File talk:Axes of privilege.png

I hate this graphic, mostly because privilege vectors that should be linearly independent aren't. 76.73.175.43 (talk) 17:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What is even the source for this graphic. Who made it? Can you even claim fair use if you don't give source? Typhoon (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe so, yes. That said I consider it poor form. 76.73.175.43 (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Whats the distinction between the 'light,pale to dark' axis and the 'white to people of color' axis? For that matter whats the distinction between those to and the eurocentrism axis? SolPyre (talk) 18:01, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Multiple cultures give greater political power or esteem to those who have lighter skin without being a separate race. See India or Japan -- they even sell skin bleaching agents for people who want to look like a "better person". It's not necessarily universal (and in fact, with white people it tends to be the opposite, currently, as the rich and powerful are congratulated for sporting tans), but it's pretty prevalent.KrytenKoro (talk) 19:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In reality, the system is even binary in some case, e.g. race. The original privilege idea was about "white privilege" which you either have, or not have. It's a complete bollocks system, but one a couple of people here believe, but which they muddle and obscure, to pass it off as universal (or because they are obtuse). See the Racism article and edits made there. Aneris ✻ (talk) 18:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ...um, no? Have you never heard of quadroons or mulattos? Or, fuck, how various "white" ethnicities have been oppressed for being "not white enough" (see eastern europeans, Irish, etc.)? Also, Jesus, why do you only ever provide sources that are anti-left editorials? Have you ever found an actual study or something that's not baldly partisan?KrytenKoro (talk) 19:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not difficult to Google these terms if you're confused about what they mean. Colorism is quite a big (& divisive) issue within black identity politics: the issue of whether darker skinned black people face more discrimination whereas lighter skinned black people are more likely to be accepted by the white majority & mainstream culture (tokenistically or otherwise).  For example, there's a common perception that light-skinned black celebrities like Halle Berry, Beyonce, Prince, Obama, appeal to a white audience because they sort of look/seem almost like white people, while still being black enough to satisfy the audience's superficial respect for diversity.  No doubt there's some element of truth to this, but it's also kind of unfair & judgemental to view these people's careers like that: they shouldn't have to justify their success literally because of their skin colour, especially when these criticisms are coming from people who are also victims of skin colour prejudice.  See these two contrasting blogs: one listing a bunch of perceived privileges light-skinned blacks have in comparison to dark-skinned blacks, one arguing that actually the perception of extra privilege means light-skinned black people face additional prejudice within the black community.
 * Re Eurocentrism, it's probably more to do with culture than race, though obviously both are linked. 20:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Privilege Original Aneris ✻ (talk) 23:35, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Bonbon the first has a point, and there's no indication that this is intended as a projection onto a two-space, so... tempted to nuke this. Walker Walker Walker 16:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it has been already. Walker Walker Walker 16:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Image source

 * What is the source for this image? Typhoon (talk) 18:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought I explained google to you already, why don't you use that as a first method before you ask. It's used all over the place, for example here, here or here. Aneris ✻ (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "It's used all over the place" tells us nothing about the original source and the author of this image. Typhoon (talk) 19:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know the author, it's a diagram without artistic merit used to illustrate a concept, so it should be fair use. Your constant flakking and annoying me is noted. Can you stalk someone else please? Aneris ✻ (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In the interest of making sure our use of the image is legit, as Aneris prefers to cry wolf, this appears to be the original author, or at the very least, someone we can contact to track the image further.KrytenKoro (talk) 19:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)