User talk:Nx/Archive4

Phoenixwiki: thanks!
Thanks for getting things up so efficiently, to you and your bots. Sterile 00:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. -- Nx  / talk 00:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done TMT for getting us back on line and:
 * Altogether now: Three cheers for Nx:
 *  Hip! Hip! Hoorah! Hoorah! Hoorah!
 * 00:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Hobbits Talkpages
Thanks for importing everything back into RationalWiki, you've done a terrific job - I'm asuming each user is bringing their own talk page over as I just have? 10:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you wanted to move your talk page here, you should've put it into the export category. I can import your talkpage if you want. -- Nx  / talk 10:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot to do that. No thanks, I've just cut and pasted it from TP and threw it in an old archive. Cheers. 12:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:WP:POINT
I have no opinion on the arrows.......but losing all your work because of a conflict with one editor seems unduly harsh..... tmtoulouse 07:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It can be reinstated once it is properly discussed and approved by User:Human the mob. -- Nx  / talk 07:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the most perplexing and ultimately crippling setback John McCain suffered during his 2008 run for president was the “Seven Missing Years” Scandal, a fiasco involving Paul McCartney, Richard Nixon, and the fate of an entire nation. State of North Dakota v Mimsy Butterpie the Unicorn, December 30 1939, The Right Honorable Judge Daniel Mooncake Presiding. 07:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am sympathetic, really, and you know your work is greatly appreciated here. I think there is a difficult balance to be struck between implementing good changes quickly and efficiently, while respecting the inherent idea that the site belongs to the users. I think you do a good job of walking that line for the most part, and the changes you just reverted were good changes. Major aesthetic changes to the "poster child" type things we have here (a la WIGO) probably should have a note thrown up first. But not every change can be discussed or it won't happen. tmtoulouse 07:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well put, Trent! Please, remember, errare humanum est.... 08:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Trent's right. Please don't take my minor critique over the arrows as a valid reason to undo your good work.  "Look and feel" issues are a bigger deal to most of us than "back end" functionality, so they result in more strident whinging.  04:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Cats
Any idea what is going on here? 05:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. How did that happen and how did you delete it? 05:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Our url redirection can't handle ampersands. You have to use index.php?title=, for example: http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Stuff_too_hard_for_Ed_Poor%26action%3Dedit%26redlink%3D1&action=edit&redlink=1 -- Nx  / talk 05:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. I tried taking on ?action=delete but it just deleted the proper category. 05:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

New vote buttons
I like the new vote buttons, very stylish. Is it possible to reduce the cell padding between them though? Due to their smaller size I think they would look better closer together. 01:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There were nbsps between them. I've removed them. -- Nx  / talk 05:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's nice, all close and snug now. 05:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not very good for usability though, now there's no buffer between the buttons, so it's one big clickzone with three different functions -- Nx  / talk 05:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, seems to have only effected WIGO CP. 05:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Purge. -- Nx  / talk 05:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 05:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you ever stop to ask the mob before you changed our arrows? Just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should". I vote to return to the simple gifs, the new buttons look ugly and parse poorly to my eye.  06:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I like them. They're still clear and look pretty good. They show up on WIGO:WORLD fine. 09:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I know you are still around, I have seen you editing. Three things; what has happened to the neutral vote, is it still possible to change the default arrow image, and also still possible to personally customise them? 02:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's gone, because that too was added without discussion. You can replace images with javascript. You can't change an image with css. -- Nx  / talk 04:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You haven't removed mulitpoll because it was added without discussion have you? I was kind of planning on using that. So I take it I can't change the arrows back in MediaWiki any more then? I'll just have to edit war with Phantom over the add section button then. 04:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Multipoll was added at the request of Genghis. It also doesn't affect wigo. You can change the arrows by editing the system messages, but that will affect everyone. -- Nx  / talk 04:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't do a css thing like I can to customise the multipoll? 04:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because the code is . Css can't change that. -- Nx  / talk 04:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, any chance we can have the neutral vote back? 04:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * After it is discussed and approved by the mob. -- Nx  / talk 04:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Given the long list of things "the mob" have to discuss on the chalkboard now that could take a while. What was the result of the NoFollow debate? I was going to remove that, but I can't remember if it had an outcome. 04:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can we have to cool buttons and the neutral vote back now? 11:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see any discussion about the neutral vote and no approval for either. -- Nx  / talk 11:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

captcha bought too
Our conversation led me to nosing around ur sauce...

in your unescape function is:

Shouldn't that be switched? &mdash; Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 17:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, thanks. -- Nx  / talk 17:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * heh... I had to ask because I thought you could be doing something more clever than I am. &mdash; Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 17:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure that code is correct. What I'm trying to do is encode the strings before writing them out to the file, because it's supposed to be 'image name' : 'url' and of course neither can contain apostrophes, so I string-escape them. But I have to unescape it first, because the double escaping screws up things... so as long as it works it's not a problem. -- Nx  / talk 17:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

thanking
I have thanked trent and now I wish to thank you for all your good work around here. So thanks buddy! Ace McWickedModel 500 21:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My pleasure -- Nx  / talk 21:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for staying up late and getting all that teflon stuff over so quickly! 00:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Little tab on the right
Why does a little blue tab appear on the right of WIGO CP talk inviting me to comment to Nx? (not always but now & again.) 09:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've got one on this page as well. 11:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know, probably your browser acting up. The html code for that tab is fully on this talk page. -- Nx  / talk 04:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What's funny, is it's a nice exploit, but the site is already set up to show an "add new section" link at the bottom of every (talk?) page. 04:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see it as well. I must say I rather like it.--BobNot Jim 09:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Pywikipediabot
Where, if anywhere, did you find documentation for Pywikipediabot? I have found next to none. 22:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * RationalWiki:Bots -- Nx  / talk 22:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't found any documentation for making your own bots there; only links to other people's. On an aside, if my sig is that bad for the server I'll change it. 07:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a few useful links in that section, that's why I posted it. Those are the resources I used to learn pywikipediabot. There's also a wiki about it. As for the sig, yours is not any worse than any other template sig. -- Nx  / talk 07:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Should I make my sig substitute the text, or does it not matter? I didn't do it at first so that I could change the text if necessary. 08:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You could do that since it's short, but there's the issue of people not being able to read the text... -- Nx  / talk 08:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * (EC)Let us not become wikipedia and ban templates from sigs. Hell, half of the fun of this site, nay, 90% of the fun, is/are the sigs!  08:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was not suggesting that. -- Nx  / talk 08:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Did we make peace yet?
Or do you need further, more specific apologies? I'm serious. I don't want to make your experience here unpleasant in any way, but sometimes I get cranky about implementation vs. discussion, and put my case poorly. Back to the first sentence, if there are any ongoing shitspites, I really want to resolve them, so you can keep doing the good work you do here while I keep piling on the crap I do here. 08:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, further apologies are not needed. -- Nx  / talk 08:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll try to be more thoughtful in future.  09:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Missing stuff
I know you removed stuff because it was not approved by "the mob", but it is kind of annoying walking around trying to use things that are no longer there. Can you please put stuff back? If "the mob" complains, I will explain the variety of options they have available when the go fuck themselves. 13:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks that was one of the things I was looking for. 13:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually that is because I named it File:Image-... And it converted it to File:File-Image... 15:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There's apparently a bug in that if you delete an image redirect, it won't be properly deleted. You have to replace it with something else first. -- Nx  / talk 15:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay I'll remember that. 15:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Widget
Last nigh at about 3 am it suddenly occurred to me that a cron job and inline perl was an incredibly silly way to go about implementing the widget. As such I rewrote it in php, its now at /widget/up.php. tmtoulouse 15:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * :D -- Nx  / talk 15:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Wherein we learn the CPU is a precious resource
If I might venture a suggestion, if you're polling the server every 30 seconds for updated status info, it is more or less impossible that you're going to miss a server reboot between calls. This suggests a rather trivial optimisation whereby you read the last reboot time stamp from the server once and update it on the client side. This means you only have to read the load averages on the server side, and cuts down on CPU usage and network bandwidth. -- 19:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm not that interested in uptime anyway, so I made this to only show the load. -- Nx  / talk 20:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * One advantage of the perl method though was that it was cached between cron runs while the php executes uptime every time your refresh the page. -- Nx  / talk 20:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You say "running uptime" which scares me. Uptime reads from /proc/uptime and does some formatting, so you're talking about one syscall requiring a context switch. Running uptime the executable requires a whole fork and exec sequence, which is crazy talk. Doing that every 30 seconds is all sorts of insanity. -- 20:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what up.php does. What happens when I leave an ssh window with top running? -- Nx  / talk 20:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you post the source so I could have apoplexia please? :D Top probably repeatedly calls sysinfo, at least on linux. -- 20:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

(undent) Here's up.php, Trent's original code, I just removed the uptime parts for load.php:

-- Nx  / talk 20:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Would it be better to read /proc/loadavg? -- Nx  / talk 20:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, most definitely. You know the reason people don't use traditional CGI these days is because the exec overhead for the interpreter is killer, right? This is kind of like that, only not quite so bad since uptime is at least fairly trivial and doesn't link to the world and its dog. I think you mean fopen("/proc/uptime", "r"); and/or /proc/loadvg -- 20:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, regular expresions? For separating the 3 handily comma separated fields that uptime prints out? Were you tripping when you wrote that? As the wise man sayeth: Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems. -- 20:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am the author not Nx, remember I am a psychologist by trade and training....tmtoulouse 20:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I admit to the overreliance on regular expressions though. -- Nx  / talk 20:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a php function to return the load average too: sys_getloadavg. -- Nx  / talk 20:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

A demand
As the due to my recent conversion to Cubism, I realise I am being tainted by the EVIL EDUCATED by having user rights, which are a Stupid Evil. As Second Wisest Human I demand you find away to mark my edits as patrolled automatically so "BULSHIT" red marks don't upset the Evil ONEism. 00:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Bots have autopatrol, but you don't want that (I think). -- 01:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No evil stupid bastard. What I want is:


 * Otherwise you will incur Easter Island Ending. 01:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Where should I put this? And don't you want block? -- 01:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It has to go on the server. EXISTS BETWEEN A TOP AND BOTTOM, BETWEEN A FRONT AND BACK, BETWEEN OPPOSITE SIDES, AND INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. 01:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, what? why do you need this? -- Nx  / talk 07:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because I don't want to be a sysop any more, although people keep making me one. I just want an extension on the basic editing rights so I can keep doing what I do unhindered. Also could you promote me Ace demoted me again? 08:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. 09:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Troll bin
What are your thoughts on my troll bin idea from here? 17:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by little less restrictive? Shorter time? -- Nx  / talk 17:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say make it name value pairs limiting interactions between users. Say, MC can only post on TE's page once a day/week/never (and vice versa). &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 17:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, shorter time. Vandal is once per 30 minutes, right?  Troll could be once per 5 or 10 minutes.  Thoughts?  17:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Its a bad precedent. Before you know it little fascists like Theemperor and Edgerunner will be using it on just about anyone they don't like. Innocuous little suggestions is how tyranny evolves. Remember that. It mightn't be much of a deal now but before you know the uppity little shites who cling on to a sense of importance around here will utilise it to feed their own pathetic internet ego's. Don't go down this path. MarcusCicero 17:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You could always add an option to the standard vandal bin to alter the time allowed between edits. 17:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that might be a good idea. But. Can't you solve this problem without hacks to the vandal bin? -- Nx  / talk 17:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's been floating around in my head for ages. This just reminded me of it. 17:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Godwin's law, Marcus. You said "fascists", therefore, you have lost. Keep the vandal bin. 17:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a silly idea that does nothing to fix the problem. Topic ban MC from TE and ER's user pages and call it done. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 17:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If nothing else, unbinning MC has shown us again that there is a problem that needs some sort of solution. 17:53, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The solution is Don't feed the Troll. This does not need a technical solution but a social one. The more you interact with him the happier he is.--BobNot Jim 18:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If TE and/or ER are incapable of ignoring/allowing, a perhaps a technical solution is needed. Are topic bans possible here? That'd be a viciously quick way to make TE happy, for instance. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 18:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

IF we are to have a technical solution to a social problem, selective locking of talk pages seems the way to go--I would have loved to allow anyone but FD to post on my talk page. I choose not to take calls based on the number that shows up on caller ID, after all...TheoryOfPractice 18:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, on the internet, it's easy to get a new ID. -- Nx  / talk 18:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * TO EDGERUNNER - Go fuck off you little geek. It was an honest mistake. I can't be expected to know all the subtleties of Star Wars geekophilia. MarcusCicero 20:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't feed the Troll--BobNot Jim 20:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't feed the Troll. I think poor Bob suffers from delirium. MarcusCicero 20:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't feed the Troll--BobNot Jim 20:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't feed the Troll MarcusCicero 20:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not on my talk page please. -- Nx  / talk 21:03, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

balloons.svg
It's ugly and why are you running a bot to replace it the .jpg? Yes, I know, it's a wiki, and things can be undone. But you never ask before you leap... 07:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The jpeg is copyrighted. I replaced it with a public domain image. -- Nx  / talk 07:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well? Do I have your permission to continue? -- Nx  / talk 07:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are doing what is right, go nuts. 08:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Nx, the image is a violation of Visual Paradox's copyright conditions and certain members removed the "watermark" in a very Ken-like way. 08:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it was a RWian who removed the logo; it might have been found somewhere other that Visual Paradox with the watermark already removed. 09:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait. It was one of us. 09:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * See File:Balloons2.jpg and File:Ballons01.jpg for the culprits. 09:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just got back from reading http://visualparadox.com/copyright.htm, oopsie. And twas I who "cropped" it way back when. Is there anyway to get the svg to look a little "smoother"?  And can the bot replace all the versions?  Sorry about that, not sure why I didn't realize it was copyrighted in the first place.  20:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The bot will replace all occurrences of all three files (using the what links here feature), and it will be supervised, i.e. it will show me a diff and ask me before each edit. I've uploaded a new svg. I just deleted a few objects from it. -- Nx  / talk 20:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The new svg looks a lot better, thanks! 21:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Human, you may have been misled by the page title - Free wallpaper (or something like that).
 * Yeah, perhaps, but there is a link that's easy to click to their copyright policy. Anyway, things are all better now, and thanks for assuming I made a mostly harmless mistake.  00:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

WIGO
I have no idea what happened there, thanks for fixing. 14:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Probably a hiccup in your internet connection. -- Nx  / talk 14:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Bot server
Hi Nx, is the bot server alright? Capturebot has not been taking pictures over at WIGO CP and we have not had a Pibot run for two days now. Is there anything that needs fixing? 13:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No. I'm running capturebot2 on my computer now. Is it not working? -- Nx  / talk 13:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We have got at least one red link. Should I go back to running Pibot myself as the server has been off-line twice now at the time Pibot is suppose to run? 13:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, my mistake. Fixed now. As for Pibot, run it manually until we get the botserver back. -- Nx  / talk 13:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about exploding your bot. 13:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. -- Nx  / talk 14:00, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

& nbsp;
Why am I seeing & nbsp; everywhere on page diffs? See this example. 23:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Samurai needs to delete "SUBST:" from their prefs sig box. The entire sig is being copied over, and contains a bunch of non-breaking spaces.  00:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I see them on pages where Samurai has not even edited. 06:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll see it in this edit too because my sig also contains nbsps. The diff is supposed to show these because it shows the source. --  Nx  / talk 08:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm stupid. I can see what you mean -- Nx  / talk 20:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a bug in wikEd, reported here. I'm too lazy to copy it over and fix it, especially since rationalwiki is timing out on me since today's downtime -- Nx  / talk 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The bug has been fixed, shift-reload this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript -- Nx  / talk 14:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

You disagree?
This isn't wikipedia my friend. If you disagree with what I typed you only had to ask. But you have to admit the rules aren't obeyed, and if they aren't obeyed they should be treated as they laughing stock they are. Your attempt to enforce them is admirable, but please don't be an ultra policeman on me now. I've made it very clear I don't want that shite on my userpage, all I ask is that my wishes be respected. '''Theemperor gets away with it CONSTANTLY. Don't be such a HYPOCRITE.''' Lunacy 10:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Archive it if it bothers you so much. -- Nx  / talk 10:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also it's not on your userpage. It's on your talk page. Big difference. -- Nx  / talk 10:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Once again, its the HYPOCRISY which bothers me. The comments themselves are just the sewage coming from a childs mouth, I'm indifferent to that. If you can enforce the rules fairly and evenly, I will obey them fairly and evenly. Since you cannot, it only makes sense to conclude that this is a persecution and that you have just decided to don a policemans cap for the day and declare youself king of the wiki. Lunacy 10:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sewage coming from a child's mouth? First of all, you don't have the right to decide which comments are immature and should be removed from talk pages. Second, how was that comment you removed from your talk page immature? Third, look in the mirror sometime:   I'm not surprised noone sprang to your defense after Theemperor removed those. --  Nx  / talk 11:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't give a shit if no-one sprang to my defense. It'd be a cold dark day in hell when I'd want an adolescent porn addict to back me up in an internet fight. Lunacy 12:33, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Userpage or talk page, it makes no difference to me. Lunacy 10:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)