Essay talk:College is a waste of money

If Reagan and Jesus had a baby, this is the essay it would grow up to write. You're a brilliant man. Robledo (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I am merely telling the truth. This is based on the undeniable empirical evidence that is apparent in today's society. --Elvis is King (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Aye. Divvn't worry, some day a real rain will come... Robledo (talk) 23:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * One day, secular humanism and moral relativism shall cease to exist because it will lead to so much societal decay. The whole United States will look like Detroit if liberal policies are put in place. --Elvis is King (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure it will. You're right about college though, at least in the USA. It's just not worth all that money. If you do want to earn a degree in whatever, just go to Europe; colleges are super cheap there compared to the States. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 00:40, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Even then, you will get the same worthless piece of paper, the same leftist indoctrination, the same atheistic worldview, the same rejection of the Bible and sound morals, the same drug/alcohol use, the same sexual deviance issues, the same inability to find a worthwhile job, and in general the same reprehensible experience for less money. --Elvis is King (talk) 01:14, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * "the same inability to find a worthwhile job" A lot of engineering/research/analyst/etc. jobs, at least here in Europe, have a degree requirement. Nullahnung (talk) 08:56, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * A degree requiring the partaking in useless garbage? --Elvis is King (talk) 00:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, you mean the requirements are bullshit because the degrees only require you to do useless things? You know, universities try their best to make sure you come away with increased technical skills and knowledge as well as a better understanding of research. Nullahnung (talk) 01:17, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * College in general is useless. There is absolutely no purpose in wasting one's time partaking of unnecessary drivel. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Just the other day I've had someone tell me they would have been lost in their civil engineering job if they hadn't taken a civil engineering degree beforehand. They told me how some of the technical knowledge they had acquired during the degree they were able to use directly. Nullahnung (talk) 09:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * One woman at my workplace is getting a promotion and payraise because she went to classes and got her master's in engineering. Seriously, this one old fellow is retiring, she knew it was coming a couple of years ahead, so did graduate classes at the same time as an engineering job in order to fill his position as soon as he vacated it. --Maxus (talk) 18:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * So atheistic dogma and pot smoking equates to better jobs? Get real. --Elvis is King (talk) 03:41, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't leave out the binge drinking. ;) 141.134.75.236 (talk) 03:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. How could I forget that? The copious consumption of barely non-lethal substance that should be banned. That is one of the major problems with America. --Elvis is King (talk) 03:50, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And the same insistence that Elvis is dead. Fonzie (talk) 01:25, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Let me guess? You are a victim of the mediocre educational system laid out by Jimmy Carter. --Elvis is King (talk) 01:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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As a former committee chairman of the common council's education committee and as the creator of a free educational web site that is a Self-Organized Learning Environment (SOLE) (MyReadingMapped) that addresses many of your concerns, I can agree with some of what you state, but on the whole I have to disagree with it. You are totally wrong about corporations not wanting educated employees. The majority of corporations stopped apprenticeship programs long ago and recruit future employees at many colleges. Also many of them prefer employees who are indebted up to their ears in college loans in order to get them to achieve corporate goals in order to get that big bonus. Even if it means cheating their clients or committing outright fraud (as Goldman Sachs proved). Where I can agree is that many students who graduated are ill prepared for the workplace and need to be mentored in order to make them better employees. The main problem is that 30% of the first year college students are ill prepared for the commitment needed and half never graduate. We also have the problem of Wall Street mining students at for-profit colleges and online classes that heavily indebt these students with worthless degrees knowing that most will never graduate. On the other hand many online courses fail because they suffer from poor comprehension and/or poor pedagogy that does not effectively integrate a human teacher in the process in order to have face to face interaction in order to recognize and frustrations or difficulties the student is having.

Now lets make this personal. I never graduated college and had great difficulty getting the job I wanted. It wasn't until the first graphics compute arrived that I was able to find a way to further my career in advertising. Having mastered computer graphics enabled me to make my way up to being a marketing communications manager in New York City and I even became a middle-of-the-road conservative GOP common councilman in Connecticut. Thus education was vital to my success. Now that i am retired, I decided to create a web site to address students like me to enable them to be better prepared for college and to enable them to find what interests them most. There is a lot of science on my site because if it weren't for science I would not have become a marketing manager for a product dealing with the solar sciences. PragmaticStatistic (talk) 12:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)