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Doublethink (aka "Tabula Rasa")
There seems to be a dispute between and  that I`m not terribly versed in. gave a perma-ban, but I think that was uncalled for in lieu of there being no involvement with the Mob on this. Thoughts? Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It is weird indeed since Tabula Rasa is a verified sock of Doublethink, and was given Sysop rights on that basis. Come clean and straighten this out. Bongolian (talk) 21:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed he blocked me because of a dispute taking place on the affirmative action page you can check out the fossil history if you like. I think that block was unfair because the only reason he gave was me being a fuc*ing pest. I think that was uncalled for and a rude attempt at stoping me from making that article better. It was clearly biased against a more centrist view point and called all criticisms of affirmative actions straw men. Tabula Rasa (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Apparently is conflicting with  over "low-quality" edits or some such. I don't know, and to be frank, I have a migraine right now so I don't really care. My purpose is to serve as the gadfly provoking the Mob into action, I am the torchbearer, nothing more. Now it's up to the Mob to take it from here. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out that I changed a few things none of which were factually incorect or meant as a troll. Those were my honest thoughts on how to improve such an article. I might have been willing to allow Matty to undo my edits if he had a real reason. However he just gave me "Stop making pointless fucking edits to articles (Affirmative action) that, far from improving them, diminish their quality. --MtDBogan 20:17, 14 December 2018 (UTC)" which gives no evidence as to the pointlessness or the inaccuracies of my edits. Tabula Rasa (talk) 21:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * DT/TR, we're you going for a pro-centrist or a pro-rightwing veiwpoint? Because those two things are not the same, nor are they nessarily correct. 21:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * @GrammarCommie more centrist as I am just saying that maybe all criticism isn't just straw man and "White People never had a problem with Affirmative action when it favored them" to be very problematic. Tabula Rasa (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I have no personal grudge against User:Doublethink. Check the interactions between us. For whatever reason he was made a sysop and proceeded to wield the tools like a spastic with a chainsaw. He was pulled up a couple of times and then did a LANCB, created a sock account (User:Tabula Rasa) which he then demoted.

Fine. Whatevs.

Fast-forward to today he made almost certainly trollish edits to Affirmative action without recourse to the talkpage. When he persisted in this course of action, I blocked him for 9 hours. He has since unblocked himself because User:Bongolian re-opped his new account. My personal view is that he shouldn't have ops because he's, on the most generous assessment, little more than a pest. Nevertheless, in line with Rationalwiki convention, I will defer to the mob. -- MtD Bogan   21:53, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Behold my "almost certainly trollish edits" https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Affirmative_action&diff=prev&oldid=2022068 Also I LANCB that account because I wanted to change names I admitted Tabula Rasa was a sock I was transferring to when asked. Tabula Rasa (talk) 21:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Then the blame falls squarely on me. I was the one who made him a sysop, I took a look at his edits and thought he qualified. Apparently not everyone can handle the POWER of the Mop. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I neglected to add above that I unilaterally promoted his original User:Doublethink account. Apologies for the omission. -- MtD Bogan   22:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * So I`m involved in this mess now too, great. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Since you're our resident gadfly, might I remind you that you're the one who bought it here? Sometimes he who stirs the shit is made to lick the spoon. -- MtD Bogan   22:17, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to put that on my resume. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 22:52, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * There's hope for you yet. -- MtD Bogan   22:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Shit-stirrers serve a useful purpose. To paraphrase Socrates, sometimes in order to bring light to things that would otherwise be left in the dark, one must push people to shine the light in the first place, how we do it may piss people off, but it serves its purpose. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * And here we are. Blinking in the harsh light of What the Fuck. Can we get this thing done? Or not, it's all good. -- MtD Bogan   23:09, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I personally don't think the edits I put where factually incorrect seeing as many agree with me. I also see the language Matty used as inappropriate as a reason to undo my edits and ban me. However if the mob sees fit to promote me, I shall accept it. Just please look at the edit Matty sees as trollish and decide for yourself. Tabula Rasa (talk) 22:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course ryou flipping don't, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue. Calm the fuck down long enough for me to get to my mothershagging computer. 22:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Personally I think the edits count as "trolling". Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was just trying to get across that some people have semi real problems with affirmative action. Tabula Rasa (talk) 22:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the wikipedia article, the criticisms are similar to what I was trying to do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action?scrlybrkr=67e98caa#Criticism. Tabula Rasa (talk) 22:16, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Flipping wait. 22:20, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sometimes profanity is actually called for, IMHO. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 22:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok, now that I'm at my computer I can share a few pieces of information. 22:32, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This is Tabula Rasa's initial edit, followed by MtD's initial reversion. That in turn was followed by this edit (which Tabula Rasa linked above), which was then followed by a second reversion. That was then followed by two edits and finally the third reversion. Everyone on the same page now? If so, good. If not, catch up. 22:39, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yup, seems MtD is in the right. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 22:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * What was incorrect about my edits? Was there some kind of process I forgot about? Tabula Rasa (talk) 22:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. No talk-page discussion.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This was not originally told to me here. What will be my fate then? Banning? Tabula Rasa (talk) 23:12, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't flippin edit war, blah blah blah... Go and sin no more my child. Ramen, blah blah blah. 23:13, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I will reban myself for 8 hours as I unbanned myself to talk here.I apologize to Matty for my actions and words. Tabula Rasa (talk) 23:14, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm happy with all of this, plus I would ask the mob to revoke User:Tabula Rasa's sysop rights. -- MtD Bogan   23:17, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I would vote for temporarily suspending Sysop rights, given that there was no direct abuse of mops involved in this mess. 23:19, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Life is too short for this shit. The bloke's a mong and you can tell that from his history, but do as you will.-- MtD Bogan   23:24, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * So have we reached a consensus or not? Let's sacrifice a few goats while we're at it to make it official. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 23:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Pathetic. Just do it. -- MtD Bogan   23:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This is not worthy of permabanning or permanent desysopping of Don Juan., you shouldn't be making ad hominem attacks against fellow-editors here ("mong"), and you over-reacted with the permaban. Temporary suspension of Sysop rights of Don Juan is acceptable. Bongolian (talk) 23:38, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't permaban anyone, so stick that up your dot. We're not talking about User:Don Juan rather Doublethink. -- MtD Bogan   23:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Check my post detailing the incident in question if you're confused. 23:46, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

My apologies about the false accusation of permabanning,. I was confused. Bongolian (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Have we reached a consensus, yet, or no? The tentative consensus seems to be temporary promoting of Tabula Rasa, but I recommend letting him keep his "Autopatrolled" status, if only as a courtesy. Pending approval of the Mob, of course. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 23:54, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Anyways, I`m calling it a night. Will hold my feet to the fire in the morning. Night, y'all. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 00:00, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That User:Tabula Rasa is a sockpuppet of Doublethink, he is restricted to one account which may not be promoted above autopatrolled unless the COOP agrees. And so on and so forth. -- MtD Bogan   00:03, 15 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I blocked Doublethink's original account in accordance with their decision to retire that account and continue on the wiki as Tabula Rasa. It's not a 'permaban' and Doublethink can unblock themselves should they want to return to that account. 12:16, 15 December 2018 (UTC)