Talk:Paul Elam

Move to A Voice for Men
I suggest making this an article about AVFM rather than having separate articles for the contributors. Otherwise, there will be a lot of repeated effort. Also, Inquisitor, try not to use language that paints us as over-excited 15-year-olds.--ZooGuard (talk) 15:58, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Second making this page a redirect to the website article. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.silverbrain.png 16:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * EC – I'll try. ;) I agree that AVFM material should be separate, but I think this fuck should get his own article, if for no other reason than to give him a taste of his own medicine. He's a dox posting sociopath who tries to ruin the lives of young girls and expose them to rapists with his bullshit registry. I want his prospective employers to see this shit when they look him up. I never publish dox, but God help you if you ever dox anyone; my doxxing policies are off. I would no oppose making it a felony. –Aleksandr Ehrenstein ЯR So you think opposing Nazis is tilting at windmills? 16:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that this guy seems like a less-than-stellar example of a human being (...I've never heard of him aside from this); just remember, this website is a collaborative venture with guidelines that may be at variance with your own personal "doxxing policies." Advice: You don't have to be objective, but do try to be a little more dispassionate. It will make things easier. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.silverbrain.png 16:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Good advice. I'll make sure to remember that this is everyone's collaborative project. –Aleksandr Ehrenstein ЯR So you think opposing Nazis is tilting at windmills? 16:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

General write up on A Voice for Men
There doesn't seem to be too much enthusiasm for moving from Elam to AVfM but a general write up on AVfM here could fit with the format of the article (i.e. AVfM, Register-Her, WhiteRibbon.org as projects of Elam). Could focus on ideas promoted by the article and previous writers (like Warren Farrell and Christina Hoff Summers) --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 14:35, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Given that he's a dox posting sociopath
Can we put his home address in the article? If you're concerned that it could put him in danger, consider that he's done the same to many young girls. –Aleksandr Ehrenstein ЯR So you think opposing Nazis is tilting at windmills? 16:18, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No. This is not your wiki. Even dedicated anti-MRA sites don't do that.
 * And you really need to dial down that Punisher mentality.--ZooGuard (talk) 16:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No IE, you awful, awful person.  16:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've had time to calm down about this. It was intended mostly as a joke, though obviously not a funny one.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Just because this fuck might be a sociopath doesn't mean we should act like him.  –Aleksandr Ehrenstein ЯR So you think opposing Nazis is tilting at windmills? 18:39, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I should also point out that I sit on top of a massive pile of dox, including of people who have committed some fairly vicious trolling against my friends. I keep it to myself.  I would never think seriously about releasing them.  For those who think I don't control myself.  –Aleksandr Ehrenstein ЯR So you think opposing Nazis is tilting at windmills? 18:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And yet you do talk about wanting to dox people quite a lot. Knock it off.  19:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Paul Elam's Threat to Women
Putting this here as it may be useful for future expansion: --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 13:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * fuck. seriously? I need a shower.One tin soldier (talk) 14:09, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's depressing that so many people subscribe to his views. Going to post some more possible sources in case we do a write up of the conference. I'm not really sure if it's that important but if something controversial happens they may be useful --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 15:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Elam warns: "ANYONE sitting around trash-talking women, men, making violent statements, even jokingly, will be brought to the attention of security who will issue ONE warning (or less). After that, they will be directed by security to leave. There are no exceptions." --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Another possible link --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Press Conference
Inside the First International Conference on Men's Issues

Day One
First International Conference on Men’s Issues: Day 1 *

Men’s rights conference takes aim at feminism *

I was molested at the Men’s Rights Conference

8 ugly observations about conference on men’s rights in metro Detroit

Day Two
First International Conference on Men’s Issues: Day 2

[http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/29/sparsely-attended-mens-rights-soiree-arrives-at-source-of-their-problems-hint-its-women/ Sparsely attended ‘men’s rights’ soirée arrives at source of their problems. Hint: It’s women] *

Aftermath
Fox News decides there’s a ‘feminist war’ on men’s rights after protest in Detroit

Men’s rights activists, gathering to discuss all the ways society has done them wrong *

What I Learned as a Woman at a Men’s Rights Conference *

[http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/07/01/men_s_rights_conference_the_first_international_conference_on_men_s_issues.html The First "Men's Issues" Conference Makes a Good Point. And a Lot of Bad Ones]

The one where I need help understanding why MRAs don’t become feminists

Responses from Paul Elam
An Amazing, Amazing Conference by Any Standard, Even With the Stink of Jessica Roy in the Air

With A Voice for Men’s conference over, Paul Elam has found a new woman to hate

Unprofessional “reporting” from TIME Magazine’s Jessica K. Roy --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 21:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Register-Her.com
I don't see a lot of doxxing going on at Register-Her.com. The wiki has hardly any content. Oh, I see the original site was taken down. Landmartian (talk) 14:54, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah it isn't what it used to be. They made lots of threats about what it would eventually become too and promised that their readers could contribute and submit entries. I don't believe there are any archives (or at least, if they are, I wouldn't want to spread the doxxes by linking them) --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 16:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder if sites like Register-Her could have a beneficial purpose. Suppose a woman reports a rape, and then gets listed at Register-Her. Rapists who look at that site will realize "I better not rape her, since she might report me." Thus, women wanting to deter rapists would have an incentive to report sexual assaults. Landmartian (talk) 22:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Elam = Male backwards
Elam is a real last name, of course. Is it his? - David Gerard (talk) 16:52, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. If there was a "real" name or evidence of a name change, the watchdog sites would be all over it, not to mention places like ED.--ZooGuard (talk) 16:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)