Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive38

Fight of the Century: TK vs PJR
What fun. PJR has opened a Pandora's Box in challenging the mighty TK by insisting that his parole is still on. Is CP a Banana Republic or a Great American Encyclopedia? Don't miss next week's exciting episode!  Rational Ed 5 or 6 edits 13:19, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I like how on talk pages (Dawkins eg) TK still acts and writes as if he is a sysop. And wikilawyering PJR is not gonna go well for him - if an issue does not involve YEC, PJR is one hell of a "formidable opponent". human  14:04, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "more befitting a Banana Republic than a great American Encyclopedia that extols the virtues of American values. --₮K/"

OK, seriously - is TK back working undercover for RW? This b.s. is a bit strong even for him. Maybe he's just a free agent trying to take down whoever he can. 204.187.154.49 14:10, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * TK was never working for anybody but TK in the first place, although this is a little more blatant than he usually is...in public. Compared to his emails and private IMs, this is actually very tame. --Kels 14:21, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I suspect it's all a game for him.  Rational Ed faith 14:22, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * TK equals Griefer. WoW players would have figured him out in five minutes


 * I think TK aimed high... and potentially miscalculated things. He seems to rely on the sysops backing him (Ed and Geo especially), and for the most part, it worked. But he drastically lost momentum when he hit PJR, mostly because PJR switched into his Zen-like discussion state, calmly avoiding bait, not getting aggravated, and claiming points even while seemingly giving in to demands. Best example would be the parole case. It ended with PJR removing the message completely... while at the same time making a public point about TK's parole not being lifted.
 * Of course, this is just the public layer. It's possible (and likely) that TK is working behind the scenes. We'll see how this goes. The game's far from over, and TK isn't out by a long shot. --Sid 15:53, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Recalling what I can of previous sources, TK (aside from bullying) was trying to push out the YEC crowd out - in particular Kenny. PJR is the most active of the YEC crowd (TerryH only pops up to copy stuff from CreationWiki). In removing the YEC sysadmins out, it really would just be Andy and the rest posting anti-liberal tirades with occasionally forays into global warming, feminism, and home schooling. One big thing standing in the way of TK becoming a sysop is that bureaucrats are still firmly controlled by Andy (the 'Admin' account, Andy, and SharonS). Any bets as to if TK will start schmoozing up to Sharon's topics? The short of it, I don't think that TK will become a sysop until andy can forget getting knifed in the back. Without much else to do, I think that Andy is the type to hold a grudge for awhile. --Shagie 16:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't put TK as having much of a chance of regaining his powerz. But I do think he could succeed at forcing PJR out, or at least out to CreationWiki.  As we all know too well, he has a tendency to repulse even passive observers.- 16:25, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, given that TK has one hand up Ed and another up Geo, and I don't want to know what he's sticking up Joaquín, he's fairly much got sysop powers until Andy actually comes in and establishes himself as the dictator of CP with another semester's worth of home schoolers and kicks out the bullies that are making him look worse. I do suspect that between the three of them, they will push out PJR and any remaining ties CPAdmin has.  Andy is doing a good job at distancing HelpJazz by himself.  Ken will continue to fondle the homosexuality and intelligent design articles and say things about google and links while ignoring the rest of the site.  Here's a bet - by July 4, active CP sysops will be down to Geo, Ed, Joaquin, Cronkite, assorted home schoolers and members of family. --Shagie 19:46, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

If things go bad for TK over there we could have trouble too. Just think! We need to keep a look out for an invasion of alien sock puppets of TK. He takes risks over getting himself blocked because he's a computer expert and knows how to evade a block. If we find TK sock puppets we should extend his block. That's the usual punishment for users who evade a block and get caught.Barbara Shack 04:04, 6 April 2008 (EDT)


 * One hand up Ed? Looks to me like he's got the whole arm! --Kels 07:18, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

The mans a Machiavellian genius. I know for a fact that he is a Democrat (and Liberal) and that in real life he leads a pretty mundane and boring profession. He loves the thrill of stirring shit online, and the amazing thing is that the sysops on CP are either with him or indifferent. Its obvious to anyone who has studied TK that he has been talking to Geo.prd too much on IM, and has convinced him to let him come back and act as his sidekick. I mean, I barely knew about him until he brought TK back. Its all a conspiracy if you ask me. MarcusCicero 06:41, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

I say we give them all the weapons of gun they love so much and let them blow each other to bits. DogP  11:57, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * TK fires a salvo at PJR with:

Some, mostly from other countries, while they might be Christians, certainly are not United States conservatives, and even they seek to impose their unique, anti (or contrary to)-U.S. point of view on CP, trying, bit by bit, to remove anything they consider "U.S.-centric". They are among those, like the liberals, who seek to fundamentally change the founding precepts of Conservapedia, and turn it towards the so-called "world view".
 * I await the return fire. --Shagie 19:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedian Allegories/Analogies/Metaphors
Occasionally on this page there are attempts to explain CP via the use of allegories or analogies or metaphors or whatever you want to call it. CP is LotR, with Andy as Sauron and Conservative as Gollum, or CP is Star Wars with PJR as C3PO and TK as Dark Maul, and so on. It occurs to me that a better allegory would be one they could identify with, one that would have meaning and weight. Namely, Bible verses.

TK is easy--he's no doubt a Matthew 10:34 kind of guy.

Conservative would, at first blush, seem just as easy--the standard Leviticus 20:13--but I think Isaiah 1:10 is a better fit; it's got that anti-homo feel, but with a dose of bluster and arrogance.

There's a lot of stuff that might work for Ed. It should be something a bit peculiar, and with a strong whiff of misogyny. Off the top of my head I'd say Deuteronomy 25:11-12, but I'll keep looking for something better (plus it's actually two verses, which is kind of cheating).

PJR took a little time. He seems generally to be a decent, even classy, guy with a decided blind spot when it comes to the whole YEC/Bible innerrancy thing. I looked for something from Genesis at first, but I kept being drawn back to the language and style of Psalms and Proverbs. Finally, I found what may be just the right one: Psalm 19:1

For Rob, right now, I'd go with Proverbs 6:9.

Karajou has all the qualities that made Peter such a schmuck: Mindless sycophant, belligerent interloper, always ready to misunderstand someone to the(ir) death. Supremely aware of his role in the foundation of this great enterprise. Also: Peter made his living on a boat and was illiterate for the most part.

And Andy? He's so smug and self-righteous and looney and queer and evil, it's difficult to nail down just the right verse, but I think I may have uncovered a good candidate:  2 Kings 2:24.

Feel free to expand/debate this list as necessary.

Oh, and a bit of a P.S.: If RW wants its own Bible verse motto, I'd suggest Psalm 18:37.--WJThomas 13:51, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Wow! Colour me impressed. Nice bit of research done there and good lulz too. Thanks! Psygremlin 14:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * * doffs cap* It's a damn shame their user pages are protected... ;) --Robledo 15:14, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Bible verses? Nah, I've already got the perfect allegory, and one they can well relate to, on my userpage. DickTurpis 17:30, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

So would Pslam 14:1 be the verse to best capture the essence of RW? ;-) Learn Together 01:43, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I'd recommend Proverbs 3:13 Barikada 01:55, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

For RW, Romans 1:22. TmtamesP 02:00, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I was always partial to Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. CЯacke ®  02:24, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

"This a Guideline"!
This a case of bad grammar! - Icewedge 15:27, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Grammar. TmtamesP 15:49, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Verbs are for the weak! Fight the power! --Sid 15:43, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't you mean "Verbs for the weak"? BeastmasterGeneral 16:19, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * And, apparently "the power!" --Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  17:13, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I considered both, but "Verbs for the weak" sounds like some sort of verb donation drive... --Sid 17:25, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Ed wrote the first version with this edit summary:
 * Not sure how to word this: I don't set policy . . .
 * Contrast that with his block of which say:
 * no writing plan, 50/50 comments, 2 reverted edits
 * Just where did this last policy come from? [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis  Marauding 17:15, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * ...you should ask where ANY of those policies came from, actually. Submitting a writing plan is just an Ed invention with no basis in policy - he just slaps people around with it whenever they complain too much. The "50/50" thing is actually an open admission that the "90/10" rule should be read as "We block you regardless of numbers". And the "x reverted edits" gig is a fairly recent thing that originated in Andy's territory, I think: Whenever a sysop reverts you, it counts as vandalism or POV-pushing by you, basically. So being reverted by a sysop makes you BAD, even if the reverts are just Geo mindlessly re-inserting the "Liberal [nouns]" template into the Dawkins article. --Sid 17:25, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I actually meant the whole thing as a policy, not just the 2 reverted edits. Solly I didn't suppress myslef well. :( [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis Marauding 18:22, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

New 'proof' that Democrats are nuts
According to CP, this article proves that Democrats are nuts. Wonder if they realise that many insane people think they're perfecly sane? Zmidponk 19:21, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I love that. Regardless of the fact that self-diagnoses are meaningless, I love how rather than examine how many described their mental condition as "poor" they decided that "not excellent" was pretty much the same thing. I think this study simply shows that liberals are more honest, and will admit that they aren't perfect. I admit liberals might suffer slightly more from depression, but we all know ignorance is bliss. DickTurpis 19:39, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * You know in Germany in the 1930's, "scientists" published "facts" that my tribe was genetically inferior to the "Pure-blooded Aryans", how long before CP starts that? The user formerly known as DLerner 23:29, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

"and we've rejected self-labels here long ago." So... Liberals don't all label themselves perfectly sane, therefore they're insane. Opporitunism ftw. Barikada 23:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Bosnia flap
I am NOT as gullible as a Lemming!!!!! You just never know on CP whether they're serious or not. But don't take it down though. L'chaiyim, Lyra Belaqua Communique Delegate scorecard 20:03, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * To be fair, that item (re: CP's Bosnia April Fool's headline) isn't that different from their regular headlines. That's one of the disadvantages of them posting far-out (and misleading) headlines every day: It becomes harder to spot the parody. ;) --Sid 20:07, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * They've got to ridicue Hills as much as possible 'cause when if she goes they'll only have the race card to play & even they must realise it'll rebound on them. SusanG 20:06, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

EdBot...
Thank you, EdBot, for dusting off this one and reminding me that some people at CP still see opposition to racism as "political correctness..." PFoster 20:37, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You do realize that the person who posted that is a blocked vandal, right? DanH 22:46, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Probably a sockpuppet of PFoster. TmtamesP 22:55, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Dan - I realise that it was prolly put up by a vandal - what appalls me is that theses things stay there so long..TmtamesP/Bohdan - nope. not my style. There's a lot of stuff on CP that my socks have put up, but faking racism to make the wiki look bad was never in my repertoire. PFoster 23:00, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Also, Ed's edit comment looks like he's joking, but his actual edit here doesn't have much of a joking tone. Poe's Law again, I guess. --Kels 23:03, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

What in the name of Banana Cream Pi?
Wait! I just noticed that you have been talking about Kektklik for a while now.. holy guacamole Shapman! (Shapman is one of my friend's nicknames) =_- Fuzzy&#124;AFD 23:07, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Is Kektklik a volcano in Alaska? It sure sounds like it... human  23:30, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I second that. :P Phynix 16:21, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I don't remember how I came up with this name. The full name is, Kektklik Ignias Xiron of Xebulon (nicknames: Kektklik, Kektk, or KiXoX).  I only remember the full name and what it means in my infantile made-up language Xironite... "Loved and Hated by all of the Here and Now".  I was a very depressed child in my middle school days.


 * I also think Kixox means something else, because I saw it on Google a few times, but I can't seem to find a translation of it. =_= Fuzzy&#124;AFD 16:25, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Delete nomination
I just nominated cp:Liberals and friendship for deletion, how long before Assflec blocks me? Anyone think he'll be fair? Nah, I don't think so either. The user formerly known as DLerner 23:37, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, that fucker is fast! The user formerly known as DLerner 23:39, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

It seems that every time I knock his articles, he adds another bullshit anecdote, Andy, I know you're reading this so let me tell you this, you forgot to delete the AFD page.

s****** c***
Fucking brilliant. Ajkgordon 08:25, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Heh! saved it, just in case.SusanG 08:45, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I think we actually need to screenshot/text backup the entire Fox/Poor/TK exchange. I could guarantee you that it'll be deleted later.  I'd do it but I'm in class.... :-(- 09:39, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Ed's state of mental health
Has anyone ever thought about how Ed seems to swing from mood to mood? I am thinking the man is bipolar or has borderline personality. Some days his edits are nice and calm and others he seems to throw cation to the wind and then some. Ed, I hope you are taking your meds.--TimS 14:10, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Well that's easily explained - as per CP "While 58 percent of Republicans reported having excellent mental health, only 38 percent of Democrats described themselves that way." I guess that means the 42% who don't have excellent mental health are over at CP... Psygremlin 14:32, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * I have to note this, "Republicans reported having excellent mental", self reported? State of denial anyone?--TimS 14:47, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Human's state of mental health
Has anyone ever thought about how Human seems to swing from mood to mood? I am thinking the man is bipolar or has borderline personality. Some days his edits are nice and calm and others he seems to throw cation to the wind and then some. Human, I hope you are taking your meds. --TmtamesP 14:16, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

You :You do have a point--TimS 15:02, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Its alarming, isn't it? TmtamesP 15:06, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * And other days he goes and throws anions to the wind. Uchiha KATON! 17:31, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I throw anions, AmesG throws cations, and although it keeps the Universe in Balance, it sends poor nadhoB into fits. human  19:23, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

He spelled caution as "cation"? See, this is what I get for copy-and-pasting a liberal's phrase. TmtamesP 19:39, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Or maybe they're special ions disguised as cats. It is possible! -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 19:43, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Wonder if they will make it on the homeschooled list
The kids from Westboro Baptist Church.

Also this whole CA against homeschooling thing, I guess no one has been following several homeschooling and christian school groups against the U of CA. The issue is about not admitting their children to the university due to the classes taught to the children not being acceptable to the university standards. Guess you can not claim that "god did it" when you do not know the answers.

New cp article liberal education! When you try to find the answers instead of relying on "god's word".--TimS 15:02, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You mean like, "thinking for yourself"? What a concept! Conservative education = rote memorization, regurgitating teacher's point of view. Liberal Education = problem-solving.  Rational Ed faith 15:22, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Its not the 'goddidit' thats the most troubling, but that the children were remarkably unprepared for math, science, and a general 'how to study in an academic environment'.


 * This started out with Philip Long and his wife Mary Long (never graduated highschool) were homeschooling their 8 children. Three of the children complained of physical abuse by Philip Long (their father).  Sunland Christian School was overseeing the home school and considered it "independent study" and checked up four times a year.


 * When the child welfare started looking into it, they found that the students there were poorly educated. This went up to an appeals level and the appeals court told the juvenile court that the parents had to enroll their children in a school - and excluded Sunland Christian School from the list of schools saying "[that institution] was willing to participate in the deprivation of the children's right to a legal education."


 * This goes to that California requires a child's education to be done by a public school, an accredited private school, or with an accredited tutor. A school cannot just let anyone do "independent study" and that the monitoring of the homeschooling done by Sunland was insufficient.


 * --Shagie 15:28, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Bohdan's State of Mental Health
Has anyone ever thought about how Bohdan seems to swing from identity sock to identity sock? I am thinking the man is schizophrenic or has a borderline personality. Some days his edits are nice and calm and others he seems to throw caution to the wind and give up on this wiki entirely. Bohdan, I hope you are taking your meds wearing your tinfoil hat. PFoster 14:50, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "Welcome to Basic Psychiatry 101. Today, we shall start be defining schizophrenia as:

and differentiate this against both Hysterical Conversion Disorder (sic) in which: and Borderline Personality Disorder in which: In addition, we shall examine the concept of Uni-Polar Affective Disorder, whereby the individual: I say he's Uni-Polar and needs Lithium (say bye-bye to ya kidneys in 20 years time, y'all! ;-)) Spica the Hiver If you tolerate this, then your children will be next... 16:16, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "a detachment from reality with associated delusional ideation, persecutory hallucinations and social isolation"
 * "multiple personalities inhabit the mind of the patient as a result of a traumatic incident and there is no detachment from reality. These personalities "show" themselves at various times, often in response to external stressors"
 * "the individual experiences repeated periods of crises, brought on by various external stressors, resulting in forms of self-injurious behaviours as maladaptive coping strategies. The individual often has a history of physical, psychological/emotional and/or sexual abuse."
 * "experiences periods of elation, euphoria, over-activity and high energy levels resulting in a chaotic, disorganised lifestyle, evenutally leading to a period of relative calm and normal functioning on a day-to-day basis. There may or may not be a floridly psychotic component during the "high" phase of the condition."
 * Whoa, UPAD actually sounds like... fun. When does my relative calm and normal functioning start? And are my daffodils psychotic? human  18:58, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say he had "borderline personality disorder." I said he might have a "borderline personality." PFoster 19:11, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Is his personality in the same border as my daffodils? human  19:15, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I didn't say he had "borderline personality disorder." I said he might have a "borderline personality."" Not sure what you mean by "borderline personality" - do you mean pro-dromal (i.e. just beginning to show signs of mental illness)? Or something more akin to schizo-typal or schizo-affective? Just trying to clarify what you meant, is all :) Spica the Hiver If you tolerate this, then your children will be next... 04:43, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think it was meant in a reference to mental health at all - just describing him as "bordering on having a personality". Terribly cruel joke, but sometimes in humor there is a ring of truth... human  13:43, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

ass f*****
This is gonna set an interesting new precendent. It wasnt for the fact that its Ed, they'd be banned and right quick. Aschalflylylyl must be beside himself. Ace McWicked 16:19, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

"I hope to be able to promote you..."
Let's see... *opens dictionary*
 * I hope to be able to promote you... (BS)
 * "Karajou has not completed his investigation of your private information yet."
 * "I need some more time to come up with a plausible excuse."
 * "I asked some sysops to strongly oppose your nomination, but they haven't reacted yet."
 * "Please stand by, I'm still searching your contribs for something to revert."
 * "We are currently comparing your IPs and posting behaviors to anything seen on RW."
 * "I hope you will wait until Sunday and then a few days longer before pestering me again."

Any translations I missed? ;) --Sid 08:15, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I'm still trying to determine your link to abortion and breast cancer, but haven't found anything I can misinterpet yet." Jr  ss  r5  08:44, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I need to see if your name anagrams into any RW user, or even an anagram of a RW user." 70.91.248.249 08:47, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I want you to grovel some more. Dance, monkey boy, dance!"--WJThomas 09:01, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "Has Hell frozen over yet?" SusanG 09:05, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "Welcome (NEW) Sysop TK! CЯacke ® 09:48, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "Now hold on HelpJazz, TK has already proven to me that he is 100% committed to the team. He proved it last night by sucking my cock." (For some reason, I was put in mind of Team America) Bondurant 10:04, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * We don't want any real Christians. That whole Christian schtick is just a front for our evil Satanic cult.  Rational Ed faith 10:24, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "No." --Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  10:38, 3 April 2008 (EDT)(sums it up!) SusanG 10:52, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "HelpJazz, this is a meritocracy, and I haven't seen any significant contributions by you yet. Take Freedom777 CollegeRepublican  Conservative Ed Poor's contributions as an example of how this meritocracy works. If I see more by you in the upcoming days, and no sysops are against your nomination (including myself, which I am), I will consider it. Godspeed." Aschlafly's Atheistic Cat 11:30, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I'm waiting for the FBI report on your file." Ajkgordon 14:35, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "By Saturday evening you'll be buried in a hole right next to Rob. Godspeed...".--WJThomas 15:03, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "Well, yes, you are literally correct, but figuratively that positive feedback reinforces my refusal to promote you." NightFlareSpeak, mortal 15:50, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I am not going to promote you." Spica the Hiver If you tolerate this, then your children will be next... 16:20, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "Hahahahaha! No." -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 16:25, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't be a D***, I'm working on it SirChuckB  17:58, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "April fool!"  Lily Ta, wack! 19:16, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I'll need your personal signature, contact information, and a reference from your teacher (which, if it turns out to be prank mail, I will still trust more than I'll ever trust you)." Uchiha KATON! 00:02, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "FUCK YOU" BeastmasterGeneral 07:57, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Folks, you can't fool me. Everyone knows that there's a 94.9% correlation between requests for additional rights and Librul Subversion . Bye!  Matt  21:52, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

MOST FAVORITE? WHAT THE F****
Holy freaking shit.... He actually has an essay topic that contains the phrase MOST FAVORITE... How the hell is this man still entrusted with the education of the future of America? SirChuckB  21:25, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok, I'm calmed down a little bit now... but I have a great idea... I have a few (very liberal) essays on my computer from school... one about accepting Gay Marriage and another opposing censorship... anybody wanna sock up and turn them in? I wanna watch Andy's head explode SirChuckB  21:37, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * On an even scarier note look at Writing Homework Five, item 6. Are they actually using "The Supremacists: The Tyranny of Judges And How to Stop It" by Phyllis Schlafly as curriculum in a writing class? - Icewedge 22:09, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Apparently so… --<font color="#00FF00">Linus (plot evil tech) 12:25, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Visiting Andy
Does anyone want to go hear his talk at Drew University? I'm seriously tempted. It's April 9th, at Drew, as he said. For me it's a short NJ Transit ride to the Madison train station, which is apparently a short walk to campus. So tempting. Anyone along the NJ Transit corridor and interested?- 22:34, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Have you always wanted to, you know, stalk other people? TmtamesP 22:41, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes! I like your new username :-).  But yeah, I think it'd be a jolly good lark.  Just to hear the speech.  Could be fun.  4 hours and $5 or so for me.- 22:46, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, problem. It's at the university.  Not public most likely.  Frak!- 22:48, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Can't hurt to check. And if I was still in NJ, I'd go.  I'm curious if he's as noxious in person as on CP.  (What's he talking about?  Didn't see anything on CP's front page...) --Gulik 23:05, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * If you've ever heard him speak, he's got that "mouth full of marbles" sound that breaks me up just thinking about it. Must be great in summations to a jury. CЯacke ® 23:19, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Do it Ames! The only thing better would be if you got expelled from the talk, but I doubt he'd recognize you in person. Uchiha KATON! 23:58, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I've seen Ames picture on this wiki before. Not a face you easily forget. TmtamesP 00:14, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Assuming he still looks like he's 10. TmtamesP 00:15, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Jesus god I would love the ashclhjkhujhiukkkd-fucktard speak. I salivate at the thought Ace McWicked 00:19, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy speaks here Greenrizla 04:07, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Come on, somebody from RatWiki has to go see Da Mahn spout his mindless drivel! If he ever comes to the UK I'd make a point of going to see him and I'd have a RatWiki T-shirt printed up all special like for the occassion. Spica the Hiver If you tolerate this, then your children will be next... 04:59, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Can't see it, sorry. Come to the UK? It's well known that we're all feelthy liebruls here. And the rest of us are atheists. No fit place for a godfearing assfly.  GNUSMAS :  TALK  05:14, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * And it's incredibly unsafe in the UK due to gun control.Bondurant 06:24, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Pfft, the UK. They're not even part of Western Europe. --Kels 06:40, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy seems to think that it's significant to go to continental Europe but not to the UK? Anyway, hadn't John Kerry spent a lot of time in France, while GWB had never been outside of the US (especially to avoid going to Vietnam)??? Bondurant 06:53, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Homeschool mystery
If Charles Fefferman was such mathematical prodigy then it is highly likely that he was homeskollared/privately tutored to some degree. Let's face it, it is difficult for both the very bright and the very dumb to progress in a group of average students. Both types of "special needs" pupils benefit from one-to-one teaching. However, Andy is obviously trying to make the point that Fefferman was clever because of his schooling rather than he needed special teaching because of his abilities. A not very subtle distinction, but one that Andy can't seem to get his head round. <font color=Blue>Genghis Marauding 06:22, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Both types of "special needs" pupils may benefit from one-to-one teaching, particularly in their field of experience, but this should be in addition, not in the place of, public (in the continental Europeans sense) school. What school teaches is social skills, how to behave in a group of people. And you learn much from your friends and fellow pupils, from language to character to behaviour to life. All three corners of the parents - teachers - friends triangle are needed. Public school may be avoided, but it is difficult for a homeschooler to spend enough time with his friends even if he is every afternoon with them. Complete fucking moronEd at CP 08:36, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Genghis, in the case of the gifted student, it depends on whether there is a humskull teacher availabe who has the ability and/or knowledge to nurture that kind of intelligence. I agree that, given the right teacher, it would be preferable to a classroom situation, particulary in the average public school. But if that education is based on a literal reading of the Bible, it is going to stultify, not develop, a child's inteligence. And as Editor points out, socialization is an important part of the whole process. Intelligence won't often get you very far if you can't work with other people.  Rational Ed faith 08:56, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * This kind of "homeschool" distinction that Andy pushes has always bothered me (and not just because I'm a future teacher). I could read before I was three.  Was I homeschooled?  Well, my parents did read to me, and, if we make the definition big enough, as Andy is trying to do, that means I was.  I took a lot of initiative as a kid, and read/learned things beyond my grade level.  Did I homeschool myself?  I took piano and singing lessons.  Homeschooling?  Andy wants to expand the limits of "homeschooling" to incorporate any student who is/was bright enough to be beyond the evil-atheist-liberal-curseword-public school's grade level and/or any student who has pursued outside interests.  "Got the next Chopin?  He won't learn that in public schools!" says the Imaginary Andy.  Well of course not, you dumbass!  That's not what public schools are for!   I apologize for the outburst, but I've just seen my chosen profession dragged through the mud far to often lately. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  09:48, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You're right, Arcan, Andy's definition of who has been home schooled is totally self-serving. I was reading before I went to school, and learned geometry and biology at home when the government delayed in posting us on on oversease assignment and we were stuck in a motel at the beginning of the school year. It's already been pointed out how much early education took place in the home before the era of universial public education.  Rational Ed faith 09:54, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Whoa! Stop the presses! Andy actually hasn't completely shot down somebody who suggests that Fefferman wasn't homeskulled. . "You may be right"?? Ok, so who are you and what have you done to our Andy? Psygremlin 10:27, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Homeschool/hollywood Values
So I was thinking last night ... what does Andy think/feel about child stars who are individually tutored while working on movies/tv shows? Do they fit the homeskool mold or does hollywood values trump no public school influence? Or has he never thought of this? I want to see his head explode while pondering this question. Jr ss  r5  08:19, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Ed rolls up his sleeves
"I'm going to give an example of how to get rid of bias without resorting to censorship. Instead of reverting the contributions to 'ape theory', I will simply fix them". I wait with bated breath to see how this will pan out. Psygremlin 08:43, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Ed Poor, beware!
Ed, Conservapedia is your and your friends' blog. You can fill it with all your hatred, propaganda, misinformation. But don't dare mess with people's health. Drinking water is very beneficial from many points of view. You should not talk about health unless you know what you are talking about! And no, Internet is not enough. I see that you have too much time in your hands: go (back?!?) to University and become a medical student. Or at least, read, and understand, some serious texts. Start with the Exercise Physiology book by McArdle & al.

And now, see if you are up to the challenge. Did you know that many people die from drinking too much water? This happened to a woman last year who drank for a TV contest, but this happens more often to marathon runners. Google hyponatremia. You already have no respect from me, Ed, but show me that you dare suggest not to drink water because you risk dieing, and you'll see what an angry CP editor can do. Complete fucking moronEd at CP 08:49, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yesterday morning there was a guy on NPR, a doctor, who suggested that in the course of an ordinary day (without any strenuous athletic activity) there is no real advantage to drinking the prescribed eight glasses of water. He said research shows that drinking a lot of water actually slightly decreases the ability of the kidneys to filter out all those toxins that the water lobby is so concerned about. The suggestion was that the whole "carry a bottle of water around all the time" thing is based on pseudoscience. I suspect that may be what sparked Ed's little article.  Rational Ed faith 09:07, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I was referring to Ed's talk comment and edit comment. I didn't read his article. Water is much more than kidneys though for your homeostasis, if you are dieting, to avoid other beverages. That "carry a bottle of water around all the time" sounds scary. Couldn't Americans just use common sense, get a bit of instruction, and trust their doctors in nutritional, fitness and health matters? Editor at CPfor a change 10:33, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * The "carry a bottle of water" thing is because so much of America has weapon of gun control. If one is accosted by someone seeking excess coinage from you, you should have something that you could use to push away said person. (If you were allowed to carry and display your [largely defensive] weapon of gun, homeless people would know that you mean bidness and leave ye be.) Water bottles, being ubiquitous, are just the right size and weight for this task. CЯacke ® 13:39, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, let's see, today I had a bad of potato chips, 6 pieces of bread, and some beef jerky. I see no reason to have any beverage on top of all that. I'm sure I got plenty of water. Ed's right. I'll be fine. DickTurpis 09:53, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Didn't you have a Dr Pepper?  Rational Ed faith 09:55, 4 April 2008 (EDT)


 * It finally makes sense. The elimination of water as a necessary part of the body's intake was the final jigsaw piece - Conservapedia has evolved been unintelligently designed into the wiki of the Idiocracy future! "Conservafuckingpedia - in association with Ow! My Balls!" Ed fully endorses Brawndo! for human and agricultural use. Its got electrolytes. Greenrizla 11:02, 4 April 2008 (EDT) And stuff.
 * Well, of course Ed Poor doesn't drink water—he drinks blood, silly. -- 15:39, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Revert back to previous edit by WHO!
That must hurt! SusanG 09:21, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Shh, Susan, shh. WHO's va ndalic -luable contributions should be left unnoticed. Editor at CPfor a change 10:36, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Agtually if you look back to pre-mass-eviction times you'll find that most of the decent musical articles are by our own favourite WHO. (some of 'em are almost passable [[Image:Nods.gif]]) :-) SusanG 10:50, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I actually like the refined vandalism of those times by some current RWikians (WHO included, not?). Write ten good and precise articles, but write one article where only ten paragraphs are good and precise, but on one paragraph put a not so obvious vandalism - but one serious enough to completely undermine the reliability of an online "encyclopedia". The best part are the current Sysops, with their amazing ignorance of... everything, trying to guess where vandalisms are. Should they leave a potentially "infected" article by someone they hate, or should they delete them all, fully knowing that they are not able to write decent articles? Editor at CPfor a change 11:07, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, the good old days. About... a year ago.  Contrary to mythology perpetuated by others, I never even wandalized CP, even in such a subtle fashion as described above.  I made a few WTF! type comments at places like talk:assfly (my favorite: "ecce homo".  Second favorite: "what's the CP business plan?"), but mostly just tinkered in unwritten areas for fun.  I was developing a series of articles on the building trades, and pulled a handful of articles on periods in classical music out of my butt, with links to major composers.  Then a couple of the nicer homskollars researched (I hope) and wrote stuff in those articles.  If you look at the edit that was reverted to, all I was doing was adding a link to "Romantic period (music)".  I am glad Susan thinks that my attempts were almost passable :) If I had handed them in in a class I'd have expected a C at best.  Every few months I find myself reading something I wrote over there, but it is rare unless I go looking, since I edited in such non-cpntroversial areas.  Do the "drum" and "drums" articles still exist?  One is mine, and is far better.  The other is an Ed Poor joynt, as I recall, you can assess the quality based on that, I think. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  13:40, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yup, "Drums" and "Drum" are still the way they were. Hooray for redundancy! --Sid 07:13, 5 April 2008 (EDT)