User:NightSkepticState/Volcel

(above we were just talking about film)

Stranger: Not really no

Stranger: I dislike women yes, but am I going to complain about them 24/7? No

Stranger: just a waste of time

You: Agreed. At least that sets you apart from most incels.

Stranger: in fact, out of the two of us, you seem to be the more heated one here

Stranger: kek

Stranger: without me even saying anything no else

You: That's because I have grown to become misanthropic.

Stranger: bona fide edgy cuck, aren't ya?

Stranger: "I hate all humans. So evil and bad >:( "

You: I mean you just said you dislike women, what's the fundamental difference?

Stranger: I said dislike, not hate

You: And saying misanthropic people actually hate all humans is a bit of a stretch.

You: I just dislike most of them.

Stranger: actually, not even hate if I think about it

You: Including you, because you use words like cuck, which is flaunting your attachment to this stupid cult you're a part of.

Stranger: more like apathetic to them

Stranger: you do realize that cuck isn't attached to incels, right?

Stranger: anyone can use it

You: Sure, other idiots use it too, like MRAs and MGTOWs, and just other generally misogynistic people with similar worldviews to you.

Stranger: mgtow is cucked too. Those guys all talk about self-improvement but all they do is complain about women

Stranger: incels in denial the lot of them

Stranger: as for MRA, come again?

Stranger: don't know what that is

You: Incels are in denial of a solid fact, which is that saying it is physically impossible for any particular person to find a (female) partner is an absurd matter of superstition.

Stranger: kek, you don't need to virtue signal here mate

You: It is essentially implying you are somehow cursed by the odds, which is bullshit if you give it some thought.

Stranger: my fellow incels are indeed cursed. They are cursed to be alone forevermore because of their conditions, whatever they may be

You: Curses are not real, as I've said they are a matter of superstition and nothing else.

Stranger: ...it's a figure of speech mate

Stranger: quite the literal one, aren't ya

You: I'd like to say it's not likely you'll find someone, because I don't want a girl to be with you, you'd probably hurt her.

You: But then again, as stupid and utterly immoral as people can be today, I really wouldn't be surprised if one falls for you.

You: That's not a compliment.

Stranger: Quite a few things to break down there

Stranger: 1. I don't want any girls

Stranger: 2. Incels can't get women. That's kind of their thing. If they could get one to fall for them, they wouldn't be incels, yeah?

You: That doesn't make sense, though. You're not an incel unless you are literally physically incapable of doing basic enough functions like moving out of a bed.

Stranger: 3. If by hurt, you mean give them same angst that I am giving you and everyone else I know, then yes

You: Comatose people are incels, people with erectile dysfunction (if you define celibate to specifically mean someone unable to get sex) are incels.

Stranger: Sure, but that doesn't negate the other people

You: It does.

You: Incels are all volcels.

Stranger: Lol

Stranger: cope

Stranger: All incels have tried multiple times and have failed quite successfully multiple times

You: Anyone who calls themselves an incel is not one.

Stranger: I have a story for you; if you want

Stranger: about a fellow incels

Stranger: *incel

You: Yeah, sure, and lots of people apply to that, and most of those people don't join your movement.

You: What's the difference?

Stranger: they're incels in denial?

Stranger: incel isn't an ideology. It's a state of being

Stranger: whether you choose to acknowledge it is of no importance

You: Those people don't devolve into such incredible self-pitying and hatred of the opposite sex, nor do they join a cult which quite directly encourages extreme right ideologies..

You: Not to say all incels are alt-righters but quite a significant number of them are. Who would've known!

Stranger: Hm, I mean they are right to feel self-pity

Stranger: bruv, I am lib left please no

Stranger: pretty far lib left too actually

Stranger: "all incels are alt righters" bruh

You: Really? What a change.

You: Assuming that's accurate.

You: And I literally didn't say that, I said most.

You: I even said "not to say all incels [...]"

Stranger: Oh... well whatever. Anyhow, I will now regale the story of the incel that did not give up. One who should've accepted his truecel status, but still continued on his quest foolishly

You: Oh boy, here we go.

You: The legend of the great and powerful Truecel, huh?

Stranger: He was a college student, and he wasn't an incel at this point. He truly believed that he would eventually find the "one". He tried asking people out, using dating strategies, etc. but it didn't work

Stranger: he decided to up his game and ask out more people than ever before

Stranger: the dude was approaching like ten girls each day

Stranger: at some point the guy became known as a creep and was ostracized. The people at his school wanted to take legal action against him

You: Oh wait a minute, hold up, what?!

Stranger: and everyone in town knew him as the creep

You: Lol

Stranger: so he moved towns

Stranger: and became an incel

You: If the people at his school wanted to take legal action against him

You: It's because the dude was a creep, legit

Stranger: quite moving story I know

You: He was probably stalking women and straight up creeping on them

Stranger: lol

Stranger: He would approach them, try one of his dating strategies, and if it didn't work, move on

Stranger: he approached ten, NEW girls each day

You: Your story gets more ridiculous by the minute.

You: If this is actually true, I'd say I don't feel sorry for him.

You: Because that's not even how you're supposed to go about it.

Stranger: This is a real story that I read. I'd give you the link, but it was from a long time ago

You: That you read, some guy just told you it out of the grapevine. Sorry dude but I am inclined not to believe it.

Stranger: What a truecel. He went through like 1000s of women and they all rejected him. Truly a truecel among incels

You: But if it is true, then whatever, doesn't affect me much more either way.

You: But let's assume it is true.

Stranger: The point was to show that there are indeed truecels

You: Well here's what the guy clearly did wrong, he wasn't trying to make friends with these girls or anything!

You: Probably just spouting out some stupid pick-up lines from some asinine YouTuber that incels like to follow

Stranger: Meh, people use places like dating sites with the intention of not making friends perse

You: Do you not think that girls will want to be friends with you? Girls are just people dude.

You: Treat them like people, and they'll treat you like a person.

Stranger: He's a truecel, and a brother. If he hasn't anheroed yet, I would like to meet him some day

You: That's the dumbest story I've ever heard, and I've seen The Room multiple times.

Stranger: "the man that got kicked out of his town for being a truecel" what story

You: This is what you don't get.

You: Most girls don't want to just be objects of affection/sexual degradation.

You: But it doesn't get through your thick skulls very well.

Stranger: Hmmmmm, correct. There's a lot of other nuance to it

Stranger: like how much money the guy has

Stranger: and how good he looks

You: Wrong!

Stranger: agreed, mate

Stranger: kek

You: Again, try to be FRIENDS with a girl.

You: Just like you'd be friends with a guy.

You: Just treat it like that.

You: With several of them.

You: And eventually one MIGHT like you.

You: Fuck I sure hope not. Because I already don't.

Stranger: friendships with women don't work. Especially not when they've all left my fellow incels at the mere sight of them

You: -.- it's because you're fucking incels, and misogynistic

Stranger: lol

Stranger: You do realize that incels weren't always like that, right?

You: It's not because of your looks, or your money.

You: Those things alone don't mean the world to every single girl.

Stranger: It's their experiences with women that turn them that way

You: I won't deny it matters a lot to some, maybe even many of them.

You: But it certainly wouldn't matter in friendships.

You: Build a friendship with 3 girls, maybe who don't like you.

You: And if you're nice, no kidding, they may hook you up with someone who does like you.

You: Fuck why am I giving you advice? You should be taking a lot of time sitting in a cellar thinking about the amount of wrong that you are about the world.

Stranger: Well, those incels have tried to befriend women before, and it never works. My fellow incels are destined to be rejected even in a purely platonic setting

Stranger: a real tragedy

You: IT'S BECAUSE MOST women won't be compatible with you!

You: Nor will they be with anyone!

You: Even with someone who's "attractive" if you will, there are a lot of problems.

Stranger: hypergamy, 80-20 rule, and dark triad all disagree with these points

You: People are very complex and differential, and it takes a sort of miracle for you to actually be compatible with a partner you find.

Stranger: the blackpill exists so that people won't waste time looking for relationships

Stranger: that they can come to accept that they are inefficient

Stranger: and then pursue other things

Stranger: it's very enlightening, really

You: These ideas are all downright ridiculous. Every one of them you mentioned is not based on any form of scientific fact.

You: Your ENTIRE worldview would fall apart

Stranger: you want some sources?

You: if you ended up realizing that your entire worldview is essentially based on get this

Stranger: there are studies for it

You: a FLAWED PERCEPTION of natural selection

You: That is you don't use the term right, you don't know what it means!

Stranger: 80-20 rule doesn't exist? Then why are even normal guys' Tinders just dead

Stranger: a quick look at something like r/tinder will show that

You: I don't need to go on r/tinder, these little subcommunities are just food for the incels and MRAs

Stranger: like one dude on there had like 5000 swipes and he didn't even end up getting a date. Kek

You: No, give me a SCIENTIFIC study made by a REPUTABLE source

You: that proves that the 80/20 rule is SCIENTIFICALLY sound

Stranger: r/tinder is a subcommunity for incels?

You: and I'll be pretty surprised.

Stranger: seriously?

You: Reddit is not a reputable source.

You: Reddit is a site full of user-generated content

Stranger: Oh it's not, but you're saying that r/tinder is a subcommunity for incels?

Stranger: really now

You: I didn't say that

Stranger: I'll link ya the study in a sec

You: I said these little subcommunities are FOOD for the incels

You: Geez, you're not even good with precisely following what I'm saying

You: I'm not convinced you'll ever understand.

Stranger: agreed, they confirm our ideas

Stranger: did you come here with the intention of changing minds? You might be able to do that on some depressed dude in his early 20s, but the vast majority of us are resolute in our beliefs

Stranger: as am I

You: Yeah, and that's the problem.

You: You have a belief based purely on faith.

You: You had some small amount of anecdotal evidence that led to your conclusions

You: And you have literally sworn to stick by them.

You: But science is changing all the time.

You: It's ALL anecdotal evidence, too. In actuality, there have been studies to show that the nice guy theory is complete bullshit. Shall I link you those?

You: Studies have also shown though that guys who claim to be the nice guy tend to be the ones who are more abusive. Does the link surprise you?

Stranger: I don't need sources to know that being a nice guy isn't going to do anything for you

You: Maybe not on its own. You have to actually do something to get something.

You: It's sort of a rule of life.

You: The idea that you should be able to, or even can, just sit around and then get the hottest girl in class is completely absurd. Is that how you think food is made, or work is done?

You: NO RELATIONSHIP EVER has been accomplished that way.

Stranger: Many people who I've been friends with have been "nice guys" in genuine terms, but they always had something off. My friend Elliot had a physical defomity, and another friend of mine, Collin, has autism. Neither has been able to get a girlfriend, and they never will. They are incels, but they have not yet realized it yet

You: Even the guys you call "Chads" have it rougher than they make it seem. It's precisely because those men are popular that they make it look like their lives are all good and dandy, or else they wouldn't be so popular.

You: It's sort of a social scheme they created.

Stranger: Incel stands for "involuntarily celibate". No genuine incel only wants the "hottest" girl

Stranger: that would be pretty hypocritical

You: You're right.

Stranger: incels must be willing to take whatever they can get

You: And that's what many have genuinely told me.

Stranger: which is nothing

You: So good, you're not that hypocritical.

You: So again you're not the worst I've come across.

Stranger: Bro, I really don't care if I'm the Hitler of incels on your incel list or the Nelson Mandela on your incel list

Stranger: kek

You: I've had incels tell me that they wouldn't settle for a fat girl because it would just feel like it wasn't dignified enough.

Stranger: well then they are fakecels

Stranger: I wouldn't use this site as a gauge for incels anyhow. The forums are legit

You: By whose definition?

Stranger: ... by the terms definition?

You: Like I said, no one really is an involuntary celibate. They're all doing this voluntarily.

You: Yourself included.

You: What this is for you is a coping mechanism and comfort zone.

You: You don't want to exert the effort and have the cold possibility of rejection, so you create this fake science for yourself that "proves" that it would be useless to try, so you might as well not.

You: And while you're at it, have some buddies that do the same, to further induce yourself into this echochamber of though.

You: thought*

Stranger: You know what, I'll let ya think whatever ya want. You really haven't seen the extent to how over it is for some incels, so no point in arguing it

You: How old are you?

Stranger: however, I find something to be contradictory about what you've been saying

You: Are you 75?

Stranger: yes

Stranger: I'm actually 76

You: When you're that old, call me. Until then, I'd say you have plenty of fucking time.

You: There's another bit of cognitive dissonance for you.

You: "I've done all the trying I ever can! And I'm 22!"

You: Give me a break.

Stranger: 22 is where people can legit start calling themselves incels

Stranger: when you hit 30, that's truecel level

Stranger: wizarding level actually

You: WRONG! It is NOT where people can "legit start calling themselves incels", or truecels!

You: That's some pretty scientific nomenclature you're using there. "truecel", "wizarding", "kek"

You: Yeah you've convinced me you absolutely know what you're talking about.

You: Or maybe you're just some quack who has no idea at all.

Stranger: Uh... this is Omegle mate. If my informal diction annoys you, try a more formal environment

You: There is no formal incel environment.

Stranger: or a more formal person I guess

You: There is no reputable science behind incelism.

You: It is a cult.

You: Literally that's what it is.

Stranger: Well, I guess there's no point in sending those sources over since you're going to dispute their validity anyway

You: No, go ahead.

Stranger: alrighty

Stranger: just give me a sec

You: Really, if what you say really is true, that people are cursed from birth never to find women, like if you can find some solid scientific evidence for that...

You: I will change my mind.

You: That's the difference between us here.

You: You are a cult member with an unchanging mindset, while people who are against inceldom use actual *changing* science to support their claims.

Stranger: Okay, if I'm a cult member, who's the leader

You: It doesn't matter how good my arguments are, you will never be convinced, you said so yourself.

Stranger: typically cults have those

You: Just because they typically do doesn't mean they have to.

You: It is a sort of disorganized cult I will say that, but still a cult nonetheless.

You: You believe based on faith.

You: Do you deny this?

Stranger: Alrighty, I have this source, it's one of the sources off of the blackpill mega source. I can send that your way too if you want

Stranger: mediumcom/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a

You: Alright lemme say this from the very beginning before I even read this.

Stranger: Oh, and do I believe based on faith? I believe in the evidence I have seen firsthand and among others

You: This study is about TINDER alone!

You: And Tinder

You: is a site that is known for being largely used for people who are not seeking relationships! Mostly a hookup site!

You: So of course you're probably not gonna find anyone of any value there.

Stranger: uh... okay. This trend can be seen elsewhere too

You: Also it is almost purely a matching game, so almost solely based on looks alone.

Stranger: I'll just send you the megathread

Stranger: no point in not doing so

Stranger: httpsincelswiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

You: Alright one thing at a time, please.

You: yeah at the beginning of the study where it says This study was conducted to quantify the Tinder socio-economic prospects for males based on the percentage of females that will “like” them.

You: NOTICE: They put the word LIKE in QUOTATION marks

You: Because this is not a real showing of affection.

Stranger: we seriously got an english major here don't we kek

Stranger: the "like" means they swiped... right on them?

Stranger: Atleast that's how I interpretted it

You: Right, and swiping right means just about nothing.

You: You can have people swipe right and not even message you.

Stranger: yeah, because they didn't swipe right on you back

Stranger: but anyhow

Stranger: I want to discuss the strange contradiction you have

Stranger: You say that we're the type of people better off alone because of how we could hurt women, yet you're also trying to convince us that women could possibly like us? Why are you trying to actively do that when you say we're better off alone. Doesn't make sense mate

Stranger: on one hand you're saying that it's for the best that we're alone

Stranger: on the other you're saying that there is a possibility

Stranger: doesn't make too much sense

You: No it does make sense.

You: Think about it.

You: There are a lot of people who would probably be abusive to their relationship partners. I consider you to be one of them.

Stranger: Abusive? Me? Alrighty

You: And yes, a woman can very possibly and very probably like someone who will abuse them. And that's sad.

Stranger: don't think I have the muscles to do that, but sure

You: Abuse doesn't have to always be physical, but it certainly can be, and usually is on the end of the guys.

Stranger: Actually, I don't think most incels, especially manlets, would be able to overpower anyone

Stranger: oh, and the abusive thing reminds me of something

Stranger: you can think I'd be abusive, don't really care since about that

Stranger: but you're saying that all incels would be abusive if given the chance? Really now?

You: You have a mindset which actively degrades women, tries to somehow severely distinct them psychologically from the rest of us.

You: Also, you and your fellow cult member have a mindset that women all equally follow the exact same mindset, as if that has any scientific backing to it at all.

Stranger: Indeed

You: Do you really think that, for instance, EVERY female on the planet are "attracted to the Dark Triad"?

You: is*

Stranger: it does have scientific backing to it though. I sent you the link after all

Stranger: it's something inherent, so at some level they all must be

You: That first page is scientific backing for the ratio of likes on Tinder... Which proves what?

Stranger: The mega thread

You: Those are right swipes on some stupid dating platform.

Stranger: not the tinder one

You: Sure I'm reading through the mega thread, but you'll have to give me a minute because it's fucking long. I'm particularly focusing on this section about the Dark Triad

Stranger: indeed, read it and weep as they say

Stranger: in fact, Ill reread it along with you

Stranger: good to remember the place that enlightened me to the blackpill

You: enwikipediaorg/wiki/Hybristophilia

You: I found this, this is the sexual fetish you're looking for, which you claim most women have.

Stranger: indeed

Stranger: most women have that

Stranger: would explain why killers like Ted are so adored by them

Stranger: and why they got fan mail in prison

You: Are you familiar with nature vs. nurture?

Stranger: no, I am blissfully unaware of that introductory psychology term

Stranger: please do explain

Stranger: ...don't know if ya need time to think about that, but the answer is yes

Stranger: I am aware

You: Buddy I was in the process of reading, and verifying, step-by-step that huge page you sent me.

You: That's gonna take a while.

You: In the meantime, let's talk about nature vs. nurture.

You: The problem you're facing is you don't realize that many people have different modes of attraction.

You: Also, that attachment and attraction are two entirely different things.

Stranger: hm, how so

You: Also, keep in mind that most women were brought up to want men of great stature and dominance, many of who just happen to have the traits you mentioned.

You: So part of that is nurture and not nature.

You: Not all women think monolithically; if they did there wouldn't be such a variety in our genetics.

You: There are different body types etc. for men and women, and everyone has a preference for a different body type.

Stranger: women are engrained with hypergamy. It only makes sense that they'd seek out the "best possible" man

You: Also did you ever come to figure that many women who are like you just lock themselves away from society?

You: Heh, bet you never thought of that one, did you?

Stranger: ah yes, the femcel argument

You: I happen to know some of those. Not the femcel argument!

Stranger: femcels do not exist. Don't argue this

You: Do not think I'm talking about females who are idiots and claim to also be incels

You: I'm talking in general

You: Women tend to be more shy and passive than men you do not deny?

Stranger: well, they actually claim to be femcels, but whatever

Stranger: that depends

You: So with this natural tendency, along with intense amounts of insecurity etc. that will build up over time

You: Depression etc.

Stranger: I said it depends

Stranger: but ok

You: They will legit just isolate themselves from all possible contact

You: Including on dating sites

You: Why do I say such an outlandish claim? Heh

You: Well because I know a few of these people.

Stranger: fricking cringy anime smug man "Heh"

Stranger: bruh moment

Stranger: anyway

You: So while men like you with similar traits but not a female psychology tend to be more aggressive about your approach.

Stranger: The fact of the matter is that women can easily find a man if they desire to do so

You: You want to get yourself out there!

You: You know? You want to start a movement!

Stranger: Not really no

You: You want to get in people's faces about it.

Stranger: inceldom is not a movement

You: Well maybe not you particularly

You: But most incels do

You: And the incel community is.

Stranger: and most of us are too low inhib to actually do that kek

You: Or else how would we all know about it.

You: ?*

Stranger: Because of it's online presence?

Stranger: Doesn't mean it's a movement tho

You: I said movement, because it is one. It's a movement to further isolate already lonely and desperate men.

You: At the very least.

You: If not by extension in many cases the movement to create a desire in men to want to control women to do what they please.

Stranger: The whole government controls women thing is a bit pushed

Stranger: I mean it isn't

Stranger: it isn't pushed. The whole "state mandated gf" is used by weebs ironically mate

You: Well conservative incels like that though I'll bet.

You: Because it's how it used to be. It used to be the men would pick and choose their brides out of many.

You: So it used to be rather the exact opposite of what you're seeing now.

Stranger: hmmmm.... now women dictate that exchange. Quite the contrast

Stranger: anyway, controlling women isn't something that is necessarily a part of it

You: Not exactly, sometimes it was picking, let me correct myself, and sometimes it was family enforced.

You: The women who pick their men in no way give them any force.

You: In fact I'd say it's rather the opposite.

Stranger: "In no way give them any force"?

You: Well I'm sure in a few cases the woman will try and force a man to be with her.

You: But those are the edge cases.

You: Generally no there is no force about it.

You: The bride-picking I'm talking about was very socially enforced, very structured.

You: You were often expected by your family to pick a very certain man who was courting you.

Stranger: alrighty

Stranger: I am aware that the past was like this

Stranger: However, to say that incels as a majority would want a return to it? I don't know

Stranger: Actually, I do know. They wouldn;t

You: I've heard some pretty nasty shit from incels.

You: I have had one incel tell me he wishes the times before the Antebellum were still around, so he could be a plantation owner and have slavegirls who he raped for his amusement regularly.

You: Really.

Stranger: yes, we are quite a bunch controversial ones

Stranger: oh well... that is something else

Stranger: hmmmmmmm most likely hyperbole

Stranger: just being an edgy cuck boi

You: Well and an ignorant one too.

You: Seeing how there's about a 96% chance he would've been born in extreme poverty or as a slave himself at that time.

You: Lol

You: That is assuming he was even from the US at all.

You: Let alone the rest of the world.

Stranger: yes, that man is an alien

Stranger: inceldom trascends planets

Stranger: incel alien man learns cold hard truth about alien women as a whole

Stranger: real funny joke mate

You: Nah this wasn't a joke.

You: This is something someone claiming to be an incel actually told me on Omegle.

You: I saved the conversation somewhere, maybe I can find it.

Stranger: You said he wasn't from the rest of the world

Stranger: like bruh

Stranger: is he from Mars?

Stranger: kek

You: I said let alone the rest of the world -_-

You: Again, not following along

You: Although I could've maybe said let alone any other country, maybe that'd have been more clear.

Stranger: I still don't think I follow

Stranger: you mean to say he's from a different country?

Stranger: cause it sounded like you were saying he wasn't from this planet

Stranger: Sorry, it's my sub 80 iq at work :(

You: NO! I'm saying that if he were born at the time he fantasizes about, assuming he was even to be born in the US, he would have about a 96% chance of being born into complete poverty, or being born in the north where regardless of poverty you'd not have a plantation.

Stranger: I see

You: That's right! Glorifying the distant past is bullshit!

You: Only the wealthy few were ever close to happy.

You: And those are the ones you read about in books. The poor hands never wrote.

Stranger: I'd argue that history is a little more complex than that. It depends on what time period and where

Stranger: for example

Stranger: feudalism

Stranger: while an invention that happened after Rome

Stranger: was probably worse than what the average citizen in Rome faced

Stranger: but I do agree that equality is something that has probably been at its best at present

Stranger: ... my man, don't tell me you had to look up feudalism

You: You incels have no idea what you're talking about. You think you have been dealt an extreme wrong by the world just because you can't get sex.

Stranger: that's introductory history

You: No I had to use the bathroom

You: Oliver Twist would be dumbfounded by this shit if he were actually real.

Stranger: Who the heck is Oliver Twist

You: Do you really think that sex and a relationship partner is what gets you the best life?

Stranger: At the end of the day it is something that matters greatly

You: Throughout history people IN relationships have been poor together, have been abused by society. The fact that they were together meant almost nothing. They just wished they could get some goddamn food and shelter, and didn't have to work so painstakingly hard.

Stranger: Well, that's because the whole idea of a "love marriage" is pretty new

You: Yeah, so that kind of gives you a hint that it was never meant to be that way in the first place.

You: Love itself is kinda sorta bullshit, too.

Stranger: people only started that trend in like the 1700s

You: True, but back then it was more of a fantasy than a reality.

You: *As it is today*

Stranger: please shut up, there's a reason we switched over to love marriages

You: People who say they are in love with someone are congratulated for it

Stranger: those opportunist marriages were dumb

You: You might argue they're regarded higher by people because of it.

You: I'm not saying the opportunist marriages were any better.

Stranger: your "love is nothing more than a chemical in the brain" is showing

You: Just because I say one thing doesn't mean I imply the opposite.

You: Well it is. What else do you think it would be?

You: Some spiritual bullshit?

Stranger: kek, I see that there's no point in talking about it with you

You: In the 1700s

Stranger: quick question

You: People were DEFINITELY regarded higher if they were married

You: If not today, definitely back then

You: But today too

You: And it's why incelism exists in the first place.

Stranger: Have you ever been in a relationship that was successful (didn't end badly)? This moreso curiosity

You: It's not even completely that you want affection and sexual pleasuring.

You: A large part of the incel psyche is the desire to fit in, because it is expected among men to have had sex or married by a certain age as you believe.

Stranger: most incels want the emotional aspect of it more I suppose

Stranger: that's why escortcels are a thing

Stranger: and don't get banned

Stranger: they should get banned, but don't for some reason

You: really dude?

Stranger: what

You: So because someone gets an escort that's supposed to not count? Just kinda shows how NOT open-minded your community really is.

You: As I was saying

You: Not EVEN just the emotional aspect

You: There's 3 reasons

You: 1. Sexual

You: 2. Romantci

You: Romantic*

You: 3. SOCIAL

You: You want the social recognition.

Stranger: uh... I don't think escortcels are legit, but everyone else does

You: You're lonely so you want a social group too.

Stranger: don't know why

Stranger: I'm in the minority with that opinion

You: Who cares about legit? They just wanted some tail so they got it their way. Who cares?

Stranger: They aren't "celibate" anymore

You: Yeah, and neither are you.

Stranger: although I guess you could make the argument that it wasn't from a place of genuinity

Stranger: bruh, I am celibate

You: Well maybe I'm wrong about that, lemme rephrase that.

Stranger: what are you taling about

You: You are CHOOSING to be celibate.

You: You just said so yourself.

You: You could go get an escort, assuming you have any money whatsoever.

You: So why don't you?

You: If the sex is that important to you

You: And escorts also give emotional benefits, they form friendships with their employees

Stranger: Religion my friend

Stranger: also, I would much rather an hero than go to one

You: And that is exactly why you have such irrational thought patterns.

Stranger: religion or not

You: If you want an an answer to your question

Stranger: enlightened athiest incoming Isee

You: It's because you care about what OTHERS THINK OF YOU

Stranger: not really, caring about what others think of me isn't how I roll

You: Even if your religious side kicks in and says, no that's not right, part of that derives from the desire to be seen as a "valid" individual.

You: It does, or else it wouldn't be your religious side in the first place. Religion is a very social trait among human beings.

Stranger: I subscribe to religion because I believe in it. Not because of a desire to fit in among people

Stranger: but of course, you will argue that I do so for the latter

You: But I did say not just

You: You say you don't care what people think of you but that is a lie.

You: Perhaps a lie to me, but even worse, a lie to yourself maybe.

Stranger: How?

You: Because everyone does!

You: Everyone wants to be social. We are social animals.

You: When we're not social we're unhappy.

Stranger: I agree that I am social, quite a sociable person apparently, but not caring what others think is something I hold dear to myself. If I do or don't do something, it's because I want or don't want to do it

You: Now get me, I'm not saying it's a good thing that people will think of you higher because you're married, I think that's bullshit myself and hope it will change more as time goes on.

You: But it is a fact that many people do care about that sort of thing, and I think incels want that recognition.

Stranger: Oh, and I think you've misinterpreted one key detail about myself

Stranger: I don't want to get married and hope I never do

You: Sure, whatever, I was using that as an example of an ultimate bonding mechanism.

You: I would be willing to wager though, that if you were to find a girlfriend, you'd be showing her off to people quite a lot. I'd bet money on it.

Stranger: See, that's another thing. I don't want a girlfriend either

Stranger: I am a volcel who adheres to incel ideology

Stranger: perhaps I didn't make that clear

You: Yes I said you were a volcel.

You: I did make that clear.

You: And every incel you've ever met is also a volcel.

Stranger: ...unbelievable

Stranger: bruh

Stranger: I am a volcel because I don't want to be with women. Unlike incels who have seen the blackpill and still desire women, I no longer want to

Stranger: there is nothing to gain from being with them

Stranger: and that's why I actively distance myself from them

You: If you aren't working 24/7, every hour of every day, weeding through dating sites, chat sites, writing bots for them as necessary, and maybe socializing REASONABLY not creepily once in a great while, then you are not doing enough.

You: Well 24/7 isn't the right word, unless you live in your mom's basement or something per stereotype

You: Just every hour you're not working or studying.

Stranger: I'd wager most incels have put in that amount of effort at one point

Stranger: but not anymore

You: That's the key

You: Not anymore

You: If they ever did, I doubt they fucking did

You: and if they did, what did they do it for a week?

Stranger: they have realized it's all so pointless

Stranger: a week? LOL

Stranger: Try years man

You: You know, I can't really say you're wrong about that, since this is all just baseless speculation and claims

Stranger: without any results, they gave up

Stranger: and good for them for that

You: But how many years do they have left?

Stranger: People can get married at any age. That is true

You: If they want it that fucking desperately, that they'd join a group specifically meant to spout their frustrations at

Stranger: but after 30?

Stranger: without any relationship with women?

You: DUDE, there are plenty of single women who 1. like older men or 2. are older women

You: 30 is NOT THAT OLD

Stranger: 30 is wizard age

You: You still have what, 30 MORE years left at LEAST until you should be saying you're throwing in the towel.

Stranger: if you're still celibate by then, there's a pretty big reason why

Stranger: don't say it's because of your mindset

Stranger: I swear to god if you say that

You: To be honest, maybe you're right, maybe these people were just too nasty and brutish and awful to everyone they met, that nobody wanted anything to do with them.

You: And maybe they need to change their approach entirely or not exactly that it'd be best for them to give up, but maybe they should give up.

You: Spare everyone the time not to deal with your assholish behavior

Stranger: these people were nice to people who never returned the favor. My friend Elliot was belittled for no reason while we were growing up because of his physical deformity

Stranger: everyone made fun of him

You: Yeah and that's not good, I'm not saying that is.

Stranger: even now no girl wants the guy

Stranger: but he's still the optimist

You: And assuming he's as nice as you say he is

Stranger: hopefully he'll change. No point in it

You: I think it's unfortunate he has you as a friend

Stranger: why?

You: Because you're discouraging him from ANY possible opportunities he might have.

You: You're actively helping to degrade him by telling him he should become an incel or some stupid shit.

Stranger: I'm not discouraging him or encouraging him

Stranger: I'm letting him go through it himself

Stranger: and he'll see the light for himself

Stranger: If I try saying anything, he might have some doubts about the validity of the blackpill

Stranger: if he comes to the conclusion himself, he won't

You: You think! about that second to last sentence

You: And yes he may come to that conclusion. Because of people like you.

You: Sure maybe not directly because of you.

You: But eventually people will start google searching "why can't I get a girlfriend" and then that leads off to other searches like "am I too nice to girls" etc.

You: And quickly he finds

You: INCEL.WIKI

You: Made and maintained by shitty people like yourself, who maintain a cultish mindset and believe that you all are doomed for eternity together.

You: It's a big pity party that no one should have anything to do with.

You: So yes, you, and I guess by extension people like you, are harming him

Stranger: You know, I've been trying to only be coy with you this entire time, but you're genuinely making med mad now. You want him to continue as is being laughed at and ridiculed by everyone. If he became an incel, he wouldn't face that anymore. He wouldn't get laughed at by any girl he tried approaching. He'd be in a better place, but people like you try to give him hope, and then set him up for failure. I seriously despise people like you

You: Assuming he really is nice like you say.

You: Which he may not be so I may be wrong on that one

Stranger: you people tell him that he'll find a girl someday; that he should never give up. All for naught

Stranger: I truly hate you for it

You: That's not exactly how it is. In this world you have to be tough and grit your teeth.

You: This is a cruel world. It's just a fact.

You: Cloaking yourself away from it only makes matters worse, not just for yourself but everyone around you.

Stranger: Refraining from something that's useless is not cloaking yourself away

Stranger: no one takes him seriously

You: AGAIN

You: I have SAID

You: TIME AND TIME AGAIN

You: The evidence I have given you

You: 1. That giving up at 30 is NOT valid. I don't care what dumb internet meme name you give a 30-year-old virgin, you aren't dead yet! That's the point.

You: You want a likable trait to people? How about someone who doesn't give up? Who tries no matter what the odds.

You: Also I want to mention

Stranger: Yes, and you end up like Elliot. Always being put down and hated on. Heck, one time I was with own group of friends and he came over because he wanted to talk about videogames. When he left, everyone said "Yo, you seriously talk to that guy?"

Stranger: unbelievable you lot

You: "I am a volcel because I don't want to be with women. Unlike incels who have seen the blackpill and still desire women, I no longer want to"

Stranger: yes

You: I mean if you legitimately do not care, why even bother giving yourself the label? Why associate yourself with that group at all?

You: If you TRULY don't care about women, you would just like you know, NEVER THINK ABOUT IT.

You: Which by extension means, there'd be nothing special at all whatsoever about you voluntarily abstaining.

You: I mean think about it

You: Children don't have sexual thoughts

You: And well I was gonna say "do you see them bragging about how unattracted to the opposite sex they are?"

You: But then I realize that many actually do. Or at least did Idk if they do anymore.

You: They will have gender wars.

You: But that's different, that's never sexually derived.

Stranger: yes, but despite that there is sadly a rather natural "likeness" I have for them. I hate to acknowledge it, but it is still there. I don't want to be with any of them and I don't want to associate with them either because of what I know about them.

Stranger: as they say, the brain is in of itself a parasite

Stranger: kek

You: Right, so here you admit that what you're doing is unhealthy for yourself, got you.

Stranger: it's not unhealthy

Stranger: what do you mean

You: But honestly, why even tell you. Go ahead and be unhealthy!

Stranger: There's nothing unhealthy about it

You: I honestly think you deserve it, after what you're putting onto other people in the world who have really serious issues that will be made worse because of your ideology.

Stranger: bruh

Stranger: Well, I'm glad you approve of my decision

Stranger: in whatever convoluted way you're doing it

Stranger: kek

You: Yeah, but see, here's the thing.

You: Eventually you will realize that your volcel thing won't hold up, which is the same thing that will happen to the rest of the incels.

You: and volcels, and wizardcels, or whatever

Stranger: Uh... what do you mean?

You: Your boundaries will eventually be forced by your natural brain to be torn apart.

Stranger: an incel at 30 is the same as an incel at 80

You: Meaning that you will literally go crazy.

You: And I am worried about that with your crowd. Going crazy can mean terrible things happening to people

You: Which if you think about it is why this cult you're following is so incredibly fucked up

You: It has happened before. Remember Elliot Rodgers? Yeah that kid. He was an incel.

You: A prime example of a great human being, a great individual.

You: excuse me Elliot Rodger

Stranger: How will the other incels go crazy? I can understand that perhaps if I don't resolve my brain issue it may come at odds in the future

You: I was wrong about that, but his name not even be mentioned anymore anyway, useless sack of meat

Stranger: elliot rodger is like one incel shooter

You: He said in his writings before the attack:

Stranger: and most people don't even like him

You: "How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves.[16]:84 On the day before the Day of Retribution, I will start the First Phase of my vengeance: Silently killing as many people as I can around Isla Vista by luring them into my apartment through some form of trickery."

You: A boy of pristine quality. Wrong, he is worshipped by many incels as the "supreme gentleman."