Talk:Separation of church and state

Omission
Any mention of anti-disestablishmentarianism and its multitude of derivatives (add as many prefixes as you care for, whether or not relevant: the single meaning being 'very long word') Anna Livia (talk) 16:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * How about this? Boredatwork (talk) 20:13, 22 May 2018 (UTC) (not actually at work right now)
 * Crypto-pseudo-anarcho-capitalo-communo-monarcho-Caesaro-papalo-sinster-dextro-clerico-antidisestablishmentarianism (and not a Danube steamship union in sight). Anna Livia (talk) 22:00, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Reddit quote
I've been quite active on Reddit lately, and one thing that I've taken to saying over and over in debates about religion is "Mixing church and state turns both to shit". The idea behind this is that combining religion and politics tends to emphasize the worst features of both — the worldly corruptions of secular governments (such as money-fetishism, cronyism, and other such maladies that prevent an organization from properly serving its people) and the inflexibility and bullheaded self-righteousness of dogma (which prevents things like compromise and results-driven ethics that are necessary for a government to function properly). These problems do tend to crop up in religious institutions and governments separately, yes, but for whatever reason, making the church and the government the same entity tends to make them so much worse than if each left the other to their own devices. In other words, separation of church and state is necessary for both church and state to properly fulfill their societal functions. I'd like to quote myself on the page somewhere, since I think "Mixing church and state turns both to shit" is something that really needs to be spelled out, but I can't see a good place to do it… --Luigifan18 (talk) 05:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Quoting ourselves does not make for a compelling case; it’s essentially citing our opinions as authoritative, and there’s no reason for anybody to consider anybody here an authority (to my knowledge, anyway). Better recognized faces have expressed a similar sentiment, though. For instance, “Religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together”, from James Madison. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒  talk  13:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)