Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive101

Bible thing
Does anyone know where the thing on CP that makes Bible verses appear when moused over comes from? (and as an aside, where can I get a list of MediaWiki pages on this site, out of curiosity)  Phantom Hoover  17:21, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Mediawiki namespace: http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=8  ħ uman  17:24, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * That's only the ones that have been edited. The full list is here. (I think that's it, anyhow.) Toast 17:34, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think Toast is right about the location of "all" of them. Warning, it's a large file, and finding what you want can be tough.  ħ uman  18:01, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Boycott?
Are we doing this thing? Xmas begins in 75 minutes (where I am at least) so we needs to decides.  w assaiLOId ~ 17:46, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * I would agree, it's 71 minutes where I am. Lets see how CP's traffic changes when our boycott is combined with legions of people at home: it could be an interesting experiment.  Phantom Hoover  17:51, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Cripes, we've done this so many bloody times in the past, and all it accomplishes is people bored because they're not allowed to publicly laugh at the clowns. I'm kinda sick of boycotts at the moment. --Kels 17:59, 24 December 2008 (EST)

boycotts at the moment. --Kels 17:59, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Kels, you ignorant slut...! Anyway, she's sort of right.  I always likes me a boycott because it clears my sinuses and colon of CP-residue.  However, we've never seen a measurable effect on CP's traffic (probably because most of the trolls and vandals there either don't care, or aren't us anyway), and the last one knocked RW traffic down by 50% (I guess talk/WIGO CP has a lot of fans, and a quick look at recent changes makes that obvious).  What we really need to do is figure out a way to get them to run another Kontest.  Those are highly amusing.  ħ uman  18:06, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andy mentioned them recently and didn't seem all that enthused by the contest experience (Don't ask for a link, it was a few days ago), so I doubt they'll ever come back (unless my secret plan ever happens, which it won't). Totnesmartin 18:15, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * What has HSmom in a corset and black boots got to do with Andy running contests? Or is that a different plan? --Kels 18:17, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Erm... a very different plan! Totnesmartin 18:20, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Bob's yer uncle, then. *taps nose* --Kels 18:40, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Agree with Kels. Toast 18:03, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Agree with Toast. Totnesmartin 18:05, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Agree with Totnesmartin. And Human's on to something about the whole "ignorant slut" thing... --Kels 18:08, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * I agree with my tray of cookies. *yes, I'm getting to that* Anyone want one? They're not laced or anything. Oh, and happy whatever holiday this would be for all of you. --Irrational Atheist 18:12, 24 December 2008 (EST)[[Image:Cookie half.jpg|thumb|200px|right|oops, started without you Kels. Have what's left]]
 * Happy solstice in My and Kels's case, but that was last weekend. Totnesmartin 18:17, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Cookies would be nice in any case. ^^ --Kels 18:18, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * It looks like boycott is off then. Fair enough. My main reasons for suggesting it is I recently got banhammered & feel like staying away, plus there seems to have been enough drama at RW recently to keep us going withpout CP. . . . Anyway, a cookie would be nice, thanks Irrational Atheist. I'm about to make some Christmas flapjacks myself. Happy Xmas or equivalent non-denominational holiday, y'all.  w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 18:19, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * I agree with Marvin.  Phantom Hoover  18:21, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Hey Tim...
TK is making you his bitch. He called you a vandal in the edit summary. It's time for you to nut up and tell Andy: "Him or me." PFoster 22:25, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Tim, he's calling you a "child." Don't let him do you that way. PFoster 00:35, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I can understand what he calls me. --CPAdmin1 00:37, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * (EC) Wow, it's an all-out war with fucked up rules. Tim, have a cookie, or at least half a cookie.  And have another half cookie to dry out and pound down TK's throat.
 * You know, TK is a funny guy on the internet, as long as he's on a site you hate... But still, there is being a bit different than us, say, and there's being a professional prick.  ħ uman  00:39, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Just remember, Tim, the guy who runs the whole site has full confidence in the guy who treats you like this. Is it really somewhere you're enjoying being at? --Kels 01:03, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * If he has full confidence, then why hasn't he made TK a sysop? --CPAdmin1 01:06, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I guess you're determined, then. So what happens when, and I give it a week at the outside, TK does become a sysop? --Kels 01:11, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * (EC) Because he doesn't need to. TK pretty much "assumed" he was a sysop/"senior administrator" from the day he returned.  And his "rights" list pretty much = sysop, doesn't it?  More evidence of full confidence: Andy hasn't interfered at all in TK's pretty much taking over how the site is run, as long as Andy gets to make his cocoa edits and write his Sunday Rants.  ħ uman  01:12, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yup, just took a look at the user rights, and TK's got block, (night) edit, Siteadmin, upload and checkuser, only thing he doesn't have is Administrator, which I doubt does much more than what's listed. TK has taken it upon himself to intercede in place of Andy all over the site, including Andy's talk page, and Andy's been totally fine with it, even approving.  So how 'bout you answer the question again, with TK, Bugler, RW and the crew running around over there, and Andy's "all smears all the time" style being placed right up front, is this a place you're enjoying and are proud of? --Kels 01:17, 25 December 2008 (EST)

(UNDENT) -- or, in other words, why do you continue to work for free for a man who shows you little public appreciation and lets a bunch of mean-hearted people bully you around? PFoster 01:28, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'll make my own decisions about when to contribute and when not to contribute, and I'd appreciate it if you guys leave the topic alone. Thanks. --CPAdmin1 03:47, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Tim's always been his own man. He does what's best for him. He's never been "one of us" so as long as he sees value in staying there, even just as a moderating influence, then good luck to him. Генгис    04:51, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'd appreciate it if you guys leave the topic alone... Fat chance. I think we should keep poking it with a stick....PFoster 10:42, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Come on now: Christmas Day truce & all that, please gentlemen. And what better Christmas present than the gift of blubber!   w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 10:46, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Heh!:
 * Poking stick:A stick, about 30cm long, that can be concealed up a sleeve, and can be used to 'poke' people who argue with you/irritate you/don't like the music you do/deserve poking/don't deserve poking but you poke anyway/anyone in the hope of enraging them/making them move/injuring them/anything. An incredibly versatile human management tool
 * (urban dictionary.) Fortinbrass 10:52, 25 December 2008 (EST)

UNDENT. Christmas Day truce & all that Not a Christian; it's just another day...sorry. PFoster 10:59, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Not Christian either, but Tim is. Honestly, I wasn't trying to convince him of anything, just to take a look at the situation objectively and ask himself that question.  Tim will do what his conscience dictates, that's a given, but is he hearing his conscience at this point?  That's something he's going to have to deal with. --Kels 11:12, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * You gotta give Tim a lot of respect for sticking to his guns and letting his conscience be his guide, and not allowing himself to be intimidated and run off by TK as so many others have been (Fox, HelpJazz, PJR, and many more) he shows a lot of backbone, hope he won't crack. *leaving the topic alone now* 193.200.150.152 13:08, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I give Tim all the credit in the world for turning the other cheek and being his own man. Here's the rub: Tim deserves far better than he's receiving from Andy and TK.  I respect Tim, despite disagreeing with him, and I know he would be better served by sysoping somewhere that he would actually be appreciated and not subject to backbiting and ridiculous gamesmanship.  I just hope that when the time comes that Tim leaves on his own terms with his head held high.  Stile4aly 14:59, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yep, agree with that - Tim is the kind of Christian that gives Christianity a good name. Thing is, for some reason best known to himself, he's spending his time editing a wiki blog run by, and almost exclusively populated by the kind of Christian that gives Christianity a very bad name. Zmidponk 11:50, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Believing that the universe is only 6000 years old and that sex outside of the church's say so is morally wrong gives Christianity a good name? PFoster 11:55, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I don't believe in any "church's say so." --CPAdmin1 14:05, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's not so much what Tim believes, but how he puts it forth - in a way that fails to discourage discussion and debate, and in a manner that suggests he has good reasons for believing what he does, and if others find those reasons somewhat flawed, he will think them misguided, but that is all. Assfly, et al, put forth what they believe in a tone that basically says, 'THIS IS LAW!!!  NO QUESTIONING ALLOWED!!!!  IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU ARE THE BASTARD SON OF SATAN AND ADOLPH HITLER!!!!!' Zmidponk 14:14, 26 December 2008 (EST)

UNDENT "I don't believe in any 'church's say so.'" Marriage is the church's say-so. PFoster 16:11, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Bible Retranslation Project
This is completely insane. What on earth is going on in that guy's mind? Not retranslating the Bible from the original ancient texts, but translating existing English translations into slightly different English, because the meanings of words like "word", "grace" and "government" have apparently changed so much in the last thirty-odd years since the NIV was published. The crazy ramblings in the opening paragraphs are also priceless.  w assaiLOId ~ 13:48, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's about putting teh special Schlafly spin onto things. Teh Assfly wants to rewrite the Bible in a more Conservative Republican way. Proxima Centauri 13:54, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, has the word "word" actually changed at all in that time? A word is a unit of speech, it has been for a very long time.  "Word" on its own has never meant "holy speech", the way Bishop Schlafly seems to think.  Of course, we're talking about a guy who barely knows English, let alone translating anything into it. --Kels 14:21, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Of course it hasn't changed, but Andy wants the Bible to say "In the beginning was the Truth, and the Truth was with God, and the Truth was God." It ties in with his whole 'no relativism' thing & his ideas about absolute truth (2+2=4, autumn foliage is beautiful, deny this & lose credibility).  w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 14:29, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * The weird thing is, his suggestion takes the language further from the original language. --Kels 14:38, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Actually he is referring to the original greek. Look it up. --CPAdmin1 14:26, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Barely. Other than the word logos, he doesn't mention any Greek at all, and opens by saying that the reason for the project is that "a modern language changes and devolves quickly".  All the text is about changes to modern English, not new readings of ancient languages.   w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 14:34, 25 December 2008 (EST)


 * (EC x 2)"In ordinary, non-technical Greek, logos had two overlapping meanings. One meaning referred to an instance of speaking: "sentence, saying, oration"; the other meaning was the antithesis of ergon ("action" or "work"), which was commonplace. Despite the conventional translation as "word", it is not used for a word in the grammatical sense; instead, the term lexis is used. However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb λέγω. It also means the inward intention underlying the speech act: "hypothesis, thought, grounds for belief or action."
 * That the original greek you had in mind? --Kels 14:35, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, he should translate it to "intention"...  ħ uman  14:48, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Logos: "(from lego: to speak) Intelligence, a word as the expression of that intelligence." THere is more to it than just "word."  That said, I don't have a problem with it being translated as word. --CPAdmin1 15:12, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Spake the Andy: "As a first step to the Bible Retranslation Project, it is useful to identify modern terms having changing, unclear or altered meaning, which appear in important passages in translations of the Bible into the corresponding modern language". Andy is talking about modern words that have changed their meaning. "Word" and "government" have changed their meaning very little, if at all, since they first appeared in the English language, contradicting Andy's clear statement. This is less about translation (which he wouldn't be able to do anyway, not knowing the languages) and more about pushing his so-called "conservative" ideology. --Kels 14:46, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * ??? He's writing his own Bible translation?! If his mother weren't who she is, I'd say he were a more obvious parodist than Bugler. I think his delusions of grandeur have finally blossomed into full blown megalomania. There is no more Andrew Schlafly. The man has been devoured by the caricature. Only teh assfly remains. To Tim: surely you're not defending this lunacy? Or am I misunderstanding the intention of your post? -- 15:19, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm not in favor of a bible retranslation project. I was pointing out that there actually was a meaning to the Greek word Logos beyond that of "word."  Some were saying that Andy was basing his idea on just the english and I was pointing out that there is some basis in the Greek. --CPAdmin1 15:22, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Wow, I am gobsmacked. I don't look at RW for 30 hrs and I come back and Andy is retranslating the bible. It must have been a ripping Christmas morning sermon that he came back and by mid-day he was hard at work. I have nothing to say. Andy has finally done something I can not even being to comprehend.- User   21:19, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * He lost me at making 🇰🇪 a sysop. --Kels 21:23, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Maybe he got the idea from us, only 15 months delayed. -- 23:57, 25 December 2008 (EST)

The word for 'logos'
I've got some ancient greek philosophy background... So here goes. The word 'logos' refers to the animating principle of the universe and the reason that it is that way. It is logos that lets us understand language. It is through logos that we understand the universe. The best single word translation of 'logos' in my opinion is 'reason'. Logos was most important to the stoic philosophers. It was reason that let you understand that things being bad today where not necessarily bad tomorrow (a big oversimplification). From Heraclitus: This LOGOS holds always but humans always prove unable to understand it, both before hearing it and when they have first heard it. For though all things come to be in accordance with this LOGOS, humans are like the inexperienced when they experience such words and deeds as I set out, distinguishing each in accordance with its nature and saying how it is. But other people fail to notice what they do when awake, just as they forget what they do while asleep. From Aristotle: Data is hard to manipulate, so it is harder to argue against a logos argument.

One school of thought with the gospels is that each was intended for a different audience. For example, Matthew puts extensive emphasis on the fulfillment of prophecies. John is thought to be intended for the greek intellectuals - who have an understanding of logos. The gospel of John starts out trying to equate stoic philosophy with Christianity and then going from there. --Shagie 15:37, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * For bonus points, here is a link to the Strong's number for Logos and its various definitions. --Shagie 15:48, 25 December 2008 (EST)


 * Andy seems offended that the same word is used to translate logos that's also used to cover ordinary speech, and can be used for "impure" speech (lies, etc.) as well as "pure" (the Word of God), but very little of that link suggests that it has to be "pure". In fact, most of those definitions just refer to speech, and the intent that motivates speech, rather than any judgement on lie or truth. --Kels 16:04, 25 December 2008 (EST)


 * Wait, wait--I come home from a nice long walk in the sunshine and find out the Andy Schlafly now considers himself a Biblical scholar and possessing the necessary historical, linguistic and etymological skills in order to re-translate the Bible? AND he's going to do it in public where people can call him on his basic incompetence and hubris? Oh, Santa Claus, this is the best Christmas EVER !!!!! PFoster 16:23, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Satan Santa loves us. -- 17:26, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I would love to see Ephesians 5:6 translated with 'truth' for 'logos' - "Let no man deceive you with vain words (logos): for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience." Or 2 Corinthians 10:10 - "For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech (logos) contemptible." --Shagie 17:02, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wait, what? --Kels 17:32, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'd love to go over there and point to this, but I'm trying to keep my sock clean. PS: Wait, he actually thinks that the PRIMARY definition of word is not that of a unit of speech? -- 17:38, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * If you use a proxy to point that out you ruin that proxy for the rest of us. After Christmas you can always make a trip to a nice Internet cafe that you won't use again.  You can make a special sockie there and put in what you want. Proxima Centauri 10:17, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think he's making it up as he goes by this point. From what he says, it looks like he thinks that at the time the first English translations were done, "totally truthful command" was the only definition, and that language has been "devolving" ever since. --Kels 17:42, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andrew Schlafly: Lawyer, engineer, teacher, historian, grammarian, statistician, biologist, mathematician, physicist, Biblical scholar, and now...linguist. A true polymath. Am I missing any? -- 18:26, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Rest assured, if you missed one/any fields, he's an expert in them. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:11, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Don't forget expert in American, British, Austrialian, New Zealand, Swiss, Irish, Scottish and Canadian politics (something tells me I'm missing another one... French maybe) <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  19:40, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * A true Renaissance man, although the Dark ages suit him better. --Kels 18:37, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * It does make one wonder what the hell his midnight mass sermon was about? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:09, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, Uncle Ed still leads his boss with morris dancer and soldier.  Lily Ta, wack! 03:39, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Good heavens, does Andy make any sense to himself any more? Because he's gone way beyond anything I'd consider sane. --Kels 23:45, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * He keeps talking about the English language "devolving". Does he even understand what the word means, or is he just avoiding the bad word (evolution)?  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 09:27, 26 December 2008 (EST)

See Hubris. Toast 10:21, 26 December 2008 (EST)

replace "government" with "kingdom"
WTF? The man is truly certifiable. Why not just call it "The Dictatorship of the Manger Borne Proletariat"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:26, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * when you consider the underlying assumption, that people are completely unable to think in the abstract (government as the method or process of governing) rather than simply the concrete (government as a body of old white guys who make the decisions) it begins to seem even more insane. Perhaps this is simply projection, since the Assfly seems to have no ability to form mental abstractions whatsoever. --JeevesMkII 00:40, 26 December 2008 (EST)

The lulz keep coming
From the talk page: "BRichtigen, with all due respect, the greatest works throughout history have been produced by teenagers like my students. Moreover, many of my students likely have a better command of history and linguistics than you do." Based on what, Andy, their half-arsed, poorly written, badly spelled answers? --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:09, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * "BRichtigen, you're welcome to start a list of the greatest works in history, but I'm confident most will be accomplished by people who were teenagers." WTF? I known he's harped on that before...but still. Where does he even get this idea? -- 18:58, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andy doesn't seem to realize that everyone already realizes he's making it up. --Kels 19:00, 26 December 2008 (EST)

More translation fun
Moved to Conservapedia Talk:Bible rewriting project

Remind anyone?
Smith Schlafly began to gather a religious following after announcing that an angel had shown him a set of golden plates describing a visit of Jesus to the indigenous worthy peoples of the Americas. In 1830 2009, Smith Schlafly published what he said was a translation of these plates as the Book of Mormon Schlafly. Toast 19:07, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Overboard
Seriously, I thought I had rebuilt my irony meter to withstand this sort of thing.

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bible_Retranslation_Project&diff=next&oldid=594807

"replace "rich" with "miserly" or "idle miser" "

I am gobsmacked, for the first time in a long while.

We all know that the Assdiot does not really have an "internal life" - he is not reflective, etc. - but this edit (which only "improves" his previous asinationsmade up word, it makes sense) just places it in stark contrast. Black and white, as he would have it. "unproductive, self-absorbed people who inherit wealth" is a frickin classic coming from the gee, "unproductive, self-absorbed middle-aged man who might inherit wealth"? AAAAAAArrrggghh I need to go bang my head against Three's Company to get over the pain. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:26, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Badger Badger Badger
Those of you familiar with The One Internet Viral to Rule Them All will love the badgertastic inclusion of the Badger in the list of words requiring retranslation in the Bibble. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  20:25, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, oh. Can anyone think of an instance of "mushroom" and "snake" that need retranslating in the bible? --JeevesMkII 00:07, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * You pig. Children read this site!!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:32, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Broken "img" links
Is someone doing this manually? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:41, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I did for the last one, I was imitating the one below. My mistake, I guess. --Kels 14:47, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think the only problem is that the "subsequent" images (the red ones) either don't exist or are misnamed. Once "img=on" is in there, the program automatically makes an img tag for every link in the wigo, with an ascending number naming scheme. It's no big deal, at least we are doing something in imgbot's absence. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:50, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, just adding "img="on"" was all I did, I didn't actually put an image tag in the text itself. --Kels 14:51, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Then I guess it comes from updating WIGOs after they've already been botted. The TK 'season of goodwill' one originally just had one link on it but I added others. It might explain why those links have a red img tag.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 14:53, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Right Kels. Putting "img=on" in the wigo tag automatically generates "img" links for every CP link.  At Viesel, that probably makes sense... with one exception, and that is that imgbot automatically adds "img=on" when it grabs the screenshots... oh well. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:56, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, in the interest of my dysfunctional brain not screwing things up any further, I shall refrain from adding anything but the basics in the future. Just the normal vote tag and appropriate diffs. --Kels 14:59, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, that makes sense. Now... if anyone wants to do it manually, add the "img=on" and a comment in the WIGO so we know they are doing it, then go screen cap the diffs and save them as the image names that are redlinked.  This could, of course, be done using "preview", avoiding confusion.  It's probably safer to wait for Trent to run capturebot (I misnamed it above), but I think if we follow the naming scheme, etc., it will work fine. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:01, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wasn't pi playing with the capturebot script or something? Toast 15:24, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * My copy on [of] Capturebot doesn't automatically add the tags. I think the code is broken or I am missing a perl module. - User   21:06, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I edited your typo. Anyway, yeah, whine at Trent.  You probably have to have exactly the same versions as he running, or it will phail.  Capturebot is one of the most kludged things he put together, which you probably know better than I. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:12, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * PS, the current WIGO CP looks clean, so you must have figured it out. Nice work! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:16, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Related question: when we want to reference something that happened at CP in one of our Conservapedia-space articles, should we now be using the capturebot screencaps from past WIGOs (where available) instead of difflinks, or as well as difflinks (the way they appear in WIGO entries), or just use difflinks & only use the screencaps where the original link has been burnt or broken? <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId ~ 15:09, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Excellent point! I'd say, use the usual difflink, but if the image exists, link to it as well?  Braces and belt, as it were... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:07, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * For a bit of post holiday coding, it might be good to use the SHA-256 hash of the diff url as the image name for future wigo imagebot captures, that way one could easily create a template that would use either the original CP link or the image if it existed. --JeevesMkII 22:00, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I don't know what that meant ;) (although I can pretend I think I do), but email Trent with the idea. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:07, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Peace on Earth, goodwill to men...
And what is CP's featured article on this day? A fighter jet. Nice. -DickTurpis 15:06, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * As used to defend the holy places from the infidel. No doubt. Toast 15:17, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Even uncyclopedia has a xMas-themed logo for today. CP sucks at what they pretend to do, let alone anything else. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:37, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Perhaps this can wait till after Xmas
There's a cp:Gallery of American Heroes, cp:Gallery of French Heroes, and cp:Gallery of British Heroes, but no Gallery of German Heroes. Wouldn't this be the perfect opportunity for MOAR HITLER? Stile4aly 15:15, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I've been pondering whether we should put together a Gallery of Rational Heroes here at RW. It could be good, or it might just get out of hand.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 15:29, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * [[Image:Toast s.png|here's one!|thumb|right|150px]]
 * The "rational" tent is too broad for there to be very many common heroes. [[Image:Mjollnir.svg|20px]]ListenerXTalkerX 15:51, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Potentially, yes. If we limited it to people who've made significant contributions to philosophy and rational thought, major scientific breakthroughs, or big achievements in terms of civil rights etc., it might be feasible.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 15:55, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think we could do it. But perhaps in the RW namespace? We'd get as silly as we always do, of course... (I hope!)  Pls link here if made. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:58, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * It'd be interesting to find out who the RWikizens admire (unlimited by nationality), anyway Pseudomonas 05:19, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * A very interesting project. The scope is really wide though, it'd be an eclectic collection at the very least. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 08:36, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * We should try to keep them mission-related as much as possible, to avoid it coming to where people just add their their favourite bands etc. That could get really long & messy.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 09:31, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Premusably starting with Dawkins? Toast 09:38, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * At least now CP have Charles Darwin in the British Heroes gallery. Anyone fancy socking up & trying to sneak Dawkins in?  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 10:50, 26 December 2008 (EST)

I know this is going against my "Don't break the fourth wall between the Internets and real life rule," but...
...Shouldn't a devout Christian and family man like Andy Schlafly be having Christmas dinner with his family and not editing a wiki today around the dinner hour? Just wondering if I'm missing something about American Christmas traditions here...PFoster 19:13, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * This irate & muddled comment (along with the wacky Bible Retranslation Project) makes me wonder if Andy's already had his fair share of Christmas wine: "I haven't heard of a single suicide Christian bomber, or mass young murderers". <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 19:24, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm getting this image of him stumbling into the house, reeking of near-beer, and accosting his family while shouting "The Bible! SCREW the Bible!  It's full of stinking LIBERALS!  I'll write my OWN damned Bible!" before stumbling down to the basement to take out his frustrations on his wiki, while the family compose themselves and continue with Christmas without him. --Kels 19:29, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Some of these people feel the need to crow very loudly about "family values" so they can pretend to themselves that they actually embody any. [[Image:Mjollnir.svg|20px]]ListenerXTalkerX 19:50, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * He's probably eating dinner with the laptop on his knee under the tablecloth - "I'm doing the Lord's work and can't relax my vigilance for anything as trivial as my family. Those evil liberals'll sneak in if I do.". Toast 20:03, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ooh ooh! Andy: "Somebody's being wrong on the internet! (I fix)" <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:02, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * With edits like this, I don't wonder. He's got no capacity for self-examination, does he? --Kels 20:05, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Well, Christmas is actually a fairly boring day for those over the age of ten. Open presents in morning (play with them if under ten), then what? A nice dinner perhaps, visit out-laws perhaps? Thanksgiving killed the xMas dinner in the US long ago. So the kids go to their rooms and play on the internet, Mom gets stuck with the dishes, and Dad.... goes on line to cure the ills of a secular world! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:06, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I can imagine. I hardly hear anything about Christmas Day from any US popular culture, it's all "Thanksgiving This" and "Thanksgiving That" so really it's that day you should expect them to shut CP down for them to go off and have a life. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 08:45, 26 December 2008 (EST)

CP gone pop?
Or has my Xmas wish come true? Seems they're offline - I'm not even getting a 404 error and 'downforeveryone' says it's not a recognised website address. Odd. --PsyGremlinWhut? 01:00, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's boxing day, innit? The Assfly's manservant has the day off, and now he's like Bertie Wooster stumbling about the house attempting to do routine tasks for himself, like keeping Apache running. --JeevesMkII 01:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * The last time I know of that happened was when Obama became president. Teh Assfly couldn't take the pain. Pehaps something's happened to Andrew that we don't know. Andy can't TaKe something TK's done perhaps.  More likely it's just Trouble that can't easily be settled over Christmas. Whenever that happens we hope CP's gone for good. Really CP harms it's own cause.  It's better if it stays.  Proxima Centauri 02:30, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's back. Proxima Centauri 07:00, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, a link to CP's main page. Without that we would all have been lost! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:27, 27 December 2008 (EST)

New Debate!
Debate:Top Ten Conservapedia Moments of 2008
 * Honestly, I'm sure the Lenski one will take the cake. That was my first exposure to Conservapedia (and consequently RW), and I must say, I am still in shock about it. Alecwh 02:45, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Web traffic and WIGO results show the most popular event of the year was actually the History mid-terms. - User   02:52, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * However, that was just schadenfreude. L'Affaire Lenski was actually laugh out loud funny, watching the Assfly getting schooled first by the good doctor, and then by the editors of PNAS. --JeevesMkII 04:09, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Are you sure web-traffic points to the midterms? Alexa shows two massive spikes to both CP and RW for each of the Lenski Letters. It HAS to be the top of them all, probably the best Conservapedia Moment ever! <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 08:32, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Since Andy is so fond of polls
Take this poll and shove it up your stocking. Of course, everyone knows polls are a rather unreliable source of information. Still if they're reliable enough for teh assfly to base his rants on, then I take the same stance. Eye for an eye, you know? 10 points to the first person who places a link to said poll on CP's Obama talk page. -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 09:56, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Expected reply: "Blah blah Status Worship blah blah Liberals blah Church blah blah Muslim blah Mind Control blah blah. Godspeed." --Sid 10:53, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Harrison by Thatcher?
The comment on is a bit baffling. Aside from the fact that fair use probably doesn't apply as well as he thinks, he got the image of Harrison from an image of Thatcher? Weird. --Kels 10:15, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think it's nice of him to be honest: "Nobody gives a shit what I write here, and nobody is allowed to question me because I'm a sysop. So why bother filling in something that makes sense?" --Sid 10:43, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Copy/paste snafu, combined with "not checking your work"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:39, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Andy's mood
Is it just me, or is Andy a bit prickly this morning? Sure, you expect him to be a bit defensive about his ridiculous Bible project (which we all know will reach about a half-dozen words, then get forgotten), but he's he's being testy about page move rights too? His definition of "rant" is covering shorter and shorter posts, too. Boxing Day hangover, maybe? --Kels 10:21, 26 December 2008 (EST)

I'm hoping that Bible translation will become huge and get laughed at all over teh Internets. Proxima Centauri 10:47, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I noticed that, too. Let's hope his mood improves once the reinforcements arrive to do the bullying for him. Right now, it's really like
 * Random user: "Hey, Andy? [Something that can't be summed up as "You are the most awesome guy in the universe]"
 * Andy: *hisssssssssssssssss*
 * Random user: "But-"
 * Andy: *HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*
 * Random user: "Right, right. I'll be, uh... over there... doing stuff... far away from you."
 * And this man is a teacher? God, I'd be scared if I was his student. His definition of education seems to be "I say something, and you all agree with me. RIGHT NOW." (As can be seen on the Bible Project page, where he kicks down numerous people who dare to question his approach in any way.) --Sid 10:40, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Now why was Conservapedia so later starting this morning? He couldn't put things right till he'd slept off whatever he drank yesterday evening. Proxima Centauri 10:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I thought his reply was rather ratty. Maybe because by implication his admin is not up to scratch. And more stats "fewer than 1/2 of 1%"- so what? Does that make it ok? You'd think he'd want more help, so he could focus on writing drivel... ah - but then he'd actually have to trust somebody... --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:59, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andy's a rat anyway, and this is as erratic as he usually is. He doesn't really seem to have a clear idea of what he wants in terms of administration, so he flails and reacts, rather than thinking about what's needed.  Oh, and I see he's back on his "teenagers made all history's most important advances" thing again.  Not really sure why he thought that was relevant. --Kels 11:06, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * The teenagers who made all those wonderful advances were teenagers like the teenagers he educates. Proxima Centauri 11:20, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * What will happen when BRichtigen pokes the bear. Let's watch, shall we? --Kels 11:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Is this a common Andy rant? Someone needs to tell him that Jesus did most of his work well after being a teenager. Maybe that will shut up this argument(Nah.) Of course the fact that he considers his student essay answers as great works makes any challenges to the argument moot. I also love the fact that he challenges BRichtigen with a test that clearly says "No penalty for wrong answers" Patrickr 11:58, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * The "no penalty for wrong answers" thing just means that, on a multiple choice test, you don't get marked down (i.e., get marks taken off) for picking a wrong answer. Sometimes multiple choice tests do that to discourage random guesswork. Regardless, the "all the greatest works ever were achieved by teenagers" is a pretty common Schflayism. alt 12:10, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Really? I mean I was just trying to make a joke about his silly challenge. But, I didn't realize something like that was commonly used to discourage guesswork. Wouldn't someone feel more emboldened to guess when they know they won't be marked down for it? Wouldn't a better way to discourage guess work be "No penalty for unanswered questions" So, people would only answer if they truly knew. I'm not making fun I am genuinely curious. I must be misunderstanding how it works. Patrickr 12:22, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * "Penalty" here means "-1 point" (assuming that a right answer gives one point), not "no point". So if you got "No penalty for wrong answers", any wrong result will simply mean "0 points", just as if you hadn't written anything. This of course encourages guessing since you can only improve your overall score (no change if you're wrong and a point if you're right). When the penalty rule is in effect, your wrong answers cancel out the right ones. So if you got ten questions and answer half of them correctly and the other half incorrectly, you end up with zero points (+5-5). Not filling in anything gives no points (positive or negative) in both models and is sort of a global standard, I'd guess. --Sid 13:17, 26 December 2008 (EST)

(undent) Andy replies with his typical non-answer. So now we know that significant contributions in economics, physics, chemistry, medicine, and even being considered the most influential people in American history qualify as "great works". Which begs the question, what the hell does Andy consider "great works"? Anyone want to tackle the great works of English literature? Were Tolkien, Dickens, Austen, Hemmingway, and so forth teenagers when they wrote the books they're most known for? --Kels 12:32, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Well, relating to the SAT (as regards it?), the most important USA multiple guess test on earth or in heaven, advisers recommend "guessing" - if you can eliminate at least one answer. Because of the way the grading works (worked?). A "wrong answer" was minus less than a wild guess (wild guess = 1/5, wrong after elimination 1/4 at worst). But any way, do any of you think that Schlafly understands any of this at all, in any way? All he wants is a way to grade his flock of $250 checks at "excellent, 97%!" <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:15, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Another thing for Andy to hate WP for
Wp's shortcut list has two letters which are allocated but "pending (re)allocation to high-traffic page" &mdash; one's WP:J Jazz &mdash; guess the other &mdash; you'll have to go & look but ROFLMAO!!!! Toast 12:15, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Are you sure that's the right link? --Kels 12:17, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * That should work now. I'm still not really seeing the lulz though.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 12:18, 26 December 2008 (EST)

WP:X = Project Christianity! not a high traffic page Toast 12:25, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * well I thought it was funny, anyhow. Toast 12:49, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * It was, no need to sulk. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:40, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'd stopped  straight away. Toast 20:52, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Of course a WikiProject page will never be high traffic - Projects are used by smallish groups of dedicated users rather than the community as a whole, or the public. (Some WikiProjects are exceptions, I know, involving hundreds of editors and sophisticated infrastructures. I don't think "WP:X" is one of them.)  Bluefish 00:08, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Bugler rides to Andy's rescue!
Many, perhaps most of the greatest achievements in human history - in the fields of art, culture, science and technology - have been brought about by teenagers. PFoster 13:05, 26 December 2008 (EST)


 * Nice to see he's doing some fine parody work, rather than just picking on the new users for a change. --Kels 13:09, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Aschlafly's doing the new users. Yet another user blocked after making a sensible comment. Proxima Centauri 13:52, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I love how Andy can only live in a world of absolutes. A statement like "teenagers have made many great accomplishments throughout history," a pretty true, straightforward statement, becomes "most of the greatest achievements in human history were made by teenagers," which is patently false. At least Bugler comes up with some examples, but is Mozart's "Mithridate" one of his greatest works, let alone one of the greatest works of all time? Can Andy hum a bar from it? Is becoming a chess grandmaster one of the greatest achievements in history? Seems a little commonplace for that. Is Frankenstein one of the greatest works of literature? I don't recall seeing it on any critics' or readers' "Greatest books of all time" lists. Great as Braille writing is, I don't see how that qualifies either; it's not like he had to invent a new language. And is a French defeat of English forces one of mankind's greatest achievements too? I can't wait to see where this is going. DickTurpis 13:49, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'd cut Braille and Shelly a bit of slack there, and Mozart was a prolific composer even before he turned 20, so that's fair enough. Frankenstein is an enduring classic, and the story has influenced stories around the world, so that's a bit of a classic right there.  Braille less so, since he seems to have adapted an existing system for wider use, rather than something totally original, but it's still a major achievement.  But even if it's only six or seven, or even a hundred, there are still hundreds of similar or greater achievements by adults (even the older selves of some of those prodigies) for every single one of them, so Andy's "most" doesn't have anything at all to stand on. --Kels 13:57, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * This is probably the path Andy will trod upon: He'll purposely attempt to confuse "most great works/achievements were by teens" with "most great works were by people who began to show brilliance as teens" or "there have been many teen prodigies".  Kels begins to fall into this trap above, when she concedes that Mozart was a prolific composer as a teen--yes, he was, but that's not the same thing as saying his best work was done as a teen, let alone that his teen works are among music's greatest, or that Mozart's teen compositions are among history's greatest accomplishments.--WJThomas 14:16, 26 December 2008 (EST)


 * In an attempt to identify some of the "greatest achievements" I've started Essay:Greatest achievements of human history to identify achievements in various fields that are widely regarded as among the greatest, and then to identify those done by teens. There are no real firm guidelines as to what is in the running for among the greatest, but I've tried to confine it to the almost stereotypical "classics", as I'm sure that's largely what a conservative like Andy would deem the greatest. I've also tried to gear some of it towards various things he has in the past shown to hold in high regard (Newton, Columbus, the Bible). Feel free to expand. Maybe, if we do so enough, we will come across a few actual achievements by teens, though I sort of doubt it. DickTurpis 14:49, 26 December 2008 (EST)

500 points to anyone who adds some of the gems by his students to the article. DickTurpis 15:23, 26 December 2008 (EST)

The man is a complete idiot (No!--I'm not kidding...). He's now claiming that John (the apostle) wrote his gospel when he was just 13 years old (ie, immediately after the death of Jesus, instead of decades later as thought by every other biblical scholar on Earth).--WJThomas 20:54, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Love the way he uses "first draft" as if he had been there looking over his shoulder. Toast 21:01, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * And Joan of Arc! The ramblings of a pubescent girl - the fact that she was 13 amplifies the silliness of it. Toast 21:04, 26 December 2008 (EST)


 * Me: Teenager = 13-19. Andy: VANDALISM! Dreaded Walrus 21:37, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Some random troll: Andy pwned by a teenager. Aw, next edit, Tim protects Andy from teh Truth. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:31, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * It gets better. (The clinching 'insight' - "did Jesus homeschool John with his mother's permission?") Anyway, surely John shouldn't get the credit for precocious evangelism - wasn't God standing behind him telling him what to write? Cantabrigian 10:38, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Gun rights / domestic violence WIGO
Sorry, but I've edited WIGO 1004, which said:


 * "Great news for men who want to scare their wives or girlfriends. You can get your gun back.  You must convince the judges that domestic violence isn’t continuing. What if she can’t prove violence is continuing?  What if she lies awake at night fearing he’ll restart once he’s got that gun?   Aschlasfly doesn’t mind."

This is mostly rambling soapbox commentary, which I think we're seeing too much of on recent WIGOs, & it's actually very misleading in this case. Glancing through the article, I see that the guy & his wife both filed domestic violence cases against each other, which were soon dropped, at the time that he surrendered his gun license. Given that he is now divorced & separated from his wife for over ten years, I see no reason to conclude that "she lies awake at night fearing he’ll restart once he’s got that gun". The case seems to have been drawn out by unexciting legal wrangling, rather than outstanding issues of proving that no further violence was continuing.

Whatever your opinions about Andrew Schlafly's views on gun rights and domestic violence, I don't think we can put words in his mouth quite like this. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId ~ 14:29, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I agree, sadly one of our users' writing style tends towards "rambling soapbox commentary", and a few other things. She brings much at times, and at other times make me cringe (when the WIGOs are only semi-literate, how can one criticize Andy?) (When the blockies are flying fast and furious, how can one criticize CP?)  End of rant. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:25, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Devolooshun
This one is a bit rich, given that it's freaks like Andy who have been pushing for the term to be redefined. --Kels 17:06, 26 December 2008 (EST)


 * That's not how linguistic evolution works! There's no such thing as "Linguistic devolution." The only way that would be possible would be the sudden revival of Middle English or something. As a writer, this bugs the hell out of me. --Barikada, too lazy to sign in.


 * Middle English? OLD English, dammit! Things started going bad with bloody Offa, really. Bring back the heptarchy, say I, and, oh, I can't be bothered. Pseudomonas 18:09, 26 December 2008 (EST)


 * Continuing on the theme of Andy Absolutes, I like how Andy seems to think a word can only have one meaning at any given time. So, for example, now that "link" can refer to hyperlinks, it couldn't possibly refer to anything else and noone uses it to refer to connections any more. But try telling this to the Liberal, Socialistic Media! Or, you know, anyone who has ever talked about football gossip. Dreaded Walrus 00:04, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Insight
Have we got an "Insight" counter like the "Clueless" one? I'm rapidly becoming allergic to the word. Toast 19:26, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I like how Andy's response to being told he's wrong has now become "Sure, I'm wrong, but you've gotta admit, I'd be right if I was right." --Barikada, still too lazy to sign in.
 * Dear heavens, the lengths that boy will go to so rich people can get off the hook. --Kels 21:16, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I suspect it's likely that Andy is not in a terribly poor financial situation himself. But that obviously couldn't have any bearing on his bugbear about the "rich" translation. alt 21:58, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yaknow, based on his internet activity rate, I'd say he fits the definition of "idle rich" pretty well. Bluefish 00:11, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * He made a similar comment to this on the talk page: "most people are abundantly supplied today with food and entertainment". What a tool.  "Most people"?  Maybe most of the people he knows from church in NJ? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:46, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Issue One: Build it, and they will come. Issue Two, OMGoat, he's really running with that illiterate Bible project! "freak-out!" Wow, I can't even absorb it right now, yummy food for tomorrow! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:27, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Insight has 155 entries on searching @ the current time; aaaaaaargh!!!!!. Toast 08:43, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Whereas the comparatively clueless "clueless" has only 14! Toast 08:45, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * No, you're doing it wrong.  "Clueless", by its nature, only appears on Talk pages, where it appears 78 times, although I suspect that does not include archives, where there are countless more cluelesses, I am sure.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  10:09, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * If you do a blanket namespace inclusion on "insight", the number rises slightly (to 291!). Me 09:46, 28 December 2008 (EST)

The usual Ed mendacity
It's almost too ordinary, isn't it? Ed blocks a guy who doesn't really deserve it, guy tries to contact him and gets nothing but frustrated, and is understandably a little miffed as a result. Ed, being the honest guy he is, reverts his comments, blocks the poor sap, and not only deletes the guy's userpage with the usual total lie in the comment section, but also his comment in a totally related conversation. If it were anyone else, BS like this would be disturbing, but with Special Ed, it's all too ordinary. --Kels 20:30, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm beginning to suffer from CP ludicrosity overload. What with the "insights", the incorrect scholarly translations and the Edisms, it's just getting too much. Toast 20:57, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * For Ed, it's just another day of work at Miniluv. I can hear his thoughts from here, "Crimethink is doubleplusungood, therefor all traces of this unperson must be removed". Still not Orwellian enough? Consider this: We've recently witnessed Andy's attempts to rewrite the bible, using his own version of newspeak. I sometimes feel similar to the way that Toast does, however to be perfectly honest, it scares the crap out of me (seriously, I mean it really does frighten me) that some people are capable of acting in just the manner Orwell described. -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 00:43, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * gospels jesus speech malreported rectify. [[Image:Mjollnir.svg|20px]]ListenerXTalkerX 01:01, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Hilariously mixed metaphors
The comedy stylings of Ken DeMyer, folks. Apparently US air force and marines are doing battle with ancient Egyptians. Man, without the internet you'd have to pay for quality entertainment like this. --Kels 21:26, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Repeat: Overload!!! Toast 21:30, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Running away won't save you, Ken! --Kels 21:31, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Repeat, repeat, overload, overlord. Seriously, at what point does WIGO CP become irrelevant for repeating the same joke over and over and over and over (not that it's our fault).  PS, thank for the screenshot Kels. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:30, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Tough friggin' room, seriously. I just thought the mixed metaphor was funny, I'll try to avoid doing it again.  Oh, and I didn't put it in WIGO at all. --Kels 01:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry if that sounded like I was critiquing you Kels, I was thanking you for the .png, and commiserating that CP is turning into the same-old same-old joke so much. Not our observations, but the raw material itself. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:19, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Lobby
cp:Lobbyists_ties_to_the_Obama_administration Like Bush had none! Toast 21:38, 26 December 2008 (EST)

The gift that keeps on giving
Wow, I knew the Biblical Sacrilege Project was gonna be a nice gift of lulz to us, but it keeps getting crazier! The total incoherence of Andy's "rich" section, which he adopted from one of the most obvious parodists on the site, is beyond classic. But the icing on the cake, to me, is Andy accusing Tim of using liberal arguments. He ain't takin' it lying down, which means Andy's gonna get even crazier. Oh Santa, thank you so much! --Kels 22:00, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Awesome, "Tim, the essence of this project is to open your mind and think for yourself" when it comes to translating the Bible. He's telling Tim to make shit up instead of learning from the experts. Welcome to Conservapedia! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  10:22, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, this really is turning rapidly into one of the richest mines of lulz EVAH.  As an aside, do you think Andy's obsession with the redefinition of 'rich' is because of that stream of Evangelical thinking that being rich and making loadsamoney is what God wants you to do - isn't there some evangelical preacher who preaches this 'loadsamoney is Good' thing?   Or do you think it's Andy attempting to redefine himself?   Or both?   What say the heathens in this matter?  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  10:33, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * At the least, I'd say this conclusively dispels any doubts about whether Andy is a good Catholic: "Yes, but Mr Schlafly, the teaching Magisterium of the Church says that this interpretation is..." "SILENCE! THEY ARE LIBERAL EXPERTS! OPEN YOUR MINDS TO MY INSIGHTS OR ELSE!" -- 10:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm especially fond of this line. "Often this term was used by Jesus (assuming he spoke Greek)..." Uh, if you don't know what language he spoke, then how do you know what term he was using? --Kels 12:13, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * We need some of these gems recorded in our article about the project. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 12:46, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, hell yeah. One of the basic tenets of Conservachristianism is that if you're poor, it's because YOU'RE BAD and GOD HATES YOU.   On the bright side, Andy's continued unSmitedness provides excellent grist for the Atheist position.  --Gulik 23:09, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Andy is starting to remind me of J. R. "Bob" Dobbs. "You CAN learn to think for yourself, but ONLY "Bob" can show you how!"
 * Also, it suddenly occurs to me the ultimate silliness at the heart of this fiasco: If "the words of experts" have no meaning or use to Andy....what does that make the Bible? --Gulik 23:09, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Emails
Hey Human,

What ever happened to those emails from TK? Have you decided not to publish them?&mdash; Unsigned, by: 213.202.145.218 / talk / contribs
 * Whoever you are, I made a proposition - that if both the dissenters agreed they were ok to publish on RW I would do so. Neither responded.  End of drama. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman 

More on TK
TK appears to see things that RodWeathers doesn’t. Proxima Centauri 00:19, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * Well, TK has had checkuser access since 1st December, which Rod either wasn't aware of, or didn't know what Checkuser is. Dreaded Walrus 00:27, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * It's weird that he feels the need to inform RW by email, when checkuser isn't exactly a secret. Nor is the indiscriminate and common use of it by folks like TK. --Kels 00:28, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * There'sstuff in that Email that we shouldn't see. Proxima Centauri 00:32, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * If that's so, why not just email him directly without worrying about posting about it? --Kels 00:42, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * TK's operating philosophy is "Don't communicate publicly when you can be all secret and spy-like." He and his newspaper boy have a complicated system of ciphers. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 00:57, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Christ on an easter stick, PC, don't you have other wikis to leave your gems of wisdom on from time to time?  I note in the section above "no content" that I can see. "There'sstuff in that Email that we shouldn't see."  WTF, doh.  That's why it's an email not a wiki edit?   The Conservapedia prize for stating the blindingly obvious over and over again on RationalWiki goes to.... the envelope please... Sorry, PC... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:34, 27 December 2008 (EST)

It's obvious to us. There's a steady stream is new users at RationalWiki. They don't always know what we know. I was telling them. Proxima Centauri 11:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Jesus, Human, who shat in your cornflakes this fine morning? PFoster 09:21, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry for carping on a talk page comment. I was wrong to do so. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:49, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Jesus tapdancing Christ! :P What PC is getting at is that TK just couldn't answer with a "I haz Checkuzer and kan C eye peas" and had to email him the answer. That likely means he's saying why he has checkuser in order to purge 7/8 of all humanity, and by emailing an obvious parodist, he's letting the cat out of the bag to someone he knows won't go blathering about it since it jeopardizes his own status at CP. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  10:27, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Everyone knows he's got checkuser, he's talked about it in public lots of times, and he could tell everyone that Andy ordered him to eat live kittens and provide photographic proof in 2400 dpi and that still wouldn't jeopardize his role if he said he was doing it for the good of CP. TK's always used the thinnest of fig leaves for his stuff, and it's rarely caused him problems. What got me in the first place is why he bothered to announce that he was sending an email in two different spots, instead of just leaving it hanging and sending an email anyway. --Kels 10:52, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's no fun being menacingly secretive if nobody knows about it. -- 10:57, 27 December 2008 (EST)

We’re a bunch of thieves. We want to steal, guess what, Christmas
It’s here. And Deanieboy isn’t usually as stupid as teh Assfly. I’d like to feature it in Wigo. At the moment Aschlafly’s silliness about Bible translation looks so good on the top of the page I don’t like to displace it. Proxima Centauri
 * Wow, they found us out much quicker than we had anticipated. I was personally hoping they wouldn't notice at least until we had convinced Yahoo and Altavista to stop celebrating Christmas (just like we did with Google). Once the search engines were out of the way, there would have been no stopping us.
 * Seriously, paranoid much? -[[User:Redback|<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font

color="#000000">ck ]]<font color="#808080">G'day 06:06, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm a little surprised. Ken spends so much time masturbating in front of Google and he didn't even seem to notice. --Kels 10:58, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Incidentally they try and pretend Europeans talk about Happy holidays because their readers are against Europe. let me assure you here in Britain it's Merry Christmas. I've read about Happy Holidays on a few British websites, newspapers etc. I'v never heard it. Proxima Centauri


 * Exactly. I have never heard Happy Holidays over here (although "Happy Christmas" does seem to be slightly popular) simply because it isn't called the "Holiday season" over here. It's called the Christmas season. And it's always been Merry Christmas. Without hyperbole, I have literally never heard someone over here refer to Christmas as "Holiday", as the Human Events article claims. Meanwhile, on my many trips to the US (American fiancée), I have heard "Happy Holidays" almost exclusively. It sounds like the author of the article is trying to lay the blame elsewhere for a purely American trend. "Euro-speak" indeed. Dreaded Walrus 06:32, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Merry Christmas is better though! Toast 06:41, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * Exactly. But a few online friends of mine who blogged about their Christmas presents wished everyone a Happy Christmas, and the woman working in my local corner shop said she hopes I have a Happy Christmas. Apart from that though, Merry Christmas all the way. "A.W.R. Hawkins" (what an absurd name) is talking out of his arse in the third paragraph even more than in the rest of his article. Dreaded Walrus 06:52, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * (EC) Yes, ironically the name "Christmas" and the pronouncement "Merry Christmas" are about all that remains of Christianity in the holiday here in godless Europe. This year I found it telling that in the shops religious cards received almost exactly the same amount of shelf space as cards for cats and dogs (Who buys either of these items??) The trappings of a British Christmas are almost exclusively pagan or capitalist in character. I wonder if I should sock up and troll Conservapedia by suggesting that the evil multicultural Netherlands are trying to rid themselves of the traditional Sinter Klaus because his slave Swarte Piet isn't politically correct? I think that story presses all the liberal buttons. --JeevesMkII 06:57, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Don't worry, someone'll pick it up now you've mentioned it here. Toast 07:04, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Take care Jeeves. If you overdo the socks you wil suffer teh dreaded Rangeblockie. Proxima Centauri 07:47, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Steal Christmas? Like Jack Skellington? 08:04, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * How can we steal Christmas when Christianity stole it from Pagan religion? We're just taking it baaaaack! [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  10:32, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Why would I want to steal Christmas? I've got enough crap in my closet as it is! --Kels 10:56, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I've never seen "Happy Holidays" either. You occaisionally get "Festive Period" or "Festive Season" on things like the news but that's always refering to the overall period which includes New Year (roughly 15th Dec 5th Jan maybe? It usually includes the sales when they talk about the "Festive Season"). Then again, CP is stocked mostly with the kind of American that just won't leave the country EVER, so all they have to rely on is their prejudice when trying to claim that European countries are waging War On Christmas too. It kind of reminds me of French Fries, they complained about the French being against the war in Iraq so got rid of the name, despite the fact that really only the US has "French" fries, elsewhere it's either fries or chips. I think it could well be about laying the blame elsewhere as has been mentioned above. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 13:18, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * In China, apparently it can be written as "Marry Charistmas!" Could just be a typo, though. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:01, 27 December 2008 (EST)

RickD
Rick D apparently has night rights after less than a month. And he's writing a little article on antisemitism and fundamentalism that looks like it might become interesting/problematic--in that his user page says: "It's wrong to think Christian fundamentalism could be somehow divorced from reality. For fundamentalism simply is reality." Anyone got any sense of where this guy is coming from? PFoster 12:34, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I get a very Ed Poor riff off that essay article stub Rick's writing.  Wonder if he's making fun stylistically rather than with content? --Kels 12:48, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * He was also the one who replied to Jessica with the odd statement about the blocking being within the Great Commandment (great Camouflage song, if anybody remembers them, btw). I'm not ready to lump him in with Bugler et al just yet, but he's another who seems to be very good at saying the right things. Of course, he could just be one of Christ's little stormtroopers. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:58, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Edit comments like this make me go "hmmm" in any case. --Kels 13:01, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * How 'bout this? White supremicists masquerading as Christians are actually, you guessed it-- LIBERALS!! PFoster 13:44, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Now that's truly Orwellian! 14:05, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well Hitler was an extreme liberal, after all. --Kels 15:11, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * (EC) Yes, the talk page exchange really makes me weep. --Sid 15:13, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Slaying Santa
I don't wish to make capital out of the tragic shooting of 9 people in LA by someone dressed as Santa Claus but CP has been remarkably quiet on the subject. According to the BBC news he was an usher at his church.  Lily Ta, wack! 13:29, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I actually expected Andy to crow about how the guy was divorced (and from what I know, being divorced means you can't be a True Christian). --Sid 15:06, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I am more worried that when there is a shooting people around here start wondering when it will appear on Conservapedia. - User   17:16, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, we can get our knickers twisted in knots in ways that embarrass us, too.... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:44, 27 December 2008 (EST) PS, not that I don't share Lily's and Sid's sentiments. Mea culpa, aussi?
 * No, you can't borrow a cup of Australian. Moocher. --Kels 22:32, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Don't be ridiculous. Blessed Saint Ronnie was divorced (the Archangel Nancy was his second wife), so divorce is OK, as long as it's a Conservative doing it. --Gulik 23:28, 27 December 2008 (EST)

WillB's block and a lesson in irony
I logged on to CP a few minutes ago and noticed the block of WillB that also got WIGO'd (is that the proper term?). And just when I wanted to point out the "Uh, no?" factor to TK... I realized that I too had been blocked, and for the same duration, even. Gotta appreciate the irony! --AlanS 16:22, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * TK doesn't seem to realize that he erased great parts of a quite amusing discussion at Aschlafly's talk page. He reverted some vandalism, but also erased lots of content. LArron 17:23, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * A difflink would be better for the first one? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:46, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * here you go --BoredCPer 21:50, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks! It just shows what was deleted... much nicer. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:38, 27 December 2008 (EST)

A new "Homosexuality and X" article by 🇰🇪
It's been a while.PFoster 16:37, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * oooooh. A double header. Could this be the start of Operation Flying Fortresses? We await with baited breath. PFoster 16:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I thought he tried to delete any reference to Operation Flying Fortresses. This is Operation Titillating Poltroon. - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 17:03, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * He restored it, for some reason, but minus the stupid pictures/captions. The hilariously bad mixed metaphor (modern military/Pharaohs) is still there, though. --Kels 17:33, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's an interesting article in regards to homosexuality and the military.  In regards to homosexuality and the military, it's clear Idiot Ken has no idea in regards to homosexuality and the military.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  19:23, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * In regards to Ken regarding homosexuals in regards to the military, I'm more sure than ever that he has no clue how to write in the English language. --Kels 19:29, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * With regards to homosexuality in the military, Jeeves stated the following: "I enjoyed this film immensely, five stars!" --JeevesMkII 19:50, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * With regards to your regards to the aforementioned regards to homosexuality in the military, I regard it merely a "Two thumbs up!" picture. -- 20:26, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Regarding Homosexuality in the Military, as it regards two gentlemen exchanging bodily fluids in an act of pleasure, or regarding two gentlewomen perversing in a similar manner, Oscar Wilde had this to say.... "see Uncyclopedia". 🇰🇪, don't ask, don't tell is the best defense you have right now. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:51, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Jpatt block reasons
They're getting a wee bit nasty lately, wow. I looked at both their contributions before they were blocked, and neither said anything hateful at all or, as far as I could see, created any pages that were deleted. Not sure where the sudden hostility from "Somewhat unstable to start with" Jpatt. --Kels 18:33, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think it's more to do with the usernames - "Eric Bauman did WTC" (i.e. World Trade Centre, 9/11), although I'm not sure about the Jewish connection (don't really know anything about Bauman). I haven't figured the other one out yet.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 18:48, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Probably the eBaums one, although I still don't get the Jewish thing. --Kels 19:00, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think that after "silly editing pattern" all bets are off, pleez to forgive me for the self-centered perspective. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:52, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe he laid them out on a graph? --Kels 22:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Or on his underwear? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:42, 27 December 2008 (EST)

CP News Loves Me
Never thought I'd be counted among such greats as Phyllis. What can I say? - Gentleman Publius (V)&lt;,&quot;,&gt;(V) 20:02, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Nice. I think I remember that, briefly, "human" was an article one could not create there. But you made the friggin' News of the World! Sweet. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:55, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * cp:Human still redirects to cp:Human being, so they still hate you a bit. Though you have to check the logs for a full impression of just how much they hated you in 2007... --Sid 09:07, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Andy vs. Linguistics
Andy's been on a real tear over language lately, so he's sure to generate some classic lulz. Lessee...so "culture" is getting less intelligent? How intelligent is a culture, anyhow? Again, we're seeing that "everything is deteriorating" motif he's been chasing lately, dunno if it's because we're getting further and further from Eden, or if it's the liberals' fault or something. Hard to say. Extra lulz for where he now blames Microsoft for "word" not meaning a unit of speech any more, despite the fact that it still means that. --Kels 21:21, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * He seems to have difficulty with words having more than one meaning. Which.... is hardly surprising for someone of his impressively narrow view.-[user:Lardashe|Lardashe]]
 * You can see that in his difficulty over "rich" in the bible. When presented with definitions, he picks the one he wants (not the first, interestingly), and that becomes the only definition.  But that's an authoritarian for you, once he decides the truth, then that's the truth. --Kels 22:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * That's rich. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:26, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Why yes, it is abundantly supplied. Thank you! --Kels 23:28, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * But, is it miserly?! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:36, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Since you asked so nicely
Here Andy, lemme help you:


 * 1) In Europe, yes. In the mideast and Asia, no.  In the Americas, same old, same old.
 * 2) Slaves and math. Mostly slaves.
 * 3) See above.
 * 4) Aramaic, probably. Why, is it important?
 * 5) Because it appealed to people, and occasionally it was forced on them once things got rolling.
 * 6) Neither, they both suck.
 * No.
 * Yes, although Sharia's gotta go. Lots of Muslims live in democratic societies.
 * 1) No. There's nothing magical about living a long time ago.
 * 2) Complacency, failure to work with others, stuff like that. Maybe take a history course and learn all about it?

Hope that helps, Andy. Guess you can delete that stupid article now you've got the answers. --Kels 21:41, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * The "Dark Ages" in Europe: Actually, Kels, you're a little off with this. I'm no medievalist (I study mostly twentieth-century African history) but I've been around enough medievalists to know that 1. they get GROSSLY pissed off whenever someone uses the term "the Dark Ages" when discussing medieval history because 2. There was a lot more going on intellectually and culturally than people sometimes give credit for, and there is a rich source base from which historians can reconstruct that past and find meaning there. So you might be better off to carp on andy for using an out-of-date term that scholarly historians frown upon. PFoster 21:48, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think you already did, thanks. --Kels 22:02, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * (9) "Did people have a higher intelligent (IQ) in ancient times than today?" Higher than you?  Probably. Nice illiteralism for me to make up a new word for.  Andy, IQ scores have been rising at about ten points per decade over the last century.  What say you now, oh unproductive, wealthy, lazy inheritor? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:01, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * See above for more of "culture is getting stupider". But I guess that's a conservative value, that glorifying of the past. --Kels 22:03, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Whereas attacking the past sometimes seems to be a particularly rationalist value, such as the poor oft-maligned "illiterate Bronze Age shepherds". -- 09:30, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * Regarding #2 - From something I read recently, can't remember where, slaves were not primary labor on building the pyramids. There are gravesites and labor town ruins, and the laborers were considerably well fed.  And the incline for building the pyramids was actually built into the design of the structure.  It still takes a long time.  Regardless, not much of a mystery anymore. -Lardashe
 * Feed your slaves well, they'll live longer and work harder? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:34, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Last I'd heard, the prevailing theory was that the pyramids were built partially as religious devotion (the Pharaoh is a God on Earth, y'see) and partially to keep the farmers busy when the Nile was too flooded for them to do any farming. --Gulik 23:34, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Mind you, the line between "peasant" and "slave" was probably pretty vague at that time in history, anyhow. --Gulik 15:50, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * The key to the pyramids was the right brewery... no, not that one... this one. "Workmen at the pyramids of the Giza Plateau were given beer, thrice daily - five kinds of beer and four kinds of wine were found by archaeologists "poking through dumps, examining skeletons, probing texts and studying remains of beer jars, and wine vats" at Giza." So slaves, labors, math, and beer! --Shagie 00:16, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Seriously, none of Andy's mysteries are actually mysteries. Hell, except for the Catholic/Protestant thing, which is nonsense anyhow, they're not even unanswered questions.  But Andy would have to go to those charlatan "experts", so I guess to him they'll always remain mysteries. --Kels 22:30, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Shame on all of you! Even I can work out what answers andy wants here.


 * No, because Christianity makes everything nice
 * 1) God helped them
 * 2) See above
 * 3) American English
 * 4) Satan helped them
 * 5) Protestants
 * 6) And how!
 * No, which is why we must burn them
 * Yes
 * 1) Because they had gun control
 * I think that's a 98/100, personally. They might be model answers, as well. No, with sandwiches 06:50, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Oh, this looks like fun. -- 09:16, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * 1) No. And no historians actually call them that anymore.
 * 2) By hauling stones from one place to another, then piling them on top of one another.
 * 3) By hauling stones from one place to another, then piling them on top of one another.
 * 4) Aramaic.
 * 5) Because of the relative political unstability of the Eastern Roman Empire's southern provinces due to religious conflicts, and because both the East Roman and the Sassanid Empires had been militarily weakened by a series of wars with each other, making it difficult for both to respond effectively to a new and unexpected threat on a second front. Also, it did take about 150 years for the Caliphate to reach its greatest extent, which is at least comparable to other historical large-scale conquests.
 * 6) The Catholics, obviously. Duh.
 * 7) There are many prophecies. Please be more specific.
 * Yes, especially through such principles as shura and ijma.
 * 1) It is a little unclear to me what "an intelligent (IQ)" is. But I suppose they could have put it on top of a pyramid. That would have been pretty high.
 * 2) The Roman Empire didn't "fall" at all, it just lost political control of its western provices due to a whole lot of different reasons such as factionalism, loss of legitimacy, and the appearance of local power centers that could credibly compete with the Empire for the loyalty of the local elites. But in social and cultural terms, there's a clear continuity from the supposed "fall" in the late 5th century to the emergence of the Carolingian state in the late 8th century. And what exactly is "the Greek Empire"? The Athenian League? Alexander's conquests? Eastern Roman Empire? Trebizond?

World History lectures...
A propos of above, it looks like Andy is re-jigging the World History lectures. Here's the first problem of many that I noticed: "Use history to predict the future." ummm, Andy, you're doing it wrong. That's decidedly not how history works. That being said, right now I'm looking over your U.S. History students' test answers and can safely predict that with you as a teacher, they will learn little of value in this course. PFoster 21:59, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * So I wonder if someone could tell me if the World History lectures from two years ago are at the same level of crazystupid as the American History ones from this past fall? --Kels 22:04, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * You know, I read that as "this past fail" initially. alt 22:23, 27 December 2008 (EST)

BHarlan on homosexuality
Is BHarlan a wicked parodist or what? First he escorts Larry Craig back into the closet:. Then he decrees that Ron Reagan is gay:. But then the boss steps in, and Andy reverts BHarlan's Reagan edit: -- Simple 22:58, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * No Simple BHarlan is a terrible parodist. None of that is clever, he didn't even get the actual Reagan article. - User   23:07, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Assfly can’t answer arguments about gun control in Australia
TCochrane refuses to stop writing sensible stuff about gun control. he’s obviously intelligent and understands Australia. The Führer replies as does TCochrane. Aschlafly appears to be losing the argument so Ed reverts it. TCochrane socks up and puts it back with a different account. Aschlafly reverts this time. It’s back and is clearly liberal vandalism. JZim thinks it’s all unfair. Rod undoes it again. Rod and TK both block him for wanting reasonable points addressed. Proxima Centauri 03:40, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * "isolated violence that was sensationalized in the media". 34 people dead, in one day, in one small town, is sensationalism by the media? Why does Andy conveniently ignore the history of why Australian gun control laws were brought in? - User   03:50, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * I suppose cultural context comes in to play somewhat. After all, the Assfly is from a land where santa slaying nine people is barely remarkable. --JeevesMkII 03:58, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Tells you something about Australia that was the opening story on some news services here. - User   04:00, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think Assfly would quite agree with you Pi, he would probably say something along the line of "It does indeed say something about Australia, that the liberal media in that country supports gun control and hence sensationalizes issues with which they should not be concerned". Now, I'm not going to go on about how "it's completely rational for our media to have closely followed a story where 35 people were shot dead, it's a simple matter of us Aussies not being used to people murdering eachother with largely defensive(sic) weapons", I'd be preaching to the choir. Bottom line is that Assfly made an uninformed assertion, and doesn't have the ability (for want of a better term) to back down even when he's been proven wrong.
 * I do believe that the strict regulations that were brought into effect as a result of the massacre were primarily a political tactic used by the Howard government, but that doesn't mean it was wrong of them to do so. Hell, if allowing a man with an IQ of 66 to possess numerous semi/automatic weapons is right, then I'd rather be wrong. -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 06:55, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Wrong statements by Aschlafly
Do we have a page were the most obvious wrong statements of Aschlafly are collected? Whenever he gets an insight, he seems to be unable to change his position even if he is buried under facts... Has anyone ever spotted the retraction of an insight? They seem to come like prophecies to him - and he surely revers them... --LArron 09:33, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think such a huge project would need a wiki to itself, plus a full team of dedicated wikiers working full-time just to keep it up-to-date. Still, if someone feels ambitious enough to attempt to catalogue every instance Andy has been proven wrong, only to have him attempt to persevere with his insights, I'm sure it would be a crowd-pleaser. -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 09:58, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * There is such a page: begin here. Me 10:02, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thank me, I found (and expanded) it LArron 10:12, 28 December 2008 (EST)

And the Nobel Prize in Wingnuttery goes to...
It's Sunday, so we can count on Andy to bring the crazy. This time it's the Nobels, apparently they're not so much well known as criticized and corrupt, although he's being coy and not telling us who is actually doing the criticizing. I get a giggle out of his insistence that Ronnie Ray-gun should have gotten one, maybe in Physics? --Kels 14:17, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Economics. TK called him a "professional economist" a few weeks back as I recall...PFoster 14:27, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * "more work to be done here to tell the truth" (Taken from the edit comment)
 * Translation: Further lulz in 3...2...1.... Come on Andy, don't keep us waiting, this one's gonna be good. -<font color="#000000">Re <font color="#FF0000">dba <font color="#000000">ck <font color="#808080">G'day 14:38, 28 December 2008 (EST)

This is one of Andy's long-standing hobby-horses. His basic complaints are that Peace has an inherent liberal bias, with the prize going to those who are trying to stop war and hunger and disaster instead of to warmongers and dictators, and that the creationists are blackballed from consideration of the science prizes.--WJThomas 15:02, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I also notice he got in a dig against Relativity, which he's had a long-standing hate for. It's really hard to say why, unless it's some weird attempt to discredit Einstein's other views. --Kels 15:05, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * The relativity thing is a longstanding Assfly gripe--he seems to thing that if Einsteinian relativity holds true, it becomes a justification for moral relativity and a threat to the absolutism of Christianity. He's dumb that way...PFoster 15:16, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yep, 'cuz words can only have one meaning, doncha know. The Reagan thing, by the way, grows out of the righty notion that Ronnie and Pope JP2 were responsible for the collapse of communism.  Instead, the Nobel committee gave credit for same (and the Prize) to Gorbachev.--WJThomas 15:29, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Let me backtrack a bit...Gorby got Ronnie's award, and the award that "should" have gone to JP2 for bringing freedom to (Communist) Poland was instead given to Lech Walesa, who--as we all know--was a (gasp!) union leader. No doubt, too, Andy is bugged that Al Gore got a prize for his global warming warnings, while everyone knows that the real experts (the good kind of experts, that is) are in universal agreement that global warming is a liberal hoax.  Will the Nobel atrocities never end?--WJThomas 15:40, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Why yes, CP did hate Gore for winning the Nobel Prize, how'd you guess? --Sid 16:37, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, he must have been frothing when he did the 15:07 "improving more" edit. There are grammatical errors all over the place - you know, kind of like when you read some rant someone put on their blog without proofreading... and what's this "Named in honor of Alfred Nobel"?  It was set up by him (except that newer one). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:44, 28 December 2008 (EST)

TK welcomes a vandal
BrandonF suggested adding a velociraptor to the New Testament. 5 minutes later TK welcomed him. Proxima Centauri 15:08, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * It may have been vadalism, but it was funny vandalism. --Horace 18:00, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Everyone knows RAPTOR JESUS was real. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]<font face="Comic Sans"><font color = "Green">Norseman  Cyser Melomel  20:29, 28 December 2008 (EST)

BRichtigen's Block
It took me all of about 3 minutes to ascertain that TK's rangeblock did not block an 'anonymous proxy', but, instead, blocked most, if not all, of the IP addresses used by Unity Media GmbH, which is a German ISP. So, it would seem, to all the Conservapedian eyes no doubt reading this, that rangeblock needa to be removed and an apology sent BRichtigen's way. Anyone here willing to lay odds on that actually happening, though? Zmidponk 17:43, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * CP doesn't deal in apologies - especially not for what is an established policy: The last range block of this ISP was lifted without a comment.
 * I suppose that BRichtigen will be surprised when he comes back from his block by Bugler, just to run in the one by TK *LOL* LArron 17:48, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * BRichtigen won't be at all surprised. It's more than likely that TK was targeting him the first time that IP range was blocked.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 17:54, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Christ, so he blocks several entire ISPs, plus many other places, like the Florida Institute of Technology, as 'vandals' and 'proxies' in order to get BRichtigen? I guess that he's the kind of guy that uses a howitzer to kill a fly. Zmidponk 18:12, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * He done it to me too. I'm trying to document some of TK's shenanigans here, but it's getting a bit out of hand. The more I dig, the more the of his shit I find. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 18:25, 28 December 2008 (EST)

A Big Holiday Thank You
I know that I don't often post here but I am a constant reader of this page and of CP. I am moved by the Christmas spirit to say a big thank you to all of RW and even to CP (which I like to regard, with some fondness, as something like a little internet ant farm) for all the joy and laughter that you have brought me over the past year. It has had more drama than a soap opera, more comedy than a Republican Vice-Presidential campaign, more intrigue than John Le Carre novel and more flat out lying and deception by CP editors than even an old hand like me has any right to expect. Encore! Bis!

I can see that I am a hopeless addict. Even now I wonder what fresh pleasures the new year will bring. Will Andy again be denied the Nobel prize? Passed over so that the committee can give the award to a less deserving but more liberal nominee? Will Bugler and RodWeathers finally pull of their parodist masks and reveal themselves for the world to see? Will any sane editors remain at CP by the end of 2009? (Hell, there are few enough now).

Anyway, thank you all. --Horace 18:18, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I really don't do any WIGO CPs, but on behalf of the mob (I'm sure they would agree), you're welcome. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:53, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Sir?
Wonder what Joshua Reynolds did to be the only titled Brit. in J.M.s list. Toast 18:26, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Bugler on FSTDT
At least one of Bugler's comments wound up on the Fundies Say the Darndest Things website. Does anyone know how many Conservapedia quotes are on the site? 18:56, 28 December 2008 (EST)


 * 75-100, currently. Someone's submitting a bunch of new ones. It's dangerous to trawl alone, take this. --Barikada, too lazy to sign in.
 * Thanks, Barikada.  23:14, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * I did a search for CP quotes and was interested to find one of the uglier things I've written as a sock on there. Here I thought it would be obvious parody and that I'd get blocked, but the sock is still un-blocked.  I've gotten sick of parodying CP, though, so I haven't used him in awhile.  Stile4aly 00:51, 29 December 2008 (EST)