Talk:False flag operation

Gulf of Tonkin Affair
Watch the documentary "the fog of war". Interesting, might support your theory. I am undecided on this (but not well read on it either). Heart ♥  Gold tx 15:20, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Wasn't the sinking of the USS Maine an accident? MiddleMan 15:29, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I thought so too, though it was blamed on Spain or Spanish interests or something. Not really a false flag operation.  Heart  ♥  Gold tx 21:05, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Maine was probably an accident, but used, unofficially as a causus belli, so unclear if it fits or not.--PalMD-yada yada 21:34, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't buy the Tonkin thing as false flagging. Opportunism does not equal planning, and isn't planning an important element of false flagging?  It was chaos that was exagerrated and used to political ends, but it was not planned by the US to create the illusion of an attack by Viet Cong on our ships. human be in 00:10, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Maybe another article for opportunistic pretexts of this sort? (you know, like using 9/11 to attack Iraq?) human be in 00:12, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I guess I added both of them. This article is silly :)  ħ uman  02:50, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Move to new title?
False Flag operation? Heart ♥  Gold tx 22:25, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I was just talking on the phone with ColinR and Ted Haggard, and you have our blessings. --UL 22:54, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * LOL, I just figured out who Ted Haggard is. Heart  ♥  Gold tx 22:59, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I think Ted is a false fag, which is something completely different. CЯacke ® 23:06, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * He was cured, right? Heart  ♥  Gold tx 23:07, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * That's what the news was. Um but, you know, if you really like strawberry ice cream and you don't get served anything but chocolate, you're still going to like strawberry.CЯacke ®
 * They scared him "straight" with, um, chocolate? Man, I can't even go there... human be in 23:38, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Moved golf of tokin affair here.
The following was tagged for awhile. Not sure Gulf of Tonkin fits a false flag operation.
 * Gulf of Tonkin Affair: creating context to invade Vietnam &mdash; Unsigned, by: HeartOfGold / talk / contribs

Correct. It was trumped up, etc., and dishonest, but didn't fit the definition I remember reading in the article - ie, an intentionally deceptive incident. "golf of tokin"? Isn't that a fraternity sport? human be in 00:49, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah, I have brain (or keyboarding) farts too.  00:53, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

Delete
Uh, this "article" is not "on mission", and is really just an artifact of an agent provocateur who used to enjoy wikilaywering for a time here.  ħ uman  02:54, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

9/11
An IP deleted 9/11 from the list of False Flag attacks and was then reversed. We presently state. While the bush administration certainly used the 9/11 attacks to further its mission, the attacks themselves were pretty obviously carried out by the people who said they carried them out. The fact that some cranks claim otherwise does not make it so. We should remove this from the list.--BobNot Jim 10:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 9/11: US administration officials use the attacks to further an agenda which has little to do with them, like starting the Iraq war.
 * Be bold, Bob. 10:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be, but the IP was bold and somebody said "talk page first", so rather than get involved in a war I thought I'd bring it up (so to speak) first.--BobNot Jim 10:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, go ahead and remove it. I think the fact that I am tired combined with my neghbir's car alarm going off every 10 minutes (and it's fucking 4:30 a.m. CDT for fuck's sakes!!!) has skewed my judgment a little. I see we already have a section dedicated to that anyways. 10:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

How good is the evidence for Nero having burned Rome?
All the sources we have, have reason to hate Nero because they are either Christian or senatorial. The way cities were built in that time, fires "just happening" was depressingly common. Hanlon's razor tells me, that "nobody" deliberately set fire to Rome, but Nero was blamed (at least by some) or wanted to avoid being blamed and thus framed the Christians. Or he himself genuinely believed the Christians to be at fault. For whatever reasons... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:58, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Minor terrorism
Looking though this page and the Lavon Affair part caught my eye. Does someone want to explain to me what exactly a "minor terrorist attack" is? Caseinpointfan2 (talk) 22:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

US usage
Would this fit here? Anna Livia (talk) 20:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

BBC article
It is reliable even by WP standards - but may be more appropriately otherwise rendered. Anna Livia (talk) 12:56, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

provocation
the shelling of a kindergarten in ukraine has been named as a false flag by bojo, but i also hear it called a provocation. is there other historical instances of provoking war via something like this? im sure there are but i dunno what would count. does a line in the sand need to drawn first? can they really be classed as false flag like the kindergarten shelling? AMassiveGay (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)