Talk:RageAfterStorm

Deletion of YouTube and Twitter
Do we know why they deleted their YouTube and Twitter? Is it a possibility they were doxed, so they rushed to delete everything? Dr. Witt (talk) 03:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Real name
She has publicly linked to a website which contains her real name. I assume it would not be doxing to include this? CowHouse (talk) 05:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I know about the Kipper Central link. Is there another? 05:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was talking about Kipper Central. Specifically, these two links. CowHouse (talk) 05:16, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Web.Archive links

 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170823080557/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/900267855853367296
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170605115104/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/871695866956058625
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170521204743/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/866395101358063617
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170520201200/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/866023725090697217
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170518124330/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/865186080630468608
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170518064324/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/865095458506584065
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170517194219/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/864929091459436544
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170508104242/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/861531801663262722
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170506181818/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/860921681417785344
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170429231947/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/858460837157244928

JSON formatted, hella ugly. 05:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * >JSON
 * >ugly
 * . 05:32, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

RageAfterStorm is a Globalist Jew
https://www.blindlight.org/index.php/item/1057-rage-after-storm-one-more-pretty-girl-globalist-hangout-to-push-chaos-for-the-elites

05:16, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Additional archived links

 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170327185547/https:/twitter.com/rageafterstorm
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170629000913/https:/twitter.com/rageafterstorm
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20170701202350/https:/twitter.com/rageafterstorm
 * http://archive.is/75Ny4
 * http://archive.is/2KHNG
 * http://archive.is/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/*
 * http://archive.is/offset=50/https://twitter.com/RageAfterStorm/status/*
 * https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22RageAfterStorm%22
 * http://archive.is/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP9Ug2BBAfXKB6UGn8ZrMfw*
 * http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP9Ug2BBAfXKB6UGn8ZrMfw/

06:30, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Bronze?
I think the page warrants it. CowHouse (talk) 15:55, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it should be more substantial rather than having the appearance of a quote dump (like an analysis of why the words this person spouts out are complete festering fermented mold buds), and the intro I think can be a little better. Finally, the references are poorly formatted, I mean terribly formatted, just being a bunch of links saying "archived tweet", might want to at least make them more useful. 20:51, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback.
 * I generally find that simply documenting the words of alt-righters is the best method of criticism. There could be more substance although it feels a bit unnecessary to explain why most of what she is saying is bad/incorrect.
 * Do you have any suggestions on how to improve the formatting for the references? CowHouse (talk) 03:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Why I'm against this personally
I only write/edit/create articles on alt-right & Neo-Nazis if they're over 20, not a teenager. This is because teenagers do and say silly things they will regret. By the time this girl RageAfterStorm is in her mid-20s she might have renounced and changed her former views and looked back and realised she had been an idiot. There's also the fact teenagers on the internet are often "rebelling" and trying to appear provocative as possible as a phase; so sometimes they don't even mean what they type. Note this girl mentioned her mother and said she was saying racist things to her to see her reaction etc. Anyway, that's just my view. Dr. Witt (talk) 22:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * She's not exactly a teenager now, though. She's around 20. Either way, she's not immune to criticism of opinions she may regret later. If she does turn around (which I doubt given political opinions at this age are pretty much established), we'll note her in the article. She's already not... a nice person by trolling her mom. She's not exactly a vulnerable target given she has 93 thousand subscribers (though IMO her view count is... paltry, being only 30,147; I only say that because one of my own stupid videos got 3 million views; to be fair, her Tweets also aren't very impressive). Still, her viewpoints align nearly exactly with typical alt-right talking points, so overall, I don't think we should back down on our criticism. Again, we're not criticizing her as a person, we are attacking her ideas which are no different from rancid ideas by a 30 year-old man and those ideas still have that power to putrefy and corrupt. 00:18, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * She has had over 1 million views and has expounded neo-Nazi views over 25-ish videos. If it is a rebellious phase, it is a remarkably well-thought-out and well-produced phase. If RageAfterStorm renounces her views, we can certainly cut back the article. 01:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * To be fair, she is only a few years younger than James Allsup and Lauren Southern, and she is still an adult. It seems arbitrary that you have said they need to be over 20. 20 year olds also say and do stupid things that they will regret later.
 * She is about 20 now, but I think Dr. Witt's point is that she was 18/19 when her videos came out. I almost feel bad for her. Even if she does change, she has now publicly broadcasted her views and they are almost certainly going to affect her future relationships and career. I disagree that her political opinions are established now, but maybe I'm just optimistic. By the way, the archive of her view count was measured when she had deleted most of her videos, so it is not accurate at all. At least three of her videos had over 300,000 views. CowHouse (talk) 03:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Even so, she still has the mental competence to do all of this and fish out all these views. Actions have consequences so if she can't get a job or relationship because of the stupid, hateful, hurtful words she spewed out, the joke is on her. I still think political opinions at this age have been established. I have a really hard time feeling sympathy for her especially her success at spreading these crappy ideas, but if she ever, ever expresses genuine regret and recants those views, I will forgive. I am very afraid she won't. 06:53, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * To be fair, I said I "almost" feel bad for her, and that was with the assumption that she changes her views. On that topic, although it seems unlikely that her opinions will change, there have been some remarkable cases of people embracing and then rejecting extremism (see Maajid Nawaz, Jesse Morton). Admittedly, these cases are rare. CowHouse (talk) 16:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)