Talk:Noah Carl Controversy: FAQ (rebuttal)

Side-by-side

 * Take a look at our RationalWiki:Side-by-side page. You might find this a better way to go for this page. Bongolian (talk) 20:19, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That looks very useful, thanks. Tobias (talk) 20:40, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Will continue this tomorrow. So far from what I've read - Carl is a bad liar. Tobias (talk) 02:49, 8 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Update, I've responded to half of the points. Will continue the rest later. Tobias (talk) 21:50, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

False, unsourced claim about me
As of 2019-09-04, this article contains the claim "At least one speaker, Dalibor Jurášek is a self-described Holocaust revisionist". It is intended as a proof that "some of the researchers who attended the LCI hold “far-right” views".

This claim is unsourced and I do not describe myself as a Holocaust revisionist. I thus ask that you remove this claim.

Moreover, Holocaust revisionism in itself does not imply “far-right” views as is shown by revisionists such as David Cole (a Jewish revisionist) or "the father of Holocaust denial" Paul Rassinier (a French pacifist and anti-fascist).

Dalibor.jurasek (talk) 07:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * It's not a false unsourced claim, you're a Holocaust denier according to your own postings on this wiki:


 * Only Holocaust deniers make the arguments you do.Lantern (talk) 09:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * you should revive this Holocaust deniers article. It was wrongly deleted, too few votes.Lantern (talk) 09:54, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Dalibor it's obvious you are a Holocaust revisionist (which does not inherently mean outright Holocaust denial) because questioning if the Holocaust happened is obviously revisionism. Lantern/you-know-who-yet-again, that article was a crappy stub, you are at liberty to try and write a better one anytime if you think it's relevant. 11:05, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answers. I am afraid this already amounts to word play. As I wrote in the discussion before, I am not obliged to have a resolute opinion on every topic. That does not make me a "revisionist" on the topics I have not studied deep enough to make a clear opinion.


 * For example, I do not know for sure if Jesus existed. That does not make me a "Jesus revisionist", although Wikipedia claims "Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed." So there is a consensus I am not sure about.


 * I could go on and on with many topics. I would be a "revisionist" on dozens of them. I simply take time and depth to reach a conclusion because I try to think critically. That would also mean all philosophical sceptics are "Holocaust revisionists", "Jesus revisionists" and "everything revisionists".


 * If you want to be exact, you can write that I do not have a clear opinion on the Holocaust, as I do not have on many topics, and encourage free research regarding the topic, but I am not a "self-described" revisionist. In any case, even if I were a revisionist, that does not imply far-right views (which is in itself a politically charged label) so the mentioning of my person there is misplaced and should be removed. Dalibor.jurasek (talk) 07:25, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The article had no supporters for keeping. It was deleted primarily because Jurášek had little notability and because the article was a stub. If someone can make a better article than existed (say in Draftspace), it might be reasonable to restore it. Bongolian (talk) 16:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * , I noted on Reddit I'm no longer creating articles. I do though have a sleeper account that monitors my page creation talks to see if there's any new discussions. This is irregular since very few have new editors leaving comments. Regardless, Holocaust denial & "revisionism" are the same thing. Similarly if someone said they were a climate change "revisionist" it's obvious they're a climate change denier and deny the consensus. I won't though waste any more time debating this. Lantern (talk) 19:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * dysk is indeffed in sysoprevoke without talk page access so now u drove them away ur free to do whatever u wantEK (talk) 10:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Not so fast, I will ensure that policy is followed through, this user is banned, banned. — Oxyaena Harass  20:19, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Very well done!
Great FAQ article Tobias. Well researched, detailed and well presented! Shabi DOO  21:31, 22 October 2019 (UTC)