Talk:Vagina steaming/Archive1

A whole bunch more benefits
I have the following Bajos formulas available: Menopause or Dry Vagina Formula- organic blue malva flowers, organic chamomile flowers and wild marshmallow leaf. Also available without chamomile flowers. Fibroid Formula-organic oregano, organic calendula, organic sage, organic basil. Traditional Formula- organic basil, organic oregano, organic calendula, organic yarrow and organic lemon balm. Traditional formula may change depending on herb availability. Endometriosis Formula- oregano, roses, yarrow, and calendula. (Monkey)
 * Yarrow- encourages menstruation
 * Motherwort- for suppressed menstruation
 * Lemon Balm-reduces itchiness
 * Calendula- skin healing, vaginal fungus, lymph, spiritual healing
 * Eucalyptus- cooling, wound healing, anti-fungal
 * Lavender- calms the mind and body and is antiseptic to the vaginal tissues, it also has phytoestrogens that plump the tissue and a cooling effect on inflammation
 * Blue Malva- soothing, dry vagina
 * Marshmallow- soothing, dry vagina

To answer later. 04:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Silver
What would this page need for silver? oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 23:31, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * To be polished to a state of fairly shining beauty, I guess - David Gerard (talk) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Anything more specific? :P FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 19:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * *cough* Cømrade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 23:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * man, I ain't got time for specifics right now ... but, um, STUFF! YES! Just plugged it (so to ahahaha speak) at the saloon bar - David Gerard (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Apparently mentioning Gwyneth pushed the article to page 2. Lovely. 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 23:27, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Removed studies
Putting here for possible future use, some for the "ingredients" section and other smaybe under a section "Why people steam".

Medicinal Plant Use by Surinamese Immigrants in Amsterdam, the Netherlands: Results of a Pilot Market Survey 

This article catalogs the plants commonly used by Surinamese immigrants in Amsterdam for medical purposes, with products primarily identified in a Surinamese herb warehouse.

Though plant matter was often in poor condition, it was often also labelled, and this helped identification. Plants identified as for use in vaginal steaming included the following: Anacardium occidentale, Xylopia discreta, Cordia curassavica, Terminalia amazonia, Terminalia catappa, Phyllanthus amarus, Campomanesia aromatica, Syzygium cumini, Piper arboreum, Piper marginatum, Scoparia dulcis, Siparuna guianensis, and Lantana camara.

The article notes that many of the plants used by Surinamese immigrants were for purely "magical" or ritualistic purposes.

The article mentions that vaginal steaming is often used by Surinamese immigrants to attempt to improve their sex life, and that vaginal steaming is often performed post-birth in order to "clean out" and contract the vagina, and that many "fresh smelling herbs" were added to attempt to remove odor.

Factors Impacting on the Menstrual Hygiene Among School-Going Asolescent Girls in Mongu District, Zambia 

This article studies the menstrual hygiene of school-going asolescent females in the Mongu District,of Zambia. The article mentions that, especially in developing countries, menstruating females are prevented from interacting in any way with other people, and are often required to wash the clothes they were wearing and they must clean themselves using a vaginal steam bath before re-joining the family.

The Medicinal Plant Trade in Suriname 

This article looks over the medical plant industry in Suriname, valued at $1.5 mil., and the importance of herbal medicine in Suriname.

Plants identified as for use in vaginal steaming included the following: Campomanesia aromatica, Siparuna guianensis, Vismia guianensis, and Parkia pendula.

The article mentioned that one of the main reasons that the herb trade is so profitable in Suriname is that many females, of all ethnicities, use vaginal steaming after giving birth and to tighten the vagina.

Medicinal plants for women's and children's health in urban and rural areas of Gabon 

This article studies herbal remedies in rural Gabon. The article mentions that, while topics such as abortion, HIV/AIDS, and sexually transmitted infections caused discomfort, discussion of vaginal steam baths and other vaginal cleansing methods very rarely caused discomfort.

Problematizing pollution: Dirty wombs, ritual pollution, and pathological processes 

This article explores the ideas of ritual impurity of the vagina and mentions vaginal steaming. Unfortunately, any interesting relevant information is not in the abstract, though presumably vaginal steaming may factor into ritual purity practices.

An investigation of douching practices in the botánicas of the Bronx 

This article interviews 15 people in the Bronx, 14 of whom own botanicas, and 10 of whom are female. The article explores the reasons behind douching, and the abstract notes that "douching was not easily separated from the more holistic concerns of botánica customers involving health, well‐being and spirituality." The abstract stats that "A variety of products were used in the vagina in the form of creams, douches, suppositories, baths and herbal steaming of the urogenital area." Unfortunately, any additional interesting relevant information is not in the abstract.

Why Surinamese migrants in the Netherlands continue to use medicinal herbs from their home country 

Researchers interviewed 210 individuals to attempt to determine why more than 75% of Surinamese immigrants continued to use medicinal herbs from Suriname.

This article mentions that 39% of respondents said that they used herbs mainly for health promotion, 27% used herbs for disease prevention, and 27% used herbs for disease cures. Many respondents claimed that herbs were more effective and had fewer side effects than conventional therapies. Unofortunately, this is, again, a self-reported study. This article mentions that spiritual baths were the most popular practice, and that the Surinamese winti belief strongly influenced plant use.

Bathe the baby to make it strong and healthy: Plant use and child care among Saramaccan Maroons in Suriname 

This article notes that child care is often associated with magical connotations and mentions vaginal steaming. Unfortunately, any relevant information is not in the abstract.

A Qualitative Study on Urut Melayu: The Traditional Malay Massage 

This article studies the urut Melayu massage technique and mentions vaginal steaming. Unfortunately, any relevant information is not in the abstract.

Rama midwifery in eastern Nicaragua 

This article studies midwifery in eastern Nicaragua and mentions vaginal steaming. Unfortunately, any relevant information is not in the abstract.

Midwife training programs in highland Guatemala 

This article studies the impacts of a government-sponsored midwife training program in Guatemala and reasons why it has caused some conflict. The article mentions vaginal steaming. Unfortunately, any relevant information is not in the abstract.

'''This plant treats that illness? The hot–cold system and therapeutic procedures mediate medicinal plant use in San Miguel Tulancingo, Oaxaca, Mexico '''

This article studies the medicine of the Chocholtecs, and notes the system of "hot" and "cold" diseases and cures that informs their medicine. The article mentions vaginal steaming. Unfortunately, any relevant information is not in the abstract.

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Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 00:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Self-cleaning vaginas
A theory put forward by an olfactory impaired and supporter of circumcision on the grounds of "hygene".145.64.134.245 (talk)
 * And also by all credible MDs. Note how we have a section on "smell"? Read that section. 14:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Cover time yet?
Anything we need before proposing this fine article for gold? I see one citation needed, that's about the only substantive problem. Intro could do with snappiness. Anything else it needs? - David Gerard (talk) 11:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I recall FCP saying he never wanted this article to reach front page... IIRC for the same reason he doesn't want Shakespeare authorship to reach front page, either.
 * I, on the other hand, support the effort towards Gold-ing both articles.
 * I agree that the summary needs to be tightened (and expanded). Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:57, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * *shrug* Both have different tones than RW generally does. From the titles this one sounds a bit perverted and the other sounds a bit boring (sorry RBP). I don't really care either way, however. 17:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the best available article on the topic anywhere. Even Wikipedia doesn't have this one - David Gerard (talk) 00:14, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:18, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Final position on this: *shrug* 02:28, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for not standing in the way, Old Timer. We'll bring her in nicely. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 06:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Minor rename before covering? Problem solved lads!
I really think the article sould be named "vaginal steaming", not "vagina steaming". "Vagina steaming" sounds like Yoda talking in his backwards manner, or like some kind of messed up Japanese name-and-surname combo. VaginaL steaming, on the other hand, sounds like the technobabble pseudoscience that this actually is. Obviously, all mentions of "vagina steaming" should be changed to "vaginal steaming" in the text as well. I can take care of that. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Originally changed b/c at the time vagina was more common (https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=vaginal%20steaming,chai%20yok,vaginal%20steam%20bath,vagina%20steaming,yoni%20steam) -- but vaginal has really taken off in recent years. pls don't misread this 13:26, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * More common, but grammatically less good and horribly clunky. 109.204.116.189 (talk) (Sophie) 14:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC) (PS - my captcha for this was "the cat lady" - you got me bang to rights, captcha.)


 * the Google Trends are much of a muchness and all over the place. I'd say leave it where it is for now - David Gerard (talk) 09:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * We'll keep "vagina steaming" as a redirect and mention it among the alternative names in the intro. Deal? C'mon David! Even FCP says "vaginal" has taken off (probably because that's the grammatically correct spelling). "Vagina steaming" sounds like "how is babby formed". Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:21, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * there's nothing grammatically wrong with "vagina steaming", what are you talking about - David Gerard (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think "vagina steaming" misleadingly appears less clunky because the word "vagina" happens to end with the letter "a". Let's make a comparison. Let's take a word from the same class of words, but which doesn't end on an "a". Let's take "femur". Now consider the following: "femur steaming" versus "femural steaming". Or the word "cranium". "Cranium steaming" versus "cranial steaming". It seems to be obvious that the proper terminology is "vaginal steaming", not "vagina steaming". Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:34, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Grammatical pareidolia - you're seeing a rule where there isn't one. Trust me as a native speaker - David Gerard (talk) 17:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, David — I trust you as a native speaker. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 20:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Only downside to renaming is that for 1-2 months afterward the article will have reduced SEO. (It's what happened when I originally renamed it.) Oh, and the significance of that is that it's in the 11-15 range for nonpersonalized results -- on the bubble between "page 2" (few views) and "page 1" (which I believe gets >95% of all views). 19:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Honestly, we should just get it right in the first place. Let's change it to the proper term and be done with it. We have the only article on it — we're not going to drop as a search result over time. Also, according to this, it would appear that "vaginal steaming" is now beating "vagina steaming", and that "vaginal steaming herbs" is a higher ranked search than "vagina steaming"? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know where you're even getting this stuff about "the proper term" and "the grammatically correct spelling" from. Noun+gerund is an extremely common grammar formation in English.  Examples in subjects we cover include ear candling, horse whispering, tobacco smoking, fear mongering, concern trolling, etc.  Most of which would be extremely "clunky" were you to transpose them to adjective+gerund (auricular candling, equine whispering, whatever the adjectival form of tobacco is, etc).  15:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ^ This. Plus, vaginal steaming sounds a bit like "using one's vagina to eject steam on something" which is not exactly what this article is about.--JorisEnter (talk) 16:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Though I wish his tone was a bit less salty, Weaseloid is clearly in the right. Now, I'm not a native speaker, and I'm only doing the best I can. What I was striving for is a "grammatically normal" article title, and as Weasel has demonstrated above, it already is. Thus, no need for a renaming. Thanks for taking the time to explain, anyways. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 20:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Per Weaseloid, it's perfectly grammatical in English. This is where you've learnt too many rules that native speakers don't actually bother with. There is absolutely nothing wrong grammatically with titling it "Vagina steaming" - David Gerard (talk) 17:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I concur. Thanks, Old Timer. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 20:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I vote Vagina steaming without the l. I am not the Ombud's man 18:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Count me in. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 20:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * - 21:30, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

As an aside
This page got more action from grammatical squabbles than from anything else in its 2yr existence. Stay woke, humanity. ;) 21:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm proud to have made a difference with my (in retrospect, incorrect) petition! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 21:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Question
What is the equivalent for chaps? ('Wide eyed innocence.') 82.44.143.26 (talk) 13:51, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Nut roasting. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds painful. Would a bucket with some very hot water in the bottom and 'scent of choice' provide the same effect? (whatever your persuasion is) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:28, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you have to imbue it with positive life energies first. 19:05, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * So you take the bucket into the garden on the night of the equinox/solstice/full moon, with some of the #correct candles# and wait five minutes. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:49, 26 September 2016 (UTC)