User talk:LeftyGreenMario/Archive3

Have you heard of murdoch Murdoch
Have you?

What's your favorite console?
I'm just going to guess it's the Nintendo Switch? Public School Girl (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the Sega Genesis. Because the GENESIS DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T. 19:32, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well the GameCube has a really nice library of games. Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, Mario Party 6, Mario Party 7, Mario Superstar Baseball, Mario Strikers, DDR: Mario Mix, SSX On Tour, NBA Street V3, Luigi's Mansion, and Super Smash Bros. Melee. Oh, and there the critically overrated Paper Mario and the rightfully maligned Super Mario Sunshine. But there's no other console that has this many Mario games in one spot. Game Cube has a nice controller too, but with crappy shoulder buttons and D pad. 19:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hold up, you don't like the Paper Mario series? 23:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I haven't played a Paper Mario game, but I think Thousand-Year Door is overrated and has some stupid gameplay changes from the first one I don't like. I know this since my sister played it. I honestly should play first Paper Mario, though, and it's weird I don't play it since Mario's my favorite character. I also didn't play the Mario & Luigi games outside of Dream Team (though never finished Dream Team) even though it stars both my favorite characters. 00:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You should try Bowser's Inside Story and Superstar Saga from the M&L series. Those are two of my absolute favorite Mario games. Also, Super Paper Mario has a special place in my heart. 00:26, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Bowser's Inside Story, I'm not terribly interested in but it might not be as cluttered with tutorials that Dream Team is. I know I played a little of Superstar Saga but never to any serious extend. Not interested in Super Paper Mario, that game is really divisive in the Mario fanbase, you know that? I just know it has boring gameplay and I... don't buy the story either. 01:10, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Dream Team really doesn't display the best of the Mario & Luigi series. Trust me, the other two are much better. Also, Supra Pap Mayro gets a ton of nostalgia points from me, which is probably why I rank it so highly. 01:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Superstar Saga is better than Dream Team, as it's not saddled with tutorials and hand-holding. It looks uglier though. I also don't remember Bros. Moves being fun to use but again, I was like 10 or something and I'm probably overexaggerating what they are great for. I just need to find motivation to play and sustain playing it. I did play Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance recently and while I enjoyed it, it's hard to me to sustain attention on it, probably because some levels were missing Dragon Coins, which I've replayed several times looking for all five Dragon Coins in one run, and I don't know if I should keep looking or just hit some switches and backtrack (ugh) and that sort of thing drives me crazy. My nostalgia games would be Dario Dart: Mubble Cash, Mario Power Pennis, Buper Bash Sros Seele, and the Pario Marties. I do love Super Mario 64 DS, Muper Sario Malaxy, Super Mario 3D Terraqueous Macrocosm, and Super Mario Odd Cs though. 01:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Love me some Mayro Kratt, Galaxy, and 64DS. And Super Mario World on the GBA was my first ever real video game. I never got a Switch or WiiU, though, so I'm behind on the newer stuff. 01:34, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice, it's a great game. I like it more than the original SNES one because Mario makes noises (and Mario doesn't make noises in the games until some Mario edutainment game in 1995 called that predates Super Mario 64 by a year, and that's if you don't count the infamous 1994  Hotel Mario (that uses a fake voice actor who doesn't sound anything like Mario) or a  that predates Mario's FUNdamentals. In short of Mario being outed as a sexual predator in the heels of #MeToo, I think I'll be a Mario fan-for-life. Oh my god I sound like a nerd.
 * Anyway you should try some Switch games like Super Mario Odyssey, and Super Mario Maker 2 is upcoming (though I'm not disgustingly interested in it). There's also Super Smash Bros. Ultimate with just over a whopping 70 playable characters and an unbelievable 103 stages (which are very unique from each other). Mayro Kratt 8 is really good, you should play it if u wuv Mario and friends kart racing. That is, if you can stand the roster having 4 Marios (Mario, Baby Mario, Metal Mario, Tanooki Mario), 4 Peachs (Peach, Baby Peach, Pink Gold Peach, Cat Peach), 2 Luigis (Luigi, Baby Luigi), 2 Daisies (Daisy, Baby Daisy), 2 Rosalinas (Rosalina, Baby Rosalina), 2 Bowsers (Bowser, Dry Bowser), and the seven Koopalings. 01:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Heads up
Just a fair warning: be careful, because Artem S. Tashkinov‎‎ might decide to take you to "the court" for defamation. Although it's not been specified whether it will be a small claims court, a basketball court, or a food court. 00:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Gimme a moment, I need to tap Ms to create a fiery special shot for our unsuspecting BoNBoN. 00:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Heads-up re "interesting" profile page
Greetings, Mario, I am reporting from my janitorial duties in Room 202 and came across this profile in progress. Looks like possible concern trolling. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:Bkpsusmitaa Unsure how to handle? CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 02:19, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This looks like an Islamophobic Hindu nationalist. Hooo boy. Badger's Law too violated. 04:16, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Unblock me or else
I will drag you to all things in moderation of how I was censored for my unpopular opinions on how Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a bad game. 01:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Lefty, are you ok? 03:11, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You have escaped from prison before your sentence was served. You are a fugitive from the law and I will dispatch my henchmen shortly to come get you. — Oxyaena   Harass  05:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm fine now but I got censored by the mob for daring to say Paper Mario Sticker Star is an okay game but Bongolian deployed a rescue goat to save me, so here I am.
 * YOU'LL NEVER ESCAPE ME! scurries away on a Cheep Charger 22:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Super Mario Kart
‘Absolute rip-off, $100 for nothing’: Angry customers slam ‘appallingly organised’ real life Mario Kart event 20:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Lol, Batman and Superwoman, just when I thought Inklings were pushing the nonMario character promotions a little too far. Also, I have no idea if the person quoted was referring to an actual console, the Wii, which was literally two generations ago; the Wii U, the last generation console; or the Switch, just as how there are old geezers who call any portable gaming device a "Gameboy" or any nongamer that call any sort of gaming device a "Nintendo". 23:51, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My mother bought herself a DSi before handing it down to me after she got bored with it. Not once did she ever fail to refer to it as a GameBoy. 00:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you ever correct her? 03:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

It has to be pretty serious
For you to destroy the logs of what you were deleting. Is there some kind of informal "here's why I was burning everything" description you can give that doesn't present a risk to anyone? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It is pretty serious, I`m not comfortable giving out more info sorry. — Oxyaena   Harass  21:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which logs you are referring to but if I were to revdelete some edits on my own page, it's just so I don't have to see what trolls wrote on my talk page in my history. It's an attempt to deny troll attention. But for renaming users, I didn't delete the logs, Jinx deleted the rename logs. 22:18, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There wasn't any log entry for that, as far as I could tell. Sorry.  ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Now those recent renames regarding pedophilia were hidden. 19:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What's with the sudden push to delete shit off the rename logs? There's no reason for it. 22:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I had a look at the logs that were deleted and made yet another tweak to the edit filter... 22:39, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't normally hide stuff off rename logs unless particular language is used. Other than that, I didn't delete all the rename logs, just particular ones. I mean, you can check what they are if you try to change visibility. 00:25, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd say that doxing content should be removed from logs. In this case, someone has been attempting to harass LGM repeatedly, so it's probably reasonable to remove this from the logs as well, since it could be argued that it forms a residual harassment. Bongolian (talk) 00:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It wasn't doxing but I think logs of usernames that say or imply I'm a pedophile should be hidden. 00:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's reasonable since some anonymous troll is committing libel against you. Bongolian (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Morris?
I think I know who this idiot is lol. — Oxyaena   Harass  00:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, does it matter ultimately? It's that W.F. Tucker/RSY user on Discord. 00:40, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No, it's not me. Go kick rocks and stop accusing all of your trolls of being socks of me, TK Jr. KChance (talk) 00:45, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a good idea to continue that furious feud on my talk page. 00:47, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Pedants...
...get forced to read grammatically incorrect writing for ten hours as punishment for their pedantry. — Oxyaena   Harass  17:20, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I've already read grammatically incorrect writing for ten hours, just not all in one sitting. All the "it's" errors, all the "you're" errors, all the spliced commas, all the singular theys, all the misplaced modifiers, all the semicolons ending incomplete clauses, all the colons ending after incomplete clauses, and so on... 17:24, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The singular "they" is not grammatically incorrect. Languages also change regardless of the prescriptivist's screechings. — Oxyaena   Harass  17:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I hear the "languages change" a lot. Sure, languages change, but readers generally like to see the writing as their parents did. This is also not an excuse to write poorly and to ignore the lines between formal and informal writing (I consider the singular they to be "informal", far from a perfect solution, and that problems with pronouns can, many times, be resolved through rewriting the sentence or changing the subject to plural). Appropriate grammar isn't just for the sake of "the rules", it's to keep everything clear, concise, and easy to read, and in the mean time, the author has to consider the linguistic context of their readers. This makes prescription and description complement despite being apparent opposites. Anyhow, I'm not the type that'll get bothered between "fewer than" and "less than" and I'm not a purist type, I just have to accept whatever is being widespread. 18:02, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

You know what?
I am actually going to stop pointing out his tech abuse, because for one thing I don't benefit at all from him being stopped (it would keep him from using RW to harass me, but he will undoubtedly find somewhere else to do it anyway), and for another, this just makes him bullet proof because he is going to accuse anyone who ever challenges him as being a sock of me (90% of who he is accusing of being me is not me, by the way). KChance (talk) 00:43, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter much to me who you ultimately are. 00:48, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

What is your problem?
QUIT REVERTING ME. I'm not a "concern troll". I am 100% serious and just want an answer to my question. Why aren't you even willing to discuss this? Saravadji (talk) 21:09, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Which one are you again? 23:29, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I lost the password to my account. But I'm someone who keeps being reverted and banned because I dare to disagree with this site and try to debate your views. Most recently I've been being banned for daring to point out that white nationalists and neo-Nazis are an oppressed group who should be treated with respect.Saravadji2 (talk) 01:48, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I cry crocodile tears for you, dudeski. Bongolian (talk) 02:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Nutpicking
I can honestly say I made changes in good faith, in order to neutralize the tone and take away clear bias. Can you say the same? My changes affected both sides. Why then would you repeatedly revert, and in your words "reinsert bias", then protecting the page? Please read and be constructive, rather than ignore and act protective. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 207.223.116.154 / talk
 * Making changes in good faith is part of the thing. The other thing you're responsible for before making such a large edit is to review our Newcomer's guide. This will inform you about the nature of the wiki, that we adopt a point of view based on evidence and good reasoning and do not mince words if certain ideas do not hold up to scrutiny (such as the Tea Party movement and the TERFs). Another thing is that note that someone who undid your edit translates to that user finding the edit highly problematic. Simply undoing that revert leads to edit warring, which is highly frowned on in the wiki. Instead, you should contact the user and try to engage, and levy specific accusations of the content. The amount of bad-faith criticism of "it's biased" and "it's irrational" and "it's written in a POV I don't like" and criticisms levied at the simple name of the wiki is numerous and ongoing. We get that sort of criticism even for the clear-cut issues like homeopathy and flat earth. We also get similar edits like yours that remove large swaths of content in the name of "neutralizing" articles for all sorts of subjects too. Thus, it is impossible to tell from better-faith accusations of it, keep this in mind, thus making it more important to be specific with the accusations. You were specific with one accusation, being the "teabagger equating to slur". I believe it is an epithet but it does not carry quite the same connotations for other common slurs (for instance, the Tea Party movement is attacked for its exploitative dangerous beliefs and goals). The removal of TERF is not justified by anything either, which led to ikanreed assuming that you referred to "TERF" as a slur. Overall, your edits and justification didn't really support the content being removed, and so it's reverted. False and inaccurate accusations of "vandalism", which the accusations were referring to disagreeable content rather than bad-faith defacement of articles, also won't fly in the wiki. Don't do it again.  22:09, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Election
What's it like being on the Board of Trustees? Is it demanding? I'm trying to decide whether I should throw my name in for the election. 07:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, from my limited time, it's very low key, just have to attend meetings every four months or more? Hell, I've never been in one and I've been wanting some more notification, not sure if checking just email is enough. You have to check your email nevertheless. 08:20, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

MBFC
Just thought I would let you know that I thought the snark you added, then removed, in the Media Bias/Fact Check article was fair. They appear to give a default factual rating of high to a source unless it has failed a fact check. Here's a direct quote from their website which supports my view (and your snark): Although they sometimes publish controversial information regarding feminism and racism, they have not failed a fact, therefore we rate them High for factual reporting. This is clearly a flawed and irresponsible system since obscure websites don't always get fact checked. And it's not just Quillette, websites that deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre are also rated high for factual reporting. CowHouse (talk) 07:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, we should readd the snark but also add a new section that criticizes this site's tendency to rely on other fact checks for its rating that leads to misleading default rating of "high", and examples are Quillette and the aforementioned denial site. Just don't want to have snark all alone. But thanks for that! 17:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Dysk
Considering all that Dysk has done for the wiki, don't you think they can at least keep Ninja rights? — Oxyaena Harass  21:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I figure that since this behavior recently needs more monitoring, ninja is only indefinitely removed. It's not permanent, and I can give privileges again until the dust has been settled and the drama is over. 21:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's some weird shit going on with him, and I also think caution is the best response here. 22:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * From what I can get, Dysk called for a raid, the raid went far (but Dysk didn't actually do any of the offending things they were accused of, only that Dysk took responsibility for what the others did, which happened), the Uncyclopedia people blow it out of proportion, Dysk apologized and took responsibility but the Uncyclopedia people continue blowing it out of proportion, and they try to celebrate when I seemed to have done what they wanted by having Dysk banned and removed tools. 22:26, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * And their retaliation involved falsely accusing him of nasty stuff? 22:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's more of dishonest misrepresentation. Dysk's raid went far, but Dysk didn't actually do those nasty things, just that they felt that they were responsible for what the raid has done. 22:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright, it's good to have that cleared up. I'm not sure how much we can do except wait for this to blow over. 22:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping that the consequences are short-lasting and Dysk can resume business as usual. Dysk can always redemote themselves (since they have tech rights) if they've recovered from the stress, or at least they can request for user rights again in case they can't. And since it's cleared up, it's not really Dysk that wasted my time as much as the trolls did. Well played, trolls, gotta hand it to you. 22:45, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * They're doing it to Conservapedia too, which I have, uh, mixed feelings about. 23:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I feel, knowing Dysk personally, that I should throw my two cents in. The trolls in question have it out for Arthur, personally, they hate them, for reasons I'd rather not go into, but if one is morbidly curious enough can be found by scrolling through the archives, so I think it's for the best if Dysk left for the time being. — Oxyaena Harass  23:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry. 12:02, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings. 17:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Drive-by sea creature lectures me on "Same things both sides"
Why do you ban anyone who says something positive if things you hate? And why do you vandalize the headings people choose to use? What has this to do with being "rational"? And why call any person who says something you hate a troll? Are you aware that by these things you are only making people see your side as negative? I try to be neutral and see both sides but you sure try my indignation by offending me with this rude hostile attitude. 2600:1:F142:4F05:8EE2:C31:11D:58C1 (talk) 00:10, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Neutrality between killers and their victims is cowardice. Pick a side and live with it. 00:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Except one cannot always tell the difference from fact and rumor. And those who do irrelevant things like vandalize your comment heading seem questionable. And if course the other side says the same. So, one cannot always take sides. 2600:1:F142:4F05:8EE2:C31:11D:58C1 (talk) 00:23, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I will be blunt. I do not expect you to change your mind, not one iota. But, here's the thing. I personally am at risk from fascists. And so are you. When, not if they finally take power, do not expect rewards or gratitude. . You're a coward for endorsing political apathy, for kowtowing to fascists while people die at their hands. Save your platitudes for the children dying on the boarder. And when they move on to you, know this. I told you so. 00:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I will just say, I am no politician, and I merely am searching for the solutions. I have found in the world that things are often not two colors. And might arrive at the conclusion when I have confirmed the facts. 2600:1:F142:4F05:8EE2:C31:11D:58C1 (talk) 00:39, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The alt-right/Neo-nazis won't stop until we're all dead. Those are the facts. GOP politicians like Trump willfully encourage them. Those are facts. The solution? The system is broken, and the solution isn't to keep playing, it's to chuck the board aside and to beat the ever loving fuck out of the cheaters. They won't listen to reason, only force. So, either get results, or stop spouting platitudes. 00:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Questions so one-sided and loaded just serves to expose more of the intellectual dishonesty that's practiced here. 01:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I flat out don't care anymore. Either left wing politicians get results, or history will repeat itself (assuming humanity survives the incoming cataclysmic weather) once more. There really aren't any other options at this point. 01:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, not wasting time typing responses to these jaqers is a start. 00:44, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

hey lgm, i'll make a positive statement that you don't like so you'll ban me, okay?

mario kart 64 is well-received. same with galaxy 2. 03:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

"Reasonable"
Don't tell me what's reasonable. It's not unreasonable to what to walk anywhere outside your own home without being constantly on watch for some nutjob ready to kill people for some objectively trivial thing. It's not unreasonable to expect lawmakers to protect their citizens, even from said citizens' own stupidity. What is unreasonable is the fetishization of an object whose sole purpose, from its invention to the modern day, is to kill and maim living things. It is not unreasonable to expect people to give up their luxuries if said luxuries are a threat to society at large. So don't lecture me on what's reasonable and what isn't. Guns are for killing. And killing. And kill. Over and over. 23:12, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what gave you the idea I support murder. Or that what I said is insincere. The noun is spelled "liar" btw. Be well, GC. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:BD5D:3C9F:496E:B17 (talk) 23:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I hate guns a lot too, I share my complete resentment with them. But I can't say the BoN you're arguing with is anything more than a moderate on the issue. I can't say for sure or not if the user is dishonest or not, but I still have my benefit of doubt and I think civility will be more productive to conversation and help us advance our points. There is a difference between bending backward for civility and being civil so others don't react defensively and others can actually focus on your points. This assumes intellectual honesty, which hasn't been exhausted yet. 00:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

You seem unwell
Perhaps Dr. Amigo can help? 23:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ONLY ONE MARIO CAN HAVE GREEN EYES. AND MARIO ALWAYS WEARS GLOVES.
 * Btw, while the voice actor in that promotional video is an impersonator, do you know that Mario's current voice actor is multilingual?
 * 23:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Y'know, I always assumed that Martinet was French. 01:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * He has French ancestry, yeah, but his nationality is American. Charles Martinet does know French and Spanish, but doesn't know much Italian. 02:28, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * He has French ancestry, yeah, but his nationality is American. Charles Martinet does know French and Spanish, but doesn't know much Italian. 02:28, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Complex life didn't arrive by chance
Hiya mate - hey I just wanted to discuss this claim of yours a bit more. This was on the talk page of the "improbably things happen all the time" article. And yeah, I didn't think a discussion on evolution was appropriate on that page.

By this I assume you mean that the evolutionary theory of natural selection is a system and not just some roll of the dice. Environments change for example, traits that are more suitable are kept or even developed when members of that group with traits that are not helpful die. I get all that. Its a system. But I think a problem you may have is that the system depends on chance still? Without getting into meaningless discussions like "is anything really random" - even things like the environment changing or influences that drive natural selection are pretty much chance? And the mutations or other mechanisms of trait development (most of which will be thrown out as not beneficial according to the theory) are based on chance?

So can you really say complex life didn't arrive by chance then?

Paul
 * I think technically, evolution needs degrees of chance to start. You can't have evolution without life starting somewhere, which probably requires chance, and how our species arrived communicating here historically has a myriad of factors of chance such as life surviving asteroid collisions, freak volcanic eruptions, our mothers not miscarrying, beneficial chance mutations, wars and diseases not destroying our ancestors, and so on. But as a system, yes, evolution isn't driven by chance, it's just a mechanism. It can be hugely affected by chance, just that chance just isn't, like, a core mechanic. I think it's not wholly correct to argue that complex life arrived by chance or not, it's more of natural selection + a taste of chance, a combination. For all intents and purpose, though, some caveats have to be cleared so I can focus on my main point: that creationists thinking that complex life is improbable; therefore, evolution can't have happened and we respond with "improbable things happen". Oh, by the way, sign with ~ after your post. 00:02, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Why the reversion?
Seems a perfectly reasonable piece of news to me Aloysius the Gaul 01:01, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, I was browsing mobile and my thumb hit revert. :( 06:17, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Meeting on Sunday 6 October, right?
I feel bad that you were all ready to have a meeting without me. It will be happening on Sunday 6 October, right? Spud (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it should be delayed next week. I saw an email wanting it to be this Sunday, so yeah, better if everyone is involved. 18:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey
What gives in the Saloon Bar? I was trying to help YOU out. You raised a good question on Mueller/talk, until you you started acting like an asshole. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 02:26, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * All I saw was a guy being condescending and went full red herring on someone else's thread about the Mueller thing and continued to be condescending after I removed the comment. 19:33, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you contribute to the 'Traditional Korean medicine' document?
I curse and hate oriental medicine very much, but many Koreans don't seem to think TKM so badly. But I don't know much about TKM. Can you contribute if you know any information? sorry..--BluePink (talk) 08:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Not really, it seems like there's overlap with tcm like acupuncture as far as I know. 19:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay. If you know anything, please contribute to the document!--BluePink (talk) 02:36, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Possible issues with Handroid7
I know you've used the approach of charity so far with this user, and I try to assume good faith myself, but something may need to be said or done in light of certain edits that do not appear entirely to further the RatWiki mission. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 23:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I just removed their edits from the fat acceptance page. we can not be on board with all that goes on under fat acceptance but we don't need the fat shaming nor the cataloguing of irrelevant situations. I also removed an edit from the circumcision page by this user. they might merit a quite word. AMassiveGay (talk) 00:25, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I did not realize it was inappropriate. I thought that this sarcastic tone was appropriate here, and I thought I'd just document an example for a behaviour of a fat-acceptance, and that case actually got a lot of news attention. More information here. But please elaborate on this revert. If I do any presumable mistakes, please let me know directly on my discussion page or use template:reply instead of “behind my back”. Thanks. 01:00, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * “approach of charity” – Does that mean that it was just reluctant acting and not authentic niceness? 01:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not a moderator, and therefore it is not my place to have such discussions with you. Charity is another way of expressing the good-faith assumption in the Conduct portion of the Community Standards. I am afraid I do not entirely understand your last question. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 01:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't really like the language you attempted either since it's not relevant to the fat acceptance movement and it appropriates the language by the fat acceptance movenet to make it seem like we're fat shaming.
 * I also don't think your edit on circumcision adds to the article either nor is it in spirit with rationality. Common sense actually is a poor way of reasoning since it doesn't rely on logic and evidence to make conclusions, just intuition which logic sometimes exposes as seriously flawed.
 * And finally, no, this doesn't mean it was "reluctant acting". I'm genuine in my respect and benefit of doubt but we're an open wiki where too many people have tried to exploit goodwill to incite or waste time so don't take it personally if we haven't exactly established trust yet; earning trust takes time and effort. Your edits may have raised a few eyebrows but as long as the parties that revert your edits are being respectful and reasonable while you also try to present your case with respect and goodfaith, you'll be fine. 01:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for explanation. I thought common sense and logic partially overlap each other. Would it be correct, if it were ?  01:52, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we should adopt more of a "show don't tell approach" to these sorts of things. If the logic is obvious, then let the article do that and we don't need to clutter the notes section with a sentence we don't need. 03:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

u deleted my page
why? off mission? Sorbekiaza192 (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Rationalwiki is not a general encyclopedia. We only accept articles that in some way contribute to our mission. If you have your heart set on making a page about ducks, might be a good option for you.  23:33, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Even if it was on mission, the article was a zero effort stub. 23:50, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you supplement the document?
Joshua Wong. This man is risking his life for the freedom of Hong Kong citizens. If you know anything, I want you to contribute! --BluePink (talk) 12:00, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've made a few expansion here and there. I know the events that lead to Blizzard suspending a Heartstone player for being supportive of pro-Democracy, but I'll probably read more about it. 21:07, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I know it's only an hour
But "Edit warring, take it to the talk page" seems like a silly block reason for someone who only editted talk pages. They weren't rude or unreasonable to me. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * GrammarCommie tried collapsing the thing and then that turned into an edit war, and GrammarCommie did warn that user that something will happen for one hour. User didn't listen to the warning and then, pop, a short block with still user page access, which the user immediately use to complain. So IMO that's fine, tried to be as light as possible and that result satisfies me. Dunno why GrammarCommie protected the page right after. Usually don't protect things since it locks the page from other BoNs. 18:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair. I missed that somehow.  ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I protected the page because whatstheirface was using a proxy IP to evade the block and continue edit warring. Again, it was only for an hour. 18:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well just straight out 9hour min ban this user now for ban evading. 18:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Gamergate Timeline
After checking wikipedia a few months ago, I saw this. It seems that Pitts got into a twitter argument with Zoe Quinn about an old Gamergate article back in February and shortly afterwards left The Escapist. And in July, Nick Calandra (Managing Director of Video) took his place.

Shouldn't this be mentioned on the timeline? Also, what's with people accusing Quinn of having to have cheated on Gjoni?

I copy-pasted this from Duce's page, since he told me that you would know more about it or atleast know someone who knows more about it. Tinribmancer (talk) 12:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Late response. I guess? I actually don't follow GamerGate drama because it often causes me to spill whatever I ate out into my brain. 16:34, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Bear in mind
Adopting 'an attitude of sweet reasonableness while kicking trolls in the shins' is not the same as feeding them. Anna Livia (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You can attempt this when benefit of doubt still runs thin, but once time takes off the mask, then I think it's our cue to ignore and move on, not pose more questions. 17:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

2019 moderator nomination
-- Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 01:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Meat only diet
(continuing here since JP's talk page is locked because of vandalism)

"Then, we can add that when asked directly, he doesn't endorse it"

Ok, you can add it. I'm fine with the other changes you made. Tokyo (talk) 09:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ? Tokyo (talk) 14:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies. Forgot about it until late last night when I was already in bed. I added that information this morning. 18:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

A few words of thanks
Thank you for the endorsement. I was surprised, a bit. You commented that I don't engage enough? I would appreciate any future suggestions on what I could do to improve your opinion of me on that score. About ikanreed: I have tried to avoid hostilities, and I really don't mind him all that much. I can't imagine that changing much in the future. I expect I will continue to regard him as the left hand of our dominant ideology. I'm from New England. I don't complain about the weather anymore either. Thanks again.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. The most I've (recently) seen you do is engage on Jordan Peterson (even when I was off-handedly mentioning it just for the sake of justifying strike-out). and trying to be fair to him (yeah you helped amend one part of the section to your credit), so I do like to see you do other different topics. 18:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. Also, you can always ask for help if needed.Ariel31459 (talk) 19:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ol' Captain
Their posting style reeks of UT's, right down to using italics to quote sections to respond to. Strange.... — Oxyaena Harass  16:13, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's him. So what? This really isn't you, is it? Some trolls change their ways.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * UT was permabanned by coop vote (RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive90), so it would matter as far as ban evasion. Bongolian (talk) 18:24, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, that. I don't know if that was completely serious. If UT had spoken in his own favor the conglomerate vote would have been a tie. I would say he left voluntarily. And you let a tech sysoprevoke him as if that would end the matter with any solemn finality. I don't mind that he left and I don't care if he comes back.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This is paranoia. I'd wait until my benefit of doubt has been exhausted first before heading off with those accusations which aren't good for new users. If I'm tricked but I end up having a conversation, then it's no loss to me. But if I end up wasting time debating points that are repeatedly misunderstood, then I'll act but still no loss for me because at least I tried. 19:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Can you contribute to the Shinzo Abe document?
From your contribution to the Shintaro Ishihara document, you seem to know a lot about the Japanese far right.

I think it would be more neutral for Westerners to contribute documents related to the Japanese extreme right since I am a Korean.

Since I am not good at English, I hope you will contribute much to the Wingnut aspect of Abe's creed in the document.--BluePink (talk) 11:33, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well not Japan particularly but the far right. It seems like Japan has been well infested in right-wing nationalism before Trump came into power. 19:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

A personal note
Although I was aware that some anti-progressives giggle at the use of that word, still I had thought of it as a fairly neutral, almost technical term for a certain kind of language or topic-related reaction (over reaction?). In general, anyone who objects to particular words should be given consideration. I like to be direct, although I have occasionally been known to dress up a narrative with extravagances for a variety of motives. But I don't think making people uncomfortable is a good idea for productive conversation.Ariel31459 (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "Trigger" isn't that, I'm afraid. It refers to a stimulus or stimuli that causes a person to recall a traumatic event and physically puts them in a level of stress and anxiety as if they're reexperiencing the event. For instance, the act of people raising their voices in argument, even in a movie, makes me feel more fighty or flighty and disturbed because I've experienced an abusive parent. The "anti-PC" love to throw it around to offend and diminish that experience so I just want you to keep in mind about vulnerable people these "anti-PC" people are harming. 18:22, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. I was unaware that its main use referred directly to trauma. Good to know.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

BoN talks back to a grown-up
You seem very rational to me! I did not realise rationlwiki was under the leftist brigade... I'm outraged, half of your references in the articles don't even reference anything substantial or don^t even work. it's all just to discredit a Ph.D.'s work to further your own political agenda, how dishonorable. you are still young mario you might learn with time that silencing your ideological opponents is maybe not the best way to solve problems. I'm leftwing by the way, you are probably not even born from "workers" parents you just try to have a moral high ground lol have fun in live I'm going to be back to delete the diffamations

What is wrong
Why is everyone removing my question? I want to know the answer, this is important because I aspire to be an activist and political canvasser so I need to know what to do. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Dasnahmynay / talk / contribs
 * We get a lot of people who ask the same question and you going into weird detail about some girl you met. 05:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

What am I missing?
I can be wrong - and sometimes am. But why are we infinitely banning people on suspicion of ban evasion? What am I missing? AceMcWicked 02:12, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * What level of suspicion are you objecting to? I think that people have been permabanned for suspicion of ban evasion since as long as I've been here (2014). As I've said before, I think that the idea of permanent bans is a misnomer. If someone wants to come back after a permaban and not repeat their previous pattern of bad behavior, they're not likely to get rebanned. Bongolian (talk) 02:25, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You can identify a pattern of editing by a user we've banned long ago via Chicken Coop decided from a post in All things in moderation. This user has been reregging constantly under several accounts to stir the pot. I identify this user with the combination of following elements: bland, generic username/minimal userpage. Registers to post immediately accusations of users being socks of mikemikev or ABD (the former accusing Tokyo of being a mikemikev being a complete dead giveaway; this user has accused Spud of being a mike sock in RationalWikiWiki according to Spud in the Chicken Coop link). While not this time, but this user is usually involved with hereditarianism drama (generally name-dropping Emil Kirkegaard/ABD/mikemikev/Noah Carl/Nathan Cofnas) and drags drama here by name-dropping (redacted), EK (in this case has smeared EK again), and Dyskelver. 02:31, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to be a dick to either of you - I am just always slightly confused when I see a ban for block evasion when we don't possess Checkuser. Also I have never liked the idea of infinite bans. AceMcWicked 05:28, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There was a discussion about implementing checkuser a while ago, and the majority was against it. I don't remember the argument against it, but there seemed to be a longstanding opposition to it, predating my time here. Bongolian (talk) 06:18, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Obviously I meant "I'm not trying to be a dick to either of you" but that said - checkuser should never be used here. Part of RW's founding ethos was anonymity so I think we should do our best to keep it that way. And the reason I query these blocks is because it is very easy to just block for the reason "ban evasion" and as questions later. Something that has bothered me for some time. AceMcWicked 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So, are you thinking of proposing something? I suppose we could try to require people to explain their block-evasion bans, but if we do that thoroughly, it would tend to tip off the blockee as to how to evade better. Bongolian (talk) 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * To be honest - it is what I have said every time....Don't feed the troll. The people that have ended up being blocked indefinitely have usually done nothing wrong except being suspected socks. A block for 3 days is usually enough. Just leave the trolls alone - use the collapse template. Seriously, this sites trolling problem is nothing compared to what it was 8 - 9 years ago. AceMcWicked 07:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh lol I took the "I'm trying to be a dick to you" as entirely facetious and typical Ace being Ace. Abrasive, or should I say, "abr-ace-ive". None taken. Anyhow, edit summaries can kinda suck since there's no way I can really write a paragraph justifying my reasons for ban evading and it can be hard to trace the date of the block to the date where I justify in detail, but I don't mind justifying it just as long as you're being reasonable. Oh, and I just want to say, the lack of CheckUser was useful that one time (from the last RMF meeting) that authorities from New Zealand asked us for particular information and we had to turn up zero because we don't have that information, and I'm sure it has to do with us not having CheckUser. David Gerard can probably fill in anything I missed but that's the gist of it. But a tangible positive consequence should help convince people that the lack of CheckUser got us off pretty good.
 * (EC): I mean Ass Cello's (because I can't spell "Aeschylus" while that nickname has been used over "Oliver Smith") entire gimmick revolves around repeating these patterns (which got him blocked in the first place). He does try to mix things up by pretending he's another person, but any time he engages in that gimmick he'll get knocked. If he doesn't engage in the gimmick, might as well be a different person. They're obssessive. Those socks can try operating as a different person entirely, and that'll take a ton of effort making at least unique userpages and meaningful conversations and mainspace edits, but as long as they behave, they'll be fine or they'll screw up in another way (and we'll win anyway since they contribute something positive). 07:02, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 *  Oh, and I just want to say, the lack of CheckUser was useful that one time (from the last RMF meeting) that authorities from New Zealand asked us for particular information and we had to turn up zero because we don't have that information, and I'm sure it has to do with us not having CheckUser. David Gerard can probably fill in anything I missed but that's the gist of it. Tell me more, email me if you want - mine is linked here. But year - we don't need checkuser. Never have needed it. AceMcWicked 07:09, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * David Gerard has handled it mostly, I'm just working from my memory, and we know human memory sucks, but yeah you can talk to him about it. :P 07:15, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you implying it was me they were interested in because that’s fucking weird of you to do so. AceMcWicked 07:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I thought you wanted more of a reason for us to lack CheckUser... 07:26, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * We don’t have checkuser because we don’t need it. It’s easily used and abused. Secondly you’re being weirdly threatening in a passive way. Why? AceMcWicked 07:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I've been in the middle of this whole mikemikev situation for a while now. I had suspicions that the guy was making socks. This guy has been at it for YEARS. I think it's 100% okay to ban users out of suspicion for being mikemikev. He must have 100 sock accounts. After seeing him doing the same crap over and over again, it gets old. The guy is truly obsessed. 07:51, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I also have no objections to infinite banning people we suspect to be mikemikev. If they decide to clean up their act, they then can easiliy ban evade. However, it's very evident they only sign up to fixate on Kirkegaard and friends. 07:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to be threatening? I must be communicating something wrong since it's so easy to misread intent here. You said CheckUser isn't needed, I brought up a time where the lack of CheckUser helped us (i.e. I used an example to reinforce your point on CheckUser), then you said something I interpreted as "oh really? please tell me more, you can talk to me through my email if needed"? Which I tried to say, "sure you can talk to me through email but I don't have precise details on that New Zealand authority thing; David Gerard has dealt with the New Zealand authority firsthand so if you really want details then he's a better person to ask". I don't know who's "they" but you're not involved in that conversation. 08:15, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * WTF dude. AceMcWicked 08:51, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

it is established from technical logs here, from their editing while logged out here, from their wikipedia activity where there is checkuser, and from other wikis and sites where userdata is available, that Aeschylus uses a different VPN or proxy instance for each account and therefore checkuser would be entirely useless because they dont reuse IP addresses. note that Aeschylus, mikemikev, and the other trolls like DMorris are all infinitely banned therefore when they register a new account the same ban duration is applied. to detect the socks is as LGM explained normally very easy but behavior and evidence is recorded and compared on discord so its not like random EK (talk) 10:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Human judgement exists, Ace, you should try it sometime. — Oxyaena Harass  13:24, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Mikeyboi in particular is easy to spot because he's completely incapable of acting like a non-disgusting human being. 14:14, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Can you supplement the document?
Yellow Fever

I don't know American subculture well, so it would be nice if you could help me.--BluePink (talk) 11:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure. The stereotype of east Asians in the United States shows them as conforming, passive, subservient, overly modest (like women covering their mouths when they laugh), strongly tied to their families, being bad drivers (honestly everyone is bad as the other but I do have negative impressions more on young men that drive flashy cars) and "they all look the same" (never mind I think I can tell Chinese from Korean better I can from the "white" ethnicity and I can tell Chinese from Korean if they talk though determining nationality/ethnicity is always tricky to me). Of course, there's a grain of truth to it like the Chinese do care a lot about the family and respect the elderly but imo some stereotypes surprise me like Asian women having "silky hair". 00:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I've always considered rednecks with those giant trucks to be the worst drivers. It goes double for the ones with truck nuts. 02:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I tend to give them a very wide berth. If you advertise yourself with reckless disregard with goddamn truck nuts, I'm going to treat you as a person with reckless disregard in general. 23:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Checkuser
Hey man, Oxy has admitted using his tech powers to run checkuser. I thought that was a big no-no here and the mob had frequently voted it not to be used. This is concerning. AceModerator 01:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no clue how to run it, Emblyn does. What's concerning is that you're willing to have a dialog with a known cyberharasser and stalker with a fetish for murdering cheerleaders. — Oxyaena Harass  01:37, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait, you can't "run" checkuser if checkuser isn't even installed. I've used checkuser on another wiki before, this one simply doesn't have it... 01:39, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oxy admitted it though? So is it being used or not? AceModerator 01:40, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oxy said it's exaggerated. But either way, you *can't* use it because it's a MediaWiki function that's not installed on this wiki. But if there's a way to mine IP addresses from a user, then that's another thing all together. 01:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That doesn't explain the screenshot Em sent me. — Oxyaena Harass  01:43, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So Oxy, just made it up to "exaggerate"? That doesn't fill me with any confidence. AceModerator 01:45, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Relaxing song
22:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Haha I love it. I was listening to it a few times already and I'm dying. I put it in my phone so I can hear it in my car. Tbh I think I like the energy by Toad more than the lady in the original song. This song's also stuck in my head sometimes, lol. 23:30, 30 November 2019 (UTC)