Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive70

Jinx's Law
I have discovered an important corollary of Jinx's Law: The more Jinx talks, the stupider he sounds.

Do I get a noble prize? Bjones 16:35, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You certainly do. But do you want to trade it for the chance to win tonight's star prize???
 * In other news, Jinxmoron's Law is just "I can say you're wrong without explaining myself if I want to." 16:40, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


 * A very noble prize. Nice of him to once again give us a shout out as well, eh? Smyth 16:41, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * We're getting close to the point where his user page is more about us than it is about him...  ħ uman  16:45, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Just as CP is moer about what they're agin than what they're for. CЯacke ® 16:56, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey, thanks Jinx. How can someone as smart as you still be at CP? Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 16:55, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Wasn't the original formation of Jinx's law "The more devoutly Christian you claim to be, the more likely it is you'll be having secret meth fuelled gay sex"? --JeevesMkII 18:02, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

So, er, according to Jinx's Law, the Fourth Reich boys are actually carebear-level tolerant? Barikada 19:01, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


 * According to Jinx's Law, Variant 3, Andy Schlafly is totally closed-minded. Looks iron-clad to me! --Gulik 00:05, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Actions Have Consequences Game
I'm thinking of starting a new game, the Actions Have Consequences game, inspired by Jinx. Whoever can get the most libraries' IP's blocked, wins. I am personally going to get every single public library in the City of Chicago blocked on Conservapedia. Diavolos 17:10, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, great idea.  Should that be added as a points category over at the CP game on uncyclopedia?  ħ uman  17:20, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Treble points if you get CP blocked in the school library at Liberty University, Bob Jones University, etc. --SpinyNorman 18:11, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Infinity minus one points if you get Schlafly's IP range blocked...  ħ uman  18:15, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Side note: Karajou let sysops have an e-mail addy not users though.
 * Wonder if the indirect GUN reference was intended by our favourite parodist: "We need people of his calibre here." :Bungler. 13:18, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 * What's the prize for the winner? A collection of proverbs, suggestions, laws and corollaries by Jinx? Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 17:22, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The prize is the "Home Version" of Conservapedia. (okay, it's actually just a 2-by-4 plank to whack yourself in the head with) --SpinyNorman 20:25, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Another game - could be combined with Actions Have Consequence - hurl as many insults at Jinx as possible. He will proudly list the best ones on his User Page.   w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 17:34, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Or whoever can get Andy to reply or even recognize the Desk/Abuse fiasco. I'm close to WIGO'ing how, on several occasions, he's been pointed to the abuse discussion and yet still shows conservative denial to it. Norseman Wassail!  17:42, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That and the "Debate: Should we stone all the atheists to death?" page. Hilarious, he is hiding from his own blog.--Antifly 17:59, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh yeah! Someone pointed that to him too, and he has yet to reply on that debate as well. Funny though, someone complains about Ed and Andy not only reads it, but fixes Ed's talk page. Ostrich head in the ground... RW should write a book and profit from this. Norseman Wassail!  18:09, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I've thought about this before, only trying to get as many IPs as possible blocked everywhere. That's a little grandiose, so concentrating on libraries is probably the way to go. I'll sock up at mine sometime soon, either doing as much parodying or questioning as I can until I'm blocked. As a bonus, I think we should try to get every common first name and last initial blocked as well, so next time they tell someone use your real first name and last initial, they'll be more likely to say they're unable to (though so many names have associated nicknames; it will take a long time to get all Roberts as well as Robs and Bobs blocked). Perhaps going to a library and registering "JohnA" "JohnB" etc as quickly as possible would be the best way to go. DickTurpis 11:06, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Wait, how do we know who was who? I mean, mine should be obvious, as I'll give them a proper burial, but everyone else...? Barikada 04:01, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Goat sighting!!!
cp:George Hussein Onyango Obama

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4583353.ece

"Yesterday, over a simple lunch of barbecued goat and fistfuls of thick maize porridge, George admitted that he knew little about his famous half-brother. “People keep asking questions, but I have met him only twice and I can’t speak about what kind of man he is,” he said.

“Many people don’t know about my connection,” he continued, dipping a greasy hunk of goat in salt before popping it into his mouth..."

Kan we haz recipy pleez?  ħ uman  19:13, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * How fair is it if a hypothetical human being FIRST advertises a site with plenty of free goat recipes, THEN asks for recipes? Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 19:18, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Anyway, I suggest goat cheese instead of goat meat. The goat will be happier and your stomach too. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 19:19, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * One can only hope once his brother becomes president he'll engage in a little nepotism and appoint him as head of the goat marketing board. Sounds like a quango whose time has come to me. --JeevesMkII 19:21, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey, I offered up our recipes, but why not ask for his favorites, too?  ħ uman  19:23, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Right. I misread you, I thought you were asking recipes from us RW users :-P And I was bitter as I created a sock there a few minutes ago and already forgot his password. How lame is that! Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 19:27, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Why don't you just use the same password for all of them? Or some easy trick, like pword = username backwards?  I do that all the time... oops... well, twice, anyway.  ħ uman  20:03, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Here. I spent a minute creating yer technical solution to the problem, at least in firefox where I tested it. Probably works in other browsers too, but who uses those?

Anyway, here's some bookmarklets generate a password from a user name and then fill it in to the appropriate boxes both on signup and login.

Here, for logging in:

javascript:(function{ var salt = 'AAAA'; var name = document.userlogin.wpName.value; var prekey = salt + name; var nameLen = name.length; var key = ''; for (var i = 0; i < prekey.length; ++i) { var maskChar = i % nameLen; var char = 'a'.charCodeAt(0) + ((prekey.charCodeAt(i) + name.charCodeAt(maskChar)) % 26); key += String.fromCharCode(char); } document.userlogin.wpPassword.value = key;});

And for signing up:

javascript:(function{ var salt = 'AAAA'; var name = document.userlogin2.wpName.value; var prekey = salt + name; var nameLen = name.length; var key = ''; for (var i = 0; i < prekey.length; ++i) { var maskChar = i % nameLen; var char = 'a'.charCodeAt(0) + ((prekey.charCodeAt(i) + name.charCodeAt(maskChar)) % 26); key += String.fromCharCode(char); } document.userlogin2.wpRetype.value = key; document.userlogin2.wpPassword.value = key;});

To use them, first change the "salt" string to something unique to you (the same string in both scripts.) Then right click on the bookmarks bar, select new bookmark, and paste the snippet in to the "location" field, give the bookmarklet a sensible name (I suggest "Conservapedia Login" and "Conservapedia Signup" repectively), go to the the appropriate page, put a username in the box and click the bookmarklet. Et voila. --JeevesMkII 20:26, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Wait, actually... what the hell am I thinking? Here's the bookmarklet in one big honking single definition. Why take two bookmarklets in to the shower?

javascript:(function{ var salt = 'AAAA'; var theForm = null; if (document.userlogin) { theForm = document.userlogin; } else if (document.userlogin2) { theForm = document.userlogin2; } else { return; } var name = theForm.wpName.value; var prekey = salt + name; var nameLen = name.length; var key = ''; for (var i = 0; i < prekey.length; ++i) { var maskChar = i % nameLen; var char = 'a'.charCodeAt(0) + ((prekey.charCodeAt(i) + name.charCodeAt(maskChar)) % 26); key += String.fromCharCode(char); } if (theForm.wpRetype) { theForm.wpRetype.value = key; } theForm.wpPassword.value = key;}); --JeevesMkII 20:45, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Obviously these things are possible but my mind tends to boggle at the ease which you & your ilk do them. 21:08, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Eh, the sooper sekrit global conspiracy of software engineers hides a radical truth from the world, that writing software is pathetically easy. If people were ever to learn this secret they might be motivated to ask awkward questions like "If software is easy, why does my computer crash and burn every five minutes?" or "I wouldn't buy a house that falls down every few days, why the fuck should I buy your software?" or perhaps even "Why does this software come with a disclaimer saying it isn't warranted as fit for purpose?"


 * The rather sad and pathetic truth is that the majority of software engineers are incompetent wankers who got in to the trade for the cash, and in fact with only a couple of months and a small collection of books you could perform better at their jobs than they could. I sometimes kind of miss the 80s, when there was a general feeling that as personal computers became accessible to the common man in a decade writing software would be a skill taught along side writing English in school. If that were the case, I rather doubt my industry would now still be in the primitive state it's still in today. --JeevesMkII 21:46, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I learnt BASIC on a Sinclair Z80, COBOL & C at college (Mature, very, student) Lisp & Logo out of interest but I'd stopped when Object Oriented stuff came along. I occasionally start to read (I've books on every language) but the little gray cells give out sooner than they used to. :-)  21:54, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You know, I've always wanted one of those cute LOGO turtles to plug in to my BBC micro. I ought to check ebay. --JeevesMkII 21:56, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There's LEGO kits that'll do the job - in fact there's quite a nerd thing about them. 22:02, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Atheists on MySpace
As usual, Ken makes a statement that turns out not to be quite right after all. I'd say the boy needs to work on his research skills more, but we all know the moment he finds something negative about atheists/evolutionists/homosexuals, that's where he stops, regardless of the truth. --Kels 20:55, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Like the quote below your second link: "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis - and calling itself Conservapedia. 21:06, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Woah, missed that. I like that quote, too. --Kels 21:19, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Isn't that kind of a truism? Fascism has always had at its core some kind of ultra-nationalism, and national identity is almost always bound up with one or more religions. --JeevesMkII 21:36, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Notice: the quote says when not if. 22:05, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Can we haz hope, at least ;) ?  ħ uman  00:52, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Expectations
You know, as much as Chippertson's Dem Convention notes are infuriatingly spun like cotton candy from the thinnest of fantasies, it's actually the sort of thing I'd originally expected CP to be full of. More like normal Right rhetoric, rather than the raving, staring, bat shit insane and then some ravings of Andy and the Sysops of Doom. Honestly, it's like a breath of slightly recirculated but at least refreshing air, seeing an older style of Conservative rhetoric for once. --Kels 22:35, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmmm - but the danger with normal conservatice rhetoric is that someone might swallow it. CP is SO hatstand that nobody can possibly buy it, can they?  Matt  06:00, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Stephen Fry redux
For those in the UK: that nasty liberal paper the Grauniad has got in on the act.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/aug/26/1

Mick McT 06:16, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Pwnd. $\approx$$\pi$ 06:26, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Heh. Well, what can you expect from an affirmative action columnist? --JeevesMkII 08:19, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Has it been already mentioned in CP? If not, hey you CP Sysops! Conservapedia appears on a big, international newspaper! Whoohoo! Make it Main Page now! Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 08:57, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

JPatt born elsewhere?
His essay makes him seem barely literate in English. Was he born in an English-speaking country? Coarb 09:07, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not just the grammar, it seems barely coherent on any level.
 * It tries to lay out a thesis: "This article is about ... the people whom support Barack Obama". But even if you count the Rezko and Iran references, most of the article is about his past environment, not his current supporters.
 * Does the "special interest s " reference make any sense to anyone?
 * There's one sentence that's bolded as if it's the cornerstone of the piece, but I can't find any evidence to support the claim.
 * I wonder if JPatt is just more experienced at speaking rather than formal writing. Some parts of it seem like they fit a sermon better than they fit a formally written piece.
 * Constant accusations against Chicago mayor Daley. Justice system overburdened, crime at public curfew status, public enforcement in disarray. (Four verbs have gone missing.  Find them and you may help solve a crime.)
 * Does everyone know the religious environment in Chicago? What is going on in Chicago? (Does anyone else hear an echo in here? I think there might be an echo?)
 * --Toiretni 09:40, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There are people intentionally writing in bad language. And that's all I have to say. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 09:45, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Is this the Conservapedia version of the redshirt rule? If a new user tries to stick his neck out as much as the head honcho does, they're almost certainly going to be killed off soon.  Only members of the inner circle have any chance of getting away with it while still managing to be seen as genuine. --Toiretni 10:38, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * It is pretty incoherent, isn't it. Anyway, is "Mobile, Alabama" some cultural byword that I don't get, or is that possibly where he's from. It would explain a lot. --JeevesMkII 09:46, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I want to know what some *other* church (rather, mosque) that is teaching arabic has anything to do with 1) rev. wright, or 2) barack obama (even if he *were* muslim). I sware to go this reads worse than highschool papers.--Waiting for Godot 10:36, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, worse than what I can do, and that's pretty bad. :p It's good to know that all I had to do was read the bottom line first to summarize it up without reading anything else. Norseman Wassail!  11:12, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * This series of diffs is great for JP lulz. Unintentional irony is the best irony, and the copy-editing required for this piece on liberals having a superiority complex is priceless. Corryundefined 15:41, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

See this grammar lesson for JPatt - suggests he may be "of tender years". Will be interesting to see how (if) he will respond.  w easeLOId ~ 16:22, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Answers.com
I don't know how wide spread this is but every now and then there is an article on CP citing Answers.com. Most of an Answers.com result is pulled from Wikipedia, isn't this a violation of one of the Commandments be it in a round about manner? $\approx$$\pi$ 09:10, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They don't give a damn about the commandments. They are just excuses used to ban people that disagree with them. Exasperate me!Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 10:39, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Cantor and Andy
Does it strike anyone else as a little creepy that "VP front-runner" Cantor bears an uncanny resemblance to a younger Andy? Does it give Andy any "If only I had won in 1992" moments, I wonder... --SpinyNorman 09:59, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I find it funny that the reference Andy gives on his "news" item about it on the front page doesn't mention Cantor at all. --Kels 15:57, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * By picking someone who isn't likely to get the nomination, when McCain looses Andy can say "oh, but if you picked this VP, you would have won these states and thus the election." --Shagie 16:13, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Click the link and read the comments. DickTurpis 16:19, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Entertaining, but I checked all eight pages and the still don't mention Cantor. I like the venom at gramma Phyllis, though. --Kels 16:29, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * It was the reference to mommy I was directing you to. I have an idea, every time CP main page links to an article that allows comments, we should make sure disparaging comments about his mom feature prominently. I'd love to see half the links from his site mocking his mom. DickTurpis 21:54, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * The reason it didn't mention Cantor is nobody is taking this seriously but Andy. This seems to me to be an attempt to lift CP's credibility and profile by picking the VP candidate that no one expected and then he can crow about it as a Conservapedia insight or what ever. The only way he can do this is by picking the only person no one else would pick. He was probably told by a "Republican party insider" (his local branch secretary) that Cantor was not out of consideration and so has run with it (or read too much into a news article). I notice he is already trying to distance himself from these claims. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:27, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

was added as ref to the Cantor article. Hmm, one appeal he has is possible appeal to, the, uh, chosen people. Like they are going to flock to the GOP for a big business shill like him. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:06, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

They're dropping the ball over there
I mean, what does it take to get banned these days? First I register with a name that should have got me banned right away, (I even spelled it out for them, and it was this edit that finally did get me banned days later), I use a proxy from God knows where, they obviously do a checkuser because another sock of mine gets banhammered but they don't ban me. Then I question them on all sorts of innocent things that still usually get others banned (BS in their news section, Andy's class size idiocy, triangular trade, etc.), I call out Ed fuckin' Poor for abuse in his blocking, I insert BS into a bunch of articles on insects, and NOTHING. It's like I can't get arrested in this town. DickTurpis 10:15, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's so unfair, I was banned only for inspiring Jinx with a couple quotes. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 11:51, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I was blocked for registering with my first name and initial. Of course only a total klutz would think that makes any difference. So I registered with something completely bogus and in revenge have been inserting parody to my heart's content. Jinx, your'e a complete buffoon. Actions have consequences! [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   14:42, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I signed up with a random, nonsensical name and proceeded to act like a parody of a clueless fundementalist buffoon. I'll probably be a sysop soon. 14:44, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I signed up with my new RW name, let's see how long it will last. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 15:24, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * P.S. I know it will be you Jellyfish blocking me there with your random, nonsensical name. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 15:25, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh come on, give Jinx a chance! There's no way he'll be able to figure that one out, Ed. Perhaps something simpler like "IAlsoEditAtRationalWikiWhichIKnowYouDon'tLikeSoIApologise"? Play fair. 15:29, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I thought so until a few minutes ago. But when you told us that you were Jinx, I understood that you just play stupid. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 15:36, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Argh! I'd normally be proud and honoured to be blocked for being Ames. But HenryS knew it so well that I'm not Ames. This is just depressing. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 18:24, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

HelpJazz
I'm a little lost -- what happened to HelpJazz? <font color="#4169E1" face="courier">JJ4e <font color="#FFA812">Got milk? 12:01, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Aww, it's a sad story of the poor, perpetually-passed-over yet earnest editor who eventually just faded away with little fanfare. He didn't really go out with a bang or even a farewell.  He just kinda... stopped.  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  12:18, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy promised to review his application for night edit rights in "a couple of day's time". Of course nothing ever happened about it and thugs like Jinx & Bugler got promoted as well as complete newbies. So he just gave up. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   14:45, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Poor lad. But that's how things are in Andyland. Thanks. <font color="#4169E1" face="courier">JJ4e <font color="#FFA812">Got milk? 15:37, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Let us not forget poor Iduan. - CЯacke ® 00:30, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It has always been Andy's policy to promote the ideologically pure rather than the good contributors, or the competent. $\approx$$\pi$ 00:34, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Although he likes to pretend CP is a "meritocracy". The only merit he acknowledges, sadly, is "agreeing with Andy". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:56, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Did anyone try to contact HelpJazz and invite him here? $\approx$$\pi$ 00:58, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think he was here - but didn't like us. :-) 01:01, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That is sad, weren't we nice to him? $\approx$$\pi$ 01:04, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I believe he was Lurker. He basically didn't subscribe to our general POV and largely gave up here at the same time as he gave up on CP. I don't believe that we were nasty to him but he did challenge some posts here, so he served a useful function while he was around. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   04:08, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's a bit of a weighty accusation to level. I never got the faintest impression that Lurker was anything more than Lurker.  Are you sure your CP-radar isn't malfunctioning?   04:18, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) I never thought he was lurker, but he did show up as Jazzman831, I think. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  07:57, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Iduan's Parthian is copied here for safety. 13:31, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Grammar war
An ugly edit war :-D Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 15:37, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Edit summaries
This is not WIGO worthy or possibly TWIGO worthy but Eds edit summaries can can be interesting to say the least. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:55, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Okay now these two are ridiculous. $\approx$$\pi$ 07:42, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Once more unto the breach
Ed defines a new policy: "please don't confuse Ed". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:10, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, should I have WIGO'd that? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:10, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Go and WIGO it, and do it well. That's my writing assignment to you. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 20:19, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Points will be removed if an ironic reference to the Schlafly Reversal is left out. --SpinyNorman 20:30, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Whah...?! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:31, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorry - just felt that if one is going to poke fun at Ed chiding people over taking discussions off into tangents and loops of senseless arguments, he should remember that this is one of Andy's favorite tactics when boxed into a logical corner. Being a liberal of course, you're as likely to agree with me on that you are to agree with the obvious fact that abortions raise the risk of breast cancer.  --SpinyNorman 23:56, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Now the fog clears... it's all about "the basics". Ed's new idea makes things easier for the sysops: only write uncomplicated articles. <font color="#4169E1" face="courier">JJ4e <font color="#FFA812">Got milk? 21:10, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What led to this article / policy of Ed's? He mentions "a remark about a contributor's qualifications to be a math teacher" - sounds like maybe he's been pwned in a math debate or two recently . . . <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 21:17, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it relates to the entire topic of mathematics on CP, and Ed's being pwned at every article he goes near, and then deleting it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:22, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The reason for this outburst seems to be here:  ... --LArron 01:40, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll buy that story. Ed Poor = Lump, that thinks it is smart, but has not provided evidence since 11th grade. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:49, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * At least, half of this prophecy (Stealth Disruption) was fulfilled:
 * <ul><li>09:28, 27 August 2008, Karajou (Talk | contribs) blocked DirkE (Talk | contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (Sock of blocked user: sock of vandals Jim01, PamAyers, VladDubovsky)</ul>
 * Is there any connection between Jim01, PamAyers, BladDubovsky, DirkE - or the other editors whom Karajou banned as socks of DirkE (Kaz, Adrian25, Kaprisky, SybianR, EmilyC, ThomasJSmith and StanleyB)? --LArron 04:39, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Heh, looks like somebody already asked the good question: "...why not?"
 * In the meantime, Ed proves that he can be even weirder: "I accept your source, but not what it says!" (Wolfram = Mathworld) --Sid 05:57, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And now he is on a deletion spree. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 06:50, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Slow
Pretty slow here. Everyone watching Obama? Impressive speech, innit? DickTurpis 22:35, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I've sort of idly been following the reaction on the Group News Blog, who's got a few folks on the floor there. All else aside, this is just plain visceral.  McCain's got nothing to top that sort of enthusiasm. --Kels 22:46, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not a bad speech, a bit "lumpy" though. Thought he was gonna end it a few times.  Still, looked like he memorized it, and made many good points. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:08, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Did you catch the immediate "point by point" response from Team McCain after the speech ended? Here it is:


 * "Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama," spokesman Tucker Bounds said. "When the temple comes down, the fireworks end, and the words are over, the facts remain: Senator Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year, and still voted against funds for American troops in harm's way. The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be President."


 * Wow, that really took apart over an hour of quality oratory and Obama's 29 specific points regarding his policy positions. Next week ought to be interesting, and I can't wait for the debates. --SpinyNorman 00:01, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The debates are gonna rule. As I said, he had his speech "in his head".  McCain doesn't know what a PIN is, let alone remember one. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:08, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

(unindent)Chip gives us a wonderful analysis of Obama's speech here. "Fundamentally weak"? Really? In quotes? Funny, since I can't find any transcript that says that. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  01:12, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Looks to me like you are trying to make some silly troll famous. Whatever, CP won't honor their contribs... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:19, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Are you kiddng? Ed put it up on the Main News section.  (Good thing those Sysops handle the quality-control, right Croc?).  I Had called out the bad quote on the main Talk page, and had initially tagged Ed with this until I realized he was the poster, not the author. --SpinyNorman 10:19, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Chippeterson seems to have been around a while. He was really active about this time last year. He didn't do anything for a month, but seems to have got right into this Wikiproject thing. Which reminds me I am suppose to writing a proposal for ours. $\approx$$\pi$ 01:56, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Anyone else convinced the only reason Barney Smith got to speak was so they could do the pun with his name? As I was watching I wondered why a guy who was not a very good speaker was given the podium, though his story was pretty good. DickTurpis 15:50, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I didn't get the whole "Greek temple" thing. The dais looked more like the Enterprise to me... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:31, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Denmark
Okay, somebody please enlighten me: what sort of inside joke significance does Denmark have? There was this perplexing comment from HenryS in response to a question about Jinx's bullshit law a couple of days ago, and now he's done this to Human's userpage. What's with that? Johann 04:43, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's a sad story, quite reminding of Romeo and Juliet. There are two youngs, who unfortunately happen to belong to different, enemy families: Andreas Rationalwikian, who happens to be a Dane, and Henry Conservapedian, from Ukraine one day, the US the other. Every contact between these two families has been shut down, only mockery and false accusations are permitted. Henry is too loyal to his family to abandon them and join his Andreas. That's why his only consolation is his diary, where he writes about his loneliness and his admiration for a Dane Danes. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 05:54, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks for tipping me off to Shabby's abuse of my castle! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:58, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Addiction to unchastity
This is pretty funny. Obviously David Duchovny's sex addiction is a direct result of his TV role which leaves him "trapped by the depravity that he promoted". . . . Isn't there supposed to be a 'no gossip' rule? <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 06:18, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but the "We must speak the harsh truth about liberals" commandment overrides all other commandments, so gossip is cool as long as it's gossip about whoever CP claims to be a liberal. And Bugler maybe should've named the series in question. Before I checked the source, I assumed that he meant The X-Files. --Sid 06:43, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * As Bugler was mentioned, this edit is so over the top that I can't find good words for a WIGO entry. Liar at RP(Ed at CP) 06:53, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I thought he meant X-Files too. That may have been deliberate - by Conservapedia standards, it probably is quite a "decadent" show.  . . .  In other news, Ed Poor finds Hello Kitty "almost painfully cute".  Awwwww.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 08:07, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "He had a recurring role as a transvestite DEA agent on the series Twin Peaks and played the narrator/host in the long-running Showtime erotica/softcore TV series Red Shoe Diaries." (WP) Seems he's always been a bit sex oriented in his roles. 08:37, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Did Ed really say that Hello Kitty brings out paternal affection? Seriously Ed, you have paternal feelings over a fictional cartoon character? Well that certainly explains the obsession with cleaning the feminism out of LOTR [(that and the general misogony9(sp?)] <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  11:40, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Gawd help us if Ed ever comes across Hello Cthulhu. --PsyGremlinWhut? 20:22, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I have the Hello Kitty tarot deck, if that helps. --Kels 20:27, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

McCain's VP
Since McCain has picked an inexperienced woman from Alaska as his VP, who must have gotten to where she is from Affirmative Action (not being a white male), we will now open the floor to predicted Andy quotes :) --BoredCPer 10:48, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * She's governor of the second largest (or is it the largest? I always forget) state in America, and has helped Bush open up all that unused land to Oil exploration. How can anyone possibly say she's inexperienced? She's a great conservative and a visionary! Bondurant 10:55, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

And her first action as VP candidate was to register on CP, and get banned by Terry for writing "hi" on her userpage. DickTurpis 10:57, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well her grammar was poor in her next article, so the block is absolutely justified. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 11:09, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * She must have made the "Affermative Action Vicepresident" article(s), as did TequilaJinx it seems. Timeline fits, anyway, since TerryH deleted 'em and it won't show on their contribs. <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  11:13, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy sez it's a "Conservative Triumph". Oh the irony!!!11 <font color="#4169E1" face="courier">JJ4e <font color="#FFA812">Got milk? 11:15, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And there I was thinking he's pick Kucinich. DickTurpis 11:16, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sure, if they're democratic, it's affirmative action. If conservative, omfgz... CONSERVATIVE TRIUMPH! Mission Accomplished, bitches! <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  11:20, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't see these edits lasting for long... Bondurant 11:23, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Let the spin-control begin... --SpinyNorman 11:34, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) This rule doesn't seem to apply to democrats and/or liberals. Corryundefined 12:49, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * loler, brilliant. <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  13:05, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Notice how Andy just instantly ejected his own personal pick and "front runner" from his mind? It's like Cantor never existed. --Kels 15:18, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Good or Bad choice?
This probably isn't the right page for this, but what do people think of McCain's choice, from the perspective of winning the election and being a decent President should the need arise. (I'm not looking for people's personal opinions about her or her politics). Did McCain make a mistake in choosing her? Was she a good choice? DickTurpis 11:35, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't say much because Alaska is like the opposite end of where I am in the US, but it tells me that McCain is really out of touch. <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  11:48, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I think of it as being a very bad choice, and a turning point in the election. I've thought well of Palin since she stood up to the corrupt Republican leadership in Alaska and was elected over their hand-picked candidate.  However, in terms of this election she's the wrong choice,  She has less experience in major office than Obama, and it comes in a state that is significant, but very removed from the mainstream of American life in terms of population, industry and politics.
 * I believe McCain chose her because she's got a reformer's record to help him show he's serious about changing the Bush legacy, and she's conservative (pro-life & pro-NRA) without any serious negative baggage. Her lack of baggage is due to a lack of experience, though, and this choice removes any ability to attack Obama on experience.  It also sets up a potentially devastating debate between her & Biden, who completely outclasses her on experience, foreign policy and readiness to step into the #1 spot if necessary.  In the end, it's making McCain look like he prioritized playing it safe and going for image (young, female, independent) over balancing his own weaknesses (economy, economy, economy), and I think it'll backfire quickly.  Instead of the next few days being a Republican celebration of a power ticket in the run-up to their convention, it's going to be a distracting "WTF?" discussion where his judgment will be questioned instead. --SpinyNorman 11:53, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Insightful post. I hope you're right. Bjones 11:59, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Is the lack of experience so important for Vice President as opposed to President? Editor at CPLiar at RP! 12:02, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Experience is really important when you consider that there is a serious chance Mccain could die in office. The vice president needs to be ready to step in and heal a country if the president dies.  Personally, I think he's in for a lot of trouble.  Not only for the experience issue, which he's been attacking Obama over for several months now (it'd be like Obama hiring Karl Rove to head the end of this campaign) and on top of that, Palin is bogged down by scandels in the two short years she's been governor, including an investigation as to whether she illegally fired a state employee because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband's brother.  Mccain was looking for young and hip, but showed how out of touch he is with reality.  He's also seriously underestimating the severe, unrational hatred that many in his base have towards women.  Throw in that she will be forced to debate Joe Biden, who's going to run circles around her (I believe) and I have to conclude that this is going to be just like Quayle in 1988/1992 and Kemp in 1996.  I see this horribly backfiring on the GOP. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  12:07, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

She's hot. ..



(undent after laughing)

Experience matters - this is the person who's next in line to take over, and while it happens rarely the consequences are serious. If the new president died in early 2009, which VP choice is better equipped to wind down the war in Iraq, manage Afghanistan as the Pakistani government collapses, and deal with the current challenges in Russia/Georgia, Iran, China, etc. --SpinyNorman 12:11, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I think she is a very bad choice. As I wrote elsewhere, I think it is a move to try to get some of the Hillary supporters to vote Republican.  In every other way it just seems bad.  I too want to see the Vice-Presidential debates now more than ever.  12:16, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The Vice Presidential debate is Oct. 2nd. The best part is that Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens trial will be well underway at that very moment.  12:22, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Biden is going to skewer her. Sterilesnore! 12:20, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Like a wild boar! Let us hope she doesn't have any mithril vests among her possessions... <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  13:16, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * She also happens to be a creationist. She is under investigation in the corruption currently going on in Alaskan politics; she is not at all aware of world affairs (just like McCain); and ONE YEAR ago, she was the MAYOR of a small alaskian town of 1,500 people.  Budgets are nothing like they are at teh national level; policies are far more "simplistic" than a Washington, California, Texas or New York; the population is small enough that you don't really juggle the variety of issues you must in these mega states.  I do not see her able to answer the most basic questions of international politics, Health Care reform, tax abatement, education etc.  She simply does not have, in 1.5 years, the awareness of what is needed by a nation and how you fix it.  But she's a woman, so all those hillary fans will just flock to her, right?  being so in touch with women's choice, and equal pay, and health care, and child-sick leave, and other family value platforms.--Waiting for Godot 13:02, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

OMG, perpetuating gender stereotypes. --Toiretni 13:06, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Regarding that caption by Cracker' above, here we go. Anyone willing to add that caption or some other equivocal phrase to that article? Editor at CPLiar at RP! 15:33, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This seems to me to be the most blatant attempt to woo the sisterhood. Hey, girls, didn't like your candidate being beaten by the black guy, then come on board the Republican express and get a woman VP. I only hope we get a real life version of Commander In Chief Silver Sloth 16:34, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Dinsdale, why are you cross-posting all your comments here and at CP? It's giving me deja vu! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:03, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

5 reasons Palin is unfit for the Presidency
Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig. Anyone who gives such names to her children lacks the judgment needed to be President. There. I said it. DickTurpis 15:45, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think Conservapedia is down again.... Maybe Andy read the news and passed out on his keyboard, twitching and mumbling "a woman, he picked a woman." Just a thought. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  15:48, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's working for me. Anyway, Andy seems to like the pick, though he may be like all Republicans and praise it publicly regardless of what they really think. I wonder what mommy thinks? She's probably fine with it. It's not like she has a newborn child she needs to stay home and raise. Or, heaven forbid, one with a developmental disorder who requires special treatment-
 * Oh, wait. DickTurpis 15:53, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Wait, what's wrong with those names? Look, a place to race cars, a nickname for breasts, a pretty tree, a small airplane, and math!  She's got it covered! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:29, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * A nickname for breasts? What is that, cockney rhyming slang? Bristol dockers = knockers? That's the best I could come up with. DickTurpis 16:34, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Close - it's Bristol City = Titty according to the Urban Dictionary Silver Sloth 16:37, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I was wondering the same thing actually, but figured it was some limey reference I wasn't familiar with <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  16:38, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cue best Dick Van Dyke Cor blimey, guvnor - look at the bristols on that dolly bird. - I don't think I've heard it used for maybe 30 - 40 years and then only in Carry On films. Silver Sloth 16:41, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Does anyone actually speak Cockney anymore? -- 16:45, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There needs to be a Cockney Nationalist Movement! --Kels 17:34, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I heard it was from the Bristol and West building society, but meanwhile, here's Conservapedia's Bristols. Totnesmartin 17:00, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "he may like all Republicans and praise...". Here is Andy's first take on McCain last year. He kept adding smearing gossip on him until it became evident that he would be Republican candidate. Today the article glorifies him. His position on global warming puts him at odds with conservatives? His environmental proposals are mostly sound modern thinking by someone that understands the enormity of the problem. He isn't 100 % against gun control? John McCain has been a reliable ally of gun owners despite divisions with the powerful lobbying group on some issues. I wish some good-hearted Rationalwikian studied the history of the John McCain article in Conservapedia (as I already wished when he wasn't sure of the nomination yet). Editor at CPLiar at RP! 16:50, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Oddly familiar sound
someone do me a favor. Read the comment to this post and tell me if LvLiberty1 sounds a lot like our friend at Conservapedia. I don't think it's one of them, but notice the use of unverifiable anecdotes, and the complete ignoring of uncomfortable statistics. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  16:19, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

reaction to Paris Hilton video
In Paris Hilton's video, she 1) called McCain a "wrinkly white-haired guy", 2) noted that she is "hot", 3) put forward a energy policy. The video was generally well-received, but probably caused the McCain campaign a little consternation since they indirectly caused it.  Perhaps the choice of Palin is just a reaction to it.  Palin 1) counterbalances McCain's age, 2) she...  well, she doesn't come off as a dumb blond, but she posed for Vogue, 3) she's from Alaska and supports drilling in ANWR, which many Republicans see as good energy policy. --Toiretni 16:22, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Problem connecting
I've been having this problem for a while: About a third of the time I can connect to CP fine, the rest of the time Firefox says "Page Load Error" "Firefox cannot find the server at www.conservapedia.com". When this happens I can tell Firefox to connect through an open proxy, and it will connect just fine.

It is usually in the morning when it won't connect. Typically I'll be be able to connect around 11:00 central time without a proxy until sometime in the afternoon when it will usually stop connecting again. That can vary significantly from day to day though.

Does anyone know what is up? I'm connecting through work so for obvious reasons I'm not super exciting about telling the IT guy "So there is this website I can't connect to..."

This only happens with CP and has never happened with another website. Any ideas? Bjones 17:37, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

The worst part of CP
...is the irony. They're so damn bad at making a conservative encyclopedia, it makes me want to make one just to show them how. And I'm an NDP loyalist! --Kels 17:49, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No no, you are wrong. Give them time and they'll build a wonderful encyclopedia. It just takes one step at a time, today they learned how to write an article. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 17:55, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I second that motion. I can imagine a decent conservative encyclopedia, but Conservapedia aint it.  The main reason I read Conservapedia is to understand how conservatives think, but I doubt Andy's personal blog is representative of broader conservativism. Agreed, we can build a better one. --Toiretni 18:11, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It isn't even so much that I want to see a real conservative encyclopedia made, but there's only so many times you can watch someone hit themselves in the face with a hammer while trying to drive a nail before you can't help saying "Gimme that!" --Kels 18:28, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone quoted your text above, I hope you don't mind. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 18:21, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, lemme qualify that a bit more. I'd love to see an actual homeschooling encyclopedia, because there are ways homeschooling can work well. Hell, Human and I have talked about it before, the idea of having a series of homeschool students slowly build one up as part of their learning (with help from parents/instructors/tutors, of course) is a good one, I think. But of course it wouldn't resemble Andy's trash in any way. --Kels 18:32, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I always suspected Icewedge's magnus opus on Alaska of being something he wrote for a school assignment and copied here for fun. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:52, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Palin and "Teaching both Sides"
Ruh-roh. Apparently she's more of a fundie than previously mentioned. In early 2006, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Palin said the following about creationism at a debate:


 * "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides."

Hope this gets more press. --SpinyNorman 18:07, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Umm, that wasn't my quote. --SpinyNorman 18:31, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorry, I put it in the wrong section - see the section above. I'm going to block myself now for being too drunk to edit well. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 18:33, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm fine with teaching sides of science and fables but if we are going to teach ID then we need to teach Horton Hears a Who with as much prominence. I really believe in that Horton and his Whos. They deserve to be heard. And we should ask them questions like what if a window was really a door? then say there is no wrong answer.  Or rub crystals on their foreheads. . . or goat's blood milkExasperate me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! Not the most impressive contributor here 22:12, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wait, what's wrong with that? I don't mind teaching both. If there were time, it would be great for alchemy to be included in a chemistry class, as a relevant part of the evolution of chemistry. Just as long as they're not saying that creationism is anything more than a fable, it's fine. Well, unless somebody actually finds evidence for creationism, but... -Judas Reward 14:07, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Jinx, Jinx, Jinx, you truly are a fucking moron
So Jinx decides to remove a paragraph on Affirmative Action Vice President from the flagship Darkie President Affirmative Action President article because "there is no actual policy" governing the use of affirmative action when choosing VPs. Brilliant! And you didn't delete the entire article why? DickTurpis 18:14, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Shiver me timbers
I'm bored enough to pick on minor grammar errors, & the phrase "you're contributing to me talk page" makes me giggle. Maybe because I have a mental image of Andy saying it in a Geoffrey Rush style pirate accent. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 18:22, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Now, the odds are that editor wasn't sincere, but Andy's dismissal of them an edit later was just nasty. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:51, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Bugler permablocks him as a vandal. Funny definition of vandal since Blahpigsblah made no edits before being blocked, & CRez / CRezAgain only made talk page comments querying the block.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 19:04, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If they created an article and it was deleted the edits vanish (except in the deletion log). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:05, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You can cross-reference the deletion log with the creation/block log. Blahpigsblah most definitely didn't create any articles (no log entry between creation and block, and Andy's block was a 3-day name block). And after the registration of Crez, only one article had been deleted: "Category:Sham peer review", and that just because Andy decided to re-categorize stuff, not because of wandalism (edit summary: merge into "peer review"). --Sid 20:42, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy the Admin - a late night ramble
Considering that everybody in the know (i.e. in on the joke) knows that Andy is the persona behind that blog and his mummy is probably funding it, you'd think he'd take a slightly more active role in making sure things run smoothly over there. Yet he doesn't, delegating instead to a bunch of people that I wouldn't want parking shopping trolleys without adult supervision. If anything, he seems to dive for cover at the first hint of a shit storm.

No reasons (or more importantly, reassurances) are given when the site was going up and down like a whore's drawers yo-yo. For that matter, he apparently couldn't even be bothered to dip into the mater's purse again to make sure somebody who actually knows wiki gets the upgrade working first time.

Then we have this reply to a complaint about Bungler *cough*parodist*cough* dishing out unreasonable blocks. During the fake Jinxyou thought I was going to say it, didn't you? episode, there was no sign of him, until Dean blocked the imposter, then only did he crawl out from under the table to make that remarkable (and bizarre) comment about pro same sex marriage liberals using similar tactics. The sysop complaints (abuse) department is a farce and might as well be deleted - goodness knows when last he set foot in it, or made a decision, for that matter. Oh sure, he'll block vandals at the drop of a hat (of course, his idea of a vandal is probably everybody in the world, except him, mummy and the ghost of Ronnie), but as the admin of that blog - what does he actually do, except write insanely bad entries?

As has been mentioned, he'll dish out pats on the head for a block, but there's silence when the vandalism is reverted. Considering that there's <insert ever decreasing number here> editor's over there, basically building his pet project for free, the contempt with which he deals with the editors peons never fails to astound me. His treatment of PJR clearly shows that nobody is safe there, or appreciated - and why PJR is still sticking around beats me. The man must have a heart the size of Ayers rock (or be just as batshit insane as the rest of them).

Besides Andy and his goons (who, quite frankly, deserve each other) surely the other editors over there must at some point wake up and smell the coffee. What's the point of editing with the constant threat of a block hanging over you - the reason for which could range from Smeg Ed not understanding it (which obviously hurts his feelings), to getting caught in one of Kajagoogoo's country-wide blocks, or simply becoming a pawn in Bugler's parodist! one man drive to chase everybody away anyway? No matter what your intentions are over there, realise that you are never going to change that blog from within, because unless you're Andy or a goon, you ain't even close to being "in" mate. Cut your losses, head here or to Wikipedia and leave those guys to drag what could have been an interesting project into the mire. If nothing else, do you really want to be associated with the laughing stock of the internet? --PsyGremlinWhut? 19:05, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * QFT, mate. I've been thinking along these lines for quite a while, although the mess with the DeanS abuse advice case really underlines it, bolds it, and draws annoying little stars all around it.  And sparkles, did I mention sparkles?  Well, there's sparkles.  And lens flare.  And maybe a pirate.  And...where was I going with this? --Kels 20:11, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I dunno,but it was getting very pretty while it lasted... --PsyGremlinWhut? 20:26, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey thanks for that read Psygremlin, on the same lines here. But what is that "fake Jinx" incident you mention? Editor at CPLiar at RP! 20:30, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Without having read the long post there (will do so tomorrow), I think he meant the JasonH thingy where somebody created said name and went on a merry abuse spree, calling people "mouthbreather" and being a general dick. I think it took people on CP a while to realize that Jason was in fact NOT Jinx. --Sid 20:45, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Linky and our TWIGO -starts on the CP page about halfway down - look for the entries by JasonH. There were also a couple made on some of the maths articles, which resulted in Ed dishing out an infinite block to DiEb for personal remarks. --PsyGremlinWhut? 20:47, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh I was away right in those days. What did I miss! Thanks, Editor at CPLiar at RP! 21:24, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia blocked
This evening I was at a church hall using their ethernet web connection, I enterd CP's address to find that they were blocked for unsuitable content! Isn't that absolutely GREAT?!1!!!?** So much for Ken's evangelising zeal in the UK! The cleric in charge initially thought that I was trying to acccess porn and couldn't explain why they were blocked but suspected it was the homosexual stuff when I showed him Ratwiki's commentaries. Suck that Andy! 22:26, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Classic! There is a God, and damn if She doesn't have a wicked sense of humour. --PsyGremlinWhut? 22:35, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Er, inquiring minds are now curious what Susan Garlic Breath was doing in a "church hall"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:38, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They sure are.
 * Actually, you are as well, aren't you Human? ^_^ 22:39, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Nice one, Susan! --SpinyNorman 22:41, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am what as well, jellybreath? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:42, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Curious! :) You said "enquiring minds" are curious. But you didn't mention yourself! Silly Huwman [[image:nods.gif]] 22:56, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Linux User Group - run by said cleric who's a decent guy (Yes I showed him my user page) He's got servers @ the Church hall networked to his house and all sorts of cool stuff. 22:47, 29 August 2008 (EDT) (downloaded about 20 MB of updates while I was there )
 * Aww, ya big LUG! --Kels 23:16, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ALERT THE PRESSES! Dateline: Some Damp Dump in England: Susan Jayne Garlic Breath of RationalWiki fame calls a "cleric" a "decent guy". We suspect her password has been hied !!!!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:17, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, that explains all the pigs flying around the neighbourhood this morning. -- 05:41, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Polishing her rocket
Interesting to see how this one will go down over at CP - it seems someone was editing the Sarah Palin entry on Wikipedia rapidly this week night. Be interesting to see how Andy will respond to this one. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  22:58, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Isn't that a modern-age job description? "Wikipedia editor for the cause"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:13, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Your header reads vaguely like a euphemism for ... something, Dog. 23:15, 29 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Well, I'm often to be found polishing my rocket, that might be why.  Mine is huge - you should see it some time.   I take it out almost every day and give it a good going over.   I've had people say they're very impressed by it - especially the long shaft.   But mostly it's the big chrome fins and very detailed engine and exhausts that really impress them.   It doesn't fly any more though.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  00:08, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't want to see your rocket! 00:15, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Dog, I heard you rocket burned out upon the last attempt at reentry.... any truth to this? <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  00:33, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There have not been any problems with my 'O' rings, SirChuck.  People do tend to say "Ohhhhh" when they see it though.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  02:54, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "I'm a rocket man... burnin' out" blah blah blah. Elton and his buddy wrote it, but "Kirk"'s version rules for all time! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:07, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Aschlafly insists on labeling public schools "atheistic" rather than "secular".
I may have made a fatal error... BSOD be upon me! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:24, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I got warned. Why do I feel dirty? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:35, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Where's that "OBEY!" graphic from RWW when I needs it...? 23:38, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Nothing like living under the gun to motivate you to work even harder! --Kels 23:43, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "Sorry Sir! No Sir! Three bags full Sir!" Creep! 23:47, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I love the "was fully discussed and resolved in favor of atheistic" bit. It lines up with the discussions about Dawkins and Obama having been fully discussed and resolved in favor for whatever Andy defined as The Truth... simply by going all "I am the founder, and I mam right because I am right. Also, you are a liberal who wishes to censor The Truth." --Sid 05:20, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * From CP's public schools page: "...it is astounding how few prominent Americans attended public school after the banning of school prayer in 1962." They then list 20 pre-1962 prominent Americans, and 21 post-1962 prominent Americans. Yup, that's a good way to prove the point.. alt 07:55, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Crocoshite's fabulous body of work
CP WWGO (What Was Going On?) time, because I was bored. Looking at the history of Sarah Palins article, I was reminded of another article on an Alaskan politician, Sean Parnell, both of which I'd tidied up a while back. Lo and behold, both entries were originally created by Crocoshite last year when he was on a Governor and Lt. Governor of the US bender. Not only are they both fawning tomes (due to being direct copies from the official sites) but the fantastically bonkers redlinking that he put into both articles haz moer lulz - "business friendly environment" and "dynamic leader" being expected articles. Also worth noting is that when he created all these articles on politicians, he failed to include their political party, which would normally seem relevant information. Also, he stopped after he'd done three or four people. FInally, it's worth pointing out to them that The Trustworthy Encyclopedia today still lacks even a stub article on twenty-three Sate Governors. And they're calling for a contest again - Lord, please no.<font color="#00F0A20">DogP  02:37, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I was actually curious as to whether CP had an article on the Sarah lady before 8/29, and was "impressed" that they did. I guess what comes next, is do they have articles on every governor of every state yet... I guess you answered that... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:42, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmmm, I see no article on the current NH governor... can't fix that until tomorrow... after Andy wakes up and turns the wiki "ON" again. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:44, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You mean "until Sunday", right after your block ends. CЯacke ® 05:17, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, thanksalot Shabby... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:16, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

PJR's gritting his teeth again
Oh, Philip... you're fighting the good fight, but I fear that this will only end in tears: Really, that's cool, but how long until Ed runs to the God King? --Sid 05:43, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Contradicts Ed on Talk:Kissing
 * Contradicts Ed on Talk:How to write an article
 * Coughs politely on Relevance of Articles
 * Slaps Ed over the DiEb thing
 * See Ed's considered reply re the DiEbs block. He hasn't responded to the other criticisms yet.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 09:22, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Reply re How to write an article, taking the Project Director's name in vain. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 09:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually, what PJR is doing is very clever (intentionally or not). He is being very reasonable in his criticisms, while Ed Poor is becoming arrogant enough to block people on a whim & float policy suggestions like writing assignments + claim that he speaks on behalf of Andy & the sysop community. Sooner or later Andy will have to stop ignoring this, but I don't think he'll back Ed up all the way. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 09:36, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And then there is this little gem... Paranoid? Or just not sober? --LArron 09:41, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's very close-minded of you, LArron. He could easily be both. -- 09:56, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't be silly, Weaseloid. Andy doesn't have to involve himself at all, and if past performance is anything to go by he'll treat the whole thing like it's not happening.  PJR is suspect anyhow, after the whole Roman Catholic thing, so Andy's now free to ignore any of his objections.  Mind you, this might just be a test on PJR's part to see if Andy really cares about the project.  --Kels 10:01, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

And the Thought Police come marching in! Man, is Lyin' Ed getting more rabid these days about Liberals or what? He's sure dropping any pretense that they're human or anything but outright evil, much to Andy's delight. An act, or is he drunk again? --Kels 10:10, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Ed's in fawning mode again. Mr Schlafly! Mr Schlafly! Lookee me! Me done stuffs. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:14, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Fox gives it to Ed
Not quite WIGO-worthy, but lulzy nonetheless... --SpinyNorman 09:32, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What's "Two Meters"? <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 09:37, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (Two meters was one of Ed's masterworks: an article of that title giving its Imperial equivalent and nothing more - because Ed's 2M tall! 12:50, 30 August 2008 (EDT) )
 * Thanks Fox. It was time someone told things as they are to Ed. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 11:15, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

I think he's jealous of Jinx, and is determined to be an even bigger dick. --Kels 11:27, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Let's not forget Croco. Should we have a new competition: Who is the Biggest Dick at CP? Editor at CPLiar at RP! 12:53, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep in mind, these are all internet penises. The more strident and forceful they are online, the tinier and more impotent they are in reality.  Stile4aly 23:44, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

What's this about?
So what's happened here then? I see red changes in the diff, and yet the text is the same, and some of the wiki links have turned from viable links to red. Bondurant 12:15, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * A bit of vandalism. All the ls were changed to ones, and the Os to zeroes. -- 12:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Scheisse, AKj - I wasn't gonna tell 'em. 12:21, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Eh, it had already got reverted when I looked at it, so... -- 12:25, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I should have spotted that. As the lolcats say, I cannot brain today. Bondurant 12:36, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Uber Nerds
You can always spot someone who needs to get out more by ab obsessive knowledge of Star Trek (first series only) or a word perfect knowledge of Lord Of The Rings Silver Sloth 13:35, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This is a prime example of liberal deceit and liberal exaggeration. All that it really shows is that he needs to read more Lord Dunsany. -Judas Reward 13:58, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Karajou's denial
That was jaw droppingly stupid, I was showing him the fracking revision history, and he has the gall to tell me "I didn't do it." Hey Kara, you don't always have to respond like a complete douche. 13:50, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

This along with Ed's "You need to accept corrections like this gracefully [otherwise I'll block you ]" really crank up the admin's "do as I say, not as I do" attitude towards respectfulness a few notches higher than it's been before. --Toiretni 14:01, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh yes. Karajou comes across not just as an arrogat idiot (that we have come to expect) but as a very, very, unpleasant idividual. --Toffeeman 14:04, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's the bad type of NCO forces mentality:
 * "If you don't do what I say, when I say it, you're on a charge. You horrible little man!"
 * (I recall a radio SF programme in the 50s "Journey into Space" in one series members of a Mars (?) expedition were taken over by aliens and uttered the mantra:
 * "Orders are orders and must be obeyed at all times without question"
 * in a monotone at the drop of a hat. Quite like Kajagoogoo's Idea of hoew to run a Wiki! 14:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I dont know much about how Wiki software works, but is it possible he started making his edit before the "deleted" comment was added, and finished his edit after it was added, and the two edits were not automatically merged?
 * What probably happened is that Kowardjerk either edited an older version of the page or he got edit conflicted and then overrode the warning that someone else had changed the page. A simple oops! sorry would have done (I've done it myself several times) but no the petty officer has to get all defensive. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   04:45, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Anybody catch this flowery bullshit
http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:AmerICan&curid=58653&diff=507429&oldid=493760

I thoroughly amused. 14:16, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The old is Hysterical, the new is awful. 14:23, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No way! An actual, modern day panegyric! In our day and age? What a rare find. Too bad they replaced it with that crap. -- 14:28, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I've copied it into George W. Bush for posterity. 14:36, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (AmerICan is not the author of that slop)--WJThomas 16:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Didn't suppose he was but what the hey! 17:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh...oh, dear God... Czolgolz 10:12, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Has CP editing been locked all day?
I guess Andy forgot to turn it back on before heading to the beach. --SpinyNorman 15:17, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I dunno, I'm blocked for a day because Shabby was disappointed that Andy had to chide me... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:54, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Silly little user, your name is silly
Cause god forbid, someone actually like things other than thier own names. sheesh. if a name is given in the user profile, what's the big deal aboutliking unicorns????http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:UnicornTapestry &mdash; Unsigned, by: WaitingforGodot / talk / contribs
 * UniTap's response to that should be some sort of reference to all of Andy's bootlickers who have similarly silly names (Karajou, Conservative, LearnTogether, and so forth). Not that it would do any good, of course.--WJThomas 16:52, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok who hacked Andy's account? There is no way that Andy really just defended a non-fundamentalist christian religion like Scientology!!!! --BoredCPer 17:28, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy probably recognised the name from here. I don't think he'd raise much of a fuss about it, otherwise. 17:30, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * !!!!!!!!!! 17:37, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No idea what the Scientology article said, but Andy decides it's better to delete it completely, dispite the fact that forty or fifty pages link to it. <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 17:38, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wait, what? When did Andy start defending Scientology? I'm confused. -- 17:41, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Google cache has a version of the Scientology article from Aug 22. Assuming that Andy would just have reverted to that if there had just been recent wandalism and POV-pushing to radically change it, we have to conclude that it didn't change much since then. --Sid 17:53, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I skimmed through the cached piece and couldn't see anything untoward that wouldn't fit right in with CPs usual stuff. Maybe the cult's lawyers have been on to Andy? Wait... I skimmed... argh! I've been possessed by the spirit of Andy. --PsyGremlinWhut? 18:06, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I guess Andy has just uncritically bought their "We are a religion. Srsly."-line and went into his default "Hurr must defend religion from evil liberal atheists"-mode. -- 18:09, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's Scientology's Big Idea at the moment -- trying to give the impression that their opposition is based solely on anti-religious prejudice. Urgh. 18:23, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hadn't looked but Unicorn T had been adding quite a lot today. What was it Unicorn? 18:11, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Also: he's probably scared of bringing the wrath of the Scientologists down on Conservapedia. 18:13, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * May his views have changed when there was the Mormon crisis a few weeks ago? He defended the Church of the Latter Saints (sp?) then and I remember Scientology being mentioned too in those discussions. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 18:17, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Could be. Someone should really take the time to inform him of what Scientology actually says about Christanity, though. -- 18:21, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Had to chuckle at his editcomment "this entry is non-educational and one-sided". Gosh - maybe Homosexuality and Atheism will be next to go, based on those criteria. --PsyGremlinWhut? 18:26, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) off topic, but did anyone notice Andy calling out another user for asking him to prove a negative? and then he asked for a counterexample. This is from the master of Prove this isn't true and one counterexample means nothing..... Maybe he has short term memory problems and really doesn't remember saying these things..... <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  19:00, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

User Statistics
There are 22,738 registered users, of which 30 (or 0.13%) have Administrators rights.- and of which 10,601 (or  46.62%) are banned for ever while further 459 (or 2.02%) are only banned for five years --LArron 18:44, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Is that 10K of the 22K are banned forever? So they only have 12K not banned forever users?  One of my user names was banned for five years, that seems to be a pretty exclusive club!  How many unbanned users are there?  Why am I asking so many questions? Could it be anything to do with this new Fullers beer that's 8.5%? --87.80.133.64 18:53, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I though the 5 year ban was there infinite ban. I would have thought as many people would be banned for 5 as infinite. Oh well. $\approx$$\pi$ 18:56, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No no, entrance to our 5 year club is not easy. It requires a careful work of parody. I wonder instead, how many "unique users" are there in those 23k. I mean, every human member of CP counting once regardless of number of socks and accounts. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 19:03, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Eleven. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:19, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

It gets even more amusing when you only look at those editors who commented at least once: I counted 5949 banned editors vs. 5514 not banned... --LArron 19:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Linky to where you're finding all the stats pls? What amazes me is that after taking all the blockings (and socks) into account, there's still 10,000-odd (ok, strange) people out there who can happily edit CP, should they wish - and I'm sure many of those don't. Do we have any stats on how many active editors there are over there? I'd be surprised if it was more than 50. --PsyGremlinWhut? 19:30, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yesterday, I looked up the names of the editors and their lists of contributions - that's where I found the data :-) --LArron 19:37, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy spins
I just came across an argument Andy is having over his claim that schools don't teach right from wrong. A person points out to Andy there are severe penalties for plagiarism and Andy replies that punishment is not the same as teaching right from wrong. Andy is spinning and splitting hairs like a pro, his statement is essentially saying "if you plagiarize you will be punished" does have the same meaning "plagiarism is wrong so you should not do it". He probably is right at the most technical level but as teachers are saying it they probably either or implicitly or explicitly state it is wrong, but Andy wants a handbook explicitly stating it is wrong. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:14, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm surprised you haven't worked this out, Pi :) It's really quite logical from Andy's point of view -- what he wants is for public schools to say "deceit is wrong because God says so". That's his idea of morality.
 * And there you have conservatism in a nutshell. 19:19, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What's funny is that two of those three citations actually say cheating is morally wrong. I dug into my old HS's current student info, no mention of morality, but they definitely "frown" on cheating. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:21, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually I have found since posting where very nearly says that the invisible man is watching. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:23, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Good one, Human. We all know morality doesn't exist without the big guy upstairs.  UNLESS schools mention the philosophical underpinnings of why cheating is wrong, and mention that it inherently originates from God, then they're simply promoting atheism.  --Toiretni 19:26, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Or secularism, which -- as we know! -- is the same thing. 19:29, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC 2)Cheating is morally wrong but it appears that without mention of Andy's one particular god it is just liberal distortions causing mental illness. That is interesting how "you should not do something because it is dishonourable" will cause mental illness, but somehow "you should not do something because a man you can not see is watching everything you do, that right everything, yeah he saw you last night when you were thinking about that pretty girl with the hello kitty camera, yeah he saw that" doesn't cause extreme paranoia. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:30, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

More Ed Maths
He's in form again tonight. If this edit doesn't convince everybody there to give up on the maths articles for once and for all, nothing will. And then he goes and breaks another irony meter. Ed, start by checking all your Boss' stats... --PsyGremlinWhut? 20:21, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I was watching as he posted that. How do you respond to a post like that, aside from "srew7fjhy437rcq4328758723uc r9y8*(&&**&*(%R#& c7n2", followed by beating him severely for his sins? --Kels 20:34, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You know, I have a horrible feeling he might enjoy that... --PsyGremlinWhut? 21:02, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Terrific or terrible? What to do, to laugh or to cry? Who is he going to teach mathematics? Editor at CPLiar at RP! 20:36, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm hoping that this is the early stages of some form of dementia and he's planning to teach his cat, rather than doing his best to damage some poor child's future. --Kels 20:39, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ed seems to have become hyper-sensitive especially blocking Foxtrot just because he pointed out that he had done something stupid. He seems to interpret comments and articles he doesn't understand as a slight on his intelligence. $\approx$$\pi$ 20:54, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I still think he's trying to be a bigger asshole than Bugler or Jinx, because they're getting all the attention. Ed isn't qualified to administrate a cat box, let alone a wiki. --Kels 20:56, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

And of course, further proof that Ed is a dishonest twat. If there was ever a better reason for him missing that adminship at Wikipedia... --Kels 20:47, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * You can just imagine it, can't you?


 * Student: Uncle Ed, I need to practice some linear differential equations for my exams next year.
 * Smilin' Uncle Ed: No, lets start simply. Do you know your two times table?


 * Poor kids, they won't know what's hit 'em. --JeevesMkII 20:51, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Y'know, I've always been a bit ambivalent about Ed. Sometimes he seems quite reasonable -- I can even see his point -- and sometimes he's a complete jerk. I could never figure him out.
 * And then, just now, it hit me.
 * Everything fell into place.
 * It all made perfect sense.
 * He's a teacher. 20:54, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (No offence meant to any teachers here who aren't like that)
 * Letting Ed tutor your children/students is a form of child abuse. $\approx$$\pi$ 20:58, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "Tomorrow, you're getting a new math tutor" "What's his name, mommy?"  "Ed Poor, honey."  "WHY DO YOU HATE ME, MOMMY!?" --Kels 21:14, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (Following Kels' comment re: "dishonest twat") Verrrrrrry much agreed. Ed's really a loose cannon. I just wonder what Croco will say once he realizes that his top-scorer is grounded for a full month? --Sid 21:01, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Scratch that - Bohdan proves that Ed is actually fairly normal. Yo, "Henry" - you do realize that you got your cheap Lulz by banning a guy who helped out Croco's silly News Project more than any other user, right? A guy who defended the so-called conservatives during the "Biden 2004 Wikipedia" gig and who apparently made good edits. And you guys wonder why no sane person stays on CP for too long: You even manage to banhammer the conservatives just for pointing out that you guys are powertripping. --Sid 21:17, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh-oh...Ed's finding that behaviour kinda sexy. Tell someone you can trust, "Henry"! --Kels 21:42, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh-oh...Ed's finding that behaviour kinda sexy. Tell someone you can trust, "Henry"! --Kels 21:42, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * More disturbingly Topology is next to go. Ed's already gathering kindling. We'd better get screencaps for the conservapedian maths article. Rewrite them? Seriously Ed, after watching you rape and pillage your way through the other maths entries, how batshit insane would somebody have to be to volunteer for that task? --PsyGremlinWhut? 21:51, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The articles are pretty random and useless, and, as I pointed out in the Conservapedian Maths article, seem to be nothing more than copy jobs from some glossary. There's really nothing worth saving.  We should just watch Ed continue to make a fool of himself.  BTW, I have established email contact with a number of the massacre victims. Gauss 21:17, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * After thanking Ed Poor for removing a complete unjustified block (and a conversation with dead people, i.e., DirkB), Foxtrots pleads for the preservation of the articles on topology. Doesn't he know that this is just encouraging Ed Poor to destroy them? --LArron 16:03, 31 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Awards? What awards? He doesn't mean "Biggest Idiot on CP" does he? 21:54, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * At this point, any editor with any sense at all is avoiding every article Ed has the slightest interest in. It's a quick way to get banned and any work you do wasted.  Let him do his own work, it's the only thing he seems to leave alone (except for the disturbing habit of talking to himself). --Kels 21:56, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * What's the difference between A ball and a sphere? None, Ed. If Ed had been around Shakespeare would have written Thomas the tank Engine. I've worked out what he's teaching though: Year 1 Kindergarten remedial Maths. 21:58, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ed: "Oh crap, someone's realizing WTF I want to slip into the Guidelines! What shall I do? Oh, wait, it's just the idiot we banned tonight. *ker-whitewash*" --Sid 22:47, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * We need a picture of Ed banging away at his TRS-1, with empty beer cans all over the place, yelling at himself "teh maths 2 complexicated!!! Delete!!!" Is he really going to burn the entire topology category? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:58, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ed is not teaching Kindergarden I HOPE..... They deserve so much better than that... really. PS, Jellyfish, I'm blocking you for insulting everyone who has ever been involved in the Educational process. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  23:00, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Relacks. I'm sure all the educators I haven't met are lovely. Ed Poor definitely has that short-tempered teacher thing going on, though. 23:27, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If Ed teaches math, that does support ASchlafly's allegation of public schools rotting poor children minds. It'd be a double-whammy of epically ironic proportions. <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  23:19, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Ed has broken my heart. --<font color="#00FFFF">λινυσ (☮) 11:05, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * All joking apart, if he's really gonna teach Math(s) in public school then the US education system might as well surrender to the Far east NOW. The most telling one was the rearrangement of the Voltage-Current-Resistance formula. He's just incompetent to do anything more than his 5 times tables. Of course if it turns out he's teaching homeschollars then they're probably getting their money's worth, but I still feel sorry for the weans. 11:57, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I do know of one homeschool math program that's really quite excellent. --<font color="#00FFFF">λινυσ (☮) 13:35, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * 5 times tables? I should have been more specific in my suggestion: at least 10 times tables. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 12:08, 31 August 2008 (EDT), getting tired of Bush's Italian clone.

Dr CЯacke ® 's online diagnosis of Ed Poor
It is my considerable and high skewl edumacated opinion that is suffering from steroid induced psychosis. While I do not have personal knowledge of Unky Ed's health or even what medications he may be on, I will venture out on this limb to conclude that the US pharmaceutical industry is helping him retain his CP biggest idiot title in perpetuity. CЯacke ® 00:31, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And I thought it was good ole brother alcohol that was damaging his "brain".... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:07, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Trivial...
...but Andy forgot to turn off editing tonight? At least, I am still able to edit my user page. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:12, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I noticed it was turned off then back on, see here. CЯacke ® 10:39, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmmm, weird. It's also strange how often he turns it "off" during the day. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:31, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

The lovely RationalWiki banner people keep adding to talk:main at CP
I love it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:35, 31 August 2008 (EDT)


 * And I love that you morons keep doing it by imitating my user and real names! The sincerest form of flattery, indeed! 67.135.49.198 14:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Shouldn't you be imitating your glorious leader and making some serious contributions to the Conservative Encyclopedia, or you could be removing things beyond your comprehension as Ed's doing (Oh no! You'd have to remove every word longer thasn 4 letters - never mind - keep up the good work)  14:41, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's so easy to get a reaction out of you, Jinxypoo. Keep dancing! (no, wasn't me - I don't wandalize) <font color="007700" face="Comic Sans MS">Norseman <font color="0000EE"  face="Comic Sans MS">Wassail!  14:44, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What you don't seem to unnerstand is that the festering tripe that is CP drives all of our traffic. IOW, we don't really need to advertise over there simply because as (real, new, sometimes conservative) people are subjected to the "Three 'B's", (bickering, bullying and banning), they end up over here anyways. CЯacke ® 14:46, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Your "real name" is 67.135.49.198? How many years did you get for killing your parents? CЯacke ®
 * Does this mean I get another 52 points for baiting the back into my territory? $\approx$$\pi$ 20:33, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

George Orwell
An insight of ASchlafly concerning George Orwell: "Moreover, his support of democratic socialism was based on conservative reasons: he thought it would produce a wealthier society. " We all now that the socialists always say that they want to produce a poorer society - that's how we can spot them.... Really, what does it take to become a "Honorary Conservative (TM)" after your death? Success in live, I suppose --LArron 03:43, 31 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Didn't he defend socialism in 1984? I remember it saying at some point that the party had to abandon all socialist principals in order to bring in its fascist regime (he was still considering the simple left/right scale with fascism being viewed as far right). $\approx$$\pi$ 05:58, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Orwell was a socialist, yes. However, he was fairly authoritarian on sexual matters, so yeah... He definitely had some Trotskyist sympathies, at least, he seems to in 'Animal Farm', but I'm not sure about his actual beliefs. But seriously? Socialism = A wealthier society? What the heck? Well, at least, I'm assuming he's talking in terms of money here. And we don't want a poorer society either, most of us would get rid of money. And seriously, how is one a conservative if one wants to give the means of production to the working class? It doesn't matter why you want to do it, but... What? -Judas Reward 06:27, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Assuming Animal Farm was a full and accurate representation of his views, he seems to view the views of Karl Marx and Trotsky as fundamentally sound and even good ideas, but thinks that the people in power corrupt the ideas and usurp the rules for personal gain, to the point where they become what they rebelled agaisnt to begin with. I think this is just a case of Andy pulling something completely out of his ass and hoping no one questions him. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  06:32, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm all for the "Orwell as conservative" edit. If the Schlafly stamp of approval gets conservative kiddies reading him, and then discovering that their supposed betters at CP have lied to them... Mwahahahaaa! Totnesmartin 06:34, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Ames is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn't it obvious? Come on proles, let's have our moment of hate and move on. DOUBLEPLUSGOOD. 06:39, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Are we Eurasia then? $\approx$$\pi$ 07:38, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Animal Farm, IMO, was just his interpretation of the October Revolution, rather than a blanket thing about all revolutions. Also, there are people who read Conservapedia and take it seriously? Also of interest, Einstein was a socialist. -Judas Reward 07:01, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * As Pratchett once said "it is called a revolution because you keep going is circles". The edition of 1984 I read had an essay almost as long as the book at the front. Orwell fought in the Spanish revolution and became disillusioned by the Moscow backed revolutionary form of socialism. He believed in socialism as a democratic principal, you can vote in and out a socialist government as you would any other. When discussing socialism in this context you need to differentiate between it as a political construct, as economic construct and as a social construct. From my readings Orwell only supported it as an economic form as he believed it would create a fair and richer society. You can see in 1984 his dislike of laize-fair economics with the old man rambling about the old days. What he disliked and wrote against was the all powerful government model that was created by the revolutions. $\approx$$\pi$ 07:36, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Proposed slogan for Conservapedia:
 * War is Peace
 * Freedom is Slavery
 * Ignorance is Strength

08:24, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This would be a lot funnier if it wasn't so easy to come up with examples for each statement. --Sid 09:09, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * As conservative as Orwell may have been, I proud myself of writing something along the lines of Conservapedia more and more reminding me of 1984 back in March or April last year, on my CP user page. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 09:59, 31 August 2008 (EDT)


 * If you follow Andy's reference then it leads to an article by a "Professor" Philip Thody from the University of Leeds. So it isn't even an original thought on Sloppily's part. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   16:56, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

You got a fast car
How the hell does Andy get this out of this? Has he been mixing his meds again? --Kels 15:13, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, that song is a real positive endorsement of free market working conditions. (:-S)  That whole list is a joke.  Apparently Green Day's "American Idiot" is a conservative song now. . . . <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 15:24, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm sad that they have Happiness is a warm gun, but not Rocky raccoon. Surely the latter is far more Conservative, having both shooting and bible thumpin' in? --JeevesMkII 15:33, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Warm gun is obviously the work of a parodist. Maybe even me as myself.  You're right about poor Rocky, it even mocks prostitution. 64 should in there, too. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:39, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * a parodist, or they have never heard of sarcasm. FAst car "i want out of here, let's make a deal" that's american ecomy at work, right?--Waiting for Godot 17:43, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Best Concepts to Teach Teenagers
Quite a disturbing insight into the Aschfly's thoroughly negative world view. Rather than teaching kids how to evaluate evidence, make decisions & think for themselves (entries he deleted), he would rather teach them that deceit is lurking everywhere, & that if your buddy commits a crime you might be liable too (so you'd better rat him out quick). <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 15:18, 31 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Weird, so does that mean the character Andy sympathizes most with in the Gospels is Judas? --Kels 15:19, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I like all his one liners. "4 & 5 are not workable".  Why????  and how is teaching that being with a bad guy can be bad (which is wrong, legally speaking by the way) is a better thing to know than how to listen and think critically?  does he want sheep?  oh wait, who am i asking this of... heh--Waiting for Godot 17:11, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The best part is that since they keep editing the ordered list, the "number refs" are useless. Andy couldn't even be bothered to quote them, or use some shorthand for each one, he just sweeps them away without discussion. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:26, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "Good habits just don't happen."
 * It sure as heck felt natural tonight and last night. 22:56, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

More Maf With Uncle Ed
The Ed section is starting to look a little bloated, so perhaps we can continue down here. Why, one may ask, would Ed Poor, noted math genius, want to delete all of the topology articles? Simple, because he doesn't understand topology.--Antifly 17:17, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If it uses anything more complex than"+,-,x,/ and ="; then it's out of Ed's league. The topology stuff is a bit esoteric, but the thing to do would be to explain it, not delete it. 17:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The point isn't that he wants to get away from "esoteric" topics. He is inserting gibberish into these articles himself!!--Antifly 17:34, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This is all quite interesting, actually. We know that Conservapedia sysops are entirely unrestricted by rules - they exist in a Hobbesian state of nature, so to speak. So I think it's safe to assume that what we're seeing here is what you would call Ed Poor's "default behaviour" as an editor. It's quite likely that we're getting a glimpse into what Wikipedia would be like if Ed could have had his way with it. Good thing they got rid of him in time. -- 17:51, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ironically, their topology articles are really good, and an awesome resource for the curious teenager who has a decent grasp of abstract math and calculus. Like me ;)  Topology is one of those branches of math that is endlessly amusing.  Like the guy out there who makes Klein bottles out of lab glassware and sells them (he also has Klein knitted hats on offer). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:53, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, the bottles all come with a "volume" indicator - with all levels marked with zeroes (0.0, 0.00, 0.000, 0.000 as I recall). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:56, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not... so I will take your comments at face value. Their topology articles are certainly not "bad", but they are far from being a useful resource. At best they comprise of a list of definitions, with no illustration of the concepts or indication of how they are interconnected. At worst, illustrations and examples have been added, most of which are inaccurate. I agree wholeheartedly that topology is a fascinating subject. But I don't understand why they would want to write a large number of articles (that only Foxtrot and Lemonpeel seem to be able to appreciate) when Wikipedia does an excellent job of presenting this material. Could CPers be so anti-Wikipedia that they refuse even to look at the competition for fear of becoming evil libruls? Is the underlying problem the "elementary proof" fixation of Andy's at the outset? I find it baffleing... The point about Ed (that may also apply to other fundamentalists) is that he is simply incapable of conceiving of someone who understands anything better that he does.--Antifly 18:13, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I was serious in the sense that I can't tell how good they really are, but some of them added a glimmer to my meager knowledge of topology. Yes, they need more illustration, but on CP that's a chore, since "upload rights" are so jealously guarded.  I still think that a handful of good "introductory" articles would be perfect for CP's target audience. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:21, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Conservapedia: a nasty, brutish and short wiki! Catchy... Robledo 18:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Agreed. One of the problems that stands out (to me at least) in mathematics education is the modularity of the entire process. Subjects tend to be introduced and developed in a vaccuum, and the "big picture" is usually left for the student to discover for themselves. A brief, tantalizing taste of point-set topology could inspire many high school calculus students to continue their mathematical endeavours. I am glad that you got something out of the CP topology articles, and highly recommend the WP articles, or better yet a good introductory text to further your knowledge.--Antifly 18:34, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm still waiting for a good intro text to turn up at the swappe shoppe at the town dump... I remember being "taught" about Klein bottles by a friend of my parents, probably in my early teens. Mobius strips are cool and easy to play with, grade school amusement (fun with paper, scissors and glue!).  The fact that there was a 3D version of the concept blew my soft, impressionable mind.  Of course, they can't be made "properly" in 3D, just as a mobius requires 3D to construct.  There are some excellent web sites out there illustrating the 3D/4D construction, by the way.  Whenever I want to make my explode I try to imagine gluing two strips together in four dimensions to make a bottle... But, anyway, yes, that is all just fun with paper and scissors, the math "beyond" and behind it is something I never got properly exposed to. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:41, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * In happier days, in my young innocence, I was certain that I had discovered a method to construct a Klein bottle. Sadly, my design appears to be flawed. :( --<font color="#00FFFF">λινυσ (☮) 18:53, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

It's funny because it's true. At least in Ed "what's 2+2?" Poor's case. --Kels 18:54, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe, Ed made a funny! And Andy made an arrogant stoopid: "I doubt you've taught 145 teenagers, as I have. Teaching the meaning of opportunity cost is effective.--Aschlafly 18:39, 31 August 2008 (EDT)" <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:01, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy's defense of palin
I'm trying to find whre andy actually said that her 1.5 years amounts to MORE experience than obama, and she was CHOSEN for her tallent and **experience** therefore she is NOT an affirmative action vp. I sat there dumbfounded. think she is ok as a vp, fine, but she is somewho more experienced??? Also, why is no one bothering to remind all these conservative christians that she has a fucking SIX MONTH OLD special needs kid? isn't this the group of boys who parrot "stay home, moms, with your kids?" gues that doesn't matter if you are a politician.
 * Nonsense! It doesn't matter if you're a Republican politician.  Everything Andy and the Bible says about women not being equal to men, etc., only applies to Liberal women.  Republican women who make the Party look good (or at least haven't been indicted for making it look bad) can do job just fine, thanks. --Kels 17:49, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "why is no one bothering to remind all these conservative christians that she has a fucking SIX MONTH OLD special needs kid?". They have .  But come on!  This isn't exclusively Andy, it's not even exclusively Rabid-American-Paleocon.  Two months ago Bill Clinton thought Barack Obama was a prize ****, now Bill suddenly thinks he's the Bees Knees. --Toffeeman 17:51, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Really? Lets look at what Mccain and Bush had to say about each other in 2000 and then contrast their remarks with what they've said recently. Primary politics is nasty, it's dirty and it's known that people then say the complete opposite after the fact.  Hell, Romney and Huckabee both ran John McCain into the ground, but they were both finalists for VP. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  18:18, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree - the tightest U-turns in US politics are the ones that occur at this moment - the shift from the primaries to the general election. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:23, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Here is where Andy says she is more experienced than Obama. $\approx$$\pi$ 23:19, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Apparently she relies more on her charisma than her policies in order to succeed. Sounds like a female Obama. The Republicans now have an originality level that is over 9000. -Judas Reward 04:00, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

The reason that Andy cant call her an affirmative action vice president is that Dan Quayle already had that title. He was admitted into the University of Indiana law school under an "equal opportunity" program for poor and minority students. And Toffeeman, the reason is simple - conservative christians only care about the child before it is born. After that it is the job of the nanny. --Shagie 05:04, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Well that just means that Dan Quayle lived the American dream! He got where he was (is?) because of hard work and discipline, the hallmark of conservative values!  The fact that he was poor just goes to prove that we don't need affirmative action!  I mean, look at him today.  He's doing great!  Err...--CSimpacted with knowledge 05:12, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Me fail English? That's unpossible!
While I recognize that English is not Joaquin's native tongue, shouldn't someone who does understand the language's finer points proofread his work before they plaster it all over the front page as the Featured Article? The first paragraph is particularly horrific.--WJThomas 19:57, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Because he reverts and blocks anyone who tries? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:59, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This begs the question: who DOES "understand the language's finer points"? Croco's essays are horrific. Andy is full of typos. Conservative needs ten edits for one sentence (and unfortunately I'm learning from him). Ed's articles speak for themselves. But is there any sysop who HAS a good command of English? This excludes Bugler, whose English is too good to ever let him be a Sysop. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 20:19, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * PJR? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:20, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Good answer, I forgot him. Others? Editor at CPLiar at RP! 20:46, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Used to be Fox. 20:51, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Es que Joaquin es un pendejo. --<font color="#4169E1" face="courier">JJ4e <font color="#FFA812">Got milk? 21:35, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks to Carlos Mencia, I understood that! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:47, 31 August 2008 (EDT)