User talk:Human/Archive18

But it had good spelling! =(
After looking at the revert and combing through the text, I could only find one spelling error, and minor at that. Did I miss a couple (allding was supposed to be allUding). I also rest a bit confused with the sudden change in the headline qualifier, and if need be, I can produce a source for my claims, check it out (and it's kinda creepy, one part) here you go. =).
 * (psst, your moments of ludcidity thing is moving with the page...)
 * Sorry, without the diff I'm too lazy to look it up. I changed the header to negate that the Bible may have relatively "correct" history in it.  History is easy to record.  Science actually takes work.  Your link is not exactly substantive, it's just a website claiming what you claim.  By the same token, many events in the Bible have never been "shown" to be true, either.  But thanks for coming here to argue your case with me, I am not trying to muzzle you...  ħ uman  23:23, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (Psst, it's supposed to!)
 * Well, even a stopped clock is right two times a day. If the bible covers 5000 or so years, than I suppose being right four times demonstrates even less accuracy than a stopped clock. Never really thought of that bout of irony. A small problem exists with trying to find scientific accuracy, however. The bible isn't exactly a scientific work. There are, admissibly, MOUNDS of blatent inaccuracy, but trying to find accurate science in a fairy tale is like trying to find a needle in an ring factory, the two just don't combine.
 * True - the only reason we even "entertain" the idea is one thing we are doing is debunking fundamentalists who think all the "science" that matters is... in the Bible. We have an article somewhere I copied a table of "biblical scientific predictions" from a, um, "science" textbook I own.  ħ uman  16:01, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

You should
Put a white bit between the floating things so that it looks nicer. Marginally Less Chaos!Audacity! 16:12, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I got rid of one, so I'm not sure what you meant anymore...  ħ uman  16:16, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Me neither :( Marginally Less Chaos!Audacity! 16:19, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

We're trying to have an edit war here. Stop making legitimate contributions.
This is ur first warning :P 18:51, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You do lots of small edits. Why is that? 20:18, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I find lots of small things that need fixing? I also tend to edit a section at a time to reduce EC's and load time.  Why do you ask?  ħ uman  21:40, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Because I do tend towards boredom. 21:43, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

There's a spammer in the forums....
who can blockz him? Sterilesnore! 11:49, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Where? Can't see anything. 11:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone must have already fixed it and deleted the posts, since I see no new activity there.  ħ uman  14:53, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He seems to be a very quiet spammer.[[Image:Th_unsure.gif]]--Bobbing up 14:56, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If the spanner fits... it must be the right nut...  ħ uman  14:59, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I took care of it earlier. 15:21, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

(Whew, thought I was going nuts...) Anyhow, see you all in a week... (VACATION!) Sterilesnore! 15:48, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Mmmmm Nachos
God damn nAchos. ThanKs for fixing mE typos. You are good human. Ace McWickedInteresting 23:42, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Num num num, nachos! Yr welkom. No big deal.  ħ uman  23:44, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I tell ya though, beer and nachos sorted me right out. Hell yes. Ace McWickedInteresting 23:49, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Er, "beer" = "hair of the dog", eh? Nachos, they be yummy, num num num...  ħ uman  23:52, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hair of the dog is the way to go my friend. Get back on track again, face the world with a new vigour! Ace McWickedInteresting 23:55, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Challenge
I challenge you to a game of skill. 23:56, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * A game of skill you say? Hmmm what did you have in mind? I am quite the chess player and I was pretty good at Quest For Glory - So You Want to be a Hero. Ace McWickedInteresting 23:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Chess is not my game, although I love it. How about the game of moderating games between other editors, and still struggling to be "funny" - or at least original?  How about Texas Hold 'Em?  ħ uman  00:01, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)You must assemble five varieties of classic paper aeroplanes. 00:01, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Er, um, huh Ace McWickedInteresting 00:06, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I declare myself the victor. 00:07, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Anyway, KAOS, you loserzor, what was your original intent?  ħ uman  00:09, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * To amuse myself. I had no real idea of the challenge's specifics.
 * Bye! ^_^ 00:13, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Er, ok. :)  ħ uman  00:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Main Page
Would you be willing to mock up a new design for the main page with the new WIGO on top? 01:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I did that recently, but was asked to undo it. Therefore I claim ownership of this idea. 01:20, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "What he said" looks fine to me.  ħ uman  01:25, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Okay, I put it here but something about it just doesn't look right. 14:00, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What bothers you about it? It looks fine to me?  ħ uman  17:39, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "Off balance" is the best way I have to describe it, I think it might be related to how the left hand side visual forms 3 boxes with the third box starting horizontally aligned in side WIGO box. But I am not a graphic designer/layout person, it just seems...wrong. 18:48, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, I see what you mean. I guess the top section and the RFA/portals sections should be in their own sub-boxes?  I'll tinker with your sandbox version.  I might also color the lower left box orange (to balance out the purple and green!).  ħ uman  19:11, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

see User:Human/sandbox5  ħ uman  22:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

getting there
I'm working on my assignment, slowly but surely.-- -PalMD -- 21:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks!  ħ uman  21:12, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Work is hard.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 23:58, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Looking good, though, from what I saw. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:37, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree with keeping links onsite. I had the link for myself and forgot to clip it...sorry.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 02:25, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The house we rented up north is full of mice and their shit...very long night cleaning, setting traps, etc. Hope I helped...Must sleep now, despite rustlings behind wall.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 02:29, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Good luck with the mice - perhaps you can just live with them? (Although the poop & pee is rather smelly...).  You helped a lot, thanks so much for popping in for the fix-up. Enjoy your trip! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:05, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I've done absolutely nothing on my assignment. Was busy jousting with windmills trying to make Andy understand history. Sorry. -- 05:59, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Collapse Comment
You've seen RationalWiki:Collapsible Comment System/testmk11ideas‎, I take it? 15:28, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * H, we've been at it for hours see RationalWiki talk:Collapsible Comment System/testmk11ideas‎ 15:31, 3 August 2008 (EDT)]
 * Susan, you just linked to the same place twice in a row... hehe... you guys must be wiped out. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:33, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No- one's "TALK" 15:34, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, ok.... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:34, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And it's 99.9999999999999999999$% Jeeves 15:37, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hahahaaha, you means "Jeeves rev. 2.0"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:39, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Same old Jeeves - think he fogot his PW or something. :-) 15:44, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I CAN HAZ SYOP POWERZ? Vandal 22:27, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Probably not yet, no. As long as you call them "powerz" you might not understand how they work here... but TANKS FOUR AKSING!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:55, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

You're a bit tetchy today, aren't you?
Was it that I poisoned your shaving foam? That was legitimate satire! 00:01, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, just bored of your not-so-funny-but-very-active-verging-on-trying-to-make-RW-your-own-little-ED stuff... Just not amused, is all. As in, "you're not very funny, so why don't you turn it down a notch?"  Wait until you actually have another bright idea to execute.  I'm sure one will turn up soon - they always do. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:04, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Are you talking about the homosexual mountains thing? 00:11, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * By the way, I might point out you yourself do the notch-too-high-humour thing fairly frequently. In all-caps. 00:15, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oops. I did that thing where you never actually say the most important bit:
 * Sorry. 00:27, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No blood, no foul... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:52, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And it takes a true invertebrate to apologize. I forgot to recognize and and appreciate that.  Mostly what I do here is add commas... is a comma one of your colony's somethingphytes? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:34, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * All part of the service ^_^ But about the somethingphytes thing -- is it possible you're mistaking jellyfish for Siphonophorae? Radioactive Man made that mistake at one point... but then, he was the only one who noticed.
 * Awesome fact I've just learned: a group of jellyfish is called a "smack"! I have to put that in one of my signatures... 09:57, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There's also: Smuth, Studk - Typo in source Stuck and Fluther. 10:16, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

AOTW
Moved in the new one, I encoded DPL into the actual extension, thoughts? 00:58, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * My only thought, looking down the road, would be to have a link to "previous weak articles", and that article would dpl or (manually) list the previous contenders (and some of their stats?). But I think what you have done is fine, it will be a while before there are too many listed and we have to simplify.  Oh, it should say "Previous weak articles:" or "Previous weaks:"  Gotta wank that meme! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:14, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay I can change the wording, I originally had it in there but thought it was too repetitive. When the day comes that we have too many to list like that I will create my "search" index for it. I am playing with a stats program here will be adding graphing and maybe a Tukey test. At the moment its just average and standard deviation. 01:19, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Repetitive? Perhaps. But it's our joke, our meme, and our "get out of jail free" card if we don't do a new one every weak.  Also, when you "computerize" it, can you at least make it so I can edit the "text" parts without breaking the semicolons? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:24, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Big News
I just wanted to let you know that RW now contains now just the most comprehensive and concise set of material on literature worldwide and throughout history, but that (thanks to you!) we also have the most concise treatment of literary criticism as well! You can see it here! I have checked our Google rankings for "RationalWiki literature concise worldwide complete efforts pretty language", and while we're already probably at number seven for the results: and no doubt moving up! Also, I have a source at a major atheist website that tells me that something big is probably going to happen to boost our reach soon!--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 04:47, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I just don't know what to say, other than to thank the Academy, my voice teacher, my parents, and all the little people who helped along the way (know them by my footprints on their heads). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  05:07, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You're welcome. 18:28, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

New main page design
Feels a lot better to me, so now the only issue to be resolved is color coding, which I am out on. Suggest casually dropped on user talk pages of people who show a keen ability to do design work for any suggestions. Or if you are thinking it is ready for prime time drop it on talk main. 00:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sadly, I haven't seen much in the way of design talent. Although I'm sure there's someone I missed.  Basically, all I did was add orange to the green and purple.  Colors get lighter and lighter as they move "inwards".  I will fight to the death to not use primary colors, especially big blue; however, I also won't fight to use all three secondaries.  Personally, I like what it looks like, but that might just be me.  As far as I can see, the only creature to whine about the colors so far was KAOS, and he is a professional provocateur.  Anyway - do we have any "official" RW colors?  A banner to work from?  A flag?  A tattered pennant?
 * Anyway, what I am shooting for here is a bit of "funky" - not the drab Grey Lady, but not the Enquirer - more like the Nation (they use swear words!), or Rolling Stone (they smoke pot!). It's easy to reduce the colors to two or one with a quick copy and paste; or none, if that's what we want.  But anyway - do you want to open up input at talk:main yet, or chase the color thing a bit more first? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:56, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Simplify wording
I wrote How Christians apply it. The wording is a bit convoluted. I wrote, “…can be seen as morally equivalent etc etc. I was very careful as I don’t understand the nuances of United States libel law. Perhaps someone who understands these laws can simplify the wording. Proxima Centauri 11:18, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * We kinda think that section would work better as an essay... it doesn't really fit that article very well. Could make for a very interesting essay, though. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:14, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

I've started an essay, essay:Christianity and the 6th Commandment. I haven't got time to do more. The IT Centre where I am is closing. Proxima Centauri 11:53, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Halp
Hi... I should have relocated the Hugo Chavez page, instead of creating a new page with the correct title(Hugo Chávez), so its history and talk page were preserved. Help please, and sorry. <font color="#4169E1" face="courier">JayJay4ever <font color="#FFA812">??? 23:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Done. 00:52, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Er, so this does not require my attention? I can go back to sleep, or wherever I was? Thanks... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:24, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Very important something or other
I tried calling and it seemed like it would pick up but nothing on the other end. Is my VOIP malfunctioning? Did you get the calls? 20:54, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Main page
Do you want to remove the random extension from Template:AOTW Main as per cabal like discussion? 19:17, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So it only lists the short description? I wouldn't mind (I can't rememember the pro or cons right now...).  I suppose the random entries showing up are confusing to some people?  I dunno... You have the "original" text for each one hidden someone in your portfolio, right? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:01, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

New AOTW
Bask in my glory! I have created an AOTW that uses wiki article text to form its structure. The test is currently at: User:Tmtoulouse/aotw2 the text for the slid bars is at User:Tmtoulouse/aotw2/sliders and for the checkboxes at User:Tmtoulouse/aotw2/check. It can support 10 slide bars and 30 checkboxes. Take a look. 18:44, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm a lookin'... seems pretty straightforward. I'm counting the number of times and ways you break the wiki ;)  Having the "edit" links to the left of section headers was pretty funny... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:43, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay I have made all the changes we discussed. Each instance searches for its data as a subpage under the page title of the instance of the program. So wherever it is created it looks for /sliders /check /description to construct itself. It also saves the name to the database but in order to pull that off I had to adjust the syntax for the /sliders /check. It is a little cumbersome but should be easy enough. 21:38, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Excellent! Did you create the subpages for evolution and the current one?  The "main" slider and check pages can be used as repositories of every one we've ever used, too... I saw how you worked the name saving thing, sure, it's "ugly", but easy to use. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:41, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, how are you setting up the "reporting" to people on the checkbox results? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:42, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I haven't overwritten the old program with the new one so the current AOTW and Evolution are using the old design if you don't see any game stopping bugs I can go ahead and do all that. What do you mean by reporting? 21:43, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd say go ahead and load 'em up, it all looks like it works. You know, eventually, we may settle on consistent sliders and checks, then we can just use a /default subpage most of the time.  Reporting is telling the user the results so far after they do their submission... Also, when one is "closed" to new ratings, will the program automagically display the results to everyone? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:49, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I dunno, whats the meaningful value about checkboxes to report? I guess just the number of people that have tagged the article, eh? As far as what happens when one is closed? I want to change it around completely so that "closed" article display a wide range of stats. 21:56, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, pretty much. so a number like "23/47" (or a header saying, "out of 47 raters:" and a number next to each box) is what I would envision. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:59, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay the new system has moved in and I set the subpages. I had to nix the DPL archive list though cause it was picking up all the meta subpages will have to think about that a little. 23:30, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cool. Wait, are all the new subpages in AotW?  It should only have the old AotWs, the other subpages should be under the master versions?  Minor tweak: "Too few checkboxes(2)"  Need space before the "(". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:34, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The archived data subpages are in aotw/archive/data and the master data is /aotw/data. 23:39, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, ok. I would have thought we should have had template:slider (which has all the ones we've ever used) and then template:slider/evolution or some such? I should be looking over your shoulder more closely while you make these silly structural mistakes ;) I am, after all, a control freakaccording to rambo <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:44, 10 August 2008 (EDT)


 * We should change sliders/add check boxes to the new AOTW. 23:40, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yah, but not in a hurry - let the people who were into have time to get involved (I think I posted a link to your sandbox). Let's just change it over in a few days after we get some inputz. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:44, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Okay, reverted back to last weeks.

Structure
Okay, explain carefully how you are envisioning the structure. 23:49, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

I'll try:

RW:AotW - actual AotW
 * /evolution (archive)
 * /evidence of harm (archive)
 * (etc.)

Template:sliders (contains every slider ever used)
 * Template:sliders/evolution (stores the one used for evo.)
 * Template:sliders/evidence of harm
 * (etc.)

Template:check (contains every checkbox ever used)
 * Template:check/evolution
 * Template:check/evidence of harm
 * (etc.)

The "descriptions" transclude can simply have every slider thing we've ever done, no need to have special ones.

Does that make sense as a file structure? IOW, the only subpages to RW:AotW are the previous AotWs.

To set up a new AotW, we copy in the text from "proposed", and make a new slider/ and check/ file for it (unless it will reuse one, use default, etc.). The "article" extension lets us specify where each file is, right? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:55, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So each article will have its own subpage before archiving then in the template? And the "description" tag will transclude every slider even if we aren't using them all? 00:03, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, pretty much, if it's not too much trouble. We might still want to do the archive list manually anyway (RW:AotW/archives) so we can "describe" them (like "Conservapedia on Evolution").  And there's no harm in having the "description" section list ones that aren't being used, really.  It makes for less work, once it's writ, it's done.  What do you think? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:09, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay it is now setup in that manner. The subpage is based on the title given in the argument from the tag. 00:27, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That oughta work, thanks. Should I go look at anything? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:33, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I dunno... 00:35, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * How come your sandbox isn't working anymore? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:14, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cause there are no subpages under the templates called testing2. 01:33, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, my bad, that means it is working. I'll copy your sandbox templatey things over so they get called... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:54, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Can't we make it so the source pages are called explicitly? Remember, we may want to use the same ones over and over at some point (like, "evolution" might want to use one called "conservapedia", a generic one to use there?). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:41, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I dont understand what you mean. 01:47, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

OK, let me try to explain. For now, as we experiment, we know that some or most AotWs will use different back-end support - different sliders and checkboxes. So they will have their own subpages at slider/ and check/, since that makes the most sense. Using the same title. But does it also make sense that as time goes by, we will have some backend support that gets used over and over again, so why duplicate it? As long as we can call the sub-files explicitly (if we want to), that will work.

Example:

&lt;article = caribou open=yes &gt; would call subfiles titled "caribou", the default.

&lt;article = caribou open=yes slider=conservapedia check=default &gt; would call a slider sub file we've called "conservapedia" since we use it all the time for their articles, and the checkbox subfile called "default" (whatever, this is just an example!).

If this seems to make things harder instead of easier, don't worry about it (ie, ignore me ;)). After all, to "duplicate" a previous slider/check set all we have to do is transclude it in the (for example) template:slider/caribou sub file. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:09, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay will work on it probably tomorrow. 02:32, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

New parameters
Okay it can now take one or more parameters as seen on the sandbox version that is currently pointing to one called "default." Also we can intro/descriptive text to the data files using noinclude tags. 13:09, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Army of bots
Just FYI I have changed the scheduling on my army of bots per our discussion, Index bot runs early Sunday morning, stubbot and wpbot run early monday morning (3:30am EST). 03:15, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, cool, thanks! PS, my favorite quote from our favorite wikistar: "Fresh fruit can be used on its own."  Awesome!  (that was on recipe wiki) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:19, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Haha, excellent, take that scurvy! Anyway, I guess that about wraps up our homework assignments for today. Go us. I am going to pretend like I am not an insomniac and lay in bed for 8 or so hours. Will finish up AOTW tomorrow. 03:35, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

More AOTW stuff
So I have edited the "base" page for the check and sliders template to include links to subpages based on generic criteria. I did a "default" one and a "pseudoscience" one. I added the pseudoscience one to the moon landing proposal. I then edited Template:Descriptions with the new sliders. I am sure it's going to need copy editing. 19:32, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll take a look. Sounds like you are doing great!  Including the links automagically to the subpages is a good idea, because otherwise really good work can just "vanish".  Can you do one quick thing to make life easier for all of us?  Link to all the main supporting things you have added recently in the no-archive section of talk:AotW?  Don't worry about wording, that's easy to upgrade, I just want people who have no idea what we've done to have a decent chance of being able to figure it out. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:03, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Downtime warning
Do you think this should be linked to in recent changes/watch list text? Or no? 21:30, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * While I appreciate your concern, it ought to go smoothly. When I moved humanspeakers.com from network pollutions to my host company, the transition was seamless.  I think the (ICANN?) new IP association propagates very quickly.  No harm in linking it, though.  Many people don't check talk:main.
 * Next project: an automatic banner for spamming site-wide announcements? (like the "new messages" one, but linking to some specified place) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:47, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The issue is whether or not I have to repropagate the DNS entry. If that happens then it is 2-24 hours based on propagation (ICANN claims it can be 72 hours but I have never seen that, maybe people in Finland will have problems). 21:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He, so my only error was calling "DNS" "IP". Seriously, service providers do this very quickly.  As does ICANN (which I got right from memory, yay me!).  They all want happy cusomers. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:32, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Redirects
Human do we have a policy about redirects that nothing links too (ie goes out but nothing goes in)? I know Wikipedia is full of these which is why whenever you type something in even if it is wrong it still gives you a page. Only user is creating them and I am wondering should I delete them when I see that in future. $\approx$$\pi$ 01:10, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * We tend to delete them. I like them on WP, but after all, it's an encyclopedia.  We aren't.  We are a lean, mean, fighting machine!  Feel free to zap them, I do.  Who knows what the mob will decide in three years, but for now... Who is the user creating them? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:13, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Corry created two recently. $\approx$$\pi$ 01:14, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I would temper this by saying common phrasings should probably have redirects as well, or when two topics are merged into one a redirect is useful. Something like "andy schlafly" should redirect even if it does not have links, and something like "orgone" that redirects to "orgone energy" is probably good. 01:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, I see (I think). I dunno, we really don't have a policy on those "mispleedded" redirects.  They might be useful, I spose, I guess they aren't clutter, really? Feel free to bring this up at talk:main, since we have no idea what we are doing, other than debating each other while accidentally building a wiki resourcey thing. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:19, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think we should encourage unintentional misspelling of Schlafly by having it link any way. Remember Schlafly's flaws in Lenski's study? $\approx$$\pi$ 01:23, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not sure on this, it's really an issue - on WP, I know I can get what I want however I spell it, capitalize, etc. (it's funny sonhow how long it takes to work through the redirects) But are we that?  I suspect not.  I think that people who come here and search/go, expect that they might need to spell things properly.  It's still an interesting debate, though. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:29, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not so much misspellings as common phrases like "Andy Schlafly" we dont need every iteration, but he goes by that a lot. And as I said certain concepts are known by certain words or phrases but we title them by a more general or professional phrasing. I gave orgone as an example cause I am tired but there are more. 01:38, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Fail
Nope. I still can't get ChatZilla to work. I'm afraid I must call off our meeting, dear captain. 03:37, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If I can make it work, surely you can!!! I'm running a wintel box I built, like, eight years ago, and have no idea what hxxorz even means! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:48, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think I'm sort of connected (it says you are talking about ointment, so I think it's the right place :), but it says "This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). Please see the documentation of this network's nickname registration services that should be found in the MOTD (/motd to display it)."
 * Um? 03:53, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Homework
How do you want to handle linking previous AOTW in the current AOTW? 17:20, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Add a link that says "Prior Articles of the Weak" to the template. Link it to AotW/Archives and we should maintain it manually.  I say manually, because the first one needs to read "Conservapedia on evolution", not just "Evolution" - et cetera. Also we can then add dates ("AotW: 8/5-12/08, rating closed 8/28/08") and such.  The archives page can then also link to any data analyses you build. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:25, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Where did you put the two old AotW's? I'm thinking of linking to the archives page from the little navbar, and starting it, but I'd prefer to minimize redlinks along the way... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:14, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * RationalWiki:Article of the Weak/Conservapedia on Evolution RationalWiki:Article of the Weak/Evidence of Harm. 24.36.227.74 20:32, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:58, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Did it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:04, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So what should I do now? 24.36.227.74 21:32, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The "anti-nofollow" function for certain pages? Go to http://www.wiki4cam.org/wiki/Main_Page and join up and get blocked? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:39, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't have to do something to make the archive link appear? 24.36.227.74 21:41, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, I put it in the navbar template. Unless you don't like it there... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:44, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh I see now....works for now. 24.36.227.74 21:46, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe... now go check out CAM wiki... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:48, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am going to go play, see what kind of people we are dealing with. Think I will play "good cop". 24.36.227.74 22:30, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Can I be bad cop? I never get to be bad cop :( 22:32, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am game. 24.36.227.74 22:36, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm going to name myself something RatWiki related -- but not obvious -- so I'll be recognisable to you, but not them... (Yes, I'm paranoid...) 22:38, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The point should be to see 1)who is active, 2) who are the quick trigger admins, and 3) whats the "line" they are willing to tolerate. 24.36.227.74 22:46, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think this demonstrates a certain... touchiness. That edit earned them an infinite block, so watch yourself. Constant vigilance! 22:55, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

(undent)They are a similar stage that CP was months ago, any active user who is showing an interest in the site and seems to fit their agenda is going to get bumped to admin. In fact, if they happen to get an influx of vandalism this will all but ensure a rush to coronate an army. Users that appear sympathetic and active now will find adminships come easy regardless of their mental state. This is the MO of several of our CP sysops. I plan to post only on my user page and a few talk pages and not edit article for awhile. Play the knowledge/helpful card but be an "out" skeptic. See how much they tolerate. At least get them used to having the "other" in the mix. Or maybe they will block me right away. That will tell us just as much. 24.36.227.74 23:02, 13 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Strange man our DoctorB he seems to have welcomed himself. $\approx$$\pi$ 23:03, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe... Trent (24xxx), you mean about 18 months ago, regarding CP, I suspect. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:09, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * True enough, and holy shit was that one of us? 24.36.227.74 23:35, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I dunno, not me. I undid some of it, but without a block button and teh rollback it got tedious.  Sad, it's gonna make you and I look bad, since we turned up at the same time as that "TKay" and "homotox" guy. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:39, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * TKay real subtle that. $\approx$$\pi$ 00:04, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Did you know...
That John McCain just lent a teensy bit of financial support RW? I don't like the banner ads, but I have to admit the irony is hard to resist :) Lurker 02:15, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, I didn't (I use the ad-free monobook thing). Also, we only get dough if we click the links... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I clicked the link. I told you, I couldn't resist the irony. Lurker 02:22, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

wiki4cam
Total wiki newbies. Will be a while till anything interesting happens. 02:27, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * My first random page was that hamnerabi guy ( the homeopathy hero). Spelled correctly, the article consisted of an http link to their article on him - whose title did not capitalize his last name.  As you say, total noobs.  I'd say they mean well, but... well, but.  They are insane... even if they are persecuted by the allo saurs paths for their "different methods of proof". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * http://www.wiki4cam.org/wiki/Samuel_Hahnemann <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes I saw that, I changed it to a redireect and wrote on the talk they should switch the pages. The admin broke the wiki in a way I can't figure out, some how the pages are staying perma cached. I am pimping my vandal brake as well :). 02:49, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Boycott End
I'd vote for an end to the boycott - I'm also suffering severe withdrawal symptoms - but I don't have an edit tab on Conservapedia Talk:What is going on at CP? (probably because I'm a peon). Silver Sloth 07:41, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I'll second that, and suggest that WIGO and other RW participation starts up again Saturday. I peeked over the wall a couple of times during the boycott, and my hands are twitching.  --SpinyNorman 10:49, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorry about that SS, I'll go unprotect WIGO CP talk now. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:25, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone already did... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:26, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * OH hell, let's be done with it.  Some great stuff has been happening and we all need our fix.   Proven conservative junkies, all of us....<font color="#00F0A20">DogP  15:30, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

So is the boycott officially over? --<font color="#00FFFF">λινυσ (☮) 16:21, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It died a death of boredom, attrition, and our desire never to follow any rules, especially ones we make up. I still haven't gone and flipped all the switches, though. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:30, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm Einar
and I notice that you use purple and green in your signature. I use in my text. Try copping a liberal attitude and it will be okay. Okay? Oh yes, nice to be here. Carptrash 00:50, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Try doing it the way I edited your comment. We don't want 8 billion silly "wanted pages" here.  It ain't wikipedia, where odds are the link will be blue... Please respect our conventions, and we will respect your POV, and it will be okay.  Okay?  Glad to have you here. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:55, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Liberals. Figures you'd be against litter.  But I am a respecter of conventions.  So shall cease and desist.  Carptrash 01:02, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks - feel free to use the "r" template though, if you want to mess with people's heads. My grandfather won a pound in a photo contest, a shot of me at two stretching to put some litter in a basket.  So, are you for littering?  (alternative excised) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:08, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I once had a photo published in the Industrial Worker of my daughter making the Peace Sign in snow on the top of a garbage can at an anti-war rally. There are different kinds of litter and I engage in some kinds and not so much in others.  Carptrash 01:21, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You said it figured I was against litter. Are red links litter, or just trash on the side of the road?  I'm against littering.  On this site we try to minimize unnecessary red links. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Fair enough. Until such time as I view this place as being my own I will respect your conventions.  Carptrash 02:04, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

You!
Your addition of "and" to the wigo item makes the whole rhythm of the joke fall apart. By logical extension, you have introduced a subtle edge of uncertainty and dissonance to the universe, and set in motion the long-prophesized chain of events that brings doom to your pitiful race. Your fridge has been emptied while you slept. Children laugh at you. 01:08, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * But whatever, you know? It's all good. 01:09, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe. My fridge seems fine, in fact the eggs were really, really, really good.  I manage to get fresh happy chicken eggs, they are almost a psychedelic.  I'll take another look at the rhythm method (quick, what band released that album?) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:12, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What?!
 * Did you drink those eggs? 01:14, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, as my voice teacher once remarked, "you like dissonance, don't you?" Yup. And uncertainty. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:13, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I like them too. Apart from their usage in arcane prophesies. 01:14, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Stop wikilinking "Godspeed"!!!
 * Nooooo, I omeletted them! Then I et them! Now they are flowing into my cells....  And why not link it??? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:19, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, links in WIGO are usually for things crucial to the joke. Adding something informative off-topic is just odd, to my mind. 01:20, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Style guide
Human do we have a style guide? I remember you working on a order of sections thing. $\approx$$\pi$ 01:17, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not really, although I summed up most of how we do things in one of my own. It is totally unofficial.  It's here


 * As far as sections, you mean the tail end ones mostly? "See also - External links - References and notes" is the standard I have been banging into place just to keep articles similar for about 15 months now... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:21, 15 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Ah I didn't think of searching User space. Do you want to put this before the mob and see if we can have a manual of style? $\approx$$\pi$ 01:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it should at least get to beta first? Like getting rid of all that bold crap?  And adding the answer to the question you just asked?  Feel free to "talk" at it on it's talky page.  I'll see your edits there. !!!! #### ^^^^ &&&& <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, I guess the bold looks ok. And I did address what you mentioned above.  Yah think it's ready for the mob to look at? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:09, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it's ready. It does cover pretty much everything a succinct way. $\approx$$\pi$ 02:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm just testing the waters here
and finding out that a phrase such as, "It is not to be confused with magic, where everyone knows it's really a trick" - is okay, is revealing. "Everyone one knows" ? Is there any thing - please use the highly valued logical mind here - that Everyone knows? Or have I totally misjudged what is going on here and it's just some types having a lark and accuracy is just something required from. . . ...... outsiders? Carptrash 01:34, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's rhetorical, I would imagine. Also, doesn't everyone know it's a trick?  Did you think "pro wrestling" was real? Does anyone, really?  Does anyone actually think that David Copperfield uses more than well-executed tricks?   Should it say "everyone over the age of three"? (five? seven?  when did you figure it out?) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:38, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And at what age are you going to figure out that magic and/or the Law of Attraction IS real? Carptrash 01:50, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Aren't you two talking at cross purposes? 01:51, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

I thought that was how logic and science worked? Carptrash 01:58, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You want to argue that the "law of attraction" has any possible validity the best place to discuss it is on the talk page of the law of attraction. 02:04, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Whoa, @Carpy, did you really ask me that? Magic is a trick, a game, an art of skill and entertainment.  The "law of attraction" that I understand to be real we call "gravity". @Chaos, somehow, I suspect so. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:05, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes,Hman, I really asked you that. So. . . . do we adjourn here and go there? I new here and already feel on shaky ground. Don't want to. .. you know. . .. go against convention. Do I? Carptrash 02:10, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You are free to do as you like, but you seem to be gun shy about conflict. I would suggest taking it slow or steeling yourself for some opposition to your ideas. 02:13, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * All good advise.  Goodnight, sweet prince. Carptrash 02:16, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He meant "steel yourself". Yes, a given topic is best discussed on its talk page rather in random places all over the wiki.  And, understand, you are likely to meet some, er, "friendly" resistance if you think the "law of attraction" is real (or the tooth fairy, for that matter).  Our resident Christians have a rough time of it from time to time, but we do all try to get along.  The best way to commend yourself to us would be to find something we write about that you don't believe in and make the article better.  A bit of "playing on the same side" goes a long way.  There are articles here that I am sure bother some of us, and in the end, taken in toto, all of us - but we live with it.  If an article really rankles you/me/us, it's probably an opportunity for self-examination.  Remember, though, most of us are really into "evidence based" results in the end. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:19, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Intercom
The issue is that it may not be possible to inject the intercom message into the stream of processing where it can get "parsed" by the wikimarkup language and appear where it is suppose to. The way it stands tonight, and who knows I may dream up a great solution but let us assume not for now, is that we have two options:


 * 1) Have the intercom display whatever message is inputted but the message will have to be entered in raw html.
 * 2) Have the intercom display a generic "the site has a new message click here" thing that takes them to where the message is stored on a wiki page that can be written in normal wiki mark up.

02:13, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, the first, the harder way, (like how to make it go away), only requires writing in "html"? Like this: "Hi, I am a new user and I haxored yr sight"?  The generic version requires that people go there to make it go away - I don't see that as a big problem, as long as every vandal on the site (9/10 of us, I believe you posited?) can't make our lives miserable.  Anyway, sleep on it, let the juices flow, and I'm sure if you just "want" to find a solution, the solution will "find" you ;) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:22, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Only sysops can create the messages and it could be narrowed down to an even smaller subset if we so desired. If we do it the first way the message will be displayed everywhere with a link or button that a user can click to make it stop showing for them. The second way will have a generic message that goes away when the goto the link just like the talk page alert works. 02:27, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The first is best (it should always have a generic "how do I do one of these?" links, too), is there any way to stack them for users who ain't checked in for a while? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:29, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, I like your name for it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:30, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks :).......I guess I am going to "sleep" on it for now and see if any bright ideas come to me. As it stands there are many thing stacked against me in the way mediawiki handles the parser function. If we really go for the raw html version we might consider a new user right like "town crier" that is given to people that we really trust and who know html. A mechanism to broadcast site wide a chunk of raw html to me just feels like asking for trouble :). 02:38, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Absolutely, dangerous indeed. Or at least, messy.  But the talk page could be open for people to present suggestions, and and of course all town criers would be alerted automatically of any change to the talk page ;)  Sleep now, but when you return, think about what I meant by "stacking"... Don't worry, your brainz will recover, and afterwards, they will be stronger than ever! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:31, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Have I ever mentioned I am a genius? I think I got it figured out how to input wiki markup not html. My idea for handling old messages is to just display archived messages in a central location that can be linked to. The extension to "add" messages is over at User:Tmtoulouse/intercom you can see there is a "current message" and "archived messages". 15:46, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Isn't it supposed to be hyphenated?
03:44, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Is it? Or-not? Pickyweedia doesn't think so.  And neither did I, ever. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:51, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

You Fool!
PJR throws down the gauntlet! BAH! Ace McWickedwhisky 03:58, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Where, when, how, and why? That WIGO CP thing was just some dumb video? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:02, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Huh, This is what I posted - here Ace McWickedwhisky 04:04, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, you posted a Fox news item. Go look.
 * Silly old Ace. 04:05, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yah, Ace, your clipboard got infested while you worked. I'll try to dig out the diffs and paste in your link. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Lesson: Always check your work after posting. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:18, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Intercom tables
Do you want to take a look at the generated html for the intercom and see if you can figure out a better way to handle the tables/layout? When you are ready let me know and I can manually turn on the last message for you. 22:41, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So you will make a message and I look at the source? Go ahead. I'm floating back and forth (can't believe I've never seen Beverly Hills Cop before! but it's almost over, I think). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:07, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Alternatively, you could email me the code that generates the html? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:08, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Never seen myself. You should be able to see the last message. 00:11, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Shit, I hit "go away" as a reflex ;) Do another one.... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:12, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I played at Talk:Prohibition if it helps at all. Where can I see the code behind class="userpage"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:28, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and can you leave me a message so I can see how your thing plays with a "real" userpage message prompt? (somebody, anyone, please talk to me!)<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:35, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I will look up the class, why prohibition? 00:57, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * EC: I have left you a massage ^_^ 00:57, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Interesting - the "you have new messages" banner kills our intercom banner. I used a random page, to find a small one.  Prohibition is what turned up, and it's talk page was blank.  Just following in our tradition of working on these things in six places ;)
 * Anyway, I suggest you "copy" the "class=userpage" thing to new name, class=intercom, and either let me have access to the raw code or send me a copy to look at.
 * PS, thanks, chaos. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:01, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

.usermessage { background-color: #ffce7b; border: 1px solid #ffa500; color: black; font-weight: bold; margin: 2em 0 1em; padding: .5em 1em; vertical-align: middle; }

And yes I purposefully set it up so new talk page overrode the site message. 01:03, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, there's your colors! Just copy it to .intercom and let me have (somehow) access to edit it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:14, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * yea I can get the color right now but what about the damn white lines! 01:15, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They are wierd, yeah. Email me or access me to the source so I can see what's going on? (He says for the fourth time) Is there a wiki link to the .usermessage, or now, .intercom? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:19, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Router crapped out on me again last night and I just decided to pass out. Turns out that the weird lay shit with the line under the tabs was caused by an errant backslash I left at the start of one of the files I was working on. I awoke to realize that it had caused mass carnage on IE based web browsers. 24.36.227.74 20:05, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * So can you change the colors and leave a new test message so I can check out your progress? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:36, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes I learned to uncouple from the div tag. I will throw together random code and put it up for you and you can play with it till you get what you think looks good. 22:26, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cool. Looks a lot better already.  Can you float the "remove" button over to the right end? (etc.etc.)? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:35, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It is completely uncoupled from div tags now so you should be able to copy the source and play with it. I have not found a way to get the button to the right. 22:37, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * OK, I'll try that... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:40, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Purple elephant section
I have got it working in Firefox, but IE is foobar. 22:49, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * IE is amazingly pedantic...what a horrible program. Anyway it is "working on both Firefox and IE at the moment. 22:58, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

How did you see the next change I was making when I got ECd saving it?


 * I didn't, so you think we should remove the border and add more cell padding then and use that color? 23:02, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, the border was fine, at least, the outer one. The border should probably just be a darker purple, though (ff99ff, probably). And the background a bit lighter (try ffccff?) I zapped it because I was getting a "border" around the cells.  The cellpadding gets some "air" to the left of the message. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:06, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, so we do want the border. 23:07, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Why is there so much height to these? with no cellpadding the table should barely fit the text... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:09, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You have the padding at 10, should that be cell spacing instead? 23:10, 16 August 2008 (EDT)


 * They kinda look the same on a simple table. Spacing is "outside" the cells, padding is "inside" them.  I think ;)  Let's try 5?  It looks different in your live intercom thing than in these tests. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:19, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You know, the current version's height, I like. But it needs a 5px wide empty cell on the left.  And the colors in the test version above? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:20, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Improved (border=1, short cell to left of message) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:25, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Okay done that. 23:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cept your version is totally foo bar in IE. Fucking IE. 23:47, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay it was just that IE doesn't recognize 3 character color codes. 23:49, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, OK, you fixed it by the time I loaded it. Do you have this rigged so only I see it right now?  'Cause I couldn't see it logged in as AmesG... sorry about the 3cc, don;t know why I did that, it's cheesy. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:57, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and it's "fubar" - foo and bar are placeholders ;) Shall you now make the text bolded so it looks like "new messages"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:58, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes only you and I see the message at the moment. I have set it to bold. Think we are good to go? Shall we start up a section on the talk page of intercom now for figuring how who should use it and what the button should be and other misc stuff? 00:02, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I think it's purrrrffect now. Yeah, talk page time. Wanna set up an announcement announcing the discussion of announcements at the announcement talk page? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:05, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Bug?
I clicked on "bye bye message" and get sent to RC... is that just due to you making so only we could see it? Oh, and it didn't go away... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Looking into it. 00:17, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, shit, I copied your code over without thinking and over wrote the hidden variables god damn it. 00:20, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Try again? 00:23, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That worked. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:25, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

New function needed. We need to be able to "close" a message after it's irrelevant; or ideally, setup a time period for them to run. Otherwise new editors will see it weeks or months later. I take it that IPs (lurkers) don't see it, only logged-in users? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:24, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The only people that see it are user accounts that exist at the time the message is created. 00:27, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Pretty good, yes. But what about people who have taken a break (horrors!), they return to a stale message perhaps? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:55, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There are worse things. I need to get the "preview" for the site message working first. Then will think about stale messages. 01:34, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Preview is good, yes. Comes first.  Simple manual deletion would be a good first step for "cleanup".  One step at a time, eh? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:00, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

acsh]=lgfly
Man, it looked at it twice thinking something was not right on that Wigo. Stupid intelligently designed eyes. Perhaps, had they evolved, they might be better. Ace McWickedwhisky 03:50, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It would help if he had a "spellable" and "pronounceable" name... I blame him, not you ;) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:17, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

202// ,,: '' \\202== ==

I didn't actually edit his comment. 00:10, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, but you did add formatting before and after it, essentially under his signature. Inappropriate (funny, yes), I think.  Let the loser say what it wants here, it's not like it is winning any battles...? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:19, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If we vandalise his userpage, why shouldn't we apply a harmless format to his comments that makes it easier to deny him the attention he's feeding off? 00:22, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If both are not really the right thing to do, then what? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:45, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Do them anyway?
 * Actually, I don't have a problem with either. Jinx should not be encouraged. 00:54, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ignoring it is a personal issue made by individual editors. By editing its comments, er, you encourage it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:56, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think I do. He wants a wiki-sized stage, not the personal interference of one jellyfishous sysop. If the only attention he got was my formatting, he'd soon get bored of his antics. 01:02, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And then two friends play with it, and then two of each of their friends... ignoring it means ignoring it.  Archiving comes soon enough. Anyway, I like encouraging the spotty little twerp.  The froth is fun to watch, and non-contagious over the 'tubes. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:07, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, good. I know a super way of encouraging him. It involves formatting ^_^
 * Besides, if you must veto this, I insist that you be the one to break it to Arcan. It's practically a movement by now. 01:10, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If the consensus is to ignore, ignore. Ignore.  Don't edit its comments, don't talk to it, don't WIGO it.  Don't email it.  Don't sock up and prickle it.  IGNORE it.  Reformatting its comments brings them to the top of the pile, eh? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:13, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, the consensus is "tease". 01:15, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * In that case, copy its comments to its talk page and post them in triple big! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Full disclosure: I don't think editing comments is acceptable, but Jinx's posts to TWIGO are trolling, plain and simple. Making them light grey is better than deleting them.
 * And it yields quality lulz. 01:25, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think its talk page edits are "trolling" so much as just explosive stupidity. I wish it would just create an account, they're free.  Article edits would be trolling, and promptly "repaired" if necessary.  But hey, we all have our opinions, right? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:32, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Jinx doesn't. He has someone else's. 01:37, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Jinx
I give my sincerest "I'm sorry" for attacking the flowers, I'm just trying to make the Monkey Dance a little, and sometimes you gotta use the prod. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  01:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hahahahaah, hey, I never got the whole "ignore it" thing, when we find a leech that twitches, why not put salt on it? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:21, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Same here.... Not only do I enjoy his activities, I delight in causing him mental anguish... Hence my really running with the Jinx baiting article

Holydaze
Here you go,

Will include the template if it exists, as Valentine's day is February the 14th and  looks like,

and,

includes templates of the form if it exists, Martin Luther King days is the 3rd Monday of January and  looks like,

Howzat? $\approx$$\pi$ 03:21, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Pretty good so far... but I am still watching your sandbox. One: Make it easy for people to add holydaze.  Two: Make it easy for us to add those stupid random lunar holydaze (like easter).  You're getting there, just keep going.  PS, I transcluded your sandbox on my talkpage, and it kinda failed.  But that was a half hour ago. Keep working, I'm sure you'll nail it within a day or two. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:44, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I'd thought of doing something along these lines, so good luck. I can now cross it of my to do list. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    04:03, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


 * When Trent has fixed up the ParserFunctions tomorrow Easter should work without any more manual work. After all that I am not inclined to do any more astronomical holidays myself, but if someone else feels the need they can follow what I did. $\approx$$\pi$ 05:32, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Really? That's totally cool.  The only thing I find sad is that all the holydaze are now sub-files, and maybe harder for others to add.  Any way around that? Oh, and PS - please add detailed instructions as to what you did?  IE, help files, so we stupids who follow in your tracks can make more things work? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  05:35, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The subpages is not compulsary templates you could name it all that is important is the MM and DD bit so the software has something to find, if you want you could make each one  . Easter was a bugger because I had to write an algorithm using about 14 templates so it could calculate MM and DD based on the year.$\approx$$\pi$ 05:50, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yah, Easter sucks. You seriously got all the others?  The ones that are USian Monday holydaze, etc.? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  06:06, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I haven't started the move form the current to the future yet. Is there anything you would like to change, naming convention etc? $\approx$$\pi$ 07:37, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I dunno, it seems good to me, really. As long as you leave a clear set of instructions on how to name new ones so they'll work properly, we ought to be fine.  Should we also have a "master" page that simply shows (and links to) them all?  I guess that's pretty easy, that can just be noincluded at the main template after the instructions.  Oh, one thing did just occur to me - actually two that are similar.  1.  CP boycotts get announced via holydaze, is there a way to simply have soemthing like that?  and that led me to 2. have you allowed for multiple-day holydaze yet?  Oh, and with the #DayMM type naming, do some holidays occur on the "last" rather than the 4th given day in a month?  (I'm not sure on that). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:32, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I was thinking of that last day of the month thing. There may be a way around that, I will look at when Trent gets the extended ParserFunctions working. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:35, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Trent has kindly added the trunc and ceil functions to the RationalWiki so the automated Easter mover now works, do you want me to start creating the new Holydaze templates so that they will show up automatically when the code is added to the Holydaze template? $\approx$$\pi$ 19:26, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Timing
Quite honestly, I'd just looked @ the clock (midnight) & said "Wonder where Human is tonight", clicked on reload & there you were! 19:04, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not knowing anything of you two, that sounds... as (stereotypical) British as possible - almost a sketch! (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 19:09, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oi! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:39, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Ajax
I have implemented a "stacking" routine with the messages but in order to avoid having to me reloading between server and client side all the time it was necessary to code it in ajax. Been struggling through that here it is off site for now. If you can take a look and let me know your thoughts. 22:08, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmmm, looks pretty good. I take it the "first" message that appears is the most recent one?  Can the text be a tad smaller?  Also, size those last three table cells so the text doesn't wrap.  Is "reset" going to be part of it?  If so, why not put it in the table, too?  "Delete" only gets rid of a single message, right, and when there are no "unread" messages the box goes away?  I think the "button" text things on the right should be smaller text than the message to save space... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:47, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Reset is only for testing purposes, brings back all messages, wont be part of it. Remove messages gets rid of only the message it is on, when there are no messages there is no box. What is wrapping that shouldn't be? 22:56, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * On my screen, next and previous message were wrapping. Perhaps they should actually be "button" images so their size is fixed and consistent, then their table cells can fit them exactly? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:09, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Buttons is ugly, make pretty graphics. 23:10, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, that's what I meant. Use pretty images that say the words.  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:09, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, I like the pretty green text you used. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:11, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Pretty green text? What? Where? Huh? Confused. Make me pretty images, I wasted all afternoon learning ajax it is your turn :). 00:12, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Hahahahah <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:25, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Seems a bit hard to read the text though, question, do we even want "text" or are icons/graphics better? Things like arrows and an "X" for delete? 00:26, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That one was a bit of a joke... how about the standard symbols used on hifi stuff? arrows L and R, a red square for "record" (erase)?  They can have text that pops up on mouseover, right? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:36, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Upload images to the site and I will put them on. 00:45, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll bang something together shortly... Hey, can you hack in the dumb one I made so I can see how it "plays"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:14, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Done. 01:22, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks! You know, I know I made it and it's a silly font, but it actually looks pretty good.  What do you think? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:28, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I have a hard time reading the text, once I know what it says I can see it but the first time I saw it it looked jumbled. I still think "icons" are better than text. 12:39, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I redid it with Gnome icons, take a look. 13:23, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I could always redo the text in a more sensible font of course. Can you roughly halve the size of the icons?  They add unnecessary height to the table.  I'd say, if you like them, run with them. If you want me to make more "readable" text buttons, let me know, and you could put both versions up and ask what people think. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:56, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am not attached to those icons at all, merely grabbed GNU license compatible ones to see how it worked. The mediawiki commons has a huge database of icons. Do you think text is better than icons? I don't particularly care. 15:05, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, I do prefer text (although, I can't justify the lovely silly "Crusades" font I used. The thing with icons is that the first time you see them, you still have to read the mouseover to understand what they do/say, like you had to with the funky font.  Now, the text could be shorter (next/previous/delete), with longer mouseover comments (go to next message in queue/(similar)/delete this message from your list).  Whatcha think? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:01, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If you make them I shall insert them...or something.... 16:56, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * NM-2.png PM-2.png DM-2.png <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:22, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

You know, Ajax is also the name of a dinosaur in a book I had as a kid. Are you trying to desecrate his memory with technical mumbo-jumbo? Shame! 16:03, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes it is. And loaded the new images. 17:32, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

bouttoniere
I made the font too large. You're pulling them off the RW server, right, so if I re-upload them I'll see instant results? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:43, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm, I also turned off the antialiasing (or on?), nice and "sharp" but I'm not sure it actually looks better. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:51, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Tweakable, if you think the basic concept is solid I am going to replace the current framework on RW with this code and see if I can get it to play well with the wiki? 18:07, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, it looks good, we can always improve the images if we want. Did you see my idea about "committees/groups/teams"? Where people can join a "group" and get all its messages, and also send to that group?  Sitewide would remain fairly restricted. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:17, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

I have responded to your response. Please respond.
To my response. ( On my talk page. ) 04:28, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Stop being asleep!!
05:14, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Sorry
You're right, I should've discussed any changes first : (  I reverted all my changes, as you asked.   15:29, 20 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Sorry if I came across heavy-handed... but I know you were only trying to make it better and wouldn't want to muck it up. I guess the main problem is that since it did not automatically link to a user name, we used it freely to say "other things", then when you tried to auto-link the user, we had no way to deal with the other uses?  Anyway, thanks for fixing it up... no blood, no foul, as the WEC fighter gasped after being kicked in the groin ;)  (I have a bad cagefighting habit, love watching it any chance I get!)  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:42, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, I understand now. Next time I mess something up, would you tell me why you liked it the old way better, instead of just telling me I messed up?   15:57, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorry, I think I probably made an edit comment on some essay I came across where it failed, that you couldn't be expected to see. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:05, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

New Hamster Gazette
They might like the chunks re Chickenhawk here. Seems to me that the article and sub pages could go in almost as is. You'd just need permission 20:44, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Even though he readily gave me permission to reproduce them here, I'm not sure how he'd fell about giving up teh copyright. They were fine where they were until Squirrel got a bee in his bonnet about that murderous thug Clinton (who Fowle calls a "scumbag", if not worse, in the article SS wants to go bye bye).  I still think they make an interesting "appendix" to the CH article - and it's absolutely clear that they are from the NHG, not "all of our" opinion.  Thanks for the idea, though.  Maybe I'll call him sometime and suggest it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:00, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Could use GNU_Free_Documentation_License which retains copyright and require attribution. 21:24, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah... but isn't it simpler just to host it here? Loading a hundred little images up to WS doesn't sound like fun to me... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:28, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Clickbot
Anyone here know how to make a clickbot, of the sort we used on Conservapedia? 23:32, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * How are your php/Python coding skills? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    23:35, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not it! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:37, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Uhhh... practically nonexistent. I have picked up a teeny, teeny bit in the course of running a wiki (not RationalWiki...).  That being said, is it possible to code for it to stop "clicking" after it reaches a certain number?   23:41, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * RA, should you ever feel like it, this is a great tool for learning python. 23:08, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Intercom 2
I have the new Ajax version working but I am at a loss on how to parse the wiki text again, I cant pass the text through any php scripts since the pages aren't reloading. 24.36.227.74 23:52, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Urgh, I saw, it wasn't working... Ask JeevesMk2? I really am not sure how to help you with that end of things.  You're, uh, using computer languages that were all written after I gave up on programming as a career (in 1977) (obligatory Clash song reference!).  Except Perl, I learnded sum perl. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:56, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Make it so it only shows for us again and load a new message (I may have made it go away). Let's look at teh source html and see where it bungs up. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:11, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think it can be done, but what support do we need for wiki markup anyway? The only thing we really need is link support right? If I create my own "mini-parser" that handles the bracket link structure wouldn't that be okay? 00:51, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I understood three words of that. If you're saying you can run it "off site", sure, that's ok. If you're saying you can make it work "somehow", that's ok, too. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:53, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't run the text in the intercom through the parser that converts wiki markup into html. But what kind of markup will people be putting in the intercom messages anyway? The only thing we need is support for internal and external links using the bracket system right? If I created my own mini-parser that generated the html from   and [ ] links wouldn't that be enough?  00:55, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I recommend we limit markup to nothing more than we need - internal links via double brackets. That's why I yanked the chain on the early version (1.3?) with an image.  No need for that. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:58, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, then I will write a mini-parser for bracket links and use that. 01:03, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Kewl. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:07, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Although, I did like my "I'd like to buy / the wiki a drink" message ;) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:08, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, mini-parser is done. I will set you up to see the messages in a little bit. I have to add the javascript code to the monobook_ad_free for it to work. Then I will set you to be able to see all the messages. If it looks like it is working on your end then we can start to figure out the "lists" "groups" etc. 12:53, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

If you can now see a message up top and noone else can than the basic infrastructure is in place for "lists" to work. RationalWiki:Intercom uses a drop down menu that is defined by RationalWiki:Intercom/lists. I haven't coded "site wide" in yet, but Test is you and me, and Tmtoulouse is just me. The next step is setting it up so people can add themselves to various lists. 17:07, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am going to stop leaving you messages now, as I get to antsy to wait and see and just push ahead, meaning anything I have said is way out dated. 20:30, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe, sorry, I was away from my desk for a few errands boss ;). I clicked on the "next" box and the purple bar went bye-bye... I'll go try to leave a message now. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:01, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Goto RationalWiki:Intercom/lists actually and sign up and I will send another message out. It is not open to everyone yet. 21:04, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * OK, I joined "random" and got the random message; can't send any yet though. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:12, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yep, that sounds about where we are at. 21:14, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

So new lists are created by dropping a name into that file using the *name; format. Joining is handled by the form. Seems simple enough right? 21:15, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So whats the rules for posting a message? Member of the group you are submitting to? Special rank for site wide? 21:22, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sounds good, yes. I just tested the two messages up there, prev and next work fine, deleted one, all worked well.  How about putting the "sig" in-line after the message?  That way they'll often fit on one line... This is coming out great, by the way.  Don't forget to add "site messaging system" or "site intercom" or some such to the sidebar when it's gone live.  Any group member can message the group, yes.  And, yes. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:23, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks. I will look into the sig formatting. Permissions are set now so that anyone in a group can send to that group. 21:32, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, I saw. Excellent work! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:33, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Need to move the "archived messages" below the new message box I think. How long will they display for there?  How do we "delete" a message completely? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:38, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The whole current message/archived message thing needs to be redone anyway, does "current message" even make sense anymore? I figured I would redo as old messages stored under a header that matches the group list. As for what happens to a message once it has been sent, nothing has been coded yet. 21:40, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sounds very good, yes, the sections. Will it break when I delete my personal message list? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:44, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Everything is generated on the fly so nothing should break. 21:45, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, RationalWiki:Intercom is now setup like I described. Take a look and see what you think. 22:00, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I have altered the sig to "inline" see if that's what you wanted. Also think we should at a time stamp in the message? 22:05, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Let's see (apart from "wow"). Slight alteration to how sig appears:

New sig, in line, and with a time stamp. To Random group, from Tmtoulouse at 08/21/08 : 22:12:01

New sig, in line, and with a time stamp. (Random group, from Tmtoulouse at 08/21/08 : 22:12:01)

Where they appear in the lists below, drop the group name:

New sig, in line, and with a time stamp. (from Tmtoulouse at 08/21/08 : 22:12:01)

(Keep the small text you're using).

Yes, I think the timestamp is a very good idea.

Oh, make it so IPs can't join groups. Or "vandal" grouped people. (or at least so they can't "send") <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:25, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * IP's can't join because there is no support for dealing with them at all, as far as mediawiki is concerned an "ip" doesn't really exist. I will probably set it so that only auto confirmed users can send messages. I am thinking about how to handle an expiration/deletion type scenario for messages. It will require a little thought because messages are "delivered" to each user so going in an deleting anything with out the user being "on" is a little iffy but I am sure there is a solution. Will work on the alterations. 22:30, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Er, the italics? Should they stay? 22:43, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Intercom expiration
How does this sound, you can set an expiration time now on the intercom page but something has to remove the expired messages from user lists. So I have a mini-php script that runs say once an hour that purges expired messages? It is not prefect, like if the message runs 1 minute before a message expires the message will "live on" for another hour. But it is close enough right? 02:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd say once or twice a day would be enough, unless it really won't slow the server down. What's with the "-1 hour" option? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:29, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Testing purposes so I can create all ready expired messages. It takes a split second to run, I could run several times a minute without noticeable effect, but cron jobs doesn't really support that kind of scheduling. 02:31, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, ok. I made one, I guess it will vanish as soon as the script runs next.  If it doesn't chew resources, hell yeah, run it once an hour. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)