Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive344

Ken is permabanned, so some advice
If he tries to write any more comments on here, please revert and ban. Anything he writes on here, it's already written in Conservapedia in an essay anyhow. You can talk about those, that's fine, but do not directly engage otherwise. Thanks. 05:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * When was this decided? Did we discuss this or did you get up feeling grumpy and pull it out of your arse? There are ways of shutting people down without banning or censoring them. LondonGrump (talk) 06:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, there was a discussion. It lasted 5 days and 24 people voted. 14 people voted for Ken to be permabanned and 10 for him not to be. You could have voted for him to stay. You had your chance. It's too late now. I was the one that did the actual permabanning. So if you want to accuse anyone of being rash and censoring a fucking homophobic troll, you can accuse me. So that I wouldn't be accused of sweeping the momentous banning of the oh-so-important Ken DeMyer who was so important to the history of this wiki under the rug, I posted this announcement in the Saloon Bar. And what the fuck did you think Ken's long rambling essay in which he name checks me several times was about if you didn't know he'd be permabanned here? Spud (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Banning him for being a homophobic troll? That is one of his more desirable qualities.--Mercian (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Eleven mentions vs my three. I think you touched a nerve. 16:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Give me a break. Conservapedia is still there, he's posting his garbage like usual on there, and he's just copypasting his words on here. You'll likely be continuing as normal what you're doing, jeering at his little miserable act. You just shouldn't interact with him directly that's just the difference. All I'm asking is just housekeeping. 18:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Antifa fascists assault an old man in Ken's home town.
The fascist terrorists waded down the street and acting with great machismo violently pushed over a peacefully protesting elderly man and left him to bleed on the ground with none of them stopping to help or protest. Was it Antifa?--Mercian (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Anti-fascist fascists. Sounds legit. — Oxyaena Harass  19:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not even these far right-wingers understand the ideology they're supposed to love so much. Wow. 20:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't miss the genuwine Antifa manual, "dropped ... during a riot" so breathlessly presented as a must-read. It's so heavy handed that any decent satirist would realize it's hopelessly over the top.  I won't spoil any of it's greatest moments by citing them.  But it is a must-read.  Even Snopes can't believe they have to bother. Whoover (talk) 20:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's all bullshit anyway. The policeman's actions did not contribute to Mr Floyds death, it was Coronavirus, a disease CP is in denial about. How stupid are these protestors? They are protesting about a vastly overstated disease no more dangerous than mild flu claiming another victim at the same time not following social distancing rules. What a bunch of hypocrties.--Mercian (talk) 21:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The great scholar Rob Smith gets confused in every post whether it is communist or fascist terrorists rioting against the mighty state and it's leader. Breaking the law and 1st amendment, violently dispersing a peaceful crowd so he could trespass on private property, threaten martial law and using his lackeys to violently silence opposition reminiscent of Joffrey in King's Landing is in no way fascism though. It's the actions of a divinely appointed great leader ousing with machismo. --Mercian (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Quality Vandalism
What the hell, I thought it was funny enough to post over here. Or I'm just bored and can't sleep  -- "Shut up, Brx." 08:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm a wimpy cowardly agnostic.
I would not refuse to show my face for a charitable donation of $20 USD let alone $20,000. I have fought in 4 theatres of war, each time I was scared but every time I put aside my fears and did my job. Tell me the conflicts you have been to. I thought you had overwhelming respect for veterans and in 3 of the 4 cases we were working with or close to the American Army, even the time when one of their Apaches destroyed a British Warrior killing 8 infantrymen. I am bit of a Marty McFly when someone calls me yellow and you are a cowardly cunt. Pro sodomite sluts and whores.--Mercian (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * PS, we were understandably angry after the Apache incident and were not too happy with the Americans that day. We were up for a scrap, the American's were not. They ran away. Truth.--Mercian (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "Of course, given that the New Atheism movement was significantly the result of a wimpy and cowardly agnostic (Is there any other kind of agnostic other than the wimpy and cowardly variety?), it was doomed to failure." --Mercian (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Has Ken been on drugs? 21:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I would wager it's that he needs drugs. AceModerator 21:35, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Given the hours he keeps, it would not come as a surprise if he does meth-- "Shut up, Brx." 21:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyone who knows anything about the subject would know that New Atheism was a result of and a response to the increased overt religious fundamentalism (including Islam in particular) of the early to mid 2000s. 21:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Would any decent man, of any race, religion or non religion, delight in the death of an 8 year old girl describing her as having "A high degree of sexual morality". I am sure he meant immorality but As Richard Ashcroft sang, "The drugs don't work".--Mercian (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * When embarrassment rears it's ugly head he bravely over-sited his posts and fled. Brave brave Sir Kendol.--Mercian (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Rob and Delusions of Grandeur
Rob sez - I know for a fact several prominent media people cull CP pages and MPR for ideas and talking points that they claim as their own and never give us credit. RobSLive Free or Die 19:47, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
 * Amazing. Who are these media people and how do you know? AceModerator 00:20, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Terry Hurlbut is the most prominent "media" person to have every derived anything from CP other than fodder for late night comedy--Hastur! (talk) 00:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Love how you're thinking that you invented pointing a finger while shrieking COMMUNISM! But no, scapegoating people without power as the REAL cause of white people's problems goes way back. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Unreconstructed racism from RobS
He really went off the deep end once Trump came to power--Hastur! (talk) 15:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I;m going to be sick. Spud (talk) 16:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd like RobS to give us a bit more on what really happened than "fake news." Guy who shot up the protest is a militia member who ran for city council on a right-wing platform and ran a Friends of the Albuquerque Police Facebook page.  Is that fake news a conspiracy?  A false flag?  A black guy with a Steven Baca mask?  Never happened?  RobS must know. Whoover (talk) 16:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * He should make up his mind.One moment it's communists, the next fascists and then oxymoronically anti fascist fascists. One group who hold no responsibility are the actual fascist Trump and his lackeys. In the UK I was very disappointing to hear about the violence caused by the pro BLM protests until I discovered it was caused by the likes of the EDL and football thugs. Hitler blamed the Jews and communists for the world's ills and Trump and by extension Rob blames everybody he hates. Fuck Godwin's law, it's appropriate here.--Mercian (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That is one of the absolutely most pathetic "red herrings" I have ever seen. The only fake news I've seen on this story so far (aside from the "whitewashing" of history done on Conservapedia as usual) is the fake news from Russia Today and others found on the "New Mexico Civil Guard's" now-deleted Facebook page.. Soundwave106 (talk) 17:20, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks like we embarrassed him--Hastur! (talk) 04:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Good. Spud (talk) 05:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say his side are losing but I think they have already lost. The (English) Football Association are hot on political protests and symbolism. Even something as uncontroversial like "Support the victims of Grenfell" displayed by a player will result in a yellow card. Overt political support by a club is in no way tolerated and could result in heavy fines or even point deductions. One or two players revealed support for Colin Colin Kaepernick on the field of play and were banned for a game. But today this happened, the man dressed in black is the referee.. If a crusty upper-middle classed classically conservative organisation such as The FA allow this to happen then the feeling at more liberal organisatons must be rapant.--Mercian (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

That's not what happened at all. I thumbnailed the background to the incident upon initial reports. As more reports came out, it not only corroborated what I originally posted, it added more detail. The portion I removed from MPR I was able to condense from one wordy paragraph to a sentence which I moved up in the headlines. The story, including the original MPR links, is permanently part of the 2020 Marxist uprising narrative with it's own subhead.

So no, you didn't embarrass me at all. You helped expose leftwing duplicity and racism. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 18:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

IOWs, Mexicans in New Mexico are proud of their Mexican heritage. They are descendants of Conquistadors and were never slaves. They think Democrats can take their divisive identify politics and stick it up their ass. And they will stand up to fight Democrat hate and violence. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 18:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The real reason why Trump's rally bombed, lack of access to hydroxychloroquine.
--Mercian (talk) 06:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * rofl still props for them admitting they had shitty turnout. I think Andy's gonna be swallowing his pride a lot more this year--Hastur! (talk)  06:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There we go, this'll let Andy save face--Hastur! (talk)  15:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Could one of you hydroxians please come here and explain your hypothesis? Because based on what you've said, the hydroxy must be taken before you start to feel sick i.e. five days before you 'get' COVID-19. Given that you can be contagious for days before you realize it, doesn't this mean that for your concept to work literally every single person in the USA would need to be on the hydroxy every day for the duration as a precaution? It's $15 a day per person at the lowest rates here in the States, but with a steep bulk discount of 66% off and would only be a mere fifteen-hundred million dollars a day. Of course that would require federal efforts to mitigate costs, and Trump seems to love fucking up the market and jacking up costs (see his PPE and ventilator comments with the governors and about a hundred other points of evidence), so that $1.5 billion could be forced to ten times that or more. And you'd also have to convince the die-hard Republicans who spit in your face when you ask them to wear a mask that these 'government drugs' weren't just going to make them gay or whatever nonsense Alex Jones farted out this morning. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Rob has gone completely round the bend.
He’s a fucking lunatic. AceModerator 08:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yikes. This looks like the lede for his Grand Unified Theory on the Source Of All Evil. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 14:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Tearing down a Lincoln statue??? There's talk to take down THIS statue, and if Rob can't understand why he needs to put down the crack pipe.  The Grant statue I'll give him some leeway.--Hastur! (talk)  14:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid to call the election so early, but I think that the clearer it gets that Trump is going to lose the more unhinged we're going to see them get--Hastur! (talk) 14:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * His portion about the virus was one of his most unhinged moments. Paraphrase "If we do not test for "Kung Flu" then we will have no new cases and the virus will disappear." I'm not medical professional but I don;t think it works that way--Mercian (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's the age old question, If a virus spreads in the city and there's no-one there to test it, does it really exist? 147.147.41.102 (talk) 20:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and we could prevent broken bones by destroying all the x-ray machines too! 147.147.41.102 (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The age old question depends if no-one has to be human. Trees will have other life like insects living in them, insects can hear so it does make a noise.--Mercian (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow. I thought it was one of my more profound and illuminating analysis that will withstand the test of time. nobsFree Roger Stone!'' 16:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Greatest conservative sports star Novak Djokovic
Greatest Conservative Sports Star Novak Djokovic speaks out against mandatory vaccination for COVID-19. Djokovic is the #1 tennis player in the world.
 * Has Covid 19.--Mercian (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Would anybody be interested in helping me delete content copied from Conservapedia on another wiki?
I'm an admin on Religion Wiki (part of Fandom) that has several hundred articles copied from Conservapedia. I have decided that to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem, I have to delete all of them. If you'd be interested in helping me, contact me here, tell me your RationalWiki user name, if it's different from your Fandom one and, if I trust you I will make you an admin. Then you can go here and start nuking the fuckers. Spud (talk) 01:36, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've now deleted all the pages in the Articles with content from Conservapedia category. I've also found and deleted a few more that weren't in that category. I think I've got most of them. But I'll probably keep stumbling across pages copied from Conservapedia for years to come. Spud (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Nobs really does seem like he's losing it
He didn't used to babble on MPR so much. Trouble at home?--Hastur! (talk) 19:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Come home. — Oxyaena Harass  20:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Nobs is the new Ken
Editing CP from morning until the wee hours of the night--Hastur! (talk) 04:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have been chatting with Ken fairly extensively as of late. He's actually not a bad person once you get past the weird and crazy beliefs. He has told me he wants to spend less time on CP to pursue personal goals so Rob has to rise to the mantle. AceModerator 05:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Watch out, I have had friendly relations with Ken before, he then turned around and bit my hand off. That is why I have a go at him here, not because of his beliefs but because of his lack of trustworthiness.--Mercian (talk) 17:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What did he do, if you don't mind my asking?--Hastur! (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not exact but how I remember it and the jist is correct. Back in 2017 I praised him for showing occasional signs of being rational etc. He then wrote a few articles on how "Atheist Wiki user finds him less repulsive than other CP syops." I made an account there, posted once or twice than I got a firm welcome from him in the region of, "Atheists are far more likely to get cancer (I am recovering now but then it was still a huge worry), deny this and lose all credibility.", "Children going to pop concerts in England (some as young as 8) deserve to be killed by a terrorist because they are ""Pro sodomite sluts and whores"" deny this and lose all credibility before blocking me so I could not respond or deny. He has a record of doxing and reporting the doxed person to his employer citing "hate speech". He is an untrustworthy scumbag who yes, does on occasion rise above the madness, but still a scumbag.--Mercian (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Unsurprising--Hastur! (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob on the other hand has always been amiable but the lad has totally lost it. MPR after countless MPR postings have blamed everybody for the current unrest and pandemic except Pro Trump conservatives. White Power, White Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter, Antifa etc are all terrorist fascists, Nazis or communists(depending on his mood)under the control of Clinton/Obama/Gates/Soros/Add any conservative bogey man here. Someone who cannot see or accept that God's representative on Earth is the problem is not just closing their eyes, they have had them surgically removed.--Mercian (talk) 22:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think he may be reaching the point where his rhetoric and mental excuses can't hold the alternate reality together anymore against the facts. Once you see the cracks, they tend to get bigger and bigger until a reckoning happens. The response, then, is either to pause and re-assess, or to double down and push against the doubts and reach new extremes. Nobs has chosen the latter. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also I don't read CP; has he started drinking the Q-aid there? Semipenultimate (talk) 15:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comparable to Ken's most manic episodes.--Mercian (talk) 19:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken returns after 10 days and posts "Atheism and Cancer". Do people still think he is a good guy? Get back in your shell you pro terrorist pro murder scumbag.--Mercian (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Chess benefits
Anyone know what to make of this brain fart?. Checkmate is the result of substance abuse? AceModerator 02:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think "checkmate" here is a metaphor for dying from an overdose. Whoover (talk) 18:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

CP down
Did Andy bork something or did he piss off some script kiddies?--Hastur! (talk) 02:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * He periodically takes the site down to back up the database. I don't know with what regularity but it's not uncommon. I had a bot pinging the API to pull patrol logs for a certain gentleman and could query my database to look for 404s to discern a pattern but I'm not that interested. If you are I can send you a metric shit ton of data to process. Nutty Roux (talk) 03:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

God has a sense of humour.
I am having trouble understanding what he means. Is God responsible for Covid 19? Is he teasing us with a cure? What?--Mercian (talk) 03:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * So... Andy thinks 135,00 dead Americans is God having a laugh, because they lose their sense of smell before they die? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * i am guessing from the article he links to, hes tickled by the idea that people are struggling to ind an effective test for covid which would work in an instant to prevent asymptomatic infected people jumping on a ane or entering bars and restaurants when all that is needed is to check the sense of smell. for some reason he feels its simple and effective when compared to the various electronic thermometers being tried, in a similar vein to the day of the triffids (the film with howard keel) when they spend so much time and trouble trying to fnd a way to kill the triffids when at the end its simple salt water that does it. or in war of the worlds, its microscopic bacteria that ends the martians. its not belly laughs sure. i think thats what hes on about - im being generous here. the article he links to isnt nowhere near as convinced as he is. wishful thinking that there is a simple solution perhaps.
 * actually there is a simple solution for prevention of spreading covid via the asymptomatic, they are called face masks AMassiveGay (talk) 11:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours but I think that God's got a sick sense of humour and when I did I expect to find him laughing."--Mercian (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * God may have a sense of humor, but Andy certainly does not. I long ago gave up trying to get any of his jokes. Whoover (talk) 20:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * He neglects to consider that the same contrarian assholes who spit when you tell them they have to wear a mask to protect others will spit with the same hateful determination if asked to describe a smell. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

"The Catholic church is a corrupt joke"
I'm eager to see what Schlafly does once this anti-Catholic revolt makes its way to CP's mainspace--Hastur! (talk) 06:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Andy is too far to the right to care about religion, his god is Trump. This statement shows that he is putting all his eggs in the Navarro basket whilst continuing to denounce Facui, so that's pro life out of the window. He like his heroes care nothing if millions dies as long as Trump continues to sit on the throne, that's democracy and the rule of law (not including the jackboot) out of the window. The Trump presidency in general and the Covid 19 pandemic in particular really has shown Andy and his ilk's true colours. In November he will have nowhere to go. He had a chance to temper his extremism just a little and at least appear on the right side of history instead his has moved even further to right and sticks up his finger to all people, whatever race, age, political persuasion or age who do not follow his saviors goals religiously. A very bitter, twisted and sad man, just like his god Donald.--Mercian (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * It's all out in the open now. Catholic = conservative, Protestant = liberal. That's why the CBP was created, to correct the "mistakes" liberal bible thumping Protestants made. Even Andy's pre-Vatican II neanderthal experts don't want any part of this blasphemy and heresy. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 19:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * One man's heresy is another's Ninety-Five Theses. So in the sense that Catholicism had a great world-controlling power structure and Protestantism sought to end it and/or get a piece of the action (gross oversimplification but this is the fucking Internet), then yes, Protestantism could be viewed as representing the spirit of change and rebellion against entrenched power that you pigeonhole as 'liberal' i.e. in your mind 'evil/Satanic'. This highlights the plastic and changeable nature of religious belief over time. I know this upsets you, because you would prefer to believe that the way you relate to and interact with god is in the exact same way as your ancestors, and not subject to change over time. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:24, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also please no links to Great Apostasy bullshit. Claims to being the 'original real true Christianty!' are just more efforts to try and create a comforting historical continuity where none exists. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:27, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This shit is outrageous.
 * I'm an "anti-Catholic zealot" because I removed a reference to priest pedophilia.
 * "some conservative Christians are also fond of citing Scripture selectively ....such as criticizing the Catholic Church for covering up child molestation". Where are the scriptural cites that condone child molestation? No answer.
 * "Espousing cafeteria Christianity [like selectively criticizing pedophilia] invalidates a person's Christian witness."
 * I think I may take a break from that den of iniquity. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 03:51, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * All Christians are cafeteria; liberal, conservative or moderate. All pick and choose which parts of The Bible they follow or dismiss.--Mercian (talk) 04:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, nobs, people get upset when you reveal uncomfortable truths about the concepts they've used as the foundations for their lives, and rather than look to incorporate such truths into their worldview and admit they're capable of making a mistake and/or being tricked by their earthly leaders, they turn inward even more. What luck that you happened to be born into the one true faith for which none of that applies, and you never need to grow or change. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Nah, I wasn't born into it. I was dragged kicking and screaming into the Kingdom of God. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 19:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Then what luck you happened to select the one true faith later in life, and -now- you never need to grow or change. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It begins with the faith of mustard seed; now I got birds nesting in my hair. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 22:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Poor, poor Nobsie. It's sad to see an old man going off the rails...


 * Also, stay off the bong. You're too old for that. Gunther1987 (talk) 23:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

At a tangent: if you want to distinguish mainstream party corruption from Communism, Rob, start by learning a little about Communism. LondonGrump (talk) 20:16, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Haven't you seen? My Communism article has gone viral. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 15:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I was worried about making Gallagher the face of the Communist threat, but Millennials evidently are too stupid to know who he is. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 16:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Like I say, you could start by learning a little about Communism. That's better than the arse about face Conservapedia article about Marxism, but it's still shit.  Some constructive criticism - it's great on rhetorical illustration and example but doesn't really engage with what Communism, in all its varieties, actually is.   You could also tone down the invective and stop cherry picking your historical examples.  That would, of course, involve learning a little about Communism.
 * Oh, and being cited by the Gateway Pundit is no more a mark of quality than ten trillion flies eating shit every day is a reason to tuck into a turd. LondonGrump (talk) 17:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Not to be critical, but it kinda sounds like using a condom while having sex with somebody with gonorrhea. Is it worth the risk of condom breaking? nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 19:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Your article is the intellectual equivalent of masturbating over someone you're afraid to approach.  You control the entire experience without having to deal with the reality.  LondonGrump (talk) 23:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What's so holy about communism anyway? What's so awe inspiring about mass murder and godlessness? c'mon with it. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 17:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Nobody apart from you has even gone in that direction, Rob. I'm just trying to stop you embarrassing yourself in public.  Even my youngest knows better than to talk loudly using words he doesn't understand.LondonGrump (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm utterly staggered by the hypocrisy at CP now around Trump. Rob is one of the worst. AceModerator 21:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Every murder, assault, jaywalk and mouthy kid are part of the leftist insurrection against the divinely appointed Trump government. If these elements were neutralised with hollow point "Bama bullets" then all crime will gone and Covid19 will be free to ravage America. Covid19 ravaging America is Trump's and by extension God's punishment for his downturn in popularity. "If they don't support me fuck them" That is effectively what Rudy Giuliani said the day after Trump was elected.--Mercian (talk) 22:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I haven't written much on Trump, at all, ever, other than cataloging attacks on him. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 15:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You watching his presser rn? Stable genius ftw. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 22:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I rarely follow Trump at all, Not his tweets, pressers, etc. Truthfully, I couldn't make sense out of anything Papa Bush, Baby Bush, or Trump ever said; Clinton & Obama made me wanna puke just looking at them. And Reagan didn't have much to say his last few years. So I really haven't listened to any President in a long time. And presidential candidates are even more sickening. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 02:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You would have no time to follow him closely as you spend all your time trying to find ways to blame every crime or nuisance in America on everybody but him and his supporters. A number of your posts don't even have links or references. If the Proud boys cause crap you find a way to blame to blame communist Nazi (and Anti Nazi) fascist BLM supporting democrats. Perhaps following Rick Wiles advice to stop them all with "Bama Bullets" is more up your street.  If that were to happen you would find a way to blame the communist Nazi etc. It would certainly not be Wiles fault as he is a good wholesome conservative.--Mercian (talk) 13:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Who are the Proud Boys? Really, I only have a vague idea from a few sources. MSM obviously cannot be trusted and must be dismissed, and I'll be goddammed if I follow or repeat their hate narratives. And Proud Boys rarely show up from any of my sources. So not only am I not inclined to investigate them, as they have never been a threat to my rights, I have no reason or need to defend them. 98% of what I hear of 'Proud boys' comes from certified liars on the Left and in the media. That doesn't generate sympathy for Proud boys, but only more suspicion of the Left and media. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 17:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Again "The Left". LondonGrump (talk) 17:43, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You have an alternative label? It was leftist communism in China that created the global pandemic and economic meltdown; it is the left murdering people in the streets (see Portland homicide statistics; they haven't had more than 5 a month in two years. Now they have one per day. Click on the [Homicide Offenses 29 section]). What is wrong with "Leftist" thinking or ideology? Something is seriously wrong with anyone who thinks believing, voting, tossing bricks through windows, blocking traffic, getting in a strangers face with this crap will build a better world. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 17:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * By your logic if a bat in rural America bit someone resulting in SARS_COV 3 transmitting and another pandemic that would mean America and Trump's far right government created it. You are so full of BS that I can smell you across The Atlantic.--Mercian (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I know you're busy with your Corsi-level investigative research, but it wouldn't take long to find out about the Chinese government, the COVID virus or the situation in Portland. Bit by bit, a few minutes every time you stop for coffee, and you'll see the world differently. LondonGrump (talk);
 * Oh, I'm right on top of the latest significant events. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 06:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Grump I think you misunderstand the nature of his side of the relationship. We're just the mistress he shacks up with when he's on the outs with the wife; this time after going on a tear about her 'king in Rome'. We're strictly a port of convenience for him. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Andy is accepting defeat
He's been trying to rationalize for a while now. It's not Trump, it's his ADVISORS--Hastur! (talk) 17:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So in Andy's head it goes, Facebook is evil. Anything that gets kids away from the evil Facebook is by default good. But one of Andy's great conservative heroes speaks out against something Andy has already decided is definitely good. The solution? The great conservatove hero doesn't really think that. Typical Andy really. Spud (talk) 04:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's bizarre. It's clear that Trump is actually to dumb/arrogant to listen to anyone who doesn't say what he wants to hear.  But now Andy's argument is that Trump is in fact to weak/gullible to disagree with his advisers. I would never have thought that I would disagree with a criticism of Trump - buy I'm not buying the new weak/gullible one. He's probably right about the gullible though. Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 09:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I wonder how CP will interpret no College Football this year, and finally recognize Trump is the reason the season is impossible.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Diminished Capacity to Entertain
July was the first month in a long while (ever?) without a WIGO:CP. That's very healthy. Whoover (talk) 15:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It definitely hasn't been the first time ever. To be honest, I'm surprised that somebody found at least one thing worth pointing and laughing at for every month from January 2019 until June 2020. Spud (talk) 04:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we've just become desensitised because the staggering stupidity is still there. Take today's MPR, for example.  An MSBNC producer resigns over fake news and calls the channel a cancer - the item it links to says she thinks it gives Trump a disproportionate amount of time and not enough time to discussing how to vote by mail.  Antifa terrorist trained in Libya?  Article says the DHS claims some antifa fought alongside anti-ISIS and anti-Assad forces.  And so on...LondonGrump (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also Nobs is labeling a prosecutor a communist because???? Like this is particularly egregious.  They're not even pointing to Kim Gardner supporting any kind of social programs like public housing.  They're calling her a communist without even a tangential relationship to communism--Hastur! (talk)  23:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Charging people for exercising their God-given right to bear arms is not Communist? nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's for a while now: Democrat = Communist. Whoover (talk) 00:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually they flip flop, a lot and quickly. One hour they are communist and the next fascist. Or are they two different factions within The Democratic Party?--Mercian (talk) 00:17, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Aye, the fascist democrats and the commie democrats have been at war for a while now...--Hastur! (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that Hitler and the Fascists were leftists. Since Stalin and FDR were leftists too, I think the right sat out WWII. Whoover (talk) 00:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You think it was a coincidink that both the commie flag and nazi flag were revolutionary red? nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And the fascists all joining far-right parties after the war just means they found Jesus and became born-again--Hastur! (talk) 00:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Old news; now you are reading DNC talking points from the 1980 election. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


 * There's no such thing as the far-right. It goes: God, conservatives, and then increasingly evil shades of leftist. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 01:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Bingo. Helen nails it. Now before you all guffaw, stop and examine for a moment your own thinking and idioms. The Left-Right spectrum was designed for a democratic, multiparty system. Such does not exist in your communist Nirvanna.nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 02:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think anyone sensible has used a straight right-left spectrum for over a century. Even at school, and I'm only a whisker younger than you Rob, we used the left/right libertarian/authoritarian grid. LondonGrump (talk) 08:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You caught us, Rob. We're all communists who hate democracy--Hastur! (talk)  02:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You want my gun? Come gitit, it's right here. Better yet, why don't you send Joe Biden or Barak Obama to come get it. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 02:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * --Hastur! (talk) 02:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no left or right or democracy. All that remains is my human rights. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 03:00, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Mexico defunded its police a long time ago. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 03:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Nobody bought up guns until you (nobs) decided to threaten us with them. --Mercian (talk) 10:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As Susan Rice would say, I never threatened nobody. Are you looking for the hidden Trump vote in polls? Look at the record gun sales, and many of them are also likely undecided Democrats, black and white, scared shitless by leftist lunacy. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Nobs, you've got the makings to be the 21st century's own William Luther Pierce. I can just picture The Nobsy Diaries: "'All that remains is my human rights', he wrote, finishing and signing his manifesto, as he picked up his rifle and sighted down at the commie-homo indoctrination center that dared call itself a school." Semipenultimate (talk) 19:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Terry Hurlbut on Quora claims to to hold a B.S. from Engineering & Social Sciences from Yale University
I thought he was a medical doctor.--Mercian (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Top right click credentials--Hastur! (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed...
...that CP has been down for a couple days now? AceModerator 20:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Wonder what's going on?  I've gotten a few different errors but the most common one is 500--Hastur! (talk)  20:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a joint DDOS attack from the DNC and their CCP allies. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 20:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course it is dear. AceModerator 20:57, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * About time that the Chinese recognize the REAL threat to their degenerate liberal dogma--Hastur! (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * They seem to have advanced from 500 to 403. Whoover (talk) 21:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We're all on high alert. The commie coup is operational. nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, the reds. AceModerator 22:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Has Generalissimo Terry got his generator ready? LondonGrump (talk) 04:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's back up now. I wonder how many people noticed it was gone?  It's not like Wikipedia.  If people need to know something they don't think to themselves "hey, let's search for it on Conservapedia."  At this point Conservapedia is basically just a blog for a handful of rightwing rejects--Hastur! (talk)  08:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's been at that point for ten years. Avida Dollarsher again 10:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 'I understand' that 'the UK submarines that spend most of their time circling the globe underwater' when they surface check that all is well with the world by tuning in to BBC Radio 4 (and a few other activities). Would using CP for the same purpose cause RW to mutate to some equivalent of this wiki? Anna Livia (talk) 14:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm still getting 403. Does that mean that I'm on some new block list?  Years ago, I was blocked for some unknown reason for months until my IP changed. Whoover (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It allowed me to look at the Main Page and recent changes and then went into sulk/error mode. Is it because I am UK? Anna Livia (talk) 14:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y5xY829UoY They can't afford to be down, what with how they've got to correct their entries for the ending date of WWII and also the Spanish Flu timeframe - Can you believe CP has the end date of WW2 late by almost three decades? Laughable!] I see now why you don't pay attention to what Trump says nobs, then you'd actually -NOTICE- the dementia, instead of your current plausible deniability. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, did you know that we must choose truth over facts because of how corn pop was a bad dude, seeing the necessity for an O'Biden 'bama Democrat- er, never mind. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to wait to judge Biden's physical and mental phyl...his physical and mental fil...you know the thing. nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's an idea: Has anybody tried playing Biden's comments backwards to discover what he's really saying? nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * But why? Why why why why why why why? Why why why why why? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We need leaders who can inspire us. nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah the utter hypocrisy of Rob and the rest of his ilk at CP. "Obama said 'bomb' instead of 'bombs' when talking about Pearl Harbour! He shouldn't be president", "Trump thinks WW2 ended in 1917...no problem". AceModerator 21:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you had visited all 57 states- er, hold on a sec... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ace is being unfair; in a spirit of bipartisanship and national healing CP could adopt We Choose Truth over Facts as our new logo. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If only CP would work... I'm still getting "403 - Forbidden" pop-ups that read "Access to this page is forbidden." Is that what you're seeing when trying to go to Conservapedia? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way RobSmith, I've noticed for the past few months that the editors on RW here will focus heavily on particular MPR posts by some CP admins, yet completely ignore the contributions of relatively newer users. Is there a particular reason for that? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CP is broadcasting just fine to the great state of Texas. 04:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Then why would I be denied access with a "403 - Forbidden" notice? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This article may have the answer. Alternate theory, since most of CP is semi-illiterate in tech, they might have fucked up a range-block. 04:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why would I even get range-blocked from seeing any CP articles? Besides, I thought IP-blocks are only to halt vandals and not prevent people from reading articles. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's a range block, it's a doozy. My phone gets a 403 too and those "isitdown" sites are getting it too. Whoover (talk) 04:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I presume that RW contributors are from a wide range of geographical and IP locations, it is something serious. Possibly the 'know-it-all teenage tech support persons' are on their holidays or have found something better to do: or 'the sentient parts of the internet' have taken against CP. Anna Livia (talk) 10:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CP could adopt We Choose Truth over Facts as our new logo. You are already there, certainly about the "Facts" part. The faith part is and has never been true. CP uses an illusion of faith to justify false accusations of treason, execution by stoning,the murder of school children and visual comparisons of liberals and/or atheists to rat infestations. At least once a fortnight a story is posted in which Bradlee Dean uses faith to justify killing someone who does not 100% comply to their extremist agenda.--Mercian (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, and if adopted Joe Biden as our mascot, all the accusations of racism from CP critics when suddenly become valid. nobsBlack Guns Matter 16:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please edit your statement to add some kind of meaning to it. As-is, it is arglebargle. Is the gist that if you suddenly supported Biden but maintained your total opposition to non-white immigration and refugees, kept treating all border arrivals as child smugglers, maintained your support for police escalation at all times against non-white people, continued to oppose any and all forms of mandated integration such as bussing or anti-redlining legislation, and insisted that each and every unarmed Black person shot in the back by police had it coming? The answer is you would all still be the same shameful, hateful piles of shit you are today - but you won't, because you're proud of your cruelty and what it's wrought on the helpless. Savvy? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why is it that most of the editors on this site have a high affinity for swearing and gibberish? Is that supposed to reflect on the name of this site or to prove that "RationalWiki" is an oxymoron? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob just gets cranky sometimes. It's fine. 20:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just trying to follow the example set by the august current occupant, of whom you are so proud. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Looks like a mega-range block. I can get to CP via a proxy server but not my ISP or Verizon. Whoover (talk) 22:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Now I'm getting a 500 error. Ok then. 22:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Liberaltears from CP proven right!
A few days ago on CP, I asked a question on Talk:Main Page there in regards to who could replace Sen. Kamala Harris in the Senate such that she's the VP pick (she now is) and Biden somehow gets elected. Now there's an article on The Hill conjecturing exactly that! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Alternate theory, the obvious question was obvious. 14:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright then, here's another example where I'm proven correct: A few months ago amidst the Nebraska primary elections, I noted Sen. Ben Sasse to be a RINO (I added "Category:RINOs" to the page), and guess what? After Sasse won his primary and resumed his display of willingness to obstruct Trump, the president himself recently called the senator a RINO on Twitter! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, Trump called McCain and Cruz RINOs so... Better evidence? Also, obstruct what exactly? What exact law is he violating? How do you know that? What's your sources? 15:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I said "willingness to obstruct". Sasse opposed Trump's executive orders after extensive gridlock in Congress, where little to nothing was accomplished. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * After reviewing his political positions... Um... Calling him a RINO seems... Um... how shall I put this? Stupid. Yeah, he backtalked the president, so what? First amendment. According to the Hill, he opposed an executive order and his reasoning for his position seems solid. Or at least internally consistent. Can you show me any laws he violated? Not articles on the drama, laws. If he wasn't legally allowed to do oppose that Executive Order, it'd shouldn't be too hard to demonstrate. If he was legally allowed to do so, um... tough shit? That doesn't really make him a RINO. 16:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, that's mostly a good point to add. Just to note though, Sasse opposed Trump on tariff policies, echoing globalist sentiments. And as I said on his "willingness to obstruct", I was largely referring to Sasse's eagerness to criticize Trump and oppose him on certain issues despite great outcomes that the latter's policies bring. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 16:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Can I have a better source on the Tarrif claim? I know you CPers like Fox, but as you know, we here at RW tend to be more critical of it. 16:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So Sasse represents Kansas pig farmers who export sweet and sour pork for Chinese buffets. BFD. Somebody has to. Would you rather a communist do it? nobsBlack Guns Matter 16:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd rather you be quiet when the adults are talking.--Mercian (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's CNBC from 2018. And so what? Sasse was standing up and representing his local agricultural interests. Good on him. The term "RINO" is shit, it implies one must have blind, unwavering loyalty to a particular set of opinions in order to be a Republican. That's not politics, that's cultism. Soundwave106 (talk) 21:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You have to be from Kansas to understand Kansas culture. The Civil War started over Kansas. Kansas's most famous political icon is the Democrat anti-Semite and Wall Street banker conspiracy theorist, 3 time Democrat presidential looser (a record), Williams Jennings Bryan (of the Scopes Monkey Trial fame). Those are big shoes to fill. The problem was covered in the book, when a few sane people started voting Republican. nobsBlack Guns Matter 21:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh god. I actually know Thomas Frank from college when he ran The Baffler. you've literally got his thesis back to front. 2601:249:8D00:5242:3405:4E90:1F34:245B (talk) 03:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob. Are you going to sit there and tell me that a Pro-life, Pro-gun, anti-ACA, anti-climate science, anti-prison reform, Anti-China Senator from Kansas is a RINO because he backtalked Trump a few times? Are you honestly going to sit there and try to sell me such a blatant crock of crap? 22:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The only thing I know about Sasse is from the Gorsuch hearings. He appears to be a team player. Whatever positions he has to take to please a segment of racist/communist/Democrat voters entrenched in his state has little or no bearing in national politics (remember the Cornhusker Kickback in neighboring Nebraska? they got rid of the communist SOB).  As a result of the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854 (the year the GOP was founded), Kansas is Democrat and Nebraska is Republican. A Democrat in Nebraska, like Ben Nelson, or a Republican in Kansas like Ben Sasse, always walks a tightrope.  Nobody outside those two states pays close attention (except possibly the MSM if they think they can exaggerate some bullshit or other).  nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob, grow some fucking balls. Are you seriously trying to sell me this crap, yes or no? 22:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Eh, you don't need to attack RobSmith over this, since I brought up the topic anyways. Just to note, I never removed "Category:Conservatives" from the "Ben Sasse" page on CP since the senator does have a mostly conservative record on legislation, as the "Category:RINOs" applies to his strong opposition to many of Trump's executive actions. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me spell it out: Trump calling Sasse a RINO helps Sasse among Kansas Democrat voters which Sasse needs. nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Kansas? Sasse is from Nebraska. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Bullshit Rob. In my opinion, and granted I am a leftist, calling someone a RINO should be reserved for someone whose political positions are well outside the official Republican party platform. Let me illustrate this a bit. If Bernie Sanders was registered as a Democrat, I'd have no problem with someone calling him a DINO, as the bulk of his policies fall outside those of said party. So, yes, I do find this to be a bit petty and ridiculous that you CPers hold such a position. Sasse is a loyal republican, and because he got angry at Trump for potentially hurting his state, which looks bad for him and his party, he gets called a RINO. I don't like the man, but that's just not right.  22:45, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, LT you are correct. I don't know why I said he was from Kansas. Sorry. 22:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Eh, you're fine. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

You're missing the point. Calling someone a RINO has nothing to do with national politics. The cases of Ben Sasse and Susan Collins are excellent examples. Both are popular back home. Both represent a bi-partisan coalition of voters in their respective states. in a six year term, they have to look for something to be able to criticize Trump with to generate headlines backhome. They never oppose the party on big issues, such as the budget, Supreme Court nominations, or other important legislation. When the national news media has to take what is exclusively a local issue, and try to make a story out of it as if it's a national story, is evidence it's pretty weak. So at a White House cocktail party Sasse says, "Mr. President, I'm going to criticize you on such and such and may even have to vote that way." Trump responds, "Good. I'll even call you RINO, if that helps". nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think Sen. Collins is that popular in Maine anymore... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Notice for example most Senate votes are 98-0. Why? Cause the leaders, McConnell and Schumer abstain, just so a Senator isn't accused of "voting with McConnell" or "voting with Schumer". Same thing happens in the House. Most House votes always have 5 abstentions, the Speaker, Majority and Minority Leaders and Whips abstaining. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * A true RINO or DINO is somebody who gets their RNC, DNC, RCCC, DCCC, RSCC, or DSCC funding cut off and looses committee assignments. It's rare, but it does happen occassionally. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So if that's the case, then would Tim Huelskamp and Steve King be considered "RINOs" by definition? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way RobSmith, with "RSCC" and "RCCC", were you trying to refer respectively to the NRSC and NRCC? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes, and yes. Also  in the 80s when he was a Democrat.
 * Don't underestimate the importance of the party funding of campaigns. In my state for example, Sen. Pete Domenici served as U.S. Senator for six terms in a Blue State. How is that possible? Easy. He cut a deal with other Democrat bigwig Senators decades beforehand to vote certain ways on certain budget issues with them. They in turn agreed to never spend any DSCC or DNC money in his state to defeat him. Hence, every Democrat opponent was totally dependent upon the state party and local donors, whereas he always had the backing of the national p[arty, as well as D.C. lobbyists. This kind of deal making is common in D.C.. Call it what you like, "the establishment", "the swamp", the "uniparty", "the Deep State" (usually applied to Executive Branch agencies, by longtime legislators keep the funding to it and get their phone calls returned when they need a favor for their constituents). nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sasse is from Nebraska? Same difference. Kansas and Nebraska are just a bunch of inbred white folks loyal to party name brand, except Kansas, which has more descendants of Black Freedmen who in recent years lost all their jobs to China. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have any specific sources for the information on Sen. Domenici? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * About the deal he cut? Off the top of my head, no. But this is a very common practice. It's a little easier to spot. He was on the Senate Budget Committee with Bob Byrd the Grand Wizard and the fellow from Montana (I forget his name). It didn't matter what party controlled the Senate, these same guys wrote the Senate version of a budget bill every year that then had to be negotiated with the House and White House (IOWs, little or no cross-isle negotiation in the Senate itself). They brought home the bacon for their states (all three small, poor,  states dependent on federal funding), and could trade or award federal funding for federal projects with Senators of other states.
 * What I said about his local challengers can be verified from FEC records.
 * Lemme give you an example of pork funding: the Albuquerque bus system is 80% subsidized by the federal government; Albuquerque is the home of Sandia Laboratories, one of 4 national laboratories. A commuter bus route runs from the suburbs to the door of the National Laboratory every morning at 4 AM. This is "national security". Never mind nobody rides the bus and they all drive their own cars. But this special subsidy probably goes back to WWII and the early Cold War. That's only one example. Truth be told, without federal money coming in the state, per capita income would be about the same as Juarez and Chihuahua, Mexico, about 1/3. Even with all this federal money - not possible without Dominici on the Budget Committee - our per capita is still only 3/4 of the national average.
 * In the House it's a bit different. It's more difficult to form cross-the-isle coalitions. The Rules are different and the Senate is a seniority system - Senators get to choose their committee assignments based on seniority. In the House committee assignments are assigned by kissing Leadership ass. Breaking ranks is no no-no. Senators have much more leeway. nobsBlack Guns Matter 03:47, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * In the House, AOC would be an example of a DINO when she came in; she has since learned much and straightened up. AOC's organization, Justice Democrats (and AOC herself) spent money to knock off incumbent party regulars. I'm not up to date on the immediate story, but she was told in no uncertain terms they she would receive no help from the DNC or DCCC if she continued funding primary challenges to against incumbent Democrats, for which she was actively soliciting fundraising for, together with a published targeted "hit list" of Democrats after she was "inaugurated".  She stuck with Bernie against Biden and the establishment to the end. She mounted a challenge against Pelosi in January 2017. The New York party threatened to re-district her out of seat after the 2020 census. She now has come to an accommodation with the DNC and DCCC - she's ascended in power within the establishment, and has abandoned publicly soliciting money to challenge the DNC and DCCC. She'll fall in line like Kamala, forget Biden's racism and start singing his praises. By contrast, Rashida Tlaib has yet to endorse Biden.  Unless Tlaib wants money for the Fall, she needs to shape up real quick.  Otherwise she's on her own. nobsBlack Guns Matter 04:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems that AOC is certainly shilling for her party establishment just enough to narrowly try avoiding a redistricting battle; she decided to endorse the far-left Sen. Markey over the latter's primary challenger Joe Kennedy III, who's even more far-left. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:32, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Markey introduced her Green New Deal in the Senate. AOC is doing what Bernie could never do since 1981 - changing the DNC from the inside. nobsBlack Guns Matter 04:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

CP is still down
Conservapedia still seems to be down; every time I try to access any pages on the site, this pop-up appears: LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems to be working at the moment. Anna Livia (talk) 15:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * How is it working for you? It still doesn't for me. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Doesn't CP's web host have a feature that lets IP ranges not even access the site? Could be that your town is on Schlafly's blocklist.-- 79.79.118.135 (talk) 15:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why would my IP be blocked from accessing the site? The "403 - Forbidden" error never popped up prior to a few days ago. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * All the range blocks were introduced by TK and have long since been removed. It's not an IP block thing, it's just that noone there has the faintest idea what they are doing and they all suck at IT.  And assfly doesn't care about his toy any more, he just lets the children shit all over it while he gets on with more important things [the user formerly know as oldusgitus who has forgotten his loggin details.] &mdash; Unsigned, by: 90.251.93.194 / talk
 * The thing is that I don't believe I've ever been range-blocked like this before, so I don't get why I would see such a notice all of a sudden when trying to access the site. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As the previous post pointed out, your address could be collateral due to limited tech skills. 15:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * LT - I am UK which might affect things - and there were times when I could look at one page on CP and then it would get broken if I moved.
 * I suppose it depends upon how much pressure can be applied to the teenage-computer-know-it-alls (we all know them) to actually do something appropriate. Or 'the sentient entities living within the tubes' are playing games. Anna Livia (talk) 16:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm currently getting 504s (Gateway Timeout) after a long load, from both my US based machine and a web server located in the Netherlands. That's definitely a "something's messed up on their end" issue, not an IP block. Soundwave106 (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you guys suppose you can take a screenshot of what pops up when trying to access CP, crop it down to only the necessary details, upload it to RW and post it here? Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 18:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Very interesting discovery
Despite CP being down, I took a hint on a Quora forum somewhere regarding web proxies and used https://www.proxysite.com/ to successfully access Conservapedia; the only problem was that I couldn't edit. For some absurd reason, it seems that many of the other CP editors can access the site normally, but I apparently can't. What in the world is going on? I seriously have almost nothing better to do in my life currently aside from CP editing! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You seem like a nice enough, although earnest, kid, so I'll warn you that editing CP with a proxy has been grounds for getting banned and defamed by people like Karajou for being the sockpuppet of someone else who used the proxy and also got banned for being the sockpuppet of someone else who used the proxy who was also banned for being the sockpuppet of someone else who used the proxy. CP sysops routinely checkuser even established editors. Be careful. Also, editing this site has also been grounds for a ban on CP. Nutty Roux (talk) 01:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, and the good news is that I've just found a proxy that allows for editing on CP. I'm aware of the CP rule against editing via proxy, and specified that in my comment there; regarding whether editing on this site might get me banned on CP, since nobs currently isn't banned there despite coming here, I wouldn't worry as much about it as compared to the editing-through-proxy concern. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:56, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am completely baffled that you would go to all this effort to edit a website full of lies and slander that obviously doesn't give a shit about you, whose controllers would ban and dox you at a moment's notice without giving it a second thought. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 02:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Firstly, CP is based on facts and is actually completely rational (and also doesn't allow for profanity). Secondly, most of the editors on the site are great, even if I may sometimes hold certain irritations towards Shobson20, RobSmith and VargasMilan over etcetera. Thirdly, I don't think they'll "ban and dox" me, since I've made over 3,000 edits to the CP mainspace, particularly on updating stubs and creating and/or expanding some pages on U.S. politicians. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "CP is based on facts and is actually completely rational" Oh son, we'll have to take you through a tour of the Best of the Public, or hoe autumn leaves prove God, or how only teenagers make significant discoveries (unless they're dinosaur fossils), or literally any of whatever the hell Ken spews out. Or how the fact that eating a pound of cake doesn't increase your energy by the speed of light squared. CP is a close to the trust, or rationality, as trump is faithful to his wives. Seriously though - we don't need to edit there. Just read Ken's stuff, or see what Ed Poor did to the maths articles and you guys wrecked any credibility you might have had years ago. America is supposedly more conservative than ever - so why are still shunned by the entire conservative community? Hell, even Alex Jones doesn't use you as a source. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 04:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why do you guys even refer to Conservative as "Ken"? I don't quite understand that... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

1) LT: That's because it's his real name: Conservapedia:Conservative. He seemed to acknowledge this fact the last time he was here (User talk:GiuocoPiano). 2) RoundeTheeHorne: It's probably not worth arguing with LT about CP factuality: he's a CP emigré. Bongolian (talk) 07:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You are allowed to post articles that encourage or support murder, execution by stoning, support of tyrants, locking overweight people in concentration camps and many other perverted viewpoints but you cannot say "Shit". It's nice to see they have their priorities right.--Mercian (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point, Cosmik. We don't edit Conservapedia out of any earnest desire to contribute.  We edit Conservapedia for the shits and giggles.  Like Chesterton's "The Man Who Was Thursday" on laughing gas. LondonGrump (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Bizarre CP issues
Something bizarre is going on, or at least just happened at CP. I was editing the page on Jon Ossoff I had created about an hour ago, and all of a sudden a "404" error pops up. When the server loads, it shows a previous version of the site as evident on the "Special:RecentChanges" page. And now, it seems that either the cycle repeats between the two instances and/or generic error notices that keep popping up (just for specification, I'm using this site to access CP as a means to bypass "403 - Forbidden" pop-ups). LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:40, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Never mind, CP seems to work now. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Never mind, as the problems still occur. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * It works for me, if bypassing HTTPS because of a bad SSL cert is called working. Whoover (talk) 02:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Can you kind of translate that from jargon into layman's terms? I'm not familiar with what a bad SSL cert is. Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , is anyone at CP updating the database? Also, what is your hosting setup like? 02:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I dunno about that. I'm not 100% sure who would have access to the database (probably Andy?) and what the hosting setup would be like at all. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Has Andy been messing around with rangeblocks again, as far as you know? Previous RW users recorded Andy messing around with some technical version of a rangeblock on December 2010 and blocking all IPs not originating in the US. I don't know if something similar is causing problems though, and that wouldn't explain the 500 error I got awhile back. 02:46, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * All I know for now regarding accessing the site is that if I don't use a proxy, this pops up. The problem at the moment now is that when the site loads, a cached version shows up where my edits made today and last night apparently don't exist anymore. This problem did happen quite a few months ago one time where a page creation of mine disappeared and I had to do it over again. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, right in between my most recent edit and the edits before that, the site loaded in the cached version at least once before loading normally. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems to be fixed, but it was clearly an Apache config problem, and there was no indication the content database was involved. LT, when I got in yesterday, it was by overriding a browser warning caused by the Apache web server not having a valid set of Secure Socket Layer certifications in its configuration.  These are files that Conservapedia buys from an authority after proving that they are the owners of the site.  That's required for https, the secure web protocol.  https access to a site, as opposed to http, assures you are talking to whom you think you are, and can be a pain to set up properly.  Yesterday, for a while at least, the SSL certs were current (not expired) but not properly configured.  That's why I got the browser warning.  All the 500, 403, etc. errors point to somebody messing with the Apache configuration and not getting it right. Whoover (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First it was an attack on CP, then yesterday they arrested Millie Weaver; it's the DNC/Deep State together with their CCP cronies trying to ahead of all the news coming out about Kommiela and . nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We should do a poll: Which do you prefer, Kommiela, Que mala (as the California Latinos call her), HealsUp Harris, (as the more sophisticated California literati call her), Kamaltoe Hairyass (as vulgar bloggers call her), or Joe and the Hoe (as her brethren and cistern people of color refer to her). nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you mean "HeelsUp." Or is a misspelling an intentional homage to the Dear Leader? Whoover (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well you know, we're competing hard this year for the Democrats' low information voter base. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Biden might be another centre-right hack but he's done a superb job of triggering the snowflakes and their fear of strong women. LondonGrump (talk) 08:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Although less likely than an Chinese cyber attack could it be that Andy is not paying his bills?--Mercian (talk) 12:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Just got this:

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Whoover (talk) 13:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * This type of error is occurring for me as well. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Same. I'm guessing Andy tried to do a mediawiki update and has borked the database/server. It's "The Week That Never Was" all over again. Update: Googling the error message, would seem to indicate Andy has fucked up the database, during an install. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Haven't you heard? It's the Chinese, testing their Wuhan cyber-virus on our most important political infrastructure. Whoover (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Initial reports are Obama/Brennan/Susan Rice ordered a drone strike on the server facility; Robert Mueller is investigating. nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Never assign to drone strikes what can be explained by Andy being an incompetent numpty. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 20:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Lock me out again, please
I made the mistake of reviewing CP: Kamala Harris and love what RobS done with the encyclopedic place. Off to a great start with "Kamala Harris ( pron. commie-la, Spanish Que mala) ..." Much easier than IPA, even if only RobS pronounces her name those ways. I also enjoyed the long exposition about Jim Jones. I can't find Harris in the pix, which is a shame since there are so few images of her at age 12, when she was embroiled in this scandal. "This could be about anything." Whoover (talk) 22:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I found the article illuminating. It shows me that she scares the holy shit out of Rob and his fellow travellers.  The language they use (stuff I would have been uncomfortable with even during rock-and-roll-and-drugs-and-booze-and-lots-and-lots-of-women-and-drugs phase) suggests that she challenges them not just politically but emotionally and sexually.  It's like they've never had a mutually respectful relationship with a woman, ever.
 * I also learned that Willie Brown is a fucking legend.
 * I'm going to enjoy the next few months and, insh'Allah, the four years after that. LondonGrump (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Funny how Rob keeps quiet on the fact that nearly everyone in Trumps inner circle has been arrested for various charges - most recently Bannon for fraud. Trump is easily running the most crooked administration of all time - certainly in the modern era. But no, Rob is worried Harris isn't eligible to be VP. AceModerator 22:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Correction. Rob is worried she is eligible to be VP. Whoover (talk) 23:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, the DNC destroyed the updated version in the cyber attack, so I have to recreate it from memory. That version is basically the version written when she announced Marc Elias, bagman for the Russia collusion hoax, was her general counsel. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So Rob, you actually don't care that your president lies as easily as he breathes? AceModerator 23:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The lies are just smoke and mirrors so that he can root out deep state pedo-cannibals in peace--Hastur! (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Basically, it's impossible for Rob to employ any kind of good-faith perspective when discussing his political opposition. If he could get out of the blood libel hole he's currently in, ideology-wise, maybe, but that's never going to happen without a deep personal reckoning about his underlying presumptions. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Should Trump lose, the conservative movement is likely going to have some sort of reckoning. Establishment Republicans are already lining up against Trump's demagoguery.  They'd rather pursue their agenda of psychotic deregulation, jingoism, and pursuit of anarcho-capitalism with some discretion, dammit.  And then people like Rob are either going to have to adapt or be left behind--Hastur! (talk)  21:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * In Andy/Rob-level crazy circles, Trump will be unpersoned as a RINO shortly after he loses & starts facing serious legal jeopardy for a lifetime of shady business dealings. They've done it plenty of times before to "conservatives" they used to love fapping over. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Semi and Hastur have nailed the Trumpist phenomenon. Like European Stalinists in the late 50s and 1960s, they are so deeply personally and emotionally invested in their hero and his cult of personality that they cannot think rationally without a seismic change of identity.  LondonGrump (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, if Trump wins, the country will stay on fire for far longer than the 4 extra years he'll be fucking everything up--Hastur! (talk) 23:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

It's amazing that out of a nation of over 325 million people, the Democrats couldn't come up with someone better than Joe Biden to run for president. The typical restaurant manager or elementary school principal would be more fit for office than Joe Biden. At least a restaurant manager or high school principal wouldn't be a hair sniffer nor would his/her son be a traitor to the United States.

Joe Biden is such a lackluster presidential candidate that he is not even going to get a dead cat bounce after the DNC convention.

The Democrats chose name recognition over decency and competence. By playing not to lose instead of playing to win, they could snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.Rintintin (talk) 03:45, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your political screed. Now please, fuck off. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 03:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Given we are having a discussion about user retention on another page this sort of fuck off mate is exactly the problem. AceModerator 23:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The Democrats want a safe pair of hands to ensure the establishment is on board, like Tony Blair in Britain. Kamala Harris appears to be the game changer.LondonGrump (talk) 13:30, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The Democratic establishment is on board with Joe Biden, but Biden is plagued with sexual scandals (inappropriately touching women and children). In a Me Too Movement age, he is not a safe candidate in terms of being elected.


 * Tony Blair is still a sharp individual and can manage/administer things. Biden has cognitive decline issues. When societies are open to people working as long as they want that is a good thing, but the individuals have to be able to handle the job.Rintintin (talk) 13:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Trump was sharp back in 2016. He pounced on all Hilary's weaknesses and really put her to the sword (A proverbial sword, not the sort his supporters want him to use on her). These days he goes on and on about left wing fascists. It's like his new top advisor is Rob's CP posts.--Mercian (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Tony Blair is still a cunt who would sell your grandmother for five minutes on TV and tell you he was doing you a favour. I'd trust him about as much as I'd trust Trump, sharp or not.  The post-1989 myth that politics is about competence is dangerously simplistic.LondonGrump (talk) 16:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Politicians have to appear to be competent to be elected. Biden's cognitive decline has caused him to go beneath the threshold of where he appears to be competent.Rintintin (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Cool story, Muttley. Haven't you got some important legs you should be humping? Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 18:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think Trump was ever sharp, not in 2016. He's like a dull, bent knife that started to get more bent and melted over the years. He's always been gibbering about nonsense, just probably got worse over time. 19:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Whatever flaws Biden might have, he seems sharp enough at the moment. By this I mean he's listening to advisors who are more knowledgeable on subjects such as pandemic responses, in sharp contrast to his opponent. His grandfatherly/quirky uncle image is also in sharp contrast to Trump, with whom the American public appears to have grown weary. Whether Biden is the best candidate for the job or not, current polling says he'll likely win the election all the same. 19:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Pictures, videos, and testimonial evidence relating to Joe Biden and children/women make it clear that he is not type of "grandfatherly" man you want around kids/women.

Donald Trump is not a genius, but few dullards become billionaires and/or win the U.S. presidency against seasoned politicians.Rintintin (talk) 21:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * To the first, yeah no shit. But the public doesn't appear to care, or thinks it's acceptable to throw those issues under the bus to defeat what is in their view, the greater evil. To the second, Trump is not a smart man. All current evidence indicates that he's a moron who's going through the motions of being intelligent, a stupid man's impression of a leader. And more to the point, it really doesn't matter whether either of them is intelligent, merely who most people are willing to vote for. And short of some form of electoral interference, well... The data is very clear on this matter. You don't have to like it, but that's the cold hard truth. 21:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The data that most matters is: 1) Enthusiasm for the candidate which affects turnout (Internal battles within a political party suppress turnout and there is infighting amongst Democrats. Biden's performance during the primaries was weak). 2) Reliable likely voter data - particularly in battleground states (These polls are very more predictive, but more costly to compile) 3) Fivethirtyeight.com and their polling data got 2016 wrong.  Your data is not compelling 4) Rasmussen correctly called 2016 election using its likely voter data. Present Rasmussen likely voter data: "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll sponsored by Liberty Nation for Friday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove." 5) Trump is an incumbent and incumbants usually win .   6)  Peaceful protests favor Democrats. Rioting and looting favors law and order Republicans. 7) There are calls for Joe Biden to skip the presidential debates. Democrats are shaking in their boots. Let's get ready to rumble!


 * A lot can happen in 60+ days in a coronavirus pandemic political environment. It's going to be hard fought, bitter election and we might not know the results of the election soon after the election.Rintintin (talk) 22:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Is it me, or is there a conservapedian tone to all these assertions? Unmask! LondonGrump (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Considering official counts aren't required until December 14 and states can start counting before November 3rd, it seems likely the most we would have to wait for a clear picture is two weeks, a reasonable amount of time.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Presidential Transition Enhancement Act of 2019 changed Title 3—Chapter 1—Section 1 to read: “The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President”. In the 2020 Presidential election, each State must appoint their electors by the following Tuesday on 10 November, 2020.  But you're right. There will be no election night winner. Recounts and lawsuits in a dozen states will make the Florida Recount look like a church picnic.  nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November..."Appointed, not voting, but keep that same energy.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The way it works (with the exception of two states I believe) is, each party nominates a slate of electors. This means the Secretary of State or whoever certifies electors must have them certified within 7 days. No recount can run beyond the 7 days. nobsBlack Guns Matter 01:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I am wondering when we will get the much anticipated Biden's religion and Harris' religion articles? Hint: they are both Muslims, unless you view Antifa as a religion. Hclodge (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

More RoBS
"Commie" is the tell in "Republican Convention gets 600% more viewers the Democrat Commiefest 2020" as to authorship. Funny, most non-Trusworthy reports show 16 million viewers for RNC night one vs. 18.7 million for DNC night one. So where did the 600% come from? Turns out that's C-Span's viewership. I have no idea why more people watched the RNC on C-Span than the DNC (maybe they couldn't take the spinning on Fox?), but ignoring the 18.6 of the 18.7 million viewers who didn't watch the DNC on C-Span is typical bullshit. Whoover (talk) 20:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * C-Span is a more informed voter, so of course you wouldn't know that. nobsBlack Guns Matter 21:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob is a paranoid liar. And he doesn't seem to guy what a hopeless, sycophantic hypocrite he is. AceModerator 21:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * RobSmith is mostly okay. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * False.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If LiberalTears says Rob is OK, he is OK. You can trust a Conservapedian.
 * While I'm here, maybe LT and Rob can tell whoever posted that bullshit about India that Narenda Modi is right wing. Breitbart didn't say the Indian govt was Communist but there's so much ignorance among the Conservapedia editors that it could be any of them.LondonGrump (talk) 20:59, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, those authoritarian nationalists are all leftist. Like the Nazis.  Whoover (talk) 21:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * btw, it was Andy. But you probably knew that. Whoover (talk) 21:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Most Conservapedians are trustworthy, though some are trusworthy. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:54, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Which Conservapedians' are trustworthy?--Mercian (talk) 14:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * D.C., I.S., N.X., DavidB4, and Karajou are very trustworthy. Also, RobSmith nobs is mostly trustworthy. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And which should be wearing a truss? LondonGrump (talk) 15:15, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * References to "trusworthy" by user who signed up on CP a little more than a year ago basically tells you all you need to know. LT's parodist mask is slipping. I'm constantly amazed, but not surprised, at how uncritical CP higher ups are of some of these people. After all, I was there to see Bugler go full TK before TK had even fully honed his craft. VargasMilan comes to mind as another transparently obvious parodist who's only there to whip up crazy nonsense and bully people over even minor ideological differences with the party line. Fantastic! 2601:249:8D00:5242:8011:C898:440B:79C5 (talk) 15:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If I didn't have a problem with censorship, I'd delete your post. Conservapedia is riddled with parodists and sock puppets - this ain't the place to out people.  LondonGrump (talk) 20:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Karajou>. Well you know where you stand with him, blink out of term and you're gone. I can see how this can be taken to be trustworthy but hard-arses need something more than that to be respected or trusted.--Mercian (talk) 20:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

So, who's the dickhead who thinks Australia has a left wing government? Andy again? LondonGrump (talk) 18:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Australia aren't giving everybody a mandatory machine gun at birth. Of course they're a bunch of pinko lefties, in Andy's mind. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 08:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Rob's posts have devolved to be misleading, incorrect and dangerous.
According to him COVID 19 has only killed 10,000 in America. His source, the respected Gateway Pundit. Spreading this crap will mean more deaths. Who said Rob was a good guy?--Mercian (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 200000 excess deaths this year, Rob. Unless Hilary Clinton did them in?--Hastur! (talk)  16:47, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * He needs COVID-19 to be a deadly bioengineered virus deliberately released by / covered up by da ebil comminists, while also needing it to be an incredibly weak virus blown way out of proportion by da ebil libruls. Like Trump, what the truth is depends on what he needs to say at the moment. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It sounds familiar, the enemy is evil and will destroy us all, but at the same time is weak and we can destroy it easily. Bevo74 (talk) 12:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This argument centers around death certificates that "only" had Covid-19 as the cause of death, which is insane. As a twitter user I saw put it the other day, if you have low blood sugar, then are mauled by a bear, then in the hospital, they are unable to manage your low blood sugar and perish, your cause of death is still the bear.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:56, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "Lose weight to beat COVID-19 and protect the NHS." - UK government slogan as reported by The Lancet.


 * COVID-19 is a fattycaust!


 * "Doctors is all swabs...". - Long John Silver (Robert Louis Stevenson: Treasure Island).Rintintin (talk) 10:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Conservapedia in a post-Trump world
We all saw McCain and Romney get built up as the Greatest Republicans Ever by Andy, during their election campaigns, and then just as swiftly get demoted to RINOs after they left. Do you think Andy will do the same with Trump after Nov, as he goes in search of the new Great White Hope - I'm guessing Tom Cotton - or have they swallowed too much of the Koolaid? TerryH and Kara are too cowardly to stand up to him, anyway, but will Andy be able to drop Trump like the hot turd he is? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 13:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If Donald Trump loses in 2020, he will run in 2024. In such a scenario, he would start fundraising in 2021.


 * The 2020 loss would be blamed on the "China virus" and/or voter fraud.


 * While Joe Biden is not as far to the left as François Hollande, he has been pushed sufficiently to the left so that Trump will run against the "socialist Joe Biden".


 * Trump will be the Grover Cleveland of the 21st century and serve two nonconsecutive terms.


 * Anyone who thinks Donald Trump would not run in 2024 is underestimating the size of Trump's ego.Terrafirma (talk) 17:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't be daft, man. Trump will do well to avoid jail time once he no longer has the executive powers to stall investigations into his financial shenanigans. I'm particularly looking forward to watching his lawyers suddenly argue how elderly and infirm their client is in the sentencing hearings.


 * All my money's on Trump receiving a RINOing from Andy the likes of which have never been seen. It won't cause him a moment's intellectual distress, either - he's every bit as shameless as Trump in his ability to turn on a dime like that. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 17:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Andy's been mentally preparing himself for such an eventuality by blaming shit on "inept advisors." He'll just claim the swamp stopped Trump from succeeding on his mission, which is fine because the end times are nigh anyways and Jesus will come down and  sort the conservatives from the liberals--Hastur! (talk)  18:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Andy's mother wrote a book giving the conservative case for Trump. St. Phyliss annointed Trump and Andy will not lift his hand against the chosen one.


 * Should Trump lose the 2020 election, Trump will easily win the 2024 GOP presidential primary if he ran. And Andy would support him.


 * But all of this is premature. Biden has to get over the 3 presidential debate hurdles and have sufficient voter turnout to win. He is not a shoe-in candidate by any means.Terrafirma (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Trump would be too old to run for President in 2024. In the meantime, governors and members of Congress will step up to defend keys elements of the Trump agenda: (1) regulatory reform, (2) key holdings of the NLRB regarding union organizing, (3) Title IX reform at the Dept of Education, (4) food stamp reform at USDA, (5) prohibition of critical race theory training of the federal work force, among other things. No matter how you predict the outcome, many governors and legislators will take a front seat before 2024. Then there is Mike Pence, who has evangelical Christian support. (Jerry Falwell Jr., is no longer available to deliver that block to support Trump.) I think that Don Jr., Jared and Ivanka have too many open legal questions to run with a clean record in 2024. There will be a generational shift by 2024, and Andy will be sent out to tech pasture. Assuming that there is a large group of tech-savy Conservatives, they will find a platform lead by a younger and more charismatic leader than Andy by 2024. In fairness, the same is true about Jimbo Wales dropping out of the leadership of Wikipedia by 2024. Hclodge (talk) 19:55, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 100% Andy will blame vote fraud. AceModerator 21:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Andy's definitely lost that lovin' feeling for the Donald. Ken's initial version of COTY 2020 had Trump straight in at no.1, but Andy's first edit demoted him to 3rd, and subsequent edits have him now languishing in 7th place, behind such conservative titans as, um, Reps. Tom Massie and Andy Biggs. This is consistent with COTY '19, where Trump didn't even make runner-up after winning two years on the bounce.


 * That kind of trajectory has got thrown-under-the-RINO-bus written all over it, especially since Trump and Trump Org. are almost certainly facing criminal charges from SDNY prosecutors. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 22:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * But look at the white men who select Conservative of the year. What is the average age of the selectors?  More importantly, what is the average IQ of the selectors? Hclodge (talk) 23:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Man, singular. The peons can nominate, but ultimately COTY is whoever Andy says it is. 59 years old, IQ unknown & batshit insane. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 23:41, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree with all your analysis of a post-Trump era should Trump loose. Personalities will not be the major factor. And you also have to look at the current implosion of the Democratic party as well.
 * There would be an immediate effort by the GOP establishment, led by Bill Kristol, to re-assert control of the GOP. And since the GOP establishment is better organized and entrenched, the Trump faction without a leader, despite being large in number and popular support, is at a disadvantage.
 * Then you have to consider the current defection of Blacks, liberals, moderates, and Hispanics from the Democratic party. Trump could take as much as 25% of the Black vote, and has certainly built a permanent base of conservative, middle class Black voters, under 40 years old who are not likely to return to the Democratic party anytime soon. This group likely can only expand. The Black monolith is exploding, and younger Blacks in the foreseeable future will vote like every other demographic group. This sends the Democrats back to the drawing board for a long-term strategy, whether they win or loose.
 * A charismatic leader is not likely to appear in either party over the next few years. But for a younger heir of Trump, Rand Paul or a Rand Paul like character most resembles Trump's ideas. nobsBlack Guns Matter 00:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob Smith, voice of black America, thanks you for coming to his TED talk. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 01:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Joe Biden will not run again in 2024 - even if he wins in 2020.


 * The Democrats have a weak bench. No Democrat was able to grab the presidential nomination away from creepy Joe Biden in 2020.


 * If he loses in 2020, the Trumpinator will run in 2024 and beat the weak backbencher the Democrats run in 2024.


 * Andy Schlafly will back the GOP presidential candidate in 2024 which would be Donald Trump if he loses in 2020.


 * "I'll be back". - Donald "Trumpinator" Trump in 2021 if he loses the 2020 election.Terrafirma (talk) 01:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Trump will have no power in the RNC machine if he leads the party to defeat, and once the RNC establishment regains control, they will write the rules to make it impossible in 2024. He'll be 78 years old and playing golf with Baby Bush, Obama, and Clinton by then.
 * The RNC establishment will take a softer line with China - that is and has always been the big difference between Trump and the whole D.C. Uniparty establishment, although anti-CCP awakening in both parties is Trump's legacy and wil be hard to put back in the bottle. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Me, I'm still laughing at "While Joe Biden is not as far to the left as François Hollande, he has been pushed sufficiently to the left so that Trump will run against the "socialist Joe Biden"." You and Rob and the rest of the political illiterates at Conservapedia would think Eisenhower a Marxist. LondonGrump (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Eisenhower had to pay for WWII after the war. He didn't raise taxes to pay for "IkePhones" (reference to Obamaphones). Or for promiscuous welfare queens to be able to afford cable television.


 * Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex. Obama got the USA involved in toppling the leader of Libya and its very bad aftermath. BBC: President Obama: Libya aftermath 'worst mistake' of presidency.Terrafirma (talk) 03:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Obama's gone now, dear. You don't need to be afraid of the scary black man any more. LondonGrump (talk) 11:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Last I checked, Eisenhower was a moderate conservative who opposed high taxes and illegal immigration. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That was my point, Libby. He'd be more comfortable in the Democrats than the Republicans today and your compadres would be screaming "MArxist!".
 * Did I just have to explain my ironic post? LondonGrump (talk) 06:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Djokovic Out
Greatest of the Great Conservative Sports Stars has been defaulted out of the US Open for swatting a ball in anger that struck a line judge. I wonder what Andy will make of that? Whoover (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * PC liberal tennis judges are ruining tennis--Hastur! (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Another Conservapedia classic
"The vaccine police typically engage in fear-mongering about diseases which vaccines supposedly protect against. Many of these disease have not been seen in decades, or have not been serious illnesses for a half-century." Measles, anyone?--Hastur! (talk)  23:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm to go out on a limb here and suggest some of the diseases which have not been seen in decades might be the result of, oh I don't know, vaccines? AceModerator 00:25, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All true conservatives practice healthy living and have robust immune systems. Therefore, vaccines are superfluous to true conservatives. And should any true Christian, conservative succumb to a virus and die, they would go straight to heaven anyways.


 * "Vaccines? We don't need no stinkin' vaccines!" - Andy "Gold hat" Schlafly.Terrafirma (talk) 02:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's the genes all those lovely long haired creationist ladies bring to the boudoir.LondonGrump (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The response is the first image on the WP page on smallpox. Anna Livia (talk) 09:15, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Far right Breivik apologist nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Another example of Conservapedia's stealth support of terrorism and mass murder of young people if they happen to disagree with their views. Both Rob and Donald think this is a good thing.--Mercian (talk) 15:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * See here. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be a great point if we had been discussing Obama. LondonGrump (talk) 06:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

There are other important honors at play: National Garden of American Heroes Nominee Hclodge (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

RobS being truthy again.
Ilhan Omar: "You can’t vote Democrat if you support police." Follow the link and not only doesn't she say anything like that, but it seems clear it's the blogger's opinion. Oh well, Trusworthy encyclopedias prefer to put words in their villains' mouths rather than wait for them to say bad stuff. It is the more effective propaganda technique. Whoover (talk) 02:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think Rob is doing a great job. He saves me having to listen, learn and think for myself.  I can spend the time save I shopping online with the money George Soros sent me.  LondonGrump (talk) 17:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ilhan Omar was probably one of those fine people on both sides Joe Biden quotes Trump as saying. The art of good propaganda teaches people how to think, not just what to think. nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Shit propaganda reminds people what a bunch of wankers you are. LondonGrump (talk) 06:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"China virus" isn't racist. Objecting to it is. Whoover (talk) 19:55, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

It has been awhile since I checked.
I haven't looked for awhile now but has Ken finally destroyed Atheism and Evolution in the internet? AceModerator 04:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. — Oxyaena Harass  04:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's a pity. I suppose that makes me a Christian then. AceModerator 05:42, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid,, that Ken has killed you, me and a few other specially selected RationalWiki editors and had our heads stuffed and mounted on a wall. And called us fat. The cheeky cunt. Spud (talk) 05:51, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * But I am 6 4 and skinny. How come I am listed as an obese atheist? AceModerator 06:04, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe you got rickets or something from your liberal lifestyle. nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:52, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but those heads on the wall don't look like goats to me. 77.101.82.205 (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

PeterKa forgetting who was in charge during the AIDS crisis
A continued (and comical) lack of self-awareness from the conservatives of the United States--Hastur! (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There was no "AIDS crisis" until Democrats came up with their homophobic and bigotted "Don't ask Don't tell" policy. nobsBlack Guns Matter 01:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The only "crisis" that existed in the 1980s was AIDS putting a damper on recruiting young people into the LGBT movement. nobsBlack Guns Matter 01:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So I've just seen the same person decry homophobia in one post and then espouse homophobia in the one immediately following it. I would laugh. But since it is Rob, somehow I feel more like crying. Spud (talk) 02:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Was it not Reagan that completely ignored AIDS? St Ronnie? AceModerator 06:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Why bother with your shit propaganda here, Rob? Those of us old enough to remember know you're full of shit and the rest can look it up. LondonGrump (talk) 06:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If Regan ignored it, it must not have happened!-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * AIDS still is a crisis in the US. if you are poor and not white. meanwhile in the uk we are rolling out prep and pushing to end all new transmissions of hiv by 2030. i cant boast about much in the uk lately, but we treat hiv when someone tests positive. better for them better for all around them as they wont be infectious. and there is prep now. and no one will ask about your insurance. AMassiveGay (talk) 20:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Foreign enemies!
Honestly sometimes it's like they're TRYING to entertain us. Thanks for the chuckle, Ed--Hastur! (talk)  21:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Not worth a section, but I got a kick out of Andy's anger at Trump's "inept advisors" (otherwise known as Walter Reed Medical Center) for withholding hydroxychloroquine. Whoover (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Update. Otherwise known as the Deep State military hospital.  Maybe this was worth a section. Whoover (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The whole inept advisers thing is him preemptively trying to save face hard should Trump lose the election. He's trying to get a head start on the mental gymnastics.  It's going to be a combination of voter fraud, inept advisers, and impending end times (he does appear to have a hardon for apocalyptic signs.  Uncharacteristic for a Catholic, but then again he tried to rewrite the bible).  That's how he'll justify a Trump defeat--Hastur! (talk)  22:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Is Walter Reed where they murdered and Joe McCarthy and doctored JFK's autopsy, or was that Bethesda? nobsSmile, and be friends.. 22:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If Trump is so savvy about fighting the "deep state" you'd think he'd have avoided getting sent to a hospital run by them--Hastur! (talk) 22:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep. It appears the coup is in full swing. They say Pence has it, too. We're just waiting on the news of Trump's untimely death. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 00:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it seems that the editors on a site calling itself "RationalWiki" still has acute HCQ denial syndrome. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh shut up you two. The only coup was Trump attempting to rig the vote by throwing out ballots and delegitimizing the election. He still hasn't said he'd give up power if voted out, and has refused to condemn white supremacists, live on national television. Whether CP want s to admit it or not, they're backing the autocrat. Grow a pair and actually just admit that you hate democracy because it gives people you don't like a shot at any form of power. Also, even Trump isn't using HCQ. 00:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "Also, even Trump isn't using HCQ." Maybe that's because he listens too much to his inept advisers? Trump ought to ignore the likes of Jared and instead listen to Stephen Miller and Peter Navarro for policy. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Scenario A: Trump pronounced dead. Pence, who also is reported to have contracted covid, also dead. Pelosi becomes Acting President. The RNC meets to nominated a successor candidate, and chooses Cruz. Cruz goes on to defeat Biden and the overhaul of the judiciary continues. I shudder to think of Scenario's B, C, etc.. nobsParanoid moron 00:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Now that he's sick, he should listen to doctors, not political toadies and fascist speechwriters. Unless you want him to die that is, in which case by all means he should listen to people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about, like you for example. 00:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The main question now is who will the RNC nominate to replace Trump/Pence? Acting President Pelosi will certainly pull the Barrett nomination immediately. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 01:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob, unless you're trying to imply Trump is trying to engage in a coup against himself, shut the fuck up you paranoid hack. 01:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The Alex Jones-connected Summit News says I'm a Leftist.  I'm just talking about contingencies. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 01:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Bullshit Rob. You're trying to make shit up to justify (in advance) whatEVER shit your party tries to pull to undermine the integrity of the electoral system. 01:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * According to the RW editor who has made up plenty of nonsense to justify irrational HCQ denialism. Checkmate atheist! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * LT, I don't have to provide jack shit, because you haven't provided any scientific papers to back up your case. I could just as easily say you deny that goat piss cures covid, and it'd have the same amount of weight behind it. See, despite what you morons at CP think, I don't have to take your assertions seriously until you provide evidence, then I get to assess that evidence, determine it's quality, and if it's lacking, tell you to provide better evidence. If you can't handle such a basic process, I think you ought to use the door. This isn't CNN, I'm not a Liberal, and I honestly don't give a shit what morons say without evidence. Papers please.  01:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Trump orders out to McDonald's cause he's afraid of being poisoned at the White House. Who's to say what goes on in the Walter Reed kitchen? nobsSmile, and be friends.. 01:55, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I was schooled in the discipline of . You don' get emotional at a time like this. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 02:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * trump orders out at macdonalds because hes an obese sack of shit. AMassiveGay (talk) 10:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

As an asthmatic, I wouldn't wish breathing difficulties on anyone but, fuck me, Conservapedia is hilarious at the moment. Even funnier than Libby's analysis of the candidates' debate. LondonGrump (talk) 12:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This could be a golden opportunity for Andy. He could declare Trump dead now. If he then comes out of the hospital, wins the election, cocks everything up even more for another four years, acts like a sexist, racist sack of shit who doesn't know his arse from his elbow and gives "real conservatives" like Andy a bad name, Andy can just say that's not really Trump. It's a looky likey. Maybe even the same man who stood in for Fidel Castro for nearly a decade. If "fake Trump" looses the election, it'll probably be because he was about to reveal the truth and "they" had to silence him. And if Trump never makes it out of the hospital, Andy can always come up with some bollocks to explain why his death was announced a few days or weeks after it really happened. Spud (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be delightful--Hastur! (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say he has lost it but I am not sure with a mother like he had that he ever had it in the first place. I would ask him this. "If Trump is God's representative on Earth why is he so easily fooled by such inept advisors?" and "Who is the most inept, the inept of he who blindly follows the inept"? Of course asking such a question is a perma block-able offence.--Mercian (talk) 16:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Look at these two articles, November 17, 2019,, August 31, 2020. It's what we call "operational contingency plans" and a "walk through".  nobsSmile, and be friends.. 22:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Need I remind you now, it is a matter of court record with the judicial branch that the Democratic National Committee was complicit in a hoax to violate the the, collude with a foreign government to meddle in a U.S. presidential election, and lie to the FISA court. This is what I or brilliant legal mind like Bill Barr, would call "probable cause" to obtain FISA authority against a "national security threat". nobsSmile, and be friends.. 22:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What's that got to do with the price of fish? What might seem like a logical progression to you looks like random floundering to us.  Which brings us back to the point.  LondonGrump (talk) 09:38, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * LG - are you referring to this? Anna Livia (talk) 09:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

This is Trump's October Surprise that leftwing conspiracy theorists have talked about for months, including Biden and Pelosi of Trump's refusal to leave office. Need I lay out the timeline?
 * November 2019 - Trump does a walk through of the operation command center at Walter Reed.
 * Summer-Fall 2020 - Durham investigation progresses. More declassifications.
 * Fall - DOJ declares "anarchist jurisdictions"; local police deputized as U.S. Marshalls.
 * U.S. military stationed throughout the U.S. with the cover story of vaccination distribution points.
 * Trump invokes Insurrection Act.
 * nobsSmile, and be friends.. 15:29, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

For example: The other day a motor cycle cop made a traffic stop in a remote part of Oregon. A roving mob assaulted the cop, now deputized as a federal officer. Well, now the 82nd Airborne is going to descend upon Oregon BLM and Antifa thugs (Remember, FISA surveillance has been on their entire electronic communications network). nobsSmile, and be friends.. 15:52, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I still have no idea what you're wibbling on about. Which brings us back to the point again.  The best way for you and Libby can prove us wrong is to stop talking shit and start making sense.LondonGrump (talk) 16:50, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Bloomberg: CDC Tells States to Get Ready for Nov. 1 Vaccine Distribution
 * Politico: Vaccine distribution will be ‘joint venture’ between CDC and Pentagon
 * November 3: Election Day.
 * Democratic Underground: Trump may seize ballot boxes
 * Logistically, how would it be possible for the federal government to seize ballot boxes at 175,000 polling precincts in the United States?
 * nobsSmile, and be friends.. 17:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Strike three. Fuck off.  LondonGrump (talk) 21:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sending in heavily armed military against protestors! And you have the fucking nerve to call other people fascist?--Mercian (talk) 23:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's like Lincoln & FDR said, "Sometimes ya gotta do watcha gotta do." nobsSmile, and be friends.. 01:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Leave Abe outta this. Back in the day, you would've been making up crazy guff about Jefferson Davis' remarkable popularity with black male slaves. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 02:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope. I'm a national security Republican. My party was founded on the principles of equality, the dignity of the individual, and preservation of the Union. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 02:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Equality unless you are liberal, black, Muslim, gay, anti-fascist, poor or atheist?--Mercian (talk) 07:54, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You may as well start revising your talking points now; after the commie Dems get spanked in a few weeks there is no puting back the pieces. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 00:44, 7 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That GOP is dead, Rob, and Trump is busy skullfucking the corpse. You probably shouldn't be cheering him on from the sidelines. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 03:09, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

We have a new generation of GOPers in their 20s. The events of this past summer haven't exactly been helpful to the Democrat party. These two videos sum up pretty good the new coalition forming. https://youtu.be/qYBRw-jTDpY https://youtu.be/flp7gKg5G4E nobsSmile, and be friends.. 03:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Joachim_Schoeps LondonGrump (talk) 10:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * What a zinger. Forget the curve, work on that fastball. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 23:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Let me see if I follow the thinking of these Brits' observations of U.S. politics: they believe the Black man above, likely under the age of 35, and the white woman above who is the same age as Ocasio-Cortez and left the Democrats after hearing her speak, are ex-Nazis (who since birth masqueraded as Democrats) and now want to establish a monarchy. Am I mischaracterizing your astute take on U.S. politics? nobsSmile, and be friends.. 00:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)


 * But the best spokesman for whom we are passing the mantle of conservativism to is LonnelHarris. With a quarter million Youtube subscribers, you'd think RW would have a racist hit piece on him already. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 01:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That's the kind of reasoning that makes you, Conservapedia and the rest of comedy right's websites so funny. Instead of listening, you tell us what we and other people are thinking.  I suppose it saves time and mental energy.
 * Let me keep it simple for you: that is one black man. That is one young woman.  They have expressed their opinions.  They are welcome to their opinions.  We cannot say they represent anyone other than themselves without evidence.  Until then, we have to assume they are outliers.  Schoeps was an outlier.  We cannot say he represents anyone other than himself and his band of loonies without evidence.  He expressed his opinion.  He is welcome to his opinion.  He is one German Jew.
 * A million YouTube subscribers is meaningless without more data. If only two of them are black, 998 are bots and 999,000 are middle aged white men, it only tells us he is popular with middle aged white men.
 * I would also challenge your use of "conservatism". At best, you are useful idiots for radicals who have more in common with Marxists than you could hope to understand with your level of political ignorance.    LondonGrump (talk) 09:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you want that breaking down further. LondonGrump (talk) 09:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You've spoken clearly. You haven't a clue on American political currents. But your biggest failing isn't misunderstanding what the Republican party or the conservative movement in the u.S. is, but in not understanding what the Democrat party is. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 11:05, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't said anything about political currents, the Republican Party or the Democrat Party. If you think what you call "conservatism" is not a fig leaf, a shallow brand identity, for very rich people and organisations doing away with the state so they can make even more money, you're even dafter than I thought. LondonGrump (talk) 12:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Bingo. You haven't watched the vid of the cp:Massachusetts liberal lady above. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 18:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me thumbnail it: she first worked in a public school, and later as an ER nurse. When she saw the miscarriage of 20 week old baby in the ER, she suddenly saw that everything Democrats and liberals spoon fed her from birth about Republicans and conservatives is total bullshit. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 19:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Which part of "That is one young woman" confuses you? I don't doubt her sincerity but she is one person relating her opinion of her experience.  If only you'd let go of your blind partisanship, stop seeing things as us and them, black and white, left and right, stepped back and saw the world as it really is, you'd understand that very few people see things as simplistically as you do. The world is much more nuanced.   The vast majority of people are more nuanced.  An anecdote is an anecdote and not conclusive proof of your partisan position. LondonGrump (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If you saw the video that's exactly why the young lady says she left the Democrat party. She's educated, and not alone. And I don't see how the Democrats can ever get her back.
 * How can I explain the difference between Dems & Pubs in the U.S.? (A) The Dems are defined by rigid ideological guidelines; the Pubs are a loose amalgamation of everyday people; (B) Wall Street bought out the Dems at least 3 decades ago, that why the GOP is more populist. These are the first two nuances is understanding the modern U.S. political system. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 16:09, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Back in the real world, of course, GOP voters are now most reliably defined by white, rural grievance and / or fundie terror at being forever cast adrift on the wrong side of history. So much so, in fact, that the party's doing an excellent job of scaring off the wealthier, more educated types who used to be happy to ignore the wackjobs for the sake of lower taxes. Well played, GOP machine. Well played, indeed. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for another simplistic, partisan analysis, Rob. If I ever want to know what's happening in your echo-chamber, if I ever want to pretend that there is any significant difference between the funding and economic policies of the two main US parties, I know who to ask.   LondonGrump (talk)
 * GOP is in a struggle between ordinary people, led by Trump, to take away control by the GOP establishment in bed with globalists and the uniparty; the Dem party is controlled by the socialist/globalist alliance and trying to persuade the bootlicking anarchist rank-and-file to toe the line. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 18:36, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Great stuff. Maybe Andy can write one of his Mystery articles in the aftermath: Where Did All The Ordinary People Go? I'm happy to volunteer a Does God Hate Trump? companion piece if you can keep Karajou from blocking me on sight. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 19:53, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The Democrats should rename themselves Schroedinger's Party: simultaneously controlled by Wall Street and socialists. Go on, Rob, say it.  You know you want to: the Jews.  They're behind it all, led by Soros.  LondonGrump (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No. the Chinese Communists. Socialists and globalista have the same totalitarian agenda, led by the Chinese Communists. And they're all a bunch of greedy capitalists. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 07:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I ain't even going to bother pointing out the stupid in that statement. Let's just take the Chinese government, socialists and globalists.  Which of two of the three does Trump owe hundreds of millions of dollars to? LondonGrump (talk) 15:45, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Oldest surviving piece of vandalism?
Last night, I came across one from Spring 2008. Does anyone know of an older example we can still enjoy? LondonGrump (talk) 12:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What was it?
 * Some examples can be found on the WP talk page archives. Anna Livia (talk) 19:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Andy should write another letter
I can't wait until Mr Belief in Black Holes Stops People Reading the Bible wakes up and sees what just won the Physics Nobel. Maybe he can be convinced to write another Lenski-esque letter to the Committee? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 13:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Anything can happen in his new causality. LondonGrump (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It used to be that you had to click through to discover the link didn't say what Andy said it said. Now it's all there the headline.  He's not even trying anymore. Whoover (talk) 23:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's... holy shit. That's a leap from Biden saying store clerks from underprivileged backgrounds put their lives at risk, so he could quarantine, to Andy screeching that "Biden says Blacks cause coronavirus!" Where's @nobs to give us his spin on it? I can't wait to hear how that's exactly what the headline says. Do you think Andy's kids still speak to him btw? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 00:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought Biden was talking about his domestic servant, you know, it's reminiscent of Hillary starting to think of the lady who cleans her toilet as a human being. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 00:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol, it's adorable that you think referring to Biden having a domestic worker is somehow an insult, when you slobber over somebody who's never had to do a day's housework in his life and who thinks a gold toilet is the height of class. D- must try harder. And if you really thought that, your reading comprehension skills are worse than Andy's. Probably worse than Ken's too. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 01:14, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's interesting question: Of Papa Bush, Baby Bush, Biden, and Trump, who makes the most sense when they talk? I'd rate them Trump, Papa Bush, Baby Bush, and Biden in that order. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 02:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If Trump makes more sense than those three when he talks then they must be the three worst speakers in history. Today he has tweeted more than 50 times and all of them are the of the same quality of your posts. Blaming Biden, insulting anyone and everyone and totally denying that he and his, and I put this as mildly as possible, deeply irresponsible Rose Garden event were super-spreaders. Do you and he realise that his scripted and totally ridiculous mask removing event when he was still highly infectious is looked upon by everybody who is not part of his fanatical right wing cult as moronic. This is mild as I can put it. --Mercian (talk) 17:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's called "controlling the narrative." Trump has the initiative, putting you in the position of focusing on and reacting to it. We see where your priorities are. What, with all the challenges we face, fear, negativity, criticism, seizing power, and stuffing the ballot box with mail-in votes is your only concern.   You could give a rats ass about black lives, justice for Breaona Taylor, economic recovery, the health and wellbeing of your fellow citizens, jobs for minorities, the communist threat from China and the Democrat party, or any other vile plague facing America such as fucked up schools, pornography, or political correctness. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 18:17, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And given that every day some new White House staffer is testing positive for COVID - Stephen Miller the latest of the lot - you can't exactly say he's doing a great job of controlling said narrative, despite his attempts to distract by declaring he was ending stimulus talks. You frankly have no idea how we think, nobs, but again, I will tell you exactly what you believe. (You believe that there is no fundamental difference between black people and white people, that there is no inherent greatness in being white. Your central beef is with black culture, which you see as degraded and empty. Rap is mindless swearing and bragging about hos and bitches, encouraging black men to abandon their responsibilities in favor of flashy clothes, shoes and drugs. Because of this shiftlessness and focus on fast money, the family is degraded and devalued and the children are left behind by their lazy parents who want only to dance and play forever. And if the free stuff ever isn't enough, they'll burn down their own neighborhood. Democrats are evil because they tell black people that their problems are external, not internal, in order to trick and enslave them forever.) Please correct me if any of the above does not accurately reflect your honest beliefs. After all, precision is required if you're ever going to unfuck yourself. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:08, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob, like Ken and the rest of the Conservapedia visionaries, are like Stalinists of old. Having taken a side, they define the world in stark binary terms to avoid having to question themselves, their actions and what they truly believe.  Trump's cult of personality is part of that empowering exclusivity. Rob sees controlling the narrative, we see a reality TV gesture and get on with our day.  LondonGrump (talk) 19:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Stalinist with a hint of Deng Xiaoping. "Get the military with their "Bama Bullets", tanks and armoured cars to go on to the streets and slaughter the Antifa and BLM "terrorists".--Mercian (talk) 19:44, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well duh. The U.S. is a binary system defined by the Electoral College, and no anarchist mob will destroy the Republic. Incidentally, the Dems just lost Wisconsin (see 4th video down, "As the BLM crowd was marching through the neighborhoods..."); a white biker digging up the lawn (private property) of a Democrat union member in the name of Black Lives Matter and social justice isn't the way to go about winning friends and influencing people. You can count Wisconsin as solid blue now. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 18:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Using the nobs conserva-speak translator is fun. You can plug anything into it, and a remarkable stream of drivel ensues. Let's see what happens when I type "Republican sitting Senator Mike Lee just came out and said "democracy is bad for Republican plans." (My money's on "America is a Republic, not a Democracy.") RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 08:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * With setbacks like this, 2020 is going to the worst year ever for the liberal/globalist/Wall Street/Marxists/BLM/anarchist alliance! LondonGrump (talk) 06:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Another setback was, and this is a good one. According to reality. Trump cultists plan to kidnap The Governor of Michigan and put her on "Trial" for treason. According to Rob: Trump thwarts liberal plot to kidnap said Governor. Who are trying to kid Rob, seriously? You are so far gone you must be taking what Trump is but in larger doses. Even Ken seems to have had enough and stopped posting.--Mercian (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for demonstrating that RW editors are quick to spew any nonsense promoted by the MSM and Twitter liberals; blaming Trump for the kidnapping attempt is ridiculous, and it turns out that one of the thugs is an anti-Trump anarchist. Checkmate atheist! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 17:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Ding Dong the prick is back. They are Trump cultists, the same cult that you belong too. Any more mocking about the fundraiser? The one that has nearly reached it's goal. Even Ken learned not to mock us with that crap. They are admitted Trumpists belonging to a brother group that he told to "Stand by". Now fuck of back to your bunny hole Prick.--Mercian (talk) 19:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * PS .I am not an atheist. I have never posted on any site anywhere online that I am an atheist. What's was that about assumptions.?--Mercian (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * First of all, there's no "Trump cult", despite what liberals insist. Secondly, they were anarchists, and one of them admitted to hating Trump. Thirdly, I don't see the need to constantly mention Ken DeMyer. And lastly, Trump's "stand back and stand by" comment directed toward the Proud Boys was telling them to not cause additional trouble, and no, the far-left assertions about the group aren't true. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You have no idea what far left is. Obama is a right leaning centrist and Hilary/Biden are firm centre-right. Sanders is a centre-left social democrat. The fact is that you (if you speak for Conservapedia) are so far to the right that you consider the KKK as liberals. Far left is where anyone who owns anything is a traitor to the cause. Far Left are communist infiltrated trade unions that orchestrate 100s of walkouts or work to rules in the space of a year. When you consider Adolf Hitler a liberal you have big big problems.--Mercian (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Trump told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. IE the time is not yet right. He did not tell them to stand down and refused to condemn them and other far right groups (Unlike you I know what far right and far left are). He refused to condemn far right thugs who attacked peaceful demonstrators. He refused to condemn white nationalists but did condemn black people marching for equal treatment. The far right are great citizens, BLM are terrorists, according to Trump that is.--Mercian (talk) 20:47, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Obama is a "right leaning centrist"? I hope you do understand what Poe's Law is. Also, if you still don't realize that Trump did condemn white nationalists, maybe you need to start paying attention to reality. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Citing CP as a source will get you nowhere LT. And Obama is a right leaning centrist, it's just American right wingers are politically illiterate. 22:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The facts are still the facts. Also, the fact that you RW editors actually believe that "Obama is a right leaning centrist" shows just how separated you are from reality. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And you say there's no Cult of Personality?  You are either very young and/or homeschooled.  You need to get out more.  LondonGrump (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You reality-detached RW editors are the ones who need to "get out more". And your sudden obsession with age probably signifies an attempt to deflect on the utter immaturity and childishness of everyone on this site. Also, I have aged quite a bit. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:20, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You have no answer. All you do is engage in Ad Hominem and Gish Gallup. Empty vessels and all that. --Mercian (talk) 00:52, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I did answer at least one of your addressed points. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:57, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * LT, I've done more research into political science in four years than you have done in your entire lifetime. The professional term for your position is "moron". And those are indeed the facts, whether you like them or not is irrelevant to their truth value. 20:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

LT and RobSmith are right
This detailed video backs up many of their points, and completely refutes our counter arguments. - Rairyu75  ( Talk ) 03:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Crap, a real case of Deus Ex Machina. Rick's dance proves their point. Another Stock, Aiken and Waterman production to strengthen their position beyond doubt.

 --Mercian (talk) 04:27, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I used to have a .wav of the chorus to use in chatrooms...LondonGrump (talk) 11:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is more my style. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 20:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah, the golden age of Bayreuth, the torchlight parades, banners fluttering in the breeze...LondonGrump (talk) 10:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No. It's actually a 1986 performance of Lohengrin at the Met in New York. You know, Lohengrin, with it's homosexual imagagry (Mein Liebe Schwann). nobsSmile, and be friends.. 03:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know my Wagner, although I prefer the likes of Monteverdi when it comes to opera. But you cannot separate a composer from his cultural context, history and reception.  Wagner + 1984 + me = one thing.  Wagner + 1933 + you = another thing.  Basic critical theory, Rob.  LondonGrump (talk) 06:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * On any other forum, those user would be banned for this. You people are truly artless. Your inability to address this user's obvious racism is a staggering failure.
 * Artless, you may have a point. Racist, please explain.--Mercian (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Rob linked to Wagner, so I assume that's what the BoN is talking about. 12:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought BoN was referring to Rob's everyday common or garden racism. LondonGrump (talk) 08:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There's nothing common about Rob's racism - he has it honed to a fine art. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 06:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

More Classic Conservapedia
Given the recent Kiwi elections, and the good press Ardern has been getting, I decided to entertain myself and have a look at her article on Conservapedia. I wasn't disappointed. I love how the only citations in the article don't really support the claims made in the article. Except for the last one, that doesn't mention Mao or Hitler but makes it a point to criticize Trump. Thanks for making a dull Saturday night slightly more fun Conservapedia!--Hastur! (talk) 04:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ardern jealously formed a coalition with various other parties, thus treacherously making herself Prime Minister Coalition governments are jealous and treacherous.  Delightful--Hastur! (talk)  04:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " A dangerous cult of personality surrounds her in her country, similar to Stalin, Hitler and Mao" and "She was no doubt sent by the Devil to tempt us into wearing strange, unnatural headdresses." You really could not make this up.--Mercian (talk) 04:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As a NZer I can say yes she does have a slight cult of personality but it is for a good reason. But nothing like the cult of personality around Trump. AceModerator 06:08, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I thought she got an overall majority? LondonGrump (talk) 06:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm pleased I found this slice of Conservapedia. Emblematic of their style, even if it wasn't written by oldguard like JPatt or Karajou (although that crack about being sent by the devil to tempt people into wearing headdresses makes me think a parodist go there).  Instead of taking the time to criticize her policy they just say she's like Mao and clumsily quotemine the  Christchurch Call summit to try and represent it as trying to promote terrorism (seriously...)--Hastur! (talk)  06:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * She stamped om mass shootings, stamped on the virus (easier to do in NZ than America or Europe but still). Showed sympathy and empathy when her country-folk were attacked by terrorists even though they had a different religion from her. She is not a lying self serving wanker. All things that Conservapedia hates.--Mercian (talk) 07:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Log in problems
Editing continues as evidenced by the Recent Changes log. However, over the past 48-hours my friends have had problems logging in. Completing a user name and password merely takes the person back to the prior page without a change in logged-out status? Has anyone else encountered such problems? Hclodge (talk) 18:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Secular NZ
I wonder how Ken “NZ is becoming more religious/conservative” De Myer feels about NZ overwhelming rejected a conservative Anglican and her party in favour of a liberal, agnostic woman - throwing the entire power of government to the atheist left. AceModerator 06:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Generally religious folks vacillate between "we are getting more powerful than ever, it's a new revival" and "whatever, the end times are nigh and I'm getting raptured soon anyways." I think 2020 will move Ken towards the latter--Hastur! (talk)  06:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * He is in his weird way making a lot more sense than any other over there in his rare posts. Wear masks, socially distance, wear face shields, that sort of thing. Sure he still blames Fauci but I don't think the doctor would mind people blaming him if they took sensible precautions--Mercian (talk) 09:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The majority of atheists are East Asian/White. The white population in NZ is declining at a rate of .35% per anum and the NZ Asian fertility rate is below that of whites. By 2085, due to immigration and a sub-replacement level of births, whites could easily become a minority in NZ.  Furthermore, globally the percentage of atheists/agnostics is expected to shrink in the world according to demographers so immigration is going to erode the percentage of irreligious in NZ in the 21st century. And the icing on the religious cake is that that NZ evangelicals, Muslims and Filipinos probably have an above replacement level of births. As much as I hate to rest my case, my case is very well-rested! Irreligion faces a bleak long term future in NZ! Abandon all hope NZ atheists!Diamondsareforever (talk) 00:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * My Bond username is > than yours. Checkmate, fundamentalist! Goldfinger (talk) 03:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Fuck me, it's Ken-but-not-Ken. LondonGrump (talk) 07:47, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No. It was just Ken. I've blocked him. Spud (talk) 09:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * He has enough of Rob being the village idiot. Still going on about fucking potholes and such. In another rightful dig at the UK with our Trump-lite PM he thinks people will not see the figures above.

US	8,575,177	224,889	2.6%	68.74 United Kingdom	857,043	44,835	5.2%	67.43 Our response has been criminal so what does that make America's? --Mercian (talk) 14:35, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * He's been away for a few months. A little bird tells me he has just been released from custody for inappropriate behaviour against a puppy.--Mercian (talk) 14:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken continues to argue despite all the evidence he is wrong. Every single census shows religion to drop in NZ - now with Christianity registering below 50%, they removed all references to religion from the parliament, NZ voted in a left-wing agnostic in a landslide (eschewing the religious opposition), none of the religious parties got above 1% of the vote and NZ hasn't had a religious PM in over 20 year. Checkmate, Ken. AceModerator 02:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Stats from the recent NZ Census - Christianity: 37%, no religion: 48.5%... Christianity has dropped from 58% in 2001, decreasing every year to its lowest level ever while no religion has rising from 29% - consitently rising every year. Sorry Ken - the facts disagree with you. AceModerator 02:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Just claiming this username so Ken can't have it. Carry on. Dr. No (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We'll leave him From Russia With Love though, right? Thunderball (talk) 02:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Ace McWicked has a hard time differentiating between short-term trends, intermediate trends and long-term trends. Rest assured, once the intermediate trend of wish-washy NZ Anglicans becoming "no religious affiliation/nones" bottoms out, the trend of increasing "nones" will disappear. And remember, most "nones" are not atheists/agnostics, but rather nebulous theists. Ace has yet to show there is a bottomless source of Anglicans to sustain the intermediate trend of Anglicans becoming nones. The long-term trends point to the desecularization of NZ and this will likely happen in the 21st century. Thus saith Eric Kaufman and other religion/irreligion demography scholars: The 21st century will see a trend of desecularization -including New Zealand! The religious shall inherit the earth. Already, an online encyclopedia founded by an atheist and agnostic called Wikipedia has a "desecularization" article and a "growth of religion" article. The writing is on the wall Ace McWicked. I suggest reading it!

And remember in the 1990s Sierra Leone conflict, 17,000 United Nation troops couldn't do what 100 hardcore Executive Outcome mercenaries could accomplish in terms of keeping the peace. Likewise, 100 fervent, born-again, Holy Spirit-filled Christians = 17,000 wishy-washy Anglicans on the religiosity scale! They pray more, read the Bible more and evangelize more!

Heed the warning of the dinosaurs Ace. Your kind will grow fewer and fewer until they are extinct. There are no atheists in hell or heaven! And yes, man and dinosaurs co-existed! As the oldest book of the Bible Job declares,  behemoth “moves his tail like a cedar” (Job 40:17).SergeantJoeFriday (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Everything is trending downwards for religion in NZ, in particular Christianity. Sorry Ken, you lose. You are predicting things not in line with the evidence. Checkmate Ken. AceModerator 03:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Is NZ going to ban immigration in the 21st century? The world is experiencing a trend of desecularization. As the pool of irreligion/nonreligious die out and go down the drain of the NZ bathtub due to their below replacement level of births, they will be replenished by the bathtub spout of religious immigrants pouring into your country. In addition, evangelicals Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs are increasing in New Zealand (higher birth rates, etc.). A zero rate of secularization has already happened in irreligious France. A zero rate of desecularization has already hit Britain recently. The time of European and New Zealand desecularization is on the horizon to those who are not too blind to see it.SergeantJoeFriday (talk) 03:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. Jesus said that He will spit the lukewarm out of His mouth (Revelation 3:16). The reason the Anglicans are declining in NZ is that they are lukewarm. In short, there are many non-Christian Anglicans. In Britain, the Church of England ordained a minister who didn't even believe in the resurrection. "In the early hours of the following Monday morning, ‘lightning’ struck the Minster, and the roof of the South Transept was consumed in flames."


 * I would argue that bona fide Christianity is increasing in New Zealand. Born again/evangelical/Bible believing Christianity is increasing in New Zealand - not decreasing.


 * "Evangelical, Born Again and Fundamentalist" Christianity growing in New Zealand (notice the green arrow). - Wikipedia.SergeantJoeFriday (talk) 04:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken, Ken, Ken...no matter which way you slice it Christianity in NZ is on a long term trend downwards. You can forecast the future all you like but like I told you before the census data was released - religious belief in NZ is dropping. Then the census data came out and as I predicted belief has dropped. My predictions are accurate whereas yours, like religion, is just wishful thinking. AceModerator 05:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken, Ken, Ken...no matter which way you slice it Christianity in NZ is on a long term trend downwards. You can forecast the future all you like but like I told you before the census data was released - religious belief in NZ is dropping. Then the census data came out and as I predicted belief has dropped. My predictions are accurate whereas yours, like religion, is just wishful thinking. AceModerator 05:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Why are people trying to discuss things rationally with Ken? Would you try and discuss things rationally with a two year old who swears blind he keeps a lion under his bed? Would you try to outstare a baby? It's pointless. Yes, sometimes it's fun, but when the fun stops so should you. London Grump (talk) 08:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ace, you are not arguing againg me, you are arguing against math and reason. You have an unshakeable and irrational belief that short-term and intermediate term trends can go on infinitely despite being at odds with longstanding long term trends. I suggest embracing reality no matter how bitter you may find it to be. I know it's hard for an atheist to embrace reality, but I suggest you at least try to do this.


 * The agnostic professor Eric Kaufmann has embraced reality considering desecularization, I suggest you do the same.SamuelAdams (talk) 09:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh Ken, arguing against all evidence to the contrary. Even though none of the figures supports his case at all he still says his own prognostications are what really matter. Every metric shows he’s wrong but still he says the opposite. Checkmate, Ken. Checkmate... AceModerator 18:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Do we have a rule against sock puppets?--Mercian (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't ban him until he tells us what he thought of the Hunter Biden sex tape. LondonGrump (talk) 18:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I no longer follow politics. But I will check the news the day after the 2020 U.S. presidential election.


 * And God willing, when the next Great Depression hits due to inept politicians and the populaces that elected them, I will be more prepared than the former Conservapedian User:TheAmericanRedoubt.AlexeiKaramazov (talk) 19:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That is more present than future tense. Who is in power now?--Mercian (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Obviously it's Joe Biden. President Trump's re-election ads heavily imply so. 19:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clearing that up. Republicans blaming him for the country's Covid response makes more sense now. Before now I thought it was because Trump was so weak and inept that Biden was able to subvert his every move from behind the scenes.--Mercian (talk) 20:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

An Andy classic makes a reappearance...
Andy gives us a classic, namely his Fidel Castro dying 10 years ago. Thank fuck we have Trump to solve the mystery for us. AceModerator 06:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * CP has been really sad, rather than funny, lately, especially with nobs and Flingbottom latching onto every unfounded conspiracy theory in sight (can't wait to hear from nobs how Martin Aspen is *totally* real and the Deep State is reading Tucker's mail), but I await Wednesday with absolute glee, because the batshit insanity is going to be ramped up to 12 when Trump loses. Andy will cry, clutching a photo of Mummy; Hurlbut will buy another generator, to make sure he's the street obergruppensturmfuhrer when the apocalypse comes; Karajou will be drunk on Mad Dog 20/20, as the voices tell him to clean his guns; nobs will tells us how Pelosi has already ordered guillotines to be erected on the Mall. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 07:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * IF he loses and IF it’s funny when Trump poll watchers shoot someone. AceModerator 08:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Like I said before, if Andy could just declare Castro dead years before he died, he could have said Trump died immediately after testing positive for Covid-19. Trump loses the election? That's because it wasn't really him. Trump wins the election and carries on being a dick? No need to blame inept advisors anymore. It's not really Trump. Andy missed out on what would have been a win-win situation for him there. Spud (talk) 10:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Andy's demand for apologies
[][] To be honest when he posted them I agreed with him, there was a dark 2 or 3 hours when it looked like Trump would walk it. Now it seems like Trump will win Pennsylvania but lose in Michigan, Wisconsin on top of Arizona. I am sure Andy will be apologetic himself if it does turn out that way.--Mercian (talk) 14:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * He's probably just still wounded from his miserable failure to appeal the 5th circuit to invalidate any and all Election Day drive-through votes. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Two truths in this world - Andrew Schlafly is a shit lawyer, and Germans love David Hasselhoff. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hah. I remember being over there in the early 90s and flicking through whatever you call the German version of Smash Hits. The Hoff had five singles in the top 50, with three of those in the top 20. It was almost as big a shock as discovering they put mayonnaise on their chips. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I heard it differently. Two truths: Epstein didn' kill himself and cp:Sally Yates is corrupt. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 18:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

CP in meltdown
The front page is a disaster at the moment. Their robust sources are mainly links to individual tweets. Pretty solid case they have (still proclaiming the completely debunked "They gave Biden an extra 138K votes too. AceModerator 23:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * They're trying to will the election their way I guess. They shouldn't despair quite yet.  Still a chance Trump wins.  Also, this wasn't the unilateral rebuke of Trumpism we hoped for.  Apparently 48% of the country supports a president who disparages WWII veterans and has a "fox in the henhouse" view of federal appointments, amongst other things.  Many other things.  Too many scandals and incompetencies to name in a post I only intended to take me a minute to write--Hastur! (talk)  00:14, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Notice Trump's vast improvement in Miami-Dade county? Rational Americans appreciate Trump's tremendous accomplishments, especially Cuban-Americans in Florida who helped deliver the state for Trump! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * And the flips in Florida's 26th and 27th congressional districts certainly mean plenty; the only reason they used to be Republican were because they were represented by RINOs who lost/retired in the 2018 midterms, and now they are picked by actual Republicans over corrupt Democrats! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks more and more likely Trump is going to lose. AceModerator 01:25, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Rational Americans want the moron to go back to whatever pit spawned him. 01:28, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Tell me LT, why should counting continue in Arizona but stopped elsewhere?--Mercian (talk) 03:26, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Different situations. Unlike Arizona, the new "ballots" in Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. are likely fraudulent because they're mail-in ones that supposedly are for Biden by statistically impossible percentages on a practical level; and yes, many Republicans do vote by mail in the right way. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Michigan are to halt counting without election observers and recount the bogus ballots in front of observers. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 05:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * When ballots are "counted" without poll watchers allowed, this happens. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:59, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Or you’re just losing. But na, must be some conspiracy. You people are fucked. AceModerator 06:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

LT, Rob - are you involved in democracy or politics at any level in real life or are you just spectators "analysing" it online like you would a football game? LondonGrump (talk) 07:45, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No one shouting fraud has yet been able to produce any real evidence. LT your answer is bollocks. The vote is to go on in Arizona because Trump is behind there, no other reason whatsoever. What this election cycle has proven to me is that Republicans are staunch law and order types as long as they agree, if not they are no better than anarchists.--Mercian (talk) 13:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There will always be a certain fraction of a percent 'dubious votes' ('non-standard marks/mark next to the relevant box rather than in it'; postal votes of persons dying before election date etc; and actually dubious intent) which cannot be avoided.
 * 'Some obscure nation-state' could probably make a certain amount of money by hiring out nationals elsewhere as 'neutral electoral observers.' Anna Livia (talk) 13:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * At least Anarchists try to improve society with things like feeding the homeless. The GOP can't even say that much. 14:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * One thing's for sure, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden get pardons out of this mess. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 15:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Will they join the left wing insurrection?--Mercian (talk) 16:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hell no. It's Trump's revenge against the Deep State. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 18:35, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that nobs and LT are trafficking in more half truths, outright misinformation and magical thinking. Countdown to the time they forget Trump even existed and move on to the next manufactraversy.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:19, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * or they'll keep it bringing up long after everyone has forgotten as a great injustice, a great man brought down by the deep state through wide spread voting fraud, with a hoax of a pandemic designed to keep people at home instead of going to vote, with maurading bands of antifa/blm providing voter intimidation. people have short and imperfect memories, and society is still so polarised for us to believe the most outrageous slanders about each other. i cant imagine biden will be so transformative that trump supporters will be looking back at this period any time soon and say 'what were we thinking? we must have gone crazy, it was madness' AMassiveGay (talk) 21:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Or Trump can go back on the road and start doing rallies again. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 00:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Rumor has it....both the hardware and software in Michigan were ....made in ....Chyna.  nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 04:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Rumour has it that you have been lying through your teeth, blaming everything on liberals and generally acting like a psychotic spoilt brat ever since you were allowed back on Conservapedia under condition you would become Kendol's bitch. --Mercian (talk) 06:15, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Two things, Rob. First, do you honestly think the Republican party is going to stand by Trump?  Seriously?  Second, thank you.  I can't tell you how much pleasure I'm getting from watching you guys suffer like this.  Your intellectual contortions, your desperate attempt to cling on to the Trump's Cult of Personality in face of overwhelming reality like some vodka soaked Russian octogenarian crying over a picture of Stalin, the idea of Trump screaming like Bruno Ganz in Downfall as his staff drift away leaving only the basest criminals to stroke their dear leader in his despair, are glorious to witness.  Shall we have a Gotterdamerung listening party later?  LondonGrump (talk) 13:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Do I think the GOP will stand by Trump? Actually, Trump lost limp dick white males tired of being unfairly called racist and gained in every other group. And Latinos don't much care for woke white supremacists. And, God forbid, should Trump lose, I'd more relate to Amfortas in Act 3 of Parsifal. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 18:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * (Wow. I just realized that video link features the Rationalwiki logo prominently front and center). nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 18:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You need to break out your survival gear Rob, do you think the new Marxist regime would not have noticed all your recent posts denouncing them on CP? I don't think you will be in the first phase of roundups so you will have a few days to settle your affairs and flee. I will miss you. Andy does not read this but what happened to the insurmountable leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin? And Ken, how many times did you predict Trumpslide 2020? --Mercian (talk) 17:09, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Is that a yes or a no, Rob? Consider that while I drink a toast to schaudenfreude.  LondonGrump (talk)
 * You;re right. I probably wouldn't be in the first round of round-ups. But there's still time to persuade DNC operatives away from their CCP slave masters. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 19:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

All true right-wing, conservatives are unflappable. Even in the face of the most calamitous circumstances, a true right-wing conservative will say, "It could have been worse. I am going to count my blessings. We have not yet begun to fight!" And of course, if he is politically inclined, he will carry on with a stiff upper lip and battle on. Unlike leftists, conservatives don't embarrass themselves in public with tears and wailing. And unlike godless, leftists pantywaists, they certainly do not seek therapy after they lose an election because God is their strength.

As far as the Trumpslide 2020 which never materialized, of course, black swan events like worldwide pandemics which affect the economy can alter the expected course of history.

Next, Biden has not won yet. The process is not over (states certifying elections, the courts, etc.). The media cannot coronate the leader of the United States nor can pundits or armchair political commentators.

And should Donald J. Trump lose the 2020 presidential election, there is the possibility that he will pull a Grover Cleveland and win in 2024. And given his wealth, he could launch a news network as he would have a ready-made audience that does not like fake news.

And one thing for certain, unlike broke leftists who bitterly and enviously complain about the rich; hardworking, American conservatives with the Protestant work ethic can prosper whether a Republican or Democrat resides in the Oval Office!TomWilber (talk) 00:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken or whoever, grow the fuck up, you lost. 00:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * How can Trump lose? nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 00:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And given his wealth Baaaaahahahahahahahahaha - yeah his "wealth". The banks are going to come calling and he personally owes 300 million while almost all his holdings are losing vast sums. His wealth? His wealth came from you, Ken and Rob, the taxpayer paying $3 for his glass of water. AceModerator 00:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Philadelphia had a case of election fraud as recently as 2017. The United States, especially the Democrats, have a long history of election fraud.


 * "From our "Circle of Life" file comes this story about a 59-year-old Philadelphia man who's pleaded guilty to election fraud in connection with a 2017 special election replacing a lawmaker who'd pleaded guilty to a federal felony charge. Thurman George, a machine worker in the 197th House District, was sentenced to five years' probation and disqualified from voting for four years, Attorney General Josh Shapiro's office said. He's the third Philly poll worker to plead guilty to fraud in the contest to replace former Democratic state Rep. Leslie Acosta."


 * Donald Trump has a history of battling his opponents in court until the bitter end.


 * Deny that US elections have been overturned by election fraud and lose all credibility!TomWilber (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Ken! I'm your biggest fan, I can always count on you outing yourself with your shitty argument style! You're my favorite comedian of CP for a reason :) Rockford the Roe (talk) 02:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken, you will never consider us credible. Let's not beat around the bush here, your "threat" isn't worth shit. 00:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

“The people who are watching @FoxNews, in record numbers (thank you President Trump), are angry. They want an alternative now. So do I!” - Donald J. Trump, April 26, 2020

Joe Biden will probably not run a second term if he is duly elected. Kamala Harris is far to the left and not popular.

Even if Trump fails to overturn the election due to uncovering large scale voter fraud and/or successfully contesting mail in ballets, he poses a credible threat in 2024. President Grover Cleveland served non-successive terms. Once Joe Biden faces headwind and screws up his presidency, he will be as unpopular as Emmanuel Macron is in France.

Al Gore's fans maintained he won the election in 2020, but ultimately the courts played a large role in the election and George W. Bush won.JonathonMarkley (talk) 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry Ken, but this is obligatory

Rockford the Roe (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * There won't be any elections in 2024. This is the first step in turning America into a single-party socialist state. And they already have their hit lists made up for retribution and gulags. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself Biden didn't win 02:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * :The evidence you have for fraud comes from Twitter feeds and what some idiot reckons. Come back when you have something the courts can look at it. Otherwise why don’t you don’t enjoy the fact you are no longer using your tax dollars to fund the lifestyle of an 74 year grifter who sits on a gold toilet. You, Ken, lost credibility supporting Trump. Someone so antithetical to the beliefs you claim to hold dear. It’s YOU without credibility, you and that proven liar Rob. Why don’t you both fuck off to your holes. You have nothing to offer anyone. AceModerator 02:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken. Rob. Really? Harris, far-left? Really? You idiots are so out of touch with reality that you have no idea what the actual far-left looks like. I know this because you just tried red scare bullshit over a couple of centrists. 02:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We'll see who has the last laugh when President Qae-mala locks your ass up for smoking a joint and puts you on a prison chain gang at $1 an hour to fight California wildfires. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself Biden didn't win 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, there’s people who are going to lock you up for a joint are the people on the left? Where did you get that nutso bullshit? Also you just elected to centrists. Joe is so in the middle he could just as well be a Republican. But we heard all your red scare nonsense regarding Obama and we all survived that. Anyway, Rob’s just a liar anyway. A stone cold liar. And a fucking dick to boot. AceModerator 02:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Go read Que-mala's record as CA AG on CP (in fact, I cut and pasted most of it out of Wikipedia before they deleted it). And remember Biden's words, "I am the Democratic party," a dottering old demented fool whose only recent accomplishment after putting Blacks in chains is stealing elections and disenfranchising 70 million people's votes while destroying the Democrat coalition by chasing away 26% of the Black vote. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself Biden didn't win 03:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Admitting to violating the CC BY-SA to own the libs B), and also telling us to read and take your shitshow seriously is like tankies telling soc-dems to "reed theory" Rockford the Roe (talk) 03:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hint: It’s not Biden sounding like a demented fool here, Rob. Go lie elsewhere. AceModerator 03:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * You want me to die Kendol? of course you do. You celebrated when British children were killed by your fellow terrorists, the life of one middle-aged man is a mild slap on the wrist after that. I don't want you to die . I want you to live out your life as the broken bigoted pro terrorist cunt that you are.--Mercian (talk) 06:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, this nigga wrote all that bullshit on a site I don't frequent, talking about a debate? Lol-RipCityLiberal (talk) 07:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Aw, come on, be nice to these guys. Remember: these are not normal people; these are people heavily emotionally invested in partisan politics.  Even if we set aside any psychiatric or learning needs, or plain old fashioned ignorance, their entire world has been turned upside down.  They lost their moral compass years ago and can't navigate their way through this existential storm.  The world is the scariest it's ever been for them.  Of course they're going to lash out or flounder about using the same tools that gave them the illusion of security in the past.  It's going to be a long, painful process for them.  Let's send our thoughts and prayers.  LondonGrump (talk) 10:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I can only think back to the words of the great Ru Paul Charles, who said "Honey, what people say about me behind my back is none of my damn business." Semipenultimate (talk) 20:47, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * They don't deserve my pity or my anger. I find their pathetic ideology hilarious.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Overturning the 2020 election results is the new birtherism
Remember how CP and fringe conservatives desperately pursued birtherism in the hopes of magically undoing all of Obama's policies? This will be the next 4-8 years. We just need a name for it.--Hastur! (talk) 18:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * They're already calling it "Ballotgate" on td.w and conservative reddit spaces. It's always voter fraud whenever Republicans lose. Rockford the Roe (talk) 18:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's especially wild considering they are contesting an election where they picked up a couple seats in the House and protected several seats in the Senate. I mean it's not exactly much of a stolen election, if the Democrats couldn't even sweep the GOP to secure a 400 seat house and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That was part of the cunning plan. The fraudulent ballots chose Biden but only Republicans down-ticket.  That's why McConnell can gloat about the Congressional pickups but insist those same ballots were fraudulent wrt President.  Quite a brilliant scheme. Makes me proud to be a Democrat. Whoover (talk) 21:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The lengths CP is going to in order to deny reality is staggering. No source is too tenuous it seems. Even twitter posts are being used as "evidence" of the fraud. I'm actually quite impressed - it must take a herculean effort to reach this level of cognitive dissonance. AceModerator 22:21, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * For example here is one of their excellent sources. Hard to argue with this. AceModerator 23:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Niko House is one of the best, most informed Progressive sites on Youtube. nobsHell to the Thief! 19:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I recommend reading the comments on this article CP posted. Truly delightful.  It's a about a ruling affecting a tiny number of ballots that couldn't conceivably change the election results.  The commenters are living in an alternate reality.  Conservapedia is stale with few users but this article is a fresh injection of right-wing crazy--Hastur! (talk)  01:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * It's worth remembering that MAGA means idiot or dupe in Nigerian Pidgin. LondonGrump (talk) 07:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * RE: "The commenters are living in an alternate reality" Reminds me of how 🇰🇪 keeps creaming himself imagining the "desecularization" he loves to imagine is occurring, despite his only "proof" being statistics from (at least) 10 years ago, from a very biased source. And then bringing that nonsense onto our 's talkpage to even further beclown himself. -- Goatspeed. 02:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * To be fair it means the same in English, French, German, Swahili, SAN Bushman. In fact it means idiot in any language. Oldusgitus (talk) 07:55, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm delighting in reading comments from conservatives convinced that the election isn't over and that massive fraud will soon be revealed. They'll be keeping this up until 2024.  Then they'll invent some new scandal so that they don't have to admit defeat.--Hastur! (talk)  21:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I wonder if any of the our conservapedians were among the hundreds who turned up for the Million Maga March yesterday. For some reason, MPR is very quiet about it. LondonGrump (talk) 10:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * shouldnt they be in church or something? AMassiveGay (talk) 12:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus and humidity

 * Fauci: Wear masks
 * CP: Fuck you, freedom
 * Fauci: OK, how about social distancing?
 * CP: Fuck off
 * Fauci: Maybe think about not congregating together for long periods of time?
 * CP: Nope, not doing that either
 * Fauci: .....
 * CP: How come you didn't tell us about getting a dehumidifier asshole?!
 * Fucks sake. What the fuck is wrong with these people. AceModerator 22:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Trump: Hey, take a look at HCQ and how Zelenko healed so many people with it!
 * Liberals: OMG, Trump's promoting this drug, which must mean that it's bad!
 * Fauci: HCQ is bad!
 * MSM: Oh look! An Arizona man ingested HCQ and died! Trump is evil!
 * Democrats: Let's restrict HCQ access because Trump promoted it!
 * Trump, listening to inept anti-HCQ advisers: *crickets*
 * * high coronavirus death rate in the U.S."*
 * Liberals: Oh look, all these coronavirus deaths are Trump's fault! It's totally not like it's because we disparaged HCQ and because Democrat governors killed thousands of seniors! If only everyone would just wear a mask and stop caring so much about the freedom our Founding Fathers fought so hard to give us!
 * LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fuck off LT. AceModerator 22:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * By editing any page other than his Coop case one, LT has violated the terms of his unblock. I have just blocked him for another 3.6 days. Spud (talk) 00:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The most insulting part of LT's reply was that he implied that people like me are Liberals. 00:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The dumbest part of it is if Fauci had said everyone needed to use dehumidifiers CP would be the first place to say how stupid it is and they won't because liberals and Fauci is a Biden man. AceModerator 00:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If HCQ is so good why aren't all the nations in the world stocking up on it instead of letting their people die and economies implode? LT and his crew love it because Trump pushed it like he pushed disinfectant, dismissed COVID publicly though not privately, shared tweets saying Fauci should be harmed and had his henchman Bannon call for his head. It's obvious why Conservapedia adores him, he shares their depravity.--Mercian (talk) 15:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * When Trump got Covid, he didn't take HCQ. Andy was pissed at his "inept advisors." Kind of surprised they're still as gung-ho on it now. Whoover (talk) 20:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course they're still invested in all this bollocks. Think about it.  For whatever reason, they had a huge hole in their lives which they filled with an imaginary Magic Sky Man.  They were groomed by people who offered to give them what their imaginary friend couldn't.  Like a 13 year old girl from a children's home with a much older boyfriend, they know they're in the wrong situation but what's the alternative?  A life without affection and meaning?  It's arguably the rational thing to hang on and hang on because reality was scary before and it's even scarier now.
 * At a tangent, I wonder how many conservapedians are married (or in a civil partnership) and have dependents. Not many, I imagine.  LondonGrump (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Capture not working?
WIGO:CP since March 2019 seems to not have the images capped. Is that intended? User:K61824User_talk:K61824 21:28, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * IIRC Capturebot was Pi's creation, and after he stopped editing and a mediawiki update borked it, nobody knew how / could be bothered to unbork it. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Is CP Down for Good?
CP has been down since the evening of the 27th, and it's not just me. Is it still underdoing the DDoS attack from a few weeks ago? Have they finally pulled the plug? MDB (the MD used to be for Maryland, but now means Magically Deliciousthe B is still for Bear) 18:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * https was working for me yesterday but no more. I doubt it's down for good, though.  Andy isn't the type to admit defeat--Hastur! (talk)  18:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * One of the sysops 'fixed' it by rerouting everyone through 127.0.0.1. Then they blocked someone... The autoblock blocked EVERYONE, IF you can get the site to load. Sievert 81 (talk) 18:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I was just coming to ask the same thing. I haven't been able to get into CP for days. What's going on? 19:49, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * While I wouldn't at all miss the racism, sexism, homophobia, Muslimophobia, atheophobia, etc. and don't think that anything of value would be lost if CP really does go out for good, I am not looking forward to the shit hitting the fan as a mass exodus of CP users would then arrive here in droves to troll our site if that's the case. -- Goatspeed. 22:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Mass exodus? That site has like five active editors--Hastur! (talk)  06:14, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * And Karajou would never edit Otisburg, not even if you payed him. He would, however, blame us for killing CP. Spud (talk) 06:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Loads ok for me. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 14:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * https is working for me again but the mainpage looks weird and recent changes stops at the 30th--Hastur! (talk) 04:40, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * As of today, I am able to access their page (though their main page still looks odd and loads super slow.) -- Goatspeed. 19:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Still down for me. And now we got another CP refugee. Oh joy. 20:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I just got it to work, but now it looks and acts strange. 20:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure if it's connected, but it looks like Anger Bear went all in on some rangeblocks and stopped basically everyone from editing for a while. I'd expect no less from him. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい ) 23:09, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

What's with all the downvotes?
Is it me, or have all the items on WIGO:conservapedia been massively downvoted over the last few days?

Could this be the mysterious collective known as Ken, delivering a decisive blow to atheism at the end of another Worst Year Ever?

Or is it a horde of homeschooled kids, clamouring for course credits from Andy?

Perhaps it's Generalissimo CokeEyes' using his Generator of Power to take us down before Biden sends in the tanks?

Maybe it's the Kraken!

Or maybe my grumpy old laptop is making it up.

Who knows?

Who cares?

LondonGrump (talk) 20:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * They're unleashing - sigh - the Kra-Ken. Semipenultimate (talk) 22:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I hate you so much right now. :) RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:28, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not near as much as I hate myself for typing it. I've been hurt badly by puns in the past. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * lmfao, dude Twodots (talk) 22:08, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I see what you did there! LondonGrump (talk)
 * Na, it was me. Nutty Roux (talk) 02:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's just another troll attack. — Oxyaena Harass  09:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Probably LT's sock army. -- Goatspeed. 05:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I wrote a script to do it. It’s just too easy to get fresh IP addresses on Verizon 5G ultra with an iPhone. I’m so sorry. Nutty Roux (talk) 13:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't apologise. It's pretty funny.  LondonGrump (talk) 14:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I've just gone and upvoted every single one. -- Goatspeed. 20:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Totally in their own world.
It really is amazing to me that CP think that the election was stolen yet for some reason no one has been able to prove it in court. Why isn't Andy, being the law talking guy, reaching out to Trump's legal team with the fraud allegations and, err, "proof" that the election was stolen? I mean all Giuliani need do is read CP's front page and the evidence is there in black and white. Come on Andy, it's time to put those law skills to work. Launch a case man. AceModerator 22:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ace, they don't need the courts to win with their supporters. The assertion, unsupported by evidence and unsustainable under investigation, made by people whom they believe unquestioningly, -is- proof to them. It's the same evidentiary standard that was used to prove that the most unpopular people in any given town were witches. Semipenultimate (talk) 00:25, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If you think CP is funny, you want to see the loonies on Above Top Secret.LondonGrump (talk) 10:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

2020 A bad year for atheists?
Atheistic China was able to export it's virus "weapon" causing huge problems throughout the world whilst leaving itself and atheistic neighbours relatively untouched. Atheistic Cuba and Venezuela were able to turn the election for commie Joe. Trump's increasing number of commie atheistic advisors have advised him ineptly at every corner. Trump is finished, Proud Boys are finished where ANTIFA are poised to get stronger and stronger. Who had the bad year again? --Mercian (talk) 19:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Every year has been the worst year for atheists, according to Ken. Personally, I'm still waiting for Operation Flying Fortress to come and finish us off. TBH, 2020 has hardly been a good advertisement for Christianity - with super-spreader choir practices, preachers putting tithes over the health of their congregation, and let's not forget super con artist Ken Copeland "blowing" coronavirus away in March, you know, before 350,000 odd Americans died from it. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 09:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The US churchgoers' and Iranian mosquegoers' refusal to refrain from attending physical services has been leading more people to become disillusioned with religion! Will this help with the rapid secularization of Christian America, Islamic Iran, (probably) Islamic Britain, Islamic Turkey, and Hindu India (which is probably my home country on account of race alone and which has its sexy slender atheist ladies who probably exist kicking sand into Señor Kendoll's face)? Gentlemen at a failing Christian/Trumpist website starting with C, I hate to say it, but on behalf of all of atheistdom I declare victory Isn't it way past time to shut down your trusworthy Encyclopedia and fly the white flag of surrender? Olé! Olé! Olé! -- Goatspeed. 08:55, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Another Christian festival ignored by Conservapedia: two questions
As usual, Conservapedia doesn't bother marking a major festival on its front page.

However, Conservapedia seems, well, anaemic at the moment. It's not just the absence of major comedy moments or mind boggling contraditions, or the links to articles not read or understood that are missing. It's a complete lack of energy and colour. Apart from the occasional essay on the motifs du jour, like the Marxist insurrections of 2020, there's just no substance. It's like Andy has few fucks left to give and is only still paying the server bills because his accountant hasn't reminded him about them yet.

Is this because Young Ken is the soul of Conservapedia and his low profile means it is now little more than a twitching corpse?

And, in another direction, when was the Golden Age of Conservapedia? It's long gone, and there were some real high points, but when did it become another MySpace? LondonGrump (talk) 18:19, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd hazard a guess that "fun" Conservapedia died with TK in 2010. By then, the sanest (for a given value of sane) sysops were gone, and the majority of the genuine editors had been blocked by TK, or parodists like Bugler, or had thrown in the towel in disgust after things like Creepy Uncle Ed savaging the maths articles. The homeschoolers (if they had existed at all) had long since departed, which left 5 angry old white dudes running the show, and a bunch of new crazies/parodists with zero interest in creating encyclopedic content, over ideological gibberish. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 19:44, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Not to mention how they let the infamous inter-project wiki troll/quackery-pusher shit all over their articles that rant about how science is an evil lie orchestrated by DA ATEEYIZTZ and DA LIBROOLZ to lead the children away from GYAWD. And when I saw them tolerate the silly CAPS LOCK-screeching and incoherent throwing around of mindless accusations of a certain kiddie named "United States" who has been warning the few remaining sysops to "protect Conservapedia" from me because he thinks I wish to go and destroy CP's physical server and is frantically trying to discover the identity of the infamous INTURNEHT TEROORIST: his own PC BoN #127.0.0.1. And he thinks we are a "Chinese dystopia" he was "trapped" in "BECAUSE WE DID SOURCES THAT CENSOORED HIS FREEZE-PEACH (ONOZ!)", I was surprised, as I thought that even they aren't that thick. It goes without saying that this reality-isolated homeskolled guy needs professional help. -- Goatspeed.  03:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Breaking: PeterKa has a youtube channel
What's a good antonym for charismatic?--Hastur! (talk) 07:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * He sounds like Andy, only worse. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Andy hearts Ted
It seems Andy is pinning his hopes on Ted Cruz as the next Great White Hope. I had him pegged as a Tom Cotton kinda guy. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 00:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed it. "Ted Cruz has the opportunity to gain the support of 74 million Americans who voted for Trump by disregarding their votes for Trump and objecting to certification in the Senate." It's magic. Nutty Roux (talk) 01:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If Andy was smart he'd put his money on Crenshaw. Ah well, I guess Andy isn't very good at gambling. 01:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's likely that whoever wins the nomination will become a bonafide True Conservative in Andy's eyes. Although I'm curious as to how Trump's attempts to retain control over the Republican establishment will play out.  I can definitely see Trump attacking party leadership well into the 2024 elections.  Then people like Andy will truly be torn apart.  This could actually be a great boon for the American left.  Should Trump be able to continue cannibalizing the Republican party we could see a lot more victories in the US--Hastur! (talk)  03:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Trump doesn't strike me as having the moral fibre or commitment to continue campaigning in the wings. His supporters seem to be kind of people who are easily herded into supporting any contortions of the GOP. At best, Trump will be a talking head on the media, like Nigel Farage, full of piss and wind but ultimately signifying little.  LondonGrump (talk) 10:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Andy hates Ted. Most of the bile in the CP Cruz article is pure, uncut Schlafly. If he's pinning his hopes on anyone, it's Tommy Tuberville: straight in at no. 2 for COTY 2020. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 03:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's okay for Peter Thiel to support you if you're Donald Trump, tho--Hastur! (talk) 03:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * It seems that lately he seems to regard "a SeTbAhK fOr tEh jAiNuHvYrOoS VaXxEeN" as something desirable; a sure sign of a diseased mind. (There's no way to even access the main page's history or even that left side bar thingy in the desktop version, so no permalink. Sorry.) -- Goatspeed. 03:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * --Hastur! (talk) 03:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah, there it is. Thank you, Hastur. Adding to WIGO right now. -- Goatspeed. 04:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

An article from Andy.
It basically says fuck democracy, Trump is pro life and therefore should remain president. --Mercian (talk) 12:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Andy can read the US Constitution about as well as he reads the Bible. (I wonder if at some point in the "Conservative Bible Project", all references to "The Lord" will be replaced with "Trump"?) PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 18:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Managed to get “CheckUser blocked” on CP after I left it.
The thing is, they still have the “everyone is localhost” glitch. So they CU blocked me based on the fact that the non-existent IP address is shared by trolls. By that logic they should block everyone else too. Not that I care, I was leaving anyway. But the interesting thing is they deleted around 10 of my articles that didn’t have any conspiracy/POV pushing stuff in it, (all the red links here) but kept all the rest?? They also deleted my user page and talk page. I find it funny that they ignored the obvious parodist (starts with a U and ends with States) but blocked me. I left it like 3 weeks ago, due to all the religion pushing. Checked back to see that. Just thought it was kind of funny (and maybe deserves a spot on the WIGO CP).

ETA: Suspicious that Ken removed the AFD notice on this ridiculous (https://conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Alzheimer%27s_disease) article 30 minutes before my block. Sievert 81 (talk) 17:34, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, Anger Bear... violating basic MediaWiki admin etiquette by deleting talk pages, and alienating people who agree with him. And I think United States, given his trolling of us and legitimately spreading lies about moi on CP and his seemingly genuine persecution complex, is either a master parodist or a sheltered, homeskolled right-wing kiddie who really does think that anyone who happens to know someone who happens to know someone who works for a Chinese government-owned company is a Chinese spy.
 * Oh yeah, and Ken will always violate the site rules to protect his pet articles. And like, half of the essays he makes these days feature his regained obsession with our site, which is supposed to be a banned subject. -- Goatspeed. 17:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Funny how the same idiot that accused me of spreading pseudoscience is the same one linking prion disease to atheism. Sievert 81 (talk) 17:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Crank magnetism, man. Crank magnetism. Twodots (talk) 18:06, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * * sigh * You're just not gonna let go of that "prions cause everything!" belief, are you, Sievert? -- Goatspeed. 22:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * sigh... PrPSc is not the only prion. See: Multiple system atrophy. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2019/05/414326/alzheimers-disease-double-prion-disorder-study-shows https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601197/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235287291630015X https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(20)30274-X/fulltext https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-for-person-to-person-transmission-of-alzheimer-s-pathology/ Sievert 81 (talk) 00:23, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

CP Jan 6th insurrection coverage
Among RobS' usual false-flag blathering, he included this little gem: "House Chaplain ends session with prayer to 'bless Antifa'", along with a handy link showing the moment of prayer. A slightly more rational mind might hear Chaplain Barry C. Black intone "Bless and keep us". Don't let the mask slip too far, Robs!--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 23:23, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * This should go on the wigo; it's just too hilarious! -- Goatspeed. 00:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It's not just Conservapedia. The whole right wing internet is going off like July 4th, Bonfire Night, Diwali and New Year's Eve all at once.  LondonGrump (talk) 11:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I wonder how like before there is a MPR story about Bradlee Dean using Bible quotes which he seems to pick at random to justify what has happened. "Overthrowing the will of people is God's intent, Corinthians Chapter 5 Verse 7."--Mercian (talk) 14:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rob is staggeringly dishonest to perpetuate this conspiracy theory. The chaplain is clearly saying "god bless and keep us", not "god bless antifa". Nutty Roux (talk) 22:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * He must be shitting his pants. One one hand, the Communist Secret Police have him on a list because of his fearless investigations and reporting; on the other, he hasn't got the bottle or nous to go off grid.  What to do?

A bit of WTF from Andy, referencing the Twelfth Amendment: "this amendment requires the Senate President (the Vice President of the United States) to open the Electoral College votes, but does not specify who should count them and thus the House (voting by state delegation) could do that." Sooo.... they just make every state get one vote despite the number of electoral college votes? They just have the House elect the President every four years? What the fuck is he on about here? --Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 04:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Covered by The Onion a long time ago -- "Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be" PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 04:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There's this one from Andy who says the protestors were disrespectful. He fails to mention they were on top of  being disrespectful a violent mob egged on by Trump to murder his own VP, a man described by Andy as weak with no machismo. Is it hyperbole to label him traitor?--Mercian (talk) 21:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering when they would fully melt-down. They can't tacitly support Christian Fascism with the focus on so high right not.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Trump Who?
US national debt to 2015 is Obama's fault; after that it's Pelosi's. Whoover (talk) 21:15, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Casual anti semitism from Conservapedia
1 Sievert 81 (talk) 04:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Says the boy who added something so horrible to CP's Judaism article that the revision has been hidden. Spud (talk) 05:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you call spamming “CP sysops are far-right bastards that hate jews!” and a bunch of porn links “anti semitism”, sure. But I was just trolling them. I wanted to make them think I was a “juvenile delinquent” sock, and they tend to revert their changes after doing it. Sievert 81 (talk) 22:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If what you say is true (which it might be, given that when it comes to this "juvenile delinquent" their admins' approach seems to be feeding the troll big-time), then yes, fair enough. that's not antisemitism. However, we do not encourage vandalism on other wikis, and it was still not funny, and just stupid. -- Goatspeed. 01:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Never wanted it to be. Just wanted to make them think I was a subversive infiltrator to mess with them. Sievert 81 (talk) 01:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. The user United States, who was recently given a really long block by nobs for some unexplained "ban evasion", thinks I want to go to Chicago and destroy CP's physical server; I trust that you have seen that page in his userspace. -- Goatspeed. 01:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the same guy who thinks someone used “his” IP address (127.0.0.1, aka localhost) to vandalize the site and was trying to get him banned. He called him a “internet terrorist”. Sievert 81 (talk)
 * All it seems to take to get them is the ex-Navy SEAL copypasta, I can't believe that actually still works there; I've had it directed at me on Wikipedia a couple times, it's not hard to just remove without comment. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい ) 01:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * They seem to be incapable of understanding satire. That’s why they always get infiltrated by trolls. Account creation is off now because of that. Sievert 81 (talk) 01:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Vandalizing a page by adding a bunch of porn links is enough in and of itself to get you banned for life on just about every wiki out there. Whether they suspect you of being a sock of some other juvenile delinquent is irrelevant. And if you think doing that on CP makes you look good to RationalWiki moderators, it doesn't. Spud (talk) 06:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I’d argue going through a user’s contributions and following me to every single discussion to say something negative about them is worse. I merely stated what I did and why I did it to defend against the anti semitism accusation. I never said I was in the right, never said I was in the wrong. Some of the users, even sysops, have made parody or vandalism accounts on CP before. Not to brag or show off. I tried to pull myself out of the far-right propaganda, I tried to pull myself out of my depression, and a lot of the sysops here appreciate my effort and are happy with my edits. I know this because I received the autopatrolled privilege. I found a source to refute my 75,000 cases theory, and stopped believing in it. So there goes your worry about the “conspiracy”. COVID=AIDS and masks were trolls. I apologized for that, and people fucking accepted that. I know this, because again, i’m not currently blocked, and I have the autopatrolled privilege. Autopatrolled is specifically used to signify that this user’s edits appear fine, and, you know, don’t need to be patrolled. Every edit after the 3rd has been constructive. And as I’ve reiterated, it’s not just me saying that. I am not far-right anymore. I am moderate right. I find it strange that the far-right was more accepting. And this needs to be said: FUCK TRUMP, FUCK THE ALT RIGHT, FUCK THE KKK, FUCK THE CAPITOL STORMERS, AND FUCK RACISM! There, I said it. It seems strange that a wiki based on rationality and anti-extremism would reject someone who accepts what they did wrong and wants to change. If they didn’t want to change people, then why bash extremism? It would just purely be virtue signaling at that point. I know the left is not fond of that term, but that is what it would be. But I know this wiki is not about that. I know it’s not the “far left, anti right, Marxist, idiot-filled shithole” that the far-right likes to think it is. I know that now That’s why I came here, because I wanted to come out of the propaganda and change my views on the world for the better. And I wouldn’t have been blocked from CP if I didn’t vandalize it as a last “fuck you” to far-right propaganda. If the wiki wanted me gone, I would not be able to type this. Sievert 81 (talk) 07:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sievert, how old are you? LondonGrump (talk) 09:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am a moderator. It's my business to regularly look at the All things in moderation page, pass comment there and discuss things with other moderators in order to try to do the best for this wiki. It was my contempt for Conservvapedia that led me to RationalWiki in the first place. This page was the first one I ever edited and I still check the changes to it regularly. I am not going out of my way just to follow you around. Spud (talk) 13:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * -- Goatspeed. 20:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

So far far removed from reality
CP: Poll finds only 2% blame President Trump for Capitol riot! Reality: That's according to the latest unscientific poll of more than 1,900 people at SharylAttkisson.com... CP has gone so far down. More than I ever thought possible. Acefuck the bozos 23:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Speaking of “far”, anyone notice that they have an attack page on the far-left, but far-right is just a redirect to a paragraph on right wing politics? Sievert 81 (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Nobs' post-lost meltdown on MPR has been delicious to watch. No whackjob blog is too insane to be quoted as news. It's ALL China, ALL Epoch Times now. Honestly - CP under Obama was just Andy being jealous, because Obama was HLR President, now it's just going to be unbridled insanity, and their tears are going to be delicious. And ironically, their new target market still ignores them. How long until they go full QAnon? Oh, and I see Jack Dorsey is a "fascist leader" now. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Mike Pence (moved from Saloon Bar)
Conservapedia apparently hates Pence now. . Talk of the revolution eating its children... Meow (talk) 16:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If Trump resigned, things actually might have turned differently and in their favor. Anyway, what the hell happened to policy positions compared to simply upholding a result you don't like? 22:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Because their position now is Christian Fascism.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Now? It always was. Tuxer (talk) 11:58, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Weird thing is, couple of the damnatio memoriae were by Lord Schlafly himself. Meow (talk) 03:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Funny CP shit (moved from Saloon Bar)
I'm pretty new around here and have been laughing my ass off at various Conservapedia nonsense that has been well-documented by RW (thanks!). Just read the Lenski affair and oh my god, my sides hurt from laughing. Would anyone be kind enough to direct me to other such hysterical Conservapedia events? Kauri0.o (talk) 02:13, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Check the Q anon page and the 'Atheism and Alzheimer's disease' page. You will not be disappointed. Sievert 81 (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, dear god. "Secular Europe and communist China have significant problems with obesity", as if America's obesity rate isn't six times [1 ] that of China's. What fucking dribble xD Kauri0.o (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want to read about Conservapedia as opposed to actually reading Conservapedia, this is the place: Category:Conservapedia. Bongolian (talk) 08:12, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 4 or 5 years ago the Atheism and Obesity article was updated almost hourly, acting as a trunk with many branches, sub branches, leaves and acorns growing from it. I would estimate about 50-60,000 words are written on the subject(s), enough for a short novel. Having said that most articles were carbon copies of each other with little details changed here and there. The (country) and bestiality articles are interesting, many having more words than the articles on the countries themselves.--Mercian (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The Conservative Bible Project was pretty hilarious. These aren't events, but we got a whole page of Andy Schlafly's Greatest Inights. If you want to read how black holes are liberal conspiracy or how Obama not dancing proves he's a Muslim, that's page for you. Night Jaguar (talk) 22:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "Atheism and obesity" is such a howler, I've seen it mentioned in a published book (I believe Bullsh*t by John Grant) highlighting a ludicrous example of ad hominem. The book summed up that bilge of a page as "you're fat" playground insult. 22:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh my Goat that's one of my favorites! (Though I am more partial to Ken's very articulate /s essays clearly demonstrating his RationalWiki obsessive compulsive disorder and his regained obsession with our site.) -- Goatspeed. 06:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No - this is the best CP article...: https://conservapedia.com/Essay:_Ponies_vs._atheism_-_Ponies_win Acefuck the bozos 22:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Can't stop laughing. Someone help please. 22:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait CP lets you start page titles with spaces? JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 22:46, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Assfly's current behavior in a nutshell
-- Goatspeed. 05:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Andy owning up, educating himself on how to run a wiki, and listening to his community's advice


-- Goatspeed. 05:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Will mention this. Anna Livia (talk) 13:54, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Why would Andy need to do any of that? He knows everything. 18:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Apart from the joy at watching them use the same bad-faith disingenuous arguments they employ against us with each other, I don't actually see any of Andy's hand here. Is he commenting, is he trying to get the ship back in line, or is he asleep at the wheel - or am I just not seeing it? Semipenultimate (talk) 19:30, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Asleep at the wheel is my read. My favorite bit is nobs and Northwest tearing into each other for days on Andy's talkpage with no response from the man himself. 19:54, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Got it. Just let me know if you prefer Raisinettes or Milk Duds in your popcorn. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Andy is slumbering at the wheel. I'll bet that the fact his accountant hasn't yet told him about the annual server bills is the only reason CP's still alive. -- Goatspeed. 23:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

It's back
At least at the moment - but with a Main Page Lite.

An example of time travel here.

A wrong-flag operation here. Anna Livia (talk) 20:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

CP sysop infighting: Setback for Contardapedia! Will it help with the rapid secularization of Christian America? Gentlemen, I hate to do it, but on behalf of all of atheistdom I declare VICTORY!
Per Sievert's entry. -- Goatspeed. 05:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Nor has [Conservapedia] made any effort to recruit and train editors in a world where wiki editors are actually fewer in number than the average number of internet users." Is it me or is that Conservapedia maths at its finest? LondonGrump (talk) 16:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Andy points out they are trying to compile and educational encyclopedia. Junta for instance is a government ruled by a panel of un-elected military officers. The current US government is run by elected civilians. Andy to his credit has admonished Rob for his mistakes and reverted them. Oh wait.--Mercian (talk) 12:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Talk about 'stating the #### obvious' (but the sentence appears to have something omitted - should reference be to 'IQ scores' or 'CP wiki editors' wiki-technical experience'? I think normal US English and UK English are in agreement on grammatical usage here. Anna Livia (talk) 12:45, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Atheistdom had hoped that the atheist movement would be the Enola Gay of atheism and defeat Christendom and the religious. But that plane crashed an burned in 2011 before it could deliver a big bomb payload (see: Elevatorgate).


 * The growing religious Hispanic population in the USA is a bulwark against American secularism. "The relatively low fertility of secular Americans and the religiosity of the immigrant inflow provide a countervailing force that will cause the secularization process within the total population to plateau before 2043." - Journal for the Sientific Study of Religion, vol. 49, no. 2 (June) 2010, Eric Kaufmann, Vegard Skirbekk and Anne Goujon. On top of this, Europe's secular population will peak by 2050 or earlier and the world as a whole is becoming less irreligious as a percentage of the population.


 * As much as I hate to say it, the crew of the SS Atheism Americana will be in grave danger in the 21st century. Olé! Olé! Olé! DanB (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Talk about religious fundamentalism and stupidity. You can't even read properly. This clearly shows Belgium top in per capita deaths. Go away, get a basic education then we will talk. --Mercian (talk) 16:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


 * "Journal for the Sientific Study[...]" Lmao 🇰🇪, your inability to spell says it all. -- Goatspeed. 17:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ken has been spouting the whole "year 20somthing is THE WORST year for atheism. Yet religious belief continues to slide in the west (a trend mirrored worldwide) and despite Ken's near constant of a single study by Eric Kaufmann (a reference he relies on almost exclusively) he can make no predictions and just spouts the same nonsense over and over again. I made a prediction... I predicted before the NZ census was conducted that the NZ population citing "no religion" would increase and I predicted successfully. Ken has nothing. For all his "Operation Spill My Seed over vague promises likely to happen" he ain't got shit. What a sad pathetic man he is. Hey Ken, we are still waiting for the debate you tucked your tail into and cowardly bowed out of. To put it bluntly - Ken, you're a dumb fucking cunt. AceSimple Maze 05:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

RevertedPoor Ken, he comes here for a fight, gets taken down without a punch being thrown and retreats here Sorry Ken, your reign as CP's most deranged editor was lost to Rob Smith months ago, you will have to work very hard to regain the title. You should repeat your assassination of Rob like you did a few years back and see who Andy backs. I am not so sure it will be you this time.--Mercian (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the most deranged was that sheltered McCarthyite, Sinophobic homeskolled kiddie who quite ironically says he's from downtown Austin- home of the liberal atheist Chinese antifa spies he so fears. But then again, he was blocked by nobs for no reason whatsoever, so... -- Goatspeed. See my experiments My experiments Prototype lab  See what I'm planning  See my latest prototypes  See what I've been messing around with  Steal my ideas 05:54, 2 February 2021 (UTC)