User talk:82.2.75.224

You're quite prolific for someone without an account. Why not make a name for yourself? Wehpudicabok  [話]   [変]  10:24, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * My name is Dirk Steele. Just back from a few months ban. Ask user hamilton why he keeps banning my IP address. --82.2.75.224 (talk) 10:37, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The last block on User:Dirk Steele was made by User:PowderSmokeAndLeather and should have expired by now.
 * I can't see any IP in the currently blocked users list that matches your description. User:Dick Stool was blocked by Hamilton for three days in mid-August. That block should also have expired by now. Here are all blocks by Hamilton. Which one are you?--ZooGuard (talk) 11:59, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Go back to December/January and even before that to see how he has stalked me. Trouble is my IP address becomes blocked for months at a time. --82.2.75.224 (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You're Dirk Steele? Well that does explain some things.  It may interest you to learn that this post you made back in the day was what inspired me to write my essay.  Specifically the part where you suggest that criticism of Scientology is akin to antisemitism, which I found quite disingenuous.   Wehpudicabok   [話]   [変]  06:12, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Why disingenuous? Antisemitism, it seems to me, is the result of human beings instinctual 'in-group' tendencies to create scapegoat 'outgroups' which are then 'punished' unfairly in order to build a social 'cohesion'. But if you explain what you think I meant by the new inquisition piece then I will try and answer. On this site, Thomas Szasz, a Jewish atheist, has been vilified for his views. 82.2.75.224 (talk) 09:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You may want to read some Szasz. I quote from his magnificent book 'The Manufacture of Madness'. "Because the anti-semite fights evil, his goodness and the goodness of the society he is fighting for cannot be questioned. This makes it possible for him to use the most ignoble methods, which will be justified by the ends he seeks". Of course Szasz was heavily influenced by Sartre and quotes from 'Anti-Semite and Jew'.."Anti-Semitism is not merely the joy of hating; it brings positive pleasures too. By treating the Jew as an inferior and pernicious being, I affirm at the same time that I belong to the elite." And I think the same principles occur on this site against certain ideas and certain individuals. 82.2.75.224 (talk) 10:04, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thomas Szasz is vilified because he was a mental illness denialist crackpot, not because of whatever his religious views were.  10:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * See. This is what I have to contend with. Complete ignoramouses... So what book of his have you read? None. Thomas Szasz was a genius ahead of his time. I bet you cannot even explain what his main theory is can you? Go ahead.. I dare you to look even more stupid than you are. (If that is actually possible.). Maybe you could start by explaining to us - using scientific terms what the difference is between mental health and physical health? 82.2.75.224 (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Firstly try to understand the language that you use. A 'denialist' is in secular terms the same as the theological 'heretic'. Here you demonstrate your total mythological belief system that is not backed up with scientific or rational views. You wanna argue that too? Come on.... I will wipe the floor with your logic here. 82.2.75.224 (talk) 15:48, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I will freely admit that I know very little about Szasz's work. What I do know is that criticizing a man's work is not antisemitism just because the man happens to be Jewish. And criticizing the beliefs of a religion is not the same as discriminating against an ethnic group, which was the point of my essay. Szasz may or may not be right about psychiatry; I don't know. But if he's wrong, it doesn't make us antisemitic to say so. Wehpudicabok  [話]   [変]  19:24, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. Why do you think I do not? I was asking you why you thought I was being disingenuous? 82.2.75.224 (talk) 08:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't understand you at all from your comment. Can you elucidate further? Ta. 82.2.75.224 (talk) 19:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * One question. Can I convert and become a Jew? Or is that only the province of a heathen to become say a christian? Or is it an accident of my birth that I can never be Jewish? Like I can never be American or Italian? (enter the words 'Lame Duck'. Ha! ) 82.2.75.224 (talk) 19:52, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * wp:Conversion to Judaism.--ZooGuard (talk) 20:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * So being a jew is not an ethnic consideration. The jews are not a race. It is no different to me.. a white boy.. being a hindu, buddhist, muslim or scientologist. It is only a matter of what beliefs I wish to adopt. Yes? Or have I got this wrong? So hating jews is no different to me hating Nazi or Stalinist beliefs. So the Nazi persecution of jews was no different from the USA and McCarthy persecution of communists. Is that your position? 82.2.75.224 (talk) 22:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * words words words--MikallakiM 23:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Don't be dense. Just because people can convert to Judaism even if they're completely non-Jewish didn't preclude other people, such as the Nazis, from discriminating against them as if they were a race.  Hence the Nuremburg Laws discriminating against people for being half or quarter Jews, despite the fact that that's about as meaningful as claiming someone is "one quarter Catholic" or "one quarter Muslim."  So yes, persecuting Jews can be racist.   23:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You contradict yourself here! You say on one hand the stupid Nazi boys discriminated against the Jews as if they were a race and their ideas on this were actually meaningless... then you say persecuting Jews is racist. I am confused with your position! It is akin to saying discriminating against scientologists as if they are a race is meaningless but persecuting scientologists can be racist. Not sure I follow your logic. 82.2.75.224 (talk) 08:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Jewishness is a race and Judaism is a religion. They are different but related things. You can convert to Judaism, but you cannot convert to Jewishness. The Nazis persecuted people based primarily on Jewishness, which is why they taught people to identify supposedly Jewish facial features so that Jews could not simply pretend to be Christians. Thus, they were racist.

I can understand the confusion over Judaism; it's what coined the phrase "ethnoreligious identity," a phrase everyone agrees we need and yet nobody quite understands. (Sort of like "wave-particle duality".) But surely you must see that there is a difference between genocide and criticism of a man's work! Surely you see that there is nothing whatsoever in common between an anti-Semite and someone who merely criticizes the work of one particular Jew. Wehpudicabok  [話]   [変]  08:53, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah. Ethnoreligious identity. Thanks for the explanation. Of course I see there is nothing in common etc. I don't understand why you think that. I only asked why you thought I was being disingeneous. Because I think we have agreement... 82.2.75.224 (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * My original complaint was that I was continually being banned for expressing my view that psychiatry is a pseudoscience akin to astrology or homeopathy. I think Szasz was a genius. Because scientology also has this view, I was continually being attacked for being a scientologist. I am not. I am atheist, and believe in the scientific method a la Popper, (but with leanings towards Buddhist and Taoist religions.) 82.2.75.224 (talk) 09:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)