User talk:Nature's Mockery/Archive 1

Meh
Looks like we've got ourselves yet another pet Conservapedian. -- Goatspeed. 00:09, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Eh, I don't even have any of the rights yet. I tried to tell CP how to fix the broken autoconfirmed feature but was ignored. Sievert 81 (talk) 00:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Every time CP crashes, it shakes a nut or two our way. Sievert 81 tried to claim — without citation or evidence — that transmittable (wow) spongiform encephalopathies (Mad Cow Disease) is not transmitted by prions, contrary to the scientific consensus. Bongolian (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I know. It was I who reverted them the second time and protected the page to try and de-escalate the edit war. Feel free to unprot it and trout me if you think I shouldn't have done that. -- Goatspeed. 03:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * He admitted he was wrong on his talk page. I never said TSEs were not caused by prions. Sievert 81 (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You claimed that. TSEs are caused by prions, and I never said it wasn't. I was responding to the dumbass that said it did. Check the prion-related pages on Conservapedia I created https://www.conservapedia.com/Transmissible_spongiform_encephalopathy where I spell it right and clearly spell out that it is caused by prions. Show any evidence that I didn't. Sievert 81 (talk) 02:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And check the talk page of Prions and re read it very carefully. It's obvious what I meant, and the intellect of someone who can't figure that out is the same as spelling it 'transmittable spongiform encephalopathies'. Sievert 81 (talk) 02:57, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I misread what you wrote. Sorry about that. Bongolian (talk) 03:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we were both in the wrong there. I shouldn't have insulted you, and you shouldn't have called me out without checking the diff. Sievert 81 (talk) 03:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

That said, the main problem with Sievert 81's edits is the mainspace text additions that are lacking in confirming citations. Bongolian (talk) 03:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * fair enough, but this https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2019/05/414326/alzheimers-disease-double-prion-disorder-study-shows proves Alz is a prion disease. Sievert 81 (talk) 03:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Check previous message, also just released this https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:75,000_cases which shows how my 75,000 cases theory works. Sievert 81 (talk) 04:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We're not interested in your theory unless you get it published in reputable journal that we can cite. Bongolian (talk) 04:57, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Masks
When trying to dispute a scientific consensus, it might be useful to have something better than a single study from four years ago. 04:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I argue that an older study is better because newer ones may be manipulated by bias. Sievert 81 (talk) 18:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * One, the older one is biased. Two, that position is stupid and untenable. Three, no, that's not how bias or studies work. 19:00, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Block notice
Here's one for edit-warring. When established users tell you not to repeat an action and give you a solid explanation why, it's generally a good idea not to repeat it. Feel free to unblock them and trout me if you feel that this is too excessive. -- Goatspeed. 04:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You guys have no clue how to read sources. It does not 'compare', it says. I edit war because the reason is stupid. Sievert 81 (talk) 04:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You guys are a bunch of fucking idiots and this place is an echo chamber. Completely worthless to try to change your mind on 1 thing. MASKS DONT WORK, 75,000 CASES, BLM ARE TERRORISTS. Sievert 81 (talk) 04:34, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, defaulting to non-sequitur talking points really doesn't help your case. I admitted to making a typo, and have removed myself from his discussion up until this point. I'm sorry if that wasn't to your liking, but then again such a mistake wasn't to my liking either. As to your current dispute with Circular Reasoning, perhaps you ought to try to lay out your case in a calm and clear manner, trying to work the other person from A to B to C. Yes, I understand that you believe you've been doing that, that you're frustrated and probably more than a little annoyed, but it clearly hasn't conveyed the intended position. 04:47, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * IF nanoplastics can misfold ANY protein, why can't it be the prion protein???? Sievert 81 (talk) 04:51, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds like mistaking the map for the territory, honestly. 04:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.conservapedia.com/Nanoplastics This is what I wrote on CP, and it hasn't been reverted yet. The right is more tolerant of science than the left, ironic. Sievert 81 (talk) 05:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Look, you've caught me in a sympathetic mood. But honestly, CP's understanding "the right" and "the left" is intellectually dubious, at best. Your site exists because you thought Wikipedia was "too far left", which honestly, is just laughable. As for science, you can't just point at something and yell "science!", you have to actually go through the work of submitting evidence, having it reviewed in good faith, accepting criticism and then double checking your work with that criticism in mind, because you have no goal other than to try to figure out what is true. That's science. Now, I've been more or less patient with you, just as I was with Ken and with LT when they both showed up here, even knowing the stuff they get up to on CP. But honestly, I find your defaulting to talking points and ad hom attacks to be incredibly childish and unproductive. Either present your case, or don't. Quit with the nonsense posturing about "the left" and "the right".  05:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If I wasn't 16 I would. I am going to submit my 75,000 cases essay for my high school senior project, and am going to work towards a Masters or PhD so people will listen to me. I am just pissed that people don't see the obvious conspiracy here. Why was there very few Alz and CJD cases before plastic and mass farming of cows. Questions I want to answer.Sievert 81 (talk) 05:20, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe David Benatar was right. Maybe humanity isn't worth saving... 05:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Alas, now it seems, from your comments all too typical of Conservapedian snowflakes (like your buddies LT, RobSmith and 🇰🇪) when they come here only to then realize they can't monopolize the narrative like they can at the blog, and then play victim when their ideas get shot down that I showed you too much of that "assume good faith" attitude, which- unlike your blog- while our judgement may admittedly not be perfect, we at least encourage. Thanks for hurting my perception of you even more, Sievert. -- Goatspeed. 16:40, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

For fucks sake
It is conceivable that you could actually piece together a useful addition to RW, but for fucks sake try to write a coherent sentence. Bongolian (talk) 23:12, 21 November 2020 (UTC)


 * But I cited my sources! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7205903/ says covid causes aids in plain text on page 69.420! &mdash; Unsigned, by: Sievert 81 / talk / contribs
 * It's clear you get your sources from page 1488 and 1D10T. Sheesh. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Sievert 81 / talk / contribs
 * Are you mentally ill? T-cells don't equal AIDS; you're relying on a study citing another study that simply says t-cell exhaustion correlates with HIV. Correlation does not equal causation, learn to argue before you find a conclusion. IveBeenFrank (talk) 23:21, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * HOW DARE you insult me based on mental illness! Liberals were supposed to love and have sex with the mentally ill! I graduated 6th grade so I know how to spel god. Also can I have sysop after this blok? &mdash; Unsigned, by: Sievert 81 / talk / contribs
 * Haha funny joke dude. Damn bro, you got the whole squad laughing. IveBeenFrank (talk) 23:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's NOT a joke! Im gonna rreport you to Andy ! unblock me so I can write the report. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Sievert 81 / talk / contribs
 * Alas I showed this person too much of that "assume good faith" attitude. Yet another CP troll who can't cope with the fact that they don't have the power to monopolize the narrative and reinvent reality, blocking anyone who dares disagree with their edits.
 * Oh, and also: -- Goatspeed. 17:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with that guy. COVID does cause aids, read reddit,com/wuhan flu for gods sake. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Sievert V2 / talk / contribs

Coop Notice
JJPMaster (talk) 18:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually, the case has been moved to the mod noticeboard. -- Goatspeed. 18:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that Sievert is currently blocked and cannot thus defend himself on this case. Maybe the block should be lifted for the duration of the ATIM vote.


 * Kay, sounds fair; unblocking now. -- Goatspeed. 18:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Topic banned.
You have been topic banned from all articles relating to Biology & Medicine. This means you are not allowed to make edits to these articles or edit their talkpages. Violating this sanction may result in escalating blocks or vandal binning of your account. Repeated violations may result in a vote to permanently block your account. Creating alternate accounts to bypass this topic ban is not allowed. If you want to appeal this topic ban, feel free to open a case over on the moderator noticeboard. 22:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

An atheist AND a Republican?
That's a combination you don't see every day (although there are some "Atheists 4 Trump" groups on Facebook and some ideologically-conservative activist groups like Atheists for Liberty). Interesting. It's good to know that at least we agree on two things, the other being that Trump is scum. I like seeing liberals, conservatives, and far-leftists all come together in their hatred of him. -- Goatspeed. 02:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * My ban from Conservapedia and the storming of the Capitol was the last straw. I only supported Trump because I feared Biden and Harris would end up being a lot worse. Now I think Trump needs to be arrested. I don't know if there WILL be a Republican party anymore. I expected them to protest outside the Capitol, but not destroy it. Is the rumor that they wanted to take the senators as hostages true? Sievert 81 (talk) 04:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Brings to mind the Michigan (I think it was Michigan) kidnapping plot... Twodots (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And there were riots at Georgia's capitol as well, possibly also egged on by the fact that DA JOO Ossoff won. -- Goatspeed. 20:03, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't say for sure since it of course didn't happen, but one of the protestors did bring zipties so... yeah there's that. At least all of them are being easily identified because none of them wore masks, which is frankly hilarious because not making yourself easily identifiable is protesting 101. 22:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Racists aren't very bright... if they were they wouldn't be in the Trump cult. -- Goatspeed. 07:29, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I would agree, but then again I was stuck in this shit for a while... Sievert 81 (talk) 07:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
I figure you've proven yourself to no longer be a troll, so I'm removing that pesky Captcha for you. Try not to screw up- it may reflect badly on me... Twodots (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The topic ban still applies, but you've been following it well thus far, so I have faith in you I'm confident you'll remain a good-faith editor after being Autopatrolled as well. 19:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I will. Hopefully I can get it removed at some point. Sievert 81 (talk) 19:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you keep this up, I bet you could get it removed pretty quickly... Twodots (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I see the opportunity for more useful additions to the Prions page, specifically mentioning multiple system atrophy and variably protease-sensitive prionopathy, and including a few studies I had on the durability of prions. Sievert 81 (talk) 19:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations
Seriously, you have grown very much ever since your CP ban. You have gone from being a sockpuppet, to reverting sockpuppets. As such, I have given you the welcome template in order to cancel out with your meh from earlier. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 20:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sievert is not a sockpuppet. The reason why I originally put that up there is because we were being visited by a whole bunch of CP trolls back in the day- of which the old Sievert was one. -- Goatspeed.  21:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Talkback!
JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 22:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Message from the RationalWiki Ministry of Demotion and Personal Impediment

 * (Copied) Looks like the vandalism is over. One question, can I rename offensive usernames? I don't see any option for it. Sievert 81 (talk) 10:42 pm, Today (UTC−8)


 * No. Only techs and mods can do that. -- Goatspeed. 06:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * hopefully this edits the talk page instead of the template, but is there anything else interesting I can do I should know about? Sievert 81 (talk) 06:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

For setting an excessively huge joke-expiration time for protecting your userpage
It's better to just select "indefinite" when protecting your userpage. Apparently, from what I've seen discussed on tech support, such high values as "9999" can fuck with the recent changes. Please don't let it happen again. (We should include an entry advising new sysops to not such high values in the sysop guide to prevent mistakes like this in the future methinks.) -- Goatspeed. 21:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I was asleep when that happened. What happened to the recent changes? Sorry for breaking it. didn’t know that could happen. Sievert 81 (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's okay. Just don't do it again. Many new sysops tend to make mistakes quite often. More information on what happened can be found here. -- Goatspeed. 21:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * We should probably raise an issue at MediaWiki itself. Someone doing that intentionally could disable a wiki. Sievert 81 (talk) 21:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

It works, sort of
But not really. If I were wanting to disrupt, it’s not hard to turn a phone off and back on, and there’s a way I can get another range too (on T-Mobile; the trick is to get onto IPv4 and it bypasses the IPv6 block. But I’m not even trying to disrupt (nor was I meaning to dox you; I thought that was information you were okay with having out there because you volunteered it); right now I’m answering your question, and the answer is no, you cannot stop me. Even if you hard blocked T-Mobile, I could get on a prepaid Verizon or AT&T plan easily. It’s not that expensive to get an alternative SIM. Not to mention my DSL range (and my DSL IP is pretty dynamic too). But I’m not here to harass or troll; I just wanted to explain what happened with the CheckUser thing so you didn’t think I was falsely accusing you of some nonsense someone else did (because I KNOW how that feels, they do it to me here all the time). Peace be with you Sievert. Iphone User (talk) 01:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I will not vandalize CP anymore, (but do note there are other vandals, ex CCPSHILL and juvenile delinquent), but we were also targeting a few other vandals on that range. you see how I thought that was your intent though. Sievert 81 (talk) 02:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)