Talk:Fast-food Christianity

So what would be sold in the Xn Fast Food chain?

 * Interestingly, there is a Christian fast food chain, and it serves really delicious chicken. (Chick-Fil-A.) Researcher (talk) 17:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I used to work for Chick Fil-A, and I enjoyed the Sundays off. Also, In-n-Out Burgers has Biblical passages on their packaging.   18:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, I'd forgotten about that. 19:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Stupid question...
...but what is that? Who calls it "fast food Christianity"? What specific evidence is there of people doing this? What really differentiates it to "normal" Christianity or the forms we already talk about? In short, is this a real thing or for the deletion pile? narchist 14:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Tozer Devotional, Devotions, "Fast Food" Christianity
 * Fast Food Christianity
 * Fast Food Christianity
 * Fast Food Christianity
 * Fast Food Christianity
 * Fast Food Christians
 * Um, this is rather bullshit, written by people who simply hate religion. No religion, even the sickest of teh christian churches, ONLY cares about tithe.  Can we at least be somewhat honest.  I've never heard teh term, used in the manner that 'cafeteria xians' is used.  but if it's used, it is.  let's at least be honest if it's a snarl word.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot     What do cats dream about? 16:15, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I think the original author got it from the text below:- Fast Food Christianity is consumer-oriented Christianity that treats churchgoers as customers and is oriented toward pleasing them rather than toward remaining true to the Gospel. Since "the customer is always right," a fast-food Christian church waters down its message so as not to scare off its congregants (or their tithes), often taking care to rebuke only other people for their sins.

Listener X changes
LX, your changes are too assuming in scope. There is no such thing as "fast food christianity" so it cannot focus on gospel over law, and I've not read anything that would claim it does. You also removed Foster's important comments about FFC being one of many things in western society that have become commodities and "easy and simple", which is in the end, the single most important issue here. Religion becoming the same as micky d's is to food. -- Godot   On a perdu le contrôle 06:39, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ...so it cannot focus on gospel over law, and I've not read anything that would claim it does. Here is just one example. I have also read a number of neo-Puritan musings on the subject.
 * You also removed Foster's important comments... I think those comments are complete dreck — people have always sought easier ways to do things, and philosophers and prophets have always blasted society for being too superficial and shallow. "Consumerist Western culture" is really just a modern phrasing of what the King James Bible calls "the world." 07:12, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Take care ListenerX, what you wrote was reasonable but Godot, P-Foster, The would be Tyrant and others could be just waiting for an excuse to go for you the way they go for me. Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah. People might disagree with LX, but they rarely have to clean up after him. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 16:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The pastor needs tythe money to keep his church running and avoid unemployment, that's not the whole story but it should be mentioned, see this earelier version. What goes onto the collection plate isn't the whole story but it shouldn't be overlooked either. Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:11, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ""Fast Food Christianity" is a term used to refer to "consumer-oriented" variants of Christianity that stick fast to only one tenet of that religion, viz., the idea that Christians are required to tithe significant portions of their income to the church." Find someone--preferably prominent someones, or lots of someones--using the term that way, and put it in the article, then. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 16:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I wrote that paragraph. It was my "original research," based on my observations of the sort of consumer-oriented, hucksterish churches described as "fast-food" (one of which was actually labeled, on its entrance awning, "House of Worship & Coffee Bar"). There was barely any Christianity discernible in their teachings, but on the question of the tithe they did not budge an inch. 04:35, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

"Speculation," "not a real thing," etc.
The paragraph that is being repeatedly deleted from this article on the grounds that it is "speculation" about something that is "not a real thing" makes no reference to any kind of facts; it is concerned solely with ideas. There are certainly commonalities between the beliefs described as "fast-food Christianity" and the beliefs described as "cafeteria Christianity," even if those terms are just snarl words and nobody actually holds the beliefs they describe. 04:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Then rewrite it in a way that makes it clear that the section is talking about descriptions of beloiefs and not actual beliefs. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 04:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Modern people make effort to do things well.
I'm not getting into an edit war over this but this shouldn't have been reverted. Look at the way we work hard on this website and argue interminably about how the wiki should be. That shows modern people don't expect easy rewards all the time. Many of us are prepared to work hard for what we care about. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, yes we do, but what's it got to do with Fast-food Christianity? And are you implying that, before modern times, people didn't work hard to achieve what they wanted? Sophie  Wilder  17:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Godot and some Christians believe modern people want easy rewards and Fast-food Christianity is part of that trend. As so often Godot and I disagree.
 * 1) Many of us want easy rewards in some areas including religion and cookery.
 * 2) Modern people often want new challenges that weren't available in the past like learning computer and Internet skills. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:28, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It should have been reverted on the simple principle that the writing is atrocious and virtually indecipherable. Theory of Practice "Trampoline" is an Olympic sport now? 17:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ^This is why most of your stuff is reverted. Тy Ask me about frog-backed securities 17:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear gods, that edit was virtually indecipherable. It's on par with "The transitional animal the flying kitty?" 19:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * (EC) Sure, some people want a challenge and to push themselves (there's some kind of thing going in London about that), but most people just want to have an easier life. For every person in an evening class, there are a hundred watching the telly.  Sophie  Wilder  17:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Proxie, jump in a lake. Your need to try to create a battle where there is none, is getting quite old.  The line "there is  a trend" is actually not mine, for what it's worth, though I agree.  It is not just something we said to annoy you, or to make Christians look good or bad (would have thought you wanted them to look bad).  Modern society **is** a throwaway, fast reward for little work society.  this has been documented and studied.  There are always individual exceptions, but we as westerners (and really, most of the world) have become increasingly superficial and lazy.  Technology fuels it, of course, but it's the very "right" of a privileged society which no one can doubt the generalized "west" is.  If you do not know 1) what you are trying to say, 2) why it matters, and 3) if it's even a fact, then quite making things up to try to put something into this article.  You've changed what you've said 3 times, just to try to get around people who are saying "nope", which leads me to think you are pulling it out of your butt, rather than the fact that you actually have looked at what you are writing and asked yourself those three questions.  [[Image:green mowse.png|25px]]Godot L'important c'est d'aimer  19:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I might jump into a lake, after all I can swim. I would make sure it's safe to jump in first. Very seriously though, how does Godot get away with suggesting that other people kill themselves? If I wrote anything like that the whole community would be down on me and the moderators would tell me to stop. Proxima Centauri (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Commented out section
I commented out the "harm section". I tried to rewrite it several times, and can't really come up with something accurate. I'm simply not sure how we can frame it, though i get the point. There is no such thing as a fast-food christian, there is something others say "that's a fast food christian", so it's odd to suggest that the don't have all these moral problems of other churches. As for the 2nd quote, it's interesting information, but pretty heavy for an opening quote.Godot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans  22:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Like with our article on "sophisticated theology" this article is problematic because there is a gap between one user who seems to think these things actually exist, and a larger, reality-based community, who understand that these are just snarl words, and that since they don't really exist, you can't really write articles about them. Theory of Practice Still tryin' to figure it all out. 23:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I think fast food Christianity is a real social phenomenon though a bit amorphous. Critics see people as fast food Christians though people don't see themselves that way.  The pastor at a fast-food church probably knows what he's presenting but won't drive congregants away by pointing it out. Proxima Centauri (talk) 07:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I love it. A person who hates Christianity and Christians has a strong opinion on the quality of the Christianity practiced by some particular churches. Theory of Practice Still tryin' to figure it all out. 14:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Tozer devotional quote
The website from which the quote at the top was taken goes on to say that American advertising companies made tea and coffee "known to most of the civilized world." Utter bollocks. Since they can't get a known historical fact right, can the quote we've borrowed therefore be taken seriously? Sophie Wilder  17:19, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Origins of FFC
1 John 4:7-21 - God is love etc - when we should all be considering Old Nick's middle name. Anna Livia (talk) 16:28, 4 June 2019 (UTC)