Talk:Miracle Mineral Supplement

Importing shit from Wikipedia
I thought this was discouraged? -- MtD Pinko Scum   23:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 23:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or rewrite to our own exacting standards. -- MtD Pinko Scum   23:50, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Importing from WP always leaves a mess of redlinks nobody has the time to clean up, and then there is the problem of most WP articles being tl;dr wall of text cruft. Usually should not be done. But in this case, the article is just skeptical enough to keep. We discussed this very topic in the Saloon Bar I don't know how many months ago and maybe there's some usable material there, I'll have to look. Secret Squirrel (talk) 23:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Taking out the redlinks, RW-ing the tone and editing out the irrelevant stuff would be a whole 'nother thing. Just dumping it as is ain't cool. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 23:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Going slightly orf-torpic, is there somewhere other than the Saloon where we can centralise these sorts of discussions? The smell of cheap chardonnay and vomit gives me the vapours. -- MtD Pinko Scum   00:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * (EC).. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Saloon_bar/Archive72#.22Mineral_Miracle_Solution.22.2C_aka_drinking_bleach Secret Squirrel (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Someone (preferably the "author") please fix the references. 00:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

A distant relation?
Just wondering if anyone knows if MMS is related to a product marketed as soap (but also a panacea) called Miracle II? "Here is the website". Also, one of the main ingredients is prayer. dEcib3L 15:18, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Ironic
"Humble is blissfully unaware of the concept of "the dose makes the poison" that is central to evidence-based medicine" - the irony here is that on the Genesis II podcast, the host Mike Grenon likes to defend the ingestion of MMS on the grounds that chlorine dioxide is used as a water purifier, and "the dose makes the poison" is his line in their defense. (Of course, the dose ingested in MMS is thousands of times what's considered the safe EPA dosage.) Pere Ubu (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Genesis II (in a document in Comic Sans, really?) recommends 10ml of 3000ppm chlorine dioxide solution dissolved in 1 liter of water, initially, going up to 50ml 3000ppm per liter for "severe life threatening illness". So, if you actually measured right, you are talking... 30ppm-150ppm, roughly, I think? A far cry from the 0.5ppm to 5ppm required for water sanitization. It's closer to a common concentration stated for certain sanitation applications (Birko, a food safety company, for instance recommends a 50ppm-100ppm concentration for sanitizing beer/wine brewing tanks). One issue is I don't think there is a lot of information out there for sustained human ingestion of chlorine dioxide concentrate at a higher ppm than needed for water purification, but probably (at least at the lower end) not quite at the level to be deadly toxic. So (like a lot of the supplement world) the MMS folks are gambling. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with a substance that, at the concentration they are talking about, has been proven to get rid of all the buggies in a brewer's tank, but hey... Soundwave106 (talk) 00:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Leonard J French
Should we include https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkdgWccrJAy50hMsW9wNYQksFEilH9TBu ? He's got a TON of info on the Genesis Church in his videos. MitchellTF 21:11, 31 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want to share some quality YouTubers, feel free. Those seem like pretty long videos though. Got a break-down? 02:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

How is this legal?
MMS is literally bleach. While most bleaches use NaClO (aq), some use NaClO2 (aq), which is MMS. The people at the FDA surely passed high-school chemistry, so they should know that MMS is chemically identical to certain bleaches; yet all they did was issue warnings about it. There has been no attempt to ban it. These alternative-medicine sheeple need to wake up and realize that they are giving bleach to kids! &mdash; Unsigned, by: 73.167.237.144 / talk