Talk:Blaming the victim

Republican blames Democrats for being attacked
... former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, told a press conference in Atlanta two weeks ago, "I think the Democratic leadership has to take some moral responsibility for having behaved with such arrogance, in such a hostile way, that the American people are deeply upset," in responding to questions about the reported attack on Democratic lawmakers, after health care reform passed. From here Original story 23:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Goes here? Or under Rape? Or FSTDT?
This. Also, I notice a lack of connection between this article and the Rape article. Open to comments. -- Seth Peck (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say it's more "blaming the victim" than Denial of the victim (which admittedly, I don't understand). [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot   Dear god, fucking grow up 22:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So now that that's been sorted out, what to do with this link? -- Seth Peck (talk) 22:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It should go here as an example. along with anything we have on the police comments that initiated slutwallk.  Sorry to cause such confusions. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    Dear god, fucking grow up 22:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Blaming the victim or re-write
I'm very confused how this is not "blaming the victim". If this is distinct, perhaps someone who understands it better than I do, could rewrite it. Otherwise, I think it's worth just redirecting to BTV.Godot   Dear god, fucking grow up 22:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Click your link to "Blaming the Victim". -- Seth Peck (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I rode the short bus to school. can you tell.  :-)  But "blaming the victim" needs to be the primairy article, as it's what the concept is most often called.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    Dear god, fucking grow up 22:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

So I'd like to add some stuff
Mainly how victim-blaming is related to Historian's fallacy (or hindsight bias?) and these two studies:

-[http://hindsightbiasinvictimblaming.wordpress.com/about/ Janoff-Bulman, R., Timko, C., Carli, L. (1985). Cognitive Biases in Blaming the Victim. Journal of experimental social psychology, 21(2), 161-177.]

-Cognitive Reconstruction, Hindsight, and Reactions to Victims and Perpetrators

Also I've found a book (Crime Victims: An Introduction to Victimology), and it goes into a good detail about victim-blaming. Who can I discuss this with? &mdash; Unsigned, by: Shadow Nirvana / talk / contribs
 * Best way is to add your stuff and see what/who chips in. Scream!! (talk) 10:20, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like good content and high quality sources, I say go for it --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 11:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If the vast bulk of Criticism (apparently using only Janoff-Bulman as a source) is your addition, please respond to the section below this one. Cross-posting to your page as well, as soon as I finish writing this sentence. 73.35.177.173 (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Criticism section?
I don't understand the first few sentences of the criticism section. It appears to be defending blaming the victim? English isn't my native Language so sorry if this is my fault. 66.249.93.252 (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not just you, and it's not a language barrier. Practically the whole section (all but the last two sentences) appears designed to mock victims who think that the perpetrator is solely at fault, and encourage victims to blame themselves. One of the more grotesque examples is the claim that if victims blame themselves by thinking their behavior caused it, that's healthy. If anyone has a rational defense (not "I'm just repeating what a source says", an actual defense) of why this section belongs to "Blaming the victim" as opposed to "In defense of blaming the victim", it needs to be brought forward immediately. 73.35.177.173 (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Clarification: Can anyone offer a rational defense of why an argument that it's good and proper for victims to blame themselves is longer than the main entry? 73.35.177.173 (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Condensed "Criticism" sharply so that the article goes back to being primarily about victim-blaming rather than why it's a good thing. Also renamed to "Apologia" to reflect that these arguments are defenses of victim-blaming, not criticism of it. 73.35.177.173 (talk) 12:10, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This was taken out. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)