User talk:Roxellani

No one reads the links, but you probably should read “what our articles intend to be”. We’re not Wikipedia, we don’t aim for neutrality and we don’t try too hard to avoid offending people. Christopher (talk) 17:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)


 * So you basically mean you're free to be assholes however you like. Just because you don't aim for neutrality not try to avoid offending poeple doesn't mean you should purposefully target to offend an entire nation right away at the beginning of an article about their country. That's indecency. Why doesn't the article on China begin with massacres they've comitted, Uyghurs or Tiannenmen square maybe? Or can i edit the article on USA and start it with the fact that they've nuked civilians, twice? Hey, lets begin the article for EU with slavery and scramble for africa, i'm sure it will be great fun to remind everyone that past is full of jerks and murderers. One would expect a community with "rational" in it's name would at least be rational about national biases. But hey, it's your website, your rules. If you feel good about yourself, who am i to judge? Roxellani (talk) 22:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You do have a point. I’ve removed the hatnote at the top (which was unique to the Turkey article as far as I know), but left the quote. You could try to argue about the quote on the talk page, but I doubt you’ll get far; we’ve got similarly critical quotes at the top of our articles on other countries. Christopher (talk) 22:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Our article on France actually does begin with a quote from a noteworthy Stanford historian about France's colonialist past, and our article on Germany starts with a quote from, er, a noted BBC motoring enthusiast and angry bear about Germany's kinda excessive warlike past. So... PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you. I guess the hatnote is enough. I'm not even a denialist, and i even actually agree that the quote is quite correct about the points it makes. However the way the article was before, in my honest opinion, seemed too offensive. It gave off the impression that "this article was written by someone who hates Turkey, so keep on reading for absolutely unbiased information regarding this country". I love my country, but I also love this website, and recommend it to the people around me as much as i can. But I felt ashamed about the way the article was before, not only because my country is full of bigots and maybe some of them even do deserve that footnote, but also because this website i proudly recommend to people around me to get informed, has an article about my own country that right off the hat aims to offend 3/4 of it's population for no reason other than it just can. Thank you very much for actually taking me seriously, I'm grateful that this is a community that is reasonable and cares about the opinions of their members. You've once again proved that RW is the real wiki out there for me. And it means a lot to me as this website is my number 1 resource to help the fight against bigots and ignorants around me. Roxellani (talk) 04:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)