Talk:Mao Zedong

Death Count
"His rule from 1949 to 1976 is believed to have caused the deaths of 40 to 70 million people, making Mao the most prolific mass murderer in human history, ahead of Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin"

This isn't true at all and is only professed by right wing revisionist hacks like Dikotter, Bannister, Halliday and Chang who use massive data manipulation and fabrication to come up with such numbers. The "missing" rate in China, is actually between 3-11 million, though this ignores reasons why birth rate may drop or why people are missing, like mobilization, natural disaster, emigration etc etc. During the GLF China suffered the worst floods it had experienced in decades, this is never brought into account though. There is has been widespread research that shows that such death figures are largely fabricated and have zero basis in reality. The truth is, most people in them, didn't even exist. http://www.Chinastudygroup.net/blogs/eastwindwestwind/files/2009/08/patnaik-famine-measuring.pdf http://www.hkstrongwind.com/pdfs/EBook/The_Battle_for_Chinas_Past.pdf http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward

Such a number should be removed, it is right wing propaganda through and through - MN (talk) 02:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Mao and the death numbers don't add up
Through Mao was responsible for a great number of deaths when looking at the numbers presented, The ideology that he killed "caused the deaths of 40 to 70 million people" is a completely far fetched claim. Under Mao, the life expectancy of the Chinese went up, the death rate of Chinese, according to official UN statistics, was at a rate less than India, Indonesia and the Philippines. A number of statements in this article appear or are simply false or exaggerated to a degree. (See https://gwydionwilliams.com/99-problems-magazine/mao-and-china/ for all of my sources) Therefore, I will change this article in about 7 to 8 days unless evidence appears to the contrary. Click Link Or Gulag (talk) 21:14, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Life Expectancy
No mention of how the life expectancy of the Chinese rose under Mao significantly?


 * Well yeah, killing 30-50 million people with low life expectancies will do that to your demographics. Nog Bogmire (talk) 14:10, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Any sources for that statement? It appears that my good friend up there has provided you with facts from trusted websites, as well as the United Nations themselves. I don't much from your side, to be honest. I mean, for fuck's sake, even the ARTICLE itself states that it has a lack of sources, so there's not much to suggest that maybe, just maybe, these sources may be right. Love, Father White Jackson AKA 194.82.180.254 (talk) 12:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

'Take it to the talk page'...
For what? None of the disputed comments are in any way sourced or neutral in tone, and the consensus will just be the same small group of people reverting anything they don't like. This sort of inanity would not pass for a second on Wikipedia. It's a good thing that site has more traffic and influence...German Tourist (talk) 05:24, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't care, this wiki doesn't follow the NPOV. Even discounting the Cultural Revolution (whose victims tended to be intelligentsia and the party bureaucracy) and the mass killings of landlords (which I shed no tears over), the Great Leap Forward killed over upwards of twenty million people, Mao doesn't get any special treatment, and before you criticize this site as being full of "libs" realize many of us are lefties ourselves, but our mission is to oppose authoritarianism of all stripes, we don't play favorites. I correct centrist bullshit whenever I come across it, but nothing in the things you deleted count as "centrist bullshit." Hell, this article is actually incredibly fair in regards to Mao, your revisions are not needed here. — Oxyaena Harass  06:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It is the mark of true integrity to be able to call out bullshit on your side as well as the bullshit of others. 14:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — Oxyaena Harass  15:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Genocide?
Not to sound like a Mao defender or anything, but did he really commit genocide? The Great Famine and Cultural Revolution, while definitely caused in large part by Mao's incompetence and definitely having a high death toll, don't qualify as genocide because they were not targeted at any particular group. Unless I'm missing something here, Mao shouldn't be included in the genocide category. Plutocow (talk) 02:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It depends on what you consider a genocide. On a broader sense, yes, it was a genocide. But if we're using a textbook definition, no, it was just a major blunder. That's one of the reasons why I don't put him on the same level as Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot (though he's still on my top five worst dictators of the XXth century). I agree with you, we should remove the category. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 02:53, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think Mao committed by encouraging people to kill landlords and rich peasants. But that’s distinct from genocide apparently according to Wikipedia. LongStylus (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)