User talk:PalMD/Archive2

Ashfly is going on a major edit binge, creating lots of medical articles. Oh what I'd do for my unblocking. Could be a source for good counter articles. So far he has two types of articles going in...one looks like c & p from a dictionary, to beef up the article count, the other are vaccine-related, since that seems to give him such a hard-on. Eww, I can't believe I said that, no I gotta go puke.--PalMD-yada yada 18:20, 2 June 2007 (CDT) --PalMD-yada yada 18:16, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
 * A big chunk of them are indeed c&p from a glossary, with just the minimal necessary changes to switch from "Word: definition" form to "Word is definition" form. I haven't IDed which version he's copying from, nor where it's originally from, but there are versions of it at the CDC, the Texas state health department and Sabin.org, amongst others. --jtl talk 18:26, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
 * He's not copying from the Sabin or Texas versions: "Anthrax", "Antiviral" and "Asthma" are all missing from the Sabin version, and "Asthma" is also missing from the Texas version. So far I haven't found any Andy's added that are missing from the CDC version.  Andy's versions do match the CDC glossary (although in a couple places, other people have added more to the CP pages). --jtl talk 18:40, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
 * See for a complete-ish collection of this.  All the medical defs (both vaccine-related and not) seem to have come from the CDC vaccine glossary. --jtl talk 20:21, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You bastard, no goats? Anyway, to get unbanned, all ya gotta do (great Beatles song! I think?) is work with TK to get me banned from this site as a two faced git, etc. Spread the lurv!
 * So anyway, in your frustration, here's an outlet: write better articles here, with exactly the same title, and put this box at the top: .  It will link to ashfly's "article" automatically. human be in 20:18, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Good idea...my plan, pretty much. Interesting he should "reference" the CDC, since he hated it when I did.--PalMD-yada yada 22:44, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

He has now started going through a glossary of copyright law, while his pet bureaucrat SharonS is working her way through a glossary of genetic terms compare CP:Special:Contributions/SharonS with Genetics Home Reference, I mean it's so obvious! Babel fishÅЯṬђŮŖ ÐΣйṬ Now look here! 13:10, 3 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Is it all public domain stuff? Or is there any chance of finding the original publishers, and getting them busted for plagiarism? --Gulik 16:32, 6 June 2007 (CDT)


 * ALl the glossaries they're using appear to be PD. There are other non-glossary copyvios, though. See Conservapedia:Blatant Plagiarism and its talk page for my running notes on the subject. --jtl talk 18:14, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Talk Page Vandalism
Whats this -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 00:45, 3 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Probably wants to keep things on the down-low, so to speak. Stile4aly 11:48, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Then the best thing is not to type "down low" things on a public wiki. In my opinion, that deletion should be reverted, at least to a linked archive or vandalism page (new vandalism page header: suggestions for vandalism!?). human be in 13:02, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Chupacabra
Palm, if ever there was an article in need of your interest it's got to be this one. Chupacabra--Bob_M (talk) 07:02, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Archive
Technically you should have made it a sub page of this page. Not that it really matters. But there should be a link here, at least, in case someone is looking for something from the past that they remember was here. So I stuck a link up top for you. human be in 11:46, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * ty...still learning and taking notes.--PalMD

Google Searching
Does Google write the summary of sites in its search engine or does it pull it from the site itself because the Conservapedia summary spells encyclopedia wrong? Regardless it still makes the site look bad :) -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 14:58, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * In some cases (this included), they use descriptions from The Open Directory Project. And that spelling's not wrong so much as British, which I suspect someone did just to mess with them.  --jtl talk 15:07, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

The Information Warrior's Handbook
High praise indeed; ..and it's not even finsihed yet.--CatWatcher 15:20, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

teratogenic compounds
Hey Doc. In some of the later entries Andy copied from the CDC glossary, he made some additions to fit his ideology. One in particular looks to me just factually wrong: "Embryonic stem cells are known to cause teratogenic compounds." Does that seem sane to you? --jtl talk 18:01, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It's not even gramatically correct. TimS and I could both probably tell you why it is scientifically incorrect, but I need a citation (which I'm sure he won't provide). If you engineer it to produce something teratogenic, i suppose.  One interpretation might be that it is inherently teratogenic to work with embryos, as they no longer develop into normal humans, but that's stretching it...a lot.--PalMD-yada yada 18:03, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

As long as you don't put stem cells in your testicles/ovaries they won't be inherited by your offspring, it's as simple as that, unless your name is Andy... MiddleMan 18:09, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm starting the investigation now. "Someone" left a fairly neutral question on the talk page.--PalMD-yada yada 18:12, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Psychosocial stuff
Hey PalMD. I just put up an essay on the psychosocial apsects of CP. I know it's not your area of practice but I'd be grateful if you could take a look and comment on it as a colleague from the "looking after people who have things wrong with them" department. Thanks Spica 19:30, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * P.S. I'm a UK psych RN btw, 16 years in the trade, senior nurse, etc. Spica 19:30, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * P.P.S. And it's not referenced properly....yet.... Spica 19:31, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Don't be such a Jew!NeoNazi 16:25, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You have a big nose and love money?NeoNazi 16:32, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't be shy, guy. You were checkin' out his circumcision, admit it. --Kels 16:37, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Cut men ROCK!DocSock 16:38, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Funny you don't look...
Like a doctor? C ® acker 16:34, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * LOLDocSock 16:34, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * And you don't look like a...well, maybe you do...im not sure what one looks like. Usually better groomed than me.DocSock 16:35, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * That's pretty much everyone, dude. --Kels 18:20, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You're the one to talk, oh Furry Beast--PalMD-yada yada 18:26, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm very well groomed, I'll have you know. --Kels 18:37, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Prophylactic Antibiotics
What are your thoughts on long term oral prophylactic antibiotics to treat remedial UTIs, due to urinary reflux (stage 2 in one kidney) in infant males (1-3 months old)? I see them causing greater problems due to the development of the bacteria in the gut being exposed to the antibiotics, not to mention due to long term use (18 months) the chances of developing resistant strains as well causing greater issues when treating otherwise simple infections. Would you consider it not worth the risk of having a kidney infection?--TimS 08:36, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Jumping in with mine highskewl edumacation: I saw an article in SciAm or some such that researchers were actually designing drugs that aimed precursor meds at gut flora that in turn would do the final metabolising to the desired drug. Of course these researcher were also concerned that their drug delivery system would be completely useless given medico's perchant for Rxing antibiotics (just in case: one guess to ward off evil spirits and nosicomal infections). The SciAm was from...oh, say, summer fall of 2005? C ® acker 08:46, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * First, I'm an internist, not a pediatrician, so take this with a grain of salt. Chronic kidney reflux in children is a common cause of kidney failure, and the gut can always repopulate. Sometimes the cause can be things that are correctable surgically, like posterior urethral valves.  You'd have to look up the numbers, cuz im gonna be out of commission for a bit, but if you're in the states, you can always get a second opinion. I would ask for more information from the doc, such as: what is the risk of not treating, is their a definitive procedure to correct this, is there a quantifiable risk to chronic antibiotic exposure and how does that risk compare to the risk of permanent kidney damage.  I hope that's helpful.--PalMD-yada yada 08:49, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Do not worry, I always seek professional opinions from specialists when it comes to health topics, my pediatrician and a pediatric urologist both have been consulted. I just wanted your general opinion of this. I researched the numbers but saw a very minor risk of infection due to the reflux, partially due to the sex of the child and second the environmental conditions of the child's living area. I had worked on a contract with the NIH/NCCAM about UTIs and the prevention and treatment of them in females. At that time the NIH did not see a reason for male studies due to the low number of cases of male UTIs. Of course this did not take into account males with reflux. My fear is based on the antibiotic resistance of the bacteria due to the long term exposure of a general low dose antibiotic. I would not want to cause my child to use stronger antibiotics in the future because of something that could have been avoided when he was younger. I spoke to several colleagues at the NIH and they seemed to share the same reservations I had but most are research scientists and not MDs. I often have to remind myself that what happens in the lab is not always what happens in the body. Even though I know for a fact that long term exposure to low dose general antibiotics can cause greater resistance of antibiotics in bacteria I am not so sure as to the pervasiveness of the antibiotic in the human body or even the percentage of antibiotic that is metabolized to know if this is indeed a concern or not. Just thought I would throw this out there to some professionals to gather some opinions and elevate some of the talk on the site:)--TimS 09:51, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I would definitely talk to a urologist and an ID specialist, but for some reason, certain abx don't seem to be as problematic. I'd imagine it's a combination of the genetics of the usual bacteria and the mech of action of the antibiotic...What specific abx are they talking about?--PalMD-yada yada 11:12, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Scoundrel
Hi Palm. You're a lot better at this wiki stuff than me. Any chance you could you make the page Scoundrel look a bit better?--Bob_M (talk) 13:50, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Edit to your latest "According to..." entry
I changed the diff to point at Conservative's reply instead of TK's reply to Conservative. It made more sense to me in the light of the entry. If you wanted to point at the discussion as a whole, I suggest using a permalink like this one. If I just misunderstood your reasoning behind pointing to TK's edit, please accept my apology and feel free to revert. :) --Sid 14:05, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I like your diff better. I couldn't decide when i put it up. That, plus the drugs and pain. It's interesting because the church took pains to emphasize the Church of Jesus CHrist part of their name a few years back.  They certainly think of themselves as xtians.  Maybe we can recruit that Cororite (?sp) guy, since CP is once again trying to eat its young.DocSock 16:06, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Mmmm, sauteed young CP, uncontaminated by facts. Yummy! human be in 16:09, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

RobS oddity
http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Political_profiling&action=submit

"A internet user's postings under either their real life identity of pseudonym may be "profiled" for their ideological convictions based upon editing patterns, interests, subject matter, common references, or declared beliefs. The profile is then pigeon-holed into predetermined character assessments..." RobS

"James, please disclose your political point-of-view along with that of the "scholar". Let me guess: do both of you oppose prayer in the classrooms of public schools? Enough said.--Aschlafly 13:11, 24 May 2007 (EDT)"

Is the above related to what you are saying? Because I am not sure I understand your article.[User:Associate|Associate] 23:05, 10 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Are you alleging Andy has cyberstalked, harrassed, and publicly defamed an individual with guilt by association smears, alleging someone holds partisan, extreme, or racist views that the person in reality does not? RobS 23:16, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I would never accuse Mr. Schlafly of cyberstalking.

More evidence

 * Theis article was create on March 16 2007, [Christian terroris]], extracted,
 * ''Many frequently-cited examples of "Christian terrorism" are more closely tied to racist ideology promoting white supremacy, such as the Ku Klux Klan. Other groups, such as the Christian Identity movement bridge the gap between racism and religious extremism.

Review the sourcing,

Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement University of N. Carolina Press ISBN 978-0807846384

Chip Berlet 2004 http://www.publiceye.org/rightist/idennlns.html A New Face for Racism & Fascism |work = White Supremacist, Antisemitic, and Race Hate Groups in the U.S.: A Geneology Political Research Associates.

This is evidence Conservapedia has been the target of politcal profiling since 16 March. RobS 00:13, 11 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Also, the linking of certain off-color articles and topics, through Google search, is yet another form of poisoning the well.-- Sysop- TK /MyTalk 00:24, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Im not sure what point Rob is making about Christian Identity, but they are self-avowedly racist. They certainly consider themselves Christian, although it would be easy to argue that their beliefs have little to do with Jesus.[User:Associate|Associate] 01:45, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

From Ed's page
got this contact info:

L.A. Times interview request

 * Hi, I'm a reporter for the Los Angeles Times writing about Conservapedia. I'd love to talk with some frequent writers and editors about the project.... but unfortunately, i have a tight deadline and would have to complete the interviews by mid-day Wed. June 13. Please e-mail me ASAP at stephanie.simon@latimes.com if you'd be able to talk before then. Thanks very much! Stephanie  Flippin ;-) 11:28, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

templates
Please see my note at DocSocks talk page about the recipe approval templates. human <font color="#00AA00">be in 19:44, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Welcome
Thanks. Just adding the basics. Hope your throat feels better. I had my tonsils and adenoids removed when I was four and remember very little about it. Splodge 16:43, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

best of conservapedia
response has been made. Bohdan 22:50, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Hi :) I remember you ! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 23:10, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I've got to clear my name. Bohdan 23:12, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Um, use just one more colon, 'kay? And how do you have to clear your name?  You can always p-mail me here if you need cover and want me to play along (oops, I gave it away!).  Anyway, your name is shit here, hehe, right?  Also, ironically, we worship you here as an idol.  Doesn't that suck?  Or is it cool?   Who only knows? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 23:29, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Um, can you two get a room?--PalMD-yada yada 00:00, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * BOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!! Already gone... :( And he didn't even say hello! I'm going to go cry now. G[[Image:Hammer and Sickle text.svg]]dlessLiberal 00:10, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't you check your email??? Bohdan 00:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)


 * I have responded again. Bohdan 00:19, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Hey, Bohdan, where did you pick up that nasty case of asterisks? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 20:45, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * If it's contagious that's bad. Should we institute a quarantine? Jrssr5 11:14, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

Homeopathy
Have you heard of heel? Tmtoulouse 15:20, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Not until just now. I have seen a lot of people coming in with test results showing "trace element toxicity" and various other trash, and receiving "chelation therapy" from some quack. WB, BTW.--PalMD-yada yada 15:21, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks! Heel is pretty terrible multiple FDA violations for pushing their crap for things like cancer and aids. My cousin just got a full time job working for them as their Minister of Propaganda educational director. When I started talking shit about it my whole family got on my case because of my evil skepticism. Before I left I got about half of them to realize how terrible it really was. The other half almost disowned me. My cousin has a 6 month old baby who she just fired the pediatrician for because we didn't take homeopathy seriously. She is going to find one who does. She doesnt want to get her baby antibiotics because that stops the fever, and the fever gets the toxins out.........so I think I may have one less cousin in a few months. Tmtoulouse 15:26, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I can't describe how sad this makes me feel! God's peed Babel fish<font color="#008888">ÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй† Now look here! 17:19, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

Cryptonomicon
If you've only read that, then I really recommend the Baroque Cycle, which is a sort of prequel. It's not quite as good, but then again, what is? Other than goats, of course ... --<font color="#000088">ויִ<font color="#220066">כִּ<font color="#550044"> נ<font color="#770022">תֶּ<font color="#aa0000">ר ֶפּ רֶ תֵּ ר  שְׁלֹום!
 * Plus, it's three times as long! --Jtl, who's only made it through the first third

pornographic photos?
"In recent months, Conservapedia's articles have been hit frequently by interlopers from RationalWiki and elsewhere. The vandals have inserted errors, pornographic photos and satire" Have we really? -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё
 * Well, that was that photo of Michaelangelo's David. Does that count? --<font face="Monaco,Consolas,Courier New,Courier,Fixed">jtl talk 13:39, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, i did an article on prostate cancer...with pictures. It's probably still there.--PalMD-yada yada 14:03, 19 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Yeah I thought it was wrong for Simon to liberally throw that phrase into the list. As far as I can remember, there was only one morning, when a number of articles became inhabited by 60 nimble-fingered lesbians. --Stevo 15:14, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * 60? Seems like it would be hard to make out relevant details.--PalMD-yada yada 15:15, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually it was 120 lesbians, though only 60 were doing the "nimble fingering". I think the image was deleted before Andy or many people noticed.  --Stevo 15:35, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Maybe Andy asked them to put that in there, seeing as how he thinks WP gets all its pageviews with porn. --Kels 15:17, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

ACD
I always get that wrong. thanks :-) <font color="#cc0000">δαιισρΗ <font color="#cc0000">τ α λκ  15:27, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Dare Ye Follow
--Kels 16:14, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

I am two steps away from giving you MY job
This link brought us almost 2000 unique users to the site today. You are now the public face of RationalWiki :). Tmtoulouse 23:27, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yea!...Oh crap!--PalMD-yada yada 23:38, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

cretinism for creationism
Hehe, I knew someone would find it sooner or later. Did you fix them both? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 14:01, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmmm..guess i didn't look closely enough. I'll leave it for someone else.--PalMD-yada yada 14:14, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

I like DanH's work...
15:11, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Im not too scared, but I'm taking the Pascal's Wager of wiping the BBQ sauce off my arm.--PalMD-yada yada 15:12, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Genetics
You wanted me to add to the article? Or rewrite it:)--TimS 15:29, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'll leave it up to you. It's not "my" article, but I think the topic deserves a more thorough treatment. The current one is a start to avoid too many red links.--PalMD-yada yada 16:20, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, I wrote it because ed poor asked for something easy to read. The only red link I followed was the one he made on a talk page.  But anyway, I think a topic like that should have an "easy entry" article that 'trees' out to many in depth ones - a quick overview, as it were.  But a better one than the way I wrote it ;) It's also not "my" article, either, I just started it.  This is a wiki, after all.  Whne I create these little forays into my dim and distant past "knowledge" I do so with hopes that other people will come in and clean up my mistakes, etc., and turn them into real articles.  I'm better with userboxen...  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 20:05, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Excellent--PalMD-yada yada 21:21, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

My name
You have-Nolifecry about it... 18:15, 21 June 2007 (CDT) Hey, now that is totally sweet!--PalMD-yada yada 18:22, 21 June 2007 (CDT)