Talk:Armoured Skeptic/Archive1

Generally disappointed in him
I just don't get where all this suddenly interest in taking down feminism has come from. He keeps making strawmen and denying things, misrepresenting facts and just finding easy targets in people who don't word their meaning that great. So what? A few assholes Dox him and almost get him fired, suddenly all modern feminism is evil and needs to be demolished? Honestly, he's recently put up a video that ends claiming Zootopia is Anti-Feminism, when it isn't in the slightest and he comes up with a dozen ridiculous strawmen about what he thinks feminism is to prove his point. The usual stuff, that Feminists are professional victims constantly complaining about the system and how they want the world to completely alter itself for them. Never mind, Judy wants to change the world in the movie, make it better. I imagine anyone working on the movie would tell AS off for suggesting they intended to comment at all about feminism or what it stood for.

He went from one of my favorite youtubers, to a person I just can't stand anymore.&mdash; Unsigned, by: 69.156.128.116 / talk / contribs
 * To be honest, as much as I don't like his hatred of feminism and the series of videos on it, I'm not sure I can entirely blame him for it. "A few assholes Dox[ing] him and almost get[ting] him fired" is a big fucking serious deal (and if you don't see why, you don't understand online abuse). Some assholes took something we all consider extremely important -- his personal privacy -- and destroyed it by directly attacking his personal life and his livelihood. People respond differently to being attacked like this; in the case of ArmouredSkeptic, he swung the way of Thunderf00t. I'll still be watching his videos, but not the ones he does on Feminism.
 * And yeah, I didn't see the Zootopia one yet, but I've no idea how you get "anti-Feminist" from it. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 22:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * TBH doxing is a good excuse for turning on a group -- though he fails to realize that his now-favored antifeminist crowd is, if anything, more prone to it.
 * Zootopia: Hell, I'm pretty sure the police force on that movie was almost all male anyway. Seems like she's defying gender (and species) norms, decidedly a feminist idea. 23:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm not saying he shouldn't feel angry or upset. If someone did that to me I would feel pissed off too. Especially if it was something that could've just been explained to him better. If someone bothered to better explain what Rape Culture was instead of reacting in a shitty manner things might have turned out different. But having an excuse doesn't justify believing shit that is wrong or labelling all Feminists as some horrible divisive force that intends to ruin everything. I mean, if a bunch of Mexican Migrants beat me up or some Black Kids in hoodies trashed my car, is it fair to then label all those people a threat to me? Is it fair to every innocent person who had no relation to that crime to be treated with contempt? This is a lesson Judy learns in Zootopia, she had a terrible experience with a Fox as a kid, it colored her perception however subtle, and while she tried to convince herself it didn't affect her and she was free of such bias, she only discovered too late that she was pretty quick to make a rash judgement however justified and reasonable it seemed. AS was wronged, I won't argue that, but I can no longer watch him descend into this quagmire he's decided to throw himself in. If he can't even bring himself to trust Joss Whedon's own words about why he left Twitter then he has a problem. He has pathological need at this point to keep the blame on feminism and never see the bad in anyone who opposes it. I will not support that, I just can't. (As for Zootopia and Feminism, while Judy's predicament is centered more on her species than her gender it can be viewed somewhat in terms of her being a female. Bunnies are predicted as smaller, weaker and generally not suited to a job that requires stronger and bigger animals. So yeah, kinda the same arguments people use to say women shouldn't be cops, so Judy can still be viewed as a feminist icon in that sense. She just happens to be a girl so it helps sell the point further. seriously, you could probably write a whole book on Zootopia's many facets concerning, authority, stereotypes and prejudices.)
 * Yup. I wonder how different Armoured Skeptic's viewpoint would have been had he, after being spurned from the Atheism+ group, found a another pro-feminist group that actually spent time explaining, instead of getting angry. Mm. An argument for being nice to all newcomers, eh. 16:18, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You're forgetting the elephant in the room, FCP. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Uh? 21:11, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, you said "Almost". Nevermind. Was trying to make joke about that gag they did during the first squad room scene. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 17:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What I thought was totally the opposite. I feel like he's hidden the truth of a lot of things, & only reveals them when he feels he would still get support. I'm not saying he's lying about being doxed, but for example when he originally said that he was "called a rape apologist," he neglected to mention the fact that it was because he denied that "drunk sex is in any way a form of rape." That detail only came out later, after he got a lot of positive reaction to his antifeminist views. That doesn't exactly sound like someone who was devoted to social justice, as he claims he was. So who knows how much of his story is altered or omitted to paint himself in a positive light? In my opinion, this isn't "sudden," this is the truth coming out.67.234.50.108 (talk) 22:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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Don't understand it. 19:11, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Neither did I. (Seems my original comment died) 20:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC)