User talk:Hastur/archive8





thanks
Thanks, any chance I can sign up as a Dental expert, being a dentist...? --92.70.110.106 (talk) 16:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course! We'll be sure to defer to your judgment-- 16:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
I don't know why you're in trouble. Have you done anything or are they just trolling you the way they troll me? Anyway thanks for helping when Tyrannis unconstructively reverted. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:04, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I was accused of the latest spree of goatse vandalism, and I may have inadvertently made things worse by trying to defend myself and the other accused, . And there was some other petty drama.  It's mostly over now, and hopefully people seeing this on my talk page will take their arguments to the coop instead of going on tirades here.  But never mind that, I'm always glad to help-- 17:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * When I complain about being trolled they troll me harder. I fear there are many victims of trolling here. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I made a post about it in the Chicken Coop, but it was mocked without much consideration.  Please, though, if you wish to continue this discussion, do so over there.  Thanks-- 17:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have never had any issue nor interaction with PC but Brx isn't being trolled, he is universally loathed. AceModerator 21:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * PC, I'd love to see an example of where you have "been trolled". If you see any, let me know, cause I will jump in and defend you from being trolled.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    On a perdu le contrôle 21:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure she'd find a way to blame religion for it, too.  01:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Question
Why, when UHM sends you a private email, and specifically asks you not to publish it, do you go ahead and publish it anyway? UHM has stood up for you a lot, I don't think it's right to be doing that then. I agree he is most likely engaging in a false confession, but if that's how he wants to leave, let him do it. He's got good reason to be annoyed, and he is slamming the door on his way out. 22:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, why, when UHM sends you a death threat, do you not report the incident to the proper authorities? 22:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Maratrean, why aren't you piling on UHM for bullying Brx with death threats? P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 22:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think UHM meant it seriously. I take it, he is fed up with the nonsense of this place, and so decided a good way to slam the door on his way out would be to falsely confess to the latest spree of vandalism. Given that, the idea that he could be sufficiently bothered to fly to Arizona to kill someone is rather preposterous, and I think he was hoping that would be clear to the recipient. 23:01, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * (EC) But aren't you the guy that takes umbrage when somebody suggests suicide, however obviously jokingly? How is UHM's jibe about killing Brx in his sleep any different?  23:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a joke I would have made myself, certainly. But what is the point of criticising UHM for it when he is already gone? Whereas, criticising those who are still here makes some more sense. 23:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I am. I'm criticising you for your double standards.  23:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Biggest question of all: Why Maratrean and Brx stick around website they claim has bullied, maligned and insulted them? WHy do they stay when they appear to dislike the community and the community dislikes them? AceModerator 23:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Why did so many people on this site continue to go back to Conservapedia even though they dislike that community and that community dislikes them? 23:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)'
 * Are you stating for the record you go here to mess with us?-- il' Dictator   Mikal  23:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't edited CP in years and I don't think many of the longtime, prominent users here have either. What's your point? AceModerator 23:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The main reason I am still here is to expose this site for what it is — dangerous irrationality hiding behind the label of "RationalWiki". 23:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Say the guy with a made religion. Why don't you do it offsite? AceModerator 23:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What's a "made religion" (I guess you meant to say "made-up"). Don't you believe all religions are "made-up"? This place's irrationality has nothing to do with its rejection of religion (whether mine or anyone else's). It is certainly possible to be a rational atheist - but this site isn't rational atheism, it is irrationality. 23:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * says the person believing in a religion he made up. il' Dictator   Mikal  23:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I was not interested in letting him take the fall for me. I would like this site better if UHM and I were regular editors.  And it's not like he admitted to having scoliosis or whatever.  The information in those emails was strictly wiki related, and I would not have posted them if that wasn't the case.  I feel that if I violated his privacy, it was a very, very minor violation, and that the potential benefits outweighed the costs, even if your ethical calculus factors in deontology (which mine does).-- 23:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like this site better if you and UHM never showed your faces here ever again. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It comes down to "The entire community should change to accommodate 2 of its most disliked users". AceModerator 23:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree it would be better if he stayed. I'm not sure if his main point was to "take the fall for you", even if he said that. Fact is, votes were running against banning you before he claimed responsibility, because there was no convincing evidence you were guilty. I think the main point of his false confession was just to slam the door on the way out - he could have done that even if you were never blamed. But I think seeing so many people blaming you may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. 23:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Essay:Is RationalWiki an anti-camel website?- just teasing, mara   ;)
 * -- 23:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

btw.. archiving
Typically is achieved by copy paste or some such nonsense, not moving the entire damn page-- il' Dictator   Mikal  23:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see the following section in archive Babylonian 5.svg  -- 23:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see idgaf whatever you said you wanted or what others said you could do;-- il' Dictator   Mikal  23:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you're just upset because my talk page is so freaking awesome right now-- 23:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * oh, yes, obviously. -- il' Dictator   Mikal  23:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * (EC) Nah, I've been to the British museum, this is kinda lame. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 23:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never been to the British museum. Been to the Louvre, but I mostly just saw Egyptian crap.  Never been a huge fan of ancient Egypt, IDKY.-- 23:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Because you're an uncouth imbecile. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 23:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what I supposed to looking at here but "awesome" isn't word I would use. AceModerator 23:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It just makes me think of HBK-- il' Dictator   Mikal  23:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * HBK was just a little weird. This one is a flat out liar, a racist, and a misogynist. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 23:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The Louvre is fucking boring. My wife and I drank a couple of bottles of wine before entering and still we couldn't find any fun to be had. Though the Venus de Milo was interesting to see. AceModerator 00:01, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I would have thought you'd be more partial to the intravenous de Milo. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 02:29, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Question.
I see you have voted on the chicken coop and left a little edit summary. Question: What do you think will happen to RW if I wasn't here and do you think you'll be treated better in my absence? AceModerator 03:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ace, you very well know without you to opress the new culture and hide the truth of your bullying of PC from her supporters, RW would become a Utopia of reason and logic on the internet. So please, for the sake of Humanity do the right thing. -- il' Dictator   Mikal  03:40, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
I see you survived the trial by fire. nobsCorporations are people, too. 01:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * thanks-- 01:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

PROTIP
It's the kids that go and tell teacher that always get picked on the most. Also, it's not the Mods' job to micro-manage drama. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 01:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, so it's a playground after all. And here I thought it was a wiki about pseuodoscience.  -- 01:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It can be both. I would've thought you'd been here long enough to figure that out. That's why the goats, for example. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 01:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with this playground is that there are bullies. There shouldn't be bullies on a playground.  It's not conducive to fun.  Now go away, every time I reply to you AD cries a little on the inside-- 01:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In what sissy utopia did you grow up? ArchieGoodwin (talk) 01:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Jesus fucking Christ Brx, you are a fucking child. If you don't like the way you are treated you can fuck right off. AceModerator 01:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you'd fucking get on with your life, you'd not be "trolled". Despite all this uproar about bullies in the school and in the world, after 40 years of life, I've pretty much figured out a bully cannot hurt you, if you know who you are, and have any measure of self confidence.  Bullies prey on weakness.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    On a perdu le contrôle 01:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If this a playground, it's only because you made yourself into the kickball by fucking with the wrong people here. Any problems you've got are due solely to your being a racist, misogynist, and a liar; these are obviously insuperable character flaws that don't sit well with these nice people. How you feel about that, Brxbrx? [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 01:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi bricks. Shut the fuck up, you never say anything interesting.  02:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Human, you is a suck. Signed Anon.... AceModerator 02:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not just about pseudoscience, it also explores authoritarianism and fundamentalism. And the fact a few hardcore authoritarians like P-Foster & Ace McWicked have wormed they way into positions of responsibility makes it a real life experiment how the rest of a civilized community can effectively deal with and overcome oppression.  nobsCorporations are people, too. 12:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

"Oppression." You're an idiot, Smith. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 12:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Guilty conscience or are you in denial? nobsCorporations are people, too. 12:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Neither. I'm amused that someone could piss all over people who face real "oppression" by comparing what goes on at a marginal website to their experiences. But, coming from you, it's really par for the course. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 12:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppression is as oppression does. nobsCorporations are people, too. 16:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me guess, Jews in Cordova? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

"the only active moderator that'll do his job"
Mods do not go around making sure everyone is civil to each other. See here. I do the job of moderator as detailed on the linked page. No more, no less. AceModerator 02:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * We have a job? No one even tells me when ATIM gets edited...  02:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You'll just have to wait for Blue to get back to her desk so she tell all the other mods where to sign in and start work. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 02:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Or sign out and fuck off. 03:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey Brx
How do you turn off the emails which get sent to you when someone posts a message on your talkpage? 22:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been meaning to turn mine off for a while but I haven't got round to it. 22:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And was hoping you could help me out. 22:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks in advance. 22:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Preferences->User profile->Email options->uncheck  E-mail me when my user talk page is changed 
 * And you should see archive Babylonian 7.svg, if you were hoping to bug me -- 22:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There's too much stuff on that archive for me to read. Can you summarise it to me in the form of dance? 22:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks. 22:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't got a video camera, so the dance is off. And the link I set up takes you straight to the relevant section.-- 22:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I saw that when you wrote it. 23:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

So what is the
thing you tried to replace the logo with?-- il' Dictator   Mikal  22:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I see it as I intended. As for what it is, it's a depiction of Enkidu fighting the bull from the Epic of Gilgamesh.  I'd be happy to give you some more background if you'd like-- 22:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * and i dont use vector, so i don't see as intended. and sure; why not, i have time to kill.-- il' Dictator   Mikal  22:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Gilgamesh was created by the gods to be a great king. The gods later decided that he needed a friend, and thus created Enkidu.  Enkidu and Gilgamesh went on many adventures, the two most notable being the slaying of the giant Humbaba and the slaying of the Bull of Heaven (which had been sent to attack Gilgamesh for turning down the goddess Ishtar).  The gods were furious that their bull was killed, and ordered the death of Enkidu (Gilgamesh was spared because he was acting in self-defense).  That concludes today's lesson in Mesopotamian mythology with Professor Emeritus Camille-- 22:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Camille is a girls name. AceModerator 22:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Where I'm from, it's given to both genders-- 22:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a girls name, girly-boy. AceModerator 22:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see what's wrong.23.16.219.49 (talk) 00:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you look at Mikalos' image, you'll see that the RationalWiki logo is not blocked by the image of Enkidu and the bull. This is because Mikalos uses a different skin for RationalWiki, rather than the default skin "vector."  -- 00:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Your image is blurry
Just to let you know, putting up both a large and small version of a commons image is like shouting 'you're not so tough, shortarse' at the feared Wikimedia Commons Bug. Possibly not the smartest move. Peter tanquam ex ungue leonem 01:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I see it fine, but thank you for the information and funny simile-- 01:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I had to go off and purge the image so I could see it. You must pay... with yet another orange bar notification. Peter tanquam ex ungue leonem 01:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, I was busy editing this page while you wrote that message. So no annoying orange bar for me.  But if you're ever in Arizona, maybe I'll buy you a drink or give you a back rub.  No homo (he said ironically)-- 01:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You know, you should consider seeking a tech position here. You certainly have the know-how and you don't appear to be evil or irresponsible.  Ask tmt or blue or someone else that knows more about whatever it is I'm talking about.-- 01:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * you don't appear to be evil or irresponsible. Is that a challenge? Techs have access to the edit filters&mdash;I would be able to effectively block you and you wouldn't even know.
 * Anyway, I don't know all that much, just have a good memory for what's already come up as an issue. Peter tanquam ex ungue leonem 01:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Very well-- 01:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear friend Brxbrx (or so I hope that you soon may be)
Greetings from a tortious tortuous torturous torte-eating tormenting tortoise who lives upon a tor. I want you to know that you will always have a friend and ally in me, dear old chap! Now tell me, in what ways may I be of assistance to you at this grave hour of need? Tortoise of Tor (talk) 09:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm worried I may be allergic to the cat I just adopted. Anything you can do?-- 15:12, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Devour its flesh. Take its strength for you own.   15:57, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A cure I must find to cat allergy for you. On my tor there grow many a herb, certain am I that every disease known and unknown a cure must have among them, but know not I which herb cures which malady. Fear not, young Brxbrx! Commence shall my researches, and certain am I that shortly find shall I among these herbs for you a cure. Or, if that to naught come, maybe should try you this new-fangled homeopathy - hear I that it works wonders! Tortoise of Tor (talk) 23:34, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do or do not. There is no try.  23:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A sleepy old elderly tortoise am I. Do is too hard when up is the warm sun and wanting the sun my cold-blooded back to warm. Do too hard, but try I, for just a little, before naptime. Tortoise of Tor (talk) 00:00, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you like some lettuce? 00:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, lettuce, that sound yum, for my elderly tortoise tum. Does it come with worms in it? Just a few, eat I not too many, mostly herbs eat I, but a worm or two be such a delight. Tortoise of Tor (talk) 00:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I'm allergic. My neck is also stiff, which is something that happens when I have a cold.  And one of my favored pastimes is alternative medicine skepticism, so that's a no on the homeopathy.  I know enough about it to know that it doesn't work.-- 01:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A mere elderly tortoise am I, not know much about this science stuff. This new-fangled homeopathy works does it? Trevor my friend who now and then come to my tor visiting of it he speaks highly. What know I? Just an elderly tortoise I be. Tortoise of Tor (talk) 01:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

No! No! No!
This is the one you want.

05:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Very cute-- 09:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Blocks
BTW, I obviously still find you to be a revolting waste of flesh unworthy of any sacrifice. I broke my previously flawless block record to make the point that RW's even more wild west since all this over-legislated horseshit. It actually has very little to do with you. If the rules are getting selectively enforced, the moderators have no business pretending they're anything but glorified paper pushers under the purportedly official characterization of our culture now being all orderly and rules based. I'm an even bigger asshole than Ace and Foster, yet I'm fairly sure that if I got cooped for blocking you unfairly people would get bored before they ever sanctioned me or removed my rights. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I made my point after the first few blocks when moderators reversed my blocks, yet took no action; I don't think there's any reason for another time-wasting coop.

You couldn't have known, but you and a number of others massively fucked up taking such strong positions when there was no way this community would settle into anything but a close approximation of the well-oiled anarchy we had. Seems to me the new system was bound to create a backlash when people got tired of the far higher level of conflict occasioned by new and rigorously legislated means of beating people over the head.

Notwithstanding the lie you've been telling for a nearly a year about the "circle jerk" you attribute to people who barely edit the wiki anymore (except Ace, who I think has been pretty active all through it), we really didn't have the kind of classist culture we've got now. Huw, Ace, and I are flattered that you attribute to us such vast power to direct outcomes, but I think everyone but you agrees all we're responsible for is participating in a dialog. After May, some of us said things others listened to because we gave our reasoning and offered at least as some compelling reasons for our positions as the other side. That's just how it is. You've never given anything of value in that regard; your "new culture" was a masturbatory fantasy. Your lies reflect nothing but your butthurt at being outclassed on what could have been trivial issues by people you're obviously painfully envious of. Hurts, eh? The only thing you and I agree on is that rules should be enforced fairly if they mean anything. Where we depart is that I don't think they ever needed to mean much because the community is and was pretty fundamentally decent. We just need to get back on track and get over the frivolous conflict.

What we really need is a wiki project to get our core mission material spruced up so we can at least get linked more often in places like RDF, JREF, reputable YouTubers, the Atheist Experience, etc.

Anyhow, the point is: we at least held some things dear prior to the collapse of order last May, like, oh say, blocking fairly. Check you later, turd. 14:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll even apologize for targeting you. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 14:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a definite trend with you, of acting like an ass and then refusing to be held accountable afterwards.-- 17:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm accountable to whoever wants to do something about it. But there's a 0% chance anyone here is going to carry your water, I'm afraid. Get the picture? I'll bet you don't. The trend you've established is being a repulsive piece of shit oblivious to the reality that nobody wants you around. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 21:33, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

E-mail.
Check it. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 20:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I received it, thank you-- 23:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Troll harder, Nutty
You gotta be fucking kidding me? Are you a fucking moron? Rhetorical question. Why don't you do what everyone has suggested and lay low, stop drawing negative attention to yourself and shut the fuck up? AceModerator 23:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkpage
Learn, you dumbshit, not to prod those who despise you. Commenting on my or Nutty's (or just about anyones) talkpage to but forward your vapid and pathetic ideas and/or comments is just going to end badly for you. So fuck off and don't talk to me. AceModerator 20:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If you got something to say to brx, you say it through me. Brx, tell Ace I'm not talking to him. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:53, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, Ace. Then the same goes to you.  Leave Rob alone, leave me alone, leave all your targets alone.  I think this may actually be a great solution to a lot of our trolling problems-- 21:14, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Leave Rob alone? Go fuck yourself. The same certainly does not go for me. AceModerator 21:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Having read this comment I find myself wondering whether something like a negative IQ might exist. --84.158.86.152 (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That is "whether", not "wether". --Revolverman (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I corrected the typo. --84.158.86.152 (talk) 22:37, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Learn, you dumbshit, not to prod those who despise you. Commenting on my or Rob's (or just about anyones) talkpage to but forward your vapid and pathetic ideas and/or comments is just going to end badly for you. So fuck off and don't talk to me. -- 21:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No. AceModerator 21:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how much can go wrong for ace; me yes, but ace?-- il' Dictator   Mikal  21:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest...
you reconsider your "nah, fuck that" response to trents suggested starting over if you seriously want to keep contributing here in a way that doesnt lead to "fuck you, go away"-- il' Dictator   Mikal  00:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Mikalos, Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing. nobsCorporations are people, too. 01:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no interest in being told how to act by a sex-obsessed tyrant. -- il' Dictator   Mikal  01:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you talking God or Rob? AceModerator 01:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What is any different in what I posted and what Mikalos posted, other than the spirit in which it was said? nobsCorporations are people, too. 01:50, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Mine didn't require religion. -- il' Dictator   Mikal  01:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * In spirit what did we say any different? you wouldn't have known unless I posted the link. Maybe the spirit of God is speaking through you to Brx. nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * if god wants to talk to people he should do it like in the bible, you kn ow, pillars of fire; a burning bush or blinding people; not vague "through others" bullshit. -- il' Dictator   Mikal  02:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * God spoke exactly as in the linked passage above, and you spoke in paraphrased terms specifically on the same subject: building up, encouraging, or edifying your fellow man. Doing God's work is nothing you need be ashamed of. nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize telling brx to run and hide behind a new, not trashed name, was building him up; or me repeating a call trent made was me doing gods work il' Dictator   Mikal  02:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * AceModerator 02:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It beats condemning or tearing him down ("you're going to hell, sinner, where you'll be blocked, banned and vandal binned for eternity"). "We urge you, brethren, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone." nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Mikalos, the vocal spite of a few of the site's users is not sufficient to warrant me going into hiding. What's happened in the last few weeks?  Ace, Nutty Roux, and yourself have tried trolling me, that's all.  Most don't really care if I'm here or not.  In the meanwhile, I discuss things, I contribute, and I generally shrug off the attacks.  I think in time the trolling will leave the community saturated, and having exhausted their welcome, they will flee for greener pastures (all the while grumbling about "aspies" and "obsessives" having ruined the wiki by improving mainspace).  That, or the trolls will wise up to their own behavior and will tone things down in order to retain their precious popularity.  If you want to help, Mikalos, you can try shutting up.  You can try not jabbing at me and Rob whenever we post.  You can discuss CP and all that without trying to provoke us.  You can even edit mainspace if that pleases you. -- 03:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note most of the people "trolling you" have been here for far longer then you brx, and they dont universally troll people; just you and others, which implies a character flaw in you, not them.-- il' Dictator   Mikal  03:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just me, you (yes, you), Rob, Maratrean, UHM, Ty (on and off), Proxima Centauri, each other (you think they don't have their feuds?), a slew of users that have since left (some driven off). Yeah, I have a real problem.  I'm part of the group they don't like.-- 03:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You had to have done something to get there first; therefor, yes, it is your problem. il'  Dictator   Mikal  03:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Was I wearing slutty clothes?-- 03:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you were being an idiot, and you need to get off the idea that people that object to you are 'trolling' (ie. being mean just to be mean and make your life hard) you. They are angry at you and distrust you because you act in annoying and objectionable ways and dismissing their problems with you as 'oh they are just haters' is not making you look like a reasonable, pleasant human being. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR longissimus non legeri 03:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Break it down for me, be specific, please.-- 03:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You really are a fucking idiot, aren't you? ArchieGoodwin (talk) 03:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I would argue that at the moment, he isn't being an idiot, but being rather evasive and trying to avoid having to take responsibility of his actions. By demanding specifics of things he has self-demonstrated a million times, people have explained to him a million times... I don't believe he is oblivious to his own actions. I believe he thinks altogether too highly of himself if he thinks that people will just accept his evasive maneuver at face value. Try again, brx. You know exactly what you do. You do it all the time, people call you out for it all the time. You are perhaps one of the most egotistical drama kings I have ever seen, and you know it. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR lavishly loquacious 03:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Drama kings? His real name, Camille, is a girls name so he is a drama queen. AceModerator 03:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * (ec) Mikalos, you obviously suffer from liberal obsession with your compulsive proclivity to hound and bully people who don't agree with you. I bet there's a 90% chance you're an atheist. You probably eat aborted fetuses and think incarcerated terrorists having to wear women's panties is a form of torture, too. I suggest you be open-minded and share new experiences with the subhumans who cohabit the planet with you.  nobsCorporations are people, too. 03:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What the fuck? ArchieGoodwin (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * -- il' Dictator   Mikal  03:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I swear to god he didn't write that. I swear I saw 90% of that posted on a site I use to look at back in 04. Dollars to Donuts Rob Smith isn't real. --Revolverman (talk) 03:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Camille is a rather nice name. I hope he wears it better than he wears the moniker of brx here. It would be a shame to waste it. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR walls of text while-u-wait 03:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Right... I guess it's pretty easy to make vague accusations without providing any evidence.  Generally on RW, there's an unofficial policy of "diffs or it didn't happen," a spin off of the 4chan saying "pics or it didn't happen."  What the fuck have I done that makes me an egotistical drama queen?  Trying to defend other users on the site?  Trying to reform the site's rules?  That's pretty much all I've done.  That's it.  You're so fucking full of it, you know?  You make this "nice guy" template, but you stand by while the wiki is roiling because of the trolls.  You don't give any sort of affirmation.  You silently nod along while Ace and Nutty flame users.  You make a rather offensive article denying the existence of Asperger's Syndrome.  Then you come here and you tell me I'm a drama queen, just because I want to reform the rules so that there's less room for drama and because I object to the treatment of some editors here.  Piss off.  You are part of the problem.  If you do nothing, you are part of the problem.  RationalWiki wouldn't have trolls if you could just get off your ass.  And I mean actual trolls, not me and Maratrean.  I mean the ones that repeatedly vandalize other users' pages, that pop in and flame others, that abusively block.  Those are the trolls, and that you refuse to admit it doesn't say anything good about you.-- 03:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, Brx. For one, being nice doesn't mean being tolerant to people who throw fits all the time. Contrary to what you may believe, being a kind person and making you feel good unconditionally are not the same thing. And are you really admitting to not having listened to what anybody has to say, such that you have ignored EVERY complaint that has been made to you? For one, you go around whining that the system of other people's design has to be fixed when they don't agree. Then you don't accept criticsm when people make it of you (which you are doing right now.) Then you seem to confuse 'people don't agree with me!' with 'people are mean and are harassing me!' And for the record, I never denied the existence of Asperger's syndrome, it's just that the actual community is very unclear as to what is included in the definition and it's an established phenomenon that people will self diagnose it for the benefits, especially as a get-out-of-jail-free card on the internet. That somebody else didn't like it is their problem and they're free to revert whatever I put up, I don't really care. That's the way wikis work, I don't have any attachment to my edits. Unlike you, who throws a fantastic fit every time someone even hints as thinking your point is invalid or useless. Your persecution complex is incredible. I like to consider myself a friendly person, but when you consume up to a quarter of the wiki with your ego and the responses to it (and don't kid yourself, if you didn't repeatedly deny you had a problem, people would not waste so many edits trying to tell you you have one!) it is very, very hard to keep a sunny outlook when it comes to you. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR just shut up already 04:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Brx, it's just in the nature of the mob. You trying to reform RW is like me trying to reform CP, there's just too many entrenched interests. And I was already an established editor. nobsCorporations are people, too. 04:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Somehow I don't think you were trying to 'reform' CP such that people would unconditionally accept what you had to say without criticism. Or that the crux of the problem at CP was denial of your own behavior. CP has actual problems, like Andy's megalomania. Not self-made problems like this dreck. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR yeah, well you fight like a cow! 04:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't know why so many are so upset. He's a Johny-come-lately to the party after RW decided to clean up its act. But I could be wrong. nobsCorporations are people, too. 04:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * he joined about a month after me; so he isnt that late in terms of CP, -- il' Dictator   Mikal  04:33, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * At the moment, it's mostly attitude problems and the way he deals with other people that people are upset about. When people explain to you why they have a problem with what you've said, the proper response is to try and understand what you did and why others might have objected, and then work out the problem... not deny you ever did anything and claim that people who have problems with you are just mean people who need to be reformed. It wouldn't be so much a problem if he didn't keep doing this repeatedly over weeks and weeks, causing people to generally distust him and generally dismiss/grumble at him as he proves over and over again he won't learn from his mistakes... and in fact will maintain (as above) has no idea what mistakes he made, when people have pointed it out to him over and over again. It's OK to dispute problems, and reach a conclusion, but it's not OK to deny anything ever happened and anyone who says otherwise is a hater. I wish this would just be over, he can be intelligent when this riotous garbage isn't swirling around him. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR longissimus non legeri 04:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC):
 * Which is why i suggested he look at trents idea again.-- il' Dictator   Mikal  04:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why was only this part of the Talk page restored? --Revolverman (talk) 04:42, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Um, I think that was me, feel free to restore the rest. I was editing when he deleted it, so I restored it... but seems only the section I was editing. Sorry, my bad. ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR
 * When i accidentally restored just this section it was because it gave me an option to "restore"; so possibly that. given it happended during a delete war as brx tried to take his ball home; maybe just lost in the chaos.-- il' Dictator   Mikal  04:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC)just shut up already 04:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Here, let me just kind of... fix it or something... ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR lavishly loquacious 04:47, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Fix it now, its all your fault-- il' Dictator   Mikal  04:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't figure out how... I can't undelete a page that's been undeleted already... :S heeellllppp... *wikiuseless* ±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR sufficiently advanced argument still distinguishable from magic 04:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to try to nuke the page, then bring it back, might bring back everything since its not under edit war, everyone cool with that?--Revolverman (talk) 04:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, go ahead. I'll copy the source of this page and if it deletes this section in the reversion I can just replace it with what's here now.±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR critical thinking is the key to success! 04:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I am a master of Kings Quest! --Revolverman (talk) 05:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * im afraid you forgot to grab the black cloth from the pitch black caves of horror and therefor cannot progress anymore; and youjr last save was at the start of the game.-- il' Dictator   Mikal  05:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * WHAT?! Aw damn it!--Revolverman (talk) 05:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * dont be sad, the copy protection probably woulda beaten you too,-- il' Dictator   Mikal  05:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * But it's dark in there, he's likely to be eaten by a grue.±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR critical thinking is the key to success! 05:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * no no, the grue is in the cave of hell music-- il' Dictator   Mikal  05:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

So nobody minds if all 223 deleted revisions of editwarring and bickering on this page are restored? You know you don't actually have to delete the entire page to play around with that sort of thing. Peter is procrastinating. 07:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

back on point
Perhaps a troubled youth with a wp:Dissociative disorder? While that may be deserving of kindness and understanding, OTOH he would need to understand no one has the right to dump their shit on other people. That's my dime-store diagnosis, but I've never interviewed the patient and am not really a doctor anyways. nobsCorporations are people, too. 05:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I know people with that, brx doesn't. -- il' Dictator   Mikal  05:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * He's just self-righteous and bold and not very worldly. He really does mean well, and I think he's learning.-- 07:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps you can explain why he continues lying about me. He doesn't mean well. He is no learning anything but how to play the victim poorly. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 12:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your attempts to ban him from the site are probably not helping. Maybe just ignore him?  I assure you, all the rest of us tune out his spite and accusations when he gets pissy, so any lying he does isn't going to do any harm.  He has no credibility.  Just roll your eyes and skip anything he says, since it infuriates you into attempts to personally block him from RW.-- 12:42, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you know that I oppose community bans. I'd respond to his lies and get into it with him like you all are but I've got work to do this morning. Blocking him like this is me merely expressing my contempt for him with a few keystrokes and mouse clicks, rather than throwing much energy at it at all. Perhaps you all could do the same thing while you hunker down and wait for him to stop acting like a developmentally delayed hillbilly. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 13:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If he bothers you so much, ignore him like an adult or call for a vote. Your expressions of contempt are not just verbiage, they're bans from the site that other people have to spend time repeatedly undoing just so you can get your venting done - plus it stirs up the drama again.-- 13:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Brxbrx needs mentoring. He & I collaborated on CP's Dan Savage article back in the day nobody knew who or what Santorum was. It was pretty NPOV, even by CP standards. I don't know how much time I can give to mentoring, or if the community would consider him as rehabilitated after. But it's an idea to kick around.  nobsCorporations are people, too. 01:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If he can't fix himself on his own, why shoud somebody else do any work? -- il' Dictator   Mikal  01:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll volunteer to mentor Mikalos as well. Neither of these chaps are incorrigible, IMO. Who knows what childhood trauma drives them to do what they do? but a kind and steady hand could lead them to being constructive members of the community. nobsCorporations are people, too. 02:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry rob; but i prefer how i am now to your concept of "constructive"-- il' Dictator   Mikal  03:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Email
Brx, stop emailing me every time you have a problem. Here is a good example of what can happen if you just back off for a while without praying to Your Personal Savior, AD. You were dumb and tried to delete talk pages, then you got into an edit war with someone over it (you were in the wrong, incidentally), and there was a mild and temporary over-reaction. Other users (Blue, Ace, WfG) saw this and stepped in, and everything was fixed within the hour. You were only very annoying and confrontational and accusatory, rather than extremely annoying and confrontational and accusatory, and so it only ate up an hour of time. Maybe we are seeing a learning curve here! I'd like to think so.

Anyway, everyone is awesome and RW is good and Brx is becoming by degrees less terrible.-- 07:33, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * But your optimism is hindering your ability to be properly sceptical about statistical noise, I think. :P Peter is procrastinating. 07:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

"This is how you restore a page, you idiots"
And you wonder why we don't like you?-- il' Dictator   Mikal  16:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

ED: bold, edgy style of humor
Bahahahahahaaaaahaha. AceModerator 22:08, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To each his own-- 22:10, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You can't seriously consider ED humour to be "bold and edgy"? TV show's like The Wire are bold and edgy. ED is sneering and puerile. AceModerator 22:16, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never watched The Wire. Anyways, it's a matter of opinion.  Move along.-- 22:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, The Sopranos is bold and edgy. I can't understand how anyone could consider ED to be bold and edgy. AceModerator 22:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please, screaming 'DICKS...! DICKS!!!' hasn't been considered 'edgy' since we all were in elementary school.±[[File:knightoftldrsig.png]]KnightOfTL;DR sufficiently advanced argument still distinguishable from magic 22:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As Bricks said, it's all relevant. When your maturity level is of an age, saying "you said fart" is bold and edgy.  [[Image:green mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   22:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

tool
[tool] noun 1. an implement, especially one held in the hand, as a hammer, saw, or file, for performing or facilitating mechanical operations. 2. any instrument of manual operation. 3. the cutting or machining part of a lathe, planer, drill, or similar machine. 4. the machine itself; a machine tool. 5. anything used as a means of accomplishing a task or purpose: Education is a tool for success.

?-- il' Dictator   Mikal  22:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * or did you mean this? STiLL dOnt see how it fits though-- il' Dictator   Mikal  22:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you always on? Fuck off already.  Find a new target to annoy.  You're exhausting my patience.  I can't turn a goddamn corner without you popping up trying to make some stupid jab.  Don't you have an extension that hides my edits from recent changes?  Use that.  Never turn it off.  Ignore me altogether, mkay?  -- 22:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Find a new target to annoy.  brx it may come as a shock but i didnt pick your name out of a hat; you made me not like you. -- il' Dictator   Mikal  22:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Black people love us!
Maybe you should contact these guys? AceModerator 22:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That was just a cutesie summary. Did you read the text above?  More importantly, do you think I am a racist?  -- 22:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What text above? No, I don't think you're a racist. AceModerator 23:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I assumed you were referring to one of the ED links, nevermind, then. -- 23:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, that site is pretty hilarious. I'll have to remember it.-- 23:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Since you find that site hilarious I think you'll be able to understand why you userpage essay is the funniest thing you have ever written and isn't going to be taken seriously by anyone. AceModerator 23:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Jesus Christ, I linked to Friend argument. Did you even read the whole thing?  It's pretty comprehensive.  I did this because Nutty Roux has been telling people that I'm a racist, and I'm worried that some may actually believe him.  I am trying to defuse these allegations in the best way I can over the internet.-- 23:10, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I read the whole thing twice and laughed heartily. Then I summarized it over at RWW. AceModerator 23:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

bold, edgy style of humor
After getting a pure white virgin drunk, a negro moves in for the kill

I was previously willing to grant the small possibility that you weren't actually a racist, but where just really really really really stupid for making that creepy addition that the white woman being raped by the black man is a "hambeast." Given your strident yet contentless defense (I'll fisk it if you're really going to stand on it and not just disappear quietly) and you going so far as to attack me, I'm more willing to believe that you're mentally retarded. It's also possible you're a sociopath. It's impossible to know. in any event, I'll continue calling you a racist, and a misogynist since I prefer not to assume someone is disabled without better evidence. Whatever your defect is, you're a vile wretch. 23:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "I don't need your bullshit. I am not a racist. I made a crude joke in a setting where crude jokes are not offensive. Quit telling people I am a racist." Joking about a black man raping a white woman and then calling her fat isn't offensive? I guess by that analysis you get a pass for heading over to Stormfront to make some jokes about jews, eh? After all, it's what the kids over there are doing and you're definitely not responsible for your own actions when you're just following the herd, are you? [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 23:41, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear little Brxy. Running away for a day is only going to make things worse. If you really want to avoid having to explain yourself, just go. Never come back. All you had to do was admit you're a moron or a sociopath and people would have been a little more generous, as repulsive as you'd still be. You're not going to get any quarter if you don't learn a little humility. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 23:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

The fear of black male sexuality and lynching
Are you aware of the link between those two things? No? Then you're an ignorant and uneducated fool. Yes? Then what the hell is wrong with you that you think you can make a joke about it? Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 23:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Justifying hate speech by saying "I was doing it among friends who thing it's funny"
Half read your weird claims on your page. Might as well say "I was at Metapedia and they liked my racist jokes. I was just kidding." 01:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC)