User talk:Phantom Hoover/Archive1

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That's the most pathetic welcome from someone on RationalWiki I've ever seen. I think we can do better. 23:23, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

I offer a most heartfelt welcome to you, Phantom Hoover. Welcome to the  ! 23:23, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, I got a welcoming block for being a sock of AmesG. Phantom Hoover
 * Welcome to the Dollhouse! Nice sig font, by the way.  ħ uman  20:18, 16 November 2008 (EST)
 * My sig is just a heavily edited version of yours. How do you do the upside-down text, by the way?  Phantom Hoover 
 * Hmmm, interesting. I'm not sure how to do the upside down thing (I haven't used it - or have I?), they aren't in the box of tricks below the edit box.  Maybe look at the source of someone doing it, copy from there?   ħ uman  17:13, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * Tried that, they just come out as normal characters.  Phantom Hoover 
 * Let's see... sloqɯʎs puɐ suƃıs uɐɪɹɐssoʎ - did that work? (Yes) I suspect he copied and pasted them in from some font in another application, perhaps.  Maybe you should ask Yossarian how he did it?  ħ uman  15:25, 19 November 2008 (EST)
 * xoq ɐdɪ əʜɫ uɪ s,ɫɪ 'ɫɪ punoɟ
 * It is? I don't see it.  Anyway, glad you found it!  ħ uman  18:00, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * They're not in a list, they're scattered around the weird symbol list. For instance, the ʎ, ɥ, ə and ɐ are in the IPA list, while Б is Cyrillic and n, u, o and so on are just normal symbols.
 * Ah, I see. So while some are "perfect", like u and n, and the ʎ is pretty good, others are clunkier, like ɥ.  The key is to use a phrase that employs the better ones ;)


 * ɐ q (c) p ə (f) ƃ ɥ ɪ (j) (k) (l) ɯ u o d b ɹ s (t) n Λ м x λ z - missing six so far...  ħ uman  17:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * Heh, ok, "l" is wrong in edit mode (serif) but fine in display if one is defaulting to sans-serif (arial)  ħ uman  17:29, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * ʌ-- ˙ǝʇsɐd puɐ ʎdoɔ ǝןdɯıs ɐ ɥʇıʍ ǝןqıssod ǝʇınb sı uʍop ǝpısdn ƃuıʇıɹʍ ʍoɥ ʇno puıɟ puɐ '„ʇǝuɹǝʇuı„ ǝɥʇ pǝןןɐɔ uoıʇuǝʌuı ןnɟɹǝpuoʍ sıɥʇ ɹǝʌo ɥɔɹɐǝs ǝןdɯıs ʎןƃuıɯɹɐןɐ uɐ ɯɹoɟɹǝd oʇ noʎ oɟ ǝןqıssod sı ʇı 'sʞuıɥʇǝɯ 'ɹo

Demotion
RationalWiki:Sysop guide explore as you see fit. The mobs and buckets are in room 202. tmtoulouse 13:00, 24 November 2008 (EST)

That block spree O_O
Hey there, watching through the recent changes, I noticed a rather fascinating block spree you went on with "My Password is ____". In general, we don't block for reasons of wandals unless they are actually wandals wandalising RationalWiki (although fun blocks are perfectly fine). Just thought I should drop a line, and give you some advice on that brand-new banhammer (Don't worry about it, we are all, deep down, eager to use our banhammer ;).
 * Yes, I was in a slightly mad frame of mind. I'm very sorry, I won't do it again. Anyway, [bitterness]what about the 1 day block I got on my first day? [/bitterness]

Block of Proxima Centauri
Why the f*ck did you block me? Proxima Centauri 04:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * You blocked Rose pedals for a year, despite the fact that they had done nothing to warrant a block.
 * Rose Pedals looks like a sock of User:Fall down. Proxima Centauri 04:27, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Did they hit Women, Whores, RationalWiki and Child support? WazzaHello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me... 04:28, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * In addition, their only edit was a silly one to Charles Darwin, which could not, by any stretch of the imagination, be considered like FD's rubbish.

There was other trouble. There were 2 similar accounts made to look the same to confuse. SEE below. I blocked him for several reasons.

1. He turned up in the middle of a vandal attack.

2. The name, Rose Pedals was similar to User:Spring flowers, User:Summer flowers and User:Autumn flowers. Those three are socks of the vandal.

3 The first contribution this new user made looked like vandalism.

4 When the second Rose Pedals came up that confirmed this user is setting out to confuse us and I blocked again without hesitation.

I still think it's more likely than not that the Rose Pedals accounts are socks of the vandal. I think we should leave one of the two accounts open just incase he wants to edit constructively. If there's more trouble block him. Proxima Centauri 10:18, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks for the update, yes, there was a lot of confusion going on. Hopefully it is all settled out now.  ħ uman  14:01, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * On an associated technical question, how come we have two different users with what looks like exactly the same name "Rose Pedals"?  Look at the user creation log and the talk pages - they are different.  Or are my old eyes playing tricks?--Bobbing up 14:24, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Is probably using a different Ascii letter for one of the letters - no idea which one - it's not cap i & lc L though. Or the space might be involved " " and "_" ? Fortinbrass 14:29, 11 December 2008 (EST)


 * "Rose Pedаls" "Rose Pedals" Hmmm. Firefox is marking the first "Pedals" as mispelled, so although even in a serif font it looks the same, obviously one of the characters is not.  Copied into Word, changed font to "wingdings", the "a" is different.  The "wrong one" is the one with the short talk page.  Yup, copying the url shows the "a" is really %D0%B0, whatever that is. Should we rename them to something innocuous?  ħ uman  14:31, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, they are pretty innocuous already. But it does rather indicate a knowledge of block circumvention, proxies, and trickywikying on the part of the innocent Miss Rose. Still - assume good faith, presumption of innocence and all that.--Bobbing up 14:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * True. PS, by "renaming them" I only meant the one with the weird character in it.  Perhaps Rose signed on using a mucked up character first then re-signed using normal letters?  (The weird one was first, IIRC).  ħ uman  14:46, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * OK. Yes that could be the explanation. I'd put the first account in the vandal bin (for the "Darwin was a sock of Hitler" edit) when the second one was created, so I think her IP should have been blocked as well.  Presumably Rose has a dynamic IP and she logged of and logged back in, was automatically given a new IP, and created the new account - without, what she suddenly realised was, a strange character.  Isn't "assume good faith" a wonderful thing?--Bobbing up 16:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Proxima Centauri 04:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)

With hindsight it may have been better to wait for trouble before blocking the second Rose Pedals. Weren't the 2 similar and confusing accounts trouble? This happened in the middle of a vandal attack. I've had repeated obscene vandalism to my userpage and talk page. The vandalism was before that and since then. The creator of both Rose Pedals accounts clearly knew how to do ban evasion and wouldn't be permanently blocked.

On RationalWiki we avoid the blatant abuse of power that happens on Conservapedia. There will always be a few human errors and there will always be disagreement about borderline cases. I hope this discussion won't start that obscene vandal off again. We do need to discuss borderline cases. If we don't we may gradually slide into unfair blocking practise. Proxima Centauri 04:52, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Where'd you copy and paste the conversation from?
 * User talk:Human

Rangeblocks?
Was that Tit's? Isn't /16 a big range? Are we even allowed to do such a thing? PFoster 10:10, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * If you looked, it was 127.0.0.0/16 (presumably you know that 127.0.0.0/8 is reserved for loopback) and was for 0 seconds. I for some reason had thought rangeblocks were disabled here, and was testing.
 * presumably you know that 127.0.0.0/8 is reserved for loopback) You're cute. Presumably, i know how to turn my computer on. I have no fucking idea what you're on about...PFoster 10:26, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * You know how to turn it on? Can you do tech support for me? --Kels 10:31, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry, I didn't realize that, no disrespect intended. The Wikipedia article explains it better than I could, but essentially you could only edit from that block if you installed editing software onto the RW server and edited it from there.

Rusty spotted cat
The article doesn't belong in funspace. Please replace it (or I just might if you don't come up with a better reason than it belongs there because I said so). --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistor cat! 17:04, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * For flip's sake, do it yourself. Signing off for the night.

Unfunny WIGO
I agree with you about the template thing but the way to deal with it is to vote it down not comment it out. As the page says "one man's boredom is another man's lulz". -- Lily Ta, wack! 02:43, 22 December 2008 (EST)
 * I get fed up with WIGO mocking CP for things which nobody would care about elsewhere.
 * I know what you mean, we've had a spate of low quality WIGOs but the consensus is that we give them the thumbs down rather than striking them out. -- Lily Ta, wack! 02:49, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Hello
Greetings! Miserable worm (recognize that greeting, worm?) mwahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa! (and also don't reveal the great master plan of general master-plannedness - it isn't ready for launch!)Samurai Fish 05:16, 22 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, shut up. Enjoy the vandal cat. AND LEARN TO USE THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROPERLY!


 * So you do recognize the greeting, well tell Mr.π that my entry on your talk page was a rude greeting, not an insult &mdash; Unsigned, by: Samurai Fish / talk / contribs
 * I shall do no such thing, and please specify an email address in your preferences.  Phantom Hoover  04:18, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Is your sig broken?
You having troubles there? - User   07:40, 22 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, markup doesn't work; the symbols just show up without any effect. My sig comes out as " Phantom Hoover " normally, but the same code comes out as "&#39;&#39;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#007500&quot; face=&quot;zapfino&quot;&gt;Phantom Hoover&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&#39;&#39;" 08:02, 22 December 2008 (EST)" when using the four tildes.
 * How does you sig come out without the tildas? Any way here is how you make an annoying sig like mine.
 * Create a subpage called User:Phantom Hoover/sig
 * Make your sig the way you want it to appear, including any links, in this subpage and nothing else.
 * Go to my preferences
 * Make your nickname and tick the box that says Raw signiture
 * Save preferences.
 * Before you know it you too can receive complaints about the space your sig takes up. - User   18:06, 22 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks.  Phantom Hoover  04:03, 23 December 2008 (EST)
 * No worries. - User   05:29, 24 December 2008 (EST)

What?
"Spica, stop your campaign of email intimidation against me." Wtf? What are you on about? I have never, ever, emailed you and I have never intimidated you. Is this a joke? If it is, I don't find it at all funny. 18:38, 24 December 2008 (EST)


 * Is this a joke Spica? Have you not seen our favorite little trick yet? Go to Weaseloid's page. - User   05:58, 25 December 2008 (EST)


 * Right, I see. 10:19, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * I see my name is being taken in vain again. Sigh!  Blame it all on the weasel.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 10:31, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yes! Someone fell for it!  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  04:45, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * You've blocked at Uncyclopedia. That is provided you're logged in there. Proxima Centauri 05:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * What? I don't even have an account.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:33, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * What she meant was that UC uses the same "trick" in the "block message" displayed in that section of that poorly-written article. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:42, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Nobody complained when that trick was done on recent changes where very many users saw it. I feel I'm being picked on. Proxima Centauri 05:13, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * What? Nobody was complaining. I just didn't get it because I didn't have an account there. I'm the one who's being picked on.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:02, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Whaaaaat?!
How the hell did you guess Redcoat was my account, worm? -- Redcoat  14:03, 31 January 2009 (EST)&mdash; Unsigned, by: Redcoat / talk / contribs
 * Your blend of sociopathic insanity and failed humour are quite unique. Moreover, you and your sock on Conservapedia have visited the same countries. Please stop calling me a worm. 05:42, 4 January 2009 (EST)


 * Thanks for the compliment --[[Image:British coat of arms.png|25px]] Redcoat [[Image:British coat of arms.png|25px]] 14:03, 31 January 2009 (EST)&mdash; Unsigned, by: Redcoat / talk / contribs

Jeez, no need to stress
Just a bit of fun. The server is defunct anyway, I don't see why you're having a cow. If you really want your account back, the password is "foobar" --JeevesMkII 07:52, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * Like I said, I have no understanding of Javascript, and as there was an email address in that script, I was worried that you had the password, and thusly my account here as well. Don't do it again.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  07:55, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * Fortunately for sanity's sake, most bits of software don't store your password in plaintext. Mediawiki included. It would be extremely hard even for trent to get your actual password. For me, impossible. --JeevesMkII 07:58, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Title
I do not find blocking even slightly amusing. (with butter!) talk to Toast  15:25, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, but you shouldn't threaten to desysop people for it. Your opinion of blocking is just that: your opinion, and bullying someone by using your cratship for preventing you from editing for 30 seconds is an abuse of power.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  15:28, 15 January 2009 (EST)

Pardon me, sirrah...
 Sourced. Statement. Relevant. Interesting. Helps refute fundamentalist misconception. Why removed? I mean, I can understand if you didn't think the Frankie Valli thing was funny, but still...WHY, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY? The electrocutioner 17:01, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * Fine, revert it back.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  17:00, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * Erm. In retrospect, I think I may have overreacted slightly. I seem to be doing that a lot lately. The electrocutioner 17:12, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * When I saw PH revert to an edit of yours, I thought he was putting Frankie Valli back in :( <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:01, 15 January 2009 (EST)

Preferences
If you check "Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript)" in the "Recent changes" tab in your prefs, it won't offend. (Crumpets) <font color="Maroon">and butter'' 04:57, 17 January 2009 (EST)
 * I hate the enhanced recent changes; I find it more clumsy than than the normal one.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  04:59, 17 January 2009 (EST)
 * So don't moan when the effect the facility is intended to obviate fills your screen. [[Image:Toast s.png|25px]] (Crumpets) <font color="Maroon">and butter'' 05:09, 17 January 2009 (EST)
 * You could always make yourself a bot, out of courtesy.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  07:33, 17 January 2009 (EST)
 * Hey! Oh vacuum of great brain, that's a good idea! Thanks - I'll try it next time or maybe I'll just create a botsock. [[Image:Toast s.png|25px]] (Crumpets) <font color="Maroon">and butter'' 07:35, 17 January 2009 (EST)
 * He just made the same request to me. I don't like the precedent this sets...   06:13, 25 January 2009 (EST)

?
? Bwah? Was that a mistake? Or did I do something wrong? The electrocutioner 22:37, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'm sorry. I completely misread the vandal-bin logs. And I haven't eaten in 12 hours or so, which I imagine isn't doing wonders for my lucidity. Statement redacted. I'll stop bothering you now. The electrocutioner 22:41, 20 January 2009 (EST)

monobook.js
I can't believe you feel that way about my sig. - User   05:57, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * No, I was seeing if it worked, which it doesn't.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  05:58, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Did you click ctrl+F5? - User   05:59, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * I use a Mac, and quitting and restarting Safari didn't do anything.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:00, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * It is still cached, function+F5 then. - User   06:01, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * alt-command-e for me, I'll try it now.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:02, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Still doesn't work.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:03, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Are you using Safari? - User   06:07, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yes.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:07, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * It doesn't work on Firefox either.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:09, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * It should work in Firefox. Do you know what is used by Safari in place of the IMG tag? - User   06:14, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * No, I don't, and it doesn't work on Firefox either.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:16, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * I think Nx has fixed it. - User   06:18, 25 January 2009 (EST)

(EC) It's because of your mediawiki preferences, if it's set to "Recommended for modern browsers", it will not generate an img tag. This should fix it, I think -- Nx  talk 06:19, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Back in my day IMG tags were good enough for us. - User   06:20, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * It still isn't working, and so I give up.  <font color="#007500" face="zapfino">Phantom Hoover  06:23, 25 January 2009 (EST)

There was a big Hoover plant in Merthyr Tydfil
But I digress. You can now bot and de-bot yourself. FTW, eh? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:40, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! My not-very evil plan can now succeed! [[Image:Phantom Hoover sig.jpg]] 11:04, 26 January 2009 (EST)

A touch of class
Nice sig. Silver Sloth 11:18, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, but I think it needs a little ironing-out. 11:24, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * It should be fixed now. 11:27, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * No, it's still not working. Time to test the ninja... 11:29, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's looking nice to me. Are you trying anything special? <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:31, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I put this into preferences, and got this:  11:32, 26 January 2009 (EST) -- Nx
 * Unfortunately, IE fails, again. [[Image:IEfail.png|thumb|right]] -- Nx  talk 11:35, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * On a more positive side, I found that the source of the problem was that my sig wasn't set to sig0 - it was set to the image. 11:41, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'm not sure if this is related but the margins seem to have been seriously raped. The window is going at least 500 pixels too far out. <font color=red face="Tahoma"> A rmondiko V  User_Talk:Armondikov 11:42, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I have no problems, but this might be because I'm using Safari. 11:44, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I found a hack on the net that at least partially solves this problem. On IE clicking the link will take you to the image page for some reason, but at least it doesn't break the layout anymore. I'll put it into a template so that anyone can use it once I'm done with it. -- Nx  talk 11:54, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Why don't you use Firefox or Safari? 11:54, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I do, but try convincing the rest of the world :) -- Nx  talk 11:59, 26 January 2009 (EST)


 * Would a redirect on the image page work? Love² 12:00, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Two problems with that: it can only be used once per image (not a problem for sigs, but otherwise it is), and due to the way mediawiki works, the page you actually get will have the image embedded at the top. But I think I found a way to solve it in IE, I'm cleaning up the template a little in preparation to move it to Template space -- Nx  talk 12:08, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Be sure to announce the working version when it's ready, this might be the motivation I need to upgrade my sig to a single template... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:14, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I've fixed that, but there was a problem with FF2 that pissed off Jeeves (see next section). It's Template:Imagelink btw -- Nx  talk 17:18, 26 January 2009 (EST)

YOU HAS TEH BORK.
YOUR SIGNATURE IS BORKED STOP FIX IT STOP WHILE YOUR AT IT COMMA USING AN IMAGE SIG IS NOT COOL STOP PLEASE STOP --JeevesMkII 15:59, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * * sigh* I'll disable it until Nx has finished the internet explorer fix. 16:03, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Browser name, version, description of borkage -- Nx  talk 16:04, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Firefox 2, and: [[Image:Hooverborkage.png]] --JeevesMkII 16:07, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Firefox 3 may be the solution; it works fine on my version (v3, on Mac OS 10.5.5). 16:10, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * No, the problem is your arserapingly stupid CSS. Fix it. --JeevesMkII 16:12, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I didn't make the trick; take it up with Nx. 16:13, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Fixed. It won't link to the userpage on FF2, but it will display correctly at least -- Nx  talk 16:41, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Rather than ponce around with fancy sigs how about having one that works on most browsers and not just the one that any individual editor uses. <font color=Blue>Генгис    17:17, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * It works on: IE6 (according to total validator screenshots, it at least displays correctly), IE7, FF2 (links to image description page), FF3, Opera, Chrome and Safari. -- Nx  talk 17:28, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I can live with that if it's cross-platform as well. <font color=Blue>Генгис    17:31, 26 January 2009 (EST)

You're a bureaucrat now?
Why didn't you say anything? Congrats! 23:10, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * Condolences. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:18, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Is this some evil trap?
Are you attempting to bait me into exercising my evil will on a defenceless furry therian animal? You evil temptress, you. --JeevesMkII 12:48, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * Maybe; I was going to make you a 'crat anyway. 12:49, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Redirect
Do we have a clash of policies here? i know we're meant to keep talk pages (although I can't any usefulness here), but I'd rather get rid of a blatant attack page. Yours trulyDear Sir 17:05, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * Why not leave the redirect? 06:16, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * I was hoping to wipe out the attackish title completely. Anyway I'm not going to edit war about a redirect. Yours trulyDear Sir 11:43, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks
wtf was that? I thought this wasn't Conservapedia? HWessel 12:32, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * I think he was just blocking everyone on recent changes. 12:33, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Intercom
Yes, it does. Corryundefined 16:16, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * Seconded. <font color=Blue>Генгис    16:17, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Sig
The image alone doesn't help. But check out my sandbox, I've improved the template. Instead of the vertical adjustment, it now uses MediaWiki's vertical alignment for images (text-bottom looks best), and has margins (you can see the effect of -4, -2 and 0 on my sandbox, -2 looks best across browsers and doesn't take up that much space) and it works on FF2 as well. -- Nx  talk 11:59, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Vandal
I note you were one of several who dealt with THC LOADEE. Fortunately there was more than one of you. On Dec 10th last year I dealt with a vandal attack single handed. That’s a thankless task. If you get it right the chances are no one notices. If you block the wrong person under pressure or seem to block the wrong person under pressure you’re accused of sysop abuse. If you ever find yourself the lone defender against a persistent vandal look for other active sysops in recent changes and ask them in their talk pages to help. Proxima Centauri 13:12, 2 February 2009 (EST)

User:THC LOADE has just turned up. For the reason given above I’m not dealing with this single handed. Proxima Centauri 14:06, 2 February 2009 (EST)


 * User hasn't done anything & is probably unlikely to.  14:09, 2 February 2009 (EST)
 * And you're coming to me why? 14:44, 2 February 2009 (EST)


 * This could prove interesting...[[Image:British coat of arms.png|25px]] Redcoat [[Image:British coat of arms.png|25px]] 15:00, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Why not stop edit warring?
I think I've made it very clear why I think Alison's decision to remove her full name from an archived talk page is reasonable. You've not made it clear at all why you're so keen to see another user's name abused in an "assrape" context. In fact you've done everything you can to deflect the discussion to other irrelevant issues & people, & make it as difficult as possible to resolve it. Just let the name be taken out: it makes no difference to anything, & it costs nothing to have some respect for other users & their real life privacy. 16:38, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think I slowed him down. --"CURtalk 16:39, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * What? 16:43, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * (EC)I have apologised for diverting the discussion yesterday, and would prefer if we could forget about it. You have still not told me why we should allow Alison's tampering with the archive. She has already given her name on WP, so the only issue is that it is an insult (and let's face it, FD was probably just trolling there), and I do not consider that to be enough reason to accede to here requests. I am at least backed up by site policy. 16:43, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * It was a threat. --"CURtalk 16:47, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Do you honestly think that it was a threat? It seems to be pathetic trolling to me. 16:51, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * In any case, he's probably laughing his head off at this childish edit war. Just leave it alone. Flip a coin. --"CURtalk 17:14, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * The site barely has policies. They're guidelines, not rules, & common sense exceptions apply to all of them.  The reason we have a strong guideline against changing other people's talk comments is obviously to avoid people altering them to look like other users have said things they haven't.  But we do often make minor changes to other people's comments, like signing for them if they've forgotten, sometimes indenting them, correcting links, typos, etc.  I see a small change like taking out a user's surname in the same category as those: it's not tampering, just a minor thing which doesn't change the tone or content of the comment; & most importantly it's done for reasons of personal privacy.  If I saw any user making that kind of change re their own name, I would respect it.  Whether Alison has released her surname at some time on WP is barely relevant; if she doesn't want it appearing on RW, & especially in this context, I say fair enough.  I don't really think it's a policy issue: just a courtesy to another user.  I retract the asshole comment, which I don't usually resort to, but I was pretty damn annoyed.  I really don't understand why, after hashing this out yesterday, you've chosen to undo everything again today.   17:15, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Because he's a moron, that's why. --"CURtalk 17:17, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Some people might think you a moron, CUR - would that entitle them to post up your personal details? no it wouldn't. So don't do it to him, whatever you think of him. OK? Totnesmartin 17:20, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * What? I was not going to post personal details. I was answering Weaseloid's question. I would never post anyone's personal details. --"CURtalk 17:23, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * (EC) In that case, it's kinda unclear who you're calling a moron. No, with sandwiches 17:27, 8 February 2009 (EST)

(EC) Having leapt (perhaps inadvisably) into this edit war, I feel bound to explain myself. The fact is, we have no cast iron rules about personal privacy other than those derived from courtesy and common sense, so if Alison doesn't want her name to appear here, why should it? No, with sandwiches 17:27, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Perhaps we should NOT reveal peoples names at all unless its OK with that person. Regardless of RW policy, it's the right thing to do. And shouldn't we be doing the right thing? Totnesmartin 17:40, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Unless they are not a user here and we have an article about them or they are fairly well known under their name. --"CURtalk 17:47, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * (EC) I'm not sure I agree with your addition, CUR. You're obviously thinking of Ken there, but he actually is a user here. I think the best thing to do would be to not reveal the name of anyone unless they reveal it themselves. (Don't expect many people would agree with that, tho.) No, with sandwiches 17:55, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * I was actually thinking of someone like TK. Or ASchlafly. --"CURtalk 17:58, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Aschlafly has released his name, though. Quite a few times, I believe. No, with sandwiches 18:01, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * And TK's name was in the LA Times article, I believe. Totnesmartin 18:03, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * So how do we know 🇰🇪's name? --"CURtalk 18:08, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * He answers to it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:13, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, if the real name is "out there" before we start on whoever it is. Ken seems to be the elephant in this thread's room. Totnesmartin 17:53, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * As I see it, the issue is that Alison has obviously objected to her full name appearing on a page here, whereas Ken hasn't, so the resolution doesn't have to involve Ken at all. I think that when somebody has an objection to their name or personal info appearing here, we should consider each case on its merits, & not have to cite precedents re other users who haven't objected.  OK, so TK also objected to his name appearing, but only did so in private correspondence, & hasn't appeared on RW to ask about it since.  If he does, maybe we should reconsider it.  Also, removing his name would have altered some article content, rather than just a talk page archive as in this case.   18:14, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * I was merely acting on the privacy policy in the community standards; I understand that there are common sense objections, but Weaseloid and later CUR seemed to be the only ones objecting, and I would have liked it if more had backed them up. It seems Weaseloid and CUR have the support of others in this, but I'd like clarity before conceding defeat. 11:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * I still think we were simply being trolled and abused by a couple of people chasing each other across the nets. AC only "joined" us in order to delete her last name, so obviously she is just googling her name (probably in contexts FD uses to insult her), and trying to whitewash it.  Buried in our archives is a pretty irrelevant place, and, ironically, the new user log and name change log both contain the nasty phrase she was trying to remove her last name from.  Further irony is that the editing (and warring over it) brought the "issue" - and her complete name - back to current events.  Something buried in an archive is pretty far from sight, but if that archive has a few edits to it that are recent, all highlighting her full name, I tend to think of that as "more visible". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:19, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * Human: Alison created her RW account on January 14, 2009.
 * She removed her real name from your talk page archive on February 7, 2009.
 * So, obviously, she created this account for the express purpose of removing her real name. Obviously. I mean, that's why she took it off SO GODDAMN QUICKLY AFTER SHE JOINED! I MEAN, 24 DAYS!!??!? MY GOD, THE WOMAN IS A SPEED DEMON!!!
 * And, if I may be a bastard for a moment, you accused Alison (as well as Fall down, but whatev) of "trolling and abuse". (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
 * So far, on RW, she has reverted a vandal, responded to some comments on her talk page, left a bizarre photo of a dead ferret or something on a Fall down sock page, fixed a typo, and changed one of your talk archives to remove her real name—a name she never released for use on RationalWiki.
 * And this is trolling and abuse.
 * And this accusation of trolling and abuse comes from a user who has called other editors (again, correct me if I'm wrong—I could be misremembering here) "cunt" and "twat". In a distinctly unfriendly context.
 * Okay. Glad we got our definition of abuse straightened out. As a relatively new editor, this whole incident has been very enlightening for me. The electrocutioner 20:50, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wow, way to read into a complex phrase. Until she removed her "real name" did we even know that was her?  I don't think I have ever called anyone on here a "cunt", and probably not a "twat" either.  I just don't tend to use those words, especially the first one, in that way.  If you don't think that FD was trolling and abusive you're gonna have to re-explain to me what they mean.  And, yes, I think that AC drifted into the troll zone by sparking a silly issue by digging into archives to find a name like hers in order to delete it.  As far as the time delay, she may have registered as soon as she found us, and then lurked for a bit before deleting her name?  And making a few normal wiki-edits is a trivial way to ingratiate oneself, especially for an highly experienced wiki-editor - if she is, indeed, the same person as the AC on WP.  <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:36, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wow. That comment was a lot nastier than I meant it to be. My migrane must have been bigger than I thought.
 * Nevertheless: (although I really can't say I blame you. Cussing out TK hardly counts as "abuse").
 * Also, see some of the comments you made about CUR on the Saloon Bar Archive #2 (I googled "twat site:http://rationalwiki.com", and it was the first result).
 * Look, I'm sorry. It wasn't fair of me to go after you instead of your argument (which I apparently misunderstood anyway); the fact that this sort of verbal abuse is tolerated on RW has always bothered me, and for whatever stupid reason I went off on that tangent instead of actually talking about the matter at hand.
 * The whole incident just...bothers me, is all. I don't like it when people judge other people. I know that's hypocritical and all, but when I saw you making what I thought was a judgement call about a person that neither you nor I really know anything about, it got to me. (Of course, it didn't really help that I responded with a post that looks an awful lot like me making a judgement call about you.)
 * More than that: it bothers me that we would, as a site, keep the real name of somebody on our archives under these circumstances. I know that taking the name down wouldn't really change anything. I know that you could still find the sock names in the user creation logs. It just...feels wrong, you know? It feels arbitrary and vindictive and pointless. I don't see why we can't honor the basic human dignity of one of our users and strike what is essentially online sexual harrassment from one of our records. I know that you and several other users don't feel that way, and I respect that, and I'm sorry I expressed my opinion in such an unproductive manner. But, I mean, the conversation we're talking about altering was about renaming Fall Down socks insulting this user. Why would we keep these archives but rename the socks? And would it hurt anybody if we altered them?
 * Shit. Now Google has "twat site:http://rationalwiki.com" in some server somewhere with my virtual name on it. That's kinda embarrassing. The electrocutioner 23:07, 12 February 2009 (EST)

You changed my siggy >_>
Why?
 * I said why on your talk page. 12:46, 9 February 2009 (EST)

Wikilinks on WIGO:CP
The reason I linked to a RationalWiki page via an "external" link in WIGO:CP is that wikilinks, for whatever reason, do not show up on the "Best of Conservapedia" page. 15:34, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * OK. 15:38, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Stupid unreliable router
I know the feeling... Totnesmartin 15:37, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * Indeed. 16:08, 12 February 2009 (EST)

?
Whats a 'Voodoo Trent' ? (Excuse my ignorance)-- 侍  18:00, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 * A "voodoo doll" (i.e. a miniature version) of his userpage. 02:58, 21 February 2009 (EST)

Rename request
Since I (we) have finished studying the jacobite rebellions, could you rename my account to Samurai (User:Samurai) -- 侍  06:35, 21 February 2009 (EST)
 * Done, though make sure you check your sig preferences. 06:37, 21 February 2009 (EST)
 * どうもありがとうございます！ -- 侍  06:39, 21 February 2009 (EST)

Turkey
Why not the Turkey?-- 侍  06:50, 21 February 2009 (EST)

Hammer
Much more of this and I'll have to rename you Phantom Hammer. Totnesmartin 13:25, 26 February 2009 (EST)

Whoa!
Did you seriously just 'crat CUR? Why? If you're handing out 'cratships, can I have one, too? User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 17:13, 1 March 2009 (EST)
 * No, he didn't. Well, he did, but only to see if I would de-'crat myself as promised. I did. Power corrupts, and I don't need the electricity now. --"C, U Rthe,. 17:28, 1 March 2009 (EST)
 * I wanted something entertaining to come home to on Monday. 09:59, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Nonsense. Power never corrupts. Just look at me User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 17:31, 1 March 2009 (EST)

I agree
No more getting into it. Once and a while, some topics are hard to drop. Glad others are better than I am about saying "whatever, let's go have ice cream". ;-) -- 16:26, 3 March 2009 (EST)

A request...
I previously posted this on User's Talk page, but you're the one who demoted me, so I feel I should ask here, too:

<i>I want to help out with the RW traffic, too.

I got involved with this site specifically to combat the stupid YECs, so how can I help generate traffic coming from sites like CSEblogs and raycomfortfood.blogspot (those are the Kent Hovind and Ray Comfort sites, respectively)? I looked up link farming, which means I would have to get RW's address onto those pages, which neither site will let me do. (I am fairly n00b @ teh intertubes.) So what can I do?

I would also like to target Janet Folger, creation.com, Ken Ham, Jonathan Safarti, Michael Behe, William Dembski, DI, AiG, et. al.

Anything I can do to bring people who would search for YEC here FIRST, so they can get informed. You know?</i>

I have limited time and ability, but I am a quick study and dedicated to the cause! The Foxhole Atheist 10:48, 6 March 2009 (EST)
 * Just don't. Link farming is, I suspect, frowned upon, as it is generally used to boost one's Google rankings fraudulently. Link to the articles if they are relevant, but don't spam. 12:18, 6 March 2009 (EST)


 * That's what I thought, after reading about the topic. Re-reading what I wrote, I suppose I wasn't clear. I want to LEGITIMATELY bring people here, and was wondering if there were any techniques to do so, aside from writing a quality article. The Foxhole Atheist 13:16, 6 March 2009 (EST)

Mei
Fall Down (talk · contribs)'s IP addresses added by Phantom Hoover at 02/10/09

Phantom Hoover (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked User:Mei with an expiry time of 314 seconds (account creation disabled): Tasteless trollbaiting)

Nice. User:Mei 04:16, 7 March 2009 (EST)
 * (a)Fall Down (with the capital D) is a sock of CUR
 * (b)It is not trollbaiting to vandal bin the IP of a binned user who is known for sockpuppeteering
 * (c)You were acting in express violation of the rules, which I was not. 04:19, 7 March 2009 (EST)
 * "Fall Down" = Whoops. Even so show me where the rules advise blocks for "trollbaiting" User:Mei 04:21, 7 March 2009 (EST)
 * You are a sysop, so it was a trivial block which I knew you would undo. I was merely voicing my disapproval. 04:25, 7 March 2009 (EST)
 * Right ok. That makes sense. User:Mei 04:28, 7 March 2009 (EST)

Fa** down
Please block all my imposters. I don't really care whose socks they are right now. Fall down 16:34, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Fall Down is already blocked. Permabanned. -- 16:36, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The fascist bureaucrats refuse to block people who don't like me. Fa11 down 16:38, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Persecution complex. All will be blocked. 16:41, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * They should be renamed instead of permabanned. We want to keep the block list short. Fall down can then reregister them. --  Nx / talk 16:43, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Confession: it was me. 16:44, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I will buy you alcoholic drinks. User:Mei 16:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I hate alcoholic drinks. 16:48, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Do you like orange juice. User:Mei 16:49, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

* toast with pineapple juice*To PH!*/toat with pineapple juice* -- 16:52, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Preferable to alcohol, but good grape juice is better. 16:53, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I will buy you that. User:Mei 16:55, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Even better, just send me the money. 16:58, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I'd like to point out that no one could conceivably mistake "Fa11 down" for "Fall down". That was kindof the point. User:Mei 16:44, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * (and therefor I oppose renaming Fa11 down) User:Mei 16:55, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So you admit "Fa11 down" is your sock (I knew it anyway). Fall down 17:17, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * See here, genius. Fa11 down 17:20, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I find it easier to just log out first. 15:10, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
 * How do you create an account? -- 15:14, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
 * While logged in? Go to Special:Userlogin while logged in, then click the "create new account" button, and run through the normal procedure. 15:19, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

this is a comment
I still think Lenski affair talk 2 is cool. It was cooler the first time though. Mei 18:02, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's cool because its the longest page on rationalwiki! Mei 18:13, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That is just annoying, not a comment. 18:18, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Oi who removed my proving a point bit? Mei 18:20, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Why did you transclude that page here? --  Nx / talk 18:21, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * To point out the huge glaring hole in the new "Talk page comments should not be removed, regardless of their stupidity" rule. Mei 18:23, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Common sense exceptions apply. --  Nx / talk 18:25, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC)I restored some idiotic comment that CUR added to Toast's talk page with the reason that talkpage comments should not be removed regardless of stupidity, and Mei, with standard adolescent puerility, transcluded the longest page here to annoy me and try to prove a point. 18:26, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The point is proved thanks. Mei 18:31, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

Danke
For the power of sysop. My hopes and dreams have now come true. --<font color="#2B547E">e|m|c <font color="#387C44"> [TALK] 17:55, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Freedom! Happyness! Joy!
Thank you for the adjustment to Two Pens. 16:19, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You're welcome. 17:03, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

wget on OS X
FYI, Google knows some places to download <tt>wget</tt> pre-compiled for Mac OS X. --Marty 00:57, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm not really that interested in getting a pile of Chick comics on my hard drive. 03:38, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Fireworks
It`s amazing how good they are at scaring off tresspassers!-- 忍者  <font color=#707070>N <font color=#808080> <font color=#858585>I <font color=#909090>N <font color=#A0A0A0>J <font color=#A5A5A5>A <font color=#B0B0B0>A <font color=#B5B5B5>A <font color=#C0C0C0>H <font color=#C5C5C5>! <font color=#D0D0D0>! <font color=#D5D5D5>! <font color=#E0E0E0>! <font color=#E5E5E5>! <font color=#F0F0F0> 03:18, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
 * ??? Oh, no, you didn't... Oh, and you missed the Great Block War. 13:01, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Har har, I hit another tresspasser, with a small smoke bomb!-- 忍者  <font color=#707070>N <font color=#808080> <font color=#858585>I <font color=#909090>N <font color=#A0A0A0>J <font color=#A5A5A5>A <font color=#B0B0B0>A <font color=#B5B5B5>A <font color=#C0C0C0>H <font color=#C5C5C5>! <font color=#D0D0D0>! <font color=#D5D5D5>! <font color=#E0E0E0>! <font color=#E5E5E5>! <font color=#F0F0F0> 16:40, 25 March 2009 (EDT)



N.B. the pack of rockets cost Y500, and the smoke bombs are Y250 for a pack of %! (This equates to a total cost of around 4 pounds (GBP)-- 忍者  <font color=#707070>N <font color=#808080> <font color=#858585>I <font color=#909090>N <font color=#A0A0A0>J <font color=#A5A5A5>A <font color=#B0B0B0>A <font color=#B5B5B5>A <font color=#C0C0C0>H <font color=#C5C5C5>! <font color=#D0D0D0>! <font color=#D5D5D5>! <font color=#E0E0E0>! <font color=#E5E5E5>! <font color=#F0F0F0> 16:48, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

`Crattin awayyyyy
Wheres the Cratship? (remember Fowler!!!!)-- 忍者  <font color=#707070>N <font color=#808080> <font color=#858585>I <font color=#909090>N <font color=#A0A0A0>J <font color=#A5A5A5>A <font color=#B0B0B0>A <font color=#B5B5B5>A <font color=#C0C0C0>H <font color=#C5C5C5>! <font color=#D0D0D0>! <font color=#D5D5D5>! <font color=#E0E0E0>! <font color=#E5E5E5>! <font color=#F0F0F0> 16:50, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
 * If you're going to pester me, use email. 11:34, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for helping me out
Cheers. Nutty Roux 13:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Answer
Ask and ye shall recieve. 14:33, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I have made an extension of my point on the talk page. 14:35, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I'm sure Java has something similar --  Nx / talk 14:49, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yet I see nothing obvious to add a file FILE.txt to one's hard drive that will work regardless of OS. 14:51, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * If you want to be able to select which drive, then that is unfortunately impossible to code platform-independently. But you can use the open/save file common dialogs. --  Nx / talk 14:56, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * I will have to ask my professor about writing files, at the current time we are working on reading HTML based files and we might work on modifying them. I will have to get back to you on this. 14:56, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Even reading; I could rewrite that program to merely display some file. Nx's response, however, confirms my point. 14:57, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * But what you are asking makes no sense. You can't have a cross platform switchtodrive("C:") function, because it makes no sense in anything that's not DOS or Windows. The only solution is to ask the user to handle that stuff, for which you have the common dialogs. --  Nx / talk 15:04, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * My point was that you cannot have a program that can read and write files on all OSs, because of the differences. 15:07, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes you can. --  Nx / talk 15:12, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * You can, but not to a precise file in a location without asking the user to do it. Look, can we just end this? 15:14, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Precise file locations are not cross platform. --  Nx / talk 15:18, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Which was my original point! 15:29, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * No, your original point was that Java sucks because it can't do it. --  Nx / talk 15:37, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Failed humour. 15:56, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

RationalWikiWikiWiki
Apologies for any offence, I as mostly having ago at the people who put post vandalism on WIGO CP and then act surprise when TK deletes and recreates the page like he was the one doing something wrong. - User   06:24, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Ahhhhhh. With you on that one. I'm sick of people acting as if CP sysops shouldn't remove vandalism. 12:56, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

"ConservapaediaUndergroundResistor."
Ban Happy? Fuck off. When's the last time I seriously banned someone? (besides CUR during his delete spree yesterday?). Look at the block log and see how many people I've un-banned in the past few months--including the likes of Fall down--when people banned them instead of binning them. More to the point, I distinctly recall that there was some sort of policy about not allowing parody accounts like the one in question. Maybe I'm mistaken about that, and I'm willing to admit to that--but still...fuck off with your misinformed characterization of me. TheoryOfPractice 12:13, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
 * So it turns out that, according to the community standards, ""Spoof" usernames (impersonating another user, usually) can be renamed unilaterally unless the spoofee expresses approval of the spoofer." So I was wrong to block it--I've re-named and un-binned it. TheoryOfPractice 12:23, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
 * By "ban happy", I meant giving out very long blocks for things not demanding of blocking. 15:00, 14 April 2009 (EDT)