Talk:Iblis

Would anyone mind if I move this to funspace — it's not really mainspace content.  Sam   Tally-ho!  05:12, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We could just remove the "fun" out of it it so it is mainspace.-- Mikal Harass  Follow 05:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be one hell of a tiny stub.  Sam   Tally-ho!  05:26, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Not an angel
In Islam, angels don't have free will-- "Shut up, Brx." 10:52, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Except that, to quote WP directly "However, according to other non-Quranic sources he was a "disobedient angel". As I said, it's confusing but then it would be, wouldn't it. Bad Faith (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's rely on non-Koranic sources to describe Islamic mythology. I would also suggest rewriting our article on Hindu religions to reflect certain Christian beliefs that the various deities are in fact demons sent to turn man from the word of God-- "Shut up, Brx." 12:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just follow the fucking link, arsehole. God you're such a pathetic little bore! Bad Faith (talk) 12:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * @Brx, there are tons of non-quranic but islamic sources, just like there are tons of non biblical and non torah sources for xinaity and Judaism. The source is good, as is the statement.[[Image:green mowse.png|25px]]Godot Be informed.  Vote.  13:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Rebellion
A Muslim buddy of mine has been walking me through the Qu'ran of late, and he maintains Iblis's rebellion against Allah began after Adam was created, which is a line of divergence from Moses and the Judeo-Christian recitations that Muhammad plagiarized. This article references Iblis's disobedience to God before the creation of Adam, which apparently did not take place. Can we get clarification on this? it evidently is a fundamental difference between Islam and its other monotheistic counterparts (in Christian doctrine, Man - as represented by Adam - was created to retake the earth from Satan and the fallen angels, who were cast out from God's presence, and fell to the earth; if the rebellion against god began after Adam was created, why the hell then did God create man?). nobsIt all depends what ISIS is. 03:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Why does God create several batches of sentient beings? Why does one of the old creations treat one of the newer ones with disrespect? Why does God think eternal damnation is such a just punishment? God knows. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 03:37, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * First, lonliness. Second, pride. Third, damnation is simply eternal banishment from God's presence (or God's love), a horrible fate. God, being the good guy that he is, can't have evil around him. nobsIt all depends what ISIS is. 05:00, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There's never any hint of why God created the world, let alone that He did it because He was lonely. And if evil can't exist in God's presence, how did he manage to personally rebuke the serpent in the Garden of Eden without destroying it? King Skeleton (talk) 10:56, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The war in heaven and Satan as a fallen angel isn't in Jewish tradition; Satan in Judaism is a servant of God who acts as an adversary, like the prosecution at a trial, and serves to test the faith of mortals. The Serpent in the garden of Eden was just a serpent.
 * And no, there's nothing about Adam being created to retake Earth from Satan in Christian doctrine. God's the one who's going to do that; why would an omnipotent being need to create troops to fight a non-omnipotent being He created Himself? That makes even less sense. King Skeleton (talk) 07:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What does God need with a starship? --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 17:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Why do you reply to two year old conversations? xD Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:11, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm just asking a question. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)