Talk:Skeptic's Annotated Bible

More on the Quran and BOM
This article needs more coverage of the SABOM and SAQ(or SAK, if you like to spell Quran Koran).
 * Then do it. ТyUser_talk:Tyrannis 04:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Is "The" a part of the name?
And should it be included in the page title? The website seems to use both forms. Examples of other articles where the article "the" is included in the title: The Sun, The Guardian, The Devil's Dictionary.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:26, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think so, for both counts. Never seen it be "Skeptic's Annotated Bible". FuzzyCatPotato™ (talk/stalk) 17:39, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Skeptic's Annotated Bible answered (or so it thinks)
http://www.berenddeboer.net/sab/

Putting this for my own convenience and commentary, but might serve something for anyone, if anyone is interested.

This is a site that claims to have responded to everything about the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. I don't accept its arguments. It has howlers like "science doesn't know everything" and "were you there" and even "homosexuality is a choice" crap. There are some arguments "well no, check future references" but a good literary work shouldn't have to force readers to jump all over the place to "correct" contradictions. I've chosen some great nuggets from this thing.

This one is basically pseudo-intellecutal hand-waving "science was wrong before" and nothing-intellectual "were you there?". And "Have we ever seen a star form"? Yeah, the Chinese did at 1054 up to today. This is a classic argument by an apologetic who grossly misunderstands the science and uses that ignorance as a means to build on the argument. This person doesn't even clearly express how he thinks the scientists think the solar system formed. Does he think a comet hit something and that's how the solar system formed"?

That conclusion lies in the assumption that the scripture is correct: water has been indeed created at the same time as hydrogen. No it hasn't. And wouldn't this argument with knowledge of chemistry be against "Goddidit"? How can oxygen exist without Helium, Lithium, Berrylium, Boron, Carbon, and Nitrogen existing beforehand? Science (which is technically a process) has the answer: nuclear fusion of hydrogen in stars leads to heavier elements, and explosions can lead to even heavier elements, which includes those in-between. Scripture's answer is God Ex Machina.

Oh, and if science contradicts the Bible, this person just assumes science will eventually be wrong instead of questioning, you know, the Bible.

This is only a technicality and probably pointing out that writers of the Bible don't realize that the moon only reflects sunlight, no need for condescension here, which contradicts with a literal interpretation of the Bible. Person didn't respond to SAB's "And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky?" which I think is a very good point, and that's not bringing up when the moon isn't here at all during some nights.

"Anything that is abortive is clearly sinful" but the Bible also advocates punishing the unborn (for things their ancestors have done) and even implying killing in the unborn such as Genesis 20:18 where wombs are closed (unless absolutely no women were pregnant at the time which I doubt).

I'd imagine it'll still be older than whatever young-earth creationists come up. But scientists have a pretty clear picture of how old the universe is. I'm open for revising the information, but I doubt it'll change drastically.

Starlight problem and White hole cosmology.

This comment is nasty. Children are not extensions of their parents as this comment implies. They are individual human beings, who should be treated as their own and not be judged by their parents' actions. Children are not their parent's objects.

And this comment basically says it's fine innocent children die because they'll be judged in Heaven anyway.

Referring to Genesis 19:8.

This person pretends that there are only two choices, offer guests or your own daughters. I'm sure there are many, many other choices such as defending your place to the teeth or offering money or making threats or anything that doesn't involve selling your daughters to prostitution unless it's complete last resort. But if you're righteous, you probably would've done other things. The person suggests praying for God, but God is supposed to be all powerful and all-knowing. Clearly, he isn't here and he shouldn't need to be prayed to if he's supposed to be good and solve problems.

Referring to how all inhabitants are smited. This assumes everyone and their ancestors are "broken beyond repair". This means the children and babies and the people who aren't involved in this attempted raping are tarnished. To be honest, it sounds like a weak excuse and justifying killing those who have ultimately nothing to do with this. We call this "guilt by association" And there is a statement that homosexuality is "learnt behavior" and that it's "quite easy for men to commit homosexual acts". GTFO. Just like how heterosexual behavior is "learnt" too, I'm sure and it sure why homosexuality and even complete sex change occurs in nature.

Sure, she deserved it because she somehow likes Sodom rather than other reasons such as curiosity or making sure the city is destroyed or maybe an annoying bug was flying in her face and she can't swat it away so she turned around. I don't see this "she desired Sodom" implied anywhere in the Bible. But sure, she deserves it. And if she isn't "good" like Lot's family, wouldn't God know about this and tell Lot to leave her behind?

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/faq.html#violence http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/faq.html#sex

This is supposed to be God's word and Lot is supposed to be a "good guy". And this is a statement against the fundamentalists who insist the Bible should be a guide for family standards (like being against incest, homosexuality, and drunk rape). Given that Lot is supposed to be good and that the Bible is fine describing these acts by this "good" person, this passage is disgusting and no one should defend this crap. Furthermore, these fundamentalists want to "protect" children by advocating censoring innocent children books like just because it is about homosexuality but teach their kids with the guidance of something that contains, and I daresay even promotes, much more repugnant sex acts.

Sure, this is now "historical" account. It's fun changing standards if they're otherwise inconvenient to your "Bible teaches morality and family values" stance. If it is "historical", why isn't Lot punished? Why is this even described in the Bible? If this is supposed to be the word of God, why would God put this there especially if he expects us to root for Lot, who I remind you is supposed to be the good guy?

I'd go on, but this is a sampling of it and I guess I've done more than enough to provide a good picture of that this person thinks or the lengths this person goes to excuse the Bible. 00:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)