Talk:Objective: Ministries

I would argue the use of CP is appropriate here, esp. given the relationship of the Lenski affair and RW. steriletalk 03:28, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, reverting Тай говорить 03:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Citation desperately needed.
What makes you say this is a Poe? Unlike Landover Baptist, this website doesn't have some secret spoiler which says it's fictional. Things like Project Pterosaur are pretty nutty, but creationists are by definition nutty, so that doesn't really convince me. The fact that they're gathering money for Project Pterosaur is also surprising. If it wasn't real, then I would expect the government to shut the website down for being a scam to trick creationists out of their money. I think it adds up to that Objective Ministries is real. Could somebody please provide me with an explanation as to why they think it is a parody? Until then, let's not make unfounded claims. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 17:42, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a parody. It's one of the better known ones. Scarlet A.pngnarchist 18:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Zounds, with "Pastor Skeet" among other things, The BUILD A GIANT CROSS IN SPACE!" project and the tack a giant banner saying god onto the flag project. --il&#39;Dictator Mikal (talk) 18:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * War with Landover Scarlet A.pngbomination 18:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Looked through all of those, but it still doesn't indicate it's a parody. I looked at the Christian rock thing, but didn't see any indication of it being a parody. We're pretty close, if not already at, the point of privately-funded space travel, and I'm sure you're familiar with fundies claiming America's a Christian nation. There's already the Christian flag, and this version of the American flag isn't really that different. I've read the Landover Baptist shutdown objective, and it can be explained without claiming it's a parody. Please, if there is a notice like Landover has in the ToS, link it to me and tell me where it is on the page so I don't have to waste time looking for a needle in a haystack when I'm not wholly convinced the needle's even there. I'm changing it back until you provide the indication. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 18:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Now I'm just going to call Poe on you. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 18:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * WTF is that supposed to mean??? I think Poes are counterproductive: fundie websites and parody websites are indistinguishable, as per Poe's Law. The energy expended to make parody websites would be better spent simply attacking fundies "conventionally". What you said is also kind of an ad hominem right there: you say something about me rather than answering my questions. Please, either show me the evidence or put up with it. I wish it was a parody, but I am compelled to believe by the evidence I have put forth that it is real. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As in, I have trouble believing that anyone would seriously think that Objective Ministries is real once the most absurd parts are pointed out. You know, like the flag and the Lol Jesus thing, and the law with Landover, and then the entire 4Kidz section. It's parody. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 18:55, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * But do you seriously think the site itself is going to have a disclaimer hidden somewhere saying "actually guys, this is just lols"? Scarlet A.pngbomination 18:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Really, this shows why your are still a kid, you are just too gullible. I've put up a few parody sites in my time and can say that this is definitely a spoof. 18:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's for real then there should be some kind of material elsewhere online documenting the existence of the people on its members page. I'd be particularly interested to learn more about Jack Holgroth, who "enjoys vexillology and can signal Bible passages from memory in fluent semaphore." Balaam (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This page gives the game away more than most, but ithe site hasn't been updated for a while which shows that they have got bored with the project, a real site would still be plugging at it. 19:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Jim Carlson, Dr. Andrew Miller, Peggy Miller, Timothy Allmon, Dr. Richard Paley, Dr. Troy Franklin, "Diamond" Jack Holgroth, Wendy Tullar, Kyle Goldman, Fred "Skeet" Hoskins. Prove they exist. I figured it just from the games page, it was to over the top --il&#39;Dictator Mikal (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's see, Carlson served as a senator and has his own Wikipedia article and Facebook account. I found Dr. Paley on vitals.com. Need I go on? These people aren't made up. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 19:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Jim Carlson the former senator is a Democrat who looks nothing like the Jim Carlson pictured on the Objective site. I looked up Richard Paley on Vitals, and there's no indication of any religious connection (nor does the Objective site identify him as a medical doctor). These are people who just happen to have the same names as Objective's made-up crew. Balaam (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do them all, and give definitive proof beyond "LOOK THAT NAME IS REAL!"--il&#39;Dictator Mikal (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, you've got me. You've got me. I'm sorry. See? I admit that I'm wrong. I'm not going to just stick to a lost cause. You may think it was lost earlier or from the start, but please. I really want to be good on here. How can I do that?
 * Check out Poe's Law. Sometimes it can be hard to be skeptical, especially if it confirms your own preconceptions. 19:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. Please teach me how to avoid these pitfalls, and how to avoid embarrassments like Eve, Korea, and this. I want to help on this wiki. Please help me be good. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 19:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)