User talk:B♭maj7/Archive1


 * You check out Guitar George he knows all the chords
 * Mind he's strictly rhythm he doesn't want to make it cry or sing Jack Hughes (talk) 22:53, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I freakin' LOVE Knopfler. Once I heard him, I sold all of my guitar picks for angel dust. You know what else I love? NOT HAVING TO FILL OUT A CAPTHCA EVERY TIME I PRESS ENTER. BbMaj7 (talk) 22:55, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Faithful atheist
There's a whole collection of people who call themselves things like "atheist christians" or "social christians" "socially religious". I myself am an atheist pagan. I like the connection of being with other people who have a measure of spirituality, but at the same time, don't think that "goddess" is anything but a focus for my own love of hte universe.--En attendant Godot 23:20, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's less the spirituality that I'm looking for--I'm not even sure I know what that word means--as it is the sense of being connected to people with a strong sense of what the right thing to do is, with that sense rooted in something a little less immediate, a little more...imminent, maybe? It's definitely coming out of a political space, in that I see so much of a disjoint in the way Christianity is so often harnessed for political goals that are fundamentally anti-Christian. They're going it wrong. BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 00:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Godot, a question - you interpret "Goddess" non-literally, other people believe in her literally. Why? Do you think this is because you think differently from them (different thoughts/reasons), or because you feel differently from them? (different emotions) 00:24, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't really tell you, Mara.  I read the talk page of your essay last night (I admit i've not read the essay yet, so i didn't comment yet), and find it intersting the hard line distinction some make between logic and emotion in life.   I think, personally, the two go hand in hand much more than most people admit, and i think recent rMRIs on the way we form ideas and feelings **Might** back me up, but it's too early to say.  Anyhow.  I have always been an atheist.  the earliest anyone knows of my "ideas/feelings" was when I was six, and said "why would she (dead mother) be in heaven.  that's silly.  she's dead.  dead is dead, and that's life" or some such.  remembering my father is a methodist minister, that rather shocked everyone.  God or some kind of thing beyond nature that has created this world makes about as much sense to me as Easter Bunny or Noah's arc, or the idea that you can go on a chocolate diet and be healthy.   to me: 1) if there were a god or a creator it would be part of nature, a very powerful part, but part never the less, 2) if there were a god or creator, it would not be morally superior --- if it even had anything comprable to morals, 3) if there were a god of any form, it too would have to be made from something.  which is an endless chain of gods.  My logical mind understands that nothing is special about the universe, and the "prime mover" theory.  My emotional self - to the extent i separate it, sees nothing that feels godlike, and has never had any wish fulfilled.  But really all of that is adult justification.  I just know there is no god the way i know there are no alien visits, know there are no fairies, and know that Obama is neither the best president or the worst - he just is what he is.  When i was 12, for what it's worth, i was desperate to both "fit in" and find god, and to just have some kind of sense of order to the universe.  I went to summer day camp, and left empty and emotional.  cause everything i looked at, sang about, read about, and tried to feel was as hollow as it had always been.  I am, formally, agnostic of course.   should someone show me evidence of god (the number 42 written in all our dna, i'll accept as science, and move on).--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  15:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OH, one last - i'm very arrogant, so of course i think that i *THINK* differently from them. but that doesn't mean i really do.:-)[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot 15:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think maybe you misunderestimate some of us. I'm definitely no "faitheist," but I do qualify as an (ethnic) Jew. While I consider the religion to be largely nonsense, I've also spent a good amount of time debunking anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, of which some of my family were targets in ze old country. This also overlaps with my general interest in conspiracy theories, including the anti-Catholic and Islamophobic brands. It's best to remember what JFK said in one of my favorite pieces of presidential rhetoric: Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you... Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 21:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

You seem like a reasonable person...
...so I made you a Sysop. CAPTCHAs gone now?? 02:01, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm remarkably reasonable. They are gone now. Many thanks. BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 02:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought you all had some "rule" about it being a week or so before sysoping?  your rules that you all live by, confuse me.  (that's both a joke and not, all at the same time, Maratrean)--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  02:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Rules? Rules? This site has rules? 02:04, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently, over the last 24 hours, that's what the world is screaming about. Mostly, i'm just learning and then typing the history of abortion.  so what teh f do I know.  Waves at the Music Major.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  02:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * One thing I have learnt, in my time here, is everyone ignores the rules, except when it suits them. I think I may as well do the same. 02:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a Music major -- strictly a hobbyist. I chose the high-paying, opportunity-loaded world of the humanities for a discipline. Kill me. BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 02:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Mara - if you add "when they don't get caught', isn't that pretty much true in all of life, too? rules are good only for everyone else?
 * Maj7, yeah, but it seems to fit you for now. :-) I have a phd in something called "native american language and religion" with an emphesis on how christianity influenced Sioux culture.   I am a paralegal for a living.... cause I like to eat.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]En attendant Godot  02:10, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

demoting him to sysop
is actually a really good thing. all those stupid red ! are gone. I was having a hard time separating his edits from various trolliebots that wander around. :-)--En attendant Godot 02:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Why not make it "Autopatrolled" like Brxbrx? Pippa (talk) 02:20, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Chords
I was about to criticize your for just picking IMaj7 until I looked at your user page and saw your original choice. Much better, though still a little weird. Also, I'm thankful you didn't pick the dominant seventh, because I'd be waiting for the end of the authentic cadence every freakin' time I saw your username. ThunderkatzHo! 02:24, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I read once that Stravinsky was arrested at one point for "defacing public property," because he included a BbMaj7 in his arrangement of the "Star Spangled Banner," which he sent to Eleanor Roosevelt shortly after moving to the USA. Of course it was a perfectly logical choice, occurring on the word "rocket's red glare", but it was the orchestration which sealed the deal. Junggai (talk) 22:38, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

gOD hATES sHRIMP
FYI, mediawiki's (the software RationalWiki runs on) search engine does not reduce capital letters that aren't the first letter of the item (I'm not sure I'm putting this the right way, though). As an example, this article does not exist, whereas this one does. That is my greatest beef with mediawiki. Oh, and I clicked on random page to find a suitable example. Don't think I mean anything by using men's movement-- 00:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure I follow you, but my way is right in that "God Hates Shrimp," is we take it to be the title of either a website (which it is) would be written the same way as, say, The Daily Beast or Google Books; if we take it to be a formal movement, same rules apply -- like Westboro Baptist Church. I reallt wasn't thinking about the search engine, but there's a redirect, so either way will get you there, oui? BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 00:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, redirects save the day. But I'm just being pedantic explaining why it was like that in the first place.-- 01:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Books!
I got nothing on the politics, but...
 * Footfall by Larry Niven
 * Dune
 * The Space Merchants by Frederik Pohl
 * The Legacy of Herot also by Niven
 * John Carter of Mars (extremely old series) by Edgar Rice Burroughs
 * The Foundation Trilogy by Issac Asimov
 * Nightfall also by Asimov

That's all I got from the top of my head, I'll check back next time I dig through my archives. Тy Yes? 03:01, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Read Dune, read some Niven, but not that one. Was planning to go the the used bookstore tomorrow, will bring this list with me. Thanks. BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 03:30, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Have fun! Тy rannosaurs 03:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The "Ringworld" series, "Lucifer's Hammer", & "The Mote in God's Eye" by Larry Niven
 * The "Forge of God" & "Anvil of Stars" pair & "Eon" by Greg Bear
 * "Childhood's End" & the "Rama" series by Arthur C Clarke
 * "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A Heinlein


 * Likewise, off the top of my head. Ajkgordon (talk) 16:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

So, how goes the reading? Green dot.svg 02:12, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The Heechee books are great. Am plodding through the Foundation books, finding them a little slow. Heinlein next. ‎Capital punishment doesn't undermine the moral or legal foundations of a society. ‎It is the moral and legal foundation of society. 03:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, Foundation. Apparently I'm not the only one whose choice of field was influenced by that book. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:18, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you a psychohistorian by trade? ‎Capital punishment doesn't undermine the moral or legal foundations of a society. ‎It is the moral and legal foundation of society. 03:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, a professional debunker thereof. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

De-cpify
You might want to add yourself to Category:Post-Conservapedia, we are always looking for new recruits :D Тy Please do not click on this 18:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do. BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 19:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Far out, maaaan...
Like Albert Ayler far out or Peter Brotzmann far out? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Both of the above. Ornette is huge to me. I'm listening to Pharaoh Sanders as we speak. BbMaj7 Doin' to you in your ear hole. 01:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There was a Sanders album that came out recently I've been meaning to get -- I think it's a re-issue of this. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 01:26, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Well look at you, mr. fancy pants, with that flat in your name!En attendant Godot 21:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm diggin' it. BbMaj7 Doin' to you in your ear hole. 22:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Kindly refrain from insulting war heroes
Winston Churchill was a genius and one of the greatest men who ever lived. Without his leadership and unfailing optimism, the Nazis would have taken over Europe and I think referring to such a man as "a racist fucker" is both very disrespectful to the man himself and the countless people who hold him in very high esteem. No, he wasn't without his flaws, but Gandhi used to sleep naked next to his nieces for God's sake. Given the choice between the two, personally I'd much rather be in Churchill's company. You don't get me denying the greatness of Nelson Mandella despite the fact that many of his actions would be considered racist. So with all due respect, please don't call Winston Churchill a racist fucker! Thanks. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 20:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Imperialism = racism. Churchill was a leading advocate of imperialism. My experience is that you won't find many people from the former colonies--not among the non-elites, at least, who have a kind word to say about Churchill or his policies towards them. Thanks for stopping by. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 20:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, there is nothing heroic or glamorous about war. War is horrible, full stop. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 20:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Imperialism = racism. I am sure that the Irish nationalists would disagree with you on that point...  02:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably not -- a lot of the British discourse about the Irish painted them as a race apart, if not even sub-human. Cedric Robinson makes an interesting argument about the role that British ideas about the Irish played in the development of what he call the "racial capitalism" that drove the imperial project -- but he was a REDREDREDRED, and I'm really not interested in your usual dismissal of an argument on ideological grounds, so let's just leave it at that. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 02:23, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (1) Whose sock are you? (2) Nordicism came in vogue well before Irish independence. But if that example is no good, we can embark on a list of all the empires that flourished before "race" as we understand it today had even been thought up. Or we can go into the many non-imperialist racists, such as Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam. 03:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (1) I am that I am. (2) I was really only talking about modern (i.e. post-1492) imperialism, not imperialism writ large; my fault for not being clear. Also, yeah, you can't have imperialism (in its modern forms) without some degree of racism, but you can have racism without imperialism. That said, I would argue that NoI racism is very much a product of/is completely embedded in modern imperialism, in that the NoI (and other strains of pan-Africanist thought) drew on imperialist/racist ideas and subverted them for their goals. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 03:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And then you have the Soviet Union, an empire that rejected Darwinian evolution because of ideological differences with the notion that heredity had anything to do with a person's development. 05:25, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * and again, using "Empire" in the shorthand was most people in my field do--the overseas empires run by Europe from 1492 to choose your ending date (I tend to go with 1974, the end of the Portuguese colonies in Africa). i'm not in any way denying the imperial nature of the USSR, but the central European/central Asian land empires are kind of a different thing, albeit with some interesting overlaps. They're also a pretty new and understudied topic, in terms of understanding them in terms of the scholarship on empire, if you're looking for a dissertation project. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 20:11, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have never in my life understood they idea that you should somehow have unwaivering respect and non-criticsm of someone for one or two good things, despite other bad things. I am a human.  sometimes i'm really good at it, and sometimes i suck at it.  That i was good one day, should not limit you from telling me how much i suck a different day.  Churchill did things that saved the UK and europe.  he was also a racist, and imperialist, and a class elitist.  and there is nothing at all wrong with calling it like it is.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  20:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC) (edit confllict.  and good comment, B-flat)
 * Well said. I think a quick study of history should disabuse anyone of the tendency to make historical figures into one-dimensional characters. One of my favorite examples is Henry Ford -- one of the greatest capitalists and philanthropists of the industrial era...and a raving anti-Semite and inspiration to Hitler (just don't mention that last bit in polite company). Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 21:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally Cake, you want to argue the my reading of Churchill, that's one thing. You want me to not express my opinions because they offend your nationalistic sensibilities? Fuck you. Stay off my fuckin' talk page if you're just going to come here to try to censor the free flow of ideas and tell me what you think I should or shouldn't say.. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 20:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Pointing out Churchill's racism and imperialism (preferably with acknowledgement of the cultural context of his time, etc) is one thing and almost certainly valid. Calling him a racist fucker is another. Rejecting a respectful request to resist calling Churchill a racist fucker in the rudest and most aggressive way, even if you find the request ridiculous, is hardly collaborative or civilised.
 * In another words, stop being a dick. Ajkgordon (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't chuck the word "censor" around like that B flat major seventh, it makes you sound like an idiot. 21:26, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I really don't understand. if the guy was a racist fucker (and like B-flat said, that is how many parts of the world see him) a problem?  why should it be our job to "respect" someone we do not respect?  I call bush a fucker and no one says "hey, don't do that".  or palin.  why can't i call Lincoln or Washington or the past Roi of France a racist fucker, if they were?[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ECEC Hey, dude came here and started raggin' on me for something I said in an edit comment -- not in the body of the wiki, but in an edit comment-- a week ago. How is that productive?? I think Churchill was a racist fucker. I also think George Bush was an fucking incompetent boob, Richard Nixon was a twisted goon, and a lot of other things, and I'm gonna express those opinions, 'cause, well, that's what opinions are for. Anyone wants to argue me on the merits of the case, great. Bring it. But a "respectful request" to "not say something I don't like because I don't like it" is total bullshit. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 21:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * SFTU and look at my book suggestions! Ajkgordon (talk) 21:37, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (EC) While Cake is probably being over-sensitive (the "racist fucker" was simply in an edit comment, right?), the term itself is bound to cause a lot of friction because, whatever his numerous faults, Churchill was, by any reasonable definition, a hero who was instrumental in defeating the Nazis. It's pointless, dickish, and does nothing to improve even a semi-serious article on the man. Ajkgordon (talk) 21:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * But aren't you pulling the very issue here? saying "you can't call him names cause some people respect him?"  why should we find ourselves holding back from being as rude or crude about someone we disagree with, just cause he was a war hero?  Someone who finds an aspect of your personality to be abhorrent should not be chastised for calling him out, even with bad language, unless the language itself is not allowed for anyone, not just some war hero.  Cake came here to "start something".  "do not insult a war hero".  Again, why is it wrong to call a "war hero" what he is, if that's your view of him?[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  21:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems you are confusing two issues. 1. Calling Churchill a racist fucker. 2. Telling someone who politely requests you not to do so to fuck off and pulling the censorship card. I probably wouldn't defend the first because of the points I gave above. I certainly wouldn't defend the second because it's dickish.
 * Of course criticism of a war hero is as valid as criticism of anyone else. I'm not arguing it isn't. Ajkgordon (talk) 22:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that there's a very human tendency to try and do your hardest to balance out people's opinions, and I think it's a flaw that a lot of people have. Bear with me for a bit while I try to explain this clumsily worded concept with an analogy.  Take Thomas Jefferson, for instance.  Wrote the Declaration of Independence, brought democracy to the masses instead of just the elites, separated church and state, etc.  Also fathered illegitimate children with a slave and then sold them into slavery.  However, since Jefferson's still seen in a largely positive light, people who are aware of the second set of facts tend to try and counter that imbalance by being zealously anti-Jefferson, so that the "average" public opinion of Jefferson falls closer to where it should be.  Does he deserve criticism?  Certainly.  Does he deserve to have his name dragged through the mud and his accomplishments removed from the history books because of his actions?  Certainly not!  It's the same thing with Churchill.  Is imperialism bad?  Niall Ferguson and I might disagree, but most people would say it's probably not a good thing.  But would it be better had he not rallied Britain in a crucial hour and quite possibly saved the country from invasion?  A Nazi Europe would be worse than imperialism by orders of magnitude.  Yes, Churchill had flaws.  But are his flaws somehow so offensive, so vile, that they permeate all his actions and erase any good he did?  Of course not.  It does a disservice to everyone to simply zero in on his flaws to the exclusion of all else just because you think all other sources gloss over them.  His imperialist and racist tendency should be mentioned, and explored in detail, but that dosen't mean we should ignore his accomplishments and just write an attack piece.  That's my two cents, at least.  -- 23:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, Theemperor; which is why I relegated my comment to a fucking EDIT SUMMARY and didn't really put anything about Churchill's racism into THE ACTUAL ARTICLE. This entire discussion is the result of someone concern-trolling me about a week-old an edit comment, not about anything I actually said in an article, for fuck's sakes. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 23:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hitler had redeeming traits: he was an art lover, an animal rights activist, a loving uncle and a devoted boyfriend. He had great taste in music and helped rejuvinate the German economy. But would we call Hitler a hero? No, we'd call him a racist fucker. That would be perfectly acceptable. Yes, Churchill had imperialistic tendencies as well as other unattractive traits but would we judge them by them? No, we'd judge him by what he did. And by that reckoning, he was a hero. So I would thank you to please use less derogatory terms in future. Goodnight and have a wonderful week. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. See above. I don't believe war is heroic, and I don't believe there are war heros. 2. Too bad, I will call them as I see them. Have a great evening. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 02:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

New sig
I loled. Тy Lonely. Ever so lonely. 01:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Good! B♭maj7 RATZINGER RATZINGER RATZINGER 01:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lovely, only better would be Ratz the fucker, ratz the fucker, ratz the fucker. --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  03:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Rattzy and child abuse
I'm kinda shocked to hear anyone defending the abuse, even in a back door way. I don't care if it's 6 percent, or 2 percent - it's higher than the national average of men who abuse kids, and ANY percent, by a church who is there to help us "raise" our kids, teach them right from wrong, shouldn't be covering it up. that's so amazingly amoral. what the fuck? ok, sorry to rant here, i was just giving you an "atta boy".--<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 03:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I imagine his argument is more subtle than straight-up defense of the church -- what he wants is an acknowledgement that shit happened, but, you have to understand the Church in terms of its larger social activism, feeding starving kids, what have you. And sure, that's great, but at the end of the day, it's a group with an incredibly problematic ideology and a really, really nasty history. I want to focus on one aspect, he on the other. If he really wanted to work a Red like me into a corner, he's bring up Romero and Liberation Theology, which is where I start to go "yeah, but..." 'cause those were things I could get behind. of course, those guys enjoyed little support from the Vatican, from what i understand, so I still got that as an out. B♭maj7 RATZINGER RATZINGER RATZINGER 03:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing. Both of you have every right to your opinion, and if you opinion is "Child abuse is horrible", then I am behind you 100%.  But you do not have every right to the facts.  When people are up in arms because one in five hundred thousand members of the RCC are abused each year, to the point where they not only refuse to recognize that this is vastly lower than the forcible rape rate in any major city, but even refuse to acknowledge any of the many incredibly positive things the Church has done (Mother Teresa, anyone?), that's being irrational.  "At the end of the day," when you weigh the good against the bad, the rational conclusions, supported by logic, statistics, and facts- the only objective measure of veracity- is that the RCC is currently a force for good in the world, and if you think that all that is being somehow invalidated by a few isolated cases, then there's really no point in arguing with someone so set in their own personal beliefs that they refuse to change them when it's revealed how irrational they are.  And that's all I have to say on the subject.  -- 05:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The term "good" does not belong in factual judgments. 05:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * -edit conflict::::AS I've said, my issue with teh Church and ratzy is not that abuse happens. it does.  shit happens.  it's that the hierarchy EXCUSED it, and deliberately attempted to hide it, to deny it, and to cover it up.   And this is not new at all.  Any time in "modern" history, when the Church has been challenged, it has denied all allegations, even when evidence was overwhelming.  Ratz himself is at the center of not one, but three major coverups before he became pope.  People will abuse others.  but you take them out of the church, you do not just move them to a different church and say to the victims, "you are wrong, and you are the problem".  and yes, he said specifically that to victims when he was the archbishop of munich.  That is deplorable.  That is not godly.  that is all i need to undestand who or what he is.  the Church and it's "gold plated exterior" must be preserved, even when individuals are harmed.
 * My other points are about his anti-science, anti women, anti-health, anti-gay, anti-humanity aspect. He is the face of the church.  if he said "life matters more than a stupid wrapping on your willy", the world would follow.  Instead, to this day, he says "let them die of aids.  the shouldn't be having sex anyhow".  He thinks women are walking wombs, and that abortion should not even be allowed in cases of rape and incest, and has said while an archbishop, that he does not believe her own life is a valid reason for an abortion, because it's god's choice.  HE thinks women's bodys are there to be used by men, and that they should not control their reproduction, EVEN IF ITS UNHEALTHY for them to get pregnant in the first place. their options are to be celibate adn not marry.
 * You can try to white wash all that with "look at the good the church does". but to me, how you handle your pimples and wounds is far more important than the fact that ***some**** of your money goes to things like hospitals, childrne's homes, etc. By the way, I've not studied these numbers in ages, so maybe it's changed, but when i did my undergrad work in the 80's we studied the published budget of the local diocese in Denver, and of the See.  the percentage that is going to children's homes, shelters and hospitals is a pittance.  but sure, "they do good".[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  05:52, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I missed the "anti-science" part of all that. 06:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What Godot said. Most people's complaints about child abuse in the catholic church isn't that it happens at all (although that is bad, that's "just" child abuse, it's not specific to the catholic church), the issue is the way the church deals with it. Or rather, how it doesn't deal with it. Covering it up, actively interfering with police investigations, public denials and covertly moving offending priests around rather than turning them over to the authorities or simply defrocking them is the issue, the "close ranks and protect our own, fuck everyone else" culture the church has is the problem. X Stickman (talk) 08:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

By the way, ask any Indian about Mother Theressa and they will tell you she was a fucking brutal bitch, who allowed people to suffer, because in her eyes, suffering lead to godliness. The more we look into how she ran her hospitals and the few children's work houses, the more we challenge the image she presented. But she is a "war hero" right, and we should not look into her views on how to treat patients too closely. <font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot 05:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hitchens does a pretty good demolition job on Theresa. And "Is the Catholic church a force for good in the world?" Ajkgordon (talk) 07:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And to be fair to her, it's not like that issue of "suffering = godliness" was her own invention. IT's a very catholic thing, that goes back at least to Augistine, who spends books talking about the importance of suffering in understanding that the flesh is the entry point of Satan into this world, and that by suffering you help seperate that which is worldly from that which is spiritual (though he always sounded more platonic to me).  Historical monks and nuns were famous for seeing who could suffer more, with self flagulation, horsehair shirts, starving themselves to death. Suffering is holy.  She was just following what she had learned, but to deny people asprin or antibiotics cause "god will help them if they are worthy"...  doesn't sound holy.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  13:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Libya
Its obvious that it is over. Gaddafi is probably not even in the country anymore and three sons have been captured already. --Rastko (talk) 00:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great. Get a reliable source saying that without the "probably" and we're good to go. B♭maj7 Define "talk." Define "page." 00:07, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

His location is irrelevant. Tripoli has fallen, 3 sons have been captured already. The whole territory of Libya is free now. --Rastko (talk) 02:11, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great. Get a reliable source saying that. Maybe a statement from the new regime or the rebel leadership. B♭maj7 Define "talk." Define "page." 02:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Nobody is fighting, though there are some clashes in Sirte, but Tripoli is free since 21st when I made the first edit. It was all clear when the Martyr's Square was liberated, but today Gaddafi's residence was stormed, as well. --Rastko (talk) 18:53, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * when I woke up this morning (23 August Eastern time, USA), there was most definitely ongoing fighting being reported live on both the BBC and Al-Jazeera, with reports that the rebels were bringing in reinforcements from outside of Tripoli. they only a few hours after that got into the compound. The son you reported as "captured" was gladhanding reporters at a hotel and a spokesman for the rebels said that reporting him as captured was a "huge mistake." There were lots of conflicting reports circulationg in the last 48 hours, and it's not our job to decide waht the truth is in a war zone. B♭maj7 So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. 19:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to laugh at US media, and of course "facebook post" type twittery news. If you went by that, there's a new regime, with no conflict already in place.  Course, you listen to bbc, infoFrance, etc., and the news is positive, but not quite as "final".[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">En attendant Godot  19:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Define
talk. page. Тy talk 02:46, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

J. P. Holding
We actually have quite a few references to Tektonics ministries and his work.

Search his name and Tektonics.

In the begining, God created... me. And He said I was awesome. 01:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Great. Link them to the damn article then. Thanks!!!!--B♭maj7 You know that nervous feeling you have before you're about to take an exam you don't feel ready for? That's pretty much how I feel all the time. 01:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

give it a break
Come on, showtime is over. Poor old AD is tearing his hair out over this one. Bob Soles (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As Frank Zappa once said, "Whatever happened to all the fun in the world?" Alright, for AD, I will cease and desist. He's a good guy. B♭maj7 “We are moving too fast for any label to stick.”-CLRJ 13:40, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just want to say I love that post of yours so much, I want to take it behind the bikeshed and get it pregnant. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  13:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

hope
I hope you resolve your religions indecision soon.--BobSpring is sprung! 23:23, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't have to choose, I see no essential incompatibility between Maratreanism and Asatru... you can follow both if you want... 23:24, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * EC So do I. I mean, they both seem to have so much to offer, and while I'm keen to start smiting unbelievers, I'd hate to smite the wtong guys, y'know? B♭maj7 “We are moving too fast for any label to stick.”-CLRJ 23:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could follow one in each universe? And another with the bat? :-) --BobSpring is sprung! 23:27, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Within the pagan world-view, there is no problem at all with following several different religions. That was done quite a lot in ancient Rome. When Christianity was first coming into the Germanic lands, the pagans there saw nothing wrong with asking Jesus's help for battles.
 * But if you are into "calm" and "peace" and "spirit flowing all around me," Odinism is definitely not your sort of religion; earth-centered Christianity or Buddhism might be your best bet. 05:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Stephen Harper article
What do you think? Osaka Sun (talk) 08:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice work! B♭maj7 “We are moving too fast for any label to stick.”-CLRJ 13:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Springlyn trolling on the SB
While it is dubious in itself to delete trolling comments from community pages, it is generally frowned upon to remove other users' responses. The trolltop/trollbottom templates would have been sufficient to deal with the situation, and perhaps a brief block of the troll. I know we've had an issue with the "Springlyn Locket" situation for a while now, but in fairness, that particular comment was only complaining about censorship by trolling. This is just a reminder for the next time something like this happens, as I'm sure nobody minds not seeing more Sprynglin crap. 03:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. B♭maj7 “We are moving too fast for any label to stick.”-CLRJ 03:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Taba, erm, Maratrean isn't going to be happy.
Oh, noes! Uuz tell it like it is. steriletalk 02:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Maratrean can suck my dick. B♭maj7 “We are moving too fast for any label to stick.”-CLRJ 03:04, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

For the time being I have decided not to edit that article, other than make minor spelling corrections. I will leave it up to someone else to revert any inappropriate edits. 03:06, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing but appropriateness from me, Sonny Jim. B♭maj7 “We are moving too fast for any label to stick.”-CLRJ 03:07, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Blurry svgs
If you encounter problems like that, try purging the article or the image. If it's a Commons image, just go to the image description page, click create, and replace action=edit with action=purge in the url. -- Nx  / talk 06:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * okay. B♭maj7 "If two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong." 11:35, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

external wikipedia links
Question, do you know what RW's "policy" (said a bit tongue in cheek) is about referencing wp articles in line? Seasteading has at least 2 'wp:some topic here' links, which seemed strange to me. I found them, cause i clicked on sayign "oh, we have an article on Women on Waves, cool". But we don't. I hope this question makes any sense.--<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot      Warning, chocolate will make your clothes shrink 18:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have a policy per se. It strikes me that linking to WP for obscure terms that aren't really common knowledge but that we'll never have an article on is probably a good thing.B♭maj7 "If two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong." 18:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, we aren't expected to provide info on everything. So we link to other wikis that have the info.  That's how I see it and that's how I like it.  IDK how others feel, but as B♭maj7 says, it's a good thing.--  18:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Emails
I have been having a long email discussion with Rob. Man, there is a goddamn freakshow going on in his head. Aceace 02:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I can only imagine. You should leak them sometime, just to give the world a sense of his batshit craziness. B♭maj7 "If two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong." 03:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, absolutely. I am so going to leak them. Aceace 03:02, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

i actually
didnt mean to make that thread about Rob. He posted some insane confusing post about machmann, and i questioned his sanity,. so, no blamy me.--SmithRob (talk) 04:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You'll notice I didn't say "Rob makes it about himself," but "The thread is..." because of that. B♭maj7 "If two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong." 04:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

So?
What happened to that beer you were supposed to send me? Aceace 20:51, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What happened is that the US Mail won't let you ship booze. I'm looking into other options. B♭maj7 "If two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong." 20:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WTF? that is stupid. I have a US post box you could send it to then I could handle the shipping from there? Aceace 20:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

The blood of jesus
I can do what I like! I am covered in the blood of Jesus! Aceace 20:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

You'll thank me in the morning
Aceace 07:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This made my day--thanks so much! ‎Please, Reverend Jim, ‎more Kool-Aid! 12:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Your abusive blocks of Brxbrx
Please don't do that again. -- Nx  / talk 07:51, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Or else he'll tell the RWF on you. Aceace 07:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm safe. You know why? Because I'm covered in the blood of Jesus. ‎Please, Reverend Jim, ‎more Kool-Aid! 12:03, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fuck yeah man, what the fuck you gotta worry about? It's shit bags like me that gonna burn in hell. Damn, the coffee will be cold, the coleslaw will have pineapple in it and there always be sand between your toes. Aceace 12:06, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I am going to kill you
Then I'll use your bodily organs to make Monopoly pieces. Aceace 21:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

If UHM was floating around...
He'd block you for 8 days. Aceace 22:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not if it's not in my userspace and the first time would be for 1 day anyway. But if you ask me I can make an exception. -- 23:24, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * [[File:Goatslaughter.jpg]]. B♭maj7 (talk) Medical science has confirmed that this is the worst head cold that anyone has ever had. Nobody has ever been sicker than this. Ever. 23:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Warning
If you do not continue to edit Brxbrx's user page, I will stand here with arms crossed making "tut tut" noises and shaking my head slowly until you do. You have been warned. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 14:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Warning received. B♭maj7 (talk) Medical science has confirmed that this is the worst head cold that anyone has ever had. Nobody has ever been sicker than this. Ever. 14:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

If you are in fact P-Foster
And are so terribly offended by words such as "F**" and "N*****," then you are a massive hypocrite, treating other humans (on this site) with such disdain, and having no respect for the beliefs of others (when those beliefs do not interfere with anyone's wellbeing).-- 01:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is in fact my sock. Aceace 01:52, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah. You're the first to claim it was P-Foster, and after Nx stripped this account of its rights, P-Foster swooped in and resysopped it seemingly at random considering he hasn't been active for a while.--  01:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Believe what you like. This is my sock. Or is it. Aceace 02:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

There's a difference between treating individuals with disdain because they are actively engaged in crapping all over the project and the community, and the use of racist and homophobic attack language against targeted groups. but I don't expect you to get that, since you are probably as we speak trying to craft an analogy in which you compare what happens on a wiki talk page to slavery or a pogrom, 'cause that's how you roll, baby. B♭maj7 (talk) Apple acknowledged that 137 workers at a Chinese factory near the city of Suzhou had been seriously injured by a toxic chemical used in making the slick green screens of the iPhone 02:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Maratrean (and possibly me, though my views for the wiki aren't like Maratrean) has his opinions on how the wiki should be. Is that so wrong?  Are you incapable of reading a post of his without resorting to user and talk page vandalism, without trying to offend him (I'll try not to drop any n-bombs around you, because I don't want to offend you.  Can you comprehend that?)?--  02:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * yes but the way Maratrean wants the wiki is not going to happen and he has been told as much. So he either needs to accept that or, you know, fuck off. Aceace 02:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. Maratrean should know better than to torture your frail eyes with ideas and thoughts on how the site should be run.  Doesn't he get that it's so excruciating to see someone's opinion, and that it's impossible to ignore for some reason?  By the way, what is Maratrean's vision for RW?  Something to do with cosmodicy?  I've never seen anything coherent from him about it.--  02:19, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That last sentence is golden. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 02:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fucking hell man, you are worse than CUR. Aceace 02:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * EC Maratrean is a concern troll and is using an online community as nothing more than an audience for his antics. He's also an idiot. Neither of those make him a persecuted minority. As my mom always said, if you play with the big boys, you're gonna get hurt. You, Brx, still show flashes of being a useful, intelligent and insightful editor -- you certainly had promise to fill the role of good-natured useful twerp kid when you showed up, but those moments getting more and more rare the more you decide to engage in your own kind of drama-queen preening and over-the-top comparison-making. B♭maj7 (talk) Apple acknowledged that 137 workers at a Chinese factory near the city of Suzhou had been seriously injured by a toxic chemical used in making the slick green screens of the iPhone 02:23, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * {ec}That was before my time, alhtough I've seen several users reminisce about him fondly @Archie- I meant about site policy...-- 02:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * BRX, if you are so "involved" in this community, and have an idea "where it should go", why do you do so little actual editing - giving voice to your vision in the articles and the organization of the place, and so damn much time whining and complaining about not only how you are treated, but just "in general". And please don't bring up your two french auto translations.  or are you, too just an annoying little putz that likes to hang out with people who don't really liek you?[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   The Peyote God awaits 15:11, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wrote the article on massage therapy, and I plan on riding that for at least another two months.-- 04:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

You have a really annoying sig
Just FYI. ONE / TALK 11:33, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He's also a dick and nobody likes him. Yet he carries on. 11:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My sig is annoying because? B♭maj7 (talk) Apple acknowledged that 137 workers at a Chinese factory near the city of Suzhou had been seriously injured by a toxic chemical used in making the slick green screens of the iPhone 13:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Man, bflat, you really attract them, don't you. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   The Peyote God awaits 15:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It is remarkable. At least Nutty is kidding...I think. B♭maj7 (talk) Apple acknowledged that 137 workers at a Chinese factory near the city of Suzhou had been seriously injured by a toxic chemical used in making the slick green screens of the iPhone 15:11, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I like it FWIW. Tytalk 15:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Jesus christ of course I'm kidding. You know where I live FFS. I'm not taking any chances. 15:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Does that mean if we tell people where you live, you'll behave? Not that you misbehave now, of course, but just in case... --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  15:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No. I won't. 16:40, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Good, Nutty, don't ever let them box you in, damnit! even if it means living somewhere they can't find you! [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   The Peyote God awaits 18:38, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

tip
Tytalk 15:20, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome. B♭maj7 (talk) "And when they ask me who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan I’m going to say, you know, I don’t know. Do you know?" 15:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

WIGO
My mistake re: the Dictionary Project. Got confused. Sorry! Ironclad (talk) 11:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

New Ordeal
Virtually all of the relevant New Ordeal discussions have been withheld or redacted from Conservaleaks. And there is one in particular of interest which coincides with RationalWiki being put on the spam block list. nobsEmpty Recycle Bin 17:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not anywhere as interesting as the fact that all your hard work at CP over the years is being rapidly devalued and slowly given the Great Soviet Encyclopedia treatment. Has Andy invited you back to contribute to MPR yet? No? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 18:46, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Andy's always supported the New Ordeal, and opposed moving it to Essay space. He just fixed the vandalism, per my request. Meantime, I'm researching the background of cp:Occupy Wall Street movement for the authors. nobsEmpty Recycle Bin 18:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ed Poor's "Scare quotes because this neologism is not widely used, let alone accepted" are still there. Don't lie, you always get caught. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 19:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (a) Ed Poor reported to SDG on 6/12/07 he moved New Ordeal to Essay space (missing from Conservaleaks); (b) Andy told me, "Keep at it. You're doing well.  The move to Essay space, which was not my idea, can be temporary ..."; (c) TK & I discussed it as "troll bait".   nobsEmpty Recycle Bin 19:26, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Ed Poor last week undercut your entire "New Ordeal" thesis with the addition of two little punctuation marks. Andy has edited the article since then and given the undercutting his imprimatur. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 19:52, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey awesome, Robs back. Aceace 19:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Here
Don't tell Trent. It's a little... big... probably because of the image. steriletalk 23:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thanks!! B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 23:27, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

title and stuff
It's actually a really bad article, but I was getting the heebee geebees (sp) about all the raw cutting i did, so i tossed it into another article till "some" generic time passes. I get the ego side, cause i've got it too, but I'm just not really sure why there's so much of the "this is really good" "hey, but it was really good, why are you changing it" -- when it's NOT really good. But, i felt bad anyhow, so put it into that article "for the time being".--<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  No, That's not the same thing. You just don't get it". 20:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If it's just a placeholder, I'll leave it with the current title; if it's gonna become anything, I'll make it a little more grammatically correct. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 20:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * To me, I'm not a big fan of any of the arguments. They seem sorta redundant, they are poorly written, and will take a decent amount of work to clean up.  so i'd say just sit on it for a week. if the authors decide to work on it, then change the title -- otherwise... i wouldn't personally keep it.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   No, That's not the same thing.  You just don't get it". 20:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Dude
Please stop protecting shit just because you don't like the way it's going. You're not a moderator anymore. By the way, this applies to both RW and RWW-- 03:04, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have the buttons, I will use them. If being a moderator was somehow relevant, then only moderators would have them. Anyone with the same buttons can undo it. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Since when can only Mods protect shit? the mods are not gods and gods are nto mods.  for fuck's sake.  we are this wiki.  not he, not me, not she, not you... but "we", and which ever one of that we wants to change things, they can.  other people can undo it if they are so inclined. and by the way, it was a mod, blue, who moved it OUT of essay space in teh first place.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Have you tried turning it off and on again?". 03:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By teh way, do you know how many fucking places there are on the internet to post your own blog, with no one editing it? But this isn't one of them.
 * Eh? I moved it from mainspace to userspace, after you moved it from essayspace to mainspace. 03:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, my bad. sorry. both about claiming you did it, AND the mess up on the move/--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Have you tried turning it off and on again?". 03:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC) (edit con)
 * Dammit, that was supposed to be Essay: One editor's.... my bad for missing the prefix. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:21, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * {ec-Godot...}Use your precious buttons to prevent vandalism. One of the stated duties of moderators is to resolve edit wars. You don't get to unilaterally pull the trigger, not since you resigned and proved yourself to be so unsociable. Try holding some proper discourse before you do something like that.--  03:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Tell you what, Brx, when RW or RWW trusts you with buttons, I'll listen to your advice about how to use them. Until then, just shut yer trap, okay? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, mods are not gods. we have a right to deal with this ourselves.  if someone WANTS to go to a mod, they can.  but there is not on fucking thing in the guidelines that says someone who has the rights to protect (ie., all of us), shouldn't .  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Have you tried turning it off and on again?". 03:12, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please stop protecting shit just because you don't like the way it's going. You're not a moderator anymore.  By the way, this applies to both RW and RWW. No, that is not a opinion. That is telling him what he should do. Aceace 03:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * {ec-godot, I didn't say mods were gods. I'm saying that P's unilateral actions are kinda douchey, and should be left to people held up to some sort of standard, instead of P doing kegels with his E-Peen}You really know how to act like a low level law enforcement officer on a power trip, you know that?--  03:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is why you get flamed Brx. because you roll around in a position of ZERO responsibility and tell every one what they should or shouldn't be doing. Aceace 03:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * {ec...}I have the right to an opinion. Now follow up on all the times you ditched my talk page just as soon as I'm on the verge of forcing you to confront my little pop deconstructions of you.--  03:20, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See, i don't have a problem with what he did, once the article was moved (by a mod, let's not forget) out of essay space. I'd not have done that... but I was ready to sit here all night and revert. (arrogant, self righteous, know it all french fucks do that to me, so you're in good company).  That you find it a problem - well, then i suppose all you can do is go to a mod.  But the fact is, this is what works for me.  I'm not Ace or Human into anarchy.  But i do think that sometimes teh bigger bully wins - and i don't really care.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Have you tried turning it off and on again?". 03:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Brx, why are you still on my talk page? When somebody tells you to "shut yer trap," that's not an invitation to hang out and talk some more. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:19, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * {ec}I was trying to make a point but it got lost among all the edit conflicts. If only liquid threads didn't fuck up recent changes so much...--  03:24, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please stop protecting shit just because you don't like the way it's going. You're not a moderator anymore.  By the way, this applies to both RW and RWW. No, that is not a opinion. That is telling him what he should do. I am not afraid of you little deconstructions. Aceace 03:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Essay question
I'm trying to put some kind of order to our essays. Not ranking or anything, just give them some sub cats under Essay cat. any idea what this essay would be? Religion? Philo? Atheism? or something i don't yet have? Essay:A Joking and Likely Utterly Foolish Simplification Of A Paradox Using a Popular Meme --<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Tue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 23:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)--<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Tue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 23:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Philosophy," or "Logic" or "Thought experiments"? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 23:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Gaddafi
What does Gaddafi's downfall have to do with his death?! The very article says he was deposed by August 2011, when Tripoli fell. By the way, sorry for reverting the edit, I did it by accident. Investigation has not been completed yet. --Rastko (talk) 23:55, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Sun Ra
I was watching an interview with him recently -- one of the greats, for sure, but man was he nutty, especially all of the "Angel Race" stuff. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:29, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm about halfway through this awesome biography of Sun Ra that does a really good job of situating that element of his oeuvre/persona in a broader historical/cultural context; Afrofuturism, Afrocentrism, and the way that these sorts of ideas (the N of I figures in this, too...) need to be understood as responses to the fundamental racism of American society. The author does a really good job of dealing with Sun Ra and his "eccentricities" on their own terms, which i think is the only fair way to address that sort of thing...B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 04:36, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Was he involved with NOI? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:43, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not as suh, though there is a probably-apocryphal story about him maybe meeting Wallace Fard early on. He was in touch with some NOI folks when he was in Chicago in the fifties, but not in a serious way. I was talking more about how both of them developed a racial ideology that dealt with really ancient and supernatural tropes as a way to ground Blackness in something beyond the daily, material concerns of the contemporary world. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 04:47, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Even though the mythology is similar in many ways, Sun Ra didn't strike me as someone who would actively promote the bigotry of the NOI. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:57, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Care to give Imperialism a look-see? Tytalk 19:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Soon, my little Babushka. Soon. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 20:00, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dad. Tytalk 20:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Autosign bot
Sorry about that on TWIGO:CP. The bot can't tell the difference between a new comment and a comment copied from elsewhere. I'm working on finding a solution. 22:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Totally unacceptable. No problem. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 22:20, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Israel/Gaza
Yeah sorry - I shouldn't have said that because it would require a lot of explaining. When Israel occupied Gaza (which I don't support), they implemented quite a bit of technology regarding cultivation on occupied land, which required tremendous expertise in managing. When Israel pulled out, the knowledge was simply not there to operate it, such that it fell into disuse. With so many other better examples, I don't really know why I included it... 14:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That makes sense....it's happened so many times in the history of decolonization. The French in west Africa were notorious for this sort of thing...B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 14:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Obvious trolling
Look at the CP talkpage. Brx and UHM tagteam troll me, so I play a blocking game, then they take their trolling to the chicken coop in order to involve as many people as possible. Obvious trolling. Aceace 21:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't take anything to the chicken coop. On the "they are trolling me"-part: [[File:Falldownlaugh.gif]] -- 21:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * EC @ ACE. I know. That said, I can't figure out what would be worse; if we give him his rights back, he can play the blocking game. But he'll still whine over some non-existent principle. But one thing is clear. We're stuck with him. He's like herpes. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 22:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are we stuck with him? Aceace 21:55, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How are we going to get rid of him? On a related note, how am I going to get rid of this drunk woman dressed in a sexy firegirl costume before my wife gets home? She won't leave. She just keeps asking for more vodka. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 22:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Toss her out the window. As for brx - i think if he is ostracized enough he might get the message. Aceace 22:03, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * more obvious trolling. Aceace 22:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No one around her seems to be any good at true shunning. that said, the bimbo problem is easy, just invite a male neighbor and say she's his.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Tue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 22:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

You have been taken to the coop.
May goat have mercy on your sole. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 22:11, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait what? Tytalk 22:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Justice must be served, grasshopper. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 22:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

How we treat others
Why should we, yourself include, have to watch what we say, how we talk, and what we do to someone who is truly disingenuous, temper tantrum throwing, self-victimization, trolling attention seeking 5 year old. I feel like you are saying we should back down, or apologize or something. But this particular kid intentionally pokes at others, criticizes others, and then sits back and enjoys the show. And while ignoring would likely be best, if we can't manage to do that, why should we treat him better than we treat eachother?--<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 00:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Cause that's what Dr. King and Gandhi* would have had us do. Also, it invariably leads to HCMs and bad blood all around. That said, I wish he would get the hint and leave. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 00:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Gandhi would also have had us sleep beside naked teenage girls, but that's a story for another time. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 00:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We're talking about Nx, right? 00:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hee hee. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 00:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally am talking about everyone here. it's halloween.  we should be out cavorting with the damned and teh dead.  :-)   course, i'm old, and my bed, two cats, and a hubby are much more comforting.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 00:23, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I've only had two groups of kids come by and only 2 kids of the 5 total were even wearing costumes. So I'm tabbing between this and The Addams Family Tytalk 00:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ima go watch part of one of the early Grudge movies (the Japanese ones) on DVD. It's pretty late & I want to go to bed, but promised myself I'd at least watch a horror movie for Halloween.  Goodnight all.  00:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Concering our treatment of Brx.
I agree i felt it was unfair for awhile and posted [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Brxbrx/archive4#Just_so_you_know. this]. His response was less than cheery. Combine that with his meta trolling yesterday makes me feel he in no way wants to be treated kindly. Aceace 00:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe I've had too much claret, but I think brx refuses sysop rights simply so he can cause these bitch-fests. He annoys someone till they snap, then wines about it. 01:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * that;s pretty much been my point all night. this is what he chooses to do.  why are we spanking our selves, much less punishing b-flat and ace for treating him as he asks to be treated.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 01:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Aceace 01:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So what should we do? Ignoring him is nigh impossible. 01:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, ignore him. It might be tough, but y'all are grown men.-- 01:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I just watched Full Metal Jacket. 01:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If he's heavier than a duck....B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 01:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm intrigued by your methods and wish to learn more. 01:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was on the ignore band wagon, truly i was. then some part of me snapped at his insistence on something fucked and stupid and well, now i'm as petty as I've been in a long time.  but fuck me the little twirp gets on my nerves.  "I am telling you how to edit, though i never edit", "I am telling you I'm french, though I'm clearly talking out of my ass", "I'm telling you not to mess with me, though i spend my days fucking with you (to ace, for example)".  and by the way "i'm being picked on, i'm being messed with. i can't defend myself.  it's mean.  you should make them stop or really make them go away, cause i know what rational wiki is and they dont'".  fricking 5 year old petty... ok, stop tanya, go eat chocolate.  life is fine.  it's halloween.  there's tons of chocolate around.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 01:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nutty, you are seeing me at my worst, but pretty much nothing comes out of his mouth that doesn't send me running for a baseball bat. Petty little me spent the day correcting his french article, just cause i felt petty and bitchy.  I need to learn this art of ignoring people.  it would serve me well.  sighs.   [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 01:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. I fell in love with you months ago. 01:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So you don't like how he talks to you? 01:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

MC protocol? B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 01:44, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Which one? The one where we let him cause cataclysmic HCM every few months or the one where we ram through a two-year ban? 02:34, 1 November 2011 (UTC)