RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive2

Human
Abused privilage: promotion Crime: promoting me for saying something he took offense to at a blog

Look, I know that you might not like me, but last time I checked, what Human did was firmly against the rules. -- 16:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I wasn't involved, but I think there was a consensus that you were bringing RW into disrepute by your comments & should be smacked across the knuckles for it. There were some who thought you should be blocked! Human carried out the lesser action. 16:28, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Look CUR, for the Nth bleeding time, it's not that we "don't like you", it's that we don't like how you behave.  And we all believe you have it in you to behave better, but you keep letting us down, which makes it even more frustrating.   That incident yesterday made you and more importantly this entire site look utterly stupid and like a bunch of immature internet trolls.   if that isn't reason enough for you to be, ahem, disciplined, I don't know what is.   I blocked you, but that's not enough.   Your promotion is due, and you're just gonna hafta take it like a man.   So, sorry, no support from me for your suggestion that this is admin abuse.   DogP  16:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ridicious. All she had to do was google RationalWiki. When anybody can see how we act here, dressing ourselves up for another site is deceitful. Also, if I should be desysopped, theemperor would have had the same punishment (he didn't). -- 16:36, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * There's a huge difference, and the fact you don't see it is precisely the point.  BTW, I'm all for promoting the Emperor too, don't get me started.  DogP  16:37, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Hey CUR, remember the first few comments here, from April 17? If not, read them again. You were given a chance. Not a second chance. You've had dozens of those already. But you were given another one anyway, through sheer generosity. And you wasted it. You demonstrated that PH's trust was not justified. Aside from swallowing your pride and accepting you very significant role in your own troubles, you really should apologize to PH for letting them down. Same for the others who expressed confidence. In the meantime, I support Human's actions. --Kels 16:38, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "When anybody can see how we act here, dressing ourselves up for another site is deceitful." CUR that is the most moronic comment I have had the displeasure of reading. NONE of us "dressed ourselves up" over on that blog. The only person that should have was YOU! The rest of us managed to avoid swearing and have reasonable dialogue. You on the other hand, made a tit out of yourself and us. Again, you seem to have not learnt a single fucking thing. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 16:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * EC-Totally support Human; moreover, this isn't just about what Human did--several editors expressed agreement with the idea of promoting CUR, and only Pi disapproved. Human was just the triggerman. This is the third time in three weeks that CUR has managed to direct the blog's attention onto himself. He's like the last guest at the party who doesn't notice the hosts yawning, looking at their watches and saying "wow, I can't believe how late it is." It's like he's completely oblivious to what his presence does for this place, and he keeps piling onto it. He's been here roughly since, what, Christmas or so?, and it seems as if he has yet to put together back-to-back weeks of unproblematic behaviour. Enough is enough. TheoryOfPractice 16:52, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Sigh - I'm afraid, in ten years you, CUR, will reread your entries and will be embarrassed by your childish behavior. Your justification for your action seems to be something like
 * this is the way you are protesting against CP on this site - and therefore, everywhere else
 * it shouldn't matter where you protest against CP, as it is a noble course
 * That's soooo Westboro Baptist
 * I approve of Human's action
 * 17:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Concur with all. Sterilewalkie-talkie 17:13, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Against. Look out CUR, impending message to your talk page.  JĀvąṢ₡ä₰  hi there  17:16, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * The main thing I don't get is how you can say that you have sysops instead of editors and then desysop someone because in your view, they do not represent the site well. -- 17:23, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

One possible answer--this is a community of people. While we don't all speak with one mind, we *try* to maintain a certain amount of respect. By going onto that comment board and behaving like an ass in our name, you made the whole community look bad--and treated us in a disrespectful manner. You expect no consequences from that? Another possible answer--get a clue. It's not just about treating us with flagrant disrespect on somebody's blog. That was simply the last straw. We're pretty much sick of the problems you cause. Take the hint. TheoryOfPractice 17:29, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR running around with his hair on fire.  DogP  17:31, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

The confused
OK, what did CUR do this time? 17:32, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Does anyone think Human deserves a reprimand?
Alright, before this gets into yet another "What CUR did" discussion, we need to keep this on track. CUR made an allegation against Human. Anyone supporting that allegation, please give a few words below and discuss possible consequences. Nothing else in this section please. Human usually comes on a little later in the evening: I propose leaving this open until, say, midnight EDT. If no consensus emerges to reprimand Human, we archive the whole thing. For the record, I think Human's hands are clean. TheoryOfPractice 17:37, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I do not think Human deserves a reprimand per say however I do believe he should have gained a consensus first - as he would have got one anyway. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 17:39, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think, from looking at the diffs, that there was a consensus of those involved. Of course he doesn't.  17:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No.  If he hadn't pulled the trigger I would have.   DogP  17:42, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * QFT --Kels 17:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think that this situation comes from all the vagueness about CUR's probation status & how readily he (CUR specifically, not other users) can be promoted for disruptive behaviour. This has been discussed a few times, but not really settled on any which way.  I think that this is what we need to agree on, to avoid going through this dance again.  See my comments below.   17:46, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No. Human acted with appropriate consensus, both from this event and carrying over from the April's Fool event mere weeks ago.  There was nothing vague about CUR's probation.  Just because the last CUR flareup was mercifully out of sight does not mean it was out of mind.  And to add my 2 cents - I agree that CUR will find this situation embarrasing, including his second guessing and attempt to point the finger at Emperor (really, CUR this is too much), but going back and reading the Culture of Death comments thread over the course of yesterday I felt embarassed for us.  And I've only been here a few months.  CUR managed to make us look like intemperate boobs.  Human was entitled to demote CUR, or indeed block him for longer than the 9 hours he got yesterday afternoon.  Thee Nuttish  Talk 18:12, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * While  ħ ooman  may have acted a bit hastily, the end result would have been the same regardless. And, in all earnest, I think he did what pretty much anyone would have done if they'd thought of it first. While consensus was never 'officially' made clear prior to promoting, I think it's pretty obvious that the consensus was there. So, I reckon the extent of any reprimand should be those who disagree standing around and yelling "Bad hooman! Naughty!". -Re dba ck 18:29, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I was there
At first I did think what Human did was out of line, but with in 10 to 15 minutes 4 other bureaucrats had come out to support him. The consensus amongst them was clear and as a result I realised I held the minority opinion. I respect that the consensus was that what Human did was right and as a result does not need any reprimand for it. - User   19:07, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

ConservapediaUndergroundResistor Peanut Gallery
Place your vote under the appropriate column:

For Promotion

 * Relating to the case brought against Human above (i.e. whether his decision to promote CUR is appropriate), & to previous instances of abuse & disruption by CUR.

CUR was put on indefinite probation a while ago, which was never officially ended, & has recently been desysoped at least twice (once by own request, & other times by other users due to abuse / disructive behaviour). However, in each case he has been resysoped within a matter a days (prematurely, in my opinion) on the decision of one bureaucrat.

I bring this suggestion up somewhat reluctantly, but we're in a repeat pattern here & sooner or later we need to address it. I suggest that, if we can agree on this, we keep CUR desysoped indefinitely, with a moratorium on demoting him again unless first agreed by multiple bureaucrats & sysops at some future time. 17:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * As much as Human should have arrived at consensus on promoting CUR (though he would have got it) I agree with Weasel that we should have a consensus in demoting CUR when the time is right. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 17:40, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He's been nothing but a pain from day 1. Agree with Weasel. 17:42, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Support indefinite promotion. TheoryOfPractice 17:44, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Support indefinite, with Weaseloid's stipulations. --Kels 17:45, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Support indefinite.  DogP  17:47, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Support indefinite promotion - resysopping to be a possibility after CUR shows sustained sensible behaviour. Totnesmartin 18:05, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Support with what Totnesmartin said (should we be bullet-pointing these?) but we should also put restrictions on how we handle any further issues (e.g., blocking is a problem, since he wouldn't be able to unblock himself). --Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  18:13, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Support promotion to be revisited by committee after a few months. CUR's at critical point in his life, being the age he is. Perhaps these recent experiences and what should be a really exciting summer for someone his age will instill more accountability than his post below in Do Whatever You Want reflects.  I wish you the best CUR.  Thee Nuttish  Talk 18:32, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * In what will be my last post hopefully (I want to leave as much as you want me to), I'd just like to say I agree with Nutty Roux and then some (if anyone wants explanations of that, they will have to e-mail me, otherwise I will end up looking like a troll and I will be kept from leaving (in other words, don't ask)). -- 18:42, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Support. Infinite in principle.--Bobbing up 02:33, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Against Promotion

 * Looks like it is just me. He has had his time off and his behaviour improved remarkably. He made an error of judgement offsite I don't think that should count in terms of rights here. - User   19:13, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Tacos de cabrito

 * Don't count my vote, as I have to recuse myself from this one obviously, but I agree with teh Weasel and Ace.  ħ uman  18:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Do whatever you want
Fine. Whatever. I really stopped caring a while ago. I mean, there's really no point in me doing anything, is there? No point in trying anything. No matter how well I carry my self, at some point I'll screw up. And then that'll be what everybody remembers. And then, when it's almost out of their minds, I'll do something again, and so on. I know because that's what happened in RL. At some point, something I did or said wrecked my life, and nothing I do can get rid of that. So I decided to try my luck at the internet. But it's only shown me one thing: nothing I do will ever, ever make a difference. I've seen other editors be disruptive. But they're forunate, they screw up rarely enough that things don't compound in people's heads. They get by with it. But I don't. I've become the most hated, openly persecuted user her. I can offer an example:


 * 1) When Sterile was going to be demoted to 'crat, DogP made the comment that they should be sure it wasn't me wearing a sock.

There are probably more, someone should make a list. But I won't. There's no point in anything. In three billion years, the atmosphere of the planet will be almost gone. About two trillion years after that, the proton will decay. Everything will be gone. The way I see it, there's not much point in making anything better if the effect will just be wiped away later on. Mind you, once I'm out of this. . . lethargic state, I'll probably come back. But not under this name. And since, if I remember correctly, you judge each sock based on behavior, I might have a chance. I might not. When the time comes, I'll just have the sock be renamed to ConservapediaUndergroundResistor, and I might be tolerated. But I think not. People focus too much on the past, remembering old mistakes. People fight over ancient grudges. There's no point. -- 18:26, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Its not ancient grudges CUR. The past is the past sure, but mistakes happen all to frequently in the present. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 18:31, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Back up--when I was going to be demoted to what? When did that happen?  Sterilewalkie-talkie 18:40, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think he meant to say Refugee. Totnesmartin 18:45, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You know, people will dredge up past mistakes when you keep making the same mistakes. If you showed you weren't doing the same damn things, people wouldn't care about the old stuff so much.  Just a thought. --Kels 18:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Hell, people rarely bring up the fact that I crashed the database anymore. *twitches.* TheoryOfPractice 18:46, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I really have to bite my tongue over that. Генгис    19:07, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * And re: CUR. I'm hard pressed to say what to do.  I'm not the sort of person that spends a lot of time attracting attention to myself, so I have trouble understanding CUR, except from the perspective that I was 14 once a long time ago.  But we are all really tired of it.  We spend way too much time trying to figure out what to do about one member. OTOH, I can't figure out a way to prevent it.  I don't know that indefinite promotion will actually help.  Nor would a code of conduct.  Maybe it would be best to positively reinforce "good" behavior and ignore the rest.  I don't know.  But I'm really tired of it.


 * What I do know is that analyzing every single page-range of an editor to make a point is rarely productive. It's just looking to blame someone for your own problems.  Quite paradoxically, it usually doesn't help, except to make a game of he said-he said.  And, in a fairly egalitarian society, it will accomplish nothing but hostility. Sterilewalkie-talkie 18:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

CUR, you're missing the point by a long way. This isn't about persecution; it's about trying to find a way out of the cycle of conflicts & dramas. Promoting you for now is probably best for the interests of the RW community, due to the repeat problems we've had

Now some personal advice. The problem is that you make a lot of the same mistakes over & over, & don't seem to be very self-aware in terms of how others might see your behaviour or how your actions might affect others. Maybe this is the case in your RL too if you've had similar patterns with people in the real world. To get over obstacles with people, & not get into the same conflicts repeatedly, you should try to learn from your mistakes, listen to other people's advice, & really listen to their criticisms. I went through some bad problems with friendships & relationships in my teens & early twenties, & it took me a long while to really come to terms with how I was creating the problems myself through my own selfishness & naivity. It's a hard road, but learning about yourself & trying to look at yourself as others see you is really the only way through. 18:59, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I hope you didn't interpret it to meant that I was denying I was at fault. Basically, what I was saying is that I screwed up through my own stupidity, but nothing I do now will change anything, so there's not point. Therefore, the most logical thing to do is leave, after tying up some loose ends. -- 19:04, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Not true. If you leave here, maybe you'll go through similar patterns of conflict on another website, & then leave that too, & again with another, & again & again.  I did the same thing when I was going through school & university (but with groups of people in real life rather than the internet) & the same patterns of rejection just kept recurring - because I was just making the same mistakes over & over.  What I'm saying is that working at problems & rebuilding bridges is much better than just walking away.  & For the record, I will be sorry to see you go if you do leave RationalWiki.  I just think you need to tone it down a bit, think more before posting comments (e.g. what kind of reaction are expecting from people?), & work on some of the flaws that are getting you into these repeat conflicts.   19:23, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Something to be worried about, true. However, I think the my entrance into the site wasn't exactly lovely. My entrance onto other sites (ie unnamed forums) was very lurker-ish. Anyway, I'm going to come back, just not under this name, and I'll lurk first. -- 19:29, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I'd like to say that I like having CUR around in that it's nice to have younger blood and he is keen enough to actually want to be here. However, it should be remembered that RW doesn't claim to be a family-friendly site (so if he really is only 14) then he should have parental supervision. Many of us have been here for almost two years and have long memories of CP's NotBK and the foundation of RW, so remembering CUR's antics from just a month or so ago isn't a great feat of memory or holding a grudge, it's still recent history. Although I can understand that if CUR is only 14 then a couple of months in the past seems like an age. To me, CUR (in line with his name, perhaps) has the demeanour of puppy running around, getting under people's feet and chewing the furniture. It's time that he started to become house-trained. So I would advise reading a bit more and speaking a bit less. Get to know how the more adult conversation works here. Review our mission statement; it's not just about poking fun at Schlafly's blog. Rationalwiki is a sort of home for many of us we take liberties with each other as perhaps we would with our real families, but we know when to stop and when to apologise if we go to far. If we make posts off-site using our RW personas we have to remember that we are representatives of Rationalwiki and acting foul-mouthed or boorish only brings disrepute on us. Personally, I think too much was said on Jill Stanek's blog. She's a virulent anti-abortionist so RW was never going to get a good press. Our mass presence there probably only made matters worse as it reinforced their idea of an oppressive liberal group trying to shout down their POV. There was never any way that we would be able to change any opinions as they are so entrenched. Something like Tony Sidaway's blog is a different matter as he and his followers would be more receptive to a reasoned argument. As we claim to be RationalWiki it is incumbent on us to act in a rational and reasonable manner when we descend on another site otherwise we just fall prey to TK's slanderous generalisations. As Dame Edna Everge is wont to say, "Remember you're out".  <font color=Blue>Генгис    19:06, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR, this really is getting to the point of trolling, but I've never jumped in to empathize with you, so I'll do it. Once.  You didn't screw anything through your own stupidity.  You screwed up because you're not an adult, though sometimes it's easy to forget that you don't have all the tools an adult has to be discerning and comport himself appropriately. You'll learn.  There's no sense in all this dramatic fatalism, and I think you'll find it as embarassing as the underlying conduct we're talking about here. The most logical thing to do is finish your school year and have a great summer.  <font color=#1100aa face=albertus size=2>Thee Nuttish  Talk 19:10, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * All Hail what Nutty Roux said.   The point is CUR (and we all hate having to repeat it over and over), we don't hate you.   You're not despised, and there's no need to get your knickers in a twist, no need for teen agnst drama ('cos that's all it is, and I used to be good at it myself once).   Just get off the damn computer and have fun being a 14 year old.   I wish to all fuck I was 14 again, and some day you will too.   Missing it because you bickered with a bunch of strange adults online would be the most stupid thing you could ever do with your life.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  19:31, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Twa's wouldn't be a problem if I actually had any friends in real life, or for that matter, my hometown had anything to do but surf the web. -- 19:37, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Dude, I spent a lazy summer and fall in a two-bit town in MO after dropping out of college. Went swimming in the clay pit most nice days, riding my bike there.  Rode bikes with a friend or two or alone at night after making pizzas.  Wandered around the surrounding countryside (calling it "hiking" would be an exaggeration).  Now, I was an oddball too, not a lot of social skills, but by then I usually had a few people I could call "friends".  There's always something to do.  Collect local flora, search for and record local fauna.  Read local history.  Destroy lawnmower engines.  Eat ice cream.... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:52, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Unforunately, I don't have a clay pit, I'm not allowed out at night, there is no surronding countryside, the local flora is grass, the local fauna consists of a few crickets and a stray cat, the local history is non-existant, and my parents can't afford ice-cream. I live in a place where the surrouding countryside is highly developed, private farmland I can't access. -- 20:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm go to a howl or something like that, but you have to be 18 due to the fact that they don't want parents bitching. -- 20:06, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Take a break and go fishing. There are some hillbillies on the History channel trying to catch a 12 foot alligator gar.  I want to be those hillbillies.  You go be those hillbillies this summer and I'll buy you all the ice cream you can eat.  <font color=#1100aa face=albertus size=2>Thee Nuttish  Talk 20:48, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * This may be rash to suggest, but CUR, children have been sneaking out at night since at least 4004 BC. If I didn't go all the places "I can't access" when I was a kid, man, I don't know what I would have done.  Just don't mess with the livestock or burn the crops.  You have dirt, right?  Dirt is fun.  Dirt is also full of critter most times.  Get a mason jar and set up a dirt critter aquarium.  Hmm, what is is cool in Misery?  Sunsets.  Those horizon-to-horizon red white and blue sunsets you guys get on clear summer evenings are fantastic.  So is heat lightning. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:52, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What's cool in Missouri is rednecks and great natural beauty, both of which are thrilling at CUR's age. CUR - if you really think those farms are "off limits" you lack imagination.  Human is right.  It's nobody's place to tell you to sneak out (do it), but if I didn't sneak out at night when I was your age I wouldn't have gotten stinky fingers from Heather Smith, had my first non-dad beer at the quarry, played basketball in the school gym after hours, taken a shit on my enemy's parents' car, or sat around with my pals waiting for the sunrise for the first time.  <font color=#1100aa face=albertus size=2>Thee Nuttish  Talk 21:00, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Heather was great. Heckuva gal. Seriously CUR: you obviously are not lacking in imagination--it's a big world, get out there and enjoy it. RW is a cool place, but hanging around a bunch of middle-aged has-beens like Ace, Human and myself is kind of lame as compaged to real life. You're only young once. Don't waste it here...TheoryOfPractice 21:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Only once? Man, I've totally blown my quota. --Kels 21:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Worry not, Kels, you're allowed to behave like a youngster when you're my age. It can be fun! 21:24, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Whoa whoa Whoa there ToP. Who you calling a middle age has been? I have always been and secondly I aint middle aged....not quite, still a young man....just....Also, I agree, Heather was dynamite. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 21:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * On behalf of Heather, may I request that this thread be stopped NOW. 21:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I "dated" her mom a few years back. Equally hot, but much more skilled. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:45, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Forget Heather - WTF Nutty? You shat on someone's car? Jeez. Eeewww. OMFG, etc.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  23:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * yeah. i did. that's how i rolled when i was 14. <font color=#1100aa face=albertus size=2>Thee Nuttish Talk 16:31, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

I dont mean to be a dick but...
CUR's descion has been amde and I think maybe we should focus on other things. Wrap this page up and leave things as they are. I know we are are having an awesome love in here and I am horny too but this is going nowhere. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 19:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Fine with me. Good luck, everybody. I might be back in a week (under a different name). -- 19:42, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Give it longer than a week CUR, lest it become another situation where we have all spent so much "CUR Time" (as we have today/yesterday) only to have you say your leaving and then pop up again saying your back and you cant leave. Then this will again be remembered as CUR attention seeking. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 19:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Don't pick a name with Conservapedia in it, that always annoys me people do that; like we have nothing else to offer. - User   19:52, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I was thinking of some sort of mythological character or latin name. -- 20:07, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Bacchus... -- 22:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I emailed CUR the perfect name.  22:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Pan. Perfect for the furries too. <font color=#1100aa face=albertus size=2>Thee Nuttish  Talk 22:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sometimes I'm not sure if he's a furry or a fury. -- 22:54, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

OK, our pet twerp has been sent to bed and the grownups can now discuss this arrangement
Please to discuss. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:47, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * He's not going to go anywhere. How many last posts did he have today? He is clearly looking for reaction. We give a big love-in and get all wet. Then he's better. Repeat. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 22:55, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * RW orgies love-ins are the best. -- 22:58, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Oh come on now, he's obviously leaving and never coming back.  Let's face it, the track record is pretty bulletproof in that department.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  23:01, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * EC*sigh* I imagine we all, every one of us, something of the misfit kid, so I empathize with the guy. Really, I do. But we're not here to play social worker; the site is, allegedly, a place where we can have some fun and share some knowledge. In many ways CUR's contributions got in the way of that. What to do when he comes back? I dunno. We'll prolly just go through the same nonsense all over again--which all things considered, isn't all that horrible. But I couldn't see maintaining the status quo any longer. I think the heart of the problem is, as the famous New Yorker cartoon says, on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. In real life we'd meet at a bar or at Huw's place and wouldn't have to deal with some earnest, well-meaning, if somewhat twerpy kid. On the 'net, all the rules change. If his folks ever sat down to seriously read some of the discourse that goes on here, they'd prolly revoke his net access 'til he was 30. Which might be best for him...TheoryOfPractice 23:02, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * All I heard was "Party at Huw's". Ace McWickedbitch and moan 23:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I LOLed!!! Come one, come all, you're all welcome. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:29, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * It does appear that all he wants is attention, negative mostly. There's no reason he needs sysopship to edit here, so why does he need it? Just let him sit as a simple editor with no powers and make it known he is not directly affiliated with anything here other than the way that anyone off the street is associated with this place. I see no reason to keep giving him back responsibilities when all he wants is the negative attention. --Irrational Atheist 23:04, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Personally, I'm never forgiving him for the veiled suicide threat.  That was unforgivable IMHO.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  23:07, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * That was pretty low yeah. I am sick of all the aggrevation. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 23:08, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * @TOP above: What is the deal with his homelife? I hear rumblings about mom & pop CUR, and jokes in that respect, but I get the impression the boy is rather...sheltered. The suicide thing was pretty low, yeah... -- 23:09, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR, I know you're reading, so what I mean is - if you really felt that way, please, talk to your parents or someone you can talk to about it - really, and SOON.  But if it was just teen angst, that's unforgivable - there are so many people out there with real problems that are a LOT more serious than social acceptance in online communities that to mention suicide in such a trite debate is disgraceful.   Not only do you look silly, but you put a lot of us through some not inconsiderable anguish.   Speech over.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  23:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Can we steer this back to, do we mind babysitting our pet twerp? And, yeah, I'd really, really like to have some feedback from his rental units on this, in general. I suspect they respect us, and even enjoy his activities here - due to our mission being on course with their world view. But I have no evidence. CURrents, can you chime in? We'd really like to know your thoughts on this issue. Are we respected in loco parentis, or do you have no idea who your kid is playing with? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:36, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Human, I love RW as much as the next PZ Myers-worshipper, but I'm not sure I'd want my 14 year old trolling around all the goat sex jokes and such. Honestly I think CUR just needs a Wii. Or a girlfriend to play Wii with. Snicker.-Diadochus 00:13, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Or more exactly, a girlfriend to play with his Wii. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  00:15, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm with you twerps on that. I'd really like to know how his parents feel about us.  Honestly, we aren't that foul - we're a pretty smart, funny, educated bunch of people.  Maybe his 'rents get that.  Maybe they don't know.  I'd hope they know and approve, but I worry that this kid is on his own. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:29, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Smart, funny educated people who tend to joke about how the son of a prominent political commentator, the son of a national figure who was, (like it or not) prominent in her day, likes to stick gerbils up his ass. And that's not the least of it. I see where you're going with this, Human, the Kid may be "on his own" and in a bad spot, but 1. we aren't qualified social workers, and 2. I have no desire to explain goats, long-eared jerboas, 🇰🇪, Assfly, or Ace to a couple of well-meaning parents from some godforsaken farming town in Missouri. Trying to explain this place to my wife is hard enough...TheoryOfPractice 00:51, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Well-taken, ToP (why haven't you called, I've been researching your query?), but either his parents are responsible, in which case they have vetted our tropes, or they aren't in which case I'm worried for our little pet twerp. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:01, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Your concern does you credit Human, but - and I don't like to sound harsh - he's not our responsibility. Taking on the thankless task of baby-sitting disruptive, attention-seeking teenagers (if that's what he is) isn't our objective.--Bobbing up 02:31, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Now, goddamn, lets look at it this way....Human, there is no need to hear from his old's, we are not here to babysit and we are not in the position to have a parent/teacher evening with his parents. CUR knows what he's doing - in an unknowing sense. He is playing fucking victim queen and waiting for our foaming mouths to come chomping at his feet with "Ohhh so sorry CUR, please come back!". Look at this christing debate we are having already? Let the fucker go. This albatross has hung upon necks too long. If he says he wants to go - well fucking go then, we dont need a steering commitee to decide how to handle it. If any other one us left then we'd leave it at that but no, CUR must have the red carpet of care rolled out upon his two left feet. You mess with the bull, you get the horns. He knew it, we knew it. Archive, into the past it goes and when he returns, we'll deal with it then. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 03:41, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Maybe we should take the Ed Poor approach and give him on-mission writing assignments? We don't have to baby-sit him but he's a bored teenager and just needs to be directed a little. His Otter article was quite good but not what was wanted here. Let him research something that will require him to be creative but in a way that is generally acceptable. Alternatively CUR, you have an incredible learning resource available to you that couldn't have even been imagined when I was your age. Make use of it, there are lot's of free tutorials, try learning a programming language, maybe PHP or Perl? You're at an age when the brain can absorb stuff that slips right through my sclerotic mass. <font color=Blue>Генгис   05:11, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If I had access to the internet back when I was a bored teenager, I doubt very much I'd be spending quite so much time on a site like RationalWiki, except as a background Internet Explorer window to bring to the front each time my parents come into the room.
 * "What are you up to dear? I heard some strange noises."
 * "I'm - er - chatting with my friends on RationalWiki. I was just laughing because Human said something funny."
 * Any way, what I'm trying to say is, be an awkward, slightly rebellious teenager, just like the rest of us were at one point. Ah, I do miss those days. Bondurant 06:09, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

We're feeding the beast
It seems to me that CUR's problem is that he craves attention so he comes over here and what do we give him - attention - lots of it - pages and pages of it. We're trying to cure alcoholism by giving the victim a drink. Far, far too much of our time is spent discussing 'the problem of CUR' - but there's, to my mind, a simple answer - ignore him and he'll go away. There will be a period of pain whilst he shouts louder and louder trying to recreate episodes like this but, eventually he'll take his ball and go elsewhere. Silver Sloth 05:17, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * See my comment above.....agree. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 05:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * In fact...I Repeat......"Now, goddamn, lets look at it this way....Human, there is no need to hear from his old's, we are not here to babysit and we are not in the position to have a parent/teacher evening with his parents. CUR knows what he's doing - in an unknowing sense. He is playing fucking victim queen and waiting for our foaming mouths to come chomping at his feet with "Ohhh so sorry CUR, please come back!". Look at this christing debate we are having already? Let the fucker go. This albatross has hung upon necks too long. If he says he wants to go - well fucking go then, we dont need a steering commitee to decide how to handle it. If any other one us left then we'd leave it at that but no, CUR must have the red carpet of care rolled out upon his two left feet. You mess with the bull, you get the horns. He knew it, we knew it. Archive, into the past it goes and when he returns, we'll deal with it then." Ace McWickedbitch and moan 05:27, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sorry Ace, I didn't see your comment - I couldn't see the wood for the trees - kinda our point, really. Silver Sloth
 * I think that what all the above shows is that many people do not, as you say, want him to 'take his ball and go elsewhere', but instead want him to perhaps change his admittedly loud ball for a somewhat more demur one. I think it also shows that some above feel some minor responsability for him, and that, IMO, is to their credit. EddyP 06:08, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I think it's quite clear that this (otherkin) leopard won't change his spots - not in the immediate future anyway. Silver Sloth 06:16, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Move to close and archive

 * Let's park this already. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:34, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

VERDICT
'''Charge dismissed. '''

Closing & archiving in one hour. 15:42, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * "Dismissed"? Don't you mean, CUR will stay promoted for the interim, case closed? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:56, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Nope: the charge was against you, H. That's been dismissed. The action re. CUR is basically what you were charged with & isn't part of this charge. 16:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No wrongdoing on the part of Human; CUR should remain desysopped, for throwing my goodwill back in my face if nothing else. 16:26, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Human was guilty of nothing more than getting pissed off with someone who deserved to be pissed off at. Done and dusted. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 16:28, 23 April 2009 (EDT)