User talk:Kels/Archive1

Hey Kels - good to see you. Nice work on cpcolumn - we've got those d-bags on the ropes. --Huey gunna getcha 22:43, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks, Huey. These guys are flyweights, one little jab and they fold up. --Kels 22:49, 21 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Why don't you consider starting a sandbox to work on some of your ideas...you dont have to post them yet. Here, ill get you started..User:Kels/sandboxPalMD 13:16, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks, Doc. I'll probably start putting down some thoughts later in the day. --Kels 13:18, 22 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Here... Happy Shavuot! --PalMD-Talk 20:55, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah, thank you very much. Your research skills are far superior to mine, but I'd be happy to nibble around the edges, as it were.  Would it be all right if I made a minor change here and there? --Kels 20:59, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * s'il te plait, mon amie!--PalMD-Talk 21:06, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Ideas and what not
So we are working on an idea to draw some interested parties to the site, and one of them is to get submit to PZ Meyers blog for his carnival on the new Ken Ham creation museum. If we can get a solid article up and get some press from scienceblogs we will be in good shape. We are brain storming ideas for an article and angel to take, and Pal had the good idea to ask you if you might be willing to produce some line art for the entry? Tmtoulouse 21:54, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Love to. What have you got in mind? --Kels 21:55, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * There in lies the rub, I am not sure yet what direction to take with the article. Let me think on it a bit. We need a somewhat creative take...Tmtoulouse 21:59, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * No doubt, if you're going to stand out in that crowd. Well, I'll bide my time and wait to see what you come up with, then we can talk execution. --Kels 22:01, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

How about a well-written quasi parody of all the BS articles the papers run on CP? You know, the fluffy stuff? EG, my pet beef, everyone quotes ashfly's "My factual edits were deleted within minutes (seconds?)", but nobody asks him what they were! No one ever calls him on the "WP is 57 times more liberal than the US public" either. See how it could be done? That's one idea, running on the CP theme, but, right now, that is our strength, right? As of now, the only "edits" associated with ashfly on WP are his promotion of CP there, which was and is explicitly against their rules (website owner can't write article about it, etc.). perhaps some quote mining of his talk about liberal quotient, where it becomes obvious that he wants a skewed metric? Artwork? How about a sweet caricature of ashfly? In the style of that person who used to draw for the New Yorker? That would kick butt! human be in 22:37, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * You mean the old Jules Feiffer stuff? I think I could credibly do something loose like that, but what sort of hook would we want to use?  Something about denying reality obviously, but what have we got that can really grab people about him? --Kels 22:40, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Him dressed as Josef Stalin, maybe? That's what his hamfisted management style reminds me of. --75.71.78.212 22:44, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * That's a thought, although for some reason I always get stuck on his absolute insistence that the site is doing well and that all the press attention has been a good thing, despite glaring proof to the contrary. But then, if you're a YEC then delusion comes with the territory, eh? --Kels 22:47, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Say, what's the deadline on this thing, anyhow? --Kels 22:49, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Yesterday ;) Image - how about a nero in burning rome, or a naked emporer, or even a wizard of oz, with a "quote" line like "this site is growing rapidly!" while he's chugging Ritalin and waving banishment decrees?  There's some food for thought, at least.  And, yes, I think I meant Feiffer.  Thansk for the link! human be in 22:57, 22 May 2007 (CDT)


 * I love that loose style of Feiffer's, it'll be interesting to see if I can approximate it. I'm liking the Nero one a lot, have we got any decent pics of Andy, or are we stuck with that one of him grinning like Howdy Doody? --Kels 23:05, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Request for Schlafly Quotes
Some examples I happened to have stashed in notepad right now (indents from originals):


 * Colin, there is no incentive for "conservative lies." There is no money to be made (in contrast with abortion and evolution), there is no power to be gained (in contrast with political power), and there are no other rewards. For many conservatives, standing up for the truth ends up getting them ridiculed (e.g., Anita Bryant, Rick Santorum) or crucified (e.g., Jesus). Why would someone lie for such fate? What examples of conservative lies do you have in mind, and what possible incentive could there be for it?--Aschlafly 01:25, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
 * One, it's debatable that Jesus can be claimed as a "conservative" in today's political terms (great debate topic, exists). Two, of course there is money in "conservative lies". I cite Halliburton and Blackwater profiting from teh war in Iraq - hugely. Your future tax dollars at work, sadly. Human 01:28, 24 April 2007 (EDT)


 * Well, OK, you can debate whether Jesus was a "conservative". But his church-going followers are, and many of his followers throughout history were crucified or otherwise tortured and murdered. Why lie for that? Halliburton and the Iraq War are not "conservative". Neoconservative, perhaps, and arguably there is some money in that. But there is no money in conservative principles, and no reason to lie.--Aschlafly 02:06, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

from

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=next&oldid=124383

YEC?


 * We are not a "YEC site" any more than we are wedded to any other position. Hoji excepted, most liberal attempts to label us as a "YEC site" are misguided attempts to smear and discredit us. I suppose I could call Wikipedia a pro-abortion site if I resorted to the same tactics.
 * That said, we don't labor to include all points of view here either. The pro-evolution view is promoted heavily on Wikipedia, and there is little reason to spend (waste?) time on it here. So I see merit in Hoji's objection, but

perhaps for a different reasons. But I'm willing to wait and see what the proposed entry looks like.--Aschlafly 10:52, 24 April 2007 (EDT)"

from

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=next&oldid=124864

question never answered:

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=next&oldid=124042#I_think_we_should_ask_for_donations_like_Wikipedia_does_on_their_front_page.

(see my question re:financing at the end of the section)

You can follow the "next diffs" till the archiving at:

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=next&oldid=125607

These may not be the best, but I wasn't searching for "what you wanted", just saving some random wierdness I was interested in. human be in 12:19, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

No problem, I appreciate it. There's some fun stuff there I can add to my collection. Formatting's a nightmare, though. --Kels 12:27, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Typical end to any debate
 * "...Will you respond to McIntyre’s argument? Or are you unable to do so?--Jamest 11:05, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

James, liberals crave attention and don't mind being deceitful. See Essay:Liberal Behavior on Conservapedia. Whether you are a liberal or not, I observe that you are not willing to be forthright about your views here, so my time is better spent discussing issues with others. Please leave my talk page, which is respected as one's castle here on Conservapedia. See Differences with Wikipedia. Thank you and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 11:25, 25 May 2007 (EDT)"
 * Translation: "I'm taking my ball and I'm goin home!!I hate you!!! This talk page is my castle!  Yours however, is not."Prof0705 11:52, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I saw that one, it's priceless. I tossed it over in Conservapedia:Best of Conservapedia for posterity, although I should add it to my Big List o' Quotes for fun. --Kels 11:54, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

He's said things like this before, but [this http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&curid=2516&diff=186142&oldid=185946] is the purest form I've seen of the idea: "Belief in evolution is really just a dignified way for many to censor expressions of faith (public prayer) in the classroom" --jtl talk 19:32, 1 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Nice catch. This guy's a real piece of work, really.  --Kels 19:43, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

BANN'D
I just looked at CP, and found my IP was banned! By User:TK! Just 20 minutes ago, which would be just after I told him I was never a member of CP, never had any socks, and never was involved in discussions of vandalism. And looking at the block, it appears my IP was blocked for being a sock, although it never had so much as a login attempt. User:TK, you are the funniest thing I've ever seen, don't ever change! HAHAHAHAHAHA --Kels 13:56, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, the Conservapedia sysops are just a group of power obsessed little boys that think dissident is a worthy ban reason. -Icewedge 13:58, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I find it hilarious he banned me as a sock, a whole two minutes after I told him I'd never been on the site in my life. Too funny! --Kels 14:03, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Maybe they should just set a block to *.*.*.*? Save a WHOLE lot of work and time. Cracker
 * Come to think of it, doesn't this serve as proof that people are being banned over there solely due to membership here? --Kels 14:35, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * And going across the internet to find people to block, "just in case" they have funny ideas about going to CP at some point in the future, maybe, to you know, edit things ::shudder::. Cracker 14:38, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * He's pretty fast, though. I posted a reply on his talk page, without realizing I was logged out.  I immediately logged in, changed the signature to what it should have been.  Two minutes later, that same IP was banned.  Amazing, huh?  Strangely, the ban notice came up when I tried to get to the deleted Bisexual page, to see if I could find a diff for why it was deleted.  You have any way of getting that? --Kels 14:59, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Only sysops can see the history on deleted pages. You could ask one of them, I suppose -- I think you have TK's attention, maybe he'll help you out?  Other than that, your only hope is if someone happens to have a cached copy, so you're probably out of luck. --jtl talk 16:04, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * It seems that is exactly the reason most of us were banned, so I spose it does. Funny, right in the middle of his bid for sysop. haha Flippin ;-) 14:40, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * "Bid"? Forgive my french, but he seemed to be demanding it.  There is a sad life lesson in his behaviour so far on RW2 - "wherever you go, there you are." human be in 14:51, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I am inclined to suspend him from here for a while, but what message would that send? No, let's just let him stay and ignore his posturing. Sad, actually. Flippin ;-) 15:04, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Perhaps it would send the message that actions have consequences? TK has been abusing our good nature since he came here, so perhaps it's time we stopped giving him far more latitude than we would give others.  It's up to you guys, but honestly from here it looks like he's playing you for all you're worth. --Kels 15:09, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
 * If he ever deletes somethign I put on his user page - or yells at me for posting there, I will revert and block him for one minute, with a warnin that blocks escalate. The trouble is, as nasty as he gets, he doesn't quite hit my "overt" block trigger, so I just ignore him.  I could already warn/block him for ignorance for asking me if I am ever "nice" on his user page.  But I don't care as long as no one gets beat up by him (ie, they look like they are suffering) and as long as no one starts succumbing to his power tripping.  I'd worry more when new users turn up, what crap will he throw at them? human be in 16:02, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

what i use it for
it means i fear God. how could God fear anything? Godfearingconservative 10:50, 25 May 2007 (CDT)


 * I dunno. If I understood the mind of God, I'd be God, yes? --Kels 10:51, 25 May 2007 (CDT)


 * How can God be omnipotent if he can't fear anything? Even I can do that! --<font face="Monaco,Consolas,Courier New,Courier,Fixed">jtl talk 17:56, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Maybe I am reading too much into it, but the original quote makes it seem that there must be fear on someone's part. "god fearing conservative".  A conservative that fears God because God can't fear anything else.  The statement just comes across to me as making the inference that someone has to be in a state of fear.  Must be sad to have to fear your own gods.  Course, it could be the beers talking.Prof0705 19:21, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Nonsense, beers can't type. Believe me, mine try. --Kels 19:39, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Dunno about beers but wine can certainly type after a certain critical mass. Mebbe you aren't drinking enough! Trashbat 19:49, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Quality over quantity, my friend. A nice locally brewed raspberry wheat beer will keep me company for the evening, methinks. --Kels 19:52, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Quantity AND quality m'dear, Three bottles of D'arenberg makes this bat a happy, errrr, bat. Well, I say "happy". I mean "drunk". Well, I say "drunk", I mean "comatose". Agree that local brew is great. Happily my local brew is Old Rose cider - Usque ad mortem bibendum Trashbat 20:15, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

(<---)

Honestly, I'm not terribly fond of the whole "get drunk" scene. I'd rather nurse a really high quality beer or wine through an evening than just knock them down and stagger around. I've never been fond of how that feels. As to the question of beer writing, that's not so much of a problem. I just wish I could convince it to draw, I've been working on the same strip all day and it still ain't done. --Kels 20:18, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * It's a great antethesis to the whole "get your suit on and do business RAAAAARRR" scene. Then again, Mrs Trashbat prefers me not to! Sadly the last time I tried "beer drawing" I spilt ink on my trousers. Dip pens and booze, just say no! Trashbat 20:27, 25 May 2007 (CDT)


 * I haven't done that sort of business in a while, thank goodness. I traded my secretary role for a much more fulfilling home support worker gig, taking care of the elderly and infirm in the mornings, at home drawing in the afternoons.  It's pretty sweet, thus far, although not the most lucrative. --Kels 20:29, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm currently between contracts (i.e. unemployed) but I'm a management consultant when not wasting time on wikis or making ungodly noise on my geetar. Then again, "downtime" is why I'm a contractor. I look great in a suit (good 'cos it's kind of expected), Mrs Trashbat is the sane one, she's an engineering consultant.. 20:44, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm self-employed, and back on topic, I had a tendency to get blocked at CP on weekends. Without going into too much detail ;) But a nice bottle of single malt is one way to while away a confusing evening. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:00, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Talk to Dr. Pal, he seems to have an odd fascination with getting people unblocked. --Kels 21:02, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Cthulhu
Hehehehe, now would I do a thing like that?! Trashbat 11:09, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

UBX
Oh, woops. Will move. Thanks! --<font color="#000088">ύι<font color="#220066">κι<font color="#550044"> ντ<font color="#770022">ε<font color="#aa0000">ρ π ρ ετ ηρ  woo!
 * Hey Kels, please read my comment at Template_talk:User_Universal_Healthcare. You and MiddleMan are the only people using it so far, I wanted to discuss changig the image. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 18:46, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

I just made User HBC, with your colors (nice!), but using a much more flattering photo ;) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:29, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Hey, thanks. Although I didn't make the original. --Kels 21:33, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
 * No prob. When I seez a good idea, I stealz it!  Hence the "EG" UXB!  So, who did you steal it from?  We should school them to the new version... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:45, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't remember, really. Linus or somebody, one of the original few that were here in 2.0. --Kels 21:52, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Goddammit, you stole it from me! But you will pay.  Oh yes... you will pay.  --Horace 22:09, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Pride at Cp
Something else I noticed that is sort of a pride issue is the inability of CP editors to allow any criticism or the negative history of the US to come to light. I notice that the CP article on democide/genocide does not mention any of the mass murder events in US history. Most notable to me are the Trail of Tears and Indian Removal Act which directly and indirectly caused the deaths of thousand of Native Americans. During the Indian Wars there were many instances of the US gov. exterminating Indian villages, or giving tacit permission to civilians to do the same. The CPers seem to think that to acknowledge anything negative about the nation's actions, past or present, is in some way disrespectful or traitorous. I am a first generation American and I am a veteran. I do believe that this country does have many good qualities, not the least of which is the ability to improve itself. The CPers seem to hold to the axiom of "My counry good or bad". Pride is important, but it should never get in the way of the truth, and it should never never be an obstruction to improvement. Prof0705 13:44, 26 May 2007 (CDT)


 * As an semi-outsider of sorts (Canadians aren't quite separate), I can see good and bad in the US, both in large helpings. The CPers are folks I've seen before, popping up in all sorts of places, and really personified by people like George Bush and the Neocons - never, ever, ever admit you made a mistake, criticism = opposition, everything is about you and thus opposing your causes is opposing you, etc.  I honestly don't know how to get past that sort of mindset, so I come someplace like this, and hopefully we can make some sort of difference. --Kels 13:50, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * It seems like a general feature of conservatives, "we were never wrong". As a Brit I know that there was a lot of bad stuff in the history of our empire.  But what happened, happened - with mixed results. I think that overall there have been many benefits, the expansion of English as a global lingua franca being a major one. It actually gives the world a common language to talk, and as long as we talk rather than bomb the shit out of each other then all to the good.  ("Jaw, jaw beats war, war" - Winston Churchill).  Mad Min 14:12, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I like that one, but Churchill was always good for that sort of stuff. But it really strikes at the difference between people like the ones here at RW, and the wingers like the folks running CP.  Notice how we love to talk, and how we love to debate?  It's not a love of debate but a love to instruct over there.  They all see themselves, collectively and often individually, at the top of the heirarchy.  Reminds me of the poll I read a few years ago that found something like 30% of Americans (possibly more) see themselves in the top 10%. --Kels 14:23, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * There is a tendency for most people to see themselves as above average. This "Duke's" professor laments only handing out above average grades .  No wonder otherwise average people end up  with "magna cum laude".

I think you're all heading towards this phrase: ultra-nationalist Christian fundamentalists ;)--Robledo 14:27, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I think there was a group like that in Europe once. Whatever became of them? --Kels 14:30, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Thankful implosion due to monstrous overreach. Snappy dressers, tho' :) --Robledo 14:35, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I like that poll data. 30% of Americans seeing themselves in the top 10%.  I would think that stems from the history of immigration in America.  It seems that every new wave of immigration brings a new nationality into the country.  As each new wave enters, they essentially become the "bottom of the ladder".  Those that were once the bottom get to go up a step.  Maybe this need to keep going higher up the ladder accounts for so many people clambering for the top 10%.  The stigma associated with immigration still amuses me.  Look over there on the CP page for "Native Americans".  Aschflay is arguing that "Native American" mainly refers to those Americans born in the country as opposed to naturalized citizens.  Now, I have lived along most of the Atlantic Coast, and I have never heard that term used in such a way.  Could this be his bid at differentiating between "them" and "us"?  Myself being a first generation American would never dream of such a thing.  I am an American citizen only because of my birth here, whereas my parents were the ones that had to actually pack up back in the home country, move here, and start allover again.  So who has really earned the title?  Mr. Aschflay who merely had to be born here, or his ancestors who had to do the work?Prof0705 17:14, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * The occasion of the 30% poll was the fact that Bush's big tax cuts were only going to benefit a tiny percentage of the population, but much of the American public thought they were that tiny percent. As I recall, an even greater number expected at some point to be in that top group.  It's by playing on this "We're/I'm the best" mentality that allows a lot of that sort of thing to get passed.
 * As to Schlafly's "Native American" thing, it sounds like he's trying to put himself and his fellow White Christians in the same class as the actual Native Americans, except facing an invasion of Mexicans, rather than Europeans. It's no comparison at all, of course, and enormously offensive, but that's not something that occurs to him, I'd wager.  It's all about portrayals, propaganda in the service of ideology.  The dark side of postmodernism, I figure.  --Kels 17:28, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Unskilled and Unaware of It is an actual academic paper discussing the issues surrounding incompetent peoples' inability to recognize their own incompetence. --<font face="Monaco,Consolas,Courier New,Courier,Fixed">jtl talk 20:27, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I think I've actually heard of that one. Thanks for the link, I'll probably check it out tomorrow, when I'm sober awake. --Kels 20:30, 26 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Famous last words: "But I wore the juice."  McArthur Wheeler, who robbed two banks, dismayed when caught that lemon juice does not make one invisible to video cameras.  Heart  ♥  Gold tx 20:45, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Religion
If you don't mind me asking, what kind of Pagan are you? I have a few friends who are Wiccans, Dianic mostly.


 * It's sort of complicated, as with most Pagans these days, but if I were to categorize I'd say Shamanistic, Celtic-style, with Wiccan and Shambhala Buddhist influences. Solitary practictioner, but I'm not so much into the spells and suchlike, it's more meditative/journey/simple energy sort of stuff.  I read tarot a little too, but I see it as an introspection tool, rather than an actual predictive device. --Kels 17:48, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * In other words, and no depreciation meant, "pagan" these days means "I made up my own religion" - good for you! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 23:16, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, after a fashion. There's a lot of commonalities between the pagan religions, a number of which (Gardenarianism, Asatru, and so forth) that are fairly established and don't have nearly the degree of "made up" as the solitary eclectics.  But still, there are the common features of a nature oriented religion with multiple Gods/Goddesses of varying degrees of definition, belief in reincarnation is common, belief in magick/energy manipulation/spirit travel/etc. are all frequent, if not universal features. --Kels 23:19, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * heh. Gotta love those made-up religions.  I kinda have the same thing going, I was a traditional Mahayanna Buddhist, but then ended up cutting alot of the parts about spirits and such out of my personal devotions.  I still meditate and try to follow the Eight Fold Path, but now kinda follow the religion of science.  Since a big part of your religious beliefs is nature, what do you feel about things like evolution, the big bang, and how it all started?  If you don't mind me asking that is. :)Prof0705 08:30, 27 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, goodness no, I don't mind a bit. I believe we're screwing up the planet, although humans are infinitely adaptable and climate change alone won't do us in as a species.  But a lot of other species will die, a lot of humans will die, and human culture will change dramatically as a result.  The Big Bang and Evolution happened pretty much the way that science describes, not put in motion by God or divine power, but by natural means we may never even guess at in the end, who knows?  What I view as Gods (which is more animist than anything) is that they were created as part of the universe, rather than the generators of it.  To me, they're largely personifications of natural forces, so their "godness" could easily be all my own imagination, but from my point of view the idiom works, so why mess with it? --Kels 09:08, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey you crazy person
It looks like we are the only people still "on" here... if you'd like to chat, email me your phone number or AIM screen name. (I am not hitting on you!) Just, would like to chat, is all. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 23:29, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Bad timing, really. I was just about to turn in.  Maybe next time? --Kels 23:29, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Night night, and thank you.  Yes, I'm sure next time, or the next time... hehe, whenever. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 00:56, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Jesus Dalek
Cool drawing, but why does it have Paul McCartney's eyes? I think he needs them. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 23:24, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
 * You're suggesting that Paul McCartney isn't Jesus? (God was taken.  Damn Clapton) --Kels 07:27, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * No, John Lennon is jesus. Paul is... Paul, of course.  He spread the faith after jesus died, and took over as much of the religion as he could get away with. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 12:12, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, of course. Lenon had the Jesus hair.  At least his version of the church involved a lot of herb. --Kels 12:16, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I think it's time for me to send another love note to Karajou.--PalMD-yada yada 14:59, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I think he's coming on to you, dude. >_> --Kels 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

sysops
Who is a sysop and not an original cabal member? I can't think of anyone. GodlessLiberal 19:17, 30 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Yes, but if there is no cabal, it cannot have members. --Kels 19:18, 30 May 2007 (CDT)


 * There is was a cabal. Just don't tell anyone! GodlessLiberal 19:19, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I will take the non-information to my possible grave. --Kels 19:36, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Le cabale n'existe pas. Vive le cabale! Check special page - users. None, I think. Hoji denies being in the cabal, but we know better. What's cool is we have, like, 4 or 5 CP sysops over here now. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 19:35, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't speak French (yet)! The cabal doesn't exist, maybe? I chose to take Spanish at my high school, but I'm going to take French and German when I get into college. GodlessLiberal 19:39, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

La Cabale n'existe pas! Vive la Cabale! I have never written that before.--PalMD-yada yada 19:41, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm sure you don't even know what it says. --Kels 19:43, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

What what says??--PalMD-yada yada 19:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * MY EYES!!!!!! --Kels 19:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Your eyes say things? Does your mouth see things? --<font face="Monaco,Consolas,Courier New,Courier,Fixed">jtl talk 20:27, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't mock me, I have a condition! --Kels 20:28, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Heheh...wonder what else does what. *dirty old man laugh*Prof0705 06:56, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Do we have to get into the details? --Kels 07:04, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Now my face hurts. You do have talent.Prof0705 07:13, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Pardon me, but you misspelled M4D sKi11Z --Kels 07:16, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Bleh. You young whipper snappers and your odd 1337 speak.Prof0705 07:19, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

No, he didn't. You're declining it wrong - it would be t3h M4D sKi11. Oh, and I consider myself to be a non-cabal sysop, although, of course, if I was, I wouldn't tell you. On that subject, il semblerait que, pour soutenir son 'sysopship', Hoji a m'interdit comme 'chaussete de la Cabale'. Chaussete de quoi, on estime? --<font color="#000088">ויִ<font color="#220066">כִּ<font color="#550044"> נ<font color="#770022">תֶּ<font color="#aa0000">ר ֶפּ רֶ תֵּ ר  שְׁלֹום!
 * Hmm...je ne sais pas, c'est un mystère vrai. --Kels 16:48, 31 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Damn it, speak Spanish or English. GodlessLiberal 16:31, 31 May 2007 (CDT)


 * I'll translate: "It sembles that, for sauteeing his "mad powerZ", Hoji had indicted me like a "dog of the Cabal". Dog or pony, when I could have had a goat?" <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 16:46, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Of course! It's so simple! --Kels 16:48, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Quoi? --<font color="#000088">ויִ<font color="#220066">כִּ<font color="#550044"> נ<font color="#770022">תֶּ<font color="#aa0000">ר ֶפּ רֶ תֵּ ר  שְׁלֹום!

Riez mon cul au loin!--PalMD-yada yada 17:28, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Something about wet loins?Prof0705 18:33, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * JE NE PEUX PAS PARLE FRANÇOIS BIEN! Hooray for free online courses. You all have inspired me to start teaching myself. GodlessLiberal 13:08, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

Quandary
Bohdan wants an infinite block so he can "retire" and spend his energy at CP (where he got sysoped, you will recall). But it just feels wrong. All he has to do, after all, is not come here. I think I'll throw him 24 hours, just to make him feel better. Wondering if honoring his request (if he hasn't asked six other people to do it already!) is appropriate. What do you think, furry one? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 20:13, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmm. Bohdan seems nice enough when he's over here, and the block thing has been sort of a running gag.  But I dunno, it seems a bit weird to me, too.  If I were a sysop, I'd probably deny the request, and leave infiniblocks for actual cases of vandalism and such.  But offer a day, month or whatever if he wants. --Kels 20:15, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Its not weird! (and I'm always nice)Bohdan 20:20, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, I gave him a day. It is basically so completely against our ethos to block for long periods of time (last night's spammer got 24 hours), and even 24 hours seems like it's not a "gag" block, like we play with.  Infinite blocks are pretty much completely against site policy.  Also, remember we are dealing with quote miners here (not Bohdan, but CP, etc.).  Having a ban on a CP sysop out of context is feeding the beast.  Oh well, back tot he lulz and the occasional constructive edit.  Did you write that furry article yet? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 20:37, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I really should. It'll get the bad taste of that same-sex marriage thing with HG out of my mouth. --Kels 20:39, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Listerine does that too.Prof0705 20:40, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm sorry. that was uncalled for.  Don't know what got into me. Godspeed.Prof0705 20:42, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'll be honest, I don't know if I can handle taking part in that debate today. I'm getting too upset, looking at HG's seriously skewed bias, and I have no idea how to argue with that deeply entrenched mindset. --Kels 20:48, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * You can't. I truly believe that you can't debate ideologies, because they are eventually based on belief.  Beliefs can't be debated.Prof0705 20:55, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * It could always be worse. Maybe this will cheer you up.

Let's take the best of it and make an article. same-sex marriage or arguments for same sex marriage. And don't feed the troll until he starts putting energy somewhere else? I left here with same icky taste in my mouth, which is not the big lulz I work so hard here for! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 20:57, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm getting too upset, looking at HG's seriously skewed bias, and I have no idea how to argue with that deeply entrenched mindset. Sorry to upset you.  I am just making a case, one, whether you like it or not, is felt by others.  If I am hurting your feelings personally, I am sorry, that was not the intent.  But without my views, the debate is dead.  Find some other conservatives, and I will tone down my arguments.  But I do want to remind you that on talk pages at WP, creationists, fundementalists, have to put up with this too.  (I have to put up with it here, as well, but I have a thick skin, as long as it doesn't get personal.)  I asure you, however, that I do have friends who are gay, and while we often disagree (but less than you might think--they are not typical liberals, so, for example, I know some who do not support gay adoption on an equal basis--they take more of the Dr. Laura approach, that the preference should be placing children in a home with a man and a woman, all other things being equal) we are friends.  Anyway, Kels, sorry if some of my arguments seem directed at you....I did pick on Canada a little bit regarding censorship, but they deserve it.  I pick on the United States too from time to time, if that is any consolation.  Heart  ♥  Gold tx 20:57, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'll be honest Heart, it's not so much you per se as much as it is me. I'm hardly a professional debater, and I look at a lot of what you put down and I know it's directly counter to my own experience and the experience of others.  And a better debater would probably be able to communicate that well, even in the face of the bias that you put up.  But I can't, even though I know the refutations are there, and that leads to frustration.
 * Oh, and as I mentioned before human, there's already a same-sex marriage article. --Kels 21:11, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Kels, delete that horrid picture! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:07, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I didn't put the damn thing there. Prof did.  But I'll take it out. --Kels 21:11, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I know, thanks for getting rid of it. Yeah, I'd seen same-sex marriage and forgot. Anyways... baby, baby, where did the lulz go? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:15, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Frustration makes unhappiness, not lulz. --Kels 21:16, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Ill send some e-hugs or some e-xanax. Or maybe just an e-club you can use on the opposition.  On a happy note, I made a substantive edit, and DocSock added some great new recipes...slow night at the clinic.--PalMD-yada yada 21:21, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay Kels. While Prof did put up the image you took down, he also did offer some wise advice regarding beliefs.  Consider it.  (Though I think you can influence others' beliefs, one rarely witnesses an immediate effect.)  I am still trying to figure out what lulz is.  Heart  ♥  Gold tx 21:22, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

I honestly can't read that whole damned article, but it just keeps going and going.--PalMD-yada yada 21:41, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I have to keep myself from going to the new additions on it. I'm having a bad hormone night, it seems, and that wouldn't help any. --Kels 21:42, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Hands you a magic happy pill wrapped in colorful Sunday comics...--PalMD-yada yada 21:44, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry about the image. IT was supposed to be a cheap laugh.  Just go drink a nice Canadian(?) beer and chillax.Prof0705 21:45, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

You're a woman, don't you understand how people gang up on you?

 * Why does everyone here refuse to follow their own rules? Why don't you accede to my reasonable demands?  Why are you all so confused about how to follow rules? Make me a sysop!  Bet you thought this was someone else. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 21:57, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

It's because "you" suck. --Kels 21:58, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Check out my last half dozen edits ;) And, yes, "I" suck monkey nuts. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human <font color="#00AA00">be in 22:00, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Is that legal?--PalMD-yada yada 22:02, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Not in Wyoming. --Kels 22:04, 1 June 2007 (CDT)