Talk:Emily Willoughby/Archive1

Missionality?
While racialism is missional, this article seems to be focused almost entirely on Wikipedia drama at the moment. Does this person have any larger influence on the movement? Plutocow (talk) 18:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * They are a board member of International Society for Intelligence Research. There is a lengthy Twitter thread by a biologist criticising one of their papers. There are many more sources for page but I haven't got around to adding them yet. Willoughby is one of the few remaining proponents of race and intelligence on Wikipedia still active (others such as Emil Kirkegaard have been banned). I noticed there was an earlier RationalWiki page on Emily Willougby's ex-boyfriend Jonathan Kane but it ended up deleted. There is a webpage archive and I copied some minor info from it. There was no actual discussion about why it was deleted but from what I can tell it was deleted after Kane contacted an ex-mod (now banned) he knew named JudgeDredd (aka "D") and another user named "Ze" on a discord chat. Kane and the ex-mod are friends so he/she deleted it without any vote. Willoughby and Kane published an article together on Pandas Thumb. There are more sources for their co-authored anti-creationism book. Boar (talk) 20:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Jerry Coyne has so far published two blog posts on Willoughby:
 * https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/08/17/the-ignorant-and-misguided-demonization-of-a-behavior-geneticist/
 * https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/08/21/the-imminent-cancellation-of-emily-willoughby-a-fight-to-remove-her-from-wikipedia/ Boar (talk) 20:28, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Jerry Coyne might be good at debunking creationism (which isn't hard) but he has lost it in the last few years, he is now obsessed with being "anti-woke". I think he does that for clickbait. He likes to be a contrarian. He lets alt-righters leave comments on his blog but censors any opposing views. PZ Myers said Jerry Coyne is not a reliable source of information, I would agree on that. Johns (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep I agree. My mention of Coyne's blog on article was to rebut his misleading claims about a "woke mob" targeting Willoughby on Wikipedia. Boar (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I also agree. The Smiths (talk) 10:48, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Some excellent detective work
So Willoughby is Linda A. Ashtear, and Jonathan Kane (her ex-boyfriend), Shuichi Tezuka.

Note that Kane published a paper in the Journal of Controversial Ideas. Brisson (talk) 18:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * She is deleting her old tweets linking her to racists and eugenicists -
 * Yes, they are both highly deceptive. Also note Willoughby's last tweet was on 13 August if you view her account. On 24 August she had 2,968 Tweets. As of today (4 September) she has 2,960 Tweets (she deleted 8 in the past week). It appears she has been deleting pro-eugenics/racialist stuff she wrote as well as her links to Emil Kirkegaard. Boar (talk) 03:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There is some stuff you can add about her connections to Hbdchick and Noah Carl. Brisson (talk) 23:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

May I ask what's the point of the porn comments
May I ask what the point of mentioning porn in the article. I just don't see the relevancy here. Like aren't you leftwingers supposed to be less moralistic than the religious right. If you want to criticize her alleged "Psuedoscience" that's fine, even if most of the people here do not understand Genetics. what's the relevancy here except as a superficial character attack? &mdash; Unsigned, by: 50.86.22.98 / talk
 * IrrationalWiki destroyed yet again by the true rationalists. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 15:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Drink Anna Livia (talk) 20:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's nice to see that instead of substantively address my question you respond with a snarky barb. Again I ask what's the relevency? It's like when that guy tried to add the Andy Six's Log meme to the Tarl Warwick page as some sort of sin before it was removed by a more intelligent user. It's superfluous. Just because you have a moronic FUN page dismissing your critics "I thought this was RATIONALwiki" doesn't mean you shouldn't have some basic explanation.50.86.22.98 (talk) 16:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I like that funpage, it is pretty funny. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 16:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So again you have no argument against removing the porn mention? &mdash; Unsigned, by: 50.86.22.98 / talk
 * There is no teacher on Earth qualified to
 * teach Nature's Harmonic Simultaneous 4-
 * Day Rotating Time Cube Creation Principle,
 * and therefore, there is no teacher on Earth
 * worthy of being called a certified teacher. (Gene Ray, Timecube). Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What is your connection to Willoughby? Seems unlikely you are a random person who stumbled across the page. Brisson (talk) 19:36, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's just a troll, check out their contribs and block log (they were blocked multiple times, included once for calling User:GrammarCommie a rape apologist). What they want to delete is "Emil O. W. Kirkegaard, eugenicist who holds abhorrent views on child pornography". You are better off not wasting your time with them. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Right 'WP Vore' link please, (I presume 'dead dove do not eat') Anna Livia (talk) 20:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you morons talking about, who the fuck is Kirkegaard I'm clearly referring to the Vore stuff. Like I don't see the relevancy. especially for people in the LGBT community to judge people on what they jack off too. Again if you read the original post on this section Ana, you twat. I'm asking what the relevancy is. Rabbitseatcarrot you are a fucking retard, especially for someone who considers themselves an LGBT ally I would think you'd have the intellegence not to judge someone based on what they get off to.2600:1702:2A00:B3F0:8CAA:3B9C:3090:8388 (talk) 22:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * How about you get lost? Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 22:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Vore association problematic
(worst person has made a point moment) I really don't think we need side comments of whatever kink Willoughby is in to. It's like saying "john smith is a genocide apologist. also he is into feet and gay pizza imagery." 01:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 01:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You should delete the entire article. It seems the same person who was involved deleting her Wikipedia article created this RationalWiki page. The RW article showed a few days after her Wikipedia page was deleted in August 2022. I don't see what relevence Emily has to this wiki.134.209.182.82 (talk) 01:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No. You need a more comprehensive explanation than that. Especially more than a mere link to a blog post with zero evidence and has commenters lamenting about the "woke"™. Even if you aren't the Styx fanboy from the conversation above. 18:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it adds something of value to the article if and only if the kink in question is highlighted in the presence of fascist hypocrisy to what they deem as "degeneracy". Humor in the ironic and all that. But besides that it only ends up really kink shaming people who have no association with the fascist politics. I would be lying though if I didn't say I find the idea of a Nazi really into dinosaur vore deeply funny. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed but I don't think there's enough solid evidence she's denouncing "degeneracy" and even if she was, it's like a internalized hatred sort I guess, kind of like the problematic aspects of Haggard's Law. 18:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Which tbh with respects to Haggard's law I am not too found of it as it is typically used as an excuse to put the onus of homophobia on gay people themselves (something I respect you are hinting at by pointing out it's problematic nature). If there is no real value in highlighting any explicit hypocrisy here in regards to  Willoughby then it is best to be removed.  The important thing that users of this site should know is that she is a neo-Nazi who pushes intelligence-woo. That's the most missionally relevant aspects of her character.  - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 18:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, I think the most virulently homophobic people are heterosexual people. 19:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Please stop smearing my girlfriend
RationalWiki is run by mentally ill people. The Jonathan Kane (talk) 18:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, this made me laugh, thank you. 18:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This is unlikely to be the real Jonathan Kane but a troll/impersonator. above also looks like a spoof/impersonation and many others on history of this talk. I also find the  account very suspicious. Are we sure these are not all the same troll? Most these accounts were created within minutes of each other and only left comments on this article. CBH was inactive for a year until logging back on a week ago to vandalise another article (they were reverted) now show up here.Griffina (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have been harassed in the past by Jonathan Kane but I think those accounts might be Mikemikev. I had to block him about an hour a go on Twitter. Just to confirm I am not Jonathan Kane, I was on friendly terms with him and Willoughby ten years ago but distanced myself from them after their racism became obvious. Antrodemus (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)