Talk:Vladimir Putin

Why do so many Libertarian's love Vladimir Putin
I've seen a lot of Libertarians (American ones of course) show a lot of support for Vladimir Putin. Why is that? how is Putin libertarian in any way from their point of view? &mdash; Unsigned, by: 2601:201:8101:e5e0:4c83:e3c2:5abf:b6ed / talk
 * There is a strain of Libertarianism that crosses over to fascism: Libertaryanism. Bongolian (talk) 07:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There's a serious libertarian-to-fascism pipeline. I'd make a joke about "gateway politics," but that'd seem a little tasteless... Vee (talk) 17:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

"Special military operation"
While this article (rightfully) calls out Putin on this Newspeak bullshit, it should be remembered that Putin is merely following precedent laid out by the United States. A legal declaration of war was never declared for Iraq nor Afghanistan. Instead they were "special military operations." So it is rich for entities guilty of the same euphemistic horseshit to turn around and declare they have the moral high ground here when they really don't. Vee (talk) 14:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Creating a funspace article
Would it be possible to create a funspace counterpart article for Putin? There's a lot to add in there, like comparing Putin to dobby, or various jokes and artwork mocking Putin. Rational Dude (talk) 06:28, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A mention of his previous incarnation should be included; and this is dotty enough to mention. Anna Livia (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

I see. Would it be acceptable to at least add a reference to dobby the elf to mock Putin?

For context, it began as an insult from Boris Johnson and some Russian lawyers to mock Putin, but (as is the case with Xi Jinping with Winnie the Pooh and Gollum with Erdogan) the joke became an offensive insult in Russia and was outlawed. Rational Dude (talk) 02:29, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

ICC warrant
Should some mention be made of this? Anna Livia (talk) 17:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Vladimir Putin has a Nuclear Weapons deal with Belarus
https://apnews.com/article/russia-belarus-nuclear-weapons-2d9584534da25c00c56dbf7b14694e0e

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-moscow-has-deal-with-belarus-station-nuclear-weapons-there-tass-2023-03-25/

Update there are reports that Putin had agreed to a Nuclear Weapons deal in Belarus. This plays into the WMD issue in Russia and will escalate the War Crimes issue in Russia.67.180.47.171 (talk) 19:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-moscow-has-deal-with-belarus-station-nuclear-weapons-there-tass-2023-03-25/

Here is more fallout on the Putin deal in Belarus.2601:640:C682:8870:2862:F97A:B92D:F31D (talk) 00:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-belarus-tactical-nuclear-weapons-3aed32661ae3c218c59117d1ce593777?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=RelatedStories&utm_campaign=position_01

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-security-chief-says-basing-russian-nuclear-weapons-belarus-will-2023-03-26/

Update NATO and Ukraine have issued a response over the Nuclear Weapons deal between Belarus and Russia as of March 2023.2601:640:C682:8870:6CFE:989E:B535:E6B1 (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Communist category
Putin has the communist category because he adhered to the ideology in the past. It doesn't necessarily reflect his modern views. It's like how andrew tate is classified as an atheist and a christian in his article because he was one of them before his conversion to islam. Rational Dude (talk) 14:50, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Mussolini was once a socialist, but his article does not use the Socialists category. A major part of Putin's political career has been an extreme conservative based on statist/nationalist that has nothing to do with socialism. Umaru16 (talk) 12:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I know people that still think Russia is socialist. Carthage (talk) 13:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Putin was a member of the soviet/russian communist party in the past, and the article mentions several times how he admires russian communism. Rational Dude (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In the past, he definitely was a part of the communist party, but these days, Putin and his associated parties like United Russia are never described as communist, instead they are described as nationalist. What leans me into saying that the tag should be kept is that United Russia and the old Communist Party of the Soviet Union are quite linked together, in more ways than just Putin. To me, such is just further proof that in practice "communism as implemented" often degenerated into state capitalism and totalitarianism. It's therefore not problematic to label Putin as "communist" simply because he is a totalitarian nationalist, far away from the ideas of Lenin. That also describes the CPSU. BobJohnson (talk) 18:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Can someone please re-add it back? Rational Dude (talk) 19:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That is primarily the perception in the United States and the United Kingdom. Even anti-communists in South Korea do not believe he is ideologically a socialist. United Russia is a conservative party. Umaru16 (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to Kim Jong-un or Xi Jinping using the Communists category for their articles, even though their actual policies are not communist at all. But I'm against using the Communists category in Putin's article. Putin opposes atheism, describes himself as a conservative, advocates Soviet patriotism but opposes the communist system. Putin admires, who was also a communist in the late 1940s. But no one links Park's (right-wing) reign to communism. Umaru16 (talk) 21:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Putin is honestly a bit of a difficult case here. He has spoken favorably of the communism of old (as you would expect a fascist appealing to traditionalism to, but there is also some genuine sympathy towards the system of the good old days). But he has also criticized Lenin. I do lean towards keeping the label on the grounds that, IMHO, Putin has more in common with other supposed "communist" tyrants than Joseph Stalin than not, there are many links between the old "communist" parties and United Russia / Putin / etc., and Putin was involved with the CPSU at one point. But Putin has evolved in a more explicitly neo-fascist manner, and there are some major differences (such as an embrace of traditionalism, including religion, and showy masculinity) between Ruscism and the CPSU as well. So... my advocacy isn't exactly "hard yes", it's more of a "lean". If more people think Putin doesn't qualify for the label then not, okay.
 * Strange though why "communists" was deleted and "tankies" wasn't. Make up your mind, category modifiers! :p BobJohnson (talk) 22:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No, Putin is not a communist and therefore shouldn’t have the category. Having the category implies that Putin is currently a communist due to the lack of the word “former” 21:33, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Then why does the article bring up his nostalgia for Soviet communism? And should we removed categories from articles of people who also formerly adhered to ideologies they left? Rational Dude (talk) 21:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That's why we have the "leftists who turned right with age" and "rightists who turned left with age" categories. Carthage (talk) 21:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * At least keep it there for the reason that he was one in the past. Are you going to remove the category of atheists and christians from andrew tate? Rational Dude (talk) 22:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, those categories shouldn't have been there in the first place. Good catch. Plutocow (talk) 22:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But at the very least, the past ideologies people adhered to should be mentioned in their articles. Rational Dude (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)