Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive116

Boycott
So does anyone know exactly how much traffic percentage-wise that CP is losing?DSFARGEG 14:30, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * This interests me, too. Also, how many of us are actually observing the boycott?  I am.  Madeleinebiscuits 18:00, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I pretty much am - I did check out the NJ education application thing way above here though. Thing is, "killing" WIGO CP" takes away the easy feed.  I'm sure when the 'cott ends we'll see a flurry of a week's worth of items added.  When's it end, anyway?  Tomorrow, right?  ħ uman  18:09, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I suspect fairly few are observing it, and I would be surprised to see any drop beyond the regular fluctuation. 18:14, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * It does make it all seem a bit pointless if CP can celebrate hardly any change in their traffic despite our advertised boycott. Madeleinebiscuits 18:58, 15 February 2009 (EST)

If it's about the Alexa traffic rank, here's an alternative idea: for a certain period, all RW users install the Alexa toolbar on Firefox or IE, and navigate CP as much as possible. Then, at a coordinated moment, all users disable/uninstall the toolbar simultaneously. This should cause a noticable upward and then downward spike in the Alexa statistics. Announce it beforehand on the wiki, so that there is proof that it was caused by RW. (If you are worried about privacy, install the Alexa toolbar into a separate profile, which you can nuke after the action.) --79.7.238.140 21:02, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Way too much work. The idea is sound, but I doubt you would get even 10% of the people who use RW to check out CP to follow along in your plan. --GTac 22:16, 15 February 2009 (EST)

I don't know about the traffic, but the editing seems way down. Without the socks over there stirring things up, things are kind of dead. --Too tired to log in 22:30, 15 February 2009 (EST)


 * Things have been quite here too. I think the truth is we and CP need each other, without our socks they have no editors and without their lulz we have no editors. So interesting to discover on Valentine's day weekend that RationalWiki and Conservapedia have become dependent on each other. - User   22:38, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's not the socks, it's WIGO CP. It is many people's - and not just people here - go to place for CP laughs.  Take it away, it kills half our traffic, but not so much theirs, since the socks and monitors still keep up.  They just don't have a place to "report".  ħ uman  00:10, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * But if we need each other, what will we do when ASchlafly either moves on or CP implodes? We have a greater purpose than just mocking CP, but if we die without them. . . --"CURtalk 22:47, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Shut up, CUR. OK, sorry, no, that was really the point of some early boycotts - to focus on the non-cp worldosphere, and see how we would do without them.  So, CUR, have you created any articles during the boycott?  (I haven't, but I wuz thunkin' of sum)  Obviously, if CP goes "down" (which I doubt it will for years), we lose our major draw of casual readers.  However, we do have good works here that also draw people in.  We just need more - even if their production is quasi-incidental to all the people coming here after getting blocked at CP, or laughing at them and going to WP, etc. etc.  ħ uman  00:10, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * CP-mocking on forums introduced me to this site, and initially I quite liked the idea of a wiki devoted to debunking bad science. I wanted to get involved. But I was instantly put off by articles like Goat. If I want silly shit like that I'll go to uncyclopedia. I feel it undermines the respectability of this wiki. I feel as though the silliness would be drawing edits away from serious, informative articles. That might not be true but I still get that impression very strongly.
 * It's a damn shame, because I thought this site would be an excellent base for targeting Britain's Daily Mail, which I reckon would get a far more thorough bashing here than it would on the forums of the current go-to Mail-bashing site, mailwatch.co.uk. I was tempted to make a start on it. But the silliness puts me right off. So instead I just lurk WIGO.194.6.79.200 05:15, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * The sillyness is just to avoid the humourless nature that is almost ubiquitous amongst the people that this wiki refutes. Most of that silly stuff is packed into a separate namespace. The snarky writing style is just to make the wiki more interesting than wikipedia which is extremely dry and balanced. But if you're not happy with something, edit it. It's a wiki afterall, that's the whole point.  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 07:51, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I suspect few would appreciate me editing out the silliness :P Now I have no problem with the snarkiness, in fact I love it; it's why I come here. But there's no snarkiness in the likes of Goat, it's just Uncyclopedic monkeycheesing randomness. 194.6.79.200 08:13, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * To be fair, Goat is just an in-joke coming from making the CP article on Goat one of the most viewed for a while. If the zoology project takes it over, then the sillyness will go and it'll get moved to the funspace. If you do find something that you think is too silly, just suggest it moving to the funspace.  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 08:16, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Chicken and egg I'm afraid. The goat article at CP was boosted because it was already an in-joke here, although I don't know why. Генгис    19:23, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * The goat has been our mascot since very early on, perhaps even dating to RW1. And, 194, considering there are probably only two such articles in the mainspace (cat is the other one), I think you perhaps protesteth too much.  ħ uman  20:31, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think it was basically the gag that we're all a bunch of evil atheists/satanists/pagans/evolutionists/homosexuals/whatever who were busy sacrificing goats all the time, and we just kinda ran with it. Goat narrowly beat out Helena Bonham Carter as our mascot, as I recall. --Kels 20:34, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Homework answers
Sorry for breaking the boycott rules, but apparently Andy graded the last batch of homework. It's not as hilarious as some of the other homework gradings, I think it's mostly due to the subject. There still are some gems though, my favorite one:


 * Explain the big advance in language mentioned in the lecture, which might have been even more significant than the invention of the wheel.
 * The big advance in language was the invention of vowels. People could then express themselves in written words more clearly.
 * Good again.

FULL CREDIT! Then again, I think the worst reduction he gave this time was -2 points total.. --GTac 22:43, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Gad. Because the Egyptians were just awful at expressing themselves. Oh yes, and the Babylonians. And the Hebrews (the Torah has no vowels). And the Aztecs. What an idiot. --"CURtalk 22:46, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Now, whatever happened to those dozens of homeworks that were forthcoming? Seems the world at large is missing out on learning about vowels and how important homeschooling was to Alexander's success!  Wait a minute... Alexander = Homeschooled.  Therefore Andy = Aristotle!  22:49, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Actually, I believe the lack of vowels in Hebrew was led to some ambiguity in some passages that exists to this day. Not much though. I'll have to weigh in on the side that says vowels in your alphabet is a useful thing to have. DickTurpis 22:52, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I can see why he thinks the bible needs correcting, in that case. He must just want to reinscribe its original ambiguity.  Madeleinebiscuits 06:27, 16 February 2009 (EST)

The most exciting of these is the "model answer" about whether Jesus taught in Greek. It's simply incomprehensible, and suggests that Jesus' teachings influenced Socrates. Chronology fail, but fundie win?-Diadochus 22:59, 15 February 2009 (EST) I have to say, from a linguists point of view that THIS FRICKING MAKES NO SENSE. From the statement itself, it suggests that vowels were invented for language, not *written* language. That is to say, apparently according to both Andy and this student, we all ran around saying gkdklwm grrrr rggrhhhh gkldm all day long. "the big advance in language" would mean something like "human's ability to abstract within the language" or perhaps "the use of the expressed copula", not fricking vowels. One does not "communicate" better due to more clear writing... one only communicates in WRITING better. Hello, andy, you are teaching your "students" who want to go to school, MY school, and takes classes, MY classes, and not get F's cause they fricking can't communicate clearly in writing, nor are they (by all appearances) capable of thinking logically and critically. ARRUGH. (see, two vowels). Save these pour souls from his insanity!--EnAttendantGodot 23:20, 15 February 2009 (EST)


 * Oh Andy never drew any distinction between a language and a writing system; I doubt he even understands there's a difference. Someone should run the concept of Yiddish by him. A Germanic language written in Hebrew letters??!?!?!!? His brain might a splode. DickTurpis 23:26, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Welcome to the club. I teach history, and the notion of one of these kids taking one of my classes after getting 100% for saying "Socrates founded the Academy" and "language is more important to success than laws" makes me shudder.  23:24, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * We seem to have a lot of teachers here, I was wondering how you would grade Andy's students and what would their marks be like? - User   23:34, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Jeese, I'm not sure how to respond, given that they're answering horrifyingly stupid questions, and they know they're expected to be brief and parrot to the extreme. I simply cannot mark a "what do you like" question, because it's not asking you to think. That said, from a quick runthrough, a dozen and a half, maybe two dozen of the answers are passable,  and several are quite good (remarkably, few of them are found in his "model answers.") At least half the class would fail, and the remaining marks would sit in the 60s-mid 70s.


 * Let's put it this way, Addison knows much, much more about classical society and history than Andy does. Andy misses egregious errors and oversimplifications, and marks down contrasting opinion, while giving full marks for "insight" when he admits the answer is totally wrong.  00:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * EDIT: Okay, remind me never to conclude before actually reading them all. Answer: "I admire Plato because he was the first to conceive the idea of a republican society in his book The Republic." Grade: "Excellent, may use as model."  Clearly, neither of them have ever read the Republic, nor know anything of its content.  I'm aghast, simply horrified.
 * Eight failures, four passes, and student two doesn't count. 00:09, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * Can't blame the student for not having read the Republic, but we sure as fuck can blame Andy for teaching shit is knows nothing about. I should probably read his lectures to know exactly what it is he's teaching these kids, but I'm not sure I can bring myself to do it. DickTurpis 00:15, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm fucking angry right now. Seriously angry.  I quote from the lecture: "Plato's greatest work was his book called "The Republic," which forms the foundation for the American republican system of government. The people typically do not vote directly on issues, but elect representatives who then cast hopefully more informed votes on legislation. In the ideal state of government imagined by Plato, philosophers ruled the country." Plato's Republic has no elections, no representatives, and has no relation to American government. It is aristocratic, autocratic, and in the view of some critics, tends toward totalitarianism.  00:25, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I only read parts of the Republic, 15 years ago in an intro philosophy class I never finished, but, yeah, that's sort of my memory of it. I recall hating the book, more or less. Didn't Plato condone basically outlawing songs written in minor keys because it would depress soldiers and make them worse fighters or something? Yeah, Andy, that's the basis for American Democracy. Is the rule by philosophers part correct, though? That at least sounds familiar, but I seem to recall it not sound like a good idea the way it was presented. DickTurpis 00:36, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, the philosopher kings is correct. 00:40, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Philosopher kings, you say. --Marty 02:38, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm not a teacher, but I agree with Publius; it's hard to grade answers when the questions are so stupid. Though, I would have to give some credit in these cases for realizing what answers were desired and acting accordingly. That doesn't demonstrate knowledge of history, but it does show they have some insight and survival instinct. DickTurpis 00:07, 16 February 2009 (EST)

also in the Republic children are taken away from their parents at a very early age. D-Rock D-Rock 01:57, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * You're missing the key point, though. it's got the word "republican" in it.  or or or... well something VERY close. It *doesn't* have the word "democrat" or "liberal" in it.   And I'm on point with everyone so far.  You cannot rate the quality of the student's answers when the questions are so loaded, the grading system so transparent, and the abject laziness of the teacher apparent.  Andy blatantly does not want "long winded sentences", and claims a fragment is often as useful as a completely formed, correctly written sentence with, you know, verbs, objects, subjects, clauses, conjunctions and all those silly, unnecessary punctuation marks that only get in the way.  "Andy: see my wonderful writing throughout this wiki as examples of how to really use the English Language to its artistic potential."   Worse, his answers/comments give no really critical analysis to aid a student in becoming a better thinker, writer, or student.--EnAttendantGodot 09:11, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * What an idiot. --"CURtalk 09:15, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Concerning the grading, I was really wondering if any of the students would get a bad grade. But that seems impossible. Also, did anyone else get the idea that the "correct" answer to "Who do you prefer, Plato, Socrates or Aristotle" was "Aristotle"? --GTac 11:20, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * These answers are the best/worst. It's quite obvious he's pretty much winging it on most answers, not really saying anything (except for a reference to 300). Yet with two minus points he get a near perfect 99/100. Obviously deserved, or are you going to deny that 10+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=99! --GTac 11:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * The correct answer was obvious answer D, ASchlafly. Honestly, these people are idiots. Especially teh fly, who can't grade a paper. --"CURtalk 12:41, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think it's been mentioned before, but isn't there an age range of a few years covered by the class? I had a vague (and thus quite possibly wrong) recollection that it might be something like 12-16 years, and given the difference in the level of some of the answers I could believe that. It was also hypothesised that there might thus be a difference in the marking scheme Assfly uses for different students, though even then I don't quite see how saying "I like all of them" can be worth, well, anything. I know the students can't help it if they get set inane questions, but still..... alt 13:15, 16 February 2009 (EST)

(unindent) Here are some of my favorite pieces from the model answers:
 * ... the Dog and the Wolf ... [is] one of my favorites. The moral is that is better to starve free than to be a fat slave. As an American, being free is one of the most important things to me, which is probably why I like this fable so much." (Anna). Free.. and fat!
 * ...Jesus brought back people from the dead. He could have preached in Greek if he wanted to. (Jonathan L.). Yeh Andy, don't be dissin on Jesus, that dude has mad powers.
 * I believe that Alexander's main asset and help was God's hand in his conquest. God was preparing the way for Jesus and making ready the world for Jesus to enter. Without God's help Alexander would have been nothing. (John F.) Of course, "goddidit" is the correct answer for any question!

And it's always a model answer if you manage to push conservative propaganda in a completely unrelated subject!:
 * ...He made this clear by issuing the Hippocratic Oath. It is very upsetting how modern doctors definitely ignore his oath for their own selfish gain.(Jenna N.)
 * ...They had brutal punishments, were often at war, were not averse to mutilating prisoners, made sacrifices to their gods, and many other practices that our culture today would find appalling. Yet even the pagan Greeks recognized that it was wrong to kill and unborn child. ... (Michelle F.)

Also, the biggest surprise is that the model answer to question 1 is not that the secret behind Alexander's enormous success is his homeschooling! Are you still adding questions, Andy, or are you feeling ill? This isn't like you at all! --GTac 14:16, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * How does the assfly keep students from copying each other's work? --"CURtalk 14:21, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Simple: Deceit is only used by liberals, so they'd never do something like that! --GTac 14:25, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Anybody want to take any guesses on how many of these kids will blame the "librul" college system on their underpreparedness rather than "Substitute Teacher of the Year" Andrew "Peggy" Schlafly? NetharianCubicles are prisons! 14:54, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, the Ancient Greeks didn't like abortion. They preferred to have the wife give birth, then leave the kid on a hillside for the wolves.  --Gulik 02:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Let's not forget Archimedes death ray, mes amis. Andy must not watch Mythbusters. Stile4aly 01:57, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Homework Marking and Xenophobia
(In response to Alt above): Difference in marking schemes? You bet there is. I created ReneeStJ to do a bit of testing with his marking of an outsider. The answers I gave ranged from scanty to poor, with a number of errors (Andy didn't catch many), but typically well within the range of his normal homescholar answers. The result? His marking is much more snarky, marking down for things like not being specific, vaguely and innocently disagreeing with his pet theories, daring to like the architecture of the Mall, and suggesting that Socrates chose to die (Andy has evidently never read The Crito). However, I feel the sample is far too small to draw conclusions from. Are any other students not his little scholars? So far as I can tell, they are almost all American History grads. 13:38, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hahaha, you were the one who mentioned the mall? I loved how unprofessionally snarky his grading was on that one: ""The Mall"? The sod of grass that the Democrats are going to replace for $200 million now? Also, the Parthenon is in Greece, not France. (Minus 2)". Also, you got a point deducted for not explaining WHY Aesop's Fables are important. But most students didn't, and they got full credit. --GTac 13:51, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I would suggest creating more socks. Have one be a person with an alternative lifestyle, one an evolutionist, one an athiest, etc. The results would be worthy of a seperate article, and mention in our serious article on him. --"CURtalk 13:57, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * Exactly. It was stunning to see marks deducted for the exact same answers.  I absolutely love his Democrat comment, though.  "You like a bunch of the most definitive and famous structures in the United States? Well... THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT.  DIE."  14:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Edit: More accurately "You like the most famous architectural style in history, and note its existence in a bunch of the most definitive and famous structures in the United States? Well... THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT. DIE."  14:05, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * And we should document any rude comments to students. For example, a comparison of say, a person like me to Nebecannezer. And I have access to CP again, though I am still blocked. If you wish, I could start work on it. --"CURtalk 14:04, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * EDIT: Oh yes- and make one of the student homosexual. --"CURtalk 14:10, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Wait, Wait, stop the presses, I finally get it. On the link above, andy is shown to be "fascinated" by the insights of one of his students. Not just "interested", FASCINATEd. so if a 15-18 year old has ideas that fascinate him, it stands to reason he's never possessed a mind capible of more than 15-18th grade mentality. Ahhh, i've finally seen the light. No wonder he can't debate reality. He doesn't understand it.--EnAttendantGodot 14:24, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Would the fascinating student happen to be of the female persuasion by any chance? Генгис    14:47, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I have no idea. However, what do you think of my idea? It would be a fascinating insight into his mind. Or rather, lack of mind. --"CURtalk 14:51, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Cur as far as actually "being students", Andy knows that anyone from the internet is not likely a student, and is more than likely a parodist.  He is always harder with them, cause he deams they are Liberals tyring to prove him wrong.  The students in his class are real students from his homeschool program.  So i don't really see how you could get anything like this to work.
 * Have one follow the party line to perfection. --"CURtalk 19:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I mean that he doesn't take on students from the internet as real "students". he plays them, knowing they are parodists or liberals (and in this case, he would be right.  We aren't teens from homeschooling parents wanting a conservative education).--EnAttendantGodot 19:04, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Then we do plant moles within his students- in real life. Who here is young and can act stupid? --"CURtalk 19:06, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Ummm. You....CUR, you really need to stop teeing it up for the rest of us like that. TheoryOfPractice 19:10, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Teeing it up? Sorry, that command does not compute. --"CURtalk 19:13, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Online students don't pay, so it stands to reason that they will get thoroughly dissed by Andy. Генгис    19:27, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * "Who here is young and can act stupid?" = Best. CUR. Comment. Evar. XD User:Mei 19:31, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * That was perfect, yes. Too bad CUR lives nowhere near NJ.  ħ uman  21:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Dang, I forgot about that! [[image:Laughing.gif]] I do act stupid somethings (even though I'm really not). But haven't I acted much wiser and smarter recently? --"CURtalk 21:03, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, you have.--Kriss AkabusiAAAAWOOOOGAAAR!!1 08:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Which major religions don't count?
Andy makes a list of world religions. He cites a source, but leaves out half of the top 22, in no particular order. Can you guess them? Coarb 02:05, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Anti-religious, 1.1 billion, followers censor school prayer and promote evolution Andy usual shit aside, I highly doubt there are 1.1 billion atheist, agnostics, deist, etc. worldwide. - User   02:10, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Okay having read Andy cite I can see how that number comes to 1.1 billion although "anti-religious" is one of the most gross misrepresentations he has come out with. - User   02:13, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Typical Andy, his cite actually says Non-religious - 1.1 billon of which half are "theistic" but non-religious. Magically they are all transmuted into prayer-censoring evolutionists. Генгис    02:53, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Ones omitted: in my tired and drunk state the only one that comes to mind right now is Rastafarianism. Seems to me he got all the big ones. I was surprised to see Zoroastrianism had that many adherents (assuming its true; bad assumption for anything stated on CP); I thought it was almost extinct. DickTurpis 02:39, 16 February 2009 (EST) Are we counting Wiccans? DickTurpis 02:42, 16 February 2009 (EST) Sikhs! That's the other I was thinking of. DickTurpis 02:43, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hey, Freddie Mercury was a Zoroastrian. Генгис    02:54, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * No accounting for wiccans, or any tribal religion, or any so-called "pagan" / "primitive" spiritualism. (primitive in his and many Christians' minds, not actually primitive.)  And golly, in all my years of english and latin, i never knew that "non" (non-religious) meant the same as "anti" (anti-religious) thank you Andy for again showing us the light.  My god, and this man wants to be a certified teacher and claims he is the one who hasn't any agenda?????? --EnAttendantGodot 09:17, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * And gay! So there's a double whammy for the Schlafster to get uppity about.  A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 09:33, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not to be crass (note to self:end sentence right here) but (note from self:guess not) Freddy Mercury IS extinct. May the indifferent universe watch over his long sleep. Scaramouche! Me!Sheesh! Mine! 10:44, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Freddie wasn't the "last of the Mohicans" so it's unlikely the lightbulb of Mazda was totally extinguished. <font color=Blue>Генгис    14:29, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I for one am totally missing the mercury-mazda connection, other than the obvious non-sensical one. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 15:05, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I guess fluorescent tubes contain mercury. But I'm sure that most people don't know where Mazda lightbulbs get their name from. <font color=Blue>Генгис    16:53, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * It's not a joke - Mercury was a Parsi, the Zoroastrian ethnic group from India. Bluefish 16:59, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Here in 'merica nobody gets that a Mazda is a lightbulb to ferners. Talk 'merican from now on 72.218.140.80 18:22, 16 February 2009 (EST)

The descriptions are beautiful. Most Hindus are in India and the only thing worth saying about Muslims is that they're under threat of death if they convert. Stile4aly 02:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)

WTF?
Now what's he on about now? Should we all head for the hills? Is he forecasting the end of the world or is it something even more shocking than whatever it was happened on 1 Feb. that I must have missed? http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/Gentlemen Mick McT 04:11, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, I must have missed it too. I must have loved it so much that my brain literally erased it so the rest of my life wouldn't seem a disappointment in comparison. Either that or Ken is confusing his fantasy operations world with the real world again. --JeevesMkII 04:50, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * What happened on Feb 1st? Looking at Ken's latest missive, I'm willing to guess that some unnamed person, from some unnamed website/church/mental institution will likely be making some as yet unknown announcement about Ken's Atheism/Homosexuality/Evolution pages within the next 7 days. Or probably not. Oh and Operation Grasskirts, which already "started" some time ago, will probably "start" for real. Or probably not. --PsyGremlinWhut? 05:22, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Maybe teh site shut down on the 1st. I know for me, that would make me unbelievably happy.  ;-)--EnAttendantGodot 09:19, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Was Feb 1st perhaps when Dawkins became article of the month?
 * I like how he thinks we know what he's talking about. It adds credence to the fact he is delusional. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 12:19, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Looking back through the archives, the only event mentioned concerning 🇰🇪 on the appropriate date is that he removed all the crap on his user page. This didn't make me happy, because all his animated gifs and pictures of Hitler were a perfect illustration of the kind of moron he is. So, I wonder what further sanity he might commit this month? Perhaps he has realised that creationism is bunk, and that actually homosexuals are perfectly decent people? --JeevesMkII 12:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Knowing Ken's little mind, Feb 1st was probably the date he posted a link to one of his articles on a forum. <font color=Blue>Генгис    14:31, 16 February 2009 (EST)

While you were out
Dunno if anyone else noticed it, but Andy posted a new insight on Valentine's Day. It's a lovely bit of unexplained WTF, dropped like a bit of solid waste in the punch bowl. --Kels 14:50, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * Wow. WTF doesn't even come close here. First of all it's difficult to tell what the hell he's on about. A disadvantage of the pursuit of mathematics is a lack of meaningful accountability? What does this even mean? Who or what is not being held accountable? In what sense does he mean accountable? What ... Oh never mind. If I continue to think about this it might break my brain. JoeDuffy 14:59, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * What it means is that Andy has expanded his abilities as a polymath. He's now cataloging the deterministic effects of educations in various fields on individual personalities. Truly a brilliant theory insight to survive the ages.  15:04, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * "lack of meaningful accountability" in maths is something Andy occasionally gets high on. I don't have a clue what he's talking about either, but if you look at the stuff relating to the "critical thinking in math" course, you will see him use that phrase from time to time.  Something about Wiles' proof.  Or proof by contradiction.  Or something. Gauss 19:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * Thing that gets me is that Andy himself has education in Engineering and Law, so those side effects would apply to him, too. --Kels 15:06, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Note that those side effects are the least serious, and probably cancel psychotherapy out, cosmically. 15:11, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * "Andy has expanded his abilities as a polymath". I didn't know Andy was a pokemon! Seriously though, I have no clue what he's talking about in that essay, except that the general point is probably something like that libruls made bad things out of good concepts.. Or something like that. --GTac 15:18, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Eh? 15:27, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Nvm, I thought you said Andy expanded his abilities as a Poliwrath. --GTac 15:36, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Ahaha. I thought you had misread it as Porygon or something, but that makes more sense.  15:46, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * This is just another way for him to dismiss expert criticism. The selection of disciplines seems to be based on fields that Andy feels qualified in (note that there are no listed side-effects for studying cubist paintings - side-effects include rejection of logic and a tendency to bump into things). Also note how the benefits and side-effects listed cancel each other out when taken together.-- 16:13, 16 February 2009 (EST)

(unindent)Now hold on just a second - a side-effect of studying engineering is "overemphasis on materialism"? And do we all remember what Andy's undergraduate degree was? And then students of law appreciate "the value of dissent"? That's obviously not in the least bit contradictory to blocking anyone who exhibits dissent at CP. alt 17:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's doubly ironic considering that Ames is a lawyer, too—what about the value of his dissent?  17:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, I'm not sure what he means by materialism, since he said before that YECs are materialists too.. --GTac 18:06, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I've parsed it out. It says: "I'm better than Obama" <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 18:55, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * You have to remember, he's going on about "likely" or "potential" side effects, not guarnteed ones. So, as Sheesh says, it's ***everyone else*** who is a student of law, engineering, or maths that has this problem.  not him.  As with all things, he is immune to such sillyness as ego, desires, or "side effects". --EnAttendantGodot 19:02, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * That is frickin' drool. Let's see, posted around 9 PM on Sat evening - a new category, the "bourbon edit"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:58, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * For some reason, I don't see Andy as being a hard liquor drinker. 9 PM on Saturday evening? That'd be the "Eight Vodka Cooler Edit".   23:05, 16 February 2009 (EST)

President's Day
* coughRegancough * --Kels 15:57, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Ah but he did say 'deify' - Ronnie's just a saint. Stupid but typical Andy comment anyway; another dig at Obama I guess. --PsyGremlinWhut? 16:06, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * One thing about Andy - he never changes his debating style - "First, say that I am right..." --PsyGremlinWhut? 16:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I love it! I'm expecting a 2+2=4 next. Feeling rather guilty though, I'm thoroughly breaking the boycott, but there's just too much good stuff happening on CP (also I've got a deadline for something, which greatly increases my need for any kind of distraction). --GTac 16:55, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Haha this President's Day stuff is def good lawls. I'm also breaking the boycott because I have a deadline myself too... Tealish 17:28, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Bah, Presidents' Day is for LIB'RULZ! Like all them Lib'rulz who run states like Texas. --Kels 17:38, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm really confused. I thought deifying the President was good. I guess that's different when the President is a lib'rul?-Diadochus 17:40, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, that's where his snide little "pretend that all presidents deserve to be honored" comes from. Clearly he's referring to the ones he doesn't like, and therefore won't respect. --Kels 17:41, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * "Determined to deify the president...to diminish Washington..." What? And shouldn't Andy the Teacher of the Largest and Greatest American History Class in the Multiverse know that when speaking of the elected leader of the United States, "president" should be CAPITALIZED?! I guess my librul public skool education had some things he forgot after all. Kalliumtalk 23:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * "'Economist', your denial of the obvious only destroys your credibility. You have free will, but you're not fooling anyone by denying how liberals deify the president, and therefore prefer 'President's Day' even though federal law expressly establishes it as 'Washington's Birthday.' I suppose that if you were in the communist Soviet Union then you would have denied that Stalin was deified also. Suit yourself.--Andy Schlafly 17:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)" My god, that could've come straight from the quote generator. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  23:27, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Holy shit, I thought someone here made it up! (Just came across diff ) - I didn't realize it was a fucking quote! That's classic!<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman ''' 23:45, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Also, the edit comment: "final reply". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:46, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * "You deny far too much, Hsmom. Join the 'Economist' in losing credibility by refusing to admit that liberals deify government officials. You don't have to be a math major or expert in federal law to realize that your examples don't stack up in numbers or significance against recognition [of] Washington's Birthday, yet liberals whitewash that recognition and insist on 'President's Day.' Note, by the way, how Democratic the majority of the states are (or were) in your examples. Think there was a genuine groundswell of support in Texas to create President's Day in order to honor Lincoln equally with Washington??? Not quite.--Andy Schlafly 20:21, 16 February 2009 (EST)" This is after Hsmom tries to insert a clue-by-four, including actual research and references. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * (He fixed the missing word a couple of edits later - human)
 * Every time I start to think he's just a raging moron, he reminds me that he's a repulsive little shit, too. This is how he talks to an editor who has never done anything but help the site? --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  00:32, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Is it just me, or does that bit Human quoted come off as startlingly racist? You think there was a groundswell of support to elevate Lincoln in Texas?  Of course not, given he's best known for helping out coloured people.  Why would Texans care about a man who did that? --Kels 00:39, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Andy's a one-man Department of Mysteries, minus the childish delight.-Diadochus 01:04, 17 February 2009 (EST)

(UI) I don't think that Andy has ever been to Texas. I am from Texas, and I should point out that your average Texan thinks the world of Lincoln, just as much as they would think the world of Washington. They both have much to admire, and I can't understand why Andy is trying to detract from Lincoln. Most of us have gotten over the Civil War, regardless of current political affiliation (although some of us are still mired in racism and perpetual defeat). Thank you for thinking that we are all racist hicks, you asshole! And you wonder why stalwart states like NC went blue last year! Corryundefined 01:13, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Concur. I'm from a Southern state, and Lincoln is a hero among the 99% of the population that realizes (correctly) that "a house divided cannot stand," and that the outcome of the Civil War is cause for celebration. The remaining 1% are neither representative nor worth anyone's time.-Diadochus 01:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I can't speak with any authority on this US issue but from what I've seen of Andy's comments over the last two years he has virtually deified George Washington. <font color=Blue>Генгис    01:55, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * True, and he's practically deified Lincoln when it comes to him founding the Republican party. Now I think Lincoln is great, but I think it cheapens him to use him to prop up the current Republican party.  And I certainly think it's bizarre to see him make some kind of weird beef against Presidents' Day (punctuation?).  I mean, really, what a non-issue.  Liberal worship of the president?  Do you remember Reagan?  This is one of the more bizarre arguments he's had.  Presidents' Day.  Right.  Corryundefined 02:01, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Something I've always found funny, A lot of liberals idolize FDR and Lincoln, but it's not hard to see... Lincoln had it the worst of any incoming president and managed to hold the union together, FDR pulled us out of the depression and won WWII (for the most part) but Andy and his ilk idolize Reagan and what did he ever do except disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of minorities, sit back and watch the AIDS crisis, the Gang crisis and the Drug crisis ravage poor and Black America, illegally sell arms to the Iranians, illegally front the money to the Contras, and cause a huge recession.... What good did he really do? I mean on a lasting basis? Even CP can only come up with "He ended The Cold War" and "Congress refused all his budgets, but he still gets credit for everything good that happened."  <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  02:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * You forgot St. Obama saving the fucking planet from an economic meltdown. Ooops, I speaky before the accomplishment.  (fingers crossed)  I can HOPE can't I? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:11, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Shorter Andy: "How dare those Liberals deify Presidents and take away from the accomplishments of Washington! Why that man was a god, I tell you!" --Kels 17:01, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Kels nailed it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:11, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Anyone else still having problems with CP?
I'm still getting "403 Forbidden" whenever I try to visit Conservapedia. I've cleared my cache and cookies several times already, but that did nothing. 17:52, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Mesa not havesa problem. --"CURtalk 17:53, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Presumably fallout from their shotgun approach to blocking the "DDoS" a while back (which I would guess was really a screwed up server setup rather than an actual DDoS, but you never know). Probably someone in your IP range ran some kind of (entirely innocuous) automated script that accessed CP at regular intervals, and they blocked everything from that range. --79.40.238.124 18:32, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * So, short of using Tor, I'll never be able to so much as look at CP again?  18:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Or some other proxy, possibly. Though that would be beyond their normal bounds of idiocy. --"CURtalk 18:52, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * All fine this side me and my sockette are happily trawling through the slime. --PsyGremlinWhut? 19:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * CUR, if you talk like the Star Wars character who shall remain nameless again, I will have no recourse but to make you watch the Star Wars Holiday Special, Clockwork Orange style. -- 21:21, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Wait, it's possible to ban people from even viewing CP on an IP address basis?User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 22:04, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, I believe it is. IIRC, Trent once blocked TK from being able to view RW. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Then is there a reason why TK isn't still banned from viewing RW? Wouldn't that make it easier on socks and WIGOers? Of course, I suppose sometimes it's nice to rub one's idiocy back in one's face. But at what cost I ask!?!!1 Tealish 23:07, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Quite simply with TCP Wrappers. A simple addition to a file and machine and the given ip address are no-longer on speaking terms. No machine has to accept packets from anywhere. As to Tealish - the answer severalfold - you have to know the ip address, it is easy to get around, and there are other CP admins. --Shagie 23:23, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I believe that there is a function built into the MediaWiki software to do this (or it might be an extension) so even a klutz like Andy could implement it if he thought fit. However, as he loves his page views I can't see him doing it unprompted. <font color=Blue>Генгис    02:32, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * They don't like scripts, even if these comply with their robots.txt file: That's why night-edit mode log doesn't work any longer. They seem to have banned a couple of IPs from viewing them permanently, including mine :-) 02:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * You may be able to view Conservapedia with proxies even if those proxies are blocked from editing. You can certainly view Conservapedia from library computers and Internet Cafes, IT Centres etc where they have a different IPadress.  You can take a memory stick or a CD with you to another place.  Check that their computers can handle the  memory stick or a CD first.  You can record as much as you want and view it at your leisure at home. Proxima Centauri 03:15, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Even something as simple as Hidemyass.com will allow you to view CP. There are a lot of free proxies which let you get round blocks on viewing Facebook or YouTube from your school or office. Some wouldn't let you edit but those that did are now blocked at CP as they were the first ones used by the vandals/trolls/parodists/pastafarians. <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * If you've been doing any DOS naughty thingies carrying on with it might get your proxy blocked from viewing. Proxima Centauri 12:41, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * We don't approve of such silliness here. But thanks for trying to help. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:13, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Rhodesia
Words absent from the current version of the new CP article on Rhodesia include "white," "settler," and "minority" as well as "black," "persecuted," and "majority." Just in case you wondered what was missing. Also, the government fought a war against "communist terrorists." Nothing about, say, racial liberation...I hate CP. TheoryOfPractice 18:01, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Join the club. --"CURtalk 18:05, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Reminds me of the days when Albert123 edited there, who listed Ian Smith and Hendrik Vervoerd amongst his heroes.--PsyGremlinWhut? 18:59, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Boycott?
Its seems many (including myself) never tried or have given up on the boycott. Should we end it and if not now when? I am vote aye for ending the boycott. Anyone else? Ace McWickedRevolt 19:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Aye. Pointless. We need each other. --"CURtalk 19:14, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I have called it off as it is after midnight UTC. You know CUR you could have spent the week improving our mainspace articles? - User   19:24, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks you Pi. And as reward you may have use of this NZ beauty for 1 hour. Ace McWickedRevolt 19:28, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * It is strange everyone always tells me I should go to New Zealand as they have the best looking women in the world there (when they aren't talking that is). - User   19:30, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I have been all over the world and actually NZ have some very very pretty woman thats for sure. I was surprised that in Argentina I mostly saw rank old crows cowering in alleys, trying fleece money from tourists. Ace McWickedRevolt 19:33, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * I have uploaded a translator so we can understand what you are saying Ace. - User   19:34, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Excellent Pi, now there'll be no more misunderstandings. Ace McWickedRevolt 19:40, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hmm I should point out though that years of travelling has left me speaking less New Zealand and more of a strange creole that some mistake for South African/British. So in reality I am a freak. Ace McWickedRevolt 19:44, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hah! That Ace Translator chart is funny! <font color="#000066">Refugee <font color = "#00F0A20">talk page 22:14, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * I was in NZ about 10 years ago with a non-native English speaker who was left very puzzled when told in Auckland airport that he needed to go to the "chicken desk". <font color=Blue>Генгис    02:36, 17 February 2009 (EST)

From the CP Borken News Ticker
Anyone else read the thing about the Pro-Lifers arrested? One of them said the following: "'We were arrested yesterday because of the content of our message. It's clear from the attitudes and actions of the police officers that our message of life is not welcome in Birmingham, and prejudice is alive and well in this city.'" Keep in mind, this is Freaking BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA!!!!!!! Yo sister, you don't get too much more Fundie-Friendly than Birmingham. It's interesting when the persecution complexes come up against their own side. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  23:16, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Hi, I quit
I've lurked here a long time, and today I finally decided I'm done with Conservapedia. I was reading Aschafly's model answers, and they were filled with every grammatical and spelling error imaginable. Who doesn't know the difference between an allusion and an illusion? How can someone so dumb as Andy be teaching children? Do their parents not know? Has the word not gotten out that all he has is shit for brains? So hi everyone. Yorick 00:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Welcome, Yorick. I thought I knew you well (but was obviously mistaken). <font color=Blue>Генгис    02:39, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hi. That's why we wrote Andrew Schlafly (no jokes).  Just in case the parents of his prospective abusees have the sense to investigate. And, welcome! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * "Abusees"?  02:37, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * An excellent neologism! <font color=Blue>Генгис    02:48, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Alas poor Yorick, I knew you not--Nate River 11:16, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Too long to WIGO
I was going to WIGO this, but it got too long. So enjoy here! Karma up-or-down, please. The future of Assfly's lectures: False claim against Al Gore of the internet; slam against unions; stem cell research linked to Nazis; the UN gives abortions throughout the world; only the US and Russia have been to outer space; it wasn't until 9/11 that terrorists struck American soil (sorry, WTC in 1993!); only Christians promote education (long list of homeschooled kids from centuries ago); and forgetting that Bush allowed Mexican trucks into the US, not "international courts." Let's not forget Andy-grammar: "the Japanese began expensive selling luxury cars." Somehow, Titusville, PA, ruined the world. And English is preferred on cell phones throughout the world because it's easier to type. --Irrational Atheist 01:55, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * If all of Andy's ignorance were collected in one place it would create a black hole beyond the wildest dreams of any LHC sensationalist, destroying all matter as we kno
 * Damn. Wonder which continent imploded first?  Also, on the subject of terrorist attacks on the US, expect the Oklahoma City Bombing to be memory-holed. --Gulik 02:46, 17 February 2009 (EST)


 * In the former USSR education was given a very high priority, that's why they have so many doctors and scientists. Education is also seen as being important in most south-east Asian countries - India, China, Japan, S.Korea etc. <font color=Blue>Генгис    02:47, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Man that lecture has the best ending ever! CP's next victim could be you, or you.. *turns to look into reader's eyes* or you! --GTac 08:21, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * The section on Northern Ireland is pathetic. The concluding remark "there is no end to the controversy over whether the Protestants or Catholics should rule that northeastern corner of Ireland." is particularly bad. I can't imagine anyone thinks that either Protestants or Catholics should rule NI, hence there is a power sharing assembly. The IRA are mentioned twice. One of these times is to point out the fact that the IRA fought at the Battle of Ridgeway. If they did I can't imagine that they had much to do with the modern incarnation of the IRA. JoeDuffy 08:29, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Me, I like how "English is the best, damnit. and all them orientals know that!"  My husband is fluent in Japanese, and we text our friends in, that's right, JAPANESE!  He texts his native Vietnamese in Vietnamese, of course...  and I've never seen a french person text in English.  And I do like how superficial his articles are.  Sorta like taking a class in Geography and saying "well, there's some land here, that's sorta broken up into a few countries, then there's this big land, but it's so stupid that studying it's boundaries aren't worth it, or and then there's this small land here, and finally, THE UNITED STATES (which is attached to some other land not worth studying).-- 10:23, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Gawd. "evidence of a “global warming” caused by the burning of oil and the release of chlorofluorocarbons, a chemical." - apart from the dumbness of describing CFCs as "a chemical", they have nowt to do with GW. They threaten the ozone layer... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:47, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Conservapedia's SES application
Think we should band together to make sure that the SES does not allow the Assfly to be a public school tutor? Looky here. What does he want to focus on? "The courses provided by Conservapedia include American History, World History, American Government, Writing (ed. PLEASE don't let Uncle Ed near this if it's approved!), Economics. In addition, courses can be easily developed to address: pre-college mathematics, pre-college science, reading, grammar." --Irrational Atheist 02:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, at this point, all the lulz are pretty much dead in the water. He has a week to finish the application and he hasn't touched it in several days so it's a fair bet he isn't even going to make an effort. Just another missed milestone in the unexciting life of el-assfly. --JeevesMkII 05:46, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, if anything we should band together to egg him on to actually go ahead with this. (Best strategy with him is probably inverse psychology: implore him not to do it.) Real pity it looks so dead. There's no way in hell he could succeed. It would be lulz-y indeed. --79.40.238.124 05:56, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * But, like everything in the minds of those who re-write history, (and as seen with Lenski), he will delay and delay, then send some shoddy ass thing and when rejected show proof of the liberal mindset in academics. -- 10:26, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I kinda assumed that's what he was doing. Go ahead and apply, knowing he would be turned down.  Then, he can rail about liberal censorship of his conservative teaching, when it's really "actual teachers" censoring "revisionist history teaching".  <font color="black" face="georgia">Z3ro  talk  10:33, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Looks like he may be going for it!  <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:32, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * It is worrying that he seems to be going ahead. I know that it's a one in a million shot but what if he gets it? Is there any way that memebers of the public can object to an application? JoeDuffy 10:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * I may be showing my ignorance on what this application means to Schlafly, but if he gets it, does that mean he'll be getting government funding (i.e. taxpayer funding) or does he get some kind of tax-exempt status? If it's the former, then he's just a dirty, stinking communist. Bondurant 10:28, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * The chance of him getting it is basically zero. If you look at the application requirements, you're supposed to turn in something like a 1" binder full of info; Andy's going to have something like 2 pages.  They'll laugh when they receive his applicatin.  <font color="black" face="georgia">Z3ro  talk  10:34, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Belief in Theististic evolution is declining
That's what Religious Tolerence.org says. A gogle search for "evolution+united states+opinion poll" reveals more data. Those who believe in fundy creationism and naturalism are both increasing. Naturally Conservapedia doesn't mention the increase in the numbers who believe in purely naturalistic evolution. For Fundies Liberal Christians are also hell bent. Proxima Centauri 03:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Interesting, but I think we all realise that fundie-ness isn't necessarily on the up, but fundies that will shout so much about it that it appears that there'll be 18 billion creationists on the planet certainly are on the up. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 08:32, 17 February 2009 (EST)

JArneal
Does anyone know why cp:User:JArneal was blocked? Besides stating that PJR is his favorite sysop? TK blocked him Feb 16th. The reason: Negative personal comments: liberal never-ending arguement... But his last comment is of Feb 5th. So, it was not a never-ending argument. Curious and curiouser... 04:02, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well lets look at the evidence, his username is begins with a capital letter - and J and L are kind of similar - and the a name beginning with capital A. He also took the week of our boycott off. So the conclusion is obvious, he was blocked for being you. 04:23, 17 February 2009 - User   (EST)
 * It's TK. He's scum and he doesn't need a reason (except for part of his plan to bring CP down). Plus thanks to his self-imposed MYOB rule, it can't be appealed. If I had to hazard a guess as to why, it's because of the edit to Rush Limbaugh's talk page. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:56, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeh I looked into him too when I saw he was blocked. Only thing I could find is that 2 weeks ago he dared to suggest to rearrange the content in Obama's article, which TK somehow took as a personal insult, but JArneal was very curteous, even after that. There really doesn't seem to be anything else he did which could be taken as a slight by the mad sysops. If anything, it seems he was one of the rare people who was actually a normal contributer. I guess one should underestimate what a dick TK can be? --GTac 08:32, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * TK blocked e-mail, so he won't get any complaints of JArneal. And the MYOB policy works splendidly: have a look at the Desk/Abuse section, no entries there since last year! If there are still teenagers left at CP, they learn a valuable lesson:
 * obey your betters, otherwise you get punished
 * don't stand up for anybody, or it will hurt you, too
 * don't ask questions, don't try to understand what's going on
 * Aschlafly's lectures emphasize the same concepts, as the students are not taught to draw their own conclusions, they just have to guess what pleases their teacher. Pathetic. 08:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's another of TK's lies - only 5% of people oppose his blocks. They're probably the 5% he forgets to disable e-mail for. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:07, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I know JArneal in real life. He has TK's email, and I know that they have never-ending arguments about CP and RW. TK unblocked me and reblocked me with email disabled after I emailed him too. Also, on another note, JArneal just fucking gave away my sock name to TK. <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 09:59, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * In an attempt to ingratiate himself with TK and get unblocked? Who was your sock? EddyP 10:20, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I don't know, he hasn't told me why yet. My sock hasn't been blocked yet, so I won't give away the name, but my cover is pretty much blown. <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 10:39, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * You came back as a sock? Are Sideways and HelpJazz back as well? I was devoting so much emotional energy to missing you guys!--Kriss AkabusiAAAAWOOOOGAAAR!!1 11:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * People cared about me? *Ferno smiles and gets a tear* As far as I know, HelpJazz and Sideways do not have socks. <font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 18:06, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Now there's an idea. We e-mail everybody TK blocks and give them his e-mail address, so they can spam the hell out of the creep. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:04, 17 February 2009 (EST)

lol @ the Ugler's block <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 12:53, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * For the longest time, TK used to list his email addy on his user page. Is it gone?  That "exculpatory" thing.  Anyway, it matters not that people email him - to "complain" or "protest", they need to be able to email other sysops. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:13, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Exculpatory1 was his Yahoo IM, but I guess that is also an email address, no? He has a couple of other email addresses which he uses under his own identity but also the aliases with which he has edited both here and at CP. <font color=Blue>Генгис    18:26, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I've apologized to Ferno. Turns out that if you help Conservapedia by selling out your friend, you get blocked. Well I'm sure as hell never making that mistake again. I don't care what happens to Conservapedia now. Get this: the reason I was blocked was because I said that he (TK) had "delusions of grandeur". Apparently he couldn't take that. --JArneal 18:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * A characteristic of CP sysops is denial of the truth. <font color=Blue>Генгис    18:27, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah. And just in case anyone wanted to know, I just found out today from Ferno that I was blocked.  I sold Ferno out last night.  I was not trying to get myself unblocked, because I didn't even know I was blocked.  I was just trying to do the right thing, which turned out to be the wrong thing. --JArneal 18:34, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Whatever your reasons were for selling out Ferno, that's for you two to discuss. What interests me is that did TKunt block you on CP for something you said to him in a private (not that e-mails with him are private, we all know his love of the BCC) e-mail? and not on CP itself? btw - let me know if you want a list of all the CP sysop's e-mails in case you want to mail all of them - assuming they haven't changed since TK opened the SDG up. --PsyGremlinWhut? 02:27, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Make no mistake, I had no intention of telling you my reasons... wait... I already did...


 * Anyway, TK did block me for a comment in a private conversation by email. That's where the quote that I provided above came from. I haven't edited CP since the fifth, I think, so it rules out anything that I did on CP.


 * Thanks, but I'm washing my hands of Conservapedia, so I don't want a list of those emails. --JArneal 22:37, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Russians on Conservapedia?
Andy thinks this article in a Russian paper is favorable to him. I'm doubtful. Anyone able to translate?-Diadochus 09:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Babel Fish's translation isn't bad. What it says about Conservapedia is fairly brief & matter-of-fact, not really promoting or condemning it.  It says that CP has a conervative, creationist, American-centric & anti-Wikipedia stance, & some internet uses react negatively to it, & it mentions the kangaroo article, as per any other press coverage of CP.   09:59, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Someone who's wittier than me WIGO this. Because that site, my friends, ain't Pravda. It's Pravmir, The Russian Orthodox Church wesbite. Silly Andy! EddyP 10:08, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * (EC) Having now seen what Andy wrote about it, he's wrong to say it's "article on Conservapedia" - it's an article which mentions Conservapedia, along with GodTube, MyChurch & other Christian rip-offs of successful websites. Way to miss the point, Andy.  If we don't already, we should have an article about how he quotemines anything written about Conservapedia to make it look like a wholehearted endorsement.   10:10, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Project was begun in 2006. by attorney and by the instructor of history Andrews [Shlefli], by the son of well-known conservative and founder of the educational program Of eagle Of forum, [Fillisom] [Shlefli].   <font color=Blue>Генгис    11:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Of course, the fact that Fairycake and Karajerk have already range=blocked the whole of Russia, isn't going to bring them any new editing comrades. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:15, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Since they'd all be Communist Infiltrators anyway (whatever happened to RobS?), and might have a WRONG view of history, CP wouldn't want them. :-P --Gulik 12:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I love that he thinks it's Pravda. I wonder if he thinks that's still their major newspaper. -- 13:14, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * TK appears quite happy to let Andy wallow in his ignorance.  Presumably he wanted to sanitize criticism of the "hero" border guards and excised more stuff to make it look like that wasn't it. --Kels 15:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * trolls from vandal sight removed, apparently TK has "vandal sight". And I love how they think that's a good reason to disregard criticism. Btw, it seems to me that even that Christian site isn't that positive about CP: "The materials of resource are so conservative that frequently the bible by contributors is considerably more scientific, than scientific searches themselves." I bet Andy sees that as praise, but I'm not so sure myself... --GTac 16:06, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not only that, he can tell they're from this site even though they're using proxies. Amazing, thy name is TK.  <font color="black" face="georgia">Z3ro  talk  16:10, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's nothing. Karajou routinely identifies individual RW users behind proxies. --Sid 16:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, just AmesG if the truth be told. <font color=Blue>Генгис    16:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)

From now on, I shall refer to fundies by their russian transliteration: kreatsionistskuyu...it's got a nice ring to it....in soviet russia, kreatsionistskuyu sets YOU free. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 17:29, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Oh noes! Noes proxies!
It seems conservapedia has created a bot to systematically check IPs to see if they are open proxies. If it finds out it's an open proxy, it hardblocks it, preventing any editing on it. Wikipedia has been doing something similar for a long time, the real problem is how do we vandalize, mock, and ask bannable questions now?--Ipatrol 11:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I don't think many users here were using proxies anyway; TK's been making a valiant attempt to ban all of them. <font color="black" face="georgia">Z3ro  talk  11:52, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I, for one, think it is time to stop with vandalizing CP. If we want to be taken seriously, we have to make ourselves respectable. If we do so:

Though that's just me. I think that CP would destroy itself eventually if we didn't fuel their fires.--Nate River 12:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * CP will run unchecked, showing the world how ignorant they really are.
 * CP Admins will ban people non-associated with us, thus they will lose their favorite criticism.
 * These banned people will come here, thus increasing our numbers.
 * CP's number of hits will go down, thus shutting them up.
 * I don't see anything in the block log, or is this happening behind the scenes? I agree with Nate though - vandalism is infantile and silly. Much better to sit back and watch them come up with rubbish we could only dream of, themselves.--PsyGremlinWhut? 13:40, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * What evidence is there for a bot? It's probably just the arch snooper TK and his checkuser database. <font color=Blue>Генгис    16:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I recieved this message:Your user name or IP address has been blocked. The block was made by Proxy blocker. The reason given is Your IP address has been blocked because it is an open proxy. Please contact your Internet service provider or tech support and inform them of this serious security problem.. Start of block: 11:14, 17 February 2009 Expiry of block: infinite Intended blockee: 201.229.208.3 You can contact Proxy blocker or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 201.229.208.3, and the block ID is #49255. Please include all above details in any queries you make. Retrieved from "http://www.conservapedia.com/Library_of_Congress"

The block list also show this as further proof.--Ipatrol 20:03, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Oh that isn't a bot, it's a feature of the Mediawiki software. <font color=Blue>Генгис    01:18, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Bisexuals
CP's page on bisexuals which the WIGO referred to made me laugh for another reason too, namely their first two lines:
 * Bisexual refers to a person with both heterosexual and homosexual desires. An animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs is a hermaphrodite.

I know what they mean, but are there really many people that would confuse the two? It seems kind of an amusing absurd non-sequiter to me. ''Bisexual refers to a person with both heterosexual and homosexual desires. A man without a penis is called a eunuch, aka "unlucky sob". A potato in the shape of a thingy is considered to be hilarious in many cultures.'' --GTac 11:50, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I know what they mean, but are there really many people that would confuse the two? On Conservapedia? Its well documented that most of the non-parodists on the site couldn't tell their ass from a hole in the ground, so perhaps its good that they explain the difference between "bisexual" and "hermaphrodite". MDB 12:16, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I believe that Andy has an antipathy to disambiguation pages. This has led to many pages where a word which has two different meanings has both explained on the same page. Andy issues his orders and TK routinely condones this sort of crap without proffering any commonsense alternative. It's like watching a Laurel and Hardy movie. <font color=Blue>Генгис    12:20, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's like stream of consciousness poetry: Bisexual refers to a person with both heterosexual and homosexual desires. An animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs is a hermaphrodite. The apparition of these faces in the crowd; petals on a wet, black bough. Beautiful, man. -- 13:22, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Lecture Archives?
By the way, in the very remote chance that Andy gets something off to the District in an attempt to approve his classes, we do have a copy of the entirety of his lectures (World History & American History), comments from his students about the way he teaches, and of course evidence of the fact that he gives different exams to the Boys and Girls as part of some unique definition of "chivalry", yes?-- 12:01, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think most of it is covered in our serious Andrew Schlafly article. I don't think there's much to worry about.  Even if the authorities don't get to see our article, a quick look around CP will show them that it's pretty far from being a balanced educational resource.   12:06, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Mexican Oil Companies?
Okay, what the hell is this piece about the Mexican state oil company doing on the CP In the News section? Its not an anti-Obama screed, its not "the libb-burr-ulls are picking on poor defensive Christian conservatives", its not even that big a news item. Heck, unless I'm missing something, in most newspaper, it would be a paragraph long "business brief". Am I missing something?
 * The thing you're probably missing is that JM is one of them there Mexicans. It may be a bigger deal there than it is in the rest of the world. --JeevesMkII 13:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * If you follow the internal link to cp:Chicontepec you will see that this field allegedly puts Mexico third in the world for oil reserves behind Saudi Arabia and Canada. I guess Joaquin just sees that as some sort of national pride. Mexico's oil output has been declining over recent years as the big Cantarell field runs out. The oil industry in Mexico was nationalised and Pemex has a monopoly. However they have fallen behind the commercial oil companies in the technology stakes and there was talk of allowing the majors back in to help boost output. The problem with Chicontepec is that is geologically complex and requires between 500 and several thousand wells to be drilled and even then will only have with an expected recovery rate of 6-8%. With the oil price tanking from $143 to under $40 in six months the cost effectiveness of the whole project will probably have to be re-evaluated. Because wells ain't cheap, and to get decent production from a complex field you have to do annual surveys to ensure you're pumping from the right place and not allowing water to seep in and contaminate the wells. Despite record profits for whole of 2008 in much of the oil industry, fourth quarter earnings were abysmal and I expect to see a lot redundancies and even bankruptcies in the services sector. The total reserves for Chicontepec may put Mexico third in raw terms but in recoverable barrels of oil I doubt that they will be able to live up to expectations. <font color=Blue>Генгис    14:34, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks for the explanation. Still, though, it seems a little bit of an odd item for what's usually such an U.S.-centric blog vanity project with delusions of grandeur "encyclopedia". At least you'd expect "and if the those dirty liberals allowed offshore drilling, gasoline would be eight cents a gallon in the United States and OPEC would pay America to haul their oil away!" MDB 15:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Moar Quality Mafs
Foxtrot is on a roll.-- 13:35, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Andy planning to start a cult?
Is Andy planning to start the 'God's Homeskollars' cult? From his world history lecture 14. I've gotta say, when I think of special groups among Christians, it's not homeskollars that come to mind. It's like I've always said; one day Andy will drive the kids up to a remote ranch, arm them with defensive weapons of gun, start marrying them off to each other (saving three for himself, of course) and tell them not to fear the coming of the FBI; after all, they couldn't even catch a pair of internet vandals. EddyP 13:43, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * My favorite is the "and...you?" at the end of the great christian homeskollar list. Priceless.  <font color="black" face="georgia">Z3ro  talk  13:51, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's amazing how he tries to paint 2 billion fucking people as a "minority". Yes, I know technically that's right, but his implication--and the connotations of "minority" in reference to the world's largest religion--is just ridiculous. -- 13:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well you know, Yossarian, the rest might suddenly gang up on them. EddyP 13:55, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Andy's probably preparing his Homeskollar cult for the coming Atheist-Buddhist-Jewish-Islamic-Zoroastrian (ABJIZ) world junta. Sadly, that's not too far from what he and other some evangelicals actually believe. -- 14:04, 17 February 2009 (EST) PS: Actually, does Andy buy into the whole Premillennial dispensationalist crap? I know he's Catholic, but I don't know if that's something some of them believe, too...?
 * As much as everything with CP is a bit of a joke, what are the odds that all of this ends badly? And, I mean in the like-you-don't-even-want-to-say-that-sort-of-thing way.  14:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Naaah. There's a ton of wacko at CP, but no Waco. What'll happen in the end is that one of the kids will fail to get into a college, their parents will sue Andy, and courtroom lulz will ensue. Andy will then have to turn CP over to someone who knows what they're doing. Totnesmartin 14:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Like us. 'This user supports tmtoulouse as the rightful leader of Conservapedia'! One day.... EddyP 14:21, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * (Sorry for the massive indent) That would be like the African-American woman who got the deed to a Klan headquarters after suing for the wrongful death of her son. 14:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I don't think that Andy has much to worry about in regards to the kids not getting into college. You've got to figure that a sizable percentage are going to be going to Liberty University and the like. So, they can get away with an Assfly edumacation 14:28, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * (DEATH TO EDIT CONFLICTS!!!!) Oh I'd love to control CP - I'd turn it into a sensible family-friendly encyclopedia, 'cratise PJR, Tim, AKjeldsen and PalMD, and basically start all over again but with sane people in control. Every decent, moderate page of it would shame the gang of four (who would all be peonised forever). Totnesmartin 14:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Um, why? Ian't there a sensible, family friendly encyclopaedia already called wikipedia? I don't see why the world needs another one. Once you take away the whole liberal hatin' bit, it's just an arse backwards wikipedia clone. --JeevesMkII 15:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Isn't there a sensible, family friendly encyclopaedia already called wikipedia? actually, I can kinda see the problem with WP and "family-friendliness"--I performed an experiment; go to a random page, click links until you find something you might not want your 10-year-old to see. It'll happen soon enough. Now of course, no ten-year-old should be surfing the net unsupervised, but there are parts of WP that are decidedly NOT family-friendly. Never mind the odd chance that your kid will look up Winston Churchill or Babe Ruth for her homework a minute after someone goatse-bombs the page. And there's no way to undo that if it happens. TheoryOfPractice 15:12, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, not in my case. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing on the internet that a 10 year old shouldn't see is hard core pornography, of which I don't think wikipedia has any. I don't see any problem with kids reading descriptions of genitalia or sex acts, or even viewing illustrative pictures. I just can't imagine what harm it could possibly do them to know these things. As far as I'm concerned, as soon as the kid is old enough to get homework from school, they're old enough to use the computer unsupervised. As soon as they're old enough to circumvent the porno blocker, they're old enough to see pornography. --JeevesMkII 15:22, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I see where you're coming from, and I can't really say I disagree. Hell, I, like every other boy of a certain age, looked at porn way before I was really able to process it and what it meant in any sort of "reasonable" way, and you're right, there's little on WP that is that horrible--though the fact that vandals can leave anything on a page at least for a moment or two is worrisome if your kid is online. I'm not sure that total unsupervised net access for kids is a great idea--when I was that age, porn and other shocking/grown-up images and movies were nowhere near as pervasive as they are now; one had to go at least a little bit out of one's way to find them. That's no longer the case, and i wonder what the knock-off effect will be--maybe good (stuff dealt with more maturely, less stigma around sex and the body), maybe bad (less respect for sex and the body and for women, as well as really screwed-up expectstions of what sex can/should/might be like)...TheoryOfPractice 15:35, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I don't think CP, as loony as it is, qualifies as a cult. Not yet, anyway. When they start moving into a fortified compound, THEN we need to worry. --Gulik 15:04, 17 February 2009 (EST)


 * My interaction with PJR has been very assfly-like (he denies new genetic information, refuses any proffered definitions of "information" or "new information", refuses to define it himself to avoid proving himself wrong)...is he capable of being rational or was he just walking the fundie line? <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 15:08, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * He's very rational, except about this issue and only this issue. As far as I can tell, he relies almost exclusively on creation ministries international to tell him what to think regarding creationism. Whenever he actually thinks for himself about an issue, he usually comes to sensible conclusions which tends to put him firmly at odds with the rest of CP's admins on almost every issue. On creation, he just seems to shut off his critical faculties. He often seems to prefer to post a URL rather than to form an argument, which I personally find infuriating. If you don't understand a subject enough to argue about it in your own words, don't argue. --JeevesMkII 15:13, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, I got lots of URLs from him. Such a stimulating "debate"...especially when "winning" is out by definition, as he cannot let himself be wrong on this subject. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 15:33, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Just spam back links to talkorigins.org. They've got retorts to every argument he's made, and then some. --Gulik 16:01, 17 February 2009 (EST)


 * Slightly off topic, but I can't believe I didn't notice this (maybe it's already been mentioned), but did anyone see, at the end of his "Homeschooled Christians" list, the final bullet point?:


 * and... you??


 * I lol'd. Hard. -- 15:13, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * It was mentioned. But that's Andy's idea of 'encouragement' to the kiddies, I guess. "You too could be Great, if you avoid the pernicious brainwashing of the Ebil Public Skoolz!" --Gulik 16:01, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Andy's class
Do we have any idea how big Andy's class is this time around? He's not bragging about it being the world's biggest, so I imagine it's pretty small. For homework #2 we have 12 handed in, with at least one from a parodist. I think the feeling with the last class was that a significant number of the students handed in homework in class, so these numbers don't accurately reflect actual class size, but it is certainly small than his US history group. I notice the absence of a certain BethanyS. I wonder if Andy's chivalry turned her off of the whole thing. I believe she mentioned that she paid for the class herself last time, and perhaps she somehow felt she didn't get her money's worth (imagine that). Given the amount of effort most of his students put into his class (little to none) I suspect most of those taking it do it for the social benefits. Being homeschooled, Andy's class is probably about the only time a bunch of these people, who have undoubtedly formed meaningful friendships, see each other in substantial numbers. They show up to see each other, tolerate Andy's pathetic excuse for an education, put minimum effort into his homeworks, and go out for ice cream afterwards. Wish Kettleticket were still around to give us more info, but now that he and Phi have parted ways I imagine he's not involved in this stuff anymore. DickTurpis 14:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Keep in mind that he has offered this "course" before - it was the one that spawned CP in 2006 - so the original "founding" homskollars have already taken it. The current crop must be new meat.  I think his SES app. might have something to do with running out of victims whose families he knows personally. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:46, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's the most encouraging thing I've heard in ages. 17:50, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I imagine there's a lot more parent-forcing going on. People who know the Schlaflys and want to help out momma, stuff like that.  On the other hand, the idea of a group of teens being smarter than Andy is not hard to believe.  <font color="black" face="georgia">Z3ro  talk  14:42, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * It doesn't take a whole lot of mental gymnastics, if that's what you're saying. ;) -- 14:55, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * the idea of a group of teens being smarter than Andy is not hard to believe The idea of a sack of wet mice being smarter than Andy is not hard to believe. (As Foghorn Leghorn once put, "I say, that boy's about as sharp as sack of wet mice.") MDB 14:57, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * When Assfly torches the "large class = good" nonsense and adopts the "small class = better" logic we'll know a corner has been turned.


 * Does anyone know if there is a brick and mortar meeting with teh Assfly? Like on his youtube video? <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 15:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * The idea of people paying him for this is simply horrifying. I would love to spend a day simply observing his homeschooling classes.  If videos of him speaking are anything to go by, it'd be not only non-educational, but terribly dull to boot.  15:12, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Did you see this? It appears as if there is a meeting of some sort for the homskollars? <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 16:06, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Or perhaps it's Eagle Forum University?
 * That clip is from a CBC show, and those are Andy's homskollars, yes. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:48, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Who are Kettleticket and Phi? 15:40, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Little Phyllis Schlafly (what a thing to inflict on a small kid, just to fulfil your own Oedipal needs. Ew, Assfly, just ew.) and her former best beloved evil public school beau NathanG. --JeevesMkII 15:53, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wait - just be be clear, Little Phyllis is teh Assfly spawn? And she had a pubskollar bf? Are you deceiving me? <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 16:02, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * As far as we know. Kettleticket apparently was taking Andy's classes to get more time with her.  Or so he said, but we all know how Deceitful them evil Liberal Public School students are fnord. --Gulik 16:06, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wait, are you serious? Man, CP is better than a TV drama! --GTac 16:10, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Working on it... Essay:Conservapedia, the sitcom <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:50, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's like Romeo and Juliet, except that we didn't get lucky enough that NathanG didn't kill Karajou at the beginning of the third act. --JeevesMkII 16:14, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * So did the kid get the banhammer? Is their love forbidden??? gawd, I'm way too interested.... <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 16:16, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Oh shit...he did a MexMax...nice! <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 16:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, Andy's daughter is called after his mom and his son the infamous is called  ...... wait for it ..... Andrew! According to the erstwhile "future son-in-law", little Phyllis also believes in evolution. You may notice that she doesn't edit much on CP except to use it for chatting to her friends. At one time Kektlik (or however he spelled his name) used to hang out here and drop morsels of information about the Schlalfy household or the homskollar class. He was advised on several occasions to be less forthcoming about their affairs. I think we all felt some sympathy for him when he announced that his relationship had been terminated because their educational paths would be diverging.  <font color=Blue>Генгис    16:19, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Kettleticket = Kektklik? <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 16:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * This guy? - Pseudomonas 12:08, 18 February 2009 (EST)

I think most of what is written above is pretty accurate, except that Kettleticket never did take Andy's class, thankfully. It seems he hasn't edited CP since mid October, after which he permabanned himself, then lost all rights and was permabanned again by Bethany. He's edited here a bit since then, but has hardly appeared at all this year. We all hope he returns. He was a good kid, though substantially more conservative than any of us. DickTurpis 16:27, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * When his NathanG account was banned, he created a new account by the name of JonathanG, but hasn't contributed since December. He says on that page that his lack of activity has been due to "personal issues with one of the users". KlapauciusEsteemed Constructor 08:23, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Well we could use some more conservatives, I'd say. Too bad I missed him, the whole affair sounds intriguing. Think he would've snuck a hidden webcam under a cowboy hat into Schlafly's household? I'd like to see Andy's real life reaction when someone mentions liberals, I imagine it would be something like this (replace chocolate with libruls) --GTac 16:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)


 * ...though substantially more conservative than any of us., but still a flaming liberal by Andystandards. --Gulik 23:30, 17 February 2009 (EST)


 * True dat. True dat. DickTurpis 23:32, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Some points...


 * Phy believe in macroevolution.
 * When Bethany unblocked and reblocked me, she undid the IP address block. That allowed me to continue to work from my computer at the time and create the JonathanG account.
 * I never took ALS's classes, just sat in on a few.
 * I forgot that I had a vox account. Good job finding it, even though it was probably on the first page of Google.
 * I was inactive mostly because of being more dedicated to my studies (go figure) and spending time "in the real world".
 * I can tell you where they hide certain things. Like where a wife hides her secret chocolate stash from her children.
 * I'm not 'that conservative any more. Only on minor things.
 * Andy was actually rather chill in person. He wouldn't flip out if you mention "liberal".. it was more like a "yeah right" kind of moment for him.
 * I saw Phy a month or two ago in Shop-rite.. she ignored me. I sent her a text, then she apologized. Her father looked exactly the same; same shirt and everything.

09:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Who is TK and is he a mole ?
I don;t know who TK is at CP but it got me labelled as a 'Troll/Liberal Troll/UK Troll' for wondering why the article on 'Conservatism' was weak and semed to be a shopping list. However - I should have checked the page's author - God's Vicar in other words and a five year ban for that (why five years ? Is it biblical length proscribed punishment ??). TK was the one who banned and made it impossible to appeal unless i logged under another name. I haven't bothererd with that approach. Still - one would expect a Right of Appeal.--Rovander 16:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Welcome. By posting with the same name here, you have forgone any appeal and sealed your fate. TK hi! and a few others hi Dean! lurk here pretty hard. They'll ban you just for having an account here (even though it's against the commandments). Oh yeah...they don't like dissent, either. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 16:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)


 * You must be new here. TK is CP's resident psychopath. He isn't really any sort of Conservative or Christian, he's just on a power trip and Conservapedia is a place where he can get power. It isn't entirely clear who's side TK is on, if the term side can be applied to him. He once started a site called rationalwiki.info which purported to tell the "truth" about how evil we all are. However, he is also demonstrably no friend of Conservapedia either. Andy has decided to trust him again, despite the fact he does more or less no actual work on CP, because his psychopathic nature makes him really good at blocking people before they ever bother Andy with their pesky logic and requests for him to do things or make decisions. TK has now blocked a pretty fair fraction of the internet from editing CP, and shows no signs of stopping. --JeevesMkII 16:47, 17 February 2009 (EST)

guessed I wouldn;t be allowed back on as Rovander - unless I waited Five Years !!. And if TK is reading this - then you are a Stalinist my friend. In fact - come to think of it - perhaps Rationalwiki should 'out' him to AS at CP ?? He may be a Conservative masquerading as a Rationalist but is actually a subversive Liberal. BTW - how do you get banned from here ?? --Rovander 16:53, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * To get banned from here, you have to become a sysop and wait a little while. Sooner or later someone'll block you for 314 seconds or so. People here who aren't sysops don't get banned. Getting yourself vandal binned is fairly easy, but you still get to edit once every half hour or so. --JeevesMkII 17:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * By now Andy has to know about TK. The thing is, TK is such a sick fuck that he can be reasonably trusted to continue walking the line. TK knows that if he gets booted from hotornot conservapedia, he'll have to look for somewhere else to troll....come to think of it...I wouldn't mind cratting him here...<font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 17:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * The fact that you say you wouldn't mind cratting him is a sure sign you don't understand what he's like. He's just as happy to rip us to pieces as CP, and has tried in the past.  He seems to enjoy just randomly ripping up things. --Kels 17:09, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I guess I'd just like to see the sparks fly. And I'd know that he'd be so much more impotent here than at CP. Regardless of where he is or what he is fucking up, it still interests me. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 17:12, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Typically, the best thing to do with TK is laugh at him or simply ignore him. He's the most profoundly disingenuous person I've ever come across.  He's a terrible liar, yet he's convinced of the power of his rhetorical skills (chat with him as two completely "different" people and you'll understand). Also, he's convinced that everyone is AmesG, and that all socks are organized.  I love when he's disabled the odd account of mine in the past; he invariably uses the excuse "multiple accounts," and lists a bunch that must belong to others here.  Hi TK!  17:14, 17 February 2009 (EST)

[00:24] EWig10: i could come back 20 times there, and be in the same admin position, just by telling them what they want to hear [00:33] ewig10: I will work with anyone to trash CP, if they will work with me. Those who don't want to, they can suffer the consequences if in playing my role on CP, they get in the way. Who knows what TK's real aim is? <font color=Blue>Генгис   17:23, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well I can least read the edit pages on Conservapedia. They must have liquidated...removed.. a lot of accounts from there. I created an account there to talk to them on the pages there - and perhaps edit a page or two. But that chance has gone. Some of the Sysops seem pretty sane there - Philip Rayment comes to mind - but then he is an Australian rather than an American. I suppose next time I have to log back in as a credulous sycophant .--Rovander 17:27, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Always a good strategy, especially if you want to try for sysop powers there--Andy seems to carefully separate the wheat from the chaff, so that he can keep the chaff. And forget "warning" CP about TK--far better than you have tried and had it fall on deaf ears.  And yes, PJR does seem like a nice, reasonable guy...unless you dare to suggest that the Bible is not the inerrant, literal Word Of God, as that's his One Crazy Topic. Anyway, welcome to RationalWiki.  If you do decide to beat your head against CP's Wall of Ignorance and Fear some more, check out our handy guide, The Information Warrior's Handbook --Gulik 23:51, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Ironically, Andy welcomed TK back at the expense of at least one other sysop (CPAdmin) and several others seem to have become pretty quiet. No doubt, he's going about his business behind the scenes, sowing dissent and picking fights, especially with those he perceives as weak - Jallen and JessicaT. --PsyGremlinWhut? 03:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * You think TK perceives Jallen as weak? She comes and goes, but my impression has been that she's basically the number-two admin on the site after Andy. And goes on blocking binges every now and then. I'd be very glad if TK could get rid of her. --Marty 04:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * You're channelling Ed Poor? - I don't know whether to be impressed or scared. I dunno - given TK's age and general attitude, he's probably firmly of the "fairer sex", "women in kitchen" types and being the coward he is, will go after them before a Karajou, Dean or even Conservative. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:45, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Didn't TK already try to go all passive-aggressive alpha-male on Jessica already, and she showed him up? I can't remember the details, except that TK tried to burn the evidence (of course) and may have succeeded.  Does anyone know what I might be thinking of?  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  05:55, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Only 2 I can think of, is to do with cp:Atomic bomb - Roger restored his attempt to burn the evidence and - probably why he carries a grudge against her - he sided with parodists Bugler and RodWeathers against her, several times. --PsyGremlinWhut? 06:39, 18 February 2009 (EST)

STONE COLD! STONE COLD!
I'm a lurker, I have no username, but I had to point this out. Notice Ken's posted video, and who the "expert" is. 63.250.242.228 17:13, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hope you don't have a CP account... <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 17:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Nope. 63.250.242.228 17:20, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * It has to be true! After all, STONE COLD SAYS SO! HumanisticJones 17:23, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * You gotta wonder what this guy's doctoral colleagues thought of him... <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 17:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * What ever will we do when 🇰🇪, the most powerful champion in the fight against the EVILutionist, can't get his sources straight. Oh... yeah, we can laugh heartily. HumanisticJones 17:33, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I love how he tried to do the embedded videos we can do. 🇰🇪 you MediaWiki needs an upgrade, ask CPWebmaster to break it for you some more. - User   18:04, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Here is the video so you can actually see it and 🇰🇪 you are an idiot. - User   19:12, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's Stone Cold Steve Austin? Wow, he's really let himself go.   19:39, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Jesus christ this movie. The start was amusing, with its "DARWIN THOUGHT HE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS".. but then... endless boring stammering talk about pebbles in a valley where Darwin had once been, which doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Oh wait, after 5 mins, he throws in that only a great flood can explain these moves stones. Which he goes on to repeat for the next 3 mins.. Hence, this proves the great flood. Hence, Darwin was WRONG WRONG WRONG! Oh, the end is amusing though. Three reasons Darwin was wrong: 1) He didn't have an open mind when he came to this valley, already expecting a certain answer (THANK GOD THE CREATIONIST POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS THE GREAT FLOOD!) 2) He was reading the wrong book 3) He was using the wrong methodology, cause he got the wrong answer. In conclusion, Darwin was wrong about this, what else could he be wrong about?? -Sponsored by Creation Science, Austin. Thanks for the laugh, 🇰🇪! --GTac 20:09, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks for summarising this. I realised after watching the first few seconds of drivel that I wasn't going to be bothering with the rest.  Madeleinebiscuits 05:06, 18 February 2009 (EST)

We said "better, stronger, faster". We didn't say smarter! --Kels 20:04, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I've been immortalized (at least a little bit, and posting this will probably see it removed)
Addison, Addison, Addison. We could have been sysops together! What happened to you? What prompted this gulf between us? 18:02, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Is Addison a parodist? He certainly seems keen to have those parthian shots & bits of vandalism on show.   18:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Addison is one of Andy's homeskollars, so if a parodist then really deep-cover. alt 18:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Okay, can anyone set me straight: is Addison a boy or a girl? The name is ambiguous.  Also, s/he certainly has the makings of a  top-notch parodist (over the top attacks, endless fawning, ridiculous articles like this), but sadly, it's not the case.  18:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I can't tell what the deal with Addison is. S/he seems quite intelligent and fair, at times. Other times, she is off the deep end like your average parodist. I guess if you put a teen in a class under Andy's tutelage there's not much chance that they aren't going to pick up some of his traits and mimic them. Even just to gain approval. Patrickr 19:23, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I think Addison is just a normal teenage student (probably male, but I guess maybe not). You don't have to be a liberal parodist to appreciate a finely honed insult to your teacher now and then. Addison's contributions to CP remind me of the archetype where the teacher leaves the room for a moment and everyone starts throwing paper airplanes and spitballs and drawing naughty pictures on the blackboard... except that in Andy's classroom, Andy is sitting there the whole time and watching helplessly, because he's a little too impotent to control his class and a little too dumb to realize the extent of their mockery. I think Addison wants CP to succeed as an encyclopedia, but also wants Andy to look really dumb on the Internet. These goals are not entirely contradictory. --Marty 04:31, 18 February 2009 (EST)

I do wonder about Andy himself these days. I think Andy may be deliberately spouting nonsense &mdash; perhaps because he's antagonistically trolling the liberal communist evolutionists (mainly on this site) who fall over themselves with outrage every time he posts a new "insight"; or perhaps he just finds trolling fun, without feeling any actual animus toward liberal communist evolutionists; or perhaps, as has been suggested here before, he's a crypto-liberal-communist-evolutionist trying to poison the well of his mother's teachings. (I assign that last one an extremely low probability.) I'd say the probabilities as estimated by me are 30% real, 40% antagonistic troll, 15% neutral troll, 5% well-poisoner. --Marty 04:41, 18 February 2009 (EST)

President's day WIGO
Needs to be changed to a permalink of some kind. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:29, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, I changed it to a permalink at least. Would be nicer if someone picked out some highlights instead though. Also, the Schlafisms are awesome in this one.
 * Show me a group of five people, one of whom craves attention, and I'll show you a liberal
 * QUICK, HIDE 🇰🇪! Also, you JUST posted the news "Conservapedia has had over 80,000,000 page views! Congratulations to all conservapedians!"!
 * I repeat: atheists don't have God, and something inevitably fills that vacuum. The presidency plays that role for many liberals. Honor and worship!
 * ..But noone was talking about atheists, not even you? --GTac 19:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Coulter/Limbaugh/Hannity/O'Reilly and four boring people. Find the Liberal! Win a car! Go!  19:52, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I've put all the appropriate Schlafyisms into the Quote Generator already.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  20:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Liberals so crave attention, they will argue the slightest thing! --₮K/Admin/Talk 16:56, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Is this TK subtly mocking Andy? If so, nice. ENorman 21:32, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Or like every Republican congress person over the last 2 weeks, whining about "no bipartisinship", cause, you know, they didn't get their way!-- 23:51, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think this is their definition of "Bipartisanship": "Republicans give orders, Democrats OBEY." So screw them, sideways, with the Washington Monument. --Gulik 15:14, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Andy's spate of bizarre pronouncements
So a bunch of us have noted that Andy has been going steadily downhill since last summer and the Lenski affair. I wonder if it is time to start chronicaling his decent? He's made quite a few nutty assertions of late: Jesus invented the knock-knock joke and now this thing with president's day. I can see us going in tow ways. 1)just add some of Andy's pronouncements about whatever planet his is actually living on to his "serious" article, 2) Since he seems to be tripped off specific things that happen --Springsteen's appearance at the superbowl for the humor one and  the first president's day since Obama was elected for the latest- perhaps we should sock up and try to goad him into doing this more. Intervention or encouragement? <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 20:19, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Encouragement, definitley. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 20:22, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Do as you wish, but don't add speculation on his mental state to the serious article (don't EVER diagnose psychological conditions as an amateur or over the net), especially if you've essentially coerced him into saying something. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  20:26, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm of the general opinion that Andy's psychological condition could be diagnosed from ORBIT. Still, his odd pronouncements stand on their own and don't require me to dust off my pop psychology skills. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 20:37, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Latin Language Lulz
Not content with his bastardization of all things linguistic, Andy has begun to sin against Latin. I can't wait until he explains the British Empire. Any guesses as its cause? 20:33, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Goddidit. --"CURtalk 20:39, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * That bit on Latin is just messed up--his brain is borken. He wants to argue that Latin is able to express complex ideas more succinctly than English. So he takes a two-word Latin phrase, shows how it means a long, convoluted idea in English, and then reduces that to a more common, TWO WORD English phrase. Andrew Layton Schlafly is a stupid, stupid man. TheoryOfPractice 20:46, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * EC, but i was just going to say what TOP says. Actually, latin is amazingly annoying to speak / write in, but you know, he makes his assumptions from someone who did not study it, just studied the "borrow words" that legal texts have.  All languages have pluses and minuses, but when it comes down to it, all languages can convey the same information in some manner.  But you know, andy still thinks that "inventing" vowels was mankind's greatest linguistic achievement.-- 20:50, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * & Demonstrating Latin's role in the Roman Empire by comparing it to English rather than to any contemporaneous language. 20:58, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Latin IS an amazing language! In just three words they can demonstrate a concept that would take many, many words to say on English. "Veni, Vidi, Vici" or, in English: "The human embodiment of the man standing before you did arrive at a specific location at a certain point in time, upon which this individual opened his eyes to gaze upon all that was before him and surrounded him, after which this individual did put his enemies to the sword, in violent conquest of their lives, rendering them a defeated shell of their former selves, yielding their liberty unto me." Amazing, Latin, simply amazing. DickTurpis 21:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Nice parody, DT. Strangely, when I read caveat emptor, I don;t read Assfly's convoluted legalisms.  It says to me, "buyer beware".  Amusing side note: in grade school, a friend had a joke he made up, a drawing of a shop called the "Caveat Emporium" - geddit???  Hehe. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:46, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hee. I'd shop there... but I'd check their return policy first. --Gulik 00:01, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Cunnilingus? Fellatio? Coitus interruptus? The possibilities are endless. Love that Latin...TheoryOfPractice 21:10, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I was thinking an article should be created to summarise Schlafly's views on language. Something like "linguistic determinism". The theory that (actually non-existent or superficial) differences between the languages used by different groups causes the rise and fall of empires, the acceptance and rejection of religion, the ability to think about things that you can't see, and the denial of the fact that liberals' deify presidents. --Bil08 22:53, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Sapir-worf on steroids? Don't forget, you have to *invent* vowels to succeed as a culture.  czech people must have no culture at all.-- 23:43, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * As Orwell points out, it's a LOT harder to think ideas that you don't already have a word for. "Schadenfreude" is one of my favorite German words, which probably doesn't speak well of me.  --Gulik 00:01, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * The fact that English doesn't have a native word for Schadenfreude is no cause to gloat. ;) Pseudomonas 04:28, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * English (not uniquely) often appropriates foreign words or phrases and turns them into a short hand for an idea. In their original context they might be no better at expressing the idea or concept. We make use of latin terms like pro bono or ad hominem but those particular words did not have the narrower context that we now ascribe to them. I don't know why we have appropriated schadenfreude when we have the perfectly good English word epicaricacy. Vorsprung durch Technik. <font color=Blue>Генгис    04:57, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * WTF! I just looked at the World History Lecture Four and the map of the Roman empire is in Cyrillic. <font color=Blue>Генгис    05:18, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Now that's irony. -- 13:46, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * It doesn't get more German just by adding more umlauts..... ---79.31.23.8 05:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Vorsprünge durch Technik? Freude über Schäden? 05:59, 18 February 2009 (EST)

LIBRULS UNBELLYFEEL CONSERVAPEDIA! <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 07:00, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Foursprung Duck Technique! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:12, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Bristol Palin and abstinence
Anyone willing to burn a sock and suggest this news item? http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/17/bristol.palin.interview/index.html?iref=mpstoryview "Is that something that you were just lazy about or not interested, or do you have philosophical or religious opposition to it," Van Susteren asked.

Bristol quickly answered that she didn't want to get into specifics. The best option is abstinence, the teen said, but added that she didn't think that was "realistic." --Shagie 21:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Already making more sense than her mom. *sniff* TehKenny 01:23, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Maybe because she is living in reality? Not quite sure that's right, but I think it is. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:57, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Rog makes an unusually liberal entry
Roger Schlafly, not normally thought of as much of a friend to the libruls of the world, gives the famously liberal UC Berkelely props. Strange. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  21:47, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Roger got his PhD from Berkeley. - User   02:59, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah that was my first thought. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:14, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * For some reason, this reminds me of the time Assfly asked Rog if he had a proof of the Goldbach Conjecture laying around. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 13:09, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think Andy was using a crank website for a mathematics argument and someone pointed out that the website contained a "proof" of the infinitude of twin primes (a still open problem), Andy asked Roger if he knew of this proof. - User   17:43, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Attribution
So they got a complaint from a photographer about using his photo of Richard Dawkins on the Main Page without attribution. Andy, with all his lawyer skills to the fore, masterfully fails to understand that attribution actually means attributing something to the creator, but nevertheless adds the guy's name.

Interestingly, there are two other photos on the main page which are covered by the same licence but which are also not attributed. I feel a couple of emails coming on...

The message seems to be "we comply with the law only when asked to, and then only grudgingly so". Not very conservative really... Matt 06:24, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Of course TK unt has to swagger into the conversation. If I use checkuser and decide that you're a vandal, then we don't need to attribute anything. Good to see honest conservative values being used there. --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:16, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * FFS. These people drive me up the wall.  Nothing else in the world makes my blood boil like the Conservapedia sysops.  I spend time at RW in an attempt to find CP more fun and ridiculous, but I just get more and more depressed.  In most cases I just get really pissed off that these people and their stupid twisted logic exists.  Fucking.. dah.  *kicks table* Madeleinebiscuits 12:52, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * In the rare cases that they do give attribution it is only on the image page itself, rather than with each use of the image. I think that is what Andrews Shlefli was referring to when he said "We did that, and also linked to your page having the photo". Hiding away the attribution in a location that few people bother to visit is not really living up to the license. Strangely enough Ken added an image of Steven Jay Gould on the cp:Evolution page had an attribution to Kathy Chapman which was later withdrawn against the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution license by confining it to the image page rather than in the article. <font color=Blue>Генгис    07:32, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * I have to ask, before getting high and mighty, how many of the photos here are correctly attributed? <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 07:41, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not enough is the short answer. <font color=Blue>Генгис    07:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * We at least try to do it right. There are even a few images here we obtained explicit permission to use. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:47, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * You forget that as a lawyer, Andy understands the value of dissent...-- 08:59, 18 February 2009 (EST)

TK the tireless thief
A user adds a new page on the Opera Software company, but oh noes! It's been copy-pasted from Wikipedia! Andy JM reverts TK: That's ok because I use checkuser in a totally non-creepy way. Bondurant 08:50, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * They might want to rewrite their privacy policy: Conservapedia does not sell or share any information about users, except as necessary to report obscenity or vandalism to authorities. Pseudomonas 08:59, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * It would also help if they change their licence to the GNU FDL. What TK doesn't seem to realise is that regardless of whether the user who added the page wrote the original WP article, the fact remains that the original has been published under the GNU FDL and cannot be reproduced under a non- GNU FDL compliant licence. I count two copyright violations in the space of an hour, TK, good going. Bondurant 09:05, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Now that's not true. If an author releases something under GFDL on Wikipedia (for example) and then under whatever conditions he wants on some lunatic fringe site, that's perfectly OK. This obviously holds only for his own work, not for contributions by others. He can't revoke the original release under GFDL though - which means that anyone can take the copy from Wikipedia and use it under the conditions specified by the GFDL. --79.41.236.92 12:19, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * The conditions specified by the GFDL is that any changes made to a file under the GFDL also be released under the GFDL. Andy specifically rejects this therefore Conservapedia is not GFDL compliant and cannot use GFDL media (articles or images). --Shagie 15:02, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's true and I wasn't questioning that. However the author himself always retains full copyright, and therefore can use his own work in whatever way he wants. Nor does the author himself need to release derivatives of his own work under GFDL, even if the original was. In particular, every Wikipedia author is legally entitled to contribute his own work (excluding contributions by other authors) to whatever lunatic fringe site he wants to, no matter what the license. He cannot revoke the GFDL though, which means that people are still free to use the work under the conditions of the GFDL, with no need to care about CP's license (or lack thereof). --79.41.236.92 15:28, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Define "the author", bunchanumbers. There are dozens of editors on the wp article. You are wrong. Bondurant 02:54, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Also, BON, you are wrong in general. Once released to GFDL, the author no longer has "complete control" (great Clash song) over their contribution. The "work" is GFDL, end of story, no longer (c) the author. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:09, 19 February 2009 (EST)

How about you check your facts rather than assuming that every non-logged-in user is an idiot. Here, I'll do it for you:
 * If you contribute material to Wikipedia, you thereby license it to the public under the GFDL (...). In order to contribute, you must be in a position to grant this license, which means that either
 * you hold the copyright to the material, for instance because you produced it yourself (...)
 * In the first case, <strong style="color:red">you retain copyright to your materials . You can later republish and relicense them in any way you like. However, you can never retract the GFDL license for the copies of materials that you place here; these copies will remain under GFDL until they enter the public domain. (Wikipedia:Copyrights - emphasis mine).

But I guess that's just liberal deceit, right? --79.7.238.243 04:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * And to stress it once more: if he uses a version that incorporates contributions by others, then he is violating the license (and I've never been denying that). But if he picks out only his own contributions (say, the first revision of an article he wrote by himself), then his actions are entirely legal. --79.7.238.243 04:50, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Do we have to check your facts for you TK bunchanumbers? Just check through the article revision history of the WP article. The version copied to CP is a recent version that has been worked on by multiple authors, so you fail on that point, no matter how you twist interpret the rest of the GFDL. Bondurant 05:10, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Bondurant, you realize that you sound a lot like Schlafly & Co here? 79... is completely right in pointing out that the GFDL, being a license (that's what the "L" stands for), doesn't magically make copyright go away (in fact, it is based on copyright, otherwise it would be perfectly void), in contrast with what you clearly stated in your second post under this heading, and human in his last post. 79... never referred to the specific case at hand. Yet you refuse to admit that, accuse him of getting his facts wrong, suggest that he is really "TK" and that quoting verbatim the official WP policy page is really "twisting" the license. That's the problem with part (part!) of the RW community. Factual correctness is irrelevant. Looking better than CP is the point. In my eyes, the result is the opposite. Just a thought. --147.122.3.215 06:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * The 79... BON is correct. If I hold the copyright to a work, I can release a copy under the GFDL and another copy under a proprietary license. I believe QT do exactly that - they release their code under the 'viral' GPL - but if you want to use it without complying with the GPL then they'll sell you a copy under a proprietary license that lets you do just that - for a price. Pseudomonas 07:12, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'll say it again. The WP article has been contributed to by many authors. Each author has not submitted their work to an "owner" of the article, so no one person holds the copyright of the full article. The article as at 18th February was copied nearly wholesale over to CP. What you are saying is that the person who copied it over spoke for all the contributors of the article to allow it to be copied. I somehow doubt that (s)he did. This breaches the GFDL. Also, as stated on the same page that bunchanumbers quoted above:
 * "Wikipedia content can be copied, modified, and redistributed so long as the new version grants the same freedoms to others and acknowledges the authors of the Wikipedia article used (a direct link back to the article is generally thought to satisfy the attribution requirement). Wikipedia articles therefore will remain free under the GFDL and can be used by anybody subject to certain restrictions, most of which aim to ensure that freedom."
 * CP's licence is not compatible with this.
 * And quite apart from anything else, CP has a long standing policy of not copying from WP. Bondurant 11:14, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Very nice. I completely agree, and that's also exactly what I was explicitly not talking about. You are arguing in perfect Schlafly style by shifting the argument. Maybe I need to insult some conservatives first before you will admit that you and human were wrong about the GFDL restricting the author's rights? Or maybe you'll never admit it because it doesn't fit your agenda. --79.51.236.144 15:33, 19 February 2009 (EST)

I'm not sure what you are on about, so I want to break down the issue into its constituent parts, at least as far as I see it, then you can tell me where you think I am wrong. This is the same point I made over a day ago, so where have I been "shifting the argument?"Bondurant 16:01, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * The WP article has been edited by multiple editors.
 * No single editor owns the copyright
 * The article is published under the GFDL on WP
 * The article has been copied and pasted onto CP under a different licence, breaking the GFDL
 * There has been no attributation to any of the authors of the original licence, also breaking the GFDL
 * I didn't say that an author looses the rights to their copyright (that was Human), but I think the point is that once published on WP, you allow others to edit the same article, and once that happens, no single author (even the original author) has the right to redistribute the modified version, as they do not hold the copyright to it. The version on CP is the modified version.


 * I'm not sure why I'm even playing your game, however here goes:
 * "What TK doesn't seem to realise is that regardless of whether the user who added the page wrote the original WP article, the fact remains that the original has been published under the GNU FDL and cannot be reproduced under a non- GNU FDL compliant licence" (quote Bondurant, emphasis mine) - this is what you said above, and this specific statement is completely WRONG. Yes, you are right that the article you are going on and on and on and on and on about cannot be copied to CP - because the user who added the page did not write the original WP article by himself.
 * "Once released to GFDL, the author no longer has "complete control" (great Clash song) over their contribution. The "work" is GFDL, end of story, no longer (c) the author." (quote human) - completely WRONG, as the GFDL grants rights to others, but it doesn't restrict the original rights of the author in any way.
 * I'm not (not! Meaning, not, in the sense of NOT!) talking about the WP article. I've only been talking about your and human's general statements about the GFDL, which are WRONG, like it or not. --79.51.236.144 16:39, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Very interesting, I see where what you are saying is correct, 79xxx. However, it's a tangent to the topic of this thread.  Clarifying, but tangential. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:54, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, congratulations, you manage to be about one notch above Schlafly, who would never admit a mistake at all. You just limit yourself to stressing how tangential your mistake is. Just wondering, if it is so tangential, why did you go to the trouble of posting (as your only contribution to this thread!) such a tangential and wrong bit of information? --79.20.9.246 04:47, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well that's nice. I thought that human was being almost uncharacteristically polite in telling you that you are barking up the wrong fucking tree, and you come back with the Schlafly comparisons. You are off topic. All I can suggest to you is that you read the original post in this thread, including its links to understand the context of this discussion, specifically, the fact that TK seems to be excusing the copying of an article from WP because he used checkuser to see that the person worked at Opera Software, implying that this person may have been the sole author and copyright holder of the WP article. The "original" I referred to being the WP 18th Feb article, at that point in time a piece of work edited by dozens of WP users.
 * Le sigh... Bondurant 09:08, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Actually this whole conversation is characteristic of a significant portion of RW: Either bash CP or STFU. Who cares about actual facts. --147.122.3.215 09:16, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wow, watching this page like a hawk, bunchanumbers Terry! Bondurant 09:27, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * (Doing a TK) - and enjoying la dolce vita at the same time - Udine and Trieste. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:40, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Actually, I'm Hitler. Please also post my phone and social security numbers. You're welcome. --147.122.3.215 09:46, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Why does everyone think that varying-bunch-of-numbers-from-Italy is TK? JoeDuffy 09:55, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * I doubt that, Hitler was kind to animals at least. I will, but I'm waiting for when you offer to phone my sock. (PS Gosh, IP stalking is creepy, isn't it - no wonder you do it so well.) +1-775-stalker. @JoeDuffy - that answer above should allay your fears. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:01, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * JoeDuffy, "TK" is really just RW-speak for "Idontlikeyou". Only in some cases does it refer to a specific CP sysop. And you got my number wrong: it's obviously 666. --147.122.3.215 10:06, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * How about this particular case? Are you TK? JoeDuffy 10:16, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Seems like a rather pointless question. If I was, I presumably wouldn't admit it. If I'm not, then I can't prove it. My honest answer would be "no", but I don't expect people here to believe me. --147.122.3.215 10:32, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * "If I was, I presumably wouldn't admit it." This is only true if we assume that TK would lie. JoeDuffy 10:41, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * We don't need to assume that TK would lie, son. He's got a rap sheet as long as really long thing. Bondurant 11:03, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Which is all moot anyway, 'cos even if you are TK, you aren't likely to get blocked anytime soon, unlike that other haven of open discussion. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:49, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, why block someone when you can discredit them by identifying them with an enemy figure and known liar. It's perfect - when that person denies being TK, you just need to respond "See? I told you he was a liar." That way, you will always end up being "right", no matter how wrong you are. RationalWiki - Fighting Ignorance With Ignorance. --147.122.3.215 11:30, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, I know - it comes from hanging around Andy's inner sanctum. That kind of special ignorance he has rubs off on you after a while. Still, we'd be less suspicious of you if you actually signed in and became a name instead of BON. It's much easier to engage with folk when they step into your parlour. and unlike CP, we don't mind joint accounts - we welcome them in fact. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:44, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * Oh, sure. Sure. I'm convinced.
 * You know what? Нет, спасибо. Я пошел. --147.122.3.215 12:56, 20 February 2009 (EST)

SES Application
So 43 students took the class, 10 scored above the 50th percentile on the SAT II. How smart do you think the folks who review the SES applications are? --Too tired to log in 10:54, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Andy can't possibly think that his "application" is actually going to be accepted. There are VERY strict standards which must be met, and as he so often does, he's hand-waving the inconvenient ones.  "Liability insurance?  I support charity, that should be enough."


 * Frankly, I don't think he does expect the application to be approved; note his comment about how it might not be approved, and he "might be better off" if it isn't. This is another Lenski Gambit: he fully expects to be turned down.  Once he's turned down, he'll be able to claim that the liberals who run public schools are engaged in censorship against obviously-reliable and trusworthy educational resources that "happen to be conservative."  --Phentari 11:14, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * This is known among psychiatrists as Munchausen's syndrome Gauss 15:59, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * He's shot himself in the foot a bit there by prominently listing a bunch of institutions that are approved that he reckons are bona fide conservatives - Church-run organizations and similar. Pseudomonas 11:37, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Inconvenient data can be memory-holed--besides, Andy's always ready to declare that supposedly-conservative organizations aren't real conservatives, like him. --Phentari 11:44, 18 February 2009 (EST)

"The students need a short break before the program starts, in order to socialize, gather materials, and socialize." Erm... KlapauciusEsteemed Constructor 11:45, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * He omitted classroom prayer. Is he being deceitful? <font color=Blue>Генгис    14:46, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * I'd be very surprised if Andy actually submits at all. Applications like this can easily take a year or two to get fully assembled, and he's been half-assing it for what, a couple of weeks?  I doubt he has enough data to even complete the application in the first place, so anything he sends will immediately get binned for being incomplete/incompetent. --Kels 11:49, 18 February 2009 (EST)

I like how Addison (rightly) pointed out that he should name the "best university" instead of being so vague. And, his response was "Good point, I will change it to 'leading university'." So, I guess the leading university is probably something he runs out of his basement. Patrickr 14:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * I noticed that too. Andy's sort of the poster child for Unclear On The Concept. --Kels 14:27, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Speaking of being unclear on the concept, Section G is a masterclass in fail. When queried about his emergency preparedness plans, where anyone with even the slightest clue know they're looking for fire action plans, members of staff with first aid training, precautions put in place, etc. The typical kind of thing any business that dealt with the public would have to have in order to get public liability insurance. Andy decides that a sensible answer to that question is that he has a cell phone. FAIL. When they want to know how he knows that he doesn't have and paedophiles working for him, that he's going to let loose in a room with 30 or so kids, he decides that using "internet services" is a good way to allay that fear. Does mediawiki's checkuser function have a paedo detector now, too? FAIL. Evidence of facilities that meet the fire code, and aren't falling down? Well, we don't actually have any. I does my homskolling from my basement. I guess the public schools whose kids will be benefiting from my almighty wisdom will let me use theirs. FAIL. I can't believe this crazy arsehole is actually going to go through with this. He can't possibly succeed, and only an insane person would think he could. --JeevesMkII 14:40, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's already been settled, the application is merely a ploy. Take Addison, for instance. The kid is naive enough to think it has a chance. It's a perfect setup for pointing fingers at libruls. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 14:51, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Jeeves, what frightens me is that his answers are actually "not that bad" in the context of who typically answers these forms. I'm not from that area, but I work with the government on many applications for Election Code implementation and violations.  Trust me, it is more than acceptable to say such simplistic sounding things as "The school is already certified" or "Handicapped access must be there, cause they are a big building".  Hopefully I'm wrong; hopefully they will look at andy's lectures and say "WHAT THE FUCK??"  But I don't have much faith in teh governmental regulatory system to care about the things we care about.-- 14:57, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * I can't believe that for a second, especially in a society as litigious as the US. The whole point of this application is surely due diligence on companies who the state will be endorsing as reputable education providers. The cost of fucking this up is that the state government gets their arse sued by angry parents whose kids are maimed/abused/miseducated by fly by night outfits just like the one the Assfly is trying to sell here. Looking at the list of actually certified providers, I can't imagine that any of them would prepare applications this flimsy. They actually look like professionals. This is very clearly amateur hour, and he's not even bullshitting very well. --JeevesMkII 15:10, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * It sure made me think for a second... <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 15:25, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * How about his other answer for safety standards? "The instructor has a cell phone and contact information for emergency services and families to address any crisis that may occur." A cell phone! Noone will ever be in any danger! Patrickr 15:43, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Am I reading this right? The Assfly is applying to run remedial classes for underachieving kids from the more deprived parts of New Jersey? If so, it's a damn shame his application'll fail 'cos they'd eat him alive. I would love to see Andy try and teach some of my lot. But perhaps not as much as I'd enjoy calling the ambulance... :) --Robledo 15:05, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Has anyone actually read through the list of current providers?  Many are individual math/reading tutors.  Frankly, Andy theoretically could get certification, if he applied properly. Although who knows how many were rejected and why (I suspect Andy's biggest hurdle would be having no clear remedial education program, which makes him "just some guy")  15:23, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * If he did manage to pass, it would be fun to sit back and wait for the impending megafail when a non-fundie, non-homskollar parent realizes what's going on. Perhaps it could even prompt an overhaul of the application process. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 15:28, 18 February 2009 (EST)

The pain, make it stop! Now he thinks that when they want citations that demonstrate that the education programme he is offering is backed by research that demonstrates its efficacy, that he can cite an op ed piece in a farking newspaper that wasn't even written before he started miseducating kids. Is this all some horrible dream I'm having, or is this really happening? --JeevesMkII 16:34, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Not only that, but the link doesn't go anywhere (even if you fix the "htttp" he typed it as). Massive link fail. --Kels 16:42, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * "For improvement in reading skills, the textbook "Turbo Reader" is used." Give this man educator of the year!  17:20, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Haha. That is awesome. I saw that and figured it was just some Phonics book. But, I looked it up after reading this comment and found out that it's written by his Mom. Terrific! Patrickr 20:06, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * ...Oh, goddamnit! I didn't look it up, and that's absolutely hilarious.  02:36, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wonderful find. He probably got all the remaindered copies for nothing. <font color=Blue>Генгис    02:49, 19 February 2009 (EST)

I'm still waiting for the chuckle-fest that is promised when Andy tries to complete Section A. - "Describe how the services offered are aligned with language arts literacy, reading, science and mathematics standards as outlined in the NJ CCCS. Cite examples of specific standards and elements of the program." how long can he tapdance around the curriculum requirements on science and mathematics? mind you - it depends how thoroughly they check these things. The curriculum requirements are pretty hard for Andy to meet. - in particular things like [http://education.state.nj.us/cccs/?_list_cpi;c=5;s=5;g=12 Students will ... explain that through evolution the Earth's present species developed from earlier distinctly different species. ] <font color="#000099">Worm (<font color="#000099">t  07:13, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Narcissistic personality disorder
Finally Ed has diagnosed Andy's difficulties. JoeDuffy 11:08, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * And in typical Ed style, he blocks ConcernedScientist... then asks for a writing plan. They have every right to be worried about the lack of expertise highlighted by RW - especially when fuckheads like Ed and TK drive away anybody with a semblance of credibility. --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:31, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Just to save people the time, I figured I'd link to the WP version, it makes interesting reading. I definitely think that's definitely a category most of the CP admins/sysops fall into. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:46, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Good Faith & the Law
"/Conservapedia:Copyright they believe that good faith use should not be hindered by red tape. " -- hey, that's how Bush managed to get through the law for 8 years. "Well, sure there's a LAW and all, but laws are only for those who break laws, and not for people like me who are 'Good&Pure'(TM Pending) like me. I only break laws that don't apply to me, cause, you know, that Good and pure thing again.  Laws are meant for the Pleabians"

LIAR!!
Ok, TK unt explain this flagrant lie and abuse of copyright by yourself: You upload file and quote this: "This image has been (or is hereby) released into the public domain by its author, Orlandkurtenbach at the wikipedia project. This applies worldwide. Orlandkurtenbach grants anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law. " Guess what, at the download site, it says "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License" and the creator is JamesTeterenko, not Orlandkurtenbach.

Now, we know you lurk here. Let's see if you have a shred of credibility in that body of yours. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:03, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * I like the way he names an "author" (of a photo?) but doesn't link to a source for the image. Of course it's not the first time. I checked a while back on TK's image upload log and most of them were in contravention of the licences. I just can't understand why so-called Conservatives, who claim to respect the law and an individual's property rights, feel it is OK to cheat people. <font color=Blue>Генгис    14:55, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Let's not forget that his isn't the first time he has stolen stuff from Wikipedia and lied about it. <font color=Blue>Генгис    15:20, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Recite the Mantra of the GOP: "It's Okay If A Republican Does It." --Gulik 15:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Foreigners
CP doesn't like us pesky foreigners, I'm afraid. First, AndyJM is outed as a know-nothing paddy from Dublin, then Italy is cut off. BTW, Karajou, eternal range-blocks? Even TK doesn't go that far. 12:40, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Can your magic graphing stuff tell us how many IPs are blocked in total? It looks like something close to 14 million now from a rough addition. They're getting really near the magic 2^24 figure. Blocking a whole /8, that'd be a real achievement worth celebrating on Conservapedia. --JeevesMkII 13:42, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * The numbers in the graph are added up already, so it's just about 9,000,000 IPs, so he achieved only a /9 yet :-)  14:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * I guess I must be reading it wrong, then. I was interpreting it as 9 million IPs blocked in /16 increments plus a few million more blocked in various other denominations. So is it cumulative or something, does the /16 area include all the IPs blocked in /24s, /22s, etc.? --JeevesMkII 14:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * With 80,000,000 page views, that means an IP gets blocked about every 8.8 page views. Pretty impressive. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 14:56, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * The first pic is cumulative, the colored areas represent the numbers blocked in the according block ranges. Of course, the /16 contribute most. The second pic show which blocks are the most favorite: there are more /22 blocks than /16 blocks... 15:05, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * l'arron, you do great charts and stats & I find them all fascinating, hope you keep supplying us with these! <font color="#000066">Refugee <font color = "#00F0A20">talk page 20:19, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Thank you! I plan to carry on :-) 01:55, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Any chance you could do one of how many people with long blocks ever bother to come back after they expire? Sorry if you don't do requests...--Kriss AkabusiAAAAWOOOOGAAAR!!1 05:29, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Karajou is in excellent form today. I got another three /16 range blocks just by myself. I guess TK has convinced Karajou to join his crusade. :) --Marty 00:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm open for requests, but I can't promise you a quick answer. I've to give it some thought... 05:33, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Conservapedia is obviously a basket case now
Now that I read AS wants to bowdlerise ...sorry bowdlerize the Bible to fit with his own views then I would presume this one would 'trump' any other Christian bibles as a source of authority. In fact it is becoming so absurd that without them - Rationalwiki would be a far more emptier place...and er..I wouldn't be adding a post here !--Rovander 17:18, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * True. ® 20:51, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Ken drifts into absurbdism
He's gonna delete it anyway (like the lying pussy coward we all know him to be), but 🇰🇪's last response here is so beautifully weird and unrelated to the entire conversation so far, I just needed to share. --Kels 17:41, 18 February 2009 (EST)


 * Long as I'm on the subject of your abject stupidity, Ken, why do you put a link to an Ides of March video in your edit comment after your cowardly deletion, when it just reminds us of your UTTER FAILURE TO LIVE UP TO YOUR OWN BRAGGING from last year? Are you that stupid? Oh right, I forgot it was you.  You actually are that stupid. --Kels 18:06, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Hey Ken, I checked your atheism article. It's still a turd. And fix your freakin' calendar, you freak! --Kels 18:37, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Attention Gentleman* at Another Website!
PJR, here's one of your co-religionists (and commentators) explaining why your pseudo-literalistic reading of the Bible isn't doing you OR Jesus any favors. --Gulik 18:14, 18 February 2009 (EST) (*)Yes, there's only ONE.
 * Hooray Slacktivist! He did an amazing break down on why Left Behind is the Worst Book Ever Written. -- 19:54, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * He's still at it--he just finished shredding the movie, and I think he's starting up on Book 2 soon.
 * I also like reading his other essays. After listening to Bible-botherers like Andy or the IDiots, it's nice to read something by a Christian whose morals I can respect, and whose beliefs are merely about as kooky as mine (or less). --Gulik 23:44, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, I've been following the movie shredding, too. Book two is going to be epic. Fred's a brilliant writer. I think somewhere in the archives I mentioned how I conceived him as what PJR might be were he able to shake off the fundie tripe. -- 03:54, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * PJR's replied. His last comment... is RW anti-Christian? Or is it just that there are some posters here who are? Ajkgordon 08:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think this really depends on what defines "anti-Christian". I may not believe in a Young Earth, Eternal Hellfire or in an overly active God who got a virgin pregnant by Sky Magic, but I'm all about Christian values. Am I anti-Christian?
 * Or maybe he just means anti-fundamentalism? Or maybe he bought into CP's view that anything not fully YEC right-wing fundemantalist Christian is automatically anti-Christian? You know, kinda like Andy regards "non-religious" as "anti-religious"?
 * But I found that post bitterly ironic because it starts with "A good start would be to not misrepresent them" and ends with "a site that is pretty anti-Christian". Meh. --Sid 09:09, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * I know it's dumb. But, I feel bad that PJR thinks so lowly of this site. I am sure there are some people here who are anti-christian. And, pretty much everyone here disagrees with his YEC viewpoint. But, that doesn't make us anti-christian. He seems like a good guy. Even if we do disagree on a great many topics. I guess I am like Pam from the office I hate to think that someone out there hates me. Patrickr 10:40, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Rather interesting to see that PJR's been largely taken as a troll by the commenters. Although from what we've been able to see, he doesn't stand on very firm ground given that he represents (as a senior sysop he must shoulder responsibility) a site that does, in fact, state that things must be taken literally in their entirety.  And the anti-Christian thing is hilarious, given that Andy and the rest of the kooks he willingly hangs around with do far more damage to Christianity than we do.  I'd go so far as to say Biblical inerrancy types aren't Christian at all, since they don't worship Christ but the book itself.  --Kels 14:58, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, slacktivist doesn't get that many creationist commenters (practically none that I remember in fact, and I've been reading for a few years), so when they come attacking posts by Fred we tend to assume a troll. If Philip and his friends want to stick around and have a conversation though they're certainly welcome as far as I'm concerned. -- a Slacktivist commenter (User:Caravelle, talk)
 * Nice of you, but I'd be surprised if Phil sticks around, and utterly astounded if anyone else from CP starts a discussion there. A large part of the reason CP exists is because Andy Schlafly got tired of being beaten like a gong arguing on Talk.origins, and decided to create his own private sandbox, with no gurls or libruls allowed. --Gulik 00:28, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * I used to be pretty strongly anti-Christian. I _still_ think that Organized Religion, in any form, is the work of Satan, who I don't believe in.  But I try hard to be less anti-Christian, more anti-Stupidity.  It's just that right now, in America, the loudest idiots tend to be either self-proclaimed Christians or corporate flacks. --Gulik 18:09, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Oh, PJR--as long as you're reading Slacktivist, here's his views on Conservapedia. Unsurprisingly, he's not impressed. And I agree with his analysis of why CP is gravely flawed at the system level--it can't work the way Andy claims to want it to. --Gulik 18:25, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hehe, he called us a "monkey wrench gang". Good book. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:20, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Mythbusters?
Just what reason was there to have so many recent updates to the "Mythbusters" article only to have it point out that the hosts are atheists? I've seen the show many times, and I can't remember them ever touching on religion. Their show is simply about busting popular myths by using science and experimentation. --Irrational Atheist 21:35, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Citation. - User   21:37, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, and? The article is about the show, and the only updates done added that the hosts were atheists, when the article itself is a single-lined stub. If the article were on the host himself, I can understand; but what was the point other than to be petty? --Irrational Atheist 21:41, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's CP. That's the point of the whole site. --Kels 21:49, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, they're trying to inflict science on innocent children. Clearly, they must be part of the Evil Liberal Secular Humanist Liberal Scientific Liberal Atheistic Liberal Conspiracy of Liberals. --Gulik 23:50, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's not just science, it's the act of encouraging scepticism and questioning commonly held beliefs misconceptions. <font color=Blue>Генгис    01:58, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * I see TK has removed the atheist edits. Hi Terry! <font color=Blue>Генгис    03:14, 19 February 2009 (EST)