RationalWiki talk:All things in moderation/Archive51

Andrew5's wikipolicing
I was having a discussion at the Saloon Bar with GrammarCommie and Dutchbag and in the midst of it Andrew5 sent me an unpleasant message on my talk page. Other people said he was wikipolicing again. The guy has a bad attitude. He said I was acting suspicious and referred to my participation in the discussion as a possible "crime". He said the website needed to go back to being stern. The whole thing was pretty ridiculous and offputting. Granger34 (talk) 04:15, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We're aware of this. It's best to try to ignore him since he's relatively powerless (Sysoprevoke). If you make consistent, quality contributions to mainspace articles, you should quickly become a sysop — and feel the power. Bongolian (talk) 05:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I looked up Sysoprevoke and it means he was stripped of his administrator rights so he can no longer block people. That's a good thing, but he still shouldn't be hassling people. I am all for giving people second chances, but at some point you have to draw the line. Change begins with having a better attitude and he still has a bad attitude. Granger34 (talk) 05:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We have tolerated people with a bad attitude. Most people have one at some point. When it crosses the line to incivility, then it becomes actionable on RW (see RationalWiki:Community Standards). Bongolian (talk) 05:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Andrew5 said I posted questionable material at this wiki and I did'nt do this. He made a false accusation against me. He should face some consequences. Otherwise, he will keep doing things like this. Granger34 (talk) 05:53, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * it's apparent no action will be taken into this and until he does more incriminating behavior aka being much more annoying and harassing you, then he won't get punished. mods won't punish what he might do, they base on what he has already done and so far, he hasn't done anything severe enough to have action taken against him. if a decision has been made, don't continue egging the staff until further disputes are actually made. 05:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I made the right decision as far as no longer contributing to this website. If someone is free to harass a new contributor at this website with zero consequences, it's a website that I would rather not be involved in. Granger34 (talk) 06:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You sound a lot like one user I interacted who also said they were leaving this site at the slightest irritation (also deemed the interaction as "hassling") and is repeatedly announcing to leave the site. But, we'll see. Stay out of trouble. It's nothing personal, we just have a bit of a rereg problem around here so just edit articles with effort, share your political beliefs, etc, and you'll be good. 06:44, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Andrew5 was being ridiculous IMHO, but if your only contribution to this site is one day of Salon Bar crapola and subsequently advocating that someone be banned over the slightest irritation, then, well, get the fuck out of here and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Don't pretend to be a nice guy and want someone to "face some consequences" for stupid shit at the same time. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 13:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey again.
Delete my userpage. I doubt that I will rejoin anytime soon.--Delibirda (talk) 10:50, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Spud (talk) 11:02, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

GrammarCommie taking disputes too far in the Saloon
Tension at SB between me and GC is nothing new, take a look at my talk page. However, in our recent dispute, I think it's been taken too far. GrammarCommie removed my post, blocked me, was reverted by another IP, who reverted it back, in which yet another user reverted it, and it was reverted back yet again. GrammarCommie has a history of refusing to back down, hell, I was only freed for good from my indefinite block on January 8 when LGM removed their rights for 2 hours. The discussion at RationalWiki:Saloon_bar probably does include me making frivolous points, nonetheless, there were points nonetheless that GC is blatantly dismissing.

I think a formal moderation of this conflict has become necessary. Otherwise this will happen every single time theres a bar discussion where we disagree. (Ohio and Illinois discussion also contains this.) --Andrew5 (talk) 02:48, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Only because you're a dishonest weasel who refuses to retract anything, strawmans others, sealions, tone trolls, and is otherwise indistinguishable from a random troll. 02:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * GrammarCommie, you do realize that you were also rude to Dutchbag before, and even removed his posts before. GC perhaps if you think that you shouldn't engage? --Andrew5 (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not gonna lie, you are a bit of an asshole. Epic Games (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Two accounts ganging up on me, very odd that... Maybe they're the same person... 02:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Proof? Epic Games (talk) 02:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Me and Epic Games aren't the same user. This can be seen by his opposition to the Senate Filibuster and my support of it. The reason we are teaming up on you is becaue he's right, you are a bit of an asshole. --Andrew5 (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see this also. --Andrew5 (talk) 02:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to bring your complaints here Andrew. It seemed a lot like you were really trolling GC. Let it go please. You won't like what happens if you persist.Ariel31459 (talk) 03:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean anything. It's trivially easy to make sock accounts and have them argue and disagree. That being said, he does come off as less of a whiny self important brat. As for me being an asshole, wow, it's amazing that you figured that out. I only broadcast it on my userpage for literally anyone to see... 03:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

You've literally have no evidence that me and Andrew5 are the same person you are just whinging that people are calling you out for being a jerk. Note: Being proud of being an asshole will not make you friends in life. Epic Games (talk) 03:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Weird how you both are obsessed with tone and calling me an asshole, as if the latter does anything. 03:10, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

This can all be accomplished on your respective talk pages. There is literally nothing to moderate. Ariel31459 (talk) 03:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * could you move the discussion into GC talkpage? Epic Games (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Please archive.Ariel31459 (talk) 03:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Need a judgment call on an image
I'm planning to finally add a topsters (visualization of my favorite albums) onto my userpage. There is one hiccup, being that it contains the art for the Death Grips album The Money Store. The album does feature a topless woman on the cover, but it's not sexualized and it would be very small and in the corner. I still don't want to upload it without getting permission for it though, so a sign off from someone would be appreciated. If needed, I can always upload the censored version. armed_roomba (she/her)What am I doing wrong this time? 17:57, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Perfectly fine, we aren't prudes. -- Techpriest (talk) 18:01, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! armed_roomba (she/her)What am I doing wrong this time? 18:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Scientific paper manufactroversy
I have been attempting to place a scientific paper into mainspace however two editors refuse for reasons I do not know. I have answered their questions however they still refuse to budge. The mainspace page in question is:Sex and gender in sport; The scientific paper I've attempted to place on that page: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846503/#!po=0.292398

Ive tried to discuss the issue on the talkpage but it feels like its not going anywhere so Im placing the issue here in the ATIM. Epic Games (talk) 02:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow. This is actually kind of pathetic. 02:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 02:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Rather than reaching a dead-end in on the talk page discussion as you claim, Epic Games, it seems like the discussion is still ongoing there, where it is better resolved if possible. Bongolian (talk) 02:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * GC it would be better if this argument did not spill out here. Epic Games, the moderators that are interested in weighing in on the argument should go to the talk page, as should any user who wants to opine. Ariel31459 (talk) 02:19, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * However, with that being said, keeping it on here, with a link to the tp is a good idea to increase visibility. Please link the talk page as well in the future. --Andrew5 (talk) 02:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to increase visibility to the issue since its just mainly me arguing with the two editors. Epic Games (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)