User talk:WaitingforGodot/Arch2

Back to the old home
Trying to jog the two accounts into one. it might take a few days. but "Hi!" everyone from this account.

ID&X
Nicely done. I particularly liked "some thoughts". Jack Hughes (talk) 15:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I've finally used my PhD dissertation for something!
Where? In what? (me, Michigan in history, in progress....) P-Foster (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC) Native American Theology (and lakota linguistics). from Colorado. it's not a good school or a stud degree, but hey, i liked it. the "lakota" quote of jesus' is my translation from some notes i found in the LOC by Buechel, a priest who studied teh lakota language.--En attendant Godot 02:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Next we need an article on black radicalism/anticolonialism so I can write about something that I know something about. P-Foster (talk) 03:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll start it...."Malcom X!!!!" I had a class in my master's level, on "millinistic movements", and one of the movements we had to study was the Nation Of Islam.  that's some radical stuff there..."[[Image:sun mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  04:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm a science geek, not a historian, but I find the history of the development of NOI to be fascinating. Doctor Dark (talk) 04:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I love me some science geeks! I "Liked" science, i suppose, in highschool and college, but it wasn't till I turned 35, and CGI really made shows from the BBC come alive aobut space and physics that i said "ohhhhh" and "ahhhhhhh".  i don't know much, but it's wack a doo impressive!--[[Image:sun mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  13:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The Indians.
Good work. Thanks. Will poke at it more tomorrow. P-Foster (talk) 03:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

TV historian
You play a historian on TV? What's the show? Any way to watch it online? 17:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, no. it's just from the famous 80;s american commercials, "im not a doctor, but i play one on tv". so i use that when I'm bored.  I'm just a boring legal researcher, who got out of academics cause legal research paid better than teaching classes on the Bible, Native Americans, and whatever else i could teach. ;-) I don't know who it is that thinks american profs are well paid. unless you are in things like physics, biology, medical research, etc., you ain't gonna make lots in the academic sector!--[[Image:sun mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  17:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. I think I've vaguely heard of or possibly seen those commercials, although I'd completely forgotten about it.  Not sure if we had them here in UK.  17:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We didn't have a lot of ethics here, so we would use famous "characters" as if they were their characters, to sell medicine. but then, some mid 80's or so, they cracked down, and you had to "fess up", that you were not really a doctor, but an actor. we be smart here in america.we not figure that out on our own.--[[Image:sun mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  17:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

new
Block me! :-) --209.180.248.226 (talk) 18:50, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that yours, WfG? Occasionaluse (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, so that if i figure out that we have static IP's here, i'd like to block this IP as a poster. I don't even know if it can be done... I know, i know "just watch that you log in".  but I'm an idiot. :-)--[[Image:sun mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  18:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Testing.
 * I permablocked your IP, btw.. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And by default, you're still allowed to edit your own talk page while blocked. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

ohhhhhh... no wonder. ok, testing somewhere else.

Autodidacticism
What sort of psych stuff are you reading? I have a huge laundry list of recommended (and non-recommended) reading in the field since that's what I do my lab lackeying in. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * my background is in linguistics (and mythology and religion... but they all play together well in my dissertation, so there), and i started getting interested in the evolution of language, but to understand that, you have to tackle the fully un-understood Theory of Mind. (what is an idea?  What is a memory?  What is self?) but on a scientific level.  I've just started, so i'm really at a "where do i go now" level.   is the article that got me into it... but i'm very very new at it.  so ANYTHING you suggest would be a help, just to figure out something more than "wow,this is really neat... our minds are totally cool".  ;-)--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  19:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting -- the linguistic side of things is a bit of a weak spot for me. The best writing on the philosophical end of things IMO is Douglas Hofstadter -- The Mind's I w/ Daniel Dennett is a good starting place, but Godel, Escher, Bach is his magnum opus. Steven Pinker has written a good deal on language. Chabris and Simons for perception. Elizabeth Loftus and Daniel Schacter for memory. One of my pet favorites is actually an obscure book that may be of interest considering your background called Shrinking History by David E. Stannard, which unfortunately seems to be very hard to find now. It's actually a debunking of psychohistory but, IMO, it provides a wider critique of pseudo-scholarship and psychology. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks. I love Pinker's Rational stuff, so I suspect his work with Language will be right up my alley.  After I read a few of these, and have a better idea what kinds of things I'm asking, I'll yap at you and see what else you suggest!--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  19:50, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, no problem. I can ramble about this stuff forever, though I often feel like I'm giving people homework assignments (plenty more where these came from). I guess you've also read Chomsky? Honestly, a good bit of his stuff is over my head. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 21:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, chomsky and i are best friends. Though i don't like much of what he has to say about language as a biological concept, so i'm eager to see what Pinker says (since wiki says "disagrees with chomsky).  but as far as grammar and really understanding teh underlying structure of language, Chomsky is 'da bomb'.  "homework assignments' heh. yeah, i've got a few of those on my table that i've given myself and never finished.  most relating to space including Sagan (who is an easy read actually), and some stuff about modern physics.  cries.   no one, not even physicists understand modern physics, i'm convinced. ;-)  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

High school textbook on gravitation
I heard that you speak Esperanto as a native and so is your dad who also writes books in it and translates books from and into. My question is whether you or your dad (or both) would be interested in writing a textbook for high schools on gravitation whith me while I deliver the knowledge of gravitation (right now I'm doing my PhD in it). I don't have any literaly skills not even know any language well enough to write a book iin it.

My "native" language is Polish but being all my school years and beyond interested mostly in physics and art I didn't pay much attention to language and that's why I don't know any well wnough. I've been also for over 30 years in the US where I picked up some English but it is all. The only thing I know well is gravitation, and electronic engineering, and sculpture, which are my professions. In gravitation I'm an amateur, that'a why I know it so well, as no physicists in my university does. I tried to teach it a few phisics professors and all said "if it were so simple, we would know it by now". And none beliewe me that Einsteins; gravitation is really so simple. Well, it is only hardly a century when it is around...

I know also that physicists paid no attention to gravitation in school considering it not worth of paying attention to since it is so easy. Only now they think too dificult to learn. Because in the meantime the Einsteins showed up and gravitation turned up to be different than everybody and his brother thought. That physical objects don't attract each other. It was a cultural shock. That's why there are no textbooks on gravitation for high schools. I mean real Einsteins' gravitation, not Newtonian "apparent" gravitation that even Newton himself didn't believe in saying that it is only math. As it was. False though.

Gravitation is actually really simple but different than 99.9% phisicists think: e.g. do you know that the "why things fall" is controlled by Einsteins equation $$E=mc^2$$ ? And this was not known even to Einsteins themselves (I say Einsteins in plural since I strongly suspect that main source of their theory was Mileva Maric, Albert's first wife, but it does not belongs to the story). My lame attempt on writing the story is in my essay titled Gravitation demystified, in which you may find more data on me, in case you were intereted.

What is your opinion on writing a high school textbook on the subject. All physicists have to go through the high school and there they pick up Newtonian prejudice that stay with them for the rest of their lives and then they "don't understand" Einsteins and become krypto creationists believing in the Big Bang, which is not even physically possible (from point of view of relativity). As most guys and gals in this wiki. Sad picture that I'd like to correct but neither know any language I could write this book in, nor (even worse) I don't have any literary skills.

In this wiki, because of not believing in the Big Bang, I'm considered an idiot (which is partly true since I'm an "asperger") despite I know Einsteinian gravitation in and out and know enough English to be able to explain it to anyone, even my grandma "why thing fall", but no one is even asking any questions, possibly because my alleged idiocy or they themselve know so little that don't know what to ask. Which happens.

Will you, "Waiting for Godot", or your dad, help? I thought about writing it in Esperanto, since then it may be translated easily to any language by someone knowing that language. I even started to learn Esperanto myself hoping that I can learn at least one language well enough to write a book without making impression that it is writen by an illiterate guy, since Esperanto gramar is so simple. It was when I met you and thought that you don't need to learn it since it is you native tongue.

I asked many people on RW already and all have more important things to do. So all (politely) refused. What about you? JimJast (talk) 03:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Read: "Will you help translate my crank theory into another language please?". <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 10:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Basicaly true with correction: the theory is not mine but Einsteins' and it only looks cranky to those who don't understand it. JimJast (talk) 11:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Your ability to understand things is limited not by your language, but by your choices and your desires. Your entire argument about "mrs. einstien" is ludicrous, not because she was not educated or smart, not because women are not able to be such big brains, but because as with most things, were your ideas true, they would have been long since speculated on or even discovered.  You say things like "it's proven that math cannot be learned after age X", which is as ludicrous as the prior.  Based on nothing at all.  You say you are doing a PhD work, but i find this highly doubtful since nothing you say outside of the physics that i cannot understand, has ever held sway with me as a person of intellect.


 * no one speaks esperanto as a native. do you have any experience in this world beyond that of a 3rd grader?
 * No where, on this page or any other have i ever suggested I speak Esperanto. I do list the languages I speak, and they are many at some level, but esperanto is not one of them.  where you come up with that idea reinforces my basic problems with dealing with you.  you do not actually understand anything you are reading or saying.
 * I cannot think of anywhere at any time I've ever brought up my father on these pages. He is not a linguist, but is in fact a minister.  If you want your phd translated into Hebrew, i suppose that might be at least a possible task, though not likely as he has no interest in wacky ideas of physices.  he is also, while being a minister, a lover of science and actually knows a few things about physics and math.  and yes, he learned them after being 40, like me.
 * When you take the time in life to actually bother interatcing with people in such a way that you present yourself as a person who cares, who listens, who understands, who does not make assumptions, who does not use others - then maybe they will respond differently. But not one thing I can intellectually understand, that has fallen from your mouth has been correct.  it leaves me dubious that anything else I cannot understand is correct.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  13:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Waiting, I'm aufully sorry. I was sure it was you who mention all those things about Esperanto. I must have picked it up from some Esperanto forum in which a women said that her parents talked Esperanto to her when she grew up and so it became her native language together with French. For some reason I thought it was you. Well, "errare humanum est".
 * I just want to add that Mileva Maric was a physicists too and bright enough to discover reativity, and fully capable of doing things that her husband couldn't as e.g. geting rid of constant &Lambda; from "his" equation while it turned easy enough for a sculptor with no training in GR.
 * Also that my algebra teacher, a physicist who didn't have much respect for agebra really said that it can be learned only by 19 years old meaning most likely that later one has too critical mind to learn such silly things. He said also that mathematicians invent a lot of useless things which later turn good for nothing.
 * I appologize again for misunderstanding with Esperanto and won't bother you again. JimJast (talk) 19:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Arrietty
As you're the only other human I know who's seen it - I have to ask - what did you think? -- PsyGremlin  15:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It was quite cute, but unlike Mononok or Spirited away, there was nothing to it. It is very much a children's piece, though anyone will enjoy it, but you do not walk away from it being changed, moved, torn, or emotionally connected like you do with those two, and you definitely do not just go "ohhhh" like totoro.  it's far more like pompoko and the witch and cat one.  just a cute two hours to watch lovely animation.  the eye candy aspect of this, however, is stunning.  Actually, now that i say "his", I think the son directive it... and i'm not sure who drew it.  I'll have to look it up.  Very much worth watching, but don't expect to walk away with that "oh my god, animation did that" feel of his more emotional works.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  15:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Very pretty to look at - the garden scenes and inside the house were amazing. The director was a newbie, Miyazaki did the screenplay. lol, I don't think he'll let his son near another Ghibli after the horrorshow that was Earthsea. Although it wasn't as much of a kiddies show as Ponyo, there was none of the Ghibli depth in the characters and a few things felt wrong. Arrietty meets that "outside" borrower - the first one they've seen and everybody's "Oh, ok then", the maid character wasn't fleshed out enough for her to suddenly become the token baddie - it felt a bit shoe-horned into the story. And the ending could have been... nicer. Sort of went out with a "meh" instead of a bang. Like you said - good, but not classic Ghibli. Now I'm waiting for the new Shinkai film. -- PsyGremlin  15:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The other thing that bothered me, which is unusual for a Ghibli, though they've never had this particular challenge - was teh inconsistance in aspect ratio. I know that is petty of me, but if she is X inches/cm tall, then the everything around her should be of a similar ratio.  But you look at her in the boy's hand, and she seems very small compared to what a sugar cube should be in his hand.  yet she can easily carry it, and put it in that bag.  I know, petty, right?  but so many things made me want to say "didn't you have a ruler while you were drawing, and little clay figurines to figure out how big a grasshopper would appear to them, and a lady bug, etc.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:21, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Chomsky/Foucault Debate.
Let's have a torrid affair. ;-) P-FosterThe Grateful Dead were neither grateful nor dead. Discuss. 18:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm game, if you can manage to bring them along for the foreplay!--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 18:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Gluons
Small world. I was in that one too, albeit very briefly. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll meditate your bevel! 16:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * heh. It amused me to no end.  i mean, i watched nancy (if that's the one you were on, or "fundi" if general) sit there and take what one person says, change it, move it, try to understand it, then spit it back out as if they knew it -- then tell the few people who really DO know their phsyics, "you are wrong, cause I say so".  heh. I most noticed it in the word salad of "gluons are energy transfers for the strong force and then the weak force is there too" or something.  Heh, i know more just cause of my love affair with Sagan, Cox, Tyson, and the South African/Canadian who's name I never remember but is like Turick.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  17:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I lost track pretty quick. Something about gluons multiplying... or whatever. It was just frickin weird. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll throw your Playstation! 17:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup. It's always that way with Ms. Nancy.  but she's just the same as the rest of them.  batshitcrazy. --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  18:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, your knowledge of physics seems to be improving faster than mine. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll pass your engraving! 11:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Only cause i fake it well. Give me google, wiki, and a few hours and i can fake it with the best of them. :-)  Though for the life of me, I still don't konw what a gluon is. but i suspect that's cause it's all just made up to make us think the various Hadron Colliders are not just toys and that the engineers didn't just spend the money on a trip to hawaii.  ;-)--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That would explain where Brian Cox got the money to do Wonders of the Universe from. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll forsake your Cadillac! 16:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly! I mean, no one thinks we actually went to the moon, sent robots to mars, or flew by Saturn.  those are just computer generated fakes so that the scientists could get together for a few months and drink and tell fart jokes.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  17:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling that it's a load of people who know fuck all about particle physics arguing with people who know fuck all about particle physics... <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll model your minefield! 20:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, i'm not the one to ask, since -joking aside- I'm not even convinced that the experts get QT. :-) I'm assuming Alasdair really does know his stuff... me, i just make fun of nancy.  though she invoked the "you know theology, bitch!, explain this!" on a different thread.  she really doesn't learn.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  20:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

that is so sweet
I'm sure Nutty would love to explore the depths of the drama-- 20:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I kinda don't get drama, in general. It seems like such a waste of energy.  To me, unless you are messing on a particular page I care about, it's, i don't know, "whatever..."  I'm currently "fighting" with editors about history, biblical authenticity, and christian historians, but i just figured "fuck it, it's a wiki" and let it go, rather than get too into it.  But some times this place seems to swirl around things, and just create what isn't there.  I can hardly tell who is kidding whom, who is serious, etc.  so i stay out... and edit.  ;-)--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  20:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Godot
Best part. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * if your french is even decent, try it in french - there's an added element, i think. Étant donné l’existence telle qu’elle jaillit des récents travaux publics de Poinçon et Wattmann d’un Dieu personnel quaquaquaqua à barbe blanche quaqua hors du temps de l’étendue qui du haut de sa divine apathie sa divine athambie sa divine aphasie nous aime bien à quelques exceptions près on ne sait pourquoi mais ça viendra et souffre à l’instar de la divine Miranda avec ceux qui sont on ne sait pourquoi mais on a le temps dans le tourment dans les feux dont les feux les flammes pour peu que ça dure encore un peu et qui peut en douter mettront à la fin le feu aux poutres assavoir porteront l’enfer aux nues si bleues par moments encore aujourd’hui et calmes si calmes d’un calme qui pour être intermittent n’en est pas moins le bienvenu mais n’anticipons pas et attendu d’autre part qu’à la suite des recherches inachevées n’anticipons pas des recherches inachevées mais néanmoins couronnées par l’Acacacacadémie d’Anthropopopométrie de Berne-en-Bresse de Testu et Conard il est établi sans autre possibilité d’erreur que celle afférente aux calculs humains qu’à la suite des recherches inachevées inachevées de Testu et Conard il est établi tabli tabli ce qui suit qui suit qui suit assavoir mais n’anticipons pas on ne sait pourquoi à la suite des travaux de Poinçon et Wattmann il apparaît aussi clairement si clairement qu’en vue des labeurs de Fartov et Belcher inachevés inachevés on ne sait pourquoi de Testu et Conard inachevés inachevés il apparaît que l’homme contrairement à l’opinion contraire que l’homme en Bresse de Testu et Conard que l’homme enfin bref que l’homme en bref enfin malgré les progrès de l’alimentation et de l’élimination des déchets est en train de maigrir et en même temps parallèlement on ne sait pourquoi malgré l’essor de la culture physique de la pratique des sports tels tels tels le tennis le football la course et à pied et à bicyclette la natation l’équitation l’aviation la conation le tennis le camogie le patinage et sur glace et sur asphalte le tennis l’aviation les sports les sports d’hiver d’été d’automne d’automne le tennis sur gazon sur sapin et sur terre battue l’aviation le tennis le hockey sur terre sur mer et dans les airs la pénicilline et succédanés bref je reprends en même temps parallèlement de rapetisser on ne sait pourquoi malgré le tennis je reprends l’aviation le golf tant à neuf qu’à dix-huit trous le tennis sur glace bref on ne sait pourquoi en Seine Seine-et-Oise Seine-et-Marne Marne-et-Oise assavoir en même temps parallèlement on ne sait pourquoi de maigrir rétrécir je reprends Oise Marne bref la perte sèche par tête de pipe depuis la mort de Voltaire étant de l’ordre de deux doigts cent grammes par tête de pipe environ en moyenne à peu près chiffres ronds bon poids déshabillé en Normandie on ne sait pourquoi bref enfin peu importe les faits sont là et considérant d’autre part ce qui est encore plus grave qu’il ressort ce qui est encore plus grave qu’à la lumière la lumière des expériences en cours de Steinweg et Petermann il ressort ce qui est encore plus grave qu’il ressort ce qui est encore plus grave à la lumière la lumière des expériences abandonnées de Steinweg et Petermann qu’à la campagne à la montagne et au bord de la mer et des cours et d’eau et de feu l’air est le même et la terre assavoir l’air et la terre par les grands froids l’air et la terre faits pour les pierres et les grands froids hélas au septième de leur ère l’éther la terre la mer pour les pierres par les grands fonds les grands froids sur mer sur terre et dans les airs peuchère je reprends on ne sait pourquoi malgré le tennis les faits sont là on ne sait pourquoi je reprends au suivant bref enfin hélas au suivant pour les pierres qui peut en douter je reprends mais n’anticipons pas je reprends la tête en même temps parallèlement on ne sait pourquoi malgré le tennis au suivant la barbe les flammes les pleurs les pierres si bleues si calmes hélas la tête la tête la tête la tête en Normandie malgré le tennis les labeurs abandonnés inachevés plus grave les pierres bref je reprends hélas hélas abandonnés inachevés la tête la tête en Normandie malgré le tennis la tête hélas les pierres Conard Conard… (Mêlée. Lucky pousse encore quelques vociférations.) Tennis !... Les pierres !... Si calmes !… Conard !... Inachevés !...

It's almost like a "Schlafly Mystery"...
Evidently, we've got a conspiracy on our hands... -- 04:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * terrifying. Let's not tell anyone, shall we?  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  05:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably for the best... -- 05:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What is most frightening is that this reappearance coincided with Flag day, and we all know that Godot is hardly patriotic in the "rah rah zip boom bah" sense -- so what is the relevance?[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 05:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Due to my fairly long absense (during which they assume we were plotting, I suppose) I don't know much about what's going on. So I will just chalk it up to Ty's paranoia and reference your name: Qua qua qua. Unless of course he means THAT plan. In which case, it's all about Flag day. -- 05:13, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * the Academy of Anthropopopometry must clearly be involved. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  05:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Either way, it's all inevitable anyway. Nothing to be done. -- 05:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely, evidence of sockpuppetry is best done by looking at which users disappeared upon the return of another. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll revolt your Subaru! 09:20, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Given my abhorrent spelling, and my love of the word abhorrent, I always figured i would be spotted instantly if i tried to have a sock. "all the world's a masquerade made up off fools, and philosophiers"  or so it's said.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  09:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All of my socks have independent personalities and their own idiosyncrasies of spelling and style to avoid just that. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll obliterate your mouse! 13:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

"? ?????? ?? ??????"
That'd be "? ?????? ??-??????". :) - LucidFox (talk) 14:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * oops. How embarrassing. I knew that, too.  And i can't even blame it on case use, it's just a bad mistake.  By the way, can anyone who isn't nativly Russian, learn to speak it accurately?  to this day i can't keep track of all the cases when I'm sitting here slowly working through Harry Potter, much less if i'm trying to create a sentence.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously, as a native speaker, I can't say for certain. All that I can say is that it's difficult -- it's one of the hardest European languages. Considering also that it's sexist and in some ways subtly loaded, I much prefer expressing my thoughts in English than Russian. - LucidFox (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Where I wish I were fluent, is the mental awareness of "placement" of nouns to mean specific things. On a very "Russian 101, Beginning" level, we learned that "Cat on Mat" has a different meaning than "mat cat on" would have... one saying "the cat that I've already spoken of", and one saying "a new cat that you've not yet heard about.  That kind of flexiblity with the world in description seems like it would be amazing to write fiction or poetry in.  But as i said, my russian is pretty limited to 1) reading and 2) "can you tell me where the bathroom is", and "tea with ice, please". [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  15:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I presume the second example is supposed to be "on mat cat". :) The difference is basically "The cat is on the mat" vs "there is a cat on the mat". You're basically right that Russian sentences can be affected in subtle ways by word order, but subject-verb-object is neutral and kind of the default and most common, and you can't really go wrong with it. - LucidFox (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, my text and prof said "svo" will keep you out of trouble. I'm doing good to say "undeclined noun" "verb with sorta correct conjugation" and "undeclined object".  But it ammused me while i was in school.  I watched "Prisioner of the Mountain", (Kavkazskiy plennik according to IMDB) and was able to pick up words here and there, but nothing at all near "undersanding it".  still, russian sounds so lyrical.  "someday", i suppose. :-)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  15:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I am not a fundamentalist. I'm not even Christian
And until very recent times (just a few weeks) I wasn't even religious. Yes, I was active for about a year, debated on abortion, and I was an atheist. Or at least I thought that atheism makes much more sense than God. It's only recently that I've begun to doubt about it. But religion clearly has no influence on my arguments. --Earthland (talk) 21:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Goodie for you, enjoy your search.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 22:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

For information
Pippa (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[
 * Thanks. I hadn't seen this yet.  I did see that the health care plan is going to require that there be ZERO co]pay on birth control!  it's slow to gain back what we had, but we are trying ! thanks.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Disney "Feminism"
Ugh, Disney princesses, I'm with you on that. At best, you might get a faux action girl. Besides the fact that the trope gets old pretty fast, I think the dominant male/submissive female standard (not just Disney, but as portrayed by the media in general) played some part in my own sexual identity crisis (my ideal woman knows how to rough up her boy ;)) in that we're socialized to believe reversing those roles is "wrong" in some way. It's kind of funny that I could Mad Lib my own name into a lot of what sub pro-BDSM feminists have written (Clarisse Thorn is my kinky hero) and it would more or less sum up my own experiences. I think I would take a feminism/women's studies course if I had to do undergrad again and then I could get college credit for my wall-of-text BDSM/feminist rants, lol. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember reading Dwaking (sp- i'm tired) in the early 80s and resonating with what she said on one level, and not on another. I love sex, even er... "kinky" sex. but i understood from an intellecual side, that there is such a power disparity that all sex is a kind of rape of "womenhood" if nothing else.  but we create this image of woman who has to be "pushed" to like it. the answer to "no, please", is to try again, and "convince" her that it's good. no wonder there is such a problem with date rape.   That said, however, i get and got so angry with these single minded feminists who said prostituion and bdsm and the like are all bad for women.  I never understood that.  sub or Dom, sex as fantasy, as play, even as total life style if that's your thing, is still about choice. if we trust that women (0r men) are grown up enough to live their lives, we have to trust that whatever they are getting from so-called "kinky sex" is by choice.  (this assumes, of course, all else is equal, and she or he really is choosing it, and not falling into it due to abuse or force).  but i've never read pro bdsm rants.  you'll have to share authors![[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  04:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dworkin, I imagine. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll confuse your pen! 05:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a few I still need to add, but check the "kink" section of my blogroll on my profile for more authors, but I still think Clarisse Thorn is far and away the best. The anti-BDSM feminists just fail hard at even understanding BDSM, though I'd say that's not even really possible because BDSM is really a catch-all for so many different things. Most of them don't even seem to be aware of the fact that female dominance and switches (people who play both top and bottom) exist. Basically, all they're doing is recycling the anti-porn arguments and attempting to apply them to a caricature of BDSM. I'm tempted to call them "faux feminists," as they remind me of Concerned Women for America sans the Biblical fundamentalism. But I don't see how shaming women for their sexual proclivities can be called "feminist" in any way. Here's one "Help! I'm a feminist but submissive" story. Most of them read more or less the same way, really, and so do the sub males, viz. "You can't be a true feminist if you like to be spanked," then just Mad Lib in "man" for "feminist" in the case of male subs. That's why I like to call it "Same shit, different poo bag." The BDSM as patriarchy meme even has a mirror image among the crankier men's rights types. You see, if you're a sub male, it's not because you actually like it or anything, it's obviously because you have been secretly indoctrinated by the feminazi cabal to be a tool of the matriarchy and you are a traitor to your sex. Same shit and so on. It's just another way to de-legitimize the sexuality of people they don't like -- it never seems to end.
 * @ADK: Yeah, most likely Dworkin (ugh). Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 05:55, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * lol to "if you are a sub male (gay, atheist) it's cause you grew up in a non traditional home" yeah yeah, what ever.:-) as for Dworkin, I laugh at how many people groan at her writings.  She taps into something very deep, and very real in our culture.  yes, she says all sex is rape, but i just found out today that ducks have 12 inch long dicks and make the female hurt, so she won't go off and "do it again" with some other dude duck.  Dworkin is not so far off, from one way of looking at it.  sex and "dating" and getting your bride is usually about conquest in some form.  more so before we all started talking about this stuff and opening up to what's really going on.  but there is no small reality that sex for too many women is "my job to keep hubby happy".  thanks christian missionaries and your think of england approach![[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  06:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm quite partial to some Maggie Mayhem, actually. I once stayed up all night just reading her entire blog cover to cover. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll vomit your President of the United States! 06:10, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Though this is why I don't like feminism when it's a prescriptive belief, much like when people push atheism as a prescriptive belief (which it isn't, in case anyone tries it). When they start saying what women should and shouldn't do and if they don't then they're not a feminist and are, therefore, under the thumb of the Mighty Patriarchy. If it's just "gender equality" then I'm fine with it (although why stick a distinctly feminine prefix on your ism, in that case?) but then there's some others demand you do X, Y and Z or you're damned, "Don't wear skirts!" "Don't get tied up!" "Don't ever marry!" and so on and so forth. Okay, so that's the extreme end of the scale but is effectively what they come across as saying. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll confuddle your cake! 07:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, what kind of feminist are you parroting anti-feminist memes? ;) The "all sex is rape" quote is a myth. My problem with Dworkin and her ilk is that their narratives remove agency from women and so echo many of the sexist beliefs they claim to oppose -- women can't think for themselves, if they like BDSM, porn, sex work, etc. it's obviously because they've been indoctrinated into liking it! (Once again, screams false consciousness.) I don't deny that exploitation happens (in fact, very often it does) in these areas, but I know it's total BS to say that women can not freely choose or find fulfillment in them. IOW, if you like something that's not a Dworkin-ApprovedTM act of sex, the patriarchy done it! In addition to that, they have a very heteronormative conception of gender relations (although I can't totally fault them on that since the anti-porn/anti-BDSM types are mostly of the generation before LGBT issues became a big thing). Exploitation of gay men or women by each other doesn't fit into this narrative. I can't speak to that specifically, since I don't know much about the issue, but I can give a great example in the femdom community. There is a fetish called financial domination, which is notorious for being rife with scammery for obvious reasons. (And on a side note, many reputable pro-dommes make a point of outing these scammers.) Of course, sexual exploitation is usually directed at women by men, but by looking at this exploitation in a solely heteronormative light, it makes us overlook things that don't fit neatly into the "male exploitation of female" box like the financial domination scams (about which I've heard a few real horror stories). I dunno if this makes any sense, but my basic point is that the anti-porn/anti-BDSM brand of feminism ultimately disempowers women and marginalizes many perfectly consensual forms of sexuality.
 * @ADK: I agree, but I will add that my impression is that feminism is moving away from that sort of thing and toward more sex-positive attitudes. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 07:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Financial slavery makes me facepalm, it really does... I have noticed they start to use "sex positivity" as a term far more than "feminism". This is something I quite like as it's inclusive and supportive at the same time, and as a result it's non-prescriptive yet educational - effectively everything most modern feminists think, but without the bad connotations of the "all sex is rape" types (yes, it's not what that many of them say/think, but it's what I've used for years to describe the hardcore).
 * Though speaking of dis-empowering and porn etc., my other half was having a discussion about porn with friends, who were pretty much all very "ewwww!! no!!" about the subject and one of them even made a bit of a feminist slant against it. So they replied that they (and I suppose we) often watch porn where the participants are interviewed before and after to explain what they do and why they enjoy it - essentially a very empowering thing, no? Although from what I can gather, this "ethical porn" trend is basically confined to the BDSM world at the moment, not least because some of it hits so close to the legality boundary that they have to ensure very clear consent beforehand lest they end up in another Spanner situation. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll hurt your deviant! 07:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What's your beef with financial domination? When it's done correctly, limits are set beforehand (like in any act of BDSM). Of course, I wouldn't touch any of that stuff on the internet with a barge pole for reasons mentioned above, but that doesn't make it inherently bad. I've also noticed the pre- and post-interview thing. I think that's good for the reason you mentioned but also because it pounds home the idea that BDSM is not abuse. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 07:47, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I do think Dworkin/MacKinnon/etc have some very bad arguments. For example, "Pornography degrades women". Some might, but I'm quite sure that gay male porn doesn't - how could it, when there are no women in it. And does women-on-men BDSM degrade women? It certainly might degrade men, but it seems a stretch to claim it degrades women. 10:14, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Unindent (there's a template for this, but i don't know it yet).
 * in my heart of hearts I really doubt anyone who says they enjoy making porn or being a prositute. but then I don't think most people enjoy being a trash collector or a waitress.  WE work to be able to live, and do things we love.  Porn is a job. It may or may not be empowering, but as long as it's not abusive, I don't see why it's not a great job for someone with the right "attributes" and "mind set".
 * I think i already stated that I don't think anyone should be more or less feminist for the choices they make in life. ADK, i think you said "if you have to *not* wear a dress or act a particular way, how is that free?  And while I think many feminists get off to defining the modern woman and her role, that isn't quite what I was pointing out in my reading of Dwarkin (again, i read her in the 80's as an undergraduate, and not since).  I found her criticism of society, our use of sex and sexism to get what we want, and the extreme power differences in most marriages, in goverment, etc to be something that resonated to with me.  "Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership."

Andrea Dworkin    Thanks for this convo on my wall, all. it's so fun to read and partipate in.<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 16:21, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think I'll have to write an essay on this -- feel like everything is coming out a bit disjointed here. I also think that BDSM is a positive influence on feminism in examining society -- one thing I find very interesting is that some of the anti-suffrage propaganda posters of last century could pass as softcore porn in femdom circles today. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:11, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You should. but doesn't everything ALWAYS come "a bit disgointed" around here?[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  18:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rummaging around for some sources, I actually came across this essay which actually sums up most of what I was thinking (and it's often the case that if you're thinking it, somebody already thought it before and better than you). This one is also worth a read. That pretty well covers the relationship of maledom with feminism. The femdom-feminism relationship is interesting as well, though much less controversial, esp. as many of the anti-BDSMers seemed to be unaware of or deny its existence. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 21:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * These deniers never saw condie rice? Dom for sure. thanks for the articles, by the way.  starting them tonite.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Dworkin's "All sex is rape" quote is not a myth. She did not say those exact words, but in chapter 7 of her book Intercourse, she said, "Violation is a synonym for intercourse," which when viewed in context means that in a "patriarchal society," men view all sex as rape, and furthermore that women who engage in it are gender-traitors. 21:43, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * A friend of mine recently pointed out an article in one of those Love It! type magazines where their resident sex columnist met a 24/7 couple. While the article itself was basically "it's not for me, but these guys are so happy" the editors comment at the beginning was all about how women have done so much to get ahead and this silly woman was throwing it away. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll forsake your couch potato! 15:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That soooo ticks me off. I mean, i think it's repulsive to act like an animal, be told you are nothing of value *all the time*, or worse (and i've read some totally dehumanizing things like choosing to be a human toilet each morning... um, ok...).  But in the end of the day, repulsed or not, if I am going to say that people have a choice how to live their lives, then I can't say "except the ones who live lives I don't like."  My persona relationship with the husband unit is happy.  But it's probably not what most people would say is "healthy".  We are open about "things" that may "happen" in life.  and i'm fine with it.  the idea that open conversation is worse than having hidden affairs is mind blowing to me.  yet i've been told that it's an "abusive" relationship because he does not "respect" me.  I've been told "no one should live *that way* (what ever that means)" because THEY don't think it's healthy.  all the while these same people who are telling me how bad my life is, statistics say they or their spouse is cheating - just not telling them.  I'd rather if he "cheats" whatever that means, I know about it.  I'm apparently "wrong in the head" to think so.  ;-)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

A very important e-mail
You know the drill. BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 01:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

For your work
Good job on greatly expanding the abortion category! ?y No 03:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You should have given her ginger beer! HollowWorld (talk) 03:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * oh, Ginger beer! Thanks.  You all need some female perspective around here.  I know Pippa is here, but i don't see her free to edit much. (You have to be bored, i think... and have lots of time), and HW there, but she too seems like she has a real life.  I *think* that makes up the female contributes here.  Maybe that's the Trouble With Trolls.  Not enough women to distract the trolls.  ;-)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:09, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * MordantMaenad used to be very active, but not so much in recent months. Dumpling is female. Most of the female editors have either left or only pop in once in a great while. ?y rannosaurs 14:12, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a very testosterone world around here. geek style.  with tons of pissing contests.  Drives me batty, but I just mostly ignore all the infighting and desire to ban this guy and cage that guy, and delete this page and....  Luckily, those political games don't effect the editing world too often. But i do think it makes it harder for women to want to stick around long.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A number of our female editors have gotten right in the middle of said pissing contests, or even started them. 02:44, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * How many are there anyways? O_____o...--Dumpling (talk) 02:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 27 in the RationalWikiWiki "Female RationalWikians" category, representing 25 editors. By my count, there is some doubt about the gender of four of those (of which one is a troll and one a parodist), four are noted more for being drama queens than for editing in other capacities, and three more — all major editors — have been at the center of some of our largest conflicts. So it is rather difficult to place exclusive blame for such happenings on testosterone; I would intead chalk it down to a mindset prevalent among the (self-selected) group of avowed atheists. 03:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can recall 3 or 4 others that don't have articles and are active, but that's still not that many. ?y Yes? 03:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Election
You're not working for the Official Monster Raving Loony Party, are you? Because if you're not, you should be. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 16:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OH, I need to work there! No, our clients are much more mundane.  The legal office i work for, represents school districts, Fire departments, Water and Sanitation districts, etc.  We are all those millions of tiny taxing entities that make your property taxes go up each year, just cause we think you should have clean water, and some fire equipment that works. (If i'm bitter sounding, it's cause i just got a long winded letter from a constituent about how we spend money on our "pet projects" (I guess, like fixing the piping in that mountain community), and how we over pay our employees and board (the board are volunteers, but we do pay them 10 dollars a meeting for gas money to get to the County Seat from their small towns), and we have 3 employees who work part time in the winter, clearing the roads.  sighs............. I hate the so-called electorate, Neb.  I really do. :-)  I'm virtually certain this guy is not registered to vote, but i won't know that for 3 more weeks.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Posted OMRLP on my facebook page.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 16:50, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Is your constituent a crank, or just one of those people who copy-pastes form letters from think-tanks without much thought of his own? 16:57, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Small town Colorado. so yes to both. There is this very strong "tea party" "I don't care what you need, government is too big and you tax me too much" attitude in the small towns and non corporate faming / ranching parts of colorado.  it's 100% rhetoric.  "the government is too big".  but no real though into what services the government actually DOES for you.  Making sure your air and water are clean.  making sure airplanes don't crash into other airplanes.  Making sure the fertalizer you use on your plants won't kill you, and that if you eat food and have a peanut allergy, you'll be able to look at a food package and say "ah, no peanuts".  Trusting that the road you are on is safe, or that the employee at the bank knows the laws about embezzlement.  But they don't care.  They think their taxes are "too high", in some vague ass way.  These are the people who tried to put a law on the books last year, that said "No government entity at state or lower level, may ever take out any loan, or make any contract, including inter-department loans, or request for equpitment from the federal government without a vote of the electorate".  Hello, what do the think we use loans for? generally things that aren't planned, like, i don't know - large fires, hurricanes, tornadoes that take down teh local school building.  port-a-poties to fill the need for toilets when the plumbing in a school goes batty.  .... So, no.  they do not think.  and yes.  they are cranks.  1/2 a state filled with them.  we are a very psychotic state to play politics in.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  17:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No need for a nanny state, I can test my own food for botulism! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe the ones who manage to think have some sort of idea about how such services will be provided by private entities (e.g., Underwriters Laboratories) after the beast is appropriately starved. R.J. Rushdoony envisioned the return of the church's social safety net, which he said had been gutted by government initiatives in a process that made people dependent on the government for aid.
 * What I find highly ironic is left-wingers, well-known for their extensive documentation of and diatribes against every form of "power structure," becoming hysterical about the activities of "anti-government fanatics." 17:34, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Living space
I had no idea that you lived in Boulder. We're practically neighbors. I live in Wheat Ridge. :)  00:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm actually on the border of wheatridge / northglen. we bought our house here.  we lived in Boulder when i was teaching.  I'm up near the "new" shopping center at 104th. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  01:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Feel Better.
B?maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 01:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My own kittah has been sharing the bed, reluctantly.  "why are you home. this is my bed during the day".  ;-)--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  01:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Sysop, Ninja, and bot
If you want it ask Nx or a mod. Or make 300 edits in one day. That works too. ?y Serious Business Guy 01:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, i don't want to be a bot, or have a status. I just was laughing cause it sounded funny "x has changed to a new group" and i wanted a RED WARRIORS group, full of bitches.  heheh.  it was just a joke.  I'm stoned on lack of quality sleep.  that's my excuse anyhow.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  01:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm high off caffeine and general anger. Wheeee! ?y No 01:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, caffine! that's what i need.  I've got the anger, that's defacto when writing about things like abortion, the bible and I don't know, "how native people are treated".  but the caffine, that's needed.  off to brew a good cup'a.  i assume you take yours via coffee?--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  01:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "Orange and passion-fruit" green tea. And dark chocolate. And I'm angry at my family, at RW, and at Louisiana politics. ?y Yarrr 01:51, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lousianna even HAS politics?  ohhh dark chocolate is a killer way to get your caffine.  what brand?--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  01:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Louisiana politics consist of two far-right candidates from different parties trying to out conservative the other. Our delightful selection this year consists of Bobby Jindal and his token opponent, a female school teacher with exactly the same pro-life, family values, social conservatism platform except without the tax and budget cut fixation. Giradelli or some such, I usually loathe chocolate except dark or hot cocoa. 35C is not good cocoa weather I assure you. ?y communications wire 01:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

J. P Holding
Are you going to help edit that page? Do you know this guy?

THX

In the begining, God created... me. And He said I was awesome. 02:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * never even heard of him.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 05:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks........
For editing this (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/National_Association_for_Research_%26_Therapy_of_Homosexuality).

The article looks very polished know, especially considering that it was a stub.--Lefty (talk) 16:53, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all an illusion, thanks to those = = = = signs. they make it look "professional". hehe.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

A delivery of woo just for you
Since you seem to like the alt-med stuff, I started a page on another staple of quackery. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Irony - the first and only real "diet/health" scam i fell for was "Green Food" or "Super food" which was 75% Chlorella and teh other 25% "stuff". you do not want to know what an algee shake tastes like.  And no, it didn't do anything for me, but lighen my pocket book and make me the uber skeptical gal I am today. ;-)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  18:45, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The first time I saw it was as part of some detox diet regimen on the e-mail forward circuit, so I sent the forward back with a Quackwatch link. Then I got a response reading "Wow, if that shill hates it, it must be great! Ordering some now." [[Image:Facepalm.png]] Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 23:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit count
Mean mean mean. They hate that, esp. when you put namespace percentages. ?y talk 19:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw, if you want to link to your own edit count, use Special:Editcount/WaitingforGodot -- Nx  / talk 19:47, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not normally so petty, but other than RU-486, which got hard to write for a variety of reasons, I've never left anything undone. I mean, I don't think I'm a great writer, so there's lots of copy editing people do (which I in turn do for them), and lots of people add/redact/challenge my view on, etc., and that's all valid criticism.  but to call me out for starting an article in Main space that was finished within 3 hours of starting it????  (finished as in "as good as I'm going to make it", not finished as in "I'm Douglas Adams and here's "Life, the Universe and Everything".)  anyhow.... :-)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, NX (or anyone) what things make up the "Project" edits. I couldn't really piece that one together...[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Project is an alias for whatever the wiki's name is, in this case RationalWiki, e.g. Project:About -- Nx  / talk 19:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The RationalWiki namespace, primarily the Saloon Bar, Chicken Coop, and non-CP wigos. ?y talk 19:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. salon bar... no wonder that % was so high.  I have no excuse for why I'm so pissy today, by the way.  maybe i just need chocolate.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  20:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Take your pick
....
 * Enjoy.--Dumpling (talk) 20:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ohhhhhh, drolling. those look so much better than teh "kisses" i ended up with.  we have crap for chocolate in Denver.  We used to have a small chocolatier, but it closed - no business or "too expensive" cause they actually used quality chocolate, fresh ingredients, hand made.  THANKs, though.  wanna move to France or Swizerland or Brussels with me?[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  20:39, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * YESSSSSSSS! The chocolate there is magical~ LET'S GO!--Dumpling (talk) 20:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * When my husband was courting me, he sealed the deal by a Chocolate Tour of France, as it were. We hit all the perfect spots in Paris (Maison du chocolat, Patrick Roger, etc) then he took me to visit his aunt in Brussels, and his best friend in switzerland.  I don't think he *intended* it to be Chocolate World - but it was. :-)  I was bummed that we were one week early (or late, can't now remember) to go to the Grand Salon du chocolat.  pouts. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Awww~ That's so sweet (literally! Haha). I'm rather jealous! Goodness. Wow. Just imagining all the rich chocolately goodness makes my mouth water. Pity you couldn't go to the Grand Salon du Chocolat! You should take that chocolate tour again and stick me in a suitcase. --Dumpling (talk) 21:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * YES! Here's the hardship of marring a foreigner.  we HAVE (oh the humanity) to go back to Paris every two years, to settle his taxes, or prove he's a citizen or some such paper work.  (It takes less than 1 hour, but it's 18 hours away from us).  So on the condition that I can put up with a very controling, very mothering, very opinionated asian mother-in-law, I have free room and board there... so we can spend all our  cash on music, concerts, food and yes chocolate.  New regulations limit me to 50 lbs in one bag.  But if you can starve yourself to fit, just imagine how much chocolate you can eat! --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha. No kidding. Being a FOB is rather annoying. I have to get my VISA renewed every 2-4 years. But I don't know whether or not I want to be a 'Citizen' in the US, although I can sign up for it in 2 years. It'd make things easier, but at the same time, I'm not sure whether I want to move of the country. Oi. Your mother-in-law is Asian. Bless your soul. Hopefully she's not too over-bearing. Haha. And as long as I can fit! I'LL DO IT! XD --Dumpling (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you married to a citizen? or here for school/work. Vic is married, so as far as US goes, he's set.  but the French paperwork has to be filed.  and trust me, i don't complain.  Now, had he had to do vietnames paperwork... that would be a different story.  Asian mothers.  "You need to lose weight, you're a big big girl (and I am), and by the way, why are you not eating, do you not like my food!"  seriously.  said within one sentence of each other.  And teh religion... oh god, the religion.  I'm an atheist.  vic is an "apathetic-ist" (he doesn't give a shit - but sure doesn't believe in religion or god), and his dad was sorta like him.  but his mom?  She drags me to the temple, and gives me books, and makes me bong the bong.  sighs....   Hell hath no fury like a 4 foot 8, 82 lb 80 year old women who's dauther in law is a white fat chick.  ;-)  She is annoyingly sweet, at the same time.  it's impossible not to adore her.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha. I'm not married! I'm only 19. Haha. I was originally arranged to be though. But that's of no difference now. Long story really when it comes to the complications that come to my family. Anyways, I was born in Korea, and I finally settled in the states when I was 6-7 ish, but I was to be sent back to Korea when I was 16. After a lot of...troubles I somehow managed to stay in the states. But I have to keep renewing my Visa. Anyways, Right on the dot when it comes to the Asian mothers. Haha. The elders in my family were either Christian, Buddhist, or Shinto. I was raised all three. They're pretty serious about religion (especially the women, not sure why). But yeah. My mom is 4'9'' And she's pretty threatening for a 51 year old woman. She has her good moments though.--Dumpling (talk) 21:52, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just turned 41. I'm grupy these days.  damn 19 year olds with endless energy and non-crushed dreams.  ;-)  turn fourty and you say "oh, god, another 20 years of working 9-5? "  So were you to "go back" cause your family wanted you educated/raised in that part of the world for your late teens? or just cause the US wanted you out!  And 3 religions?  Damn, girl.  one was enough for me.  None is quite fine with me.  I never met my father in law, but i hear he was very comfortable as a French-asian, for all he was vietnamese only.  he learned the language, his first marriage was to a frenchwoman, he loved cooking all kinds of foods, etc.  But my mother in law is very xenophobic, i guess.  really sticks with her Vietnamese family and community.  hesitates when she speaks french (or so I'm told, my french is not subtle enough to pick things like that up).  and religious.  It really is quite different between teh men and women of their generation.  She hosts young people (who help her keep house, and do small tasks, and email my hubby and I, etc., in exchange for a place to stay while they go to school in paris), and they do not have the same attitudes as the adults her age.  They would be your age, but from Vietname.  they are modern, women-are-equal -- do-your-own-damn-laundry types.  And from what the girls living with her have said, she and their moms and grannies HATE the new "strong" (that's not how they describe these girls) women.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha. I think I've had a lot of crushed dreams, but that's okay, I'll use my endless energy to conjure up new ones. Anyways...It's...Well, I suppose I'll try to summarize it as well as I can.
 * My dad is from Peru. Mom is from Korea. Mom is from an Aristocratic Korean bloodline and was arranged marriage. But going against family wishes, she married my dad. Had me. She was disowned. Dad was accepted to Johns Hopkins in the States for free, the only thing they needed was money to live. Which they had none of now since she was disowned and father had enough savings for books and such. Grandfather saw this as a business opportunity. I was taken in by my grandfather and step-grandmother to be raised by him until I was 6, while he gave my mother back her 'position' in the family, allowing her to have some access to the family branch bank. Grandpa is a serious business man, so he wanted me to go into the business and take over. Which is why I moved all over the place when I was little, learning different languages and such. Went to the states when I was 6 to live with my parents. The original deal was that I would take over the family industry, so I would require more training, meaning I would have to live with my grandfather in Korea again. Due to family drama and lots of people against the idea of me (Mostly the elders)...I simply stepped down and politely refused the offer. Childhood was not fun. And yes. 3 religions. I'm not really religious, but I will respect it. And yes. The old baba of the older generations don't like the idea of 'stong' women. I can't say I'm strong, but nor am I really the ideal 'submissive' Asian wife they would want me to be.--Dumpling (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Job quote
I just read the quote you put on Job, and that is the funniest goddamn thing I ever saw.-- 13:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Reason and emotion
You would probably find Damasio's somatic markers hypothesis and cognitive dissonance theories interesting. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * oh, thanks![[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 00:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's my job...literally. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Studying the mind? or sharing ideas with wayword posters.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  00:59, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A bit of both, I guess. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 01:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Documentaries
I was just stumbling around this website when I saw your user page and your documentary list. Might I suggest 180 Degrees South: Conquerors of the Useless --DurbinatorAn armchair calls to you 00:04, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks. let's see if mvgroup has it!.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  02:00, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I love my Blue Planet box set. ?y talk 02:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * we are buying blue planet blueray for our folks for xmas. It's amazing.  right now I'm watching a "french realist" drama that is basically a quasi documentary of a french teacher's experience in inner city paris schools.   Sadly, it's as bad there as LA, Chicago, NY here.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  02:04, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Mine was pretty bad. Lacking a television and lacking a computer that can run netflix means documentaries are pretty hard to come by. ?y talk 02:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with your computer?--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 02:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Netflix uses silverlight to play movies. Despite there being a clone for it on linux they refuse to allow streaming. There is a workaround, but I lost part of it. ?y talk 02:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * mygroup.org (you'll need to create an account, but it's free). I think linux can play avi and mkv, right?  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  04:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Nom
Just letting you know that you've been nominated for moderator. Go here to accept or decline. Cheers. 03:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Great that you've accepted, now can you bold your name and attach four tildes? 04:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I hate to be a bother
But can you please run spell-check every so often? Thanks. 14:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I actually do, not that it helps much. I have google which redlines all my typos and spelling errors.  Sorry it's a bother, and i know it is. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. 14:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and I will try harder. (well, on actual article pages.  i don't really give a shit on talk pages...)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:31, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that you care, but "google" should have been "Google Chrome". sighs. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:31, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, poor spelling means that people might not take you seriously. 14:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I couldn't give a shit on talk pages either. Not that a slight case of OCD and those squiggly red lines will let me. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll explode your rabbit! 14:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit con, this isn't to you, ADK) Well, that's their issue, not mine. I am not trying to impress anyone, just edit a wiki, and yes, if what i edit has to be re-edited, then that's a serious bother for someone, and really a valid point.  but if it just that it "makes me appear stupid", that's fine, we'll talk of other things like Harry Potter or the best crayon to use when doodling.  Truly, you would have hated me before Chrome and Firefox put the red-lines under my words.  Dyslexia, it's a bitch, or not.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. Now I'm curious why you saw typos, came over here to ask WfG not to make them and tell her people might not take her seriously, yet didn't bother to fix a single one. 14:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * (EC)Given the high quality of WfG's contributions I have no problem with her somewhat idiosyncratic approach to speelign. One of the ways in which I contribute is to occasionally copy edit for her. WfG, carry on with, at the very least, this editors profuse thanks for all your hard work. Bob Soles (talk) 14:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like to join the conga line of people who are sick and tired of WfG and her ways of "spelling" things. If your not going to do it right, GTFO. Occasionaluse (talk) 14:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, seriously? So having to catch some spelling (and comma) errors, is that big of a deal to you?  shessh....
 * Hi, I'm Occasionaluse. Occasionaluse (talk) 14:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit con again) OH, don't make it a biggie, Nutty. :-) It's truly not.  I got over my limitations years ago.  and now i have red squiggles... so it's much much better.  I sware you should have seen me back in the day of Native-L list serve.  (do they even do list serves anymore?)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not tyring to make a big deal, I'm genuinely in the dark yet drawn to challenge weird hubris like takes to notice a problem but spend more time bringing it to someone else's attention than to fix it. It's from my years as a partner track lawyer supervising associates, which I hated so much I nearly quit practicing law.  14:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Sheesh you people are sensitive! I'm sorry I even brought it up. My apologizes Mr. Roux and Ms. Godot. 14:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Which brings us to you, Mr. Childermass... Occasionaluse (talk) 14:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey wait a minute, calling me sensitive offends me. ;-)  I did say i'd try harder where it mattered, sheesh...  (and if you can't tell by all the smilies and the winkies, i'm generally a silly, insignificant, wackadoo... it's all good.  (unless you are ASL or lsf, in which case "all good").[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  14:57, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Now you're being a bit strident. There's nothing sensitive about asking an obvious question. You still haven't fixed any typos, yet you've spent more time here than it would have taken and you're the one who knows specifically where they are. Why is that? 14:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fuck it. Tell me where the typos are and I'll fix them myself. 15:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but in the time we've talked, I've edited 7 more pages (yes, sick as this is, it IS relaxing to do research and edit things) - so I'm sure you can find some. or here, i'll make one  just for you, Nutty, cause i love you to death... "teh".  (ok, that was annoying, i went to type my teh like i always do, and the one time i WANTED a teh, i get a the... stupid ass fingers)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  15:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * An example. After every major edit, there are quite a few minor copy editing ones. As this is apparently a sensitive topic, and the second time I have been chastised for making such observations, I shall discuss it no longer. 15:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, not sensitive. Puzzling. I can only assume you're just lazy at this point since you're not answering why you ignored them in the first place. @WfG I've made some client calls, returned some emails, and drawn a dashed line across my wrist for when I get off work and can find a bottle of vodka, some razorblades, and a hot bath. 15:20, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So.... after every major edit (note, major edit), there are minor edits to fix things. Minor edits.  And some people like pippa and ty fixed things i had not yet fixed.  hum... ok.   and?   What exactly is your problem, are there still errors?  I'll  run the entire document through a spell check, if that's what is going to make you happy.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So I gotta say, i really don't see what your deal is. I stuck HERN into MS Word and did a spell check.  There are, right now, no spelling errors.  I'm sure there are thousands of comma errors, but truly I'm not the only one who does that.  So, unless you are Ty or Pippa, who swept up after me, I just don't see why this is an issue for you.  I get why it's an issue for Ty and Pippa. They probably get really tired of sweeping up after me. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A spell-checker is not fool-proof. For example, in Menstruation you wrote "shooting lightening" and my spell checker didn't underline it, so I googled lightening and I learned a new word . Anyway, copyediting other people's stuff is fun, and at least there's something for me to do, since I'm not good at writing prose. Prometheus (talk) 16:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I do wish I were a better writer. Listener X often edits things i write, and they sound so much more "professional".  but I'm a good researcher!  that's what I like.  learning about things, reading articles from some obscure journal, and writing up the nonsense.  :-)  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  17:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Math attack
$$\oint_{C} (L\, \mathrm{d}x + M\, \mathrm{d}y) = \iint_{D} \left(\frac{\partial M}{\partial x} - \frac{\partial L}{\partial y}\right)\, \mathrm{d}x\, \mathrm{d}y.$$

The line integral of L and M over a closed path C is equal to the surface integral of the partial derivative of M with respect to x minus the partial integral of L with respect to y. ??? ???????? 15:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * you are evil, and must be destroyed! maths maths maths... ohhh, speaking of maths and BBC, there is a new math serries called "The Code." if you get a chance to DL it (mvgroup has it), you should watch it. it's not nearly as wiggy wierd as "infinity" was.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  16:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen infinity either. That's from calc 3, which I now remember with fondness as the damn frame of reference wasn't moving while I was solving. Ever since taking Mechanics II I have hated tops with a burning passion. ??? ???????? 18:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Tops spin, tops are fun. I can't imagine trying to address teh math behind them... "Stupid rabbit, triks are for kids".<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 18:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You do not. by comparison, the springs on springy pendulums problem was easy. ??? ???????? 18:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * (remembering I'm dyslexic, so numbers really were hard for me to understand) I remember going into my trig 1 class at 13. I'd breezed through geometry cause it was pure logic at that point (prove A is parallel to B if you know this and that an the other -- god i loved that class).  But trig added math.  and concepts like sin, cosign and tangent.  Being a straight-A student, i got my first test back with a big ol "F".   i dropped that hell class right then and there!   (in colorado, you only need Algebra, and I'd taken that when i was 10 - so I was covered).[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I stopped my maths just before partial derivatives. Which is unfortunate as that would really help me understand Hamiltonians a little better. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll detect your Swiss cheese! 19:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hamiltonians was last year. The joys of being a physics minor in a major that is already math heavy. Also, taking Multi-D calc for giggles. ??? ???????? 19:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Derivatives are those funny f looking things, right? What exactly do they do for us?  (other than, i'm sure, prove that black holes are just figments of Hawking's imagination, and that really, god did it)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:20, 8 September 2011 (UTC) (ed con)
 * A derivative is the rate of change in an equation. A classic example is that acceleration is the derivative of velocity with respect to time, itself the derivative of distance with respect to time. Those f looking things above are integrals, which find the area under the curve. ??? ???????? 19:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So ages ago when I wanted to know if Adam and Eve (or noah and his 8 relatives) could populate teh world, assuming one child very X years, and living to be Y years of age, and then all those kids had kids, and so on - that would call for derivitives to be used?  And "Hamiltonians" (other than articles written by Hamilton) are????[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The derivatives could find the rate of change, yes. In physics, the Hamiltonian is used to find the sum of the kinetic and potential energy in a closed system. ??? ???????? 19:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And I would have followed how to derive them for use in the Schrödinger equation too if it wasn't for you pesky derivatives. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll feast your neck! 19:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I haven't had to use Schrödinger in 2 years, and I like it that way. ??? ???????? 19:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't Schrodinger a cat. or a piano player or something.  MATHS!!!!!!! on MY talk page!!!! if that's not trolling, i don't know what is!!!!![[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is what we're talking about. Be afraid, be very afraid, for I haven't even gotten to Lagrange transforms yet! ??? ???????? 19:57, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OHhh, it's so pretty.  (runs in fear).  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What's a Lagrange transform?
 * Tyfacepalm.jpg I meant Laplace transform. I shouldn't talk about math while doing other math :) ??? ???????? 20:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * When I rule the world, I'm basically putting all maths students in a box. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll vitiate your muffin! 20:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, can i visit them from time to time and poke them with a point-ed stick. (said like the monty python episode of the Wild Attacking Raspberry)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 20:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Apophenia, etc.
I've fixed up the apophenia, pareidolia, and clustering illusion articles somewhat. There were, however, a couple of studies looking at apophenia under pressure, where subjects who were more anxious saw more patterns in a picture with randomly generated noise. I can't find them, though, and now it's driving me crazy. Does it sound familiar at all? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:04, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) thanks for that, 2) let me look. i have science citation index at work.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  02:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, I've tried most of the obvious search terms and haven't found it, but I'm sure the things exist. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Testosterone
You realize I was just breakin' your balls (geddit?) over that, right? That's just what I do. Your balls, I'm breakin' them. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:37, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * yeah, i getteted it. :-) the text sorta clued me in.  but i was trying to be PC, too.  everyone gets whiny, but these total freak fests of out of control edit wars seem to focus on the boys.  or, i'm making it up cause i need to get laid wait, i'm a lady, HELD.  ;-)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  02:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well, the boys haven't been the only ones to get instigate shitstorms around here. It's probably the cooties. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I dont like cooties. they are forbidden from my home.  boys who come over have to take a cootie shower. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  03:05, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nonsense, girls are the ones with cooties. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:57, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * is that somehow related to us having brains and babies?[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 04:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably a greater susceptibility to the disease. According to Wikipedia: "While each cootie immunization method is different, studies have shown that neither has been particularly effective in totally eradicating the cootie disease." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:06, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Chocolate is what we use to inoculate ourselves from icky boys.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 04:09, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn, I've been missing out. Mmm, chocolate... Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, sighs. and i see no time soon i'll be back to France to get more *real* chocoalt, as we are broke.   i guess i shall settle.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  15:59, 10 September 2011 (UTC)