Talk:Andrew B. Chung/archive2

So how long is it gonna be....
Before this guy notices the article and tries to drop some sort of "cease and desist" order on Trent/the Foundation? If the thunder don't get you/Then the lightning will. 03:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Serious "Whoa" moment
OK, let's just grab the reins here.

None of the negative claims in the article are backed by any sort of reliable source. Some of the "references" seem to be to forum postings made by people writing this article.

Sure - this guy *might* be as bad as is being portrayed, I have no opinion on that.

But without any hard evidence, a lot of the stuff written here cannot be tolerated, if only for legal reasons. (eg - claiming someone caused someone else's death tends to be frowned upon in legal circles).

I've deleted the page - anyone with admin rights can review its content, and I'm open to restoring it. However as is, this is WAY too defamatory to persist.

VOX HUMANA  03:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * In realted news, why do we have an epic talk page about, you know, some fucking guy on the internet? If the thunder don't get you/Then the lightning will. 04:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Restore
The article was deleted for no reason. Voxhumana says above the sources were not reliable about the deaths. Please see this news interview with Andrew B. Chung which clearly shows he was responsible for the death of a 16 year old girl. Forests (talk) 10:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It was deleted for good reason, we have to be careful about claims we make against living people. You and others may believe that the subject is who you claim, but a forum post is not really enough proof of identity. Admins can view the deleted page but I have protected it against re-creation until some consensus is reached over the content and in order to prevent edit-warring. Генгис silverbrain.png 11:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Being concerned for the legal consequences of dubiously sourced material is hardly "no reason". Nothing in that video gives us any legal right to say he was "responsible" for the girl's death. Unless a court of law actually declares him responsible, he isn't. (At best we could say "allegedly", but even then we'd need really solid ground, such as formal charges being laid). Be responsible - real people run this site, and you are putting them in serious jeopardy with these allegations. VOX  HUMANA  11:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Voxhumana I suggest you read through the archived talk page of Chung (see the screenshots etc), he spends his time posting peadophile comments, sending people sexual abuse, gay pornography and animal porn, making fake accountsemails of people (fraud) and writing death threats to people (I have the screenshots). He has been banned on countless internet forums. His internet history is a mile long and all readable since 2003, just google search his name. It makes no sense to have his article deleted, he is the biggest internet kook that I have come across, should it not be himself concerned for the legal consequences of his actions on the internet?


 * "Be responsible - real people run this site" Do they? Interesting considering that Chung has been abusing my name and others across the internet for the last 4 months and not a single member from rationalwiki offered any advice or help. It shows what sort of place you have here. Forests (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's time for you to consider finding another site to host your personal vendetta. If the thunder don't get you/Then the lightning will. 16:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Forests, who are you? All I see is a pseudonym, while those who actually take legal responsibility for this site are openly identifiable. If you are concerned that your "good name" is being traduced across the internet then that is of no concern for RationalWiki unless it is done here. Генгис silverbrain.png 17:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Chung knows my real full name and details etc becuase I have been in email communication with him, he sent me death threats becuase I discovered it was him behind the "MU" trolling and questioned him on it, he already knew by details and name though becuase hes an internet stalker who has been stalking me for over 4 months on fake email addresses and accounts etc, he has done the same to countless others, hes blacklisted my name on countless forums. MU claims to be a former patient of Chung, but if you see the archived page there is much evidence they are same person. His twitter account is documenting every edit I make on this website (and he seems happy the Chung page was deleted about him). and hes now sending people sexual abuse under by email address. He doesn't seem to want to stop his trolling, so I agree with this PowderSmokeAndLeather user I won't post on this website anymore (I know I have said that before, but I was documenting the activities of Chungs abuse) as that has been archived there is no more reason for me to post on this site. As Chung/MU has a long history of making fake accounts of people, if another user shows up here with forests in his name, it is not me. Cheers. Forests (talk) 19:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

If any of that is true then take it up with the police. However RationalWiki is an information resource, and the Foundation is directly responsible for all that is said here.

You simply CANNOT say someone has committed a crime unless they have been duly charged, tried, convicted of that crime. Anything else is outright defamation. If you pursue this matter with the police and Mr Chung (or anyone else) is duly convicted of any offence(s), then you are welcome to catalog those *facts* here. VOX HUMANA  03:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Andrew B. Chung is a troll behind the sockpuppet account "MU" which he sends people sexual abuse on, as seen here he is also a serious internet spammer. . Chung said in an email to forests he has never heard of MU, but Chung references MU in his own posts and admitted to meeting him. Chung 100% liar! Ecologist (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * MU!! has been trolling numerous websites and newgroups, Usenet in particular, for over a decade. Do a Google search on names like "Ari Silverstein", "Frank Camper", or "wilburn" (preferably in combination with "Usenet", e. g. ["Ari Silverstein" Usenet], ["Frank Camper" Usenet], [wilburn Usenet]) to see the full dimension of his trolling. As for Frank Camper: There is a real person with that name who is a former American soldier and mercenary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Camper). MU!!, under his various names, often claims to be this person (or uses sockpuppets to create rumors about himself to that effect). However, he does the same with remote viewing researcher Courtney Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Brown_%28researcher%29), so it's most probably just bullshitting and attention seeking in both cases. !! Andrew B. Chung Impersonating Frank Camper on the internet!!.


 * Andrew B. Chung/MU pretends to be an ex-military man called Frank Camper on various internet forums and Google usenet groups since 2001 and posting nonsense from his TOR network but slipped up on a few occasions and was traceable. I had a private phone call with the real Frank Camper and he wasn't impressed that Chung has been faking him all over usenet. Well Camper knows military combat skills (just watched a video of him on youtube), so Chung had better watch out! What come's around goes around! Anyone seen the film Karate Kid? Jon Donniz (talk) 18:37, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there any reason I should care about any of these people? PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.silverbrain.png 18:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I admit I have trolled several paranormal forums last year insulting spiritualists and posting sexual. I just need to admit I have done wrong and move on. The internet is filled with arguments and people attacking each other because I have done it, but I have taken it 10 steps further. A lot of the things I have done are illegal. If someone annoys you or you dislike someone just ignore them, walk away. Don't keep cyber bullying people like I do. Michael E. Tymn (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)