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Gay marriage legalized in Vermont
Iowa just legalized it last Friday. Vermont legalized it yesterday I believe. Check it out: and here ("On April 7, 2009, the veto was overriden by the Senate 23–5, and by the House 100–49, making it the first time since 1990 that a Vermont governor's veto was overridden"). There are also plenty of news articles about it, so do some Googling! Four down, 46 left to go. --e|m|c  [TALK] 21:17, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Now that I know for sure
Next person who repeats this stupid piece of shit in a debate with me is getting stabbed in the eyes with a drafting pencil (those really big triangle shaped ones) SirChuckB  16:15, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Do you know what happens if you stick a cat in a bag of sherbert? Matt oblong 16:21, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You get a very annoyed cat, and lots of sherbert on the carpet? -- 17:37, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
 * A frothy pussy? 17:55, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Well, obviously the frog will jump out of the boiling water if you don't put the lid on! --Marty 01:24, 3 April 2009 (EDT) that's why you have to cut off its legs first

Recommend me some blogs
I want to know what blogs people here read. I don't read any at all usually, but i now have a craving. The only blog I've just started reading is paleofuture Runderful 07:39, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * this is the only RW-ish one I read. it's quite good (I WIGO'd one entry a while back). Totnesmartin 08:19, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I like Informed Comment.  He's good on the Middle East.   DogP  10:39, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What about the best science blog ever: pharyngula.  12:10, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Encyclopedia Dramatica
So the other day, I was trollin' up a storm at ED, when I happened upon this pieve of lulz under So Cash/variations

Godspeed Cash
Hey Liberals,

My name is Andrew, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are deceitful, pseudo-intellectual, non-achievers who spend every second of their day censoring conservative speech. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten close to Jesus? I mean, I guess some people need to open their minds, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than homosexuality and evolutionism.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, and I'm the founder of my own online, trustworthy encyclopedia. What have you accomplished, other than "praise fellow liberals"? I also give my homeschooling students straight A's, and have a wife who’s willowy and submissive (we've had sex in the missionary position three times in total; Shit was SO Godspeed). You are all liberals who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.

Pic Related: It's me. My wife is in the kitchen.

LULZ!!! User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 10:48, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Someone should tell them that they misspelled "trusworthy." 11:19, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I seen this paticular piece of "lulz" about a year ago. This shit is so cash!(non-idiot version-"I like it!"). Taytopacket 21:25, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Bloody hell that was brilliant! "We've had sex in the missionary position three times in total!" Priceless. SuperJosh 12:23, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh, the irony
Ok, So I was reading Ann Coulter's latest column (I'm a sick person and I enjoy stupidity, that's why) and I came across something I found really really funny. The basic point is that since Obama had the nerve to ask the CEO of GM to resign, he should start personally firing everybody who gets paid by the government, which brings her to Peter Singer... While ranting on for a few paragraphs, she says this: The esteemed professor Singer also believes sex with animals is acceptable and has no objections to necrophilia -- provided the deceased gave consent when still alive. We're still waiting to hear his views on sex with dead animals. Especially me, as I have no plans for next weekend. Now, call me crazy if you'd like.... But it seems to me that Ann Coulter has just admitted that her idea of a fun weekend is to have sex with dead animals. I know she intends it as a joke, but is she really so dense that she can't see any problems that can arise from that statment? Really. Come to think of it, she's a "lawyer" too.... SirChuckB  12:05, 3 April 2009 (EDT) P.S.Ann also fell for Car and Driver's April Fool's Day Joke.... Delicious


 * Regretably, I can no longer read Ann Coulter's column. You see, my doctor limited me to 1000 words of Ann Coulter per week after I recieved heart palpitineations from attempting to read Godless:the Church of Liberalism.  User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 14:19, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't think I ever got through more than a page or two of her books.... but her columns are usually very funny. SirChuckB  14:39, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I got about a chapter in before I reached the section where she listed 8-10 terrorist attacks made by muslims, then attempted to make a case from banning all Muslims, A-rabs, and brown-ish people from airports on the suspicion of terrorism. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 14:42, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Iowa's Court ruling on Same Sex Marriage
http://www.judicial.state.ia.us/wfData/files/Varnum/07-1499.pdf. It's actually quite a well written, clear document, which is not always the case in legal writing. It specifically addresses the whiny rhetoric from the right, that gay marriage will "harm" all those good and straight marriages. After an Obama Election, a budget that includes openly the costs of war, an agenda for socialized health care, and now this, I wonder if some people are planning their conniption fits right now. -- 13:09, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Today Iowa, tomorrow Minnesota (maybe then Baker and McConnell will not be the only married gay couple in the state). 13:15, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Three down, 47 more to go. 13:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I saw the movie Milk last weekend, and while I was watching it, I thought to myself "thankfully, we're much better today than we were in the 70's when it comes to civil liberties". Then I realized that gay people still can't get married in 47 states, and I realise, no, we're not.   15:09, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * WEll, we are better off, far better off. Its not illegal to be gay anymore, and people are far more comfortable with the idea of gay relatives, friends, neighbors, etc.  But, there is still a long way to go, and we took 8 long years going backwards.  I was talking about "legalized gay marriage within 5 years" when clinton was in office and Romer v. Evans & Lawrence were overturned.  this was before DOMA and bush.  So little time, so much damage. (and don't get me started on teh damage to women's issues "no exemption for health" "I don't FEEL like giving her her birth control" crap.)-- 15:28, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's definately a sign that we're moving forward, slowly (or not considering how recently the last two states came about) but surely. And I'm sure the social conservatives are contemplating jumping off a cliff by now...or maybe they'll just send some more empty (symbolic of their argument) envelopes. I'm thinking rainbow-colored this time. 15:34, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * The sad thing about it is that a few hard core Social conservatives are browbeating the indifferent with their nonsense. Every civil rights issues has gone through this.  When the Anti-miscegenation laws were being debated, religious people (gosh, they turn up a lot on the wrong side don't they?) argued that there were biblical reasons for banning interracial marriage (sound familiar?) that historical precident was against interracial marriage (again, very familiar) and my favorite, that interracial marriage would destroy the god given sacred institution of marriage....... Now that it's been pretty much the thing for a few decades, they've all changed their tunes (see here for example that is, if you can stand it). SirChuckB  15:44, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Speaking of conservatives jumping off a cliff, anyone want to guess if the shooter who rampaged a Citizenship class in NY is going to turn out to be one of those "I hate teh gays and teh n'gers, but most especially the browines who took my job" type republicans? I just saying...-- 16:11, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Apparently he was an Asian immigrant himself. Very sad. 16:27, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's always sad when someone thinks violence is the way to resolve any problem with "the system" or other people, or even a particular person. I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, by the way, in that all these mass murderers end up "shooting themselves".  all of them.  I've never bought that.  I think that we have expert sharp shooters who do their jobs, or cops who do teh deed, but don't tell the media that.  could be wrong, of course, cause that would mean a serious cover up, but man, virtually every case of mass slayings has ended up with the shooter(s) killing himself.  I do wish i knew where all this hatred comes from.-- 16:30, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Quick quote for the lazy, from page 7: "In this case, we must decide if our state statute limiting civil marriage to a union between a man and a woman violates the Iowa onstitution, as the district court ruled. On our review, we hold the Iowa marriage statute violates the equal protection clause of the Iowa Constitution. Therefore, we affirm the decision of the district court."  ħ uman  16:23, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

So how close are we to a "full faith and credit clause" case that nullifies this long and tedious state-by-state fighting? tmtoulouse 16:36, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You're no where near a FF&C case. What is happening is a direct challenge to the aspect of DOMA that says the Feds will not recognize a gay marriage.  They do not have the constitutional right to do that under any circumstance.  Not for taxes, not for INS, not for Passports.  The right to define marriage is without doubt a State Right, and even Scaila the over reactive hyper prairie dog knows that.  DOMA will not fall in its entirety, but gay people legally married in the state they reside in will necessarily be recognized by the US govt.  Here's where it gets even more tricky.  The military is a Federal entity.  so they will have an extremely hard time saying "you can't be married and gay and not out" all at the same time.  1st, part of DOMA falls, then all of DADTDP falls.  Only then will you get an FF&C case, and even then it will be hard to uphold.  why?  Cause states already have some leeway beyond FF&C.  Age of Consent, being one of them.  You take your 12 year old girlfriend into a state where it's ok for her to marry, you come back to your home state, and you'll be arrested for Fraud.  So, there's a lot going on in FF&C that may or may not fall. Depends on who is on the Court when it's heard. -- 17:00, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, lets look at Vermont. I hope the Governer listens to the people rather than his own backwards neolithic religious views. 19:18, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Having read the opinions that come down on this I am not sure about your analysis. States have a pretty limited right to deny marriage. They have no more right to define it as not including homosexual couples as they did inter-racial marriage. The FF&C came pretty quickly in those cases. The "similarly situated people" discussion in the Iowa ruling was one of the better summaries I have read. It spells out very clearly why other limitations on marriage have absolutely no bearing on this discussion. 19:29, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That's why I said it was a wonderful teaching tool. Clearly, the Court knew who would be the audience for this ruling, and it's not your typical lawyer audience.  But this in an Iowa court, not a Federal court ruling on US law.  FF&C will be a much harder game to pull off because of the way it is worded, and because of precedent law, which is not at the time, on gay right's side by one set of arguments.  "States have a pretty limited right to deny marriage' is NOT what this court said. IOWA does.  specifically because of Iowa's Constitution.  But a state like Colorado, where a constitutional amendment was passed against gay rights does not have that "problem".  There is no conflict between Constitution and law, cause it's not a law.  Also, Iowa has a strong history in it's laws and constitution about seeing gays as a protected class.  That language appears (intentionally) no where in Colorado's statutes.  Gays are not protected at state level from discrimination in employment, from Hate Crimes, etc.  This ruling, even with teh exact same judges, would not have happened in any of the 23 states that have amendments banning marriage of gays. -- 14:18, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Hehe, you said "marriage of gay". That's awesome. By the way, gays aren't prohibited from getting married anywhere (except, you know, to each other).  ħ uman  20:04, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Conservatroll
Okay everyone, I'm on vacation. Among other things, this means that I have a fresh, clean IP address to edit CP from, and my rangeblocked house has been escaped. I'd like to start a game of Conservatroll. Who's up for it? User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 14:26, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I can't; TK gave me a /20 block after I used Tor carelessly. 14:32, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Do you have an Itouch or Iphone? Generally, if you access wifi through those, your IP address is diffrent enough to escape rangeblock. When I eit from my house, my IP is 20.something, but when I edit from Itouch, it is 66.something.  User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 14:45, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If only the software allowed larger blocks TK would be typing 20.0.0.0\8 and 66.0.0.0\8 as we speak. - User   19:26, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

It doesn't matter, he still wouldn't find out my current IP, which is what he would need to rangeblock. 67.135.49.11219:59, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * That must have taken a lot of effort. - User   20:04, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * (sorry, forgot to log in) So are you in for a game? We need 3 people, at least. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 20:13, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I have only one spare IP, I'll have to give it some thought. - User   04:07, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Wiki finances
As some may have noticed a few days ago the site was down for a few hours, this was because of a blown transformer somewhere between my house and Buffalo. This highlights that there is still some equipment improvements that should be made. At the very least we should have a much higher grade surge protector than I currently am using and ideally a power backup that covers us for the few hours that any electricity outage is likely to take.

That said, the funds earned in our last drive plus the few people who have continued their support the last few months are now used up. The monthly cost of the wiki is about $50 (pays for our backup server and the extra costs of the bandwidth/dedicated IP address for hosting the site on my broadband). I would like to get a few more months costs in the RW account, it is good peace of mind for everyone I think.

I am thinking we need about $100 for a good power backup/surge protector plus or minus ten bucks, and 3-4 months server expenses looking at trying to raise $300 or so.

I would, however, like to explore ways to do this in the least intrusive, yet most effective manner. And also any recommendations on how to "spread the burden" around better so that it is not the same few users given large chunks again and again. Any thoughts would be appreciated. tmtoulouse 16:33, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Hmm. How much money do you manage to pull in from the ads? User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 16:38, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * There are currently no ads anywhere on the wiki, so none. tmtoulouse 16:40, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Whoops, my bad. When I signed up they had ads all ove the place, and I didn't know they were discontinued.  User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 16:41, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Either way, ads don't usually pay much unless you've got a big audience or a lot of people click on them. It's only when you're as big as Facebook or Google do people consider you as good advertising space and get preparared to properly shell out for it. You could consider applying for grant money. It is, after all, the Rational Wiki. Perhaps stuff like the James Randi or Richard Dawkins foundations for instance. It's a stretch but it doesn't hurt to consider these kinds of things. Depends on the scale of course, big foundations would probably have a greater admin cost to processing the application than the money RW would need from it!  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 17:05, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Then we could do a side-by-side of our application vs andy's. Totnesmartin 17:08, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If people can identify a funding source that seems plausible it can be reviewed. tmtoulouse 17:11, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Another consideration re grants is that, for the first time, we'd have to jump through somebody else's hoops. If we got funded but with rules like "get rid of funspace" or "stop making insinuations about CPers private lives", would we want that? Totnesmartin 17:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hell, they might demand that we stop editing when drunk, then where would we be?  ħ uman  20:29, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

I also don't think it is needed, we have probably 100 users to check in at least a few times a week I would bet. If we could get the majority of users to toss $5 at the site then we are done September. If they go as high as $10 you wont hear anything about money till next year. tmtoulouse 17:23, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * A few weeks ago, because they were hit with such a sudden surge in traffic, wikileaks would not let people access the site without making a donation. It is a little extreme, but is the sort of things others have done in our situation. - User   19:40, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hardly fair for such as CUR? HEY, YES DO IT 19:46, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually, I might, just might, be able to scrape up ten dollars, even though I'm saving up for a green anole, as well as a Patricia Briggs book. -- 19:49, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC)I just had a thought, how about we do a one off "ransom" of sysop rights? Everyone would get them back at the end of the fund raiser, if you want them in the mean time you have to pay. - User   19:53, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Maybe we could make CUR get a paper route. TheoryOfPractice 19:54, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Can't, not old enough. What I could do is. . . let's see. . . I could always see if anyone wants to by anything I've made (I'm not a great artist, but some of my poetry is good). Wait! We could have an art sale! People could order pieces of work over the innertubes. Might work, might not. -- 19:58, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

(undent) My office will send a check for US$20 for this valuable legal research aid. '''I suggest those of us that are actually paying attention to this thread make a pledge and stick to it. Trent doesn't have to pay for this and it doesn't cost that much if enough people contribute. I'm paying more attention to this site than NPR and I give THEM money, so FYI it costs US$.72, NZ$1.50, £0.81, AU$2.05, to get a letter up to one ounce (US), 20 gm (NZ), 50 gm (AU) to Trent Toulouse, Department of Psychology, Neuroscience and Behaviour, McMaster University, 1280 Main St. W., Hamilton, ON, Canada L8S 4K1.'''  Nutty Roux 20:13, 3 April 2009 (EDT) Wait, we drank through all the rent money again?!  ħ uman  20:14, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

I have stolen money from the catfood fund and sent it to TMT. My cats are now looking at me in a weird way with that weird frozen-face thing and those glowering eyes. Please send me money for catfood. DogP  20:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Check your inbox, trent. 20:21, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I just tried to make a Paypal payment, but it kept timing out & making me start over. Will try again when I'm sober. 20:23, 3 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Can we send cash? I'm insanly paranoid about my real identity. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 12:40, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You could I spose. You could also get a PO money order thing and not put your name stuff on it?  Don't forget to mail from a different town/zip code than you live in...  ħ uman  20:06, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't have a paypal account (& don't trust the interweb with my bank details - paranoia) but I've got a friend who has. 12:47, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Dear You
Please join me at the Smart Bar after the Ladytron show at the Metro in Chicago tonight. Pints on me. I'll be the one wearing a bowler and a monocle. Nutty Roux 21:53, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sadness, not there. Sterilewalkie-talkie 22:13, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * [[image:wtf.gif]] 22:15, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ah, another one from the Windy City. Regrettably, I am over a thousand miles away, and cannot attend.  User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 23:06, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sounds like a velvet goldmine to me.  ħ uman  00:47, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Bah! Just saw this. And am jealous. Cranking up "Destroy everything you touch" to try and feel better. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:37, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I suspect it's a great conspiracy of all our UK & Ireland friends to get us to move there. ;-)

Wicked sounds
Dunno if this is to anyone/everyone's taste, but I'm listening to this concert right now, and it's about the most incredible thing I've heard in a long time. Give it a shot, the two genres might not sound appealing individually to you, but the combination makes something that's entirely different. Certainly the audience reaction to track 4 is very well deserved. Thought I'd pimp share. --Kels 20:49, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Buck 65 is way cool.  Ever hear his soundtrack for the documentary Big Rig?   Top notch stuff all 'round.   I saw him live last year or so and he was the shiznit.   DogP  02:37, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, there's a lot of rappers that call themselves "lyrical poets", but this is the guy who actually lives up to it. Plus, avant-garde blues/jazz/IDM/whatever in some of his older stuff.  I only just got into him, really.  BTW, do you (or anyone) know how I could rip the sound from that concert?  There seems no easy way to get the tracks. --Kels 10:34, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I know how to do it on a Mac...but Windows, I've no idea?  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:20, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I find that you can learn a lot about people by looking at their top most played songs on whatever their music program(usually iTunes). So Kels, what is


 * 1) Your number one most played song
 * 2) Its play count
 * 3) Your number 2 played song
 * 4) Its play count

You can infer a lot from those pieces of information. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 12:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Haven't a clue. I don't use iTunes, and don't want to.  A lot of the time I'll just put my entire music collection into WinAmp and set it on random.  Sometimes I'll get a bug and want to listen to Buck 65, or They Might Be Giants, or Eliza Gilkyson, or the Xenogears Creid album, or Broken Social Scene, or Rush, or whatever, and put that on alone.  Or I might listen to my friend's internet radio, which is mostly stuff like Deep Forest, Weird Al, mashups and chiptunes.  Or I might not listen to music while I work at all, and turn on random TED Talks on YouTube instead.  Depends on the day. --Kels 12:20, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh, Kels. It was all going so well until you mentioned Rush.   Oh dear.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:21, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I pity you, poor thing. --Kels 12:34, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Normally, I hate Macs, but iTunes and the Itouch are exceptions. They are just so much better than any other product. Could you at least give me a guess? Is there you listen to more? User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 12:24, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hmm...Not necessarily. I guess over the past few months the stuff I've been listening to most has been:
 * Buck 65
 * DJ CPI
 * d'Espairs Ray
 * Dir En Gray
 * Gorillaz (originally attracted because of Jamie Hewlett's animations)
 * Jonathan Coulton
 * The Kinks
 * Mike Doughty, especially his live shows
 * Moxy Fruvous, especially their lives, as above
 * Pink Floyd
 * Supertramp
 * The Black Mages
 * The Real Tuesday Weld
 * Tom Waits
 * Plus a smattering of various artists, IDM, rock, hip-hop, experimental, J-Rock, classics, remixes, mashups and the like. Does that help at all? --Kels 12:34, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

It does tell me things, but I already know most of them- (obviously young, likes brandy and Houris, favors more alternative music such as instrumental rock, remix, etc.)I con't get nearly the level of accuracy as I would if I knew the genres music better. It's sorta out of my field. Take, for example, Z3ro, who prefers classical music, which I know much better. It would be much easier for me to judge his music library. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 13:15, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You're way off when it comes to age, at least in terms of calendar. In terms of mentality, attitude, and so forth, then you're definitely right.  There's little relation between the two in my case.  As far as music goes, I'm a bit hard to pin down, given that I put this, this, this, this, and this all on equal footing, as far as enjoyment goes.  Suffice to say, I'm eclectic. --Kels 13:24, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh, and I don't actually care for brandy all that much, I prefer a nice red or dry white wine. --Kels 13:32, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I created a RWW article on the Gentlemen Club. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 13:33, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

It's been far too long
The gentlemen on this liberal website have reminded me of how much insane fun this place used to be. So I present to all of you - Gentlemen, Ladies, and dumbass Catheriantwerps: Let's break this wiki! (We ladies will clean it up in time for the blue Monday morning, of course.) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:26, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It'd be much more enjoyable to demote and block CUR. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 00:30, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Fair game at this point I'd say, although it seems mean, the kid needs a few days off. Then we'll wreck the wiki. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:43, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Did we properly trash the old server, btw?  I know there was some rampant wandalizm going on there whe I last went in and knocked over the piano.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  02:38, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Crumpets
Am now eating toasted crumpets slathered with butter, brought to my bed by houri. 01:14, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Given it's late and I've been drawing all day, I'll just take the bed part. G'night. --Kels 01:28, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * G'night, Kels. 01:29, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * G'night, Gentlemen, may we Ladies now retire from our servitude and get some chores finished and perhaps some sleep before the morrow beckons? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:37, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Night all.  Maybe Fulham will beat Liverpool yet.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  02:39, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

My Saturday Evening
Just because I now you're just keeling over to know, I spent the evening at Picthers (a local bar) drinking it up for a friend’s birthday. Then I went home to continue drinking for free and played some Star Wars on the Wii and then made some waffles.... I am now going to sleep. Night all, further bulletins as events warrant. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  06:18, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * My Saturday night consisted of waking up on someones couch on Sunday morning and discovering that my shoelaces had been tied together. Unable to undo the knot, I grabbed a kitchen knife and hacked away at my shoes until I was free. Now I am watching the Formula One (rain and all) in broken shoes. Ace McWickedRevolt 06:28, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

Featured articles
Does anyone have any ideas? I'd nominate science, and maybe, after some clean-up, star. -- 13:15, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Uh, CUR, we already have cats for Best of RW, Almost the Best of RW, Best of Science, Cover Story, etc.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  13:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes, yes. The question is, should any of our recently expanded articles be added? Should we add more cover stories? That is the question. -- 13:20, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * First you bring it up on the article's talk page... including your reasons... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:29, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

An old gem
I just re-found this on the Cyanide and Happiness website. Enjoy (Kinda out of season, but the heck with it). 14:07, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

It pales in comparison to the book I'm reading, The Onions's Our Dumb World. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 14:17, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If it's anywhere near as good as Our Dumb Century it's a must-read... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:30, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

A philosophical question
This is a strange topic, so let me give you the background first: MSNBC has a show called Dead Man Talking and I had nothing better to do so I watched today’s episode, about a shooting in Kentucky. I was struck by two things: early in the show, they had the parents on talking about how, as Christians, she was so grateful that her son had "found the lord" before he was killed and how she gets great comfort from her faith. Then later, as the killer was sentenced, after he went to the police to confess and led them to the still uncovered body, he begged them for forgiveness, saying that their forgiveness was the only way he could get through it. Those same parents were in the courtroom and the mother talked about how she could never forgive him and he's a horrible person and the twenty year sentence he received wasn't enough and etc etc etc.

So here's my real point. How can someone be such a good Christian and still miss out on one of the most central points of the faith: forgiveness. I understand it's hard, I get that. I hope I never have to suffer through the pain of losing a family member to such violent and destructive forces. But that said, I would still like to think, despite not being religious, that I could see past my anger and at least give them the forgiveness they seek. Jeez, Pope John Paul II forgave the man who nearly killed him, which is commendable. But why is it that so many people claim the faith, but don't subscribe to the basic rules laid out by the leading figure of the church itself. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  17:20, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Not wishing in any way to demean this poor woman's terrible loss, but I'd say it's because of the tendency to cherry-pick those bits of faith that align with her natural sense of loss and anger. The whole heaven thing gives the hope that death isn't the end; that they'll all meet up again and the loss is only temporary. But at the same time she has a very natural hatred for the person who took her son from her. Very cynical of me, I know.Silvermute 16:55, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's not cynical, it's human. There was an episode on West wing, based on something asked of Gore, i think.  about "what would you want to see happen if your daughter were raped and killed" regarding the death penalty.  The real candidate gave some very unemotional answer... The west wing answer (with the luxury of paid writers and time) said "I would want to see that many flayed alive.  That's why our legal system doesn't allow fathers to inflict the punishments".  Grief, loss, stress, fear -- they do a wack job to your moral codes, your ideals, your fundimental logic.  There is a branch of Ethics called "feminist ethics" that argues that "for too long, ethics has been the sport of the mind.  But true ethics resides in the heart and soul, where split second decisions happen, and where emotion rules".  I don't care what my religion is, you kill my "baby" (no matter how old they get, they are still your baby), and i want to see you suffer... long, slow, painful suffering.  doesn't make me less a moral person, just makes me a human one.-- 17:13, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It is highly amusing to see people who are accustomed to chatter on sanctimoniously with flighty theories of "morality" abruptly change their tune when said theories are put to the test. 17:20, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I have to say that the West Wing answer is pretty damn good. If a real politician said it, that'd be even better. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:12, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Uhhh. . . Gentlemen. ..
We have a problem. It would appear that Ken's Operations didn't go so badly after all. I suggest that we find where the biggest hits are (using links:[website address]) and figure out a way to remove them. -- 19:44, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I fail to see what the problem is. The more people laughing over Kens "entries" the better. You think he is going to convince anyone? Ace McWickedRevolt 20:02, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Exactly.  There's not a single thing anyone could do that would make people dismiss Creationism more than just to have Ken be the world's go-to guy on the topic.   As I and many others have always maintained, I suggest we try to figure out how to get his batshit insane articles all the way to the top of the Googlerific charts.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  20:19, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Lol whut? <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 20:38, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC)Reasons this annoys me:
 * You have broadcast something that is almost identical to one of shoutout over the intercom.
 * We have pointed out to him several times that Google rankings are overall unimportant and yet you are treating it like it is.
 * We have pointed out several times that the only links that allow bot follows on them are all laughing at him.
 * I thought you were gone for three days and here you are doing work for him.
 * You are using the intercom for something unimportant drawing unnecessary attention to yourself.
 * If someone wants to do something about article Conservapedia:Evolution has remained unchanged for several months (please don't start editing it CUR it has enough problems already).
 * To summarise my points, don't buy into shit. 65.60.9.250 20:48, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Uhhhh, Gentle-cheetah. Get a life. The only thing worse than Ken's Google-bombing is someone giving a shit about it. "We" don't have a "problem." "You" on the other hand, "may" "have a problem." Surely there must be something better for you to worry about? And what the hell happeved to that three-day break? Jesus Christ, a little consistency would be nice. TheoryOfPractice 20:45, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * My reaction is "yeah, and?"...-- 20:49, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Only liberals strive for consistency. Ace McWickedRevolt 20:53, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Besides, I think that only works if you specifically go to google and ask for "theory of evolution". If you try "evolution" or "natural selection" or "darwin", i.e., the more common and better used terms, you don't really get Conservapedia popping up much on the front page. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:07, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * So I overeacted a bit. Still, there are enough people who don't know beans about evolution so that it would be preferable for some poor person not to stumble upon it and take it as truth. -- 16:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

I do not have cats, I have squirrels
They are both curled up on my bed, tails tucked under them like the rodents they chase. And they are both stoned on Olives. Lord love a duck. I should be stoned so easily.-- 21:17, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Um... what? 199.33.173.1 21:19, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Never mind. it's one of those non-sequitors which necessitate being said, but which never require any response other than "what the hell have you been smoking, and can I have some!" -- 21:23, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * They been puttin' drugs in yer Aplo, tux boy? Secret Squirrel 21:25, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I had a fucking pet squirrel for a few days a year or two ago. Trust me, you do not want pet squirrels.  Damn thing trashed two window screens, knocked shit over, ate crap out of the compost bowl, etc. etc.  I think there were a pair in the attic this winter, I saw them pop out and run across a fucking wall on their way to the ground.  And, oh yeah, that pet one could fucking fly as well.  Made me want to invest in some Lady Like defensive weapons of gun. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:08, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * A derringer, no doubt. Fictional pet squirrels, I would imagine, would be superior to the real sort. --Kels 22:13, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ah, I see the problem already. You think of animals as "pets".  Think of them instead as "companion animals".  Then when your companion animal squirrel trashes window screens etc, accept it and go with the flow.  It's all cool and chill out and all that, and just be.  Secret Squirrel 22:59, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but since I have to clean out my companion animan's animal's litter box, doesn't that mean i should get some bennies, like pets?-- 23:18, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I could use a few bennies myself, right now. Got any?  Secret Squirrel 23:26, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Bad squirlz. -- 16:37, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

I truly loathe squirrels. They infest my backyard and steal cherry tomatoes. They are pests and should be destroyed, perhaps nuked from orbit. They are nasty beady-eyed little rodents. Cats are the only proper animal companions. Cats are smart and classy. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 21:55, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Cept when they (the cats) pretend to be squirrels. see, it all comes full circle.-- 21:58, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

New Tab names
I'm not the most observant person in teh world, so these new tabs may have been up for months, but I still think they are pretty great. "peer review" and "euthanize" fit right into "fossil record". Someone's on the ball. -- 10:27, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Nice!! But I'd prefer "evolve" rather than "mutate". Gauss 10:36, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That would need to depend on who is editing, I think. Some people evolve a talkpage conversation, while others mutate it...
 * Can we change the blocking procedure to "abort" as well? Bondurant 10:41, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm quite in agreement that we "mutate" not evolve. Especially since I've made many of my contributions be the type of "has no effect to survival", and a few that "are threatening to survival" of the page/wiki.  ;-)-- 11:04, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * While great, they're a lttle confusing at first :p <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:08, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, yeah. I keep "peer reviewing" when i mean to "mutate".  ;-)  When did they appear, and who is the 'sponsible party?-- 11:17, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "Vaporize" was changed to "Euthanize" by a BoN. As I stated on the talk-page there, I prefer "Vaporize." 11:19, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh, is that what euthanize took away.  vaporize was better.  I thought euthanize was one of the block  or ignore this page.  Vaporize sounds more fun.  I love the feeling of vaporizing something. *big wide silly grin*.-- 11:32, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * The "BoN" was Pi, wasn't it? Someone masquerading as CP's IP address changing our tabs to evolution-friendly terms. I like it. And it's not hard to see what's going on, as the tooltips are still there if you mouse over the tabs. Bondurant 11:32, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What in blue blazes has euthanasia to do with evolution-friendliness? That sounds like something 🇰🇪 might say. 11:51, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * We couldn't come up with a good verb form of "extinct"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:34, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Exterminate?  15:36, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Teamwork! I like it... should the "opposite" be resuscitate or resurrect?  Hehe... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:41, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I like resuscitate better due to less religious implications; unless that's what we're going for.  15:46, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I was teh joking, but mockery was the intent. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:05, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Old But Funny
Do ho ho. Those comics...DSFARGEG 14:41, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ah, good ol' indoctrination, strawman, and downright bullshit. ENorman 16:02, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's like Jack Chick.. but in color. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 17:31, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Hoax or not
Okay, so I should have confirmation on this in a couple days, but in the meantime I'd like to see what everyone thinks. My wife has a coworker who went home early from work yesterday complaining of stomach pains. She goes to the hospital and (this is where the hoax comes in) claims she had a baby. She did not know she was pregnant.

I say, this is some sort of elaborate joke/excuse to get out of work. I should know in a few days when my wife's coworker shows/does not show up/ with a baby. So what does everyone think. Can this happen, where a woman is pregnant and does not know it until she gives birth? Think she's faking? For the record, I know nothing about this woman's personality to know if she is the kind that would host an elaborate practical joke like this. 14:48, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Purely from recollection and with no proof to hand; I have heard of this sort of thing before but it is definitely not common. The woman would have had to be dieting and anorexic (which can stop regular menstruation) but the foetus would probably be malnourished. Or else the woman would have to be fat enough that another 8 pounds wouldn't really make a difference. I also understand that some people (esp. vegetarians) can develop a pot belly because of yeast infections and actually know several young women who exhibit this trait. unfortunately our regular MD hasn't made many housecalls recently so you'll have to accept my layman's pap diagnosis. <font color=Blue>Генгис    15:00, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

I know of a case that happened over 60 years ago during the Second World War. It was a middle aged woman who thought she was in the menopause when her periods stopped. There are rare cases when a woman carries on menstruating during pregnancy, I don't know how that happens. I know of a girl about 7 or 8 years old and the reason she's alive is that her mother carried on menstruating and didn't know she was pregnant till she was beyond the legal limit for an abortion. Fortunately a different family has adopted her, I'm pro-choice but if the mother would have preferred an abortion it's much better that the child is with someone else.

I suggest you wait a few days and find out one way or the other. Proxima Centauri 15:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Two examples, one second-hand, one fictional (both due to obesity) - years ago I heard that the very large woman who worked at a town office had a baby without realizing she was pregnant (does obesity affect regularity of menstruation, too?), and the other in MPFC's Meaning of Life, "Birth, the Third World (Yorkshire)". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:37, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh, thrid (also fictional) example, Peggy in Mad Men had a baby without realizing she was pregnant, too. Combination of lack of knowledge and denial in that case. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:38, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Also, poor sex education can lead women to believe that they cannot be pregnant because "he didn't ejaculate inside" or it "wasn't the right time of the moon" or some other old wive's tale/urban myth. <font color=Blue>Генгис    15:42, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * There was a very famous case in Ireland back in 1984 of a young schoolgirl who kept an entire pregnancy hidden for the full term, until she tragically died alone in a graveyard at night, haemorraghing from the birth.  Desperately sad case, but yes, apparently no-one recognized she was pregnant.   Mind you, we can assume she herself knew.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  15:55, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I remember that. Just another instance of religious prudery causing more harm than it prevents. With regards to my own sex-education I was an auto-didact (both school and parents failed in imparting any meaningful information). I have seen a few of the recent Channel4 sex education programmes and they are way beyond what was available in my youth. Not only with regards to sexual relations but also to personal hygiene and health. <font color=Blue>Генгис    17:51, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * First baby born in the new birthing wing of one our major local hospitals was to a women who went in complaining of stomach pains only to be told she was in labour. The father was told he was infertile because of an accident and the mother had a bout of illness early in the pregnancy so had put the fact she was not menstruating down to that; she was also a bit over weight so she probably didn't show greatly and they didn't come across in the TV interviews as the sharpest knives in the draw. I'll try and dig an article up on them for you. - User   03:51, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

In case anyone cares, story update: it appears that the story is true. I've seen pictures of the new baby, apparently born to the coworker who did not know she was pregnant. Truly sucks for her. 10:08, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Does she have any idea how it happened? <font color=Blue>Генгис    15:57, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, she has a pretty good idea how it happened; when is another story. An interesting twist that I didn't know, she plays rugby, and was playing while pregnant, without noticing it.  She's not heavy, which makes it even more amazing.  Her and her boyfriend are now frantically trying to take care of a baby they had no intention of having, with no time to prepare.   16:40, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
 * My previous post was TIC but it's a bummer that she ended up like this. Never even having had the option to do anything about it. <font color=Blue>Генгис    17:43, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Not to be a wet blanket, but she/they/he could have "done something" about it - nine months ago or so. Assuming they weren't using BC and it failed, of course. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:06, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

hi everyone!
Thought I'd drop by and say hi, and let everyone know that i'll be getting married in a few months, cheers! 16:35, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * CONGRATS!-- 16:38, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Congrats from me also! It'll be my turn soon enough. Ace McWickedRevolt 16:40, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Congratulations from me also!!!!!!! (should I give him a celebritorial block?) -- 16:41, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Commiserations old chap. It's still not too late to change your mind but I hope things work out in the long run. <font color=Blue>Генгис    17:27, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for all the good wishes! Genghis, I DON'T want to change my mind, thank you very much, but I do hope you do quickly find true happiness and love. Shalom!
 * Best of, and all that comes it, DLerner. Don't be shy, drop in sometimes when your beloved is asleep or occupied and say "hello". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:07, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Congratulations, DLerner!
 * (I'm also getting married next month :-) )Bondurant 03:35, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What have all these women done to deserve this? 03:39, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * They read Schlafly's Invisible Hand of Marriage essay and were never the same again. Totnesmartin 03:49, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Is that an article about how men will visit Mrs. Hand if they don't get their needs satisfied? <div style="display:inline; display:inline-block; zoom:1; *display:inline; margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-2px; position:relative; left:0px; top:0px; width:30px; height:10px; z-index:2;"><div style="display:block; width:30px; height:10px; line-height:10px; letter-spacing:30px; font-size:px; overflow:hidden; position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; z-index:3;">  [[Image:Xena symbol.png|Xena|text-bottom|30px]] 21:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh my [insert deity/law of physics of choice]! I just google invisible hand of marriage - it's only out on DVD!!!!!!!!! Totnesmartin 03:52, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Mazeltov and congrats to both of you - wishing you many years of happiness together. I shall keep flying the flag for batchelordom (or at least friends-with-benefits-dom) on this side. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:35, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Sweden, Iowa, and Vermont in the course of a week?
Think the social conservatives may be losing it a bit... but that override just completely destroyed Douglas' veto. Text of the bill H275 here. 17:06, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I was kinda hoping they were thinking "We have a recession, why does it matter if gays can or can't marry? Sure, let's pass it." ENorman 17:24, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Or better yet, a completely free way to stimulate the economy that'll probably be more effective than any government subsidy. According to the UCLA at least. 17:29, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * And Vermont's was done by legislature. No whining from the Right about "Activist Judges" and "runaway court systems".  Course, they'll whine about "liberal takeovers' but those liberals were elected.  This is the first by legislation, right?-- 17:41, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * WfG, in the US, for full marriage, yes. Some states (like NH) have civil unions passed by legislature/signed by governor. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:56, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Who wants to be the person who updates same sex marriage? I was psyched to hear the override news. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:57, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "Welcome to Michigan. Please set your clocks back thirty years.. I fuckin' HATE it here sometimes. TheoryOfPractice 21:14, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Look at it this way, first time home buyers are looking at home prices that are a snapshot of thirty years ago. <div style="display:inline; display:inline-block; zoom:1; *display:inline; margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-2px; position:relative; left:0px; top:0px; width:30px; height:10px; z-index:2;"><div style="display:block; width:30px; height:10px; line-height:10px; letter-spacing:30px; font-size:px; overflow:hidden; position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; z-index:3;">  [[Image:Xena symbol.png|Xena|text-bottom|30px]] 21:25, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * And just a couple years before the end of Carter's term. That means conservatives can relive all the joy of the Reagan administration! A dream utopia for Reaganites everywhere. Their slogan can be "Why live the present, when you can stay stuck in the past! Relive the glorious years of the Reagan administration, a conservative's paradise. So come on down to Michigan today!" 23:30, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's not all doom and gloom in Detroit. Ford didn't take any bailout money, and they've got a nice lineup of hybrids and cars with downscaled engines that are going to hit the showrooms.  Its always darkest before the dawn. <div style="display:inline; display:inline-block; zoom:1; *display:inline; margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-2px; position:relative; left:0px; top:0px; width:30px; height:10px; z-index:2;"><div style="display:block; width:30px; height:10px; line-height:10px; letter-spacing:30px; font-size:px; overflow:hidden; position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; z-index:3;">   [[Image:Xena symbol.png|Xena|text-bottom|30px]] 09:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Deficits
Don't know how many of you have seen this but just "What does a trillion dollars look like?" <font color=Blue>Генгис    17:42, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I believe it was Douglas Adams who said "If there is one thing man cannot afford to have, it's perspective." ENorman 19:21, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Doug and me were born on the same day. A shame he didn't make it this far. <font color=Blue>Генгис    02:46, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * <Pedantry corner> Doug and I. 03:15, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If it was in an article I would have used correct English but this is a talk page and I used the vernacular - just the way you used "gams". <font color=Blue>Генгис    10:11, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * We had a guy on one of our financial shows put it into perspective in an interesting way. 1 million seconds = 11 days; 1 billion seconds = 32 years; 1 trillion seconds = 31,700 years. Scary. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:18, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Our boys in blue
I just want to blow off a little steam about this little incident. So, it's hard nowadays to tell the difference between a protester and an innocent bystander. That still shouldn't give the police the right to push him to the ground. Official whitewash starting in one... two... three... Silver Sloth 07:00, 8 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Military and police forces, really should have a more careful selection process... (i dont know what it actually is like, but by the looks of some things that happen...). It is, after all, giving whoever get's the job fair bit of power (at least physical power), which should come with responsibility. These kind of things shouldn't happen... LynadHello? 09:58, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Bush bowed too
For anyone that has no functioning cortex and doesn't understand international protocal and diplomacy..... I give you.... By the way, Bush also allowed the king to put a medal around his neck. God help Obama if he ever even considered doing that shit. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  11:28, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Caesar got down on his kneepads before Queen Cleopatra also, and it even looked a little bit like that.<div style="display:inline; display:inline-block; zoom:1; *display:inline; margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-2px; position:relative; left:0px; top:0px; width:30px; height:10px; z-index:2;"><div style="display:block; width:30px; height:10px; line-height:10px; letter-spacing:30px; font-size:px; overflow:hidden; position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; z-index:3;">  [[Image:Xena symbol.png|Xena|text-bottom|30px]] 12:38, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm Ghana makes some puns about Africa
Kenya guess what they will be? ENorman 16:27, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Nope. Not a clue. -- 16:44, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm just gonna Zaire and wait. --Kels 16:49, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yemen, Uganda right idea. Now get off Djibouti and join in. ENorman 16:58, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Only an Egypt would call Yemen an African country. Totnesmartin 17:19, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It didn't take long for this thread to go South... Africa. --Marty 22:48, 9 April 2009 (EDT) am i doin eritrea?
 * Niger Please <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  23:02, 9 April 2009 (EDT) Don't worry, I'm black
 * Ceylon, say short, say, end this silly retort. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:29, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

I've Addis up to here with this thread. TheoryOfPractice 23:37, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I am gonna East Cape this conversation and go suck my girlfriends Libya. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 23:40, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Tunisia settle down, Chad. 23:46, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Thems fighting words! Rwanda go outside and settle this? Ace McWickedbitch and moan
 * You know what? I don't Cairo anymore, I'm off to the Liberia to check out some books.  Just be careful or Uganda go crazy. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  23:51, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You congo fuck yourself. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 23:54, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I've already Benin a scrap tonight. You want Togo?  23:58, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ok OK, its Natal bad you know. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 00:02, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
 * This rash of bad puns was a bit Sudan wasn't it? Perhaps somebody put something in Namibia and I'll awake with an awful Angola. I was Senegal who drank two Botswana got really Rwanda and Lesotho her Burundi-wear, she then fell down so Uganda her Libya and I noticed she'd something Upper Volta before she finally Cameroon. Well I can't just Gabon, I have Togo so I'd better get my Cote d'Ivoire before the Zanzibar closes. However, I'll be Bechuanaland before you know it. Abyssinia! <font color=Blue>Генгис    01:40, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'll be Cey in ya all when this is lon over, I hope. Kenya end it soon? &mdash; Unsigned, by: human / talk / contribs
 * Olduvai to sick around and see where this goes, but Biafra I waste too much time, I'm in a Harare and have to get Gauteng outta here.--PsyGremlinWhut? 07:36, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ouidah hell is this still going on? Dahomeys who wrote it can all Borgu off. Fez the facts - it's only Guinea get worse if we Cairo on. I mean, what's the Punt? Totnesmartin 12:38, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
 * To see just how much Bulawayo we can come up with? --PsyGremlinWhut? 03:22, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It's getting Limpopo now, Ashanti do any more. Time to call the Huambolance? Totnesmartin 06:06, 12 April 2009 (EDT)