Talk:Woman

Sex and Gender...
Sex is biological, gender is cultural--people can be gendered in a number of ways, but typically sexed as either male or female (hermaphrodites, etc. can cloudy up even this distinction...). Thus, my edit...PFoster 01:29, 8 November 2008 (EST)
 * A great point, awesome :) --Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 01:35, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Er... the Bell Curve? wasn't that about race?

I still think, as much as people worked on this article, that it is stillborn. Quit chasing the troll...  ħ uman  03:30, 8 November 2008 (EST)


 * The Bell Curve wasn't really about race; it was about intelligence. Much of it ended up being race-related inasmuch as the authors alleged that much of intelligence was genetic.  It also said in small part that men tended to be smarter; it was the only example I had on hand of a study like that offhand.


 * I'm sorry you don't like the article, but c'est la vie, I suppose.--Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 07:28, 8 November 2008 (EST)


 * Don't like this sentence: "In the modern world - or at least in the most industrialized nations - there is still a strong perception that women are inferior to men in many ways, even though most people have come to think of the sexes as essentially equal." It's a bit self contradictory. TOAST and butter 06:58, 8 November 2008 (EST)


 * Good point. Muddy phrasing on my part.--Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 07:28, 8 November 2008 (EST)

I removed the external link to the men's rights forum or whatever it is. Saying "we only wrote this article because we were hounded by a troll" doesn't really do our credibility any good.  w easeLOId ~ 07:01, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Ecclesiastes 7:26
Two things here. Firstly, presenting Ecclesiastes as an expression of "traditional religious beliefs" seems problematic at best. At the time of writing, it represented in many ways a re-evaluation of traditional beliefs during a time of crisis, and even today, it is questionable whether there is anything traditional about it. And secondly, rather than just accepting a superficial reading of "OMG, it says something bad about women", let's take the time to read the whole section 7:23-29. Notice how it's first talking about wisdom, and then we get the apparent sudden change in subject at 7:26. Then turn to Proverbs, which is a book that is closely connected to Ecclesiastes. Read chapters 7-9 and notice in particular how wisdom and foolishness is presented as two different women. With that in mind, try to figure out for yourselves what exactly is going on at this point in Ecclesiastes. There will be a test. -- 15:16, 9 November 2008 (EST)

I take issue with this line
"Thus, while there is some element of misogyny within the use of the term, it is more of a result of the overlying social structure rather than specific anti-woman sentiment among the speakers of English."

Does the word "misogyny" no longer mean this: "hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women." (From Dictionary.com)

Are you suggesting that there is an element of woman-hatred in the word woman? The word woman is in the definition of misogyny. How can woman be misogynistic in that case? I suggest removal or deletion or revision. It seems absurd to assume there is an element of woman-hatred in the "term" (word) "woman." Hilariously, the bible is pointed to as evidence for this. It's ironic to see the bible being used for evidence of anything, even in this context. I'd also suggest toning down the overall extremism on all articles related to this topic.

Parogar (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you're missing the point. The article isn't accusing anyone who dares use the word "woman" of being a misogynist, it simply points out that the words 'man' and 'woman' evolved in the way they did partially because of men being dominant in human society. So while the word's etymology might contain misogynistic elements, that doesn't mean it isn't usually a neutral word in the way it's used in the present day. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 22:07, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you're confusing sexism with misogyny. I highly doubt there was any hatred, mistrust, or contempt for women that went into the word women being the word women. Parogar (talk) 22:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's possible that "misogynistic" isn't the optimal word choice here, but if we fuss about the precise definitions and usage of words while bypassing/ignoring the central issue that women were ranked lower on the social hierarchy than men throughout history, then the point is still being missed. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 22:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay. My bad then Parogar (talk) 22:34, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Being nice
Why is it so cute when you do or say something nice to a girl at school even if you don't know her and it makes her smile? Promote Positivity (talk) 14:54, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, it's just.. nice. It's this certain je ne sais quoi (I can't find a better way to describe it). It should be that way for all people. We should do nice things for and be nice to everyone, because we're all human. Vive Liberté! 15:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)