User talk:Wisconcom/Archive2

Deleting threads
Don't. No matter where it is on the Saloon Bar or user talk pages, threads should not be deleted most of the time. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 20:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Check your email
Just sent it. Vee (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Geniune question
Hi there. You seem to be very active in the communist movement. That's cool. Out of curiosity, which communist party did you join-? Assuming you joined one, of course.--A p r i l Chat? 05:12, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, comrade. I am indeed what could be considered active in our movement, yes. However, I am not yet a member of any Communist Party. But I am intending on joining the American Party of Labor, thank you. Wisconcom (talk) 12:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi fed. 14:36, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? notable of revolutionary communists in the United States of America are not formally members of a party. Are all of them "feds"? You should be more thoughtful in what you say before randomly fed-jacketing people. Wisconcom (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I thought as such since you cited their e-newspaper several times. Nice. I'm in the CPUSA, for context.--A p r i l Chat? 14:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, another fed ousted themselves 💀 14:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ???--A p r i l Chat? 15:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, yes, the FBI infiltrated us many a time--A <font color="Pink">p <font color="EBECF0">r <font color="Pink">i <font color="55CDFC">l Chat? 15:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Do we have another "communist" that thinks communism is when the state controls everything and when America bad or are you a fed? ---Ozzyboo (talk) 16:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ...Communism is the final stage of socialism, a society of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need," in which there are no longer classes or states. There is a transitionary process that leads to it. A centralized economy, state ownership, and the dictatorship of the proletariat are inherent to the transitionary period, which is not communism.
 * I'm not asinine. I am aware this hasn't led to communism yet. But I will not assume communism will automatically materialize. And no, I do not view the so-called US positively.--<font color="55CDFC">A <font color="Pink">p <font color="EBECF0">r <font color="Pink">i <font color="55CDFC">l Chat? 16:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I assumed my affiliation was obvious because I helped construct the communist glossary but okay then--<font color="55CDFC">A <font color="Pink">p <font color="EBECF0">r <font color="Pink">i <font color="55CDFC">l Chat? 16:29, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * How well did that transitionary process go for the USSR? Or Vietnam? Or China? I've heard this "transitionary period! dictatorship of the proletariat!" crap from a lot of MLs and it's just kind of interesting how every single time that exact concept has been tried it's only led to state capitalist oligarchies and autocracies, something decidedly not communist. ---Ozzyboo (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

The dictatorship of the proletariat went rather well, the economy was greatly expanded, rights were given, and so on. The only reason why we are not living in Communism presently is largely due to the revisionist Khrushev doing a coup against Stalin and reverting the Soviet Union back to Capitalism, the same would certainly not happen under Stalin's leadership. Further, being that you seem to be a Libertarian Socialist/Anarchist/Left Communist, give me one alternative for how to develop society to Communism without a centralized state led by a vanguard party? Wisconcom (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Assuming I think communism is a good idea at all (I do not think the abolition of the state is a good thing), I don't know? I'm not a Marxist theorist, I don't know what alternative there is, since no one has done it yet, but I do know what doesn't lead to communism, vanguard parties don't work. I'm not an anarchist, you clearly aren't either, but I'm also not a moron, so I don't think giving the state complete centralized control over anything is going to lead to the socialist utopia, because the state having centralized control under a single vanguard party is fascism, something also decidedly not communist. Skip the vanguard party, centralized state bullshit, the true transitionary period between capitalism and socialism is social democracy and republicanism. (Not that republicanism) ---Ozzyboo (talk) 21:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

You say you don't like "tankies" but...
Aren't you aware of the fact that upholding Stalin makes you a "tankie" in the eyes of most of the Western non-ML left?
 * I do not consider myself a "tankie" due to my lack of support of the People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Laos, the former Soviet Union after 1956, and other countries. While I understand that many would consider me a "tankie", the main people who are considered "tankie" today, or who even self-identify are CCP supporters ("Dengists"), Russia supporters (particularly those who support the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine), etc. Wisconcom (talk) 20:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * “tankie” isn’t really a term that people self-identify with and it has always been a short-hand for Stalin apologist. I never met someone who supported those nations that didn’t engage in Stalin apologia on the side. I think you are identifying a common trope but not necessary and sufficient conditions to the contemporary context to what is meant by the term. The most broad usage typically being anyone who can be identified as “auth-left”. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 15:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Vee (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you. Wisconcom (talk) 19:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well you've redeemed yourself, so I think it's past time autopatrolled was given to you. Vee (talk) 19:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I remember giving this guy temporary autopatrolled some time ago because they looked like they were turning themselves around, so what you just did was an extension of what I was doing. --Luigifan18 (talk) 02:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

What the heck, man?!
You just raised a case against another user in ATIM without notifying them?!? That is a pretty big no-no around here. People have a right to know when charges are being raised against them. --Luigifan18 (talk) 02:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * My apologizes. Wisconcom (talk) 03:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted. Just please don't do it again. --Luigifan18 (talk) 10:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure you're not a moderator. Vee (talk) 06:22, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No, but someone had to tell him. --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If no mod or sysop told him, then it's probably not important. Plus, you shouldn't say "that is a pretty big no-no around here" considering your own history. Please focus on making productive contributions and stop trying to act like a moderator. Plutocow (talk) 20:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Sysop
Vee (talk) 06:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Stupendous, thank you. I ensure you I will use such privilege with great care and in a productive manner. Wisconcom (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Please don't suppress edits randomly
Edit suppression is only to be used for doxxing (aka people's personal IRL info) or shit that could get the site in legal trouble if left visible. Due to it's nature, it's usually only done with big swathes of content. Don't just suppress content because you'd rather not like it visible. The way you did it didn't hide anything either due to how revdelling works. -- Techpriest (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my misuse of this feature, and will not repeat these mistakes. For full clarity, my reasoning was that the edits I had made on the wiki and user rename request pages were seen and shared off-site, and furthermore, my actions regarding the editing of the wiki page have been documented similarly off-site with the intention to make me seem like some sort of opportunist. Regardless, I understand my usage of this has been inappropriate. Wisconcom (talk) 21:50, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If you don't feel confortable with these edits being public I personally believe you can ask for their supression since they do show some information that can be used against you in other communities. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 21:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)