Draft talk:Turd Flinging Monkey

How many subscribers has he got?
How many bloody subscribers has he got? Everybody and his dog has a YouTube channel these days. Most of them not watched by anybody. We have decided that anyone with fewer than a thousand subscribers is an internet nobody who doesn't deserve an article. Spud (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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Apparently, he made a viral tweet which led to him being banned on Twitter: https://sports.yahoo.com/twitter-user-pasted-smile-captain-marvels-brie-larson-last-laugh-170942362.html

Importance?
Does every youtube nobody, who disagrees with feminists, deserve an article? Filtered_Walrus &mdash; Unsigned, by: Filtered_Walrus / talk / contribs 14:00, 9 October 2019
 * Are you jealous because you don't have your own page? Shabi  DOO  14:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I just hope that this wiki dosen't turn into unfunny version of ED with obsession about every minor internet idiot Filtered Walrus (talk) 15:08, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I visited the Turd Flinging Monkey site and I just watched the "shoot em in the pussy video" and for the first time in my life my stomach went queasy just through spoken text. I wouldn't call him a nobody. He actually IS the typical MGTOWer and after all, part of our mission is to document cranks (and/or nutcases). Shabi  DOO  15:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Given how many articles are made on internet drama with no outcry, I made one of them and got told "not part of RW's mission statement" by a random user. Well there's nothing about this article that is part of RW's mission statement, but I'm fine with it existing.  Although afaik he isn't even on Youtube anymore so he's not really even notable anymore.2600:8806:0:C2:A9C4:E371:8734:5509 (talk) 19:33, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Here’s the thing...
“''Turd Flinging Monkey (formerly known as MorgueToeTag) is a YouTuber who creates content for the community known as Men Going Their Own Way.[1] He advocates for the revoking of women's rights on the grounds of biological determinism, making it so you must pay taxes in order to be allowed to vote, and MGTOW as a consequence of. According to him women are succubi and, unlike men, are ruthless in achieving their own self interests. He hides his subscriber count.''”

“''For TFM, allowing each individual human to make up their own mind and decide when where and with whom to have sex will just lead to women getting even more rights which is apparently what devious female succubi thrive on. TFM stated that that the only way to fix this is by changing the way humans reproduce, as gynocentrism and biological determinism are products of the nature of human reproduction.''”

This article needs MAJOR reworking IMO. A major recurring problem shown in the above samples of text is that they downplay TFM’s extremist and conspiratorial views (re: wanting to REMOVE women’s rights, thinking that democracy will eventually lead to female supremacy) and just portrays them as alternate theories and ideas. This entire account just reads like a Wikipedia summary and makes very little attempt to actually criticize his beliefs and what he advocates for, effectively breaking the rules of what this website claims its articles should be.

For an example of this, TFM actually made a video called “The 3 Reasons Women Shouldn’t Vote.” which used to be on YouTube back in 2015 before his channel got nixxed. On a somewhat related note, Vegan Gains of all people actually tried countering this, and predictably got a lot of angry TFM’s disliking in the comments. Granted, I haven’t watched the video myself because its almost 3 hours long, but even ignoring the ”defense” that he only wants taxpayers to be able to vote (which includes women), the fact that he doesn’t believe that they should vote in general is very problematic.)

Right now, this guy’s mostly stopped uploading on YouTube and has shifted permanently to BitChute (based on his channel description). Apparently this was due to him breaking YouTube’s community guideline rules, which gave him a 30 day suspension or something, meaning his channel on the former website is basically dead, and the same goes for his other channel, Celestina Monkey, which the latter’s data won’t show up on Social Blade due to the subscriber count being private (try clicking on the channel and it won’t load. And in addition, (One Angry Gamer made an article ranting about this). Neverless, this article’s lack of criticism on him is very concerning, and the above information shouldn’t excuse this.

And just for the heck of it, here’s TFM’s current Social Blade page. From June 2017 to May 2019 (when YouTube striked him), his channel monthly views ranged from 1.0-1.8 million, which isn’t anything crazy but still pretty noteworthy for a radical MGTOW guy like him (this is like an average of 30,000-60,000 views per day). He also had a grand total of 41,851,946 views that got lost when he deleted all his old videos last July.This is a snapshot of what he was getting on YouTube per day during May 2019, as an example. Contrast this to his current BitChute video views, which as of now is only 3,454,244 in total for all his 1887 videos, (he usually uploads a few times a week, giving an overall average of 1830 views per video, although this has gradually been growing now since most of his newest ones have around 3,000-4000 and he has 18460 subscribers in total there. He’s still pretty much an unknown figure though outside of BitChute. Basically in short, he’s getting less views and attention now since he’s no longer on YouTube. Dr. (“LiNK” 49) (talk) 18:02, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the wiki. It seems this article was created by a now former editor who had a history of extreme sexism. This article will be moved to draftspace and dealt with from there. 18:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Meh
This whole article can be collapsed to a single paragraph in the dump webshites list. Are there any objections? Cosmikdebris (talk) 02:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)