Essay talk:Comments on the Virginia Personhood Bill

Sorry if I'm talking too much here, but...
...I'd like us to vote on whether my new essay on the Virginia Personhood Bill should get the abortion navigation bar. I think this is the best place to attract attention to this, I'm sorry if this is the wrong place: if it is, just move it where it would be better. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Add navbar

 * 1) The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) It's your essay, do whatever the fuck you want. I'd rather see the whole thing worked over and mainspaced, though. Occasionaluse (talk) 18:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't add navbar

 * 1) Get rid of the first-person shit, move it to main space, let people at large edit it, and put whatever template you want on it. P-Foster  Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 18:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)  It's an essay which states my opinions on the bill. Why shouldn't my comments on the bill be accessible to all? The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) facepalm -- PsyGremlin  18:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)  Why? The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) No to mainspace navbars on essays IMO. PongoOrangutans are sceptical 18:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC) Why? The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)   Because navbars bring people to articles which represent OUR work. If you want to highlight YOUR writing, start a blog. P-Foster  Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 19:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)    First, stop being a fascist scumbag. Third, how does the navbar on the essay bring people to the essay? Simply because of the category? Are essays allowed to be categorized? Occasionaluse (talk) 19:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Essays are categorized by essay categories. this one, for example, would fit into "category abortion essays".  It's a way to keep essays sorta segregated and not pull into the templates.  The navbar brings people to the essay, cause anything in abortion cats is pulled for the random section. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    Grow a vagina 20:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC}
 * 5) No. Essays shouldn't be in navbars unless they're high-quality and represent contributions by lots of people. Cow...Hammertime! 19:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) No. This is so much hyperbole it takes away from the real issues, imo.  WE have an article on personhood bills, maybe you can bring up better criticism of the general bills, there.  This really is "just an essay of your opinion".  And doesn't add anything to the mainspace that merits a navtag.  The one's we have included are generally personal stories of abortion, or why someone is or is not pro choice that make compelling arguments.  They are worth reading because of that personal touch they bring in.  Same with some of the religious essays and atheist essay.  This is just "I think the bill is stupid", which we've already said in the main article. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    Grow a vagina 19:24, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) RationalWiki is not a vanity project. You've been told this before. And if you want to have a vote then don't edit the votes to screw up the numbering. 19:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)  Complete non-sequitur. RW is not a vanity project, therefore you can't use a navigation template on an essay? I sure as hell don't follow. How about no essays at all? It's not a vanity project, ya know... Occasionaluse (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) While it's a blurry line, we generally keep essays and mainspace separate so that essays can be free to say whatever they please and no one's opinions are sanctioned. The exceptions are for exceptional essays.  Sorry.  It's good work, though!  You shouldn't worry about people seeing it; link it from your userpage like I do with my essays.-- 20:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Commentary
''Said in reply to WfG's vote, above. Moved here.''
 * What random section are you talking about? For instance, where do you think User:WaitingforGodot/abort1 is going to start magically and inconveniently showing up? Occasionaluse (talk) 20:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The navbar's bottom section displays a random sample of categorized pages.-- 20:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. In that case, I'd lean towards it being inappropriate. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The dpl only pulls from mainspace - essays wont show up in the 'random sample.' Peter Monomorium antarcticum 20:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it just me or is there no randomness in Template:abortionnav? Occasionaluse (talk) 20:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we're talking about Abortion. But I'm now just confused... Peter Monomorium antarcticum 20:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * YOu're correct, and it's teh section "back alley". I'm not a huge fan of the random aspect, since it can pull in crappy article and gold articles equally.  but that's for a different page discussion.
 * Ok, so if the dpl lists mainspace only, this is a non-issue and HK can use the template on his essays without intervention from the cabal. Occasionaluse (talk) 22:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * But that's teh point. the template itself, adds the cat "abortion", when then adds that article to the random.  and it does pull essays.  what i meant is I cleaned out the essays space in Oct or so, and got all the "essays" from main space cats.  but that meant removing the templates.  if you want to change the templates so they do not add categories, that's a totally different (and preferable) prospect.  I don't know how to do it, or i'd have done it for religion.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    Grow a vagina 22:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Does the dpl list mainspace pages or pages with mainspace categories? It looks like mainspace pages to me. And if it isn't, it could and should be fixed. Was the irony that you are one of the one users to have abortion mainspace categories in your userspace lost? Occasionaluse (talk) 15:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I made a demonstration page to show that that's not the case, but I lost it. You'll note that both your 'abort1' and the 'abortion related stubs' are part of the abortion cat. If it weren't for a parameter in the dpl thing  they would both show up from time-to-time. As it is, they do not, and HK's essay would not if it were added to the cat. It's quite possible that this was changed after you cleaned out the essays from the mainspace cats. I believe the religion thing can be fixed by removing the  from it, btw.

(That being said, I vote 'no') Peter Monomorium antarcticum 03:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Awesome

 * 1) People tend to get annoyed by taking up too much space in the saloon. Look for precedent on your question, do any other essays have a navigation bar to the mainspace (orWhateverYouCallItIAmAWikiNoob)? I looked at other abortion essays and they do not. I am guessing this topic will be removed and you will be told no. /Shrugs. TheCheatI run on alcohol  17:58, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Holy Christ on a cracker, maybe I am psycho and have ESPN? My next prophecy: Obama will become the first American president of Canada!TheCheatI run on alcohol 19:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Psycho or psychic or both?-- 20:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Create navbar
As WfG points out, there is a category for abortion essays, with several articles in it. If having a navigation bar on this is a big deal for you, create a new one to go on these essays. You could start by copy-pasting the wikicode for the abortion navbar & modifying it to use the essay category rather than the mainspace one. 20:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)