User talk:Paravant/Archive3

Whom may post
"You don't get to decide whom may post on your..." It should be "who may post" - "you don't get to decide" - decide what? Decide who (subject) may post (verb.) I assume this message is welcome but if not: you don't get to decide who may post on your talk page :) Sarah (HH)
 * I know the differences, it just amuses me to use whom. That and there's just so few times to really use it, such a shame for a word to not get used that often. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 06:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha! I let the first dozen go but 13's my limit. Good to know. Sarah (HH) 07:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I Choose You, Paravant!
I'm nominatin' ya fer Mod thie election.  You mean to tell me the tamales were spiked?!  Say hi! Look here! Amen! 06:08, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Isn't it a day too soon, though? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 06:09, 1 November 42015 AQD (UTC)
 * I can't imagine people haven't already been thinking up choices. Also there are actual times i should have put up on the notice, but forgot to do so, not that I think starting hours for the nominations are in particular relevant. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 06:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Request
Hey, I see you archived the Saloon Bar a few days ago. Thank you for this. Can you do me a counter-intuitive favor, though, please, and refrain from archiving the Saloon Bar for a few days. I have a suspicion that Pibot not mopping up the Saloon Bar is related to an error in the code for how it was setup, and to prove whether or not my fixes work, I need a few days for Pibot's program to catch up to its tasks. This means that any interference in the process throws off my trying to figure out Pibot. This will expire in one week, so if the SB is filled to the brim by then, ignore this message. Thank you for your cooperation and have a good day/night. Gooniepunk (talk) 08:48, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem! --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 09:37, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Please help
I know you are likely at work, but Avenger is going crazy on the Israel page. He keeps inserting all kinds of bullshit, and I'm not going to spend all night giving him reasons for reverting him. He knows full well the majority does not share the perspective he wants to throw in, and we cannot have a vote on this stuff every goddam day. or a coop case. Really, until you do something in a mod capacity this is never going to end.---Mona- (talk) 23:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Mona I think you should first discuss with me what exactly your problems with my edits are. Which statement of fact do you doubt or want a source for? What exactly is your problem? And why can't you use talk:Israel to do that? I have no intention of edit warring (in fact I would much rather see the Cowgirls lose), but you seem intent on digging your heels in. I regret this sad development as it hurts the wiki and our mission. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As AgingHippie I believe it was did to you last July, and as Paravant, Chris, 142 and I have done as well since then, we have protected the pages from you for this bullshit. But now that you again have a mop we cannot do that. Paravant will have to do something if anything is to be done.---Mona- (talk) 00:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Mona, seriously, what are you on about? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * She needs her patron Paravant to act as muscle to get all her pro-Hamas propaganda through.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 06:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The most ridiculous thing is what the fight was all about... Just have a look at the fossil record... Bizarre... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 15:46, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * my userpage is not for your discussions of other users. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 16:46, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

You've been nominated!
Over here. (Not that that wasn't obvious.) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 03:22, 2 November 42015 AQD (UTC)
 * Also can you capitalise the intercom message properly? 'Moderator Election Notice' or 'Moderator election notice'. If you do that you will have my axe! Tielec01 (talk) 04:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Then I'll just need a bowman and two guys with swords :v --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:50, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Fuck the bowman; that guy shat me to tears. Tielec01 (talk) 04:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well you did work with an elf. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Delete at a Mod level?
There's not much point in deleting this if our hundreds and hundreds of sysops can still see it -- can you salt the earth at a more severe level? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:06, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This dox is old news and all over the net, no point in a mod-level revdel, when the whole net knows, that Mkiemikev's name is [redacted].--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Somehow I don't think "all over the net"/"the whole net" mean what you think they mean. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 18:27, 2 November 42015 AQD (UTC)
 * O rly? Why not?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:47, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether its available all over is irrelevant. His parents and telling us theyve been contacted is even less ok.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 18:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW I couldn't give a flying toss. But apply your policies as you see fit. After all the website owner paid for the domain and can promote his personal opinions on the matter. 116.255.78.133 (talk) 18:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't actually know how else to salt it. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:06, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Why do you keep reverting my edit?
http://www.newsweek.com/larry-lessig-drops-out-presidential-campaign-389691 Lawrence Lessig belongs in the Dropped Out category.Blitz (Complaints Box) 19:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. First you put him in the wrong area so I reverted it to give you a chance to fix it yourself, and then again because your moving it broke something and I wanted to see what had broken it while i moved it myself. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:30, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I had just noticed I'd broken it and was in the process of fixing it when you reverted me.Blitz (Complaints Box) 19:32, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So was I when AH did the same.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Ninja
Can I has? I wanna try and categorize everyone in the Discovery Institute, and bot'd be nice. 03:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you do the same for User:Carpetbot? Carpetsmoker (talk) 04:23, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Question that's been bugging me...
Is the name a play on the French word "auparavant"? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 02:29, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I took it from Elder Scrolls, actually, in a reference to the fact I have a big ego ("First", as my signature says) and my status as a nerd. My understanding is that they got it from auparavant and it's older form of paravant, however. I'm not nearly as good at linguistic things to have made a play on word :P . --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 02:35, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

File:RW Community.png
So you're really not helping refute my opinion that you're abusing the sysop tools to spite me at every turn.&mdash;Ryulong (talk) 05:20, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you really just call this community "toxic" based on those comments? Carpetsmoker (talk) 05:22, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Because it's all at my expense.&mdash;Ryulong (talk) 05:22, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In Dutch we have a saying, that someone can "have long toes", meaning that a person has such long toes that it's difficult not to step on them (meaning to offend someone, like in English). Your toes aren't just long, I'm pretty sure you have more than 10 toes...
 * As I already said on the other talk page, lighten up; after all, it's just some random wanker on this stupid internets thing... We're allotted with such a short time on this planet, is this truly how you want to spend your time? Being angry about this? Or are there more important things in life? Here's some music to help you start relaxing Carpetsmoker (talk) 05:54, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Modlocking pages isn't vindictive? Ok.—Ryulong (talk) 23:16, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am a very vindictive person, it is a major flaw in my personality, but I would never be so brazenly crass as to abuse powers to go about getting revenge. So no, those are not me going against you in some anger about Bronys. That is me deciding I am tired of your shit and desire to own the Gamergate page and any others you decide to imprint yourself on. The brony nonsense was just what made me tip from passive dislike of you to active dislike because you decided to openly turn a RW article about a show into a hitpiece on its fandom because of a dislike of some of the fans.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 23:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Only one of those concerned Gamergate, though. And I'd welcome criticism of Gamergate but no one can say anything except complain about how long it is or the bad habit I have of passive writing or whatever you want to call it. I don't really see how I'm presently exerting ownership of the page. The last major argument was over the intro paragraphs 3 weeks ago because AgingHippie hates my writing style.—Ryulong (talk) 02:29, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Do I have a vote in these mod-elections?
See title. If I do, where's the page? Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 18:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You should so long as you meet the minimum entry requirements of 3 months + 75 edits. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:07, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll miss my vote by a few days. I would have voted for you, believe it or not. :-) Sorte Slyngel (talk) 19:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm also just shy, but if we can vote for 4 I would have also included Paravant.---Mona- (talk) 19:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * voting runs for a week.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 22:47, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * @Mona: you have one vote apiece, but you rank candidates in order of preference and surplus votes go to next picks, basically. Walker Walker Walker 22:49, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As I was „created“ on August 29. (something that would surprise my parents to be sure :-) I still won't have the vote unless the conditions are 3 months or 75+ edits. As I'm fairly sure both are required, I still can't vote - not that it would make a difference. But Mona and I surprisingly enough have a candidate in common. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 17:40, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Could you point it out to BoN that talk pages are community property
There was quite a hullabaloo about Avengers talk page way back, where it was clearly stated that user talk pages belong to the community. The BoN is now playing the game of hiding the parts of his talk page which don't agree with him. Would you be so kind as to point that out to him? CheersSorte Slyngel (talk) 16:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's funny you think you know the policy better than me. It's also funny you think you know anything about me. Cheerio. ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 16:41, 8 November 42015 AQD (UTC)
 * This was one thing that was a clear result. As for you your edits speak for themselves. Cheerio Sorte Slyngel (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd assume they do speak for themselves, but perhaps you're not very good at hearing them. ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 16:46, 8 November 42015 AQD (UTC)
 * The question on whether they can remove your comment comes down to "is it trolling". -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 16:56, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'd have removed much of Avenger's shit stains on my page. Do we generally defer to the User's assessment of what constitutes trolling?---Mona- (talk) 16:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. It is always better to be conservative in this regard.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 17:00, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "Yes and no." How helpful; such guidance! Anyhoo, I'm not claiming every Avenger comment on my page = trolling, but some definitely do.---Mona- (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Black and White letter of the law rule following may simplify things to a great degree but they aren't how we do things here, in particular since the definition of trolling varies from one person to another. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 17:13, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

In this case it was a continuation of another conversation. Calling it trolling really stretches the limit. So the BoN is thin skinned. So what? Worse, much worse has been seen. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would consider the comment largely inappropriate and intended solely to get a rise out of the notabon, so... stop it. We don't need this devolving even more into a shitsite where people yell about mental inferiors and head sheeple. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 17:20, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm calm and you still have my endorsement, whether you want it or not. :-) Sorte Slyngel (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I had closed the tab, but it occurred to me, and I couldn't resist telling you, that as far as my endorsements go, you're in the illustrious company of ScepticWombat, Arisboch and Aging Hippie. I don't know how that makes you feel. :-) In any case, you seem to be a thoughtful sort of fellow. Just divide rain and sunshine evenly. You've seem to have striven to do so, not always to my liking, but we're all faulty beings. Cheers and good luck in the elections Sorte Slyngel (talk) 18:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Consistent modding
So. AgingHippie declares he "will not allow" certain editing he doesn't like. He reverts multiple times against several other users on that "basis." Then, he tells one of those -- 142BoN -- to "go fuck himself," when 142 respectfull asks him to take it to talk page before making major changes to established articles. Based on many of your other mod actions, I'd think we'd see something from you on this behavior.---Mona- (talk) 19:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would suggest barking up Gerard's tree -- he doesn't like me very much. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 20:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You've inadvertently hit on a significant problem. This shouldn't be controlled by who "likes" you, or who doesn't. ---Mona- (talk) 20:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But there it is. Why would you expect a community to change the way it has generally run? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Because she says so. It's a recurring theme. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Mona really has been sort of disruptive in her tenure here... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Pot, kettle. CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 21:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You... you.. honestly are you just stupid or are you that ignorant to the hypocrisy in the things you say? -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 21:35, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Shit-stirrer is synonymous with troll. Just saying. CamelCasePragmatist (talk) 21:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It isn't quite clear, but at whom is the hypocrisy remark aimed? There are more possibilities than one. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:19, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Character
Paravant, here's the thing. Rational Wiki is a teeny pond in the grand scheme of things. But that actually makes it look worse for those who flagrantly will not be consistent in their application of standards and rules to all human beings. AgingHippie clearly revels in his knowledge that neither you nor anyone else is going to seriously impede his ability to behave as he pleases. In all likelihood, you have political reasons for both not acting and for remaining silent about my direct request for even-handed moderating.

You, and AgingHippie, apparently both consider yourselves progressives. But how do you treat individual human beings in your daily interactions, many of which happen here? If AH were just some troll, his disrespect and even abusive behavior would be of no consequence. As it is, however, both you and he are very loudly telling the public that AH's loathing of me merely for fighting for the majority rights on a controversial topic he dislikes, you're both saying he is free to indulge that loathing in almost any manner he chooses. He can bait me, he may revert for the most outrageous reason, e.g., he "won't allow" certain edits. AgingHippie may delete my comments as "trolling." He can freely advise a respected user like 142BoN to "go fuck yourself." Because he's who he is, he can delete the talk record of articles, parts directly pertaining to material that is (or was) in the article itself.

Paravant, who else at this site could freely do all of those things with no significant opposition, certainly none from you?

It does raise the question, in my mind, what you'd do in a serious, real-world situation where your principles were in conflict with some advantage or privilege you held? Also, I wonder if AgingHippie treats all he disagrees with, whose presence he doesn't care for, with utter contempt and disrespect in face-to-face encounters? I shall close with some lyrics AgingHippie will recognize, tho they are likely before your time:

And especially people who care about strangers

Who care about evil and social injustice

Do you only care about the bleeding crowd? ---Mona- (talk) 00:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I had to Google those lyrics. My hatred of Hair and the empty-headed approach it takes to portraying 1960s radicalism runs deep and strong. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 02:49, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't have any particular affection for Hair -- never saw either the play or film version. But that song made the top 40 so was on the radio, and it has always resonated with me.---Mona- (talk) 03:30, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * „Progressive“ tends to have the meaning the person saying it intends to. „Fascism“ is a similar word. People can be progressive without sharing a stall with Mona. I'd be interested to know, just what being progressive entails as defined by her. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-ﬁghting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 20:29, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I tend to avoid misused terms like "fascist." When I do employ it, I mean it, and intend to communicate something with a definitionj accepted by (a respectable cohort of) political scientists. For example, Franco was a "clerical fascist." Anytime I use a permutation of fascist, one should mentally add a "(sic)" after it.---Mona- (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Very good. But „fascism“ was just an afterthought. „Progressive“ is the unclear word I meant. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 21:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to quote the Simpsons as I remember it: „Pro-active is one of the words you use when you don't know what to say, isn't it? Oh, I'm so fired, ain't I!“ :-) Sorte Slyngel (talk) 21:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, there are several unclear words we throw around here... Progressive is one of them. As is Zionist (my own definition is: In favor of a Jewish state in the historical Jewish homeland in the Levant). And of course some terms are only ever applied to other people... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Brxbrx as sysop?
He's just back after a well-deserved year-long block block. I don't mean to interfere with your decision to re-sysop them, but don't you think re-sysopping them just days after the block expired, with no real useful contributions on their part, is a bit too hasty? Gooniepunk (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * He mentioned he wanted to do some userspace cleanup and I figured oh why not, if he decides to be a fool it'll be eay enough to take it back. If you wanna take it away, I won't contest, it was a bit soon after a major block. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 23:59, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

You might be interested
In this huffpost piece and this blog post on who bikes and who doesn't and who is represented in "bike advocacy" and how this shapes policy... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:08, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't know you were a rider. Do you live in a place with decent bike culture? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 04:46, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

What did I do
this time? --Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 19:56, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Avenger is being punished, He can sit out for 2 weeks for his statements-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I see, can I have my mop back (on the condition, that I won't remove his block?)?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 20:03, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Mizzou
Look at Memeorandum. This has been major national news for days now.---Mona- (talk) 23:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It is important because the heart of it is institutionalized racism. A university that, for example, refused to label swastika vandalism as anything more than "graffiti." To me, it is a very missional thing to cover on RationalWiki. Gooniepunk (talk) 04:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * My objection was it didn't say any of that, all it said was two kids got arrested for posting shit online, which without any evidence of context means nothing. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

New messages(3)
In your upgrade to me I see you have "New messages(3)" in the top navigation. What is that? I always have "No new messages", even when someone edit my talkpage (I get a big warning on all screens, but still "No new messages")? Carpetsmoker (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Every so often something might pop it up, those were from a thread Blue made on her liquidthreads i'd replied too. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 21:28, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, it's one of those LiquidThread things that almost no one uses these days. Carpetsmoker (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm impressed
It can be risky to prohibit people from threatening and hating on pedophiles -- they are the one group it still safe to vent any amount of bile and filth at. The guy says he's not active on that desire. There shouldn't be any more to say about it. As long as he's not promoting his orientation as good, or arguing that it's acceptable to act upon, there's no reason to make him an object of hatred. In my view, you done good, and were even brave.---Mona- (talk) 04:30, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly conflicted. I'm a firm supporter of free speech for everyone, even hateful and uninformed people. And while Matthias' suicidal encouragement was very dickish, and probably deserving of a blocking, Burton's simple misinformation and douchiness was less-so. Then again I'm not really familiar with your guidelines and regulations. Just my two cents. - Shouniaisha (talk) 04:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Defending the person who said you deserved to be kicked to death is admirable in its intention but not something you should be in the habit of. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * @Mona, I have absolutely zero sympathy for actual child rapists, but somebody who hasn't acted on that attraction is not a child rapist by definition (unless we go biblical and declare even looking with lust is sex) and thus telling them that they deserve to be arrested, beaten up and murdered is completely out of line, let alone the underlying principle that "justice" should be meted out onto people who have committed no crimes just sets a bad precedent in general. Besides, i'm much in favor of Society, while maintaining a firm "it still isn't ok" stance, softening on the "if you are a pedophile you are already a child rapist and should die" line because it clearly isn't actually accomplishing anything but driving pedophiles to desperation and into actual crimes, or suicide. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. I've been close to several victims and it causes extraordinary deep and lasting damage. As I said at that section before it was (properly) deleted, the fact that the urge exists in some people is a human tragedy, for their victims, but also for the person having this part of themselves that, if they act upon it, must be condemned as wholly vile. This is among the reasons I barf when creationists say God made a perfect creation; if some intelligence made a percentage of humans with this strong desire, that god is a fucking monster.---Mona- (talk) 05:18, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Quick question
Out o' curiosity, do you have something in the mod toolbox that allows you to see where an account was created from? Just wondering as I noticed the relatively quick attribution to Fat Aardvark there (not defending the massive troll; just would rather avoid a false positive). ℕoir LeSable (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The comment and timing make attribution a safe bet. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 22:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment? Oh wait nevermind. Apparently the edit on your userpage isn't showing up on the "Recent Changes" page (possibly as a side effect of banhammerage) so I completely missed it. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 22:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Even in the off chance that it's wrong, we're not losing anything by banning Fat Aardvark. Carpetsmoker (talk) 22:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not like he hasn't tried it before. For a self proclaimed comedian he isn't very subtle, smart, or funny.  -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 22:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, it wasn't so much that (I have no issue with banning FA), but rather banning (who appeared to be) a user who just happened to sign up with a name similar to Paravant's. But like I mentioned, the vandal edit on Paravant's page and its revert didn't show up on Special:RecentChanges, so by going straight from "Creation" to "Block" within the span of one minute it gave the appearance of a preemptive ban. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 22:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, if I hadn't seen it before I would be right there with ya... -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * impersonation is actually a blockable offense, which having a username one letter off is.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 00:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear it was me that added him to the Fact sheet list (but not to the election booth). I have a feeling that's not relevant though. SolPyre (talk) 22:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

For you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
 * Much like our good friends avenger and co, not every reference to something common in fallacies is a fallacy. dn't fall into that trap-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 06:35, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of that - but saying that a cartoon showing terrorists as rats AMONG a population of immigarants is the same as a Nazi cartoon showing IMMIGRANTS AS RATS is clearly bunk - rats might be the common link, but the comparison is BS.--Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 20:14, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * not your wigo-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You do not own the wigo, Paravant. Acei9 20:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * thank you for trying ace but if you don't actually know the events butt out. Let's change my comment: you disliking. WIGO is not a reason to edit it-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the reasoning was made fairly clear and it had nothing to do with not liking it. A the Gaul detailed his reasons above. Stop being so obtuse. Acei9 20:32, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * go whine to the one who posted the WIGO.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 21:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I'm talking to idiot who blocks someone for a minor editorial disagreement for 9 hours. Referring to them as problem users. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you 12? Acei9 23:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I just want to be King of RW. This is just the start of my rise to power, it starts with temporary "stop being an idiot" blocks which I then reop the user afterwards and you know it just turns to permabans and fighting over rights strippings of trash users who I must gate keeper out of the wiki.. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 23:26, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Good for you, Betty Sue. Enjoy. Acei9 23:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry ace i'll make sure you are well taken care of in a villa full with alcohol. The Paravant regime will be benevolent and a great era for those I like, all because I had the stones to issue a "stop being dumb, give you time to do something else/sleep/get sober" block on a otherwise good user. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 23:32, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ace is currently embracing a sober lifestyle so no thanks. Acei9 23:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't even know you anymore. I'll find your bribe spots eventually Ace, you'd be useful in the new era of RW. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 23:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Your request for a filter
I took a look and saw that it was only one particular user who was causing the problem, and that user has since been blocked. I can try to make a filter for what they were doing, but there's a good chance I'd want to test it out for a while due to the possibility of false positives with the variables I'd need to add. That being said, since the problem seems to have been gotten rid of, do you still want an edit filter for it? Gooniepunk (talk) 09:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC) It's been an ongoing problem since fat ardvarck was blocked and vis getting oldv so sure-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 13:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Sysop?
Hi there, I've been enjoying editing on RW, and I'd like to enquire as to what one needs to do to become a sysop? I'd be perfectly willing to undergo a "trial period", and also to run things by other sysops before making any rash decisions, that way any drama could hopefully be averted. Much thanks. Jon91919 (talk) 13:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Election closed
Just switched off the election, someone else (e.g. you) will need to edit the wiki pages appropriately. I'll get the votes to AgingHippie in an hour or two (kid -> school at this moment) - David Gerard (talk) 08:38, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

What's with the itchy trigger finger?
I mean dishing out a 3.6-day block to and preventing anyone but mods to edit Forum:Unpleasant experience of rational wiki seems rather... excessive, don't you think`? While calling a thread whose last edit was just over 2 months ago "long dead" is only a slight exaggeration, dishing out a 3.6-day block to someone for calling the wahmbulance and reverting their edits without even bothering to add something to their talk page (not even an "unwelcome") seems a bit kangaroo court'ish; or am I missing some context here? ScepticWombat (talk) 17:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have little patience for many things when I wake up in the morning, which implies I likely shouldn't visit RW during that period. Esp. with the IP likely to reflare up. And that conversation was over, and was already pointless when it was started. If our new whiner has a reason to dslike the website, they can make their own place to do it, not co-opt an already exciting finished topic.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 17:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hot Dog!
Yeah! Wahoo! Yipee! Yahoo! Ha! Hallelujah! Hurrah! Bravo! Whoopee! Yes! Woot! Hooray! Yay! 𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈 (talk) 19:31, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Work for the newly demoted
Bad luck mate, maybe next year you will manage to shake the job. In the meantime can you move this page to here? It seems to have some sort of protection on it, otherwise I would do it myself. Not sure what we are expected to do with the current content of the results page - maybe merge it into the archive of the 2013 election? Tielec01 (talk) 03:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm off a pc til 2ish so I would caask somebody else :P -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Cheers big ears; I'm going to forgive you on one of your future transgressions as thanks. Tielec01 (talk) 00:38, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey
You're not mad at me, right? 08:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * what? No. I just didn't see anything good coming out of that thread-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 14:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

wut?
Since when can't people keep stuff in their userspace? That other people don't consider this worthwhile is a terrible reason to delete a page in my userspace. I only link to it in a single place (my userpage), and would like to either convert it to an essay, or do some more research and "try again" by either merging it somewhere or starting the article again (depending on what I can find about it).

At any rate, I see no reason to delete it from my userspace. It's not libellous or otherwise troublesome content. Carpetsmoker (talk) 08:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We voted to delete it. You are the only one to vote keep. Userspace is a castle, but not one so inviolable that you can just sequester things the wiki says no to in it without problem. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 08:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The wiki "said no" because it's an obscure neologism, which is fair enough. I still think it's useful, and would maybe want to write an essay on it one day or convert it to someone most people would likely want to keep (unless that is also not allowed?). Now, if it would be some anti-feminist hitpiece or have groundless accusations against a person, or whatever, I would agree with you; but this is not the case. No one is harmed by me having the page in my userspace, and I am helped. I don't see the problem. Carpetsmoker (talk) 08:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The wiki said it didn't want the article, you trying to justify ignoring that vote isn't going to work - the AFD vote was for deletion, not userspace. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 08:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I could trivially "work around this" by adding it to User:Carpetsmoker/TODO, possibly by rewriting it "in my words". Or am I now completely barred from ever talking about the Chinese robber fallacy at all on this wiki? Carpetsmoker (talk) 08:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * My objection is you, because you personally liked the article, subverted a community vote. Rewriting it later with your own version and not just keeping the thing nobody wanted satisfies my problem with what you did. Also, yes, you are barred from a competent rewrite of it :P -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 08:42, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I don't agree that I "subverted a community vote", as you put it. The vote was on the question "should we keep this article in mainspace?" Having an article in mainspace means a number of things: it shows up in categeories, Special:Random, navbars, and implies that "the community" at least roughly agrees with the content. Having a page in userspace does not have all of that, so it's different. This is why we allow people to put stuff in userspace that most people here probably don't agree with (within reason, of course) such as User:Aneris/SJWMedia. Carpetsmoker (talk) 08:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The vote was "should we keep the article", mainspace had nothing to do with it. Nobody else wanted to vote keep, it was 6-1. That isn't "well I want it kept so there" material.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 08:53, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not "I want it kept so there", it's "let's see if I can reshape this to something people think worth keeping, and this is a starting point". It's not different from other "TODO" things on my list... At any rate, it doesn't matter that much for my purpose as I can still see the history, I was (and still am) rather surprised that anyone would object to this, so lets "agree to disagree" and move on. Carpetsmoker (talk) 08:59, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Paravant, I love you like a brother from another mother, but seriously, there's nothing troublesome about the article. Let him keep it in user space, not link to it, and maybe do something worthwhile with it one day. Fuckin' Ryulong kept a list of a thousand different Pokeymen or some such infantile shit in his userspace for like a fucking year. Not worth fighting about. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 09:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * please review the user guide: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Community_Standards#User_pages - you cannot delete this from his user page. Acei9 09:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Userspace is a castle, but not one so inviolable that you can just sequester things the wiki says no to in it without problem. - Actually it is. I have several deleted articles in my user space, as do others and it has never been a problem. Please familiarise yourself with the community standards. Acei9 09:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh fuck off Ace. I'd actually forgotten all about this and whatever other nonsense I was doing at 2 am last night until you showed up to add nothing to it. -- "Paravant"  Talk & Contribs 14:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope you had a look at the community standards. It should clear it all up for you. Also, a side note, you have absolutely authority to 'bar' users from editing articles. Acei9 17:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you still talking about things I have no memory of doing? Because it isn't accomplishing anything. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 17:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Here is a quick recap - you ignored the community standards by deleting an article in someones user space then followed it up by stating, without any authority to do so, that the user was barred from editing said article in future. If you don't remember doing these things I would take a read from the top of this section downwards - it is all plainly written here. I hope this settles the matter. Acei9 19:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's nice deary. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Suddenly I can much more readily imagine why moderators became a thing. Walker Walker Walker 20:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If I wanted advice on how to be one, I really wouldn't go asking Ace however. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I was a good moderator up until I decided I didn't want to be one anymore. Acei9 20:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, on second thought, I'mma just go, like, work on something pointless now instead. Walker Walker Walker 20:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I mean everything is pointless when you get down to it man. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Is this like that fucking funpage on Nihilism? Walker Walker Walker 22:49, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

What the in the fuck is this shit?
"pulling rank"? You do not just arbitrarily delete comments and you have no rank to pull. Acei9 04:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thats nice deary. Piss off.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, those comments weren't deleted, they were relocated to a different location ala robrail. But please, keep on trying to intersect into events you clearly have no understanding because you did no research beyond "see thing don't care reason roar anger".-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:56, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * it doesn't really matter, there was no reason for any action on the section you intersected yourself into. Acei9 05:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hm? are you saying something?-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * perhaps you could stop being a jackass and taking arbitrary action and violating community standards? Acei9 05:03, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you saying something? I can't hear to well over the jack booted fascism i am perpetually committing. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you understand and are aware that your actions are completely outside your remit. Hopefully we won't need to have this discussion again. Acei9 05:06, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I could copy paste but that seems lazy. Also. I quake in my boots that Ace might talk to me again. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * no need to be frightened, just obey the community standards, stop arbitrarily deleting things that don't need deleting and don't pretend you have any authority to bar users from editing articles. Acei9 05:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * To the best of my ability dad.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Please stop editing people's user spaces
Editing people's user space is a violation of the community standards.
 * http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:HeartOfGold/The_pernicious_liberal_swarm&diff=next&oldid=337808
 * Acei9 05:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The picture was removed and it would leave the userspace article looking a little shoddy if it hadn't been removed. I'm sure HoG wouldn't mind such minor cleanup to keep the thing tidy. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * irrelevant, editing user space is a violation of the community standards. Acei9 05:31, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * See, if I can't be the sole arbiter if something is acceptable, neither can you, Ace. It works both ways on that sort of thing. In my opinion, removing a use of a deleted image is covered under the community standards sanctioned "fix minor spelling errors" principle. I really don't care if you disagree. - "Paravant"  Talk & Contribs 05:33, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going to pre-empt whatever you respond with with a "did you say something deary?"-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:36, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

You have the poweeer!
Paravant; please pull yourself together and get back in here. I fear for the stability of RW in your absence. I am not joking. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 05:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Not to toot my own horn but I can do a rather good Skeletor at times. As for my holding the wiki together, idk man, without Avenger and Arisboch stirring the pot constantly to promote Israel and Zionism it just seems so much calmer and more "what we fought for". Maybe I can go back to my simple farm and hide for the next year.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:49, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ^. Fixing the IP shite was def necessary. Thanks.  03:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I've been absent
So I want to congratulate you having been voted as a moderator. We'll never see eye-to-eye, or at least not always, but you can be reasonable, and I had a bit of fun today writing about something else than Middle East problems. If I can manage to stay away from that topic, and write a bit about maths and languages, I don't think we have to lock horns. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 02:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back, I suppose...
I considered delaying the coop thing on your account, as I didn't want to pull you out of your sabbatical prematurely. I'm sorry bro :-( Carpetsmoker (talk) 16:38, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Eh, I started to look again yesterday. :P -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 16:48, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, "looking" is not the same as "editing" ;-) Just wish your edits could have been on something else rather than more fighting. Carpetsmoker (talk) 16:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I do have to at some point write up about what the Nazi plan for Europe as a whole was, but im lazy. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 16:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

The issue will start up again if we keep doing nothing
Then why don't you and the other moderators fucking MODERATE things instead of allowing users to generate 90k characters of bullshit? Why did nobody with the title of Moderator not step in to do something useful instead of watching the situation deteriorate? And why the hell is a moderator's talk page locked so that only sysops can edit it? Do you not give a shit about being reachable by newer members of the community? Do your job, son. Do your job. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That I agree with. The moderators were MIA on this one. I sense that Paravant felt he should semi-recuse himself, but that was just untenable.---Mona- (talk) 19:45, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I was on leave for a week and didn't want just anybody to bother me, and haven't goten around to unlocking it yet. And nobody did anything because I was driving a car and thus unable to intervene to try and refocus the discussion. I don't knwo why the others aren't. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:45, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Normal Human
I'll wait for your advice as to how a normal adult human would deal with this. Please assist! Hipocrite (talk) 20:07, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

One vote in an election
Arrow's impossibility theorem makes your voting system extra garbage. Does my "do nothing" mean that if "do nothing" gets 10 votes, and "commend Ryulong" gets 11 votes and "ban Ryulong" gets 12 votes we ban him? Extra garbage. Hipocrite (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That is exactly how RW voting works. Nutty survived a vote on the basis of one vote once.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That's dumb as shit. I'm removing categories to prevent your shit poll from reaching your preordained conclusion. Hipocrite (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Shut up.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:45, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * When you asked me to behave like a normal adult human, are you modeling that right now? Hipocrite (talk) 20:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am being reasonable - dealing with somebody trying to make thing harder for my job as moderator. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:48, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's ok, we all make mistakes. What's important is that we apologize and own up to them. Hipocrite (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:52, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I know she's your girl and you hate me
But please have Mona stop editing my comments out of spite. Hipocrite (talk) 20:57, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not so crass as to abuse my position because of a dislike of you.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 20:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, lets try another one. Please remove the 2 votes by carpetsmoker per your statment to me about getting one vote. Thanks! Hipocrite (talk) 21:00, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

So
This is no longer in effect? Hipocrite (talk) 15:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't stop you from starting it, so no, I kept my promise there. But it ended exactly as I knew it would when I tried to get you to stop, so there you go. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 15:17, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If I were Carpetsmoker/Mona, I'd desysop you and block you for 2 months with IP block on for being a pedant - you should probably tell them that kind of behavior is unacceptable, at some point. Hipocrite (talk) 15:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That's just nonsense and you know it. Carpetsmoker (talk) 15:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, my unfriend, it's not. That's exactly what you did. That you know you were RIGHT when you did it is the problem here. Hipocrite (talk) 15:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * (ec) Isn't a discussion on this topic useful? IMHO, an editor who goes around calling people "garbage", "useless", "gators", "go fuck yourselves", "cunt" (disputed), etc. is something that should not be tolerated. This is the deeper issue here. Carpetsmoker (talk) 15:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Stop following me around. If I did this to you, you'd desysop and block me for 2 months with IP block on. Hipocrite (talk) 15:21, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * i would be more inclined to worry about your posts being removed if your consistent argument wasn't "the other side are a bunch of fucking idiots!" and "You're Garbage", we don't need to be that wiki. Now don't turn my talk page into another dramafest. I had enough of that from the puppet above.-- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 15:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know you only support freedom of speech for people who agree with you about the topic at hand. Hipocrite (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

What part of "stop fucking with people's User Spaces" did you fail to grasp?
? Acei9 03:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Seriously, Paravant -- is something up with you these days? This isn't generally looking like ideal wiki behaviour. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 06:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am in all things myself. Nobody gave a shit but Ace and apparently you, so the issue of this thread is moot. -- "Paravant" Talk & Contribs 06:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)