Talk:Antifascist Action

In my experience
The AFA, atleast in Sweden, come across as a movement by (and for) violent assholes. For whatever reason, they tend to mainly harass/bully/threaten/no platform other leftists (including any and all non-violent communists). I've never read about the AFA taking the time to clash with actual Nazis (Sweden is estimated to have the odd 100 individual neo-Nazis in total). Aside from putting up stickers everywhere and performing random and pointless acts of petty vandalism, on occasion they've intelligently been out setting fire to people's cars at night. More than once, according to the local paper, they've actually managed to destroy the wrong person's car in doing so. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Here in the U.S. the left-wing Antifa movement is comprised of communists, marxists and socialists due to personal experience with such activities. 'GrammarCommie' keeps reverting my minor edits because they seemingly have no idea what left-wing means. Reason given for reverting minor edit is that left-wing comprises moderates and greens LOL! Greens are socialists. Moderates want nothing to do with Antifa. I make a rational edit and the mod irrationally reverts it. I thought this was rational wiki...guess not. 15:09, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I said AFA also includes Greens, moderates etc. And for the record while there may be some overlap between greens and socialists they are not one and the same. Furthermore, uncorroborated anecdotal claims are not valid source material. GrammarCommie (talk) 15:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

There is no one "the" Antifa
The article seems to get this at times and gets it wrong, too. For example it says "they" (now replaced by "AFA") are classified as a terrorist organization in New Jersey, but really there are probably more organizations of that name or a deceptively similar name than anybody could count. Heck, the people's front of Judaea would probably consider them too keen on minor distinctions and splitting up needlessly... Evil Zionist (talk) 18:30, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You're right to suppose that the AFA is basically more of a 'branding opportunity for local vandals' than anything else. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 20:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That's not actually the way most groups calling themselves Antifa have presented themselves to me thus far. Evil Zionist (talk) 20:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I might be wrong, but isn't this while paragraph full of logical fallacies?
''Antifa, notably, doesn't always initiate the violence that breaks out between them and their opponents. Just sometimes. Likewise, in the US, far more violent activities have been linked to Neo-Nazi and white supremacist individuals and groups than to Antifa members. Additionally, the motive behind Antifascist action is re-markedly different than the motive behind Neo-Nazi and other far-right activist groups; the motive of the latter being primarily the oppression and control of others (a la the Nazi party of Germany), while the former primarily being that of self-defense or resistance of authoritarianism (a la the French Resistance, which engaged in defensive violence against members of the Nazi party in WWII).'' 08:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * It does engage in the "not as bad as" fallacy. Bongolian (talk) 17:03, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Is it worth adding information on the fact Antifa has been declared a terrorist group by DOJ, FBI and 56 related Joint Terrorism Task Forces?
Self-explanatory. Source: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barrs-statement-riots-and-domestic-terrorism &mdash; Unsigned, by: 2607:FEA8:9960:2E:60EE:3BA5:D928:8A69 / talk
 * No. 21:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sadly, it seems like white supremacists have added it. Don't they know that using the military against domestic forces is illegal and fascist? Yes, the War of 1812 was illegal and fascist, and Abraham Lincoln was a fascist dictator breaking the law. In addition, I know the media says domestic groups can't be added to terror lists, it turns out that Weather Underground is known as a terrorist group to both the FBI and DOJ, and possibly others. Even worse, Antifa ISN'T domestic, it was first created in Germany, making it international! Jeez louis! Anyone associated with Antifa is probably screwed, especially if they donated money or provided supply lines. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 2607:FEA8:9960:2E:C412:EC4F:7454:6E3C / talk
 * Cute strawman. 21:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Doesn't change the fact you're going to Gitmo. I hear the waterboarding is great this time of year though, so have fun bro. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 2607:FEA8:9960:2E:C412:EC4F:7454:6E3C / talk
 * Nonsense. Unless you want to drop the facade and just admit to wanting to lock up and torture people for not agreeing with you? 21:49, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This right here is what antifa looks like and if you support this group, you're getting Gitmo'd. https://twitter.com/fatjacko/status/1267824615092400132 You're damn right I support locking up and torturing people who burn down entire cities and leave crates of pipe bombs in DC, as Antifa (the terrorist group you're stupidly defending) did. America is going to cheer you terrorist animals getting sent to black sites. Daddy got you out of Quikreting journalists, but he won't get you out of federal terror charges. Reminder that Weather Underground is a federally recognized domestic terror group, therefore the US CAN recognize Antifa as a domestic terror group. I hope your financiers are safe :smirk: . I've reported 6 Wikipedia editors and 2 Rational Wiki editors to the JTTF tipline set up by the FBI. Enjoy. :) &mdash; Unsigned, by: 2607:FEA8:9960:2E:C412:EC4F:7454:6E3C / talk
 * Slight problem with that plan. I have not knowingly engaged in support of any Antifa group via material means. Outside of that, you might want to look up this little thing called freedom of speech. I know folks like Count Dankula are big fans of it. Also, did you know that falsely reporting a crime is in fact a crime? 22:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Just imagine the FBI actually following through and waterboarding a bunch of 20-something nerds behind a keyboard, one wearing a Mario T-shirt. 22:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, Mario does look vaguely like Stalin, so there is that. 22:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Holy shit I never realised that. He actually does tbf.Evilatheistheathen (talk) 11:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * He's even red on top of all this. 20:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Antifa are terrorists
I fucking knew it, but apparently you need set-in-stone evidence just to prove that. There's a wiki that documents terrorist organizations and Antifa is on it, with a bunch of citations from big names like New York Times too. https://www.terrorwatch.ml/wiki/index.php?=Antifascist_Action

Gotta love an "anti-fascist" movement that murders 10 people and assaults 94 more. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 2A0B:F4C1:2:0:0:0:0:251 / talk
 * I can't someone with such a weak understanding of left-wing politics seriously. And since this appears to to have been written by one person, I think we should treat it with some skepticism. Also they don't have the Oath Keepers or the AtomWaffen Division, full blown paramilitary groups, the former of which was involved in the attack on the US capital. 13:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh my gods... I just looked and they don't list FARC, the Shining Path, or current IRA groups, all of whom are still active. How the actual fuck do you list supposed terrorists groups and not include FARC and the fucking Shining Path?!?! 13:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to argue that the definition of terrorism used by the site in question is so broad that someone punching Richard Spencer is considered a terrorist act. This trivializes the term terrorism to a ridiculous extent.  14:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Immediately lost me. 14:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Isn't that a little bit harsh to complain about some terrorist org missing? The wiki was only created last week. The about page states that it was made specifically for Antifa and the Proud Boys because they are seen positively on the media (I kind of doubt it for the Proud Boys, but whatever). At least it has the KKK, Isis and Al Qaeda listed, but it is clearly unfinished and cluttered with red links. 2A00:1768:1001:21:0:0:32A3:201A (talk) 15:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Harsh or not, they were cited as a source for the claim that "antifa are terrorists". My only advice to the original poster is to cite better sources than a newly created backwater wiki. I'm not going to lower my standards for evidence for such serious charges. 15:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Isn't that a little bit harsh to complain about some terrorist org missing? The wiki was only created last week. The about page states that it was made specifically for Antifa and the Proud Boys because they are seen positively on the media (I kind of doubt it for the Proud Boys, but whatever). At least it has the KKK, Isis and Al Qaeda listed, but it is clearly unfinished and cluttered with red links. 2A00:1768:1001:21:0:0:32A3:201A (talk) 15:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Harsh or not, they were cited as a source for the claim that "antifa are terrorists". My only advice to the original poster is to cite better sources than a newly created backwater wiki. I'm not going to lower my standards for evidence for such serious charges. 15:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Bro this shitstain of an article is almost unsourced. Also if you fags think it's wrong, then debunk it with your skeptic superpowers, I seriously thought you were rationalwiki™ lmfao. 2A0B:F4C2:1:0:0:0:0:1 (talk) 15:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want to challenge the article's claims, then actually do so. Cite high quality sources or expect to not be taken seriously. 15:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * By "this", which one do you mean? I know you're speaking of RationalWiki's, but I still wanna hear you say it TAOB. 2A02:120B:2C60:8280:18CC:16CF:BFBC:401D (talk) 15:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition, this article is indeed sourced, 51 sources to exact. 15:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There are multiple paragraphs that scream "citation needed". 2A0B:F4C0:16C:14:0:0:0:1 (talk) 15:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ℕoir LeSable (talk) 15:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't be assed to upload my "This is Bait" memes to this wiki, but this is bait. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 15:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh and yeah since you folks like to act on emotional impulses, I'll give you a hint: if you think the site is 'low quality' because the Oath Keepers are not mentioned anywhere, then why not rely exclusively on the citations themselves? The site states that citations must be credible according to NewsGuard to be allowed. They state exactly what was reiterated on that site: "Antifa hurts lots of people", "Antifa acts like Fascists", etc. 2A0B:F4C0:16C:14:0:0:0:1 (talk) 15:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * So the criteria is "Antifa hurts lots of people"? By that logic, most multinational corporations are terrorists. This is so far removed from any sort of practical use of the word "terrorism" as to be farcical. 15:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Isn't gratuitous violence a form of terrorism that those brown shirts used to advance Hitler's Nazi ideology? Also, the definition of terrorism is based on reliable dictionaries like Britannica, so you're the one claiming that definition of terrorism is false when you're the outlier who use a weirdass definition you made-up for yourself and the rational™ circlejerk. Keep on seething. 2A0B:F4C1:2:0:0:0:0:245 (talk) 16:04, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Classic invocation of Godwin's Law here. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 16:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * He could have mentioned any other political party or group of people but decided to go with Hitler's brown shirts for his example. Man, this troll is either dumb or he doesn't give a fuck and just argues for the sake of arguing. 178.198.8.40 (talk) 16:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)