Talk:Michael Moore

For an alternate view of reality
"For an alternate view of reality, see Conservapedia's page..." Don't you mean for an alternate view from reality? --Kels 12:24, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, trying to sneak this in at work, whoops!  ʄĹїþþїɲ ;-) 12:25, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

category:The Obese
Do we need or want a category that simply indicates whether someone os portly or not? M. Bohdan, all hail the vandal, seems to think so. Your reasons, Bohdan? We certainly have a number of articles it could apply to, but to what point? human be in 13:57, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * It is factual and relevent. You can't deny that he is obese.  It is what he is known for. I already put al gore in the category. Resident vandal
 * It is factual, but not relevant. I certainly don't deny it.  It is not what he is known for, he is known as a filmmaker and an author.  Question is, do we have BMI cites for borderline people like Gore?  There are easily a half dozen "obese" people who have articles here, but what is the point in noting it? This isn't ED... human be in 14:03, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Who is ED? And I know him as obese! Resident vandal
 * Doesn't Rush belong in there? After all, a reliable source referred to him as a "Big Fat Idiot".  I'd say that's stronger evidence. --Kels 14:05, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Since when is al franken reliable? Resident vandal
 * ED = Encyclopedia Dramatica. And you would not know he was obese if you had not heard of him due to his work.  And, yes, Rush would belong, among others - if there was a point to having the category. That's what I am trying to establish - a reason for the cat that fits RW's goals/guidelines. human be in 14:07, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, Franken's got a book and you....uh...don't. So I'll take his word first. --Kels 14:08, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * For the record, you don't know if I have a book or not. And Hitler had a book that said many things about Jews. Is he reliable too? Do you take his word? Resident vandal
 * Well, I think you just about invalidated your own argument, since almost all of Moore's "notability" with regard to his weight comes from right-wing commentators who want a handy sound bite/ad hom. So I'm not taking their words any more than Franken, therefore Moore's weight is non-notable.
 * For the record, I came to know him due to the buzz around Roger and Me, so his initial notability has been as a documentary filmmaker who understands working-class issues. --Kels 14:17, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Franken doesn't have to be. The NY Times bestseller list said "RL is a big fat idiot". Of course, it is a book title. human be in 14:08, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I hear no justification for the category. Of course, since it is true, feel free to mention his girth in the article, just be sure to be as nasty as you can be about it, so we can tell it's funny. human be in 14:14, 27 July 2007 (CDT)


 * "Ah, but what's obese in (say) Europe is 'really quit thin' in the US." Quote from the Now Show BBC Radio 4 today. Keepyour headdown 14:17, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, I have seen many extremely obese people in Western Europe. Resident vandal

Anyhow, its an attempt at an ad hominem attack with trite justification. What does his obesity have to do with his work? Keepyour headdown 14:35, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Far as I know, it's the most common right-wing criticism of him. Beyond that, nothing. --Kels 14:41, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Most often obesity is preventable, and in his case, I'm pretty sure it is. Illnesses derived from preventable obesity, as is the case with smoking, cost the health care industry billions, and raise costs for all. This, of course, ties in with sicko. And it is not his "most common criticism" Resident vandal
 * Hey Bohdan, I wrote an article about ! And if you want to say what you just said about MM's obesity and sicko in the article, I'm sure no one will mind. human be in 14:44, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * As a troll/vandal, I'm really only in this for the long, fun talk page debate. look how long it goes! Resident vandal

I think it's a fantastic commentary on the lack of intellectual ability on the American right that their most frequent answer to M.M's work is to comment about his weight.--Bob_M (talk) 14:51, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * You people are sad. Even people on the left should take MM with a grain of salt. http://moorelies.com (hint - it's not all about his weight)


 * Haha. I think you could easily substitute the words "right' for "left", and M.M. for G.W.B. and "weight" to "inability to make errorless speeches", and its true! Resident vandal
 * Is that really the main criticism people have of GWB? I thought people were a bit more irritated by activities like starting wars and things like that?--Bob_M (talk) 14:59, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

I call for a boycott of Bohdan. Send him to coventry (look it up). Don't give him the attention he craves or he'll grow up expecting it. Keepyour headdown 14:52, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * So, thats how you deal with me? I guess I am a sucessful troll! Resident vandal
 * No, now HG's gone we need another token Conservative. :-) --Bob_M (talk) 15:01, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

" " (deafening silence)


 * I may have spoken too soon. --Bob_M (talk) 15:30, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Oops. I had to go. Resident vandal 17:38, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

OK, I may not be a conservative, but I have to admit, I got a problem with this guy.I've heard about his editing practices and own two of his books. I just feel like he is trying to make himself out as a martyr, especially than last scene in Sicko where he sends a check to the guy running the anti-MM website.--Nate River 20:07, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Despised?
"He is also despised by some liberals, for engaging in the same kind of distortion, hypocrisy and fabrication as right-wing windbags, thus undermining his own credibility."

(used to say "many" but I changed it to "some")

Seems a bit out there to me. 01:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Latest newsletter.
While I am not always in agreement with Mr Moore I do think that some of the points in his latest message are interesting. Pasted below.--Hillary Rodham Clinton (talk) 17:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

If That 'Mosque' ISN'T Built, This Is No Longer America OpenMike 9/11/10

Michael Moore's daily blog

I am opposed to the building of the "mosque" two blocks from Ground Zero.

I want it built on Ground Zero.

Why? Because I believe in an America that protects those who are the victims of hate and prejudice. I believe in an America that says you have the right to worship whatever God you have, wherever you want to worship. And I believe in an America that says to the world that we are a loving and generous people and if a bunch of murderers steal your religion from you and use it as their excuse to kill 3,000 souls, then I want to help you get your religion back. And I want to put it at the spot where it was stolen from you. There's been so much that's been said about this manufactured controversy, I really don't want to waste any time on this day of remembrance talking about it. But I hate bigotry and I hate liars, and so in case you missed any of the truth that's been lost in this, let me point out a few facts:

1. I love the Burlington Coat Factory. I've gotten some great winter coats there at a very reasonable price. Muslims have been holding their daily prayers there since 2009. No one ever complained about that. This is not going to be a "mosque," it's going to be a community center. It will have the same prayer room in it that's already there. But to even have to assure people that "it's not going to be mosque" is so offensive, I now wish they would just build a 111-story mosque there. That would be better than the lame and disgusting way the developer has left Ground Zero an empty hole until recently. The remains of over 1,100 people still haven't been found. That site is a sacred graveyard, and to be building another monument to commerce on it is a sacrilege. Why wasn't the entire site turned into a memorial peace park? People died there, and many of their remains are still strewn about, all these years later.

2. Guess who has helped the Muslims organize their plans for this community center? The JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER of Manhattan! Their rabbi has been advising them since the beginning. It's been a picture-perfect example of the kind of world we all want to live in. Peter Stuyvessant, New York's "founder," tried to expel the first Jews who arrived in Manhattan. Then the Dutch said, no, that's a bit much. So then Stuyvessant said ok, you can stay, but you cannot build a synagogue anywhere in Manhattan. Do your stupid Friday night thing at home. The first Jewish temple was not allowed to be built until 1730. Then there was a revolution, and the founding fathers said this country has to be secular -- no religious nuts or state religions. George Washington (inaugurated around the corner from Ground Zero) wanted to make a statement about this his very first year in office, and wrote this to American Jews: "The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy -- a policy worthy of imitation. ...

"It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens ... "May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants -- while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid."

3. The Imam in charge of this project is the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. Read about his past here.

4. Around five dozen Muslims died at the World Trade Center on 9/11. Hundreds of members of their families still grieve and suffer. The 19 killers did not care what religion anyone belonged to when they took those lives.

5. I've never read a sadder headline in the New York Times than the one on the front page this past Monday: "American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?" That should make all of us so ashamed that even a single one of our fellow citizens should ever have to worry about if they "belong" here.

6. There is a McDonald's two blocks from Ground Zero. Trust me, McDonald's has killed far more people than the terrorists.

7. During an economic depression or a time of war, fascists are extremely skilled at whipping up fear and hate and getting the working class to blame "the other" for their troubles. Lincoln's enemies told poor Southern whites that he was "a Catholic." FDR's opponents said he was Jewish and called him "Jewsevelt." One in five Americans now believe Obama is a Muslim and 41% of Republicans don't believe he was born here.

8. Blaming a whole group for the actions of just one of that group is anti-American. Timothy McVeigh was Catholic. Should Oklahoma City prohibit the building of a Catholic Church near the site of the former federal building that McVeigh blew up?

9. Let's face it, all religions have their whackos. Catholics have O'Reilly, Gingrich, Hannity and Clarence Thomas (in fact all five conservatives who dominate the Supreme Court are Catholic). Protestants have Pat Robertson and too many to list here. The Mormons have Glenn Beck. Jews have Crazy Eddie. But we don't judge whole religions on just the actions of their whackos. Unless they're Methodists.

10. If I should ever, God forbid, perish in a terrorist incident, and you or some nutty group uses my death as your justification to attack or discriminate against anyone in my name, I will come back and haunt you worse than Linda Blair marrying Freddy Krueger and moving into your bedroom to spawn Chucky. John Lennon was right when he asked us to imagine a world with "nothing to kill or die for and no religion, too." I heard Deepak Chopra this week say that "God gave humans the truth, and the devil came and he said, 'Let's give it a name and call it religion.' " But John Adams said it best when he wrote a sort of letter to the future (which he called "Posterity"): "Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it." I'm guessing ol' John Adams is up there repenting nonstop right now.

Friends, we all have a responsibility NOW to make sure that Muslim community center gets built. Once again, 70% of the country (the same number that initially supported the Iraq War) is on the wrong side and want the "mosque" moved. Enormous pressure has been put on the Imam to stop his project. We have to turn this thing around. Are we going to let the bullies and thugs win another one? Aren't you fed up by now? When would be a good time to take our country back from the haters?

I say right now. Let's each of us make a statement by donating to the building of this community center! It's a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization and you can donate a dollar or ten dollars (or more) right now through a secure pay pal account by clicking here. I will personally match the first $10,000 raised (forward your PayPal receipt to webguy@michaelmoore.com). If each one of you reading this blog/email donated just a couple of dollars, that would give the center over $6 million, more than what Donald Trump has offered to buy the Imam out. C'mon everyone, let's pitch in and help those who are being debased for simply wanting to do something good. We could all make a huge statement of love on this solemn day.

I lost a co-worker on 9/11. I write this today in his memory.

"The man who speaks of the enemy / Is the enemy himself."

-- Bertolt Brecht

End of MM message.--Hillary Rodham Clinton (talk) 17:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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