Essay talk:RWRW's thoughts on UK Prime Ministers

cameron and 'successul management of the economy'
hahahaha good one. the rise of food banks, child poverty, homelessness, crime rates, local governments cutting services across the board, cuts to welfare. successfully shitting on the poorest in society. average household 4 grand worse off and the mortality rate went up. did you forget about austerity? or did you forget about brexit even - the defining failure of his government which leaves us in an even more precarious state than we would be with just the pandemic to deal with.

and we did intervene in syria. AMassiveGay (talk) 13:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm no lover of Cameron or austerity either for that matter, but I think he left the economy in a better shape than he found it. Neither I nor my family are well-off at all but we all think we did better under the Cameron years than we did under the Brown years. But yes, I won't deny what you've said about food banks and homelessness so maybe my use of the word 'successful' wasn't accurate.
 * I haven't forgotten Brexit, I say that Cameron's downfall was arrogance - and that's a reference to him calling the referendum for party management reasons, and Cameron's assumption he would win just like he won the elections in 2010 and 2015 and the referendums in 2011 and 2014.
 * Yeah we intervened militarily in Syria but that was against ISIS and not a regime change movement. And said intervention was wrong from a domestic point of view since Cameron initially ordered airstrikes without Parliament's approval, and questionable from an international point of view since we weren't invited in like we were by the Iraqi government to bomb ISIS there. --RWRW (talk) 14:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

A Yank commentary
I don't agree with all your assessments, but as a conservative former-Trumper, you're surprisingly more fair overall than I would have expected (particularly when compared to conservatives in the US). There's quite a bit left out, obviously, e.g. decolonization. Also, I think you mean 'morale', not 'moral'. Bongolian (talk) 07:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Lol, how far back are you gonna go? Haven’t PMs been a thing since, like, the 1600s? 08:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bongolian Thank you, I take it this one makes a better read than my infamous "Trump is a good President" dumpster fire essay? XD
 * I have tried to be fair in this. It probably shows that its not all Labour politicians I dislike, it's just the ones of today that leave much to be desired. I haven't written anything about Attlee yet, but it will be very flattering (owing to my belief that he was one of Britain's greatest PMs).
 * Thanks, fixed. For whatever reason I decided to start writing at around 7:30am UK time so I suspect there's a few more typos hidden away. I'll try to proof read tonight if I have time.
 * @DuceMoosolini 1937 is the earliest I will go. There's some earlier PM's I know about (Lloyd-George, Macdonald, Gladstone etc) but frankly most of them before Chamberlin I haven't even heard of. It also becomes more complicated when you consider that the office of Prime Minister wasn't even official to start with, and there's debate between historians about who should be considered the first PM. --RWRW (talk) 08:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

oven ready
hows boris's oven ready brexit deal doing? AMassiveGay (talk) 18:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * cant fault his blinging wallpaper though AMassiveGay (talk) 18:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * at least when it stays on the wall AMassiveGay (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Not too bad. As I write, I think much of the UK's early success with vaccines can be traced back to Brexit - remember when Keir Starmer was rallying to stay in in the EU Medicines Agency? Not to forget this infamous (and now deleted) Tweet by a Labour MP. Only noticeable drawback at the moment is some food shops having supply problems. Who really cares about McDonalds not having any milkshakes? --RWRW (talk) 11:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In fact, to add to that, McDonalds not having any milkshakes is probably being celebrated by the frontline staff. I worked in fast food when I was a student - we hated the milkshakes. They were an inconvenience to make (given that we were working against a timer) and at the end of the shift the machine was a pain to clean. --RWRW (talk) 11:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * oh i see, not having produce is a boon, i see this now. interestingly milkshakes not a problem in a northern ireland - the only brexit related issue not as problem there. ni shows the 'oven ready' deal to be the lie it always was. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * or rather stuff to sell more than produce specificallyAMassiveGay (talk) 12:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

“Opened the door to Ukrainian refugees”—by about an inch
You can’t possibly be singing praises of Patel’s handling of the visas. The UK government is second only to the UAE when it comes to lack of refugee intake. And the homes for refugees scheme is a shambles. Leucippus Salva veritate 02:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * not exactly been super great with sanctions either. to say nothing of all the russian cash the tory party is swimming with. or just ask sunak's missus. AMassiveGay (talk) 02:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The figures I saw recently said there were 79,000 visa applications made, with over 40,000 accepted, so many more will be coming soon. The countries that have taken the bulk of refugees are the ones that are close Ukraine, which makes sense. Is it second only to the UAE? For example I just spent ages trying to find out how many Ukrainians had been accepted into the US with no avail, which makes me suspect the figures have been deliberately omitted. I did find lots of articles about refugees being forced to wait at the Mexico border though.
 * Reuters shows the UK has made targeted sanctions against the Russian economy, banks, airlines, shipping, oligarchs and Putin’s family. If some wealthy British citizen (who happens to be from Russia) wants to donate to a political party then that's their right, but it clearly it hasn't made Johnson at all sympathetic to the Kremlin (Johnson is the "most anti-Russian leader" according to Putin). But I am slightly baffled by the calls for the Tories to give the money back - I thought giving money to wealthy Russians is something we're trying to avoid? --RWRW (talk) 03:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)