Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?

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Ken's Latest Sock and Changes to Ace's Talk Archives
Ken's still trying to have a dig at Ace for being a smoker. This time our little underhand chum tried to add an out of context update, the same stuff to a WIGO CP archive, and Ace's talk page archive. Sock blocked and edits reverted, but I'm not sure of the protocol for deleting new edits to archives. Are edits generally allowed, and, Ace, would you prefer that edits to your talk archives are reverted or just to be notified instead? JumboWhales (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


 * RW practice is to deny giving any oxygen to vandals. So, the vandalism was reverted, and the targeted archives were protected indefinitely. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 17:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, that all makes sense. With it being the archives, and a user's one at that, I thought it best to check. JumboWhales (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow - he’s still doing that? That’s powerfully lame. Acei9 19:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Petty, stupid, pointless goonery? - yeah, that's all Ken's boxes checked. Perfect score, no notes. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

HAARP
HAARP, Rob has now settled on HAARP as his latest conspiracy. His "evidence"? A Twitter video which clearly shows explosions/electrical shorts coming from the ground not the sky. Rob, when an earthquake hits substations blow, high tension powerlines come down and the electrical network gets fucked. Acei9 18:02, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rob's wheels are spinning fast - the Chinese are sending balloons up is because the US is heating HAARP up to cause earthquakes because reasons. Acei9 22:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Not to be outdone - Ken suggest the increase in UFO sightings is because more American's are getting into the occult. What a show over there... Acei9 22:14, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Good to see Rob agreeing with Hugo Chavez London Grump OBE (talk) 00:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way Ken - three things. I'm not a "science denier" when it comes to smoking, I am fully cognizant of the risks. Secondly I have quit smoking in the past, I find it remarkably easy - I am happy with smoking at the moment and will quit when I no longer wish to smoke. Usually I quit when I am in a long-term relationship with a non-smoker but currently I am engaged in a couple of casual relationships - one who also smokes and one who doesn't care that I do. Lastly you think American's believing in the occult creates more UFO's? That's just plain stupid. Acei9 21:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This is my last post on the matter. Ken, reading and understanding what has been written is obviously not your strong suit. I am aware of the risks - I know the science. I'm not science denying - I am aware that smoking is a bad habit. Calling me a science denier about this is like calling a skydiver a science denier because they jump out of planes knowing its risky - so by your logic they are denying the science which is gravity. Try harder and look at yourself.
 * Ace got married but had an amicable split up after an 11 year relationship began to tire.
 * Ken, whose greatest achievement in this area is maybe dancing with someone, - "Hahaha you got divorce"
 * Ace has a beautiful 9 year old daughter
 * Ken, who obviously has no one - "Hahaha your daughter is going to be fucked because of co-parenting is bad for children"
 * Ace who holds a series of important jobs in marking, comms, sales and has no interest in using his time to promote atheist websites for free.
 * Ken, who edits a tied old dredge of website for up to 24 hours a day - "Hahaha why is Rationalwiki and other atheist website losing traffic - you suck!"

Do you notice a pattern? You achieve nothing then laugh at the achievements of others. You sad old lonely man. Now I have work to do. We had a cyclone recently, probably something to do with the gays or gods wrath or something I am sure Ken will crow. But I need to set up a Starlink so I can talk to my staff in the region affected. It's interesting. Maybe you should do something with your life Ken... ... though I am keenly aware engaging Ken like this makes me a bit of a sad person too I suppose... Acei9 23:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

WIGO at 14 Green Votes
What's with the WIGO CP votes and the number 14? It seems that someone uses down votes in order to depress the number back to 14 if it gets above that. Seems like a weird thing to do, especially since it's still possible to see the number of up votes by hovering over the votes bar. JumboWhales (talk) 04:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought it was because Conservapedia no longer really attracts any interest outside of a small niche of our userbase, but I may be mistaken. VeeMeow? 02:27, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, CP is a minority interest now, but there’s been a pattern for a while of relatively high votes being voted down until the total up votes equals 14, which happens every week or so. Why, it’s almost as if some “mysterious” and lonely underachiever with an axe to grind is trying to mess with us. How very, very sad… JumboWhales (talk) 05:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Rap Song
Stunning work. I mean. it's hilarious. Good work - not at all childish. Definitely the work of an adult who is sound of mind. But I've taken a new contract so you need to change it up because that isn't my job now so your rap is out of date. I now manage a communications team on a large infrastructure project. Make it happen, dude. A new rap! Acei9 00:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a hard frost where I am, but I read the first few lines of his "song" and my cheeks became so red with embarrassment on Ken's behalf that it actually warmed me up. Thanks Ken, there really is no start to your talents. Instead of more embarrassing attempts at songs why don't you put up a page saying how proud you are that an innocent man got the crap beaten out of him after reading your hate-filled drivel? JumboWhales (talk) 08:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Maize Invented in Germany?
Weird even for Andy, he claims that when the Bible says "corn," it means maize and not just grain. Jesus ate corn on the cob and only atheists deny it. He claims modern research shows it was really Europeans who developed maize (presumably in time for the Last Supper). Of course he cites no such research. Does anyone have any idea what he's going on about? Whoover (talk) 18:47, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * From this source: In Old English, and actually maybe even current British English (you folks across the pond might know better :) ), the word "corn" apparently meant to "any grain with the seed still in it", akin to (a grain of barley) or the, which apply to all grain. Thus, the King James Bible translates the word "dagan" (דָּגָן), which is a generic word for grain in Hebrew, and other similar words into to the word "corn". Americans, of course, know corn specifically as maize and nothing else, so this will not appear in American English focused translations. So this is the Biblical source of the confusion.
 * Now, I have absolutely no idea where the fuck he's getting his Germany and Northern Europe idea from. Corn did not arrive into the "Old World" until the, this is well documented, and I can't even Google any webshites promoting this "actually corn came from north Europe" view. So he either made this up, or there's some really obscure Youtuber / webshite / etc. spewing this shit with (if I had to guess, because what other reason makes sense?) some bizarre "ethnocentric" concerns at the forefront.BobJohnson (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would say that for many people in the UK corn is taken to mean wheat. What the US calls corn (maize) is called sweet corn here in the UK. Oldusgitus (talk) 09:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And even if Andy's utter bollocks were true, how could it be "Biblical scientific foreknowledge"? Jesus eating maize 1,500 years before anyone else in the Old World had ever seen it, well, that would be a fucking miracle. But now Andy's making out that first century Jews eating maize required no "scientific foreknowledge" at all. Stupid cunt. Spud (talk) 10:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And look at what Andy wrote for this revision, "Really?? Plant breeding by American Indians??" Racist cunt. Spud (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The German thing might come from the whole Northern Renaissance / birth of capitalism / protestant work ethic mythos, the one that gave us white Jesus. London Grump OBE (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, possibly. It's essentially blatant racism and it means going over the insane factual errors in those two short paragraphs is pointless. BobJohnson (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What does Andy show to his students during history lessons? This Columbus Day video from The Daily Wire? 18:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a profound and motivated misunderstanding of https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1631069110003045 which includes the finding that strains of maize introduced to Europe post-Columbus include two main types - a warm weather group in southern Europe and a cold-weather group in northern Europe - which have since hybridized/been selected more at their intersection in central Europe and produced new strains. "Independent introductions, hybridization and local selection have shaped new genetic groups specific to European maize. Hence, mid-latitude European materials are now sufficiently divergent from founder gene pools to appear as distinct genetic groups rather than hybrids in clustering analyses."
 * Or from here:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1456379/ "The rest of European material, spread mainly in central and northern Spain, France, and Italy, appeared as a distinct genetic cluster that does not have any counterpart in America. This material appeared as a single European Flint group for inbred lines and as two distinct Pyrenees–Galicia Flint and Italian Flint groups for landraces. This supports the hypothesis of Rebourg et al. (2003) that this material results from the hybridization of populations derived from Tropical and Northern Flint introductions in Europe. " So there's a whiff of truth in that there are European strains that cluster together more tightly to each other than they do to the American strains from which they are descended, but there's not a hint of a whiff of a rumor of a legend that there was any maize anywhere but in the Americas until after Columbus (and all the subsequent exchanges). Plus, ya know, the racism.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

And now his fever dream of sweet Jesus sweet corn gets its own article. Whoover (talk) 07:02, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * So because pigs today usually eat corn, that must mean the Prodigal Son in a 2,000 year old story wanted to eat corn when he said, "Give me what the pigs eat." Sod me! Andy really is a twat. Spud (talk) 08:18, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Andy doesn't read, does he? His newest Counterexample to Evolution cites a paper. The conclusion of the paper is
 * Based on our overall results, we propose the following inferences about maize domestication. First, selection was clearly focused on ear architecture since most of the traits that define ear architecture suffered a loss of heritable variation and ear morphology changed dramatically. Second, the difference in plant architecture is likely a consequence or correlated response to selection on ear architecture to create a less branched plant with fewer, larger ears. Third, because of favorable genetic correlations among most selection targets, ancient farmers had multiple options to select for what a maize ear would become. For instance, EL is positively correlated to GE in teosinte, so selection could have been applied to either trait or even both traits concurrently to speed up the process. Fortunately, the relative differences among plants for these traits are easily observable by eye and do not require modern tools for selection. Last, evolution can proceed despite substantial genetic constraint since selection can be applied on traits that pose the least constraint.

Andy's paraphrase of the conclusion: ''there is no plausible evolutionary path of development for corn. ''Whoover (talk) 02:57, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Selection bias...
...or that CP is in fact that moribound that there's been nothing worth mentioning since Feb? KarmaPolice (talk) 10:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * RationalWiki as a whole is now post-Conservapedia. Those few users who do know what's going on there can't be arsed to update the page. Maybe it's titme to mothball it. Spud (talk) 10:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There's something to be said for that. Plus, I get the general impression that it's basically 'jumped the shark' in a negative way some time ago; ie it sucks, it is stupid and nobody is either surprised or cares anymore. KarmaPolice (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)