User talk:SusanG/Archive9

Yeah!
Just think - soon YOU will be the only turd on this wiki! &mdash; Unsigned, by: 69.158.106.21 / talk / contribs


 * What have you got against Turdsmanians? --Kels 19:42, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Forum
You are aware that they do exist, correct? --Linus (plot evil tech) 19:52, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Yup! I reads 'em but can't write 'm. - no e-mail address. Susan Purrrrrrr  19:58, 15 January 2008 (EST)


 * Sorry, I forgot. I can register an account for you if you so desire. --Linus (plot evil tech) 20:01, 15 January 2008 (EST)

PLEASE! Susan Purrrrrrr  20:04, 15 January 2008 (EST)


 * Is this you? --Linus (plot evil tech) 20:14, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * No! It seems to be an imposter! Susan  Purrrrrrr  20:21, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Farewell, imposter. --Linus (plot evil tech) 20:24, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Wait, you have no e-mail, so how can I e-mail you? Doggone it. I guess I can post it here, if you grab it and change it. --Linus (plot evil tech) 20:27, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, you know what, I'm disabling the e-mail requirement briefly. Register rapidly. --Linus (plot evil tech) 20:29, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * …Or not. Bloody software. --Linus (plot evil tech) 20:34, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Can't we just make the account, then activate it manually from the admin panel? -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 20:48, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Sorry guys - don't go to all this just for me. Susan Purrrrrrr  20:52, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Sheesh, leave the cronky bootch alone to do what she does best, eh? Purrrr... human  01:03, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * You know, I once looked at the forum. Then I said "Oh, God.  A real forum.  Why couldn't they operate like Uncyclopedia does?  I then hit the back button on my browser.  -- 04:40, 16 January 2008 (EST)

'''I done it! '''    Susan  Purrrrrrr  14:03, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * So you did! Welcome to the Annex to the Dollhouse! human  14:16, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Moral Matrix
On the moral matrix graph (Talk Main Page) it looks like we're about the same, morals wise. I can't work out if you're on top of me, or I'm on top of you, though. Don't mind, either way ;) Spica 18:51, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Well, we're both Brits & I think I'm on top though it wouldn't matter as I'm not into guys (which I assume you are by your strange hiverishness). I don't think that we really understand the Murkan mind - they (at least AS) don't undestand ours. They seem much more polarised than our political system (sic). The Religious Right are further out than te Brit Nats and their leftists are probably to the right of the Tories. It's all rather strange really. I just don't want us to go the same way. TB going Catholic has really annoyed me - that Liberal guy is Atheist how about that! I tend to rant - sorry. Susan Purrrrrrr  19:09, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 *  Ooops! Apologies for the "on top" remark - I should've been more broadminded, being a psych nurse ("when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me"). Me, I've done the whole wife+2 kids+mortgage+dog+2 cars bit. And yes, even our beloved BNP are less right-wing than the American right-wingers. I think their lefties are watery though, not like our unionised lot.Spica 19:17, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * BTW, Hivers don't have genders - they reproduce by passing genetic material between each other with their rear limb, and there's no pleasure involved. They call it "shaking hands". You really don't want to know where they keep their eggs........... Spica 19:17, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * This place is still such a wonderful source of lulz! Yup, USAians are insane. As one who has lived here his entire "adult" life, I think, "wait, I'm really a socialist/liberal".  Then I remember, I'm still a British citizen.  200 miles north is escape if I ever need to.  Or, if it's not an emergency, there's always the "right of return".  Won't be in style, like the QE2 on the way over here, gotta fly tourist, but: I ALWAYS HAVE A HOME. Thank you, UK. human  20:00, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, and what am I, chopped liver? -- 12:58, 17 January 2008 (EST)

I think that's just about enough mutual admiration for one day. Nationalism in all its guises too petty for words. At least a notch above racism, though.PoorEd 13:43, 17 January 2008 (EST)


 * Not nationalism, just bafflement at teh Murcans. Susan  Purrrrrrr  13:53, 17 January 2008 (EST)


 * Point well taken. I confess I am baffled by most of humanity. Have you travelled much in the States? PoorEd 16:24, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks :)
It'd been building for a while ;) --Robledo 18:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Snooker
Hoorah! The Rotherham Godbotherer Murphy has been knocked out of the snooker masters! Susan Purrrrrrr  19:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Ooh! Ooh! Can I be the one to block him?
If National Socialist does turn out to be a Neo-Nazi, can I be the one to block him? -- 23:31, 18 January 2008 (EST)


 * Go get him boy! Susan  Purrrrrrr  23:35, 18 January 2008 (EST)
 * Yay! -- 23:43, 18 January 2008 (EST)

template style
Have you noticed that many WP infoboxes (etc.) now contain three small links, to "edit/talk/(something)"? I think we should start trying to do something like that, to make the path to fixing things shorter. The "something" might be "view"... yeah, it's "view/talk/edit" I think.

We could just use a "pagename" thing and burn through a bunch of them pretty easily I think. And double "small" tags to minimize visual impact. Just a thought... human  11:56, 21 January 2008 (EST)
 * I was looking at this very thing myself on MediaWiki today and it is just a standard template that transcludes the template name. And Human, if your eyes are so bad why do you want double small fonts?  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis  Marauding 12:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)
 * So they don't take up space. Though, I think I have also seen them set up as "V/T/E", which can be bigger but not intrusive.  So, yeah, we could have an easy to type template that can be put anywhere we want in various navboxes and tempaltes?  template name?  "vte"? human  12:46, 21 January 2008 (EST)

help:coverstory
Something about this seems to have broken helpnav, and although I keep thinking I'm gonna fix it, nothing helps.

It probably didn't help that we were both editing it at the same time! Do you have any idea what's wrong? I even tried deleting almost all the text (to eliminate nowikis and noincludes) and it didn't help.

I'm gonna try removing it from the help category & helpnav just to "heal" helpnav for now... Sorry if I messed up your work. human  12:30, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Seems ok now! : - p Susan  Purrrrrrr  12:34, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * I fixed it - it was the nowikis on the main help page, check my last edit there. Somehow one was getting hung up and puking the rest of the list on helpnav. human  12:35, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Hmmm, the third line of instruction at the bottom of main help is still half-breaking. Right now it's deleted.  Apparently, even though it is nowiki'd, the part that says "  " is being read and the word "parameter" gets added to the "Main help page" thing in helpnav.  What's the "gibberish" for curly brackets so we can get rid of them?  That might fix it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  12:43, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Got it. &#123;works&#125; <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  12:48, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Ja ich habe dich gesehen
Ja ich habe dich gesehen. Bei der deutschen Wikipedia sagen die Wikipedianer immer du zu einander. Deswegen soll es in Ordnung sein du auch hier zu schreiben. Als Ausländer ist es schwer zu wissen, ob man du sagen oder schreiben darf ohne unhöflich zu sein.Barbara Shack 08:26, 26 January 2008 (EST)


 * Ganz gut. Nun gehe ich kaufen - wiedersehen. Susan  Purrrrrrr  08:30, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Danke. Es ist gut dass du mich gegen diesem Römisch Katolischen Akjeldsen geholfen hast. Er ist Römisch Katolisch. Er sagt eben auf seiner Benutzerseite, „This user is a Christian, but doesn't mind what you are.“ Und später sagt er, „This user is a closet Catholic. Shhhh“. Was hast du gegen den Juden?Barbara Shack 13:51, 27 January 2008 (EST)


 * "gegen den Juden" - nichts.


 * Hier wir sind alle freundlich aber Akj ist ein bisschen wie ein Lehrer (schooolteacher?), er ist sehr klug und wisst sehr viel, aber er denkst dass die Andere wissen gar nichts. ''(sorry but this is really taking it out of me - as I said - I havn't spoken German since the 60s and my vocabulary's crap).
 * Naja. Wir haben wohl alle unsere kleine Exzentrizitäten, nicht wahr? ;-) -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 14:20, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Und Fr. Shack, ich muss leider mit einem Missverständnis aufraümen: ich bin leider kein Katholik. Deshalb sage ich "closet Catholic", wissen Sie. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 14:26, 27 January 2008 (EST)


 * Although I had a relative (now deceased) who was in the BUF before the war & was interned under Section 18B during said conflict - it's probably a reaction to that which makes me so bolshevik & anti everything right wing.  Susan  Purrrrrrr  14:16, 27 January 2008 (EST)

the pub(l)ic announcermentz
RationalWiki:Random coverstory

I think I peed myself. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  23:23, 27 January 2008 (EST)


 * You're thunker than I drink you am. (hic) Susan  Purrrrrrr  23:29, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * No, Ah'm thinker than you drunk I iz!


 * Nice work, though, and a very original way to bring a topic up for the mob to peruse, to boot. And a cool tribute to the (weeks?) (months?) (years?) of work we spent fiddlin' this tune into very trim and elastic shape. Wikilaboration iz teh fun, eh? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  23:55, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Verily, it is the phrase "Wikians of the Rat" which doth afford me greatest pleasre in my screed. (& that typos can be left in)

Yes, each to his own particular strength & synergy take the hindmost. Susan Purrrrrrr  00:09, 28 January 2008 (EST)
 * I almost changed "rat" to "goat", but luckily I figured out what it meant before doing so. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  12:52, 28 January 2008 (EST)


 * You would contempate altering the word of the Almighty? Verily thou art an Heretic and shouldst be cast out. Susan  Purrrrrrr  12:56, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Hey, don't forget to start a section called "cover story" on a talk page when you add the nomination template... I did it on a couple you added, along with "(please do not archive this section)" above where discussion would occur. I wish we could automate starting that section! I could add a link to the template, but it would have to be able to figure out if the section exists in the talk page first. (if not, the link would be "talk xyz &action=edit &section=new", thereafter it would be "talk xyz #cover_story", or some such. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  12:22, 29 January 2008 (EST)


 * Aaaargh! - I hate wikitalk - it never crossed my mind to add the section - sorry. I was just going round deleting that flag I'd put on earlier & replacing it with cover. As you know it takes me l o n g minutes to access/edit/submit a page so I'll leave it to you faster people.  Susan  Purrrrrrr  12:34, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Sounds fair... can you leave edit comment notes for me? A simple "please add section in talk" or sumthin would be enough.  Then I'll know it needs done. When is BT gonna let you play on the 'tubes at full speed again, anyway? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  12:37, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Broadband cost
Re broadband - we're a tad cash short @ the moment so I'm continuing as I am - this cell phone/pda contract includes unlimited internet access - BT is about £25 ($50) per month) & it's a bit over budget @ the moment. Sorted them (BT) out - down to £60 from initial bill of £327! Only slight downside is we have no landline at all! Susan  Purrrrrrr  12:53, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Eh, landlines are so 20th century! Well, I hope youse all get your finances back on track sooner than later. Hey, I thought Britain was a communist socialist country!  Why don't they have "free broadband for all" yet? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  13:05, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Get a doctor to write a prescription for "broadband" to alleviate some sort of medical anomaly? That way you could game the NHS into giving you BB @ little or no cost to you! Warren Terra 13:11, 29 January 2008 (EST)

No award for you?
Sure?- 18:00, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Awww. Don't embawass me. (blushes) Susan  Purrrrrrr  18:08, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Subliminal?
Knew there was some reason I didn't like "Ender's Game":  Susan  Purrrrrrr  21:03, 3 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, I try not to judge a book by its author. Saves me a lot of stress. :-) On a different note, why didn't you like Ender's Game (not to push my own opinion on you, I'm just curious)?  -- 21:11, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I agree re book/author (in theory) but I;'m allways wary that they might be pushing a point of view. Ender's game I felt (all awards aside) to be written for15 year olds with a reading age of 8. I think it's poorly written and plot weak. (I've had this conversation with someone here before - Thunderkatz?) It just didn't have that "want to know what happens next" feel & I couldn't empathise with the characters. Just btw I enjoyed a lot of Piers Anthony's books until I read a diatribe in the back of one - can't remember what it was exactly but it put me off him for life. I can't help colouring my view of the book with my opinion of the author - ignorance is bliss. Susan Purrrrrrr  21:25, 3 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, "flat characters"—that's me all over. :-)  -- 21:51, 3 February 2008 (EST)

To go off on a tangent, am I the only one who missed the supposed atheist overtones in Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials series? -- 21:51, 3 February 2008 (EST)


 * Don't think it is atheist overtones as much as anti(christian?)religious overtly. (badly writt but you get the meaning)  Susan  Purrrrrrr  22:07, 3 February 2008 (EST)
 * Was reading it supposed to turn me into some sort of raging antitheist, then? I feel like I missed out on the party now...  -- 22:10, 3 February 2008 (EST)
 * Naar! It probably just reinforced pre-existing conditions. (but see section header!) Susan  Purrrrrrr  22:22, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Kaz?
Oh hey. I didn't know anyone noticed the plights of poor Kazumaru. Sweet. :D Barikada 21:42, 4 February 2008 (EST)


 * My word - you've been digging, was kaz any connection to your goodself? Susan  Purrrrrrr  01:25, 5 February 2008 (EST)


 * Heh, not digging-- Just happened to see it in the listing at the top of the page. :P Kazumaru was my first name on CP. Kaz is the most commmon abbreviation.
 * Kinda wish I'd known about this place back them. :P Barikada 01:29, 5 February 2008 (EST)


 * Mmm ... you've been a argumentative bugger (that's a 'good thing btw) all along haven't you. (just been checking kaz's contribs)  Susan  Purrrrrrr  02:31, 5 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yeah, pretty much. :D Barikada 02:46, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Aaaaaaaah
Note the time! 03:38, 5 February 2008 (EST) I've finished my rewrite! (Probably another two to go!)  Susan  Purrrrrrr  03:38, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * I hope that's 3:38 pm and not am. My own rewrite... I have yet to start on it.  ^_^  -- 03:41, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * 5 hours diff - actually 08:38 - finished all night session. Gotta print it out now - agent won't take it on dvd! Susan  Purrrrrrr  03:48, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, good luck. Try not to have too much fun!  :-)  -- 04:00, 5 February 2008 (EST)

testing ispage
This is








 * refs:

Why doesn't the reference refer?
 * Refer to what? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:35, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, I see. Lemme look. - H
 * What's weird is it is ref #2 - meaning there must be another one higher up that isn't showing up, either! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:41, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * Look what I did. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:43, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * Do you guys want help with this? --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 20:08, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sure!
 * I think the problem is that when the page is rendered, the references tag does not know to grab the result of the template insertion of a ref. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:11, 6 February 2008 (EST)

I can't keep up wih you lot so carry on. Susan Purrrrrrr  20:15, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry about that, I forget your pageload time issues. See what I said about the ref thing, though?  I viewed the "source" of template talk:ispage as it is now, and the "ref" sets up as a link, but where the references tag should build a list, there is nothing - so it might be a "bug" in how MW parses pages for output.  Although, as they say up in this partof the woods, it's hard tellin', not knowin'. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:18, 6 February 2008 (EST)


 * I tried it out (differently) on Beta (qv) Susan  Purrrrrrr  20:25, 6 February 2008 (EST)


 * Did it work? linkie? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:38, 6 February 2008 (EST)


 * I think it has to do with inclusion… --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 20:45, 6 February 2008 (EST)

WHO'S A CLEVER GIRL THEN? Susan Purrrrrrr  21:10, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, that certainly saves a lot of keystrokes! Note that it works right on the template page itself, for the same reason. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  21:14, 6 February 2008 (EST)


 * I did say I was playing! (sulks at denigratory comment by Human) : -) Susan  Purrrrrrr  21:21, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * I know ;) Was my implied smiley too subtle?  Would you like something shiny to ameliorate the pain, or is that simply too sexist of an offer to countenance? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  22:09, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Block
Susan, I handed you a small block for today for this edit. Please try to be nice (or at least not un-nice) to the new people, we're losing enough editors as it is. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 03:14, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * Inasmuchas AKJ has apparently taken his godbothering to the extent of being the ultimate guiding conscience of RationalWiki, I can't in all honesty stay. user:SusanG 04:02, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * Susan, a wiki is the sum of its contributing editors and the loss of one editor ia largely irrelevant. There have been many here whom I was not sad to see the back of despite the Oh Noes bewailing their loss. However, if you leave then the hole will be disproportionately large. I am still unhappy with the conflict resolution here as it is arbitrary and AK's blocking shows a shameful disrespect of another sysop which in my view oversteps the limits. If there were issues about your edit then it should have gone to a sysop discussion.  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 04:33, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * AK, that was incredibly heavy-handed. Susan has been part of the backbone of RW.  Kip the Dip?  A wandering follower of his buddies from wiki to wiki, at best.  I think you acted poorly, whatever she may have said. I think the question "Is RatWiki becoming a haven for children with strange non-mission agendas?" is well put, under the circumstances.
 * Susan: I hope you don't mind, I restored your user page. Don't leave in a snit.  It's been a weird weekend overall, what with Ungwie's deceptive insertion of ID trolling all over our articles.
 * Back to AK: Do you really think that Kip the Dip, future preacher, is as important an asset to this wiki as, say, our Susan? Sure, we'd like to "keep" Kip the Dip, I suppose.  But why, exactly?  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  04:42, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, I have a different question. Why was that edit supposed to be so offensive to Mr Dip anyway? I must admit that I've not been following this one, but the comment could just as easily (or indeed, more easily) have been directed at New Gwension or our New World Order fanatics.--Bobbing up 04:46, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Think about this for a moment... a new user who contributed nothing, but whinged about there being a lot of atheism on this site, caused AK to block a long time trusted and valued editor here. As I said elsewhere, I will be happy to entertain discussion of a brief promotion of AK to "editor" from "sysop" for incredibly poor judgement. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  04:56, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * Jesus Fucking Christ! You're all just itching to turn this incident into website-dividing schism, aren't you?  AKjeldson—discussion would have been more productive than a ban.  That was poor judgment on your part.  Susan—how is AKjeldson "godbothering"?  He made no mention of god at all—you did.  Clearly, his concern was the people here, rather than the abstract intellectual purity that you seem to be seeking in this site.  Ghengis—"a wiki is the sum of its... editors... the loss of one editor is largely irrelevant"?  That's rather cold of you.  I also find it interesting that you think of Kip the Dip as "just one editor", a loss we can easily sustain, and then turn around and call Susan invaluable.  Quite the double standard.  Kip the Dip expressed that he was interested in discussion, and as a religious user, was part of a minority on this site that we desperately need more of.  Susan is major contributor to this site.  And you can't think of a way to keep both of them?  Human—"But why, exactly"?  Since when did we need a reason to keep our users?  He was clearly interested in discussion, and yet you just brush him off?  -- 05:08, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry, RA, Kip the Dip was not interested in discussion. He followed some friends here (like, today), and discovered it was not a place he was comfortable (like, after looking around).  So AK blocked Susan - an editor of long standing and immense contributions to what RW is.  Does that make any frickin' sense?  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  05:12, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Gah. More drama. To cut to the point, people, Susan made a comment which I found hostile, which was pretty clearly directed against Kip (being on his user page), and which he took exception to. There are certain standards of behaviour, both in the rules here and in the "common law" of netiquette. Also, in my personal opinion, these rules should especially protect newbies - long-time users are probably used to the tone here, but new users are easy to scare away. For that reason, I found it appropriate to impose a 9-hour block which was short enough to be just a bit of a nuisance, but long enough to not be entirely symbolical. Maybe that was poor judgement on my part, but all I can do here is to enforce the rules as I interpret them.

I could hardly foresee that Susan would overreact by quitting entirely, but that would not make me change my decision - I don't think anybody should be above having to follow the rules. Moreover, I strongly reject the idea that being an asset - which I fully agree Susan is - should exempt you either. If anything, that should mean being held to higher standards.

Anyway, ask youselves this: If Susan had not quit, whould there even be a problem here? If not, should drama of all things exempt you from following the rules? -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 05:14, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * AK, you blocked Susan for nine frickin hours, for a comment she made to some fly-by-night visitor. And you think she over reacted?  How exactly did you determine 1) that she should be blocked, and 2) for how long? PS, you have email. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  05:29, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * To be fair to her, it was not on Kip's User page, it was on a Debate Page by him, and probably also meant as fun, as you can expect from, and towards, the Uncyclopedians coming over here. Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 05:17, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Having read (I think) all Mr Kip's comments about his leaving he doesn't seem to regard it as his primary reason. In fact, he give his reason for leaving as "Not being clever enough". I also note that he found the whole tone of the site a bit too atheistic for him. He only made a small reference to Susan's post some time after AKjeldsen explicitly asked him about it. Holding Susan primarily responsible for his departure would seem, to me, to be excessive. I'm also not sure which community standard, if any, Susan is supposed to have broken even if she were responsible for Mr Kip's departure.--Bobbing up 05:40, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * I think his debate page, where Susan posted first, then me, was what started Kip's decision. There was a fun part, at least by me, and I guess by Susan, and may be a bit of disappointment with these newbies from that other wiki, who come here and start using it as their own house (which RW is, but you should first see how it works). Then Kip overreacted. Then I overreacted, and Genghis overreacted. Then AKJeldsen overreacted. Then Susan overreacted. Then Human overreacted. Should we just call it quit? Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 05:50, 18 February 2008 (EST)

AK: Quoting you and commenting:

"More drama.": That you created.

"To cut to the point, people, Susan made a comment which I found hostile" It wasn't directed at you.

"which was pretty clearly directed against Kip (being on his user page)" Wrong, see above. You did not even get your facts right.

"There are certain standards of behaviour, both in the rules here and in the "common law" of netiquette." We don't have "rules", we have guidelines.

"Also, in my personal opinion, these rules should especially protect newbies - long-time users are probably used to the tone here, but new users are easy to scare away." This Kip the Dip was barely here, obviously following some buddies from other wikis, and simply had already decided that RW was not for him.

"For that reason, I found it appropriate to impose a 9-hour block which was short enough to be just a bit of a nuisance, but long enough to not be entirely symbolical. Maybe that was poor judgement on my part," Yup, really poor judgement. A nine hour block? Based on what, exactly? Your being offended by talk between two other editors?

"but all I can do here is to enforce the rules as I interpret them." We don't need no stinkin' "enforcers". Susan broke no rule I know of. You, however, have ignored the internal nature of RW's society and the nature of how we know each other and get along. To me, that is 100 times worse than losing some Kip the Dip who doesn't even want to be here anyway. Mr. Kjeldsen, I am disappointed in you. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  05:37, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm disappointed that you're disappointed in me, Human. :-( Obviously, this has uncovered some considerable differences of philosophy regarding the role of a sysop. Anyway, I'll just point out that the user said himself that the comment in question was part of the reason behind his decision to leave. But you didn't comment on the last part of my comment: Is this really a community that bases what few rules guidelines we have on respect of persons? -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 05:52, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * AK, you make some valid points but that is all the more reason that you should have taken any reservations you have about the action of a sysop to discussion. It is poor netiquette to punish your peers. Try doing that on Wikipedia and see how far that would get you. It is actually common courtesy to request an explanation and permit time for a reply, then allow a group of peers to adjudicate.
 * RA I'm sorry if you find my comment cold. There have been a lot of editors who came here, did some stuff and moved on. We can't weep over all these sparrows who are lost to us. Wikis are like that, the wiki continues even though the body of editors change, it's not like we are consigning them to starvation or a life in poverty. You are also twisting my words, I did not say Susan was invaluable I said that her loss would be much greater. There is no double standard just a recognition of worth. No one editor is paramount but Susan has done a lot of exceptional work here. I think most editors recognize that she has been more than just another editor, particularly one who just drifts in, decides maybe its not their scene and relly just want's to go back to another wiki after all. As for wanting discussion KtD pretty swiftly withdrew from engaging in discussion.  I have no qualms with religious people here but this is a rational wiki and those with a religious inclination should be arguing their case from a rational viewpoint. It can be done but I sincerely doubt that basing arguments on biblical inerrancy will achieve much. We may like to have lots of new editors here, but we cannot expect to unreservedly accommodate every point of view, that's why white-supremacist, jew-bashing, homophobes get short shrift here.  Before some idiot tries to twist my words, let me point out that I am not lumping anyone here in that category, just pointing out that we already have some limits.  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 05:51, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I missed pretty much all of this, but holy crap. I don't block vandals for 9 hours! --Kels 13:14, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Quitting?
Tell us it's not so! Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 04:17, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * See above, and ask yourself if AK acted in good faith regarding the purposes of this wiki. I will gladly, under the circumstances, entertain a discussion regarding de-sysoping AK (briefly - like a day or two) if people deem it appropriate (where, I don't know - a new sub page of my copious user space?). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  04:44, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * The appropriate Star Chamber would be RationalWiki:Administrative Abuse.--Bobbing up 04:55, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ah yes, Of course.  I wish that before AK acted he had chatted.  I think he at least owes Susan an apology, and prehaps even a trans-channel delivery of flowers or chocolates. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  05:14, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Remember: we're supposed to be the sensible ones :) I suggest Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate. Kirkburn 08:49, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Speaking of Cadbury's, for a while now I have been thinking of trying to get one of our British editors to send me a box of the "real thing". Hershey's makes so-called "Cadbury's" chocolate here in the US, and it tastes like Three Mile Island, like most of Hershey's crap. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  16:05, 18 February 2008 (EST)

IP's Rant
Regal Rant ( Genghis'll get the allusion) My comment on the Debate page referred to the fact that the editor had arrived from Uncyclopedia, apparently following or at the invitation of friends, with the intention of continuing infantile discussions which had begun on that site (Family Guy!). At no time had the editor's religious inclination been mentioned, if it had I might have held back for fear of being castigated for picking on him for his beliefs. I believe that it was after AKj had learned of his intention of becoming a pastor (whatever that is - I'm afraid I neither know nor care) that he asked the leading question "was it anything to do with  this ", this being my comment. The next thing I knew was that he had blocked me for 9 hours. When I commented on his being a "godbotherer" he later accuses me of bringing religion into it! I might have been out of order in my comment but I think that there is a childish element among some of the younger editors (aided and abetted by some of the older ones) that waste time and detract from the purpose of the wiki. Occasionally (no I can't give examples!) Recent changes is full from bottom to top with inanities. It is no wonder that we're not taken seriously by some casual visitors. AKj's attitude seems to be that his vast learning entitles him to decide the rights and wrongs of a situation without consultation - star chamber anyone? A couple of weeks ago AKj was, I thought, rather rude to a new editor, I apologised for him, in an understanding manner in a conversation (sorry it's partly in German!) on my talk page  (a rough translation of my comment is: " Here we are all friendly but Akj is a little like a schoolteacher, he is very clever and knows very much, but he thinks that others know nothing") - some such would have been appropriate in this case. User:SusanG12:56, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Good that you want an armistice. And good that you are back :-) . The scapegoat of all this should be the young Uncyclopedian (he brought religion into this, not you or AKjeldsen), but what did he do? He just followed his colleagues, but was surprised by the "hostile" (was it?) welcome. AKjeldsen took his defense, also after "atheist" attacks from GK and others, and sure knew you could unblock yourself (couldn't you?). Who hasn't been blocked here before (EVEN I have been blocked once UPDATE:twice)? Frankly, he overreacted, you overreacted, everyone else overreacted. People, block me for a change if you feel like that. And let's direct our efforts against our common enemy. Editor at RWwas rooting for HD DVD 13:22, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ed, comiserations about the HD-DVD thingy. Let me reiterate that I was not making an atheist attack on Kip. I have no quibbles with people of faith, my concern is about how they use that faith to control others. I could go on at length but don't want to soil someone elses talk page. At the moment, I am just glad to have Queen Susan back. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 13:52, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hasn't she been promoted to Empress yet? --Kels 15:52, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nah, that position is traditionally a posthumous honor. She doesn't get to be Empress Susan until after she loses her sense of humour. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  16:04, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * And when will she GET this sense of humour? 204.187.154.49 16:27, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Can she at least use the royal "we" from now on? -- 16:11, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Only if she has a tapeworm. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  16:14, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ew. I wouldn't know.  But statistically, she has about nine million microbes in eyebrows alone.  Does that count?  -- 16:27, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * First of all, Susan, it's good to see that you haven't left after all. I'll follow up on your candid Regal Rant with a more plebeian one of my own. (Hope this won't make you quit again ;-) ). Anyway, there are so many issues involved here, I barely know where to start, but the fundamental question seems to be one of management philosophy, so let's begin there.
 * Firstly, above, Human was kind enough to remind me that we have no rules here. He thinks that's a good thing. I strongly disagree. I think this is a bad thing. It is a very, very bad thing, because it leads to exactly this sort of situation: One sysop sees something he thinks should be acted upon, and does so to the best of his ability, experience and interpretation of the few guidelines that we do have. This interpretation turns out to be contrary to what a bunch of other people think, and the whole thing breaks down into a shouting match. Result: Nobody is better off.
 * Now, on other sites where I've been involved in moderating, a block of some hours' time have basically been a slap on the wrist, especially if it's against a sysop who can basically unblock themselves whenever they feel like it. Here, it's apparently considered a serious punishment. That's perfectly fine, but then let's have RationalWiki:Blocking policy reflect that fact!
 * Also, the gist of the discussion above seems to be that long-standing editors shpould be granted greater leeway in their behaviour than newbies, while the latter are not given any particular protection. Again, that's practically the opposite of the policies I'm used to from elsewhere, but no matter - if that's the concensus here, then again: Let's put that in RationalWiki:Community Standards. As far as I'm concerned, anything would be preferable to the current situation where we have some semi-vague rules "guidelines" combined with a whole bunch of unwritten rules which apparently can get a sysop lynched if he dares to displease the opinion of the mob. And frankly, I honestly think it is a little bit unfair to shout at me for violating some rules which do not even exist. But enough about that - any further discussion on this subject should probably be taken to RationalWiki talk:Community Standards.


 * Secondly, since my personality has been tuned into an issue here... Let me say that I more than anyone realize that my behaviour and attitude are frequently far from than ideal, but honestly speaking, Susan, there is a certain number of black pots and kettles involved here. I know few people who behave as openly degrading towards people who deviate from their own world-view as you do, and as someone who has been on the receiving end of that more than a few times, let me tell you it is bloody unpleasant - I've seriously considered leaving permanently several times after reading through something like that. So what do you say about if we make a pact to both try to work on our manners and our openness? I suspect our mutual efforts would considerably improve this place on that account.


 * Finally, thirdly - a few people seem to have gotten the idea that this whole blocking thing has something to do with the fact that both I and, for all any of us know, KtD are Christians, and that Susan is definitely not. I had to take a moment to wrap my head around that one.




 * WTF, people?! Are you seriously suggesting that I have based my decisions as a sysop on who is or is not religious? If so, I inform you that you are now officially too far removed from reality. Seriously, sometimes it seems as if everything in this effing place has to be turned into a question of religion, no matter what. I had really expected much better


 * However, this particular little aspect of the matter seems to be an indication of a different and more general problem with RW which I am going to address here soon, because I don't want to clutter up Susan's talk page more than necessary. Thank you for your attention. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 16:29, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * I agree with some of your points AK. There are no proper conflict resolution procedures here. I argued for them after TK was blocked but Trent wanted to carry on in the same vague way. It's a pity that he's not around to join in these discussions. I won't address all your points here as you will probably open a more appropriate forum elsewhere. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 17:05, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I got Broadband
Says it all! Susan Purrrrr  10:21, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Woo hoo, congrats! Do you also now have a full size screen and keyboard to go with it? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  13:21, 20 February 2008 (EST)

2 x 20" screens & keyboard & mouse! Heaven!!!!!! (& tabs) Susan  Purrrrr  13:29, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Gotta get speakers, web cam, got to work out how to upload piccies too. AND I gotta see if my Linux machine will work with it - otherwise I'll still be on my PDA in bed! Susan Purrrrr  13:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)

I got Broadband
Says it all! Susan Purrrrr  10:21, 20 February 2008 (EST) (but it's not the same) It's a bit iffy! Susan Purrrrr  10:21, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh dear. You're already making 50%+ of the wikis edits from the PDA, now you'll be unstoppable! --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Heh! Gotta learn my way around 1st. Susan Purrrrr  10:26, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Can we now expect steaming streaming webcam feeds? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 11:10, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I gotta find my way around first - recommend good free virus protection (got firefox)?
 * Are you running wifi, ethernet or both? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis
 * Marauding 11:16, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * neither! hee hee! 3 (phone co) wireless 3G Susan  Purrrrr  11:19, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ah you're capped, obviously not a big mp3 or pron user then. I'm not hot on security for 3G (I was going to check your hardware firewall and wifi security settings). For anti-virus try AVG-Free.  You'll need a decent software firewall, something other than Windows own so try ZoneAlarm. Check your ports with Shields Up! do this before and after you install your firewall so you can see if there's any difference. Spyware products vary and can give a lot of false positives (many harmless cookies) as well as missing some stuff, the consensus is to run several different ones. I'll dig out some names for you later.  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 12:08, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Of course, you could just use OSX - the Athiest's operating system. We don't believe in virii. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:50, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Are you certain about recommending ZoneAlarm, Genghis? My dad got it, and whereas most firewalls only tell you about major problems, ZoneAlarm practically spams you with annoying pop-up windows for every little thing that happens.  He got so annoyed by it he went back to Norton.  -- 12:53, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Before Genghis comes with his spyware list, mine are Spybot and Adaware - I stay away from the Windows one instead. Editor at RWSchumi on Ducati? 12:58, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, and yes, I am with Genghis regarding antivirus, AVG is free, good, and not annoying. Editor at RWSchumi on Ducati? 13:00, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * You can configure Zone Alarm to be quiet or verbose. Personally I like to know what is requesting access out of my machine but don't need to know about every foiled inbound attack.  Also I wasn't aware of a free Norton version. DP I wouldn't be too smug about OSX, there are fewer viruses out there but that is only because Windows has the biggest market share and the black hats play the percentages. Any major increase in market share will encourage the virus writers to target Apple products. Anyway I don't believe that viruses pose the same threats that they used to. It has become much more difficult. The hackers now concentrate on phishing and Trojans as the weakest link in any computer security system is normally the bit that moves the mouse and presses the keys. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 13:15, 20 February 2008 (EST)


 * DP, if you think OSX is the Atheist's operating system then I am forced to concede that atheism is definitely a religion. Apple users are sterotypical cultists! ;) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 13:18, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * My boss considers Apple to be the only religion he adheres to (seriously). Macs are the standard at work, and I have to admit I like them.  Does that make me a Kool-Aid drinker?--Bayesyikes 14:24, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Just adding a vote for AVG anti-virus, Spybot, Ad-Aware - and suggesting the addition of SpywareBlaster to top it off. All free and efective. I use these on the PC at work, but use a viral-free Mac at home. PoorEd 15:08, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Windows=The Catholic Church. OSX = Atheism YEC, Dawkins style.

Oh God no, I'm not sure I needed to start this? This could be baaad. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  16:50, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Linux = TRUTH!. Susan Purrrrr  16:56, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Linux=Ron Paul. OSX=Dennis Kucinich. Vista=Mitt Romney. WebOS=Mike Gravel. XP=John McCain. (BeOS=Mike Dukakis?)  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  22:21, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * What OS would George McGovern use? -- 23:44, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * DR-DOS, of course. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  00:20, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Strange
I'm logged in here (on broadband) see below Susan  Purrrrr  13:06, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Peculiar
and here (on my pda) both as SusanG Susan Purrrrr  13:05, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Should I be able to do that? Susan Purrrrr  13:07, 20 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yes Susan you can be logged on from multiple computers at the same time. I do it all the time.  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 13:15, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's also how I can log into a just-banned "My password is" account and change the password while the user is still probably logged in. -- 13:39, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, I had wondered why that was so easy. How about logging into multiple accounts on one machine?  I'm sure you know if that works by now... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  13:43, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * At least if you are using both Firefox and IE. Editor at RWSchumi on Ducati? 13:45, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Is that how you do multiple simultaneous sockpuppets on Conservapedia? 'Cause I had always wondered how do that without constantly logging in-logging out—a sure giveaway of something fishy.  -- 13:59, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well you can also do that with web-based proxies, but CP has got most of the popular ones blocked now. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 15:43, 20 February 2008 (EST)


 * Human it used to be that I kept being logged out by RW all the time. Then for a long time I could be logged in for days without a problem. Now for the last couple of days I keep getting logged out again. Just what did Linus change? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 15:47, 20 February 2008 (EST)

(undent) Someone else had a similar comment somewhere earlier today Susan  Purrrrr  16:12, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I dunno - my only explanation would be checking off or not checking off the "remember me" thing when logging in. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  17:00, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I think that was me, Susan. And Human, I don't think the "remember me" button has anything to do with getting spontaneously booted off one's own account.  -- 18:38, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * This was a problem I encountered in beta and never discovered the solution too....*sigh* this and several other reasons are why I did not want to update the wiki software....24.36.229.24 18:45, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Too late! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  18:51, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yep. 24.36.229.24 18:55, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Is the "upgrade" the reason for the 50% incredibly low loading I am seeing today? Or is it something else? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:16, 20 February 2008 (EST)

layout
now that you can finally see your user page "full screen", you might note that it lays out a bit funny (your sat. pix don't play well with the userboxes). I'd suggest using that image display thing from cat for them? Or putting them on the left? Not that any of this really "matters". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Working on it as you typed! :) D'you like my Pr0n pussy cat (Ubx #2)? Susan  Purrrrr  15:12, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, that's funny... what's with the duelling rants? (you & AKjeldsen)? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:18, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * I started it: supposed to be funny, I think AKj responded in the same vein. BTW, have you seen the buttons @ the top of a WP edit page? Tables & all sorts.  Susan  Purrrrr  15:24, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Now you find out what you've been missing for so long! [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 15:29, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * H: just put the maps in the Ubxtop/Bottom; how's that!? Susan  Purrrrr  15:31, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * G: Surprisingly somethings are possibly better on the PDA: all the tabs & buttons are @ the bottom - no need to scroll up to find the edit tab, there's other things too. ( & I prefer the Pocket IRC to Chatzilla! Susan  Purrrrr  15:34, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, I've seen those buttons many times. Always wondered what wee needed to get them (one is redirect, very handy).  Asked Trent about in like May'07, but got no joy.  Susan, you may also want to experiment with your prefs now you have a new in the fit snugly? ~terface.  Re: layout - the images are now "in" your userbox thing, you might want to make them smaller so<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human 
 * Genghis sorted it for me (thanx G) The button I'd like is the table one. Susan  Purrrrr  15:55, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Something is still not quite right Susan, on vanilla IE and Firefox the box displays as expected but on my two versions of Maxthon (which uses the IE layout engine) half the boxes are missing (they are displayed on the right hand side and are hidden by the box border. Very strange.  However, I guess most people use IE or FF so I wouldn't worry too much as long as it looks OK for you.  :) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 16:02, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Looks OK -> me on Firefox & IE so if people want to use some weird thing it's up to them. (uncaring beetch that I am!) Susan  Purrrrr  16:14, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thats just what I thought you'd say. ;) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 16:18, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Looks good to me on old mozilla. Nice job, Gengkhis, I only got close so I didn't save my results. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:22, 21 February 2008 (EST)

But what matters
Is that many of our templates seem a bit kludged and even half-broken - look what happens when you edit a page with userboxtop/bottom on it - weirdness! (at least, I get lots of white space). Also, in some cases, when you hit save or preview, you have to hit it again to get results. I suspect unclosed tags, but who knows. Let's get that completely fixed by the end of the weekend? Somehow? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:22, 21 February 2008 (EST)

PDA strikes back
My PDA won't access t'web now at all. - It's sulking. Susan Purrrrr  16:16, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Re-acronym "PDA" and feed it to the cat, with a shot of gin. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  20:24, 21 February 2008 (EST)

What's with the sexsay ladiez?
you left some cheesecake picture on my user page thus rendering it questionable for viewing at my job of work. Thanks (I guess), but what gives? Plus these girls look like teens. Could you post pics of their (hot soccer) moms instead or at least the older sisters? Think 30-40 NOT 13 or 14 Exasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! I said what? 08:49, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Twas intended to satiate your prurience I'll try to up the age in futue (although I don't think it was a bad google given the time it took) Susan  Purrrrr  09:25, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * After review of the pic, most deff. Jailbait. 12:50, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Haah ... ah'm Chrahs Hahnson, frahm Datelahn NBC. Whah dahn't you take a seat? --Chris Hanson

Disadvantages of being on broadband and on my desktop machine


Susan Purrrrr  11:42, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * 1) I'm supposed to be working but ratwiki's always there.
 * 2) I'm supposed to be working but conswervapaedia's always there.
 * 3) I'm supposed to be working but Flickr's always there.
 * 4) I'm supposed to be working but 4chan's always there.
 * Don't forget the eternally fascinating pursuit of hitting 'random page' on wikipedia, and reading up on old drama. The debate over the images in the Muhammad articles a favourite of mine ... --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * Please don't give me any more ideas! I'm wasting enuff time as it is! Susan  Purrrrr  12:02, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * How d'you like this? Susan  Purrrrr  12:05, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * I lol'd at the 'photoshopped to add sun rays' part. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

I know the feeling, but deviantART, Fur Affinity, RW, CP, Canadian Cynic and a thousand French art blogs insist in existing all the damn time! As do a directory full of top quality new Anime Music Videos and three new volumes of Claymore manga. What'sa girl to do? --Kels 12:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * AND I'm just finding my feet - what's it gonna be like when I've goooooogled some more? Susan  Purrrrr  12:26, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Just to lower general productivity even more: TV Tropes --Sid 12:38, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Don't forget Youtube and pandora. 12:43, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Eh, I just use youtube as a music box, and have it in the background. TV Tropes wiki, on the other hand ... damn. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום


 * 1) I'm supposed to be working but 4chan's always there.

Et tu, Susan? Uchiha KATON! 13:12, 24 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yup, 1ce a day but it's a bit ... aah... how shall I put it? ... vile? Susan  Purrrrr  13:18, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Know thine enemy, or secret Anon.? --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * ...and you're just as bad!! I've seen those images you upload... Uchiha KATON! 13:29, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Pandora: Dear Pandora Visitor,
 * We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.
 * Susan Purrrrr  13:24, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Was it really necessary to block me?
I'm not mad at you, it's not like it makes much difference to me, but why would you block me for being "inconsiderate" when I was only responding to Hoji, who was a wee bit more than inconsiderate himself? JazzMan 18:52, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry, (no I'm not!) but he told the truth, admittedly a little intemperately, whereas you made unwarranted accusations as to his maturity (which I would estimate at twice that of anyone's on CP) Susan Purrrrr  18:57, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Apologies, Hoji - I should have said 4 times. Susan  Purrrrr  19:00, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * I appreciate it, Susan. -- Hoji die! 19:02, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * So you blocked me for being mean to Hoji on another site?? Or are you saying I'm a scumbag for blocking a vandal? JazzMan 19:05, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Shhhhhhh. Don't tell them they are hypocrites. They don't like that. Lurker 19:06, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * The argument was brought here (by Hoji) & you continued it here. Therefore the actions on cp were relevant. (Oh & piss off Lurker. Now that's mature - @ the cp level) Susan  Purrrrr  19:09, 24 February 2008 (EST)

NightFlareSpeak, mortal 19:12, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thank you NightFlare. Susan, that line of logic makes no sense. JazzMan 19:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

By the way the site your looking for that has the policy of not blocking/responding to users based on what they do on other sites is down the hall (now that is hypocrisy). 19:13, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Too late NightFlare it got to the bottom when a cp-ite opened his ugly fascist mouth here. Susan  Purrrrr  19:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * WTF? What have I ever done that's the slightest bit fascist? You'd better check your hatred before it consumes your entire life, Susan. JazzMan 19:17, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Fascist? being a member of CP! nuff said Now get off my talk page. Susan  Purrrrr  19:19, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Susan - you are pathetic and an embarassment. 69.158.120.64 19:22, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, it's been a while since we discussed how cp mirrors fascism, but now i'm thinking it's becoming more like a cult.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 19:26, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Can we stop the tit-for-tat retorts now? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 19:28, 24 February 2008 (EST)