Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive129

Accounts Creation at Conservapedia in March 2009
10:05, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * There are fewer attempts to create an account in 2009 (min: 7, max: 30, av: 19.2) than in 2008 (min: 17, max: 37, av: 30.8)
 * The quota of blocked accounts seems to be constant (ca. 54%). But of course, this rate will increase for the accounts of 2009, as the editors hadn't enough time to prove themselves yet...

Open-mindedness
Andy, TK, PJR, Uncle Ed, everyone, please watch this. Neveruse513 13:03, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Excellent video. StarFish 15:06, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "Neveruse" (I see you don't follow the naming conventions), this "QualiaSoup" (what an absurd name) is clearly an atheistic liberal who needs to open his mind more. He makes no mention of the Bible, and at 7:20 you can clearly see him using mind control techniques, much like Barack Hussein Obama. As I've said before, there's no point in debating with a burnt pancake; deny this and lose all credibility. Godspeed. EddyP 15:33, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

I liked the video also. It's interesting how the ideal enlightened thinker - someone who is open-minded, impartial, reasonable, judgemental when it's fine to be judgemental and willing to "do a Galileo" when they're right and everyone else is wrong - has been greatly distorted to justify pseudo-science, authoritarian views and the absurd claims of wingnuts. Open-minded becomes "accepting that everyone's right", impartial and reasonable becomes "always taking the middle ground, even when one side's clearly batshit" or "believing that no side is ever 100% incorrect", being judgemental becomes "unwarranted elitist arrogance", and doing a Galileo becomes "keep views about something you know nothing about even when the entire scientific community is patiently explaining why you're wrong with sock-puppets." Of course, all of this is the antithesis of what the ideal thinker is about.

It's all the more frustrating because otherwise well-meaning persons actually accept this crap, not (obviously) because they have fundamentalist views to prop up, but I think because they see some sort of link between the principles of the distorted thinker and reasonable social policies or ways of conducting themselves, and the principles of the ideal thinker with unreasonable social policies. So for the former they identify a link between the toleration of other people and the "toleration" of other people's beliefs, between accepting that people have equal rights to belong to a certain culture and that the beliefs of certain cultures are equally right, between opposing people who declare themselves an authoritarian source of truth and opposing people who say they're right and other people are dead-wrong. For the latter they identify a link between saying "P is talking a load of crap" and shooting P or between telling someone they can't speak to their dead relative through a seance and taking a dump on said relative's grave.

Well youtube inspired rant (exploration of fundementalism) over. But isn't that what this website claims to be about? Bil08 16:35, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * As long as we are sharing links on youtube re: openmindedness...here--ScottA 17:29, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * hehe...had to watch that one twice. Neveruse513 19:02, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Planned retirement? Say it ain't so, Andy!
I'm as surprised as everyone else. Will he return to law after the completion of the current World History Lecture? Good luck, Andy! --Irrational Atheist 13:08, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hmmm?  Shurely shome  mishtake?    'Splain!   DogP  13:10, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Check the date, DogP... Totnesmartin 13:12, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Always someone to ruin the joke quickly. --Irrational Atheist 13:15, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Shoulda pointed to an already burned page.
 * No, no, I'm enjoying all the April's Fools today, but I still don't get this?  Your link is Andy adding Best New Conservative Words to his home page?   What's that go to do with his retirement or going back to the law?   Sorry if I'm stupid and not getting some joke I'm missing?   DogP  13:19, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I just linked to the last Andy edit. April 1, expect things that don't make sense or sound absurd to be jokes, and, like parodists, it's better to ignore it or run with it rather than point it out. --Irrational Atheist 13:22, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "IT WAS JUST THERE, I SWEAR, HE'S RETIRING! LOOK AT THIS SCREENCAP!!!" Neveruse513 13:17, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but Andy didn't burn anything recently, and no one would care about TK or Ken doing anything like retiring. I was hoping the mob mentality would have predicted what Andy would be doing in his retirement. Instead someone without a sense of humor felt to bring some reality into the mix. --Irrational Atheist 13:20, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It'd be the first time I'd ever have been accused of not having a sense of humour, but whatever.  Not sure you know how to do comedy.   Punchlines have to work, not be irrelevant diffs.   Snark.  DogP  13:23, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Genuine humor is lost on atheists. Neveruse513 13:26, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Humor is a Christian concept. Didn't you know? --  Nx / talk 13:27, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Now that's comedy.  Where on earth did you get such a brilliant, ludicrous joke?!!!   DogP  13:37, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Atheists only understand crude mockery and vulgarity. Christians understand the unique brand of true humor that culminated in the Half Hour News Hour. SirChuckB  13:31, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I hope that show's off the air. It wasn't funny (and the premise that Rush and Coulter would breed made my skin crawl). --Irrational Atheist 13:45, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, it got killed a while ago. Thank Goat SirChuckB  14:08, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

That ugly mug
Every time, every time i see that photo of ASchlafly I burst out laughing. That he thinks it is in any way a good photo of oneself, worthy of plastering on one's own article, is a sure sign of a deranged narcissistic mind. --Runderfulnotsignedin
 * I know what you mean.... I would never want pictures of myself plastered over a wiki..... SirChuckB  14:13, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Andy and the Moon
I'm actually surprised that a minor editor had to bring this up after I slapped exactly this point straight into Ed's face on aSK (Talk:CP) a few days ago. --Sid 15:02, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Add "The Moon" to Andy's big book of "Things that are Liberal and thus evil" ENorman 17:15, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Was he traumatized by the Moon in Majora's Mask, maybe? --Sid 18:27, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Can't blame him. That moon was effing creepy. Vulpius 19:53, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

misopatrist *chortle*
AddisonDM's definition of misopatrist makes me wonder if he has some librul bookz on his shelf. "The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who loves his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair."--- H.L. Mencken Nutty Roux 17:18, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Aren't they all misopatrists, given how much they hate the current administration. Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'll stop applying logic to conservatives.   17:22, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I can't say I've read much of Mencken's work but I have seen a lot of his quotes and they always strike a chord. Генгис    17:31, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I am reminded of something that Al Franken (librul?) said at the beginning of his "Liars" book. He said (I paraphrase) -that loving one's country should not be the blind love that a dog has for the master, but rather the love an adult has for an adult. You love the person, but understand the flaws and want to help the person be a better person-. (End Paraphrase) Much as I love America, and much as I think it is, to me at least, the greatest nation that has ever existed, it is not a blind love, and I will work to improve it. If that makes me a Godless liberal, then so be it. Jimaginator 17:48, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Some misopatrists throughout history: pretty much every slave abolitionist, anti-fascist, anti-Soviet, French resistance member, and anti-segregationist. Addison would make a fantastic fascist. 17:57, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Seriously. And what's so fuckin' wrong with hating your country if your an Eastern European, Spanish, or Persian Jew living outside of the US or Western Europe or practically anywhere else before 1948?!  Or if you're from nearly any African country during colonial times.  And on and on and on.  I guess I'm seizing on a negative connotation in the "definition" of misopatrist, as if there's something bad about it.  But like whoever was having it out with TK yesterday, it's all in my head.  And heaven knows I'm not a mentalist, though I'm certainly mental.  Nutty Roux 18:13, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

The timing is certainly odd when you compare it with the hysteric foaming that's all over CP right now ("Obama used his full name during the inauguration! MUSLIM AGENDA!"). I honestly can't decide if Addison is completely blind or a lot wittier than I thought. --Sid 19:34, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Insights and Contributions
This has been bothering me for some time now. What the hell is with Andy's rhetoric? Throughout his history lectures, various nations, empires, and groups make "contributions." Philosophers, theologians, economists, and scientists alike make "insights" (and even contributions, in rare places!). Although, given that Andy also calls effective sycophancy "insight," maybe this isn't high praise. On the "contribution" tangent, I keep getting the impression that he's the world's thickest Hegelian. Alexander contributed to Christianity's spread without knowing it, while China contributed gunpowder to the world, all this being part of the spirit of man's inevitable movement toward freedom the apocalyptic 2012 Sarah Palin presidency. 18:08, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Andy's a moron
He can't tell when a person (me) makes a Parthian Shot. -- 18:12, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sorry, CUR, but that's just embarrassing. 18:15, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hey, it is pretty stupid when a person can't see a parodist for what they are (when they say what they are) under his nose. I'm trusting TK on this one. -- 18:16, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm asking him to block me. -- 18:17, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * For Christ's sake, CUR, it's a miracle you can even tie your own shoes. You left that lamest of P-shots up there for a whole four minutes while Andy had just finished blocking and reverting some real vandal, and now you're crowing about how it got past him somehow? You're the only person on the internets dumber than Schlafly. What would it take to get your Parthian shot here? TheoryOfPractice 18:20, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * * facepalm* Генгис    18:36, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I doubt anyone even noticed you after you had only been there for one day. 219.90.133.197 18:41, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Why are you asking him to block you? You were merely irritating.  Nutty Roux 18:50, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Anyway, you got what you wanted, for whatever reason you wanted it.

8:43, 1 April 2009 TK (Talk | contribs) blocked 70.248.74.0/23 (Talk) with an expiry time of 1 year (account creation disabled) ‎ (Same IP(s) as previously blocked user(s): CUR/Jack456 - NOTE: If you post legitimate conservative thought, that isn't parody.) 18:42, 1 April 2009 TK (Talk | contribs) blocked 70.243.252.0/23 (Talk) with an expiry time of 1 year (account creation disabled) ‎ (Same IP(s) as previously blocked user(s): CUR/Jack456 - NOTE: If you post legitimate conservative thought, that isn't parody.) 18:42, 1 April 2009 DeanS (Talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:Jack456" ‎ (User/Talkpage of infinitely blocked user and/or vandal) 18:40, 1 April 2009 DeanS (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:Jack456" ‎ (Inappropriate content) 18:38, 1 April 2009 TK (Talk | contribs) protected "User:Jack456" ‎ ([edit=sysop:move=sysop]) 18:30, 1 April 2009 Jpatt (Talk | contribs) blocked Jack456 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) ‎ (Parodist / liberal parodist) Nutty Roux 18:54, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Conservapedia Underground Resistor, (inappropriate name), you're clueless. I wasted time with your unsubstantial additions and I haven’t seen a single insight from you yet. Clearly, you're not here to think and learn. Got news for you: elevating animals to the point where it interferes with human life is just another way to degrade human life. We have a preference for substance over talk. This is logic and there is nothing ironic about it. assfly


 * TK also noticed BoN 219.90.133.197 posting here and lowered the banhammer:
 * 1 April 2009 TK (Talk | contribs) blocked 219.90.133.0/24 (Talk) with an expiry time of 1 year (account creation disabled) ‎ (Same IP(s) as previously blocked user(s): ADAMNET, Adelaide, SA, AUSTRALIA)
 * Генгис   19:17, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Waste of his time he has already done block to the range that includes my IP. 219.90.133.165 19:33, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Do you want me to block your IP so you're forced to login? Nutty Roux 19:47, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * My point was that TK is just a little shit. Генгис    02:18, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh, he is a shit that is for certain. I haven't edit CP in nearly 4 months, so he can't have gotten the IP from checkuser log; notice he didn't say which blocked users. I like the usual "I can see your house from here" game he plays by naming where the IP is registered. Congratulations TK, you can use Whois. That is only insignificantly more skilful than Google searching. 219.90.133.165 05:25, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Why is Conservapedia so popular in Finland?
Alexa gives Conservapedia a trafiic rank of 1648 in Finland. See this link. Whys is Conservapedia so popular in Finland among all countries?--EvilFlyingMonkey 12:04, 2 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Well, there is a special "Finland duck" rule in the game Conservatroll (which you shouldn't play). I don't know if that started the link, or happened because of it, or what.-- 12:13, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think someone pointed out that Finland is home to a large number of proxy servers.  ħ uman  18:37, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * And Finns love funny websites. =) Though I don't think CP has had any bigger memetic value here. As far as I know, the bloggers, the mainstream media and the religious organisations have all given their well-thought-out responses stating CP is an extremely absurd website. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 03:35, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Kriegerdwm ...
... isn't just a one trick pony then ... oh! ... wait a minute, my mistake. Back on the Daniel prophecy. 13:08, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I know it's not CP but:
Ed on WP: "I prefer to collaborate with other writers, because I can rarely write anything worthwhile by myself. ". Never was truer word spoken. 17:59, 2 April 2009 (EDT)


 * "I still have hopes for collaboration, though. Because over 1,000 articles that I started are still in existence. --Uncle Ed (talk) 00:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)" Yeah Ed.  because back then there were no articles, and there was the out of copyright Brittanica to c/p from. I made this argument earlier as to why he writes these crappy stubs - because he gets to claim forever that he "started" them. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:48, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * And note the qualifier "still in existence." Ed, if you start the article wp:Literature with the content "It's books and junk," and the article still exists five years later (since civilization survived), you've accomplished nothing.  The original content is long gone.  Collaboration my ass.  19:36, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I thought the Brittanica stuff was imported wholesale, that and some structured data about US cities? <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 20:23, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Eh, yeah, that would make sense. But still, faced with a wiki "only" that large... gawd, an eighth grader could create fifty decent article starts a day.  Ten if they tried to write more than one paragraph.  Two hundred easily if they operated at Ed's level of quality. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:08, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Out of curiosity, I just took a quick peek into his contributions to see what a couple of those 1000 articles he keeps bragging about are. And to be sure, he doesn't STFU about those articles, or how long he's been a member, and so on. I assume he's trying to impress people into letting him push his POV. Anyhow, here are a few I found. Oh, and it's interesting that the very first edit I was able to find under his name was gutting the ID article. Ed never changes. --Kels 22:30, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, Ed's a twat, not to insult the female organ, and has probably always been a twat, we've known that since we met him. Does dpl work on WP?  One could easily copy our "braglist" dpl there and preview it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:26, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No it don't, otherwise I'd have done it an age ago. 00:31, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Eh, should've stuck to WIGO.
You're welcome, Addison. >_> --Sid 20:01, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

TK
There are two possible scenarios I see with TK (the first one much more likely):
 * 1) TK is a master troll. His plan is almost complete, and shortly ASchlafly will go outside and eat worms. There will be a mass immigration to aSK. A snake will coil its tail around assfly's house. From this wiki will spring for goats. They will go help the snake in devouring assfly. Addison, the brave knight, will use a Sword of Truthiness to chop off the serpent's head. From its blood will spring forth a tree. Birds from all over the world will come to this tree, and the liberals will flourish in its branches. Conservatives, however, will be trapped within its roots. Eventually, the Dame Palin will rise up in dragon form, and breath a might fire, burning the tree to the ground. The forces of liberals will fall on the forces of conservatives. The battle will go on for months, and there will be death to women's sons. Finally, a peace will befall the land of Jesusland. The peace will not last long, and there will be war between the Republic of Canackizstan and Dumbfuckistan. Throughout the world, there will be blood, and the knife will laugh at the destruction he has caused. Finally, the people will rise up against TK, and chaos will rule. (combination of Jeffrey of Monmoth, the Oracle of Delphi, and the own, mushroom-enhanced ravings of a certain CUR)
 * 2) TK is an accidental troll, and tries to help the site. Instead, he wrecks it. Shortly, he will realize he's a liability and rangeblock himself.

-- 21:27, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 3. TK is a one man goon squad, and enjoys keeping the CP decks clear of people who might irritate Andy by arguing with him. It's actually a perfect fit. The site is not "wrecked" as long as Andy can keep editing his lectures, grading homework, and picking up a few edits from his never-ending supply of homskollars. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:17, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

LAME!!!!! User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 22:15, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You know, I have my favorites among your talk page links. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:07, 3 April 2009 (EDT) (Did I say that? What did I mean?  Did I mean to comment here?  Only the goat knows!)
 * When it comes to himself and his blog, Assfly is fan-fucking-tastically positive. Nothing can or ever will go wrong. Less editors = less vandals = a moar trusted team of editors = less talk = "substantial contributions only". Remember that no matter what happens, teh Assfly cannot and will not be beaten. Evar. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 09:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Ed's Thought of the Day
I love it! I voted it up on WIGO in the hope that Mr. Ed will grace us with these nuggets of wisdom regularly. And then maybe he can compile them into a little booklet. Poor Ed's Almanac? Chairman Ed's Little Red Book? I have a feeling this is going to turn CP's sagging fortunes right around!--Simple 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Best. Front. Page. Edit. Since. Moar. Hitwin! Now I have to check the next diffs to see if he corrected all the spelling/grammar/brains errors. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:25, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Nope, only one. And that was hours ago.  And, no Ed, sorry, I decline to tell you what to fix here.  Unblock me and unlock T:MPL and I'll do it for you. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:27, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ed should try teh BBC's "Thought for the Day" on R4 every AM. Some spiritual person droning for 5 minutes. It gets lampooned reguarly on comedy & irreverent current affairs progs. The atheists/secularists (I forget which particular organisation) protested & demanded a fair crack o' the whip a couple of years ago - no way José - they were refused. Rabbi Lionel Blue! Ugh! 23:29, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh please, please, please let it be permanent. This could be the best thing to happen to internet humor since icanhascheezburger.-Diadochus 23:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Like everything else there, it'll be maintained for a week or two & then forgotten, to fester and be revived at odd intervals. 23:59, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's Ed, I don't give it to the end of the weekend. --Kels 00:03, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Some little arse-wipe'll see to it for a while, but you're not wrong. 00:05, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * The only thing working against it is Andy saying "why didn't you write it as an insight article" and Ken being pissed that MonkWin got pushed down a few pixels. Let the main page wars begin!  PS, Ed, you're an idiot.  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:31, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Please don't tell everyone that Ed's an idiot: he's trying to keep it seekrit! 01:36, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * ThoastUrethra, he's not doing a good job. He keeps typing and clicking on "save". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:06, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Thought of the Day


 * ' is as much a pro-drug tract as ' was the liberal drug-laden missive to a stoned generation. Both are, in essence, Satan's enticement to sin against one's own body, the temple of God. The attractive lyrical disguise in which the prim parent-substitute's siren song, "A little bit of sugar makes the medicine go down", is encased only serves to make the song itself an enticing poison pill which led to the loss of a generation to vile Hollywood values.  The Beatles and  alike paved the way to the drug-crazed orgies that made Jesus weep.


 * "Modern" parents, with their children who feed at the public school trough, full of such disgusting fare, are responsible for debasing their childrens' minds and morals to such a profound degree that the election of a Muslim president was made possible.


 * - Poor Excuse 02:28, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * After he has done 20 of these, assuming he ever does it again (it is far more likely he will do it once and then forget about it), we could do an Ed quote generator. - User   03:39, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

<undent ... Jess slaps his wrist: "Either create what you redlink, or do not link." Good on ya, girl!. 04:11, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Speaking of which, I deredded the parody above. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:12, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I am mentally formulating my bitchslap at Ed on his talk page for using a zillion fucking red links on talk pages at ASK. Life is good. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman 
 * Aww, I like edlinks... Totnesmartin 08:24, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * They have their place, but Ediot uses piped links to things that don't exist in talk page comments as if somehow the unwritten article explains what the hell he means. Or as if to create a "writing plan" for his mystery collaborator. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:14, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean I like them because they're useful. I like them to giggle at. it's like your pet doing that little thing you love. "awww, there he goes again... bless." The CP squad are like that - the same classic routines over and over. Totnesmartin 17:32, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * WTF does this edit comment mean? Ed appears to think that everyone's as film oriented as he is. Oh and this is 100% ed. 15:27, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

So I just popped over to CP and read Ed's masterpiece. The front page now has:
 * Thought of the Day
 * Featured Article
 * Article of the Years (Evolution)
 * Conservapedia's Highlighted Article (Richard Dawkins)
 * Richard Dawkins and Public Debates
 * The Masterpiece
 * Popular Articles at Conservapedia (most of which aren't actually polular and yes, Evolution & Atheism are first on the list)
 * Bible Verse
 * Historical Quote
 * Courses
 * Guest World Treasure (a copyrighted picture)
 * Quick Links (even though I've had to scroll down 4 screens to get to them)
 * Evolutionary Racism of Hitler and Darwin
 * Uncharitableness and Atheists/Agnostics

Ken prides himself on his SEO abilities but really once you arrive at the main page on CP it is such a protracted mess that it's a wonder that anyone can find anything.  Lily Ta, wack! 04:18, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

I will bet you a hundred internets
The the person that mad the post that 🇰🇪 thinks is Dawkins was actually 🇰🇪. TheoryOfPractice 01:26, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Too lucid. Plus it's on the wrong page, apparently, since I couldn't find what JeffersonPaine was talking about on a cursory glance (it's also late here, and I don't care?). But Ken doesn't have that much control of the English language. A parodist or sock? Maybe. A random passerby who is too fervent about defending Dawkins? Could be. Human in disguise? Probably. --Irrational Atheist 01:55, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * On CP? Not me... I'm too busy spreading the Good News at ASK.  But if you want, you can have a hundred - nay, a thousand - internets, free. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:09, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He has fixed it up; it was just his usual shitty grasp of English that made appear as though he thought he was talking to Dawkins. I notice when is on the talkpages he never actually addresses anyone point, he just repeats back his little monologues complete with the quotes, citations and his usual strange turn of phrase "with regards to (fill in what he is attacking) and the subject of (what he is trying to link it with)". - User   02:47, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What about the ever popular Ole! Ole! Ole! EternalCritic 10:38, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Still growing rapidly
Not counting homework, debates or mysteries, I count 55 mainspace edits made by non-sysops yesterday. Most of those were people tinkering with their pet articles (FOIA/Alger Hiss, Schlossberg/that Korean flight article I've never read). So, not a lot going on.-- 06:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes, at some point we're going to have to put up a banner. What Is Going On at Conservapedia? Bugger all. I guess TK has finally blocked enough of t'internet that no one can contribute any more. -- 07:43, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hehe, I almost edited the main header on the page itself last night to say "What is going on? (Not much)" <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:08, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Next question is, will TK take of his mask and finally stick the knife into Andy, gloating about how he's ruined Andy's blog. --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:53, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No, my plans for TK are far more subtle than that. First, I plan to make Andy paranoid that his homskollars are poisoning the brownies they bake for the class. -- 07:57, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * So that's the girls in his class taken care of... --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:11, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Nah, I think TK would first try to get more power. Methinks he will end up creating his own homeschool classes on CP, then the epic battle between the unholy saint Andy and demon lord TK will take place. The twilight of Conservapedia is nigh--Nate River 18:07, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Conservadammerung. Barikada 20:58, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Andy is Wotan, except completely blind instead of half blind. TK is naturally Alberich ("Thus I curse love!") We need to do a Conservapedia version of Das Rheingold. -- 02:52, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

The only thing growing rapidly at CP right now is the ban list. --Gulik 03:21, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You didn't think Conservapedia exists to educate people did you? It's a clique, it's just an opportunity to draw a circle around the "cool kids" and keep the others out. Xena 09:42, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

At this rate...
At this rate WIGO CP will end up getting merged into some other WIGO. WIGO wikis? could cover cp, ask, creationwiki and even teh WP in its sillier moments. Thoughts? And thank you, yes, I am being deliberately provocative... :) Totnesmartin 08:22, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Maybe we should just change the name. I would suggest that we change it from What is going on at CP? to Is anything going on at CP?  08:30, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That's exactly my point - if it had always been this slow WIGO CP would have just beena part of "according to..." (an oldie for the 2007ers) Totnesmartin 08:33, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ken seems to have stopped doing his 'running stats'. I can't be bothered to check but I guess it's because the numbers are pretty poor. StarFish 09:06, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I like to think it's because I used his numbers to ridicule him. No reason except vanity and coincidence, of course. Anyway, now ASK has neatly bisected the encyclopaedia writing crazy community in to the political crazies and the religious crazies, anyone want to take a bet on which will grind to a halt first? -- 10:31, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ever since his Dawkins article was boosted to 1m? 11:01, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I note we're now WIGO'ing articles from LAST YEAR (the Hollywood Values).  Please, just one more Lenski affair, I need my fix.
 * Don't worry, can't be long now until SES day. Then we've got the awesome lulz of New Jersey's response to his SES application to look forward to. -- 11:30, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes, I'm hoping that's top-notch entertainment.  It might even be funnier than this, and that's a pretty high bar.   But seriously, there had better be some action, I'm starting to get the sweats.   Where are the Insights?   Where is another Heath Ledger outburst?   Where are the pulled-out-of-my-ass statistical analyses?    Goddamn it Andy, be bonkers again!   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  11:41, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It really is a sad day when even cp:Law Terms D can only muster a measly 6,656 page views.-- 11:39, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I promise I'll have the scans by Monday....I just need to get my ass to a Fedex Kinkos. I don't want to stand here in my office scanning this shit. "Hey, whatcha doin?" "uhhh...." <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 13:29, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Discussion of old article, but it's slow
So, I was reading a link from WIGO, and found this gem under "hollywood hypocrisy". Helen Mirren played Queen Elizabeth II in a movie 'The Queen', but admits she used to use cocaine and was date-raped as a result of her poor life choices as a younger woman. -- Can someone explain what the hypocrisy? Does Mirren claim to be all goodie two shoes now?-- 13:53, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Mr Schlafly once asserted that actors were hypocritical if they played roles that differed from their own personality. That might the root of this "hypocrisy" thang. Totnesmartin 14:21, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Quite simple: "Liberal did something bad, must report." <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  14:38, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Tot, isn't that called "Acting?" Or do we all really think that Johnny Depp is a gay pirate, Anthony Hopkins goes out for dinner at the local "other white meat" joint, or John Travolta is overcome by alien forces who are here to destroy all good and must be killed through money (oh, wait, he DOES believe that one)-- 14:41, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What? I did say Schlafly said it. Totnesmartin 16:40, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * OK, this is a stretch, but it IS a slow day. If you accept that Mr. S believes actors don't act but rather live out their secret hopes/dreams/desires in front of a camera, then you have to wonder how to interpret Professor Poor's previous job as a Disney employee.  I see him as Goofey, or maybe Donald Duck.--Simple 14:56, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ed's really on a "truth" binge lately, isn't he? Saying he can't write at ASK and WP, and this gem from the link above: "As a former Disney employee, I must say the company needs to pay more attention to its role models for tweens. --Ed Poor".  Yup, that's why he's a former employee... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:11, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Do we have any info on what Ed's claim to former Disney employment amounts to - after all, a vac job at a soft drink stall at DisneyWorld fit's the description. Silver Sloth 08:48, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I just find it hard to get past my disgust at that miserable fuckwit trying to get mileage out of someone getting raped. What a sad excuse for a man he is. Ughh.. Silvermute 16:01, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I had checked their source for the claim that her cocaine led to her being date-raped. The article had no mention of anything approaching date-rape.  Have I been mistaken? -Lardashe
 * Nope, that seems to be an Andism. She said she had used coke.  She said she had made bad decisions in her early life.  She said she had been date raped.  Andy drew teh conclusions she did not, herself, make.  Oddly, he should be happy with her, since she has a "conservative" outlook on date rape, saying it's not something that should go to the courts.  (mind you, she has a very very specific definition of date-rape that involves the very heavy make out sessions and the last minute "no", and not the "we were on a date and he got me drunk/drugged me" scenario.-- 17:11, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Arm the immigrants!
I can see Andy's internal turmoil over this. Arming people = good, but immigrants = bad. What to do? Methinks he'll pass the shooter off as a liberal atheist and avoid the whole thing. According to the article the shooter's one of those immigrants himself. Foreigners = atheist liberals, folks. EddyP 16:33, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * There's still not enough information out yet to tell how Andy'll handle it. -Lardashe
 * Bright green jacket, according to the BBC. Clearly not one of those dangerous anti-christians, then. EddyP 16:59, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I've said it before, but one more time - I fucking hate how we jump on these mass shootings as a stick to beat CP with before CP has commented. Pack it in, people. Totnesmartin 17:05, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Shut up and ready your stick (also, this was done as a way of bringing it to their attention, as I'm not willing to waste an IP address to do so on CP. They can read it on here instead). EddyP 17:13, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I have to agree with Tots, the schadenfreude that takes place here each time some tragedy occurs with people wondering what Andy makes of it is as sickening as when Andy begins to spin it. I would rather you didn't bring things to his attention, so I don't have to hear his disgusting bigoted thoughts on it. - User   03:43, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

voting numbers gone awry
I added the WIGO of Ed's newest stub, and was somewhat surprised to see it instantly had 55 votes the moment that I saved the page. Clearly, something must have gone wrong somewhere, but I don't know what. --Johann 16:52, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Never mind, it fixed itself. Or someone else fixed it very quickly. Either way's fine. --Johann 16:53, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Instead of <vote poll = wigo1645> you wrote <vote poll - wigo1645> Spotted it, corrected it 17:40, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Unky Ed on Teknowledgy
http://www.conservapedia.com/Computer_virus &mdash; Unsigned, by: LateralQuercus / talk / contribs
 * And? Totnesmartin 18:29, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I dunno, but it has been ages since I remember seeing fallen oak around here! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:30, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "Discussion of the virus problem is sometimes hampered by the terminology used by purists, who distinguish between such varieties as "worm", "Trojan Horse", etc. But the generic term for unwanted software that infects your computer is "virus"." - i.e. "Those goofy 'experts' try to come up with the 'terminology' to specifically explain and discuss 'different' 'phenomena', but we're having none of that. Just use whatever terms you want, kids! It's just like in real life - there's no need to learn to give specific critique, because if you don't like anyone, you can just call them liberals!" (If you want a good blanket term for harmful software, most experts would use the term "malware" nowadays, but that's just me...) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 09:29, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I just wanted to also point out that I have a file cabinet drawer labelled "Teknowledgy". I chuckled. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:06, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Hope I didn't out a sock...
I hope I didn't out a sock, but the way Andy flew off the handle, then butchered the English language because someone dared to challenge his knowledge (and you know how he hates know-it-alls, besides himself), I had to share it. Forgive me, whoever controls that sock. --Irrational Atheist 20:36, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Good monkey, TK! Good monkey. --Irrational Atheist 20:54, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Is it just me, or does it look like Andy got an early start into his Friday Night Bottle? He is positively nasty there (world history lecture nine talk), and foamingly illiterate - and he didn't fix the grammar, either.  Or perhaps he's editing while fighting with his wife or something.  I sure hope he's ok. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:23, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He seems to get nasty when patently obviously wrong. "Andy, Prussia is not the same as Germany." Andy checks it on wikipedia (how else do you think he gets info?) .... DAMN.  "YOU COULDN'T PASS MY MIDTERM."  21:43, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I love how after I indicate that he may be a sock, TK bans him (even though the new user had been posting most of the evening while TK was around). But the reason? Because he uses one of the largest ISPs in UK, which someone else already banned used. I wonder what else we can get TK to do by feeding his paranoia? --Irrational Atheist 22:36, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

(un) Why the hell would Tealish fix Andy's grammar and leave it a direct quote? It was directly quoted because of how fucked up his grammar was! Leave the lulz, man. --Irrational Atheist 22:46, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * TK!JY23's a sock! But whatever you do, don't block him! -- 22:56, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Cur, would you like a brief reprieve from RW? I can promote you and block you, for, say 3 days, so you can mull over just how FUCKING STUPID you come across as. When it's over I'll reinstate all previous demotions. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:49, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * * considers Human's offer* Fine, as soon as I'm done with the star article. -- 11:32, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Whoops. My bad, I didn't realize it was a direct quote. I should have known, though. <font color="#008080">tealish <font color="#FFBF00">??!!!1 02:48, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, you should know better. Anyone quoting Andy and really screws up the grammar, it should be assumed that it's likely word-for-word Andy's real statement. :) --Irrational Atheist 02:50, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I wonder why Andy doesn't use "thees" and "thous" just like Jesus talked. Xena 10:27, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That only those people who are whatever religion it was that Nixon was raised in. Quakers? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:54, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Because American English is the most advanced of languages and only liberals would believe that all languages are equal. Christ Andy's language theories drive me up a wall. ENorman 12:14, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * John 3:16 (Conservative Amurrican Version) "Cuz Gawd loved Amurrica so dang much he cut loose his one and only favorite native Son, and whoever the hell it is done believes in him ain't never gonna fry but live forever and ever amen!"
 * Which is odd, as it is a well known fact that god is British. Hence cricket.Silvermute 18:39, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Wow, way to stereotype. Kalliumtalk 19:49, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No kidding. Not everyone in the US says "dang". --Kels 19:58, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * How about "Dag nabit"? Ace McWickedRevolt 19:59, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Only the prospectors. --Kels 20:15, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Praying to Bacchus
So I wake this morning, full of vigour. Well, not quite. Last nights intoxication still rides strong and I feel, not an uncommon feeling, like my own liver. Sort of a hot flush, "livery", bad taste in my mouth feeling. Head pounds, feet twitch like bullfrogs in a dynamite pond. Girlfriend administers coffee and cigarettes are lit. Vague memories filter through my head - I have been asked to be best man at a wedding, I passed out on a couch, the barman smoked all my smokes, I left a knife and some of my shoelaces on someones floor, etc, etc. I know, damn it, that sometime in the next hour or so, I have a painful, and no doubt disturbing, encounter with the in-laws. After spending the previous day drinking and watching the Indian cricket team pummel my team at the Basin Reserve in Wellington and then having little memory of what followed (I think I ate some lasagne and there was a difficult situation at a pharamacy) I know today can only bring trouble. But, as I sit and grimly scan the headlines of todays grey world my heart leaps with joy when I see such quality WIGO's. My optimism abounds with the knowledge that no matter how bad I feel, how rotten and distasteful, that Andy Schlafly and his various cronies will always make me feel better. Ace McWickedRevolt 19:23, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hurrah for your pasty-mouthed state!  You could do as I do when hungover, which is frequently, and contribute to the excellent Hangover page too - I find that one better describes how it feels when one is stuck to the couch with a throbbing head and a desperate fear of telephones.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  22:53, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It doesn't taste like liver, to me. Also, sadly, my current state is partially due to not really getting hangovers at all (thank you cheap single malt?), although I do sometimes wake up still "processing" the liquors consumed before sleep.  Anyway, dude, if "she" is your "girlfriend", "they" aren't technically your "in-laws", although I guess it's easier to refer to them that way... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:23, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Why is Hangover in Fun namespace?  Lily Ta, wack! 15:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Being nice to Mr Schlafly
So here's a challenge. It's just too easy to make Andy angry, like poking a wasp's nest. How many factual edits (i.e. not god-bothering, fruit-loopy, dinosaurs-met-Jesus edits) do you think it's possible to make to a CP article before Andy reaches over to press his Big Red Nuclear Button? The Real James Brown 20:47, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Probably one, if he doesen't like it (like, IDK, providing Evidence for Evolution, Global Warming, that Obama ISN'T a muslim, which, I might add, is how I got banned the first time, apparently "Factcheck.org" is a "Liberal Website")
 * If you stay away from hot button topics you can go on indefinitely, look at JessicaT and RJJensen. If RJ makes an edit to neo-con Andy doesn't like he will get reverted, however so long as he keep copying and pasting in articles on obscure historical politicians and generals Andy is happy. Jessica on the other hand has fills it full of Japanese language and pop culture crap that doesn't feature on Andy's radar as she can continue on as long as she likes. They both earned sysopship by adding factual information that Andy has no use for. 65.60.9.250 21:38, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Even HSmom's occasionally critical comments haven't got her stopped 'cause she knows how to apologise before saying he's a pillock. 21:53, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

I made a lot of edits there, avoiding the hot button issues, and even got a compliment on my Rocky Bleier page. It didn't feel like I was going to be nuked at all. 23:32, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I really never made any contentious edits, and built lots of 'pedia. But some shithead whispers in Andy's ear and Bang!  Bye bye for six months.  But, yeah, for most people, they could edit indefinitely as long as they stay off Andy's herpes sores. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:30, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Interesting. How does anyone know in advance what his current herpes sores are? I mean, if a German pointed out that Prussia isn't an old name for Germany, most sane people would say "right-ho, you know best". Ditto 3 (now 4?) Brits (plus RJJ) saying there's no obstacle to a catholic (or hindu or whatever) becoming Prime Minister. Is the key word here "sane"? Or is it that he doesn't want parents of his home-schoolers finding out he's a total bull-shitter, so improving pages on Japanese pop culture is OK but (genuinely) improving his history lectures isn't? The Real James Brown 07:19, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Watching WIGO is a good way to know what his herpes sores are. Never disagree with his three pets; gun control, abortion and homeschooling. Don't touch an article he has edited more than 3 times in the last two weeks, it usual indicates it is something he is watching. 65.60.9.250 07:34, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sometimes though, Andy is in a mad mood and it doesn't matter on what subject you post or how nice you are about it, like last week when that user dared to suggest putting a link to a charity on the frontpage. --GTac 07:44, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He also seems very protective of his so-called lectures, e.g. the crap about Scotsmen thinking they're superior to Englishmen. The Real James Brown 09:46, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Dollfuss
TK's being very nice to Dollfuss. I wonder how long the "innocent" questions will last before he figures it out? --Irrational Atheist 21:31, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Typical, but odd perspective from TK. I don't see any of his metrics as falsifiable, except may for that charity figure (though I don't know anything about how he gathered that "evidence").  But anecdotally, my dad immigrated to the US from Canada as a teenager, is exceptionally liberal by any standards, served in the Air Force during Vietnam, and gives generously to Doctors Without Borders, Human Rights Watch, and the ACLU.  Does he get to be an American?  What about both of us maintaining dual citizenships?  Is that unpatriotic?  Nutty Roux 21:47, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Ignore
Please. Ignore. It. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  22:41, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * what? ;-) 22:45, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Just ignore it.  Him.   You know what I mean.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  22:50, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That's why the [;-)] 22:52, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

<font color="red" size="12">IGNORE WHAT, AGAIN?</FONT> --Kels 23:01, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes, just ignore him, please.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  23:02, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Kels: get some bloody work done. 23:04, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "Bloody work"? That is for us Ladies.  Surely the Gentlemen have more serious matters to address. [curtsey and backing out of room] <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:38, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I have never understood this "ignore him" business. Why ignore? Its comedy gold. Why the fuck ignore? Let the man hang loose. I am entertained for fucks sake so why the fuck ignore the godamn piece of shit mutha fuck cunt fuck....fuck........ahhhhh drinking, never a dull moment. Ace McWickedRevolt 01:07, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * FWIW, I actually did get some work done tonight. I'll have to revise it all tomorrow, plus more, but at least I'm a step or three further along and managed to slip in a Magritte reference, so all is well.  Oh, and anyone who thinks Rabbi Boteach is a good debater is brain damaged.  That is all. --Kels 01:23, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Lady Ace, you might at least try to catch your tongue and watch your language around the Gentlemen on this site. Magritte Yay!!!<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:39, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * This year I shall be stuffing my face with a big fat chocolate Christian Easter bunny. Bunnies must be religious, 'cos otherwise they wouldn't breed so fast.  Lily Ta, wack! 15:21, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Denial
Addison Andy wonders why brits are denying things. perhaps it's because they're NOT TRUE, wanker! 22:45, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Andy, not Addison. Right? --Marty 15:30, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oops, mea culpa! 02:09, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Question about Conservapedia
I am a doctoral student in Austria am trying to finish the methods section of my dissertation about the religious right wing in the United States. I found Conservapedia, which initially appeared to be a good resource, but my preceptor raises questions about whether it is representative of the American religious right. Is it "for real"? I find RationalWiki when I am searching for information about Conservapedia. It appears to me that this website has a lot of information about Conservapedia, but it is difficult for me I think because English is not my first language. My preceptor and I wonder if Conservapedia correctly communicates the idea of the American Christian right wing. Thank you. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 66.160.197.149 / talk / contribs
 * Servos, read Andrew_Schlafly - Conservapedia is basically his mind "working" out in the open. (whereabouts in Austria are you?) 23:30, 4 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I believe Conservapedia is a little more (OK, a lot more) to the Right of normal Christian Conservatives. For a better example of "mainstream" Christian Right, you could check out The Christian Coalition of America or The Moral Majority. Those, of course, are even a little more to the Right then most Christians (especially the MM), but they are pretty good sources for the main chunk of them. (Edit: Also see: The AFA--Passerby25 17:30, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * The Religious Right in the USA has many self-proclaimed leaders, but no real leadership per se. You have the former Jerry Falwell. Pat Robertson. Sun Myung Moon. James Dobson. Then you have non-Christian political leaders who believe they are the true Religious Right.
 * What CP communicates is a very skewed, anti-science, anti-left, anti-woman, anti-rights beliefs. He is more of an ineffective Pat Robertson and an uncharismatic Sun Myung Moon. And a less lively Jerry Falwell. --Irrational Atheist 23:32, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Thank you all for answering quickly. Toast, I am in Vienna where I live with my family near the park of Schöbrunn pallace. I think I should make clear that I am studying the fluctuation of the influence of religious orthodox on American politics over time, in specifics the rise of the right wings Christians since the 1970's in the United States. It is the beginning of an explosion of religious speech and conflicts in American history that I believe is different than the secularist state of the earlier times. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 65.60.37.195 / talk / contribs
 * I'm in the UK, so not really qualified to answer. (I was in Melk & Wien in 1960 & in Germany south of München in 1966 I remember happy times.) 00:04, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Memories! I have the Riesenrad in Prater on Google maps now, I have acrophobia (fear of heights) very much when I was in it in 1960! Schloß Schönbrun is sehr schön. Ich erinnere auch Stephansdom. ;-) 00:17, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * CP is more of a "cartoon" version of the US Religious Right - but the proprietor, Mr. Schlafly, is the "real thing". I think our user:sid resides in Germany, hence may have some fluency - and he is also an expert on CP.  Perhaps you might want to ask him for some guidance without language barriers?  Also, welcome to our little corner of the internet. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:34, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Bunchanumbers, I liked this essay (last part, but it has links to the earlier chapters), in which a writer tries to explain how American Conservative Christianity ended up in its current contorted position. I'd also recommend reading Slacktivist, where a liberal Evangelical Christian tries to explain the nuttiness of his Conservative brethren to us heathens. --Gulik 01:36, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Here they come, folks...
Get your model answers to Homework 9! --Irrational Atheist 23:33, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sorry, know it's a serious topic and all, but all I get from your title line here is the Monkey's song. "Here they come, walking down the street, get the funniest look from, everyone they meet... h'eyhey, we're the monkeys!"&mdash; Unsigned, by: WaitingforGodot / talk / contribs (onnnn acccounnnt of inntoshtiticashion?)
 * WfG: your age is showing. 00:28, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No it isn't, the esteemed Gentleman misspelled "Monkees"... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:36, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Teh hon gent is pished so it doesn't kount. 00:39, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Please excuse an ignorant Lady for intruding in Gentlemen's business. Off to the scullery... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

This diff took ages to load, so I forgot why I clicked on it, but really, Andy. Tony Blair "abdicated" from his job as PM? Really? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:07, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I had a similar reaction to that. Perhaps he's trying to use big words for a change and misusing them. Well, not fully misusing as it seems that it can be used for any high office although for elected officials, the most commonly used and most accepted term is resigation. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 00:28, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That's more than five words,Jenna N.--Nate River 12:00, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Airplane
for some reason this struck me as incredibly funny......."looks like I picked the wrong week to quit a number of things". Ace McWickedRevolt 06:41, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Heheh yeh, that's pretty funny. --GTac 07:46, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's not even an Ed original, how disappointing! -- 09:59, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Airplane! is a pretty funny movie itself. I think that edit is actually one of the ways CP is better than WP: CP isn't trying to maintain a professional tone, so it can get away with making the article on Airplane! intentionally funny in its own right. I'm 100% sure that was intentional humor (via understatement and abrupt context switching) on Karajou's part. (Of course, just because such edits likely wouldn't survive at WP doesn't mean CP is necessary; for humor-by-wiki we have ED and Uncyclopedia, and they provide evidence that humor-by-wiki just isn't that great.) --Marty 15:36, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Last Quarter at CP
<font color="#00F0A20">DogP  initiated these pics:

07:53, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You might wanna put these (all of them) on a page unto themselves to give a running snapshot of CP history. Singularly, they get lost because I don't know what each is being base-lined against. Having several chart/pics would fill in some holes. CЯacke ® 17:46, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Cult of Andy
Does anyone thing Andy's homeschooling class is rather cult-like, and if the classes didn't end after a few months, it would be in danger of becoming a real cult? One of the first and most important things cults do is tell their subjects that they cannot trust anyone except their leader. Andy, with his "deceit is everywhere! Anything you ever hear that contradicts me or seems to prove me wrong is DECEIT and should be ignored!" mantra, does just that to impressionable kids. No wonder he's not allowing CP to run roughshod over Scientology like they do with any other non-Judeo-Christian beliefs, he's stealing their playbook. DickTurpis 10:38, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think his classes are probably more laid back than CP is. It's harder to accuse someone of something as terrible as being a liberal when you're doing it to their face.  Andy is an internet bully, I think he's fairly spineless in RL. -Lardashe


 * You may recall that the key to a successful cult is a charismatic leader. Andy.  Charismatic.  Andy.
 * QED. 11:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Don't make the mistake of construing "charisma" too narrowly. He's charismatic in his own special weird way.-Diadochus 12:03, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He could be a Great Leader of Men but for that weird robotic voice.  Hard to be taken seriously when you sound like a Dalek.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:45, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Wrong character, right nationality. Try Mr. Bean.  Or Grover with a cold.  Either way, it works.  --Kels 12:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, some of his students seem to be rather devoted to him. Addison vouching for him in his SS application. Sharon spouting off his crap word for word in the CP on the Hour video. But I still think that it is disconcerting that his attitude seem to be "whatever you hear or read should be run by me first, so I can tell you if it is deceit or not. It probably is." -DickTurpis 14:50, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Unless Andy and his homeschoolers buy a lot of guns, ammo and a small farm out in the country, it is not a true cult. However, maybe Andy is the next Shoko Asahara? Maybe his homeschoolers will go out and do terrorist actions against Andy's enemies, stuff like burning abortion clinics and homosexual hate crime.--Nate River 18:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Now that the NRA is offering free membership I can well imagine Andy, Karajou, DeanS and JPratt (as well as the other loopy gun-nuts) stocking up with semi-automatic assault rifles. As for Conservapedia being a cult, I always felt unsettled by the use of this this template on so many user pages.  Lily Ta, wack! 08:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

CP Plagiarism Articles
I'm about to add to the list, as it appears that a great number of articles on non-controversial subjects are plagiarized in their entirety from other wikis. Whoever made this, did you use any particular program to do the side by side? Nutty Roux 10:59, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * ALL of my CP articles are word-for-word from wikipedia, except for two or three I copied from The Onion.--Simple 11:49, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I did it and all I used was TextPad 5. A more advanced text editor than Notepad.  Lily Ta, wack! 12:08, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I guess I can use the MacWord 2008 compare text function, but I was wondering if there's an easier way. RJ Jensen has been persistently cribbing other people's work without attribution.  Nutty Roux 13:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

A Service for TK: Range Blocks
In his sandbox, TK uses our values to argue that the range blocks aren't detrimental to CP (perhaps some of his fellow - or junior - sysops are a little bit concerned?)

What to say? Keep up the good work! 14:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

TK fails at wikis
"If we had wanted discussion and debate over truisms, we would have a forum or board that invited debate. But we don't have such a vehicle, do we?" You have a debate namespace! Barikada 15:02, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * TK is also ban-happy today. Anything sets him off with 5 year bans this Facepalm Sunday. --Irrational Atheist 20:18, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * TK is always ban happy. I don' think he wants to destroy CP like so many people say, I think it is an outlet for all his frustrations. He probably just found out that the ex is in a new relationship and the kids aren't coming around for Easter, so to make himself feel important he throwing his weight around again. 65.60.9.250 20:30, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Why Liberals Delight in Deceit
On behalf of Conservapedia, I'd like to wish everybody a happy Facepalm Sunday. --Marty 15:47, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Somewhere a moderate, sane conservative weeps. ENorman 16:51, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, if all that liberal deceit about gun control would go away, we'd have no problems whatsoever.. Right Andy? <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  17:11, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Is it just me or does that "essay" not actually have any points in it? It's like he strung it together with a rhetoric-o-matic. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 00:30, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Nice try, "Armondiko" (what a ridiculous name), but nobody is falling for your deceit. Obviously, the point is that libruls are bad, and conservatives are good. Deny it and lose all credibility. --GTac 07:28, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Andy expertise addition?
How should we file Andy's new expertise about the British "ban" on Catholics as Prime Ministers? British Constitution? British Civics? Britain? --Irrational Atheist 15:49, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * British Constitutional law most likely. I seriously think I need a drink after reading that and his Sunday essay. I'll be at the bar if anybody needs me. ENorman 16:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Since Andy's two new threads of "expertise" are prolonged events still ongoing, should we move them up the WIGO list, start new WIGOs to continue, or...? --Irrational Atheist 17:04, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * First strike! --Irrational Atheist 17:15, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * We have category:UK politics. Also, I thought the UK didn't actually have a written Constitution?  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * We don't, but confusingly we do have an unwritten constitution, althogh being unwritten nobody really knows what it is. (I'm joking, actually the unwritten constitution is mostly made up of common law, with made up being quite an accurate description of the UK constitution half the time).--stunteddwarf 17:41, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * We've been making up the constitution as we've gone along since 1215 (AD, not GMT) Totnesmartin 18:03, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * We have a constitution: we don't have a "codified" constitution. (apparently) 18:06, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Did the Prime Minister (or whatever he is called really ABDICATE ? I thought that was only for the King or Queen to do .. 67.72.98.45 18:10, 5 April 2009 (EDT) Absolutely, yes - abdication is only something a monarch does.   Prime Ministers simply resign.   Andy is a fucking nitwit.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  18:14, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Whilst Andy is indeed very wrong on his main point (and has yet to apologise of course) I don't think there's much of a problem with the use of the word 'abdicate'. Although it is normally reserved for use with the monarchy, in a general sense it is resigning from a position of power, and so may well be applicable here. Jammy 19:14, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but did Blair even "resign"? That's like saying LBJ "resigned" the presidency... unless I forgot how he ceased to be PM... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:21, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He resigned after more than ten years to let Gordon Brown become PM. He says he was in the job long enough, did everything he wanted; what is actually more likely is that power factions inside the Labour Party have organised amongst themselves the succession of leaders and Brown's faction thought Blair had been in long enough and started exerting pressure on him to maybe consider handing over power. 65.60.9.250 19:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Or because Blair realised that Labour had a good chance of losing the next election, and didn't want to be leader when it happened... KlapauciusEsteemed Constructor 14:01, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Blair thought he was King. Or Queen. Or God Almighty... The Real James Brown 19:30, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well to say LBJ resigned is not really the case. He reached the end of his 4 year term and decided not to run again as he could have. He didn't resign so much as he didn't 'reapply' for the job. Blair, as PM, did not have any term limits and so he was resigning since he actually resigned as the Labour leader, and thus as the Prime Minister. Jammy 19:59, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Thanks Jammy. I'm still confused, but less so, hopefully. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:12, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I can haz a question? If socts look down upon the English, and I'm 1/4 scot and 1/4 english, does this mean my right have feels superior to my left?  (of course, being the other 1/2 is all german, I must be a great musical composer, too).-- 20:53, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Silly question. If CP has taught me anything, it's that the right is always superior to the left. --Kels 20:58, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * And Gentlemen to Ladies, of course. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:26, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Music WIGO
Mozart? Obscure? My response in an image EDIT: But now I must rage.

Oh For Chrissakes, You Moron
I love that his scorn is now at this point purely reflexive. He didn't even look at the list, which in any event is filled with fun red-herrings. Such a funny bias to believe that the Germans have any province on musical excellence. For your edification, Andy:

Mahler, a German, you fucking dunce.

Johann and Richard Strauss, Mozart, Schubert, Haydn, Schoenberg - Austrians, you dolt. Who else was Austrian?

Prokofiev, Stravinksi, and Rachmaninoff are widely regarded as among the most important and influential Russian composers of the 20th century CE.

Shostakovich, Tschaikovsky, and Mussorgsky, are widely regarded as among the most important and influential Russian composers of the 19th century CE.
 * ahem, Shostakovich was C20. Cantabrigian 03:53, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Hector Berlioz practically invented modern orchestration, and certainly had a hand in inventing the modern percussion section. He was a pretty darned important 19th composer and conductor, but he was sadly French.

Bela Bartok, a Hungarian was also one of the most important composers of the 20th century, practically invented modern piano music. And your kids learned how to play piano using his etudes, you crumb.

Antonio Vivaldi and Monteverdi - HUGELY influential composers of baroque religious music. While both were Axis, they were sadly Italian

Puccini and Verdi - practically invented modern Italian opera. But they're also sadly Italians.

Sullivan - if your kids were good enough musicians to get into Interlochen in the summer they could perform some of the funnest, snarkiest, most distinctly British operettas evar.

Liszt (a Hungarian), is credited with inventing the symphonic poem and is widely regarded as one of the finest pianists in history.

Maurice Ravel - Pre-Vichy French, but perhaps along with Debussy as responsible for the popularity of the tone poem as can be. And if you've never made your wife take off her merkin so you can bone her to Bolero, you're not living, Andy.

Paganini - composed perhaps one of the best known concertos for violin, the Concerto for Violin No. 2 ("the little bell" concerto")

Grieg, a Norwegian, so you can say whatever you want. Same for Sibelius, a Finn. Hardly obscure to anyone.

Holst, a Brit with a German name. I can see that being confusing. A contemporary of Ralph Vaughn Williams and hugely important to Brits and the World, you cockgobbler.

Borodin - I don't much about him, but I remember that he was also a famous chemist, although he didn't invent Zyklon-B, Andy. Sadly, Russian. Boulez - another I'm ignorant of.

Penderecki - nutty Polish modernist, so you can call him obscure

Eric Satie - another modernist, so you can call him obscure too, if you grew up under a rock

Herbert Von Karajan - a (Austrian) conductor

Glenn Gould, a (Canadian who changed his name from Gold to avoid being mistaken for a Jew, so you might like him, Andy) pianist

Karajan, a German, was a conductor, not a composer

Nutty Roux 22:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I guess there were only 4 great composers ever: Bach, Handel, Beethoven, and Wagner. Odd that none of them did any of their famous works when they were teens. Also, we all know that Andy is a very stupid person, and it is not unlikely that other than the above three, the only composers he's familiar with are Mozart and maybe Verdi. I'm sure he has no idea what the fuck a Grieg or a Liszt is. DickTurpis
 * Slowclaps* Amazing. Marry me... ENorman 23:05, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * PS - Andy wouldn't like Gould due to having the same last name as Stephen J. If he's willing to bitch at relativity for being similar in name to moral relativism, I'd expect him to get onto that ENorman 23:07, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Besides, those Frenchies really have a thing for Gould. (one of their most popular pianists)... so you know what that must mean. French like you?  You must be gay.-- 23:24, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Godot, what the fuck are you talking about? Gould? Frenchies? Their? Gould is from the resolutely anglophone and anglophile city of Toronto. Not French, or even French-Canadian, at all...TheoryOfPractice 23:31, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Issues with anger management, TOP? He's probably the most popular pianist in France.  Watch your mouth, young man.  ;-)-- 00:10, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

"# 14 - Mozart wrote the opera, "Mitridate Rè di Ponto."" From here. But Mozart's obscure! Barikada 23:33, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * the Germans invented polka music, the peak of musical achievement. Dis this Mozart guy ever write a polka ? enough said . Hamster 23:53, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * While Mozart certainly isn't obscure, "Mitridate Re di Ponto" is an obscure opera by anyone's standards. If Andy is going to dismiss guys like Haydn, Vivaldi, and Tchaikovsky, there is no way he can try to pretend that opera is a renowned classic. DickTurpis 23:51, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I wish I hadn't read any of that. That's bad, really, really bad. But I suppose Andy doesn't care because few, if not none, of them are American. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 00:19, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I wonder if he will mention Sousa. Oh, wait, he wrote a piece called "The Washington Post" meaning he must have been a liberal and must be demonized. --Shagie 00:33, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Richard Strauss was German, he doesn't belong to the Strauss-clan of Josef, Johann I, Johann II and Eduard...
 * Herbert (von) Karajan was born Austrian, and became German with the rest of Austria (and some enthusiasm, I suppose, as he was a member of the Nazi party since 1933. But the whole thing is quite complicated.)
 * 01:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I would add a number of other British composers missing from the list - Elgar, Vaughn Williams, Britten, Walton, Tallis, Purcell, Byrd, etc etc. And anyone who has ever sung or heard Anglican Church music will have encountered Stanford and Parry and their ilk. And although you might not consider them 'great', Britain currently can boast two of the most famous contemporary composers, John Tavener and Thomas Adès. Oh yeah and you can add Palestrina and Gabrieli, a pair of extremely significant Italian Renaissance and Baroque composers (respectively) to the above world list. These aren't obscure composers, Andy, you're just ignorant as all fuck.
 * Nutty Roux - Boulez (pronounced "boolez" with the Z apparently) is a contemporary French musicologist and composer, my teachers mentioned his theorising quite frequently at A-Level. seventhrib 05:32, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

(unindent) Do you think Andy Pandy would apologise for polluting the internet with Nazi theories of music? This is what he needs to do, in the words of Verdi's librettist (sorry, Italian and therefore an untermensch). Honestly...!

Confutatis maledictis, Flammis acribus addictis, Voca me cum benedictis. Oro supplex et acclinis, Cor contritum quasi cinis Gere curam mei finis.

[When the wicked are confounded, Doomed to flames of woe unbounded, Call me, with Thy saints sorrounded. Low I kneel, with heart submission, See, like ashes my contrition, Help me in my last condition.]

Apologise, damn you, Schitfly! The Real James Brown 07:47, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * You lost me there: the words are from the wp:requiem, so neither Verdi (nor Mozart) needed a librettist when they used them...  08:01, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Quite true. But the guy who wrote the words wrote in Latin, which is the predecessor of Italian and therefore not German. Set to music by the un-Germanic Verdi. The Real James Brown 09:43, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Surely Handel was really English, I mean he wrote all his great works in England and used the superior English language for his choral pieces.  Lily Ta, wack! 08:53, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

And how did a name as obvious as Chopin get overlooked on the above list? DickTurpis 09:06, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure I'm following Andy's argument here, except for the fact that's he's going to defend "one nationality is better..." to the death. I can't wait to see which language he says is superior to others and why.--PsyGremlinWhut? 09:33, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * TUcked into all that is the dead horse, "A language can be superior, just cause it's what I speak, so there". Damn dead horse has been beaten to a pulp, Andy.  Are you that embarrassed over your mistake that you need to reinforce it each time you speak?
 * Psygremlin, in his Lectures a few weeks back, he did this whole thing on the development of English, and concludes that English is the peak of all languages, since it can 1) absorb new words, and 2) communicate ideas so well, just look at how much has been written in English. Pretty much, that was the entirety of his argument.  Of course, he also argued that Greek and Latin were "the best languages" somewhere else.  And anyone who dared challenge his ideas with facts got the typical "you are a liberal who denies obvious truth".  THEN, to prove his point, he went on to develop a list of "conservative words" that have been invented in English since King James.  Don't know what that has to do with English being "the best" either.  But, it's what he said...-- 10:04, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * The man gets more unhinged everytime he writes something. btw, anybody with a sock to burn feel like pointing out that the whole "one nation better than others" was the basic tenant of Ken's posterboy, Hitler. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:26, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What's the point? I was surprised, however, that Andy was so quick to dismiss the Austrians as obscure, because you know who was Austrian.  Nutty Roux 10:36, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh, oh, wait. I know that one.  "Maria" from the Sound of Music!-- 10:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I will bet you a goat that Andy not only knows little to nothing about classical music, but is also listing Beethoven as number 1 because of his fame. Beethoven is not even on my top five list
 * Liszt- greatest pianest ever, and created teh Hungarian Rhapsodies
 * Orff- The five Carmina Burana pieces I have on Itunes have over 3000 plays total
 * Verdi- Requiem Mass 2, Dies Iræ is one of the most brilliant choral pieces ever
 * Grieg- Peer Gynt, and also Concerto in A minor
 * Tchikovsky- Cannons.  Say no more.


 * Only then do we have Beethoven, who comes mighty close to being beaten out by Maurice Jarre, who also barley escapes John Williams, whoes Imperial March has well over 2500 plays alone. Sorry, Andy.  You lose.  User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 22:35, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Just a comment for the list above: Glenn Gould didn't change his own name. His father did when he was seven, though it did seem to be done in order to prevent being mistaken for Jews. Toronto had a bad reputation for antisemitism (according to Wikipedia). -- 22:25, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

<--- Ah, Lovely Ludwig van! The favourite composer of lovable teenage thug Alex. Do I see a similarity between Alex and Andy? From WP - "He [Alex] feigns an interest in religion and amuses himself by reading the Bible for its lurid descriptions of "the old yahoodies tolchocking each other" and imagining himself taking part in "the nailing-in". <font color=Blue>Генгис    05:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Loving TK's own list of composers, which seems to have stopped Andy in his tracks. Go on Andy, edit war and block TeaKettle! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  19:01, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Thanks for reading and responding, TK!  Up yours!   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  19:38, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Friday Saturday Sunday =3
It's complicated, especially when taking the Hebrew Sabbath of Saturday into account. Cripes, three years ago a friend and I tracked through the Bible to figure this all out. I can't remember whether we decided the chronology was OK or not. I think it might have been in retrospect. It all depends on what "3" means... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:29, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It is a matter of count vs measure. He died on Friday that is 1, he was dead Saturday that is 2 and he resurrected early Sunday morning that is 3, so it is three days if you count it. However he died late on Friday (around 3pm if I recall Sunday school) and was resurrected early Sunday, let say 6am, that comes to 36 hrs or 1 and half days as a measure. Most Eastern/Near-Eastern cultures count rather than measure, which is more a Greek thing. 65.60.9.250 23:42, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No, he died closer to 4:30. I remember because they interrupted 3-2-1 Contact to announce his death. That came on at 4:00, and I'm pretty sure the Bloodhound Gang segment was just beginning. DickTurpis 23:54, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I was about to point out that it actually sums to 39 hrs, but if you are right about 4:30 it is not a huge difference. My point really is that calling it three days to us modern people might be a bit of a stretch, but to the much smarter people who lived a long time ago and built pyramids using only a plumbline and bob it makes perfect sense. 65.60.9.250 00:00, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think he died closer to 4:20. Gettit? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:05, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Wait....what?....Oh...yeah...Dude! I think you're totally right!....4:20....totally, man...totally. DickTurpis 00:09, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

The day after passover is a sabbath day too. The meaning of "three" is not in doubt (the meaning of "days and nights" is - if it is day, night, day = 3 or (day and night) + (day and night) + (day and night) = 3). Glance at Talk:Easter for some fun I wrote there last year. The chronology is correct (and makes more sense) once this is realized. Good Friday happened on a Wednesday. --Shagie 00:15, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That was what I was trying to remember when I started the thread Shagie - that not just Saturdays are Sabbaths. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:51, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * All this hours stuff is complicated by daylight saving which takes away another hour.  Lily Ta, wack! 08:56, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well Jesus saves, so I guess that includes daylight too. <div style="display:inline; display:inline-block; zoom:1; *display:inline; margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-2px; position:relative; left:0px; top:0px; width:50px; height:30px; z-index:2;"><div style="display:block; width:50px; height:30px; line-height:30px; letter-spacing:50px; font-size:px; overflow:hidden; position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; z-index:3;">  [[Image:Xena symbol.png|Xena|text-bottom|50px]] 09:58, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I'm surprised none of the good Christians on CP have pointed out that this is Holy Week, not 'Easter Week' (which as any atheist liberal fule kno is the week after Easter). Cantabrigian 13:07, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * WIGOed I believe, with a User:Cantabrigan fer pointing this out. 19:22, 6 April 2009 (EDT) CЯacke ®

Who done it?
I missed it. When did Uncle Ed's "Thought of the Day"  vanish, and who vanished it? 02:46, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * JessicaT decided that the thought of the day really didn't need to become the thought of the couple days. Icewedge 02:51, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC)Jessica did. I don't know what has happened between those two, Ed used to be on here friends list, now she deletes his thoughts of the day and moves his less than stellar articles to essay "namespace". 65.60.9.250 02:53, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Thanks each: par for the Ed course: start something & then leave it for t'others. She's probably sussed his little girl proclivities strange fascination with teen films & realised why he took her "under his wing". 03:01, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Thanks Toast, now I am going to have to go home a drink a lot tonight to get that thought out of my mind. Ewwwh! 65.60.9.250 03:10, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'll bet on the exchange for demands for apologies for various things in WWII and commentary on asian cuisine that disenfranchised her with Eddie. --Shagie 03:15, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Where did Ed's rant about Nanking come from; talk about a non sequitur? I have noticed this odd editing pattern about Ed he will read something, and if he doesn't make a shitty stub article, he will raise it on an entirely inappropriate talkpage. He, like Andy, feels the need to place on the wiki any thought that passes through their head and wonders why nobody takes them seriously. 65.60.9.250 04:23, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He's had a bee in his bonnet about that for a while - he went on about Japan's occupation of Korea for a bit too. It might well be a Moonie thing, although looking at her last few replies, I think she's getting a bit fed up. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:53, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Pi, why is your sig a BON? 03:17, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I was hoping TK would block it; it is Conservapedia's IP. It wouldn't do anything, but it would be good for a laugh. 65.60.9.250 04:16, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I am not really sure how to take this. 65.60.9.250 08:57, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You mean this? 02:35, 6 April 2009 TK (Talk | contribs) blocked 65.60.9.0/24 (Talk) with an expiry time of 6 months (account creation disabled) ‎ (Using anonymous proxy: Siteground.com Inc. (a.k.a. SiteGround.com), Panama City, Panama)  You take it as TK doing his job of reading RW more than he contributes to CP.  Nutty Roux 09:00, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * But the thing is, the IP I am signing as is Conservapedia; has just range-blocked the server. 65.60.9.250 09:05, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think TK is having a laugh with me, according to Whois the IP is registered to some place in Chicago. And there I was thinking Andy was buy cheap IPs from Panama. 65.60.9.250 09:16, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Of course, this raises the possibility that TK simply makes up his block comments on the fly. Maybe whenever he blocks a US IP range he claims it's somewhere foreign just so people don't notice he's busy blocking the entire country. -- 09:44, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

LArron, can you run up a chart comparing where the IP's TK blocks are from comparing to where he says theu\y are from? kthxbai. Theemperor

Conservapedia's Most Wanted
Does anyone know why most of the top 20 Wanted Pages on CP are for obscure Old Testament figures? --Johann 10:46, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think TerryH was working his way through everybody in the Bible, so probably created all the redlinks. There might even be a template involved. However, he also seems to have chucked it in lately, leaving RJJensen, JessT, Conservative and Andy as the only people making substantive contributions over there. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If by substantive you mean copying a good deal of it from other wiki's, sure. Nutty Roux 11:10, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * These wanted pages are all caused by the addition of a navigation template. The paradox is that the more pages that are referred to by the template (and therefore have been created) means that the unwritten pages become even more wanted. It would appear that it's TerryK's doing and the templates (and probably most of the articles) have been copied from CreationWiki where he probably wrote them (I can't be bothered to check out the facts of this right at the moment). <font color=Blue>Генгис    18:03, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * We had a similar issue, for the same reason, with a number of Bible book guide articles. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:57, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Has CP shat itself again?
Not working for me at the moment. Anyone else? I wonder if it's anything to do with PI's IP thing above. Respect if so. StarFish 13:32, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Not working here, either.Czolgolz 13:36, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yup: "Conservapedia has a problem" --Sid 13:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I wonder if it has anything to do with TK blocking Conservapedia. Trent?  Nutty Roux 13:42, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, now, THAT would be amusing.  Whitehats - what say ye?   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  13:51, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I would be pissed-off in extremis if that's what happened as I had been long-considering a similar gambit myself. But respect my man if that's the case. <font color=Blue>Генгис    13:59, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, and the fundyloons are ofline for me also. <font color=Blue>Генгис    14:01, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC grrrrrrx100000000000000) That would be the greatest joke of all. Sadly though I think TK only does editing blocks, not reading blocks (which would stop CP reading itself...?). A more mundane, boring explanation is that CP is, yet again, en borque for some technical reason. Totnesmartin 14:02, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * (Sorry TM, it looks like I overwrote your edit) I remember working in Nigeria and one of the local employees would wave a bag of ju-ju bones over a piece of broken equipment that was obviously physically damaged (as in cut wires). He justified this procedure as "it was always worth a try". I think CPWebmaster does the same but prays first. <font color=Blue>Генгис    14:14, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * the edit you overwrote was the same as the one that made it, so no loss. I might try that juju bones idea next time my internet connection fails. Totnesmartin 14:20, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's working again now. Martinis all round! SuperJosh 14:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

THOU SHALT NOT WIGO TEMPORARY SERVER GLITCHES, SO SAYETH THE LORD YOUR GOD. -- 15:03, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

TK didn't break CP with the cunning block; a) MediaWiki blocks do not affect reading, b) one might assume it'd display a bit more graceful error message than a giant catastrophic site-wide banner, and c) the blocks are stored in database anyway, so in order to know that the database server is blocked, that should be first read from the database - extrapolate that how you will =) People without direct access to database or write rights to LocalSettings.php just can't do this kind of damage. This is a hosting burp. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:32, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

pixchure perfekt
Maybe has something to do with it all? (Highlighted area is search term I used then grabbed the cache of page. CЯacke ® 14:44, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

What mean this stuffs? Nutty Roux 15:13, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No idea - where are those juju bones again? Totnesmartin 15:31, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

We need to discuss it everytime CP goes down because some of us may need reassurance that we haven't overdone, er well whatever we do and been blocked from accessing CP. I'm sure none of us have done anything illegal but, er some of us may be in parts of the world where DOS is still legal. I'm also sure computer savvy RrationalWikians can deal with any retalliation better than CP can deal with DOS. Incidentally if you are blocked from viewing CP you can use proxies to view it even if the afforesaid Proxies are blocked from editing. Proxima Centauri 05:16, 7 April 2009 (EDT) Proxima Centauri 05:16, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Subjective/Objective
You know what Andy's problem is (Well, one of his problems) its that he seems to have no concept of objective truth over subjective truth. This first came to my attention when I debated him over the "foliage is beatiful" claim. He told me that denying foliage is beautiful is like denying 2+2=4. I tried to explain to him the maths is objective and beauty is subjective but to no avail. Now I see the same with his claim that Beethoven is the greatest composer. Andy believes it so hence to him it becomes objective reality that no one truly, or credibly, denies as it would be like denying 2+2=4! Ace McWickedRevolt 16:58, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Not to mention his claims about the inherent superiority of certain languages, religions etc, expressing sentiments similar to a certain historical figure... Jammy
 * The linguistic superiority is probably the most ridiculous of the insane ideas. However, he gets crazier and crazier the more he posts. So I think in a couple of years he will become completely insane and trying to grasp his thoughts will be dangerous to other people's sanity as well. So if Andy mutates into Giygas, somebody better buy me a beer for calling it. ENorman 17:57, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * A Mother/EarthBound reference? Bravo! --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  03:37, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * But isn't there even a grain of truth in the languages idea? If you want to express yourself in a language which will be accessible to the widest possible audience, wouldn't English be superior to, say, Catalan? Conversely, if you want to keep your messages secret, isn't Navaho the superior choice? --Johann 18:38, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * The superior language is the one I speak. It happens that I speak English, to a German the superior = German etc ... etc ...  18:41, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC)Linguistically speaking, Johann, there are no supeior languages. Languages are different, and those differences provide different approaches to the same fundamental problem of getting idea from person A to person B as intact as possible.  What you are describing is merely a matter of usage.  today, English is used throughout the world *because* the us, britian, canada, and Aussiland control much of commerce - not because it is a superior language.  400 years ago, it would have been french in that role.  1500, latin.  but one is not better at conveying ideas than another just cause there are more speakers.-- 21:07, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

What is truly frightening is that any kind of legal professional has to know the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, given that you have to know that in order to be able to intrepet any law. This could explain why Andy doesn't seem to do any legal work anymore and, of course, his inability to understand basic legal principles.--stunteddwarf 21:02, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Linguistics is not something I know much about but given that - Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo - is an entirely grammatically correct sentence it is hard for me to believe that English is superior to other languages in someway. I imagine that it is possible in almost any language to construct as sentence that is both correct and utterly meaningless to the listener. 199.33.173.1 21:15, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

In Andy's defense I have to point out that Beetovan is a dead white guy and, thus, is obviously qualified to be the greatest X. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 21:19, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

No, what's truly frightening is that I figured this out more than a year ago - and even managed to avoid burbling things like 'subjective truth'. Can't you guys do anything on your own? @Ace McAmazing - sit down before you hurt yourself. Alrite. 65.111.169.81 20:32, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Firstly its "McWicked", secondly - What the fuck? Ace McWickedRevolt 21:28, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

What change
I know TK is being sarcastic here "On another front, men are outnumbering women by more than 2 to 1 in the top jobs. What change", but i am like... hello, in the Senate, less than 20% are women, slightly higher in congress. And dollars to donughts bush had less than 10% of his high ranks be women. I would suspect clinton had about 20-30%. and before that? Zip, nadda, nacho. --- so yeah, it is "what change!" (and yes, i'm way too lazy today to actually look up the stats of women in any of these administrations or senate. ;-)-- 17:24, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Women? Jobs? Highly dubious. Next they'll be a-wantan to vote!DSFARGEG 20:01, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Obvious parody is obvious
Whoever got that parody in, congrats! It's been there for a while and not detected. I applaud your efforts, and wish you the best of luck in continuing the lulz under the radar! --Irrational Atheist 17:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I want to know what it is but would despise you if you told me in open wiki. <font color=Blue>Генгис    17:58, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Not mine. But a perfect Poe.  Perfect.  Teh Assfly believes every word of that entry.  Nutty Roux 18:10, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It hasn't been detected yet. I wonder whether they'll find it. The recent one that was Andy Jr. happened just as I posted the OP. --Irrational Atheist 18:42, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh my fucking gods! And it's been there for DAYS! 19:26, 6 April 2009 (EDT) CЯacke ®
 * TK will never find it at this point. Oh and poor Andy Jr., we barely knew ye!  Nutty Roux 19:49, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Not it, TK Nutty Roux 20:04, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Whatever it is, someone get a screencap before the blind chicken eats its wings or whatever that expression is. <font weight="normal" color="red">Etc 20:08, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Finally found it (I think). And it was worth the time it took. Poe at it's finest. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 20:09, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Wow, TK's on a witch hunt looking for the parodist and parodies. Look at all those bans, deletions and block ranges! Go, monkey, go! --Irrational Atheist 20:11, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Post a link, and then use revisiondelete to hide it from TK, so we can see it. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 22:17, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Did I miss something? What are you guys talking about? --Passerby25 00:55, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Ah ha. It is funny, but I'm spending too much time at this. Why can't Andy just fire off another letter to Lenski or something? Just dance already. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 21:16, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * We should have the SES application by now. Who asked for it from NJ? --Irrational Atheist 21:41, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

We have the images. Look through the upload log. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 22:39, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * How about we don't abuse hide/revision people, just email it to each other. 199.33.173.1 22:41, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

HR keeps it onwiki, and it's not abuse to hide it from TK. In fact, If I remember correctly, you yourself used it to inform Fret that MikeSalter still had block rights, when it would have been far easier to use email. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 22:48, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Who has been using hide/revision for what? 199.33.173.1 00:57, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It would be nice to be able to "hide bot uploads" at that log... should we bug Trent? Can someone else "write" it? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:49, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

AHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, Andy! T_T How can you be so funny and so obtuse at the same time? "Superior not just 'on what criteria you choose,' but overall. You're just babbling nonsense to deny that.  It would like a mathematician pretending that some numbers are not larger than others.  Some are.  Ditto for religion, as you won't admit that some religions are superior (and more truthful) than others.  Some obviously are. If won't admit things that are obviously true, then there's little point in trying to hold a logical discussion with you.  First open your mind, please, for your sake." --Irrational Atheist 19:03, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * WTF, Andy? You guys won't see that English is superior to other languages, so there's no point discussing who the best composer is. "Hence this debate ends before it even begins. Your view is like that of a child who insists that no number is larger than 4.  It's pointless to debate with that child whether 10 is greater than 9. I suggest you revisit your premise of artificial equality.  Just saying that different languages/religions/composers are equal doesn't make it so.  At Conservapedia, we're not afraid to tell the truth.  I suggest you start welcoming the truth also, and set your mind free." You dipshit, they're not arguing that composers are equal. They're saying that subjective opinion about who the best composer of all time differs between people. There's no "best," but many are "one of the best." What a lunatic! --Irrational Atheist 22:06, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

TK, I'm JSamuelson, what of it? --Irrational Atheist 19:11, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Haha, you got him. Too bad it was me... or was it? :) ...... :( ... <font color="#008080">tealish <font color="#FFBF00">??!!!1 19:37, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I love making TK dance for me. Who knows who that was? He already suspected him of being a vandal, so why not feed that paranoia? --Irrational Atheist 20:07, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * IR, just the diff wlll do - no need to copy and paste entire paragraphs to here. And don't WIGO your own socking activity, it's cheesy.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  22:21, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm commenting on the aspect that's hilarious. And entire paragraphs are fine to post on the talk page, unless something's changed. Not only this, but it has nothing to do with my own socking activity. I don't know who's arguing with Andy. I'm just laughing about it. Now go return to your rock and stop spoiling the fun here. --Irrational Atheist 22:39, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * My rock.  Your face.   Ho ho.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  23:50, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I cracked up at his mathematics comment, since he's doing the opposite extreme: like a mathematician pretending that some numbers are larger (i.e. superior to in every way) than all others, because they've never seen any bigger ones. (And that's without even addressing the subjective/objective issue.) Kalliumtalk 22:36, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Me too - though because not all pairs of distinct numbers can be related by > or <. Of course, Andy doesn't believe in i, so in Andymath... gawd, he really ripped us off by not doing that class. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:47, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Egads... Andy doesn't give up. Another user chimes in, explaining that subjective opinions still aren't facts. He gets labeled a liberal because he won't pick which language is superior. In a thread about music! You can't make up people like Andy. --Irrational Atheist 22:48, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Linguistic-supremacy-denial is now the Holy Grail of liberalism. Which means what, that we go on quests and fight Nazis to recover it?  Or that we deny its existence as being a silly fantasy.  Note how Andy is making himself the center of his fictional ideology wars.  Liberals are most keen on attacking his magical pet theories which no other conservative would ever propose, then again espouse .  22:55, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Someone should suggest Lojban. Watch Andy argue that English is better for clarity. Barikada 01:59, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm waiting for the upcoming article; language denial.  10:02, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Easter WIGO
For goodness' sake, people, check your facts! Holy Week (Easter Week if you aren't R.C.) began on Monday this week, and finishes this Sunday. There's more than enough genuine bullshit in CP already - you don't need to invent more. --Johann 19:37, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * A) Andy Schlafly is Roman Catholic, and added the edit to mainright template hisself; B) I thought weeks start on Sundays; 3) CP's own "Holy Week" describes THIS week. It's a fair WIGO and I'm enough of a conspiracy buff to know that my WIGOs have been consistently woted down this past month. It's enough to resign from the cabal...if there WAS one. Which there ain't. 20:45, 6 April 2009 (EDT) CЯacke ®
 * the time is coming for all the chariots to be polished as the Goddess flies around the world on her bunny chariot giving gifts of chocolate and mallow eggs to children everywhere. Hamster 20:02, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "Thank you easter bunny, Bockbock."-- 20:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Easter: The ritual spring celebration of Jewish Zombies. I will spend my Sunday playing Resident Evil 5 <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  21:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Years I remember, I usually listen to or watch JCS, following along with a few editions of the "original" libretto... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:22, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * B) Calendar weeks, yes. Note that the item was posted on Sunday, which according to their article was when Holy Week began. Even if you count it as starting Monday, it's a period of seven days- aka a week. C) Yes it does. Which is why Sunday's headline read "Easter week begins today." That's a contradiction... how? D) "conspiracy buffs" often thrive on mixing correlation and causation. (And how does being one help you realize they've been consistently voted down? You wouldn't have noticed otherwise?) Kalliumtalk 22:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

SES ap redux or three
I noticed that Neveruse has done uploaded shitloads of the SES application images, and clicked on a random one (Image:SES Application-0016resize.jpg), and lookee what I see at the bottom (might be on every page?): Conservapedia Fund Inc.

Time for more FOIA requests? Corporations are publically registered, principals are identified, profit or non?, and I'm pretty sure they also have to make public filings of financial info periodically. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:56, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No need for a FOIA; per New Jersey state website; Conservapedia Fund, Inc, filing number 0400272157, registered as a foriegn non for profit, probably because Andy's an idiot. From here.   09:53, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's a Delaware corporation registered to do business in New Jersey, which is why it's "foreign." That's just an old legal term of art that secretaries of state use.  Andy's a dope, but this isn't why.  In fact, he's a little sneaky, as it's very expensive to get corporate records from Delaware.  Most states make some corporate information available online for free, but Delaware doesn't.  Delaware is famous for being extremely friendly to corporations, and part of the reason is that you can't even find out who the officers or registered agent are without spending money.  Nutty Roux 10:07, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * According to the New Jersey site, we can get all the information for $45. Probably not worth it to tell us what we already know; that Andy owns it and is the only officer.   10:16, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You don't want it from New Jersey, which will only have whatever forms are required to register the corporation. You want it from Delaware, which will have the articles of incorporation and annual reports (altho it's such a new corp that no annual report has been filed yet).  Articles of Incorporation will identify officers and directors, as will other forms on file with the SOS.  Nutty Roux 10:18, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Why I'm not a lawyer.  10:28, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh shit... google Carol Seiter and look at link #2. That's creepy. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:59, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Really? TheoryOfPractice 23:05, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes. You know how we try not to "out" Andy's students?  It's better to look at google's little blurb, it makes it clearer. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:15, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Page 0005: "Student/instructor ratio may not exceed 12:1"... hahahaha, so much for making Andy richer. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:04, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * $95 per hour for one student? $40 per hour per student for up to 12?  (=$480 per hour?)  That's insane. Oh, and does he really have an official non-profit? --Too tired to log in 23:30, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Probably, but I should imagine that his "expenses" will be his wage and what ever he can get for running the CP server. 199.33.173.1 23:34, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

(ud)User:Irrationalatheist/SESApplication I've started typing these in on my page. I will try to tackle two per day. If anyone else wants to help, or organize a main page, please do so, so I don't do something redundant. I'm not sure how we want to handle the main page, but the layout's there. Comments? --Irrational Atheist 23:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Typing? Can't you just copy-and-pasta into a Word doc w. OCR? TheoryOfPractice 23:47, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I type quickly. Plus OCR software doesn't get the layout properly. Trying to keep it closer to the originals if possible, and wikify the output. Those pages took me about fifteen minutes. No big deal. --Irrational Atheist 00:07, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

SES Application Issues
(As I read, I have to vent. I know you'll all understand.) Ok, vent over. Well, for now anyway. Don't get me started on the state standards, OK? --Too tired to log in 00:45, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 1) Draft: "Five (5) students scored 720 or higher on the SAT II, and a total of eleven (11) students scored 600 or higher." Table on page 18: Lists only 10 students.  There were 30 students in the class.  Question: How many students actually took the exam?  What was their average score? Note that a 600 is only the 46th percentile. --Too tired to log in 23:49, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 2) I'm on page 19 and he still hasn't mentioned that his students consist solely of homeschooled kids, who are disproportionately from 2-parent families which highly value education. Each of these kids has a parent who makes it their business to oversee their schoolwork.  That might explain, for example, the 96.8% homework completion rate.  Dishonest much? --Too tired to log in 23:54, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 3) He claims credit for college acceptances, despite teaching these kids at most a handful of courses during their high school years.
 * 4) Discipline issues typically *are* rare for homeschoolers, because they generally don't have to take (or continue) a course they're not interested in. But again, a bit dishonest not to mention that these are homeschoolers. --Too tired to log in 00:00, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 5) Testimonial #2 makes me weep. "Because of its [Conservapedia's] unbiased point of view, I can always trust that what I am reading is the truth."  That alone should disqualify this application. --Too tired to log in 00:07, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 6) The assessment section makes it pretty clear that test questions are all multiple choice. --Too tired to log in 00:14, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 7) Did I mention that all this talk of SATII and CLEP tests assumes a college-bound student? Is that really true of the population this program is designed to serve? --Too tired to log in 00:17, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 8) Since his classes are at the public school, one would assume he'd OK'd this with the actual school, but there's no evidence of that. Does he realize they will charge him rent? --Too tired to log in 00:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 9) How does "Andrew Schlafly is willing to volunteer" square with the rather large fees mentioned earlier in the application? --Too tired to log in 00:35, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * 10) What on earth might be covered by the program's expenses? Cell phone fees, obviously. And a bit of printer ink for the reports and the tests.  Note that the projected incoming fees total $87,000 for '10-'11.  Not bad for 2 hours a week plus a bit of prep time.  Projected expenses are a whopping $55,000. That's a lot of printer ink. --Too tired to log in 00:42, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * So basically Andrew Schlafly, as the founder of Conservapedia Fund Inc, is going to hire Andrew Schlafly to teach students after school - at a public school - and Andrew Schlafly is going to generously volunteer his time to work out the pay roll tax for Andrew Schlafly's only employee Andrew Schlafly? 199.33.173.1 00:53, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Andrew Schlafly should give that Andrew Schlafly a raise. -- 01:08, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * With all that hard work Andrew Schlafly put into writing that funding proposal so that Andrew Schlafly could hire Andrew Schlafly, Andrew Schlafly deserves a raise. 199.33.173.1 01:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Andrew Schlafly is good enough, smart enough, and darnit, Andrew Schlafly likes him enough, to get a raise.-- 01:27, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes. High orbit would seem suitable. We could wave as he goes over. Not geosynchronous though: I'd pity the poor buggers who had him as a fixture in their night skySilvermute 01:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

All they (whoever's vetting this application) need to do is read Lecture nine talk. His refusal to accept that he's even slightly out of line on his "facts" damns him from the first. 04:33, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Re Testimonial 2 - that student has done the "Persuasive Writing" course. What in the name of sweet Baby Jesus can that be like? "To persuade others of the correctness of your opinions, insult and belittle them. The End" Cantabrigian 07:58, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What you want to do in future is put #: at the start of your comment. See:


 * 1) Stupid point
 * Comment on stupid point.
 * 1) Another stupid point.
 * The software is semi-intuitive. 199.33.173.1 08:06, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Much obliged to you, sir. Cantabrigian 08:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

SES transcription
I have pages 1, 2, 3 and 21 typed up. I will work on a couple more tonight. User:Irrationalatheist/SESApplication --Irrational Atheist 14:13, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm working on a queer user page medal for service on this project. If you want one, you'd better start transcribing!!@ <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 14:33, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Andy the linguist
How many languages is Andy fluent in? Coarb 02:13, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He speaks all the best ones. Teabag 02:21, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Good answer. You win. <font color="#008080">tealish <font color="#FFBF00">??!!!1 02:25, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He takes home the brand new car. -- 02:30, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Damn, I hoped I was going to win the goat. I already have a car. Teabag 03:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Car comes with a goat. Who did you think was gonna drive it for you? -- 04:03, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Goat Positioning System <div style="display:inline; display:inline-block; zoom:1; *display:inline; margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-2px; position:relative; left:0px; top:0px; width:30px; height:10px; z-index:2;"><div style="display:block; width:30px; height:10px; line-height:10px; letter-spacing:30px; font-size:px; overflow:hidden; position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; z-index:3;">  [[Image:Xena symbol.png|Xena|text-bottom|30px]] 09:40, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Just remember, when using the Goat Positioning System, stay clear of any large fields or stray tin cans, as this will cause your system to malfunction. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  12:14, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * And the smell? That's perfectly normall.13:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT) CЯacke ®

Conservative deceit
That was my Super Sock that got blocked for Conservative deceit! I was playing a game of conservatroll by myself while crying. I won. <font color="red" size="2px">SuperJosh <font color="green" size="1px">"some guy"  07:23, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Congratulation, you're my hero. What are you talking about specifically? 199.33.173.1 07:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't know! <font color="#FF3333" size="2px">Super <font color="#FF9933" size="2px">Josh <font color="green" size="1px">"crying into a flannel"  07:33, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Then why are you posting it here? 199.33.173.1 07:35, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * They recognise Conservatrol players fast and that game is best for users with dynamic IP's who can register with new socks after a block. Even then if you do too much they rangeblock you. Proxima Centauri 08:48, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * According to the rules you are only allowed one sock per game. 199.33.173.1 08:51, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

ClementB's composers
Well, Andy now has the evidence he needs to completely disregard ClementB's opinions on great composers.

He posted his list of the Ten Great Composers and included Shostakovich... who was a dirty stinkin' Commie red bastard! (Well, soft of, maybe.) Listing anyone with such suspect credentials will be enough to earn Andy's automatic dismissal. MDB 08:05, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


 * And ClementB's list is necessarily subjective, as A. Schlafly's list is the only objective one. So, while Andy states facts, Clement only gives his opinion... 08:10, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Andy is so deep into his "my viewpoints are the objective reality" philosophy, I wouldn't be at all surprised for him to declare the blue isn't just his favorite color, it is the most beautiful color, period, and anyone who disagrees with that must be a libb-burr-ull. No, wait, blue would mean the blue states, and those are all liberal. So he'll pick red, but that's the commie color, so he'll pick green, but that would associate him withe environmentalists, so he'll just pick white, and declare that anyone who disagrees with him is a racist. MDB 08:24, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


 * It is well known that God created the autumn foliage to please the eye of A. Schlafly, the objective beholder of beauty... 08:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


 * It is well known that God created Andy Schlafly.... and immediately had grave doubts about this whole "human race" idea. "If that's how these 'people' things are going to turn out", He thought, "perhaps I should just wipe them all out with a good, old-fashioned smiting and give the whole planet over to the dolphins." MDB 08:44, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I suspect that Andy's strange insistence that subjective things are objective has to do with not wanting to admit that alternate views can exist. Maybe someone could ask him for an example of something that is subjective, in his view. -Lardashe


 * I think its deeper than that. Andy believes that there's no subjective morality -- there's only moral absolutes. (Okay, I don't know if believes quite that strongly, but I suspect he comes close to it.) Now, that's a philosophical debate that's lasted for ages, and commenting on it is well above my pay grade. The problem is Andy has taken that belief way beyond all logic, and apparently discounts the possibility of anything being subjective. To him, there is no opinion; everything is right or wrong.


 * For instance, my ideal place for natural beauty is a tranquil day on a forested mountain in the autumn, with leaves at full color. (I grew up near the Great Smoky Mountains.) However, I perfectly realize that's only my opinion, and someone else might prefer a moonlit beach, or the desert, or a snow-covered pine forest, or whatever. If I were Andy, though, I would apparently view my definition of natural as the definition of natural beauty, and think that anyone who prefers the beach to the mountains is
 * a liberal
 * morally lacking
 * politically correct
 * -or-
 * all of the above
 * In short, he's an asshole. MDB 10:37, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Andy: Denying something is the same as not admitting something. It's like the old days again *sniff*  11:43, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I just love how he humps one irrelevant point for the duration of a debate on a unrelated topic. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 11:45, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No, Andy, you did not call the editor a child. You merely said "Your view is like that of a child who insists that no number is larger than 4." That's not a meaningful distinction. Junggai 18:09, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

I found Conservapedia because it was mentioned on the radio in Israel as an example of how the right wing in the US is responding to Islam and that people are still saying Mr. Obama is a Muslim and was not born in the United States! So I read Conservapedia and see the same article you are talking about here -- this Andy Schlafly lives in a fantasy where debate consists of badgering people with strange attacks like "liberal" and non-sequitor demands that people "admit" things in this language debate. Readers were merely trying to figure out why Andy Schlafly would say German composers are better than any others and he starts talking about "liberals" refusing to admit the superiority of one language or religion over another. I frankly find the fascination on Conservapedia with Nazis, Hitler, World War II, and now the superiority of one language or religion over another to be shocking. I knew there was a problem in the US with nationalism, but I thought its furthest extent was in perverting US foreign policy agendas in favor of justifying economic imperialism. Now we see just another example of something I was hoping was dead in the west for many years. I think Andy Schlafly is actually saying that English is superior to other languages and Christianity is superior to all other faiths! I personally like yiddish for its ability to both absorb words and ideas from other languages and its ability to influence other languages. I should be so lucky not to have found Conservapedia in the first place. You people spend so much time talking about it that I think you are encouraging paranoid minds.


 * Yiddish influences other languages? Oy, that's a load of schlock and only a schlemiel would believe it! MDB 12:13, 7 April 2009 (EDT)



Andy Schlafly, I am very confused. I thought I found a place where people are discussing Conservapedia and here you are spewing more hateful comments and non-sequitors. Please let others comment if they wish. I cannot believe you would continue this nonsense on another website.


 * Those are from auto-generators parodying Mr. Schlafly. If he ever posts to this site, it is under a very deep cover alias. MDB 12:16, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ay-Thang-Yew. <font color=Blue>Генгис    12:23, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I was seeing how long it would take to get an innocent user on CP blocked because of comments made here. Just a few minutes.  Way to go Karajou!  Nutty Roux 12:19, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh shit. The collateral damages is spreading. Karajou's blocking ShmuelBernstein's entire world.  As far as I can tell Shmuel only got 2 edits into Conservapedia, the second of which was asking to help, before I got him blocked.  Sorry Shmuel.  Nutty Roux 12:21, 7 April 2009 (EDT)