User talk:173.71.84.126

Slavery vs. penal labor
Slaves are owned and as such can be sold, but prisoners are not. Nerd (talk) 17:52, 18 November 2018 (UTC)


 * That’s chattel slavery. “Slavery” has also been used to refer to unfree labour or forced labour. Hence prison strikers calling penal labour slavery. But my point is we don’t fully condemn slavery as the 13th amendment explicitly condones it as punishment for a crime. So “chattel slavery” would be more accurate. 173.71.84.126 (talk) 18:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems BoN, that you are conflating servitude (involuntary or otherwise) with slavery. Which is in and of itself fallacious. 18:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not really conflating the two. I know full well that slavery has historically meant “human chattel” but the term has evolved to refer to unfree labor over the years. But even that is still allowed under penal conditions. To fully quote the 13th amendment: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”173.71.84.126 (talk) 22:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)