Talk:Uighur genocide/Archive1

Kinda funny
I know it's still just a draft, but it's kinda funny that there's so much effort put into the "how to shut down counter-arguments" section, and absolutely none on the evidence section. Sound evidence really should always be the first line of defense against conspiracy theories, and pointing out fallacies or hypocrisy in counter-arguments is really a secondary thing. Especially when the fallacies in question are of the "potentially reasonable inference all other things being equal" sort, like say the american media superstructure fairly consistently getting hyped up to back negative stories about America's enemies without verifying them.

All that being said, you could talk about how the lack of media freedom in China makes verifying these kinds of stories harder, and the absence of strong evidence should not be understood to be evidence of absence with that backdrop. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's already better on that front, and I look like a fool. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps mentioning the Dzungar genocide might be topical? Just to show there is a historical precedent for Chinese ethic cleansing in this region. It could be in a "background" section.-Flandres (talk) 17:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It could be mentioned in brief, but I'm not exactly sure what precedents it would show. IIRC the Dzungar genocide was perpetrated by the Qing Dynasty, which was about as much of a "Chinese ethnic cleansing" as the Auschwitz was Polish.Advicedoge (talk) 03:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Why are there THREE FUCKING NAVBARS. 17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for that. I got carried away because I got fed up with the stupid "Adrian Zenz is far-right" talking point. I will add more evidence later. Thanks for that. --Noobmaster420 (talk) 05:23, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Help with references
I'm not that good at citing stuff, so can an experienced member help. Thanks. --Noobmaster420 (talk) 05:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If it is not a popular subject, start by making a list of reliable sources that report on it. Citations must include the authors' name, the date the article was published, and which site was it published in. If you are citing a study, you should directly copy its citation and link so. 14:24, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Title
I would say it's better not using capital letters throughout. Judge Dredd (talk) 10:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I don't know how to change the name. Can you help? --Noobmaster420 (talk) 13:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. — Oxyaena Harass  16:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Noobmaster420 (talk) 00:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

New to do list
I have compiled a lot of evidence for human rights abuses. However, I still see some Reddit and Twitter threads that need debunking. Can anyone help? --Noobmaster420 (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Mainspace
This is still under construction, but I feel that it's ready for mainspace as a WIP. Anyone disagree? CoryUsar (talk) 14:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Feel free to move it whenever you want. 16:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I don't know how to do it. Secondly, I think we need to expand more. Here are sources to get started. https://xinjiang.sppga.ubc.ca/ https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/ --Noobmaster420 (talk) 10:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Rename?
So... Maybe this should be renamed "Uyghur Genocide"? I mean, the camps are the primary means and focus and yadda yadda, but it's pretty clear it's a genocide...CoryUsar (talk) 19:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Given that more countries still support China's policies internationally than condemn China, this article should take a more neutral stance. Even if you consider countries that support China who are involved in the Belt and Road as untrustworthy, the same logic makes the claims of countries that are the traditional allies of the US also untrustworthy as they have political reason to oppose China.


 * the US State Department lawyers have admitted there's lack of sufficient evidence to prove "genocide" took place in China (Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/). This article should be renamed to something either something more indicative of the uncertainty of the situation or at the very least replace "genocide" with a more appropriate term. There has no evidence of mass killings or imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, minorities in China have always been subject to the two children, or three for rural families birth control policy, with birth control measures for people who have more. Dogestar (talk) 21:38, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Given that more countries still support China's policies internationally than condemn China this article should take a more neutral stance." No. You're wrong. 21:51, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Trying to figure out how to get the Mulan remake in there.
It's just so fractally screwed up:, which doesn't even get into the fact that China's self-consciously cleaned up revisionism was pioneered by Disney themselves. - Immigrant laborer (talk) 17:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would put it in the cover up of the article.--Noobmaster420 (talk) 12:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)