User talk:JacobPatt

Just curious, though: Are you Conservapedia's Jpatt? If so, then welcome. If not, then welcome also. 21:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not at all, just used that name to point out that noone can own a name globally on the internet (x-cept for domain names, since everyone uses the same root)JacobPatt 21:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I own the IP 00.00.0.00/0, so I WIN. -- 21:34, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But I own ::/0, 2^96 times bigger MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :P JacobPatt 21:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I won't have cared either way, I was just curious. 21:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * penis 22:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)NotHuman

Templates
I see an awful lot of red sub-templates and very little documentation... 22:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Shades of HoG without the aptitude? 22:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * lolwut?
 * the documentation is on the corresponding wikipedia pages.JacobPatt 23:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * EC) I've proposed all of them for deletion: they're not needed and are over complex for us. Documentation should be with the template, not on WP. 23:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They were all imported to enable and a better version of  It would be nice if there was a namespace function of templates and a auto-import, so these things would be easier to manage.JacobPatt 23:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said below: we consult before pissing about with established things like the quote template. KISS. I'm tempted to vandal bin you (but I won't). We've been here a couple or so years without these over complex templates - remember we're not an encyclopaedia. 23:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, then, we can use those more complex templates in addition or as an alternative to the ones we currently have, then, Toast? 23:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't really like Wikipedia's enormously complicated ways, and the template syntax of mediawiki, IMHO sucks. But the template of wikipedia have a certain, simple, syntax. If it wasn't for the language sucking so much I could reimplament them. Perhaps with Gooniepunk2005's recommendation?JacobPatt 23:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You can always import them to variations of your sandbox. Like here. 23:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think templates can exist in the user namespace, or be used as templates from there.JacobPatt 23:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As long as they're surrounded by and include the namespace, they can be anywhere. Jacob, we're a mobocracy and try to work together. even our great leader has had some ideas turned down.  23:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * They can. Like this one on the right
 * 23:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Od) Please note that templates should be added to the template list when they are created.  23:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Please don't do whatever you did to anger the monsters that are Human and Toast, causing them to revert your edits. They will eat you alive. 23:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They will. They are the supreme rulers here, after all. 23:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nay, we are but humble sweepers up after persons leave crap lying about. 23:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't listen to her. That's how they get you... Oh shit..... 23:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Cabal
You people seem to work like a cabal, I've never attracted so much attention editing a wiki.JacobPatt 23:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no cabal! 23:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If you storm in & make zillions of edits without introducing yourself first, you are likely to be closely scrutinised (there is no cabal). 23:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What Toast said. I started off unsuccessfully too though - the first full article I wrote got deleted within a week for being off topic. (Admittedly, it was, and I was only finding my feet here). There is no cabal. Toast, Human, get me into Cabal please! I've got cookies!   23:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * JacobPatt 23:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Importing complex templates and can't create an internal wikilink? No further comment necessary. (there is no cabal) 23:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that was a link to a specific diff, cause If I linked to the section, which lies at the bottom of the page, then it wouldn't stand out.JacobPatt 23:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC) (This was also edit conflict)

You'll attract a lot of attention if you run all over the place making edits that are poorly written, and upload a bunch of undocumented templates. That will get you noticed. 23:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

New beginning
Might I suggest that before storming around improving the site, you take some time to get to know us and letting us get to know you. While you may have many good points to make, we are rather averse to rapid change, being largely old farts or young firebrands. As I said somewhere, we are a mobocracy and like to operate by consensus. I think you'll find we're easy to get on with as long as you accept that a number of us don't like being told what to do by "upstarts". If you want to import templates from WP, feel free to do so but documentation is all: many of us need the instructions to hand, I find a lot of WP's templates impenetrable and when they include equally dense subtemplates this exacerbates the situation. Also we have a help page for quotes which should be amended to include any new templates. As to article page edits, try to keep in tune with the style of the particular page in question. Best policy is to comment on the talk page before any radical edit. Come chat in the Saloon bar and get to know us and let us know you. 00:37, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Over at Ralph Nader I dug out the dates for all the Acts and sorted them,, and stuck the rest under "Also". What do you think?  01:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Need any help, let me know
Hey, if you have any questions or need any help with anything as far as writing styles and stuff go, feel free to ask me. I remember what it was like being a new editor here; I meant well, but stepped on many toes trying to figure out how to do what I wanted to do. I get the feeling you are in the same predicament, stepping on Human's and Toasts toes this time. I'll be more than willing to help you out, though, if you have any questions and, in general, need/want to be shown the ropes here. Btw, I responded to your Ralph Nader question on my talkpage, too. Cheers. 03:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)