User talk:Tmtoulouse/Archive11

Extension request
Tmt: d'you think you could download/install: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Sort I might be able to use it & it seems handy anyway. (dont tell me we've already got it) Susan  Purrrrrrr  22:46, 31 January 2008 (EST)

abuse of sysop rights
Please unprotect that page now! You have abused your powers long enough. I am going to start a de-sysop discussion. You leave me no choice. Bohdan2 16:17, 22 February 2008 (EST)

HPV
HPV vaccine FAQ rebuttal have at it! human  14:42, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Promotion
Who's gonna be teh uber-janitor if not you?-- -PalMD -- 19:16, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I HAZ ROOT!11!!!! 19:17, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Uh-oh. Did you lose your mind from the desysoping? DoggedamesP 19:18, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * What desysoping?. 19:19, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Who is "Airdish"? Your other sock? DoggedamesP 19:21, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * We are all socks. 19:22, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Of TK, right? Please, explain it one more time... DoggedamesP 19:23, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * No TK is the only non-sock on the internet, the rest of us are that guy that doesn't like him. 19:23, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wait, earlier you said there were two guys who don't like him, and we were all socks of both of them. What happened to the other one?  DoggedamesP 19:27, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well idiot, whats your explanation? TmtamesP 23:25, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Emphysema. 23:40, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Are you saying the second puppetmaster died of emphysema? TmtamesP 00:23, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Hello? Hello? Hello? TmtamesP 12:35, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm still waiting for a response tmtouwoo. TmtamesP 15:46, 28 February 2008 (EST)

new user rights group
I think we should have one called sock or sockpuppet. But what special powers would they have, or what normal abilities would be excised from their repertoire? Only being allowed to edit during "odd" hours?human  19:33, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wouldn't work, as almost all of the editors here are socks of each other. DoggedamesP 19:35, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * We should at least make a group called "Bohdan." I'm having a hard time keeping track of them.- 00:27, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Or a template. "I disagree.  You drive away all your new editors with your icky kool-aid."  Actually, it should be randomized... from his last ten comments, wherever they are.  Susan!  Help! human  00:30, 28 February 2008 (EST)

rename
Hello helpful Tmtoulouse. Will you please rename the DoggedamesP account to TmtamesP? Thanks in advance, Bohdan2 19:43, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I took care of it :-) - 19:44, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Whassamatta with TmthumamesMD? Sheesh!... human  20:01, 27 February 2008 (EST)

What luck!
I see you have just logged on. This is swell. I and the other esteemed users have been having merry discussion on the secret forums about your status on this wiki. Frankly, we are all fed up with your blatant disregard for the rules. We have decided unanimously that you are a burden here. We are going to remove your powers and block you at 12:00 eastern. Please say your last goodbyes, because we will be range blocking all of your known IPs. Again, this was all decided in the secret forums. All the best, TmtamesP 23:31, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * I have an infinite range! 67.135.221.99 23:33, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * I demand a link to these "Secret Forums". Also, server access beats all blocks.  23:33, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * It will be one of those special blocks, like you did to TK. TmtamesP 23:37, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * For the record, that block was hilarious. In retrospect.  We should try it again.  Also, what secret forum?  Is there another one that I'm not a member of?- 23:38, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Way to play dumb Ames. You practically led the charge. TmtamesP 23:39, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * TmtamesP is the only member with that level of access. 23:38, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Wait, you actually caved to that petty terrorist? 23:40, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Caved about what? 23:42, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * His constant demands to promote yourself. (Joke as it may be). 23:43, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Same rank as always. 23:44, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * I am so confused. What type of trickery is this?  23:47, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * I haz R00T......it gives me the power to change every single aspect of this wiki...user rights, names, blocks, logs, contents....anything at all with out leaving any trace... 23:49, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Oh YEAH, I sort of forgot the ultimate power that root access grants. 23:51, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Pinto, I am guessing he is a witchdoctor. Mcmaster university has an excellant program. TmtamesP 23:50, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Gentlemen, we are getting off topic. I am is the one thing holding us back. As long as I continue to turn out unmitigated drivel like this, we shall never succeed. TmtamesP 23:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Hello, Frazier. human  02:10, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Hey, since you run this fabulous and popular website, I created an about you. May I use your real name in the title? TmtamesP 22:07, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * Hey, timidityamespee, is your username a variety of tapeworm? And can you unblock my IP at CP sometime? human  22:11, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * Make (redacted) the ruler of this site and remove tmtoulouse. I still won't, but then I will tell you that I'll "think about it". TmtamesP 22:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * (redacted) will (might?) be back Monday afternoon, if he so desires. He can then commence his "rule". human  22:17, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * Well, honestly, (redacted), and (redacted) can go and (redact) themselves serially, if the (redacted) (redated) cares to (redact) himself.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 22:20, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Andy restored.
I couldn't tell why you deleted Andy, so I restored it, feel free to re-delete it if you think there's a good reason to. &mdash; Unsigned, by: NightFlare / talk / contribs
 * Well, it's just a redirect anyway. Isn't it a bit broad of a title to redirect to Schlafly, though? That is a bit like redirecting "George" to "George W. Bush", isn't it? human  18:00, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, from a quick search, the only non-CP Andy/Andrew that comes near the top is a reference from Andy Simmons and Andrew Mellow from a plaguiarized article, I doubt we'll have any other notable Andy article anytime soon. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 23:36, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
 * GodlessLiberal's name is Andy (Andrew) ... PS, you spelid palgiarizzed rong. human  00:25, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, I see. I'll disambiguate it now. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 00:46, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

I had erased it in a time, apparently long gone, when we cared about maintaining some semblance of integrity and purpose to the articles in our main namespace. 24.36.229.24 02:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Bwuahahahahahaah! Eh, we still try... try searching for "vegetable".  Dang. human  04:46, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Most amusing
Hey TM, I was updating the history of my sock 'NeverForget' when I discovered some wonderful edit wars you and I had over on CP! Very funny. I was at the time trying to write as much bullshit as possible, but you kept correcting me. O how I laughed when I read these. DogP  12:46, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Marcus...
You saw what he did to Susan's talk page, right? Blatantly sexist and completely over the line. I'll defer (seeing as it's your blog and all....) but I really think that was totally uncool and sanction-worthy...Peace. PFoster 11:48, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh I absolutely think it was well over the line, but I may not be here in 2 hours or whatever when he gets back and wanted a response to his claim that style of communication=rational or irrational. 11:51, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

My apologies
I couldn't reply earlier because for some reason even after I was unblocked yesterday I was still blocked. I would like to completely apologise for what was a completely out of order act. In my defense though, it was intended as tongue in cheek, and I didn't even think of the sexual connotations until I was blocked. Once again, what I did was intolerable and I hope you will accept my humblest of apologies. MarcusCicero 09:46, 12 April 2008 (EDT) (I'm repeating this message on Susan's page)

Templars
I was reading Foucault's Pendulum the other day, and in a list of conspiracy groups being rattled off, one group mentioned was the Templar Knights of Toulouse. This lends much credence to the theory that you're actually a member of the Templars, claiming to work undercover for the Rosicrucians, but actually working undercover for the Gnostics; also, you live in Atlantis (which you reach from Aghartha), your father was the Count de Saint-Germain, and the Holy Grail is hidden under the caps lock key on your keyboard. ThunderkatzHo! 21:30, 14 April 2008 (EDT) P.S. This is what happens when you're tired and bored. P.P.S. We should probably have articles on many of these if we don't already.

Thomas Toulouse, you're not still angry about me trying to frame you as a sockpuppet are you? SHahB 14:37, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I am the sock not the puppet. 14:39, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Wait, are you admitting to being a sock? SHahB 14:41, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

I might have referred to you as "uneducated". I emphatically take this back. I'm sure you're highly educated and will make a great neuroscientist or bartender or whatever. Again, sorry. SHahB 01:28, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I get those confused too. 01:30, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I know. They're pretty much the same thing. SHahB 01:30, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Request
Thomas, I found this: cp:User:Tmtoulouse/neuroscience project. There are a number of red links that need to be finished. If you are so bored, why not come back and finish them? Please, come back and finish the work. I beg you. SHahB 23:31, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah right.
 * Tom, keep your mind open. Please consider this.  make it a gesture of good will. Do it for me, your old buddy. SHahB 00:05, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Ads
Thomas, I find it hilarious that you can't get enough money from the generous liberals to pay for this site. But these ads really are annoying. I demand that they be removed, and that you tell us all how much each has given to the site. Thanks, SHahB 01:26, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree to the extent that I'd prefer everyone to kick in - I think I'm giving pi a month automatically. But in the alternative apparently these are bringing good cash for not a lot of intrusion.  Honestly, I don't see the ads most of the time.- 01:54, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I bet I'm giving more than you. SHahB 01:56, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Remember Matthew 6:3, Harmon. -- AKjeldsen Cum dissensie 03:24, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Good morning to you too, Abel. SHahB 03:29, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Come off it Bohdan, you're not fooling anyone. TMToulouse is your sock so you already know all the figures. And if you don't like the ads then take them away again. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis   04:53, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Ides
Shabby and I would like you to makes us Ides as well. I haven't discussed it with him, but it's sort of a given in his case. If you agree, we will reward you with precious dwarven gold.&mdash; Unsigned, by: 85.25.151.22 / talk / contribs 13:29, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Human has the list of Ides people not me. I am just the tech guy. 13:34, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * No dwarven gold for you, then.&mdash; Unsigned, by: 85.25.151.22 / talk / contribs 13:35, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * This ides you people speak about is...? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:37, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * E-mail me off site for info. 13:39, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You mean not using the E-mail-this-user feature? In that case I'd need your e-mail. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:42, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You can use that sure, or my e-mail is no secret ttoulouse@gmail.com 13:43, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I just sent you a very important e-mail. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:45, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * ...sweet. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 14:02, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Hey Trent, thanks for your email. I short, I agree, but I think that a sequence timing of a few microseconds more will give better results. Test it on me again, and I'll report back. DogP  14:04, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Also I'm worried about Prong #3 of the plan. We don't want to cause actual server damage, and I'm worried it could go that far- 14:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I have no idea what you're all talking about all of a sudden, but it sounds dashed exciting.&mdash; Unsigned, by: 85.25.151.22 / talk / contribs 14:15, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

OK, that worked really nicely - HGDM FGHF FS7D KJH8 LL9M PPXS 4DS2. DogP  14:22, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Having a seizure, Dogsbody?&mdash; Unsigned, by: 85.25.151.22 / talk / contribs 14:24, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, it'll be grand. It's a bit like watching Battlestar Galactica too.  When will the final cylon be revealed?  The answer in our case is: next week.  And it'll blow your mind!- 14:29, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I can already hear the accusations of cyberterrorism. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 14:34, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't worry—we have lawyer on hand, so there's no way we'd ever break any laws. Just look at Conser—oh, never mind.  -- 14:51, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Access problems
Trent, there's something weird with the hidden namespace. I keep getting kicked off can you check if there are some time limits on it? Don't forget some of us are in a different time-zone. BTW, we've now got over 50 units for the stooge dry-run. Genghis   06:50, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Questions
I have some questions that need answering, Tmtoulouse. -- 03:38, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Wpbot
Since you're changing user rights right now, you should probably take this opportunity to make me a sysop. Just to get it out of the way.&mdash; Unsigned, by: ... / talk / contribs 16:27, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank you. I will name my reign of terror in your honour :) &mdash; Unsigned, by: ... / talk / contribs 17:48, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I have also wanted to have a pogram named after me. 17:49, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Give me oversight and I'll see what I can do. Jellyfish! 17:50, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Nah, oversite is where we hide are super secret secrets. 17:51, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I am become sysop, destroyer of w-
 * No that doesn't scan. <font color="#800080" face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish! 17:53, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Nah the only Shiva around these parts is root. 17:54, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * rm -Rf public_html would really do a number. 17:55, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Root: you has it. *awed silence* <font color="#800080" face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish! 17:56, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yea but I only use it for bad when I am drunk. 18:00, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Whoops. I forgot that the redirect would still be there. My bad.<font color="#800080" face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish! 18:05, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * No worries. 18:06, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Wheel war
Wheel see about that. <font color="#800080" face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish! 20:47, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Hey!
Not fair. :( 16:53, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Life is not fair invertebrate.  16:57, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Beat you anyway :P 16:58, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

In which I let out a short, violent exclaimation
Damn it all! 17:00, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * There is always a bigger fish! 17:01, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You're not boasting about being bigger than a jellyfish, are you?? 17:02, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Only in the most metaphorical sense of the idea. 17:03, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow. You've got everything covered. Can I keep my talklink the way it is, or did you delete the redirect cause you wanted to try something more esoteric and codey? 17:05, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * No I just did it to intimidate and harass. 17:06, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Okedoke. I have to do some actual work now, so you should harass Lyra instead. Farewell. 17:08, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Sectional/series templates
Is there a standing "ban" on sectional and/or series templates for this wiki? Lyra Belaqua Alethiometer 16:53, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * There is no standing ban on anything other than TK, but I am not really sure what a sectional/series template refers too.  16:55, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * If you mean templates that are "nested", ie, one uses another, which uses another, which uses another... no, but try to KISS if you can? It makes them very hard to work on. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  17:30, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I mean templates that say, like, "This article is part of a series on stuff", and I meant also navigational templates that are at the bottom of pages like Wikipedia.  L y  r  a   (amberspyglass)  17:40, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * We got loads - look around a bit. 17:44, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Hardly. I have looked and have found three at most. Either they're not there or haven't been properly used.
 * post script reads: I am not noob, you know.  L y  r  a   (dust)  17:50, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * never thought you were, where do you think they're needed? 17:54, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * kulurz change in your signature... wheee! Anyway, sorry, I saw a picture of Hillary Clinton and was forced to inject antagonism into my post. Generally, I'd like to create a "God" series, a "Politics" one, for starters.  L y  r  a   (dust)  18:00, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Sounds good - I would really recommend copying what Susan did on the math/evo/help ones - they automatically list all the articles in a given category, and can display "better than title" text if desired. But, whatever you do, I'm sure it will help. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human  19:04, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Wiki bots
What are the rules about regular users writing bots for this wiki? BTM 18:23, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't think it's ever come up. 18:30, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It would converting articles like the atheism one easier, to put in the code to automate the stripping out of wiki code, such that people could paste in the code and activate the bot to strip it. BTM 18:32, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Good idea, but it'd save about (guesstimate) 7 minutes/month [[Image:Nods.gif]] 18:36, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorry BTM - didn't mean to be dismissive. It is a good idea - but could alternatively put cp: or wp: in links?  18:40, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Where does one put the code for the bot? 19:06, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't mean to be rude, but BTM's second comment above is unintelligible. Please don't write bots in similar code, k? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">ħψɱ [[image:anarchy dd00dd.png|15px]]<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ₦  23:14, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

second request
Tom, have you given any more thought to finishing this: cp:User:Tmtoulouse/neuroscience project? SHahB 22:25, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Unblock me. 22:36, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * If you promise to finish the project and be good. SHahB 22:40, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Wiki projects are never finished. 22:43, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * If you commence work on the project and promise to be good I will unblock you. SHahB 22:46, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I will edit nothing but articles linked from the project page. 22:50, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Is that a promise? SHahB 22:55, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yep. 22:55, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I will unblock you, but then I will have to reblock you later. Is that okay?  I can always unblock you again tomorrow for a longer period of time... SHahB 22:57, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Whatever. 22:58, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Unblocked, Tyler. Please begin. SHahB 23:04, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Reblocked, Timmy. You didn't resond after 5 minutes :( SHahB 23:09, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I was in the middle of writing an article which I can no longer save. 23:34, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Riiiiiight. Sorry about that. Can we do this tomorrow? SHahB 23:45, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Whack-a-mole lost interest to me when I was 10. 23:54, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Only two years ago? Or is that three? Seriously, I did unblock you and I will. SHahB 23:56, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, yeah, that attitude will leave him brimming over with enthusiasm to help you with your blog. --Gulik 00:00, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I see no reason to be polite to someone who whacks moles. That sort of barbaric cruely does not earn one respect. SHahB 00:08, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

The next time anyone at CP wonders where all their editors have gotten to, point them here. :-P --Gulik 23:55, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL Trent and Bohdanm you both my <3, heheheheehhheeh! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:26, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Whack-a-mole
Does this mean you used to whack moles? Sounds pretty cruel. SHahB 23:59, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Trevor, any interest in finishing the cp project? SHahB 22:17, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Is that a yes, Tyler? SHahB 22:57, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, the whole random reblocking thing pretty much kills it, I had rewrote an entire article on the temporal lobes and when I went to save it you had reblocked me. Waste of time and effort. 22:59, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thomas: I apologize for the reblocking. It was hasty. I am sorry. Please forgive? I waited 5 minutes to hear from you and I got nothing. The block was not random. I thought you were joking about coming back. Can you paste the article on temporal lobes here and let me copy-and-paste it to CP? SHahB 23:05, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * More importantly, why would you write it there instead of here? Dsn't mk sns! 23:02, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Regardless of everything I am busying coding wiki bots at the moment anyway. 23:06, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * EdBot could destroy your wikibots. SHahB 23:21, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes adding an 's' at the end of categories is great training for the battle royal. EdBot couldn't even get past ACDbot and he is retired. 23:23, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't get too confident, Timmy. EdBot has a secret strength you don't know about. SHahB 23:24, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * EdBot takes all of KenDoll's google hits and ascribes them to Ed!!!!!! Muuaaaahhahahah!!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:25, 6 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Can you paste the article on temporal lobes here and let me copy-and-paste it to CP? That way we would both be happy.  Its win-win. SHahB 20:54, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm ready whenever you are, Tipper. SHahB 01:09, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well Toulouse, where is the article? SHahB 22:38, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

unstubbing
Don't forget to change the "stub" template to "nostub" to block stubbot's next foray... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:59, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I am inside the stubbot code right now. The new indexbot now indexes everything where as the old indexing didn't. So I am having to write in code to skip redirects and I am also skipping articles marked with a fork. Now I am having problems with special character articles. 21:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Interesting, I see stubbot just unstubbed Expelled, which is a fork page. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:27, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

DISPLAYTITLE tag
...someone with deep level access needs to activate it, possibly with "$wgAllowDisplayTitle."...? Please? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:11, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Blatant plagiarism! But it's for a good cause, so all is forgiven.  ThunderkatzHo! 22:50, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank, Katz, I was working hard and simply forgot to quote you directly, 'kay? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:49, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Like I said, no biggie. It got the message out, which is more important than the source.  ThunderkatzHo! 23:51, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It all ready is, is there a problem with it? 16:35, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Other than it not working, no. It used to work, and I think when Linus upgraded MW we lost it.  I have this on my user page:  and it does nothing.  Am I using the wrong syntax, do you think? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:54, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The issue is complicated, 1.11 add normalization restrictions to the displaytitle function because of errors occurring in linking. I have gone in and changed the restrictive parser code to a less restrictive version and it seems to have overridden the 1.11 changes. But I need you to keep an eye out on things and see if it breaks anything. 17:20, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Excellent, it works again! Now the template below which you can comment out works perfectly! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:43, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

By the way, the tag used to add a brief line that said "link to this page as ... (realpagename)", now it doesn't, which is cooler, but also it's gonna have some weird effects, tee hee. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:46, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Oi!
Please block user:Loser number thirty seven. If you do, I will refrain from making any Trent Reznor jokes. They'd be so funny though. So funny. 19:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Never mind. AK got him. All is well. 19:11, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Article
Tamar, please paste the article here so I can add it to cp. Thanks, SHahB 14:06, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I didnt save it once I was blocked I just let it go down the black hole of the intertubes. 14:06, 9 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Was that meant to be ironic? SHahB 14:09, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Apostrophes
If I were a bureaucrat, I'd totally change your rights back, just to spite you and prevent you from protesting. ThunderkatzHo! 18:05, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I didn't really change my rights......... 18:13, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * P.S. apostrophes still suck. 18:13, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * We need them. I hate being a bot. 18:29, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I tried to explain them once to Tabitha, but his eyes glazed over and he ignored me. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:30, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Please stop
Stop making flagrant, boastful displays of your powers. We know that you will always be in control of this wiki. You don't need to do this. SHahB 00:37, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's fun. 00:41, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Let me start off by saying thanks for not logging out. But on to the important issue.  Why do you feel the need to do this? SHahB 00:42, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I guess it all started in the 2nd grade..... 00:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You see, now were getting somewhere. Tell me more... but before you do, please paste that article here for me to copy to cp. SHahB 00:44, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Nah it is too painful. 00:46, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What? Pasting the article or telling me more? SHahB 00:47, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Why both. 00:48, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What? That makes no sense? SHahB 00:50, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Make me a beerocrat again for a couple of seconds, would you? You can call it a "fragrant display" if you like. 00:52, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * TK was a sysop for about thirty seconds, so you should be satisfied, Shabby. 00:44, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Sysop
Please desysop me. I am against pretty much everything that this wiki stands for. while I understand that sysop rights are "no big deal" here, it still would make me "one of you," and I therefore cannot accept sysop rights. I hope you respect my position on this. Otherwise, I might have to leave. --CPAdmin1 14:01, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks --CPAdmin1 14:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Article
Mr T., will you please paste the article here? That way I can get it on cp ASAP. SHahB 01:58, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thomas, don't listen to Hank. He is, after all, a Danish superproleteriatismist! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:01, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

article
Tom, the article...? SHahB 22:50, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Last I checked, his name was Trent.  23:09, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Last I checked, it was Tabitha. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:20, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Speaking of which, Tabitha, you really have to get rid of those BRs in the imported Bible poop you are working on. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:23, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Stylistically isn't there suppose to be a break in those locations? 23:25, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, I don't think so. The page wraps are just an artifact of the printing/webbing system used.  The only "true" wraps are at the verse breaks.  Also, no breaks makes using them work better (as it is, they are only using a quarter or so of most screen widths). Imagine the ugly if they were pasted into a table cell slightly narrower than the hard breaks.  Ew. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:31, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You buy only the freshest imported Bible poop, right Big T?  23:26, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I say again, Timmy: the article...? SHahB 23:27, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Is available to purchase for $31.41. 23:28, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * SHahBby people don't pay for things, Big T. They panhandle for them.   23:30, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No Thurmond. You promised me a free article. Give it. SHahB 23:31, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Did you just call me what I think you called me? Unforgivable. 23:32, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Are you some kind of racist? SHahB 23:37, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Nice rejoinder, Terrence. (I meant the $10pi one) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:32, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ShabHole, as I recall, you also promised to Turpitude you would unblock him on CP so he could write it. He did so, but you had blocked him by the time he tried to save it.  I would react the same way, and stop wasting my time on your request.  The current price is $31.41, Canadian (or Euros!) preferred. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:34, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Gosh Huck, its a good thing no one cares about what you would do. I gave TmT time and he did not respond. Thus he owes me an article. SHahB 23:36, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tony gave you the article. You didn't let him save it on your blog.  The price will be rising soon, you might want to pay up while the offer is cheap, SlusHy. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:39, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tomás should be paying me for unblocking. SHahB 23:42, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Why should Big T pay you for what amounts to simple human decency on your part, a decency that didn't even last long enough for him to post the article?  23:49, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Theodore, you owe me 27.95 USD for the unblocking. With what method will you be paying? (and no, scientific method is not an option) SHahB 23:56, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course. Give him your bank account number, and he'll make the deposit.   00:11, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Compromise
You paste the article here. If it is indeed up to McMaster's standards, I will copy and paste it to CP and give you credit in the edit summary. You want that, don't you? SHahB 00:18, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Kan I pozt my building tradez pictures and artiklz hear too and you will pleez to maek me famus on cunsurfupeddia 2? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:23, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes. SHahB 00:25, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This sounds quite ludicrous lucrative. 00:32, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I kan haz pikchers soon! I promiss! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:36, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

article article
Hey Turpentine, two things. When are you going to pay up? SHahB 15:59, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 1) You owe me $79.50
 * 2) You owe me an article

article/give up
Seriously Troy, this is getting out of control. Why don't you do something constructive with your time? You could read a book, do some volunteer work, or hone your bar tending skills. Trying to take down Christianity is a waste of your time. And please give me the article SHahB 21:41, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Taggert isn't "[t]rying to take down Christianity", he's practicing his programming skillz. How the thing gets annoteated is entirely up to the mobsters. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:50, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I see SHahB as one of the Knights Who Say "Ni": "Bring me the article!"   22:52, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

And what credentials do you have to justify your attempts to take down Christianity? A degree in biology? A degree in psychology? A future career as a bar tender? Come on Tupperware, be reasonable. SHahB 13:37, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Christianity impeaches itself. 13:46, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tubby, that's exactly the way I would expect someone educated in Canada to respond. You do realize Conservative could say the same thing about atheism, right?  Then what?  Your response shows you have no idea what you are talking about, and nothing you say should be taken seriously. SHahB 13:51, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay. 13:52, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow Thaddeus. It takes a big man to admit he's an idiot.  You have earned my semi-respect. SHahB 14:06, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What good is respect from someone who has earned none himself?  20:35, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Err...
"Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '/', expecting ')' in home/rationa1/public_html/wiki/extensions/poll.php on line 50"  17:18, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Aye. 17:19, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

WIGO Numbers >10
Hey, just poking you because the new WIGO code seems to fail when the parameter is 11 or above. Somehow, they seem to take the value of parameter 10. Alternatively, parameter 10 and above all default to 10, I didn't keep track. --Sid 16:09, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks, on it now. 16:10, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Awesome, thanks for fixing it so quickly! :) --Sid 16:57, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

tit for tat
Now you broke my video game! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:14, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Proof
How am I supposed to do that--TherealDeborah 21:53, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Post on your user page at CP. 21:55, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Easy, type "rationalwiki" in a page at CP and tell us where to look. Oh, wait that won't work (try it).  Type "I made a page called Human page and no one knows why" somewhere.  Then either A) you're the real Deborah, or B), She is also having more fun than 100 microSchlaflies of mercuronium in a quartz flask. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:57, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I am going to type up link:Main Page on cp:User:Deborah/wikilinking --TherealDeborah 22:01, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I am going to type up " yahoo:car = yahoo search for car" then " car = google search for car" on cp:User:Deborah/wikilinking --TherealDeborah 22:03, 17 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Better idea just unblock me and reblock my account on cp. 22:04, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

" link:Main Page = yahoo search for link:http://www.Conservapedia.com/Main_Page" --TherealDeborah 22:05, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I'll type up a six digit number you pick which one--TherealDeborah 22:08, 17 June 2008 (EDT)


 * 666999 22:10, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

pick a different number no "666" or "999" in it --TherealDeborah 22:11, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 776988 22:13, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 1337XR <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:13, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

done --TherealDeborah 22:14, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't forget to show him that you did it elsewhere. Although I am sure he can read contribution lists and find it... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:40, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Jezuzbot
I think it's due time to experiment with an "instareverter" for any edit made by user:Jezuz* and you're the man to try the task! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:32, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I second Human's idea. Perhaps we should consider a bot that reverts any edit that adds "HAGGER" with question marks attached.  (Just plain "HAGGER" without question marks would be okay, so that way we could at least talk about it.)   17:36, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I am experimenting with a Bot that will revert edits to main space articles that remove more than 95 percent of the content. The problem is that it is harder than it sounds and that it wouldn't be hard for a vandal to figure out the algorithm and bypass it rendering the effort useless. It is a cost/benefit thing, but its on my plate. 23:47, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

I might have sent you a very important email in order to keep my sekrits sekrit and stuff
I might have sent you a very important email in order to keep my sekrits sekrit and stuff <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:35, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What sekrits? You already spilled all on your personal website.   02:20, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I always keep the river and turn to myself. Y'all can play with the flop all you want. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:28, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Icon -- fail
Nice idea, but it comes out the wrong shape entirely. You need something much smaller. 18:05, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Explain, or screen shot it so I can see. Works for me. 18:14, 19 June 2008 (EDT)


 * It does look a bit cramped - perhaps just the brainz part would be eazier to see? Or just text: "RW"?  Too bad they can't bigger, it could an image of "brains"/"brackets" - get it?  A ratio... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:01, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Upload any image you want to try to the site and I will convert it. 23:37, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just so people know, the "favicon" standard is 16 x 16 pixels and (I think) 256 colors. It's amazing what some sites do with such a small palette. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:49, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I tried to draw a brainz but it looks like a turtle so far :( <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:22, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I modified our logo slightly so that it's:
 * Square
 * Small enough not to be squashed beyond recognition when it's resized
 * Here you go: [[Image:LogoThatIsn%27tRubbish.png]] 08:59, 20 June 2008 (EDT)




 * Testing how it looks at 16x16. Better - less squished. The one we're using right now looks like the brainz got caught in a mobster's vise. Although the white separating the brackets from the brainz disappears... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:27, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Warning:page blanking in progress
The above message doesn't appear if the blanker types anything (even a space) into the comment bar. ThunderkatzHo! 11:32, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * True, but that surely isn't very important? You still get a massive bolded number telling you they've removed lots of text. 11:36, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * On pages with low character counts, that can be important. But I was merely pointing it out.  ThunderkatzHo! 11:38, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmmm, so whats the solution..............maybe have the message triggered by a percentage of content removal? Not just blanking? 12:41, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, the first "conditional" would be the page blanking warning. The second would be some percentage removal - 50%, say?  What is the message, anyway, a captcha screen before continuing?  Full blanking should be auto-reverted, but sometimes massive deletion of content is good editing (I remember removing a lot of the Magdalene Laundry article to leave the good parts...). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:21, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, I see what you mean. Having the message in the header appear in broader circumstances.  Hmmmm. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  14:30, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe I'm misunderstanding you (tmt), but I believe you may be misunderstanding me. The problem I brought up was not the percentage of content removed (though I now see that that could be a problem too).  The problem is that if they type anything in the bar for summary on an edit page, even a space, no blanking message shows up.  ThunderkatzHo! 15:32, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * GAH! I was going to block him! :( Stop making my demotion meaningless! *cries to herself in a corner* --<b style="color:#FF4488">Eira</b> <sup style="color: #220088">omtg!  The Goat be praised. 15:09, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Err
"Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /home/rationa1/public_html/wiki/includes/EditPage.php on line 351" While trying to + a section on talk:zero point energy (twice) 23:27, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, that's quantum effects for you.  23:28, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Aye, I am in your Wiki messing with the code. 23:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * How dare you sir! (Covers delicate parts with hands and glares fiercely at interloper) 23:36, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

donate link
Previously mentioned by others, the "donate" link has vanished from the left side junk. Pleez to fix, also, soon? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:36, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, I have put it back and "modernized" the support page with new information and fancy wed applets. 16:09, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I like the new donate link. And the fancy "countdown" (or up) "wed" applet... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:16, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I like it too - but the fancy-dan panel thingy isn't displaying on the left side?  It used to, and I think that was a good idea.   "Tithe To RW" isn't exactly the strongest call-out for cold, hard cash my friend.   I suspect Human and I (what other small business owners do we have here?) need to give you a lesson in fundraising and accounts.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  17:27, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Absolutely, the only training I have in selling anything is to government granting agencies, and some how I don't think anyone would appreciate my using those techniques here. 40 page limit on the support page? 71.222.242.224 17:30, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

mm
When are you going to get your 99 cent McMasters degree? --Rational Human 01:39, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, from observation and research, I suspect it will be costing somewhere around USD100*pi. And he must pay in exact change. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:42, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No checks? Rational Human 01:43, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, sir! Czechs are notorious spendthrifts. 01:46, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

I
just read Karajou's harassment messages to you on Wikipedia. Words fail me. 23:34, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Haha the FBI case number thing? That was hilarious 23:36, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, no, I think it was before that. He seemed to be suggesting that you had broken the law simply by setting up RationalWiki. Karajou appears to genuinely believe -- at bone-deep level -- that violating his principles is illegal. 23:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yea, the whole "the Canadian mounties are coming for you" it was the same exchange where he posted the FBI case number of the investigation. Everyone was trying to figure out what the hell he was talking about. I checked the code against the FBI to see what kind of case it was and the closest code that fit it was kidnapping. Then I said...wait.....if I was a complete schmuck what would I do to "report cyber terrorism." Well the answer was--Google it!
 * I clicked the first link on google and it was a private firm that "collected" complaints and "forwarded" them on to the FBI. So I submitted a fake claim and got a "confirmation number" that fit the format of the FBI number exactly.........ah good times. 23:45, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That's Classic RatWiki material! And that's the Koward all over, really :) 23:53, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

discuss
Toulouse, I would like you to clarify a comment you made a year ago here. You appear to express joy that higher education has a bias. Do you not agree that the academia should function without bias? You, yes you, are part of the problem Tulipouse. Bohdan2 00:05, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Nope, a reality based bias is a prerequisite for being able to educate. 00:07, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Dear Timmy, you must understand that your idea of "Toulouse reality" is, simply, flawed. "Toulouse reality" is something you made up.  Please try hard to understand.  Bohdan2 00:09, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok. 00:12, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It was that easy? Something cannot be right.  Did you give Human your password or something? Bohdan2 00:13, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, just found your rebuttal lacking in anything to respond to. Reality is separate and external from anyone person. Anything else is pure brain in a vat sophistry. 00:17, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * But, in reality, you were not talking about reality. You are a deceived individual.  What you, in reality, think is reality is really not.
 * But still, I infer from your comments that you think a leftist bias in education is a good thing? Bohdan2 00:21, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Define some specifics of "leftist bias" ? 00:22, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * General inability to look someone in the eye. 00:25, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Is that a joke? Bohdan2 00:25, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I would like to see a couple examples of what you perceive as an invalid bias in education. 00:33, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Lets simplify. Do you think that any political bias in higher education is acceptable? Bohdan2 00:37, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Clue in the clueless please.... what are you talking about? <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  00:38, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just some late night rambling, that's all. Bohdan2 00:39, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The professor of the class has complete control over its content and it is up to him to teach it how he wants, complete with whatever bias he has. Now if we are talking a "systematic bias" then I would like some specifics since so I can know what you are talking about. 00:40, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank you Timmy, for explaining how bias enters the classroom. But should not the individual professors strive to be as unbiased as possible?  After all, their job is to educate not to indoctrinate.  And why do you need specifics for a systematic bias?  Is any systematic bias acceptable? Bohdan2 00:43, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Nope, I see no reason for professors to avoid bias, why should they? Systematic bias that favors reality based educational is certainly to be lauded, however, some people feel that reality has a liberal bias. 00:45, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Lets be clear here, are you actually denying the possibility of a liberal bias, a bias much like the conservative bias at Conservapedia? Bohdan2 00:47, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The majority of professors are probably "left of central" by US standards and often bring their perspective to the class. But I would deny anything more systemic than that. 00:55, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok. Its always good to know what you think.  And Thorin, the more correct term is "left of center". Bohdan2 00:57, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Damn... this was so in the wrong spot... I meant that about the section above... about Wikipedia.... <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  03:59, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

media upload
Cant upload ".wav" (".wav" is an unwanted file type  List of allowed file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, svg). Should we be able to? 07:17, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I think this is an easy enough change to make, but I don't think mediawiki has a "player" for .wav files? 11:30, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Checking, I think they have to be ".ogg" 11:38, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

unblocking vandals
I know that either you or Human will soon go through the block list & unblock the various Jezuz, Grawp & HAGGER accounts. I would ask that you don't. When they have to make new accounts it gives us a window of time to notice them before they have a chance to vandalise many accounts. They fill up Rc in minutes & the reversions add to the pollution so the fewer the better. 09:06, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I tend to agree with you Susan, we can undo the vandalism but sometimes it is a reall pain in the ass. Now if we had a tool to undo all of the vandal edits in one go, rather than having to undo or rollback each edit (or worse, each page move) then I would agree to the more relaxed policy. A one click revert which also erases their efforts from RC might actually act as a partial deterrent to repeat vandals as it would require more effort on their part compared with our cleaning up operation. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    11:27, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I am in the processes of working on a couple things that I hope will help with the problem of established vandal users names like Jezuz. 11:29, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Eggsellent! 11:40, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * @GK, there is, or was a way to do that, by adding some command to the end of the url at their contributions. Then there's a way to rollback all their edits at once.  But I can't remember how to do it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:43, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I know because I was the one who first mentioned it on this site. However, it seemed to get broken after Linus made some changes. The trick didn't actually rollback all their changes it just kept them out of RC. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    11:49, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Reboot?
Have you tried simply rebooting the server? Do we have the ability to do that? --<font color="#00FFFF">λινυσ (☮) 15:09, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Sure, I can reboot anything including the server, however what does a full restart gain that just staring the apache server does not? 15:11, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I believe it clears the RAM. What did you do? The site is much snappier now. --<font color="#00FFFF">λινυσ (☮) 17:05, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Much! Whatever it was, it did the trick. Well done TMT. 17:16, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Homeopathy page
I tried to inject a pro-homeopathy reference (a collection of controlled scientific studies published in respectable medical journals, see http://www.vitalforceconsulting.com/researchinhomeopathy.html) into the Homeopathy page and was summarily reverted. As one of the primary editors of the page do you think this is the way to approach the issue?

Demosthenes
 * Let's take it to the homeopathy talk page? I will see you there. 15:08, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, please keep the article discussion at it's talk page, not scattered over several user talk pages. I copied your comment on my talk page and my reply to it there.  By the way, the link above is very low quality. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:26, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes I did
Signed, 01:36, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Crikey
What did you break now - or what do you need to fix now? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:12, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Bah its 2 am no one should care :). I am working on my vandal brake. TMTVandal 02:13, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yah, thanks. Can you at least put a warning up or something?  I just lost a complex answer to chaos, so instead of being able to answer, I blocked him for three days for blanking my user talk page.  Little prick... Good luck with the vandal brake! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:17, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Crikey2
What did you break now - or what do you need to fix now?


 * Warning: mysql_connect [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 'nobody'@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /home/rationa1/public_html/wiki/includes/EditPage.php on line 358

Error connecting to mysql

<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:12, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

vandal brake
OK, it works? But, only 'crats can alter user groups, right? And that is required to make it work (like there are, what, four users that should be in it).

Anyway, as teh beans guy said to me in IRC: "This all really defeats chaos' point." And I agree. It was a much bigger pain in the ass just blanking ten pages for you than it ever has been rolling back ten page blanks. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:35, 28 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Yea, moving a user into the "vandal" group should make blocking almost pointless as I can set it so that they can't make an edit for as long as we want. A user in that group that can only make an edit 3 times a day doesn't need to be blocked. I can also use the same strategy to brake editing rates from any category of users, such as brand new accounts or anonymous IPs. TMTVandal2 03:38, 28 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Of course needs a little more testing tweaking before doing anything drastic. 03:40, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Nice... so we should start a community standards discussion of what the "slowdown" rates should be for various groups of funny-smelling people, now? <\SNARK!><font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:41, 28 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Yea basically 3 categories of users, anonymous IPs, new accounts (<20 edits, <3 days old), and vandals. 03:43, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

But back to what beans said. We tried to break the wiki and it self-healed! First Pinto, then Arcan. Although I agree your machine is pretty cool. Will it say things other than "vandal!"? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:47, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It can say anything we want...and I am the one that's advocated not blocking vandals at all from the get go :). 03:48, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And I agree, and we even have evidence to argue our case! (the wiki worked faster than any bot could have!) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:46, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I say just set edit rate to once every few hours for "vandal" and move them into that category and forget about them. Then anonymous/new users at an edit rate of no more than one edit every 10-20 seconds. There shouldn't really be a legitimate need to edit any faster. And once they become "established" (which is not hard) edit rates are not limited. I think a plan like that could drastically limit what vandalism we do get and make blocking almost obsolete. 05:01, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Can you control the edit rate of individual users or is it by group? Incidentally, while I agree that we can rapidly undo the "normal" vandals the more malicious "page move" types are a lot more hassle to fix.--Bobbing up 05:05, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * On another issue - who will have access to this? If it's only you (TM) then you will need to be watching things 24/7 won't you?--Bobbing up 05:07, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I hate to say this, but I see no point in a "vandal brake", really. It would not make life easier to us or to them, and it will not be more morally acceptable. "We don't banhammer for ideological reasons, we just... slow you inferior Liberals down to useless, HAHA" would CP's version be. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 06:41, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Looks like a cool idea to me. Usually a vandal will manage at least five or six "hits" before getting stopped. I guess the challenge is to work as quickly as possible in order to see how much mess they can make, and then orgasm over the results in recent changes as people bounce them back.  If the system simply prevents them getting past one or two why would they even bother to start?--Bobbing up 08:09, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Individual users could be added but that would have to be manual. I think it is better to just move them into the vandal user right. At the moment only the crates can move people into the vandal category. Page moves is turned off for non-established users, and for any user in the vandal user group. And Ed@Cp, no one would use this on anyone but a consistent vandal. We are currently talking about permanent bans for these users. This is a method that for all intents and purposes can stop a known vandal account while still giving them access to the site. If they post "hey just kidding I will be good now" they can be moved out. I see this as a far better solution than a block. 12:29, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I like it. See my discussion with Susan on her  talk page.--Bobbing up 12:34, 28 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I want to see how it plays out, and if it works I will offer to sell it to Schlafly. 14:04, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually it did occur to me that it could a useful tool in other wikis.--Bobbing up 14:06, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Ummm...
Hey, yeah. The new system stuff (think It's called vandal brake) is supposed to allow one edit per 15 seconds, is that correct, as to avoid two quick edits. I tried to make my first edit of the night as an IP and it didn't work. So either someone used my IP, my computer, or there is a gli-t-ch. I don't think the first is possible, the second is probalby not either as there is no one who broke into my room 14 seconds before I edited just to edit RW. Of course I may have misread or done something wrong. Just though I'd drop you a line. -- *Gen. S.T. Shrink*  Get to the bunker  03:11, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey STS, this whole thing is in beta mode right now, don't expect it to work right yet! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:34, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * So, telling one glitch might help. That was a bit of my reasoning. Thats a lie. -- *Gen. S.T. Shrink*  Get to the bunker  03:35, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, absolutely, clearly reporting glitches is a good thing. "Clearly reporting" being a key here.  I just thought you were jumping in to "delta" testing mode and expecting everything to work.  Mia apologia. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:51, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't apologia. Although I did expect better. I mean it's already been at least 12 hours since Trent started, it should be perfect in every way by now. I mean sure it's a very complex system of wikifying that I couldn't accomplish with a full team of 200+ IQ programmers and Bill Gates, but thats no excuse for it to not work exactly right every time. (joke, just wanted to make that clear). -- *Gen. S.T. Shrink*  Get to the bunker  04:05, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehehe, you are absolutely correct in your expectations! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  04:14, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Question, had you recently made an edit with your logged in account, then logged off and tried to make an edit? Or had you not made any edits at all with your computer and it glitched? 13:53, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Vandal brake, take 2
I think that the brake doesn't affect their ability to relocate pages. I moved Jerkoff Molotov to that group with RationalWiki:Vandal and he still kept on relocating until I blocked him. ThunderkatzHo! 09:54, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * God damn it, I hate mediawiki coding practices sometime, this is fixed now. 12:22, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank you. ThunderkatzHo! 12:23, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Tmtoulouse - How did User:Revelation get past the system?--Bobbing up 12:58, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Get past in what sense? 12:58, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
 * See recent changes. He was created 17:27 and made five edits between 17:28 and 17:29.  I thought it would slow new users down more than that.  Or have I missed something. --Bobbing up 13:02, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, yea, there is a problem with "leading zeros" in the date storage. Mediawiki in its infinite wisdom is storing the timestamp in different formats depending on the time of day. This was leading to no vandal break between 10am-12am and shutting down edits from 1am-9am. I have been chasing my tail around trying to figure out the algorithm and think I might have it now. 13:13, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
 * YES! storing the timestamp in different formats depending on the time of day: well, of course you would do that wouldn't you?  Perhaps they should tie it into the phases of the moon just to make it a bit more interesting.  .-)  --Bobbing up 13:17, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

pregunta
Is there a tag similar to  that only applies to double bracket links (so that goats appears as goats )? I ask because it would be nice to stick around copies of CP talk pages so we don't have to worry about red links to things we don't want or need. ThunderkatzHo! 11:42, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No, nothing like that, I would say that the easiest way to deal with those is to run them through a find/replace before pasting them in. 12:32, 5 July 2008 (EDT)