Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive29

Ban Sentences
I've just copped fourteen years from Jallen. Apart from 'infinite' - the CP equivalent of the chair - is this a record? I won't be able to add to the store of enlightenment until 2022. Fretfulporpentine 10:37, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * That might actually be possible, but there have been some odd lengths in the past, so I'm not sure... --Sid 11:58, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Lists of lists
Anyone not sure of Crocodile's religion? Image:croc.gif.gif Susan  Purrrrr  11:34, 24 February 2008 (EST) (Damn that double filetyping!) Susan  Purrrrr  11:34, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * (You know, you could've simply moved it... :P) Yeeeeeeeep, it really stands out. Then again, at least he focuses on stuff he may actually know something about. That's certainly recommendable, and a welcome change to Andy "self-appointed expert in everything" Schlafly. --Sid 11:51, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Yup, Andy's losing it...


He's completely blurring the line between mainspace content and talk pages (scroll down a bit to see what he did) - tearing down the fourth wall, if you will. I'm starting to wonder if it's okay to be picking on the guy. I feel a little guilty, like a teenager making fun of a mentally disturbed person on the street....PFoster 11:45, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe he finally realized that CP is just an entertainment platform? It would certainly explain why the article was created in the first place... --Sid 11:49, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * See also: Susan  Purrrrr  11:50, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * ...*laughs* I'm not sure what amuses me more: The edit itself, or the fact that he/she/it actually wikilinked "patriotic". --Sid 11:56, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * All the cp:Conservapedia terms articles don't belong in an "encyclopedia mainspace". Surely he could have had the sense to put these in a subspace (after all, they do have an "essay" space). Also, if you follow the "next diff" from that last link, does this imply that Crock'o'shite does not thnk that Andy is "patriotic, successful, good-looking and modest"? human  13:52, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * No, no, no...See, the essay space is for opinion-type articles. The CPterms are all factual, and therefore belong in mainspace...--WJThomas 14:47, 24 February 2008 (EST)


 * It gets better: Kara blocked that guy for "insulting comments". Apparently, patriotism, sucess and good looks aren't what they used to be. Or maybe he meant it in the way that it's insulting for the people who, you know, actually are all that... --Sid 15:43, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hmm...it does sound familiar.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 14:07, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * I like how the example at the bottom now refers to the wrong item number... fix that now! human  15:29, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Is Conservapedia now approaching the End Time? Having watched/contributed to it for a year or so now, I can't recall ever having seen the amount of splenetic hatred and wilful moronic bigotry as is now being displayed by Schlafly and his main lieutenants, who currently appear to be Karajou and Crocoite. If they carry one like this for even a little longer, they will ban/drive away all other editors, and it will be just them and a handful of hoam-ejukatees frothing away about 'Liberals' in an ever-decreasing circle-jerk, too boring even for the rest of us to look in on. Fretfulporpentine 03:34, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nah, it's just election year hijinx, the increased "security" and vitriol are brought to you by Schlafly et. al playing "candidate". In this year's game Andy is playing the wi(ld)ly eccentric gazillionaire whose comments need some TLC (Total Loonification Correction). Since the real candidate (Huckabee) is too busy losing in slow motion the play-candidate gets to say and do all kinds of wacky stuff. As bad as the old enforcer was, (what was his name???), he never bought into the Schlafinator's Lunacy to any great degree whereas the ones he's got now seem to want to do pre-emptive range blocks "just in case" someone might want to vandalize that fine trustworthy encycloblog, conservapedia.

Brother's also sorting things
Rschlafly's really hitting the maths now. Susan Purrrrr  11:55, 24 February 2008 (EST)

WTF?
Is this?


 * Hyper-conservative parodic troll match: TK vs. Crocoite. GO! 13:37, 24 February 2008 (EST)


 * Maybe TK is Crock o'shite? -- 15:10, 24 February 2008 (EST)


 * * stands up* No, I'm Spartacus Crocoite. --Sid 15:40, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Obamacans
Weird. They 'epidomize' (sic) change! DogP  15:49, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * That means they engage in "episodic sodomy" human  15:55, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Bigoted...
Amazing - (and I don't really have time to get links, so, trus me on this)...a wandal is peppering CP with images of Obama with captions from the Pledge of Allegiance or phrases like "Let's work together to heal America" and is getting the hammer for the reason of being a "bigot" (Kajagoogoo and I think CrococileTears are the guilty parties.) Just putting up a pic of Obama makes one a racist now. I'm starting to really hate those people over there...PFoster 16:12, 24 February 2008 (EST)


 * I like how Kinkajou lied about it when asked and claimed one of the previous attempts had "bigoted" material in it. Which, knowing him, was probably something like "don't hate black people" or some such. --Kels 17:09, 24 February 2008 (EST)

BIG NEWS111!!!11ON111
Extra, extra, read all about it!!!!!-- -PalMD -- 16:25, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Amazing. I never knew that !  This work of art, this brilliant masterpiece, what genius wrote this?  Surely, his name should be enshrined among the great philosophers !  May he be reviled revered for all time !  -- 16:35, 24 February 2008 (EST)

SSchultz
The current WIGO entry via SSchultz ("claiming that vaccinating your children is safe but shaking them isn't") has to be one of my favorite CP edits of all time. How is that guy still around at CP? He's gotta have some incriminating photos of Andy; anyone else who tweaked the Schlafster like he does would have been out on his butt long ago. &mdash; Unsigned, by: WJThomas / talk / contribs
 * What do you think the incriminating photos depict? : )  -- 16:38, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * I say Andy humping a weiner dog. -- 16:39, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * No, it's far worse...trust me...-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 16:40, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Andy, shaking babies! -- 16:44, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Doing a quick check of SSchultz's CP contributions, it's clear that the turning point from loyal CPer to liberal symp was Contest3, wherein Andy tried to cheat his way to a win via a challenge of SS's points. Which doesn't explain why Andy keeps him around, but it's interesting nonetheless. Perhaps the answer lies in how and where Andy first met and recruited SS for CP. SS's first edits where in July of last year, so I'm thinking some sort of summer romance gone bad.--WJThomas 17:12, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Is getting on ones knees in a rest stop bathroom still considered a "romance"?-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 17:21, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * po-TAY-toh / po-TAH-toh...--WJThomas 17:35, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * So who's waxing Karajou's wand, cuz he's rather cranky...-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 17:37, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nobody waxing Karajou's wand but ol' Karajou. 72.130.151.59 18:07, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hence the crankiness. Lurker 23:49, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Karajou and military service
I've been out of it for awhile, and I come back today to find this. Who the hell is Karajou to question another person's military service, when he himself repeatedly hides behind his own? This posting, which obviously has since been removed, sums up my feelings about him pretty well right now. Also, how does Jimmy being retired make him any less of a serviceman? Especially coming from Andy who, I'm fairly certain, has never served himself. --BillOhannity godvelocity. 18:35, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * That reminds me... of this! -- 18:45, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * And has been liberally mocked preserved at Conservapedia:Karajou. human  19:10, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Kara's current bout of "patriotic-er-than-thou" reminds me that, back in October, it was pointed out that an he created was contrary to proper flag etiquette (it's backwards, and in a subordinate position to an enemy flag). Months later, it's still wrong. Perhaps someone with an available sock should point out this continuing disrespect for the flag (and Karajou's subsequent status as a commie, a traitor, and a stinking liberal).--WJThomas 22:52, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Everytime I see this pic it makes me laugh. They claim to be so patriotic but don't even know basic flag code. I don't even know why I know it. I also like the conversation there with TK - he is obviously illiterate. BeastmasterGeneral 16:11, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Reverse Boycott
So often now, we make our yuks and lulz here about an item or article, and within minutes or seconds the item is edited over there - in some cases, 'fixed', in other cases, made even more extreme. Fair enough. I think we should respectfully ask them to boycott RW for a week, so we can both benefit from the experience and gain profound knowledge. So - Conservapedians who read this (I'm thinking of YOU, DanH), would you be interested in setting up your own RationalWiki Boycott, and letting your editors know? it would be fun for all of us, and maybe we'll see our traffic drop to nothing as we realise that most RW editors are faux-liberal CP socks? Eh? Come on, it'll be great gas! DogP  19:53, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Heh ... --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * That's an awesome idea! human  19:58, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Awesome idea is AWESOME, but how to get Conservapedians to agree to it? And all without having to say the taboo words "RW"?  -- 20:03, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Want me to 401 block all their known ip addresses? :) 20:09, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * What does that do? -- 20:16, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * It prevents editing. Also, Tmt, about known IP addresses, I believe I can do something about that. I'll drop you an email tomorrow. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום


 * Please to be also making the 401 error document a picture/flash video of a Navy guy being fucked in the arse, with accompaniment by the Village People's In The Navy. -- 20:21, 24 February 2008 (EST)

No, that goes against the spirit of the thing. What we want is for Conservapedians to do it themselves because they want to organise and promote a RW boycott. Blocking them is counter-productive, and I want to encourage this in a fair and utterly balanced manner. No liberal tricks here, it's simply a good idea and you Conservapedians should try it out. DogP  20:19, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Does that mean no buttsehks?-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 20:23, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, PalMD. Teh buttshecks is out.  Gratuitous and exuberant groping, however, is still permissible.  -- 20:26, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Problem is that they're already supposedly boycotting this site, or even denying its existence. So that would require them to admit that some of them are not following policy, which of course would be unthinkable. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 20:23, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Of course, you (CPians) will have to go on double-time proofread patrol. But I bet you can do it, we catch most of our own by ouselves, and there's only four or 5ive of us... human  20:24, 24 February 2008 (EST)

We should promote the idea to them, perhaps from the Main Page? Make the plea in the an entirely fair, balanced and non-derogatory way. DogP  20:26, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Since AKjeldsen is ASchlafly's sock, why don't we let him issue the command.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 20:29, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Should someone sock up and promote the idea over there, or does anyone think that's just going to be counter-productive? DogP  20:30, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * 1. the people that matter will read about it here.
 * 2. the ones that matter can discuss it "behind closed doors", no need to mention RW "on site".
 * 3. because I don't think the "rank and file" come here anyway. human  20:37, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Damnit, Doc, you promised not to tell anyone. :-( -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 20:56, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Does anyone else think it's ironic that teh assfly invokes the Oath of (pagan) Hippocrates in his (not pagan) anti-abortion argument? -- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 22:07, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * I wonder what he thinks of that whole socialist 'teach without fee' thing in there too? And do no harm with doctors being in attendance at executions (death penalty).  I'm surprised he didn't rail about the sexual relations part being taken out either.  And remember - if you read it there, you read it here first.  --Shagie 02:28, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Wouldn't a reverse boycott have the same effect (for CP) as a regular boycott (assuming that CP perfectly abides by said boycott, of course)? The difference is, at the end they can come over here and see what they've missed and fix all the mistakes. Lurker 23:51, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, pretty much, Lurker. There is a bit of Yin and Yang to this incestuous process, and it's about time they held up their Yang in the bargain! human  00:15, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * What's this "yin" and "yang" of which you speak? It's not in TEH BIBLE and it sounds like hippie-talk. You aren't a dirty liebrul hippie, are you human? I may have to report you to the proper authorities. Lurker 00:52, 25 February 2008 (EST)

In other news, assfly has, as of now, forgotten to turn off editing. 00:39, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I vote for helping CP boycott RW by blocking their editing rights en masse for a week. They can't organize a boycott themselves, for obvious reasons, not the least of which is that we don't officially exist in the CP history books. PoorEd 08:43, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Are Boycotts Useful?

 * Give me a break. Your "so called boycotts" are not true real boycotts, because it doesn't apply to undercover socks. Obviously, MexMax never left during these events. I'm fine with such a boycott if it's truly reciprocal. Somehow I don't see that happening. DanH 14:50, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * First, I have it on good authority that the boycott was well-observed. Second, sock use, while always tacky, was expressly discouraged.  I don't think MexMax was "one of ours".  He seems to have come from Panda's Thumb, perhaps, but no one here has been able to find out who he was yet.  That being said, I'm sure some folks may have put on their socks, but check your traffic...-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 14:53, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I talked to MM over e-mail. He came to us fairly late, after a spate of wandals advertised our name (but apparently wasn't us?).  Your assumption that we're the only ones on the interwebs that despise your little cyber-despotism continue to ring hollow.- 14:54, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * It was a reasonable assumption given his familiarity with the list of users who were on RW 1.0, as well as his block comments reflecting mannerisms/in jokes frequently observed on WIGO and the like. Similar to when Samwell blocked Andy with the comment "groomer". It's obvious where that came from. DanH 14:56, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * But he is a groomer. 16:19, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Re:MexMax, considering the amount of time he (?) must have invested in figuring out how to get where he did on CP, it is also quite likely he also ended up researching RW a bit - our in-jokes aren't hard to find, and the list of RW editors is also documented in many places (such as, even, CP's block log). That said, we simply don't know who he was any more than CP does. Did his IP seem "real"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:29, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thoughtful, reflective types might give pause to consider just what it is about CP that seems to inspire such antipathy. I suggested this months ago, but I'll say it again anyway: a reply article for controversial subjects, linked with a "See also" at the bottom of the original. Leave the reply articles more or less alone, and I'd lay good money that much of your wandalism would disappear. --Robledo 15:11, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Robledo has offered you a panacea for vandalism, as many have offered it to you before. I have no doubt that you - or the less enlightened editors at your blog - will turn it down, but it will only continue to show your antipathy to the search for truth. I have no doubts that MexMax benefited greatly from our documentation of the Conservapedia sysops, and the main players in the Great War. Whether we like it or not, our subject matter assuredly makes us aiders & abettors of wandalism. Lucky for us, that's not a crime... no matter what Andy tells you. Also lucky for us, he's a bad lawyer and a worse politician.- 15:32, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, I fully recognize what it is about CP that brings about vandalism, and speaking for myself, I personally would enjoy having a 90/10 exempt right of reply section on CP articles and essays. It would help keep us intellectually honest at all times, thinking on our feet, and would be beneficial to all sides. 129.237.172.58 15:46, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I assume this is DanH. Too bad that disagreeing with Karajou is a blockable offense... and too bad, too, that he redefines "Disagreeable."  I'll say that I do miss the clash & debate from that blog.  Would you all ever be interested in a no-holds barred debate-off?  Since, even when we were polite, being liberal was a blockable offense, too?- 15:51, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Unfortunately, Aschlafly disagrees with you, and with good reason--every time he gets into an argument with Liberals he ends up needing to haul out the Banhammer to 'win' the argument. (See: Evolution, Liberal Anything, Professor Richard Dawkins, ad nauseam...) --Gulik 19:02, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Yes, I'm on a different computer and forgot to log in again... I would be certainly interested in that, although generally on more political issues. DanH 15:52, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Karajou is perhaps the most offensively malignant presence over there, aside from teh assfly himself. He states opinions, and anyone with the gonads to disagree is blocked for no reason.  The more rational sysops should consider taking him aside for some verbal haldol.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 15:55, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Don't think Andy's interested in building bridges. Kudos anyway, Dan. Good luck to you & PJR. --Robledo 16:38, 25 February 2008 (EST)

The evidence so far suggests the other sysops like this just fine, thanks. I wonder if it hurt when their souls were removed? --Kels 19:41, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Liberal Friendship
Good Gawd Almighty...He can't be serious. Is he serious? He's just putting us on, right? Gotta be. 'Cuz the only other explanation is that he's finally just gone completely fucking insane, and somebody needs to call 911 and have them send help to Andy's house. He's now officially a danger to himself and others...--WJThomas 16:46, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * He is just bitter cause no one wants to be his friend...except the homeskoolerz  16:47, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Does this make you wonder how and why Andy became a creationist? Remember, he used to be an old-earther.  I wonder, was he hurt by a lib'rul?- 16:51, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lover spurned? Would make a lot of sense. 16:54, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lover spurned is reasonable. He married late.- 16:58, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I am thinking the kind of "spurned" that involves restraining orders. 17:02, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Taking bets on "Liberal grading" now. Here's my entry:

Liberal grading is when teachers in public schools mark favorably towards liberal work from liberal students. This includes atheistic themes, global warming, or evolution. This does not happen with homeschooling, as it is generally conservatives who take part in this, and conservatives do not have such a bias.

Edit summary: a good start -Shangrala 16:57, 25 February 2008 (EST)


 * Probably would need to include something about a sense of entitlement spurring grade inflation also "affirmative action" should be mentioned at least once linked to the Obama article. 17:00, 25 February 2008 (EST)

OH EM GEE. Better idea. What if the MexMax incident... broke his brain? What if he really really thought he was friends with him, and now... that dream is shattered?- 17:11, 25 February 2008 (EST)


 * so, basically, they give better grades to people who critically think. SHOCK!!!!--142.177.30.220 20:32, 25 February 2008 (EST)


 * My God, that's almost getting depressing. :-( -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 17:15, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * That IS depressing. Do you think that's it?  Could he have been depending so much on his web friends that... this mattered?- 17:19, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * It makes a good story but I don't buy it. 17:20, 25 February 2008 (EST)


 * "...conservatives virtually never require censorship or acceptance of conservative principles as a condition of friendship." There is an infinitesimal amount of truth to that.  Right-wing Christians most certainly do not, but many old-school conservatives know one or two liberals that they tolerate enough to be friends with.  -- 17:24, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I have yet to meet a liberal who conditions friendship on ideological connection. I think this site proves it.  See, e.g., Bohdan.- 17:26, 25 February 2008 (EST)

The article's probably a warning shot across DanH's bows to stay out of this stinking hive of scum and villainy. --Robledo 17:31, 25 February 2008 (EST)


 * Liberal friendship often leads to teh buttsehks. It's a fact.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 18:08, 25 February 2008 (EST)

I was sort of hoping Liberal Grading had more to do with road levelling... --Kels 19:38, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I thought that, too. But then, the town road agent was out playing in the town grader on my street today, trying to push the ice banks of the edge of the roadway... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:48, 25 February 2008 (EST)


 * Speaking - kind of - about friendship that transcends ideology: Even though my politics are WAY to the left of the mainstream, I have the complete oeuvre of P. J. O'Rourke within reach on my bookshelf? Why, 'cause he's a great writer and a funny guy and often the first palce I turn when I need a good laugh. Friends who agree with you all the time are boring. and amse is still totally wrong about Nader....PFoster 19:52, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * (re: edit comment - yes: wp:dumb NPOV article = wp:dumb NPOV article <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human )

The Liberal grading article is the ultimate awesome, congrats to whoever did it. I wonder if assfly has slipped over the line in to concious self parody now. Surely someone has told him we're taking the piss out of him? Also, on the more disturbing side of things anyone else notice how he describes rape as "a politically incorrect act"? All the CP sysops seems to hate PC, are they all rapists? -- 20:37, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * On your second point, where does he do that? No need for a link (unless it's easy), but at least tell us where to search. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  21:23, 25 February 2008 (EST)

here, I didn't bother to try to understand it though. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 21:30, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I don't blame you, reading Andy channeling Fox News can be challenging. Keep in mind that in the end the lacrosse players were absolved.  But twithead does still call whatever they did or were accused of "a politically incorrect act".  Poor example really. Surely his files would be full of public school teachers routinely downgrading reports on the Creation in favor of crap like the big bang from their students? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  21:44, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Holy shit, holy fucking shit I can't believe Andy actually edited it.Shangrala 22:18, 25 February 2008 (EST)

I'm astounded at Andy's extraordinary lack of consistency between any two of his thoughts. "Liberals love it when kids fornicate and go to wild parties. Liberal school officials will punish students for going to wild parties and having sex off of the school campus." ??????? GrandSoviet 23:25, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Theoretically we can incite him to write more batshit crazy articles like that with only a bit of initiative. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 00:04, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * lol http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Liberal_grading#Parody


 * Andy just doesn't wan't you to know about Liberal estimates. On the other hand Conservative estimates are just fine. Auld Nick 11:35, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Somehow I suspect that if Andy found out that one of his homeschoolers (God forbid) was caught hiring strippers at an alcohol-fueled party, sort of like the Duke example he cites, he wouldn't exactly be impartial in grading their work.--Bayesyikes 14:20, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I know I've said in the past that on Planet Conservapedia, "Liberal" is just a synonym for "Evil", but sometimes I really do suspect that Andy & co think that liberals are not actually human beings, with separate personalities and likes and dislikes, but mere appendages of a Zerg-like alien Hive mind fnord. --Gulik 19:06, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * LIVE FOR THE [PERNICIOUS LIBERAL] SWARM! NightFlareSpeak, mortal 10:06, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * I've had the exact opposite experience. One of my best friends in high school was very conservative, absurdly so.  He'd probably have gotten along great with Andy - he talked quite a bit about wanting to bomb France (this is during the mid-90s).  But one of the last times I saw him, I tried to explain that Bowling for Columbine's argument was more that the US has a problem with violence.  The fact that I didn't side with his arguments about how great Charlton Heston was led to the end of our friendship.  I still miss him, and would gladly spend time with him if he didn't hate me for being liberal.  Meanwhile, my wife leans more libertarian, and I spend time with a wide range of religious backgrounds without any real thought of how in conflict our views are.
 * I wonder when he's going to create an article for Liberal Love.--Lardashe

Cracked the code
Remember at one point TK told us that the block reasons were sysop code, or something? I think "bye" means "you're from RW" or "you're raising typical RW issues."- 22:35, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Please, write a footnoted article. Support your position. ;) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  00:12, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Let's face it
Andy enjoys it when gay kids die. --Kels 22:57, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wow...I think you just crossed a line I wouldn't cross made me wet my pants with laughter.PFoster 23:02, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * It actually made me sad, because she's right.- 23:03, 25 February 2008 (EST)


 * Seriously, reading that discussion on the Main Page over there, you can almost hear him licking his lips. --Kels 23:08, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * When one of his thought criminals dies, it validates his worldview, and he really does get an intellectual woody. I always said he was dangerous.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 23:25, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Irony much? Lurker 23:26, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Let's look at his arguments. Andy: "The homo bullied the other kid into shooting him." Other user: "The article clearly states that murdered student only teased the shooter in retaliation to the shooter teasing him." Andy: "That's not the issue! The issue is why the liberal mainstream media is hiding the facts!~!!1r" GrandSoviet 23:28, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * I peed my pants too, but can I haz diff links? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  00:14, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Teh google wars is on!
There were only 18 hits on Google as of yesterday referencing successful second generation atheists, but 28 pages with something about Andrew Schlafly fellating a pig. Therefore, assfly gives pigs blowjobs far more often that second generation atheists do notable things. It's a fact. -- 03:04, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * XD Thank you.  I needed that laugh.  -- 05:48, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * I wonder how long it will take Assfly to see the flaw in his argument that 'minister's sons have been strikingly productive' (aside from the ridiculousness of assuming a Google search is an accurate way of measuring the productiveness of something)? In case you haven't worked it out, doing a Google search for 'minister's son' will also pull up hits for Prime Minister's son', 'Home minister's son', 'state minister's son', and the fact that 'minister's son' can also refer to the son of someone in a the position of 'Minister of xxxxx' in the political system of various countries.  So, seemingly, he can't even be accurate about his own stupidity. Zmidponk 08:48, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe he's testing us to see how ridiculous he can be and still get a rise out of RW. PoorEd 08:52, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Apart from all else, if you go back more than about 100 years then Minister's kids were much more likely to receive an education than plebs. Susan  Purrrrr  08:59, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Allright, 'fess up! Who's Aboganza? Susan  Purrrrr  09:05, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Not me guv, I'll cough to being CabbageCrate though. For some reason they didn't appreciate my little contribution to the "Liberal X" series of articles:



-- 09:23, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * I've known several minister's sons and daughters who were the most rebellious students in the school. PoorEd 09:33, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * I only ever knew one (...and would you adam and eve it, he has a website now... ah, nostalgia googling.) He was only mildly rebellious, and also about 50% smarter than me, and distinctly less lazy. Perhaps not the best counter example :D -- 09:42, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Firefox's lovely google toolbar to verify Andy's claims, results here. First two results? Fiction and molestation charges. Barikada 09:41, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Next few results, spoilt Indian brat discharging his weapon of gun in an inappropriate manner, Roy Rogers and of course... Conservapedia. An overwhelming proof! -- 09:55, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Not exactly a minister's son moment but I do recall playing strip dominoes with a Methodist minister's daughter. :) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 11:31, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * I should never forgive myself if I didn't ask... When playing strip dominos, when do you remove an item of clothing? When your opponent lays a double? When you're knocking? -- 11:51, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 *  Instead of  playing dominos. Susan  Purrrrr  11:54, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Strip tiddlywinks? Strip Cluedo? - You can be colonel mustard. -- 11:58, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * In the reading room. with a candlestick. PFoster 12:11, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Just get your clothes off & get down & dirty. Who needs reasons? Susan  Purrrrr  12:00, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Oh I don't know, there's the anticipation, the lead pipe in the drawing room-related innuendo.... -- 12:05, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Rulzes for strip dominoes. Place dominoes in teh middle of table. Everyone takes one domino. Person with lowest number of spots on their domino takes off one item of clothing. (Extra secret rulz - don't tell that 6:6 is marked).  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 13:04, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Kudos to whoever pointed this out. I especially love the terms he chose to compare.  :D  -- 12:58, 26 February 2008 (EST)

"Second generation atheist": 861 hits. "Second generation conservative": 122 hits. And aren't there many more conservatives than atheists? DickTurpis 13:31, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * "Second generation homeschooled" googled in quotes gives 4 hits. Sterilexx 18:43, 26 February 2008 (EST)  Ah, to be fair second generation homeschooler gives 703. Sterilexx 18:48, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Fortunately "second generation celibate" gives no hits (as expected). Celibacy is not hereditary. --Shagie 18:50, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Well, now we have a nice list of second- and third-generation atheists, which you can visit here. Hopefully that should up the Google hits. -Pretzel 22:11, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Crocoite's source
Ahelluva percentage of ace researcher Crocodile's "headlines" appear to be not xactly original. Susan Purrrrr  09:32, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Heh, yeah, CP's broken news section is just the Grudge Report with a nicer font and more homophobia. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  14:30, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * They are on a "onenewsnow.com" kick currently. I think three of the last four have been from that website.  It's like the admins go to one site, and then just read a bunch of articles from that site and post those as "In The News" for that day.  The next day, it's on to a new site to steal "headlines". --Jdellaro 10:47, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Beastly number(s)
You'd expect the Biblical literalists to be up on The Number of the Beast, but no: "The Number of the Beast is a concept from the Book of Revelation of the New Testament of the Christian Bible. The Number is 666 in modern biblical text, although modern studies have shown that the earliest known version of the Book of Revelation (from the 3rd century) used 616" (WP). Susan Purrrrr  10:38, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Dee Devil, he smart. Him cooks up them books on revelation to has two numbers, the easier one to remember being the phony one. When him comes into his powerz and ax you to hab de number etched into yo forehed or de right han, you gonna be all "Oh no! I ain't taking no BEAST number on ME!" but de debil gonna be, "Oh, no! it'sa okay, see is 616 not the bad ol' beasty number", then you're gonna be, "Oh, alright then, tat me up!" Then he gonna own your soul for all eternity. Warren Terra 12:55, 26 February 2008

Long-Awaited Update


After all the time taken to make the update, perhaps they could've spent an extra second or two making sure it was grammatically correct? "do you know what pretzels have their shape"?!?! What the hell does that mean? What pretzels have their shape? I don't know, Bavarian? Surely not the nuggets or the sticks. Wonder how long before they fix it to say, "Do you know WHY pretzels have their shape?"--Jdellaro 11:08, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * "Free from liberal bias, full of Conservative grammatical errors." -- 10:59, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * What about my shape? I guess that little low-blow is payback for . -Pretzel 23:04, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Andy's Future Son-in-law and Rape...
To paraphrase my good friend Elvis Costello - "I used to be amused, now I'm just disgusted." PFoster 11:57, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * "Don't leave!" - Ha! it will be interesting to see how far Fuzzy can go after creating this . As Phy's beau, the other sysops can't touch him and Andy will have to answer to his daughter if he's blocked. This looks like it might be good fun. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 12:08, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Man, how come it never occurred to us to infiltrate CP by having one of our younger male compatriots seduce his daughter? Talk about a safe sock!  (ew, there's something truly ebil lurking right under that phrase in this context).


 * So, do we have any wimmin folks willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for the cause? Is Andy Jr. single?  (at least you won't have to sleep with him, you can get one of those stupidity rings to ward off teh secks). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  14:36, 26 February 2008 (EST)

How old is Andy's daughter? GrandSoviet 16:59, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, Andy is 47, and he married at 24, so that makes (counts on fingers) her 23 maximum? --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * Oh, too bad. I don't like older women. Also, her guyfriend sounds like one of those date-rape types. :D GrandSoviet 17:08, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * You should really reconsider that position. "Older women", as you put it, can teach you lots of interesting things. :nods: -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 17:10, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Her older brother has just gone to Harvard. What she posts on her facebook site I'd reckon she's about 17. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 17:12, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Look, folks, she already has a mole on CP BF. What we need is to get a woman sympathetic to our cause to seduce Andy Jr. and get sysopped on CP by nepotic influence. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  17:16, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * And on a completely unrelated note. Many years ago I had a relationship with an older woman called (by sheer coincidence) Phyllis and learned a hell of a lot (and no, her name was not Schlafly, she was English!). [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 17:15, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * You guys have got it all wrong. The best thing isn't -learning-, but -teaching-. *malicious grin* GrandSoviet 17:30, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * You have to learn first before you can ably teach others. And an inspirational teacher is what instils the enthusiasm in the first place. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 05:25, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, I guess we all are enthused by different things (or people). GrandSoviet 12:51, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Well-known WIGO reader DanH has taken it upon himself to mess with Phy's beau! Fuzzy has been so busy today I was thinking that Andy must have promised him a sysopship on conditions there's no tongues and no hands in underwear. <font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 15:47, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Java7837
An amazing number of category changes for a new editor. Could this be a sock of Jazzman831 trying a different route up Andy's backside the sysop proficiency league? <font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 12:08, 26 February 2008 (EST)

New Conservapedia About
How is CP going to "increase your...well being"? "Enjoy the benefits of new insights you never realized before?" Must have been written by the Department of Redundancy Department. PoorEd 12:06, 26 February 2008 (EST)

You're just snarky because you don't know what pretzels have their shape. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:14, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Busted! And I don't like the smell of snake oil. PoorEd 12:22, 26 February 2008 (EST)

BrianCo clearly not going along with the Reverse Boycott, it would seem. Hi BrianCo! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:42, 26 February 2008 (EST)

But Seriously, Folks..
The more I read CP, the more I come to believe that Andy isn't merely a bloviating jerk, but a guy with a genuine personality disorder of some sort. I realize that it's always perilous to try to diagnose somebody with limited information, but by now we should know Andy well enough to come up with a solid list of symptoms traits. Here's a start, off the top of my head: Time for a lunch break. Feel free to add to this list (or cut, or condense, as the case may be). There's plenty of grist for the mill in his list of "CP Terms", which strike me as his attempt to deflect criticism of what he perceives as his own shortcomings (best defense is a good offense, and all that).--WJThomas 12:28, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * devoid of empathy; he's clearly unable to see things from the perspective of another
 * intelligent (Princeton, Harvard Law, magna cum laude)
 * underachiever (Princeton/Harvard, prominent family/connections, but his biggest achievement is "teaching" a bunch of homeschoolers, and starting a half-wit wiki)
 * I'm lacking an appropriate term for this one, but he clearly worries that others are more accomplished than he, and needs to bring them down a notch or explain away their success (see Dawkins, Obama)
 * inability to admit error and/or a need to be right all the time
 * similarly, a need to win, even if he has to cheat (see contests)
 * takes pleasure in the pain of others, at least in some situations (school shootings)
 * a need to demonize his opponents
 * surrounds himself with yes-men
 * paranoia?
 * oversensitivity to (perceived) criticism
 * Actually, I've been entertaining the idea that Andy is a narcissist for some time now. The "underachieving" doesn't necessarily fit in with that, but that may just be a personality quirk not related to any diagnosis.  -- 13:12, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Actually, wouldn't 'politician' fit all of those traits? Damn, no, you put 'intelligent' in there. 172.189.161.11 14:21, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Most politicians have some degree of empathy - it is necessary to connect with those who support them. California has had two movie star governors (one who went on to be president).  Minnesota had a wrestler (I really wanted to see California vs Minnesota governors get it on in the square circle).  How many senators have said "if I knew then what I know now..."?  I honestly have yet to see any politician in the past two decades take pleasure in the suffering of others (making their opponents squirm maybe, but not hurting someone).  Demonization is part of any group.  I don't know the structure of political cabinets well enough to say yes men bit.  I don't think Arrnold is paranoid or oversensitive to criticism. --Shagie 14:37, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * George Bush seems to have taken positive glee in ordering executions back in Texas. --Gulik 19:17, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * desperate for a friend, but eventually turns against anyone he has allowed into his inner circle at the mere hint of disagreement or criticism (or is this just paranoia?).
 * expends an enormous amount of time and energy constructing an environment that will support a fragile new reality he has created following what appears to be mid-life crisis --PoorEd 13:07, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * One word, based on the above list of traits: Nixon. (Bush running a distant 2nd) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  14:41, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I'd add:


 * impulsive (creates articles/invents terms/responds to criticism without proper consideration)
 * inconsistent (thinking lacks rigour in general; will tolerate some criticism, lashes out at others)
 * favours short-term tactical gains (blocking, restricting rights, etc.) over mid to long-term strategic planning (retaining editors, expanding the user base, gaining support from other conservative sites)
 * lacks self-awareness, unreflective (keeps making the same mistakes)
 * radically oversimplifies complex subjects; struggles with nuance and detail

And I'd formulate your 4th point as:


 * doesn't take responsibility for own actions (rationalizes lack of success in terms of a perceived systemic bias against his political/religious views)
 * jealous (seeks to devalue achievements of others supposedly favoured by said bias)

It's the conversion to YEC that really fascinates me, especially so late in life. I've been sitting on this for a while now, but there was an Andrew Schlafly working as in-house counsel for AT&T who seriously cocked up in September '00. The litigation dragged on until early '04 and seems to have cost him his job well before then. I can't prove it's our Assfly, but it's the one thing I've found that might've acted as some kind of tipping point. Here's the docs for thems that can be arsed to wade through 'em: --Robledo 17:32, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * At the risk of sounding harsh, I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone who has any knowledge of Andy Schlafly could describe him as intelligent. I have read hundreds, possibly thousands of his edits on CP.  He is a half-wit.  Christ, he is said to have graduated magna cum laude in law from Harvard.  I have edited a number of his law definitions on CP and they are abysmal.  They would be given a fail mark at undergraduate level.  I don't know how he managed to get into Harvard and then to pass, let alone magna cum laude.  Frankly, I smell a rat.  --Horace 17:52, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * I've met a number of dolts who graduated from ivy league schools. The thing about the ivy league is that the schools are hard to get into, but once you're there, you do the work assigned, and with the rampant grade inflation that exists everywhere (but even more noticeably in the higher schools) you can get A's if you have a decent ability to study and retain information. If someone went to an ivy league school, what that says is that they had good grades in high school, or had some sort of foot in the door (Bush and Andy are probably pretty good examples). It does not make someone smart. Andy probably has a few talents that helped him, and a decent work ethic. Brilliance, I'm sure, was not in his arsenal. DickTurpis 18:01, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * I suspect he'd score pretty well on most standard measures of intelligence. That intelligence, however, has been subordinated to forever squaring a circle so it never gets chance to generate much in the way of insight or even sense. And he's a tool, personality-wise, which doesn't help either. --Robledo 18:37, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * "He does fit the profile, he's intelligent but an underachiever, alienated from his parents, has few friends...he's a classic case for recruitment by the Soviets!" Secret Squirrel 20:28, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * I've been getting the same sensation from watching his behavior. While earlier work of his was focused on usual conservative issues, they weren't as telling of anything more distinctly wrong with him.  His recent run of essays about the liberal versions of anything point toward a guy who is unable to think he's not being persecuted.  He's likely a very paranoid person in real life, and probably holds grudges for a long time. --Lardashe

What will possibly go on at CP once they read this...
Just found via Boing Boing: "2008 Home School Science Fair"

I can't wait until one of our lurking CP members drops this thing in Andy's lap. Cue the hilarious Breaking Opinion News headline! --Sid 18:28, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * ........aaaand we have contact! PFoster 20:09, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Really hoping Andy takes this Home School Science Fair and runs with it! --Jdellaro 20:12, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * They do actually read the sources eh... so, uh, you'll need a better one than that. >_> Uchiha KATON! 20:19, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * I tried to find a better one, but it's so hard to write about without mocking them. At least, that's the way it appears when I searched for "2008 Home School Science Fair."  Then again, perhaps some of those results weren't mocking but were actually serious and so ridiculous that I assumed it was a parody. Hmmm....--Jdellaro 20:22, 26 February 2008 (EST)

My grand plans for the Reverse Boycott are failing horribly - they pick shit up in minutes nowadays. But this offers us a new option - we should have a page with our own suggestions for them of extremely conservative news items. That way we can help them with their research - which they're terrible at - and at the same time we can become a de facto alternate CP Main Page news items! Brilliant! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  20:18, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Why should we create their propaganda for them? Some of them CAN read, after all. --Gulik 20:22, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Well it would be amusing in the extreme if we could pull it off and essentially write their own front page for them. It wouldn't be hard, apart from having to dredge through muck like Michelle Malkin's schlocky blog all day long. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  20:23, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I like the thing about the broken motor. I'm sure none of the parts would serve any other purpose, such as a paperweight. Barikada 20:29, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * We had a load about this about a week ago, was it on according to? Or somewhere -there's a blog too - think it was Ames brought it up. Susan  Purrrrr  20:48, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Correct Susan, a link from Pharyngula - Angry by choice blog. It was in my "closet". [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 05:33, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I think you are referring to Ames' Essay:What Creationist Science Fairs Tell Us About Creationism. I actually used to hang around that mall a lot as a kid.  I would've been more respectful of the place if I knew I was walking on the hallowed future ground of the Creation Science Fair '08--Bayesyikes 10:45, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I wasn't trying to claim credit for the link, it was originally posted in According to Some People and I kept the link handy for myself. Ames followed up the original link with his diatribe skilfully crafted debunk. ;) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 12:18, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Oh, hey. First prize went to the Taylor Trail. Brilliant. Source Barikada 21:17, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * I tend to skip over all that crap but reading through your "Source" I was gobsmacked at the following quote that somebody posted:
 * "Dr John Baumgardner, a research scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, has suggested that circulating water inundating the continents may have formed giant whirlpools with dry floors near the center until late in the flood."
 * [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 13:06, 27 February 2008 (EST)

This Might Not Be Up Long
Felonious Unlawful Carnal Knowledge--Jdellaro 21:30, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nope, it's gone. Will a diff link work? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  22:08, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * I grabbed a screen print of it last night just in case it got deleted. I'll work on getting it uploaded and linked here when I get back home. --Jdellaro 07:30, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe try it as Felonious unlawful carnal knowledge in a few weeks. I think the uppercase was what got it kicked out. goes agin their MoS. Warren Terra
 * Even without an evident FUCK, it would've gotten deleted due to references to sex with minors, it should say "performing immoral activities with minors" or something. Or maybe that's what it said? I forgot NightFlareSpeak, mortal 10:31, 27 February 2008 (EST)

CPAdmin1
Why is Timmy acting rational? He is calling assfly out on the talk pages of teh librul articles.-- -PalMD -- 21:46, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Not exactly sudden. Look back to his summer vacation edits and from there on.  Contest 1 had some disillusionment and then speaking out from there on he's been calling all sysops on various topics of gross stupidity.  His edit history is refreshing to look at for a CP sysop.  --Shagie 22:04, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe he/she thought they were working on an "encyclopedia", not a liberal-bashing blog? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  22:07, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's one of the oldest admins on the site. Why hasn't the Dear Leader disciplined him?-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 22:10, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe because it would mean tacitly admitting he was "wrong" about promoting CPAdmin all that time ago, calling into question any subsequent promotions. Really, it's probably his famed inability to admit he is wrong at work.  -- 23:24, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Timbo tried to initiate a more civilised, less arbitrary blocking policy way back in April '07. He's always demonstrated a pretty strong grip on the idea of fairness as far as I can remember. Every now and then it gets too much for him and he speaks out. The talk page makes interesting reading for those wanting a trip down memory lane - TK's in particularly fine form. ;) --Robledo 09:47, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Several of the less sycophantic long-term members are starting to call assfly on his bullshit now, cpadmin1 and PJR spring to mind. It's just too obvious he's jumped off the deep end with Liberal this and Hollywood that to ignore. He still has a hard core of loyal sycophants like Crock o'shite and Karajou to watch his back though. If the croc-meister turns out to be a deep cover vandal, he'll really be up the creek though. -- 09:59, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I think the "liberal" articles means that CP has officially jumped the shark. And I would not be shocked to see Crocoite turn out to be a deep cover vandal.  More Richard than MexMax though.- 10:09, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * If that's the case then Patricia was a work of pure genius. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 12:25, 27 February 2008 (EST)

CP hierarchy
I'm trying to work out the details of the CP hierarchy and what it means. Unlike Wikipedia, which gives most of the basic special powers in one fell swoop with promotion to sysop, Andy gives them out piecemeal, and in a sort of counterintuitive order. At what point does one become a sysop, or is it just a title? At WP, the main things that come with adminship are block, delete, and protect (rollback is now much more easily granted, and the newer "undo" which everyone has is almost the same thing). Everyone over there has upload and (obviously) "night time editing". At WP, block is considered one of the most significant powers, because it is open to so much abuse, but Andy seems to grant it to every Tom, Dick, and Iduan. That's clearly a major difference in how things are run at the two sites; WP takes blocks pretty seriously, while CP hands out infinite bans like candy, with a block first and ask questions later (literally) mentality. So, which power does Andy seem to grant last, presumably beibg considered the most significant? I'd think night editing would be an easy one, but it seems to be the one Iduan wants the most, and isn't getting. Is it protect? Not so much for the protect option but the unprotect, which allows their walled gardens to be infiltrated? Their choices say a lot about them. DickTurpis 10:35, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * In another more telling way...That Schlafly turns off editing overnight (United States Eastern time) speaks volumes about his "faith" in his deity, Who vouchsafe's His Holy Word but won't lift a finger to make sure Andy's little blog isn't reduced to smoldering ruins by a nightly, eight hour wandalfest; it also doesn't speak well for Schlafly's respect (or lack thereof) for Australians PJR and Jallen's abilities to keep vandals in check.
 * No, this is mainly about Schlafly's love of micromanaging his blog (into oblivion?). Warren Terra 11:53, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * CP has crippled editor powers to the max. New editors can edit for about 12-15 or so hours per day, and that's it. The currently sysop-exclusive powers are "move", "delete", "rollback" and "protect". Block, edit, upload are available to other editors. Additionally, I'm pretty sure that sysops don't have the CAPTCHA thing every time they add an external link. And from what I heard, the CAPTCHA also kicks in during Undo operations (but not during Rollbacks).
 * You're right, of course, CP has a very odd sense of priorities there, especially the "block rights easier than edit rights" gig. But it makes sense when you consider that Andy's greatest fear is not "Somebody went crazy and blocked people who can't unblock themselves" (After all, there are three sorts of users on CP: Those with block rights, those who will soon get block rights, and those who will be blocked sooner or later, anyway). No, Andy is afraid that somebody slips in non-approved information or edits/deletes his Postulations of Absolute Truth in articles. --Sid 12:20, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Exactly. Andy needs as many gestapo monitoring the site as possible to remove liberal deceit before it korrupts the hum skoolerz. PoorEd 14:38, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Naughty Gregor
Compare: 9/10ths of CP's Traveling Salesman with WP's version. Susan Purrrrr  11:45, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Susan, I believe it was posted by the same person at CP and WP. One of the images at WP  (I haven't checked them all) was posted by a Gregor Kjellström and the invisible image links on CP come from a personal web-page for a certain Gregor Kjellström who professes to be an evilutionist. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 12:40, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ah - err - Yes, but he should have stated his ownership. (well researched GK!) Susan  The Earth Moved  12:51, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Wow (Wikipedia police)
I stay away from CP/RW 5 days and, well, as the OP said: wow. Editor at RWSchumi on Ducati? 13:16, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's especially wowing when you consider that this Cabal The Ten the Secret Police was conjured into existence to justify Andy's excessive question/exclamation marks!!!!!!!! Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Sid 13:19, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * That entry should be included in the CP Hall of Fame. I love the end of the entry, "The average age of the Wikipedia police is probably between 15 and 17 years old." Friggin HILARIOUS!


 * I love how Andy keeps trampling his own rules with things like the "probably between x and y". In this case: "Must be verifiable, and also cite sources" --Sid 13:51, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * This might be a new height of Andy-dom. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום


 * I'd say this actually deserves it's own RW article. Or at least be preserved in the Andy article here.  -Smyth 16:37, 27 February 2008 (EST)

The best part is that it's a classic case of the pot calling the refrigerator black:

The Conservapedia police, or "adminstrators", is a group of almost entirely anonymous editors who quickly censor material that undermines their belief systems, or that they just find inconvenient. This police has virtually no accountability to anyone and applies a complex set of rules in a completely one-sided manner. They almost never have user names reflecting their real names, and often operate under childish or anti-intellectual user names. The average IQ of the Conservapedia police is probably between 15 and 17. DickTurpis 14:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)

At least he's trying... NightFlareSpeak, mortal 21:57, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Gee, that's rich. One "source" is Conservapedia (and completely bogus), and one is a meaningless statistic stating nothing more than the obvious fact that the vast majority of accounts on WP (as any website involving registration) are inactive. 1400 editors do 3/4 of the edits. That's not bad, really. On CP I bet 8 editors do 75% of the editing. DickTurpis 22:43, 27 February 2008 (EST)

RIP, Bill
CP headline broken news really missed big on this one. Conservative icon William F. Buckley, Jr. has passed away. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  13:56, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, it's been about their only actual "news" item for the past hour or so. DickTurpis 14:00, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * It wasn't there when I posted the above (I checked first). But whodathunkit, someone at CP must be, um, listening to the same radio station I am! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:02, 27 February 2008 (EST) (although, the diff does show it being posted at about noon EST, so maybe I was blinded by the right)

Subtlety is all
What wasted talent Susan  The Earth Moved  14:50, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Iduan is Gone
"Aschlafly (blocked 'User:Iduan' with an expiry time of 5 years: you have some explaining to do)"--Jdellaro 14:54, 27 February 2008 (EST) linky Susan  The Earth Moved  14:54, 27 February 2008 (EST) Although precisely why? contribs Anyone explain? Susan The Earth Moved  14:57, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Hopefully when Iduan "explains" to Napoleon, it'll trickle out to the rest of the plebes as well. --Jdellaro 14:59, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Wow, listed on 3 different pages in one minute. Anyway, I was looking for what it was Iduan had to explain, and didn't see anything. Probably Andy's inability to read diffs. Wouldn't be surprised if he's back in a few minutes, actually. DickTurpis 15:00, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Or could it be that Assfly's finally wised up? DickTurpis 15:02, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * There's some stuff about a recommendation on Schlafly's talk page. Might have something to do with it. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:05, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * (EC) Ditto: There was some mention at Andy's talk page of a "recommendation" that IDuan's teacher (?) was supposedly sending to Andy. Maybe it turned out not to be as convincing as the sysop-wannabe had hoped? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:06, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Maybe it was actually a trick on Iduan! If you have a "teacher" that means you are in "school"...and sysops have to be homeskoolz!!! --Jdellaro 15:08, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Building on the recommendation that was mentioned, in academia letters of recommendation tend to be private between the person sending and the person receiving. The person who it is about does not see it nor approve of it (I know of several professors who refuse to send ones the student asks for if the student wants to see it).  Mayhaps the teacher chewed Andy out on what he is 'teaching' at conservapedia? --Shagie 15:10, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Eh. Iduan still got Block rights (and thus the right to unblock himself), so this is little more than a "We need to talk" tap on the shoulder. My prediction is that all will be back to whatever passes as normal on CP in a few hours and that Iduan will just wave away all questions about it with something like "No, Conservapedia is still the bestest site in the Universe. Andy had good reason to do this because he is never wrong, but all misunderstandings are resolved now." --Sid 15:16, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Iduan always seemed to be a reasonable editor, but then transformed into a fawning Gollum-like creature determined to get his "precious" rights. Andy has probably fallen for all of Iduan's ass-licking and pretending to be a right-wing, fundy, nutter, fellow-traveller so decided to ask for a reference before finally giving him the dark powerz. Iduan's teacher has probably said what a nice kind liberal boy he is. Not quite what Andy was looking for. Knowing how Andy doesn't like admitting that he got something wrong he's probably spitting feathers at being deceived. As to unblocking himself, I have never tried it, but can you do it if you are logged out? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 15:24, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, when you're logged out, obviously not. But once Iduan (using his block-enabled account) sees this, he would have the power to unblock himself. See some of the past wheel wars (Jazz/MexMax recently, TK/Conservative a good while ago, Richard/whoever way before that) for examples of people unblocking themselves. However, this is more of a hypothetical situation since Iduan would only unblock himself to reply to Andy, if at all. He wouldn't be so stupid as to simply undoing the block and ignoring the looming cloud of "EXPLAIN THYSELF!". --Sid 15:32, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * He certainly knows about unblocking him self when PJR's watchdog bit him. Wonder what ever happened to that project - it was a great way to stop people from fixing categories and pages? --Shagie 16:03, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * He unblocked himself! Just so he can ask. And then reblocked himself! [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 16:04, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * OK, so "someone" just happened to hack the teacher's email account just when an email should have been sent to Aschlalfy and it was all a big mistake. :( [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 16:20, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh noes! The public humiliation of it all. Iduan stripped of all rights except for some old team membership. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 16:34, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * But he aint coming back no mo. Susan  The Earth Moved  16:33, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nothing? Stripped of rights? Temporal Godspeed? Permanent Godspeed? Memory hole? What will happen next? Place your bets! NightFlareSpeak, mortal 16:37, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * I suspect this will put a damper on his likelihood of becoming a sysop at 25k articles. --Shagie 16:37, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * The final insult - Andy's gonna pray for him![[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 16:41, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I really wish there was some way to prove that when Andy say's that he'll pray for someone, it's total BS. I have no doubt it is. 95% sure at least. DickTurpis 17:13, 27 February 2008 (EST)

I'll pray for Andy too.--Iduan 17:20, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * It's OK, Iduan, you're amongst friends here.  We'll take care of you.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  17:25, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Real? Sterilexx 17:33, 27 February 2008 (EST) Ne'er mind. See User:Iduan Sterilexx 17:38, 27 February 2008 (EST)

The boyfriend's gone
But for how long? Susan  The Earth Moved  15:42, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hah, I wigo'd, you wigo talk'd! I think he'll be back as soon as Aschlafly comes back on.  As we've seen, his nepotism > principles.- 15:43, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * That'a a little unfair, Ames. It's quite likely that nepotism is one of his principles. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:47, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yah, after kettlek's last two blocks we have "Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) unblocked Kektklik (contribs) (mistake)" and "Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) unblocked Kektklik (contribs) (mistaken block)", so there :P <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  15:49, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nepotism is a time-honored conservative principle. PoorEd 16:08, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nepotism is firmly rooted in family values. --Shagie 16:24, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * What are the odds on Fuzzy being the next sysop? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 17:04, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Can he even trust those he knows in real life? Or are we reduced to the voices in his head phase? Kirkburn 20:07, 27 February 2008 (EST)

This got me banned for five years...but it was totally worth it...
I hate to WIGO my own wandalism, but this was fun to do... PFoster 16:32, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nicely PF! Susan  The Earth Moved  16:35, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * So it was you who suggested this. I had wondered if it was a sock.  (Truth be told, I didn't.  I'm very unassuming, so I tend not to pick up even on not-so-subtle sockpuppets.)  -- 17:08, 27 February 2008 (EST)

More on fascism
teh assfly's latest rant is quite typical of the anti-intellectualism that characterizes fascism. -- -PalMD -- 18:28, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ehh, that's not new. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 18:54, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Ohhh the Sweet Taste of Irony
From the WIGO currently on top about "Liberal Friendship", this may be the best part of Andy's entire response: "You're 'sources' for that ungrammatical claim" Oh irony, how I love it when you come out and play! &mdash; Unsigned, by: Jdellaro / talk / contribs


 * Nice catch. I'd read it a few times, but when teh assfly goes grammstal I usually ignore it.  By the way, the "sources" THEY offered him included the KJV and Shakespeare.  I found THEIR arguments quite compelling.  I hope, that if Andy 90/10 banhammered THEM, THEY come here and play instead! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  21:24, 27 February 2008 (EST)

RobS
What ever happened to that guy? He hasn't blocked me since Xmas. Czolgolz 23:28, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Last we heard he was trying to whip some company into shape or something. Or maybe that was just cover for being fired and being busy looking for a job? PoorEd 10:28, 28 February 2008 (EST)

"belittle minorities"?
What exactly does the edit have to do with this? TmtamesP 00:48, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Dump-on-Obama-rama began as a racist binge. No reason to suggest that it's not continuing as the same.- 00:49, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ah, some sensationalist spin to suit your sites purposes. Splendid. TmtamesP
 * A read-through of their Obama article relies pretty much on the foundation that all of Obama's achievements are because of Affirmative Action. Harvard Law Review? Racial Quotas.  Winning primaries? Whites feeling guilty over slavery.  Nothing that he can do, as a liberal black Senator, cannot be explained, according to CP, as anything more than affirmative action.  It's an attempt to belittle ANY Democrat, and in this instance, they do it using his race, and suggesting that any black on the left side of the aisle has gotten their through affirmative action, rather than their own intelligence and abilities. --Jdellaro 09:41, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * This is why the Republicans are hoping and praying to their god that Hillary finds a way to pull it out of the fire: they know how to go after her - going after Clintons is what they do best. Going after Obama, they will need to be careful that criticism of him does not appear to be racist in content, as is the case in Andrew Schlafly's article. Is Schlafly a racist? His hard-on for "Quiet" Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice would suggest that he is able to see the "right" kind of black person in a good light - part of me still thinks his opposition to Obama is more ideologically-motivated than racially-motivated, until I read that damn "affrimative action" sentence. Any CPers reading this should try to convince him for his own sake to take it out. As with all politicians, Obama is attackable on so many fronts...why rely on the one that is most easily refuted and that makes the attacker look like an ass? PFoster 09:50, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Andy has defended his AA statement. He is not going to change it. In his world it is an immutable (and almost as significant) as Gods law. 204.248.28.194 10:09, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Andy's made a statement about Alcoholics Anonymous? That would explain a great deal.  <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">--Edgerunner  <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">76[[Image:Buddy christ.jpg|50px]] 10:44, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Since his supposed conversion to conservatism, Andy has not once changed his mind about anything. Nobody seriously denies this. Lurker 11:40, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I don't think Andy ever "converted" to conservatism, he was born that way. The only conversion I am aware of is from old-earth to young-earth creationist.[[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 12:31, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I always suspect that comment of his about having been an "evolutionist" for most of his life, then being convinced. Personally, it sounds more realistic that he didn't think about it at all until it became a black/white issue for political reasons, then he wholeheartedly jumped in the direction he was told to. --Kels 12:24, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I couldn't remember if he had only "converted" to YEC, or if it was conservatism in general. Either way I don't believe him for one minute when he says he hasn't always been this way. I think you hit the nail on the head, Kels. Lurker 14:21, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * The reason why the Obama article makes the attacker look like an ass is because it was written by a class A ass. That class A ass will never admit he got it wrong so its going to stay. Much as is the rest of the ass stuff at CP - the assworthy encyclopedia. Auld Nick 10:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * I'd be lying if I said I looked thoroughly, but I haven't seen anyone report the results of a schlafly+obama google search. The quote on obamawatch, from a year ago, is amusing/enlightening. Put together the fact that the NYT apparently talked to him, but didn't include him in the article (it should also turn up in your search, even though schlafly isn't in it) nor place him in the "where are they now" photo, combined with other things he's said, and it's (imo) a better case for jealousy than racism. Although both can be true, naturally. 64.122.203.146 11:08, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Per the bit above about Andy liking Thomas and Rice, he's cool with the "house negroes", as the late Steve Gilliard used to say. He just don't like them uppity types who stray from the true path. --Kels 11:13, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I imagine Andy's creed is that "a liberal Negro is a bad Negro." Of course, that applies to all liberals, but only more so to the affirmatively actioned. PoorEd 14:47, 28 February 2008 (EST)

I am glad that so many of you are having fun with this, but no one has answered my question. What does the edit in question have to do with belittling minorities? TmtamesP 14:53, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * I'll use small words: it's hard to pick on Obama without looking like you're picking on blacks. Because Andy's first crtiticsm of Obama was racially-motivated (you with me so far?) EVERYTHING he says about from Obama from here on in will be tainted by that. It's his own fault for playing the race card...PFoster 14:59, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I will ignore your bad attitude, and ask what was his first criticism?
 * Cheer up, go play in the park or something. Remember, "Whoever is happy will make others happy, too." TmtamesP 15:06, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * My dear fellow, do you really see nothing amiss about stating that a highly accomplished black person can only have gotten where he is due to preferential treatment? Now, if he said that Affirmative Action aided Obama in his successes, he might have a case, but instead he tries to make the case that Obama, without being elevated to where he is by an evil liberal cabal, is incapable of accomplishing much of anything. DickTurpis 15:06, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Commenting out Dick's Comment
Read the original from the cut-and-paste fest and read the new version: the first sentence, the butt of the joke, was added by Bethany. PFoster 11:38, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yeah, but the wholesale theft and copyright infringement is worth noting too, no? And it's not like that article was well-written to begin with. DickTurpis 11:52, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * True - t be honest, I stopped reading after the first sentence: that was enough for me...PFoster 11:55, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Well, copy-pasting within CP is technically not violating anything (as per CP's own copyright terms), but it's idiotic and definitely not the way to move an article (which is what she wanted to do) - I think one of the Guidelines covers this, even. It's doubly ironic because she is one of the few users who actually has the user rights to properly move an article. --Sid 14:27, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Pretty sure it's not allowed under GFDL, as it removes attribution to the proper author. But CP's policies seem to be a mishmash of whatever Andy wants it to be. Since admins can do no wrong, I'm sure everything is A-OK. DickTurpis 14:35, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Well, CP doesn't use GFDL because it's "too restrictive". :P They basically use "The moment it enters our servers, you lose ALL author rights". If they played by GFDL rules (assuming that those apply to single accounts and not the entire site - keep in mind that the WP page mirrors most likely don't have to reproduce the entire edit history, and you can simply say "This snippet is from WP" without saying specifically what editors wrote it), the entire "Reset pagecount by deleting page and recreating it from scratch with empty history" actions would get a completely new dimension of WTF. ;) --Sid 16:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Previous course
Someone (I think it was Sid) made a reference to a previous Supreme Court course. There hasn't been one though, has there? All I ever saw was two laughable "lectures". And of course there's this page, which is classic because the very first question he addresses is about a term he made up himself. Twice! (A widely discussed question, to be sure). I think this is the same thing he's been trying to get off the ground for more than half a year (along with Critical Thinking in Math) but to no avail. DickTurpis 11:52, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I admit my memory is foggy (and I never really paid much attention to Andy's super-ultra courses), but I had been under the impression that there had been a course... lemme dig... OH DEAR GOD YOU'RE RIGHT. *jaw drops* This monster has been "upcoming" ever since AUGUST? Argh, I had given Andy too much credit. Commented out my remark from the WIGO entry accordingly. --Sid 14:24, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Hum Skoolerz
I've known some very bright and well-educated university graduates who were home-schooled for 9 or 10 years (in a non-Christian-fundamentlist background), so I'm wondering if we shouldn't put down home schoolers as a group, and refer more pointedly to "Andy's hohm schoolrz". PoorEd 12:25, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * See User talk:Mia Zagora Susan  The Earth Moved  12:29, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Manchester Guardian? What century are these people living in? It reminds me of when several of them thought the UK still used shillings. I guess London pea-soupers remain a popular stereotype as well. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 12:37, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * D'you know I read that & it went straight over my head. Was it 1966 they lost the Manchester? Susan  The Earth Moved  12:40, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wikipedia says 1959. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 13:00, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yanks don't understand about newspapers that are sold in more than one city, hence "Manchester Guardian", "London Times", etc. -- 21:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)

User "Sheisssturm" (look it up in a German dictionary--CP'ers are so clueless)
What the heck is that supposed to mean? You are clueless if you don't have a German-English dictionary at your desk? You are clueless if you don't try to search for every name you see in the user creation log? Or you are clueless if you don't know German? Or if you don't know German swear words? Or if you weren't signed on when the guy created his account? Please, englighten me, I'm dying to know! Lurker 14:33, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, please don't tell it. Let's see if it really dies! PoorEd 14:44, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * You exemplify the superior attitude that makes this site no better than CP.Ghost of TK 15:01, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hee hee hee. If a ghost says it, it MUST be true. Lurker 15:02, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Angels and ministers of grace protect us! / Be you a spirit of health or a goblin damned? -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:09, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I think he's the ghost of Conservapedia Past. : )  -- 15:16, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I wonder what the ghost of Conservapedia Future looks like, then. Oh, that's right, it doesn't have a future. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:17, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Speaking of futureless endeavors, what ever happened to the conservapedia column? (or whatever it was called) TmtamesP 15:20, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * It died, mostly because I lost interest and got more important things to do with my precious life. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:22, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Like posting here, or debunking new chronology? TmtamesP 15:24, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Exactly! Now you understand! -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 16:12, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * The Ghost of CP Future looks EXACTLY like the Ghost of CP Past, only with less liberals. That's because everything was better before those DAMNED LIBERALS started ruining everything. --Gulik 15:33, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * While I don't think the entry is overly entertaining (it's just a silly name, and it got banned), I think you're overplaying the drama, Lurker. In this case, it's seriously not TOO hard to see, especially since the two parts are extremely similar to their English translations. The word should make any normal CP Enforcer go "...wait", at least long enough to do further research (or to simply issue an "I don't like the way your name looks" bans). Furthermore, CP sysops are very busy patting their own shoulders for their great detective work (especially in SDG, but also in public, see for example Kara's interrogations and comparison of IP2Location data with claimed residence), so overlooking such an obvious name deserves to be mocked. We just hold CP up to the oh-so-high standards they claim to have. *shrug* --Sid 15:29, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * PS: This is a problem CP created itself. There had been plenty of people from all over the world volunteering to help CP roughly a year ago. They had patrolled for vandalism around the clock, they would have been able to recognize such names with ease. Then, Andy decided that they're all evil liberals who are up to no good, and they all got banned. Having to lock down the site every day and not being able to recognize two common German words that are etymologically similar to their English counterparts are some of the consequences. --Sid 15:42, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I apologize for the confusion or discomfort that this caused. What I meant was that the CP name police, who are always so vigilant about people not using their real names (you know, the ones like Karajou and Crocoite) maybe ought to have looked it up.  They showed their carelessness by not doing so.  I didn't mean to offend people here.  I know very little German, just enough to know that it means "shitstorm".
 * BTW, I have no idea where "kektklik" comes from. Maybe the same thing in Icelandic????
 * Gauss 15:46, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ok I was a little overdramatic (ok, maybe a lot overdramatic), but I don't really think it's all that unreasonable that nobody noticed, and "clueless" seems to mean "OMG how can nobody on CP know any German?" which is largely irrelevant. A lot of times, if you aren't looking for something sinister you just won't see it. And if you don't know Germam, it's really not that unreasonable to not recognize the name. I guessed it had "shit" in it, but though only after it was pointed out here, and I had to look it up to find out the whole word.
 * Now, if he had actually made more than 1 edit, I would agree with you all the way. But in this case, he was only on the recent changes twice ever (thrice if you include his block, I guess). Lurker 15:57, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * PS: Sid, you always analyze the situation so well and make me feel guilty for being snarky! Lurker 15:58, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm surprised to hear that you think there isn't always someone on CP looking for something sinister. Maybe ya'll are a little short-handed without RobS, but really! PoorEd 16:01, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Of course the failure to recognize some basic German swearwords (do they never listen to what those Nazis are saying in war films?) exemplifies the inward-looking nature of Conservapedia. However, I'm quite sure if Fox had been around he would have noticed it like a shit shot. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 16:05, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Weekday afternoons (Eastern time) are always pretty dead. Lurker 16:08, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * You wrote: "if you aren't looking for something sinister you just won't see it" - Like PoorEd said: There is always somebody on CP, looking for something sinister. It's what defines the place these days. Just look at the core sysops when they're on Evil Patrol on a slow day. Especially Karajou often decides to randomly warn and x-ray anybody who looks suspicious to him. And we all know how quick sysops are with the banhammer when there is the slightest hint of foul play. That's exactly why it stands out to have an odd name go unchecked until it actually does something "evil".
 * And hey, analyzing stuff is what I do so the bureaucrats keep throwing food into my cage when I'm bored ;) --Sid 16:29, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'd agree with you, but there was nobody there to see it at the time. I'm sure if Karajou were there he would have immediately seen that it was the same user who had just been blocked, but he wasn't. Lurker 16:49, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * The CP police didn't use a German dictionary here either. Enjoy! Auld Nick 20:28, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Java7837 - Categorization ANIMAL!
He's had too much coffee, and is rampaging through The Trustworthy Encyclopedia, working on categories. And why shouldn't he? After all, he likes Democrats, as long as they don't use misinformation. But is this really a categorisation improvement?
 * "oppose liberal misinformation" So, does he like Conservative misinformation? Barikada 19:01, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with that. Perfectly acceptable! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  19:11, 28 February 2008 (EST)

WP misrepresentations (surprise, surprise)
Anyone have any ideas where they got the numbers for ? I was running some numbers on userbox transclusions, but it got too difficult as there's no easy way to count the number of pages any template appears on, and there's no way to know whether people have two separate userboxes (ie Christian and Catholic) and are being counted twice. In any case, it seems I got well over 789 Christians when counting up all the different templates. I fully realize that they are going to make shit up and pretend it's the word of God, but I'd like to see them at least try to explain it. DickTurpis 16:55, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * The image you link to was posted by Wahrheit who appears to have suddenly stopped editing while Java7837 has suddenly started on this mad rampage to reorganize categories without any sort of discussion. I suspect that they are one and the same.  Particularly as Java made a comment about religious affiliation on the Examples of Bias in Wikipedia talk page. Java says s/he added categories to Wikipedia atheist userboxes to get a better count of how many atheists there are. I just checked this and the category additions were made by someone from the University of Texas at San Antonio (IP lookup).  However, were all other religious userboxes tagged in a similar way? Well not by Java7387 they weren't (b: 3 July 1987? just the right age to be at university). So the data has been well skewed - no wonder creation science fairs are so laughable. I guess you could do the same for other religious user boxes to even things up but I would suggest reverting after you have done your count as in my experience WP dislikes a lot of user categories. However, in the great scheme of things at WP only 1508 professed atheists is a drop in the ocean.  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 17:45, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * wp:Category:Wikipedians by religion maybe?Shangrala 17:28, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Actually I'm doing some counting right now and I'm only up to Protestant and up to well over a thousand. Granted this includes some minor overlap for pages like User/boxes.Shangrala 17:36, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Actually scratch that, this is a pain in the ass.Shangrala 17:41, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Were you actually counting or just taking the total number of pages that are quoted for each category/sub-category? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 17:53, 28 February 2008 (EST)

I concur, Shangrala, which is why I gave up too. If they are using just those categories, then they certainly are getting a skewed result. As for me, I was going to each userbox and getting a rough count of the number of pages they were transcluded on, based on how many pages of 50 they took up. As for the categories in the link Shagrala provided, it looks to me like there are 15 different atheist userboxes that will categorize their users, but only one of the dozens of Christian ones will do the same. I don't think there is any way to get an accurate count of how many editors use these userboxes, much less get accurate results for the overall population. But I guess that's why God made Conservapedia:Schlafly Statistics. DickTurpis 17:56, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * It doesn't help when even CP sysops like TerryH(Temlakos), Geo.plrd(Thedagomar) and RSchlafly(Schlafly) make no statement of faith through a userbox. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 18:03, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Also Java7387(WP) has created an atheist user box on one of his sub-pages which is included in the list of atheist wikipedians even though he declares himself to be an orthodox jew. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 18:28, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * OK I counted them all out and excluding the minnows (five or less) there are 1823 self-professed users of Christian userboxes. Some may use more than one user box but that also applies to atheists. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 18:41, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wow. That is dedication. I hope you didn't hand count those one by one. DickTurpis 20:06, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * No. Where it says Pages in category "Some sort of religion", it says below "There are XXX pages in this section of this category". [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 02:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)

From the archives
Not sure how to WIGO this but I present it here for general lulz.


 * 18:02, 8 Oct 2007 - Ken inserts homophobic stuff into TK's Fox News article.
 * 18:59, 8 Oct 2007 - TK tells him to get lost
 * 00:36, 26 Nov 2007 - TK de-sysopped
 * 20:40, 28 Nov 2007 - Jallen blocks TK as he "has left and never coming back".
 * 20:50, 28 Nov 2007 - Ken starts reinserting his homophobia

<font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 17:04, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * How about putting it in "best of" under the appropriate date region? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  17:15, 28 February 2008 (EST)

BrianCo's Parody
Boy does this story say a lot. When Schlafly writes it it's fine, but this guy is a parodist. I guess you have to prove yourself to be a big enough lunatic before you can write articles of this "quality". Also, anyone notice that the articles weren't removed? Expect Schlafly to swoop in with his "improvements" soon. Slightly shift around the words of their parodist and add even more ridiculous claims and it becomes a full fledged part of the greatest dis information source on the Interwebs. --<font color="#000080" face = "monotype corsiva">BillOhannity <font color="#ff3300" face = "monotype corsiva">godvelocity. 18:13, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's a parodist, but you're right, his articles are still there. I like this edit too. The guy fancies himself Colonel Pride. DickTurpis 18:47, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Somebody is testing my hypothesis. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 18:57, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh I'm not doubting that he's a parodist, I just think it's interesting that he can say the same crap as Schlafly and be criticized for it. --<font color="#000080" face = "monotype corsiva">BillOhannity <font color="#ff3300" face = "monotype corsiva">godvelocity. 20:01, 28 February 2008 (EST)