Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive56

Lenski sweepstake winner!
I think we can safely declare User:Arcan to be the winner of the sweepstakes. Congratulations, have a goat. That was so sadly, grimly predictable. For extra credit, do you reckon Assfly just can't see how rude and incompetent he is, or is he just a self-serving liar? --81.187.75.69 11:45, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Gotta hand it to Schlafly - even if Lenski obliges his idiotic request for low-level data, he can move on to calling the paper itself into question based on the short-than-average review time. What's conveniently left out, of course, is that it's the quality of the review, and not the time it took, that gives it credibility. --SpinyNorman 12:23, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * There are several reasons peer-review can take different lengths of time between submission and publication. First of all it depends on how fast the reviewers work, they are not full-time workers so their own schedules might delay the review. Secondly there may be points that needed clarification, illustrations or tables might need to be amended or the papers themselves copy-edited, this might involve some to-ing and fro-ing which can introduce delays. Thirdly, the publication itself has deadlines so a paper that just misses the deadline can be delayed by a month waiting for the next issue. Fourthly the editor may decide to delay publication in the interests of balancing the content. Finally, if as an editor you have something as important as Lenski's paper sitting on your desk then you probably want to get it out as soon as possible and not let it wait it's turn with all the other papers that are ready for publication. Andy is totally clueless about scientific publishing. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis   12:41, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Off topic here, but I was reading some old Peanuts comics strips today (so much pure genius in the older ones), and I came across something that reminded me so much of Andy:


 * Charlie Brown [at Lucy's Psychiatric help booth]: Before we begin, I'd like to ask you something...What are your credentials?
 * Lucy (aka Andy): I know everything.
 * Charlie Brown: Those are good credentials!

That really does seem to be Andy's attitude.

Someone really needs to tell him "Andy, the internet is laughing at you." DickTurpis 13:50, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone tried - and look where it got him.  GNUSMAS :  TALK  14:25, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Well, the internet does have a well known liberal bias. That's wchy with the help of Ed, Andy is starting Conservanet, using the ultra-reliable transport of prayer. Buy your USB Jesus figurine and the driver will be revealed to your computer by almighty god. --81.187.75.69 14:10, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Since you brought up the "comics that remind you of Andy" issue: This "Ozy and Millie" strip almost looks like a prophecy. --Sid 14:28, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Excellent find, Sid. Think we could get permission to reproduce it on Andy's article?  ħ uman  14:42, 20 June 2008 (EDT) (edit: I wrote and asked permission)


 * Wow, following it regularly, it's amazing that Dana's art changed that much over the years. But there it is. --Kels 00:13, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * The real irony is that Andy's going off about being "close minded" and yet he's the one who can't listen to a well-reasoned scientific argument and change his mind. No, he's got to assume that the data's not been published, which is tangential to the real point that E. coli evolved to eat citrate and didn't the second time, arguably a case of microevolution which doesn't bother most modern-IDers.  Sterilesnore! 14:36, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And it's funny, too, to make the ID argument for them - E coli could already metabolize it, it just couldn't get it across the cell wall. Arguably, the transport mechanism got broken at some point in the past, and this mutation just fixes the damage.  In other words, no new information that the Designer didn't put there "in the beginning".  ħ uman  14:41, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yaaay! Now I've got three pointzes and a goat!  Just to let everyone know, I will take very good care of it.  Woohoo! --Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  15:03, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Congratulations! By the way, Andy has veered into his "in a court of law" argument".  We really should document why he thinks science is analogous to legal proceeding - he's been making this argument "forever".  ħ uman  15:09, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't understand why Andy deleted Rutm's comment here...  ħ uman  16:02, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * There's only so many times you can respond to perfectly reasonable arguments with stupid misdirections without beginning to appear ridiculous even to yourself. "It's unscientific for others to repeat as true...", "I'm 95% certain of your..." Andy doesn't argue, so can't be beaten. All you need to is wait until he hits the hot button topics to piss off all the saner sysops as with Fox, DanH, etc. and all he'll have left is an echo chamber of insanity. --81.187.75.69 16:18, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Claim
I claim the prize, I called Monday June 23. Lenski ran about ten hours later than I predicted, but he probably proofread his total pwnage of teh assfly all afternoon and evening before hitting "send". Either that, or it took Schafly a few hours to post it.  ħ uman  01:00, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

General Comments
CP is looking really quite mental again at the moment. I love it when they do that in time for the weekend. Who says they aren't considerate? RedDog 11:48, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * This morning I have either gotten out of bed on the wrong side, or I have turned a corner in my obsession with CP.  Andy's disgraceful beahviour over 'The Lenski Affair' has this morning gone too far and I actually feel sick to my stomach.   Having been heavily involved in the Hollywood breast cancer debate - where Andy's data was of course non-existant, I'm thrilled to see Murray bring that up, despite the fact that Andy will of course ignore it.   But overall I would have to say that some switch appears to have been thrown, and I now feel dirty about even spending any time around his ludicrous site, as he's now actually out there God-bothering and slandering decent scientists, who have to put up with this shit.  The mans stupidity makes me feel ill, and it's clear that 'taking the debate to him' hasn't had any effect - his head is as stuck in the sand as it was a year ago.   Haven't we achieved anything?   It seems not.   I don't know if I have any energy left to go on.   DogP  12:35, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I kind of agree there is no point debating him. But he is in his own little web based reality with all the rope he wants with which he hangs himself daily for our amusement. When he makes him self look so amazingly stupid parody becomes impossible - and debate unnecersary. At least I hope... By the way I e-mailed Lenski pointing out who Andy is and what he represents using the hatchet job he has done on Dawkins as an example. He may already be aware but I just thought it would be polite to let him know. RedDog 12:51, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * But the aim, DogP, was never to have any effect on Aschlafly. With his upbringing, that is beyond the scope of a small site like this. The aim, as far as I'm aware, was to have an effect on the seriousness with which Conservapedia is regarded. A case in point is the 'The Lenski Affair'. Along with other sites and blogs, RW has drawn attention to the unreasonableness, ignorance, disrespect and fear that has been so evident. Even many within CP, normally such staunch supporters, seem to be having a difficult time with this as evidenced by the paucity of numbers (5?) who signed up to his second letter.


 * IMVHO, this affair has done yet more damage to CP and possibly further afield. Other Creationists have been much wiser in the handling of it, either by being snarky or by contesting the significance of Lenski's conclusions - not by contesting the data itself. This "crusade" has made Aschlafly and by extension CP look quite ridiculous. I really feel for PJR, probably the most knowledgeable Creationist there, who explicitly warned Aschlafly not to do exactly what he ended up doing. Aschlalfy should be able to recognise good counsel when he sees it. Ajkgordon 12:58, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * DP, I confess to having had similar thoughts and feelings and I guess DanH has to. Andy has driven away many useful editors over the last few months, i.e. Iduan, HelpJazz, Azi. Even his pet homeskollar sysops Sharon, Deborah and Bethany seem to have given up on him. In fact many sysops now only act as thugs, beating up passing proles. Other than contributions from sysop wannabees Deborah and Burglar there is little new content apart from Ken's pathetic excrement. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis   13:01, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy makes me feel queasy too. I think it started when I realized he will take any little thing  used to challenge him in any way and piss all over that thing repeatedly until it becomes a sort of a sodden slogan for him to wave around. I remember precisely when I realized he had this sort of sick echoholia-incontinence, but I won't name that moment here as he obviously reads this site with great interest and I'm afraid he start up again. He is a lowbrow tool and pathological liar. I feel badly for Lenski as the latest target of his stream of urine thinly disguised as debate. I feel sickened by the editors who contribute to the site and help him with his smear campaign. What sort of person do you have to be to be a toady to such a little shit as Andy? Jesus, the humanity . . . 13:31, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I think that some people have genuinely tried to dilute the wackiness at CP and have edited sincerely to that end. Fox would be a good example and PJR too. I tried in a very limited way but without success. You see, there are children at stake here. If it was just Aschlafly, a Petty Officer (rtd) and a Moonie, no-one would bother them. Ajkgordon 13:37, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

(undent)

It'll be interesting to look back a year or two from now and see if June 2008 marked the turning point where CP when from a laughable, biased but growing platform for uber-conservative expression, to a shrinking collection of right-wingnuts spouting material so offensive even mainstream conservatives disassociate themselves from it. Using PJR as my barometer, there's now pushback from the fundie-but-fair crowd regading Lenski, the nonsense in the Obama article about his name and being a Christian, and the way sysops like JoaquinM ignore the collaborative process and plow their pet content over anything contributed by others. I wondered if CP would get hijacked from it's homeschool-driven roots to the point where newbies will be too frustrated to contribute, and even the true believers will be too embarrassed to continue to associate themselves with content that is more suited to the "God hates fags" crowd. After the developments this week, I'm starting to thing we're there and just don't realize it yet. --SpinyNorman 13:48, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * We should try and keep tabs on who is actually contributing over there in terms of articles, not yammering on the talk pages and see if it falls off or some kind of pattern emerges. So far I've got Bert and his beloved KAL007, Conservative with whatever he's up to, Bugler, Deborah still on the redirect binge, Jessica quietly rebuilding the Empire of the Sun, Learn Together... and that's just about it. --PsygremlinWhut? 14:12, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd exclude Deborah and anyone else who's just gaming their stats by creating stubs and redirects. If you look at actual, significant content creation, it's a very short list. --SpinyNorman 14:30, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Per DogP's comment, I thought it best to relate the story of how I got here. CP is disgusting and infuriating, but its less inflammatory articles are also insidious.  This is why we "fight."  It may not have an effect on the people there (though I do believe it does affect, however slightly, some of the less indoctrinated), but it does have, and already has had, an effect on those who might possibly be fooled into thinking CP has any shred of credibility.  --Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  16:10, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Damn you, Sid!
I was just about to WIGO Ken's viral marketing whackiness! 13:02, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorry about that, I just happened to be around... :P If you got better snark, feel free to replace my more generic comment, though.
 * Also, I can't help but wonder what made Ken think that viral marketing for an encyclopedia is a great idea. Or let me rephrase that: What made him think that viral marketing for Conservapedia is a good idea? Outside of a narrow group of YEC gun-nuts, nobody seems to take CP seriously. Making more people aware of its presence is not going to improve that. On the contrary, it will simply make more people aware of the idiocy. ...not that I mind ;) --Sid 13:31, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah any Conservapedian viral marketing campaign that succeeds is going to bring a wave of vandals and parodists to the site. Unfortunately for lulz, Ken has slim chance of succeeding doing something like that on purpose -- accidentally, though, that's another matter. Exasperate me!Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 13:38, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This and this are examples of viral marketing. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis   16:35, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * hehe, good point. Exasperate me!Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 11:55, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

New parodist on the block
Surely Foxtrot is taking the piss with his Zermelo-Fraenkel redirects. Genghis   17:42, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I dunno if that counts as parody... looking at his edits overall (just at the contrib list, not gonna go in-depth), it appears he's just being thorough. Just my gut feeling, though. --Sid 18:13, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Ignorance
So do you enjoy your libel and slander you vandal slime? TerryH 01:15, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Yes we do thanks for asking. I personally like slipping in minor comments that go unnoticed happy snark hunting. 3.14159 01:22, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Care to expand on that comment TH? 121.218.202.99 01:29, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I don't suppose there's any chance this is the real TerryH? Can't be. I think these are the hours he's selling crack to 6th graders. Oops. More libel. Just put it on my account. DickTurpis 01:30, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Morning Terry. Good to see you're full of Christian cheer again. Care to mention who you're directing you bile against this time, or worried that it might by libellous. On that subject, you might want to tell your Fuhrer to steady on a bit when it comes to Lenski and Obama... the words "thin ice" and "libel" come to mind. Of course, that assumes that anybody except his circlejerk of goons cares about what rubbish he spouts. Now you have a nice day, y'hear. --PsygremlinWhut? 01:33, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Hell of a "long term sock" if it isn't him. 01:33, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd also like to know who the racist, moronic bastard is accusing of libel and slander (doesn't one of those refer to spoken language? I'm guessing the slackjawed asshole just doesn't know the difference).  Of course, I'm not fully convinced this is the real Terry "fuckwit" H, but still.  --Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  01:38, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * With one edit it's a bit early to say (but at least we are able to release all our raw data on that statistic, and that's what's important), that's why I'm thinking not, until we know more. DickTurpis 01:45, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Anybody have a sock that wants to ask on CP (preferably on Andy's talkpage) why TerryH is posting here. I'd get my sock to do it, but Deborah is busy (mis)redirecting at the moment. --PsygremlinWhut? 01:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * The important question is if not TerryH than who? There are really only three option someone from CP in which case when TerryH finds out he is going to be more pissed than when he imagined he was called a liar and ban them. Someone from here in which case they are bored trolling their own site which is stupid. Or the final alternative which is someone who has studied the CP phenomenum as much as we have which implies they are or were once a member of RW or CP and so either they go back into the first two cases or they are pissed off at us. I say we feed the troll and see what happens. 3.14159 02:00, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

I am reaching back into my memory but I swear that TerryH admitted to signing up two accounts on here in the SDG. 02:05, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I searched briefly, but didn't find anything except that ymmotrayam doesn't know what identity theft is. Didn't know TerryH and Temlakos were the same person, so he's the very real Terry. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 02:20, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * TerryH has more than two accounts on Myspace he uses them to meet Fiveteen girls. Oh shit! Their I go with the libel agian. 3.14159 02:07, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Sir, you just called me a vandal slime with regard to libel and slander.

You had better do one of three things:


 * 1) Provide a citation for your allegation that I am commiting libel and slander and negligence and unlawful restraining. If you try to do this make sure it doesn't contradict anything I think.
 * 2) Retract your last comment and apologize with candy and flowers.
 * 3) Prepare to face banhammering for hate crimes against the mob.

No need for you to reply on my talk page; I have set watch on this one. (It may even be the only one on the watchlist!) NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 02:08, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

He's not going to reply. That's why they created their own site... they can't hack it in a forum of free dialog.--Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 02:17, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Poopie boogers! TerryH, is that you?!  Long time no see, bro.  Now go fucj yourself Ouch, that's not polite, is it?  Hey, best way to prove you are you, is to predict something you will edit on CP (or better yet, something we ask you to type = 1337HX), and do it.  Love and peace out. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:18, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey Tom didn't know you joined us. Loved your work on CP, big fan. Sorry to hear about you block. In the mean time pull up a goat and watch the show. 3.14159 02:22, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks. Can you explain the goat thing to me?  Is it just a mu-style nonsensical thing, or was there some joke long ago that is now an in-joke?--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 02:26, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's a long ago joke turned in-joke, I am only still comming to terms with it. Conservapedia does not allow editing of their goat article anymore. ::Shudder::. Now noone is allowed to upload pictures to CP anymore. 3.14159 02:30, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Now that I know you're the real thing, want to elaborate on your comment? Before you go on, let me remind you what falsely accusing somebody of libel and slander is. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 02:34, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * How do we know he is the real thing? 3.14159 02:39, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * SDG. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 02:45, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Cheers. 3.14159 02:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I've never been one for mindless vandalism. Sarcastic comments etc of course but not mindless vandalism. But if I'm going to be accused of it then I think just this once I'll break my own rule. Prepare for really pointless, mindless, 'slimey' vandalism. I'm going to see if I can get reported to the FBI. Can't wait. RedDog 03:55, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If my memory serves me correctly, TerryH said that he had created his two accounts here to prevent anyone impersonating him and that he had used an "unbreakable" password so if anyone posted here it would it would either be him or Trent after violating the password register. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   04:35, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Really not my kind of thing at all but given the above accusation it had to be done. RedDog 06:12, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Go ahead, Red, just don't tackle any of my... er... I mean Deborah's "articles" --PsygremlinWhut? 08:40, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Conservative demonstrates Danth's law
(See our article of the year Danth's Law)

Why can't I vote twenty-twelveteen times? Surely my Pis are good for something. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:31, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, What's "George Aiken"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:33, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * George Aiken wanted to declare victory during Vietnam and leave without actually winning. 3.14159 02:35, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Persons who put links in section headers deserve to be Splurfled. 02:50, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What are you trying to say Susan? 3.14159 02:58, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You can't right click on it to open a new tab if you've set right click to edit! 03:04, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay I'll fix it! 3.14159 03:09, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You and your posh "divs" what's wrong with big & small? Don't alter your habits on my account. 03:12, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Not really about Danth's Law, but it is related to Ken. I was reading the article and discussion on the Times Higher Education site about High IQ turns academics into atheists and found the following entry by his well known alias of Charles Moore - "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." Yeah, thats telling them Ken. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   09:35, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

This video is not available in your country.
That is what shows up in red when I try to see one of the links (this one) on one of Conservative's subpages... what is it? Is Chavez doing nasty things again? NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 04:04, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Extra points if you figure out what the links have to do with atheism. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 04:08, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Ok, the vids he linked to are:


 * Billy Joel - Honesty
 * Bad Boys Whatcha Gonna Do
 * Perry Mason opening
 * Perry Mason Opening Theme/Intro #2
 * Matlock
 * The Beatles - The Fool On The Hill
 * classic Columbo


 * Either he's gone completely crazy and thinks these are part of some great atheist conspiracy, has gone completely senile and forgotten where he's posting his all time favourites or has gone completely stupid and thinks we're going to fall for some ridiculous prank he's trying to pull. 121.218.202.99 04:12, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe It's just a sign I spend too long on these pages (perhaps my wife is right) but I think he's trying to send us a coded message. Can't quite work it out as Perry Mason and Matlock aren't familiar to me. It seems a bit weak though. RedDog 04:20, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Unfortunatly I think I know were he is going with this one. Give me a second to turn my sense of humor down about 129 notches. Honesty, atheist are not honest. Whatcha gonna do, I think this is related to that stupid picture of the policeman picture about tracking down the evidence of evolution, this also would explain Perry Manson, Matlock and Columbo. Fool on the hill, evolutionist are fools.


 * Honestly this crap of his he thinks its paradoy, he actually thinks it is making a point with satrie. 3.14159 04:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Did Youtube get hit with another lawsuit? I can't seem to find The Simpsons/Family Guy/American Dad clips about creationism. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:07, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh no 3.13159 I think you're right! It's kind of the first thing I thought of but discounted it because it doesn't really work. The man has issues. RedDog 05:45, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * He's gone mentaler RedDog 05:56, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Did one of us make this? 3.14159 06:36, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Judging by the voice, I'd have guessed Hank Hill. --Kels 10:54, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

How old is Conservative? His debating skills, and his "jokes", have the hallmark of a 13 year old. 3.14159 06:41, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I'm affraid our obsessive friend is trapped in an adult's body. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 06:57, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 3.14159 that's exactly what I was going to post. I was actually going to say 14 but then I've always been generous that way. RedDog 07:01, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Our wikistalking skills reveal that he is about 46 years old (and possibly still living with his parents). [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   07:03, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * 46? If you told me he was 17 and his development had been arrested in someway (listening to ICP or something) I would have believd you but this is too much. 3.14159 07:05, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Absolutely. Now, given this discussion and the one below, isn't it pretty fucking obvious who the biggest idiot is? (Vote Ken!) DickTurpis 08:49, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Winning a Debate
It's no wonder that Conservapedia claims that Christians always win a debate when apparently this constitues winning a debate. Someone please mail that man a turd in a box. I send all mine to Andy. RedDog 04:18, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The trouble is: He means it! His idiocy is coming close to Ed's Moonyness in the biggest idiot debate! 04:26, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No Susan, YOU'RE WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!. Conservative is not an idiot he is just stupid. Ed's the idiot, Andy's a fool, Karajerk is a dumb grunt, TerryH is a pompous prick, Crockoshite is deranged, PJR is deluded, Learn Together is a bully, Joaquin is demented, Bugler is a fascist bastard and I can't quite fathom what Deborah is. (Did I miss anyone?) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    06:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What exactly is the difference between being just stupid and being an idiot? I think stupidity is what I was going for with the initial question. DickTurpis 08:24, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What is College Republican? NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 07:10, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * A mute obviously. 3.14159 07:15, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * CR is smart enough to keep away from the whole steaming pile. I would guess that his only edits were at the behest of Andy in return for some favour from his dad. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   07:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * "Dad, can I get to second base with my girlfriend? Pleeeeeease?"
 * "Well, you're an adult now. But you must make one edit to Conservapedia each time for each booby you touch."
 * "Thanks, Dad!"
 * DickTurpis 08:15, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Hoover Dam
And there it is! (See WIGO). Good to know Bungler reads us too. --PsygremlinWhut? 09:08, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Credit where it's due though. This must be one of the must hideously constructed sentances I have ever seen - argh! Learn how ti use a coma! That is just nasty, nasty, nasty!

"The Hoover Dam, built across the Colorado River between Nevada and Arizona, was at its opening in 1935, the largest concrete structurein the world, and its hydro-electric power station was the world's largest single producer of electricity. The dam impounds Lake Mead." Andy would be turning in his grave. RedDog 11:39, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That, is absolutely, appalling.  I thought that, Bugler, seemingly British after his last foray into the footballer saga, had a grasp, of the language.   Evidently, not.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  15:17, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tsk. You young people with your limited attention spans. Apart from one overlooked comma it is a perfectly grammatical and logically-constructed sentence, if a trifle top-heavy. Fretfulporpentine 07:09, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

The following is a paid advertisement, and does not represent the views of Rationalwiki
The "powers that be" would like you to believe that Edward Poor is the biggest idiot at Conservapedia. Let's look at what some of the elitists have said about this loathsome person. Human, the most active editor on the site, would like you top believe that "Ed is definitely the biggest 'idiot' there..." While Trent Toulouse (French, isn't it?) the founder and dictator of this site, who says "Ed Poor is too stupid to even get to the point of making dumb arguments", has also admitted "Ken...will win this..."

What do the facts say? While this was being said about Ed Poor, he in fact made this quite sane and useful edit, actually making a marked and noticeable improvement to one of Conservapedia's worst articles. What was Conservative doing while, for perhaps the first time ever, an improvement was being made by a senior sysop? He was creating this utterly childish drivel.

What do we know about Conservative? This alleged 46 year old man has been described as having "the hallmark of a 13 year old," of being a "village idiot who mistakenly thinks the village is laughing with him rather than at him," who "OWNS the title." He "continually shows that he lacks even a gradeschooler's grasp of science, history, or even basic English." Clearly only one conclusion can be drawn: Conservative is the biggest idiot on Conservapedia.

Vote for Ken, now

Paid for by the Ken for Idiot campaign. I'm DickTurpis, and I approve this message.


 * Ladies and gentlemen at another this website, the person above wants you to believe that no other can rival the idiocy of their candidate, however, he is only showing one part of the picture, he wants you to forget the history of articles a parodist would be proud of. Allow me to remind you and keep in mind the person in question brags about these achievements, and supposedly had years of experience at Wikipedia, THE encyclopedia:


 * Two meters
 * Communism and feminism
 * Drum
 * Radical environmentalism
 * Socialism and global warming
 * Global warming debate, the edit comment may help you understand what's going on in Ed's head.
 * Estrogen, the edit comment is a gem.
 * PlatypusI was gonna post more links but this one says it all.


 * Regarding Ed Poor's idiocy, DickTurpis, representative of the Ken for Idiot campaign stated the following


 * "...Edward Poor is the biggest idiot at Conservapedia."


 * Thank you for your attention. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 09:54, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * What's the real reason so called "NightFlare" opposes Ken DeMyer as Idiot-King of Conservapedia?
 * Ken is often mocked for his notorious tendency to need dozens of edits to make simple additions and changes to Conservapedia. Maybe NightFlare is concerned that his history of similar problems will be exposed. Look at these edits NightFlare made just last month to this very page. 10 edits to add one simple paragraph. Maybe NightFlare is concerned about unflattering comparisons to Mr. DeMyer. What else do these two have in common? An unhealthy obsession with homosexuality? The mentality of a 12 year old Autistic child? How long will it be before we receive notices from NightFlare that he has sent us a Very Important Email?
 * NightFlare: can't be trusted. Why should any of us listen to his opinions?
 * Paid for by the Ken for Idiot campaign. DickTurpis 12:09, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd like both candidates to pledge that whoever loses will agree to serve on the winner's ticket as Vice-Idiot of Conservapedia. It may seem like a useless role, but remember, even as you're attending the ribbon-cuttings for creation science museums, you're only a heartbeat away from  supreme Idiocy. --SpinyNorman 10:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

I am User:Doggedpersistence, and I support this message. Vote Ken in 2008! Vote for True Idiocy! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  15:22, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

<font color="blue" face="impact" size="+5">Vote Andy 08!

Let the wookie win... --Robledo 19:22, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Menopause
I think Bugler should be blocked by Andy for writing this. It's supposed to be family friendly dammit! We can't be talking about hoo-has! DLerner 09:41, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

History textbok (sic)
Can't recall anyone mentioning the Recent changes header:

(wikified excerpt):
 * This fall the main course will be United States history. Is there a textbook free from liberal bias?  Perhaps we should write one here over the summer.  Suggestions are welcome at the U.S. History Textbook Project.

So, Andy et al can write a textbook in a few months? I know that the US doesn't have the thousand years plus of (white) history that European countries have, but isn't that a tad ambitious. I wouldn't like to write a history of the past twelve months in my spare time in less than a couple of months. AKj: why don't you offer them a hand? 12:53, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * (and, while strolling round Mediawiki, see their Username black list.)


 * I followed the Textbook link and looked at the talk page.... I really love this little gem from Andy essentially he says I don't know about the person who claimed bias, or why he did it, but he's conservative so he's right.  That's all I need to know.  What a sad pathetic man. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  13:44, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Damn you for making me take a random walk through Conservapedia's so-called history course. I did find a marvellous little snippet here though:

Beware over-reliance on authority. Unless we’re talking about the Bible, authority is not always going to be correct.


 * That would be all the Bible except the bits that aren't Conservative enough, like the adulteress story then? Hey kids, think critically everywhere except this one place, where you should switch your brains off and accept it all on faith! --81.187.75.69 19:36, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Gawd, the next few lines...

"Quick question:


 * Consider this sequence: 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, ??, ??, ??, ??
 * What goes in the question marks?
 * The answer is below.[1]

Why are there so many “1” as we approach the Civil War? Imagine of riding the raging bull at the rodeo. 4 seconds, 5 seconds, is good. No president could be reelected amid all the pre-Civil War turmoil." (itals mine to set off from our text phailed, please ignore)

Wow... I know what he "means", but only because I'm smert. This isn't a "lecture", it's his "lecture notes" without connective tissue inserted. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:33, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Huh... it's like Andy's never heard the word "Context" before. I guess he just can't think more than five lines at a time. Barikada 21:55, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * It really is depressing to read what Assfly is teaching to real, actual children. His chapter on his holiness, saint ronnie leaves me wondering whether to laugh or cry. I mean seriously, he really actually seems to believe that the stupid strategic defence initiative idea that somehow inspired the development of the patriot missile, despite the fact this "new" missile defence system had been trialled and adopted well before Reagan even became president, let alone begun the star wars program.


 * He also seriously seems to believe there is some plausible causal chain between Reagan saying "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" and the Berlin wall actually being torn down. His exact phrasing is "...he world heard it, and within a few years the wall was miraculously torn down." It seems he is imagining some sort of bizarre Captain Picard type occurrence here, Saint Ronnie says make it so and almighty God makes it happen. Perestroika? Glasnost? Just fusty old words, who needs 'em?


 * It'd all be hilarious if he wasn't actually in a position of power and responsibility over the education of others. The utter shallowness of the whole "American history" course is laughable. Nowhere does he even begin to cover the motivation behind events, and even the descriptions of the events themselves are garbled. I'm sure homeschooling is fine if the teachers don't get too big for their boots and attempt to teach entirely from their own knowledge, rather than taking their cues from professionally prepared course materials. This just shows how hideously wrong it can go if this advice is ignored. --81.187.75.69 22:42, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, that Reagan "lecture" reads like the crappy notes of a third grader listening to every Rush Limbaugh show that ever mentioned the Saint. Every event is twisted with horrible partisan skew.  Hell, I know I have my biases and all, but I would never produce such tripe to advance my "agenda". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:38, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * From #14, the final test prep "lecture": "Just memorize facts." SRSLY <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:47, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Maybe we should try to make some quasi-side-by-side commentaries to Andy's "history lecture notes"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:30, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Why vote McCain?
TonyT gives us CP's most compelling reason yet for fearing Obama - he may be a "homo". Coarb 15:06, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * TonyT is not doing a good job if he's trying to be an undercover vandal. DLerner 20:17, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Those darn Muslims
This conversation is pretty ridiculous: "For me, part of what I look into is what do the texts of the religion say, in this case the Bible and the Koran, with the Koran also having follow up material compiled in the same time period that is revered by Islam as well. I've found it's not a coincidence that extremism is common to Islam as it is much easier to follow based on the writings themselves." I wish they'd just come out and say "we hate Muslims" and get it over with.Shangrala 18:35, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

First DanH
Now Croco (DeanS) packs his bags in protest of Andys "I say who is or is not a christian" pedia Ace McWicked 01:09, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Good riddance not a chance in hell he'll end up here, is there? DLerner 01:21, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Somehow... I doubt it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:28, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Is it just me, or is everybody leaving slowly, the dissenters are mostly gone (it's probably only a matter of time before they block me on some trumped up charge), now the sysops are leaving. Who's left? I'm beginning to think that this project is far past it's half-life. DLerner 02:23, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * A few homeschoolers, parodists, socks, and a couple sysops that like being a big fish in a small pond mud puddle while they bully around others. It will keep going for some time though.  Hopefully, it could return to the goal of being an educational resource rather than a political blog, but thats unlikely and would require Andy to clean up much of what he has written.  At some point, some homeschool parent is going to call him on it and he will realize it is an embarrassment to keep that going and turn it off.  Its one thing to teach writing from mommy's book - its another for children to go to a 'wiki' where half the articles about gay butt sex and why its so bad and how much Ken enjoys it.  Andy, Ed, and Terry will be the last non-homeschoolers as sysops. --Shagie 02:35, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

The thing that surprised me with this was the length of time he held the grudge before acting on it. If you look at this you'll see his list of grievances about anti-mormonism on the site. Chasing links, its about a debate article that got deleted (the "are mormons christian" (note that "are catholics christian" is an active debate right now) and a bunch of edits in spring of 2007. Maybe he was hoping that Kenny would leave before then because much of the edits are Ken's doing.  Chances are it was Ultimatehero that finally broke the camel's back with this.  I'm surprised this came as a surprise to Crockie though.  Learntogether is deciding who is a christian and who is not and PJR and Andy are willing to make statements that say "nope, that person isn't christian" as well. At some point, if you don't believe exactly what they believe you are likely to be called "not a christian" too. --Shagie 02:35, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Does anyone else find the wording of Croc's goodbye suspect? Considering its striking parallels with Dan's, I wonder if it's actually sincere.  Maybe I'm just inherently untrusting of CP sysops, but I took the similar language to mean it was a spoof.  If it is a spoof, it's certainly an unkind one (to say the least), but if it's genuine, I actually feel bad for Croc, and I never thought I'd actually type that.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  02:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The timing and similarities is likely not coincidence and I don't believe its a spoof. I hope that Crockie has the fortitude to stand up for his beliefs when Andy comes begging and actually get Ken to apologize for past actions (in one edit? without weasel words? without declaring victory and locking his talk page?).  I doubt Andy has the backbone to do that beyond the begging though.  I am going to point to a section of my favorite article though...

You are at a party, and you get bored. You say "This isn't doing it for me anymore. I'd rather be someplace else. I'd rather be home asleep. The people I wanted to talk to aren't here." Whatever. The party fails to meet some threshold of interest. And then a really remarkable thing happens: You don't leave. You make a decision "I don't like this." If you were in a bookstore and you said "I'm done," you'd walk out. If you were in a coffee shop and said "This is boring," you'd walk out. You're sitting at a party, you decide "I don't like this; I don't want to be here." And then you don't leave. That kind of social stickiness is what Bion is talking about. And then, another really remarkable thing happens. Twenty minutes later, one person stands up and gets their coat, and what happens? Suddenly everyone is getting their coats on, all at the same time. Which means that everyone had decided that the party was not for them, and no one had done anything about it, until finally this triggering event let the air out of the group, and everyone kind of felt okay about leaving. This effect is so steady it's sometimes called the paradox of groups. It's obvious that there are no groups without members. But what's less obvious is that there are no members without a group. Because what would you be a member of?
 * Dan leaving likely gave enough trigger for Crock to leave. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw others (a fight between PJR and Andy or where PJR calls out Kookie and Learn on bullying and one side or the other walks off in a huff? Andy gets a call from some lawyers and tells Jockin not to upload anything more unless it really is fair use? Bohdan realizes that CP is going to be what Andy makes it to be that day and nothing he can say/do will change that into an encyclopedia) --Shagie 03:05, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Additionally, it will be very interesting to see who comes to Croc's wikifuneral to pay their respects, considering Dan only got Bohdan. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  02:56, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I dont feel, nor would feel, one spine-shiver of sorry for any of those sysops. As the good doctor used to say "You buy the ticket, you take the ride". The only people who should feel our sorrys is the humeskoolers that are going to be giggling when they hear the words "Tit-Mouse" or "Grey Crested Boobie" at the age of 30. Ace McWicked 02:58, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * It's interesting that DeanS didn't use the usual revert/block technique when it came to stuff he didn't like. But 2 Sysops in 2 days? And nary a public word from Andy to allay the fears of the remaining socks editors. Methinks there is something more rotten than usual in Andyland. So, does this mean they'll turn on Smeg Ed (who's also been conspicuous by his absence lately) next? --PsygremlinWhut? 03:12, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Well!You go to bed thinking all's right with the world and then this! With a bit of luck The Moony'll be next - I don't see how he can claim Christianity. I don't think it was just Ultimahero - I think it was mainly the lack of anyone rallying to his support that really pissed him off. As the only thing he's done since the flood has been the breaking news, I don't think he'll be missed. Ready for some real Mormon knocking now? This should bring the weevils out of the biscuit. Learn Together brings out my Poe's Law feelers - he's too good to be true. I think that of the present sysop crew the only eventual survivors will be AS (obviously); Kajagoogoo (too accustomed to blindly obeying superior's orders to think for himself); JM (""I've found some Americanos who listen to me!") & TerryH (Thinx like AS!). 03:15, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

My big disappointment in all this is Our Friend Hendricks. It's one thing to exist on the periphery, somehow, even spending more time on RW than CP at times, but to sit by idly while the "project" you are an admin on.... goes further and further into "wrong" - not that we are even right, but they are obviously wrong - speaks to an ugly conflict of character. And I think of Henrietta (Bohdan) as a friend. Bohdan, it may be time to fly your true colors. PS, the Flood happened about 3 MYA +/- my memory, according the the History Channel. Nice work, from a channel that also plays the "monster" chasing shows... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:22, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I see Karajooooojo has blocked Ultimate hero and reverted his edits. No appeal to Dean "Use your real first name" S however Ace McWicked 03:31, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Note: He blocked his e-mail so it's either sock up or shut up. 03:42, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Question: was it ever available? Many sysops on CP never enabled email (I had to write Slabby here on RW, because he wasn't enabled on "the other site"), because it was beyond their brainz to do so.  Of course, TK, enabled every private channel he could, because that was how he played his game... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:46, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I particularly like Croc's wording: "I'm also going to involve another administrator here, because I'm upset with your anti-Mormon edits. --DeanStalk 15:54, 21 June 2008 (EDT)"- upset! Ah, diddums then, did a nasty man upset poor little Crocodile. 04:26, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And LT's rallying to the flag (better late than never?) 04:30, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And Bungler chips in his 2¢'s worth. 06:27, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * BUT PJR re-instates Ultimahero's edit! Note the edit comment 06:31, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Won't anyone think of the children?
Not Andy's homeschoolers but us. We will loss more than half our amusement if CP goes under. This talk page is the most edited and viewed page on the site. 3.14159 03:29, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 160,615 views! DLerner 03:33, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * That occurred to me, but I'd say, with 95% certainty, that we would lose 95% of our Lulz. Still, isn't that our ultimate aim: the destruction of Conservapedia by whatever means? (I know that seems harsh, but ....) 03:36, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If CP goes under, many of us will simply have to go back to work on why we came here: the basic goals of RW. It might be less exciting on a day to day basis, since CP is so silly and so funny and so wrong.  But, there are many people out there spouting teh WRONG on teh tubes.... our job is never finished.   Ideally, our best work gets noticed by rock stars like PZ Myers, and we get a bump in visits.
 * Meantime, we get a glimpse into what Andrew Schlafly, BSE, JD, considers an appropriate approach to the education of 14 year old homskollars. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong..... We are thinking of the chilluns!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:38, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * How about we destroy Metapedia next? 3.14159 03:41, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Metapedia is currently dull so we must instill some paranoia or something if we are going to make it interesting.
 * Anyway, I can't say I feel one shred of pity for Croco and his bully, blatantly hateful, cruel attittude and policies. In fact, if it weren't for the fact I would be annoying (potentially) innocent individuals and that nobody at CP seems to miss him, I would tell those who say farewell to him to "mind their own bussinesses" NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 04:11, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I honestly don't think that we contribute a lot to their destruction. It's mostly self generated by internal schism. If anything we give them something to put up a united front against thus defeating any destructive objectives we might have. 04:07, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ediot Moon to the rescue! "I have an unbroken track record of success in every dispute I've mediated at wiki encyclopedias when I've been a sysop." <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:43, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's already WIGO'd - SuperWikiConflictResolutionMan. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    14:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

PJR vs Karajou pt 2?
PJR just reverts Kara's deletion of Ultimahero's crit of Mormon (I wonder if he'll lift the block too). This can mean 2 things - Kajagoogoo is going to go spare, and PJR isn't sorry to see Croc go (only Bungler has offered public support so far). I don't think we've seen the end of this yet. --PsygremlinWhut? 06:35, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * and Ultimahero(?) socks in to tell Bungler to Piss Off (LT's supported too - see mine far above)  06:43, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Some things are better left unsaid! 06:54, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Does anyone happen to have Croco's liberal subpage? He deleted it a few hours before leaving and apparently didn't see the irony. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 07:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Hey Ladies
did anyone notice that Roger Schlafly is on myspace looking for love? Ace McWicked 04:06, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Link? 04:08, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I am sure its him, without the horrible beard. Notice the quasi-sexual headline. Marry a conservative indeed! Ace McWicked 04:12, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * No the blog it links to is even worse that Roger's. Occasionally Roger makes a good point. 3.14159 04:26, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I am still sure its him, how many Roger Schlaflys can there be that work as Mathematicians? Ace McWicked 04:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Its is definately him. The CP article on him has the same education info as the Myspace and the pic is very similair (aside from beard). Looking love eh Roger? Someone wanna sock up and ask andy on the marry a conservative page? Ace McWicked 04:37, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * How old is Roger? Its the very first thing I seriously look on Conservapedia and guess what, it isn't there. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 04:38, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Actually it is him look at the second picture of this link from his blog. 3.14159 04:38, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it is! He's a right little sex obsessed wazzock. (& Alzheimers, of which some forms are genetic?, would explain Andy) 05:08, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Yes, it's definitely him. Also wasn't there some talk here not to long ago about him being divorced, which fits in with his blog comments and why he's trying to get laid through Hot-or-Not (is TK still a moderator there or was he actually kicked out?)[[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   05:18, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I wonder if roger is "Ralph" from Andys insane essay? Hmmmmmmmm. Ace McWicked 05:14, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Roger "I might mention my ex-wife or my kids or maybe a hot date..." Schlafly, aren't those big No Nos in the Andyverse? See divorce and marriage. Biblical Adultery is redefined so that Roger gets to roger. But not being married anymore surely abstinence is on the menu? Then again Roger might consider any date hot even if it's no more than holding hands. Andy may be having a hard time, a gay brother and now one who is a philanderer. What a disfunctional family. God won't be happy. Auld Nick 05:44, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Accurate graphing
calculated graph shows technology @ Noah's time. I cannot comment! 04:04, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh dear. -- AKjeldsen Potential fundamentalist! 05:05, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ehhh, what kind of technology the creationists suppose Adam and Eve had? NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:14, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Dunno, but more than the "Dark Ages"!.

I read a book about pre-flood technologies a while back. Among the claims of advanced nuclear technology there was also a little tidbit about how us evolutionists are going to be red in the face when we find evidence of pre-flood civilizations on the moon......... Ace McWicked 05:18, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It MUST be a parody. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I wish it was Ace McWicked 05:25, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Look where it came from. 05:31, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * One almost despairs of the human race if there are members of it capable of believing this utter TOSH! 05:42, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Some of us started despairing the day we found the Flat Earth Society : )  05:51, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Fortunately, that one is a parody (or at least, most of its members are parodists). NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:58, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I dunno. Newfoundland's tourism department used a quote from them in an ad. And then proceeded to say that no one knows whether or not the Earth is flat. Fsck Newfoundland. Barikada 11:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * They should put that graph in their upcoming history "textbook." I'm sure that'll increase its credibility by over 9000%. -- AKjeldsen Potential fundamentalist! 12:39, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Hang on... Are you sure you didn't mean to say "two percent", AKjeldsen? Uchiha KATON! 01:35, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Challenge: Roll as many Conservapedianisms as you can into one sentence
All I can think of is "I have just sent you a very important email over the largely defensive weapon of internet." I am curious to see what you can come up with. 05:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * "I have just sent you a very important email over the largely defensive weapon of internet. Godspeed!" NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:50, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I have just sent you a very insultive email over the 97.165% defensive weapon of internet. (one sentence, so no Godspeed!) Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 05:52, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * "Please submit a writing plan in the form of a very important email over the largely defensive weapon of internet. Godspeed!"   05:54, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Also: "RA (is that your real name?), you're clueless, its YOU who is going to submit a writing plan in the form of a very important email. Regarding the largely innefective school of public, 95% of liberals don't mind being deceitful while practicing lastwordism to censor criticism to it, you would have to deny logic to think otherwise. This discussion ends now. Godspeed!" NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:55, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ...I kneel in awe before your might, oh great NightFlare.  06:04, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You better do. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 06:05, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What kind of pagan do you take me for?  06:07, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Dunno, what kind of pagans are there? NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 06:08, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Not to, you know, be a party pooper or anything, but that's not one sentence. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 06:11, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I know. I didn't say anything because I didn't want to hurt the poor guy's feelings.  That would be bad  : (   06:14, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Sir, you have insulted me in your largely ineffective and clueless message of email and demand that you apologise to me, whilst providing sources and cites for your comments, including page numbers, and the fact that the books must have more reviews on Amazon than anything written by Mother Grundy Shlafly, whilst submitting the mostly useless plan of writing and trying to figure out how to submit such, as I've just blocked you according the most handy rule of 90/10, Godspeed. *Phew!* --PsygremlinWhut? 06:15, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That was a pretty good fusion of phrases right there, Psygremlin.  06:22, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * "RA (is that your real name?), you're clueless, its "YOU" who is going to receive a cp:writing assignment through a very important email in regards to the largely innefective school of public about which 95% of liberals don't mind being deceitful while practicing lastwordism to censor criticism to it and you would have to "deny" logic to "think" otherwise so this "discussion" ends now, thank you and Godspeed!!!"

Better? NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:55, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Much.  06:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * /bows before the Maestro.I'm not worthy... I'm not worthy...--PsygremlinWhut? 06:21, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * By "Maestro" you mean me, right? : )   06:30, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Pathetic! I see no mention of your stance on classroom prayer, Hollywood values, Professor values, affirmative action presidency, breast cancer, marrying Conservative girls, high-quality encyclopedia, this is not a blog, how we are better than Wikipedia, Google rankings or the withholding of data from public scrutiny. I'd do it myself but I'm burned out thinking up puns for Fun:Conservapedia%2C_The_Musical. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   07:37, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * One of these days we should make a list of "...isms" about every sysop... and you can't possibly put all that crap into a semi-coherent sentence. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 07:42, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I was about to retort that "Andy manages to do it" but then realised that it doesn't fulfil your criterion of semi-coherency. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   07:50, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * "RA (is that your real name?), you're clueless, its "YOU" who is going to receive a writing assignment through a very important email in regards to the largely ineffective school of public about which 95% of liberals and "professors" don't mind being deceitful while practicing lastwordism to prevent public scrutiny of data that would support homoschooling education because that prevents them from using the affirmative action as a replacement for love, and you would have to "deny" logic to "think" otherwise so this "discussion" ends now because we don't allow censorship of ideas (like Wickedpedia, the national enquirer of the internet and 6 times more liberal than the American public, does regarding breast cancer being caused by abortion and Hollywood values or like atheists do to classroom prayer) in this high-quality, non-blog site and that's why articles such as atheism and evolution get high Google rankings, "thank" you and Godspeed!!!"

I tried hard, but that's the best I could do. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 05:55, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * You nearly fooled me there, it was only when I saw your sig that I realised it was a parody! Poe's Law strikes again! [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   08:16, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I've sent you an email and blocked your account for adding talk polution to our site, feel free to come back once you open your mind, complete your writing assignment and learn to accept logic. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  13:06, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

KAL 007
Bert Schlossberg has nominated the article for front page feature. As he is the main contributor (with kajagoogoo) this seems to be the Kenservative way of doing things. He's also apparently the main contributor to WP's article, not to mention a book and dedicated website (google KAL007 Schlossberg, he seems to be a bit of a one trick pony (we already knew that - idiot).  05:59, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

PJR v Crocodile & Kajagoogoo (and now Ed (Moony) Poor)
Could PJR be making a lunge for power? Reverting K's deletion of Ultimahero & implicitly damning Crocodile? 06:49, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Or will it turn out to be a Parthian shot? 06:50, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

WTH, Croco is gone? Huh, can't say I'm overly sad - after all, he's the idiot who came up with his own Commandments like "If you see sysop abuse, look away". However, on a certain level, I can understand his reasoning: CP's definition of who counts as "Christian" is even weirder than CP's definition of who counts as "conservative". And we all know how insulting it is to have Andy or some other idiot insisting that we are X or aren't Y just because it suits his view ("Liberal = Atheist = Evolutionist = Evil", anybody?). So while I won't miss him, I can still relate in a way. --Sid 07:23, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Remember though, we're talking about the same person who quite openly stated that one of his objectives was to blatantly demonise liberals et al. I'm really having a hard time relating to such a person when the same thing (on a much lesser intensity I'll add) happens to him. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 07:34, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ed (Moony) Poor is now running around removing anything derogatory about CotLDS. 07:45, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I wonder if Ed understands the irony behind this comment. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 07:53, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Or this  "I have an unbroken track record of success in every dispute I've mediated at wiki encyclopedias when I've been a sysop." (Especially here, thanks to my powers of block, revert and ignore). Ed owes me an irony meter now and I owe him a kick up the jacksy for being a pompous git. --PsygremlinWhut? 08:16, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I may have got this confused but isn't he the guy who started blocking people who had named other than their real names - the same day he changed his name then insisted it wasn't hypocritical? He's a total arse. RedDog 08:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, you are correct. But he's also a total arse for a lot of other reasons as well. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   08:27, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I have practically no sympathy for Croco myself. I just said that I can relate to his reason for leaving because it's exactly the same issue that caused tons of others to throw up their hands in resignation. Of course, a part of me is also snickering in a nasty way because it's nice to see an idiot sysop getting a taste of his own medicine. And in the aftermath, I find comments like this one extremely hilarious because I keep replacing the word "Mormon" with "Atheism", "Evolution" or "Liberal" in my mind. --Sid 08:33, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ed's conceit knows no limits. The link you gave above is amazing - did you see the comment on the edit "A senior sysop weighs in". He really thinks he can resolve all this is with his own brand of reason and good faith. of course the point he is overlooking is that he is a comlpete cock. RedDog 08:38, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Update! I called it and here it is. PJR unblocks Ultimahero. Grab the popcorn folks, this could get interesting. --PsygremlinWhut? 12:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Yup just see this:


 * 12:11, 22 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Catholic views on creationism‎ (→Evolution: Reversion of translation claim, as explained on talk page.) (top)
 * 12:10, 22 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Catholic views on creationism‎ (→Latest reversion by Aschlafly: And again...) (top)
 * 11:41, 22 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Help:Editing etiquette‎ (Revert; it was just an example, and a correct one, even if it didn't tell the whole story) (top)
 * 11:08, 22 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints‎ (→Now Fully Sourced material added by Ultimahero: No, the onus is the other way.) (top)
 * 06:24, 22 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints‎ (Reinstate Ultimahero's post. He was civil, so there's no valid reason for removing his defence of criticism of his edits.)

He's living dangerously! 12:37, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy's reverted PJR's reversion with a wagging finger "Don't do it again". (My connection's dropped to snail's pace so not copying links etc.) 13:33, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Where abouts Susan? Any chance of a link? or at least a direct quote. Well - you know it's Sunday night and I've got time on my hands. A quick question to any of the longer standing members (so to speak): The rate of sysop attrition seems really high at the moment. Is this normal for CP or is it looking a bit wobbly? RedDog 13:50, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Try here. & yes it's getting a tad wobbly. DanH, Crocoite, & PJR getting stroppy. 13:55, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ha that's great - thank Susan. While PJR is obviously more placid than the others I really can't see him budging on matters of principle. On the other hand I can't see Andy risking losing another "senior sysop" (great phrase - thanks Ed)! RedDog 14:08, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * PJR doesn't openly give in, but he usually knows when not to push an issue beyond the limits. See cp:Talk:Archaeopteryx and cp:Talk:Gun control for example. --Sid 14:53, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Honestly, I wonder if PJR's testing the insanity level here. Despite his bull-headed refusal to take fact into account on YEC-ism, he does seem to pride himself on being a reasonable man, and he's just watched two sysops leave as a result of Andy's unreasonableness and that of others. It may be this is him testing the waters to see if things have actually gotten intolerable enough to him to think of moving on as well. In the past little while he hasn't been treated very well over there, and he's been treated to lots of examples of ideological inflexibility and tests, which doesn't look good at all. Which all makes me wonder if he's on the edge of finally realizing what a poisonous bunch he's allied himself with, so he's conducting some tests of his own. This is only speculation, but what are the chances the scales might be falling from his eyes with regard to his involvement with this vile bunch? --Kels 16:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I e-mailed him along those lines t'other day, so far no reply. 17:28, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course he wouldn't reply. You're one of "the enemy".  Also, you wouldn't be the best choice for corresponding with a YECer.  Maybe he'd respond better to a fellow theist, but we can't know for sure.   01:59, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

another one
here goes another Ace McWicked


 * The ever-thoughtful Deborah has even conjured up "retired" template in time for the exodus.  --PsygremlinWhut? 20:40, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I saw that and thought it was a little err... presumptious? 20:46, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

World of Warcraft
Someone might drop over to WoWWiki & give Kirkburn this link: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=World_of_Warcraft&diff=next&oldid=479757. I can't get logged on. 17:54, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, check out the reference for #6. (Warning - looped sound with no control that I can find.) - Lardashe
 * I thought it was a Poe's Law violation but the internal links suggest it is a real fundamentalist site. CЯacke ® 20:22, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * God knows what its native language is - it's definitely NOT English. 20:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Cracker:
 * "So-called 'HTML' codeing is satanic! As it is a conspiracy of New World Order, the secret plan of United Nations to take over US and the whole world!!! The code contains many loopholes and security bugs, new World Order will be able to break into every computer through this system they are marketiong!!! —"
 * No, I'm pretty sure it's a parody.  21:44, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I've seen that side before, back when it was just ranting about how Dungeons and Dragons caused rock music and bathing, and yes, it's a gag. I think the writer's from Sweden. --Gulik 23:30, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Then the Law holds...without any obvious sign of it being of a humorous nature, someone, me, in this case, thought it was real. That'll teach me to skim. CЯacke ® 12:43, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I was pretty sure it was a parody from the start, but the giant, all-caps rant about "washing machines with transparent lids" made it totally obvious. a  ssume  $$a=a$$ 19:26, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

All Quiet on the Western front
Hmmmm its has been very very quiet over at CP today. I sense the end is nigh. I think Andy senses it also even though he is refusing to let up on his undefendable positions. Ace McWicked 20:27, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I imagine a seething mass of e-mails traversing the interwebsphere. 20:44, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * (Rather like maggots beneath the skin of a corpse) UGH! - sorry I thought that! 20:45, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Susan, that was a brilliant analogy. That said its probably correct. the SDG will be a flurry of activity. Although Andy will in know way show it, I bet theres a slight worry and a bead of blood sweating from his forehead as we speak. Ace McWicked 20:51, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Agreed on the mail issue. The only thing I'm not sure about is... are the mails directed at the Exodus Sysops or at the current Core Team? My thought is this: Either Andy tries to convince the "Swing Voters Sysops"... or he recruits new candidates for his Core Team of valued sysops and figures that the other people can go home if they like. --Sid 20:53, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Many a report has been made of Conservapedia's imminent demise, yet it keeps on trucking with ever increasing traffic. Remember today is Sunday, a traditionally quiet day on not only CP but RW as well. Fifth Horseman 21:00, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Whatever way he plays it; he'll still be the king of the compost heap. I think he'll give Dan & Dean one chance to apologise(!) and return and then recruit from his pet dog, and Phyllis junior's Hampster. 21:03, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I'll agree with both points, 5thH: It's Sunday, and we've been running around with the "The End Is Nigh!" signs for quite a while. However, you can't (or shouldn't) ignore the build-up: Dan resigned this week, Croco resigned this weekend, Ed attempts Damage Control while PJR openly disagrees with Croco and Andy ("LDS" and "Catholic views on creationism"). It sorta piles up and makes for a fairly busy weekend. --Sid 21:43, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and I think that most of the "traffic" is RW and/or other people laughing about CP. And I think it has been mentioned here and there that RW is CP's main referring site. So the "trucking on with ever increasing traffic" is not as great as it sounds and should be taken with a grain of salt :P --Sid 21:45, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Actually, Sundays are fairly busy at CP, depending on the week. Depends on just how hyped up Andy's got after church, or how much homework the legion of vandals have to deal with over the weekend before they can go have fun. --Kels 23:07, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It was weekend when CP pwned Rush Limbaugh... anyway: "yet it keeps on trucking with ever increasing traffic." If you're in a room, and everyone else is laughing, does it mean you are funny?  As long as Andy keeps feeding the hamster, CP will continue to get lots of "traffic".  If he, on top of paying the bills, continues to create new hilarities like the Lenski email idiocy, CP will continue to garner new "traffic". I doubt it will ever be funnier than the Darwin Awards, but you never know! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:12, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Lenin Lover
It won't last but here it is. 22:59, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * AUTOFIRE WTF? 23:11, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Ken's music vids
So why is Conservative posting links to you tube music videos on cp:User:Conservative/atheism-response-youtube-video-material? I must say the Billy Joel song wasn't half bad, thanks ken! - Icewedge (*bleet*) 23:34, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * He has no clue. Ken's idea of "research" is to hunt the web for things he can "quote" or "quote mine". He thinks "quotes" = "evidence".  And when it comes to music/lyrics, interpretation is everything.  What Billy Joel song was it, Only the Good Die Young? (Come on, Virginia!  /// What's her name?  Virginia Plain?) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:42, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * C'mon Virgina, don't let me wait, you Catholic girls start much too late! Barikada 01:47, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ya missed part of it... "It is raining in Acapulco, we are flying out to Rio!" <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:05, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Ah, Columbo! "Good old Columbo. Just the one technique of course. Still, shits on Quincy." --81.187.75.69 02:28, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's really interesting isn't it? I think Ken is completly sincere here but what he is showing us is the deep lying paranoia bordering on insanity. It's like he is conducting a propaganda campaign against the dark hordes of evil (us!). I think this can be seen as a microcosm of the entire Conservapedia project and in part explains how they can flat out lie (and know it). I find CP fascinating. It's one huge, living Freudian experiment. RedDog 02:53, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Less Freudian for me, and more a fine example of the Authoritarian Mindset in all its scabrous glory. But still fascinating, even if it makes me want to invent the eSlap on a regular basis. --Gulik 15:57, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

How to be an honest, responsible human being
This isn't WIGO worthy (stop me if you've heard that one!), but: "'Flippin was never man enough to be an honest, responsible human being.' —Karajou" I found Karajou's comment to be revealingly sexist—oho, so you have to be a MAN to be a good person? 03:22, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Karajou must be very manly then.  03:22, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

As manly as a sailor, a policeman, a construction worker... maybe even a native american. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 07:01, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ooooh! You are naughty! 07:04, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

"Reject evolution by wide margins"
Schlafly v. Truth. This follows his tradition that nationality is the sole determiner of belief. Coarb 06:39, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If Obama is American, Andy is American and Obama is a muslim, that means... NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 06:48, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ...Andy is Obama? My God, it all fits! Ajkgordon 09:24, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, that's just silly. Andy couldn't give a speech to save his life, unlike Barack.  --Gulik 16:30, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Ken's flashing again
Absolutely pathetic. <font color=Blue>Genghis   06:58, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I was thinking about putting a header on WIGO & TWIGO to the effect of: "Ignore Ken's messages to 'Gentlemen': noting them merely feeds his ego. " 07:01, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That really is pathetic. So he has started a UK based e-mail spamming campaign, apprently preaching to the converted. At a time when CP has never looked more fractured or weak. Just following from Ken's emabressing inability to make any kind of impression and his cringe inducing attempt to troll Austin Cline into a fight. The man needs therapy. RedDog 07:36, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I think he might get a bit of a shock with any replies he might get from UK theists. Very very few of them are YECers and see the whole American obsession with evolution as faintly ridiculous. Ajkgordon 09:02, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Faintly? 09:08, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Most of them are CoE, Susan. Everything is faintly. :) Ajkgordon 09:23, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Point taken. :-) 09:34, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The more I consider it the more I find this section title apposite. Ken is like the stereotypical dirty mac flasher, opening his coat to say look at me and then putting it away again before he gets noticed by Andy. Don't think about it too much it will make you feel dirty. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   09:48, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What does "CoE" mean?  12:46, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Church of England, you pesky whippersnapper. 12:51, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * More often as: CofE 12:53, 23 June 2008 (EDT)


 * C of E frequently means people who'd rather believe than not believe or who'd rather say they believe. Committed Church of England Christians are more likely to say "Church of England" or "Anglican". Proxima Centauri 13:04, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, although it depends on context. CofE can be simply an abbreviation often put on forms or whatever. In spoken conversation, then yes, the abbreviation can indicate cultural affiliation rather than a faith. (Just to clarify for the eternally damned amongst you, Church of England and Anglican are not synonymous.) Ajkgordon 13:40, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

.. ! What a stupid twat! <font color=Blue>Genghis   06:50, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * For extra hilarity, look at this edit from two minutes before the "bump". --Sid 06:53, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I Think he's counting either in or out e-mails. (what's the betting that the "UK Theists" are ex-pat Americans?) 06:57, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Huh how much drama!
Just a thank you for all the WIGO and WIGO talk. I was away from RW a couple of weeks and what did I miss! Letters to prof. Lenski, two Sysops quitting, Roger without beard. Wow. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 08:14, 23 June 2008 (EDT)


 * ...but at least you made it back in time to see PJR pwning Andy! --SpinyNorman 09:26, 23 June 2008 (EDT) (thx Susan!)
 * Is PJR committing Hari-Kari? The is not the first time in recent days that he's stood up against CP madness. Andy must be torn in two between a desire to punish and a need to keep one of CP's best contributors. Silver Sloth 09:25, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I know it's an awful pun, but all I could think of when I read that was Andy, in a Bligh-like voice, saying "This is mutiny, Mr. Christian, MUTINY!". --SpinyNorman 09:28, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Looks like PJR is in danger of breaching the 90/10 rule not to mention talk pollution. It kind of reads like he has really had enough. I don't think Andy would allow another sysop to be pushed out so quickly though. I would love to see the e-mails flying between them over the last few days. RedDog 09:48, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * See above. 09:54, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

"Pressing Issues" Calling...
Well, it's not surprising that Andy can't just admit to being wrong, even when being pwned by a meticulous sysop like PJR. You know you've beaten him in an argument, though, when he suddenly realizes that he has pressing issues that require his attention, so he has no more time to waste on this - case closed. Great job, Philip. --SpinyNorman 11:37, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, never mind your well referenced argument, it's true because I say it is. Now shut up and move on. RedDog 11:48, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually that is kind of throwing the old gauntlet down to PJR isn't it? I wonder if he will accept his 'put down'. Sadly knowing PJR I think he probably will. Andy has pretty much said that he is refusing reasoned argument and pushing a POV and if anyone doesn't like it, it's too bad. RedDog 11:52, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes, he has said that, pretty much for the last two years. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 11:54, 23 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I particularly like the edit comment: "final reply". (= Fucking shut up or I'll tell my Mommy & she'll sort you out) 11:56, 23 June 2008 (EDT)


 * It seems like PJR has gotten less & less patient with the usual CP bullshit lately. My take on it is that he puts a tremendous amount of time & energy into his posts, whether one agrees with them or not, and that credibility & professionalism are important to him.  If he's going t take the time to make a point he believes in and backs it up, only to have someone (even Andy) just dismiss it with their POV, then I think he'll soon be looking for other outlets. --SpinyNorman 12:00, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, it wouldn't surprise me if he jumped ship. 12:16, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If he does, don't look for a Parthian shot. While he'd be justified in giving one (and it'd surely be a pleasure to read), I think PJR will simply not show up on wiki. He may have things to say via the SDGII or somewhere but I'm betting his sense of "everything in order" and decorum will leave him no actual choice but to leave quietly. --CЯacke ® 13:15, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Interesting comparison
It's been interesting seeing the various tussles between Aschlafly and PJR recently and it demonstrates a major difference in their respective methods - even that they are incompatible.

When evidence challenges PJR's beliefs, he attempts to integrate it into his ideology. He is diligent in doing so (although many here will, of course, claim that it requires many Herculean stretches), thoughtful, and presents his conclusions in a reasonable dialogue - even if some of those conclusions might be considered unreasonable. He is not prone to ignoring uncomfortable information or dismissing it as "liberal", "evolutionist" or "atheist" as a debate winner.

Aschlafly, on the other hand, is almost the polar opposite. His first recourse is, of course, the ad hominen. Not just with people but with associations too. It is often enough for a fact or evidence to be of a particular national, religious, political, or social origin for it to be dismissed with derision. Instead of arguing the point, he attacks the source even if that source happens to be the Holy Bible itself. If that doesn't work, contorted "logic" is sprayed over the target evidence with wilful abandon. Finally, if contrary evidence is too much for even that, he will simply resort to his authority.

The two approaches are extraordinarily different. While PJR is willing to analyse evidence and either to metabolise it into supporting his views or to refute it with reasoned (albeit possibly flawed) arguments, Aschlafly simply denies it, scorns it or uses impossibly convoluted logic to refute it. Or simply ignores it.

When these two methods collide, the results are predictable. Although I'm still surprised at how PJR remains not just an editor but a sysop. Perhaps it's simply a desire to preach the good word whatever the forum and that outweighs any other consideration. Ajkgordon 12:42, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I think you're right, his zeal for putting his own POV allows him to operate in a hostile environment. reminds me of the Jehova's Witnesses door knocking even though they know that 98% will tell them (politely>?) to piss off. 12:49, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Holllywood values: flip side
AliceBG shows the other side of the coin. Wonder how long that'll last. 12:43, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What would make it even better is if she included the adjusted values. From a calculator online, I found that 250K in 1971 is roughly equal to 1.3M in modern dollars. - Lardashe
 * It didn't last very long. (Conservapedia Commandment #12:  Thou Shalt Not imply Liberals are anything other than EVIL INCARNATE.) I really hope I'm right about Bugler being a parodist, because if not, if  we ever meet, I'll have to slap him until my arm swells up and falls off. --Gulik 16:54, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Invitation to PJR
Please, do the right thing. As per a wonderful Aussie movie, "Just walk away". And, come on over here and join us. We will happily welcome you into the fold, yes, we will debate you, but you are often an intelligent debater and we'd welcome the opportunity. We all might learn a thing or two. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  13:28, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, come to the dark side! We have better catering, you know. I think this is a splendid idea. 13:36, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I third the invite 14:13, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Don't hold yer breath. If I were PJR I wouldn't come here even if I did jump ship. After all he'd be leaving a wiki that he's coming to realise is at odds with the truth as he knows it...to go to a wiki which is diametrically OPPOSED to his truth??? would be downright silly. CЯacke ® 14:20, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You're probably right. I don't want him to come here just for us to be able to jump all over him.  I'd like to hear some of his points in a less totalitarian setting.  In many ways, aren't we the target audience?  I never got the whole "preaching to the converted thing".  14:25, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Doubtful he'll come. He's treading in the open far too much as it is.  He's the Australian leader of an Illuminati conspiracy involving the Girl Scouts, the spread of coffee bars, and boy bands to cause upheaval in third world southeast Asian countries. <font face="Comic Sans MS"> - The Question  <font face="Comic Sans MS"> ...but what is the answer?  14:50, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Doubt very much PJR will come here although I would like to see him. I have asked him directly in more than one e-mail to visit here and he has ignored me. Don't blame him really. I expect he gets a lot of that sort of thing via e-mail. Polite invitations. Must be tiring. RedDog 15:11, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

PJR - go to CreationWiki, instead. I doubt you would be happy editing here, but that place seems like it would welcome your contributions and maybe not be such huge jackasses about things like politics and religion at the same time.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 01:06, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

From WP sockpuppeteer to CP sysop
Congrats Jinxmchue! You're going to need a lot of condoms! --<font color="#4169E1" face="courier">JayJay4ever <font color="#FFA812">??? 14:39, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just read his user page. He seems quite shouty, quite red-necky, a big arse and very goddy. I feel a great disturbance in the force... RedDog 15:17, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * He's also rather prone to latching onto random users and stalking them for a while. Barikada 15:24, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This is wonderful news!! I was afraid they would elect some sane person to be sysop, but I guess I had no reason to worry. Etc 15:34, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't know what in the hell he did to "earn" being a sysop. Look at his record of contributions. He only edits a rather narrow range of articles, and about half of his edits are talk, talk, talk.  Luckily, all of his talk contributions are conservative, and many of them are pointing out news stories of interest to conservatives, so he found a great way to endear himself to Andy.  With a record like that, who needs actual qualifications? --Elkman 18:41, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * All I remember of Jinx is mindless edit warring over Dungeons & Dragons and whining on Talk:ExamplesOfWPBias about how evil WP people reverted him. Oh yeah, and the random stalking. Which are three excellent CP Enforcer qualities, so congrats on the well-deserved promotion! ;) --Sid 19:20, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Personally, I remember him for th lulz produced in this exchange with 'Urushnor' about what seems to be his favorite game, which he seems to think is so perfect, it's divine. Zmidponk 22:37, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

lulz
Looks like a /b/tard Ebaumsworld raid going on just now. Probably they'll be banned soon enough, but there may be a few immaturely funny new pages/additions in the meantime. Uchiha KATON! 15:12, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I really struggle with the terminology and always end up looking kind of like I don't know what I'm talking about. What on earth is an Ebaumsworld raid? It sounds fun. RedDog 15:19, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ebaumsworld is yet another website/discussion board full of bored teenagers of all ages. You can probably figure out the rest from that.  --Gulik 16:58, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

TK
What ever happened to the ranting oblivion that was TK? Did I miss something? He came back but then just dropped right off my gay-dar. Ace McWicked 19:08, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * He left CP because people like PJR started poking JM's copypaste orgy that was/is cp:Mind/body. PJR's poking led to the drama where JM "left CP", and TK also left in protest. Of course, JM quickly returned once people like Andy went all "Oh noes, JM! U R our bestest editor evah! Come back!". --Sid 19:16, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Ahhhh I did miss that final response. Asleep at the switch again. I remember the whole Mind/Body shitstorm though. Ace McWicked 19:20, 23 June 2008 (EDT)