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The 3 largest unacknowledged contemporary religions of America
Unacknowledged not in the sense that the phenomena are unknown to exist but rather that they are generally not commonly recognized as religious in nature:

1. Government religion 2. Corporate religion 3. Cult(s) of celebrity/personality

In my opinion, these 3 religions are the most widespread religions which are ordinarily not perceived as such (ESPECIALLY among their believers).

Contemporary Magi
Some modern day magic men/women.

LogicMaster777 (talk) 12:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

The Theocratic Mob's Street Enforcers
The theocratic gang called government has many squads of street enforcers. They can often be identified by special costumes or magic jewelry. It is their job to enforce the scriptures of the invisible higher power of state. Coincidentally(or not) they also pull in tons of money for the mob through shakedowns such as traffic tickets, taking cash, and enforcing taxation which is essentially an institutionalized protection racket. These bandits are magically different from other pirates because they have magic jewelry and they are among the chosen ones of the invisible higher power called "the state".



Magic Jewelry of Authority
Wearing this magic jewelry imparts a supernatural force called "authority" to those who wear it. But only if they are among the chosen ones of the "State(s)". In order for the magic jewelry to work properly and to activate the jewelry's magic the chosen one must first partake of a sacred ritual including a religious oath to support and defend the scriptures of the "State(s)".

Anointing the chosen ones
Here we see some ceremonial magic in which the chosen ones are anointed and ordained with special powers through sacred rituals including a religious oath to signify faithful devotion to the scriptures of the "State(s)". Notice the hands on bibles.


 * You appear to be creating the proverbial heap of broken images. King Skeleton (talk) 11:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

==More analysis from Arizona v United States, where one Leviathan-type imaginary abstract entity sues another (Imagine Santa suing the tooth fairy. Would you accept such thing as rational? Why or why not? What about if a lawyer claiming to "represent" "Thor" sued "Loki" as a defendant? Could such a thing happen in the legal system? Why or why not? In what way is the magical imaginary entity called "Arizona" "fighting" in court with the conjured up abstraction of the "United States" different from the battle between Perseus and Medusa in terms of its "realness"? Is one "realer" than the other? If so, why? Because the magic man in the wizard costume said so, simply by virtue of his shamanic power as one of the chosen ones?)==

From the Majority opinion(page 3 of the "court's" opinion): "It is fundamental that foreign countries concerned about the status, safety, and security of their nationals in the United States must be able to confer and communicate on this subject with one national sovereign, not the 50 separate States."LogicMaster777 (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

On the magic men and women of State
The judge is a magic man. A shaman. A magi. A modern day wizard-priest of a particular religion, that is to say the Government Religion. What he says magically becomes true through a supernatural invisible force called "force of law". He does a magic ritual where he bangs the symbolic hammer of justice(see photo 2), writes his "findings", opinions, and "orders" into the sacred scrolls of Government and by virtue of the ceremonial magic and shamanic power involved, the writings are then "law" (scripture).LogicMaster777 (talk) 09:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

What is the court? Why the pomp, the costumes, the ceremonies, the oaths, the heavy symbolism? The court is a type of theater for a type of magic show performance. The magic show is to deceive the audience. The guy on the bench higher than everyone else is no ordinary average every day joe. He represents something beyond us all individually. He represents the invisible higher power of "state". He or she is the chosen one. He or she wears a special wizard/priest costume(see picture 4). Why? What is the costume meant to symbolize? Is there a particular message being sent by the fancy costume?LogicMaster777 (talk) 09:32, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

What are the costumes of the Wizard characters in Harry Potter (see picture 1,3,6) meant to symbolize? Why are the costumes identical or near-identical(see pictures 1-6)? Robes, and in particular black robes have long been associated as symbolic of a man's/woman's status as a magical wizard or priest.LogicMaster777 (talk) 09:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The robes of Jesuit Priests, Catholic bishops and priests, and the ceremonial robes of other wizard-priests like Aleister Crowley also have a strong resemblance to the robes worn by the Magi of the religious cult called the "bar", a special society for the most learned in the sacred scriptures of state. To be admitted into this selective closed society one must be anointed through a ceremony including a religious oath to faithfully uphold and defend the scriptures of State(s) or the "United States". When one is admitted into this scriptural society, this cult, one is then called "Lawyer". The most powerful-ranking among the lawyer cult are those of the wizard-priest class called "judge(s)". These judges are presumed to have unique ability, wisdom, and "authority" in their interpretation of the sacred scriptures of the government religion due to their personal relationship with their invisible higher power of "state". LogicMaster777 (talk) 10:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The Pentagram Ritual
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos026.htm
 * "On the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram
 * by Tim Maroney
 * The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram is one of the chief rituals of Western Magick. It has been with us at least since the Golden :Dawn of the nineteenth century, and it has penetrated into all the many Golden Dawn spinoffs, including Neo-Paganism. Yet there is still no widely available, clear instruction. The directions of the magical orders are mere mnemonics for those who are assumed to have personal instructors. To formulate my personal approach to the ritual, to aid any others who may be considering practicing the LBR, and to satisfy the idle curiosity of any gawking onlookers, I have put together this short discussion of the ritual and its symbolism and performance.
 * A. Intent of the Ritual

The real action of a magick ritual takes place in the mind. Ritual is a form of moving meditation. The effect is also primarily psychological.* The LBR is a tool to facilitate meditation."LogicMaster777 (talk) 17:55, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

The Modern Day Government version of the occult Pentagram ritual
As the Wizard who wrote this tutorial on pentagram rituals informs us in section C of the tutorial, we don't necessarily HAVE to follow it to a t:

"First, as with any ritual, you should feel free to make it yours, to mess around with it. If you don't start to at least play with the styles of a ritual after a while, you are probably not doing it very well. It is perfectly legitimate to substitute cognate symbols at any time. However, the saying in the martial arts is that one first learns another's style, and after mastering it, moves on to create one's own. For a beginner, it will be easiest simply to use an existing ritual form in order to explore the meaning of a banishing ritual."

The modern institutionalized government form of the pentagram ritual has some tweaks from the Aleister Crowley version. Lets have a look at the Frank Bellamy version and what it has in common with the traditional occultist versionLogicMaster777 (talk) 18:00, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

From http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos026.htm
 * "B. The Ritual


 * I'll just reprint the description of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram from Liber O, a publication of the occult order A.'.A.'.
 * i.  Touching the forehead, say "Ateh (Unto Thee)."
 * ii. Touching the breast, say Malkuth (The Kingdom).""LogicMaster777 (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * iii. Touching the right shoulder, say "ve-Geburah (and the Power)."
 * iv. Touching the left shoulder, say "ve-Gedulah (and the Glory),
 * v.  Clasping the hands upon the breast, say "le-Olahm, Amen (To the Ages, Amen)."
 * This is very similar to the Frank Bellamy Pentagram ritual. "Unto thee The Kingdom" bears striking resemblance to "To the republic...One Nation". Followed by a song celebrating the glorious triumph of the revolutionary armies and their magnificent military power. All while holding one's left hand to the left breast or shoulder like in step iii or iv.LogicMaster777 (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

"vi. Turning to the East, make a pentagram (that of Earth) with the proper weapon (usually the Wand). Say (i.e. vibrate) "IHVH" (Ye-ho-wau*)"


 * In the "pledge of allegiance" there are 50 pentagrams on a flag usually hung on a pole or on a wall rather than drawn on the ground. "Under God" comes after "One Nation" in the statist prayer.LogicMaster777 (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "The Vibration of God-Names
 * In the LBR, the vibration of the god-names "charges" or "enlivens" the pentagrams in the air. This is difficult to describe, but easy to recognize. There is a feeling of presence in one of these charged warding images -- though not necessarily a feeling of true externality or separate intelligence. Weare told to "vibrate" the names."


 * The statist has a religious experience as they say the name "United States of America", the Premeire Leviathan-type deity of the government religion. They feel a sense of connection to something greater than themselves. They "vibrate" in unison rhythm and pitch with others present and then typically have a segment of ceremonious musical vibrations in the form of a hymn. This vibrational ritual engenders a sense of mystical patriotism. The emotional charge can reach intensity levels bordering on ecstasy or a sense of rapture.LogicMaster777 (talk) 18:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

The creator of the Modern Pentagram Ritual
From http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/apr02/include/brother_francis_bellamy.htm
 * "BROTHER FRANCIS BELLAMY
 * Author of
 * "THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE"
 * This tribute to Bro. Francis Bellamy was writ-ten by Bro. John R. Nocas, 33 ø, PGHP, and condensed by him for use as a Short Talk :Bulletin.

~           (Hand writen) ~
 * 'THE PLEDGE IN BELLAMYS HANDWRITING
 * Who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance to our Flag? Can you imagine a time when this was not known?


 * Well, truth is stranger than fiction, for up until 1939 it was not certain who had written the Pledge, and what's more, until that time no one seemed to care. Finally, in that year, after years of research a committee of the U.S. Flag Association ruled that Francis J. Bellamy had indeed written our Pledge of Allegiance. Shown above is the Pledge in his own handwriting. The "to" was inserted for the sake of rhythm. The Reverend Francis J. Bellamy was a Mason, a member of Little Falls Lodge No. 181, Little Falls, New York. The Order of the Eastern Star erected a memorial tablet to him in 1955 in Oriskany, New York.


 * At the First National Flag Conference in Washington, D.C., June 14, 1923, the words "the Flag of the United States" was substituted for "my flag." The change was made on the grounds that those born in foreign countries might have in mind the flag of their native land when giving the Pledge. The Second National Flag Conference in Washington on Flag Day, 1924, added, for the sake of greater definition, the words "of America." On Flag Day, 1954, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed an Act of Congress adding the words "under God." For greater meaning and proper presentation when reciting the Pledge there should be only three pauses: 1. After "America;" 2. after "stands;" and 3. after "indivisible.""LogicMaster777 (talk) 19:00, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

What does this Freemason speak of refering to a "Masonic Destiny of the American revolution?"
From:http://www.midnightfreemasons.org/2012/08/the-masonic-philosophy-of-george_29.html
 * "In August 10, 1782 Washington wrote the earliest surviving exchange of his Masonic correspondents. These early letters were with his Brother and friend Elkanah Watson presenting him with a specialized Masonic Apron symbolizing the union of France and the newly formed republic under the All Seeing Eye of Providence. This apron is now in possession of Alexandria-Washington Lodge No. 22 in Alexandria, Virginia. In his memoirs Bro. Watson states:


 * “Wishing to pay respect to our beloved Washington, I employed, in conjunction with my friend M. Cassoul, nuns in one the convents at Nantes to prepare some elegant Masonic ornaments, and gave them a plan for combining the American and French Flags on the apron designed for this use. They were executed in a superior and expensive style. We transmitted them to America accompanied by an appropriate address.” (Men and Times of the Revolution, Elkanah Watson,1856, pp. 135, 136)


 * The Layfayette Apron

This Apron is not to be confused with the apron hand made by Bro. Layfayette Washington received at Mount Vernon in 1784. Along with this apron received from Watson and Cassoul, they included a letter celebrating the Masonic character of Washington and the Masonic destiny of the American Revolution. This Masonic destiny is the product of the enlightenment, which sought to take Europe out of the Dark Ages and into the light of liberty and democracy."LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:39, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Saint Washington, the Chosen One, destined to be the Messiah of Masonic Prophesy, the perfect man
From:http://www.midnightfreemasons.org/2012/08/the-masonic-philosophy-of-george_29.html "Watson and Cassoul wrote “ In the moment when all Europe admire and feel the effects of your glorious efforts in support of American liberty, we hasten to offer for you acceptance a small pledge of our homage. Zealous lovers of liberty and its institutions, we have experienced the most refined joy in seeing out chief and brother stand forth in its defense of a newborn nation of Republicans. Your glorious career will not be confined to the protection of American liberty, but its ultimate effect will extend to the whole of human family, since Providence has evidently selected you as an instrument in his hands, to fulfill his eternal decrees.” January 23rd, 1782. LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

From http://www.gwmemorial.org/washingtonTheMason.php
 * George Washington, The Mason
 * "George Washington joined the Masonic Lodge in Fredericksburg, Virginia at the age of 20 in 1752. His Masonic membership, like the others public titles and duties he performed, was expected from a young man of his social status in colonial Virginia. During the War for Independence, General Washington attended Masonic celebration and religious observances in several states. He also supported Masonic Lodges that formed within army regiments.
 * At his first inauguration in 1791, President Washington took his oath of office on a Bible from St. John's Lodge in New York. During his two terms, he visited Masons in North and South Carolina and presided over the cornerstone ceremony for the U.S. Capitol in 1793.

In retirement, Washington became charter Master of the newly chartered Alexandria Lodge No. 22, sat for a portrait in his Masonic regalia, and in death, was buried with Masonic honors.
 * Such was Washington's character, that from almost the day he took his Masonic obligations until his death, he became the same man in private that he was in public. In Masonic terms, he remained "a just and upright Mason" and became a true Master Mason. Washington was, in Masonic terms, a “living stone” who became the cornerstone of American civilization. He remains the milestone others civilizations follow into liberty and equality. He is Freemasonry's “perfect ashlar” upon which countless Master Masons gauge their labors in their own Lodges and in their own communities."LogicMaster777 (talk) 17:21, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Some background on Rousseau

 * From: http://www.academia.edu/4123275/JEAN_JACQUES_ROUSSEAU_A_Modern_Political_Philosopher
 * "JEAN JACQUES ROUSSEAU
 * Jean-Jacques Rousseau, born in Geneva on June 28, 1712, was a philosopher, writer, andcomposer of 18th -century Romanticism of French expression. His political philosophy influenced the French Revolution as well as the overall development of modern political,sociological, and educational thought. Rousseau, a Freemason, was interred as a national hero in the Pantheon in Paris, 1794, 16 years after his death."LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "Rousseau was active at the height of the French Enlightenment. Thinkers such as Voltaire, Diderot, and d'Alembert headed a movement that placed supreme faith on the powers of reason. They were disdainful of religion or blind faith of any kind, believing that reason and knowledge could slowly bring about the betterment of humankind. Diderot and d'Alembert undertook the editorship of the Encyclopedie, the crowning glory of the Enlightenment, which was meant to serve as a record of all human knowledge collected to date. Rousseau was initially friends with the other Enlightenment figures, and contributed several articles (mostly on music)to the Encyclopedie. However, he did not share their faith in reason or human progress, and intellectual and temperamental differences increasingly drew them apart."LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

"When it was first published in 1762, The Social Contract was met with outrage and censorship. Rousseau became a wanted man both in France and in his native Geneva. However,thirty-two years later, in 1794, after the French Revolution his remains were transported to the Pantheon in Paris and he was buried as a national hero. The Social Contract was the foremost influence on the intellectual development of the French Revolution, and that stormy period in history is our best example of Rousseau's ideas put into practice. It is not fair to blame the Reign of Terror and the many disasters of the Revolution on Rousseau, but his influence was certainly felt throughout."LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Questions
1. Why was Rousseau's book so controversial? 2. How did Rousseau's philosophy influence the French revolution?LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC) 3. Bonus Question. How did Rousseau's philosophy influence the American revolution?LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:30, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Some Background on magical pentagram symbolism in government and the connection with freemasonry
From http://www.paganspath.com/magik/pentacle1.htm "The Pentagram Comes To The New World
 * "In the Freemasonry order, Man as the smaller aspect of the universe was and is associated with the five-pointed Pentagon. The symbol was used, interlaced and upright for the sitting Master of the Lodge. The geometric properties and structure of the Endless Knot were appreciated and symbolically incorporated into the 72-degree angle of the compasses, the Masonic emblem of virtue and duty. The origins of freemasonry are lost in the depths of history, obscured by the traditional 'craft'-secrecy of the order, but there are signs throughout history of the associations of craftsmanship and ritual and symbolism that have remained known only to a few, and the history of the pentagram has remained occluded in the same kind of mystery. The womens branch of freemasonry uses the five pointed 'Eastern Star' as its emblem. Each point commemorates a heroine of biblical lore."LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "More than half of America's Found[ing] Fathers were Freemasons or practioners of Deism. And we can see how they strived greatly to institute a society that separated church and state in order to eliminate yet another occurrence of the Inquisition. They were very meticulous in their attempts to create a secular government. But they also incorporated elements of the pentagram symbology into American symbols. Possibly because they understood how wide spread the use of this symbol was within all religions. We see it in the 5 pointed stars on the flag, the eye/pyramid on money, and even the layout of the nations capital was designed to reflect Freemasonry symbology."LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "In 1791, Pierre Charles L'Enfante(the designer, who was a Freemason), laid out Governmental Center of Washington, D.C., he planned more than just streets, roads, and buildings. Through his designs, he incorporated certain occult magikal symbols in the layout of U.S. Governmental Center. And of course, many fundamental Christians see this symbol as satanic. In actuality, it's merely just the top portion of the alchemical formula."LogicMaster777 (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * From http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/pentagram_freemasonry.html
 * "INTRODUCTION

Central on our Rosicrucian Altars in the S.R.I.C.F. is the figure of the Pentagram (also called the pentacle, pentalpha, pentangle, pentancle), a five pointed star, formed by 5 straight lines between the vertices of a pentagon and enclosing another pentagon. The name pentagram is Greek, from penta (“five”) and gramma (“letter”). One of the most intriguing symbols of esotericism, it is has been held to have magical properties since time immemorial, and is a symbol that has been both revered by initiates as a talisman of power, and shunned by the masses in abject fear for hundreds of years."LogicMaster777 (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

On the two Fallacious appeals to consequences used to rationalize the reification
1. The Hobbes-esque appeal to consequence 2. The "State Ad Baculum" or "statist ad baculum"

1. The "State" is "real" because believing it is real has good consequences. Bad guys can go to jail. Invaders can be chased away and the abstraction of "the state" provides an organizational rallying point around which endeavor toward those ends can be organized so therefore the abstraction is "real". This is basically the type of argument Hobbes makes as justification of why his imaginary Leviathan should be accepted as "real".

2. The "State is real" because [insert violence/punishment]. My dad can beat up your dad, might is right, Our glory on the battlefield is the proof our cause is [Just/anointed/good/prophesied/take your pick] Once you accept this "logic" you can try to prove any faith based abstraction or conclusion by using force/punishment, etc however you want to put it. Why bother to do clinical trials? We can prove pills work by fighting. LogicMaster777 (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

On the special pleading fallacy of government
What is a government? A government is a group of men and women who get money by forcing others to pay them using conditional threats like "pay or go to jail" or "pay or get shot". While it is generally recognized as wrong for an individual to force others to pay using aggression and threats, government is based on a double standard where one group is magically assumed to be "entitled" to operate by means that would be considered criminal for others to engage in. The government religion functions to obfuscate this double standard. While mafias also function by forcing others to pay using conditional threats, the perceived "difference" between a mafia and a government is the faith-based belief system that is the government religion and the associated supernatural beliefs such as the invisible higher power of "the state" and the supernatural forces of the government religion ("force of law", "sovereignty", "authority", etc).LogicMaster777 (talk) 11:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

WARNING ARMCHAIR PSYCHOANALYSIS OF STATIST PSYCHOLOGICAL MOTIVATORS

 * This type of "logic" is inculcated through the cultural reinforcers of spanking and coercive education. Where "punishment" + Authoritarian "Because I said so" become associated with "truthiness" in the mind by means of stimulus response-based learning mechanisms. LogicMaster777 (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The impressionable child is trying to understand the world. The adults tell the child to worship a flag. All the "good kids" are doing it. And it's not like the child can run away since truancy is "bad" and [insert punishment]. So the kid has to worship the flag and comes to associate this feeling of being one of the "good" "citizens" with the sense of "togetherness" felt in the classroom which provides comfort against the threat of being alone in a scary confusing world. The child experiences a sort of bonding in the ritual although at first they don't really understand the words "allegiance" and "republic". Associative learning mechanisms cause this to become a learned association further reinforced through repetition. They are (not very)subtly coerced into this idol worship with its prayer to a higher power in the form of a religious oath to the abstract "person", the Leviathan of the "United States", the supreme deity of the government faith, represented in the form of an idol with its pentagram symbols and colorful stripes. It is a powerful form of coercive cult indoctrination (Conspiracy theory ahead, read at own risk) used specifically to target the child at the age when they are at their most impressionable. LogicMaster777 (talk) 02:15, 25 December 2014 (UTC)LogicMaster777 (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

On the distinction between my use of anthromorphized and anthromorphic
When I use the term anthromorphic, I mean to describe something that either IS or IS IMAGINED to be an actual human or human-like being. When I say anthromorphized whithout the clarifier of "anthromorphic" with it then I mean to imagine an abstraction or a non-human or inanimate object as having human-like characteristics: "The forest speaks to me." "The State decided." "My car is acting like an asshole." etc. This doesn't necessarily imply imagining or believing in an abstraction as an actual "man" or "woman"(although it can, by which I mean to distinguish with the qualifier of "anthromorphic" to make such a distinction). On the cover of Hobbes book he depicts "the state" as an anthromorphic(although very giant looking) "man"-like being. Scalias anthromorphizing doesn't really go so far as to equivocate "the state" with an actual flesh and blood "man". Although by describing the imaginary supernatural "entity" acting directly on the physical universe Scalia is reifying the abstraction based on magical thinking.LogicMaster777 (talk) 02:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

All images Public Domain or Fair Use - do not vandalize
Any images appearing in LM777's article, working title: A breakdown of the contemporary Government Religion cited and uploaded from the public domain and/or for fair use in the educational article. If you do not understand the article whether it be because of willful ignorance, lack of merit of the article, or because it is an unfinished work or for any other reason, that is not a reason to vandalize the page. If you do not understand public use doctrine do not use your made up version of what you think it might be and use your made up armchair lawyer version as a rationalization for vandalizing my work. To make it simple for any would be politio-religious zealot vandals of a statist bent, or would be armchair lawyers who don't want to bother looking up fair use doctrine but would prefer to use their own made up version, I will clarify what is or is not fair use and what is or is not infringement, under fair use doctrine.LogicMaster777 (talk) 01:41, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Fair use doctrine
Under the religious doctrine of fair use what constitutes fair use is using a copyright protected("copyright protected" refers to an imaginary scripture-based supernatural force) image for purposes of an educational work which is of a non-commercial(not a business venture) nature. I am not selling advertising in my article and I am not selling the article itself. If anyone accuses me of plagiarism or infringement they better have some evidence to support it. Merely calling my article "random" with no evidence-based reasoned support to your argument does not prove infringement. Calling me a moron to add insult to the injury of vandalizing my work and libel of falsely accusing me of infringement is not a reasoned argument to show "randomness" or "infringement".
 * FAIR USE ≠ WHAT YOU PERSONALLY APPROVE
 * INFRINGEMENT ≠ WHAT YOU PERSONALLY DISAPPROVE
 * FAIR USE = Use in a non-commercial educational work.

Statists, I have made it as simple as I can above. Zoo-Guard your unfounded(unsupported by reasoned evidence) statist anti-free speech anti-science censorship attacks have no rational basis. Your religion is being exposed for what it is whether you like it or not despite your emotional statist meltdown and subsequent temper tantrum. LogicMaster777 (talk) 01:41, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The 3 reactions
When confronted on the rational basis for their beliefs, or rather, the lack thereof, the statist will typically behave in one of the following manner(when their faith-based beliefs have no rational basis):
 * 1. Run away/Deny/Denialism.
 * Throws up his hands and refuses to discuss. "Well you believe what you believe so no matter how much I try to convince you you will not accept my evidence" is used as a rationalization for lack of evidence. "What do you mean statist violence doesn't prove the statist belief system? No proof would satisfy you then." Plenty of religious institutions have used "enforcement" as part of the "proof" of the validity of the faith: Mohammad, Joan of Arc, Constantine, I could go on here. All these politio-religious "leaders" have used the enforcement of the religious precepts or scriptures as "evidence" for the "legitimacy" of their politio-religious institutions. Using this type of "evidence" doesn't particularly distinguish your scriptural claims as different and is not "evidence" debunking my theory that the institution is religious.
 * Or you will see another variant of denialism in the form of gaslighting. "What do you mean the government uses threats to make you pay taxes? Really? Since when does that happen? You pay voluntarily because you want to pay." "The government is violent? How does the government killing children prove a pattern of violence? Huh? Since when does the government kill children anyway? That never happened."
 * "The holocaust happened? Since when?" etc.
 * Runs away: "I can't talk to you. You are too weird to talk to."


 * 2. Says something blatantly contradictory.
 * Taxes are voluntary. The state is an abstraction but believing it is "real" is not reification.
 * Puting a gun to someone's head and ordering them to do something isn't "forcing them", a coerced decision is a "voluntary" or "free will" decision.
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDK7QEzHtXA
 * Violence is peace. Arbitrary assertions are "The truth" just because some guy said so, but it's not blind faith.
 * The government gets its legitimate power from the consent of the governed. You don't just get to opt-out.
 * Obama has majority support. The proof? 26% of Americans voted for him. Etc.LogicMaster777 (talk) 03:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * 3. AGGRESSION
 * The statist acts like someone who has been caught in a lie will often do by "blowing up" at the confronting party. If you ask for facts to prove their assertions they will try to "prove" them with verbal aggression such as name calling or threats. Or they might try to use physical violence or other types of aggression such as slander/libel or vandalism.You have questioned their "authority" and now you must be punished for it, etc.LogicMaster777 (talk) 03:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObebwaznpLE
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZAMked0
 * Some typical reactions include straw manning which is basically a combination of all 3 tactics. A type of verbal aggression based on fallacious/false, self-contradictory reasoning, and a type of denialism in that it refuses to acknowledge the actual point of the other side, but rather uses a false version. Aggressive in that it is essentially an attempt to perpetrate a form of intellectual fraud.LogicMaster777 (talk) 03:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)