RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive133

2friedeggs (again)
2friedeggs was just unilaterally permabanned by due to recent incivility and subsequent block evasion using sockpuppets. To be honest, I think this was a fair move in practice, but an illegal one according to policy, as such I'm bringing this matter here. I would move to endorse a permaban because this is getting ridiculous. 71.208.x.x (talk) 18:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel completely humiliated. No one here is held to the same standards. Cosmik is being paranoid and banning new accounts. 6friedeggs is not even me and I don't want to be associated with 4chan speak. Is this what happens when you tell off the wrong person?--2friedeggs (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * My actions speak for themselves. I'm tried of the harassment, spamming, useless drama, edit warring, "10 fried eggs isn't even me," and nonsensical childish bullshit. I did a nine hour cooling off block on the original offender after stirring up a lot of drama and edit warring, then it turned into a complete shitfest, with the user then pleading to be permabanned. YWIMC. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 18:15, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Dude I accused you of being childish and here you are calling me childish suddenly, funny how that works isn't it? I would've just taken the permaban out of complete exhaustion if you didn't victimize yourself and claim to be harassed after acting like a kiwifarmer. 6friedeggs is not me. If you wanna peddle that story fine. Do it. I guess I angered a particularly unscrupulous person this time. At least GC had standards. I'm not even touching someone like this. I hope you made that alt in shame.--2friedeggs (talk) 18:17, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What in the fuck are you babbling about? —cosmikdebris
 * You, you disrespectful little hypocrite--2friedeggs (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

talk stalk 18:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Can we have some links that demonstrate the accusations? Also has 2friedeggs claimed more than 3friedeggs as sockpuppets? If not, is there evidence that they are 2friedeggs? Bongolian (talk) 18:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 4, 5 and pringle are me. I just outright had this fact on 4's talk page, 5 and pringle we're made bc I had no way to protest the ban. Anyone else you are worried about?--2friedeggs (talk) 18:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 6 is also you be deduction. Bongolian (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nope. Not me. The minute I saw that one was when I realized who I was dealing with. Don't associate me with 4chan speak.--2friedeggs (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So 4friedeggs and 6friedeggs made the same edit but are not the same person? Also, though Cosmikdebris did permaban you, it seems that he did not remove your ability to edit talk pages. Creating socks rather than complaining on the moderator talk page (RationalWiki talk:All things in moderation) was absolutely the wrong approach. Bongolian (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not 6. You should've seen my face when I saw it in the recent edits. 4 was existing before this spat. 5 was purely reactive. Pringle is another alias of mine over the net. I can accept responsibility for those mistakes but my complaint is the fact that I do this while I watched someone effectively attempt to impersonate me, possibly successfully if this coop was not made. Did he really allow me to keep editing talk pages? Cause if so that is an rather embarrassing mistake I made. Worth a permaban? Doubtful imo but we're here now aren't we?--2friedeggs (talk) 18:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I think it doesn't matter so much which is the case with 6friedeggs, which popped up a short bit after the rest. It was the other accounts which were banned by cosmikdebris in particular, who obviously focused on the behavior of said earlier accounts. A narrative to bring doubt focused on 6friedeggs is a distraction from that. Personally, I second 71.208.x.x regarding this whole thing. cosmikdebris also mentioned that friedeggs seemed to want to be banned upon further disagreement (but it may just have been the acting out of the moment). --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not a distraction and I don't appreciate a barely-here account suddenly popping up using whatever I say against me. I do feel like someone was attempting to impersonate me that time. If you wanna minimize this then I want a reason. In your current one, Hanlon's Razor
 * I do not want to be perma'd now that I realized he didn't cut me off from the site fully but would likely accept it at this point because you can't fight people who are willing to use whatever you say against you--2friedeggs (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to accept that 6 was a troll, not a sock. I have yet to see any evidence presented, so I'm withholding judgment so far. Bongolian (talk) 19:27, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well good luck with that my theories are it's either someone angry with me or just the guy who keeps making alts insulting more well-known editors. Calling it right now though: Once people realize it's not me they'll call it a distraction again despite the fact I know I've been basically screwed since Shabidoo told me to screw off months ago--2friedeggs (talk) 19:46, 25 July 2022
 * Being annoying is evidence of something, but so far we just know that some are annoyed. Ariel31459 (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well that explains a lot of why people are making up conflicts then blaming it on me. "Being annoying" isn't a bannable offense but "reverting all the edits he makes then blaming him for the edit ears I start" takes care of that issue. Y'all are petty.--2friedeggs (talk) 19:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

The "I don't want to be associated with 4chan speak." above seems disingenuous when you have used coopted-4chan speak ("feels bad, man", Alt-right glossary) on your sock's home page (User:Aboxofpringles). Bongolian (talk) 20:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of this. What a shame. (Correction: I was a little but I'm at the point where internet terminology is becoming blurry to me and this refreshed my memory. I associated this more with wojaks and I saw those on reddit and general meme sites too) I wish things weren't so hijacked from them. I was there when pepe was popular on Tumblr. I don't like 4chan because I don't like the alt right. They take everything.

My point though is this: if I'm at the point where everything I say is being used against me why am I still even here? That's seriously what it feels like sometimes. I do believe that if things are really at this point it's best I just do something else with my time, ban or not. It's not fun having people revert everything I do then when I contest it get accused of starting the edit ears they started.--2friedeggs (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm still withholding judgment. As far as I'm concerned, if no one wants to present evidence, then there's no coop case and you'll be unblocked. Bongolian (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah the things is though I still made 4 and 5 and sent Cosmic angry messages on those and some ips and regardless of how I feel I'm being treated I still ban evaded. Pringle also exists. I actually intended that one to start over seeing as no one knew my other names at the time and it looked like I was going to stay banned. I'm not claiming to not have blood on my hands.--2friedeggs (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's just an impersonator. I don't think any further action should be taken and discussion should move from this to general conduct of 2friedeggs. 00:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing here seems like a big deal to me. 03:31, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Incident duly noted. Cosmik did the right thing as far as I'm concerned. Don't think this time any further consequences should be taken on 2friedeggs, next time he's in the coop, my patience has hit it's limit however. We aren't gonna burninate half the sites editorbase over a single editor. Remember that being annoying once is just a coincidence, but this user has 2 outstanding IBANs already specifically due to constant bad faith engagement/hassling editors over petty shit. -- Techpriest (talk) 17:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

"He's annoying"
Ariel brought this up to me. Realizing all the general edit ears started against me, then blamed on me, all the insults hurled at me but forgotten, the general policing of every little thing I do that others get away with, just the fact that I'm not held to the same standards is because of this simple fact. "He's annoying"

You all should've just banned me from the start. No made up reason like "harassment" or "edit warring". You can't just take someone's lunch then accuse them of being stealing. That's what happened almost every single one of these incidents. What a complete joke the last few coops and ATIMs were. Being annoyed happens. Treating someone different or bullying someone because you're annoyed is scummy. If you think otherwise go outside and see where that gets you.--2friedeggs (talk) 20:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that you repeatedly bring up other people but your issue here is your combativeness and your rantiness on the general state of the site and whatnot. You're not persuasive. 00:51, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Who else is consistently accusing a multitude of usually-uncontroversial editors of starting edit wars with them? 2friedeggs is either a troll or completely lacks self-awareness. If everyone else is always the problem, maybe the problem isn't everyone else. Kauri0.o (talk) 03:16, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Neither of you seem to be empathizing with generally how irritating it is to have everything of yours reverted and I don't really want to be hearing this from Kaurio who did this deliberately because he thinks he owns the Incels page. Accusing someone of having a lack of self awareness after they already accept responsibility for things is downright dishonest and you know both what you're doing and that what I am saying is consistent with this site's reputation. When everyone wants someone gone from **anywhere* but no one wants to say it, they collectively look for reasons to get rid of them in a non-conspiratorial manner. Dismissing how it looks like to me by calling me a troll or claiming I lack self-awareness is basically just gaslighting.--2friedeggs (talk) 03:28, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Out of my 10+ years editing wikis, even as an angsty teenager, I've never had my edits constantly reverted. I sometimes have to explain stuff and I been in long-drawn debates about whenever Rocky Wrench is a Monty Mole or a Koopa, and I do sometimes get a little peeved some of my edits are reverted but I mean, you think I don't experience people reverting my edits?  03:40, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Look. Gnosticism was a dead horse until right after I started reverting Incels. You literally went to every talk page I was on since this started and called my talks a waste of time. You are nothing but a belittler and a minimizer.

What I'm saying is "If everyone wants me gone then fine. But if you think I'm going to leave without trying to get an honest reason you've got another thing coming" because at least Pluto and GC had integrity.--2friedeggs (talk) 03:45, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You poor thing, how frustrating it must be that I keep reverting a garbage edit by someone else. My heart goes out to you.
 * I have reverted two edits in the last 500 logs of the page. One of them I reinstated myself. I have no interest in claiming ownership of the page, and wished others would contribute more. Kauri0.o (talk) 03:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Imagine expressing pity but then calling their edits garbage. Take a hike and swallow it.--2friedeggs (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, about gnosticism: After seeing the garbage edit you tried to make on incel, I figured it's standard practice to go to your user's contributions page and review each of you recent edits, in case you were posting dogshit elsewhere on the site. Most of them were fine so I did not change anything, but in my opinion the edits to gnosticism are not justified. Don't take it personally. Kauri0.o (talk) 03:52, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Imagine interpreting such pity as sincere. Kauri0.o (talk) 03:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Imagine telling someone not to take something personally but calling their edits garbage and dogshit. You're doing nothing but riling people up because you know you can get away with it at this point

Also why is that edit dogshit? Stay on the talk page and stop being a hypocrite you ableist little instigator--2friedeggs (talk) 04:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So, I take it you two know each other.Ariel31459 (talk) 04:26, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've never seen Kaurio until this soat specifically and after he at least sourced his drivel I stopped caring. If this guy has a bone to pick with me it's because I was reverting his rewrite weeks ago.--2friedeggs (talk) 04:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We are not here for your or anyone else's vague ("Some ideas", "Many ideas") and unsubstantiated or poorly substantiated claims (e.g., the whole of an 844 page book, The Nag Hammadi Scriptures, with neither quote nor page number). If you want an edit to stay on a mainspace page: be specific or give a good and specific citation. It's that simple. Bongolian (talk) 04:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If you actually believe that bring it up on the talk page, not the coop. you know full well no one else is held to Wikipedia level standards here, stop picking apart every little edit I make. If two doesn't satisfy you and he starts edit warring again I'll put triple, all for you and Kaurio. All you're doing is proving my point to myself. I said I'll add more edits if I had to because I even added another you conveniently didn't mention.--2friedeggs (talk) 05:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I've made similar statements multiple times before but not to you. 2) You're the one who brought up the gnosticism edits in the coop, so after requesting evidence of misbehavior but not receiving any, I looked at the edits and said what was wrong with them. It's not punishment-worthy, but rather what you should expect for making such types of edits. Bongolian (talk) 06:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough but at this point I'd rather keep gnosticism matters to gnosticism and my reply to your and Kauri's (is it Kauri or Kaurio?) objections to it is there if you want to talk further about it.--2friedeggs (talk) 06:18, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Iban vio alert
2friedeggs violated their iban here by referencing their ibanned users. Make use of this information if you desire. Andrew5 mobile (talk) 11:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So after Bongolian decides I'll likely be unblocked someone decides to come on and stretch the definition of an "interaction ban". What a joke. I'm not interacting with them. They are not an unperson to me. I just mentioned I got in trouble for crap they got away with routinely. I point this out and suddenly I'm in trouble for more nonsense? The former was in my last coop.


 * Stop beating this dead horse of a coop. Edit: Checked the page on ibans and I guess you really can't reference people. Amazing. Guess you're going to get what you want.--2friedeggs (talk) 11:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It does say, Reference them anywhere on RationalWiki, directly or indirectly. Andrew5 mobile (talk) 13:21, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey want it mentioned a third time? I don't think you rubbed it in deep enough you gotta get it reeeeallly soaked in. This coop is still a dead horse regardless of whether you get what you want.--2friedeggs (talk) 14:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Propose to close
I think that this coop has run its course. I propose closing the coop, and 2friedeggs shall remain unblocked. If anyone objects, post here. Bongolian (talk) 17:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with archiving this one. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 17:58, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Neutral. Andrew5 mobile (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm expecting 2friedeggs to run into more trouble in the future but maybe they'll surprise me. 21:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You said that about TransChicken and…nothing happened. Andrew5 mobile (talk) 21:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fine by me Kauri0.o (talk) 21:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)