Conservapedia talk:Fascism

Surely the choice of logo for CP fits perfectly in the first item, eh? --Kels 13:20, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

How many categories can we apply this charming little rant by a thinly-veiled TK? Or does it not count if it's off-site? --Kels 21:49, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

I was under the impression that these 14 characteristics were first published by Umberto Eco under the title Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt. Did the professor attributed to this quote simply pare down Eco's content, change a few ways of expression and call it his own? Linked here

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 * I"m shocked and appalled to see one of the Conservapedia Faithful sinking to the vile Liberal depths of using Wikipedia. Is there some kind of cleansing ritual you have to do now to remove the Liberal Cooties before you can post again on Conservapedia?  :D --Gulik 13:08, 25 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Now, even I have to admit that this is funny. Heart  ♥  Gold tx 13:15, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

BUF
I'd be interested (for personal reasons) in finding out anything about membership records of the British Union of Fascists before and during WWII. A relative (now deceased) of mine was a member & was (I have a few documents) interned on the Isle of Man under 'section 18B'. Anyone know of a source - I've googled a bit but no real info on anyone but Mosley. Susan claw! ...  19:21, 3 January 2008 (EST)

from article
This article is not finished but I have high hopes. Please add quotes from CP sysops that fit the profile of fascism exactly.-Icewedge 03:15, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I moved this opening line from the article to here. human  21:41, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Purpose of article
This is a Conservapedia-related article in mainspace, & (in my opinion) not ideal as a serious article about the subject of fascism. Should it perhaps be moved to "Conservapedia:Fascism", and a more concise & comprehensive article on fascism (what it actually means, past & present) written here instead?  w easeLOId ~ 19:33, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * How about copying it to a CP: version, and then deleting the "on CP" subsections here? That would be a good start... oh, and "see also"ing them to each other.  ħ uman  22:28, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

US and Fascism section---
Seeing as the article is in the CP mainspace, this bit really doesn't fit...PFoster 22:42, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * True enough. If we had a bit more material like that, we might consider making a brand new Fascism for the mainspace. 22:45, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Is the fascism article still there? As I suggested, without the CP crap (for now)?  And yes, my saying "copy it" should have also said, delete "non-CP" stuff..  ħ uman  01:15, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Liberals are Fascists
Leftist are fascists, just ask Hitler and Mussolini. Mussolini referring to FDR as saying “America has a dictator.” FDR's personal letters reveal that he was impressed by what Mussolini was doing and said that he kept in close touch with that "admirable gentleman." Mussolini praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times, "Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation." And Mussolini went as far as also calling FDR a "social-fascist" in a GOOD way. This also attracted Hitler. Yup... you heard me correctly. The Nazi press enthusiastically hailed the early New Deal measures: America, like the Reich, had decisively broken with the "uninhibited frenzy of market speculation." The Nazi Party newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter, "stressed 'Roosevelt's adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies,' praising the president's style of leadership as being compatible with Hitler's own dictatorial Führerprinzip" (p. 190). Nor was Hitler himself lacking in praise for his American counterpart. He "told American ambassador William Dodd that he was 'in accord with the President in the view that the virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. These moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan "The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual"'" (pp. 19-20). A New Order in both countries had replaced an antiquated emphasis on rights. And on to Woodrow Wilson. Jonah Goldbergh and his book Liberal Fascism(you should atleast read it) points out that Woodrow Wilson was in essence the first fascist dictator(not absolutist sense) and president in the 20th century and this why. Aside from the fact that Benito Mussolini actually said he got some of his ideas from Woodrow Wilson this is what the progressive president did during his term did.

1: Given broad powers to completely control the U.S. Economy(making it a command economy during his term) 2: Given power to censor the press and nationalized the telephone companies and industry. 3:Made it illegal to criticize him, the government, military, flag and polices especially in your own home(claimed to be just in war, but he wanted to keep these polices up even after his term). 4: Protesters and dissidents violently suppressed during his administration.(Goldbergh points out Wilson arrested more dissidents in just a couple of years than Mussolini did his full 1920s) 5: Established what would be considered the quasi-private police-state agency called the "American Protective League" administered by the "Department of Justice".(Goldbergh also points out Wilson did more violence towards civil liberties in 3 years than Mussolini did in his first 12) 6: Created the first official propaganda ministry 7: And dragged us into WWI(no, not the the Iraq War) And about the conservative elements of fascism such as patriotism and sexism, it was sexism and patriotism being suppressed that existed way before fascism came abroad. Oh.. and did you know Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy had Public health care? Mussolini was an atheist and devout Marxist before he made Fascism, which is socialism and Woodrow Wilson's progressive polices Mussolini admitted to adopting. Hitler also suppressed Christianity in Schools and they burned Bibles despite what Hitler said about Jesus. And if it's anything conservative about Hitler, it's appeasing to most people who were generally socially conservative in that generation. If it's anything, about the Christian Catholic rightwing Fascists such as the dictator in Austria and Francisco Franco of Spain, it was that they refused to deport Jews to Hitler at one point or another. Not even Bush suspended civil liberties like Woodrow Wilson did even when we did have a terrorist attack. And if people want to call Bush a Fascist because of the Patriot Act, Obama is one because he he renewed it and plus, ofcourse he's taking more of the economy to the government like a fascist. And is Obama Socialistic or Fascistic? He's both, just read history. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 76.228.209.71 / talk / contribs
 * Fascism was fiscally liberal but socially conservative, how is this news to you? doesn't change the fact that you are ignoring two important facts, the social conservatism and militarism are what made fascism bad not their economic policy and that fascism is not in any way socialist and is in fact Keynesian.
 * " just read history." What histories would you have me read? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:14, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

15 ≠ 14
Where did the secret police section come from? 04:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but you've made most of the recent edits to the page, so surely you can figure it out? 04:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I plead that it was like that when I found it? 05:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This seems almost insulting
I'm not talking about insult to Conservapedia. They are a bunch of idiots and ridiculousness invites ridicule. My objection is it seems disturbing to conflate the fairly minor actions of an extremist website which almost no one takes seriously to a political ideology that has caused so much suffering. My grandmother lost the majority of her family to the Holocaust. She is haunted by the loss of her family to this day, decades after the Holocaust. She was lucky to escape but almost no one else did. Everyone who knows her is affected. My father and I have to deal with the idea that my grandmother's side of the family is basically her and a handful of other people who escaped, most of whom are now dead. Not to mention knowing that every time she hears of a racist crime, every time she hears the word fascist and every time she hears of any form of racism in fact she will think of how most of her family and nearly everyone else she knew are now dead for no reason except that they were Jewish. She is a conservative and has conservative values but as a whole tends to be accepting of people's differences as long as no one is getting hurt. For example she personally dislikes homosexuality but she believes that gays should get married because it's none of the governments business. Furthermore I am a gay transman. My grandmother totally accept me being transgender and tolerates me being gay. Now, have you heard about the homophobes calling people who accept gays Nazis? Imagine how she feels when she hears herself being compared to the men who slaughtered her family. So much suffering was caused by the Nazis to just this one family. This is replicated millions of times. Conservapedia has not caused even close to this degree of suffering. Conservapedia's worst crime would probably be causing me potential brain damage because of so much face palm. This seems like it is trivializing what my grandmother went through. Perhaps I am taking this too seriously but I just find it insulting to my grandmother and other Holocaust survivors. -Daragon
 * Maybe it will lessen the pain if you focus on the Italian model rather than National Socialism? 23:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)