User talk:HeartOfGold/Archive011

Are you back??
??- 01:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Am I welcome?  01:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Yes! I can restore your powaz if you don't abuse them. I'll be up for a while, so like Putin, I'm watching you!!!!!!111 Errr. Anyways, why the return?- 01:40, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I hope I didn't scare you away. You're always welcome back, but actually now I'm going to bed.  Can the sysop powaz wait 'til tomorrow?- 01:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Now hurry up and finish your essay on the Insidious Liberal Swarm-that thing was a laugh and a half! --Gulik 03:29, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Hey HG, you'll always be welcome on my talk page.  03:32, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Sysop vote
Hello HG. You've always been somewhat of a controversial character and I see that you've requested Sysop again. You will be aware that you are the only person here ever to be stripped of sysop powers for misuse. I personally feel that we should put your re-sysoping to the vote. I'd vote for a minimum three month probation period as a normal user and then review with the possibility of getting sysop if your edits and contributions to the site have been positive over that time.--Bobbing up 07:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Mmm. Same rule for Bohdan. Susan  purrrrr ...  07:33, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * What's the point in becoming a RW Sysop? I thought it was just for good souls who sacrifice their time to keep the wiki running and vandals away? Surely not the position of Power that a CP Sysop has. Editor at CP 07:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Indeed. For the record, I still favor mandatory weekly whippings of all sysops, just to emphasise who's where in the hierarchy here. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 07:45, 12 December 2007 (EST)


 * Please, please, please, please, can I do the whippping? Please, please, please, please. Susan  purrrrr ...  07:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Susan, you don't know in what dangerous company you are in this atheist, liberal, evil place. (Oooooh yes I do. Believe me, I do. Susan  purrrrr ... ) Be very careful what you hope for! Did you forget to read your daily Chick? Editor at CP 07:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I think it's rather the rest of us who are in dangerous company with Susan... but nevertheless, of course you can, ma'am. -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 08:00, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I think Editor's right, being a sysop isn't all that prestigious; what makes it prestigious at CP is the real antagonism between sysops and the user base, which we don't really have here. I will say, though, that being a bureaucrat is pretty fun... renaming neonazi accounts to things like RosaParksFan always gives me a chuckle.-11:04, 12 December 2007 (EST) &mdash; Unsigned, by: AmesG / talk / contribs


 * From my talk page, HG sayeth: "Give me my sysop powers back and I will come make life more interesting at RW"


 * And I replied something like: Apparently, the mob wants to "vote" on it. My personal feeling (if I felt free to act on my own & ignore the mob) would be to say, "how about making life more interesting for a week or two first?"  Someone suggested a 3 month probation abovee, which I think is absurd for a 6 month old wiki, but what I usually do is if I see a new, busy editor who seems to have the site's goals in their sights, I figure they might as well be a sysop so they can block vandals as well.  And that usually only takes a week or two.  I don't actually see the sequitur in your request - what do you need to be a sysop for to make "life more interesting"?  And, I suppose I'm curious, why is having "sysop powers" so important that it's the first item on your to-do list upon returning? human  14:34, 12 December 2007 (EST)


 * I nominate myself instead of HoG. --Edgerunner  76 14:37, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Thought you already were Edge! Susan  purrrrr ...  14:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I've got no problem with Edge for sysop. Often here, posts, edits, does things to improve the site, great candidate. Agreement?--Bobbing up 14:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks for the vote. As AmesG said, it's not that big of a deal.  I'm mostly interested in it because I've felt somewhat helpless stopping wandals.  --Edgerunner  76 14:59, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I would agree for Edge as well. --TimS 15:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * HoG, I have to point this out, you made an ass of yourself on Panda's Thumb over the NOVA show. I hope you know that there are many of us scientific types who often visit and contribute to Panda's Thumb.--TimS 15:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Panda's thumb is a blog run by wikipedians to get their POV included as coming from a "reliable source". It doesn't fool anybody me.  (It probably does fool a lot of others, though...the NCSE and their toadies are clever).   23:26, 12 December 2007 (EST)

From what I gather by skimming around: HoG used to be a sysop and was removed from misuse or something, wandalism with POV to Global Warming, then suddenly comes back with a somewhat "gimme my sysop status back" attitude. I'd rather see the answer to hewman's question first before rolling the dice, if at all. I also support the one who runs with edges.  Norseman Wassail!   15:06, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Don't we have enough sysops as it is? -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:09, 12 December 2007 (EST)


 * Oh, no. I'm in favour of everyone who edits who isn't a neo nazi or TK being a sysop. Can't be having with a society where some are more equal than others. -- 19:26, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I'm not TK or a neonazi. Lurker 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Eh, for balance you could make HoG a sysop and then myself or Lurker there. (Yes, he's argumentative, but seems decent enough.) Researcher 23:23, 12 December 2007 (EST) Oh, and for the record, I like that policy, which is the only reason I'm willing to give up and take responsibilities.  Researcher 23:37, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Am not! Heh. Lurker 23:30, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I'd cast my vote in favor of HoG. I mean, it's a wiki. It'd take a total of like five minutes to fix everything if he started screwing around.--  Off  eep   23:31, 12 December 2007 (EST)

come comment
On AmesG's talk page. There is discussion about your powers being given back. Bohdan 23:16, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Thanks, I just noticed. I was trying to find the links he was looking for.   23:17, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Can we put the discussion on your talk page? And, I hesitate to make user rights decisions without consulting the mob. Insofar as I suggested I'd act otherwise, I was wrong, and I was tired.- 23:21, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Ames, I am a member of the mob. You can consult me.  HG is also a member of this mob.  Consult us. Or do some mob members have more authority than others?  Bohdan 23:23, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Hee hee I'm a member of the mob, too! Lurker 23:26, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I think you 3 have been consulted... but there's also a shitton of opposition above.- 23:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Look at the excitement....

 * To answer your (amesg's) question, this and other very short blocks were the reason why I was demoted (promoted)--"(Abuse of powers)". I have apologized to Bob M., and agree to not block anybody with whom I am in an active content dispute.  Check out Tower of Babel history on or about July 21.   23:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks. I think the problem is we need to have some guidelines for sysoppery/bureaucratishness. The reasons so far have been just "we need someone" + "you seem alright," which has worked so far. I'm not willing to lay down those guidelines just yet. Suggestions for criteria would be great. One criteria to probably be excluded, I think, would be alignment with political views. However, I think we should keep in mind that our egalitarianism is not a suicide pact. We don't need to exalt fairness over the mission. To the extent that we could someday risk doing that, I'd like that to be considered.- 23:31, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * That seems like a pretty dirty reason to de-sysop someone. Come on Ames, take the initiative.  Give him the powers and lets see how it turns out.  Surely you're not worried about being recalled yourself? Bohdan 23:32, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Look above at how many users are in favor! Give him the powers now! Bohdan 23:33, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I must also say that I was not blocking this person to abuse powers, or because he disagreed with me. And it was for such a short time, and I did think he was a sysop, who could have unblocked himself.   23:35, 12 December 2007 (EST)


 * I'd do it if I saw him making the site better for a week or two, and also saw him struggle with vandalism (our primary reason for demotion). As far as just "giving it to him"?  HOG is a stranger to this site, at best, "born" yesterday.  At worst - a dominionist.  A theocratist.  And a bit of a troll.  Just my humble observations and opinion.  Dude, show us your chops.  If the past counts, you lose.  If it doesn't, you're a one-day noob, and you want to be a sysop?  Get a clue, please. PS, I got EC'd.  You took several fucking MONTHS to actually aoplogize for the "mistaken" block. human  23:37, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Did you want me to turn in to a libtard or something? Not going to happen.   23:40, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Can we say that another fair, content-neutral criterion would be consistent improvement of the site?- 23:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Okay, so user:Human a single mob member opposes. Bohdan 23:39, 12 December 2007 (EST)

A single opposition member... at midnight on a Wednesday.- 23:40, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Thats... so... profound. Bohdan 23:44, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * "Libtard" is kinda uncool....- 23:41, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I agree that libtard is kinda uncool....that's why it's not going to happen.  23:43, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * "another fair, content-neutral criterion" - this site is not content-neutral. We have a POV. human  23:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * "libtard". End of story.  You fail.  In 26 hours, you have managed to start throwing smelly turkey guts around. human  23:45, 12 December 2007 (EST)

But I think it might be a good idea to have content-neutral rules for sysoppery. Surely our main space is viewpointed, and so're WIGO and According To, but essay namespace, etc., aren't, and we ought to pride ourselves on treating users neutrally. That said, I think we have enough neutral reasons to at least postpone an HG sysop decision.- 23:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * This isn't fair. You guys frequently insult conservatives.  Why is he not allowed to use "libtard"? Bohdan 23:49, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I think context matters. I would not call conservatives a nasty name in a discussion in which you were involved, Bohdan.- 23:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Libtard sounds like a term of endearment to me. Bohdan 23:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * "Bohdan" is a term of endearment to me.- 23:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I like the "ames" but not the "g". Bohdan 23:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * I got EC'd to death and lost what I typed here. Basically, it said, HOG, you are a loser (and nothing better than a wikilawyer and insult merchant).  Based on above evidence. human  23:56, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I don't think "loser" bites a ban, btw :-)- 23:57, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Eh, s'ok if it does, I gotta go eat. I'll desysop HOG when I'm done stuffing my fine self. human  00:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Human's double standard
For the record, I was just blocked by human for using the word "libtard", as in "if you think I am going to turn into a libtard, it is not going to happen." Wow. (And I was desysopped by human for blocking somebody (Bob K) for a minute for calling me a troll). 23:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Where do we sanction ad hominems in general? And I think libtard is slightly more offensive than "troll."- 23:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Offesniveness is in the eye of the target (and in *both* cases, I was the target).  23:56, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * For 3 minutes. Check what I do next, if you can keep up. human  23:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * What, are you going to desysop yourself?  23:56, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * BTW, if someone shows me a person who uses the word "retard" or "gay" as an insult, whoever they are, I'll block them. It's not that unique, HG.- 23:57, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * User:Eira . Lurker 00:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * In the meantime, HOG, you have done nothing for the site but argue that you should have blocking/deleting buttons? Nothing.  Nothing. human  23:58, 12 December 2007 (EST)
 * Now or never? 00:01, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * By the way, for clarity, Heart of lead supports the Constitution Party platform. Check it out. human  00:00, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * What are you, RobS?  00:01, 13 December 2007 (EST)

btw, for Bohdan's sake, kitty and I are having a lovely cuddle session while we wikilawyer & real-life lawyer (study).- 00:02, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * No, just quoting you. Is that difficult to understand? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  00:03, 13 December 2007 (EST)

AmesG, What about HRT? 00:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * HRT? Bohdan 00:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah, fill me in.- 00:06, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * I plead the fifth.  00:07, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Uh...- 00:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * Seven. Bohdan 00:11, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Thank you to whomever restored my powers
Thanks. 00:11, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * Congratulations. Bohdan 00:12, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I think we've set a baaaaaaaaad precedent here today. But since the deed is done, please justify it having been done by being a productive, non-"insultive" contributor..- 00:13, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * What precedent is that Ames? That I get what I want? :) Bohdan 00:14, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Squeaky wheel gets the and so on.- 00:14, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * No precedent. Check your buttons... And you were welcome. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  00:15, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * Looks like human took it away. You can jail the revolutionary, but you cannot jail the revolution... or whatever. Bohdan 00:16, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * Ah, that was lame. Back to one of my wikipedia socks using one of my private proxies (they block the public proxies now).  See yah.   00:19, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * I guess thats my cue to leave for now also. Come back again HG. Bohdan 00:22, 13 December 2007 (EST)
 * HG, you're always welcome to contribute productively :-/. Bohdan you're always welcome for lulz and keeping us on our toes, and for productivity :-/ - 00:24, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Human's dancing at a funeral
User is not retired, simply went away for... how long? Because we wouldn't make him a sysop. I did! I did make him one!!! For about ten minutes. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  00:35, 13 December 2007 (EST)

were discussing things here at least let convos die out before ing, k a community page, not


 * Or maybe.