Talk:Main Page/Archive13

Life in Cold Blood
The liberal, tax-funded, atheistic, evolutionist BBC has produced yet another brilliant wild-life series. Long live David Attenborough. As a child, my wife met him when he was making Zoo Quest in Paraguay but she cannot bear to watch this series as she has a phobia of frogs which she developed while growing up there. :( Genghis Marauding 17:16, 4 February 2008 (EST)

You disappoint me, RationalWiki
I found a blog, Thought Crimes, that has a series of entries about Conservapedia. I read these blog posts, and find myself disappointed with RationalWiki. All of our articles on Conservapedia deal in snark and ad hominem attacks on its contributors, and completely overlook what makes combating Conservapedia truly important. What makes Conservapedia worth fighting is not the petty, tyrannical sysops, nor the poisonous environment, but the denial and alteration of the truth, the idea that truth can be made to fit within ideological constraints.

Why can't we be at least as good as this one blog?

Relevant posts (in chronological order): Strangling Reason in its Crib, Conservapedia and The War Against Truth, Conservapedia and the Third Reich: Truth As Vandalism, Conservapedia and the McCarthy Vindication Myth, Conservapedia and Augusto Pinochet: The Merits of Mass Murder, and Why We Should Care About Conservapedia. -- 07:07, 5 February 2008 (EST)


 * I can see where you are coming from, but I take the opposite approach. I think that to deal with CP seriously is a bad strategy because it gives them a sort of perverted credibility.  The best service we do is to keep CP looking like what it really is, a far-right-lunatic-fringe-Christians-only blog.  --Edgerunner  76[[Image:Buddy christ.jpg|50px]] 08:50, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * I can see your point. Still, I feel those blog posts trump us in the writing department.  -- 08:56, 5 February 2008 (EST)

I read through a few of those blog entries, and they made pretty good reading. He kept mentioning unnamed "Conservapedia editors", but the writing of Rob Smith is pretty easy to spot. -DickTurpis 10:47, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * Meh, he may approach it more seriously, but Edgerunner has a point - I think that stuff like Samwell and the constant microanalysis and snark has actually hurt CP more than any argument and refutation could do. One only has to look at their arguing style to see. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * I also agree. These blogs seem to give too much credit to CP as a serious educational resource - if there were more than a handful of students, then - maybe - it'd be an issue. Far better to have a bit of fun at their expense and expose the foaming rants that we all enjoy from Andy and co. They do their own sterling job of ridiculing CP - all we do is highlight it for the rest of the world. Bondurant 12:36, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * I beg to disagree with the sweeping generalization, RA. "All of our articles on Conservapedia deal in snark and ad hominem attacks on its contributors" (emphasis added) is simply not true.  Certainly some do, but there are also many that analyze and refute their wingnuttery. Oh, and most of our "ad homs" are not the logical fallacy of attacking the bearer of an argument, but factual observations of the charcters themselves. human  14:24, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * Um, who writes the blog? User:PalMD
 * Oh, Pamela Troy is writing some of it...we've dealt with her before...she's quite good. User:PalMD

I do think we could benefit from more seriousness.... but I appreciate our lighthearted approach, too, and I think it has the tendency to matter more, coupled with some of our truly superb content (don't discount the essay namespace).- 01:22, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Hey
I'm new to wikis and everything about them, and I don't get what this place is about. Is this serious or parody? --Monotaxi 01:13, 6 February 2008 (EST)


 * Er, a mix, I suppose. I thought it was pretty clear when's what though, as opposed to with Liberapedia or Conservapedia. What's confusin' ya? Uchiha KATON! 01:16, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * A mix is the right answer. A lot of it's serious; a lot of it isn't.  Just like life.  Please add both :-) - 01:21, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Okay, I get this now. Liberapedia? I'll have to check that out.--Monotaxi 01:25, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Such a slight depresses me
Please don't say that docsock is one of them, please: --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * Dont look at me.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 17:32, 6 February 2008 (EST)

A project of mine
I would like to share it with you guys. pollcats.blogspot.com. Please digg & fave and come back often!- 17:22, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Hai guys
Sorry for breaking the wiki, I apparently had a capitalization error in the include directive I added… my apologies, it's corrected now. --Linus (plot evil tech) 23:49, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Heh! Susan Miouw  23:55, 9 February 2008 (EST)
 * hai. ktxbai. human  01:01, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh. I thought it was DickTurpis who broke the wiki.  -- 02:15, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * No no, try as I might, I have not the fortitude to break the wiki. DickTurpis 22:38, 11 February 2008 (EST)

If he is somehow elected President, one of us might have to do something drastic---Move to canada?
I just saw Mike Fuckabee on TV saying there are only 10 laws we need (10 guesses what he was referring to). Great. So it should be a crime to fuck a married woman, want your neighbor's possessions, or dishonor your abusive, alcoholic father, but putting a brick in a sock and beating some random fucker half to death with it is just fine (as long as you don't beat him fully to death, or rob him while he's bleeding on the sidewalk). If McCain picks this brain-dead piece of shit as his VP we have to invent some sort of deity to pray to that he survives 4 years. Is the South really this full of morons? I was really hoping it was just a stereotype. When are they going to secede and form their own ass-backwards theocracy so they can stop fucking up our country? DickTurpis 00:08, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Fraid they'd wanna take the rest of you with them!  Susan  Miouw  00:28, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Anyone mind if I mellow out the header a bit? Sheesh.  Hey, Dick, they want to ruin your chillens edumakation too - see the boston globe article I added to "according to" today.  This is the USA's tardy response to "we have cum for your daughters" 30 years ago.  To quote rip the fine WC (hahahahaha, nice inits!) "We will fight them in the science labs, we will fight them on their stupidity, we will fight them at our children's schools --- but we will never surrender!"  To think these tools claim his rhetoric for their cause.  It is a sad day.
 * PS See also: Ten Commandments, a RationalWiki joint. human  01:38, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, I agree. Whiny evangelical atheists are so much better than whiny evangelical Christians. And they make such emotionless, rational arguments as well! That's certainly not anything we see from those nasty Christians. To quote human: sheesh. Lurker 10:37, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Was that "kill the President" thing absolutely necessary? Now I'll probably have the CIA running all over the place again. :-( -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 10:41, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, he's not president (and isn't about to be). Besides, to quote English Bob: "Why, if you were to point a pistol at a King or a Queen, sir, I can assure you your hand would shake as though palsied...the sight of royalty would cause you to dismiss all thoughts of bloodshed and stand in awe. Whereas, a president... I mean, why not shoot a president?" DickTurpis 14:18, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Gotta hope he doesn't become mcc's running mate too - can you see him lasting a full term? Susan Miouw  10:47, 11 February 2008 (EST)

As to running mate selection for McCain - it won't be Huckabee: The theory is he should pick a republican governor (executive experience) who is female or Hispanic. One example would be Mary Jodi Rell of Connecticut. Similar philosophy suggests that Hillary would pick Bill Richardson as a running mate. --Shagie 15:24, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Two old grumpy white men running against a black and/or woman doesn't work well
 * Political commentators suggest that to win, McCain needs to pull blue states red - having a more wacko-conservative than him as a running mate would not accomplish this.
 * Hi, completely ignorant of US matters. Does the Vicepresident need to comply to all the requirements Presidents have? I mean, no GWB (two times President), no Shwartzy (born in an enemy country)? Editor at CPBring TK back 15:28, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes. (Originally, the VP was the candidate that got the second most votes in the election.) --Gulik 17:10, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Additionally, the vice president and the president cannot be from the same state. This dates back to the 'too much power in one states hands' debates of early American politics.  As a constitutional issue, Cheney is also from Texas and 'moved' to Wyoming just before being selected as running mate for Bush.  If you want to read about the fun of the historical politics, its in the 12th amendment. --Shagie 17:47, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Huckabee in Michigan
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view." User:PalMD


 * For lo! It came to pass that the whole world did change to conform with the beliefs of the mighty Huckabee. Susan  Miouw  11:57, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'd say it's easier to change the "words of the living God". You don't hear many churches talking about how slavery is Biblically approved these days.... --Gulik 17:11, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Second Amendment
Umm, the article linked to is from 2004. I'm pretty sure the online hunting thing hit a dead end right away. -Smyth 13:39, 11 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yup, you're right, sorry 'bout that.  And the actual site's dead too.   Weird - the story popped up on the BBC's news site on Saturday for some reason and, with typical liberal deceit, I neglected to check the date - I'll remove it.   If we get reports that mouflon sheep, blackbuck antelope or wild pigs are dying in huge numbers in Texas, we can re-add.   DogP  16:23, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Saint's day looming
Trust you lot of Male Chauvinist Persons have got Valentine Cards ready for Kels & Me! We will, of course be offended if you do send any 'cause its sexist, but more offended if you don't 'cause you don't love us. Gonna sleep now! Susan Miouw  22:22, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Only my mother gets Valentine gifts from me (there is nothing pathetic about that!) -- 22:46, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * I get Valentine's gifts from my mother... is that worse? Uchiha KATON! 23:04, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, I was only going to send them to Cracker and Godless Liberal. Youse two both got sig others to take care of your romantic needs! According to Says You, the biggest VDay card recips are: 1. teachers, 2. schoolkids, 3. mothers, 4. spouses, and 5. lovers.  So much for romance. human  00:36, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * I get Valentine's day cards from my grandma, but it doesn't look like my own family is sending me anything this year. I think I win the pathetic contest. Lurker 01:45, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Y'know, it was a lot simpler in elementary school, when everyone thought it was awesome to get and receive 50 cheap little Valentines with either ponies or Ninja Turtles on them (depending on gender of the giver). Actual romance makes V-day so damn complicated and expensi.....ehhh, on second thought, I won't finish that sentence.  Hi sweetie!--Bayesyikes 02:02, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * I always gave Star Wars-themed valentines. -- 03:00, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * I saw Godzilla-themed valentines once. Not the crappy American version, either. --Kels 20:32, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm not a Catholic so I tend to give all this saint stuff a miss. The only saint I had any time for was Ian St John. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis Marauding 04:11, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm not exactly Catholic either, but I know an excuse to eat chocolate when I see one. -- 04:31, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wait ... Valentine's Day is religious? Kirkburn 13:56, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * In a commercial sense. -- 17:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * In a religious sense, too. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 17:15, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Poll, why not?
Out of curiosity, who do people support (ie did you/will you/would you vote for) for President?

Obama

 * DickTurpis 22:40, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 *  Hoji die! 17:27, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Kucinich >> Edwards >> Obama so far, due to the thinning of the field. human  23:33, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Looks good so far. But after eight years of Republican malfeasance, I will vote for ANYONE running on the Democratic ticket, even Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, or the reanimated, brain-eating corpse of Hubert H. Humphrey. --Gulik 03:35, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Would if I could. Can I add "God" under Huckabee? Kirkburn 13:54, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Edgerunner76
 * --e|m|c  [TALK] 02:56, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Change for America! 08:24, Feb. 17, 2008
 * 17:52, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * 14:29, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Huckabee (HA!)

 * Pity vote. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 22:01, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Paul

 * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! 23:04, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * :( Lurker 01:43, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Battle stations everyone! Paleoconservative detected on premises!  -- 01:41, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Gravel

 * Doggedpersistence Who couldn't love the video artist Presidential candidate? DogP  22:52, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Radioactive afikomen 22:48, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Other
Gore. Sterilexx 08:44, 14 February 2008 (EST)

You're writing yourself in
Because, hey, who better to fulfill your vision of America than you?
 * NamuH 22:52, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * DanH 22:52, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Barikada 00:27, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Who? What? Why?
Uh, what is going on here? -- 12:54, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Someone must have checked all 498 Google hits for his "name surname" (who hasn't done it?), including the one from Rationalwiki, dating May 2007. At that time, suggesting a book name, Kels made an error used liberal deceit, correctly remembering the title but not the author. The correct author is a Lawrence Block instead. Editor at CPBring TK back 13:03, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * I did? Totally forgot about it, honestly.  Although I do remember seeing the book advertised, and I did like Spikol's (and Block's) columns. --Kels 20:31, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hehehe... my brother gets more Google hits than that (counting the variations). 778, baby!  -- 23:17, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Dang, I'm the first five (and 9 of the first 11) of 5,080 of me. But then, I've been spamming teh 'tubes with my real name for a decade or so.  human  00:25, 13 February 2008 (EST)

A Heads Up
for all who are interested, author Heather Wokusch is letting people download her books (The Progressives Handbook volumes 1 and 2) for free in celebrations of the Facebook group "I bet I can find 1,000,000 people who dislike George Bush!" hitting 1 million members. The full versions of the books can be downloaded here (links at the bottom). Download at you're own risk, because I'm not familiar with the hosting website. I'm quite interested to read the volumes! -- Hoji die! 17:24, 12 February 2008 (EST)

A mini-heads
Please feel free to join my currently-in-progress Metapedia vandalism spree. It's been left unattended for 18 hours. -- Hoji die! 20:20, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * That's mature. Lurker 20:27, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Very. I decided that the account I have there didn't need to be active any longer, so I might as well leave in a noble fashion. -- Hoji die! 20:31, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Great. Thanks for the warning that the KKK will be back editing their favorite 3 RW articles soon! human  21:10, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * You seem to be all alone there. Well, you and the resounding echoes of MLK's voice... I'd join in and help, but I can't be bothered confirming my email address.  I was going to edit a series of random articles, bolding words from the speech and leaving them as the edit comments.  But, as I said, I got lazy. Maybe I'll wandalize RW instead... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  21:18, 12 February 2008 (EST)

IRC channel
Srsly, people. Join and idle in freenode's #rationalwiki channel :) And tell people about it! I always leave IRC on in the background. Kirkburn 13:53, 13 February 2008 (EST)

But you don't talk to me! Susan Miouw  14:04, 13 February 2008 (EST)


 * Lies! Kirkburn 15:29, 13 February 2008 (EST)


 * Liberal? Editor at CPBring TK back 15:35, 13 February 2008 (EST)


 * Certainly. Kirkburn 17:42, 13 February 2008 (EST)

New Pages
I'm new to these here parts and to wikiing in generals... can i create me a page here or does ah gotsta ask me permission or sumwun else tah doo eet?--Iconoclast beggar 17:15, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nope, ya'll go right un aheed, du wut yoo wunt. And by here I'm assuming you mean RationalWiki, and not Talk:Main Page.  ThunderkatzHo! 19:19, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Creationwiki down
Thank you, TerryH, for the bad news. Editor at CPBring TK back 10:13, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * They should just hire Trent to solve their problems for them. Or I'm sure Linus could do it, too. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  18:38, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * From what I've seen, they've messed up their code almost as badly as CP has… --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 10:19, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * There goes 1/2 of the creationist peer review machine :-)- 10:32, 16 February 2008 (EST)

ANOTHER School Shooting?!?!?!
Here's the deal - I'm trying to decide between grad schools: i could go to the US or stay here in Canada. With what's happening at Northern Illinois today, I have to ask myself - to what extant should I factor in "the risk of getting shot" as a deciding factor? I know Canada- especially my hometown of Montreal (3 university/college shootings since 1988) is by no means immune from this sort of nonsense, but I have literally lost count of American university shootings since V-Tech....A lot of y'all are American university students - is there a climate of fear on your campus? Should I take the scholarship they're offering me and spend it on body armour? Should I join the NRA and get a Glock so that I can be in a position to return the fire? What the hell is wrong with the Unitied States that you keep shooting at college students? PFoster 18:29, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * No culture of fear where I am. Keep in mind, school shootings are statistically so rare, you have a greater chance of being struck by lightning.  And school violence is actually going down—what you are witnessing is the American sensationalist media at its best, hyping things as much as possible.  So, yah, if you like the college, then you should come here.  -- 18:34, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * We could also use another socialist in America—libertarianism is so in vogue right now, it's aggravating. -- 18:35, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * You live in the most beautiful city of the American continent, you can spend your winters watching Saku Koivu and the summers in the Saputo Stadium, you have a wonderful mountain hill, one of the best Formula One races (alongside Monaco, Spa), you have McGill University and Saint Mary's Hospital, and you want to emigrate into that madhouse? Editor at CPBring TK back 18:38, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Vaguely related: More proof that Andy only mentions things that support him. He refused to post anything about the mass murders on the day of the super bowl. Barikada 19:25, 14 February 2008 (EST)

No Culture of fear on Ohio campuses. Just a culture of, you know... binge drinking, beer pong, keggers, and anything else alcohol-related you can think of. Also date rape. Everybody wins! GrandSoviet 12:33, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * I think fear is irrational. It think if you take the number of students who died in shootings vs. the number who died of other causes, the latter would be much bigger.  You should visit any college you're interested in anyway, is my recommendation as an "educational professional." Sterilexx 12:42, 15 February 2008 (EST)

John McCain watch
Should RW keep a watch on how McCain is treated in CP? I imagine he'll go from a low (not conservative enough) before nomination, to a high (a true conservative) when fighting the affirmative action candidate, to a new low after defeat (he'll get the blame, Huckabee would have sweeped away any Dem candidate). I propose to have a watch on following articles: John McCain, John McCain 2008 Presidential Campaign and 2008 Presidential Election. Editor at CPBring TK back 06:52, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * I hope you weren't expecting volunteers to come flying out of the woodwork. :-)  -- 12:51, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks, RA, one volunteer is enough. I knew I could trust you. Editor at CPBring TK back 13:05, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Hypocrisy
I notice a lot of hatred (Stupidity) coming from articles like Ron Paul. Surely we should aim to sit ourselves on a higher pedestal than resort to the petty ad vominums you might get at a certain other place. To be honest I don't see much difference between places like this and Daily Kos V Conservapedia in terms of tone. You people might do more smileys than the average conservapedian, but the same unnecessary hostility is still there. I say this as a long time lurker on both sites and a lifelong Liberal. MarcusCicero 09:51, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'd add the same for the rampant, almost hate-filled atheism of some RW contributors. Atheism is not a religion, but sometimes I find an echo to PJR's words here. Editor at CPBring TK back 09:54, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Indeed, especially when coupled with that particular brand of arrogant positivism that also seems to have been gaining ground here recently. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:08, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * I would agree that some of us are more strident in expressing our views...but no one gets censored (except, i suppose, but wishing to avoid hostility). Interesting point to bring up, certainly. I think it's a bit hyperbolic, however, and I do suspect some disingenuousness from Marcus.162.82.215.199 15:13, 15 February 2008 (EST)


 * I'm interested in knowing more specifically to what you are referring. If it is simply the SPOV then most of us are guilty.  If it is some sort of irrational ad hominem tone to an article, it would be nice to know.  75.62.26.190 09:55, 15 February 2008 (EST)


 * Well, as long as it's only almost hate-filled, I guess we're O.K. Otherwise we'd just be a mirror-image of CP. PoorEd 10:10, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around MC's comment. Our talk pages occassionally contain vitriolic debates, more often blathering nonsense.  Our articles are non-neutral, but usually factual.  For factual errors, we tend to rip on each other pretty harshly and fix them.  I'd encourage you to dig up factual errors with citations so we can "cleanse" them, but I wouldn't expect neutrality.  There is certainly a diversity of views around here, but of course the bias isn't in the same direction as cp.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 10:56, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, I almost forgot:, , .--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 10:57, 15 February 2008 (EST)


 * For some reason this little exchange is reminding me of run ins I've had on conservapedia. I'd have hoped people here were bigger than that. Yes, I reverted edits on the Ron Paul article because some of them were insanely obtuse and looked to make the worst out of the given situation. I have respect for any man of any political persuasion as long as he is a man of principles. Hence my respect for Mc Cain, Huckabee and Paul. In reality, the article on Ron Paul is just as bad as the CPs article on Hillary Clinton. Grow up. You make Liberalism look bad. MarcusCicero 12:09, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, come on, no one on CP ever had the sense of humor to insert a randomly changing insult in one of their posts. You are in serious danger of Taking Yourself Too Seriously. PoorEd 12:36, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * He has a point, PoorEd. I wouldn't call "hate", but I would call it excessive freewheeling bashery.  -- 12:54, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Those random ad homs sure make navigating talkpages a bit weird - outsiders and noobs will take them at face value, only people who happen to look at the source will "get" them. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  12:54, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * I have respect for any man of any political persuasion as long as he is a man of principles. I don't.  I only respect them for it if said principles happen to be (IMGLO) good ideas.  Huckabee is a Man Of Principle--unfortunately, one of those Principles is that the US should be a Theocracy, so I have zero respect for him.  --Gulik 13:52, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hitler was a man of principles and stuck to them for quite a long time. There are many (usually right-wing) newspapers that claim to stand up for their principles (the Daily Mail for one) yet in my eyes exude homophobia, xenophobia and promote irrational beliefs (not just religion). The only time I admire people who stand up for their principles is when those principles actually put them in harm's way or actively helps others who may hold an opposing viewpoint. Such as Conscientious Objectors in World War I who put themselves in the thick of the fighting as stretcher bearers, or Evelyn Beatrice Hall's defense of the right of Free Speech (oft attributed to Voltaire). [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 05:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)


 * Respect & politicians! Alas, I am a cynic when it comes to politician's motives. At the start of their careers they may be altruistic and deserving of respect, but they become progressively more detatched from their roots and influenced by their advisors/financiers. Eventually they all are so biased by interest groups that little or no vestige of their original motivation remains. A case in point is the UK Labour Party's Peter Hain; at one time a fiery left winger arrested for anti-aparthed demonstrations, recently kicked out of ministerial office for funding irregularities. My vote generally is for the "least bad" candidate. I think the words & deeds of most politicians are their own best mockers. Susan Miouw  12:59, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * At the time he was an anti-apartheid protester, Hain was a member of the Young Liberals. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 05:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * So, if you could, you would vote for Obama, because he is the newest and least corrupted by the system? -- 13:41, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Don't do that RA - nowhere did I say that! Susan  Miouw  06:41, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * That's like saying he's the tallest munchkin in Oz, unfortunately. The way the One Two Party System is set up, NOBODY gets near the Presidency without eating a few babies (metphorically speaking--I think).  That said, he still looks like a massive improvement over the current gang of thugs. --Gulik 13:52, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Principles, schminciples...if your "principles" are rape/pillage/burn, I'd rather you weren't all that prinicipled. And I reverted you on Paul because your  edits were counterfactual.  If you find evidence to support your position, other than wishes, just cite it on the talk page and we'll all hack it out.  Oh, and .162.82.215.199 13:56, 15 February 2008 (EST)

It bothers me when someone uses the word "hate-filled." It implies that you know the mind and intentions of everyone here and is a sweeping generalization. Sterilexx 15:50, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * The actual phrase was "...hate-filled atheism of some RW contributors...", which is not much of a generalization. Besides, sweeping generalizations are hardly unknown around here, either. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 11:20, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * That's a rather sweeping generalization you're making there, AKjeldson. :-)  -- 06:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Huck and McCain and music
Now we know where Andy got his 'fair use' concept from. Best quote from the article "In other words, I think I've been ripped off, dude!" --Shagie 13:06, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hehe, yeah, it's all over the liberal talk radios. By the way, "Fred Bramante, who was chairman of Huckabee's New Hampshire campaign" is (or was?) the owner of Daddy's Junky Music, where my guitar teacher worked out of.  So, sadly, I moved a lot of money through his grubby fingers back in the day. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  14:12, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Ad Hom templates
They are funny for sure, but irritating too, I dare say. If I were the ruler of RW, I'd forbid them have them put in italics. Since I'm not (yet...), I just ask: what say you? Editor at CPBring TK back 05:30, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'd make it so only established users could even look at the site, thereby preventing noobs and strangers from being offended by them. : )  -- 05:47, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * What if an established user is offended by them? Or is that a logical impossibility (like "moderate catholic" or "evolutionist christian")? Editor at CPBring TK back 05:57, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * More like "Editor at CP". :-) -- 05:58, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * What? No more Editor thereBring TK back 06:01, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * The templates are a bit, but, hey, what can you do?  I s'pose if someone feels up to italicizing all of the options, well, sie gezunt, and !--PalMD --You don't know harsh! 08:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Doc, why not move 'ad hom' to 'ad hom noun' or 'ad hom phrase' and make 'ad hom' the sentencey thing you usually use ('ad hom phrase' you 'ad hom adj' 'ad hom noun' or whatever) and put the italics in that? Or better than italics, color them white? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  10:38, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Good news, everyone!
RationalWiki.info is gone! I guess our favorite Team Killer has moved on?- 10:33, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Darn, I was waiting for the improvements! At least rationalwikiwiki is still there, right? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  10:39, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * That appears inactive too. I really thought that once the nuclear option was used we'd see more RW.info stuff.  Humph.- 10:42, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Someone's editing. They certainly spiffed up the articles Human and SusanG.  Although it reads disturbingly like a stalker wrote it.  -- 02:43, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Checking mine out, there's nothing there that can't be found within one click of RW. In fact, I think all the details have been confirmed by me over time on RW itself.  However, they ("Hans_Johnson") got Susan's "real name" wrong. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  14:42, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Conservapedia has more experts than us
Yes, this is a provocation. But there are some editors over there, for example Able806 (?) and another guy (sorry: since I am boycotting, I rely on memory), that could improve our articles too, in some science or evolution articles. This occurred to me reading our microevolution article and others. If they are RW socks, I apologize. Otherwise, should they be recruited? No more Editor thereBring TK back 14:18, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * (They probably ARE us!) Sterilexx 11:29, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Something from PBS
Susan Jacoby’s The Age of American Unreason - http://www.susanjacoby.com/. She was on Bill Moyers Journal http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02152008/profile.html and you can see the full video or read the transcript there. Some bits on conservative intellectuals and the attack on reason and rational thought, creation and evolution... I mentioned this in THE AGE OF AMERICAN UNREASON that after the 9/11 terrorist attacks there was a huge cover story in TIME Magazine in 2002 about the rapture and end of the world scenarios. There wasn't a singular secular person quoted in it. They discussed the rapture scenario from the book of Revelation as though it was a perfectly reasonable thing for people to believe. On the one hand, these people don't believe it. On the other it's exactly like saying-- you know, "Two plus-- two plus two, so-and-so says, 'two plus two equals five.' But, of course, mathematicians say that it really equals four." The mathematicians are right. The people who say that two plus two equals five are wrong. The media blurs that constantly. Well, critical thinking in math might think otherwise too - just Andy can block that says you are wrong. Its worth a watch or read. --Shagie 02:11, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Unfortunately, the modern Controlled Media have largely given up on that whole "finding the facts" business. It just took too much time and effort away from re-typing press releases.  So instead they just put up whatever insane blather they can get from the biggest nuts on both "sides" of any issue and let the victi public 'decide'. --Gulik 02:51, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Important announcement
I'm going to be upgrading MediaWiki to the latest version soon, which may take the site down briefly. I ask for pardon in advance for any inconvenience thus resulting. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech), 18:18, 17 February 2008 (EST)


 * OH NOES!! [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 18:19, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks for the warning - do you have a projected time window? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  18:33, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm going to try to get the potentially site-breaking stuff over with in a window of about 5 minutes, within the hour. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 18:38, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * On second thought, I have scared myself, and I'm going to try it again when I'm a bit less nervous. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 20:23, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hahaha, well, you tried, at least. Is it easier to work on if we aren't trying to use it? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:29, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nah, what happened was that halfway through, I nearly had a heart attack because I remembered that I hadn't backed up the database. Yeah. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 20:32, 17 February 2008 (EST)

I didn't break anything…
…did I? Please tell me I'm not the only one who can edit. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * IPs, that is, me, can edit, if that helps. --82.44.64.173
 * Whew. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:29, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * No, everything looks fine to me. It's just a bit slow now that all the goatery has been siphoned off to the chat room thing.  Sad, because the brilliant gems of obstrepterousness will not be saved for eternity on the wiki talk pages :( <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  21:36, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * We could hypothetically set up some sort of running log… --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:38, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Eh, if you're using mIRC, the entire time you are connected, the conversation is automatically recorded. I'd be more than happy to upload the logs I have (although they'd be "me-centric")  :-)  -- 05:15, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * I am, and yes, I see an incredibly long, boring text file I could save. Trouble is, in the transition from the chatroom to the wiki, anything could be faked.  The wiki software keeps us (relatively) honest. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  05:18, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * * sniffs indignantly* Are you implying I would fake something?  Why don't I upload the whole damn thing as-is, no alterations, and then, once it's on-wiki, I make it readable (thus allowing anyone to see the changes made)?  -- 05:22, 18 February 2008 (EST)

<-- I'm not implying anything like that. But when people edit a wiki, every step is documented. The chat room is just random palaver, and really hard to follow. All I am saying is that it's not "part of the site". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  05:26, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * I don't see what you're getting at. What does this have to do with uploading the log file?  -- 05:29, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Are you talking RW or #rw here? Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 05:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Regarding IRC chat - it's really really useful for getting things done, but any decisions made should be noted on the wiki somewhere so everyone else knows and can give their view. Getting people on the WoWWiki IRC channel helped our wiki hugely in my opinion, feels much more a community. Kirkburn 06:29, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Your WoWWiki is several orders of magnitude bigger than RW though. Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 06:31, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Doesn't mean you can't try. We have more editors, but our "core" of main editors, those likely to be on IRC, isn't all that much larger. Kirkburn 06:40, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Another point is that they (the Powerful Sysops, Bureaucrats, RW 1.0:ans) already have a secret, invitation-only meeting place, where they perform satanistic rites and rule on us, poor mortals. Thus, the open-to-all IRC channel is a kind of middle ground. Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 06:44, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Most of our rituals are not "satanistic", although to a n00b they can appear that way. They are really more evil than you can ever imagine. User:PalMD
 * Particularly "Casual Fridays". [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 10:08, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Boycott effects?
Is it me, or is the lack of WIGO causing a certain ... tension? Kirkburn 09:15, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * More than usual, you mean? -- 09:17, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's hard to go cold turkey. The usual withdrawal symptoms ensue. PoorEd 14:01, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Happy Sales Day!
I mean, uh, "President's Day".  ŖєuĻє  ux say wнäτ? 11:23, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * It's "Family Day" here in Ontario, which is probably one of the less well thought out holidays I've seen in a while. Sprung on us suddenly a bit more than a month ago, at least half the workers in town don't even get it off because their contracts haven't caught up (most contracted employees already got more than the legal requirement of holidays anyhow).  So Provincical government gets it off, Federal doesn't, Unionized employees (including bus drivers) have to work, but all the stores are closed.  Only reason I'm home today is that this was my weekend to work and I get Monday and Tuesday off instead.  Bad planning all around. --Kels 12:32, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Indeed. But at least you can get a mattress for  HALF OFF THIS WEEKEND ONLY!!!   ŖєuĻє [[Image:ReuleauxTriangle.png|10px]] ux say wнäτ? 12:41, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's SOFA KING GREAT!!1!
 * Family Day in Alberta, too. I spent it at a LAN party. Hooray for subverting the purpose! Barikada 15:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Wow!
This site's humor is ALOT like Uncyclopedia- that's awesome! Are any of you members on both sites? Oh, and death to Conservopedia. 69.121.179.87 18:02, 18 February 2008 (EST) -Stupid IP
 * I'm shocked and insulted. How dare you compare us to ... that place. ;)

Nah, there are quite a few common members (Radioactive Afikomen, for example), but the humour's more like a UP/ED fusion than anything else. Why don't you sign up an account?

Also, re:your last point - I think that we don't need to do that, they're doing a fine job towards that goal themselves. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום


 * Humor is an ephemeral thing. As such it is not Rational. Thus we don't deal in humor. It is beneath us.
 * Now, SNARK OTOH, is looking at the rational by "standing it on its side" and sticking one's tongue out. We haz dat.
 * CЯacke ® 18:14, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * A good read for those who like longer novels: Umberto Eco, The Name of the Rose (Il nome della rosa). About rational vs. humour. Which was the same as 'religious devotion' vs. humour in the Middle Ages. Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 05:08, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * Well, some humor can be rational. Just take some of the more well-written Uncyclopedia articles for example, say, this one-. But, really, the stuff here is very clever. 69.121.179.87 19:38, 19 February 2008 (EST) (Stupid Anonymous IP)

Announcement mark 2
Okay, I'm trying it again… if people could hold off on the edits until I give the word, so I don't miss anything in my backups… --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:15, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, never mind. Hold of on creating huge articles, perhaps, but other than that, simply go about your business as usual. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:24, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Uh, approximately how huge are we talking about? -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 21:27, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Let me amend that to state to not do so without saving a copy to your local computer. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:31, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Alive now, it should be. Go about your business, nothing to see here. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 21:55, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Or is there, you seem to have messed with the default path for links and now all internal links are broken, please fix this. - Icewedge 22:27, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Aaagh! You broke the wiki!  -- 22:53, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * NightFlare is not amused. NightFlare demands fix. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 01:10, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Pinto agrees with the above statement. 01:17, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Barikada wields torch-- +1 against Norsemen. Barikada 01:39, 19 February 2008 (EST)

OH NOES!
We appear to be having a little technical difficulty. <font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 03:34, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Heh! understatement or what! Susan  Purrrrr  03:42, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * I believe it will be fixed! Yes, yes I''m a believer! [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 03:57, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * IRC should be good for this sort of discussion. Susan  Purrrrr  04:43, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * My faith is being sorely tried. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 08:25, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Everyone who will get the chance, don't forget to check out the lunar eclipse tonight (total around 2 AM UTC, as I recall). Jesus winks from the darkened moon at 17 earth minutes past onset of totality. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:53, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Did I say tonight? It's tomorrow.  I thought today was wednesday... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:18, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * So I was awake all night for nothing? Editor at RWSchumi on Ducati? 06:23, 20 February 2008 (EST)

How do you search for what links to an article?
Say I want to find out what links to this tripe. How do I do that?- 17:52, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Whatlinkshere/Atheism - Icewedge 18:19, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * More simply there is a link on the left hand side of the page. :) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 18:54, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * http://www.google.com/search?as_lq=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservapedia.com%2FAtheism&btnG=Search (fun reading, we are apparently not the only ones who get LOLs from CP) Kenewtervative, if those are the links you can get to the site, FAIL/. --Shagie 18:58, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Chickipedia
Ok, its sexist. If you can get over that, it is amusing, kind of. The politics section is funny and scary at the same time - Condileza Rice, Queen Elizabeth, Yulia Tymoshenko, Margaret Thatcher, etc... Did you know that Queen Elizabeth has similar measurements as Holly Marie Combs? Anyways, they are missing a Phyllis Schlafly in the politics section. Anyone up to it? --Shagie 20:07, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Best wishes, everyone
RW is awesome, keep it up. See you guys around, perhaps. --GodlessLiberal 21:08, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * WTF??? Where are you going???--[[Image:Asclepius staff.png|10px]] PalMD --You don't know harsh! 21:25, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * I have so much crap to do at school it is ridiculous. College admissions processes on top of that. Taking five AP classes in a four-class day leaves little room for free time, and I am very much considering contacting the Obama campaign to see if I can put that limited free time to good use... so RW has pretty much fallen off the priority list, I'm sorry to say.  Г <font color="#ffbe00">☭  длесс Либерал  21:30, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Damn. It's really hard to argue with that.--[[Image:Asclepius staff.png|10px]] PalMD --You don't know harsh! 21:34, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * It happens, I suppose. Who knows, when school ends, I just might find the time to come hang out some more.  Г <font color="#ffbe00">☭  длесс Либерал  21:37, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * College claims another victim... NightFlareSpeak, mortal 23:09, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * He'll be back once he realizes how much ridiculously large amounts of free time college affords you. Really, it's sickening compared to high school.  Until the womminz appear.  Then he'll be gone again.- 23:11, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Let alone "real life"... Oh, the wimminz, yah, they make gud distractions (for those of us boyz that leik them). Love, and all that. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  23:38, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's true that I spend more time with my woman than doing homework, but that's only because I'm a horrible student. GrandSoviet 03:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I was wondering why we hadn't seen much of you lately. You'll be sorely missed. Good luck with your studies and don't forget to let us know how that valedictorian speech goes. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 03:22, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Jesus Fucking Christ
Oh, fuck. "...the Antichrist will likely be accepted by the Jews as their Messiah."

Tell me he didn't say that. -- 14:07, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * He said it. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * Uh, oh. It seems like the Antichrist will come from the European Union as well. I guess I should apologize for that in advance. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 14:20, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Haven't seen the Jewish/Antichrist link up before. But come on AKjeldsen - everybody knows the Antichrist will come out of the EU.  After all the EU is The Beast Power.--Bobbing up 15:18, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hmmm...bad news...--[[Image:Asclepius staff.png|10px]] PalMD --You don't know harsh! 15:22, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * "Beast Power"? As in the Power Rangers?  : )  -- 15:23, 20 February 2008 (EST)


 * So tell me, AK: is the EU like a game of musical chairs? : )  -- 15:26, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'd say it's more like first night at a dance school. Everybody's all sort of shy and self-conscious, and nobody's entirely sure what to do with themselves, and some of the students are only there because their mom told them to, so they hate everything about it. But they'll learn to dance eventually, and the end-of-season dance will be great. We hope. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:33, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * In fairness, he says that the Jews only have such sore luck because they didn't kill everyone who got in their way thousands of years ago. GrandSoviet 20:12, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * So, the holocaust was God's punishment for showing mercy? Way to hold a grudge even unto the nth generation, o lord! In thy infinite wrath, how about smiting someone who deserves it for once? Kim Jong-Il might be a decent start. -- 02:05, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, but at least, since the Holocaust, western Christians have acknowledged that Jews might be white. Oops, sorry about the boats turned back from NYC... "give me your...", my ass. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  02:14, 21 February 2008 (EST)


 * I believe the full stanza to be "Give us your well sired / your wealthy / your plutocracy / your muddled heiresses yearning for celebrity"

Update: I feel the need to finish my poem :D

Give me your well sired, your wealthy, your plutocracy. /  Your muddled heiresses yearning for celebrity / Turn back the wretched refuse of the factory floor / Send these, the priv'ledged, business class, to me / This is my present wont: an aristocracy once more. I can has laureate?

-- 02:20, 21 February 2008 (EST)

The section title made me recall this: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Jesusfckingchrist.jpg Kirkburn 07:33, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Subversive Art
Anyone think a "subversive art of the week" feature might be fun? I don't know how much is public domain, but stuff like mapplethorpe, and that elephant turd jesus, etc...stuff that has caused controversy and pissed people off.162.82.215.199 19:22, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's a great idea, but I think you nailed the problem. We'd be drifting a bit wide of "fair use" I think.  Although, perhaps if we discipline ourselves to some "low rez" standard and link the image file to a source that actually owns it... Or, we could make our own.  Now, where's my bullwhip?  Doc, log in!  And why am I writing about Bucky Bill in two different places on completely unrelated topics? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Because he is so damn offensive? Ain't logged in
 * lol drama - roll up, place your bets that these are going to be nigh-universally subversive against Christianity ;) --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * Depends on which Christians are concerned - Mapplethorpe, for instance, is not particularly subversive of Christianity, but certain Christians don't really like his work much. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  23:02, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Do we really need to be purposefully offensive just to create lulz? - Icewedge 21:57, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I would argue that if the feature were 'only' offensive, it would be doubly so. I should have a better purpose than just to piss off and turn off...even if the image isn't displayed but just linked.--[[Image:Asclepius staff.png|10px]] PalMD --You don't know harsh! 22:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)


 * Pshaw! And to think you didn't like my masterpiece of the week idea. -- 22:25, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * The Danes managed to piss off the Muslims, so Christians wouldn't necessarily be the sole victims. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 02:34, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * I don't think they are fair use, but Chick tracts would be better in every sense of the word. Editor at RWSchumi on Ducati? 07:43, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Example
The "Piss Christ" is a significant controversial image yada yada...  And I ain't gonna
 * Yes, and most "critics" didn't even know how it was done, let alone how deeply religious it is. Anyone else seen the movie about the Cincinnati art museum flap, with James Woods? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  23:00, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I personally preferred Chocolate Jesus. He's your own Chocolate Jesus.  Someone who holds no grudge, who's made of fudge.  Stile4aly 10:24, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Is he floating through the power of Jesus? Must be holy chocolate, then.  : )  -- 12:50, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Here's your subversive art!
-- 23:39, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I object to your insult of plant life!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  00:21, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Actual subversive art
--Robledo 16:32, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thank you, we, er, needed that! Is the stencil font right for it, though?  I was thinking of something more, hmmm, slippery.  Or, "coksure.ttf" is pretty good, and far cruder. Send me the original if you want to mock that up for you. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:18, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Whistleblowers given American Justice
A whistleblowing web site has been shut down by a US court. ( hope that headline didn't upset anyone) -- Susan Purrrrr  08:26, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Is is always upsetting to see something morally passable but ethically questionable shut down. :-)  -- 12:54, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * I have gathered more information and changed my mind. It is too serious an abridgment of freedom of speech.  Darn that liberal New York Times for changing my mind!  : )  -- 13:47, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * For interest: wikileaks. Susan  Purrrrr  13:59, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Coincidence?
Has any one else considered a possible link between this and this? <font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 14:05, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hahaha... last night the "History Channel" ran a show about so-called UFO hotspots, like a US nuclear command center/missile farm that was supposedly compormised by teh aliens back in the days of B&W tv. Also, how come no one is talking about the Chinese satellite shoot-down, which was perceived as teh ebil commies displaying threatening possibilities?  All this satellite downing was was the US saying "we can do it too".  Luckily, they succeeded, or they'd be the North Korea of the West. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:00, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * I couldn't help but think that the satellite's tank of fuel would have been portrayed as "totally harmless" and "nothing to worry about" if the US wasn't interested in shooting it down. I must be one of those America-hating liberals for having such evil thoughts. PoorEd 10:15, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Remembering how they (and everyone else) moaned about space debris when the Chinese did a "Missile test" last year(?) I find it all very hypocritical. And no, I don't think there's any link. Don't push my conspiracy theory meter too far. Susan  Purrrrr  10:23, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Of course, there is a certain irony in all the fuss the Chinese are making about it. Almost worth doing it for that alone. PoorEd 11:14, 22 February 2008 (EST)!

Logout bug
Brianetta has pointed out that the logout problem seems to be assiciated with editing http://www.rw.com and then getting returned to http://rw.com - if you aren't logged in to *both*, when you come back to http://rw.com, you are logged out.

He says that if you are logged into both, you stay "logged in". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  12:55, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Who is this "Brianetta", and how do we know you're really Human? -- 12:58, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * I failed a Turing test once )-: Brianetta 13:04, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hm. That does seem to be the problem.  Although, why did the address to everything change?  I don't remember the "index.php" being there before.  -- 13:00, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * And how do we know you are really radioactive, Afikomen? PoorEd 13:02, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * RA, the "index.php" thing is always sometimes there ;) It depends on the nature of the link.  Although it does seem to be all over the place where it shouldn't be.  And, PoorEd, how can we be sure you are not a sockpuppet of Brianetta and nucular cracker? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  13:25, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * That's "nuclear", Human. I hope you're not going George Bush on me.  : )  -- 13:28, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thet's how all us peanut farmers pronounce it! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  13:47, 22 February 2008 (EST)

The index.php thing should be rectified now. --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 15:14, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Why is it that most Christian sites...
I just wanted to take the time to conduct a short survey. How many of you have noticed that the only pure science related information on Christian web sites are geared towards evolution or creationism? CBN for example only has a link for applied sciences (health section) and nothing about the pure sciences. Is it just me or does it seem that the Christian right wants to keep people in the dark about the world around them?--TimS 14:40, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * It might be a holdover of the quaint notion that pure science "isn't important". -- 14:47, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Crackpot patriots
I found an interesting article here about one of the more pervasive pseudohistorical and pseudolegal theories used by far-right wing anti-government groups. Anyone interested in doing an article on this bullshit? -- 15:55, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Oh, Mr President!
Monsieur Le President struts his stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7250000/newsid_7258900/7258976.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&bbcws=1 Kirkburn 17:07, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Does Anybody Know What Time It is? Does Anybody Really Care?
Recent changes are appearing as February 23rd on my computer. Are we on GMT now? But the time signature still shows February 22nd. What gives? PoorEd 20:15, 22 February 2008 (EST)


 * Check the time in your preferences page. Kirkburn 20:31, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Looks fine to me. It also might be your computer clock setting? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:32, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Server time is (now) UTC, so you may have to get it to fill in your offset to make it show your own time again. And why are signature timestamps in EST? UTC ftw! Kirkburn 20:33, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * I still don't know what "ftw" means. -- 20:46, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * "For the win". --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 14:02, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * I hope you jest. 20:51, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * "fuck the world"? Sigstamps are CST.  Or maybe it's EST without daylight savings? Nah, that would go the other way.  It's CST. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:52, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * My computer clock shows the same time as my time stamp. PoorEd 20:54, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * For reference, my Recent Changes page shows the time is 1:57 on Feb 23rd. PoorEd 20:57, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Definitely check your preferences. Or, enjoy your prescient view of the world? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  21:24, 22 February 2008 (EST)

I know server time is UTC cause my preferences time offset is 0 :) Signature timestamps are EST since, um, well, they say (EST) on the end :P Really, those should be changed to UTC as well. Kirkburn 07:56, 23 February 2008 (EST)


 * Silly, me, I thought ya'll meant my computer preferences. Now it works. Thanks PoorEd 12:12, 23 February 2008 (EST)