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The Unlicensed Thinker is a Troll
I strongly believe that UnlicensedThinker should be at least de-sysopped, and possibly banned. Warrants: Mr. Thinker has willingly misinterpreted data in arguments to further Islamophobia. Example:""I should note both that Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims of any country, and has a low birth defect rate." @Bongolian That's interesting. Do you have sources? I checked Pew Research Center and Indonesia is 87% of Muslim, so it's not true that is has the highest population of Muslims of any country. Thinker(unlicensed) 21:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)" (From https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay_talk:Consanguinity_in_the_Muslim_World) (Obviously, Bongolian was talking about absolute numbers, not percentages). Mr Thinker wrote a screed so bad it had to be moved to essay space (The one above). Mr Thinker has started several extremely controversial, to say the least, sup-posts in the Saloon Bar. Examples: https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=prev&oldid=2062623 https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=prev&oldid=2064311 He also started this, which is transphobic victim-blaming, to say the least.https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=prev&oldid=2020742 In fact, it seems most of Thinker's edits are "Look at me!" attempts to inflame feelings in the Saloon Bar. In addition, Thinker proposed deleting the collapse templates, therefore increasing this site's vulnerability to trolls. https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki_talk:All_things_in_moderation&diff=prev&oldid=2036461 He also decided to attempt to start an argument over Maga hats: https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=prev&oldid=2035195 He has denied that Jordan Peterson is far right, even though Peterson unquestionably is, going so far as to go vandalize the page on him to remove that bit of information. https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Jordan_Peterson&diff=prev&oldid=2036784 Thinker whined about Nathan Phillips, presumably to make anti-racism activists look bad. https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=prev&oldid=2036450 In addition, Thinker is generally abrasive under criticism. He switches topics, cites unreliable sources, etc. Due to all of this, I believe Thinker is a troll, and requires consequences. Sincerely,Summa Atheologica (talk) 19:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Being wrong, being st👀pid, or being a troll are not grounds for demopping. These attributes can however engender activities that warrant demopping or banning. At this point, it hasn't risen to that level. Also, Summa Atheologica, try reading about wiki formatting. Bongolian (talk) 19:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "Mr. Thinker has willingly misinterpreted data in arguments to further Islamophobia.
 * Example:""I should note both that Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims of any country, and has a low birth defect rate." @Bongolian That's interesting. Do you have sources? I checked Pew Research Center and Indonesia is 87% of Muslim, so it's not true that is has the highest population of Muslims of any country. Thinker(unlicensed) 21:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)" (Obviously, Bongolian was talking about absolute numbers, not percentages).""
 * Really? Asking for sources and pointing out to a percentage is "furthering Islamophobia"? By the way, I actually made a mistake about Indonesia (I incorrectly referred to a 2050 projection of the population instead of the 2010 data) and I corrected myself before anyone else. So saying that I was willingly misinterpreting data is just preposterous.
 * "Mr Thinker wrote a screed so bad it had to be moved to essay space (The one above) ... Mr Thinker has started several extremely controversial, to say the least, sup-posts in the Saloon Bar. ... In addition, Thinker is generally abrasive under criticism."
 * In other words: "I don't like Mr Thinker"
 * "He switches topics, cites unreliable sources"
 * Unreliable sources? Gimme examples. Thinker(unlicensed) 20:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * UT isn't a troll he hasn't vandalized any pages. At most he is guilty of some Just asking questions. But that is not an a reason to desyop or ban. Just ignore him if your don't like what he's saying. Commie Lib (talk) 20:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Saying that UT has just been JAQing off is not a way to convince anyone that he's not a troll. JAQ is a method used by concern trolls after all. Bongolian (talk) 00:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Mr thinker, "Just asking questions" to damage a position means you disagree with it. If the position is anti-Islamophobia, that means you are promoting Islamophobia. As for your "don't like Mr Thinker" claim, that is yet another example of you switching topics. I described how you are using the Saloon Bar as a personal lectern from which to inflame public opinion. For example, after the mods introduced a new template to warn others about your concern trolling, you responded with thisYou claim that I just don't like you. You then ignore what I'm saying. Summa Atheologica (talk) 21:45, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Certainly there is no shortage of examples where UT has been really irritating and failed somehow to understand why people are complaining. I am not convinced it's banworthy, but UT should really try to understand that people don't like him for a reason. 23:45, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * In what way has Thinker misused his ops? -- MtD Bogan   01:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * He hasn't. This is more of a talk page conduct thing. 09:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "Dear Mr thinker"
 * Come on, you can call me Thinker at this point...
 * ""Just asking questions" to damage a position means you disagree with it. If the position is anti-Islamophobia, that means you are promoting Islamophobia."
 * Don't you notice that you are making zero factual assertions? When did I "ask questions" on (anti-)Islamophobia? Assuming I did, how could you prove that my intent was to damage a certain position?
 * "You claim that I just don't like you. You then ignore what I'm saying."
 * Says who completely ignored my reply about Indonesia, and my demand for evidences that I used unreliable sources, as you claimed. Thinker(unlicensed) 09:32, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Can we close this now? No action is going to be taken against Unlicensed Thinker at this time. And much as I hate to say it, no action should be taken against Unlicensed Thinker at this time. Spud (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * My two cents. UT is irritating and at times moronic, but not to the point of being banworthy. 12:47, 26 April 2019 (UTC)