Talk:Bodie Hodge

I think this is a perfect example of why I don't really trust people who derive their morality from religion. ADK ...I'll cuddle your hotel! 12:11, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

We have the number 4 google ranked page about a nobody who said something stupid. Lame. 09:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Aha! I just learned that fundamentalist xtians are stupid. What a respectable resource this is. Nutty Roux (talk) 07:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

The 3 laws of robotics
and possibly 'Thou shalt not kill' ... squash BH's 'righteous lie' example (and many people would see it as morally wrong). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the Order of Precedence for the Commandments
Now AiG is AiG and I have nothing to say about the people making a living in that organization. I do, hope however, that people are not misrepresenting what this fellow said.

Regarding lying, Ten Commandments as such only speak about false testimony against one's neighbor. This is essentially what we today readily recognize as a prohibition against libel or slander. With regards to the commandment of not taking the YHWH's name in vain, it has been unpacked with the narrative content to mean that saying things about YHWH that aren't what we have been given to say is a violation of that commandment, which is consider an extremely severe violation, more severe than even the worst civil crimes. Unfortunately it's very common, especially among people use use religion as a lever to get their way.

Now even rationalists will acknowledge that there are times when standing up for the truth requires a sacrifice. Exhibit A - whistleblowers Now Lying is on a different plain and involves choices which may be for good or ill, but usually lying is not necessary, until a lot of other things have already gone wrong. If Bodie said that lying is to be avoided for as long as possible, I agree, when there are alternatives.

But Regarding the order of priority of the "Ten Commandments". In fact is has been a long standing practice among clergy in the historical (read non-grifter Americhurch) churches to simply read the whole list and let that be the order of priority. In fact conflicts occur and this is called "Casuistry" in pastoral care. A lot of dishonest or incompetent clergy don't care or are no good at it, but the order of importance is descending, without exception, even if all violations have consequences.

For example, one does not insist that a wife stay with an abusive man if her safety or even life is at stake (or vice versa, which I have also seen, although I'd wager it's less common). Or in the case of the Nazi argument, which is manifestly false, The commandment regarding not giving false testimony concerning one's neighbor does not override someone's physical safety. As far as what we call the Second table of the ten commandments is concerned I've found in practice it works in fact extremely well. Even with the last commandment, which basically commands that we do not wish we were somebody else or have what somebody else has, is good for mental health when not used a tool to exploit others (which some people have done. Such people are thieves and murderers in the biblical worldview. But "American Conservatives" will do plenty of singing and dancing to insist on individual liberty in a bad world instead.)

In summary: the Bible has both descriptive as well as prescriptive content, of which the prescriptive often comes with a context. It is important to neither treat descriptive content as prescriptive, nor to use prescriptive content outside of its context. Hence the distinction between the decalog, the preistly/levitical codes, and the decrees of civil authorities.

Finally, I'm sorry for all the grifters who abuse things that I treasure for the purpose of robbing or otherwise harming others instead of building them up. I speak out against them, even in my own church body, and many of my own parishioners either don't realize they are being had, or worse, wish to join in the game. I robustly confront such people whenever given the opportunity. I sincerely hope that any of you who have been harmed by them would receive comfort, and a better approach.

God Father, Son and Holy Spirit bless your reason and give you life that is really life. Amen. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Joe Das / talk / contribs