RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Keemstar

Keemstar | Result: Deleted

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Delete

 * 1) Just another YouTube talking head. The article consists of nothing more than a bunch of links to videos and some Twitter drama. No redeeming value whatsoever. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 21:17, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) A professional youtuber who believes some stupid stuff and sometimes says offensive things, not someone we need an article on. The article won’t be improved because there’s nothing else to say. Christopher (talk) 22:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "Sometimes"? ℕoir LeSable (talk) 00:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Some dumbass on the internet. The article itself even notes in the "ego" section that he doesn't have any real world impact beyond making an ass of himself. 23:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 23:15, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) dont know anything about this fella, but missional or not, the article itself is wank. its just a series of quotes with litte to no analyis, commentry, or context to pull it all together in any useful way. AMassiveGay (talk) 13:00, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) Just a list of stances. 48 sources, including 45 to Twitter, 2 to the YouTube page, and 1 to a 404 podcast with no archive.is archive and a broken archive.org archive. He’s a professional youtuber, but even his YouTube apparently has so little worth noting that we must rely on his Twitter instead. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒   talk  13:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed the 404 podcast. Gale5050 (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) RationalWiki is not Twitter. And also, is it really missional? Gale5050 (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Who? 19:38, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) Laterally who? 主要行事月 (talk) 19:55, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) Benefit of the doubt is usually wasted on articles talking about youtube nobodies. As I've said countless times before, we're RationalWiki, not TwitterDramaWiki. -- Goatspeed.  22:43, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hydronium hydroxide (talk) 23:06, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Keep

 * 1) Like it or not, he has a huge platform, and he has used it to spread 2020 election conspiracies, among other things. He is definitely missional. Plutocow (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not personally on you to improve the article, but what are your suggestions to improve it? I'm not liking its formatting as it does convey just a random yahoo on Twitter. I'd suggest improving the references but is there a way we can better convey clout from him rather than just sheer numbers? 21:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) What Plutocow said. — Oxyaena Harass  06:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Merge/redirect

 * 1) Move to draftspace, obviously. 15:31, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Deliberated it; this should be a draftspace. Even if it's an eternal draft, we shouldn't completely ditch Keemstar, the current article just kinda sucks. Techpriest (talk) 20:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Goat
His Wikitubia article also has 28 different subsections under "Controversy." Eesh. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 00:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like Twitter shito. What is this guy's clout in YouTube? Guy does have a large clout of followers but the article isn't that good. 21:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's more of a Youtube shito. His popularity primarily comes from commentating on and sparking drama, IIRC. Looking at his top 50 videos on Socialblade (only 1 of which is from after 2019, I should say), the folks he covers include James Charles, Jake/Logan Paul, KSI, Leafyishere, Mr Beast, Ninja, etc.
 * Withholding my vote for now. I'm kinda inclined to keep, as he still has a platform that still literally attracts a million views per video (basically, similar reasoning as, e.g., Chuck Norris. It's not what he's best known for, but it's his platform that allows it). ℕoir LeSable (talk) 00:56, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I keep going back and forth on this. Keemstar is somewhat half-instrumental to understanding the direction of YouTube (his entire youtube career is basically a reflection of the YouTube landscape at it's very worst, oscilating from videogame trolling to more questionable stuff to arguably being the root for the "debatebro" culture that would eventually pop up it's political segment (even if Keemstar himself isn't actively involved with those). At the same time, our article doesn't really reflect much of this, nor do I think that I could give you any notable sources on this very matter. He's an internet punchline, a footnote of a joke whose presence is reflective of the platform as a whole. I get that the site has a notable counterjerk on no-name YouTubers but Keemstar is a little bit more than that. I'll wait a short bit to see if I'll vote keep. Techpriest (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)