Talk:Marilyn Manson

Reversed unexplained edits
reverted the changes made to the article. the first draft was a throrough explanation of the relationship between the artistic & commercial output of the article's subject and organised religion/social conservatism. the subsequent edit stunted the article to the point where the main argument (i.e. Manson was in the front row of religious criticism before it became "fashionable") was untraceable. Looking for discussion EauDeCologne (talk) 08:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Alternative version

Maralyn Manson has had a hugely successful career pandering to adolescent "rebels" who like to annoy their parents by playing his music very loudly
 * Hey, I used to believe (back in the seventies) that the Grateful Dead were significant. Nah. Innocent Bystander (talk) 10:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It was fancruft, pure and simple. I cut the fat.  I don't think it's on mission as it is.  Maybe covering how people blame him for the deaths of their kids.-- "Shut up, Brx." 11:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OMG!!!!! I agreee with Bricks!!! Wrong universe error!!!! Innocent Bystander (talk) 12:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * "I'm not a slave, to a God that doesn't exist." Civic Cat Talk to Civic Cat 18:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good for you, Jack! 18:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Weaseloid. Been a while. Civic Cat Talk to Civic Cat 19:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Civic Cat. Welcome back.  19:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I suppose this article needs refereeing by RW superiors. I re-edited the article to a more diagnostic and informative version including cutting lots of information as well avoiding a possibly too approving POV compared to what i provided in my first draft and it was undone again. I'm not opposed to slant but my goal is to convey the significance of opposition to organised religion by mainstream figures appropriately and in proper context (brevity doesn't always equal wit) even if there is a aversion against the subject or his supporters.EauDeCologne (talk) 14:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We have no superiors; you're on your own, and will have to argue for your edits on their merits, or simply wear down the opposition by endlessly reverting them. Theory of Practice "Now we stand outcast and starving 'mid the wonders we have made." 17:40, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Nobody don't bother 17:44, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I Do Have A Goal-Oriented Point
So, I've been and will be expanding this article. Because I'm doing it in chunks, and over time, and am trying to be inclusive of info, it will take a little bit, but I plan on showing why Marilyn Manson is a good figure for rationality, sanity and reason. --PosthumanHeresy (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * aside from the 'bowling for columbine' bit I'm not sure Marilyn Manson is of much interest. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:03, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say the last thing mainspace needs is Mansonite fanboyism. If I bother myself to read your edit, I'm probably going to revert you.  Just a heads up.  Not that the article was particularly on-mission before.  I mean, he was a target of fundamentalists and "concerned mother" types in the 90's, but not enough that it deserves more than a footnote on another page, or perhaps just a stub article (when is a stub supposed to remain a stub, I wonder?)-- "Shut up, Brx." 13:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no interest in arguing, so I'm just going to present my case. Disinformation Speech Part 1 and Part 2. The time with Bill O'Reilly. Mothers Against Manson Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 and Part 4. Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher in 1997 with G. Gordon Liddy, Lakita Garth (who brings up the Culture war and we might want to consider having an article on) and Florence Henderson. Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher in 1998 with him, Pamela Anderson (Lee), former Secretary of Labor Professor Robert Reich and Cyndi Mosteller. And a Spooky Kids era one. I'd like people to watch those videos, because I know many, many people never really looked into what Manson says, and just have the "shock rocker" image of him. The Bowling For Columbine thing isn't unique in any way, shape or form, it's just the one that's most famous. And just something for some laughs. And not trying to fanboy, so yeah. If anything, I might be able to make it a bit more on-mission (which one can only know by watching that first cluster of videos). --PosthumanHeresy (talk) 19:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, and one more that makes some good points. It also shows some fundies attacking him.--PosthumanHeresy (talk) 19:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, and, well, doing a better article on Manson allows us to bring stuff like this up. --PosthumanHeresy (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Post-human Heresy's edits.
We are not a general purpose encyclopedia, and a long exegesis of this guy's career and why he wrote his second album and when he lost his virginity detracts from any explanation of why the article is relevant to what we do here. If you want to write a blow-by-blow of his life story, Wikipedia would be a better bet. Let my inspiration flow/In token lines suggesting rhythm. 00:19, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I get this, and I'm happy to receive constructive criticism. However, pretty much any article on a person has a bit of early life information. I'll gladly cut to the chase with the stuff from the videos above, which, if you would watch, you might understand my viewpoint, but slash-and-burn is irrational. And I don't mangle your username, so don't mangle mine. --PosthumanHeresy (talk) 00:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and mangle at will, I don't give a shit. No time to watch videos on obscure rockers. There's enough background info in the article as it is. And by playing the "But I Thought This Was RATIONALwiki" card, you're just setting yourself up for ridicule and scorn. Okay. Let my inspiration flow/In token lines suggesting rhythm. 00:29, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm so glad to know that you don't give a shit about quality, just having your way. If you're too apathetic to watch the videos and are so busy you can't try to open your mind even a centimeter, why not focus on something that is a better use of your oh-so-valuable time?--PosthumanHeresy (talk) 00:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I do give a shit about quality. That's why I'm fixing this article. So it sucks a little less. Let my inspiration flow/In token lines suggesting rhythm. 00:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I am actually trying to take your criticism and use it for something good, but I'm not going to just let you chop the article to bits. I'm about to save my latest edit, which actually shows a fundie governor trying to circumvent free speech laws because he is "not uplifting". That should be on-mission.--PosthumanHeresy (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Post Pale Emperor Interview
I am unsure we can do anything with this, but lets keep it close to hand. 07:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * We could use the pic of him and his dad because they're adorable. Sarcasm about how that's truly the face of the downfall of society? Yeah, I'm just in a snarky mood. --PosthumanHeresy (talk) 03:11, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Rammstein
It's noted that the Columbine shooters listened to them. Should we do an article on them? Rammstein listener asking... RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there more we can say about them that might have some controversy? 20:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)