Talk:Main Page/Archive26

Fundraiser
Can some 'jiggery-pokery' be done - the text says half and the percentage is 2/3+.

And when the goal gets to 100+% change the banner to something appropriate. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:56, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The banner is cached. Purge your cache to see the current form.
 * Any suggestions for post-100%? αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 00:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Next day - the banner still says half way.

Somewhere between snark and pedant. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Now 79% is half way - moving goal post or 'creative maths'
 * (or could it read 'over half'?) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Where is the text? 3/4 might be less embarithessing.  ħ uman [[Image:human sig talk.gif|link=User talk:Human|User talk:Human]] 15:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

(Reset) Several days later and it is still 79%. Something stuck? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:02, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

The green ribbon says 93%; the top text says half way.

One of the Evil Overlord's 5-year old advisers (there are several, to allow for maximum work regulations, schooling and relaxation/holiday time) says that the maths is bad even by 'mad scientist's project standards.' 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Will nobody donate the $2.69 to get it over last year's figure - it has been stuck for the last few days. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Trent hasn't updated the number since 30 March. It's probably over the threshold by now.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:56, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Baptist Ministries of Atlantic Canada
Baptist Ministries of Atlantic Canada is a website that endouvers to help independent Baptist of Atlantic Canada find one another. There common threat is a conservative doctrinal position and balanced attitudes. They are opposed to the KJV Only movement although many of them use the KJV. Some use the New International Version 1984 although almost with exception they oppose the New Internation Version 2011, which was done with a completely different philosophy. They do not hold to a succession of churches of anykind and beleive their only chain is to be chained to Scripture, not man made history.
 * Okay. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 18:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Would be a better place to continue this discussion? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What discussion? Scream!! (talk) 15:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

How "widespread" is it really?
"One of the most widespread beliefs that does not reflect reality is that the world is only a few thousand years old."

Just how "widespread" is this belief? I don't deny that there are some, maybe even a lot. But I don't think it's as "widespread" as many belief. I'm Christian and believe that God created the world, but I don't believe in Young Earth. Nearly everyone I've talked to does not believe in a YE. Frankly, I'm not sure I can remember anyone other then that one idiot who debated Bill Nye who professed to believe in a YE.
 * 40% of Americans, according to one recent poll. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 13:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Its been fairly constantly hovering around 40-45% of respondents since 1982, when Gallup started gauging creationist/evolution sentiment in the U.S. ScepticWombat (talk) 14:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It will depend on location and who you choose to keep company with, as well. We live in a conservative state dominated by the religious-right of the creationist variety, and yet a friend grew up in a liberal church and was surprised when she learned just how crappy the rest of the state is.-- Mie kal  14:55, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it speaks volumes of the human tendency towards tribalism and confirmation bias and reminds me of an anecdote about a (stereo)typical New York liberal complaining over Dubya's re-election in disbelief: "I don't know anyone who voted for him!" - which says more about the social circle of said New Yorker, than about Dubya or the election. ScepticWombat (talk) 15:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That wasn't Dubya's election, that was a (misleading misquote) of Pauline Kael talking about Nixon's election. Her actual quote made the exact opposite point; in reality, she said "I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them", which is the exact opposite of the smear it was turned into with that popular misquote (that is, in her actual quote, she specifically says that she knows her social circles are atypical; whereas pundits transformed it to make it sound like she was ignorant.) Not that it really changes your point, but I think it's annoying how misquotes like that keep circulating and getting repurposed and re-attributed every few years. --Aquillion (talk) 04:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Has Rational Wiki being usurped by Satanists?
Well I'm very much a man of science and have never denied evolution. However I feel many social topics especially towards conspiracy theories and alternative social policy viewpoints is extremely hateful in a ironically irrational way. Maybe somehow there is a bad presence on this site, not atheist, not Christian, but possibly occultic and maybe satan worshipping, I understand many here don't believe in any concept of religion, but I feel there is a religiously satanic sect operating here on a grand scale. You can believe in science and nature but you also are allowed to embrace unrelated concepts also. Being a scientist does not make you a bohemian grove baby killer.
 * 141.134.75.236 (talk) 21:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

'Being a scientists' requires a better use of grammar.

Do not confuse neutrality/general mocking (in the sense of the medieval monarch and lordly household's fool ) with a malign approach.

What is your opinion of David Icke/the Masons? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually, it is not Satan but Titivillus who haunts RW (and various other wikis). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hail Satan. \m/ (I really hope that emoji makes it to Unicode 8.0 final.) -Soviet Hologram God (talk) 17:20, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

One can be a scientist/of a scientific intent and have a religious viewpoint ('it is ethical/religiously good to understand the universe and improve life/be ecologically minded' etc).

But is 'being a scientist/scientifically orientated' compatible with seeing Satan in the shadows of an organization? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:21, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

And here is Titivillus himself. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

You're allowed to embrace unrelated concepts also but they have to be falsifiable. I'm putting what I originally said back on here. Thanks WellWell (talk) 06:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hah. I knew who this was. By the way I wasn't lying about being gay. I'm not an idiot you know. Nor am I a Science major. I just know bullshit when I see it. WellWell (talk) 06:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume this editor has been misled by all the references in favour of Satan which can be found on the site - and by all the athiests who believe that, although God does not exist, the devil does. (Now I think about it some more sarcasm doesn't really come over well in text.)--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 17:47, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

RW is being run by Santa-ists hiding behind a computer auto-correct-misnomer. 86.146.100.4 (talk) 09:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Block log
It's funny to see joke blocks on my Watchlist from time to time but really, do people do anything other than play around in the blocklog these days? --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 23:07, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Main Page layout
It may be 'a random featured computer glitch' - but the header is 'random featured article' rather than 'showing' the title of the article in question (in this case pseudo science).

Can someone ''poke the programming' to sort it out.

Reasons why computers will never take over
 * No 53. In their current incarnations they need a power source (sentient Babbage machines and Comptometers are difficult to imagine)
 * No 54. Computers give up on 'one character being wrong'; humans can sort out jmulby up wrods and mmispellt woerds. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That must be why I haven't taken over the world: I need a power source too. 94.5.225.146 (talk) 15:32, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

EvoWiki
Just wondering, but when are they going to allow people to edit EvoWiki?


 * Sign/IP and date your comments. 86.153.165.221 (talk) 21:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

This site is biased
This site is biased to Christianity. It apologize for bible scientific errors in denial. while focus on Quran scientific errors. I think both have the same mistakes. like the falling of the stars on earth.

It is strange how a christian will wear a secular rational HAT to criticize Quran. Then he will wear an apologist denial HAT to favor his parents inherited Religion at birth.
 * Biased to Christanity? I totally agree. The apologetics is amazing, just look at Examples of God personally killing people ! Also, why did you capilatise HAT? Is it an acronym? SuperDude,What does mine say? Sweet! 08:42, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I Just read and compared the 2 articles. 1- Biblical_scientific_errors"...The Bible makes it clear that stars are tiny objects in the sky that will fall down when Jesus comes back:... However, other verses in the book of Revelation clearly use "stars" in a figurative sense (for example, see Rev. 9:1 and Rev. 12:3, 4), so it is possible that the writer did not intend to make a statement about literal celestial bodies..." The above is an apologist stance.
 * 2- Qur%27anic_scientific_errors It has an aggressive stance.
 * You'd be better off bringing your woes at the respective article's talk pages if you really want to improve them. If you just want to complain, then meh, rationalwiki is neither neutral nor ever claimed to be. SuperDude,What does mine say? Sweet! 09:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I find the disrespect toward our lord HAT on this site deeply offensive. 94.5.225.146 (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And why should anyone give a fuck?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:38, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "This site is very biased against {Insert Personal belief of poster} which makes RW irrational because everything I believe in is perfectly rational. It is much more friendly to {Insert barely connected subject poster did almost no research on} so I feel like {Insert emotional justification of self righteous anger that is not even close to sane}.  Asking me for facts will only get more {Insert vague emotional response that continues to blather on and on}." -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Someone should make a template from that. Is there somewhere a beginner-tutorial for wiki-template-writing?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 16:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Magnetic Field Decay.
Can someone please disprove or point me to a page that disproves that since the Earth's magnetic field is decaying, the Earth must be no more than 8,000 years old.&mdash; Unsigned, by: Libtard332 / talk / contribs


 * Direct from wikipedia:
 * "The rate of decrease and the current strength are within the normal range of variation, as shown by the record of past magnetic fields recorded in rocks (figure on right). ... It has gone up and down in the past for no apparent reason."
 * More directly, why does decay imply a starting point at any particular point in the past? An increase would imply a starting point from zero, and you could estimate when that was. With a decrease, you can't do that unless you also claim some maximum value. Queexchthonic murmurings 15:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Beware...
The autumn equinox. 31.51.113.245 (talk) 12:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC) ... or Halloween, the Calends of November and Bonfire Night. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Can we get a article of Gill Broussard and planet 7X?
http://www.planet7x.com/ http://www.counciloftimefraud.info/the-lie.html The end times pastors love this guy and mike from around the world. Research them both. Oh And make a page about September 23 that is the new apocalypse day.68.148.171.6 (talk) 02:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Does the Council meet in a police box?

Would trust further (despite the mention of VCRs). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

CJ Pearson
Well, is anybody going to talk about him. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 71.230.120.192 / talk
 * He's a hero and a prodigy, what more needs to be said? Out of the mouths of babes and all that jazz. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Who is he? Scream!! (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * A lil' 13 year old kid who makes videos where he talks like your average freeper. Hence why he's a hero to our resident lil' freeper. Dendlai (talk) 20:53, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

What's a freeper? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * These creepy weirdos. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

People who believe in freedom. Those freaks make me shiver. Do they know what century this is? --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 19:39, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Rational Wiki, not so rational
This Wiki is just another incarnation of being submissive to politically created science that suits interests with no acknowledgement of independent thought. There are many examples on this site that demonstrate the lack of real scepticism and only focuses on superficiality without going into important or controversial details. In this case, the scepticism on this site is related more to a kind of pseudo-scepticism that is obedient to mainstream political science and manifests itself as a cult, or semi-religion where outside opinions are dismissed per definition. I suggest you should shut down this site and do something that is appropriate to your talents, like bowing your head to your boss or something.--85.180.184.50 (talk) 17:07, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Troll01.png--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for proving my point, so that other people here can see it.--92.226.29.215 (talk) 14:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Your point is that you are a troll? I agree, that point was proven well.  &mdash; Unsigned, by: EmeraldCityWanderer / talk / contribs 15:24, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We are 'allowed to be amused' on RationalWiki; and are skeptical about pseuds. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Complains about superficiality of treatment, which might not be wrong... but does so without any specifics given. Truly a masterpiece. Walker Walker Walker 16:20, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry
... it is exactly a month till the sales begin.

Is it time for a new archive yet? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Who knows? Not Pibot! Walker Walker Walker 16:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism and Islamophilia
You know I used to consider RationalWiki a bastion of the anti-Authoritarian Left but more and more I'm getting the impression that that very phrase is becoming a contradiction in terms. Maybe the death of possibly the last anti-Authoritarian Leftist intellectual Christopher Hitchens has something to do with it. Being on the Libertarian, anti-Theocratic right, I've always admired RationalWiki for being an anti-religious, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, pro-free-speech and well, rational website, covering things in a Left-leaning but honest and largely non-partisan manner. Those days are of course gone. Like most individuals on the Left, this site has become so obsessed with the state of Israel and its apparently recalcitrant, insolent refusal to be bombed out of existence by religious savages and has become so devoted to protecting the sensibilities of said Islamic savages, that it has sunk to Conservapedian depths of hypocrisy and ignorance. To whit:
 * The article on Muhammad (y'know, the sex-crazed, child-marrying, woman-hating, mass-murdering bandit whom 40% of the world look up to as a beacon of light and inspiration) has been rightly added to the category "Batshit crazy" multiple times, each time removed without explanation. Has the controversial writer Ayn Rand been removed from this category? Erm, no. So after I was reverted for adding him to the category for the umpteenth time, on the tenth of October 2015, I added Jesus to the category. Jesus as in Jesus of Nazareth, the rather quirky guy who thought he was the son of God and went around talking shit about love and peace and what-have-you. Jesus of Nazareth remained in this category for the following eight days. On the eighteenth day of October, no, he didn't rise again but I did add Muhammad to the category, pointing out that Jesus was in it. Muhammad was removed within two minutes by some meddling IP who immediately removed Jesus from the category upon realising that if he could be added to the category, then by the same logic, Muhammad could be placed in it too. Showing that I was no hypocrite, I proceeded to add Moses, L. Ron Hubbard and Buddha to the category in question. Following in the Muhammad-defending pattern of reasoning, this pugnacious IP removed both Moses and Buddha respectively from the category although I was pleased to see that he at least had the sense to leave L. Ron Hubbard in it. But why have Hubbard in it and not by the same token, Jesus, Moses, Buddha and Muhammad? Don't tell me you wouldn't have left the other three in it had Muhammad not been added! Are you afraid of getting your heads cut off or are you so politically correct that you consider Islam and Muslims above the same criticism as Christians and Jews? On the subject of Jews, I made some edits to the unbelievably squalid, slanderous and disgusting article on Benjamin Netanyahu. Non-partisan edits that didn't remove any criticisms of him but which cast the article in a fairer and more balanced manner, not wanting to tread on the toes of any Palestinian-supporters and which pointed out some of the crimes committed by Palestinians that were the cause of his retaliatory actions, whether or not you agree that his actions were the correct form of response. For instance, the article on Netanyahu to date, contains no mention of the Israeli teenagers who were slaughtered by three Hamas agents on the twelfth of June. It does however condemn Netanyahu's proposed demilitarization of the entire so-called "state" in the wake of the atrocity without mentioning his reasoning behind it. Apparently for Israel or America to be fully demilitarised is a-okay but Palestine? Fuck no! My edits were reverted, including the bit about the dead Israeli teenagers and I was told that mentioning facts in favour of a person was what's called a "balance fallacy". I am aware that Leftists have a habit of labeling any argument they disagree with as a "fallacy" so I don't suppose it's remotely surprising that "fairness" is now a fallacy. After all, according to Leftist intellectuals (if you believe in oxymorons) reason is a white male construct of oppression. http://www.dailystormer.com/sjw-professor-says-reason-itself-is-a-white-christian-male-construct-of-oppression/
 * The article on Netanyahu also accuses him of "fear-mongering" by saying that Iran was developing a nuclear arsenal, while in the very next section, it states that Iran are developing a nuclear arsenal and condemns him for daring to criticise the Obama Administration for assisting them. A historian would be fascinated by watching the narrative shift in the article as we go from having always been at war with Eastasia to having always been at Eurasia. I made a satirical edit the page which was only partly reverted, leaving in a bit I added that said that Obama was "quite rightly" engaging in secret negotiations with Iran to help them in their nuclear aspirations, whilst also repudiating Netanyahu for "spying" on these negotiations. Apparently when Obama engages in espionage and subterfuge it's fine but when an Israeli does it, bloody murder!
 * Further testing my hypothesis that RationalWiki users, like most lefties, were a bunch of antisemitic, Islam-loving, hypocritical nutjobs, I added the category "Jews" to the category "Insufferable assholes" on the sixth of December where it remained for a following two days. On the eighth of December, I added "Muslims" to the category and surprise of surprises, it was removed within twenty five minutes, Jews also being removed as an afterthought.
 * You know, a lot of my satirical troll edits were made in the hope that they would be reverted because I simply couldn't allow myself to believe that people could be so malicious, ignorant and sorry to keep using the word but, hypocritical. But you know what, like changes I've made to articles on Communpedia and Conservapedia, many of the ones I've made to the article on Netanyahu on this website have actually been kept! It's just about three of the more vituperative sentences I added that have been removed and like The Guardian it seems as though you only removed those to preserve your reputation, not because you disagreed with them; as though like Syme in 1984 I was inadvertently giving the game away with brutal honesty. Like my response to an unbelievably bigoted series of comments on my talkpage, I've been putting this ... long-winded diatribe off for months and I've intermittently made a few edits to non-conspicuous pages but I expect I'll be subsequently de-sysoped and permanently blocked for this comment but really, don't you think it's time you took a look at yourselves? This website was founded to be an antithesis to the lies and partisan obscurantism of Conservapedia who can at least lay claim to not being anti-Semitic or racist, in spite of their many flaws. You ridicule them as do we all but like many critics of Bush you've actually become more ridiculous that the socially accepted target of your scorn!
 * He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

--Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, they clamor for people, who'd happily rip their heads off given the chance.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 05:52, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I frequently happily rip my. 07:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * cool Daily Stormer link, bro --Ymir (talk) 12:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Fuck me, you used a lot of words to say cock all of any intellectual value. "Further testing my hypothesis that RationalWiki users, like most lefties, were a bunch of antisemitic, Islam-loving, hypocritical nutjobs, I added the category "Jews" to the category "Insufferable assholes" on the sixth of December where it remained for a following two days. On the eight of December, I added "Muslims" to the category and surprise of surprises, it was removed within twenty five minutes, Jews also being removed as an afterthought." Congratulations on failing Statistics 101. Queexchthonic murmurings 13:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And on failing to understand how basic wiki things like Recent Changes & user watchlists work. Well done on the time travel, though.  I'll watch out for that 8th of December edit tomorrow.  19:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I got some of the dates wrong. Points still stand. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * November I meant, not December. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 20:52, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * They fall over rather than stand, because they're garbage. Queexchthonic murmurings 20:53, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * This is boring and hollow like eating cardboard. SolPyre (talk) 21:04, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * A website with 'stormer' in its URL is automatically suspect - and what do you mean by 'being at Eurasia' (at least get your quotes right).

And which version of 'lefty' are you using? US flavor? 'First, Second, Third, Three and a half, Fourth', Jeremy Corbyn, Arthur Scargill, Gang of Four (either version), International Brigade...? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate the site not succumbing to islamaphobia, I do feel Islam is treated a lot less harshly and with much less snark than Cristianity. Madattak (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Its hard to do as probably most of us come from Christianity more than anything. 04:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Can I just say that I am so, so, so very deeply sorry for posting a link to the Neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer. I had no idea what that website stood for. I typed "Militarisation of the police under Obama" into the Google search engine and it was one of the first results that came up. I was in a bit of a temper so I picked the link in a hurry. The moral of the story: check your sources! Nevertheless, I stand by all of the points I raised above. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

The fundraising banner
... is somewhat less intrusive than 'the source of all (mis)information' which occupies half the page unless you sign in. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

It seems stuck - or is it? 109.150.11.154 (talk) 23:01, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's manually updated by editing MediaWiki:Sitenotice (see the history), so maybe Trent just didn't have the time (with the holidays and all). Carpetsmoker (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Still not updated. (Delays due to switch to Julian calendar?) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This is related to problems with the server cache. Probably the same as this (it's only outdated on squid2, squid1 is fine). Carpetsmoker (talk) 18:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy equinox
...everybody (unless you are watching repeats of a certain TV series which ended on this day). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * equinox was three months ago. Bicycle  wheel Toxic mowse.gif 17:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Solstice then (and anyone dancing skyclad round 'some stones'/a Christmas tree/other standing object of choice?) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:27, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's at 4:48 am tomorrow, so not me - too bloody cold! I'm only a fair weather pagan, which in Britain puts me at a disadvantage... Bicycle  wheel Toxic mowse.gif 17:44, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless one has 'a cat with opinions' :)

The reference is to. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

It will be Up Helly Aa before you know it. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 11:46, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Soon be Imbolc. Bicycle  wheel Toxic mowse.gif 12:11, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And it is just over a week to (Russian Orthodox) Christmas (if anyone wants a pub/office/other quiz 'trick' question). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas tomorrow anyone. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 19:00, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, tree's staying up here for Serbian Orthodox Christmas (the older girls' father was Serbian) - David Gerard (talk) 23:36, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Feasts, festivities, encouragement of arts and helpfulness to each other are among the positive aspects of religion. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:59, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Proposed article: Alleged "Roman" sword found in Nova Scotia (#Swordgate)
Unless I simply entered the wrong search terms, I wasn't able to find an article about this topic yet. For more information, one can simply Google "Roman Sword Oak Island" or check out Andy White's repository page of blog posts, which serves an index. Jason Colavito is another blogger covering the issue.

The sword, allegedly found near a shipwreck off the coast of Nova Scotia and Oak Island, was identified as a relatively-modern reproduction by the only academic who's examined it thus far. Despite numerous lab tests and a sort of "crowd-sourced" study from an archaeologic point-of-view, headed by Andy White, the primary proponent of the sword's authenticity continues to claim it's the real thing. This person is J. Hutton Pulitzer, a layman treasure hunter who has a substantial following on Facebook and other social media.

There's just too much for me to explain in this post, so please check out the link to Andy White's blog for more info. I'm just trying to ascertain if an article on this subject would be warranted. I'd be willing to help write it, as well. I'm new here although I've been a casual Wikipedia editor for years. Let me know if there are any questions about the topic I can attempt to answer. I doubt this issue will ever make it to Wikipedia because of the simple fact that the sword is not an authentic artifact, yet I believe it's important to provide potential Google searchers with a few rational places to visit. Right now proponents of the theory are running wild with speculation and accusations of conspiracy from academia, the History Channel and anyone else who doesn't agree with them. Abrasax (talk) 12:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It probably warrants a section in Oak Island Money Pit. I'm not sure how relevant it will be in the long run for a separate article.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * There are a 'select group of persons' who acquire 'actual historical objects' etc and plant them in various unlikely places: their previous outlets included The Daily Sport (UK) - Statue of Elvis found on Mars, London Bus in the Antarctic etc. Famous members include the Princes in the Tower, Kasper Hauser, Amelia Earhart and others who have mysteriously vanished or appeared. 31.51.113.199 (talk) 23:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Search function broken
See e.g. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=Penn&fulltext=Search&profile=default&redirs=0 which finds no results --93.223.32.238 (talk) 20:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * "There is a page named "Penn" on this wiki", it sez here. Pippa (talk) 20:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed this yesterday & meant to flag it up but must have forgotten. I'll post it in Tech support.  David G usually fixes it pretty quick.  20:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

RW apparently on par with HuffPost
08:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Unprofessionnal insults
I really think this wiki would be taken a lot more seriously if most of the pages didn't contain more subjective insults than actual facts. Who thought it was a good idea to openly mock organizations, people and views all the time? I mean, I mostly agree, but I wouldn't call someone I hate an asshole in an official paper, I'd write facts, even probably be biased, but I'd let the reader figure out the man or woman is an asshole from some actual contents. That's not very professional, most of the time I can't even figure out what this person did wrong because it's just insults...&mdash; Unsigned, by: 65.93.181.162 / talk / contribs
 * It's a wiki written by volunteers with wildly varying degrees of knowledge, experience and writing ability, so there's bound to be plenty of shit articles. Have a look here for some of the better stuff, and please feel free to create an account if there's anything you'd like to improve or create.
 * For the record, I much prefer fact-based mockery to flat-out insults. In a civilised society, ridicule and laughter are usually far more potent weapons against the cranks and the crazies than any amount of anger or bile. Robledo (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * An an anonymous user who sometimes reads RationalWiki articles, this is my main issue I have with this wiki. Listen, I get that if you're scientifically literate it's frustrating to see people spreading scientifically false information, but you shouldn't let that frustration affect the tone of your writing. Many articles here are written in a tone that can sometimes come through as immature and undignified, which makes the reader question the integrity of the writer (and ultimately, the wiki). I hope that some day RationalWiki will have a style guide suggestion that would encourage articles to be more neutral and encyclopedic in tone. --78.10.245.254 (talk) 06:40, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Are there such things as professionnnal - or even professional - insults? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes.--JorisEnter (talk) 16:10, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "Snark" here gets defended so aggressively that its existence is really justified merely by identifying it as snarK with no need for a critical look at what the point of having articles with shitty, hateful, and unfunny tones is. Years ago I tried getting experts in a few relevant fields to take a look at out of date science articles and the general consensus was that here was too much amateur hour poo flinging and the community was too fractious and distracting to bother with. I think this has something to do with why there aren't any obvious experts with relevant educations our work experience here anyone. There used to be, even in the relatively recent past, but the site has become a haven for toxic internet tough guys and SJWs who managed to alienate legit skeptics and left leaning allies. Conscience (talk) 15:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * And yet, 4 sections down there's someone complaining that the site doesn't have any snark any more. It's almost as if you shouldn't pay any mind to the complaints of random people off the internet (edible weaklings or otherwise). Annquin (talk) 15:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sigh. You can read better than that, can't you? Conscience (talk) 15:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Beware
... the summer solstice.

How will RW/RWians celebrate? 86.191.127.68 (talk) 22:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

I suggest a change on the purpose section
Howdy,

I do not think that antiscience is a movement, I just had one and I should know! It is an intro page so I hestiate even a minor edit without talk

How about "phenomenon" ?

Purebread who?  03:42, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I second this motion. 03:54, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

So do we get a sysop involved to actually change it? How? Purebread  who?  03:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC) I will change this, but I need the RW path to the Welcome section of the Main page. Purebread  who?  03:32, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Should one be emotional? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. Also, before anyone here gets any wild ideas about altering the main page or the mission statement without having won mob support in an official vote to change it - don't do that. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

How about "hysteria"? ~  JasonCarswell  (talk)   03:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Also, though I'm new here, I wonder is RationalWiki skeptical at all about science itself? Or at least, bad science. We all know there's good science and bad science. There are so many ways to have a bad premise, set up a bad experiment, be corrupted by corporate motives, selectively release studies that either promote your agenda or publish sensational or nonreproduceable material (that gets stuck in people's minds), education institution sell outs, work for the Nazis, etc. I think Oscar Wilde said, "Everything in moderation, even moderation." I say, "Be skeptical of everything, even skepticism." ~  JasonCarswell  (talk)   03:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * If you go to Category:Science and Category:Pseudoscience, you will see plenty of what you're looking for. WIGO:World and WIGO:Blogs frequently feature stuff about bad scientific practice - David Gerard (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Wonderful. Thanks. I wonder if the term "pseudoscience" is too kind a term and obfuscates when harsher terms might be more appropriate like "faked-science", "corrupted-science", "perverted-science", "sold-out-science", "science-for-sale", or "corporate-science-that-is-ruining-our-minds-and-subverting-our-educational-institutions-and-ability-to-speak-truth-to-power-and-flushing-the-world-down-the-toxic-toilet". But not "mad-science" cause mad doesn't even begin to describe how angry I am. Also, "pseudeoscience" brings to mind blatant fantasy-related stuff (astrology, etc), where-as I want a strong harsh SHAME TERM to label far more dangerous, serious, and threatening professional(?) scientists who are evil, have sold out, or are coerced into publishing and promoting "SELL-OUT-BUNK-SCIENCE". Mini-rant over. ~  JasonCarswell  (talk)   13:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean, but we don't have a good collective term for "shitty science". I did start pseudojournal and Category:Pseudojournals. Perhaps it's time for some really convincing neologisms ... - David Gerard (talk) 14:09, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd vote for that! ~  JasonCarswell  (talk)   20:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Internal link in the mission statement
Could we make the word "refute" link to Debunk? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Debunk is itself a redirect to skepticism - not entirely sure if that is needed.--JorisEnter (talk) 17:40, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's needed! Debunking something is nothing but an act of skepticism; the verb form, in a way. So that redirect is absolutely fine in my view. Further, I will argue that in the context of the mission statement, "refute" is synonymous to "debunk". So, could we bluelink "refute" as "debunk"? All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Debunk = get out of the upper half of a bunk bed. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:44, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Funding
Why give the percentage to three decimal figures? 109.150.11.213 (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Some argue that it's to make up for our general lack of accuracy. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 21:28, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's funny, but I'd also support a version of code that automatically rounds to the lowest digit (e.g. 12.9% becomes 12%). Changes are wished for! 21:54, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it works as an amusing piece of overspecified scientism - David Gerard (talk) 22:47, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Any chance we could get some more decimals in there? Increase the scienceism of the whole production? Just what we need! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 22:56, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And perhaps also in hexadecimal (to upstage the duodecimalists). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Where have all the decimals gone? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps the banner could now become a countdown.

Why not have a 'church restorations fund thermometer' design banner another time? 86.191.145.57 (talk) 22:45, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Is the funding banner stuck or have people started panic buying Christmas gifts instead? 86.191.145.104 (talk) 23:00, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It hasn't changed in several days - is there a problem? 86.134.53.123 (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

What happened to this wiki?
I used to frequent this site years ago and it seems to have deteriorated. The articles on Christianity and Islam used to be full of snark and mockery which is now gone. What happened? Did some PC idiot whitewash the Islam article and then people felt the same had to be done to the Christianity one? I'm inclined to think so because a large part of the Richard Dawkins article is taken up condemning him for being mean to Muslims. I mean, what the fuck? This is coming from a site that was once a bastion of secularism and rationalism. This and other things I've seen make it seem like parts of rationalwiki have been overtaken by some particularly nutty leftists (of the kind often called social justice warriors, though that term doesn't seem to have much meaning) who think, among other things that reactionary theocratic muslims should be defended because they're an "oppressed group" (so oppressed that in many parts of the world questioning Islam is punishable by death). Cornucopia (talk) 07:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * RW was taken over by SJW beta mangina cucks. This happened in 2008 or so, so you must have been a very early reader. Since you have nearly a decade's experience then, I'm sure you can back up your concerns by presenting some examples of this past excellence from the article histories that particularly struck your fancy - David Gerard (talk) 08:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well I can't really be bothered doing much of that, but just compare the introduction of Islam to how it was back in | 2011. Much more mockery back then. I already mentioned the Richard Dawkins article: the "islamophobia" section there is cringe-inducing, and on a supposedly secularist wiki. Cornucopia (talk) 09:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * And any such critique is met by such an insinuation such as the one above by David, who apparently puts any critique of the RW in the reactionary ("SJW"), MRA ("beta", "mangina") or alt-right ("cuck") corner. Or they post this stupid template.--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 12:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC) 12:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that looks like "is actually decently written" and doesn't violate "be funny and not just stupid". Sorry you can't play in poop any more - David Gerard (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Except you're not funny and the SJW articles are hateful and poorly written. Sneering at your ideological enemies isn't funny. In fact, I imagine it's pretty hard to say anything funny through clenched teeth. Na, you guys thrive on negative energy and groupthink, not humor or scholarship. Conscience (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Regarding the template, I think it's a way to be passive aggressive and insensitive more than anything. Also, I tend to avoid articles for real people because, more often than not, it becomes a slam page. In my honest opinion, pages on living people shouldn't exist on this wiki, but it doesn't really matter what I think, does it? 04:06, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

There's been a war over the regressive left article which the SJWs only pushed ahead in because one editor edit warred constantly against three others and ended up allowing themselves to be vandal binned for the cause. It's crazy out there. Lord Aeonian (talk) 08:08, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Only...
... 38 days to the first adverts for Easter eggs.

Entry added to allow talk page archiving. 86.191.145.91 (talk) 22:20, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

The Corbett Report
I thought it fair to bring this to your attention, since it peripherally involves an article on this site, James Corbett, and I've documented a brief history on the talk page summarizing recent events. Regardless of whether you care about or even agree with "fake news" or not, it might be interesting to see what traffic differences, if any, occur due to whatever attention this may or may not get. I am posting this on Main Page talk page and the Saloon Bar because I'm not sure which is appropriate. Feel free to delete one of them if necessary. In JC I trust (but verify), ~  JasonCarswell   (talk)   00:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

RW hats
When Christmas hat goes, can we have some other decorations? (After all the first Valentine's Day cards are out.) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:24, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest a fez, but then I found out the Nazis wore them. Now I don't know what to believe anymore. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hats are not just for Christmas (nor are most pets). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:46, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * But could it really follow that most pets are ultimately hats? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If you wish to get up and do something, your cat will decide that it is a very good hat :) (and passing mention of a certain book applies).
 * Perhaps if the brackets are reversed we could have the RW spider crawling around? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ...There's an RW spider? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 17:25, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thusly ]](brain)[[ (you can see a version in action here ).

Perhaps an Uncle Sam hat for July 4, a Marianne Phrygian cap for July 14, a Leprechaun hat for St Patrick's day... All good clean fun :) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hat comes down January 6th, as is proper (unless someone takes it down before then) - David Gerard (talk) 00:52, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No Nazi fez, in other words? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 08:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps there could be a funspace 'decorated RW logo' page to which people could post their artworks.

The only drawback to logo-hats might be occasional accusations of. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

So what could we have next? A little red heart for Valentine's Day? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:14, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


 * How artistic are you feeling? - David Gerard (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Can I remove content from my talk page?
? CheeseburgerFace has locked my talk page because I removed some comments I put there. Where is it written that I cannot do this? And what are the rules vis-a-vis delete someone else's comments in the Saloon, because CheeseburgerFace deleted mine yesterday? Levi Ackerman (talk) 06:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Realised you were in breach of the rules, did you, CheeseburgerFace? Lol.Levi Ackerman (talk) 07:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * 07:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Please note, it was CheeseburgerFace who moved this topic to this page. I was originally posted in the Saloon. So I find odd that he would move it to a more serious page and then try to convince people not to participate in discussion. :/ Also. 07:29, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Is a user (with the relevant rights) allowed to lock another user's talk page and do so indefinitely?
CheeseburgerFace appears to be doing so currently to Levi Ackerman.Levi Ackerman (talk) 07:27, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You don't have the right to remove discussion from talk pages, even your own, because the whole point of this site is constructive dialogue. Diacelium (talk) 12:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Generally, you're only allowed to remove outright trolling from your user talk page, but you can archive old threads. The tradition of not being allowed to scrub your user talk page is well-established at RW. ScepticWombat (talk) 14:38, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * {ping|CheeseburgerFace}} you hear that assface, I mean, CheeseburgerFace, "You don't have the right to remove discussion from talk pages". Levi Ackerman (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * "CheeseburgerFace locked my talk page because I deleted some comments" "I don't have the right to remove comments, take that CheeseburgerFace !" Wow. Diacelium (talk) 13:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that he now seems to be veering into naked trolling, I think that Levi either misses or deliberately ignores that moving a debate from a user talk page to a more relevant talk page while leaving a redirect is not the same as simply deleting content from a user talk page (i.e. scrubbing), but is similar to archiving old threads: Neither approach involves simply wiping the information. ScepticWombat (talk) 13:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Funspace article on 'naked trolling v. clothed trolling' (and any other varieties) anyone? 86.191.125.167 (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Quotation question
To what extent can RW be described in part as 'describing those who subtract from the sum of human knowledge'? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 19:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * In my personal view, coming at this from the angle of the ?


 * Certainly RW is "describing those who subtract from the sum of human knowledge" to the extent of something like 80-90% (of "what we do").


 * Note that that number is ignoring the ol' conservative-liberal clash on topics of politics, a "battle" admittedly being "fought" across many pages.


 * And really, that very high figure includes documenting, describing, referencing and debunking — and in "those who subtract from human knowledge", I'm bunching everything from ISIS and David Icke to Ken Ham and Time Cube.


 * But it's a great question, regardless. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:58, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it - and based upon the quotation from Thomas Brackett Reed.


 * And what proportion can be said as 'describing which of the patterns that can be set up on the V-Cube 7 describing the particular topic are most appropriate to the situation (a mixed metaphor I know).


 * 'If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?' and 'There seems little point in wasting time on such an explanation since you would be incapable of understanding it.'/'Don't be insolent!/'A statement of fact cannot be insolent...' might also apply on occasion. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean at all... Come again, please? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 20:22, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Some of the areas on RW not covered by 'subtracting from the sum of human knowledge' are 'these are the different possible explanations/viewpoints' (the jumped up Rubik's cube) and summing up the attitudes of 'the subtractors' and many RW-ians attitudes towards them. (Quotes by Orac). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:16, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Victory in the Battle for France
I am beyond relived that the French people used their brains and elected Macron over that fascist La Pen.

At least France's political system isn't as screwed up as our own here in America. We just have to hope that the British public see sense and remove Theresa May's right-wing nationalist government and then all we will have to deal with is Trump and his coming impeachment and removal from office.

I thought this was supposed to be rational, not pushing political agendas.Userius (talk) 20:23, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Drink (champagne perhaps?) Anna Livia (talk) 09:59, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

William Shakespeare
seems to occur rather frequently on the Main Page (every few days in fact): can 'the usual somebodies' improve enough articles so there can be more varieties. 31.49.51.55 (talk) 12:35, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We're definitely trying. Feel free to help us get some articles to Main worthy. In particular, I want you to help with bottled water. Vive Liberté! 13:08, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

An apology
In an earlier discussion, I provided a link to The Daily Stormer, unaware of what sort of a website it was. I have already apologised beneath the discussion in question but it has been archived so I wasn't sure that everyone had seen it so just for clarification, let me again say that I am so, so sorry. I had no idea what that website stood for. I typed "Militarisation of the police under Obama" into the Google search engine and it was one of the first results that came up. I picked the link in a hurry. The moral of the story: check your sources! That's all. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 19:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

"Tall Armenian Tale".
I have been reading this denial site of the Armenian genocide. It seems to be a Turkish propaganda site. This site should not be included in the "Webshites" list? 01:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and add it. CowHouse (talk) 01:38, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I promise that when I have time I will do the article. 01:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Holistic medicine
The holistic medicine link on the main page is a redirect. Maybe it should be deleted?--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 11:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. Christopher (talk) 11:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Suspect website.
Does anyone know this website? It has an entry in Metapedia. http://modernhistoryproject.org/

Usernames
The daft/unpleasant usernames being created make Rationalwiki look unprofessional. Even Uncyclopedia has a better class of username - and fewer vandal-blocks (unless the unfunny vandals are fed to Sophia the potato). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:59, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your attention, this problem is currently being dealt with by our top troll hunter and janitor, i.e. me. 16:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * For those who do not know of her Sophia is the presiding spirit of Uncyclopedia. She is currently not at war with Goat. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Those wikis which are open to all (as some are not) cannot avoid the wikisplatterers and other nuisances - and RW will always be a 'nuisance-attractor' - but 'This is supposed to be RW' and too much negativity will deter useful contributors and 'the right sort of goats (whether or not cashmere).' 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Russian propaganda.
I found another source of Russian propaganda: "Global Independent Analytics". Link: https://gianalytics.org/

Much of the work on the site is to blame NATO for immigration in Europe.

Edit: I found another, "Russia Insider: https://russia-insider.com

The site is publicly anti-Semitic, having articles on Jewish conspiracy and citing Richard Spencer as a source.


 * "Global Independent Analytics". Those Russians are so inconspicuous. Ambition of Truth (talk) 23:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey fellow black asian hispanic vegan islamic strong and independent trans attack helicopter lesbian womxyn!
Just sayin'... you can live in your pipe world all you want, where cis white males are the cause of all problems. But no worries, we humans (that's right, MAN) with common sense will overpower you loons anyday. Your cute little buzzwords "Nazi" "Sexist" "Racist" "Cis white male" are like dirt to our shoes. You - me - understand? Black - asian - hispanic - vegan - islamic - strong and independent - trans - attack helicopter ? Lesbian? You need professional help. Signed, a human with common sense
 * You are rather ignorant - you missed out atheist, vegetarian, humanist, socialist, (proper) liberal, left-handed, polyamorist, non-American, flying bedstead, vampire loving.... and more words than are in your vocabulary.
 * Get a pen name, and get a life. Anna Livia (talk) 23:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Alt-right conspiracy site
I found a alt-right conspiracy site focused on showbussines: http://fakeologist.com/forums/topic/egi-elite-gender-inversion/page/12/

To no one's surprise, the site is racist / homophobic / transphobic / xenophobic / etc ... the hate list is long.

PS: The "list" of female celebrities suspected of being transsexual is memorable.

If you think its a conspiracy look up patent number US_6506148_B2 and it says in depth Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields through monitors. I have more dod patents that you would never believe about teleportation and taking human matter and moving it as invincible and being able to read targets thoughts while in the invincible matter state and all personnel can communicate with one another in this state. Im talking some sci fi for real. Its in the department of defense patents. Dont undermine energy and it's possibilities. And do your research before commenting on things real wiki knows squat about. Look it up then delete it.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US6506148B2/en

Looks like we have a facho troll. Some mod can block this idiot? Thanks.


 * 'DoD' or 'dud'? Count the number of grammatical and formatting errors and place your bets. Anna Livia (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Cosmo Landesman
Does anyone know this idiot? One of his opinion pieces was published by Breitbart, entitled "Right-wing women are sexier". Looking for information about him, I found he is a columnist in The Spectator: https://www.spectator.co.uk/author/cosmo-landesman/

Several of his articles are highly sexist and homophobic. He has an article calling transgender people sick and one insulting bisexuals, in addition to a long list of articles against feminism and in favour of traditional gender roles.--190.174.29.167 (talk) 01:33, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Cosmo, No one can control what another person thinks and for what reason. It is not worth your or there time to consider these things Jesus was sent as a sign of God's new covenant with man.  The New Testament so Jesus replaced most of the things you are worried about.  Jesus Loves each of us the same 45 sexual 25 sexual ABCDE.  For Jesus it is always about love, acceptance, and placing other before your self.  So 2000 years ago God said this is the new covenant I have with man? Why go find pervious words older than the pyramids to confirm your point.  3 weeks from now everything you know will be confined to this website.  Small we are "Yoda"


 * I do not mean to seem condescending or know it all in any way. I would say give your self a break God created you and he obviously loves you but its not going to be easy. I think you listen to people to much. You know who God created you to be and Jesus is here to support you.  So jerk walks up and steps on your toe.  Well that shit happens to everyone everyday get over yourself.  I set out to spread love I cannot provide they type love we all need "creator / savior" love the New Testament sets a self reliant standard that newer mentions sexual orentation but examples of Christ's teachings which in solve intro section first, reacting only from sincerity and love. I have no idea why the LBTQY community expects everyone to paint them a yellow brick road.  Hate me and Love our Jesus we can hold hands friend
 * Bullshit. Your near incoherent drivel proves nothing when we can pull out a Bible and cite passages to prove you wrong. 12:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

White nationalists promote Anglish for being more Germanic
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2018/blue-eyed-english

These people are ruining what was once a fun linguistic entertainment.
 * The second line of
 * Svmer is icumen in
 * Lhude sing cuccu
 * seems apt in this context. Anna Livia (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed new addition: Article count
Hi all,

I've got a suggestion for a new addition to the MP: a header-box thing that shows the current number of articles here on RW, so that people will be able to easily see the progression of our wiki project. This is my proposed article-counter:

-- Goatspeed. 00:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Any bets as to when article 7 000 will be reached - and what it will be? Anna Livia (talk) 00:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think in about 2-3 months, and it will probably be something about either the latest crackpot conspiracy theory or the newest in stupid apologetics talking points. It's still hard to tell at this point. -- Goatspeed. 00:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The addition of articles is pretty slow, so I am not sure of the utility of a counter, but perhaps a celebration of reaching the 7000 article mark would be nice. Also remarkably we have some 119,168 pages, but only ~6800 articles. :/ 12:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So many topics generate so many archived talk pages :) Anna Livia (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposed Article: Rosa Luxemburg
She was a revolutionary socialist and had a large impact on history. Would be nice if we could add an article on her. -Simoneh (talk) 16:48, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * To get started on a draft yourself go here and create it. You may propose it for main space here Copy the previous proposal formatting. Féinléiriú (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Also this 17:04, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Also See here to prepare an argument for why it should be main space. Though I'd say there'd be no objection. Féinléiriú (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -Simoneh (talk) 17:24, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Should there be a common article with Karl Liebknecht (as they are usually associated).
 * Relevant sections of this are probably appropriate. Anna Livia (talk) 17:33, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Empiricism
Is this group appropriately named? Is the rational method of truth verification accepted, or should the site name be changed to "EmpiricalWiki" on the grounds of refutation of anything not empirically verifiable? I believe the name as such, in contrast to its very anti-rationalist tone, is quite inappropriate.


 * Cosmikdebris (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2019 (UTC)


 * You'll find that, while we find empiricism generally, and in particular the empirical methodology known as science, to be powerful tools for separating the illusory from the real, we collectively embrace a broad range of philosophical perspectives for constructing more complex worldviews. The British Empiricist vs Continental Rationalist debate is definitely still modestly active in some discussions here.  Regardless, I don't think the Rationalists, at large, would find much in common with your "we can never know" prescriptions you've made elsewhere.  Hume might've, though.  ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

The original question by 'Theokid12' seems to be expressing naïve-positivism and would be better construed as expressing the proposal for a site called "PositivistWiki." Needless to say, this proposal is a poor one, in large part due to the ignorance of the proposer; confusing rationality with Rationalism and in failing to acknowledge the insuperable difficulties of Positivism. Despite this, I do sympathise with 'Theokid12' (something I didn't think I'd ever say), for is Empiricism not a finding of science, and such an obvious one at that: all our information about the world comes from the stimulation of our sense organs, to claim otherwise is to side with the soothsayer, the telepath, the astrologist. It will not do! Empiricism must be defended with red tooth and claw!Leucippus (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

translation rationalwiki
Hi everybody, I'm Zakarie from Iran and I've joined this site right now. This is very useful and I love it. So I tried to find how to translate this site articles and then I realized that its impossible. Don't you think that that translation of this site might be more useful? I suggest this.


 * Google Translate is an option. We do have articles in various languages other than English translated or written by people here, you could do that if you wanted. 20:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Welcome! If you want to translate articles, all you have to do is add the name of the language in the article title (e.g. Oscar Wilde (Esperanto)) and (if applicable) add a link to your translation in the English version of the article.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 20:17, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, but if you can't read the english articles, I've got to advise against you doing the translations. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:05, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Main Page question
Are 'the bells and whistles' set up for the forthcoming 7000th article? Anna Livia (talk) 12:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * So where is the party? Anna Livia (talk) 16:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * alright if you insist. :) 16:36, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It is a RW milestone.
 * Next stop 'one more article than Eng-Wikipedia.' Anna Livia (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

A certain Floridian pest strikes again
One example: The "C*nt" once said this for its caption: "The word is seldom encountered in clinical settings, but there are apparently exceptions."; I removed the word apparently because it shows shock, which is letting the writer's emotions seep into the writing. Also, in that same article, it says: "The vagina is a wonderful place where we all came from,[note 1] and where many of us try to return to as often as possible." The writer called the vagina "wonderful", which is judging the vagina, which is bias. This is just one article; so many articles are at least partially biased. RationalWiki wasn't supposed to be biased; it was supposed to be rational, so eliminate ALL forms of bias on this wiki.


 * —Cosmikdebris (talk) 23:54, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I see yet another person is biased against bias. That's stupid. For example, I very much doubt you are in favor of letting pedophiles molest children. As thus, you are biased against pedophiles. As you can see from my example, once a debate is settled one simply picks the logically sound result, which by default biases them against the other result(s). 00:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * To put it another way, to be biased to hold an opinion. Any opinion, at all, including a dislike of bias. TL;DR: You're biased against bias, thus undermining your argument that bias is bad. 00:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 'Great balls of fire.' 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Republishing Wiki Articles
What is the policy for allowing articles on this site to be used in other publications?
 * See RationalWiki:Copyrights Scream!! (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Article previews reading different from the actual article??
Hey idk where the right place to ask this is or whatever but. I’ve noticed a lot of articles, the preview on the main page is veeery different to the actual text in the article. I can’t remember specific examples, but there was one where the preview said shit like a guy was “a batshit crazy quack” or whatever, even tho the impression I got from the article and edit history was that such language should be avoided/was possibly defamatory/whatever the fuck. Idk, I don’t know how you’ll run your website or whatever and I’m not complaining. Just figured I’d bring it to ur attention in case nobody else noticed and it was concerning or whatever. 49.182.48.116 (talk) 07:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Basically, when the article was nominated for cover story, another version of the page was made to be shown in the cover. As the page was changed and expanded, the other version that comes on the main page was not. 09:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Also it's a shame you can't give a series of examples of the problem you have noticed.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 11:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

True Indology?
Thoughts on this guy? Seems like a nationalist pseudohistorian to me.

twitter.com/TIinExile
 * 1. Sign. 2. This is for the Saloon Bar.--Delibirda (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Portals and Articles section on the main page vs Current section
The one on the left (made by me) has random articles while the old one on the right doesn’t. The one on the right hasn’t changed much since it’s inception, the sections are basically the same and also in the same order since 2013, so this change I propose to make is going to be very drastic, as it is shown on the front page.

Here is how it will look like on the front page.

'''Voting is now closed. Result was:- 10 = Yes; 0=No; Thank you for voting'''

Aye

 * 12:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I like the proposed version much better. Spud (talk) 13:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Shabi  DOO  13:58, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) Looks good. 14:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) Seems good to me! 14:59, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5) Looks nice. 16:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 6) Sure. Judge Dredd (talk) 16:51, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 7) Tuxer (talk) 23:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 8) Looks good. 23:25, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 9) Am I allowed to vote? If so, great. If not, bite me. --ElectrosPardon? 23:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think yes. You are a sysop after all. 02:21, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Goat

 * 1) Done! 02:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Postmodern Christianity.
You think of this?: http://www.salvomag.com/unpragmatic-thought.s/?page_id=2 Indeed, the link between contemporary religious conservatism and postmodernism is perverse.

C.J Ahmed
C.J Ahmed or known simply as C.J is an eccentric preacher from Srilanka and terms himself as the most lenient muslim preacher in the world in his website. He is famous for giving his fatwa that masturbation and watching animated porn is not haram in Islam which has caused much controversy. https://cjislam.weebly.com/why-masturbation-is-not-haram.html

Proposal: Sisel International
These hucksters have been pushing all manner of quackery for years, including anti-vaxx propaganda, and they sell things that they tout as "alternatives" to chemotherapy. This kind of disinformation puts impressionable consumers at risk. Can we create an article about Sisel, as well as its founder, Tom Mower?

Fun fact, Mower did a stint in federal prison following a conviction for tax evasion.

https://sisel.net/en/

What is RationalWiki?
Click the link what is RationalWiki: https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?search=RationalWiki&title=Special%3ASearch
 * I have a related question. Can you just start articles about pseudoscientists? YourSlimyUnicorn (talk) 22:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

"The world revolves around meeee and my pet narratives" ~🇰🇪
Now that Wikipedia has an article on "desecularization", the "Growth of religion" and "Postsecularism", isn't it time to fly the flag of surrender and shut down this wiki? Wikipedia was founded by an atheist and agnostic.

Behold! Desecularization - Wikipedia. Growth of religion - Wikipedia. Postsecularism - Wikipedia.

Et tu, Wikipedia?Dan4893 (talk) 04:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * We are very different from Wikipedia, even if we use the same software--Hastur! (talk) 04:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Percentage wise this wiki has more atheist/agnostic contributors than Wikipedia. Nonetheless, Wikipedia was founded by an atheist and agnostic and has a left of center and nonreligious/irreligious tendencies. It is definitely time for Rationalwiki to fly the flag of surrender. 156.146.35.167 (talk) 04:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd be lying if I said I understood your thesis--Hastur! (talk) 04:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Look, Ken, we do what we do and we do it well enough. We debunk pseudoscience and analyze authoritarianism.  That wikipedia has articles about perceived desecularization means... nothing.--Hastur! (talk)  04:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, your usual quote-mining of an article that didn't even say what you wanted it to say! An all-time favorite tactic of you religious crazies, in addition to wHuT aBoUt mUh sOvIeT sTaYt aYtHeEyIzUhM -- Goatspeed. 05:06, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Alright, since I've blocked Conservative and two IPs I have reason to believe are him before we could see him insult Ace for being kiwi, Mercian for having cancer, or AMG for being... well, everything conservatives hate (a gay, a liberal, AND an atheist), or have his buddies LT, Rob, and Sievert join the fray, I'll leave y'all a quote that may as well be Kenny's:




 * -- Goatspeed. 05:27, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ken's Western Christian world kind of reminds me of post-Brexit UK. A sinking ship where they think the glory of the past will come back but they literally do EVERYTHING possible to alienate, spit in the face of good-will and turn away people who might be sympathetic to their slow death. Shabi  DOO  08:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * There are 'any number of wikis' on topics of greater or lesser obscurity: just because WP has pages on the relevant topics does not mean that the wikis should be wound up. WP aims for a form of neutral overview; RW and various other wikis allow contributors to be 'opinionated'; other wikis are for the anoraks going into too much detail for anyone outside the field.
 * 'Reversing the polarity' one could say 'Wikipedia and Rationalwiki exist, so Conservapedia is no longer relevant.' Anna Livia (talk) 13:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

No one cares about your 20-year-old statistics, Ken.
On December 14, 2020, User: ShabiDOO wrote: "Ken's Western Christian world kind of reminds me of post-Brexit UK. A sinking ship where they think the glory of the past will come back but they literally do EVERYTHING possible to alienate, spit in the face of good-will and turn away people who might be sympathetic to their slow death."

First of all, I have a biblical worldview. And Christianity is a world religion that started in the Eastern World.

Second, in 2000, there were twice as many non-Western Christians as Western Christians. Christianity is seeing rapid growth outside the Western World. And evangelical/pentecostal/biblical Christianity is growing in Western secular countries like the UK, France, Germany and NZ. In terms of geographic diversity, Christianity is far more diverse than atheism/agnosticism. Please take a look at my Christian songs from around the world page. Does RationalWiki have a atheism/agnosticism songs from around the world page? I think not! Atheism is a boring and depressiong religion that breeds despair and not joyous singing and choirs!

Third, the global market share of atheists/agnostics has dropped post 1970 (fall of the Soviet Union, etc.). Leading authorities like Pew Research, demographic scholars, etc. indicate that desecularization will not only occur in the world as a whole in the 21st century, but will happen in the Western World as well. Already, religious immigrants are pouring into the leading cities in the Western World. On top of this, religious fundamentalism is not only expected to grow in the world as a whole according to demographic scholars, but in the Western nations as well (Christian/Muslim fundamentalism).

Shabidoo, you are on the sinking ship. And the biblical Christianity fleet is growing!Byzantine (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)




 * (I'll bet a joke-block that 🇰🇪'll quote-mine the part of this when he says I feel like I let him down and use it to "prove" that he has a VICTORY) -- Goatspeed.
 * As a Christian myself, I feel I have to address this. First, atheism is not a religion. They worship nothing. They have no holy book, no rituals, nothing spiritual or sacred of any kind. To expect them to have "songs" like many religions is ludicrous, because it is NOT a religion. Second, a rise in religious fundamentalism is not a good thing. Pop quiz: are ISIS moderates, or fundamentalists? Another pop quiz: Were the warriors of the Fourth Crusade moderates, or fanatics? What about those in the Cathar Crusade that most historians deem a genocide? Continuing onward, I'm disappointed to see that you misunderstand what the phrase "market share" means, seeing as religion is not a quantity traded on any stock exchange nor controlled by entities that financially profit from its consumption. Finally, what do you hope to accomplish by this? Those who join the Lord do so in open arms, not through a risk-benefit analysis. If you are indeed trying to do what you say and spread the Word, you are doing so in an extremely poor way, not aligned with what Christ taught. IveBeenFrank (talk) 17:48, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

17:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * He does not intend to proselytize to us. He just wants to score some more god-points by DEXTRUOYing us with FAX and LAWJICK, like Ben Shapiro - his true god . -- Goatspeed. 17:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Beyond parody Rockford the Roe (talk) 18:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep. That's pretty much Ken for you; the definition of insanity is using the same outdated statistics, usually from either vague quote-mines or the same heavily-biased sources, over and over again and expecting those of us who are atheists to be worried about our future. When he blathers about how enough people will emigrate from Muslim-majority countries that Western politics will soon be overrun by their religion's homophobia and intolerance of criticism, he omits that Britain has a number of ex-Muslim deconverts that is silently growing so rapidly, that UK mosques are freaking out. Also omitted is the secularization of Turkey's younger generations that Recep "Armenian Genocide Never Happened" Erdogan is losing his shit over. -- Goatspeed. 18:19, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Something related to the main page for once - randomly featured article
There should be a purge link somewhere so that you can switch which article is featured, it’s not very random at the moment. Christopher (talk) 20:03, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Done! 21:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ve made it look a little cleaner, but two superscript links still doesn’t look great. Maybe Random featured article[]?
 * Plus you’ve got a repeat of the word “article”, doesn’t look good. Christopher (talk) 21:23, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * With my version it’s unclear where the link to help:cover stories actually goes, could be another link to the featured article itself. Christopher (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * How about just "change it"? 21:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds like it’s trying too hard to be informal imo. What about Random featured article[]? It still has the double article but it’s not as much of a problem if the link is less of its own sentence.
 * I’m definitely overthinking this. Christopher (talk) 22:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, this would be terrible for BoNs. You get taken to a different page that asks you to confirm you want to purge the cache. Christopher (talk) 17:56, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I should had probably written it here, but...
There is actually a purge button on the main page. I made it to be a secret easter egg of sorts in this edit. Clicking the exclamation mark purges the page. 14:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)