Forum talk:The Five Arguments for God

There is very dodgy/wonky syllogism - the universe exists, therefore God exists; the first statement does not accept that 'things can create themselves' (summarizing the alternative premise) - or account for the things which do not exist. There is no direct relationship between 'objective moral values and duties' and God (and what about ethics? The Hippocratic Oath?) There are also errors of omission: most cultures with records that are accessible (including quoted by other groups) have one or more gods - is this something implanted by the god or gods, or part of human nature/the search for an explanation? And - what is the 'point' of beauty -, a shiny blue fly, Beethoven's Ninth or some astronomical feature? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)