Fun talk:DeviantArt

Fun:DeviantArt
Why was Fun:DeviantArt removed? While I salvaged the page (archive.is) from the Bing Cache (the Wayback Machine and Google Cache had no copies), it can't be viewed on here anymore. CJ-Moki (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Because it sucked? 22:17, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * 🖕That page did not suck. —(((вιgℓʝвιgℓ))) (ᴛᴀʟᴋ/sᴛᴀʟᴋ) 22:21, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What made you think that Fun:DeviantArt sucked? CJ-Moki (talk) 22:22, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No citations
 * Not missional
 * Uses a video
 * Made by, a user who self-acknowledges they have a tendency to make really bad articles. 22:29, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Many existing pages have little citations, why not get rid of them as well?
 * That's why the Funspace exists.
 * Videos can be used to illustrate a point (see Richard Spencer).
 * Even if he has a tendency to make really bad articles, may well have had a Stopped clock moment with Fun:DeviantArt. CJ-Moki (talk) 22:42, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It also wasn't funny and sounded like ED. If you really have an issue with its deletion, bring it up on the article's talkpage. See this about videos. 22:53, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * For one, who decides what makes something funny? For two, it really was like æ, it would probably have something like Hello.jpg emblazoned with DA's logo on the side. Lastly, Fun talk:DeviantArt doesn't exist anymore. CJ-Moki (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The mob. The mob supported deletion. We operate on mobocracy.
 * It read like ED. It was poorly written.
 * That doesn't prevent you from creating a talkpage. 23:09, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * A "mob" of exactly three users.
 * It wasn't nearly at æ levels. What about it was was poorly written?
 * Would it be against the site rules to perform article necromancy on Fun:DeviantArt? CJ-Moki (talk) 23:23, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Do as you wish. 23:29, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

No mocking minors
MinorElite was severely harassed to the point of quitting Deviantart. Harassment on Deviantart is a horrible issue This is pretty similar to the time that Rationalwiki made fun of a man who died of suicide because that man was cringely.

Listen here, I came across several minors who were suicidal and self harming because of people reposting their art and mocking it. Thousands of insensitive jerks mocking one children's art for months on end. Think of that. This is not æ.

Mock adults. One of my fav Tumblr blogs is Escher Girls. Do you know how many adults on Deviantart create objectifying artwork with horrible atomonny?? It's so funny.

Like really look at adults' bad artwork.

ClickerClock (talk) 02:48, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you mean mockery, or harassment? It's an important difference (even if mockery can become harassment if not restrained). Per Wiktionary, mockery is defined as follows:
 * The act of mocking, ridicule, derision.
 * Contrast harassment, which is defined as follows:
 * Persistent attacks and criticism causing worry and distress.
 * While (as I stated above), mockery can become harassment if not restrained, I think it's important to draw the line between mockery and harassment. CJ-Moki (talk) 05:19, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It is unwise to mock minors as mockery of minors can easily and quickly dissolve into harassment. It is better to keep the satire aimed at adults as adults are better able to cope with mockery thus the mockery is more unlikely to become harassment. ClickerClock (talk) 05:21, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you read the page, even if it mocks people, it does not target minors or individual persons specifically, though it describes most art as being "quick sketches that look like they were made by five-year-olds". Yet even that's a stretch. CJ-Moki (talk) 05:29, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I was referring to specifically adding MinorElite's bad art to the article. I do not find anything wrong with "Most art is quick sketches that look like they were made by five-year-olds." It's just when you pick out someone's art to mock, you should make sure that you aren't dogpiling them/ participating in their harassment. ClickerClock (talk) 05:33, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Right now, none of MinorElite's art (or any art at all) is in the page. CJ-Moki (talk) 05:38, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That's great! I'm glad that Bigljbigl removed the art. ClickerClock (talk) 05:40, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

DeviantART Users attack RationalWiki and Psuedoscience on DeviantART
Based on what i found Many users have attacked RationalWiki..

https://great-5.deviantart.com/journal/RationalWiki-pisses-me-off-229195182

"RationalWiki is still made of fail and AIDS, and deserves every bit of hate from anyone with a brain. The comment drama here is getting pretty amusing, people either attacking RationalWiki and defending this journal, or attacking this journal and defending RationalWiki. Gotta get me sum popcorns." -Great-5 raging about RationalWiki while using words from the holy grail of ad-homiens (refer to []

https://chiminix.deviantart.com/art/Rationalwiki-507481249 A user named Chiminix said " From the look of just any random page on that site, it's a far-left cesspit of SJW self-righteousness."

Users on DeviantART have created a group called BreakingTheIllusion, founded by uki-uki and has promoted psuedoscience

https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/ if you give this a look, you'll find the sites they used and Pro-Trump while bashing SJWs

Oh one more thing, here's users that cite Mike Adams-made websites such as MediaFactWatch (a site from the same guy that made NaturalNews) https://onlytheghosts.deviantart.com/ OnlyTheGhost's attack on factcheckers: https://onlytheghosts.deviantart.com/journal/Fact-checkers-that-MISLEAD-651476736

Not to mention he cited The Daiily Caller [], Daily Mail [] , the Federalist papersn[].

His argument against Politifact: "PolitiFact is more appropriately described as an editorial page or opinion site. PolitiFact is like any other of these alleged "fact-checkers", they do what the money tells them what to do. Whoever is sponsoring and paying the bills controls the agenda. PolitiFact is part of the Tampa Bay Times (a traditionally “liberal” newspaper publisher), and like any other news outlet, it has biases. Repeatedly, PolitiFact has been exposed covering up for Democrat misinformation and outright lies." -OnlyTheGhosts

I bet this user will hate RationalWiki even more. so if you saw any DeviantART users posting psuedoscience, fact-check these uers or use RationalWiki to prove em wrong, they will hate you, but you can be the Smart one here, because DeviantART has became another YouTube, where Homophobic Groups such as WorldEvents can be made.

wanna know World Events? https://worldevents.deviantart.com/

Info: WorldEvents is a homophobic group founded by FlipswitchMANDERING, one of the members posted this homophobic piece of crap: https://worldevents.deviantart.com/journal/Disney-Cartoon-Puts-Gay-Kiss-In-Scene-666656139

The User the DankExpress has cited InfoWars, therefore will be automatically wrong and makes him a homophobe and will cry if a show airs them.

Refer to this article about InfoWars in this article []

instead of writing like ED, These pieces of evidence will make this less like ED and make more people aware of pseudoscience.

https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/art/Vaccines-make-unhealthy-children-678017614

"Stop shilling for big pharma. We are aware of their lies and methods and aren't buying them anymore." Take a hike you loser. -Novuso, defending Anti-Vaccine nonsense and forcing beliefs of anti-vaccine as the "Truth"

Read every comment this picture got and REFER to RationalWiki's article on Anti-vaccination movement

&mdash; Unsigned, by: 24.247.116.207 / talk / contribs
 * Might as well be random Facebook goons or Youtube commenters attacking it. I don't see the point of any of this. 20:09, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@ well thats OK. I can tell that many RationalWiki users have already seen weird shit, I was just spreading awareness that many DeviantART users are posting the same psuedoscience.. I know the Fun Page for DevaintART SUCKED, so you don't seem suprised. They're maybe no point, but you guys know this already or you guys had enough and you guys made pages on Alt-Right, Anti-Vaccine Nonsense etc. thanks to answering..
 * I do never get tired of crazy people, don't take it that way. 00:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)


 * @ you don't get tired. hmmm maybe you should check these links... I mean YES there like Facebook goons and Youtube Commenters attacking, but I still like to see anyone's opinion.

https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/art/Vaccines-make-unhealthy-children-678017614 https://onlytheghosts.deviantart.com/journal/Fact-checkers-that-MISLEAD-651476736 https://worldevents.deviantart.com/journal/Disney-Cartoon-Puts-Gay-Kiss-In-Scene-666656139 https://chiminix.deviantart.com/art/Rationalwiki-507481249 https://great-5.deviantart.com/journal/RationalWiki-pisses-me-off-229195182

please: read every Journal by clicking on the Journal section and click on the Gallery sections https://worldevents.deviantart.com/ https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/

I just want to see what any RationalWiki thinks and responses to those freaks on DevianART, I get it, there's is not much point in responding, but DeviantART has became a copy of YouTube, but with less restrictions and they can post psuedoscience, cite InfoWars and promote Homophobic agendas worse.


 * @ well sorry to bug you, I only wanted is your opinion on these cooks. sure again they're Facebook goons and YouTube Commenters, but these guys are from DeviantART..

Hear the cries of White Nationalists on DeviantART
https://onlytheghosts.deviantart.com/journal/The-Last-Snowflake-721077534

"Every male character in the movie is portrayed as an incompetent IDIOT. Why are the white guys portrayed always as EEEEEEVIL in these movies so often? SJW/PC crap overwhelms this movie. It's filled with it. The political agenda-pushing destroyed the movie as "entertainment" and is a big part of what's wrong with it. Those who don't want to accept this fact, grow the fuck up and stop being dishonest. It's a sequel to "The Force Awakens" yet "The Last Jedi" seems to ignore every success gained by the heroes/goodguys in The Force Awakens. They've redefined Finn - who was a combat experienced stormtrooper - into a mere janitor, and as the black man, he's also portrayed as even more stupid than the white men. It's a bad movie overall. It's racist, sexist, fucktard *GARBAGE!*" -OnlyTheGhosts whining about Whites being potrayed badly.

Isn't it sad that a member of BreakingTheIllusion (https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/) and WorldEvents (https://worldevents.deviantart.com/), the same gorups that promote psuedoscience and Alt-Right beliefs cry acid over a Star Wars movie?

RationalWIKI really needs a page for DeviantART

The Materials

https://great-5.deviantart.com/journal/RationalWiki-pisses-me-off-229195182

"RationalWiki is still made of fail and AIDS, and deserves every bit of hate from anyone with a brain. The comment drama here is getting pretty amusing, people either attacking RationalWiki and defending this journal, or attacking this journal and defending RationalWiki. Gotta get me sum popcorns." -Great-5 raging about RationalWiki while using words from the holy grail of ad-homiens (refer to 1

https://chiminix.deviantart.com/art/Rationalwiki-507481249 A user named Chiminix said " From the look of just any random page on that site, it's a far-left cesspit of SJW self-righteousness."

Users on DeviantART have created a group called BreakingTheIllusion, founded by uki-uki and has promoted psuedoscience

https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/ if you give this a look, you'll find the sites they used and Pro-Trump while bashing SJWs

Oh one more thing, here's users that cite Mike Adams-made websites such as MediaFactWatch (a site from the same guy that made NaturalNews) https://onlytheghosts.deviantart.com/ OnlyTheGhost's attack on factcheckers: https://onlytheghosts.deviantart.com/journal/Fact-checkers-that-MISLEAD-651476736

Not to mention he cited The Daiily Caller 2, Daily Mail 3 , the Federalist papersn4.

His argument against Politifact: "PolitiFact is more appropriately described as an editorial page or opinion site. PolitiFact is like any other of these alleged "fact-checkers", they do what the money tells them what to do. Whoever is sponsoring and paying the bills controls the agenda. PolitiFact is part of the Tampa Bay Times (a traditionally “liberal” newspaper publisher), and like any other news outlet, it has biases. Repeatedly, PolitiFact has been exposed covering up for Democrat misinformation and outright lies." -OnlyTheGhosts

I bet this user will hate RationalWiki even more. so if you saw any DeviantART users posting psuedoscience, fact-check these uers or use RationalWiki to prove em wrong, they will hate you, but you can be the Smart one here, because DeviantART has became another YouTube, where Homophobic Groups such as WorldEvents can be made.

wanna know World Events? https://worldevents.deviantart.com/

Info: WorldEvents is a homophobic group founded by FlipswitchMANDERING, one of the members posted this homophobic piece of crap: https://worldevents.deviantart.com/journal/Disney-Cartoon-Puts-Gay-Kiss-In-Scene-666656139

The User the DankExpress has cited InfoWars, therefore will be automatically wrong and makes him a homophobe and will cry if a show airs them.

Refer to this article about InfoWars in this article 5

instead of writing like ED, These pieces of evidence will make this less like ED and make more people aware of pseudoscience.

https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/art/Vaccines-make-unhealthy-children-678017614

"Stop shilling for big pharma. We are aware of their lies and methods and aren't buying them anymore." Take a hike you loser. -Novuso, defending Anti-Vaccine nonsense and forcing beliefs of anti-vaccine as the "Truth"

please: read every Journal by clicking on the Journal section and click on the Gallery sections https://worldevents.deviantart.com/ https://breakingtheillusion.deviantart.com/

DeviantART has became a cesspool of Alt-Righters, Mysogonists, Whiners about Star Wars, etc.

RationalWiki's page.. DeviantART is a site where people can post their passion for art, over the years we see piles of psuedoscience bullcrap thanks to Conspiracy Theorist loving uki-uki, and Alt0Right groups like WorldEvents. DeviantART is a place where anyone can post bulcrap or something beautiful and we can tell we have people who believe in the Media is conspiring to Control masses while citing NaturalNews and InfoWars (example: https://wwwarea.deviantart.com/art/Media-is-Actually-Worse-501993449) theofore the user is automatically crazy and so.

DeviantART is also a site for cyberbulies to pick on innocent belivers like wwwarea whom cite InfoWars to back up his claim that Mainstream Media is crap, wwwaraea and his buddy Another-Realm he refused Mainstream Society because Mainstream Society is responsible for every bad thing in existence such as Fetish-Shaming though The only people that does that crap is Cyberbullies. DeviantART is also the hub of sad petulant Alt-Righters like Kajm, OnlyTheGhosts, uki-uki, any member of BreakingTheIllusion, TheDankExpress,, FlipswitchMANDERING and anyone who is a member of WorldEvents. dA is known tocyberbully dramas caused by assholes by channeleven, TheDarkReindeer, Bobsheaux, TheRavenFox, and Cambion-Hunter

EXAMPLES of attacks on the "Left" https://onlytheghosts.deviantart.com/journal/Disney-has-DESTROYED-Star-Wars-723338776

"Having said that, I still want to see the movie. When it shows up in the local library. I won't shell out a dime to Disney to watch leftist garbage." -Kajm,, a alt-righter who hates Disney.. "The LEFTISTS ARE RUNNING EVERYTHING, IT WILL DEVIANTART AND FORCE THEIR IDEAS, WATCH THE EX JONES SHOW AND READ NATURALNEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE HEROES AND WARRIRORS AGAINST THE LEFT!!!"

See Also Ideas: Gamergate: Where BreakingTheIllusion and WorldEvents get their bullshit ideas Donald Trump: WorldEvents LOVE TRUMP, he got Ajit Pai to repeal Net Neutrality, how sad Alex Jones: WorldEvents considers Jones to be GOD and leader of the so-called) Centipede Army NaturalNews: BreakingTheIllusions considers it a GOOD source against pseudoscience Zero Hedge: Another Realm considers it to be a good source. Alt-Right: thats what BreakingTheIllusion and WorldEvents members ARE GlobalResearch: BreakingTheIllusion says its a site to check out.. yeah what a load of bullshit &mdash; Unsigned, by: 24.247.116.207 / talk
 * On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes ( ~ ) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. You can also indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line. Thank you. —Kazitor, pending 11:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

OK then --24.247.116.207 (talk) 12:26, 6 January 2018 (UTC)Annoymous

Cyber bullying? You mean people who are calling out wwwara and another relm. And they are far from being innocent. Not saying they don’t get bully, but don’t think that calling someone out equals bullying.

Um sir
may I please recreate the Fun page, instead of crap from ED, I will proise you, I will use the info I gathered. --MysteryMan9000 (talk) 23:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)MysteryMan9000


 * Since DeviantArt a contentious subject here, and as the community has concurred that the subject is questionably missional, I'd suggest that you prepare your contributions in a page in your user space instead. You might also find our community standards and newcomers guide useful as well. Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 00:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Whats a user space? --24.247.116.207 (talk) 01:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Done my part and recreation
Hey, its okay to delete, the prupose of that is to make people aware of the bullshit that spreads on DeviantART --MysteryMan9000 (talk) 17:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Really?
Is this like another ED site that likes to bash people because they get offended by criticism? For example, whining about "wwwarea" and "Another-Realm" because some idiot thinks both are wrong without proof while ignoring many criticism, and pretends the opinion against the criticism "right" and then treats I think, big media as "truth"? Many people were right, this site itself is bullshit, and isn't rational. XD I don't see any well written criticism toward many of the points from Deviantart.

This page should be deleted, and hell, since when does this have anything to do with religion? I don't know about everything on the page, but the part with "another-realm" and "wwwarea", it's usually about exposing things that involves Copyright law? Written on 3/23/2018.

This guy thinks we are saying his points are invalid, No! we are not saying that! There is nothing against your points, hell STOP believing everything people say is against your points, What are saying that you should be clear on your points and if you think your points are clear, Then go to public speaking. NO nobody is saying you both are wrong! STOP implying that shit. Everythime we say you should be clear, you imply we have somthing against you, you think we are whining about your crtitism, ullshit, some criticism. If you think we are whinning? THEN GO TO PUBLIC SPEAKING AND WE CHALLENGE YOU TO GO TO AN EVENT and EXPRESS YOUR DAMN OPINIONS HERE AND THERE! --MysteryMan9000 (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC) can come from unreliable sources.

This person came from DeviantART and thinks we are a clone of ED and get offended by "criticism" That page is more about exposing Groups like BreakingTheIllusion and WorldEvents as manipulators rather than "criticism toward many of the points from Deviantart." Its more about criticism of how they use DeviantART. I don't care at this point

If RationalWiki is biased. well Try harder..
https://another-realm.deviantart.com/journal/Someone-REALLY-Hates-Human-Rights-736813213#comments

"There was a page written, and I was mentioned in it. So was "wwwarea". Apparently, someone hated my guts so much for sending a lot of criticism of today's problem involving Copyright law and certain license agreements, and the person acted like I "suck" at arguing it and acted like he/she doesn't need proof against my side. They also say I'm not being clear? What? How can you say that THIS:"

No! wwwarea, you do not suck at arguing, you just need to make it all clear.

"Though I do believe a New World Order IS a possibility to revive again if it stopped at one point. And of course, the idiotic page treats "mainstream media" as "truth". Yeah, that's what an irrational person does. Anyone who thinks popular opinion is right because it's popular opinion is not only stupid, but the idea of it being a "valid" argument was already debunked several times in the past. There are a lot of problems with big media. It may be filled with false news, bad opinions, and so on. The same can be said for less main media, but there are some interesting theories I am open about."

as if Alternative media like InfoWars and NaturalNews are any different. Seriously you got pissed because we tried to be neutral.. nothing wrong with believing in theories, but Hell, if RationalWiki ain't rational, try spending life outside the internet, you have a fun time.

You could have spread your opinions on Copyright and License Agreements on public speaking and Public Schools and Universities instead of fighting cyberbullies! That is my point

"Also, don't make up bullshit and pretend it's automatically right by "just saying so". It's pretty stupid. And sure, there could be times where I don't put so much proof, but that doesn't make the other side of the theory true automatically.

This website's page is very not Rational. It's just some page written by some whiny idiot who got butthurt over some possible ideas at least mostly? Sad. XD"

Whiny, please at least we give you credit and encourage you to spread your opinions outside of the internet. Call it whiny all you want and oh? Our point is that that the idea about attacking Mainstream Media is just like Nazism, LOOK! Mainstream Media is NOT 100% right, but that does not excuse going full on the other side, no matter how right you are. If YOU WANT TO BELIEVE WE HATE YOUR GUTS, BIOMEANS ANYWAY! We say you are not clear because you didn't answer questions.

if IP laws are morally wrong, then why does the MPAA keep Defending them, The MPAA is something you should against! yeah, call us whiny all you want, We don't care if you find it whiny anyway. Have fun trying to defend your argument surrounded by people worse than we could ever do! Prove us wrong?

Then go to Public Speaking Events and GET OUT OF THE CLOSET! We will not mock you, Trust us! your opinions and your research will do everyone a favor if you shared that shit to the Public Speaking Event or even a DAMN University! oh treats "mainstream media" as "truth"? yeah we agree, but treating less main media like InfoWars is worse.

Don't waste time fighting stupid people on devaintART or the internet, thats a lessson you should learn! and STOP putting words in our mouths! its not worth your time and energy! have fun using Urban Dictionary! and No we do not hate you for " a lot of criticism of today's problem involving Copyright law and certain license agreements" we done that, because you done absolutley nothing about it. all you ever do is talk all day and fight idiots on the internet resulting in nothing, where you can spend productive time planning a public speaking event about siad critisism. you could have joined TechDirt or enter said Main Media to share your thoughts! You could even have a damn job as a Journalist!

and NO your points are NOT invalid!

"This website's page is very not Rational. It's just some page written by some whiny idiot who got butthurt over some possible ideas at least mostly?" butthurt? hahahahahaha NO! there is nothing wrong with your ideas, the problem is that you never shared ideas to the mass PUBLIC! you never even teach children in universities. Aw screw it! Say whatever you want about RationalWiki, go ahead. Imply that we hate Basic Human Rights all you damn want, IT WILL never help you and your case, though you can say it helps you.. wanna help your case? Then go to Public Speaking and GET OUT OF THAT CLOSET and start going outside and enter Public Speaking Conventions!!!! --MysteryMan9000 (talk) 22:10, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Further Reply
Let's continue debating on here then. :D

"No! wwwarea, you do not suck at arguing, you just need to make it all clear."

Why is it under "Someone is wrong on the internet?" and also I was pretty clear. Yet, why can't you be clear?

"as if Alternative media like InfoWars and NaturalNews are any different. Seriously you got pissed because we tried to be neutral.. nothing wrong with believing in theories, but Hell, if RationalWiki ain't rational, try spending life outside the internet, you have a fun time."

Did you read carefully? I never said they were always right, I clearly said "The same can be said for less main media". But I AM open about what they say though. Same may be the same for mainstream. I have to admit, a lot of opinions outside of main media feel more "safe" likely but I won't believe everything they say all the time.

"You could have spread your opinions on Copyright and License Agreements on public speaking and Public Schools and Universities instead of fighting cyberbullies! That is my point"

But I did. I already made a lot of statements about it, and sent a lot of links to a lot of the criticism about it. For example, the Everything is a Remix example.

"Whiny, please at least we give you credit and encourage you to spread your opinions outside of the internet. Call it whiny all you want and oh? Our point is that that the idea about attacking Mainstream Media is just like Nazism, LOOK! Mainstream Media is NOT 100% right, but that does not excuse going full on the other side, no matter how right you are. If YOU WANT TO BELIEVE WE HATE YOUR GUTS, BIOMEANS ANYWAY! We say you are not clear because you didn't answer questions."

Where is your credit? I say mainstream media can be a problem, if I said it was always one, then I am sorry? I don't remember if I said that, but it's already proven that in GENERAL, it's a very crappy place when it comes to public opinion and some behavior.

"if IP laws are morally wrong, then why does the MPAA keep Defending them, The MPAA is something you should against! yeah, call us whiny all you want, We don't care if you find it whiny anyway. Have fun trying to defend your argument surrounded by people worse than we could ever do! Prove us wrong?"

How does that prove it's not wrong? Are you really gonna depend on a random company like that to "prove" it's "not wrong"?

"Then go to Public Speaking Events and GET OUT OF THE CLOSET! We will not mock you, Trust us! your opinions and your research will do everyone a favor if you shared that shit to the Public Speaking Event or even a DAMN University! oh treats "mainstream media" as "truth"? yeah we agree, but treating less main media like InfoWars is worse."

Internet is another way of spreading your word. And can you prove it's "worse"? Mainmedia has so many problems that I think InfoWars could actually be BETTER in general.

"Don't waste time fighting stupid people on devaintART or the internet, thats a lessson you should learn! and STOP putting words in our mouths! its not worth your time and energy! have fun using Urban Dictionary! and No we do not hate you for " a lot of criticism of today's problem involving Copyright law and certain license agreements" we done that, because you done absolutley nothing about it. all you ever do is talk all day and fight idiots on the internet resulting in nothing, where you can spend productive time planning a public speaking event about siad critisism. you could have joined TechDirt or enter said Main Media to share your thoughts! You could even have a damn job as a Journalist!"

One thing is kinda true, it DOES feel like a waste of time trying to change a selfish egoist prick, for example, TheDarkReindeer, who is often one sided, but I don't agree it's a full waste of time. There are some people on DeviantArt that agrees with me, and I was helpful in the past. I won't let go of that. That one site might be a good site and maybe I could join but I still like to use Deviantart. Also I have been using other sites too.

"butthurt? hahahahahaha NO! there is nothing wrong with your ideas, the problem is that you never shared ideas to the mass PUBLIC! you never even teach children in universities. Aw screw it! Say whatever you want about RationalWiki, go ahead. Imply that we hate Basic Human Rights all you damn want, IT WILL never help you and your case, though you can say it helps you.. wanna help your case? Then go to Public Speaking and GET OUT OF THAT CLOSET and start going outside and enter Public Speaking Conventions!!!!"

Look, I'm sorry if I said you were against Basic Human Rights if that's not what you're into. Maybe I went a little far their, but when I read this page, it just felt like it was trying to call me out and act like I was false, especially the whole "wrong" thing.

nobody is calling you out for your beliefs, but I can prove that InfoWars is a joke.. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/infowars-and-the-gateway-pundit-slapped-with-lawsuits-for-spreading-charlottesville-conspiracies) (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/alex-jones-accused-sexual-harassment-racism-anti-semitism-article-1.3848193) (https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/08/25/how-alex-jones-attacks-lgbtq-community/217772) (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/07/10/alex-jones-says-transgender-women-are-gay-guys-who-want-go-pick-more-guys-getting-breast-implants/217193) (https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/13/trump-ally-alex-jones-blames-lgbt-community-orlando-shooting/210913)

and NO, I wouldn't rely on a stupid company to believe that Copyright is not wrong, thats a matter of your belief, Believe what you will and Believe what you want, I won't waste time discussing. Oh sure there are people on DevinatART that agree with you, but my point is that Fighting Idiots lioke Channeleven, TheDarkReindeer and Bobsheaux are just a waste of your time. Oh yeah, The Internet is way to get your message,and sure Mainstream Media is horrible and can be a problem, oh please? If Media Matters for America is wrong, BIOMEANS Anyway! at this point, I don't care. I am not against the basic human rights, I am only stating that People like you will go further than that (by that I mean, do more than speaking your opinions on the Internet, heck you can always Try again at a Public School and a University on how Copyright is morally wronmg."

"if IP laws are morally wrong, then why does the MPAA keep Defending them"

Thats not proving IP Laws are not wrong, its a question for you to answer, the point of that is for you to answer questions.

If IP Laws are morally wrong, then why does companies like Disney, The MPAA, RIAA keep saying they are not wrong? that is a question for you to answer, no argument here, just questions. --MysteryMan9000 (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh forget it!
Another-Realm, or wwwraea? or whoever who's speaking bnelivee's right..

WELL then, despite the fact that I said it a talk page ago

"nobody is calling you out for your beliefs, but I can prove that InfoWars is a joke.. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/infowars-and-the-gateway-pundit-slapped-with-lawsuits-for-spreading-charlottesville-conspiracies) (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/alex-jones-accused-sexual-harassment-racism-anti-semitism-article-1.3848193) (https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/08/25/how-alex-jones-attacks-lgbtq-community/217772) (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/07/10/alex-jones-says-transgender-women-are-gay-guys-who-want-go-pick-more-guys-getting-breast-implants/217193) (https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/13/trump-ally-alex-jones-blames-lgbt-community-orlando-shooting/210913)

and NO, I wouldn't rely on a stupid company to believe that Copyright is not wrong, thats a matter of your belief, Believe what you will and Believe what you want, I won't waste time discussing. Oh sure there are people on DevinatART that agree with you, but my point is that Fighting Idiots lioke Channeleven, TheDarkReindeer and Bobsheaux are just a waste of your time. Oh yeah, The Internet is way to get your message,and sure Mainstream Media is horrible and can be a problem, oh please? If Media Matters for America is wrong, BIOMEANS Anyway! at this point, I don't care. I am not against the basic human rights, I am only stating that People like you will go further than that (by that I mean, do more than speaking your opinions on the Internet, heck you can always Try again at a Public School and a University on how Copyright is morally wronmg."

"if IP laws are morally wrong, then why does the MPAA keep Defending them"

Thats not proving IP Laws are not wrong, its a question for you to answer, the point of that is for you to answer questions.

If IP Laws are morally wrong, then why does companies like Disney, The MPAA, RIAA keep saying they are not wrong? that is a question for you to answer, no argument here, just questions."

and NO, I'm not proving you wrong, but my point on the idea that you need to get a JOB as a journalist still stands.

You said..

"There are a lot of problems with big media. It may be filled with false news, bad opinions, and so on. The same can be said for less main media, but there are some interesting theories I am open about."

can you at least give us an example, on how Big media gives people false news and BAD Opinions?

"Anyone who thinks popular opinion is right because it's popular opinion is not only stupid, but the idea of it being a "valid" argument was already debunked several times in the past."

At this point, we don't care anyway.. Not worth our time to argue anyway! and oh, Thats not my intention to go against basic human rights, and NO! I don't have intention of proving you wrong, you just needed to added basic information..

If yOU BELIEVE THAT WHAT YOU SAY CAN BE UNDERSTOOD, then Why does nobody understand you? Thats a Question and oh if you think what you say about copyright is understandable, here's a simple solution. WHY NOT Debate with Congressman, The MPAA and The RIAA instead of losers like FunnelVortex, you'll be a GODDMAN Legend if you argue and fight against these 3 powerhouses. Damn, You could have argue against the The Copyright Office instead.

That's not me refuting your points, that's me suggesting people and organizations you should argue against! --MysteryMan9000 (talk) 15:12, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Some food for thought
Pretty sure Wwwarea and Another-Realm are the same person. He didn't even bother trying to hide his speech patterns. I'm confused why were here, talking about his accounts like they're different people. Unless... Did you guys really not know? I digress. But honestly, DeviantArt is known for being a cesspool of toxic and psychotic people. I was not only chased off the site, but followed over to Tumblr and harassed there, even having a fake beware made about me, branding me and my actual boyfriend as "different people" when anyone with eyes and a Facebook account can see were not the same person. Our art styles are different, our speech patterns don't match, and they even claimed a picture of us standing right next to each other is "photoshopped" and then mock me for dating myself. I know it sounds like I'm making this about just me, but this kind of thing is actually to be expected. In fact, if someone who hates me sees this and adds input saying "no, donut isn't innocent, they're lying, they did this!!!1!" then you'll know why. I've even looked up "DeviantArt harassment" in my browser and came across this talk page. Not only that, but even a few journals regarding harassment and bullying on DeviantArt. A model who mentioned she was raped was chased off of DeviantArt by abusive and evil users insulting her, calling her a whore, a liar, demanding video evidence; '"Wait... WHAT THE EVERLIVING F***K!?": Yeah, I know. And I agree. Asking for video evidence? First of all, a rape victim isn't going to film themselves during the rape while it occurs, they don't expect to get raped! Honestly, anyone who asks for not only any evidence, but especially VIDEO evidence is only asking to see it so they can fap to rape porn like the sick f***ks they are. They don't actually care about their safety or wellbeing. She ended up deactivating. I really hope she's okay. The last time I've heard of a rape victim being shamed or blamed, or accused of lying about their rape or told that they clearly wanted it, the victim ended up killing herself, and the accusers were arrested and charged with premeditated murder. I'd say never trust DeviantArt or Tumblr if you're going to post your art. Make an art page on Facebook, make an art account on Twitter, or open an art blog on Blogger. DeviantArt? Pfft. DonutBandit (talk) 01:10, 6 November 2019 (UTC)