Talk:Gender expression

Damnation, my research skills suck. I know I've read about the Asian assumption about girls and math, but damned if I can find it tonight. If anyone can do a better job, please feel free to fill that in. Also, I'd appreciate help in organizing this a bit better and finding clearer wording. --Kels 22:02, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Cultural expectations
"An example of this cultural difference is the longstanding assumption in Western culture that males are better at math and hard sciences than the arts-oriented females"

is it true though? In "Western culture", men absolutely dominated the arts, and women historically faced a ton of obstacles (this article says women were largely barred from the profession until around the 1870s, and women's works are undervalued over men's). Women couldn't even engage in figure studies with nude men iirc. 01:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A cursory look at wikipedia seems to support you that women were not historically considered skilled artists. The first part of the sentence could probably be kept in some form, but it would need to be accompanied by a more accurate characterization of attitudes towards women.  It's also concerning that the article seemingly has not gotten a single source since it appeared in May 2007. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒   talk  01:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed with the above. It's more of a "common myth" than anything, perhaps one perpetuated by how actively society discourages women from entering STEM fields. Celeste (talk) 01:45, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * for the longest time women were barred from any kind of higher education full stop. it always noted as unusual when famous women in history are able to get education due to there (wealthy) fathers being more enlightened than most at the time and paying for it. usually education for women consisted of needlepoint and not much else. the ones from wealthy families anyways. the proles didnt get an education male or female. work was very gender specific though.
 * until the advent of effective birth control, 'baby maker' was the womans primary role in society. you dont need university for that task, and would only get in way of looking after their kids and/or their husband. a woman at university is not prioritising finding a husband and making babies so must be an emasculating harridan of some kind.
 * i think there is or at least has been less girls taking STEM subjects at school and beyond that i think is down to some level of gender expression - periodically its the ocus of various drives and initiatives to combat this. ive never heard that women are (perceived as)more art-focused though. thats a new one on me. AMassiveGay (talk) 08:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)