Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive143

Andy, the Dancemix
Here you go. It's not as spectacular as it should be, but I only went through the first mp3. Maybe I'll do the other one sometime soonish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U07GIWybRr8 If you want the mp3, mail me.

-Lardashe
 * YOU PROMISED ME AUTO-TUNE, ASSHOLE &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 18:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, somebody needs to do an "Autotune the Andy" version, in Autotune the News style. That would be pure AWESOME. --127․0․0․1 18:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's an autotuned version, although I'm not sure how they pull off that severe autotuning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtR1VwCZBN8 -Lardashe
 * haha, thanks. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 18:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You need to feed it a MIDI line. It's the smooooOOOoooooOOOOooke! --127․0․0․1 18:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I want to see Andy Stole the Precious Conservapedia. ENorman 18:38, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I'm imagining Chibi-Andy. I hate you.  :) --Gulik 21:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I regret that I just spent the last hour and half putting together a horrible horrible conversation between Andy and his mother that I will not share until I can figure out how to trigger pitch correction in garageband to a midi source. Thanks for nothing. 22:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Garageband is shit. I'd recommend Logic Pro v8, I've spent the last year using it and it's great. 13:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In fairness Superjosh/Russian Mafia, LP8 is five times the price of Garageband.  And LP8 doesn't even come with the ability to print photo calendars for your Gran, an essential tool for any DJ or remixer.   DogP Marmite Patrol 14:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot about the calendar maker. Logic Pro's more advanced, but Garageband is easily sufficient for this job. Very well done, I loved the splicing along the lines of "Conservapedia's got pornography, it excites the students." 15:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Pitch correction in GB appears to not allow you to "play" a voice as an instrument as with Logic vocal transformer or Auto Tune plugins. So I'll see about buying or borrowing Logic cuz it looks rad, but don't forget that GB is free with a Mac. 15:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but then you have to own a mac. That's a fate worse than death. Next thing you know, it's five AM and you're standing out front of the Apple store with all the other douches, waiting to buy the latest iShite. -- 18:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The segmented mp3s are all up on line here on RW now (Conservapedia:Andy Schlafly on Eagle Forum Live) if people want to play with shorter bits. I also encourage you to link your virtuosity from the appropriate places... 18:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Somebody needs to make U.N. Owen Was Andy. Barikada 00:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Ed Poor never fails to amuse
this is so fundamentally stupid that it makes my eyes bleed. Ace McWickedi9 21:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahahaha. Classic Ed, unleashing a torrent of stupidity. --PitchBlackMind 22:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ...I idly wonder what you would need to be an expert about the Bible... --Sid 22:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Faith. 22:38, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Faith and a partial lobotomy Rad McCool 01:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A Bible? DogP Marmite Patrol 02:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Expertise in Palaeography, Christian studies (Dogmas not found in Bible/NT), Jewish studies (Dogmas not found in Bible/OT), Koine Greek(NT Language), Aramaic(NT Language), Hebrew(OT Language), History of civilization(Old Earth only), Physics/dating methods (which books in the bible are authentic and which aren't, unless you go by the Canon and it's simply a decree), ancient mythology (What did the devil put in to test our faith), recent History (4004 BCE to present, especially after 7 BCE), so there is no expert for the Bible. Ed


 * That, or Bible+faith+full lobotomy.  02:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you're all wrong. All you need is a low word to content ratio!™ Junggai 11:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Conservative Rappers
Yes, they're as bad as you'd expect. Czolgolz 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This has been posted somewhere else already, I think.  13:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * L & G, try and keep non-CP-related stuff off this page. This page is for current events in Conservapedasylum. Even general stuff about CP should go elsewhere. 13:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The shorter one looks like one of Andy's students. xD 18:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

House, Obama send condolences
Maybe it's just me, but Andy almost makes it sound like they're doing something dirty. --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You know, when I read "House, Obama send condolences" my first thought was "Why are Hugh Laurie and Obama getting together on something?" Silly brain. -- 18:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * To be fair, that went through my mind again. I'm pretty sure there is no fictional character Assfly would hate more than House. 19:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The Imaginary 'Textbook'
It's quite amazing that they can tell us that CP has apparently been cited by a 'textbook' and yet can't provide that oh so minor piece of information...which one? Jammy 22:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it was a sunday-school textbook, so it might well have been something somebody at the church put together--Gather a bunch of stuff off the Internet, put it on a flash drive, take it down to Kinko's for printing and binding. Likely as not somebody who knows Andy, knows what he does, knows he teaches sunday school, knows he'd be reading the textbook.  Maybe his wife.  If it were a "real" textbook Andy would no doubt have mentioned the title in order to better impress us all; he knows that citing a homemade pamphlet is damning with faint praise ("Hey!  My best friend Bob mentioned me on the sheet of paper he ran through the ditto machine!").--WJThomas 22:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a thought, too: Andy sez that he was teaching about the Book of Daniel when he ran across something interesting about the French Revolution.  What does the former have to do with the latter?--WJThomas 23:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It was an insight, you liberal vandal! 02:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ken was jabbering about the French Revolution and a search engine starting with G some months ago. Ace McWickedi9 02:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Ken's Insanity
Why does tehassfly allow Ken to edit the main page? I mean seriously, have a look at it in its current state. The (far) right bar is a relatively neat section of news and appropriately sized images, and then you scroll down the left to see a variety of random images with word soup underneath them. Who, in their right mind, would visit CP's homepage for the first time and think it was a serious site? Crundy 13:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They really need to archive their news items. I scrolled down the page and I think the output alone would put enough people off thinking it a real site. Just look at the picture of Hitler and Darwin spliced together. You'd have to be retarded to think that a real picture. 13:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're asking the wrong question. The Arsefly has never taken a lead role in the site, he isn't interested in the day to day running of it, it's administration or the minutiae of how it ought to be organised. He'll actively ignore anyone who endeavours to get him to make a decision. All that stuff has been delegated in perpetuity to the other "senior admins", which in practice these days means to TK. They've lost almost anyone who knew anything about making templates and other shiny navigation aids, so CP is never going to get any better than it is now. The correct question is, why doesn't TK beat on kendoll the way he does everyone else? The only reason I can think of is that kendoll does almost as good a job at destroying CP as TK does. -- 13:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Almost? He manages to do it better!  15:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, I express regret at not finding Conservapedia a year or two ago when it was all-go with debate and slightly less banhammering and moar hilarious Andy-related antics. 14:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Jeeves: Personally I'd muster a guess that TK hates 🇰🇪 as much as anyone, and every time he sees one of his monumental fail additions to the homepage he gets a bit angry (and goes off and starts an argument with a rookie contributor) but never says anything. I can only think that kennyken is one of tehassfly's better loved bitches and even TK isn't stupid enough to block him knowing that andeh would just overturn it. It must make TK's blood boil every time 🇰🇪 makes an edit. It's quite a lovely thought really. Crundy 15:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

As was revealed when they opened the SDG I think they all find Ken irritating and think he's a bit of a tit, but Andy has a sneaking respect for his inexplicable ability to achieve good Google rankings with his articles. StarFish 15:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He's fiddeling with the main page again. Always promissing something coming soon but every time - every time! - it's a bitter dissapointment. I wish he would point to something that's actually happened rather than empty promises that never amount to anything. He always gets my hopes up for something really funny then - nothing. And yes, I love the pictures on main page. Sadly Ken's pictures are about the only really funny thing left on CP. More Ken. Please more. Can we have the Hitler/Darwin/Parrot 'we love eveolutionary racism' picture back please? Please?? StarFish 15:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, he got rid of the bullfighting, creationist seagulls and the windmill. Now it only looks like a flange of five or six drunken baboons were let loose on the main page, rather than an even dozen. For your next trick, Kendoll, you can actually archive the news. You know, we have bots to do these sorts of things. It's a shame all your cohorts are morons. -- 15:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think TK or any of them "hate" Ken, it's more like the Oh No! reaction of the centurion in Life of Brian when Biggus Dickus decides to read out the list of prisoners. 17:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, did I just influence a change on the homepage to make Conservapedia a better place? I must be punished. Please excuse me whilst I whip my back with a cat-o-nine tails. Also, how come TK and 🇰🇪 don't get banned for looking here when everyone else does? Crundy 21:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Terry Koeckritz, 🇰🇪, JPatti, Rob, Addison...Jinxy Baby? hi? ...lots of them are avid readers. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 15:59, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like to say how disappointed I am in the new, disimproved Main Page at CP. It could take months before we have it as good as it has recently been. Shame on you Crundy. DogP Marmite Patrol 22:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Dear god, they've all gone. Maybe I should post something about there being not nearly enough hot chicks sucking my dick... Crundy 13:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Uhh, is this the conversation about the Google crap? Cause I checked mine, but I couldn't find it on the first 10 pages. Dx 18:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No no, I mentioned how shit the front page looks because of 🇰🇪's weird random images with messages about Google ranking / CP evalgalists, and so he deleted them all, thus making the site look more professional and less insane. I'm thoroughly ashamed with myself. 20:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

TerryH, just another "Liar and vandal"
According to JPratt anyway, who deletes the articles "Template talk:Nb Atlas", "Azariah III" and "Hoshea (high priest)",using "Vandalism / lies" as his reason. All very well and fine, until you look at the wanted articles and realise these were well linked articles and b) he's been crapping all over TerryH's work at listing everybody in the Bible. I guess the parodist's mask is starting to slip a little, or he really is a semi-literate cunt, who doesn't know what he's doing. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It may seem unbelievable but all the evidence I have perused, including Twitter tweets and other stuff, has pointed overwhelmingly to the latter conclusion. Andy must be able to enforce action at a distance and mysteriously draws these societal misfits to him. In the old days they would have been tolerated as village idiots but now they think they're intelligent people and deserve to be listened to and respected. Nowadays it may not be politically correct to mock the afflicted but one can't help sniggering at them. (BTW Arthur Figgis=Ed Poor). 11:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You take back that slur against the good name of Arthur Figgis now, or i shall have to ask you to step outside. Actually, I've always thought of them more as Upper Class Twits, (although slack-jawed, rather than chinless), saying thing unintelligibly. Like Andy: "Mummy is a right wing harlot and uses me as a waste paper bin." Terry: "I know Ed Meese and Daddy won the Kentucky Derby." --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Did we forget about Hanlon's razor? Never attribute to malice if it can be sufficiently explained by stupidity.  Nobody at CP is attempting to do bad things, it just the things that occurs naturally when you put a bunch of stupid people together.   13:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but we also remember Bush's Collorary (sp?): "Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice." --Gulik 18:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Mainpage right leech
So Ken now has to keep his current events news items at the top of the page. After posting this item about "Obamageddon" he reposts it again one week later. And both are still on the main page. 15:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I also liked Ken's shoutout to Trent as he increased his picture size by 1 pixel. Twice.   16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I also saw that. Either Ken's either so ignorant about wiki-formatting that he thinks everyone will see the results of his puffery in exactly the same detail, or he does it deliberately to be seen in the RC list. I fear that the latter is the case. 16:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I, for one, would be pleased to see Kenny given complete and sole control over CP's front page.--WJThomas 16:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing Ken does pleases me. He very obviously needs psychiatric care and I hope he gets it. I fear the man will simply disappear some day and nobody but us will even acknowledge he's gone. 16:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyone who is still living with his mom (Hi! TerryK!) and in his late forties obviously has relationship issues.


 * 17:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute. Isn't that the latest manifestation of 2012 apocalypse?   16:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The sniper video
Seems to be walking the line of a threat of violence to me, since I was the one he was stalking all day today, he ends it with that? Hmmm.....tmtoulouse 04:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Links? 04:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * On WIGO. tmtoulouse 04:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean Ken's newfound love ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥  for you?  Or something else?  06:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't tell me he was seriously trying to post a picture in his edit summary! Aborted Fetus 09:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Trent, given Ken's erratic behavior, marathon editing sessions, and general incoherence, I would assume nothing. I thought Ken crossed the line yesterday and would have feared for my safety. Internet name-calling and shenanigans are one thing. Talking about stalking (while actually doing it) and referring to trained killers is quite another. I would have called the police if I knew that Ken DeMeyer is his real name and he actually lives in Buffalo. 14:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, it's getting incestuous over there. Youtube video is awesome! Conservapedia is awesome! Youtube video saying conservapedia is awesome is awesome! Conservapedia saying my youtube video saying conservapedia is awesome is awesome is awesome! Where will it end? -- 09:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It is amusing that he thinks somehow that his search ranking business is in any way influencing science in Canada or anywhere else. --Kels 17:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

A helping hand for TK
Seeing as you're graduating to deleting pages at a whim, as well as blocking every editor in sight. Judge Dredd pop culture? I would have though he was the most conservative film icon you could get 9he's pro death penalty, anyway), since St Ronnie (or are you just jealous you don't look as nice in all that black leather?). Anyway, if you're going to remove all the pop culture from CP, then here's a list to start with: Lead on, McDuff.
 * Star Trek (don't forget all of Ed's live-blogged episodes)
 * Category: Movies
 * Category:Harry Potter Movies
 * Category:Science Fiction Movies
 * Category:Animated Movies (especially those nasty Ghibli ones Uncle Ed shows to the kids he's grooming teaching.

Oh and the next time you try and instigate an off-line e-mail conversation with somebody who could be a minor, I am going to start investigating how to lay a COPPA complaint against Andy and CP. Not you, but Andy as the site owner. --PsyGremlinWhut? 15:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's too bad Ed didn't create a page about Pom Poko. I'd like to hear his thoughts about the adorable raccoons use their giant nutsacks to knock people unconscious. --GTac 18:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Traditionally, giant testicals have been a comic symbol of impotence. Probably hit a bit too close to home for "Call me Uncle" Ed. --Kels 18:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Jackson
So TK deleted the Jackson talk page. Anyone know what he was trying to hide? 19:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There was an interesting little nugget he posted that I think he did in error which maybe Andy wouldn't have been to happy with. OncomingStorm 20:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update...er, OncomingStorm. 20:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So what was the nugget? That when he was younger, TK used to dress up like MJ and moonwalk around his mother's house while singing Pretty Young Thing?--WJThomas 20:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I used to mop a Pizza Hut floor to the strains of Beat It and Electric Avenue... good times (not). 22:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Peas in a Pod, or 69? (for Jeeves)
Megalomaniacal Christian YouTuber (MCY) makes video slamming an atheist YouTuber. Kenny posts his approval under Breaking News. MCY posts video bragging about being mentioned on CP. Kenny posts notice of this as a video saying CP whups WP. MCY posts a video bragging about being mentioned on CP again. Kenny posts notice of this new video as expanded comparison of CP and WP. Ball's in your court, MCY...--WJThomas 20:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If he plays his cards right balls will be in more than just his court ;) --Opcn 22:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just when you thought Ken had had an attack of common sense with his redaction of MainPageLeft, he bounces right back on MainPageRight with his Obamageddon/Oh Canada/Oh YouTuber posts. Great work, Kenny, baby. 22:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now all we have to do is STFU and keep Crundy from complaining about it again.  I still cry every day when I see no bullfighters or vultures on CP Main Page any more.   I guess time heals everything.   DogP Marmite Patrol 22:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm liking that he couldn't handle seeing the front page without all that bollocks spurted across it for more than a few days. I'm keeping shtum from now on :) 13:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well his user page has never recovered since I highlighted it as one screencap. 13:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

While you were sleeping...
Rob, meet RJJensen. --Sid 23:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I swear, any more unwritten rules and that place will cease to exist. 23:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Different article, but still: "Oh yeah? It's on, bitch!" --Sid 20:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cease to exist? We should be so lucky. --Gulik 03:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Their new way of hiding blocks (TK LeoS Userpage misfire)
This is like as if the block never happened. Only if you don't bother checking out the name they are renaming to. More ways of them accusing us for the liberal deceit. 01:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, its nothing that devious, they are trying to get around the fact that every first name last initila is getting used up. tmtoulouse 01:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is paranoia about the Conservapedia:Unusable names article. They are sure we are trying to use up all the available username-space. I would expect to see more of this. 01:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * More lulz if you put it that way. And then they block people of "having previous records of vandalism" without the user ever knowing it.   01:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a good point. We might be able to reuse old handles and see if they remember having blocked them or whether they just took time off. 01:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone ever come up with a connect-four or tic-tac-toe like game to play with Conservapedia:Unusable names? Perhaps come up with Hollywood Squares type qualities depending on who blocks you. Teabag 03:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can think of a blockbusters style game for Conservapedia blocking. You start with a set of hexes filled with random letters like regular blockbusters, one player plays top to bottom and another left to right. Each player takes it in turns to select an unoccupied letter from the board and an unblocked user whose name starts with that letter. If the user is blocked within 24 hours, you get to claim that hex. The winner is the person who creates an unbroken line of hexes between their two sides. Players aren't allowed to create socks for the purposes of game play, or select their own socks. -- 11:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do our colonial cousins understand Blockbusters? Should it not be part of the game that one side plays solo and the other as a pair? Silver Sloth 12:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ken wasn't kidding
I suspect those of you who aren't Canadians have heard nothing about this, due to your liberal mainstream media, but the Canadian Internet have been completely overrun by creationism in an operation called. Remember "the internet is a series of tubes"? From Alaska's standpoint, this is literally true, as the Canadian Internet is a system of hydraulic tubes filled with maple syrup and poutine. We are on the defensive, the situation is grim and grows grimmer by the minute, as it turns out our Science Minister was a creationist plant, a pawn of chess master Ruy Lopez. Our stalwart lumberjacks and mounties are valiantly attempting to repair the holes in the internet trunk (a pipeline running through British Columbia from Alaska to Washington), gouged by bulls manipulated by creationist matadors. Please send help! We've run out of supplies and are now using spam to fill the leaks, and it's only a matter of time until the crusading creationists reach the Central Pumping Nexus, codenamed the "Evolutionary Paradigm." 21:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: They have cheetahs! God save·········· the HELL is th··········hybrid monsters···········reanimated Hitl·····looks like····rwin····*static*  21:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Quickly! Capture Sarah Palin and threaten to release her into the Lower 48 unless 🇰🇪 stops!!  21:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * See? You mock me and my hamburger syndrome, but it is I who will have the last laugh against the lies of evolution! Canada has fallen, and nowhere is safe! Ole ole ole! Kendoll 21:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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Oh god! 21:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You called?--Precumming Storm 23:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a dark day indeed. Gods save the Queen.  I, on the other hand, will be saving the Beer and Wenches.--Tygrehart

Liberals are the conspiracy theories!
Anyone remember how Andy likes to go on about how liberals are always believing in conspiracy theories? Well, early Sunday morning I was woken by a knock-knock at my front door. I dragged myself up from my hangover and mumbled what bad and stupid idea I thought it was to think about getting up. But I answered the door and found my half brother on the doorstep. This was unusual because I thought he was in Brazil. So I let him in and we had a few pre-lunch beers. During our conversation he started spouting anti-Obama conspiracy theories. I listened politely. After he left I watched a movie at his suggestion. It was called The Obama Deception and within minutes I could see where it was going. Typical New World Order/Illuminati brain fodder. The movie went on about a shadowy junta called The Bildeberg Group. After doing a little research I discovered this - "According to the investigative journalist Chip Berlet, the origins of Bilderberger conspiracy theories can be traced to activist Phyllis Schlafly. Schlafly suggested a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger group, whose policies would pave the way for global communist conquest." Heh, liberal conspiracy theories indeed. Ace McWickedi9 00:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your half-brother sounds like a crazy sort of person; who else can find time for American conspiracy theories while globetrotting from Brazil to New Zealand? 00:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I assumed he still in Brazil but I hadn't heard from him in a few months so he could have been anywhere. I was most surprised to find him on my doorstep as he doesn't live in my city. Anyway, as soon as I realized its was NWO stuff I knew not to give it creedence. Then when I found Mama Schlafly's name attached I knew what to file it under. Bullshit. Ace McWickedi9 00:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Well the way I read it, The Bilderberger posse are liberals engaged in deceit and they a deceiving the god honest Republicans. Thank heavens she was there to point it out. Rad McCool 01:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When is mommy going to the retirement center Andy? I think the old age is catching up with her... oh wait, this is nothing new.--Nate River 01:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * She is rich; she can afford a live-in nurse. 02:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * She first came up with this conspiracy theory in 1964 in her book A Choice, Not an Echo. Ace McWickedi9 02:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No wonder Andy's Acolytes said that Andy's mom is the most influential person between 1945 and 1980.  04:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone should buy Turbo Reader the nurse needs a bonus for having to listen to Phyllis Screechy. 05:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, at least Bilderberger group conspiracy theorists have one up on many other NWO-fearing nutcases, in that the group they fear actually exists. I wonder if Mommy Dearest believes they're all reptiloids like David Icke does? -- 06:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

hee hee.
lol - I think this counts as a good thing, but just seen that a certain article (beginning with "G" - or maybe not) at CP is linking to my blog as a reference. Won't mention it just yet, because I want to watch Terry and JFuckHead going mad trying to find it. and let me add some more liberal bias to said article in the meantime. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Monsieur Gremlin, you should have posted this on Saloon Bar, then it's less like Terry Koeckritz would find it! 11:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, well think of it as a public service thing, Terry Koeckritz will be able to fondle himself again in glee (and on a Sunday too, unless he's taking a break from another 50-hour bender) when he does find it, and frankly I want to see what happens to the poor innocent who put that link in, if he hasn't already thrown in the towel. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We have a winner (and a new avid reader in the parodist OscarJ (brand new and already calling us vandals? Clearly another who has been sucking hard at Terry's cock teat)). Congrats - collect your complimentary blow job from Terry behind the sheds. (Poor old TagoPagdaluhong though) --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll go you one better, and be more specific: In one of the articles that FOIA has spent so much time referencing and linking, a couple of the links (which appear completely innocuous on their face) go to places that are very very very naughty indeed. Very naughty. --WJThomas 12:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. My. God. That is beautiful. FOIA (one trick pony that you are) I think I love you. Now, little Oscar... fetch! --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:04, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to imply that FOIA is personally responsible for said links--I didn't bother going through the diffs to discover the specific culprit.--WJThomas 13:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't really matter - just feeds the paranoia at the end of the day. It's not like the fact that FOIA has created the grand-daddy of all wiki pages will save him anyway from TightKnickers' tender mercies when his time comes. --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I also know of some non-family friendly links in at least one of PJR's articles. They've been there quite a while now but I aint saying any more. 15:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh hey I see you like the Gitah --GTac 18:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Moar TheKunt over-reacts and deletes the entire article. "Over the top pop culture". I LOVE IT. The site is shrinking rapidly. Hey, TightKnickers, Star Trek is definitely pop culture, or won't Uncle Ed blow you anymore if you delete his crap? --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

AddisonDM
Anyone have any idea what is behind AddisonDM's recent willingness to challenge Andy on his intellectual dishonesty? First the williness to challenge the Great Teacher on his ridiculous views about radioactive decay and plate tectonics, and now this: http://conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Sunday_school_book Addison no longer seems quite the clockwork orange. What happens when he bans one of his students? Kaalis 17:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He doesn't admit it ever happened, of course. --Kels 18:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Syme had vanished. A morning came, and he was missing from work: a few thoughtless people commented on his absence. On the next day nobody mentioned him. On the third day Winston went into the vestibule of the Records Department to look at the notice-board. One of the notices carried a printed list of the members of the Chess Committee, of whom Syme had been one. It looked almost exactly as it had looked before -- nothing had been crossed out -- but it was one name shorter. It was enough. Syme had ceased to exist: he had never existed. Totnesmartin 20:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He's obviously a reader of RW to ask about the Sunday School book.  Asking that question gets you a whuppin' if you're anyone else.   DogP Marmite Patrol 22:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, that will lead to an interesting conversation Andy would have with Addison's parents. "Addison just wandered off during the field trip.  He refused to accept my authority in telling him to stay on the path, and I guess he just suffered the consequences..."Kaalis 23:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Big props to Addison on the old earth debate. The 8.8 feet comment both shows that some of Assfly's "students" have the logic necessary to toss off the yoke of fundamentalism and the willingness to use it. He got Ashfly to abandon his pointless argument with logic and a bit of division. Go Science!--DylanB 23:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The big assault on Canada revealed!
Try and guess the friend that brought Denyse O'Leary's attention to the article! Such a high profile blog outta really drive the traffic! Now I know why I should be scared. tmtoulouse 05:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey we got as much column space as "article" did, pity she fucked up the link. Her Alexa rating might be low because her readers might not have the technical skills required to install the tool bar, after all she can't use an anchor link properly and she is the one doing the writing, imagine what the readers are like.  05:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's gotta burn that the tag text is "conservapedia" and not "evolution." Totally non SEO. tmtoulouse 06:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Does she help with SEO any way? I thought she would get passed over by the Google bots as a link farm. 06:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the duplicate content, she posts her crap on 20 different sites. But we are just in denial, Ken's arsenal of support has been revealed and I am quacking in my boots. tmtoulouse 06:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You should be now he has eroded the evolutionary paradigm on the internet in Canada [link to stupid picture], a survey will come out showing a loss of support of the Evolutionary position in the public [external link to an internal article subsection] and he will move in for the kill [link to a slightly threatening YouTube video]. :) 06:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You are right, when I look at someone like Larry Moran, and compare his accomplishments to the like of Denyse O'Leary I realize the bankruptcy of my position. Oh the existential angst! tmtoulouse 06:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He belong to liberal academia. On this uncontrolled internet [link to almost completely irrelevant YouTube video] the evolutionary paradigm will not survive. 06:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (aside) I now have an image of Trent as a boot wearing duck - "Quacking in my boots" indeed!. 06:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See Rob, now that is a malapropism. tmtoulouse 07:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the fact she says her "friend" is pestering her to sue for defamation. Ace McWickedi9 07:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That reminds me, I keep forgetting to send Andy a letter demanding he remove the accusations of fraud against me on his web site... 20:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, I didn't make the connection between the friend in those two paragraphs before. 🇰🇪, you naughty manchild. -- 08:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice timing. I just borrowed one of her books (Faith @ Science:  Why Science Needs Faith in the Twenty-First Century) a few days ago.  Maybe I should start debunking it.  Second thought, 2 pages in and it's full of logical fallacies that it's not even wrong.   19:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

"Unidrected evolution"? Whassat? 09:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Reality. --Kels 13:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Attention creationist nut jobs the world over
RationalWiki's article for Denyse O'Leary is flying high on Google Canada with a top 10 result for the unpopular search Denyse O'Leary. It is number 2 on Goggle, Google New Zealand and Google Australia. In addition it is number 3 on Google UK. Crappy bloggers will not survive on the internet. :) 11:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch. Now we are just as obsessed as 🇰🇪 in listing occurrences of us appearing in search engines with name starting with G.   15:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Gentlemen of a rather nutjob site that even the Republican Party doesn't care exists. A search for 'online encyclopedia' in the UK on a popular search engine beginning with G, or maybe it was Y, no might have been B, or was it N, F? Z? C?, anyway, whatever.....a search for 'online encyclopedia at Google has revealed that Conservapedia isn't listed at all, nope, not all, whatsoever. The failure of Conservapedia to gain any recognition as an online encyclopaedia continues. 'Au lait! Au lait!! Au lait!!!&mdash;&mdash;Faster&hellip;Deeper&hellip;Harder&hellip;but with a little more lube if you please'.--Precumming Storm 14:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good lulz, Dwarf. Good lulz. 15:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The culprit can be the quotes and the word "online" as much as the word "encyclopedia". But then again, How many people would do frequent searches for "Offline encyclopedia" on the same/slightly different (G @ nz versus G at de versus G at jp) search engines?   19:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The quotes weren't used in the search, the single quote marks used here are just to denote the string what I did type into that there Googley type box thing. As for using the term online encyclopedia, AndyPandy wanted Conservapedia to be a conservative alt to Wikipedia which, of course, is an online encyclopedia, having no physical alt form.--Precumming Storm 20:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * O RLY? Totnesmartin 18:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Check THIS out! Thanks for proving intelligent design, Denyse O'Leary! The Foxhole Atheist 14:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

He is still plagiarizing?
I saw TK created a "new" article and just for old times sake googled the opening line, sure enough it is plagiarized from a copyrighted source. tmtoulouse 22:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you can't expect a worn out old dog to learn new tricks. He does actually reference that article but in a deceitful manner and not for that copied line which of course should have quotes. And obviously he has no idea how to paraphrase - no, strike that, he's just a lazy git trying to appear productive but without an original thought in his sick sad old mind and reduced to steal what scraps he can find.  22:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometimes it's a shame Wikipedia doesn't allow original research. I'd love to throw together a little subheading with documentation of such plagiarism. 71.193.206.116 23:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as cut&pastes from WP go, I don't remember Wikipedia being particularly bothered about "plagiarism" of its pages, although simple courtesy, intellectual honesty, and perhaps even CP's own Second Commandment call for acknowledgement of sources. There is, however, this to throw documentation into. Sprocket J Cogswell 01:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was actually referring to the possibility of using Wikipedia to show the exact nature of plagarism on Conservapedia, something prevented by rules against original research (and blatant pettiness, I suppose). Pro-Conservapedia people (like a certain Mr. Poor) might actually notice it there, whereas RW is mostly read by those who wish to troll it (such as TK). 71.193.206.116 03:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Too soon the "save page," too late the understanding on my part. Mea culpa, just this once, of course. I wouldn't call it pettiness, if your aims are pure, which I'm sure they are. Even if not, it would contain a minor portion of justifiable pettiness for the greater good. Too bad the venue doesn't work that way. You will find, if you inquire further, that Wikipedia also has the policy that it is not a soapbox. Sprocket J Cogswell 03:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, cites and verifiability are a very good thing on Wikipedia. The assertion there that "RationalWiki... offers criticism" could use a footnote after "criticism" pointing at that CP:Blatant plagiarism page as an example of verifiable issues worth criticizing at CP. Sprocket J Cogswell 04:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * TK learned from the best. --Gulik 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Specific incidents of plagiarism from Wikipedia should be noted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/Abc#Conservapedia. - Cuckoo 13:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Whups, kneejerk WP admin reaction, there. I killed the thread, sorry! ;) - Cuckoo 21:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Schade
Aw, Ketklik's been blocked again (this time as JonathanG). Shame, I like him.-- 08:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What a shame he doesn't still have access to Andy's study. Hey Phy, how about for old time's sake? Wink, wink. 08:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I literally cried when I saw this. Mainly because it happened while I was in class and I didn't have a chance to attempt to contact TK explaining myself. There should be a new rule that if a user asks a legitimate question to a sysop, that he must wait a full 24 hours before blocking the user. 09:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, let me get this straight:
 * You want to contact TK?
 * In private?
 * To explain yourself?
 * To challenge a permaban?
 * And CP should have a rule limiting sysop power?
 * ...typical. I'm quasi-away for a few days, and people already start going insane. --Sid 09:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course I want to explain myself. Why else would I be posting in my Sandbox here?
 * That comment on TK's page was one of the last edits I made while I was getting ready for class. My laptop was shut down after whatever my last edit was and I hadn't turned my lappy back on until midnight (EST). 09:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't explain yourself to a bully, they just kick more sand back in your face. 09:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Woah! Did you say bully? Is TK actually considered bully? 10:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You either have a dry sense of humour or else you haven't been paying attention. 10:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if he is a bully to a good amount of editors on Cp, then he is breaking the Cp commandments of harrassment and can be punished up to 2 years of jail for such.
 * You misspelt "impotent". 10:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He at least reads it.. >.> 10:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you can still email him outside the CP system, but fat lot of good that's going to do you. If you're really that keen to carry on editing at CP then tackle Andy next time you see him in the liquor grocery store. 10:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Andy doesn't drink. 10:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That there probably explains most of the Assfly's manifold problems. -- 11:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hah! Another of TK's lies! 13:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Bring back short blocks
IPs aside, you now have to go a long way back through the block log to find a block of less than five years. The only exceptions, weirdly, are 'recreate your account with a better name' blocks from JPatt, which tend to be only 3 months for some reason.

They should bring back the shorter blocks.-- 13:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Like that's going to happen with TK around? Actually, the last person he gave a short block to (or was it Ed?) was BRichten, but then TK sneakily blocked his IP for all eternity, in a typically TK deceitful manner. I miss "Violated 90/10 rule against talk, talk, talk", "Entering into disputes not involving editor (MYOB)", "Negative personal comments", and "User removed from the site after engaging in harassment of site's members"... all of which should imply that TightKnickers should have been booted off ages ago, if Andy and his goons weren't hypocritical idiots, of course, or if TK wasn't blackmailing Andy to allow him back on the site (just a thought). --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * 23:52, 27 June 2009 AddisonDM (Talk | contribs) blocked Kawboy55 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 6 months (account creation disabled) ‎ (Inserting nonsense or gibberish into pages or edit comments)


 * This is the most recent non-5+ year user block on record.  13:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually that's only three days ago. Well done Addison.-- 13:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops! Think he might have got me: Carphone Warehouse got the chop on the 28th. 14:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I never really understood the five year block. Why don't they just go for infinite? You know they want to. Are they pussies? &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 16:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They figure the user might clean up their act and realize their wrong doing after 5 years. So they give a tiny window of opportunity. I want a 5 year block, so I can come back at some point. Instead of having to wait until I can afford a new laptop. 17:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Pfffff, right. "5 years" is just a nicer way of saying "infinite". Temporary blocks (in the 3-12 month range) have miraculously turned into infinite ones (before the temporary one expired) the moment the user announced that he would resume editing once the block expired. They have absolutely no intention to see if someone will come back and play by the rules. Once a bad guy (and you become a bad guy by questioning a sysop's infinite wisdom), always a bad guy. And bad guys don't have the privilege of editing CP.
 * Usually, block lengths (at least when TK is involved - Ed, Jpatt and the others don't really think this far ahead; or they just leave the adjusting to TK) are basically chosen by attention span: "Estimated length until editor gives up and forgets about CP + 1 week". You just joined most/all of the regular RW people - he thinks that if he gave you a five year block, you would actually wait that long. --Sid 21:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Over the last six month, blocks shorter than five years for an editor virtually didn't happen: The single dots in the wp:Boxplot show outliers...

Before 2009 in almost every month a significant portion of the blocks were shorter than five years.

Usually shorter blocks are sufficient: only ~50% (try to) come back from a one-day-block... 23:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC) :FYI, LArron, Your chart for WP has one extra point (2007-01) relative to CP. 00:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * One other thing I notice is how it relates their position on capital punishment -- They simply want to get rid of the bad guy (def: whoever disputes with "the viewpoint", pretty much how they define Liberal).  00:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Not really worth a WIGO
But "word poverty | | popularized by President George W. Bush" - I wondered if Dubya was the example of "word poverty". This message brought to you by: respond and marmalade 15:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe it should be grammatic/linguistic poverty, but well, we are talking about dyslexic people spelling "dyslexia", which probably ends up as "daily sex".  15:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Liberals controlling elections
So, according to Andy and Slate, when large corporations donate lots of money to candidates, conservatives win, and when they don't, liberals win. I'm not sure which of these is more democratic. Hmmm.... 17:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * An election is generally recognized as democratic if no one is induced to vote against their conscience and people's votes are recorded in an accurate manner. Beyond that, any claims of elections being undemocratic are usually just whining because one's own side did not win. 18:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Two points (a) I was using the word democratic in the more traditional sense of "representing the will of the people" and (b) I think extra money swaying votes would violate your first point.  19:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Bribing or compelling people to vote a certain way violates the first point, but putting forth expensive propaganda does not. 19:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hrm. When they outcome of an election hinges on who has more money, I don't think you can really call that democracy. The principle of one person, one vote wouldn't seem to apply there. In fact you can essentially "buy" votes by buying advertising, so it's more like a shareholder's vote than a democratic vote. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. I don't think I'd mind living in a country where one could buy voting shares. -- 20:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've long felt that US elections are about which of two millionaires has the best PR. Totnesmartin 20:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed Totnesmartin, it's been a thinly veiled plutocracy for quite some time. --PitchBlackMind 20:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Z3ro--by that standard, the USA hasn't had a genuinely democratic election in decades. In opinion polls where random citizens are asked what policies they'd prefer without any party labels attached, the US population consistently skews MUCH more "Liberal" than its so-called representatives. --Gulik 20:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I very much agree on both points; that people in general favor "liberal" policies, and that the US hasn't had a true democratic election in a long time. In fact, 2008 is probably the closest we've come in a long time.   21:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How is one person not getting their one vote presently? 20:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Voter suppression exploits? 22:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Vote Caging springs instantly to my liberal mind. Also, we only get to vote for the candidates the parties run, and those pretty much uniformly are corporate asskissers or scary beady-eyed fanatics. (Yes, I am a cynic.  I voted for Nader in 2000.  WHEN WILL MY PUNISHMENT END?!?)--Gulik 22:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Vote caging is an example of corruption, an example of people being induced to vote (or not vote, in that case) against their conscience. And there is no positive right for people to have a candidate suitable to their palate. 23:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you read what caging is? There are many other examples of people not being able to get their "one vote" due to shenanigans.  01:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My objection was that I only said an election was fully democratic if there was nothing of that sort going on. Since vote caging is now illegal, we cannot say that it is anything wrong with the system itself. 01:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute here. Why would we assume that the conservatives actually want elections?  isn't the status quo more in the line of kings back in the middle ages and Roman Emperors, whose rise to power does not necessarily involve common people?   00:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody wants elections unless they think they can win them; at first the Reds said that workers were only kept from embracing communism by force of arms, but then they started losing elections, which put the lie to that, so Antonio Gramsci went and came up with the idea of "cultural hegemony." 01:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Math!
There's been so little going on at CP lately that I was beginning to despair, but it looks like the great leader is ready to take on maths again! Or at least arithmetic. Look here, plus some earlier edits today in Talk:Mathematics. I have a feeling this is going to be fun. I'm especially looking forward to some wiki-fighting over liberally-biased mathematics. --Simple 00:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Quick, someone ask Andy for an example of an occurrence of liberal bias in Math!  00:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Axiom of choice, which supports abortion; axiom of equality, which supports relativity of all sorts; Gabriel's Horn, which denies God's infinite (volume); Banach–Tarski paradox, which supports creation from nothing without God, etc. 03:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the way Aschlafly can't be bothered with giving an outline for a math project. Please edit a math entry as you think best, and I'll improve it, and then someone else will improve it, and then it will be a superb educational resource. wow, it's so organic. Where is Ed Poor to ask for a ''cp:writing plan? 16:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Please help RE: RobSmith WIGO on Edwards sex tape
I am very tired and not feeling well, please verify for me that RobS pulled the "cocaine addicted prostitute" bit out of thin air and I am not suffering from dementia. 76.105.223.232 03:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, he appears to be either making it up or looking at something he didn't cite. No coke or hookers in that article. 03:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the author, the main character of his book Story of My Life is inspired b his ex-girlfriend Rielle Hunter, who Edwards had an affair with. How this make her a cocaine addicted prostitute is tenuous at best. 04:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if she was willing to degrade herself so far as to have illegitimate sex with a Liberal, what else COULD she be? --Gulik 05:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Colony Dominion
So, Canada was a Dominion after all. Don't I recall Andy et al fighting tooth & nail for Canada being a colony, or at least there being no difference? This message brought to you by: respond and marmalade 07:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet memories, the discussion was fun - and pain - to read 07:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back Rob
It's edits like this that reminded me just what a batshit insane, paranoid, McCarthy-ite you are. Welcome back and look forward to you spiralling up the insanity there, especially with TK to egg you on. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And yet in the edit immediately above the one quoted, he's apparently fighting the corner FOR left wing bias in edits! This could be fun to watch! Also, while I'm on, why doesn't he get banned for posting on a vandal site! Mick McT 13:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Like every other commandment, senior sysops exempted themselves. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 13:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

RobS Bushism Redux
Wow, being made a fool the last time wasn't enough for ya, eh Rob? The quote you claim isn't even in the article you cite, and you are mangling the paraphrase in the article. As it originally appeared in the article it all makes perfect sense. Maybe you should try Phylis Schlafly's phonics course? tmtoulouse 20:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yah, this makes sense:
 * 7 percent of all the energy consumed in America is used to light our homes (directly quoting the president).
 * "substantial savings between 2012 and 2042, saving consumers up to $4 billion annually, conserving enough energy to power every U.S. home for 10 months..."
 * (and we are not even getting into the 166 million cars or 14 power plant assdertions)

Is this, (a) restoring science to its rightful place, or (b) restoring logic to its rightful place? RobS 20:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (1) All light bulbs take up the 7%; (2) How is 10 months' savings over 30 years implausible? (3) Where is the Bushism? 20:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "Between 2012 and 2042, these new standards will save consumers up to $4 billion a year, conserve enough electricity to power every home in America for 10 months, reduce emissions equal to the amount produced by 166 million cars each year and eliminate the need for as many as 14 coal-fired power plants."
 * Are you really that dumb, Rob? Or are you just trying that hard? &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 20:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "That's not an 'or' question." -- Dogbert. --Gulik 20:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, he's that dumb. We kid a lot here about various CPers being not-so-bright, but Rob is honest-and-truly dumb.  I'm not saying this to insult the poor guy, just stating a fact.  I've dealt with him enough to know that he is the living personification of "thickheaded".  He gloms onto an idea and he just can't let go.  He is incapable of changing his mind.  Logic, reason, arguments, documentation, beatings, whatever--nothing makes a dent.  He's just...plain...dumb.--WJThomas 20:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like when we get to this point and he simply cannot concede. You'll still be a man, Rob. I'll even respect you moar!!! &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 20:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * RobS's stupidity is not your garden variety idiocy, it's positively surreal. I learned long ago not to try to get into discussion or arguments with him, as he is incapable of understanding the meaning of a simple sentence, and he will generally reply to whatever you write in such a manner as to make you wonder if he is actually responding to some other comment only he can see which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You can say something like "The sky is blue and the grass is green" and he will ask you why you believe grass turns the sky blue, and then probably somehow bring communism into the discussion. This made him very fun to parody on CP back in the day, but is good for little else. DickTurpis 21:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly.--WJThomas 21:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey there, why isn't Rob a sysop here? Stile4aly 03:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont agree with the namecalling here. Bushisms aside, I respect RobS for at least coming here and defending his position in a normal fashion (unlike Jynx). --GTac 06:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be namecalling, I'm just describing the situation, and "dumb" is what fits. I'm open to nicer descriptions, if you have any suggestions.  And I don't think Rob comes here out of honor or bravery, I think he just doesn't get why we can't understand his bleatings, and he comes here to explain it to us--he thinks we're dumb ("What?!  They don't understand that 2+2=orange?  I'll show them, the morons!!")--WJThomas 09:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with spadecalling. The guy's a complete nutter. He rivals Assfly. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 12:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you all for the warm welcome. To respond to ListenerX/sig0:
 * 1) All light bulbs take up the 7%; (2) How is 10 months' savings over 30 years implausible? 

Therein lies a bushism, either on Obama's part, or perhaps Liz Soldati of AP. Let's review the facts. Soldati directly quotes Obama, "7 percent of all the energy consumed in America is used to light our homes," then summarizes more statements attributed to the president, "saving consumers up to $4 billion annually, conserving enough energy to power every U.S. home for 10 months..."

This isn't a bushism, you know, where you scratch you're head and say "What the hell is he talking about?" RobS 17:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I am scratching my head and saying "what the hell is he talking about?" but not in regards to Obama. --PitchBlackMind 17:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Er, Rob. The quote is "7 percent of all the energy consumed in America is used to light our homes and businesses" (My emphasis).  Obama is saying that lighting, all lighting, not just the light in your den but the McDonalds arches, the office lights left on at night, the runway lights, the terminal building lights.  All of it.  Every last light bulb accounts for around 7% of the energy needs of America.  That doesn't sound like an unreasonable figure to me.  What else do you guys use energy for?  Heat. Transport. Manufacturing.  Is the idea that that accounts for a "mere" 93% of your energy usage such a massive underestimate?  Now if he was just talking about domestic usage then 7% would have been silly.  But he wasn't.  You only made it look like he was by removing the majority of lighting usage from his estimate of lighting.
 * Right 2012 to 2042 is 360 months. At the current rate lighting will use energy over that time equivalent to 7% x 360 = 25 months and one week of total energy consumption.  Obama is saying that under his new standards it will use 15 months and 6 days.  That's a reduction of 40%.
 * Now, as energy efficient lightbulbs (you know the things used for lighting) use 75% less energy than standard lightbulbs (the things mostly being used now) this 40% saving would be achieved by swapping just over half of all lightbulbs for energy efficient ones. What number is in doubt?  Is 75% saving a massive overestimate?  Is having half of all lightbulbs as energy efficient lightbulbs wildly optimistic?
 * There are around 300 million people in America. At a guess of 3 per household on average that's 100 million households.  Obama's $4 billion saving amounts to 40 bucks per household per year.  If that's a 40% saving that implies that the average household spends $100 bucks per annum on energy for lighting. Sounds pretty cheap to me. Toffeeman 20:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good analysis, and you've touched on all the major points. The 7%, for example "energy," refers not just to electricity. So the article evidently intends to say 10 months savings over 360 months.  Let's play connect the dots now; that presumably does not take into consideration the recent CBO report on the cap and trade tax increase scheme which adds $175 per year ($5250) over 360 months. Or the Heritage Foundations claim the real impact of cap and trade on household energy costs is $2900 per annum (or $87,000 over 360 months).
 * 10 months savings over 30 years. Wow.  On is reminded of Reagan's across the board tax cut, initially it was $8 per week for people making union scale wages.  That was paltry enough for them to spend sums of money even greater in the mid-term elections to complain about it.  RobS 22:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Rob, I think its just wonderful that you can post here without any fear of TK blocking you and getting Andy to rid you of your rights...unlike Jinx. Makes me smile. Ace McWickedi9 22:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Because TK reads the shit out of this page and blocks any random user on CP who makes a point remotely similar to anything addressed on this page as a "vandal site member." Make me feel all warm and tender inside.  22:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not as warm and tender as you make me feel Nutty. Ace McWickedi9 22:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * One day when the war is over we'll all of us, CP and RW alike, put down our rifles and meet in Andalusia to hoist a sangria and laugh about our travails. 23:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. As Sen. Moynihan says, "What if the American government disclosed the Communist conspiracy when it first learned of it...that might have informed the legitimate American patriotic left that there was indeed a problem...that did not happen. Ignorant armies clashed by night." RobS 00:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Rob, I probably wouldn't buy you a drink. 01:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I can make things up too!
TK once again just goes and makes a whole lot of shit up. I would suggest that since Obama is in it would probably be conservatives wanting to leave the United States. Ace McWickedi9 01:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the conservatives are trying to put words in Obama's mouth by saying that President Obama wants to leave the country.  01:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You know Conservapedia will never rely on facts if they can twist things and assume or make up stuff out of the water to smear liberals. Of course they defend this as "insights" which don't belong in a serious encyclopedia to begin with.... --Crazyswordsman 02:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I love how TK thinks he can put in his opinion along with "factual" statistics. It's against Cp Commandments / Guidelines to post opinions on any place except Talk/User/Debate pages. And through reading the article, it says "Younger Americans are slightly less enthusiastic about living in America than their elders". 02:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He misses all the fun stuff out of the source .. naturally. Worm  (t  08:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)  Fifty percent (50%) of Americans believe hate is growing in America following the murders of a doctor who performed late-term abortions, a military recruiter and a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Museum. Thirty-five percent (35%) disagree.

To quote TK "Just 11% (most likely all liberals) say they would not choose to live in America."

Let's see... is it liberals who
 * constantly argue that America is wicked for allowing abortions and stem cell research?
 * insist that we're sliding into the horrors of socialism?
 * claim that they're massively persecuted because of their faith?
 * absolutely loathe the current president?
 * at least considered Rick Perry's suggestion that Texas secede to be a reasonable idea?

Feh. If a Christian theocracy was established on some island somewhere, American conservatives would move there in droves. MDB 11:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Narr, it'd be the wrong sort of Christianity for 90% of them. 15:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I fully support the Texas Secessionist movement. --Gulik 18:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Someone is deleting pageviews...
cp:Law Terms D and cp:Arbitrary inference has page views mysteriously disappeared (without affecting the total). Can someone look into it? 04:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * found it. Someone apparently don't want them on the popular pages list.   04:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * cp:Law Terms C is very close though. &#42;bumps Arbitrary inference up to 15k&#42; 06:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, no! cp:Law Terms D was doing so well... Imagine how many pageviews it would get if it actually listed some actual terms. Defendant? Decree nisi? Death penalty? Dick Tracy?-- 09:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * One has to remember that Schlafly is the site owner and has developer status so he knows exactly what is going on. I don'think he realised what was going on at first but the SDG archives do record him mentioning an unusually large number of page counts from one area. He has been quite happy to accept the bumped pageviews knowing full well that they are bogus because it enhances the status of CP - in his Eagle Forum interview he boasts about having over 76m page views. However, he doesn't like to have joke pages hanging around the top 20 because it looks too contrived. High page-view count articles have been frequently deleted and recreated before and some of the fringe homosex articles were downgraded. What he has done though is command his sysops not to delete & recreate any of the so called "flagship" articles as he is quite happy to have 4.7m views for Atheism and 3.3m for Homosexuality, so that he can brag about these having high counts despite knowing full well that they are bogus views. Mentioning 1 million views for Goat or Law Terms D would only make him look foolish. Although the top 9/10 homosex-related articles attracted much mirth in the blogosphere and some of the mainstream media it actually generated a lot of genuine traffic for CP, even if it was only just people who couldn't believe the insanity of the place and needed to see for themselves. I think he was genuinely disappointed when he lost 10 million views with the MediaWiki upgrade. However, as much as likes to blog about liberal deceit his own rejoicing in the pageview count is deceitful and he jolly well knows it. 11:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What was law terms D up to? --Opcn 00:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought I saw it in the top 5, so 800k? 01:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Linking to the news
In every way, shape, and form I stand against what this judge has proposed, and yet there's a part of me that would love to see it go through, just because of the way that it would destroy Conservpaedia's front page (or, even better, getting to see AndyPandy being prosecuted and screaming "FAIR USE! FAIR USE!" all the way to Conservapedia's 'bankruptcy').--Precumming Storm 14:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've long been of the opinion that one of the major legal problems we have now is that the law has not caught up with the digital world. Such a law would be the exact opposite: it would force the digital world to conform with a law that has not yet caught up with it.
 * That being said, it would be hilarious to watch it destroy Conservapedia. MDB 15:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It'd just drive all the blogs to non-American hosts - think of all that revenue going to the rest of the world. 15:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What a horrifying thought. This would to do newspapers what the prosecution of mp3 downloads did to the music industry.  All this will do is drastically cut down on page hits for US news sites.  I don't know how they can claim that a link is infringing upon a copyright, though, any more than me showing an article to a friend does.  What a pile of idiocy.
 * I would like to point out that as much as I dislike Conservapedia, I would not wish for them to be shut down by something like this. Corry 23:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

It is liberal deceit...
... to make a posting at MetaWiki claiming to be ASchlafly.

Yes, even if all of the quotes were something the AssFly has said, or almost certainly would say. MDB 14:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And the Jinxter proudly crows that he beat us to the punch by registering his own name. As if anyone would want to impersonate him.  If we need to talk about large phalli, we can do it under our own name!--WJThomas 21:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Jpatt ferrets out the fake christians, praise jezus
Jpratt has such peering insight into the faith of a user whose entire editing history consists of a single instance of disagreeing with CP's presentation of Ayn Rand, an atheist, as such a saint, then taking umbrage at an all too typical personal attack from Schlafly, that he can call the user a "Troublemaker / Prevaricator: fake Christian."

Jpatt, TK, Karajou. The baseless personal attacks are sickening. I won't WIGO this kind of shit because it's not funny, new, or enlightening. But Jpatt needs an article that's not in the funspace. He's at least 1/4 of the reason CP is a viper's nest of hate. 16:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh you would love to know what TK thought about who Chrisitians were and who they associate themselves with... but alas, I promised not to tell a soul... except Andy and my fiancée. 18:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How does Andy's online crazy compare to IRL? &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 18:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Jpatt 1/4 the reason CP is a viper's nest? Nah--he's just a wanna-be. He doesn't have the meat to be first-string. He's the waterboy.--WJThomas 21:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

TK probing MAC addresses?
In this, TK acts as though he can identify individual computers, not just the IP address through which they operate. Of course, he's probably lying, as usual. And I note that the user "Sam" to which he seems to refer was deleted back in 2007. Though there is a "SamH" that still hasn't been banhammered.

Is it possible to get the network ID of the computer itself? Do proxies and TOR cloak this? Gauss 18:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Checkuser only gives the IP address and all other user accounts under that address. 18:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure he thinks same IP = same comuter. The MAC address that he could see would be that of whatever LAN, not the NIC. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 18:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * What TK is actually doing is only inferring that it's the same computer. Your IP address is not the only piece of information that you give out you also transmit the OS and the browser versions and they often use that information as corroboration when they are comparing IDs. Not foolproof by any means, but they accept it as more circumstantial evidence. 18:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting to add that to the Parodists Guide to Villainy - use different browsers for your socks and if you have a spare PC keep a different OS version on it. 19:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Almost makes me want to investigate Terry Koeckritz... &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 19:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That bit about the browsers is interesting indeed. I just checked with IE, and it seems I've only received an autoblock of a few hours. I guess I can create another account just for fun. 20:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to change browser / OS, just change your user agent string. 20:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Neato. I just did this on FF. Will someone with checkuser on RWW check my last login and repeat the user agent string to me by email for thee testings? Much obliged. Go here to test you user agent string.  21:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to use multiple OSes, may I suggest installing VirtualBox? It will even mount ISOs as CD drives, so you can install 'Box, download e.g. ubuntu's ISO, and mount and install it into a 'Box image. You could ditto that for various flavors of Win, linux, multi browsers, etc... all within one install of 'Box. 24.22.135.175 05:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Update active users
20:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just up-dated (updated?) RationalWiki:Active users.
 * I'll postpone CP's up-date for a couple of days due to real life ;-)
 * Anyone interested in something similar for aSK?
 * Does aSK still have active users? Totnesmartin 22:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just RuyLopez, RuyLopez, PJR, Bradley, and RuyLopez. The site is growing rapidly. 23:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What's SK? Ruylopez is a dear old friend I've haven't seen in a long time.  RobS 00:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * NR, you forgot Sterile and RuyLopez. 00:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Rob, A Storehouse of Knowledge is PJR's new wiki project. 00:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * In case you don't know Rob, RuyLopez is the painfully obvious sock of 🇰🇪. -- 01:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, RuyLopez answers to Ken and defends the homosex articles. Seems like a metaphysical question whether he's a sock if he hasn't appeared as Conservative on PJRblog, a psychiatric question whether he's sane, and a question for his homosexual reparative therapist whether he can be cured of his dirty itchy desires. 14:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean he's not the RuyLopez of WP, of which was said "A full listing of all this person's misdeeds would exhaust us all? Sources say he is in reality this man.  RobS 03:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's not that guy. It's Ken.  05:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh noes, I ranked 3rd in recent edits per day! Ouch.   01:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CUR has been retired for 2 or 3 weeks and he still ranks 4th so I wouldn't worry about it too much. 02:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And is the picture going to be updated after the data for CP comes in? I still haven't got my name on the picture.   02:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why is Pibot crossed out and has no edits? 02:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He's crossed out by chance: when I looked up the data, he happened to be blocked...
 * He has entries, just not before June 2008 02:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Bots should not be counted, methinks, although their user names give away their automatonictronalistic nature... 03:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's easier to include the bots. And there were some part-time botted editors botted IIRC.  07:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

You know what would be cool?
If items on the WIGO had a link to the relevant thread in the discussion.d &mdash; Unsigned, by: 99.250.97.108 / talk / contribs
 * They usually (almost always) are. It's the talk:wigo (here) where links are often missing, since they are at the wigo page itself.  Yeah, it gets old.  So does signing for BONs...  06:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Anorhweer things.. if i wasn't 604'd the whore tiem

What happened to WIGO aSK?
it seems to have been emptied out, ditto with its talk page. I realise things move fairly slowly there compared with the hurly burly of CP but surely they are not entirely comatose?&mdash; Unsigned, by: 131.170.90.2 / talk / contribs
 * Both still there for me. 08:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I had a problem the other day when browsing via a 3G connection, I presume a proxy vodafone was running was stripping the question mark from the end of the URL, even though it was URL encoded. I guess this comes from a coding error regarding the URL format http://foo.com/? is a valid URL that is equivalent to http://foo.com/, while http://foo.com/%3F is also a valid URL, but is not equivalent to the other two. Interestingly, WIGO CP already has a redirect minus the end question mark, so I don't know if someone else encountered the same problem. Anyway, check the name of the page you're being served has a question mark on the end or not. -- 10:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I get that problem a lot when socking via a proxy at CP - makes it hard to get involved in debates, which usually end in a question mark. --DogP Marmite Patrol 17:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

JDWPianist steps closer and closer to the edge
JDWPianist has been playing with fire for a while, and his current reasonableness over the Frankenwin is surely pushing him into TK's line of fire? I suggest he has overstepped the mark and is obviously really a liberal. --DogP Marmite Patrol 17:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't he Cute
TK's either trying to do logic, or he's decided that if you throw enough words at the screen, the victims people reading will go crossed eyed, pass out, and hit their head on the keyboard, thus allowing him to win the argument. 17:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC) PS, TK, you're still a giant douche, thanks for reading.
 * " And we aren't about Democrats or Republicans here, both get their fair share of disapproval from Conservatives." Never realised this before! There doesn't seem to be any mention of Dubya getting the lowest pass rate to get into the American Air Force on Conservapedia, but there's a detailed list of why Obama's probably a Muslim... Terry Koeckritz, you are a silly sausauge, aren't you? 18:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Lenski
I find it so funny how Andy's reminded us all of him behaving like a braindead twat by writing about Lenski on the front page. He really is a deluded moron if he thinks the general reception to what he did last year was positive. But obviously, there's no mention of RationalWiki on Conservapedia to refute his bullshit and lies. 16:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Andy is a Professor of Theobiology. Are you a Professor of Theobiology? Don't question little one. 87.198.252.66 17:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm amazed that he actually linked to the mail exchange. It's like he's trying to out-WIGO us. "So, you think you're the only ones who can link to my idiocy? Typical liberal underestimation!" --Sid 17:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hearty lulz, Sid. Bunchanumbas, I'm a Professor of Theobiology, Astrology, Biochemistry, Nuclear Mathematics and Anthropology, not to mention a world class glove-maker. Anyone can lie, seeeeeeee? 17:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You should not lie about being a glove-maker, you rotten librul.--TimS 18:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I also find it funny that Andy would bring this up considering that the only thing his article points out is a possible flawed test statistic, which changes nothing about the bacteria evolving. Perhaps if he were to question the quality controls for possible contamination then he might have a case, but a test statistic (not even a critical test either)... that is like pointing out a speck of dust on a painting.--TimS 18:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The "flawed test statistic" isn't flawed. The article he points to is basically a criticism of Lenski based on the results of a statistical test that was not used because it was not an appropriate test (and hence the results of the unused test are irrelevant).  When SJohnson first put that article up, a fair number of people with statistical experience tried to correct him, and he and Andy predictably just reverted all of the attempts.  What is more, the article misses a huge chunk of the Lenski paper that would render the conclusion he draws from his flawed statistical complaint ridiculous even if he were correct.  As to the quality control issue, Andy did claim that all the instances of Cit+ re-evolution during the contingency experiments in the paper were due to contamination.  However, to make the claim, Andy had to ignore the ways that Lenski checked to make sure there was no contamination, and he had to maintain ignorance of basic microbiological technique that is taught to students during the first week of any micro lab course.  So, Conservapedia is an all around fail on the Lenski issue.  Kaalis 20:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And you call me a liberal. Tcha!
 * But I concur with you nonetheless. Only a man as arrogant as Schlafly could possibly think another man would spend twenty years doing an experiment proving evolution and then hand over the proof to some two-bit lawyer and "educator". Andrew Schlafly is synonymous with idiocy. 18:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Time heals all wounds. It's long enough ago that he doesn't remember anything but the "points" he made. Their absolute crushing is lost in the mist. 19:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My favorite part was that after all those people pointed out Andy's assumptions were incorrect, trying to explain point by point why he's using the wrong method, evaluating the process again and again to show his reasoning is false... Andy just responds "well I don't see anyone finding any problems in my reasoning making me the winner!". WHAT? This is why Andy is the supreme king of trolls. --GTac 11:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, he's just a supreme idiot. 13:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I love how no one over there has noticed that they don't even have the names of all of the co-authors spelled correctly. That mistake is in a pretty prominent location, it has been there for months, and yet there it is, uncorrect. Says a lot for their rigor (or maybe it says something of the site's rigor, in another sense of the word), doesn't it? Kaalis 16:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Since we're talking about "TK vs. everybody"...
"Well, then, I shall present to you his on-the-record views, Herr Doktor!" - I keep wondering why RJJensen still sticks around. Surely, whatever happened at Citizendium can't have been worse than the constant "No, Doctor Historian, you're wrong. Let me teach you about Real US History and Politics." stuff he gets on CP... --Sid 18:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We mustn't exclude the possibility of Dr. Jensen trying to write a book and this is his idea to gather data/quotes/conversations.  18:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Best part of my day so far. And I dunno. I kinda frown when he goes "the article does a pretty good job of describing his nasty personality and vitriolic rhetoric". Guess that answers my "Why is he staying?" question... :/ --Sid 18:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny. RJJ just reverts TK's irreverant idiocy and continues like it wasn't there. And like a piece of shit bobbing up to tell you you're wiping your ass wrong, TK advises "you are forbidden to remove admin posts." They're all so odious I can't decide who to root for. 19:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter who wins, I'm just praying for injuries. --Kels 21:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that's easy.  We root for TK, for he is the one whose mission is closest to that of our own - making a laughing stock of CP and reducing its userbase. --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 19:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not our mission, or if it is I'm outa here. I thought the mission as relevant to CP was to expose and debunk anti-science, fundamentalism, and other irrational nonsense. Destroying CP would be to kill the goose who lays the golden egg. It's not good business for anyone. Also, CP is mostly irrelevant to all but us, so there's no point in talking big. 19:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * NEVER support or condone or indicate that we do, anything that the odious little squit does. He's a parasite on the internet who gets his jollies out of making others miserable. The man's an arsehole although not as useful. 19:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, OK OK OK OK, you're right, fine.  I've modified my comment accordingly. --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 19:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "You are forbidden to remove Admin posts" - Well, it's certainly nice to finally see a rule that also applies to Admins (because guess what RJJ is...)! --Sid 20:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * RJJ's gotta snap soon. Rob & TK onto his case? 20:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It just occurred to me that the phrase "radical-left MSM" is a hilarious oxymoron if you actually think about it. --Gulik 04:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

New user, Phenylala-whatever is blocked for making a template suggestion.. and TK wipes the records... 21:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

A message for TK.....
You know I have never really made a statement about TK, publicly anyway, but I think I might now. TK, if you are reading this then I want you to know....in fact, I am going to tell you something you already know. This isn't what I think of you, this is what we all, including yourself, know about you. You're a lying, scheming, bigoted, unintelligent scumbag who obviously has failed so pitifully in real life, so appallingly, that your only option to make yourself feel important is to take over a little known website by manipulating its owner (which is the owners own fault I might add) so that you may spread your miserable existence, your utter inability to cope in the real world, to others. By throwing your inordinate weight around you get your jollies but you can't hide what you really are. Even with all your over-sighting it is painfully obvious to all what you really are. A nothing, a nobody, a zero, a loser. The fact that you spend all day being a petty asshole to all and sundry just goes to prove that you have NOTHING else in your life. I would pity you if you were not such a mean spirited bastard. All you have to look forward to is to get bureaucrated on CP. And that is a sad thing indeed. What is even sadder is that you know I am telling the truth but you'll deny it to your own face rather than face the failure that you have become. Ace McWickedi9 21:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Too long, Ace: he'll never read it. Concise version: TK, You're a spiteful loser!. 21:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course he'll read it. He loves that stuff.  The more people talking about him, especially outraged people (or at least ones he can pretend are outraged), the more he loves it.  If it weren't for RW as an "audience" with the predictable responses when he does something particularly scummy, I imagine he wouldn't bother with CP at all.  He would have gotten bored with it ages ago, but oh does he love it when his public writes about him! --Kels 04:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I have had my voice heard. Now I'll never speak of it again. I wasn't outraged, it was just a press release. Ace McWickedi9 05:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ace, that's incredible! That's almost the exact thing my mother said when I explained the whole TK situation to her. >.> 00:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We're talking about Terry Koecritz here, right?  I just wanted to check that it was a Terry Koeckritz-related piece of news and/or blog information.   Carry on.  --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 05:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, we're talking about Ace's and KettleKickIt's mother's, um, relationship, you silly troll. 06:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Blatant bullshit.
This just came outta nowhere. The user has never vandalised or anything. Another example of the liar lying. Ace McWickedi9 00:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but they must have edited Wikipedia or something: "Member of a website supporting vandalism"? 01:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehehe or maybe he's on Bansky's mailing list. Ace McWickedi9 01:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * hahaha I got a shout out. Oh TK, I could never have a bad when I think of a lonely old nobody like you! Ace McWickedi9 01:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * TK made my evening with that flurry of absolutely disgusting skulduggery. Oh, TK. You're the fucking king of creeps. How can you even stand it? Did your dad beat you too much on one side of your head? Were you jilted a time too many? Cursed with a tiny penis? What is it man? Why do you despise yourself and the world so much? If you have kids, and I hope you do not, get right with them or they'll hate you for the rest of their lives. Most people who have anything to do with you already do. You are hands down the biggest piece of shit I've encountered in years. 01:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever TK is doing to get under people's skin, it's working as of late. Did I miss something? Play TK off, keyboard cat. (take THAT!) [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  03:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not so much "under my skin" as "Making me feel disgusted for gazing upon his awful scribe" Ace McWickedi9 04:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Under My Thumb... delightful misogyny. Apologies, all. 04:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah... that would be because of me, I think. Poor bugger linked to my blog as a reference (see "hee hee" above) and in what passes for TK's mind, he's therefore guilty by association. PS TKunt, there's also user:Afrikaner on CP... gosh... he must also be me, because you know, there can only be one user from one location, right, you moron. But we all know it's part of your plan to drive editors away from CP. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at the deletion reason he gave, it's clear he's following his usual pattern - whoever has pissed him off here gets a shoutout when the butthurt one over there blocks and deletes some innocent to make himself feel better. I've had a few of those too. Just shows how fragile that little wanker's ego really is. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Spread the love...
12:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * on top of the pic, you'll find the number of blocked editors per month, and in brackets the percentage of infinite/indefinite blocks
 * in the gray area, these numbers are visualized :-)
 * keep in mind that the y-axis for the boxplots is logarithmic!
 * thanks to User:Pibot July 2009 is even now in the top 5 of the months with the most blocks...
 * have fun!
 * LArron, you have done it again. Hats off to you my friend. Ace McWickedi9 12:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It's nice to find some appreciation - especially without the usual qualifiers á là Why am I not mentioned, When is the pic updated, What's wrong with... 19:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Push to 100M by on July 4 5 Status Page
I spent the last couple hours cobbling together a bot to monitor the CP statistics page and provide an ongoing report about how we are doing. The stats are updated every minute and the current rate of progress is based only on the last hour of data. Currently we are lagging far behind. Fedhaji 12:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't need stats updated every minute. Oncce a day is sufficient. Otherwise it floods our recent changes and I'll have to vandalbin it. 12:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I requested it be flagged as a bot, which means that it shouldn't clutter up RC at all. Fedhaji 12:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's better. But it still doesn't need to update every minute. Surely hourly would do? 12:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have changed it to every hour, averaging over the past day. I intended for it to be fairly quick to respond to changes in the overall rate, but I guess you are right. Fedhaji 12:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Anybody know if history views count as page views in this context? Mountain Blue 12:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We need WesleyS back over there, categorizing and finding links for orphaned pages. They would have easily hit 100M views already.   13:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no idea what you're talking about. What am I missing? Mountain Blue 13:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When I was at CP, as WesleyS, I made like 8500 edits in 5 months.  13:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I had my computer running all night, viewed 15,000 pages, is there any chance the bot could be modified to feed out when we will finish at this rate? --Opcn 14:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not a communist or anything but I don't really understand the point in this. Is it just for a bit of a laugh? I would have thought if they reach 100M Andy will be the one laughing? I feel sure I'm missing something obvious here. StarFish 15:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's to see Andy's reaction. 100 million site views will instantly gratify and embolden him. It will become serious business, and the true insightz will flow like wine.


 * I was thinking about notifying local New Jersey news networks. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 16:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What, are you from New Jersey? 16:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but I was thinking that might not come up... "Hi, I'm calling to report the wild success of New Jersey local Andrew Schlafly's on-line encyclopedia, which recently surpassed the amazing milestone of up serving 100 million page views of Christian, family-friendly truth. I thought it might be appropriate for you to do a story on this local hero." Something to that effect. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 16:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I do not condone any sort of wandalism / page bumping. That said, one should recall Andy's consternation when the last wiki upgrade was done. The page count is stored individually for each page, and for the site. Different counters - but they get updated at the same time. When a page is deleted, it doesn't reduce the site counter by that much. However, when the wiki software is updated, the site counter is set to the sum of the page counters. Andy was a bit disappointed to see the page count for the site drop (I think he called it a liberal counting scheme or something like that, though by all accounts, it is likely a more conservative one). If one was to bump the site count with a page that would be deleted for having too high a page count and Andy trumpets the 10M number, when the software is upgraded and it drops below 10M (anyone want to do the actual count? I know a number of high volume pages have been deleted) we can once again enjoy his disappointment at dropping below another imaginary number. --Shagie 16:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * For those of you wondering I use firefox with the iMacros add on, I set the macro to go to )i.e. click on) random page every time a page finishes loading. I also went under the edit menu to preferences, then to the content tab, and shutoff pictures javascript and java and that speeds it up and uses less bandwidth --Opcn 16:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it doesn't really matter, but I'd try to be a bit moar discreet. "If I was going to bump page views, this is how I would do it...etc...but of course, I wouldn't do that". &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 16:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, should those of us who might or might not be operating clickbots spread out the traffic among a number of pages or aim en masse for a single page (such as Law Terms D, per above discussion)? In the interest of traffic maximization in the face of burning, I think we should spread it out, but inflating a single embarrassing page of our choosing has a certain appeal. Also, is there a page (or pages) that contribute to view count but minimize server load? The number of views we might or might not be generating is around 4/sec, and we do not want to bring the site down or degrade it significantly. Fedhaji 17:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In the interest of reducing bandwidth consumption on both ends, disabling image loading is an excellent route (especially if you're using Firefox & ReloadEvery, for example), or not accessing monstrous pages like Evolution or Alger Hiss. 17:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

100 mil? cratcratcratcratcrat oh pleeeeeeeeeeez! 17:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Law terms D is a great target largely because there is so little on the page, but I think perhaps the whole law terms list might be a good idea. Just now D with out pictures took 2 seconds to load, I, C, and K all load in under half a second. If we tried with Alger Hiss then we would crash out the server and no one wants that, I used to hate the CP server, the one that was slow as mud, I do not want to recreate that experience for others. --Opcn 17:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Aren't we aiming 100 Mil on July 4th instead of by that day? 17:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. I am not sure how to manage this, though. I propose that everyone stops at, say, 6 hours before we hit the 100M mark, whenever that is, then we can sit and cool our jets until midnight EDT, July 4, and then make the final sprint in the early hours of the 4th. If I invested some time in making a nice GUI-licious downloadable tool to automatically do clicks and manage this throttling, would people download it? Fedhaji 17:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As we get close to 100M we can slow down, if its the 3rd and we are at 97M there is so way we can make it --Opcn 17:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't stop too close to 100M, as there is (surprisingly) actual web traffic on the site that may cause 100M to be achieved too early.  17:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Having this occur on the 4th of July is a must. It will push Andy into a patriotic state of delirium...he will be completely overcome. The ensuing insights will be priceless. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 17:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I am changing the section title now. 17:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot back up
Bot was not tolerant of occasional HTTP errors and went down. Now it is back. Fedhaji 17:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Minor issue
I'll preface this by whining about how I'd don't approve of this sort of thing, especially using the wiki to discuss it. Which isn't to say that I don't find the goal funny. With those delightfully contradictory statements out of the way, aren't DoS attacks illegal? Not that this is one, and people are even actively trying to make sure they don't break the CP server (well, someone mentioned it, at least), but the activities might look like a DoS thing, which might have repercussions. I'm probably wrong, of course. I do acknowledge that this isn't "vandalism", or "trying to mess up a website", by the way. The "plan" is to actually give the site owner some more of what he likes to boast about, as far as I can tell. 19:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I mentioned that earlier. It's an awful lot of trouble to make Andy smile. --Kels 20:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe the current pace is just fine to satisfy the goal and the server's response is well within normal limits. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 20:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was curious about the legality as well. I don't think they're illegal in the US, but they are in Sweden and the UK. In any event, your ISP can get rid of you for doing it. Are there guidelines for what's appropriate for number of requests per second? 20:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. I clicked on the next CP link I saw and got "503: The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." Coinkydink, I'm sure, but still...  20:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw that. But it's back up now. Fedhaji 20:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was having a hard time reading articles because of that. I'm glad CP is back so I can keep reading. 21:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Slow Down!!
I just got a 503 error on 7 out of 10 tries, we have to slow down, even if we cannot make it. Anyone who is working with random pages, or with 🇰🇪's homosexual anthologies has to stop permanently, stick to small pages please. Keeping CP up is more important than reaching 100M by the 4th --Opcn 21:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Andy is making threatening noises
This may just be a coincidence, but a half hour ago Andy created this, talking about the illegality of bots. He seems to be bothered by our 4th of July celebration. Now we've been through this before&mdash;it's in the archives somewhere&mdash;but CP is not a "protected computer" in the sense of Federal law. Also, there is no "intent to defraud", and there is no "obtain[ing] anything of value", and the value, if there were any, is not "more than $ 5,000", and that there is no intent to "obtain or alter information in the computer that the accesser is not entitled so to obtain or alter". But other than that, Andy is, as usual, right on target. Gauss 01:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Andy read your own rules:

The operation of unauthorized wiki-bots is prohibited*. *Search engine and read only bots are exempt from this Commandment. To get authorization please post a note on User_talk:Aschlafly, stating what the bot will do, what username it will be under, and whether you have a working prototype. Bot owners are responsible for their bots' actions.
 * They are read only bots, but seriously if you are going to do this you can't interfere with the normal, smooth operation of the site. So keep the clicks down to a pace where you can't be reasonably accused of a DoS attack. 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also it says "exceeded authorized access", requesting a page does not exceeded authorized access, as any one can do that. 02:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not a coincidence, TK told him the ebil librul vandal site was gonna run scripts to muck up his site. Who knows how much "truth" was involved in what TK told Andy, since We all (us and TK) know Andy doesn't read here, but presumably, Andy and others have been seeing the 503's too, and are konfused. TK explained. This reads like an episode of Schlafly Doo. But it's what is really happening. 02:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems plausible. Also, we now have this. Fedhaji 02:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think:

Defendants need to something more than merely using a public website in the manner it was intended to be liable under the CFAA.
 * might be applicable but I don't understand what it means. ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT? 02:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, he has yet to respond to my formal complaint of accusation of fraud on his site by a senior admin... f'ing twerp. Certified letter goes out Monday if he ain't on it...  03:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, you can do that (Complaining to whom? Send a legal demand letter to Andy demanding to remove your name from the site? I would be surprised if he actually cares) ?  No wonder everyone want to graduate from Law school.   17:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Seriously though... would Andy really want to risk FBI II? Mountain Blue 03:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Has Andy paid/lost anything of monetary value due to the FBI incident? I don't think so.  Since this is FREE, I think he doesn't mind doing it again.   14:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Would the FBI really care? I highly doubt it, I mean they would have to look into the complaint but any amount of researching would point to this not being a DoS attack or anything of the sort. Alot of wackos, CP included, make claims to the FBI and are filed in the wacko pile. No fear gents, gman has limited reasources and tends to spend them on more important issues. As long as WE keep it civil, we are golden.--DylanB 04:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * K: I don't think Andy has lost anything tangible; you don't need a lawyer to report people to law enforcement. Andy seems to be pretty embarrassed by the whole thing, however; even mentioning the FBI incident over at CP means instant banhammer. For some reason or other Andy understands how much he's humiliated himself with this particular fuckup, and I don't see him wanting to repeat the experience. Mountain Blue 05:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Andy lost his marbles late December 2008 when he decided to let Terry Koeckritz back into the asylum. 22:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

(UI) Moar Threatening noises from Andy. 02:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing is, refreshing isn't considered a DoS attack (was taught this in Routing I CCNA, Systems Analysis, and Web Design I). I think we're safe on that part as well. 20:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

A certain article has surpassed another certain article in page views on a certain website
Cheers to whoever's responsible for that. 16:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I kindly request that moar attention be paid to cp:Homosexual Obsession. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 16:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hard to dump hits onto Homosexual Obsession at a substantial enough rate to matter without beating the server up. Sorry. 70.228.38.134 17:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is a little larger. Thanks for the consideration. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 17:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The index pages are the best bet (things like Law Terms, Chemistry Terms etc). They are only few bytes as they have nothing on them. 08:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relatively speaking. They still have a lot of Mediawiki boilerplate on them. Fedhaji 11:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Look through Ed Poor's contributions, you should find some good stubs there. 13:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at the dead end pages, there are few pages with only a category, no content whatsoever. I'm currently bumping John III. Bumped it up 1000 places so far. o.o 08:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * cp:Sound is quite a good one.-- 08:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Judging by the bot report you guys'll have to double the rate to achieve this. So close...! I would like to contribute - who can lend me a program to do it? 194.6.79.200 15:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I've noticed, regular refreshing doesn't work. You have to do CTRL+F5 to renew the cache of the page in order for it to work (this was tested using one page and checking its pageview count continuously). I'm using jitbit MacroRecorder to do CTRL+R (since Opera doesn't use CTRL+F5). I've bumped John III up from 31k to 9k so far, but that's only 800 pageviews.
 * Jitbit's MacroRecorder. You can get a trial program (lasts 28 days). To use: after installation, go into settings and change some stuff like, unclicking the box that says "record mouse movement" or something like that. You would also want to change the speed to low (because you can't refresh too quickly either). Set the loop count to 0 for infinite looping. Then, go to the page you want to refresh, press CTRL+R (activates recording), and press CTRL+F5, then press Scroll Lock (stops recording). View the steps that the program has recorded and make sure to save the macro for later use.
 * Then, minimize the jitbit window, go to the page you want to refresh, and press CTRL+P (starts playback). Finally, leave your computer running. NOTE: If you try to do any other tasks on that computer, it will screw up your intended purpose of pushing pageviews. Make sure to press Scroll Lock or CTRL+P again to quit the macro. I hope this helped 18:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you don't mind being close to 4th July already, iMacro addin for FireFox might be helpful as well. Things to stir up more lulz: check the popular pages for two short article to rotate/clear.   00:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Stat bot offline
As you may have noticed, the stats bot has been offline for several days. I have not brought it back online because of family problems that take priority over trolling. If someone else wishes to operate it, drop me a talkpage message. Fedhaji 11:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Status Update Question
Are we confident enough to have like 2.5 million page views done in this 4 days? It's getting close. 01:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because I can only contribute about 5k views in 4 hours--I blame my slow connection on this one. 02:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you guys may have done something, there's a definite spike and then a tail off according to Alexa. And what articles are you attacking refreshing? 12:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am doing law terms C,D,E,F, starting yesterday kind of (right after Andy deleted the page views of D and Arbitrary inferences). Oh wait a minute.  I think I got rid of Alexa on my computer though (nLite?)   13:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A word of advise, don't draw attention to the articles you are bumping by mentioning them. The young these days, I don't know. 13:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I more or less only care about getting 100M on July 4th. they can recreate the article for all I care (we can always add views on other articles after).   13:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was doing less than 200kb articles that were found around rank 31200. 02:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was curious so I checked where it's at, about 98,358,598, almost a cool mil ahead of Andy's 97,500,000 front page brag. Looks like it's in sight? 1,700,000 in a day and a half or so?  Even 48 hours and it's still July 4, but late in the day he might not notice it.  01:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also amusing on the statistics pages: "active users" (have made an action in last 7 days) - RW 138, CP 128.  01:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Correction, Human: CP 127.   17:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That, or CP has a 1 editor/16 hour loss rate right now.  17:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Have you received a thank-you card from Andy for giving him more stuff to brag about yet? --Kels 17:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Hammertime
I can read about 2.5 random pages per second, or 9k random pages per hour, pretty much indefinitely. My scripts currently read edit (well, "view source" for me) forms because wiki code is more useful to me than HTML. Do these reads count as pageviews? I can't really tell from the statistics page. Mountain Blue 03:24, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. -- 03:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Crap. How do find out? Mountain Blue 05:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

EVERYONE! Chill the fudge out! 04:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * 99,116,935 and not much time left. Oh well.  Oh, and "active users" is up to 136 at CP (and ours is up to 139).  It's a crappy metric, of course.  05:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)




 * What's the problem, Kek? Just tell your script to retry on 503 (or 500). Works for me. Nothing else did. Hammertime. Mountain Blue 05:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't use scripts, just a macro that goes off every 5 seconds. 05:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What you mean macro? I can mail you my script if you like. It's Python. I know it runs on Linux and all three major BSDs. I don't think you'd need more than five minutes to port it to Windows. Mountain Blue 05:34, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just recorded my keystrokes of CTRL (down), R (down), R (up), CTRL (up)... and I have that play continuously. And I checked again, it refreshes every 2.3 seconds. My lappy is close to overheating though. It's at 53oC 07:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 99,145,287 at 06:05, that's just barely 30,000 per hour, or slightly over 30 hours to go. I have a bad feeling about this. I could open up some more but every other request I make gets me a 5xx response already. There's diminishing returns here. Mountain Blue 06:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just do it. If he notices on Sunday 7/5 he won't know exactly when the clock ticked over.  Merkins look at holiday weekends as one big glommy holyday anyway.  06:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Right. 99,174,987 at 07:05; that's still about 30,000 completed and registered page views per hour. I'll try reasonably hard to keep this up, but I won't be able to supervise it very closely over the next twelve or so hours. It's Saturday evening here in NZ and RL is interfering, hard. I'll prolly be back by tomorrow 9 am, by which time it will be Saturday 5 pm in Andyland. Mountain Blue 07:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 99,560,923 at 4:20 (16:20) EST. 20:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Update
It's still the Fourth of July in Wasilla, Alaska, and it will be for 9.5 more hours. We need about 43k pages per hour to make it but I think there's hope. I'm now running two machines with 12 wikipounders each, and I've configured my script to only access articles known to be less than 12k. These pages are within a couple of percent of Law Terms D, but there's OVER 9,000 of them (more than 11k, in fact), so no probable form of caching could plausibly prevent me from increasing the counter. I've also switched on gzip compression for the extra moar. Mountain Blue 22:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I've joined the gang, I clicked Random Page until three clicks later I found a brilliant stub page.  It's not like there's a shortage of them.   If we can get this happen by the time Andy gets done with fireworks it would be AWESOME.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 23:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, now two machines working on it. The first stub I found had a link to another one.   Very simple this. --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 23:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it will be enough if he wakes up to it tomorrow morning, say by 8-9 EST, so there's still 12 hours. 99,656,894 now. It's gonna be hard to get 350,000 hits, my last calculations showed an approx 20,000 an hour increment, as said, it needs to be 30-40k.  People really seem to want to read what CP has to offer lately!  23:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CP's popularity on the internet is increasing! --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 23:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My quicky spreadsheet prediction shows CP hitting 100,000,000 around 7 AM EST Sunday, and a fairly steady 30k/hour. What on earth has led to such pwnage of the evolutionary paradigm on teh innertubez???  01:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ole! ole! ole! Evolution has been skewered! Ace McWickedi9 01:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

(undent) Yes, we've been doing between 28,300 and 32,700 pages per hour for the last day or so. I have bandwidth for a lot more, but Crazypedia seems to be maxed out. If I open more floodgates I get hyperbolically longer loads and more errors to boot. The bottleneck seems to be their database, not their bandwidth; gzip compression for the on-the-wire data had close to zero effect. Guess we should have started earlier. Mountain Blue 01:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I left mine running while I was away for the past 10 hours.. only earned 9k for whole time. It sucks. 69 minutes left (EST) 02:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, EST's been a lost cause for some time now. I hope against hope to make UTC-12; some of the US Minor Outlying Islands are in that zone so it's legitimate. We're still stuck at between 39,700 and 32,700 pages per hour though and I'm expecting a bad bandwidth hit any minute now. Mountain Blue 02:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm still seeing a chance of hitting the magic 108 before Andy eats his Sunday after the Fourth pancakes. Keep in mind, he's too stupid to know when it actually happened, he might not even notice until he gets back from church and makes his weekly Insight post.  This might even require a talk:main post to point out to him that his baby turned a hundred million while he slept... Now, if a whispering Iago tells him not to brag about the hits due to Lieberal deceit, how can he ever brag about them again?  His peepee will be tied up into his arsehole and he'll have no way to avoid penetration.  04:17, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you tie it up like that? I've been wondering for so long. 05:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We seem to have currently borked it, so I've turned my clickbots off for now.  Their server is melting down in regards to evolution on the internets!   Ole!   --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 05:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I turned my buggery bottery down somewhat, too. I killed one of the two boxen I talked about earlier. It lost me only 2000 pph out of the roughly 12000 pph I was still getting. We're still doing about 28900 pph total, though. Confirms my hypothesis about the database as the bottleneck and hyperbolically diminishing returns. Mountain Blue 06:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's hope the fans of CP keep the 30k/hour loading going. Right now is 99,935,118, they're on track to make Andy a pretty pancake breakfast surprise!  Ole ole ole!  08:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Well, Maybe.
Roughly 60,000 pages to go, at about 30,000 pages per hour, and two or three hours to go depending on how you count (there are US possessions with people on them in UTC-11 and US possessions with no people on them in UTC-12). We might just make it. Mountain Blue 09:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

99,940,328 at 10:00 pm American Samoa time, for the record. Mountain Blue 09:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 99,945,687 at 5:16 AM EST. Andy is asleep still, the fans of CP look like they are going to drive it over 10000000000000 well before he wakes.  Shall we serve it to him with crumpets and lox?  09:17, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...you can see the server?  I can't get to CP at all, not since late last night?   I just get PHAILURE.   --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 15:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The CP webmaster appears to have blocked the IP addresses of clickbots and certain vandals and proxies on the server side. 20:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, much as I thought.  Hurray!   I'm finally unable to look at that pile of poo any more, in some ways I feel tremendously liberated.   However, I'll just have to check from one of the many wireless networks I'm surrounded by that my neighbours kindly let me use - and which are provided by at least three different ISP's.   Perhaps I can get my block a little larger?   How about a nice /16?   In recent weeks, I've managed to get what is probably the entire customer base of a certain European ISP banned from accessing CP.   That was fun.   Maybe I can take out my entire neighbourhood (city?) now and save them the horror of accessing that monstrosity of garbage?   --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 21:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, problem solved by sharing a neighbour's ISP (a different ISP than my own). Now standing by for lulz.  --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 23:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you know that certain IP's have been blocked is there a list somewhere? 16:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Still not updating
Assfly has been withholding the updates since you know when, and it's been well over 100 million page views. I wonder what has happened to him. 14:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Awards Certificate
I haz maded them a Awards Certificate. Happy 100m pageviews Andy! --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 16:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This Awards Certificate from a vandal/troll site is available to be offered up to Andy at Imageshack, in case anyone wants to present him with his award.


 * Just for everyone's information, the 100m views occurred at 11:14 GMT and I have a screen cap which I'll upload. 18:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems others can load CP - I still can't load a single page?  Are you all able to load that infernal website?   Why am I being singled out for a Sunday lacking in insights?   --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 20:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on passing the line, even if you were 7 hours late. Now to watch Mainpageleft religiously. As for His Schlaflyness's notice of your achievements, we have the following: Fedhaji 20:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Is Andy posting an email here or simply having multiple personality problems?
 * Dishonest comment?


 * You haz maid a very niec uward DogP! 21:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

What we have actually achieved
It just occurred to me what we have actually achieved here is robbing Andy of his big moment. He probably has been eyeing off that 100,000,000 for along time, since he past 50,000,000, but now it means nothing because it was achieved with an elaborate page bump operation. We have taken what should have been a defining moment in CPs history and reduced it to a joke. Well done everyone. 01:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct.  I believe he'll update the main page numbers in a few days with barely the most passing mention as a result.  Hurray!  --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 01:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh... hasn't that kinda been the idea all along? Mountain Blue 01:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * EC--No--TK will nuke the obviously-bumped pages(PAINFULLY clear on the "popular pages" list) to bring the count down to a point where it will reach the magic number when all of this has been forgotten....TheoryOfPractice 01:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The overall page count will remain until they do something such as upgrade the mediawiki software. 1.15 is out now so they may do it soon. I know Nx has been looking at the upcoming vector graphics version. 01:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, remember that we've spread out our hits over 13,651 different articles (all articles shorter than 12,000 characters when translated to HTML) specifically to avoid that. We even posted a screenshot demonstrating we were not targetting any particular article. They wouldn't possibly want to reset half their articles, would they? Even if they would, we could simply hammer them again the next time they get close to 100M close to 50M two years from now. Mountain Blue 01:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree Pi. We totally spoiled his orgasm while watching the Playboy Channel (3 internets to anyone who gets that ref!)  03:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

demonstrating we were not targetting any particular article. Yeah--but there are three "Law Terms" in the top 20 now...totally obvious...TheoryOfPractice 04:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * None of my hits went to those articles.  I was more interested in obscure stubs about ancient historical figures...there's no point trying to fight the battle at top, I reckon, and so I went for the least visited stubbies at the bottom.    --<font color="#00F0A20">DogP <font color="#993300">Marmite Patrol 04:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Video games
I don't know what he is talking about. If video games influenced people the result of Pac-Man should be that we have an entire generation of people that standard around in dark rooms, with bright flashing coloured lights, listening to repetitive electronic music, whilst taking magic pills. 01:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's called public schooling. See what I did there? :D [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  01:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Shows how outdated they are. They just picked up on this now. Wait until they learn about games like Assassin's Creed. Anyway, how can two players dying of heart attacks be used against violent video games?--Nate River 01:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All of you missed the tunnel that connects the two sides of the room such that you can go from the left side of the room to the right side of the room by travelling left. It's the desire to find this tunnel that stem a bunch of scientists to look for things such as wormholes.
 * And then why the age of consent (age of the victim that get people accuse of statutory rape) is lower than the age rated for sexually explicit games, while the opposite happens for legally using guns killing people (The military has a age limit higher than the teen rated games, I think)?  01:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Phyllie and Scruff played Super Smash Bros. (for the N64) and they turned out fine. >.> 01:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * AS Jr = Scruff? 09:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yesh.. I didn't notice that I had said that. Dx 02:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly do they mean by violent video games? Are they talking about T rated FPS? Stuff like God of War, DMC and Assassin's Creed I understand (I actually have to show my ID when buying these where I live) but seriously. Parents have to look at the rating systems of games and understand that they are no longer simple distractions like the games they grew up with (my mom cannot understand why I still buy games, especially when I bought my PS3)--Nate River 01:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Tough computer game laws, you should try living in Australia. Games are sold in New Zealand with stickers on them that say "banned in Australia" as a marketing devise. 01:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, it works too. NZ has everything Australia wants but cant have. Like an intelligent populous, awesomely violent video games and better looking woman, like Helen Clark. Ace McWickedi9 02:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What about Julia Gillard? 03:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'd actually buy them with that kind of label. I'm nearly pissing myself reading the SCOTUS. If Andy could pass Harvard law, I actually think that I could. I'm still wondering which violent rating theey are talking about. Violence, cartoon violence, excessive or graphic? All of the above perhaps? Or just the ones with blood and gore? I cannot see them having difficulty with those FPS used by the US to promote the army. Hell, playing Ace Combat almost makes me want to join the air force--Nate River 02:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can pass law nearly any where else, you can pass it at Harvard. Most unis teach the same things (the god botherer ones being an exception). Harvard is just harder to get into, once you are there it is much the same course work. The difference between you and Andy is he has connections, although you are probably a bit smarter. 03:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Help me decypher this Schlafly-quote "Some claim that 2/3rds of videogamers are over 18 years old, but far more people are over that age and a much higher percentage of minors are videogamers" Teabag 03:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it means that Andy plays video games in his spare time (he's well above the age of 18), and I'm not sure about the second part.
 * I actually figured it out and it does make sense. Congrats Andy. Teabag 03:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I figured it out but it doesn't make sense. More than 2/3 of the general population (of the U.S.? World?) are over 18 years old, but the percentage of minors that play videogames is greater than that of adults, therefore less than 2/3 of those who play videogames are over 18 years old. What about an hypothetical population of 50 minors and 150 adults, where 10 minors (20%) and 25 adults (16.667%) play videogames? 03:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sure Andy would love Assassin's Creed. Kill a traitor, yayy! Kill an abortionist, yayyy! Kill a moslem, yayyyy! Kill a guy who burns books. Eh, bummer, burning books is cool - hope the next mission makes up for it... Kill a guy with a French-sounding name, yayyyyy! --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 13:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * its all statistics, say 1000 people in the world 300 of them gamers , that means that 200 are over 18 , thats 2/3 of the gamers, sp 200/700 =200/7 % = 28% of adults and 100/300 = 33% so percentage wise under 18 is bigger ... I think ...but that would mean he got a statistic right ;( Hamster 03:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But that's precisely what he was refuting. 04:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When is Andy teaching that math course again?--Nate River 04:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

"I trained for this day."
Karajou has some fun with his one-liners today. --Sid 20:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess Karajou doesn't understand the rules of "The Game". 20:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of when we go on blocking sprees here... except, of course, we block for minutes, and only block fellow sysops... at least he is putting some effort into enjoying his work. 20:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Next thing we know, Karajou is blocked for "silly block comments" 20:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * "DiarrheaFountain" is a perfect example of liberal hilarity which conservatives don't understand. Hilarious and tasteful humour. 10:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Where is that? Ahahaha DiarrheaFountain. Is that a user name? 16:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It suuuuuuuure is :D 10:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Concierge Medicine WIGO
This is the latest in a string of reasons why you should never trust the right wing's answers to health. It clearly is trying to make healthy life exclusively for the rich and powerful. These people seem to be making our answer seem like the WAY more common sense answer. --Crazyswordsman 00:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I hadn't heard that this was part of any "plan" as such. This has been a phenomenon in the last 8 years or so, mostly in wealthy areas.  It's never caught on near me (chronically depressed economy).  Basically, you pay a doctor a yearly fee, say 1000 bucks which puts them on retainer.  They still get to collect payments for individual services, but they take on far fewer patients and basically make themselves more available, e.g. anytime appointments, meeting you at the ER, no waits ever, snazzy office, etc.  The fee lets the doc take on fewer patients and treat them the way most doctors would like to if they weren't reliant on volume.  It's a practice that makes me squirm a bit, but not antithetical to fairness in health care, as long as those who cannot afford concierge care are still provided for.  -- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 00:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at it that way, it seems that it sounds acceptable. But still, HMOs shouldn't be telling doctors how many patients they have to be seeing, which is what happens under the current system. --Crazyswordsman 00:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but the concierge system makes the doctor a bunch of guaranteed cash, which offsets doing less procedures for money - 50 to 100 patients sounds reasonable to me, that's a lot of cash! Also, the HMO does not say how many patients a doctor must see, they limit how much time they'll pay for, right?  01:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Your money or your life" is supposed to be a cliched line in Westerns, NOT a public policy! --Gulik 04:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. 04:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I would look at concierge medicine as more of a symptom than a problem. The financial and lifestyle realities of primary care are an enormous deterrent to med students. Non-procedural primary care visits are billed to low that a doctor has to see a huge patient load in order to pay the bills- you get paid more to resect a lung cancer than you do to finally get your patient to quit smoking. You get paid more to perform a gastric bypass than you do to help your patient lose weight. You get paid more to amputate a foot than to control a patient's blood glucose. Surgeons deserve to be paid well for what they do, but primary care providers shouldn't be neglected. So because of volume demands we often see fifteen minutes per patient visit. Most people become doctors because they genuinely like people, are interested in them, and want to help them. Fifteen minutes is not enough. A concierge clinic allows a doctor to practice medicine the way they remember their childhood doc practicing. Is this fair? It's a good question. But this phenomenon is something we should pay attention to. Unless we fix primary care, we can't fix the system as a whole. Corry 06:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well put. 06:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Two things I should clarify: the above paragraph makes it look like I'm a physician. I am not.  I am a third year medical student.  Furthermore, reading above it appears that my only concern is money.  It is not, although financial pressures are undeniable.  If you attend a private medical school and finance your education through loans (like most everybody does) you almost can't afford to be a family doctor because of the debt load.  Corry 20:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree with corry that it is a symptom, although under any system, including single payer, this kind of arrangement will be attractive to patients who can afford it.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 00:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You know, the country I live in has a single-payer system as well. When my wife gave birth last year, she decided that it was important for her private OBGYN to be there during the birth, especially since a C-Section was looking necessary. It meant, necessarily, paying him a healthy sum under the table. Ironically though, since so many other things were free or reimbursed, we ended up paying much less than my sister, who gave birth in the USA a few months later. But I forget, socialized medicine causes rationing, and it kills people, so the USA's system is many times better. *Cough* Junggai 11:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)