RationalWiki talk:What is going on in the world?/Archive39

Liberals want only white landowners able to not pay taxes and have the sole right to vote (govern undemocratically) on the basis of “corporate personhood”? (Reedy Creek)
Simple logic is not respected on either side of the political aisle. 2600:387:F:4215:0:0:0:8 (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Jake Daniels
I fixed the WIGO. Remember boys: girls play football too! LondonGrump (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

shawnee city council
im missing something. ive read and reread the article in question in part to get my head round the idea that is it is talking about flatmates and flat sharing and not some specific practice and unusual practice, just common or garden flat sharing, not something new, in part because despite its unanimous vote to to ban, it gives no indication of the purpose of the ban or its scope - public housing only? private renters too? a specific sector? there is an argument to regulate having lodgers from protecting rights of renters from unscrupulous landlords cramming in people into into rooms too small for the numbers involved, for general safety of occupants in the events of fire or emergency it is known how many people are offically in building before sending in fireman looking for trapped tenants, it can effect the benefits someone gets for housing if they have someone helping living with them to help with the rent. or the lodger is getting room and board rent free from their mate, but getting paid housing benefit anyway paid straight into their wallet. there are probably plenty of dubious scrooge like reasons to ban it too but dont know either way, the article is quiet on that front. should i be outraged or should i should i think it was about time, or should i just think someone is preaching to me via wigo but not given any of the meat of the story to weigh up its merits. AMassiveGay (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I had a similar experience when I encountered this link on imgur earlier today. The linked article doesn't go into much detail. This one goes into a lot more - it basically just seems like there are some homes being bought and converted into multiple bedroom properties that are being rented out on a room-by-room basis and, for some reason, the locals don't like it. Hard to get a full read on exactly why, but this line seemed pretty revealing: "Tracy Thomas, a former member of the Shawnee City Council, was one of the residents concerned about the housing trend moving into Shawnee. She and others were concerned it could lead to a dramatic influx in renters, more people parking on the street, and shifts in home values." Here's the actual thing itself, if you want a read. X Stickman (talk) 01:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

George Bush on Ukraine and Iraq
Probably not WIGO-worthy, but this gaffe is pretty funny. --RWRW (talk) 09:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Buffalo supermarket shooting
I feel like that deserves to be in a WIGO of some kind, 'nuff said. 149.19.40.48 (talk) 17:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Bumpf


 * Would have made one but can't figure out UI. Can someone link me to the "make page" page? Zodenticz Nexian (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC) Zodenticz Nexian
 * You're a little late, that was last week's mass shooting news. Today's mass shooting news is some dweeb who killed (report so far) 14 little kids and a teacher in an elementary school in rural Texas. Mass shootings are now "ordinary" events in America. The only question is whether Alex Jones or some other equivalent shithead hooked on the Russia NRA propaganda will call this particular shooting a "false flag". Gotta protect the profits you get from the dumb paranoid style crowd after all... Meh (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * They seem to have settled on the idea that the gunman was trans and entered the country illegally at a young age (both false). You know, they often talk about Democrat politicians putting politics in tragedies "this is no time for politics", yet it seems even the most "political" response they have is in-line responses the world over in how to respond to a mass shooting, proposing solutions that includes issues about limiting guns. Meanwhile, the "not doing political stuff" conservatives often try to go after the shooter's identity often in an attempt to say, these "others" are the problem, not guns or white supremacy. This is especially prevalent when shooters are, I'll fucking say the full line, cis hetero conservative christian (or "looks christian") white supremacist native-born white guys since they have to come up with a narrative where they can jump around those classifications in order to not allow the conversation to not go to "uncomfortable" places for them and their audience (which will lead to outrage against them by accusing the speaker of "blaming whites, conservatives, Christians, and gun owners"). That's the reason they're obsessed with playing up mental illness (the easiest one to hone in on to look more "neutral"), mixed-race heritage, non-cisgender, non-citizenship, or any "anomaly" to make them an "other". One example from both, The Buffalo shooter was not a "white supremacist" because he happened to shoot two white guys while deliberately ignoring the context and his blatantly stated motivations (and acting like having more than one type of victim in the minority is proof he didn't have a primary target in mind). Meanwhile, the Uvdale shooter had conservatives try to go after his heritage as well as using a couple of "goth makeup" pics to decide he was transgender, blatantly saying, "being transgender/non-citizen were what made him a mass shooter" (you'll notice a pattern that pointing out features that the fox news/twitter right approve is "targeting us", whereas them doing it to someone else is "pointing out the problems that the MSM don't want to talk about"). The other alternative is to deny the problem (which can be done to deny the shooter's identity or to change the conversation to their comfort zone) and claim it's a false flag to ban guns even though that hasn't happened. The point is essentially to do nothing, keep conservatives angry and loyal, and continue to divide and conquer our country.Ryan1257 (talk) 18:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Morbid tangent, but if I were doing "false flag" mass shootings to change gun laws towards "gun control", I wouldn't be hitting schools (I mean other places as well, but schools are the oneswe think of mostly), I'd do what any good conspiracy does, hitting those who can influence such policy, like police and police chiefs, sherrifs, judges, lawmakers and similar officials, lobbyist groups, and other people and organizations that could effect the debate more. And don't give me "soft targets" bullshit, I'm a conspiracy, remember, I'd have the resources to target such individuals even if they're hard targets in hard targets. Why attack schools? Sure they may be "soft-targets", but kids, teachers, administrators, and parents don't have a lot of sway on gun policies. And lately, let's be honest, children dying outside the womb is something the public cares about for at most 7 news cycles, so it'd be a waste of time and resources.Ryan1257 (talk) 18:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Food banks in BT(EE)
It just boggles the mind. This should be a cause of national embarrassment, but it has become so normalised it barely warrants an article in the national press. Cardinal Chang (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * its a damning indictment of british budgeting and cooking skills.
 * i couldnt find an article for the cunt who was proud that we have food banks. tory mp of course i forget which one. gove maybe, but im just guessing. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * if not gove, hes still a cunt. and, as should always be noted, a fucking weasel. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Don't forget he's a massive islamophobe too. As in fanatical hatred. And it's well documented re: Baroness warsei https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-donald-trump-baroness-warsi-anti-muslim-crazy-tory-chairwoman-a7649411.html Cardinal Chang (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * So cute to see the stuff people get mad about in normal countries. 15:43, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah so “cute” to see people getting mad at over-privileged toffs telling people who are struggling to feed themselves and their families in a wealthy country that this is just due to the plebs not having their shit together. Meanwhile other toffs see people handing food out as charity as a great example at how gracious their country is, rather than a stark indictment of how these toffs have (mis)ruled the country for decades. Oh, did I mention that these toffs also decided to throw the country into political and economic chaos for narrow, internal party political reasons after they had already fucked it over with one of the harshest austerity regimes outside of Greece? Or that they have instituted GOP style voter suppression? Or tightened rules to allow police to crack down more easily on demonstrations? Or that they don’t seem to think that they have to abide by international treaties and other agreements they have signed? So “cute” indeed; a veritable case of Hello Kitty, I’d say… ScepticWombat (talk) 19:37, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Roe v Wade
Tell me, how are we all fucked? Is the rulings of SCOTUS binding on the entire world now? Do hyperbole if you wish, but at least make it accurate hyperbole. KarmaPolice (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Go fuck yourself. First of all, this is devastating news to US residents.  Don't make light of it.  And if you don't think reactionary politics in one of the most powerful nations on the planet won't echo in the rest of the world you haven't been paying attention-Hastur! (talk)  18:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * get over yourself and get some perspective AMassiveGay (talk) 18:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What, pointing out the fact that 'US is not the world' is 'making light of it'? I think your parochialism is showing. And Gay & I have to put up with Boris Johnson on a daily basis (aka 'if Trump went to Eton') so don't hector me about reactionary politics either.


 * Plus, did you really expect otherwise? We all knew this would come up the day Trump got two SCOTUS picks through, and for sure one he snagged the third. So it might be an anvil, but hardly an unexpected one. Esp after the judgement leak. KarmaPolice (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would pay good money to see you go to a working class neighborhood in Texas (or a similar state) and see what happens when you tell those silly women they are just overreacting. Millions of women losing rights? Hyperbole! Let them eat cake!-Flandres (talk) 19:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "But both parties are the same lol" -- morons 19:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * But for real though, British people have such tiny problems compared to the absolute collapse of the republic we're experiencing in the US. 19:27, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * yeh of course because brexit isnt heading to a break up of the union or anything AMassiveGay (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You’ll still have human rights in those new countries. We’re taking the accelerating path to right wing totalitarianism 19:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * its clear you have no clue as to british politics and to johnsons plan for human rights. how very american of you. AMassiveGay (talk) 19:56, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "Johnson's plan for human rights" *looks at SCOTUS* *looks at biggest British story being about food banks* *looks into camera* 20:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * i repeat - no clue AMassiveGay (talk) 20:24, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This isn't a competition... though things on the HMS UK really ain't pretty right now (one slightly fluffy day does not make a narrative, Duce). The best thing going for us is the same reason I objected to the hyperbole (more the parochialism actually) - we are generally kinda phlegmatic by nature. Trying to make angry mobs of Brits is a bit like trying to set fire to a pile of damp leaves.


 * Anyway, I've got relatives in both halves of Ireland. They only got abortion rights in 2018/2021. So don't you play the 'you don't know/understand' card with me; I am more aware than you presume.


 * (Lastly, did the working-class women of Texas have decent access to such services as of yesterday? The GOP has done wonders chipping away said 'rights' to almost a theoretical level in many states over the last couple of decades.) KarmaPolice (talk)

Now isn't the time for oppression olympics, guys. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm just reacting to all the British people telling us Americans to get over ourselves. 20:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * well thats not whats been happening, but thanks for playing AMassiveGay (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "get over yourself and get some perspective" 20:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * did you look at the comment i was responding to? honestly, fuck off AMassiveGay (talk) 20:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * and we only need look at the preceding thread to see folk mocking the concerns of others about about the state of their country. AMassiveGay (talk) 20:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * (EC)Hastur didn't make any inaccurate claims though. This is horrible for millions of Americans (a quick look at news will suffice to prove that) and we do know the far-right movements of other countries are willing to take note from the GOP.-Flandres (talk) 20:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * hastur is claiming the whole world should be quaking in its boots. so yes, perspective is something that is required. AMassiveGay (talk) 08:51, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The SCOTUS decision to repeal Roe and similar are functionally declaration of war on marginalized groups in America and abroad. You're either with the marginalized groups or you're against them. The time for compromise and middle ground is over and done. 2600:1700:C5E0:D60:97D:795D:F119:40FD (talk) 22:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No, just be accurate. 'America is screwed' is perfectly fine (though I still personally a bit of an exaggeration, as laid out in the Bar. But that's a subjective not an objective point). KarmaPolice (talk) 05:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the equivalent of saying "All lives matter" you huge tool-Hastur! (talk) 17:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * you know this whole spat could have been avoided if you werent such a wangsty prick AMassiveGay (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Unnnnnd the miranda rights and gun control looks endangered on the same day. What now? 2600:387:9:9:0:0:0:15 (talk) 18:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about that. There is actually a start of groundswell of worry from lawyers and judges that SCOTUS is torching many major precidents for little real legal reason (which is the only good reason in their definition). Case law can be overturned by them, yes - but not on a whim, or for political reasons. A few more 'whim-y' results like this and it could seriously destabilise the whole law-cart.


 * And Hastur, quit it. I've made it fucking clear repeatedly my only real gripe was with the 'US is the world' language. KarmaPolice (talk) 05:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Abortion law in Germany
The news bit on §219 is incorrect in that it ignores the difference between advertising and informing. Abortions were in practice legal to get on the condition of a short educational appointment. Now, medical professionals are also allowed to advertise their services. This issue is widely misrepresented in public and legislative discourse. -181.214.173.9 (talk) 19:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

it took a story in the guardian...
...to get an 8 month old child a visa to be with their british mother. 'established life'. that right there is absolute dogshit and the home office is a fucking disgrace. im only surprised Mo farah isnt being deported to Rwanda AMassiveGay (talk) 07:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

yonks --> eons? doesn't really matter but something else please
As a Yank and an IP, I had to google what yonks were, and can't change the entry itself to something I understand. Someone please do that thanks 71.191.132.162 (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Bumpf
 * Hee! Serves you right for living on the wrong side of the pond. Scream!! (talk) 20:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I"m a yank. I like the term. Keep it. 00:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Alex Jones Trial
Jone's lawyer sent all the documents he was trying to hide from the court to Plaintiff's Counsel lmao https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1554864067508060160 173.79.12.32 (talk) 21:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Uri Geller's island nation
If it can get in the EU, I'll sign up... London Grump OBE (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Reference: Flag Codes
Here. KarmaPolice (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

"MyPillow guy"
Not sure why this is here, or why we're using a vaguely dismissive tone about this when it's a CEO being sued for making objectively false claims about election fraud, or why we're referring to him as "MyPillow guy" instead of only "Mike Lindell." Not newsworthy imho ---Ozzyboo (talk) 21:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd counter that quite a lot of folks do know him as the 'MyPillow Guy'. Though I'd have also included his real name, so put it as Mike 'MyPillow' Lindell. Not gonna argue about the newsworthyness of the thing itself, though. KarmaPolice (talk) 11:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * hes a prominent conspiracy theorist so he'e rationalwiki's bread and butter. the whole election was stolen thing is a pretty big deal in america as i understand it. proponents of it getting their comeuppance is pretty newsworthy imho, especially when it involves the supreme court. if its dismissive of the guy its because he is major promoter of this dumb theory, keeping it alive and contributing to the divisiveness in american life. and hes a prick. it is newsworthy, in the world of us politics, even if it wouldnt make the front pages of a national paper. but really, wigo is representative of what it RWs editors find of interest. if want to see more 'actual' newsworthy news you can watch the news on the telly or a decent news site. i'd recommend the bbc personally. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll add that another big part of RW's bread and butter is authoritarianism, which is exactly what peddlers of the Big Lie of the Orange Jeezus are promoting. Lindell is a very prominent promoter of this. He no longer makes major headlines because his bullshit is so nakedly laughably wrong, but he ticks off a lot of boxes on the type of things found on this site. Stories on laughable clowns like Lindell aside, authoritarian creep is still a major ongoing concern regarding the Republican party (and way too many citizens here who call themselves "conservatives"). 35.140.177.2 (talk) 16:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

World Bigot Convention
Perhaps that's a suitable name? Also, wouldn't this fit in more properly with WIGO:Clogs? Vee (talk) 21:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it's an actual news item, of an actual event. And not some mad screed, hammered out by a lunatic on a keyboard with a marginal grasp of reality. Yes, they are all regular occupants of the clogs, but this is a news worthy item. These horrendous individuals with their slavering fanbase are gaining in numbers. And ignoring them will not make them go away. Cardinal Chang (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Westminster Pinball
Some mention of the constant changes perhaps? Anna Livia (talk) 19:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Considering the events just one day after your request, it may require more than one person, and possibly a lot of gin. Cardinal Chang (talk) 19:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

" Nancy Pelosi’s husband, David has been ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Pelosi

Pelosi spouse's first name is Paul - David is apparently name of the attacker. Can someone correct this, pls? -2A00:1028:83BE:91A2:90B0:9A3A:9F9C:4D9F (talk) 10:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Cardinal Chang (talk) 10:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

"Party chef"
I misread "party chief" as "party chef" for a second lmao. Vee (talk) 00:19, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ”chef” means “leader” in French, so it’s not entirely wrong to call the chief a “chef”. Oh, and the words “chief” and “chef” are actually borrowings from the same French word. The relationship between English and French is interesting. LongStylus (talk) 00:34, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Naomi Osaka upset in third-round Olympic stunner
Osaka lost to Marketa Vondrousova of the Czech Republic 6-1, 6-4. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 2001:8003:DDB1:C600:5D83:52C2:AC31:6AAF / talk

Almost Nuclear Winter
Y'all forgot to add a big hitter. One of the two Nuclear Powers in South Asia just threw a missile by accident into the other's boder

What's with all the downvotes lately?
I kinda get the downvotes on the ones that are just a link to a YouTube video or Twitter tweet, but lately I've noticed a lot of the headlines are getting heavily downvoted. What's up with that? Blitz (Complaints Box) 01:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Possibly people are downvoting what they consider bad news, rather than posts they think don't belong on WIGO. Looking at the downvoted ones (workers' strike blocked, far-right politician appointed, anti-fascist accounts banned, not wearing OneLove armbands, Trump's twitter account reinstated) there's a pretty clear political theme. Then again, the upvoted ones include "Taliban whipping people", "tax filing websites sharing data with Facebook", and "El Salvador's president still obsessed with Bitcoin", which don't seem to fit my hypothesis very well. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒  talk  01:39, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It fits perfectly well. A big subset of both the internet and the wiki's userbase gets madder about politics than they do about anything else. 02:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's pretty obvious that those stories just got downvoted because they're bad news. (I even wrote "Sadly" in the "OneLove" armbands headline I wrote to make it clear I thought it was bad news too. That's guaranteed upvotes in the past.) Newcomers obviously don't know that stories are meant to be upvoted if they're relevant to RatWiki and downvoted if they're not. I think there should be a notice about that on the WIGO page, like there used to be. Spud (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * i don't know why that notice was taken down in the first place. if my memory serves me right, there was a notice that said to only include "rw-ish" stories in the feed. and in the source code, there was a notice that specifically instructed people how not to screw with the votes. now that those notices are gone, all the newbies keep changing the game not knowing what the hell they're doing. The G (talk) 18:38, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

That Kanye Hitler story
should’ve been in the Clogs I think. 00:41, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd've switched it over but then I'd look like a massive hypocrite after what I told Idiocrat. Vee (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * is it too late to comment it out and move it to clogs? The G (talk) 06:32, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, no. Vee (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

The Iran Morality Police aren't abolished
Sadly, the headline as it is in WIGO is misleading. They aren't "abolished" or "disbanded", they clearly say in the story that they're "suspended" which means they are still a unit. Unless the situation changes, I think we should just say "suspended".-Ryan1257 (talk) 17:41, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * i updated the headline and added context. if it's still wrong, feel free to correct it. The G (talk) 21:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

'Liver King' Notability
To be honest, I don't think the 'outing' of Brian Johnson aka 'the Liver King' as a pretty heavy user of gear is that notable. It's basically an open secret in the whole bodybuilding / physical training community that the majority of 'pro' levels of such are either on the juice or have made use of it in the past (unless they can't, such as sports folks). So he's not 'natty'? Le shock! You'll be telling me that wrestling isn't real next. The 'scam' elements of this - him saying it's his diet/lifestyle which did just did that is also pretty common; 'roided out hulks saying X legal product (anything from creatine to herbal test 'supports' like ginger) was the reason for it and not gear happens all the time too - as any search in bodybuilders in Instagram pushing stuff like protein powders etc shall testify.

It's these which is why this news simply hasn't produced any ripples in the 'community', as far as I can tell.

Lastly, HGH is not a steroid. If you'd like to be technically correct. KarmaPolice (talk) 10:18, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * if the folk on tiktok or instagram were pushing protein powders or creatine, then at least they would be selling stuff that has legitmate utility. probably wont get as big or get as big as quickly as the juiced up meat heads that flog some of these supplements, but will get results all the same. these people probably wouldnt make a lot of money from them though. if you are motivated enough to supplement as part of your fitness regime, you probably already taking or are aware of these. they dont need endorsements and dubious claims. its the snake oil that needs endorsements and testimonials. its all the fat burners, and testosterone boosters and BCAAs what they are selling in products where the active ingredients are at less than effective doses and/or not supported by any science and are effectively expensive energy drinks. its not just a common scam, its pretty much the norm that fitness influencers will be selling snake oil, even if they are not juiced up. shredded sports science, among some others, on youtube takes apart the more prominent offenders with reference to actual science. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * " pretty heavy user of gear " has to be a cultural thing, over here in Ireland, "gear" as in "on the gear" refers to heroin. Might put a different focus on those weights they're lifting.Cardinal Chang (talk) 22:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Eh, I called it 'a scam' and not 'the norm' because there's enough of a minority of folks who are pushing stuff (as you say) which do have some proven utility; influencers have brand management too and some will try to avoid shilling for obvious, known shite. Or making excessive claims on otherwise okay stuff (like say protein powders and bars, which we all end up consuming occasionally). Or they simply have some basic self-respect.


 * I do think you're missing one aspect of this, though - the target market. The folks who are 'properly' into fitness don't buy this shite because... well, they know it's shite. It's in fact for the wannabies with Dunning-Kruger who've been groomed by capitalism to think you can buy your way to success and are either too scared and/or unable to source 'the real deal'. Or the truly saddest cases of all... they're so ignorant they think fitness is impossible without all that shite. KarmaPolice (talk) 02:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not actually possible anymore to get to the pro level of bodybuilding without doing steroids, HGH, diuretics, and weight loss drugs. The pros are called 'freaks' within the industry because they have bodies that are essentially unattainable without such drugs. Bongolian (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Getting a look like this "Liver King" guy has is, from what I've glimpsed at net sites devoted to this type of thing, a lot of work. Even the "gear" is not exactly a "pop a pill and wham! you're He-Man" type of thing, its ouchie needles x times a week and there's often some sort of defined cycling scheme. On top of that, you're basically weightlifting all the time (since the "gear" allows you to recover fast, you can lift almost every day) and have a rather controlled "bulking" / "cutting" diet, the later where your goal is ridiculously low levels of body fat. I don't really consider this sort of bodybuilding "proper fitness" to be honest, it's almost a body-mod lifestyle that really isn't that great for your health in the long run. Maintaining a "toned" type of body is a lot easier (regular exercise with weights / cardio / etc., good food portions, don't eat *too* much junk, etc.) and probably healthier in the end.
 * It's right though that the gym-bro shit is sort of a scam like alternative medicine is, it's for people who want quick solutions. I guess some people want to look like a roid-freak (why? but I digress...) but don't really want to hear that you need to devote a significant portion of your life to this task, in addition to spending lots of money on gear, gym, and clean protein. BobJohnson (talk) 04:40, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Heh, that reminds me of a story I got told by an old squaddie who did 'foreign forces training' back in the day; he said the amount of times the ones being trained were clearly pissed at his dogmatic insisting that 'lots of physical/personal training makes you good' - his theory was that they actually believed they (UK Forces) had some kind of magic pills which did it but weren't telling them what they were. And your suspicion is correct, Bob; I know enough to know that to end up looking like LiverKing you're looking at a wholesale dedication of your whole life to it (even before considering chemicals) - time, finances, effort, willpower. And most importantly of all - a fair bit of genetic luck; to have a body which isn't inclined to shove on fat but is inclined to pack on visible muscle (that's a lot less common than you'd think).


 * You're also right about putting bodybuilding much more into the 'body mod' category than actual fitness, in the respects that it's only focused on looks, not either health or performance. In this respect, it's rather like say, the fad diets. However, what has happened is that bodybuilding has infected the wider fitness community, esp for guys - sometimes to the point that any basic 'fitness' regimen almost by default is more a bodybuilding one (and for the gals, the assumption is weight loss regimen). However, this works well because one of the main drivers of the general 'fitness industry' is for us to look better naked but we've been conditioned by society to think such vanity is bad.


 * Lastly, bigger pecs / lost weight etc easy to spot and be commented on by others. The fact I'm now capable of running a 3k in 21 mins and cycle 20ks in a half-hour is not noted by anyone. Visible achievement and actual achievement are two different things... KarmaPolice (talk) 06:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Same WIGO entry posted twice
The WIGO entry about 55 Tufton Street was posted twice, FYI. Vee (talk) 12:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


 * my bad Chillpilled (talk) 12:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

"Degeneracy grows"
This "observation" that as one ages one becomes more conservative is a methodological error. It assumes that overarching trends for one generation will hold true for the next, ignoring fundamentally why, say, the Boomers became more conservative as they aged (it has nothing to do with age and everything to do with fundamental privilege, and to some extent, the perceived "failures" of the New Left counterculture). Due to a difference in conditions, what holds true for one generation won't hold true for the next. Vee (talk) 03:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I also question the original assumption - that 'you grow more conservative as you age'. I actually suspect that generally speaking, a person's views are relatively static but the wider society changes.


 * That a Boomer now celebrating their 70th would have had their key 'forming years' between around 1965 and 1980. What would have been really rad progressive causes in 70s America? 'Gay rights', ending overt racism in business/govt, seeing Native Americans as actual citizens, rollout of basic reproductive rights re: contraception etc. In 2023, all of these ideas are banal and 'commonsense', only a complete reactionary now would advocate [for example] the re-criminalisation of 'miscegenation'. Yet... in the 70s, there would have been older, 'conservative' folks who had been raised in the 10s/20s and held that very view [which had been common enough in that era... for 'conservative' in the 1910s may have been a hankering for overt slavery, which elderly Southerners would still remember first-hand]. KarmaPolice (talk) 07:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

polish gerrymandering
there is no gerrymandering involved in the polish government proposals designed to get people in rural areas to vote. the opposition are not claiming there is any gerrymandering taking place, they say that the proposals are an attempt to get likely PIS supporters out to vote. that is not gerrymandering. gerrymandering is manipulating electoral boundaries to favour one party over the other. adding more polling stations and providing transport if needed to reach them is not gerrymandering. AMassiveGay (talk) 10:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I also didn't like the headline. "It is more democratic, but people will vote for a party I dislike, so it's bad". GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 13:03, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The G (talk) 18:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Rishi Sunak and right to withdraw labour
That's an awful lot of downvotes. Is it due to not liking the news? Or are people doubtful that the UK have been trying to undermine the right to withdraw labour? Cardinal Chang (talk) 12:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Downvotes are like magnets, nobody knows how they work exactly.--Tuxer (talk) 00:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * whatever it is, it's probably for the same reason a lot of people are downvoting my bolsonaro visa article. The G (talk) 18:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * A small note at the top explaining what the voting buttons are for might alleviate confusion. I am under the assumption that the voting buttons are for whether or not content belongs in WIGO.
 * looks like the trump trans story is also receiving a lot of downvotes. i'm pretty sure that article is missional. at this point, i think many downvotes come from whether users like the news story that was posted. i guess it all depends on who's reading the pages at the time the entries are added. The G (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

keir starmer
i removed the the wigo because it did not remotely reflect the article in anyway whats so ever, no mention at all of the gender recognition bill, and it is difficult to see how the wigo rlated to article at all. it was flatout bullshit AMassiveGay (talk) 16:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

greta thunberg posed with police
so what? AMassiveGay (talk) 01:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I dunno, I didn't get it either. I guess it means the cops arrested her despite getting along with her beforehand? But that's hardly unusual. 01:18, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * People online are claiming the whole thing was staged. It's not an absurd suggestion that it might've been just a photo-op, especially since it'd seem a bit odd they'd have 4 officers carrying her in the air.  01:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * they carried her because she was refusing leave the area. they stopped for a photo it seemed, probably at the prompting from all the press you see in the swarming around her you see in the videos of the event which was an opportunity for a photo op. so what? the one photo was was staged in the sense they stopped for the press to take a picture. what do you mean the 'whole thing was staged'? the twitter link had some cretin assert the whole protest was staged. yes it was. they are staging a protest. are they saying they are not really protesting? or are the people online just saying words? AMassiveGay (talk) 03:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * and she wasnt arrested. she was detained briefly. AMassiveGay (talk) 03:38, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * that's why i edited the headline with a new article. i'm pretty sure tweets from discount journalists (current or former) from the daily caller are not reliable sources. The G (talk) 18:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)