Template talk:AOTW Main

Initial discussions
Should we not put a direct link on the front page either to this or to all 4 WIGO's seperately?--Damo2353 17:33, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * That's coming next, we build things in pieces :). Once this page is up to our standards and the new article of the weak is up we will move this over to main page talk about how to integrate it there. 17:35, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm beginning to think of pretty much replacing the "according to" section with these links - main header to this, plus the 4 WIGOs and CPAotW. But, as Trent said, we'll discuss that at talk:main when the backend is all polished.  ħ uman  17:47, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * But wouldn't these just cover blogs, nazis, CP, and us? Wouldn't we need actual NEWS somewhere. -- 17:50, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Nothing stopping us from adding a WIGO news as well. 17:56, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Good idea! That would cover the gaps left by killing off According to... so then we could keep the name "According to" for the box o'links...  ħ uman  17:58, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

This portal page might not be needed, I think we might just replace according to with the contents of this thing... thoughts?  ħ uman  19:09, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Agreed, maybe we should mock it up in a sub page? 19:17, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I was thinking it's been a while since I put a mockup front page in one of my sandboxes again ;) Since this isn't live yet, I'll just transclude it instead of Acc. to and start making it be teh pretty with that use in mind.  Let me see, where will I put it... here.  Hang on a bit so I can do the copying...  ħ uman  19:52, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Isn't "interactive articles" a bit bland? -- 20:31, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Check here and feel free to come up with a better header. This one's title doesn't matter, it's being transcluded in the end, not visited.   ħ uman  20:42, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yea, if anyone has any feed back on a better name I am all for that, so ideas people? Layout looks fine to me but that is not really my "specialty" anyway. 20:54, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (Eventually - soon - I'll be moving this to a template, since that's what it will be)  ħ uman  20:57, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I kinda liked our count down till Bush goes away thing. 21:00, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh shoot, glad you caught that. I'll copy it over.  ħ uman  21:01, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

To do list

 * 1) improve intros at WIGO articles
 * 2) make a nice little interlinking system between the WIGOs
 * 3) copy or move according to archive to the WIGOnews article space
 * 4) get permission from the mob at talk:main to do this; feedback on "header" on main page HAVE ASKED  ħ uman  20:57, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I will work on the according too stuff? How far below the line should be ported over here? 20:59, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Everything you have the stomach to do the poll work on? And archive the rest... Hopefully the WIGO CP archive list dpl will work in all locations if we do it right.  ħ uman  21:00, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Moved it all over, now how to handle the archives? They are not divided into months or anything, do you want to just move them with the naming scheme ArchiveX? 21:18, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No, just use simple numbers (001, 002, etc.), and make them subpages, then we can just copy the dpl from WIGOCP. Maybe one day we will then go to date based names, and it will all be good.  ħ uman  21:20, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Nice! I copied over and adapted the dpl  ħ uman  21:23, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Okay, so interlinking should be simple enough right? Do we want to link each on of these articles to each other? Or link each one back to this page? 21:39, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * To each other. This "page" won't exist - it will be at the main page.  Linking to each other makes for easier visitor browsing.  Let's build the boiler plate right here on this talk page first.  ħ uman  21:43, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

interlink playpen
Article of the Weak  What is going on at Conservapedia?  What is going on in the Blogosphere?  What is going on in the Clogosphere?  What is going on in the Fourth Reich?  What is going on in the "world"?

Article of the Weak -  What is going on at CP? -  What is going on at the Blogs? -  What is going on at the Clogs? -  What is going on at 4R? -  What is going on in the "world"?

Article of the Weak -  WIGO CP -  WIGO Blogs -  WIGO Clogs -  WIGO 4R -  WIGO "world"

Article of the Weak -  What's going on at CP? -  What's going on at the Blogs? -  What's going on in the Clogs? -  What's going on at 4R? -  What's going on in the "world"?

Yeah, but the apostrophe kills the "I" in WIGO!  ħ uman  18:43, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And? That isn't important when we're going for links that are abbreviated anyway. 18:50, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Huh? Apart from that not really making any sense, they've always been referred to by the full word, or of course the "full" abbreviation.  ħ uman  19:15, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * "The way it's always been" is not a real reason. WIGO is an abbreviation anyway, so I don't see why "what's going on" should be unacceptable. 19:20, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not "unacceptable", it's just pointless, as far as I can see. It saves, what, 4 characters?  By the way, so far we have already used the really short "WIGO" version.  The main thing was to make it narrow enough that it never wraps for anyone.  ħ uman  19:34, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * "What's going on" sounds natural. "What is going on" sounds like a robot. 19:43, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * "What Is Going On" sounds more professional in my humble opinion. 19:49, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Fourth Reich

 * (human complained in an edit comment while removing "neo-Nazism" that he didn't really like it saying "fourth reich" on the main page, either)  ħ uman  21:57, 25 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Far Right?
 * Far Far Right?
 * Far Far Far ... you get the idea. 21:48, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah... well, racism is really their thing, their uniting disgusting trait, isn't it? "extreme racists"?  "racist wing"?  oh, what about "fascism" in some form? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:55, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Heh: Far White 21:59, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I like it! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:01, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Are you talking about renaming WIGO4R? Because Far White doesn't make sense for that, and wouldn't encompass the same concepts. Face it -- our subjects are Nazis and saying "Nazi" is the neatest way of describing them. 22:03, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Not renaming the srticle, no, just getting those ugly words off our front page. And, really, white supremacism is what all these 4R types have in common, sometimes it's their only issue, sometimes they also are fascists, etc.  I really don;t want our front page to say "Nazi", whatever the context.  But maybe I am being hypersensitive.  Question is, say I'm right about the "Nazi" part, is "Fourth Reich" a big deal or not really? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:10, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well... If I did say you were right about that part, I suppose it wouldn't be much of a further stretch to say "Fourth Reich" isn't important. But to be honest, I can't see much of an argument against the Nazi words apart from "I don't like them". Is there any real issue of classification here? 22:13, 25 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I don't understand your question... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:21, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Silly Schuman. Do you actually disagree with classifying Stormfront and Metapedia as Nazis? If so, why? 22:26, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe just WIGO Metapedia? At least until we get actual non-MP entries. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 22:45, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 1. yes, they are neo-Nazis. They are also white spuremacists and that is what is appalling about them in general.  It tends to be the racial crap that draws them into these groups, certain economic policies, say.  2., Nah, let's try to broaden beyond MP asap.  Anyway.  Two questions - does anyone have a problem with my having changed "Fourth Reich" to "Far White"?  and the same question for "Neo-Nazi" to "white supremacists and other racist (etc.)"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:28, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I think WAY over here > is the FAR right. CЯacke ®
 * I do. I think "Fourth Reich" is the clearest and most suitable title. 11:52, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Is the issue just about white racism or racism/supremacism in general? Although I can't come up with many examples off the top of my head - perhaps Arab demonization of Jews, or Japanese nationalism - we should decide what the target is. For us, I guess the white English-speaking white supremacists are going to provide the most material. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   05:02, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, yes, and yes. And yes.  Although we probably will kill this WIGO for being dead and boring and representing such a tiny number of idiots. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  05:05, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Unfront paging WIGO4R
I am not convinced this is a worthy "wigo" project. My understanding is that it was an early attempt to capture what WIGOCP is and extended it to another site. Metapedia was used because it was "another wiki." But that site is just not active enough to justify it's own WIGO. And any other neo-nazis/white supremacist issues can easily be folded into WIGO clog or WIGO world. I think this just dilutes our efforts to build the other WIGOs for very little return. I don't think it showed be deleted but just removed from the front page and link template. If for some reason we get a lot of metapedia or other neo-nazis entries we can resurrect it. 11:33, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I disagree. WIGO4R was intended to be for any online communities who fell into the Nazi category. Metapedia was just the first example we found, and was used as a sort of springboard to test out the WIGO4R concept. I agree that it isn't currently justified in being on the front page, though. 11:52, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If it is not doing well the frontpage is the best place for it. Most people are not going to hunt through the wiki hoping to find a page to laugh at racist wingnuts on. If we give them on up front they are more likely to use it. $\approx$$\pi$ 00:43, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The trouble is, even when it was spawned and the excitement and energy was there, there just was no real info to dig out and report on. Let's face it, neo-Nazism is a tiny, tiny group of crazies, who can probably be covered perfectly well at WIGOclog and WIGOworld. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:50, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

WIGO ASK linkage
Yes, it's definitely not front page material yet. If it keeps rolling, the first place to add the link is at that template at the top of all the other WIGOs, say, in a week or two. If it holds up for longer, then perhaps we'll add it here too. With a much shorter description (putting PJR's name on our main page??? Come on...) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:48, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I think like WIGO 4th Reich we will have to see if it get any momentum first. Nobody has added anything to WIGO Denmark since it started. - User   22:00, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
 * We have a WIGO Denmark page? (If not, we should!) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:16, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It is in the funspace somewhere. I found it one day and added the magic arrows. - User   20:34, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So I boldly made a change to this template and then proudly came here to talk about it and now meekly admit I should have read the talk page first. BUT I think ASK might deserve its own place on the front page at least during its grand opening (so I've left the link). Stuff like this is likely gold to our massive audience of lurkers. Let's not make 'em hunt for it. Revert me if you dare, but remember I'm am a senior sysop around here. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 17:59, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Then why not add a link above WIGO CP? Put it on the message board?  Putting Philip's name on our main page is just silly. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:26, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Gentlemen, I've forgotten to add that a rapidly growing australian pseudo-science site has agreed to consider linking to our article Fun:Tips for preparing and serving human babies if we recipricate and link to them. I expect to achieve the first page in Google search results for several variations on the term "baby recipes". <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 18:05, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually, I think our "Poutine" recipe is a big draw... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:28, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * What? The mighty juggernaut of donair sauce has been overtaken? --Kels 20:37, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I probably just remembered the wrong delicacy from the Great White North, eh? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:48, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Notable versus promotional
Ok. I'm done edit warring over this. . . I'm either going to block the lot of us or else explain that I think many/most/all of our new/lurker traffic must come via CP. Said traffic will be interested in ASK and thus drawn (yet revolted, yet drawn) to peruse the rest of our stuff (and then they will be revolted again). So, I'm judging the inclusion of the ASK link by light of its promotional value (high!) and you folks seem to be working off some strange notability hangover. Open your mind and there will be doughnuts. Include the link. Do it for the lurkers. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 18:12, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So link it at a CP-centric page. Oh, and ask Trent, our "lurkers" come from many other places (hence the "entry point" articles). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:27, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

WIGO ASK Caption
It reads "everyone's (second) favourite CP spin-off." so are we suggesting there are CP spin-offs that people favour more that can have WIGO for it? 13:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone's first favorite CP spin-off is us, K. 19:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Protection
Well, I tried to reduce editing to editors and moving to 'sops, but it kept saying "expiry time invalid". Oh well. 03:48, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

What is going on at CP?
Can famed be changed to famous? Hell, world famous sounds better. ;) BigGuy (talk) 17:07, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose it could be. Let us wait for more opinions, though.  07:15, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

View source
Kitten or not, it is still the Internet. No aping of the Economist's style guide will change this. Just trying to wiki... and ... oo, that's do do, "View source." --76.21.116.27 (talk) 21:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Presto, someone with more than normal wikian powers rescued kitten from limbs of terrible View source. Thank you mister Internet! --76.21.116.27 (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)