Talk:Watergate scandal

US Grammar of the word 'president'
The USA always capitalizes President, Presidency, etc in reference to history, it is different from European conventions for several reasons related to Bicameralism.--Andrewstewart1 (talk) 21:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

For conspiracy theorists
The World Bank had previously considered occupying the site (in Foggy Bottom and previously owned by he Gas Works of the Washington Gas Light Company) and there was a Vatican connection. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

There's a commie in the closet…
There are many parallels to Nixon's first term and Trump. The atmosphere is eerily similar with a media that rabidly hates Trump and a whacked out leftist party that can't get it's act together with a sane candidate to challenge. As hated as Nixon and Trump are, Nixon unraveled the Gordian knot that led the US into two unwinnable wars with China (Korea and Vietnam) by making China a trading partner, and Trump is unraveling the Gordian knot of allowing China to use nuclear blackmail via it's proxy North Korea to rape us in trade deals.

Anyway, back to the point. Nixon won 49 states, 63% of the vote, with a full one third (33%) of Democrats cause the DNC was taken over by communists. However, Nixon's victory never translated into any Republican party gains. Less than two years later Nixon could not muster 34 Republican Senators to save his ass in an impeachment trial. Only one Democrat Senator who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act switched parties, the rest all remained Democrats. Segregationist became a Democrat hero for chairing the Watergate hearings, voting against Civil Rights legislation, signing the cp:Southern Manifest, and voting with Biden to end busing. Republicans were wiped out in the 1974 Midterms, and lost to a Southerner in 1976.

In the 1978 Midterms, Southern Evangelical Christians starting voting Republican over the Roe v. Wade issue, cause Carter, the Southern Evangelical Christian, did nothing to stop abortion. Desegregation was not an issue, cause Biden had already stopped it 1975, keeping the racist voters in the Democrat party.

The movement of Democrat voters to the GOP in 1972 was over the far left anti-war takeover of the Democratic party, not race. Roe became in issue in 1973. Democrats returned home in 1974, the Biden Amendment (really the Helms Amendment with Biden's name on it) passed in 1975 repealing sections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act that denied education funding to schools that defied court ordered desegregation and busing. Southern Democrat Moral Majority types voted for Carter in 1976, and defected to the GOP between 1978 and 1988 over abortion and the budding gay rights movement as a civil rights issue, not race.

So your Southern Strategy conspiracy theory remains what it always has been - bullshit - which has hidden the racism of Joe Biden and other Democrat scumbags for decades. Educated blacks have always understood this very well - largely the result of funding for Black History programs and Black History Month that grew out of the Great Society. nobsI'm all yea'res 07:06, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Antagonist: Oh, but Rob, Nixon targeted Southern racist voters in 1972.
 * Rob: He did not. George Wallace was shot while campaigning in May 1972 running as a Democrat. Wallace plan was to run on a third party ticket if he failed to get Democrat nomination. He was in it for the longhaul. He was singularly probably Nixon's strongest opponent up to the time he was shot. Nixon had three and half years to court Southern racists, but never tried because of Wallace. After Wallace's shooting, the Southern vote came to Nixon by default. It was a "law and order" program. Race riots ended after Dr. King's shooting, cause Blacks achieved what the asked for - integration, affirmative action, fair housing, etc. In 1972, civil unrest was over war protests. Both Nixon and Wallace appealed to patriots, albeit Wallace with a racial twist. Nixon never did. nobsI'm all yea'res 07:38, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Contrafactual
Given the personalities of Nixon and his 'cabinet, associates and others in his close circle', how inevitable was Watergate in some form or other? 'But for the break-in and the investigation into it' the details might have emerged somewhat later (including 'the missing minutes' - there would have been no reason to obliterate them if there was no investigation). Anna Livia (talk) 12:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, the whole Vietnam treason thing should've been when Nixon went down. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's an interesting question. Was Nixon worse than his predecessors, or simply unlucky enough to be caught at a particular point in time, when it was no longer possible for the establishment to suppress scandals, but before people ceased to care if their leaders were criminals? --Annanoon (talk) 15:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, I think the Vietnam treason thing puts him as worse than anyone going back to at least Harding. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:20, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have read that LBJ also bugged conversations (a story from somewhere - Bobby Kennedy visited and said 'all sorts of interesting things', and had a jamming device so nothing got recorded).
 * The question was about Watergate as such rather than Vietnam (the two things being somewhat distinct): would Nixon and various of his subordinates have inevitably moved into 'criminal activities whatever the context - or would some combination of personalities, interactions and intents, and chance' have led them to being regarded as mere grey hats, willing to operate somewhat outside the rules in order to achieve a goal. Anna Livia (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll take the question regarding the 18 minute gap in taps serious when Hillary's 33,000 emails are recovered and obstruction of justice serious when they people who smashed Hillary's phone under subpoena with hammers are charged. Until then, this article is bullshit. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 16:14, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Another Watergate
Can be found close to Embankment Station, London and the former Of Alley (and if George Villiers were around today would he have a RW page?). Anna Livia (talk) 15:25, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

A little gem of jest – from the great Mort Sahl
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