Talk:Bermuda Triangle

I thought the idea that disappearance rates in the area were "unusually high" was false? Looks like I'll have to do what me and some other guy did to the BT articles on Wikipedia. Totnesmartin 17:33, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm taking this old forgotten stuff far too seriously. I've just ordered the Berlitz book. I could SBS that whole book if I'm not careful. Totnesmartin (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Donald Crowhurst
To the best of our knowledge, Donald Crowhurst was never in the Bermuda Triangle?! 02:38, 10 July 2013‎ (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter, he still gets roped into the mythos whether he was there or not. Bermuda Triangle peddlers aren't very good at research, it turns out. Sophie  Wilder silverbrain.png 13:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

"expert yachtsman" a bit disrespectful, don't you think?

Maybe we could add a note about how Crowhurst being connected to the mythos is part of the misinformation? Kusche has a few pages to that effect in his book.

Actually, actually...
The disappearances are caused by 'the blob' turned hunter. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 19:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Ellen Austin mystery and the Bermuda Triangle

 * According to legend a sailing ship called the "Ellen Austin" found a derlict vessel. The Captain put a prize crew aboard; there was a storm--and the Ellen Austin found the derlict again without a crew. Larry Kusche could not find any contemporary report of this incident although he did trace it to a book "The Star Gazer talks " by Rupert T. Gould-who gave no source.
 * The Ellen Austin did exist-- this website has a source of the derelict ship/Ellen Austin encounter-a June 1906 story from the Daily Deadwood Pioneer Times which claims the encounter took place in 1891!
 * A highly fictioned version by author Morley Roberts appears in his tale "Bull's Yarn" {Pub 1924} in which the derlict vessel is called the "Duke of Portland". See


 * The website is simply a regurgitation of the legend with some of the details of the actual Ellen Austin thrown in. "The Swallowtail Line schooner departed from London on December 5th, 1880, bound for New York. Several weeks into its journey, the Ellen Austin came across an unidentified schooner drifting just north of the Sargasso Sea, listless and “sailing an erratic path.”"  It then uses the Daily Deadwood Pioneer Times to point to a 1891 date for the incident as the beginning of the legend.  It also fails to produced an official report of casualties for the vessel.--BruceGrubb (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


 * A look for Gian Quasar produced this" There may be truth to the old story of the Ellen Austin indeed. In 1873 the Abd-El Kader came across 2 derelicts while sailing to Boston from Europe. The first was the Robert C. Winthrop. They left the vessel behind because a squall was arising. Then later the Kader came across the Kate Brigham, deserted off the east coast of the US." http://www.thequesterfiles.com/html/debunking_debunkery.html --BruceGrubb (talk) 20:03, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

What about the glowing fog and missing time?
I used to be a pretty big paranormal enthusiast when I was a kid, but over the years I grew out of it. However, there are two phenomena of the Bermuda Triangle for which I have never heard a satisfactory explanation: A) Glowing Fog B) Aircraft disappearing from radar for minutes, and every single timekeeping device onboard later being found to be behind by exactly as long as the craft went missing.
 * A) Luminous bacteria (look it up) or light refraction, B) shitty mechanical parts.
 * PS: I used to be big on the Bermuda triangle too, and have plenty of books on the topic. I also watched a special feature documentary on the subject.
 * PPS: Comrade GC (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you honestly suggesting that every single passenger wristwatch and cockpit clock coincidentally had mechanical flaws that set them back by the exact same amount of time, AND that there was an unrelated radar failure that lasted exactly as long and occurred at exactly the same time, ALL without anybody on the plane noticing anything wrong? Given the two choices, Occam's Razor would indicate that there simply is indeed something weird about the Bermuda Triangle.134.129.57.69 (talk) 00:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Or that they're lying, confused, or their entire testimonials heresay.-- Forerunner (talk) 00:44, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Another contributing factor for passenger watches: the onboard announcement 'We will be arriving at … in X hours: local time will be …' Anna Livia (talk) 09:11, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I love the detail that "every single timekeeping device" on board went awry in the same way and no actual source exists that can confirm it, that's classic fortean mythmaking. Millennium Scallion (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So a crew member keeps their timepiece deliberately a few minutes fast/the battery is running out and the clock goes slow, and the person making the announcement doesn't realise this when looking at the clock; or there is a 'technobabble magnetic anomaly arising from an electrical storm which causes hiccups in the electrical equipment.' Anna Livia (talk) 22:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * How do we know "every single passenger wristwatch and cockpit clock" was off by the same (or any) amount? First, show me the crew/passengers timepiece post-incident measurement data (how measured, compiled, when, by who, etc.) and then I'll speculate. Otherwise, I'd just be chasing an unsubstantiated rumor. Millennium Scallion (talk) 23:56, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 'A man with one watch knows the time: a man with two watches does not.'
 * There will be 'reasonable' explanations such as the above for some events - and 'odd random occurrences in random places' outside the BT will just be regarded as such. Anna Livia (talk) 10:42, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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There #are# going to be some places where there is a high frequency of 'odd and changeable weather', low frequency plant and animal activity (algal blooms etc), geological phenomena ('methane burps') etc which will result in 'odd things happening on a regular basis' - and if one applies the 'events occurring and recorded' process in a mist-net like fashion (ie 'catching' any and every reference) one will come across the 'things considered strange enough to be recorded.' (Birds sitting on the roof is not news; parrot sitting on the roof and swearing at firefighters attempting to rescue it is.) Anna Livia (talk) 09:11, 21 August 2018 (UTC)