Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive67

"old news"
We are currently holding a boycott of Conservapedia for the duration of the Olympics

You can do the following things during this time:
 * 1) Watch the Olympics
 * 2) Edit RationalWiki
 * 3) Edit Wikipedia
 * 4) Edit WikiBooks. It is much better than Wikipedia
 * 5) Find some other nutjobs to harass and add it to WIGO:Clogosphere
 * 6) Start your own blog and shamelessly plug it on WIGO:Blogosphere
 * 7) Get back to work, your boss knows that you read RationalWiki
 * 8) Add a goat joke here

Overlong concept for boycott length
You all know that I am always for these boycotts whenever anyone suggests them, but some people are going through withdrawal and the screams are getting ugly (to say nothing of the baby crawling on the ceiling - Andy, is that you?). What say we wrap this up Friday afternoon-ish (8/15), "your" time? A week is plenty, I think, to ignore those twats. We have a job to do, people, and no one else in the modern media world takes more than a week off from providing their audience with fresh goat. Why should we? Discussion?  ħ uman  05:06, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Shit man, I broke ages ago and have been blocked twice.....one for questioning andys assetions here. Ace McWickedwhisky 05:23, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, but I've been doing so well. Maybe we could extend it just a bit longer than Friday?  Maybe Sunday or something, thumbing our nose at the whole, "on the seventh day he rested" thing?  --Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  05:29, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * We'll hear none of the bible talk ya hear! Ace McWickedwhisky 05:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I broke the boycott ten minutes ago... dear lord, I'd forgotten how stupid Andy could get. I'm in favour of cutting it short. Barikada 06:17, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I did even factually edit a couple minor articles at CP. Sorry guys. I feel ashamed. Ace, feel free to block me as well. And yes, I support cutting the boycott. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 08:19, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I second the motion to thumb our nose at the sabbath, but there's disagreement over whether the sabbath is Saturday or Sunday, so we could break it Saturday instead. Either way (breaking it Sat or Sun afternoon) would allow us a little time to work on a "week in review" WIGO before the Monday traffic rolls in.  --Toiretni 12:19, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, then - I'll third that, and propose that the boycott end Friday night with WIGO and other CP-related fun resuming on Saturday. It would also distinguish any noticeable dip in CP page views and activity caused by the boycott from any caused by the Olympics. -SpinyNorman 12:25, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ahem, The Goat's Shabbat is Thursday, (in August), do as ye will, but as of now WIGO is open fer bidness. CЯacke ®  13:00, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I didn't vote regarding the boycott at all, and I stayed away from CP for awhile. I decided to check up on the Lenski stuff to see if anything new was happening. But man, that mysteries page is hilarious! I wonder if he thinks it's a good idea to turn his site into 1/8th "Unsolved Mysteries" style entries. - Lardashe
 * I think Andy's decided that he's less likely to get pwned when dealing with the speculative, but it just makes him come off like a conspiracy nut instead. -SpinyNorman 15:13, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy IS a conspiracy nut. If anyone listens to This American Life, one of the most recent podcasted episodes talks with a UK conspiracy nut who claims that the subway bombings/bus bombing were caused by electrical problems, that the bus bombing was an effort of the government to cover up the cause and to blame terrorists.  He sounds exactly like Andy's method of arguing.  He accuses the interviewer of racism when they point out that they have a videotaped confession provided by one of the attackers.

Andy's conspiracy bent is due to the fact that he thinks that all liberals are inherently dishonest, while all conservatives have the noblest intentions at heart. -Lardashe

American History
Does anyone know how or where one signs up for the glorious in-person class? Just curious if there might be any goats attending. --Toiretni 15:21, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * If you want to take the Eagle Forum University online American History 101 class, taught by Andy (my online encyclopedia is NOT associated with Eagle Form) Schlafly, you can register here. I'm still looking for the in-person signup. -SpinyNorman 15:51, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I know where the in-person signup is. It's more of a imaginary-"where" more than a physical-"where". Remember, you have to be between the ages of 13 and 18--meaning, still in high school. =.= Candlewick 16:02, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * That's not particularly vague, Kettley. 16:55, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I was just trying to be vague on the location of the signup. =.= Candlewick 17:17, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * ^_^ 17:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Too bad I'm Canadian, otherwise I'd meet the requirements. Underage, classy, devilishly handsome... 199.126.151.32 05:48, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

The Fog Clears...
I've been stumped these past few weeks as to why Andy is soooo obsessed with trashing the Vikings and whitewashing Columbus as a heroic explorer motivated by faith above any material interest. Even when I pointed out that Coluimbus only set out on his first voyage after first negotiating a contract granting him unprecedented power and fortune, the story in his lecture is all about Columbus the missionary. Then I started looking around Eagle Forum for links to his American History class, and found this page. Mama Schlafly - the ultimate indisputable, infallible source. -SpinyNorman 15:59, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Manifest Destiny didn't begin on America's eastern shore, it started in Genoa?? Way to take a spectacular idea and make it even better. I suppose Columbus's father and mother meeting for the first time was a special sacred thing that had to happen as well. --Toiretni 16:09, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They highlight anything or anyone that just *happened* to be christian when doing some remarkable. those who are Jewish are "ok, I guess", everyone else is "pagan" and therefore bad.  It's critical to such people that all of human accomplishment is done in God's glory, or else why would god allow it?  If those damned Islamics really invented calculus, or if those Chinese really invented pasta, well what the f is god doing?  God invented everything via his chosen people the Christians.  so there!--Waiting for Godot 17:11, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Funny thing--I remember reading some oddball article suggesting that Columbus had a Messiah complex. (This looks pretty close -- no idea how credible the site is...) --Gulik 00:19, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They work for this University that may tell you something. $\approx$$\pi$ 04:55, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I was afraid of that. :) --Gulik 22:11, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Is anyone else getting this?
Apparently, CP has been redirected to an antivirus scam. --λινυσ (☮) 16:28, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Haha. Hacked?

GET /Main_Page HTTP/1.1 Host: www.conservapedia.com   [ed note: 209.85.100.44] HTTP/1.x 302 Found Location: http://87.248.180.90/in.html?s=sg_err GET /in.html?s=sg_err HTTP/1.1 Host: 87.248.180.90 HTTP/1.x 302 Found Location: http://scanner.antivir64.com/?aff=1050   [ed note: 89.149.235.235, 78.47.168.82]
 * --Toiretni 16:35, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I encountered it, too. Anyone know if it downloads malware? I killed the session without clicking on anything, but better safe than sorry. --Phentari 16:36, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't use MSIE and you'll be okay. --Toiretni 16:37, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I believe this is an attack against RW now that the boycott is off. Thank-goodness I engage in safe-cybersex. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis   16:39, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * It's happening regardless of referer, and from all IPs I've tried (three separate IPs so far, as well as w3's validator). --Toiretni 16:42, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I wonder who'll get blamed... CorryTalk 17:11, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I use Fire fox, and still get it, so am i more safe then if i used MSIE?--Waiting for Godot 17:12, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * It's happening to me whether I use IE or Firefox, and it seems to be an attack on CP, not RW, because no matter how I try to access CP I get the same scam. Lame.  -SpinyNorman 17:13, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It was meant to be a joke - celebrating RW's return to the forbidden fruit. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis   17:39, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I got it when I was trying to go to my college's bookstore. =.= Candlewick 17:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Good to know it's not just me. Yes, the "antivir64" site will try to download and run an EXE file, if you let it. Don't. :)  (And FWIW, the site http://www.antivir64.com/ looks basically legit (albeit registered to someone with a Finnish name based in Russia). Somehow http://scanner.antivir64.com/ goes to a different IP address (see output of whois antivir64.com, host scanner.antivir64.com. Is that supposed to be allowed, or is that just evidence of further HACKS on the part of the Moldovan scammers?
 * And just for extra kicks, could someone post a translation of the Finnish Wikipedia article on "Martti Peltonen", the name of the owner of antivir64.com? Google Translate does a pretty good job, but leaves all the nouns in Finnish. :) --Marty 17:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not worth translating. It's about a famous (?) photographer. Both Martti and Peltonen are very common names. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 07:14, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I am on my work computer and it goes straight to my warning page about malware/spyware and wont let me in. Hmmm anyone know what this could mean? Ace McWickedwhisky 17:17, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Also, as some people have already noticed, the HTTP 302 redirect doesn't affect URLs that include index.php directly, e.g. http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Recentchanges is the scam, but http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges is the real thing. HTH --Marty 17:18, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * @SpinyNorman: I think it's safe to assume that Genghis was just joking (by implying that this was a conscious move by Andy to infect all RationalWikians with malware the moment we come out of the boycott).
 * General comment: Huh. Was it a hack, or did Andy just forget to renew his domain name? If the latter, I'd LOL (in real life, even). If the former, than that'd suck. Hacking servers is an idiot move, and doing so to host malware scams is just plain nasty.
 * (After EC) Marty's comment makes me think that this was hackery. Meh. Down with the scams! They get in the way of my Lulz! --Sid 17:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Some idiot, maybe Ed, added http://conservapedia.com to the spam filter. This is what's causing the whole mess. =.= Candlewick 17:26, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Somebody's also seems to be vandalizing the shit out of Conservapedia. This would maybe funny if it was a Rickroll instead of malware. CorryTalk 17:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * How did the spam filter change cause such an epic mess? --Sid 17:35, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)Yea, sorry. There are two pages I can't fix due to the spam filter. Any mention of CP is autoblocked, and the edit doesn't work. =.= Candlewick 17:36, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If you mean the vandal reverts (which really is the least of CP's problems, though I applaud your determination to do what you can), you can just learn from all the RW-promotion wandals: Using conservapedia should do the trick, I think. --Sid 17:42, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, don't think I didn't try that method... I did. I even tried removing the reference entirely... that didn't work either, for some odd reason. =.= Candlewick 17:49, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Spam filters aren't designed to deal with things that are already in the article. It probably picks it up from the old version and doesn't understand why that "doesn't count". [[image:nods.gif]] 17:51, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

CP was totally hacked. Bummer. Kind of. I wonder who did it?- 17:40, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wait, so is this a hack, or a spam filter frak-up? Ed's incompetence or malice, or botH?- 17:46, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I would be mightily amused if Ed or somebody just made a fuckup. However, there does seem to be some vandalism around the same time that seems related....Ace McWickedwhisky 17:49, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Aw man, the day I decide to end my boycott (because I'm so weak), I can't even see CP. Brb, slitting wrists. Norseman Wassail!  17:51, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I knew it!!! I'z telepathological!! Earlier today while running errands I thought, "what if we end the boycott and CP is gone?" Well... yeah, it's still redirecting to the popups. Hi-fucking-larious.  ħ uman  17:52, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Clarity: Before we mix up problems: Any sort of spam filter mess-up 99.999999% isn't causing CP suddenly redirecting most "pretty" links (the ones without "index.php") to a scam site. --Sid 17:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Mm-hmm.. I'll let HIM know in a bit.
 * Nevermind... expect a fix early tomorrow morning. =.= Candlewick 17:56, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * SANITY PRESERVER: I just made a quick Greasemonkey script to avoid clicking on scam links. I think it catches everything or at least most. If you find a bug, lemme know. LINK --Sid 18:13, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And for those few who are allowed to edit on CP, you can use the Userscript version. Untested for obvious reasons. (I did briefly test it on RW, though) --Sid 18:28, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't think that this attack was specifically aimed at CP, I assume that the DNS server that direct s traffic to CP was hit by this. - Icewedge (*bleet*) 18:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I considered it, but it really seems to be site-specific. You can access CP (by using links with "index.php" like this for example), but the link rewrites were hijacked. --Sid 18:40, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Huh, I guess the homskoll sysadmin courses aren't working too well. The liberal belief that you should keep your software up to date doesn't seem to have any traction at conservapedia. With any luck, Conservapedia will get one of those cute "this site may damage your computer" labels in google. Edited to add: Boo, it seems to have been taken down pending repairs. Remember kids, once your box is compromised, do nay trust the software on it again without a complete teardown. --JeevesMkII 18:53, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Heh, heh. Anything we can do to help that along? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis   18:59, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * We must notify Google, obviously :) Do we know what happens if you do download that thing? (Incidentally, the scam site doesn't seem to be there any more...) 19:01, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorry Chaos!, but it's fixed... except for the spam filter. =.= Candlewick 19:02, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Damn, my pretty javascript workarounds got obsoleted so quickly? Should've known better than caring about a site that banhammered me ages ago. Meh. Should've spent the time on writing. --Sid 19:04, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No fair :( 19:04, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Calling card? Norseman Wassail!  19:09, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If this is an attack we'll know, as soon as Andy starts to make legal threats. JJ4e <font color="#FFA812">Got milk? 19:42, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh yes, I'm sure he'll be honest about it. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  19:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * My bet is that Andy will play this one down or completely ignore it, just like he did with the entire site downtime issue (before people brought it up again and again): "Andy, what happened? I got redirected while trying to access CP!" - "It's working now again." Behind the scenes, he'll likely ask CPWebmaster for IPs and then let his super specialist team of investigators (read: The Ten) exchange Very Important Mails about the identity. Most of them will vote "Icewedge" while the rest will play it safe by simply accusing "One of those RW Cyber-Terrorists". Yadda yadda, the usual. --Sid 19:49, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't think Andy is going to care if RWers complain about downtime on CP. Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 20:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy's calling the cops again tremble in fear you shamless terrorists <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  16:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Thank you for being so detailed. I used your report and CP's report to finish an assignment for one of my college courses. 17:56, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

An old Marxist belief
Isn't it an old Marxist belief that with indefinite increased investment you would gain indefinite increased yield, which is sometimes extrapolated to the point that with infinite investment you could gain an infinite crop production out of only one acre of land? Why is it then conservatives then are the ones opposing a book that says that population growth could outstrip food production? $\approx$$\pi$ 20:07, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Because being worried about overpopulation makes birth control seem like a good idea, and birth control violates God's plan for the proper role of females as Baby Production Units. Therefore, it MUST be wrong.  QED. --Gulik 00:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, good old [Malthus]...

PJR's return
The WIGO isn't all that funny, so feel free to rewrite for maximum lulz. I just couldn't get over the icy-cold shoulder PJR got from Andy. Andy's comment does do an excellent job of showcasing his ever-increasing narcissism. This bit: "Perhaps it's surprising that the site has been able to remain true to its goal" is pretty much code for "CP hasn't changed. You have." Even the last sentence, "Godspeed to you and thanks for your efforts" has a very "past tense" feel to it. I know it's not likely PJR will be banned, but I can see Andy making it very uncomfortable for him to stick around. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  23:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Is it just me, or has Andy been writing more and more like a parody of himself every day? It's not just things like this (WIGOed), it's also responses like this. I would post some of Andy's responses from two years ago for comparison, but the history on cp:Talk:Main Page only goes back to June '08 due to conservative deceit, and I suspect most "big targets" have similarly truncated histories, so I don't feel like searching for them. Anyway, I can't figure out if Andy's going nuts, or if he's just feeling more comfortable about saying what he really thinks, or if Bugler is having a psychological effect on him, or if he's been secretly replaced with a parodist, or maybe he's just given up on CP and is having a bit of fun at everyone else's expense. --Marty 00:44, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I thought the WIGO was pretty good. Sometimes all you need a a simple description and some links, don't have to "make the big joke".  Andy didn't even ask what PJR was unhappy about, just lectured him as he would... er... a child. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:50, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I went back through Andys contribs awhile back, his posts from early 2007, and back then he was waaaaaay different from now. He was reverting smears against Obama even! Saying they weren’t verifiable. Don’t know what happened but perhaps he is power mad or had a dream about god telling him to clear the world of liberal bias and he woke up all sticky? Ace McWickedwhisky 00:58, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think he's realized, subconciously at least, that nobody takes CP seriously as a "real" encyclopedia, so there's no reason for him to BOTHER with "credibility" anymore. --Gulik 01:02, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it's more noticeable to us when we take a few days off. He is seriously exponential, I agree.  He long ago surpassed the mere title of being a parody of himself.  He is now a parody of himself parodying who he once was when he was parodying himself being a parody of himself3. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:04, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I still firmly believe that andy thinks he has created a good resource. I reckon that CP has consumed and, much like if you tell a paraniod that you to can hear the voices, the sysops egg him on. Ace McWickedwhisky 01:07, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Mmmmmm, eggs! (and yes, Andy is still "sincere") <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:18, 15 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Andy doesn't even enquire after the health of the wife of one of his loyal sysops, as I would expect any "work colleague" to do - even if only out of politeness. Is the man really that self-centred, or is it plain, simple boorishness? Looking at PJR's reply, I don't think he's going to be around much longer --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:59, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I thought I saw him wish her "well", in a sort of trivial manner, before the "fuck off" and the "godspeed" (synonyms). Shit, I hope she's ok... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  05:05, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah so he did - my bad. Sorry Andy. --PsyGremlinWhut? 06:02, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The problem with PJR is that he ticks most of the boxes (Christian, social conservative, YEC) EXCEPT for Andy's political conservatism and judging by his obsession with liberals that is his prime motivator. If PJR finally leaves then there doesn't appear to be anyone with any interest in site organisation so I expect things to get even more messy. If Philip reads this then I send my sympathies for his wife's health. I took out the best part of a year when my own wife was diagnosed with cancer and it's tough for everyone concerned. Thankfully she has been in remission for nearly five years and is doing OK, so I hope PJR's wife also pulls through. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   06:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Just chiming in (for now) to also wish PJR's wife the best! Hope things are okay now again. --Sid 06:46, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it goes without saying - but I'll say it anyway - that, whatever our differences, all the Gentlemen and Ladies of another web site bear no personal animosity and wish PJR's wife a full and speedy recovery. Silver Sloth 07:48, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Fourthed (sic). Here's to a speedy recovery to the missus, PJR. Bondurant 08:34, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Fifthed. In my short time on CP I was treated with civility and politeness by PJR even when I went against the grain. The best of health to Mrs R, PJ. Totnesmartin 08:56, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Concur. Wishing Mrs R a speedy return to full health. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:40, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Absolutely.  Best wishes to your wife and family PJR.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  13:19, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe we should draw something up, like we did for Ed's idiot award? Kinda like a homemade card. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  13:25, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Eighthed. Get well soon, Mrs. R. Barikada 13:43, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Adding my name to condolences --Jdellaro 16:34, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Another hilarious reply! Which contains a perfect example of the clear concise writing Andy embraces: "as often confirmed by a majority of people who embrace that approach open-mindedly."--Antifly 09:52, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I've read that a couple of times and I know I'm no lawyer, but I seriously have no idea what the man is trying to say. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:59, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He is a lawyer, and he's trying to say that argumentum ad populum is just fine. Also, the outcome of logical inquiry is not testable assertions, but truth, inviolable undilutable truth.  --Toiretni 10:44, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That, and tying into it the very *real* idea that if enough minds work on editing something, the readablity, the facts, they over all presentation will benefit from the mass of minds. But somehow, one gets confused with the other in his brain and "Since i have people who agree (and delete people who disagree) and we all post "truth", it is truth."  It was hardly surprising to see that in the Obama "name makes him a Muslim" piece on the talk page, there were tons of red names.  If you don't have/hear controversy or differences of opinion, how can you say you have "majority".  oh well.--Waiting for Godot 11:57, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I hardly think that Andy's reversion ~(WIGO'd) of PJR's evidence-based editing is going to convince him to stick around. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   12:26, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, sweet, the entire "Catholic Views on Creationism" thing is going into another round? The talk page is a must-read. It especially highlights the WTF-ness of Andy's "My research says you're wrong!" comment.
 * Based on the history of that page, I think this was a sort of Sanity Check by PJR. You know, a test to see if Andy will push his weird agenda, even if it means directly clashing with one of the few quality sysops... again. I think Andy's had his chance, and he decided to throw it away. --Sid 14:29, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Boycott results
Not WIGO worthy but here we go,

We seem (without much data to go on) to have about halved CPs traffic. I notice page views have jumped to 7 per user yesterday, nice to see we have so much to look at. Thanks to everyone who participated in the boycott, we may have made an impact. $\approx$$\pi$ 08:52, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Will you update the statistics a week from now too? Olympics and summer holiday should both be about the same in both weeks I think. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 10:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks for raining on my parade Editor at CP with your confounding factor. While your at it go over to CP and point out that the confounding factor in the abortion-breast cancer correlation is life expectancy, see how long you are "Editor at CP" after that. $\approx$$\pi$ 10:33, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm, perhaps I forgot to thank you for your very interesting contribution. Forgive me for suggesting the next step. In CP I have other interests at the moment, I am debating with some RW type there, but I don't know who of us :-D (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 10:46, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It ain't me I'm not allowed back there. $\approx$$\pi$ 10:48, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No socks? Go find at least a pair before winter comes. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 10:56, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd be interested to see stats on this site without the CP WIGO. CorryTalk 11:11, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Rational Wiki

We tanked just as bad, but our page views improved must because the people that came either read more than usual or only those that read only WIGO CP didn't visit. $\approx$$\pi$ 11:20, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm sceptical. Personally, I suspect we had little effect on CP traffic, and the RW results reinforce this - the Olympics is probably consuming much more time away from computers the world over. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  13:22, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think the Olympics has affected either site much - I guess we'll see next week. And if you consider the percentages, if everyone was wathcing the games on TV, the net as a whole would lose visitors and the % might stay the same. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:06, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Am I Missing Something? The graph above only runs to August 10th... how on Earth does the shaded area match up to the boycott? The Lay Scientist 07:16, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


 * The dashes are a week apart so it has to go further than the 10th. $\approx$$\pi$ 07:33, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Erm, no it doesn't. The week spans the start of August. The first dash in August is only about 4 days into the month. I think you've serious screwed up here... The Lay Scientist 08:49, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Okay I'll try again. $\approx$$\pi$ 08:53, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Closer? $\approx$$\pi$ 09:09, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's a lot better :) The Lay Scientist 19:15, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy's more Crazy
Picking up the thread from the "PJR is back" section, I think Andy has gotten 'worse' because he has internalized the idea that when the site is at its worse (Lenski, Dawkins, Homosexual X) he gets the most attention. He is simply adapting his behavior to get people to look at him. He might not even know it, though I suspect this is simply a sort of Barnum and Baily move to get more eyes on him. Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 11:09, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Clearly his single-minded focus on view-count despite numerous people mentioning reasons why those views might not be so positive, means he's moving in the direction of shock-jock and away from "encyclopedia". I suspect he's willing to sacrifice a number of principles as long as it results in Conservapedia getting anywhere close to Wikipedia's placement on many different search results.  --Toiretni 11:14, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe it was the string of friendly receptions he probably got at the closed-door talks he gave to conservative college groups this past spring, but I'm thinking that early 2008 is when Andy started to see himself as less of an educator and more like another Ann Coulter, posting Op-Ed pieces in the guise of conservative encyclopedia entries. As the censor-in-chief, he really started to relish being able to control the debate the way Bill O'Reilly controls the editing of the O'Reilly Factor broadcast, and that's when the number of "xxx-values" and "mystery" entries started to spike.  His ability to censor, block and redact opposing views strokes his ego, and is most likely giving him the same false sense of superiority he gets from standing tall in a room full of pliant homeschoolers who accept his version of subjects like History without question.   He didn't make it competitively as an engineer, lawyer or politician, but since he has the means to live well thanks to his mother and Eagle Forum, he's found a comfort zone in being a homeschool teacher and conservapundit instead.  The latter role is what's apparently driving him lately, and like Coulter, he seems to relish in taking extreme positions because the attention and notoriety matter more than actually being right.  -SpinyNorman 21:54, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's all kind of very psycho-babble. There is the very strong possibility that he is simply a nutter. If he wasn't so contemptuous to other humanbeings I would simply consider him an eccentric. Auld Nick 03:56, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, I think there's little doubt that ASchlafly is a narcissistic whackaloon and a total bastard. That said, I think SpinyNorman has put forth an excellent hypothesis about the cause of his worsening nuttery.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  04:25, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Jizzmchue
Despite his accusations of our "obsession" with CP and his apology for vitriolic postings the jerk still feels the need to come round here and make his own vandalistic edits. However, this block surely takes the biscuit for hypocrisy: (Block log); 16:57. . Jinxmchue (Talk | contribs) (blocked User:Rushistheman with an expiry time of infinite (autoblock disabled): Use your real first name and last initial) <font color=Blue>Genghis   17:53, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So... now all editors will have to log in with BarryW, and Jean-LucP. These guys shut down any and all descent so fast, it's amazing anyone can make *any* edits there.  --Waiting for Godot 17:55, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Na. The Username thing is like the 90/10 rule.  It's not actually enforced across the board; just a convenient excuse for blocking people without having to reveal the real reasons for blocking them.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 18:50, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Let it be known that anyone who doesn't have a sacred goat next to their computer will be blocked from RationalWiki.
 * *bam* "Blocked for not having a sacred goat." (or maybe it was your hints that you don't like methodological naturalism...  not sure)
 * "But I did have a sacred goat, I swear!" "Send us pictures".  --Toiretni 19:06, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And have you seen this?
 * This is why the boycott was so good, we payed him no attention and he didn't bother coming around. I think we should boycott Jinx, no WIGOs about him or his blog, no links to his pathetic attention, if he vandalise here revert with no comment, block with no comment, don't give him attention he craves. $\approx$$\pi$ 05:28, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * <font color="#DCDCDC">However, this block surely takes the biscuit for hypocrisy Considering the information in question is both on my user page and in my user profile (it's asked for when you create an account), how do you figure, numbnuts? <font color="#DCDCDC">67.135.49.198  23:41, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * <font color="#DCDCDC">the jerk still feels the need to come round here and make his own vandalistic edits Yeah, because I do it SOOOO often. <font color="#DCDCDC">67.135.49.198  23:42, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So, shall we start? NightFlarei haz a talk page. 01:47, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, lets.
 * Did you hear something just then? Like someone... whining? Complaining in a shrill voice? Hmmm. I guess we'll never know. 22:47, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Legally speaking....
....Andy, the law's stopped clock, is right this time when he states that whoever redirected the site to an antivirus-virus is in legal trouble.- 18:03, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but they fact that they've been doing it to many different people,, and have been doing it for a while probably means that they're either covering their tracks very well, or live someplace where it's hard to reach them.


 * What I'm curious about is how these people can set up a payment-processing deal without having either 1) their payment processor cut them off, or 2) making it really obvious who the money is going to. I've heard of internet money-laundering specialists I guess...  which means that this a bit more professional still.


 * Anyway, Andy should lay off the they're targeting us because we tell the truth spiel. --Interiot 18:16, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Agreed with both of you. And God yes, Andy's "Anybody who does something that harms us in any form is only doing it to censor The Truth!" moaning is getting slightly annoying. --Sid 18:40, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I've got to find a way to use that spiel in daily life. From now on, everytime Girlfriend disagrees with me, I'll tell her to stop censoring me. "Can you feed the cat? I'll be home late." "No! Stop censoring me!"- 18:43, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * While Andy does a point about the legal issues. The problem he's going to have is finding the person and then bringing them to justice.  Aside from the issues of trying to track down the miscreant (sp?) He's gonna have to go through full court proceedings (or at least enter evidence) to do anything about it.  Chances are the DA would just plea them out anyway. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  19:57, 15 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Andy doesn't seem to differentiate w/vandalism from actual hacking. Inserting "racist douchebag" into the Jesse Helms article (example invented) is totally different from hacking the server and redirecting to a malware site. Of course, to him, they are all equally odious assaults on The Truth. CorryTalk 20:10, 15 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Looks like the FBI might care this time. (Could somone post that over at CP I have earned my ISP a permanent block). $\approx$$\pi$ 20:48, 15 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Well, Andy better watch out: Hackers can be fricken hardcore. O_o (No, I really don't think/hope that will happen, but I just stumbled over it and had to think of CP...) --Sid 20:56, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Essay: Greatest Conservative Movies
Come on, own up....whose been a naughty boy or girl and included a film containing a six year old pole dancer, a suicidal -but philosophical- gay man and a sex obsessed grandfather? Excellent film!Mick McT 06:38, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually that's a pretty amusing list. It seems Andy is a big Exorcist fan.  (see Talk page).  Who'da thought he'd enjoy a movie which contains the line "Your mother sucks cocks in hell".  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 06:51, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

October Sky - education and science as the ticket out of dead-end small town poverty, what was conservative about that one? Forrest Gump? Well, that one was more the movie equivalent of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire", i.e. Baby Boomer narcissicm, and not particularly conservative. The Day After Midnight is, apparently, now a global warming skeptic movie since it depicts a new ice age. Quick - somebody add some Clash songs to their "greatest conservative songs" list too! "Rock the Casbah", "Red Angel Dragnet", "Hate & War" anyone? Secret Squirrel 08:30, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Hehehe - Star Wars? That's as anti-conservative as they get; what else would you call Darth Vader, the Death Star, and the Empire, but symbols of extreme conservatism? Ladder 49? Not conservative at all, it's about Baltimore firefighters (if it were a conservative film it would depict a world where only those who can afford to pay for private contract fire protection can has fire protection - or would show a professional, big city, taxpayer funded, unionized fire department like Baltimore's as hopelessly corrupt and dysfunctional.) Red Dawn *is* conservative according to the conventional wisdom, but it isn't: what that movie is, is a classic resistance yarn with feminist messages in some places, and to drive the point home that it is a resistance film first and anti-Communist only second if at all, the Wolverines are called 'partisans' in an affectionate nod to the leftist, Communist-led Yugoslav anti-Nazi resistance. It could just as easily be about the Iraqi resistance to U.S. occupation. Moving right along: On the Waterfront is pro-union and anti-Mafia, not anti-union. It's a Wonderful Life - oh good grief. Iron Eagle, because a kid stealing a billion dollar fighter jet from teh Navy and listening to Satanic rock & roll on his Walkman while he flies it is "conservative". Harry's War, because smashing a tank into the IRS building and waging a shooting war when the National Guard try to sieze your aunt's house over back taxes is "conservative". Rocky, because...The Exorcist, because... fuggidit. Secret Squirrel 08:50, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Joseph Campbell's influence on Star Wars makes it pretty much equivalent to Harry Potter. "Simple truths about good vs evil" because it's taken from comparative mythology studies, duh. Don't know what he was thinking on that one. --

Toiretni 09:12, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm surprised there don't seem to be any Disney films in that list. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 09:36, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, Bambi is anti-hunting, Peter Pan promotes demons and the occult, all the Disney princesses promote multiculturalism, and wasn't Disney being boycotted by the Southern Baptist Convention for some reason? Secret Squirrel 09:43, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I would disagree with most of that (except you're right about the SBC, which I wasn't aware of). I don't find the multiculturalism in Disney films particularly sincere - it seems more like jumping on the multicultural bandwagon.  (In fact Disney has quite a history of pushing racist stereotypes, usually disguising them as animals ).  Mostly though, Disney films just reinforce old fashioned values, good clean family fun and reassuringly trite life lessons about being true to yourself & suchlike.  So I would expect to see a few in a list of 'conservative movies', certainly ahead of Star Wars or Lord of The Rings.  That's why I'm surprised they're not there.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 10:32, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Is jsut teh silly, making fun of why Conservapedia might choose to summarily exlude all Disney films.  Secret Squirrel 10:48, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, Disney did take a pail of caucasian-brand whitewash to the story of Al-Adin, and the idea of using multicultural trappings to cover up the same old shi- is definitely a Conservative value. --Kels 11:00, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe, those characters all look "multicultural" to me, fer shure. The Red Man from Peter Pan reminds me of a Popeye cartoon. check YouTube for the "Me Big Chief Ugh-a-Mugh Ugh" episode, I think it was.  Maybe that should go on the Conservapedia greatest conservative films list Secret Squirrel 10:55, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Hi NormanS :) --BoredCPer 09:52, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Hello :D 58.168.34.23 10:12, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * While you're at it Norman, Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs needs urgent reviewed too. "Love Me, I'm a Liberal"??? Secret Squirrel 10:19, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * King without a crown? How is that conservative? Unless you want to add every religious/gospel song... 10:30, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Quick response to the link provided by Weaseloid, I read that page and to paraphrase one of my favorite Adam Sandler movies: "What I've just read is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever read. At no point in that rambling incoherent page was there anything that could even be considered a rational point. Everyone on the intertubes is now dumber from having read this.  I award you no points, and may Goat have mercy on your soul." and I'll be sending you a bill for that part of my life back <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  17:36, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I'll own up. That was one of my socks that placed Little Miss Sunshine on the list. Until I read it here, I did not realize that they had finally caught it. Its been up for over a year now.--Franklin 18:37, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

PJR & Andy
I've been reading the ongoing debate between Andy and PJR with a growing sense of what I can only describe as horror. I can't believe Andy has turned so viciously on one of his beloved sysops. "In fact, I can't recall a single conservative edit by you here." What?! Well, Andy-pandy, if that is the case, why the hell did you make him a sysop, you hypocritical swine? PJR, I'm begging you - seeing as Andy is basically telling you to sod off - please go out in a blaze of glory and use your sysop powers to block the ignoramus for "talk-talk-talk" or even better "talk pollution". I'm cracking a can of XXXX in your honour as I type. Cheers! --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:38, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I was just thinking that myself. If there's anything that really stands out that Andy's changed over the past few months, getting more and more insulated in his echo chamber, it's his attitude toward PJR disagreeing with him.  Mind you, that translation's been a bug in Andy's ear ever since the talk.origins days, but it's amazing to see him bare his teeth at PJR, who he's always treated with relative respect. --Kels 10:57, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's why you should never corner a rat unless you have something ready to administer the coup de grace (weapon of gun?) - they will bite & scratch indiscriminately. 11:29, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * OMG. This it the news of the year. Andy attacking PJR so vehemently and baselessly - I just can't believe it. Even during their worst crisis (the gun control discussion followed by Mormons) PJR was a trusted SYSOP. This is going to end badly. I almost feel like... becoming a YEC, just for empathy with PJR. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 11:43, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Quite, quite extraordinary.  It makes the mind reel.   The inevitably imminent loss of the only intelligent sysop (seriously, why would PJR stick around after this farcical haranguing?) dooms CP to blogland.   And it makes me wonder who's next?   Is Ed Poor likely to come under scrutiny?   I'd love to see a bare-knuckle face-off between Ed and Andy.   How can we encourage that?   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  13:07, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Just got back home and read through the Andy's comments. The guy is just so stupid. A triumph of ideology over common sense. There is only one reality and it's Andy's. PJR, despite what we think of his YEC views, is a good administrator (as opposed to a gruppenführer sysop) and actually takes care of the wiki rather than the ideological content. TK used to do some of that work (even though often he cocked it up) but of course he's long gone. There were a few other editors like Azi, Iduan and Helpjazz who contributed but they've all been pissed on by Andy, BrianCo used to to a lot of housekeeping but even he has quietened down. The girls have all but disappeared, just the occasional drive-by clean up from Jallen. Ed just makes matters worse, Ken only cares about his pet pages, Crocko'shite only does his liberal-bashing blog headlines and Learntogether seems to be an Andy arse-licker. Karajou does his antivandal bit but doesn't do anything to contribute to "the project" (as Ed might say) except copy and paste country articles from the CIA factbook or "educamshional" articles on obscure naval vessels. DanH has gone and the other minor players like Ymmotrojam, TerryH and Geo.plrd only pop in to say hello once a month. No the whole thing is collapsing around Andy's ears. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   13:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks for that. I was going to ask about the old SDG group and you answered about each of them. And for me you are right on every account. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 13:55, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow. That's the first time I've read the thing.  First, how annoying is it that teh assfly adds internal links so often on the talk pages?  And wow, but if he doesn't attack PJR in the same way he does everyone else, but for no particular reason.  He is so fucking insane.  I mean, I think PJR is wrong about almost everything, but...-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 14:22, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

This shows the true hatred of any extremist movement: first, they kill the opposition. Then, when no-one is left...- 17:06, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

What exactly does "in the meantime" mean here? Am I correct in understanding that Andy expects PJR to be able find a valid link eventually, but in the meantime, Andy is going to put a stick in PJR's eye as long as he can? If that's the correct reading, then Andy is being intentionally deceitful. --Toiretni 18:13, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * @ Doc, yeah, and linking "Australia" in a comment while talking to an Australian is really offensive. And as far as PJR, however wackaloon some of his views may be, he doesn't try to cram them down other people's throats, he just sits there and patiently debates them.  With no largely defensive weapon of banhammer visible close by his side. Andy is just showing his twatness one more time, upon thousands previous. PJR for rightful leader of CP! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:38, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * PJR for rightful leader of CP! I endorse him as well. Where can I vote for him? (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 18:43, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

I am, in all seriousness, wondering if Andy is becoming mentally ill. Unless they've changed drastically over the years, a man with the complete and utter lack of any logic skills such as Andy could never have passed the LSATs. Add his conversion to YEC, allegedly through scientific scrutiny, and you have a guy who has undergone some odd transformations over the years. More recently we have the PJR incident, his removal of "liberal edits" he added himself, and his sheer batshit craziness that has been spiraling out of control, and we have symptoms of someone who just isn't quite right in the head. This is not to say he was ever the most grounded guy, but he's getting out of control. An alleged family man spending this much time online in his paranoid delusions males me think he's really becoming unhitched. Obviously I'm not qualified to diagnose him with anything, nor could anyone over the internet, but I'm starting to have my real suspicions here. -DickTurpis 19:51, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I think part of the problem is that he's completely divorced from reality, not just at Conservapedia, but in real lifee too. He's working for his mother, at a fundie college, he spends the rest of his days sat in front of a computer defending what is effectively the world's most Labour-intensive blog, and everything that he learns about the rest of the world comes from extremist, fundamentalist websites. In terms of world experience, he's essentially the same 14-year old kid who never left home, still spends every day with his mummy, and doesn't have a real job. It must be like living your entire life without any sanity checks, never progressing beyond a sort of adolescent state. The Lay Scientist 03:53, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah! At least we sometimes create nice little programs to enhance our wiki experience. And, oh, yeah, I guess we trust strangers, too.  Whodathunkit? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:16, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Update As much as I'm enjoying PJR standing up to Andy, but it's also galling to know that if he wasn't a sysop (for how much longer I wonder), meaning Andy's ability to shut him up (i.e. block) is negated, he would have been banned ages ago. As it stands, unless PJR is incredibly thick-skinned, I think Andy has successfully chased away another editor. I'm guess Foxtot (thanks to Smeg Ed) will be next. --PsyGremlinWhut? 05:16, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I hate you 92.16.2.122
Someone with that IP is requesting passwords for ALL MY CP SOCKS. I HATE YOU.- 17:06, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh I didn't check his IP address. Luckily I provided an e-mail address to only the first of my socks, as "required" as it is. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 17:08, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone at 79-something supposedly axed to have mine changed, too. Oddly, the "new one" emailed to me doesn't work, and my original one still does.  I suspect a bot of some sort rather than a bored person is doing this.  A "fun" way to mess with wiki-editors' heads?  What will the kids think of next? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:35, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * WTH, even I got one of these, and I'm pretty sure I'm still banned for Infinity+1 years. --Sid 19:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Me too from 92.16.2.122 20:00, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I got one from both the 79 and the 92 ip address. It is harmless enough silliness really, and since they are both banned accounts I don't particularly care. 24.36.227.74 20:03, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I got it too 20:16, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Same here <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  20:17, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

They went through mine alphabetically… Therefore, it's probably a bot. --<font color="#00FFFF">λινυσ (☮) 20:18, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Lucky... I didn't get one. I guess I'm not that important here. =.= Candlewick 21:25, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * See the forum link that 92.16.2.122 put on Kels' talk page. It kinda explains what's going on.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 07:48, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Moar Double Standards!
(Probably not WIGO worthy) "removing content without talk page discussion, again" - Sure, seen this, this, or this for starters, Jpatt? Oh, you didn't like him anyway. :P <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  15:19, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Adams
Don't the WIGO instructions say not to "out" unnoticed apparent wandalism & such? Oh well, It's probably been fixed now... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:37, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Complete F-up on my part! *hangs head in shame* I checked out her other edits, and they didn't seem vandal at all, and I thought it was just a screwup by Annie, not wandalism.  I mean lieberal, limousine liberal, and liberal name-calling all seemed to be straight up CP articles.  And she created them, so I thought she was straight up.  Again, total f-up on my part, but not intentionally ignoring WIGO instructions. --Jdellaro 08:47, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Hmm...
BrianCo seems to be having trouble with some resilient vandals over there -http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Recentchanges

Coup d'etat?
Haud on! socks canna dae coups, gin youse want tae ken ocht aboot cou thingmies see here. Aiblins no sic a muckle divert as gaits, but whit the Freuchie? Whit for shoud A can jalouse whit youse is aw haiverin? Auld Nick 20:13, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Understand me not 20:14, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Doctor Mommy
I'm too brain-dead tonight to think up something snarky for WIGO, but I'd like to point out that the Breaking News item photo of Andy's mommy labels her as Dr. Schlafly. Lenkski and Dawkins and a thousand others with real degrees and expertise are Big Fakes in Andy's eyes, but the old battle-axe snares an honorary degree and suddenly she's Doctor Schlafly, global warming expert. (Yes, I realize that Andy isn't the one who posted it, but still...)--WJThomas 20:23, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't know if we should be too quick to jump at this one.... Andy may still correct the mistake, it was JM who posted it and it's pretty obvious that the whole point was kiss Andy's ass (promote everything his mom does and he'll like us). I figure if it's still up there tomorrow or monday... let him have it. Until then, give him some slack <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  20:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sure, but I don't imagine anyone there having the brass to demote Her, at least not without some prompting. Perhaps someone should note the discrepancy on the Talk page...--WJThomas 21:37, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * As someone studying for a PhD, I am not overly concerned about honorary doctorates - especially the Doctor of Humane Letters style things which are always honorary - as it is a good way to celebrate someone who has done good work without a formal education. But to start using the title doctor when you haven't earned it just pisses me off, coupled with Andy's dislike of actual qualified professors and his little article on credential bullying it smacks of hypocrisy. $\approx$$\pi$ 21:03, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Emphatically agree. Nevermind that most of the real PhD's I know insist on being called by their first names. Honorary degrees are good, but the recipients should not be referred to as Dr.'s.--Antifly 21:55, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Except in the case of DR Stephen Colbert of course <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  21:59, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy is questioned by Dinsdale about this. Andy replies: It bothers you cuz yur librul, tehn Bugler comes and kisses Assfly's ass.... 11:51, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Another good one
Schlafly's up for taking a pasting over gun control http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page, see 'Jewelry Store' (sorry, I know I should put up a diff link, but I'm rubbish at this.) Feel free to join in! WDeans 21:10, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Andy always cops a pasting when gun control is under discussion on the main page talk. Just a soon as someone starts to with, it will be "Liberal style this", "liberal logic that", and "you are clueless about the crime levels in the country you live". I remember I once got in an argument with him on this he never replied to my last question after I showed him up a hypocrite. $\approx$$\pi$ 21:21, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Teh diff link 21:28, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This is beautiful. When Andy sees inconvenient statistics, he demands they be age adjusted, because the U.K. is presumably older than the U.S. Personally, I would rather read about knife attacks than school shootings, but I guess that makes me a shitty heathen. CorryTalk 01:44, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This is why I think the man is in a downward mental spiral. By his logic, any correlation between gun control in Europe and their lower rates of murder are too ridiculous to even consider; there are simply too many other factors. But a correlation between teaching evolution and developing schizophrenia? Well that makes perfect sense! DickTurpis 02:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am left wondering, as I was driving to pick up a pizza tonight... Does Andy own a gun? Seriously.  Does he own one, practice with it, keep it safely, etc.? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I've been wondering about that for months, as far as I'm aware he hasn't told an annecdote about him in any situation involving guns or otherwise mentioned anything about them except how great they are at deterring crime. NightFlarei haz a talk page. 03:18, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So shall we ask him? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:19, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I would've done so long ago but I don't like pointless sock burning, which I think is what'll happen since he'll most likely ignore the question if the answer is amusing. NightFlarei haz a talk page. 03:21, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe I will... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:38, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

(undent)In response to Human, Fox' survey on gun ownership didn't seem to get very far, and not as far as Aschlafly unfortunately. Odd that Fox would do a survey on the Second Amendment, as the last I checked, the UK still wasn't a state in the union, though. Bondurant 06:55, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Unless I missed something posting an atheist userbox on your "castle" at CP now counts as vandalism.  Lily Ta, wack! 10:06, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The Assfly seems to think that adults in Switzerland are required to have guns. Military personell and reservist are but there are strict rules. Only people with a weapons permit (usually only issued to military and security personnel, hunters and game wardens are exempt) may carry a gun in public, and the ammunition has to be carried separate to the gun. One must have good reason for transporting the gun. Which is all of course usually known as gun control. Has that pillock Assfly ever written anything that isn't total bollocks? Auld Nick 13:57, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Its Sunday I have time to check my facts. My liberally biased friend Google found this (obviously forged) information telling us what theSwiss Embassy in Canberra has to say about the issue...a nationwide two-tier control and licencing system which will impose restrictive rules on the carrying and use of weapons = gun control. Auld Nick 14:20, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

New Conservapedia Password
I just got three e-mails for my socks giving me new, temporary passwords. What was up with that? Good thing, I'd totally forgotten them. Czolgolz 22:45, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * See above 22:53, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't worry, they think it's the ultimate vandalism. Hilariously, of course, it's happening to our logins as well as theirs. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:23, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I just got a password request for a sock that was blocked over a year ago. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   05:30, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Poe's Law
I guess Annie got found out. It's really hard to tell sometimes, at least for me, the parodist from the fundamentalist. Really, all logic requires that Jinx use his new template on many of Andy's posts. CorryTalk 01:51, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * All. All articles on CP require Jinxspews' (Hi Jinx!) new template.  How wise of him to create it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:08, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Heh. Did you notice how Jinx (Hi Jinx!) didn't put the Poe template on cp:Lieberal or cp:Liberal name-calling? As long as we're outing all of Annie's secrets (Don't worry, folks, she told me it's okay ;) &mdash; I'd like to give a big "Thank you!" to Ed Poor for pioneering the art of the single-contextless-quote Conservapedia article. It looks like a great way to build credibility: just pick a provocative phrase for the title, Google for a quote using the phrase, and paste that sucker! Conservative cred established! --Marty 02:36, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I love the articles managed to put in the parody section, static typing, Abigail Adams, and Anglerfish are all real. So much for us irrational ones not being able to spot parody  can't us a Google search. $\approx$$\pi$ 04:40, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey Jinx, let me give you a hand. I created Liberal Obsession over there as JJacob. That is a parody, in fact all JJacob edits are easily spotted parodys. Just a heads up as you seem, well, clueless. Ace McWickedwhisky 06:38, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * More Poe! From Ed Po no less.--Antifly 22:20, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I just Wigo'd that $:) <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  22:26, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Weird Block
Although Andy is involved, so maybe not that weird (to him). User Krazorian signs up, uses the EXISTING atheist template on his user page... and gets blocked by Andy for "vandalism". Oi! Shit-for-brains, care to explain the who, how and what was vandalised exactly? --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:59, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I just WIGO'd that, too. Very weird, especially since he has no other contribs (and the deletion log is also empty). I guess Andy simply decided that people who don't 100% agree with him are up to no good. --Sid 10:10, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Can't be true,Sid. If so it'd only leave him, his mommy & Jinxmchue ... Oh! you might be right after all. 10:19, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)Sorry, I posted the same thing above. But holy crap, Andy's just losing it.  Lily Ta, wack! 10:21, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Does he realize that other users have the same userbox on their "castles", will he banhammer all evil atheists. But he still won't block rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers, Methodists and Bugler. But hey, he got the non-believers. 10:39, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree he's losing it. Lazy replies like this & this show he can't even be bothered to debate a point - what he says is law & if somebody disagrees they're just wrong.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 10:41, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

And the block is over. Somehow I doubt that user will ever contribute to CP ever again. Why does Andy apologize to ChristopherH? 11:26, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh bugger!
The starfish lulz just got zapped.  Lily Ta, wack! 10:45, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, that's been there from the first edit, it took them more then a year for someone to actually read the article... 11:10, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Still got: "Fossil starfish resembling today’s have been found dating back 450 million years." there though! Heh! 11:17, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Man, we gotta find a better way to share the lulz than posting it here for all the world Hi Jinx! to see. Lily, you just got cp:User:Britinme banhammered. Won't anybody think of the socks?! (Actually, I suspect Britinme was not a parodist, just a guy who assumed CP would naturally be interested in all things buttsecks-related. ...Or do I?&lt;/mindfuck&gt;) --Marty 00:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, you know, there's always IRC. 00:46, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I don't think that someone who hasn't edited on almost a year is too worried about being banhammered. Although Yankmeoff's block is exceedingly like ... stabledoor... horse.... etc.  Lily Ta, wack! 04:06, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Tech problems again?
Somethings done gone wrong with the WIGO: CP page coding. It's all over the place. There was just an edit by an IP user, so I dunno if that's what caused it, but it looks the same in trying to view previous versions too. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 11:13, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Are these tech problems still occurring? I am not noticing it for me, anyone else? If they are what browser are you using? Can you screen shot it? 24.36.227.74 11:28, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It was just a temporary thing with the WIGO CP page. Looks fine now.  Maybe the last edit (by Jdellaro) sorted it out.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 11:31, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No there is another more logical and parsimonious explanation for why it was screwed up, I was altering some source code. I am not sure what I was doing that would have caused a screw up, but things would have been influx for a few seconds while I was moving over to a new system. Maybe you clicked the page at just the right moment between the move. Editing and updating "live" software is an adventure for both the programmer and the user :). 24.36.227.74 11:35, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well it seemed to be like it for a few minutes, which is why I raised it here. Nevermind anyway, it's back to normal now.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 11:46, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

"Dr" Schlafly
Andy's reply - given his hissy-fits over Lenski and Dawkins' qualifications, should send irony meters into the red again. Ah, and here's the little lap dog with his useless contribution. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm sure has data on it but it seems that the more deranged that a leader becomes, then the more that the lickspittle lackeys suck up to him. As I saw mentioned somwhere here before, Conservapedia is the Zimbabwe of wikis and Andy is its Robert Mugabe.  Lily Ta, wack! 12:18, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ...and Bugler is Grima Wormtongue. Actually, I'm  starting to think of him simply as a sock Andy uses to create the impression that he has true believers (waiting for him to join in on the PJR-bashing), because it's so more fun than the obvious thought of him being a parodist. -SpinyNorman 13:53, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This section also features Andy's weird tendency to change the subject: "I won't bother to discuss this until you actively protest against [unrelated issue x] and admit that liberals are guilty of [unrelated issue x or y]. And as long as you argue against me on [this issue], I can tell that you did not fulfill my above requirements, so I won't bother to discuss this." --Sid 12:41, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's his standard reaction to being in checkmate - either he agrees that calling mom "Dr. Schlafly" is inappropriate, or much of the air goes out of his attacks on "Professor Dawkins" and "Professor Obama". It's much easier to pause and say "King me, be-atch!" instead. -SpinyNorman 13:55, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone should protest the ad homs both Bugler and Andy are dishing out - since Bugler always tends to put down users for any kind of disagreement with Andy as some form of insult. <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  14:10, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I'm 'clueless' and 'insulting' for saying that crime rates are falling in the UK... WDeans 14:13, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

The hell? Is Andy cribbing from tWIGO now? --Kels 14:42, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (silent edit conflict, moving my general reply here since it's related)
 * Arghjkfsdhfalshfjks *headdesk* Andy really goes into overdrive. Now, in order to just get an answer about an honorary doctor title, you are required to protest the professor title of Dawkins - you know, the one his own university confirmed multiple times. Once upon a time, I had respect for lawyers... and then, I met Andy. --Sid 14:43, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Seriously. I used to *work* for lawyers, and came to believe that mostly they'd been given an unfair shake, even if a couple were jerks.  Now I'm not so sure. --Kels 14:56, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * btw, is it just me or is SilvioB trying to out-Bugle Bugler in the parodist department? Let's start the clock now to see how long it takes him to get block rights. -SpinyNorman 17:05, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, the "how can you say anything bad about (something on my side) while ignoring the SOUL CRUSHING EVIL of (something on your side)?!?!?!?!" tactic gets a LOT of use on the Conservative side these days. I call it the Universal Clinton Absolution, after the man whose sexual antics allowed Republicans to get away with just about ANYTHING for a while. --Gulik 03:50, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

More Parables
Remember kids, an education leads to a closed mind, reading books doesn't stimulate the mind, and rejecting mathematical and logical reasoning is the best way to understand the world.--Antifly 14:15, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I could almost live with the "parable" if Andy had resisted adding the last sentence. Until then, it's a fairly touching story... if you ignore the extremely weird implications you pointed out. But seriously, why the "DIE, LIBERAL SCUM! DIE DIE DIE!" mentality in the last sentence? --Sid 14:23, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Bonus lulz - the source cited for the parable is a paper titled "The Coase Theorem: The Greatest Economic Insight of the 20th Century", written by none other than Andrew L. Schlafly, Esq., and published in Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. Interesting that a medical journal published papers about unsung economists. -SpinyNorman 14:30, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't know anything about Ronald Coase, so I can't comment on the factual accuracy of Andy's parable. I agree that the underlying story is touching. However, the presentation (even without the last sentence) is telling. Andy manages to squeeze his distain for all schools, his attempt to back out of writing a conservative history textbook, and his pride at being ignorant of all mathematics into a biography of a couple hundred words.--Antifly 14:32, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Good observation. The entire "Who needs books, anyway?" angle really connects to his "Maybe students learn US History better without a textbook..." edit. --Sid 14:36, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Urgh. The hilarious thing is that this seriously undermines the entire point. Fact is that the Coase Theorem is important, and tons of people (who Andy would classify as "liberal") will readily acknowledge that. And I am completely certain that there are enough independent and trustworthy sources praising it. So why make it look like yet another "Andy Schlafly cites Andy Schlafly" case? --Sid 14:36, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What makes the "Andy cites Andy" thing so funny is that he's acting like Coase's work is a secret liberals are trying to suppress or deny out of existence, when it's broadly accepted as you mention. That's why he has to cite a piece of his own, because he's not going to find a credible source that agrees with his persecution complex, and probably why he published in JAPS instead of a journal of economics. -SpinyNorman 15:22, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This critique makes interesting reading. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   15:38, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The article sited by Genghis highlights why this theory is not the be all and end all Andy pretends it is. I think there is Game Theory proof of the Coase theorem so his is correct, but (this a huge but) the assumption; perfect competition, perfect information and no transaction cost are all false in the real world. Perfect Competition, if someone is playing with some epsilon deficient strategy all you have to do is play with a greater than epsilon strategy the other way and you will bias the competition in your favour. Perfect Information, no one is going to give out all information as any information you withhold with cause your opponent to play with a deficient strategy. No transaction cost, the NYSE charges for every transaction made across its desk. No of these things will occur so the the theory will fall straight over. $\approx$$\pi$ 18:46, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That article was quite good, yes. As was the section it was part of... and the web site that section is but one tiny fragment of.  Quite the endeavor. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:26, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Heh, I hadn't investigated the other stuff. It's a good enough to be bookmarked for future refernce. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   07:24, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Interesting that a medical journal published papers about unsung economists. - Please be reminded that the American Phy & Sur are a group of conservative doctors. The journal is hardly a medical journal in the sense that "JOurnal of American Medical Association" or the "Journal of obstetrics and gyn" are medical journals for the profession. JAPS is loaded with political claptrap, articles about the importance of "life", etc. | index of the Summer 2008 as an example of the quality of "medicine" they are worried about.--Waiting for Godot 11:16, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Population control article
What is population control? Apparently, it's "the liberal socialist myth that states the world is endangered by humans". The article in question popped up today and it's pretty par for the course, but this bit amused me most:
 * The claim that an area twice the size of Belgium is now being logged worldwide each year. What people don't realize is Belgium could fit into the world's tropical forests 500 times over, or 250 years from now it will be a problem.

Yes, deforestation will only become a problem when there are no trees. Anywhere. 92.18.75.207 16:04, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Those damn Belgians.   If they'd only get their country out of the rainforest, we'd have no problems.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  22:31, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Why are they using Belgium as a measure of area? Everybody knows that the proper standard measurement for area is a "Wales."82.44.18.31 04:27, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Belgium is the metric unit, Wales is the imperial unit.  Lily Ta, wack! 04:37, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I always thought it was "football fields" with out defining the code. $\approx$$\pi$ 04:29, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Metric football (soccer) or Imperial (American) football? (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 05:03, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't know I think they mean Australian when I hear it, but no two AFL football fields are the same size so that just makes it more confusing. $\approx$$\pi$ 05:06, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think two football (soccer for the murcans) pitches in the UK are the same size either. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   07:26, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Schlafly apologizing


Now we'll have to edit "no jokes" to say twice (that he admitted he was wrong)! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:23, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What was the other occasion? <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 17:24, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * here 92.18.75.207 17:42, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy will on occasion admit he was wrong about a minor thing if he has not defended it yet. In this case it was easy for him to admit a simple error without losing any face. Much more entertaining is making him defend an action, after which, no matter how obviously wrong he was, he will not admit defeat. Trying to get him on the defensive right away, making him (perhaps without even reviewing the block) assert the editor was certainly a vandal before realizing he actually did make a mistake, generates much more lulz. He would afterwards make up all sorts of insane shit to defend his actions to the death. It's fun to watch. DickTurpis 17:53, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, it doesn't look like he's actually admitted he was wrong about a fact or an opinion or an issue of CP content on either of those occasions. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 17:56, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The Rearguard was summoned, anyway. Ed suggested that the block was dished out because of the guy's name. --Sid 19:22, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Does RationalWiki have a way to covertly summon backup? It might be a good idea...  Andy's logic and evidence are so often overpowering.  --Toiretni 20:37, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think most of the troopers resort to alcohol. But that might just be projection ;) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:28, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

A bit of a not quite acknowledgement for a mistake at http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/archive13#Immigration_Bill (though I don't recall them fixing the news article on the front page to reflect that correction). --Shagie 21:39, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Obama and Dawkins again
I saw that, and was thinking of something like "Still true information in the Dawkins and Obama articles? I'll fix that!". If you wanna use that, feel free. The question is, who added the information in the first place, since Andy and his merry band of brownshirts (and parodists) have been watching it like a bunch of, uh, hawks. --Kels 18:48, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * In the case of Dawkins, it looks like it had been there a while. I thought that the argument over the title had reached a kind of truce where the CP article just said that he held the post of professor (without acknowledging the title of professor).  But it sounds like even that would be too much for Aschfly.    <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 18:56, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yep, Ed Poor's just summed it up, & with the dumbest analogy ever. LOL.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 19:04, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That one should probably be added in WIGO somewhere. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 19:07, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Do you think Andy is aware that a Chair is a Professor with extra trimmings? $\approx$$\pi$ 19:10, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Extra trimmings? Like a side dish of smoked oysters?  Or like ermine on the edges of one's robes? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:40, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually is some institutions they do get special robes, but usually they get what every Professor dreams of, someone to do their filing for them. $\approx$$\pi$ 23:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Kinda Funny
Not really WIGO but it is amusing and heartening to see JPatt refuses to take the lord intravenously. Ace McWickedwhisky 20:59, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Amusing, yes. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:41, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe it's me but I've never understood why replacing the 'o' with a '-' makes it OK. It's like people who say 'ess aich one tee', come on, we can all spell, you're still saying shit so why not come out and say it. I'm sure that the old gentleman with the beard and long nightgown isn't going to be saved offense by blanking out the 'o'. Silver Sloth 05:23, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You'd be surprised at some of the petty things that are said to piss god off mightily. If I was a Christian, I'd keep kosher just in case. This, plus that most of them seem quite afraid of dying, convinces me that most people who profess to being Christian in reality don't believe a word of it. --JeevesMkII 07:09, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I've never understood that. For all those poor sods whose lives are blighted by poverty, disease, disability, then they will get their rewards in the Kingdom of Heaven. However, if just one of them happens to be in a persistent vegetative or painfully dying of cancer, then their entry must be delayed as long as possible. I also find it rather presumptious that other human beings feel obliged to speak on behalf of the Almighty and define what he is offended by. Surely an omniscient, omnipotent being that created the universe in six days could find a way to let people know directly when they're fucking up, rather than channel it through third person. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   07:43, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

And there goes maths
Smeg Ed steps in to make sure there'll never be another decent maths article on that blog. If Foxtrot knows what's good for him, he won't even bother asking. --PsyGremlinWhut? 21:58, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I thought Ed was experienced with wikis... I can't believe Ed expects to be taken seriously.  On Wikipedia, sometimes a user is banned from certain topics altogether.  I could even understand requiring someone to ask on the article's talk page first.  But requiring them to ask a particular person before making an edit, that's about as unwiki as you can get.  --Toiretni 22:26, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


 * My memory of Foxtrot is he has some strange views about the Axiom of Choice, but he wrote nearly every maths article on Conservapedia (such as they are). I can't believe Ed is now taking an interest in him. This will result in the loss of their final editor that can be bothered sifting though their crap. 3.14159 (not signed in) 22:27, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

WIGO worthy
There's a new bigot in town, in his edit he basically summarizes the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. We Jewz are not misers! Now take the quarter and get the fuck off my porch! 22:17, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Odd, Ed's reverted all his contributions, but not blocked him. Guess he likes his "miserly Jews control teh world's money" edits enough. Is Ed saying "I need to confirm you're a real anti-semite and not a parody one before I let you edit here"? I don't give him much time there; enough editors don't take kindly to such remarks, plus he disagreed with Andy on the Obama talk page. Though, to be fair, the first sentence of his rant was almost factually accurate. DickTurpis 23:06, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, your sig (Dlerner) is much nicer now. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:21, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

How do you figure?
<font color="#DCDCDC">Jinx, in his own paranoid world swears that evil visiters from another dangerous vandel site are responsible.

<font color="#DCDCDC">I never mentioned anything about another site <font color="#DCDCDC">in the link provided. While I did suspect you guys for a while, I no longer do because the level of intelligence and talent required to create a bot that goes through each username and requests a new password is far, far beyond what any of you will ever have. <font color="#DCDCDC">67.135.49.198 23:37, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Jinx, I will never tire of your shrill voice. Ace McWickedwhisky 23:40, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

EC: Speak up, O shrill, gnome-like creature. Your voice is too small to be heard by such as we. 23:42, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Jinx, you remind of Plan Nine from Outer Space and the Beast of Yucca Flats... If you take it seriously, you'll be annoyed and disgusted, but when you sit back and enjoy the sheer inanity and awful qualities, you can actually grow to love it. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  23:43, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Jellyfish, you beat me to it (My edit comment was going to be something like "I learned it by watching you!"). I agree with SirChuckB, though.  It's like being the bots in MST3K.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  23:47, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Beat you to... what? [[Image:Shifty.gif]] 23:54, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I have no idea.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  00:01, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

<font color="#DCDCDC">So you gladly admit to lying. Unsurprising. <font color="#DCDCDC">67.135.49.198 00:25, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You have faulty pattern recognition, my squeaky friend :) 00:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * <font color="#DCDCDC">Uh, no thanks. I really don't care to join you on your sexual conquests of hamsters.  <font color="#DCDCDC">67.135.49.198  19:22, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Please, it's not that hard. But why did they do it? As you mentioned to Andy, it doesn't do much more than annoy people. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it's connected to the scanner.antivir64.com/?aff=1050 incident. --Interiot 00:36, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey, I thought we agreed to ignore the attention whore. NightFlarei haz a talk page. 02:57, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, vandalizing my posts is really ignoring me. Morons. 67.135.49.198 20:21, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I know the guy who did it, but it's nobody connected with this site. And yeah, he did it just to irritate them a tiny bit. He apologises for resetting all your socks ;) Edit: it had nothing to do with the anti-virus scam thingy. 92.18.75.207 09:50, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Last wordism, Schaflly-style
Just before midnight, teh assfly chimes in with his gems... and presumably then turns "editing" off and beds down. Another day well spent vanquishing teh lib'ruls!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:35, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I swear, the reason Andy started CP was so that he could actually get the last word in arguments. --Gulik 03:57, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:21, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I vehemently disagree. If you want to persist in promoting falsehoods, then you must provide evidence of the matter.  LOCK--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 06:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

TASS & Pravda anyone?
Is the list of acceptable news sources old news? (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 07:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I don't think it has had huge play here so far, but I remember yesterday or the day before all this usual CP nonsense like liberals need not join wikiprojcet news. This I as long as I have been around CP their first wikiproject. Pity it could not have been maths instead of editors showing up one at a time, getting pissed off at Ed and leaving. $\approx$$\pi$ 08:14, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * How does the idea of a pre-approved list of news sources not set off serious alarms for these guys? Of course, the heathen, 'merica hating NY Times isn't on the list, although somewhat ironically their entry on aschlafly links to his wedding announcement. CorryTalk 08:58, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * It really doesn't bother me, only the sysops can edit the news anyway so it is not important where it comes from it still has to meet the sysop approval anyway. The project page itself is good laughs. I like the usual parodist there. $\approx$$\pi$ 09:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The guidelines are even better for the level of censorship. $\approx$$\pi$ 09:14, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I have seen something better here. DeanS "you go write me three articles and I'll do 15 seconds work moving the article back up to the top, we make a great team". $\approx$$\pi$ 09:17, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * no, he won't move them, he will "wikify" them. God i hate people who make up terms, especially when they have no relevance to the root word they are using. "wikify" aught mean something like "make lots of small edits with other people to insure that lots of people have had thier say".  Hello, you ADDED LINKS, that's all you did.  You couldn't even be bothered to write anything.  just did the hard work of saying [ [ link here ] ].  Gosh that's some serious computer know-how you done gots you.--Waiting for Godot 11:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Gotta side with Croco for once. As per WP:GLOSSARY:

Wikify: To format using Wiki markup (as opposed to plain text or HTML) and add internal links to material, incorporating it into the whole of Wikipedia.
 * So he actually does "wikify" the news. However, you're right when you say that CP is lacking in terms of "Wikiquette" ("The etiquette of working with others on Wikipedia"). --Sid 13:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Exactly, it's established jargon. Whenever new jargon is created, it's often true that one root word could have two or three possible meanings related to the root word, so communities often have to choose which one is most useful to them.  Wikipedia chose this one over "to make more NPOV" since there's a lot of new users out there that have something useful to contribute but don't know wiki syntax.  --Toiretni 13:18, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm glad someone mentioned these, and I think perhaps we should have an article on them. The guidelines and sources I found particularly ominous (things to find positive articles on/things to find negative articles on???). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:53, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

A Sad Reminder
Hey Assfly.... When you ramble on about how every citizen should have a gun and then everyone would be safe and then you fail to understand why so many people disagree.... Stories like this are the reason why you jackass <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  09:17, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm sure that his response would be that she was partially responsible. Similar to his reasoning with Sharon Tate. - Lardashe

Corry valiantly fights the forces of evil....
but it can only end in tears. Does he know the stupidity he is up against? Bjones 10:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Oh, I know. CorryTalk 15:40, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Also, as defunct the puppetmaster of TJason, I apologize for my assholishness. It was necessary at the time. Of course, that sock went down in flames on Friday....Bjones 15:45, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Actually, you were completely civil. I just looked back at the Obama stuff, and it's funny/cringe-worthy to look back at a "discussion" when I was having a few beers and watch my writing get more grandiose. How'd you get outed? You weren't over the top at all. CorryTalk 15:58, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Apparently one of my "mis-information" edits caught Karajou's eye and it went downhill from there (how could I know he knew Norse mythology? Must be some white-power thing). Fortunately he got bored about half way through reverting all of my edits and gave up. Bjones 16:05, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I particularly like it when they revert edits that were correcting spelling and grammar errors. Morons. CorryTalk 16:09, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * What I liked about that mess was that Karajou identified you as a parodist, by contradicting Andy's position on Vikings in North America. How could they have a word for North American natives if they were never there, hmm? --Kels 18:28, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Nice one on the Spanish Italian republic as well :P WDeans 11:32, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Pot, meet kettle.
no comment! 13:32, 18 August 2008 (EDT) It's small enough to qote in toto:

"The basic tools of teaching closed-mindedness include:

14:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * insisting that nearly everything is known, contrary to Isaac Newton's approach that we know almost nothing
 * demonizing conservatives and misrepresenting their positions
 * censorship of opposing views, such as classroom prayer
 * training students to accept what a majority of people think, and then misleading them about the majority view
 * trying to make it appear "cool" to take a particular (liberal) position
 * over-emphasize unchangeable things like race, and exaggerate the existence of scarcity"


 * Best WIGO I could come up with was "Conservatives make better skeptics than liberals". I'm sure that Andy would paint liberals as pseudoskeptics instead, while liberals would point out that Andy/et al rely far less on evidence.  Unfortunately, it just goes downhill from there, with each side arguing that their epistemological approach is better, with very little common ground in between.  So I don't know if it's useful to argue this one.  --Toiretni 13:49, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Your WIGO version is fine, I just wanted to put it up before anyone else. :D
 * Point 1: don't know, don't care. Point 2: hypocrite. Point 3: hypocrite. Point 4: He's doing just that. HYPOCRITE! Point 5: Nothing's cool about Andy, he scares kids all across the spectrum of society, so that's not hypocritical. However, I like saving energy, I care about the environment, and I support a woman's right to choose, because every now and then I have that certain craving for baby fetus in the morning. Point 6: Again, hypocrite. <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  14:00, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * My version would have been: "Regional brownouts are reported as Andy's new essay on Teaching Closed-Mindedness shorts out irony meters nationwide..." -SpinyNorman 14:10, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Great phrasing!!! MUCH LOLZ! --Jdellaro 14:23, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

(undent)

My response:


 * insisting that nearly everything is known, contrary to Isaac Newton's approach that we know almost nothing
 * As opposed to insisting that the infallible answer to everything is in the Bible.
 * demonizing conservatives and misrepresenting their positions
 * As opposed to teaching about "Professor Values", "Hollywood Values", and "Affirmative Action Presidents"
 * censorship of opposing views, such as classroom prayer
 * As opposed to censoring opposing views for being "liberal claptrap"
 * training students to accept what a majority of people think, and then misleading them about the majority view
 * As opposed to training students to believe what an uncertified history teacher believes is the truth based on his socio-political values, and that evidence to the contrary is the result of fraud
 * trying to make it appear "cool" to take a particular (liberal) position
 * Unlike Jesus Camp or Bibleman...
 * over-emphasize unchangeable things like race, and exaggerate the existence of scarcity"
 * Unless we're talking about affirmative action presidents, women in the military, or the need for domestic offshore oil drilling

-SpinyNorman 14:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I really want to provide point-by-point responses as well...  let's collaborate at our version: Conservapedia:Teaching Closed-Mindedness. --Toiretni 14:30, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Gotta get back to work (break time's over), but feel free to copy/paste as you see fit. -SpinyNorman 14:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

It may be a new pinnacle in the field of hypocrisy. It's actually quite bewildering that anybody can be that blind to their own double standards. Especially after the liberal teachings / mental illness article (*theory that no sensible person would ever consider, *stamp out any attempts to question it or suggest alternatives, *refuse to debate the issue, *then claim liberals are closed-minded!). <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId <font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 14:56, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm beginning to think that part of the initiation for CP sysops involves surgically removing the self-awareness center from their brain. --Gulik 15:14, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They are just trying to stir up interest by posting ridiculous things. They've noticed a spike in traffic when they get noticed by the blogosphere and also noticed they have to get pretty highly on the looney meter to get noticed so they're trying to reach that goal. It's simple Barnum and Bailey bullshit. Nothing new.Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 15:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Does that imply we should boycott their looniest articles? Long-term, the B&B approach might get them higher Google placement, but only at the cost of permanently damaging their reputation.  B&B is a long-term strategy, it isn't something they can quickly reverse once they get better known.  In fact, the better we document it now, the less room they'll have for "going mainstream" down the road. --Toiretni 16:10, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Imagine a sad little man typing crazy messages in the basement of a house his mother built. Imagine that every now and again one of the messages strikes the said little man as funny and he laughs and laughs until his face turns red and urine soaks his pants. Now imagine how much that sad little man cares about his future credibility.  Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 16:19, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Anyway, wasn't it Socrates who said "All I know is that I know nothing" or words to that effect? I can't remember anything Netwon ever said or wrote that is similar. --JeevesMkII 16:45, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "permanently damaging their reputation" hahahahahaha, that was achieved in late November 2006 when CP went on line. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:06, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This seems apt.--Antifly 17:07, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Sock hall of fame page
Would anybody else like to see a sock/parody edit "Hall of Fame" page for socks that have been outed? It seems to me we miss out on some major lulz because good parody edits/socks can't be discussed while they are active, and once they are deleted\banned they're pretty much old news. Bjones 16:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Pro: Wikipedia has WP:DENY, and this is the exact opposite of that.
 * Con: It would probably diminish our reputation slightly, and more importantly, would make it easy for detractors to point to the page and use it to label us as a bunch of hoodlums.
 * The thing is, RationalWiki has conflicting goals. For some of us, the main goal is to diminish CP's influence.  For others of us, the main goal is to fix a few of CP's problems, since some of them are so obvious and so annoying.  The latter group may be short-sighted.  But nonetheless, that group wants to maintain a minimum reputation in order to have a small amount of input on discussions over there.  --Toiretni 16:44, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Alas, my primary goal is to be entertained. Hence, I love me some parody/mis-information edits (I guess some call it vandalism). And I often wished I knew exactly who it was making me laugh. Bjones 16:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd reply to the "Con" with the suggestion that the page could simply list the parodist with a list of "feats" and a quick write-up what makes the feats recognizable ("Lasted for x months before anybody on CP realized WTF was going on") - but without saying or implying that it was one of us. Toiretni is right in saying that a central "brag list" where RW editors openly say "Yes, this and that was me, huzzah!" would be a fairly dumb thing to do (even though I agree that it'd be hilarious) because it reflects very badly onto RW.
 * Which brings me to the point where I pretty much agree with WP:DENY. Making a sort of "shrine" dedicated to wandalism and parody (no matter if it's with or without names) pretty much makes it look like a competition where we encourage people to sock up, and that is something we definitely shouldn't do, I think. --Sid 16:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Computer says noooo. Believe it or not, at RW we don't endorse, promote, or support vandalism (except to our own wiki), which "sockpuppeteering" implies.  The other issue is that if you discuss "parody edits" here, CP will fix them fast (some of them watch us as obsessively as some of us watcht hem...). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:00, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I think the point was to log the already reverted/discovered stuff, but yeah, still agree that wandalism is pretty much frowned upon. We can't stop individuals from doing so, but that's no reason to openly encourage people. The thing is that parodists are kinda fun to watch for a while, but in the end, they distract from the insanity of the real people (sysops and a few weird people like Jinx). It's a lot more fun to see sysops slapping each other once there is nobody left to bully. --Sid 17:04, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I nominate Bugler. Wismike 17:21, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Much as I love to talk about socking, we probably shouldn't talk about it too much here; both out of respect to the "CP thinks RW is a sock haven, waah waah" crowd :) and for the practical reason that (at least until we start pointing it out too often) CP rarely fixes all the wandalism of an outed sock at once. By drawing RW's attention to an outed sock, you also encourage the watchers at CP Hi Jinx! to go back through his or her old edits, run checkuser, etc. Which causes collateral lulz damage.
 * That said, you may be looking for Conservapedia:Vandalism on Wheels. It's far out of date, but given what I just said above, I kind of hope it stays that way. As Bugs Bunny once said, TURN OFF THAT LIGHT!  --Marty 17:51, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well we do have our own of CP parody. I often find it amusing to go back and have a laugh. Also, as not all entries are by RW editors it is not our "trophy room". [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    18:05, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree it shouldn't be about celebrating vandalism or sockpuppetry by RW members. But it would be worth recording parodies or subversive content which have actually managed to survive unnoticed on CP a long time - like the 'chocolate starfish' edit which was there for about a year & a half (see further up this page).  Anyone can make a vandalous edit which gets reverted straight away, but planting something funny which stays a long time is more of an achievement.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|20px]]<font color="brown" face="Mufferaw">bite me 18:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

My take on it is that having a sock Hall of Fame implicitly suggests that such actions are supported by RW, when in truth it is up to each individual user whether they want to be a sock or not. Having had several socks myself (and having more than one active currently) I can tell you that noone on RW has ever known the identities of any of my socks until long after the fact, and I wouldn't want my actions to reflect badly on the site. I alone am responsible for my edits, the vast majority of which have been legitimate, though I have added a touch of parody here and there. Truthfully, I've used my socks more to challenge the status quo (particularly with regard to vaccination, shaken baby syndrome, and genocide), and I've never vandalized an article. For the most part, the only lulz I look for are from Andy et al's reactions, not from my own cleverness. Stile4aly 19:24, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Narr. We don't want to promote an image of being vandals - which is how it would be spun. No matter how pure our motives we'd be portrayed as revelling in the destruction (which is not to say we  shouldn't revel in the destruction :-) 19:46, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh yes. Second Bungler for biggest parodist yet accepted by Andy. 19:48, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Star Trek!
Today's fierce debate on Conservapedia, does cp:Star Trek hate religion? Tommorow, Darth Vader: Affirmative action sith lord? --JeevesMkII 19:04, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Well, there were religious groups in Texas that managed to get episodes of the original series banned, and not just on the basis of Shatner's acting. --Kels 20:24, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Roddenberry was an atheist, everybody knows that. But they have the whole Bajoran religion in DS9, not to mention the lords of Kobol in the revamped BSG (another Ronald D. Moore production..) 20:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * But there's all that slash fanlit...-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 20:41, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There's a Church of Spock here in Alberta. -Barikada, too lazy to sign in.

Conservapedian Cosmology
Falsifiability: ur doing it wrong.--Antifly 19:30, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hilarious. Hey,, just what, exactly, was the prediction? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:53, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Fact: God likes cheese. Prediction: Moon will be made of cheese. --JeevesMkII 20:06, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Are you honestly asking me? Or are you still ignoring me and asking a rhetorical question? 67.135.49.198 20:23, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * All three. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:43, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

You know, what I think Jinx is forgetting (or just being willfully ignorant of the fact as it doesnt appear in his, hmmm, "science book"/Bible) is the the Universe is an incredibly large and old place and our current understanding of the observable universe is rather limited due to technological issues. Just a thought. Ace McWickedwhisky 21:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ace is correct the only exoplants we can find are planets the size of Jupiter or bigger. Our solar system may be common because all those stars that don't appear to have planets could just have a lots of earth sized planets which we can't detect. Also the starting condition rubbish was put to death by Laplace, read God created the integers by Steven Hawking, with the Laplacian attractor that found that with perturbation on the starting conditions the planets would have formed the orbits the do now. 192.43.227.18 22:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Correct, current methods are very good at finding... Jupiter-sized planets in very close orbits. So guess what we find? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:22, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, there are about 100,000,000,000 Stars in our galaxy and so far we've not really examined many of them. There are somewhere around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one thousand billion billion)  or 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (ten thousand billion billion)  stars in the universe. What're the chances of us being unique? Low!!!!  11:55, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hooray for faith! Can't argue with logic as solid as that!  Evidence: you're doing it wrong.  lulz!  67.135.49.198 12:49, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Millenium hand and shrimp.
 * How long have you been a spoon? 12:53, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Please do not feed the trolls. 12:58, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Check it out
I found a picture of Andy. --Kels 22:50, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Ha! That is exactly like Andy. 192.43.227.18 22:52, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, that is great. Can we haz permissionz to use it do ya think? (Hint: a nice email often results in the answer "yes", unless they are syndicated) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:17, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Sensitive Ed
Ah, it warms it cockles of the heart. Ed edits an entry by a Japanese CP'er, then adds "Editing this article brought tears to my eyes; I don't know why. Maybe because of war connection of my grandfather Ed Poor". yes, Ed I'm sure she'll be thrilled to know your Granpappy built warplanes. Idiot. --PsyGremlinWhut? 00:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

"...can symbolism not only fireflies..."??!!?? If he's going to correct their English he might at least do it proper. 82.44.18.31 04:53, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe he was speaking Japanese? I only went there after your comment... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  05:26, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Edrish? I'm using Human's excuse . . . Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 07:38, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Karajou and paw fetish
This may be old news but I am sure there are users who have never seen this before. Who would have thought that the ruthless troll destructor of Conservapedia has a gentle humane side and an interest in paw fetish? Cute! --Adelphos 04:04, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah but... we don't know if that account was created by a "troublemaker" just to create irrelevant lulz. Can we haz checkuser... oh, no, we killed that.  Eh, it's probably not really him. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:10, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm pretty sure that Karajou the bully and Karajou the furry are one and the same. C'est la vie say the old folks. It goes to show you never can tell. Silver Sloth 04:33, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Eh, I call shenanigans. Too easy a target to play. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:41, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I concur. Tis simply the work of a japester. 06:37, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh well, it was a lovely thought. BTW, here's a photo of the guy Silver Sloth 06:56, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's definitely not how I pictured him. He looks like he should be a mayor. (Assuming that is a legitimate accout of his, and not a random parody someone's put together) 07:04, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Appendix A: We shouldn't really look up pictures of Conservapedians. It's sort of unkind. 07:06, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Isn't that the website where people from here stole the CP users names and made fake profiles including announcing Andy's run for President? $\approx$$\pi$ 07:40, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not sure -- I can't find the "Andy running for President" notice anywhere in their entry for "Andrew Schlafly". Where's our original link to that thing, anyway? 07:43, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * here is where I would look. $\approx$$\pi$ 07:44, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Got it.
 * Yeah, the Karajou entry is a parody... 07:46, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * How unfair they deleted everything about 16 hous ago. That stuff was Golden lulz. 07:48, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Panic over it is here. $\approx$$\pi$ 07:49, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Panic over it is here. $\approx$$\pi$ 07:49, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Am I the only one that recognizes that it's a picture of Mitt Romney? 08:58, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So far yes. I don't know who Mitt Romney is. $\approx$$\pi$ 09:01, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ditto for me. 09:42, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * former Republican presidential hopeful -- governor of Utah, or someplace like it, Dapper Dan spokesman. I noticed. i thought it was for the lulz. I had no idea it was being taken seriously.  Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 11:52, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh you've got to be shitting me! He was the Mormon governor of Massa-fucking-chusetts! Doesn't anyone have a memory span greater then a goldfish! I've lived in Australia for the last year and I know who he is and what he looks like! And by the way, he's a douch (Karjoo or Romney, take a pick) 11:59, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Fire-breathing dinosaurs
Saying there's no evidence that dinosaurs breathed fire isn't allowed. Why bother trying to put in parody material when the real CPers can do it better themselves? Totnesmartin 05:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I should bloody well hope so!
Is anybody else deeply concerned by this "news" item. Are they seriously complaining over at CP, because doctor's can't say, "Oh, you're gay, go away." Haven't they (and those doctors at the clinic, who should be hounded out of practice) heard of the Hippocratic Oath? They really are scum over there. --PsyGremlinWhut? 05:50, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (((((((((((((Seethe)))))))))))))))) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  06:07, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)CP just quote-mined itself, the news item refers only to doctors refusing to artificially inseminate lesbian couples, which is, well, not on the same level as actually letting them die (then again Croco probably thinks both are alright).


 * I wonder what they have to say about the ACLU supporting their cause though. NightFlarei haz a talk page. 06:10, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not the ACLU, I thought the same at first... but it's actually the ACRU (American Civil Rights Union) that supprted them. Basically, they're the right wing version of the ACLU that just piggy backed on the name. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  08:19, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * When reading the Wikiproject News Sources list (see section Tass & Pravda above), I was surprised too that ACLU was included, until I realized it was a ACRU instead. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 08:24, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You can tell the difference because of the L for Left and the R for Right? :P But anyway, I'm sure in fantasy land they love it when Doctors let gays die. And blacks too. And atheists. In fact, why don't they go one step further and just put anyone not doing the neo-conga into camps. Armondikov 08:28, 19 August 2008 (EDT)