk) 17:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Where do I find the RW drinking game - as it seems applicable here? Anna Livia (talk) 20:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Fun:Drinking Game. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 20:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Is recourse to it appropriate here? Anna Livia (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)