Talk:Robert Lazar

Balance fallacy, appeal to gravity, tone argument, etc below, read at own risk.
Whoever wrote this clearly has a MASSIVE hate-boner for the guy. Could we rewrite this to be a bit more.. i dunno, rational? Talk more about actual facts about him, don't have an entire section for a joke, and spend less time railing into him and insulting him and more time actually presenting both sides of his claims, for and against. Aside from the tidbits where things he's said have turned out to be true, like the hand scanners, his direct correlation to the fist public agknowledgement of Area 51 and the existence of S4. Opening the article with how he has "fantasies" of working at Area 51 is just childish. There's snark, and then there's trying to be like Uncyclopedia where the article ends up not providing any substantial information. As it is the article is more about hating him than.. well, him. 75.134.45.1 (talk) 13:44, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Couldn't agree more with the above. Who the fuck wrote this? This is supposed to be "rational"? Give me a break. There is much more to this story, and this mockery is pathetic.


 * Fantastically advanced antigravity alien saucer spacecraft being hidden by the government? A world-wide conspiracy to cover up interactions between aliens and humans for 10,000 years? And all the proof that is offered is "tidbits"? Nope, this is National Enquirer level bullshit. His claims are justifiably mock-able. "Presenting both sides of his claims, for and against" is not required. If you have a fractured ankle, a doctor doesn't say "There are two possible treatments. I could take X-Rays, set it, put a cast on it, then send you home with some pain meds. Or, I could cast a spell to drive out the demons". Millennium Scallion (talk) 19:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


 * "There is much more to this story". You're right, stuff like him lying about his academic and work background, failing to provide what should be trivially easy to produce evidence to prove the background he claims, and his spectacularly poor understanding of physics and chemistry. He also wasn't the first to popularize area 51 alien conspiracy theories or the first to publicly acknowledge it, there's no evidence of an "S-4" section of the base either. The existence of the Groom Lake facility has never been secret and military aerospace enthusiasts knew about it before the UFO crowd had their attention drawn to it. 2600:1700:D090:1820:EDE8:C535:BF4D:1354 (talk) 05:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * This shit reads like Conservapedia. If the rest of rational wiki is like this, it will be about as useful. --64.254.187.237 (talk) 06:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * WAAAHHH!! YOU DON'T BELIEVE MY IDOL'S DUBIOUS CLAIMS!!! WAH!!!! Ahem, now that I've finished mocking you for failing to think critically concerning a blatant grifter, (his whole sob story is a blatant hook to get people to buy his supplements) do you actually have any evidence for space aliens or did you just come here to bitch like a child? 12:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Correction, "products" not "supplements", I was thinking of Joe Rogan. My point still stands though. 12:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Some small vindications Bob Lazar, Element 115, Massive Stars & Heavy Metals
Plz update the article with information in this article's sources: https://www.exopolitics.org/bob-lazar-element-115-massive-stars-and-heavy-metals-repost/ Do the claims in the article check out well? I'm not an expert at source reliability.
 * No shit. One article from a conspiracy website (seriously, the first ad I see is for "America's secret space program." Uh, huh, sure...) doesn't beat seventeen reputable sources saying he's full of shit. Besides, I (again) should point out that if the U.S. government discovered ETs, they wouldn't be covering it up, they'd be yelling about how evil they are and how we should go to war with them to steal all their stuff "liberate them". Request denied. 18:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The claims put forward there don't seem to check out well no. It isn't a 'reliable' source either. 18:46, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Area 51 declassification
At the end of this section someone stated "And no government document is known to have ever mentioned anything called "S-4"." That was tagged for citation, but I think the entire line should be removed. For one, it's redundant at this point in the wiki. Those who don't know him and looked this up have already concluded either he, or rational wiki, to be full of it. Secondly, you can't find a definitive source for something top secret not existing, so the citation can't clarify anything. I think it's all apcray myself, but can't see a way to make this statement improve the article. Am I off base here? This being my first time on RW, I would rather reach out than edit a page myself.
 * 20:24, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Evidence of Credentials being Erased.
"A pathalogical liar" apparently allowed to work at national Partical Accelerator:
 * https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQ33VLkaEeM6nBRGIdazDA2UB1h99yMTHSPjypaNf2h2txrANdA&usqp=CAUhttps://i.imgur.com/Lfe4nV5.jpg

I'm sure when they published that article they never considered contacting the facility to verify his employment, and that those that hired him, never considered checking into his background at the time. And as such hired a random uncredentialed "pathological liar" to work on the premises. I submit this as evidence that his credentials have been systematically erased in an effort to discredit him, to replace the tumbleweed gif of his evidence.

Publication: Los Alamos Monitor, Page A1 and A8

Date: Sunday, June 27, 1982

by Terry England, Monitor Staff Writer

https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/bobs-jetcar-article/ &mdash; Unsigned, by: 98.187.59.73 / talk
 * Are you fucking kidding me? Your response to his lack of credentials is to claim he actually was employed but that it was covered up? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?! That's stupid. Request denied. 15:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, they just let any random uncredentialed idiot work at particle accelerators. The other posters were right, this place is no different than Conservapedia. I provided evidence with my claim that he was employed, and you reject it based on nothing.
 * Your assumption is that he worked on particle accelerators. You're jumping the gun! You haven't proven that he worked at the particle accelerators yet! And then you go "The evidence is being suppressed" instead of providing the supposed evidence! Let me abstract his. Your argument is B, therefor C, therefor D. But you have yet to prove A, and further, have not connected B, C, and D. You haven't proven the basics! You've given me a blurry image and a Conspiracy theorist blog. Why not say, a WikiLeaks leak? I mean, they still haven't gotten their shit together last I heard, but they'd at least be a better source!  18:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * "...when they published that article they never considered contacting the facility to verify his employment". That's probably exactly what happened. It's a "local color" article in a small town newspaper, not the Pentagon Papers. Lazar worked as a subcontractor technician. It's not too hard to imagine he inflated his status, or simply let the reporter think he was a staff physicist. 2601:18F:802:E160:FDAA:5ED1:CDFF:B795 (talk) 18:18, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Some place even higher
♫From within your mind, no one else can find The life that you inspire From another place, not from outer space But from some place even higher Bob Lazaaaaaar (you are) Bob Lazaaaaaar (you are) I can touch, I can feel, I can hear and see So much more than a fantasy I can run, I can jump! I can dance and sing Believe in yourself and do anything (believe in yourself and do anything)♫ 17:50, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Not Begging the Question
"So unless the neuralyzer from Men in Black is a real thing, Lazar is simply a liar, and not a very good one either. Which begs the question: "

There was an actual Begging the Question page on RationalWiki until it was merged with Circular Reasoning. That makes this improper usage particularly embarrassing.