Debate:The Permissive Society

Has the permissive society gone too far?

Debate
We now tolerate racial and religious minorities, sexual minorities, and every kind of diversity imaginable. Some of this is positive (Racial discrimination is a cancerous growth in our history) Others not so much (Homosexuals are likely to engage in deviancy which damages society)

We tolerate drug and alcohol abuse, children disowning their parents. Where does it end? Our family values are decaying because of the influence of a leftist media with a Marxist bent. Where does it end? Where does it end?

I am trying to spark a discourse here. I know I haven't provided much in the way of substantive critique, merely the lamentation of one individual in the face of a permissive society, but I will respond to people who take umbrage to my remarks. MarkCarthy (talk) 18:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, you can do better sweetie. Hugs and kisses. CopperheadHisssssss 18:37, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, because places with say, Same-Sex marriage, or homosexuals serving opening in the military have fallen completely into chaos.


 * Or rather, not. --Revolverman (talk) 20:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Does this pass for reasoned debate in this place? I think a little more substance is necessary. MarkCarthy (talk) 09:33, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You want substance? Ok, then you start by stating just how homosexuals engaging in 'deviancy' is damaging society. And how gay marriage will destroy straight marriage. Go. -- PsyGremlin  10:10, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Psygremlin; Homosexuality is a thought disorder. It isn't natural. What is natural about sticking your penis inside an anus? The function of sex is reproduction. Men who have sex with men cannot reproduce. It isn't natural and its disgusting. And unhygenic. It spreads venereal diseases. By rights it should have remained a psychologic condition. Now we've accepted it to the extent that gay people can adopt children. This absurd state of affairs - a dangerous social experiment that is reminiscent of revolutionary communism - will destroy the family and normalise what is an unhealthy and dangerous sexual deviancy. Gay marriage is another absurd manifestation of this deviancy as marriage is for one man and one woman. Anything else is dangerous and unhealthy. MarkCarthy (talk) 13:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Pfft, wow the lameness continues. Talsley is much more entertaining, Rob so much more crazy. This is some pitiful basement dwelling incompetnet trying to steal some of their attention. Try something else sugar. CopperheadHisssssss 12:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * For the sake of decency I won't be responding to Copperhead's baiting, immaturity and discourtesy. MarkCarthy (talk) 14:02, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You can do better. Come on, provide some links to some right wing blogs or Fox rather than talking out your ass. CopperheadHisssssss 13:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Once again, I would request that you vacate yourself from this discourse if you are incapable of behaving with basic decency and respect for diversity. I assume this website doesn't tolerate such childishness - if this disruption continues I may have to seek disciplinary procedures in order to attain justice. MarkCarthy (talk) 13:57, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're a lame parodist, your stream of united bullshit and usage of British spelling pretty much scream it. Bad parodist, no cookies. CopperheadHisssssss 14:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

So, I see you're anti sticking-penis-in-butts. Is that only for two men, or would you be fine with a man sticking his penis into a female butt? Or will that destroy society, too? ±KnightOfTL;DR walls of text while-u-wait 14:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't want to legislate against homosexual activity. I just don't believe it is right that their relationships should be recognised by our laws, or that their deviancy be rewarded by adoption. Two men cannot raise a child. A family has a maternal and a paternal figure. The permissive society is encroaching on the traditional family unit, the most important network in society. MarkCarthy (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You didn't answer my question. Do you, or do you not, approve of sticking penises into female butts? ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR going galt: the literal crazy train 14:43, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this calls for a research project. I offer myself as a "lab rat" if you will. I'm not that bothered if I'm the sticker or the stuck but, let's try mass male/male sodomy followed by mass male/female sodomy and measure the effect on society. We can even try female/female sodomy (strap-ons permitting). This is important scientific research. Who else is up for it? Bad Faith (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ooh ooh! CopperheadHisssssss 14:34, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, so you say that you need more information on sticking penises into the butts of biological females. But you also affirm that you are somehow need no more information, are an expert on the effects of sticking penises into the butts of biological males? How did you get this expertise? You seem to be the authority on male penises and male butts. I expect you're passionate in your study of phallus/anus contact. Considering you're so willing to stick your penis into a female butt, I expect you must have plenty of prior experience that founded your vast knowledge of sticking penises into male butts! Argh, not the intended recipiant, sorry Bad Faith.±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR free guybrush threepwood! no new taxes! down with porcelain! 14:39, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You blasted liberals are derailing the conversation by not following McCarthy to the next vague talking point. The real experiment should be to take straight people's babies and give them to gay guys. If America still exists in, say, a week, we can legalize gay marriage everywhere. 14:43, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

-- 14:37, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, that should give Copperhead a good solid message. MarkCarthy (talk) 14:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, forcefeeding someone is so fun. Want more sugar pie? CopperheadHisssssss 14:39, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Back on Track
Now that the above sillyness is out of our system, lets have a real debate.

Homosexuality is one abberation that we seem to tolerate because of excessive political correctness. What about others? Drug abuse is rampant and is part and parcel of a young person growing up these days. This forces them to alienate themselves from their parents. When you add the ready availability of disgusting pornography, which deprecates women, we are lead to a young generation entirely enslaved by their own pleasures.

We repress our natural desires to violence and other generally accepted societal ills. Why do we not also repress our base attraction to 'free' sexuality and the experimentation with drugs? Drugs are bad, they are proven to be bad (by science) and they ruin lives. We must repress this for the good of society. Any thoughts? MarkCarthy (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Nobody is taking you seriously, you are lame and unoriginal. You cry to daddy when people say mean words. make an new account, try to be less obvious. Now give Uncle Coppy a kiss. CopperheadHisssssss 16:05, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No offence, but you always seem to be on the internet. You should really find something more productive to do with your time. MarkCarthy (talk) 16:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yawn. Old argument is old. Next up shall be "aspie" "virgin" "takes the internet too seriously" etc. Tired old arguments from unoriginal morons too stupid to come up with anything new. Try again cutiepie! CopperheadHisssssss 16:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I was just reflecting on the fact that you seem to have a lot of time on your hands. And that you follow every single post I make. I don't believe that is healthy. MarkCarthy (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you're in a corner again. You opened your fool mouth. Take your medicine. You're my new play-toy. CopperheadHisssssss 16:15, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I really think you should find some toys in the real world. Do you identify with the real world or do you use the internet as a platform for escapism? What do you do in the real world? Do you have a profession? A family? A girlfriend? A vibrant and active social life? Do you have a healthy weight? Do you suffer any attention related psychological issues? All these things and more should be explored should you wish to become a more complete person. Either way, I don't think stalking and abusing people with whom you have an ideological difference on the internet is a productive way to spend your time. That is my last word on this matter. You have provoked me all day, and have duly got your response. I apologise if I hurt your feelings, but your inadequacies are too obviously on display. You shouldn't dish it out if you're unwilling to take it. I hope you will now leave me alone to pursue the debate that I came here to perpetuate. MarkCarthy (talk) 16:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh my goodness. The man that ran away with his tail between his legs when I asked him if he approves of penis/butt relations is telling someone else they are an inadequate coward. It's like he's trying to armor his poor little droopy ego with Styrofoam.±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR longissimus non legeri 16:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * @Marky Yawn nice try. Again unoriginal and boring. Is there a spark of creativity in your skull? CopperheadHisssssss 16:26, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * So Marcus, all those other animals that display homosexual behavior are also un-natural? See, the problem here is that you are assuming a fact- that homosexuality is bad and unnatural. Nobody agrees with you because you have come up with no proof why it is bad and unnatural other than it makes your own sad little Marcus penis wither in fright. If you REALLY want to get on track with a debate, you have to actually present points that people have to debate in order to reach a conclusion, rather than presenting points we know are all about how sad and scared your own penis is. And no one wants to argue about how gay sex makes you want to go find your happy place. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR lavishly loquacious 16:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I have suggested that we move the conversation on from homosexuality (I assume you are adressing me, though I'm not sure). If you wish to discuss homosexuality please do so in the above section, not this one. Now we are talking about drug abuse and pornography. MarkCarthy (talk) 16:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you're trying to change the topic. Won't work. Try again. CopperheadHisssssss 16:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No. We're not. You are scared and a coward so you avoid the question. You don't want a debate at all. You want people to say things that you want to hear. Fight me like a thinking being, or fall like a loser. I still haven't heard your opinion on sticking penises into female butts, and now you have to answer questions about if homosexuality is unnatural or not. Or else you lose. If you cannot refute my points, you can't defend your arguments. If you cannot defend your arguments, you aren't debating at all. You're soapboxing. Man up or go home.±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR more at 11 16:26, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to continue the discussion on homosexuality as I've a feeling you will continue with your disgusting sodomy references. MarkCarthy (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You were the one who brought up the idea that anal sex is somehow awful and sinful and the domain of homosexuality only. I just wanted your opinion on if you would be OK with anal sex between consenting male and female partners. It's not my fault if you refuse to support your own argument. Just answer the question. Or are you scared? You seriously bring anal sex into a discussion, then are terrified of talking about anal sex? What a coward. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR free guybrush threepwood! no new taxes! down with porcelain! 16:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, don't forget female-on-male anal sex. Girls can fuck guys up the ass too! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 16:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And we've been fixating entirely on penetrative sex. One wonders if rimming and fisting have the same detrimental effects on society as sodomy. Is a butt plug better or worse when applied by another of the same sex or of a different sex? And, of course, we mustn't forget our friends from the transsexual community. Where do they fit in? Bad Faith (talk) 17:21, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * They probably fit in this way: "If it wasn't what I have been uncultured to like, it turns me off. Therefore things that turn me off are sinful and evil. Even when culture can't fully eclipse my own sexuality, resulting in strange fixations concerning getting mad about butts and penises." ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR critical thinking is the key to success! 17:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you're going to get all serious about it then there's a deep sadness in so much suppression. Much as I hate the bigotry so much of it comes from pain, a reaction against a world that seems so unfair when viewed through the distorted lens of the suppressed. If it weren't that I'm sure our friend is trolling I would say that what he needs more than anything else is a big warm hug and to be told that it's OK to feel this way. Bad Faith (talk) 17:39, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Aww, I slept though all of this : ( --Revolverman (talk) 18:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The Permissive Society 2.0
I decided to take a break for a week because the aggression was unsettling. I'm hoping cooler heads will now prevail and we can proceed to have a proper discourse.

My main bone of contention with the predominant social liberalism of our age is the effect it has had on the family unit. The average English family consists of a single mother with five different children by five different fathers. This single mother probably does some kind of drug and abuses alcohol. Her children, growing up without a father figure will metamorphise into a walking social problem and become part of the feral underclass which is ruining our country.

The solution is simple. A return to traditional values, with the importance of the family unit made predominant.

Divorce should be banned.

Drugs are banned, but that ban should be more properly enforced (Drug users should do significant jail time for their disruptive impact on society)

Paedophiles should face the death penalty.

Homosexuality is an abberation. Although we shouldn't ban it, we should go back to when we had laws regulating public conduct. Employers should reserve the right to dismiss staff who are openly homosexual. This liberal nazi ism aims to subvert scientific facts - that anal sex is unhygenic and disgusting and damages society.

Pornography of any kind should be banned.

Subversive literature and television should be severely restricted, banned in some cases.

Why won't politicians act on any of these commonly held positions? This liberal fascism tries to ram an evil message down our throat. We're supposed to believe that sticking your penis in an anus isn't utterly disgusting. They must think we're completely stupid altogether. MarkCarthy (talk) 17:46, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yawn. You're pathetic. Not a single citation. Your obsession with debating people over the internet screams "I have no friends, no sex life, and a constant need for attention" try again sweetie. CopperheadHisssssss 17:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * --Bob"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." 17:51, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Please go away if you've nothing to offer except nastiness. Why are you always on the internet, out of interest? I could do a spreadsheet about how quickly you seem to respond to comments I make. You really don't seem to have much of a life outside of your laptop. MarkCarthy (talk) 17:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Says the pitiful one who starts a debate page on a website? Next up, basement dweller, aspie, virgin, nerd, lalalala. Everything you have to say has been done, and done better, by people far more intelligent and original than yourself honey. It's so cute to watch you squirm. Who're you going to run off to next? CopperheadHisssssss 17:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * MarkCarthy leaves for a week and hopes to come back to cooler heads. Then posts a list of statements that contains some items that practically anybody living in 2012 as opposed to 1912 would find offensive. Are you sure you wanted to come back to cooler heads, or just heads that agree with you? You do realize that stating your opinions and then failing to address the massive human rights violations they contain is not going to win you many friends? Actually, who wants to be friends with you anyway, if you believe in borderline totalitarianism like you describe? Go stroke your ego somewhere else. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR yeah, well you fight like a cow! 18:12, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I want to have a discourse. Please respond constructively to my arguments. If you disagree with any particular ones, please expand on the areas of diagreement. What you see as totalitarianism, I see as common sense solution. In fact, i see the liberal political correctness fascism of today as akin to totalitarianism. We're forced to live through the destruction of the family unit, because liberals have decided to legalise and normalise abberations and deviencies and the destruction of the family. Please, engage in a discourse. Don't resort to insults and lies just because you can't think of a decent argument. MarkCarthy (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And you have yet to say anything vaguely interesting. Nobody is going to engage you in discourse save to mock your pitiful attempt at parody. CopperheadHisssssss 18:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * MarkCarthy (talk) 18:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * MarkCarthy (talk) 18:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "I want a discourse. " You mean, you want something that doesn't chafe your still-aching behind so much, huh? Fine. Let me detail exactly why your points are full of crap. I don't expect to convince you, because you probably mastrubate yourself into a stupor over them every night, dreaming of a political system that gives benefits to you and no one else, but I will try on the faint, vague possibiity that you have any capacity to evaluate your own arguments objectively:


 * -Assuming you're talking about the sickly-sweet 1950s vision of domestic bliss, traditional values are not traditional. They are stuff that was popularized by TV shows in the so-called golden eras that you drool over. They were idealism for their own day. Do you seriously think that there was EVER any society that resembled the ideas presented on TV shows that were designed as wish-fulfillment for the burgeoning middle class?
 * -OK, cool. So divorce should be banned. So you would really like people stuck in abusive relationships to be stuck there their entire lives. You really see the family as a baby-making factory, don't you, with its health only indicated by what it looks like on the outside, how many people are in it?
 * -So are you willing to pay the higher taxes to contain all of those people who are caught smoking a blunt once? Perhaps 3-4 years jail time, which is thousands of dollars on your money? And don't you dare say that the threat of jail will discourage people from buying drugs: that is not the case, it never has been the case in the so-called war on drugs, and you should damn well know it. Now pay up. Lots of taxes. Build more jails. You willing? Or do those rehabilitation courses for minor offenders look rather good now when your wallet is threatened, you greedy bastard?
 * -Pedophilia is terrible and sad, but I notice you don't mention a thing of increased education or awareness. Just the death penalty. Anyone who violates a child I think is probably pretty convinced they will get away with it, no matter the penalty, so do you really think your solution will deter them? Oh, wait. It's an easier solution for you, because you don't have to pay as much in taxes to kill people rather than educate the public.
 * -Aside from your gross human rights violations in your opinions about GLBT individual's active participation in society (seriously, do you even LIVE in the same year as me?) you still refuse to answer my question if you are against heterosexual penis/butt sex. Do you approve of women participating in anal sex? Y/N. Or are you using it as a scapegoat for your homophobic and bigoted position? Also, you automatically lose this point because you mentioned Nazis. Godwin's law, mate.
 * -Banning pornography is a violation of the 1st amendment of the united states of America, and it's clear you hate the US Constitution anyway so I'm not really surprised.
 * -Banning 'subversive' material is the first step in nearly every totalitarian regime, is a huge violation of the 1st amendment. Wow, you really are a hater of freedom, justice, and the American way, aren't you?
 * In short, Captain America hates you. Good afternoon. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR walls of text while-u-wait


 * I'm not American.


 * The family was fine before the 1960s and drugs came about. What really killed the family was the 'gay rights' movement of the 80s. This is an indisputable fact. THe solid family unit - man, wife, children. The children had the love of the mother and the discipline of the father. Now sometimes even the roles are reversed, as the feminists look to destroy the traditional gender roles that have created the modern world we live in.
 * I'm willing to pay higher taxes in order to build more prisons for drug abusers and the feral underclass who damage society.
 * Why are you defending paedo's? What is there to educate about? Maybe if we didn't teach that un-natural sexual urges are ok to schoolchildren, or that weird sexual kinks and fantasies are acceptable as part of a supposedly 'normal' sex life (They are not) maybe if we did less 'education' on the matter we'd all be better off. We're bombarded with constant sexual imagery and it is disgusting and wrong and deprecates women. Ignorance truly is bliss. There was a time when women were repulsed by sex and never talked about. Thats what we need to do. Paedo's need to face the death penalty in order to show society is anti paedo (Please note - I do not advocate the death penalty for any other crime)
 * I disapprove of anal sex as it is disgusting, unhygenic, and helps spread venereal disease. You don't pick at a wound with a dirty knife. By a similar logic, you don't stick your penis in an anus. Then there is all this excrement after wards. And the anus doesn't naturally lubricate, you need to either use spit or mass produced lubricant in order for the anal contact to work. The combination of excrement on sexual organs and the sheer disgusting and un-natural nature of it should be enough of an argument for societies rejection of such abberations.
 * None of what I said is totalitarian, please don't be hysterical. I'm not American. I don't know what 'Godwin's law' is. MarkCarthy (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * -indisputable fact that somehow feminism and gay rights movements have made things worse- I dispute it. Cite your sources, and I'll debate this. Fail to, and your point is null. If you claim something to be a fact, it has to actually be true. Prove it is true, and I can refute it. Fail to, and it's not proven to be true, is not a fact, and your argument is over.
 * -the feral underclass.-- Ohh, you're not anti-drugs. You're anti poor people, even as you already have oppressed them into being less wealthy to start with! Way to throw stones on someone already at the bottom of a well, jerkass.
 * -Defending pedophilia-- Oh, I'm shaking in my boots of your attack. Perhaps if more people were educated about the effects of it, if a grain of social awareness was used and a social movement against child sexual abuse actually got off the ground on a national scale, we'd see change. People don't violate children because of the law not stopping them from doing it. They violate children because their culture has somehow prepared them to, along with any number of mental problems or social problems. That you'd ignore in favor of just killing people. Many of these people face life sentences in jail for their actions: do you REALLY think that the death penalty would stop them?
 * -Ignorance is bliss-- Oh, yes, it must be. Now stop telling us of your utter ignorance on social issues and go to college.
 * -Anal sex is not actually that poopy if done properly. And it's funny that you compare it to sticking fingers in an open wound... did you know that the human mouth contains an incredible fauna of bacteria? And so does the vagina? And that during vaginal sex, it is possible to tear the hymen, or create an actual wound? I guess you shouldn't have any kind of sex. Actually, yes. You shouldn't have any kind of sex. No sex for you.
 * -You do realize that the book burnings of 'subversive material' are pretty much the first step in any oppressive regime? That there was incredible censorship in soviet Russia? That in china there is still an enormous firewall to block 'subversive material'? North Korea doesn't even let its citizens have any'' material that doesn't trumpet the values of the Dear Leader. Censoring material you consider 'subversive' is VERY MUCH a totalitarian thing to do.
 * I guess 'hysterical'' is code for somebody who disagrees with you? You do realize that nobody's going to have a calm reaction when you are suggesting what you're suggesting. You should just go even more whole-hog and go pure, unbridled antifeminist while you're at it. I wonder if I came up to you and said 'I believe you should become a breeding machine, to be kept inside the home, obediently servicing your wife. We all know men are the hot-headed, irrational sex anyway, and it shouldn't be their role to be out in the world!' if you'd be so willing for cool-headed discourse. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR going galt: the literal crazy train 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why can't you be more civil?
 * Homosexuality and feminism have destroyed the family unit. You want evidence? Petty crime is on the rise. Children have no respect. Violence is endemic. Rap music is popular. Our cities are tinder boxes of crime and looting. The reason? Lack of positive male role models. The family has been demolished by the gay and feminist agenda. The evidence speaks for itself. If I posted citations you'd just call them conservative statistics so there really isn't any point to that.
 * Anal sex is disgusting and spreads venereal disease. the excrement sits at the end of the penis and its really disgusting and spreads disease.
 * Why are you being so hysterical? I'm not planning any book burnings, I just propose some common sense restrictions on subversive material (such as child pornography) Only a monster would oppose such a policy.
 * Education - you people make me sick, you really do. The fact that people would even need any 'education' as to why paedophilia is wrong speaks volumes about our damaged society, the relativism foisted on it by liberals, the dark dark excesses created by social liberal permissiveness. Sometimes we just have to say no. You might think that paedophilia is ok, but I do not.
 * Women are more irrational than men. They bitch and moan and generally are less intellectually gifted. Again, this is simply a fact. They are good at raising children because they are maternal and stuff. MarkCarthy (talk) 19:19, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I like how you continually plead for me to be less 'hysterical' when really I am being pretty par for the course. Your ideas are pretty typically considered hate speech.
 * --"petty crime and other items as evidence of gay and feminist corruption"-- Try again. How about the economy, social privilege, and the false idea that things are somehow worse now than they were back then. Besides, what the heck are you talking about? Crime (in the UK, upon research, you said you don't live in the USA) has been holding about steady at about the same rate, with minor fluctuations between types of crime variance. About normal variation.
 * --"you'd call it conservative statistics."- No, if you got an actual source, I would then evaluate the accuracy of the sources. If it was a source that reported raw data gathered in an unbiased way that then matched up with other sources of data, then I would have to accept that you have at least some evidence. However, if you are admitting that you can only find bullshit sources to back up your points, then you've done my work for me. You are not credible.
 * --"repeating yourself and ignoring my points."- Wow, you really don't want to accept that not all anal sex is icky. I hope you realize you have a rather shocking amount of bacterial flora growing on and in your penis at this very moment, if you have one (I assume you are male.) so all sex with you would be putting those germs near someone's private parts. I guess that you should just never, ever touch your penis.
 * --"Women are more irrational then men"--
 * --"Misc. Misogyny" No, women are not on whole more irrational, nurturing, stupid, or bitchy than men. You are confusing the fact that your ugly misogynist culture encourages women into certain roles that you then mistake for their 'base nature' or something. By harping on about your so-called return to traditional values, you are creating generations of women who are encouraged to be irrational, are told that their only place is to poop babies out, are kept from education, and allowed no outlet for their frustrations. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR sufficiently advanced argument still distinguishable from magic 19:42, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * How are my comments hate speech? You are so politically correct you cannot even think logically. Political correctness is a curse and liberals use it as a logic free way of suppressing majority opinions (I haven't said anything that isn't a common position outside of pinko urban leftist communities)
 * I have lots of sources but I know better than to produce them here. My sources are scientific and impeccable. Besides, you haven't quoted any sources. Besides, I consider myself an indpentent sociologist making independent claims.
 * ALL anal sex is DISGUSTING. I have made that perfectly clear. Things come out of the anus - things are not supposed to go in. Its disgusting and un-natural. It doesn't even feel good. (There are only a few nerve endings, vaginal sex is much more pleasurable for the receiver)
 * I really had a good laugh about your comments about women. I take it you've never worked underneath a woman. Women in middle management are categorically insane, they have to over-compensate for their lack of intellectual and logical ability. They are shrill and frequently irrational. Women should stay at the home, raise the children, and insure that home cooked meals are always available for their husbands after work. That was the PERFECT society, and we threw it all away. What fools we were. MarkCarthy (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I also need to comment about crime statistics. Its a well known fact that crime has increased in all western countries over the last twenty years. Its just reported less because victims know that nothing will come from it (Police are under-resourced and all the bleeding heart advocacy groups make the policemans job impossible to perform)Look at the French riots a couple of years ago and the London riots last year. When you combine the mass immigration policies that have introduced strange and alien communities to homogenous cities, along with the endemic feminist-homosexual agenda which has eroded the traditional role of males as role models in society, you have a tinder box that will explode at any time. Political correctness is then employed by liberals to stifle any dissent from the so called 'consensus' about being soft on criminals and giving paedo's a free pass (By inventing psychological conditions - rather than just face the reality that they are disgusting individuals who would suffer the death penalty under any humane political system) MarkCarthy (talk) 23:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Women in middle management are categorically insane, they have to over-compensate for their lack of intellectual and logical ability. They are shrill and frequently irrational. Women should stay at the home, raise the children, and insure that home cooked meals are always available for their husbands after work. That was the PERFECT society, and we threw it all away. What fools we were. "
 * You know what is disgusting? This. I'm not even going to bother addressing your misogynistic claims.


 * "ALL anal sex is DISGUSTING. I have made that perfectly clear. Things come out of the anus - things are not supposed to go in. Its disgusting and un-natural. It doesn't even feel good. (There are only a few nerve endings, vaginal sex is much more pleasurable for the receiver) "
 * That is your opinion. I'm sure many would disagree.


 * "I have lots of sources but I know better than to produce them here. My sources are scientific and impeccable. Besides, you haven't quoted any sources. Besides, I consider myself an indpentent sociologist making independent claims."
 * That's convenient, isn't it? Mr. Anon (talk) 23:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You broke character, MarkCarthy!
 * -I'm not American. MarkCarthy (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * -pinko urban leftist MarkCarthy (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Way to use outdated USA Red Scare slang, a demographic slur (Urban Intellectual Democrat, Salt-of-the-earth Country Republican), and then 'leftist,' which outside of America means a totally different political position than the one you imply to have. Try better next time; I thought that referring to USA's hard right anti-tax thing would get you, but it was really PC that broke your cover. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR going galt: the literal crazy train 00:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So you can't defeat my arguments, huh? Better to just pretend that I'm not genuine. I'm a member of UKIP (With an occasional impulse to vote BNP, in order to give the establishment a kick in the behind). You really are quite ignorant if you think conservatism only exists in America. Please get back to the debate, and give the hysterical personal slurs a break. MarkCarthy (talk) 09:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Look, you fool. Absolutely everybody here except you has seen every single one of your arguments defeated over and over again. You are the only one here still thinking you still even have any points at all. It's just that either your opinions are so absolutely ridicukous you could not possibly be real, or if you are real your opinions are so absolutely ridiculous that you should not be real. Considering you listen to absolutely nothing, you have dodged every single avenue of reality in this discussion, you are either a person sitting there stroking his dick that he's riling people up so badly or a person sitting there stroking his dick that he's somehow 'proving' his point despite not giving any evidence 'whatsoever', and just jerking off to his own ideas. You don't expect a discussion. A discussion requires this one key rule: both participents have to be able to admit that they are wrong if they are actually wrong. In order for you to be right, every single sociology course I have ever taken in my life would have to be wrong, I would have to submit 'oh wow cool I should strip away all my rights as a woman, I am actually some sort of bestial inferior breeding machine' as well as 'oh hey I don't believe I have rights as a bisexual person either, I was totally wrong about actually being a human who deserves to be treated equally,' I would have to deny every single history course I have ever taken in my life about the events in facist countries in regards to control of information, I would have to toss out the knowledge of contemporary psychology that sexuality is healthy and normal, I would have to toss out my potential career because the first amendment would have to be null and void, I would have to throw out the experiences of those who came before me as well as general historic cultural context because obviously there was an age without porn or sexuality that was a golden age sometime before us.
 * Look, you fool. Absolutely everybody here except you has seen every single one of your arguments defeated over and over again. You are the only one here still thinking you still even have any points at all. It's just that either your opinions are so absolutely ridicukous you could not possibly be real, or if you are real your opinions are so absolutely ridiculous that you should not be real. Considering you listen to absolutely nothing, you have dodged every single avenue of reality in this discussion, you are either a person sitting there stroking his dick that he's riling people up so badly or a person sitting there stroking his dick that he's somehow 'proving' his point despite not giving any evidence 'whatsoever', and just jerking off to his own ideas. You don't expect a discussion. A discussion requires this one key rule: both participents have to be able to admit that they are wrong if they are actually wrong. In order for you to be right, every single sociology course I have ever taken in my life would have to be wrong, I would have to submit 'oh wow cool I should strip away all my rights as a woman, I am actually some sort of bestial inferior breeding machine' as well as 'oh hey I don't believe I have rights as a bisexual person either, I was totally wrong about actually being a human who deserves to be treated equally,' I would have to deny every single history course I have ever taken in my life about the events in facist countries in regards to control of information, I would have to toss out the knowledge of contemporary psychology that sexuality is healthy and normal, I would have to toss out my potential career because the first amendment would have to be null and void, I would have to throw out the experiences of those who came before me as well as general historic cultural context because obviously there was an age without porn or sexuality that was a golden age sometime before us.


 * In other words, if you are real person, and you threw out all of that potential knowledge, it's very likely your head is completely empty. You probably never went to school, have been suckling off of some overseas pundit's gummy tit all your life, you never have had any kind of sex to speak of, and you never have ever even talked to a woman in your life. Honestly, it's kind of a waste of time to talk to some asshole stuck in a closet with his head so far up his ass he can see his small intestines. If you aren't a real person, you are the worst troll I have ever seen; I have been biting to see if I can make you break character, and you seem to have done it repeatedly, yet you refuse to call it a night.
 * The only one who thinks you are winning is you. When Blue makes a list of highlights that show exactly how stupid and bigoted you are for the entertainment of the rest of the site, you're down and out. We're laughing you off stage, and you're still here, picking your nose. Enough. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR just shut up already 13:56, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Again with the personal insults and incivility because you cannot come up with a decent argument. You hide behind the politically correct smokescreen in order to avoid substantive debate. You really aren't holding yourself very well here. I'm not surprised to learn that you're female.
 * All of the sociology, psychology and 'history' you speak of is part of a conspiracy of contempt that aims to keep the truth from real people. There are movements which challenge the leftist and university bias that permeates all discourse about the culture wars. Academics tend to be left wing and socially liberal - why would anyone be surprised that they have concluded that permissiveness is fine and 'healthy'? I bet you've never reflected on this inherent contradiction even once in your life. Our society is much too permissive, we've been invaded by an abhorrent relativism that see's anal sex and paedophilia as legitimate. Then those who take a stand for traditional valeus are maligned as having 'completely empty heads'. Your comments are churlish and uncivil and irrational. I make the point that women are, in general, more irrational than men. You then proceed to prove that point for me. MarkCarthy (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have officially failed to care about you. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR garrulous en guerre 14:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Blue's select quotes for a Daily Show-esque review of this "debate"
MarkCarthy says... And stuff. 20:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "What you see as totalitarianism, I see as common sense solution."
 * "There was a time when women were repulsed by sex and never talked about. Thats what we need to do."
 * "You don't pick at a wound with a dirty knife. By a similar logic, you don't stick your penis in an anus. Then there is all this excrement after wards."
 * "Homosexuality and feminism have destroyed the family unit. You want evidence? Petty crime is on the rise. Children have no respect. Violence is endemic. Rap music is popular."
 * "...the excrement sits at the end of the penis and its really disgusting..."
 * "Women are more irrational than men. They bitch and moan and generally are less intellectually gifted. Again, this is simply a fact. They are good at raising children because they are maternal and stuff."


 * MarkCarthy (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * [[File:Dolan.png]] 01:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC)