Essay talk:Conservapedia and Women

Your Shame...
Is not entirely warranted. While I'd love to see more wimmen, womyn, wymyn, women and even chicks, broads, dames and girlies here, I would argue that a place that doesn't automatically revert "he or she" is way more female-friendly than a room full of Phyllis Schlaflys. PFoster 23:40, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * If I out myself here, maybe 5 confirmed chicks on RW will be considered sufficient enough to remove the disclaimer, but I'm not really a regular. -Pretzel 01:00, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Now all we have to do is make you a sysop : )  -- 01:11, 25 February 2008 (EST)
 * Shh...some of the CP crowd might be watching. Next thing we know we'll be hearing about "affirmative action sysops." ;) -Pretzel 01:25, 25 February 2008 (EST)

You forgot Barbara Shack, who is sporadic, but does come here regularly and contribute. We also have more (like, some) openly (or at least coyly) GLBTQF editors - most or all of whom are also sysops. human  14:08, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * I thought Cracker was our only one? And I didn't want to count male bi/homosexuals in with the general female population, because that would be disrespectful—they aren't the same people.  -- 14:40, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * As a completely unrelated comment, it always miffs me how gay, lesbian, bi, and transgender people are all lumped together into the GLBT community, as if "transgender" were a sexual orientation like gay, lesbian, or bi. Some transgendered people are straight (although, if you think like a CP user, any heterosexual transman is in fact a lesbian woman — yeesh!). -Pretzel 15:02, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Doesn't bother me really - it's more a matter of leveraging the GLB visibility to help out the T's. They all encounter persecution and misunderstanding over sex and gender issues.  I also tagged on Q(ueer) and F(urry) above for fun.  The "coyly" part was meant to refer to occasional comments or situations that might lead one to think someone is G/L/B without them being explicit.  I can think of a few, but due to their coyness, I think that's private. human  15:40, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * Ah, well, I've always figured that transgenderism and gayness probably have different neuroanatomical causes. Piggybacking the trans rights movement off of the G/L/B rights movement kind of strikes me as making it easy for anti-gay types to try to shoot down transgenderism with that old "It's a lifestyle choice!" stone they always throw at homosexuality. Of course, that's probably the exact reason -T has joined up with GLB-, sort of like the historic partnership of the feminist and civil rights movements. -Pretzel 21:43, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Honestly, virtually nothing in the LGBT community is trans-oriented. In Washington state the protection of "gender identity and expression" is covered by the definition of "sexual orientation".  They pushed and codified it into law that the transgendered are the same as bi/gay/lesbian.  When an alternate ENDA was being pushed out without transgender protections, I got a letter from the Gay and Lesbian Taskforce about it. The letter literally said, "we're not doing this for our transgender allies, although it is important to them, we're doing it for us."  I was entirely shocked that the LGB community continue to be entirely insensitive of transgender issues, yet continue to pretend like they're supporting transgender issues.  Then of course the other thing, is you can't be a part of the LGBT community, if you're not "in" with the LGB community.  Just being transgender isn't sufficient, rather you have to be part of the movement, you're not allowed to have ignorant notions about LGB issues, etc. All of it turns into "OMG! You're a homophobe!"  Of course, the lovely issue is that transpeople don't need to fight for marriage rights (well, ok, in three states they need to), and in Iran where homosexuals are put to death, the transsexuals receive nationally-sanctioned (and mandatory) operations.  Mention any of this, and you're confronted with a wall of complaints from people about how you're dividing the community, and how can you support Iran when they sentence homosexuals to death? ... Uh, we're not supporting it, we're just stating fact.  But anything that might drive a wedge between LGB and T results in flames and edit wars (see: Wikipedia).
 * The trans community by and in large has always supported themselves, with Andrea James, Anne Lawrence, etc. These are people who are dedicated to trans issues, typically because they are trans, or know one (or knew one :( crappy hate-murders).  There are particularly two types of transgendered people from what I've seen (ok, there's a hojillion combinations of divisions you can make, but I'm just pointing out one) (ok, it's not "two types" but rather a spectrum, duh) (yes, I'm only talking about MTFs here) there are transsexuals who transition and become a part of female society as a nominal member, and there are transsexuals that just don't (or can't) fit in.  The latter typically associate more with the LGBT community, because of the acceptance for who they are, and in particular typically are surrounded with trans friends.  The former have less of a need for the "community" because they are part of the female community.  One might be surprised that some trans people never or rarely attend trans support groups.  One's first instinct is that a trans person needs support from people who understand her or him, yet typically, all you need for support, is just that: support.  Friends don't need to know everything you went through to offer you support and guidance... they just need to care.  But by "alienating" yourself with the "community", you upset people. I'm not quite sure why, but you do.  Perhaps its because they feel that you're abandoning them, or you think you're better than them, or whatever.  The reasons don't really matter, because in the end, you get hated on for not being a part of "the team", whatever that is supposed to be.  --Eira omtg!  The Goat be praised. 15:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Race
Next issue for the avid essayist? human  14:09, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Only ChuckB, as far as I know. And he's not even a sysop (yet), so our ratio is... 0:42.  That is sad beyond words.  Also, I haven't had much experience with race on wikis.  I would welcome it if anybody here would share their (on-wiki) experiences with me.


 * Oh, you meant race on Conservapedia? ...I have no idea.  It is impossible to determine the ethnicity of editors unless they self-identify themselves.  But I do suppose it would be an interesting topic, nonetheless.  -- 14:32, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * * Banned* Reason: Blacks are well known liberals. --Eira omtg! The Goat be praised. 16:01, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Fallen Morgan
Not female - read blog Susan  Purrrrr  14:38, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry about that. I would've sworn I saw something...  Anyways, I fixed it.  -- 14:50, 26 February 2008 (EST)


 * It's funny, but the only famous Morgan I can think of offhand is Morgan Freeman, so I suppose that just reaffirms the fact that not everyone named Morgan is necessarily female. -Pretzel 14:52, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Don't forget Captain Morgan! -- 15:09, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * There's that opposition leader from Zimbabwe as well - Morgan Zwangerai or something like that. But otherwise I'm hard-pressed to think of others. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:11, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * I assumed he was female because of "Fallen", which, when used as a name, is female. Also, I new a girl in third grade named Fallen.  So three cheers for experience-based bias!  : )  -- 15:08, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Morgan Fairchild has lady bits, as I recall. And it sounds kinda Welshish, so "FallenMorgan" could also be some sort ofo historical ref. (vis. county named "Glamorgan").  Also, isn't there a Morgan in the King Arthur legend stuff?  And why are we stalking this editor  Hehe. human  15:37, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Because it's a slow evening? Anyway, you're thinking of the infamous Morgan le Fay, half-sister of Arthur, student under Merlin, and responsible for all sorts of general naughtyness and intrigues. Lovely character. :-) -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:40, 26 February 2008 (EST)

My compliments
Putting up the disclaimer was a noble thing to do. DoggedamesP 15:13, 26 February 2008 (EST)
 * Thank you. -- 16:32, 26 February 2008 (EST)

"Women are also overwhelmingly liberal"
[Citation needed]. I've seen too many conservative women to count. Anti-feminist women too, starting from my own mother, frustratingly. - LucidFox (talk) 04:11, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Women more likely to be Democrats. Minority/politically underrepresented populations will often lean liberal. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:14, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "More likely" != "overwhelmingly". Furthermore, that essay only deals with the United States. I do agree with the more general trend, though. - LucidFox (talk) 04:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Got me there. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:57, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Women are overwhelmingly liberal? Perhaps you'd care to tell that to:

(the good)


 * Ayn Rand
 * Margaret Thatcher
 * Pamela Geller
 * Baroness Sayeeda al Masri

(the not-so good)


 * Melanie Phillips (albeit a former liberal)
 * Michelle Bachmann
 * Sarah Palin
 * Anne Widdecombe

and

(the awful)


 * Phyllis Schlafly --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 16:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Jesus Christ, I wrote this over five years ago.  06:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

And it's still there! --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Have things changed much? Scarlet A.pngpostate 16:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)