Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive128

You're bored with CP? So are they...
Our article Famous American Buildings is number 5 in Google among 29,400,000 websites.

See: [33]

Conservative links number 6 among 28,300,000 - [34]

and Famous Bible paintings is number 1 among 2,930,000 - [35]

--Joaquín Martínez 20:11, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Wow, that's fantastic, Joaquin!!!! I went to change the name of the Sears Tower in Famous American Buildings because I heard it had a new owner, but I see that the new name will not come until June. Anyway, well done!--Andy Schlafly 20:49, 26 March 2009

I'd rather read recipes for diarrhea than most of what Joaquin contributes. CP has truly devolved into a free for all of special interests, with Andy patting each of them on the head every once in a while just to show that he's not entirely miserable, just mostly. Nutty Roux 11:04, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Interesting chain of links: I believe the Sears Tower is owned by the family of a guy who posts in the Laissez's Fair forum which also has an obsession with Conservapedia. I might have mixed that up with another building though. Runderful 11:37, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Have you ever seen such a load of hot air?
This helium-filled dirigible of nonsense is amazing - a vast doorstop of an article, loads of careful detail, acres of research, and all based on the most ludicrous premise. What a load of shit. It's amazing how some people just completely phail to notice a problem in their logic at Step 1, and they're still going at Step 2300. Classic example of utterly failed thinking and inability to see the wood for the trees. DogP  11:36, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Uh, excuse me, but it is not hot air. It is the inspired word of God/Mithra/Muhammed/Jesus/Baal/Zeus/Buddha/Allah/The Flying Rigatoni Teapot. (Please select one and ONLY one.) Jimaginator 11:44, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Look at his other contributions. He's swept up in the whole numerology/Bible Code mess.  Most of it reads like the TimeCube guy.  It will be interesting to see if Andy or TK react.  They seem to have little tolerance for true believers with unorthodox ideas (ignoring the unorthodoxy of their own beliefs, of course).  Stile4aly 12:31, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Andy's a Catholic, right (albeit an extremely conservative one)? I thought end times obsessions was pretty much the exclusive province of fundamentalist and evangelical Protestants. MDB 12:49, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Speaking as a fella who was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, knew all kinds of Catholics including lots of extremely conservative ones: Andy is unlike any Catholic I have ever known--if I had to guess his denomination, "Catholic" would be at the bottom of my list.--WJThomas 13:28, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * As a practicing Catholic and not wanting to sound like I'm defining a Scotsman, I'd have to agree with WJT here. ENorman 15:21, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * While raised a Catholic, it's almost certain that Andy was "born again" in some way when he rejected evolution/old earth stuff sometime in the last decade. He just doesn't seem to put it in those exact words.  Anyone know what church is is affiliated with these days?  ħ uman  16:09, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I'd love to know aswell. As a catholic whether I like it or not-Atheist, his MO doesn't seem very catholic. I'm surprised he doesn't say what his church affiliation is. 17:01, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's just so spectacularly incomprehensible (you're right about its likeness to Timecube Stile4aly).  I tried to read it and see what is going on, and beyond the fact that it seems to be based on the idea that 3.5 days=3.5 years, it's all just inserted nonsense or gibberish into pages.   Is this kind of writing symptomatic of any known psychiatric disorders?   Surely?   DogP  13:24, 27 March 2009 (EDT)


 * (EC) I tried, honestly I tried, to read it, but it reads like Von daniken at his worst (or time cube of course). It's unreadable and incomprehensible blather. 13:29, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I believe this is the prophecy (in which one defines days as years, or years as days, willy-nilly, and redefines the starting date and various "counting holidays", until one gets any date one cares to select) which allowed Christians to predict the Apocalypse of 2004 with such stunning accuracy. - Poor Excuse 06:03, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

TK, running scared
Didn't think this was good enough to WIGO, but it's still standard-fare for TK: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&curid=84099&diff=645200&oldid=645188

He thinks it's scary that almost 1 in 3 adults are turning more to The Daily Show and The Colbert Report for news, rather than normal news shows. --Irrational Atheist 16:57, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * And you don't think it's scary? They are comedy shows for heaven's sake. That was Stewart's point when he Called out MSNBC.  "I'm not the journalists, you are".-- 17:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't think it's scary so much as a repudiation for how the cable and network news stations have treated their viewers. --Irrational Atheist 18:03, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Better a comedy news show than no news at all.ENorman 18:05, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So about a third of people think that these shows are replacing 'real' news programs. This does not say anything (though I'm only basing this on CP's line) about where people are actually getting their news.  I read newspapers most of the day at work, I listen to NPR and BBC a fair amount, and I occasionally watch Daily Show/Colbert.  I suspect that they're supplanting 'real' news because 'real' news channels tend to focus on things that aren't stories.  "And that kitten played with that ball of yarn all through the night" -Lardashe 18:16, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * When news channels try to become "news as entertainment" the entertainers do a better job of presenting the news. --Shagie 18:18, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I agree.... I stopped watching CNN because they spend all their time talking about pop stars and missing white women, I have better things to do with my time than watch that drivel. I usually read my news online and watch Countdown and sometime the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC.  I also watch the Daily Show and Colbert report every night... But they aren't meant as news shows.  In fact, you really need the knowledge behind the stories before you can enjoy it.  I would consider TDS and CR more supplements to the news rather than replacements. SirChuckB  18:24, 27 March 2009 (EDT
 * "I stopped watching CNN because they spend all their time talking about pop stars and missing white women, I have better things to do with my time than watch that drivel." QFT. I hate it when the news says something I want to see, but it shows it AN HOUR LATER! LIKE WTF! Daily Show compiles all the lulzy stuff into a 30-minute show. So much better. [[Image:AndyToad.gif|20px]]Norseman  Cyser Melomel  19:39, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * TK, running scared. The header captured it all, for me.  ħ uman  01:12, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * A few months ago I've been in the US for almost a year for work related reasons, and I kinda understand what they say about the daily show / colbert report. Especially during the elections, the news was so shit and the politics sometimes so ridiculous, that comedy shows like that seemed to hit closer to what was happening than the official news channels. --GTac 07:46, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Ken still seeing into the future!
After almost four months, 🇰🇪 still has November 2009 stats on his page! Impressive, since he updates the page daily. --Irrational Atheist 21:37, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Thanks, now he fixed it. Gee, call a man an idiot for a typo?  (In his case, there are so many better reasons)  Sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of this CP-stalking...  ħ uman  01:24, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

"Let's not comment this one out"
Why not? It's a lame WiGO about someone who barely ever edited that left a tepid Partian shot. Big deal. --Kels 23:17, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I suggested that for the same reasons we were talking about in the "Commenting out WIGOs" section above. I agree with what you said entirely, and it was never my intention to defend its quality.  But I think it's possible to learn just as much from a bad example as a good one.  --Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  23:35, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It could do with a pun about a John/Jane Doe missing. - User   00:21, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Leave it and let it go -70, or edit it and improve it. Quit commenting out lame WIGOs, people!  It smacks of censorship to me.  ħ uman  01:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Agreed. People have to learn that their wigo is shit. Let the original wigoer comment it out in shame. 86.20.32.48 08:42, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Darlin


Didn't we do about two weeks ago? Also 🇰🇪, don't photoshop pictures unless you know what you are doing. Get a lot more practice before you show the world this shit. - User   05:06, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * By the way you an link to a sub section of an article just by typing in Conservapedia Talk:What is going on at CP?, all the wiki does is shove the http://rationalwiki.org/ in for you. - User   05:08, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Three tries later. What you want to type is Charles Darwin who was also an atheist . Two years as a sysop an you still can't do the basics. - User   05:10, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Nooo! The first Hitler pic is 16 pages down in cp:Evolution now! --Marty 05:34, 28 March 2009 (EDT) π, are you thinking of this pic?
 * Perhaps we need "Godwinski's Law" regarding MOAR SCHTALLIN!!!-- 08:51, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The picture on the right --> -->
 * I've got Darwin, Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Who are the other two? D-Notice 09:40, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * An old Dracula and Charles Manson. - User   09:46, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't think I'll ever understand the workings of the mind of the 🇰🇪. He's a grown man   child   , how does he think these things make his "articles" look anything other than ridiculous? -- 10:08, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Don't forget Stitwin! Incidently, they thought that the person who proposed it was me. -- 11:12, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Image has been nuked. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 13:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It was GFasten who first putthe Stitwin picture on CP on Ken's talk page. Ken then nuked his talk page, but the image got metioned here. GFasten then tried to put it up on the image uploads and then got banned for being a member of RW, since TK thought he had just taken it from here. BadgerBadger 17:24, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Holy Shit, Midterm!
The World History Midterm is available,and it's a doozy, folks!

It sounds like a quiz found in a copy of Highlights rather than a college prep class. "Match the philosopher," "Who lived between Moses and us?," riddles asking "Who am I?," "Death penalty for those falsely accused," "Fastest Fingers" question on dates of civilizations, Obama's speech last week, "Who spread Christianity?," "How is Christianity different?," "What religion is most like English?," "Which area of the world independently developed feudalism at the same that Europe did?," "Pick the number of the best Crusade!," "What commandment is best in Islam?," "Who wrote this Bible verse?," "What year is the first year 'Misogamy' was used?," and the best, "An example of modern chivalry for  would be all of the following EXCEPT"

Parents, get your refund checks. This man is no teacher. He's a crackpot and religious nut. You'd do far better having your kid taught through the mail. --Irrational Atheist 11:29, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Parents, claim punitive damages! The man's an absolute fruitcake! 11:40, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Parents, rise up and overthrow the tyrants of repression and atheism! Wait... What was the question, again? --Irrational Atheist 11:51, 28 March 2009 (EDT)


 * 3. The oldest known written work dates from about when?
 * (a) 3000 or 3500 B.C.
 * (b) 1000 B.C.
 * (c) 5000 B.C.
 * (d) 9000 B.C.
 * (e) 100,000 years ago
 * Wait a minute... Earth didn't exist in 5000 B.C. BCE and 9000 B.C. BCE! --  Nx / talk 11:58, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The closest answer to #3 is C, as indicated here 12:03, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

7. The following were reasons for the decline and fall of the Roman Empire EXCEPT: (a) inflation (b) barbarian attacks (c) lack of morality by the leaders (d) weaknesses in the Roman language of Latin (e) rise of Christianity among the people

Why do I not know the answer to this? My Andy-sense tells me that this might be the only time this question could be asked where the answer is e and not d.

And does question 2 even have a correct answer? I think Andy wants us to answer (b), but that would be incorrect AFAIK. Bil08 13:01, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

"33. Order these there rulers chronologically:" Srsly? There's some serious word-salads in this thing. Taytopacket 13:08, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I love the boys extra credit, option (c); thanking a girl for baking brownies you enjoyed. I wonder if you'd have to thank her if you didn't enjoy them.   13:13, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's funnier that one of the options for the girls is to lessen the stress on boys because they live seven years less than girls. --Irrational Atheist 13:17, 28 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Why is it that in every question three of the answers are so ludicrous as to be obviously wrong, leaving the student with a realistic choice of two? EddyP 13:21, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * To be fair, that's how all (American) exams are, not just Andy's. It's probably pretty hard to come up with four incorrect answers that are plausible enough not to be "obviously wrong", but still wrong enough to keep a determined pupil *cough*Addison*cough* from lawyering his way to an "A". Also, there's the risk that if you inundate the kids with plausible-but-incorrect "facts" on every test, they'll start to confuse the right answers with the fakes. --Marty 22:40, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Dude... What school did you come from? All the exams I've taken rarely have more than one "obvious" incorrect.  They usually have a obvious, two to three plausible (depending on the number of answers) and the correct answer. SirChuckB  03:39, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * "(d) insisting on participating in an all-boy activity like tackle football " ; I guess this is non-chivalry. Girls are expected to be cheerleaders, aren't they ?
 * Actually, Joan of Arch deserved to be burned. Barraki 17:36, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Edit tab
AFAIK, for qusetion seven there are no right answers.

A. Inflation caused by watering down of the currency weakened the roman faith in the monetary system

B. Barbarian attacks weakend the Roman Military and faith in it

C. Lack of morality weakened the government and faith in it

D. Latin can't express concepts such as humor, truth and faith. (I think this is the most correct of all the answers)

E. Christianity, with its individual approach to God, weakened Roman military and group values.

Correct if wrong, please. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 13:36, 28 March 2009 (EDT)


 * "Theemperor", if that's your real name, if you were not a liberal atheist you would admit that (D) is the correct answer as clearly as 2+2=4. Latin has no faults or flaws in regards to linguistic perfection. In regards to the World History Midterm Exam test, the correct answer is (D). Ole ole ole! --Marty 14:12, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Who the heck is "Paul of Taurus"? (Q10)  ħ uman  19:13, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He saw Jesus at the Ford. --Marty 22:36, 28 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Saul of Taurus was a Jew who actively persecuted (re: Stoned) Christians for heresy in the early years of the church. Supposedly he was stuck blind by god (might have been Jesus) for doing so, and was later healed (i forget how).  He converted, changed his name to Paul, and defended Christianity with the same vigor that used to attack it with.  IIRC, based on his letters in the new testimate, he believed Jesus was going to return soon (like in 20 min soon) and was very anti-"of the flesh" kinda things.  Not just no gay sex, but no sex at all if you can manage it.  From my experience growing up catholic, he is generally treated with the same kind of reverence Peter is.  --ScottA 22:31, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * (For those who don't know, the figure ScottA described is Saul of Tarsus, a.k.a. St Paul.) --Marty 22:42, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Shit, I know who Saul of Tarsus is/was - he wrote most of the crappy parts of the NT. I asked, I reiterate, who the fuck is "Paul of Taurus"? Marty might have come closest to an answer...  ħ uman  23:23, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He saw Jesus at the Ford.  What I meant to say was, he wrote a lot of bull. --Marty 02:16, 29 March 2009 (EDT) Aquarius, being a deceitful Libra, he stayed a Virgo all his life and died of Cancer. Leaving the rest of us to pick up the Pisces.

Question 27
27. The Punic Wars culminated in:

(a) victory for Hannibal

(b) Julius Caesar’s finest hour

(c) Pax Romana

(d) Roman brutality in salting Carthage

(e) an apology from Rome

I pick none of the above. Per the mob-run Wikipedia:

"'Through a series of misunderstandings, a belief that the Carthaginian farmland was salted to ensure that no crops could be grown there developed in the modern period.'"

and

"'The popular story that the ground was seeded with salt was invented in the nineteenth century as there is no evidence of it in any ancient sources.'."

Another liberal cover-up? Were there liberals back then to practice deceit? Since Hannibal lost and this is pre-Caesar and Pax Romana, is the answer (e)? Teabag 05:14, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Lest we forget
As inane as Andy's papers are, Anglos here shouldn't overlook that they're actually more difficult than state school GCSEs...

GCSE Science (Edexcel, 2006)

''Our moon seems to disappear during an eclipse. Some people say this is because an old lady covers the moon with her cloak. She does this so that thieves cannot steal the shiny coins on the surface. Which of these would help scientists to prove or disprove this idea? ''

A) Collect evidence from people who believe the lady sees the thieves

B) Shout to the lady that the thieves are coming

C) Send a probe to the moon to search for coins

D) Look for fingerprints

GCSE Science (Edexcel, 2006)

Many people observe the stars using

A) A telescope

B) A microscope

C) An X-Ray tube

D) A synthesiser

GCSE Biology (AQA 2008)

When we sweat water leaves the body through…

A) Kidneys

B) Liver

C) Lungs

D) Skin

Higher paper in science GCSE, Edexcel

''At the astronomical club Alec and Louise discuss the possibility of intelligent life existing on other planets. Which of the following statements supports the possibility of existence of intelligent life in our galaxy?''

A) The galaxy is expanding very quickly

B) The earth is over four billion years old

C) The search for extra-terrestrial intelligence has spent millions of hours analysing signals from space

D) There are so many stars in the galaxy

And you wonder why homeschooling is on the up in England and Wales? My 7 year old almost pissed himself laughing at these, and I'm seriously considering putting him in for the exams next year. Fox 07:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Suddenly, I feel like a genius, even though I just lost a few brain...stems, no that's not right... dammit, WTF just happened?--Nate River 17:47, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Wait, what the fuck? When did GCSEs become multiple guess? Damn, now I feel embarrassed for my country. -- 11:59, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Remember that there are different science papers for different levels - those look like the combined subjects paper (which, if I recall correctly, only lets you get as high as a "C" grade). It has been about 7 years since I was doing GCSEs though. 15:11, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

A voice cries out in the wilderness...
... and gets no answer. New user Kriegerdwm asks for help, but nobody responds, possibly because they're all over at PJR's new wiki. My pithy observations are: --Simple 12:43, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Kreigerdwm is bringing to numerology what BertSchlossberg brought to KAL flight 007.
 * It's really dead at CP.
 * CP feels sorta like the old downtown JCPenneys store the day after the WallMart opens out on the edge of town.
 * Not much activity at CP any more.
 * Mighty quiet at CP; a little TOO quiet.
 * Krieger's only contribs have been to the one article, to which he has been the only contributor. Sad ... 12:48, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Holy crap that dude is roxxoring CP. It's pretty much just him now.   13:03, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Looks like only him and RJJ doing much of any contributing to actual articles at the moment. TK doing a little talk, and Koward blocking, but neither of them are really serious about articles in the first place. --Kels 13:23, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Last Conservapedian to leave (Andy, TK?), turn out the lights. What? Oops. Arithmostoutheriou 07:18, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Hahaha, sometimes you just have to laugh at TK. As always, he's continuously refreshing RW and noticed Toast saying that Kriegerdwn was the only contributer to the article. So TK thinks "I'LL SHOW THEM!" and contributes to it half an hour later. Well played, TK, you sure showed us! --GTac 07:32, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * TK added a |2 to the reflist & JY23 added a cat. That's it, wholly Kriegerthing otherwise still. 15:17, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Turn off your lights!
Cripes, if that's the response Earth Hour gets, I'd like to declare tomorrow Don't Slam Your Penis in a Door Day. Have fun, TK! --Kels 22:59, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I dunno Kels, how else would TK get his thrills without slamming his member against a solid oak door frame? Ace McWickedRevolt 23:09, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I might add, if JPatt isnt a parodist (or lying) what an utter fuck wit! What logic or lack thereof would make someone do such a thing. Firstly, think about your own power bill, secondly WTF! It seems childish, pathetic, arrogant and totally mind boggling. Personally I am slightly skeptical about how much humans contribute to global warming however I dont just waste power willy nilly for the sake of making a point. Fucking idiots. Ace McWickedRevolt 23:21, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I turned off a double eight foot fluorescent fixture I just sort of used to leave on as a weird kind of night light. Saved $15/month.  PSNH actually noticed.  Anyway, back on topic, sort of, Tun On Your Lights and Take the World History Midterm Exam, ye uneducated Libruls!  ħ uman  23:34, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Apparently These people find it logical, so that we "Don't look like North Korea" from space. Since when has caring about limited Natural Resources and the world around you become so partisan? I always it was one of those things that everyone wants to do (Preserving the enviroment), some just had different approaches to it (Whether through "Hands off" kind of policies, or more direct government control), but I am now seriously having doubts. --Passerby25 23:58, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It really really REALLY fucks me off that some can think that caring for the world in which you live is a political or religous issue. Because it isnt. Ace McWickedRevolt 00:02, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Me too, I didn't participate due to absent-mindedness (sorry), but the fact that people make caring about our enviroment (not just how) a fucking partisan issue is bullshit. Also, found this bitch claiming we should make it "Human Acheivment Hour".--Passerby25 12:30, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * As for myself, I spent the last hour studying Java and Evolution by the light of the moon (and a flashlight... I needed to be able to read). My laptop was turned off, all the lights in my room were out, and the weather outside by the tree I was sititng at was a cool 51. And do ya know what? I had an alright time doing so. [[image:smiley.gif]] 00:03, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Confession: I didn't participate :(. BUT, I didn't because I spent all night working on a report for the ACLU. I think that's an okay excuse, no?-Diadochus 00:40, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Commie! I missed the whole thing. How about if I turn of my lights (or my main breaker?) for an hour tomorrow? Better idea.  I was without power for five days last December.  I burned about 30 gallons of gasoline to keep the food cold and the house warm.  Reality check?  How about moving "boycott the electric company" day to whehn it's fucking warm out? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  01:07, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

(undent)I'll admit that I didn't participate, but that's mainly because I never turn the lights on in my room anyways and only use one power outlet. That and I forgot ENorman 01:25, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I didn't really participate, but I was out at a bar playing ping pong and shooting pool.... But two things I found funny about their comments was this: "packed with leftist symbolic poppycock and jingoism" - TK. But these are the same people bitching because World Trade Center one is going to be called.... World Trade Center One and not the Freedom Tower.... Make up your minds people. Also, JPatt wrote "I dedicated my Earthhour to capitalism. All lights on, TV on, computer on then left my house."  JPatt, if you're reading, that would actually be the opposite of Capitalism.  A Capitalist would say "I can maximize my profit margins by not spending money on energy I don't need." What you did would be considered a dedication to stupid. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  03:51, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

This is a classic case of "Liberals have an opinion? TIME TO HOLD THE EXACT OPPOSITE OPINION THEN" 86.20.32.48 05:08, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * QFT EddyP 06:41, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I didn't participate either, but I'd like to think that I've done something more effective: I've reversed the colour scheme on my internet browser. I now have black backgrounds and a grey-ish lettering on every page I visit. D-Notice 08:28, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Unfortunately, you almost certainly think wrong. Using a black color scheme doesn't save any energy if you're using a backlit LCD monitor. And if you're still using an old CRT monitor, you'd save vastly more energy by simply buying a newer monitor. --Marty 14:55, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

But TK already slams his penis in a door every morning. How else do you explain his attitude? Vulpius 09:28, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Conservative Education
EXTRA CREDIT:

(Girls only) An example of modern chivalry for girls would be all of the following EXCEPT:

(a) protecting a young child whose parent is distracted by something else

(b) thanking a boy who offers to help carry something

(c) lightening the stress on boys and men, who live on average 7 years less than girls and women

(d) insisting on participating in an all-boy activity like tackle football

(e) welcoming a boy when he might feel awkward

(Boys only) An example of modern chivalry for boys would be all of the following EXCEPT:

(a) protecting a girl from danger that you recognize but she does not

(b) showing good sportsmanship after winning or losing an athletic contest

(c) thanking a girl for making chocolate brownies that you enjoyed

(d) showing initiative and welcoming a girl when she enters a room

(e) making a joke at the expense of people having physical handicaps

Well, at least I know the answers he wants for these. I'm too speechless for a snarky remark Teabag 05:19, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I am slightly worried about the world Andy lives in, apparently people are constantly in danger and require protecting from their own negligence. Who are these girls that can't see a danger until some boy jumps out and saves them? Also why don't any of the girls I know ever bake me chocolate brownies? - User   05:47, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * "Also why don't any of the girls I know ever bake me chocolate brownies?" Because they're librul. Duh. --Just passing by 10:04, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So are they... Oh see that makes them unchivalrous, I'll have to explain that to them and then will back me browines so long as I hold the automatic sliding doors open for them. - User   05:53, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * When I read stuff like that "save them from danger they don't recognize," I start to think Andy considers himself a superhero. One dark night, Peggy Pillman, reporter for a small New Jersey area CONSERVATIVE website stumbled upon a dark alley.  She walked down the dimly lit area with no knowledge of the dangerous animal rights activist homosexual public school teachers lurking in the shadows.  Before she knew it, they were stalking her from behind, ready to abduct her and use their Obamaesque mind control techniques to ruin her wholesome values and force her into the world of pop music and abortion on demand.  Suddenly, with a flash light and a bang, here comes......... AndyMan!!!! Disguised as a mild manor attorney for the AAPS, he prowls the night seeking all those who refuse to open their minds to the absolute truth and unique humor of the Christian viewpoint.  AndyMan descends upon the liberals with blinding speed.  From the darkened alley, the sounds of a violent struggle and a hearty GODSPEED were heard before AndyMan emerged from the depths, chivalrously carrying the now unconscious Peggy, her frail temperament couldn't handle the stress of the battle.  With love in his heart, AndyMan flies Peggy back to his apartment, placing her gently on her bed.  The next morning Peggy awoke, sure that the events couldn't have happened.  They must have been just another bad dream.  As she turned on her light, she spied on her nightstand, a copy of the King James Bible, in Greek, the greatest of all languages and Phyllis Schlafly's "A Choice, Not an Echo."  It was then that Peggy understood she had indeed been saved by the crusader for all things good: AndyMan. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  08:02, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * As the number of edits on CP dwindles to a trickle the stupid becomes more concentrated. StarFish 08:02, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's like draining a septic tank, take away the water and all you're left with is the shit. <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:04, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I rather like that girls should do what they can to "reduce stress" in boys. I could have used that in high school and college - brownies would have been nice too 67.72.98.45 11:43, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Maybe that explains Andy's obsession with chivalry -- not enough girls helped him "release stress" during college. Heck, maybe that explains Andy in general... MDB 10:35, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, Assfly!

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, Assfly!

Assfly, Assfly, Assfly!

Today's episode: Enter. the Liberal!--Nate River 18:00, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * SirChuckBI, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Teabag 20:29, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

That picture is almost enough to put me off men for good and make me into a heterosexual. I'm going to need to a few hours watching gay "naughty movies" just to go back to being queer. MDB 08:46, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Thank you Teabag, no newsletter yet... But a blog is in the works... Stay tuned for more information as events warrant. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  11:09, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

News item competition?
About the link from the WIGO about Andy admitting that they need better news items.. What bugs me is that he states: "'This a basic difference between conservatives and liberals: conservatives believe in competition as the solution, while liberals believe in control as the solution.'" Really now, Andy? So what is this competition in your news items that you speak off? Cause it seems to me that there isn't any competition at all, only your deranged censorship of everything that doesn't spew hatred at the LIBRULS. That's control, not competition. Competition would be if, oh I don't know, people could vote on the news items so the best ones get more attention. Oh but I forgot, you only know how to do retarded knee-jerk responses, right? Open your mind and don't let thought interfere! --GTac 07:58, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Also By the way, note how few liberals take the World History Midterm Exam. Er, exctly where these liberals are supposed to come from defies all logic as they have banned anyone whom His Madness deems a liberal. <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

"'This a basic difference between conservatives and liberals: conservatives believe in competition as in 'survival of the fittest', while liberals believe in control by an almighty God. Wait, can I try that again?'"
 * Hahaha, I hadn't even thought of that! --GTac 10:52, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * If they let people vote, how long do you reckon it would be before people started getting blocked for voting for "inappropriate" news items? Five, ten minutes perhaps? -- 11:31, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Isn't the WIGO vote anonymous? ENorman 13:11, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Up into the sky. Matt oblong 14:20, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * survival of the fittest vs. God... To be fair, even accepting the liberal=atheist-evolutionist conservative=Christian dichotomy for the moment, just because I believe natural selection happens doesn't mean I think it is morally correct to apply natural selection to everything. And (presumably to a lesser extent) just because a religious person believes a particular God exists doesn't neccessarily mean they think it is morally correct for that God to control everything (see also: free will). In fact, it might even go the other way: perhaps people who believe nature is fundamentally "red in tooth and claw" are more inclined to support big government as a countermeasure, while people who believe God has it all under control are more likely to let things go to pot. Really, I think Belief and political leanings are basically orthogonal. --Marty 15:05, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

What I love about this is Andy's idea that people can prove their intellectual ability by taking an exam designed for 16-year-olds. That might be the measuring stick by which Andy props up his own self-worth, but it's strange for an adult to think that way.

This is especially strange since Andy has had some other intellectual/academic achievements: he's published a few engineering papers in peer-reviewed fora, and he also graduated from some pretty impressive schools. Coarb 19:24, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * George W. Bush has an Ivy League diploma, too. --Gulik 20:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Silly Aeroplanes
Dear other gentlemen on the other....

YOU'VE GOT TK ON YOUR SITE! GIVE UP! Matt oblong 14:22, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * "You guys just don't have the "right stuff" to do parody effectively, because without exception you resist attempts to validate your real persona"

The voices in TK's head are being typed out. How long can he hold on? Matt oblong 16:34, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Strange that, because I can flick to 30 or more hardly obscure CP articles right now and see some great parody. Perhaps Teacake just doesn't have the "right stuff" (eg common sense/education) to spot it? Or maybe he knows its there but as a parodist himself he likes to leave it in... Fox 16:40, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I don't claim to be particularly good at spotting parody, but for fun I just went through 20 random pages. Here's what I got:
 * Stubs: 	13
 * Terms List:	1
 * Short articles, apparently clean:	4
 * Longer articles, apparently clean:	1
 * Anti-liberal smears:	1
 * I must say, it's easier to spot parody when the entirety of well over half the articles are one sentence long. --Kels 17:07, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Gee, I wonder why few people like to validate their identities, Mr. "I mention all info I got on people in public because I feel like it". And from the same post: "Save one or two parodists, none has escaped my exposure/blocking over the past several years." - I guess that's because you basically ban anybody you dislike in any way, TK. And thanks to you and your proxy sysops, the rules are now basically reduced to "You may only negotiate your block with the sysop who blocked you. In private. Oh, unless your mail happens to be blocked. Then you're screwed". Oh, I forgot the few people you don't ban: Bugler-ish people and all those who behave like the biggest assholes because they help you drive people away from CP. --Sid 16:45, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Mr. Schlafly is my friend - LOL. Does anyone want to start a list of all the "friendly" comments TK has made about Aschlafly? <font color=Blue>Генгис    16:52, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * One day, maybe Conservapedia will implode and TK will have his victory. Then he'll wake up the next day and wonder if all the time he spent trying to make this happen was worth it. Matt oblong 16:55, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually, TK is much better about name dropping this time around... Since I started monitoring CP, I have seen him claim to be personal friends with Arianna Huffington, Oliver North and one of the supreme court justices... and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  11:10, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * My favourite was Andy's "Godspeed" to TK when he was kicked out in 2007. He expressed incredulity that TK had fallen on top of Nancy Reagan during a security alert. Silly Andy. <font color=Blue>Генгис    11:47, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Hmmmm. I don't remember that one... But I only signed up here in July of 2007, so I was still pretty new. TK is like the Forest Gump of CP, he just keeps running into all these famous political figures.  Strange that nobody has ever heard of him though, isn't it. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  11:57, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Even as I type I'm certain it has been memory holed, but does anybody have a diff or ss of that? It is too delicious not to want to see. Fox 13:49, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I remember TK was good buddies with Ed Meese, too. I wonder if Meese remembers him? --Kels 13:59, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

If Only...
If only Alzheimer's sufferes were armed none of this would have happened eh Andy? StarFish 14:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Seems in pretty poor taste to make an andy-jab when andy hasn't actually made any comment on the incident yet. Runderful 05:29, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Ashley Biden WIGO
I think the WIGO about Ashley Biden isn't quite right. It wasn't Ashley Biden's friend supposedly of video "taking a skiiing trip"; it was Ashley Biden herself.

The point still remains -- its CP spreading gossip, which they supposedly oppose. And it doesn't seem very chivalrous to trumpet rumors about a young lady, either.

The annual CP talent show, posted on YouTube?

MDB 16:44, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * It probably isn't true, considering the source of the video was anonymous. And it does seem rather hypocritical of them. Although, I do hope that it turns out false. On another note, someone keeps changing what I WIGO. I know I am knew here, and could perhaps phrase things a little better, but could they at least let me know if they erase my edits? --Passerby25 17:32, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * As mentioned somewhere above: It's a wiki. Sorry but you don't "own" it - once you've pressed "save", you lose all rights. If anyone's doing a major alteration they usually comment either in the edit comment or here. 17:35, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't see how it matters one way or the other whether it is true or false. Dubya almost certainly did blow in his younger day, and nobody used that particular thing to question his effectiveness as president. If Jerry Falwell was to be believed, Clinton did too, not that I think that now almost-certainly-not-in-heaven nutter is a reliable source. Kids do drugs, it's a fact of life. In most cases it doesn't do them any harm, and they grow up like me a boring old fart who doesn't know where to score drugs any more. -- 17:50, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Sorry Passerby, I usually don't touch other people's WIGOs, but I just thought the rewording worked better. I'm with all of the above who love the hypocrisy of CP cherrypicking the actions of politician kids as a reflection on their parents.  For example, I don't see any mention of Mike Huckabee's son, David, in the CP Huckabee article.  David showed the results of quality conservative parenting when he was fired from his job as a camp counselor for killing a stray dog by hanging it, and Mike fired the head of the Arkansas State Police for not doing enough to help make the incident go away.  Here's the story, with a bonus pic of the kind of true conservative Andy wants your daughter to be marrying (but not his daughter, I bet). --SpinyNorman 18:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Its fine, I really don't mind. I was just complaining for the sake of complaining, and I want attention :P --Passerby25 21:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Just pull a CUR and brag about your obvious CP exploits :-) Relax CUR, it's just a joke. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  22:08, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

WesleyS
Gone. What was he doing there? Matt oblong 17:20, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * EIther trolling, or trying to convince Andy that all liberals aren't that bad. You'd probably be able to teach Andy how to breathe underwater without killing himself before you could do the latter though ENorman 17:39, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't understand why TK is so quick to lock a users talk pages - maybe someone wanted to say goodbye and good luck to him. And why delete other users pages entirely.. especially when the editor has made hundreds or thousands of edits.. now their name is a red link all over the place. <font color="#000066">Refugee <font color = "#00F0A20">talk page 17:53, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, CP is like RW. All the serious editors are sysops already. Just CP has a lot less sysops than RW does. -- 17:54, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * ETrundel and I say good luck to him. CPalmer expected to follow soon. EddyP 18:08, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I can breath underwater without killing myself... it is called SCUBA diving ;) 18:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * REAL conservatives don't have to breathe underwater - they walk on it instead. --SpinyNorman 18:13, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Besides, SCUBA is probably too complicated for Andy. He'd say air is liberal. ENorman 18:16, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Hey, wasn't RADAR a Good Conservative Word at one time? If one acronym can be, why not another? MDB 19:30, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Radar was a character in M.A.S.H. - a vile liberal "entertainment", and therefore NOT conservative. 17:19, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Bit sad really, Mr. WesleyS. You join, you make, and I'm not kidding here, > 8500 edits in nearly five months, almost all of which were tiny admin edits - cats, re-cats, templating and the like. You gain block rights from Der Fuhrer, yet two months later you walk. Seems like a whole hell of a lot of wheelspinning for nothing, frankly. WesleyS - learn to use your time more wisely next time! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  20:53, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Edit
They've turned editing off. -- 18:24, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

I can still edit. (Matt oblong 18:26, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You don't get a little 'view source' tab? Interesting. See, one of my older socks is trying to edit. It says 'view source.' Any ideas? -- 18:32, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * They've gone to night-editing that's all. Matt oblong 18:34, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Bit early. -- 18:36, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Ah, they're saving power! How liberal of them. Totnesmartin 18:37, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Shh! I don't want my stealth sock blocked! I've mantained him for a few months! -- 18:40, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Hate to break it to ya CUR but your sock is painfully obvious. Ace McWickedRevolt 18:47, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I know. Or at least, I think you know. -- 19:14, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * But TK hasn't shown up yet, so I may be safe. Anyway, he has no proof. -- 19:17, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He needs proof? Vulpius 19:20, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * At least to himself. See, he doesn't know which sock is mine. He knows nothing about me. -- 19:22, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR I suspect he doesn't give a shit about you. Stop mangling the talkpage history. - User   19:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR, you are a nitwit. TK reads here, you always go on about being a therian (what ever that means), you create a sock, you write on said socks Userpage "I am a therian". Not to hard is it? Particulalry as it was the same username as yours on aSK. Ace McWickedRevolt 20:10, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Fantastic, you have just outed me. I was trying to drive 'em nuts. Dahm you. -- 20:20, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Dude. CUR. It wasn't that fucking hard.-Diadochus 20:23, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You outed yourself, idiot. And you were already banned. Idiot. Ace McWickedRevolt 20:23, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You should threaten to shoot TK from a helicopter.-Diadochus 20:25, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR back when you started here you said you were an expert on undermining Conservapedia and everyone laughed, this is why. - User   20:27, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I never claimed to be an expert at undermining CP, I claimed to resist them. -- 20:29, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You named yourself "strategic planner for undermining CP" here. - User   20:32, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You can't ever detect one of my jokes, can you? -- 20:36, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It is hard to identify a joke if it isnt funny. Ace McWickedRevolt 20:38, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC)I find everything you do funny, whether it was intentional or not. - User   20:39, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * H"Ha Ha" funny? 76.24.103.75 21:00, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Therians aren't funny. Not even ironic funny, even to a bunch of rationalists. Nutty Roux 21:29, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That was quite the most funny passage of text I have ever read in my life. Thanks to all involved. Matt oblong 04:38, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Things named after places
Aaaargh. The wrong is making my brain bleed. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:31, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I produced more intelligent things than that "entry" in my potty when I was 2. Ace McWickedRevolt 20:11, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I like the entry on Dutch oven, does it have any other meanings than the only one I know? - User   20:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The non-fart related meaning is a cast iron pot that you'd bury in coals to cook your food. Jr  ss  r5  21:02, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That is why nothing should have a non-fart-related-definition.....Just my Farthian shot. Taytopacket 21:29, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I should have known, fucking Ed the Idiot started it. Buffalo wings!??!QOIRP*RG)PW(*NUF{"_*NW{ F&")&YG_NE(P&GE(*GP NAMED AFTER FUCKING BUFFALO NY not made of buffalo you idiot.  I'm still waiting for the "racial slur" items to turn up... Scotch broom... Irish courage... Dutch treat... but right now my favorite is "Enlish muffin". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:12, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Mmmmm. STILTON Cheese, Irish Stout, Dundee cake, Yorkshire pudding etc etc .......... 02:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Does a happy dance, which is off topic, but in just 15 days, I will be having Stilton, Stout, and Scotch! wheee!!!!!!!!(back to your regular scheduled show)-- 10:30, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * And on Topic, doesn't the title "Things named after places" remind you of that show from the 70's where a B-list famous person though of words to fit a category? q:"Chair, Love seat, your tukkus" r:"Things you sit on".  r:"The sun, a fire, a blank cup'o'JOe" r:"oh, things that are hot".  -- 10:35, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Another superb thing about the article is that it's been brilliantly categorised too - under Items.  An article about Things, categorised under Items.   Pure genius.   Call the Comedy Authorities, this one is going to 11.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  14:23, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm waiting for the companion article, things not named after places.  14:27, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Someone needs to add the Cleveland Steamer. Stile4aly 15:02, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * And the Detroit Locker (it's a type of differential). <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:15, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * What about Places named after things?  Camden Lock.   Blackpool.   Niagara Falls.   Mexican Hat.   Le Havre.    Angkor Wat (named after the particular style of Angkor used by ships to moor in the harbour there).   There's tons of 'em.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  15:58, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Fave so far: "Hollywood Values - anti-Christian deceit foisted upon us by the liberal elite" - Hollywood isn't a place it's an industry. And, doh, PS, HV isn't a thing either!!! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:11, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Indeed so - Andy has argued strenuously that Hollywood isn't a place, since he has Norwegians, Colombians, Australians and English people in his Hollywood Breast Cancer Mystery article.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  17:52, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Andy and the Midterm Grading
How horrible a teacher Andy is, to say that any of his students are "weaker." Then post someone's grade with a "Good Job!" and "I'll let you know when anyone beats your score!" then dock the student more for mistakes Andy didn't catch in his grading. And he thinks public school teachers are jokes? Yeesh. --Irrational Atheist 20:26, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I always laugh at how the homskoolar parents think that they are more qualified to teach than somebody who actually went to school to learn how to teach. I had an aunt who taught her kids for religious reasons like Andy, and stopped only when her first two kids couldn't get into any college because they didn't know anything (the fact they got like a 600-700 on the SAT didn't help either). ENorman 20:35, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I don't think that the examples of "your aunt" and Andy can be used to make a sweeping slur on the quality of homeschooling in general, the quality of homeschool educators (qualified or not) or the quality of the education received by homeschooled children. See here for a more rational approach... Fox 05:37, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Wait, before or after the 2400 update? --Irrational Atheist 20:38, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Before. I don't think it's possible to get a 600 with the 2400 scale. ENorman 20:52, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The minimum for each test is 200. So it would be possible, but nothing to write home about. --Irrational Atheist 20:57, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Pls to tell humble foreigner: what was old scale (pre 2400)? 01:48, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * When I took the SATs, there were only two exams, critical reading and mathematics. Those with only the two exams had a max score of 1600. Today it's 2400, with the writing exam included. My score is pitiful based on the new score, thus why I never disclose it. --Irrational Atheist 02:42, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Note how he prejudged his students though, marking the weaker ones first, I suspect that's what IR was getting at. 02:58, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Maybe he means the physically weaker students. So all the girls get graded first (unless they fail to thank a boy for protecting them from danger) Runderful 04:59, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

(undent)

At the risk of a redundant WIGO, I had to add the latest one when I did some quick math. If Andy's graded all 42 students and only the top grades are posted on the Talk page, then 28 of them got a 30 or less. That translates to 69% or less, which is a D or F for most people. I had wanted him to post the final grades for his American History class, and if this is any guide I can see why he didn't. Anyone want to burn a sock and re-challenge him to do that? --SpinyNorman 09:51, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Not only that, but he admits one of his questions was worded poorly, and gave extra points for the students who understood what he meant. Which just proves what we knew all along; in order to do well, just give Andy the answer he wants to hear, not the correct answer.   10:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Do the parents even see his grading, or do the kids just say "Got a 90" and leave it at that?--Nate River 13:00, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * SN, but we don't know which kids had to do the honors questions. For those who didn't have to do them, 100% = 37 (or is it 35?), right? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:19, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I just can't stop reading this "Very respectable: 26! Much higher than the average college graduate or talking head on television could do.  Well done!--Andy Schlafly 20:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)" How important does Andy think his class is?--Nate River 20:35, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Proposal for bad WIGO's
Rather then getting rid of them, we let people know what makes up a non-notable entry, while making them still accessable. I propose putting the trash at the bottom of the "New entries" section, to be moved up whenever the "later entries" is bumped back up. What do you think? 22:29, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Can I also suggest a template to add to the ends of bad WIGOs to point out that they are bad? One for "This is bad and there's no saving it" and another for "This is bad but could be rewritten better." No sense in killing bad WIGOs without using them for teaching and improving first. --Irrational Atheist 22:47, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Back at Javascap. It seems like a lot of work and I suspect it would increase number duplication because the WIGO's won't be in order if people but them in down lower. IA's suggestion is unnecessarily vindictive. I think when one is floundering at -5 either get in and fix it, if you have an idea on how to improve it, or just let it drop. - User   22:50, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Just leave 'em to be voted down as EXAMPLES. Don't complicate it any more- some folk have difficulty just adding the tags without any more complication. ;-) 01:47, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Look at the WIGO about WesleyS and Andy's follow-up. It is the same as a few WIGOs ago. The person could have added a MORE to the one already there, but now we have a redundant one. Do we comment it out and add the addition to the previous, keep two versions, what? --Irrational Atheist 02:01, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Edit it to say "this is a stupid WIGO" after it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:14, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * EC) I'd say that's a good reason for a new "instruction": "Always include the main protagonists' names in the WIGO to avoid duplication." Comment? 02:09, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * WAY too complicated, and the "recent" section varies in length hugely. Just LET THEM BE FUCKING VOTED DOWN.  We let them run up to +50, what's the frigging matter with letting some get voted down to -50, for Teapot's sake? Toast said it succinctly. (I would not accuse you of "conciseness", dear :)) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  02:08, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You know, if you really don't want to see crappy wigos, there's always my javascript function for removing them. It makes my wigo experience far more pleasant. -- 02:17, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * If you can't see 'em, you can't vote 'em down. 05:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * God, all this kerfuffle about bad wigos. Everybody is flailing their arms looking for a solution to a problem that has already been solved: the voting system supports negative numbers. Now can we shutup about this?. Runderful 04:51, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Can you add that script to Help:Scripts? 04:59, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

I kind of agree with Runderful (although I probably wouldn't put it in such strong terms!). I guess the main problem here is people are concerned that this is the most visited page so they want it to create an impact. It all smacks of trying to hard! We're here to laugh a bit at CP a bit. That's it really. I think we should do less navel gazing and more telling Andy he's a twonk. Just my opinion. StarFish 07:43, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I think a potential approach to this is to have a system/script where wigos that get, say less than -5 are changed to have a fainter font, and very positive wigos are highlighted with a bolder font. That way, your eye is drawn to the better wigos, but you can still read the bad ones if you want to, and improve them if possible. Bondurant 09:06, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That's just going to make the page look a mess. Especially when some wigos have bolded bits in them already. We don't need complicated formatting; the numbers are enough. Also, WIGOCP is not nearly busy enough to need regular trimming. We get what, 10 wigos a day on average? And I think that's a generous overestimate. Runderful 09:43, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So you want other people to prejudge the quality of a WIGO? The idea is that one decides for oneself whether it is a good or bad WIGO. Don't forget "one man's boredom is another man's lulz". Don't like a WIGO? Then just vote it down. It seems like we're trying to find a solution to a non-existent problem. <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:56, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I vote for leaving it be. OK, so it's our most popular page but one of RW's strongest point is the mobocracy. It shows our greatest strength, that we will accept anything that's legal and let the mob decide whether it's worthwhile or not. Silver Sloth 11:14, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes, I'm quite enjoying seeing the bad WIGO's accumulate massive negative votes.  It's somewhat reassuring that mostly, the mob does know what's a bad WIGO and what's a good one.   But tell me - does anyone else see the minus sign only ever above the number?    Can another character space be allowed so the minus sign can be on the same line?   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  14:20, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Looks fine to me, even with the window crushed down so there's only one word per line in the WIGO. Maybe your screen font size is larger than we planned for? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:24, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Hmm....yes, when I reduce the font size to "impossibly small, when do I receive my glasses-like-bottle-ends?", it works OK.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  17:46, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That sounds annoying... can we see a screenshot? Runderful 04:19, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Who is Daniel1212?
Who is Daniel1212? He seems to be CP's resident "expert" on why the Bible says we should hate the homos. Indeed, the entire history of the article shows one edit after another by him, with very few by anyone else, and its the vast majority of his contributions to CP.

And much of the rest of his contributions are to articles like Romans and Leviticus 18, both of which are favorites of anti-gay religious "thinkers".

He also uses the word "homosex" a lot. Obsessively, I'd even say...

MDB 10:33, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Ixnay on the Anielday, he is my most succesful ocksay! --GTac 10:35, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * ooo, sorry. I thought he was way too active to actually be a sock. MDB 10:48, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I think GTac is just trying to TKbait. Claiming possibly-genuine users as socks and seeing what TK does about it is as much fun actually having socks. At this point it's impossible to "out" parodists; Poe's Law and all that. Runderful 11:00, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * It's probably a bit much for even our most dedicated CP statisticians but I'd be interested to know just what proportion of CP is dedicated to homosexuality. Whilst I have nothing against teaching children that homosexuality exists - my son knew that my friends, David and Red, were a couple whilst still aged in single digits - the extent to which CP harks on about it seems a bit heavy for a family friendly encyclopaedia. Silver Sloth 11:11, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Its "family friendly" as long as you're teaching the little tykes that gay people are sick, evil demented freaks who want to
 * molest them
 * destroy traditional marriage
 * undermine Christianity
 * make the world more fabulous
 * (not necessarily) in that order. Its family-unfriendly if you teach kids that gay people are mostly decent loving people who just happen to be attracted to their own gender. And want to make the world more fabulous. MDB 11:57, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * You know how 🇰🇪 was bitching about how he'd "moved on" from homosexuality a while back? Daniel1212 is probably his sock, so he can continue his forays into "homosex" without being spotted. User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 12:31, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * No way it's kendoll, 1212 can complete a paragraph of text without a quote or using the word "regarding." -- 13:08, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Moreover he can do quite long edits without having to do endless tweaks to get it right. Silver Sloth 13:53, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * (copied from the article)

Regarding pederasty, while this might have been the predominant form of homosexuality in the Greek world, the idea that Paul only had this form of homosex in mind in condemning sex between males with males is seen as very unlikely. Not only does Paul first list female homosex as part of the degeneration of mankind, and then likewise “also the men,” but the Bible often uses the term “young men” or “younger elsewhere to make distinctions between ages of males, (Mk. 14:51; Lk. 15:12,13; Acts 2:17; 5:6,10; 1Ti. 5:1; Tts. 2:6; 1Jn. 2:13,14)

In regards to this, homosexual apologists also claim Jesus did not invoke Sodom as an warning to cities because they were merely generally inhospitable, rather He foretold that cities which would not repent would be judged more severely than Sodom (Mt. 10:14; 11:20-24), as that was the cause behind their specific “inhospitality” toward His disciples, who “went out, and preached that men should repent” (Mk. 6:11,12), which rejection Biblically was and is the ultimate sin of damnation.

User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 14:00, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I'm always wary of (nay, a bit fucked off with) people who quote Leviticus and say teh gheys are going to hELL. These are the same people who disobey the "prime directive" of G-d's laws (sabbath=Saturday NOT Sunday), eat delicious-smelling bacon butties, think Jews are "incomplete" Christians (or general purpose whipping boys/scapegoats/gas chamber fodder) and that ALL of The Law was "fulfilled" (and thereby cancelled) by Yeshua ha Moshiach -- except the bit about bummers. I'm currently rewriting Leviticus at aSK, and tbh it is a great exercise, for me, in diplomacy. I cannot push the pov that, y'know guys, you might be mistaken, but I can try to show that Leviticus is not just about teh uphill gardeners. Hopefully, I will strike a balance. Meantime, yeah, CP is packed with closet homos. Sorry about the high word:substance ratio Andy, but I like to exercise my mind while putting together comments, as opposed to the CP "knee jerk/engage gob first" method of critical analysis. /rant; quit pulpit. Fox 14:01, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

"Homosex" is clearly a powerful new conservative word. Chalk one up for the 2000's!-- 14:12, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Ah, Leviticus! It reminds me of the early days of RationalWiki when HOG (User:HeartOfGold) tried to convince us that eating lobster was not in the same league as homosexuality. <font color=Blue>Генгис    15:42, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Welcome to my world, where they are the same. But I don't go around picketing sea food restaurants or cursing down the wrath of G-d on people who fancy a fish supper. Fox 16:17, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * "Uphill gardeners"?? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:33, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I defer to the learned minds at Roger's Profanisaurus when it comes to Ancient English vernacular: qv. Fox 16:38, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's an alternative to "players of the pink oboe" 16:47, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I could tell what it meant from context (I'm smart that way), I was more curious as to the etymology. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:15, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I knew that. Incidentally last week's edition of the Goon Show on BBC R7 had quite a few mentions of "pink oboe". Premusably this was the Milligna's sneaky gay in-joke from way back in the 50s. 23:28, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

What Philip J Rayment is doing now
He’s involved with Welcome to A Storehouse of Knowledge, the encyclopædia with a biblical worldview. His name’s regularly in Recent Changes there. Perhaps he’s finally given up on Conservapedia. There’s Ed Poor and Wesley as well. Proxima Centauri 10:44, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Philip P? If you're talking about Philip J, then he did indeed quit and resign and left a very long and revealing parthian shot where the CP admin can't get it. He founded that wiki about a week ago, so I would hope he is a regular contributor there. Check the aSK article on CP and the parthian shot is in the external links bit. EddyP 10:48, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Also, quite a few (read: most) RW editors have signed up and are contributing/arguing quite well. EddyP 10:50, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So yeah, bit late to the party. s'all good though. ENorman 11:22, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Now that spring has officially arrived did Proxima Centauri just awake from hibernation? <font color=Blue>Генгис    11:43, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I like Proxima, their heart is in the right place, but I did spray the monitor with a rather fine sangiovese upon reading that. Shame on you Ghengis - in these days of credit crunch, alcohol is not to be wasted on teh lulz. Fox 14:06, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Eh, Fox, your monitor needed cleaning anyway. Myself, I had to clean a fine mist of coffee off mine.  Proxy, scroll up to the WIGO links at the top of the page and see WIGO ASK and Talk ASK. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:42, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, she is 4 light years away... news takes a while to travel that far. They're still getting over that terrible Titanic thingy (yes, I mean the movie). --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:28, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You mean this one? --Kels 13:42, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So, wait, Liberapedia and AtheismWiki are hosted in the Centauri system, and are linked to Earth with a hyperspace modem? 12:33, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:42, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That explains so much... 16:51, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

A rare Jinx sighting
Jinx, you crazy old bastard... Good to see you again. In the interest of fairness and nostalgia, I'll get the ball rolling. The difference between this article on Wikipedia and this steaming plie of crap on CP is that the WP article is factual and interesting, whereas the CP article fails on both accounts. French fries (the first item on the list) have nothing to do with France. When preparing the potatos, you cut them a special way, called "frenching" them (beware, frenching a potato another way is a class 3 misdemeanor). I could go on and on, but I will end with an oldie: You are a moron. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  12:43, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Heh, had no idea it (the french, in French Fries) was for "frenching". Though by extension, one supposes that Frenching of vegies is a french technique, so it's "sorta" named, round about, by the location.  i suppose.  ;-)-- 13:24, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually it's more complex than that. The technique of frenching is named after French fries which, according to one source, should actually be Belgian Fries - named by US soldiers during WW1. As ever WP:French fries is your friend. 13:45, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Ummm reminds me of my Confuciusnism days. Matt oblong 15:26, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * To be fair, if you read the talk page, Ed Bizarre wanted it to be about things named after places that didn't really have anything to do with those places. Or something like that.  I just wish I could edit the article... or at least the talkie page. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:46, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * To be fair, if you read the talk page, Ed Bizarre wanted it to be about things named after places that didn't really have anything to do with those places. Or something like that.  I just wish I could edit the article... or at least the talkie page. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:46, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Prediction for Homework Nine
Looking at the questions, how many students do you think will characterize the '08 election as a "revolution"?-Diadochus 15:27, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The French Revolution: all bad, or was there something good about it? -- Gosh, just a bit of Frankophobia there?  I'm all for getting rid of kings, theocracies, and putting into place a constitution that protects the Rights of Man. (oh, wait, you thought the Bill of Rights was the first of its kind.  forgot that).  grrr....-- 15:33, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Why weren't there revolutions sooner? Duh, they didn't have a word for it!  How might you have better prepared for the exam?  Hired a better teacher.   15:36, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You've got to wonder what his definition of "revolution" is. Was the English civil war and our brief flirtation with republicanism not a revolution? If you want to go back a millenia or so, how about the Bar Kokhba revolt? Anyway, I'm really looking forward to his lecture ten homework. I've never seen a greater bullshit to words ratio in any educational document in all my life. What sort of cretin would credit James Watt with the invention of the steam engine, or Samuel Morse with the invention of the telegraph? Surely, if you're going to teach history you ought to at least have a vague familiarity with it. -- 16:09, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Homework Nine has to be the laziest, most anemic effort at composing an assignment I have ever seen. Corryundefined 17:45, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * (more) Also I can't help but notice that Andy has given up on the separate test thing. He does have separate sex extra credit questions about chivalry, or at least his ridiculous version of it, but they're absolutely laughable (as is his treatment of chivalry).  What I want to know is if he caved to demands from parents or if the "not used to holding down a real job" thing kicked in and he just gave up because it was extra work.  Corryundefined 17:55, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Whoever said andy is "lazy" really pinned him down. These responses to students took no time, are shoddy, and do nothing to help the students grow.  I made it through grad school as a lazy TA, and even I cared more about the students then this jackass.  And parents PAY him?-- 10:10, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

WIGO quality redux
Don't want to see like a dick, but the newest cheetah WIGO doesn't even make sense. And I think it's pretty clear it's a socks work, so we have nonsensical socks being WIGO. I'm not saying every WIGO needs to be the best, but how about we agree they should make sense before posting. 15:50, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Simple, really. I edit CP. TK reverts on-mission edits. I fix grammer. He reverts. See here. -- 15:53, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * They reverted an edit; seriously, that's what that was all about? Oh, and your parting shot that has already been deleted=teh lame.   15:57, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I thought my ken imitation was pretty good! -- 15:58, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR, stop being a child and WIGO'ing your own lame edits.  It's like a sad comedian in a run-down bar, chuckling away at all his own jokes, while everyone ignores him.   Just don't do it.   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  16:00, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Tooting your own horn is immature. You aren't as funny/cool/witty/insert adjective here as you think ENorman 16:02, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I didn't WIGO it. -- 16:05, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Firstly, I am fairly sure you did WIGO it as I cant see anyone else doing so. Secondly, your parting shot was lame! Ace McWickedRevolt 16:10, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Check the history. And yes, it was. But it wasn't designed not to be. It was designed to be a warning. Operation Vile Beetle and Fiery Angle starts now. -- 16:12, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm sure they will be terrified of the underage b& furry who thinks he's a cat. TK's shitting himself in terror as he reads this WIGO. ENorman 16:14, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That's sort of the point. The lamer I appear, the less they will give a dahm about me. Therefore, the less threatening I appear. . . -- 16:20, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Your non-logic has made me lose several IQ points. Me ENorman! Me go eat my fist now! ENorman 16:21, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR could be on to something here.....All you need now is an elephant, rope and a spoon!Matt oblong 16:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR, people who are not funny seldom realise they are not.  16:18, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Cracker added it, I can only assume as a form of Cur-baiting. You know, one of these months, we are going to start getting skilled at writing such "bad" WIGOs it will get competitive - to see who can first break, say, the -100 mark... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:13, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * If it helps anyone, I've started trying to read CUR as Bohdan's comedy revenge on RatWiki. It instantly transports his witterings into the realm of inspired genius. --Robledo 17:52, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Nice try. I'm not Bohdan. -- 18:13, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It helps me nonetheless. --Robledo 18:18, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * You're nowhere near as funny as he is. Also, perhaps we should have a Worst of Conservapedia for entries like this.  User:TheemperorUser talk:Theemperor 18:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, if Bohdan were running Cur it would be funnier. Although, it is funny that it's not.  And that "Nice try.  I'm not Bohdan" is pure Spanky Hanky. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:32, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Bohdan hasn't been around for ages, has he?  I miss him.   It was fun to have a RationalWiki punching bag.   CUR?  You up for that?   <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  18:39, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Bohdan, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, is on ASK as Henry. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:42, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * In a word: no. -- 18:46, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Sigh
I (did indeed) add this particular WIGO. The point to it was, now that their resident is gone for greener pastures, the project throws YEC type edits under the bus. The commented out part was added lulz as TK reverted to a grammatically incorrect version to get rid of the cursed wandal. I happen to think it's a fairly good WIGO but I got stuck with it being a CUR sock's addition so I go down cause you all don't know how to get along with him (basically ignore it/him/her).18:38, 30 March 2009 (EDT) CЯacke ® 18:38, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * For what it's worth, I voted it down before I read any of this CUR-related discussion. I voted it down because it pretty much just reported an unremarkable reversion of an edit on CP, IMHO. alt 20:05, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The edits themselves have been burned from CP so I can't talk about the specific case but in general I am very interested to see how YECism fares in a post PJR CP. TK is very anti-YEC, so I expect to see a purge.  This raises one of the ironies about the whole PJR thing for me.  Much of the initial interest in CP from "vandals" was caused by the YEC lulz in many of the articles, often put there or endorsed by PJR.  So I wonder if Andy partly blames PJR for CP's demise?  Matt  21:31, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Two-thirds of the class with Ds or Fs
I think this is a silly metric. Curves are good. Otherwise, we would have to assume Putnam Exam prep is a waste of time, since most people only get a few points. Coarb 16:28, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Um, even with a curve, most of the class still failed.  16:32, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Not if most of them weren't required to answer the honors questions. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  16:57, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Well fine, if you want to use your fancy logic.  17:03, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Fair points regarding honors questions and curves. What I found notable about this particular test is that all you have to do to pass is regurgitate the conserva-facts Andy wants to load into your head via his lectures, and 2/3 of his students couldn't even do that.  This speaks to his lack of effectiveness as an instructor - Andy has had several weeks to get these kids to absorb and retain what he considers the key lessons to be learned, and for two out of three students this didn't happen.  I consider that a fail as an instructor. --SpinyNorman 17:51, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * If the kids are bright enough for rational thought, wouldn't one expect a significant 'failure' rate for testing on Andy's conservafacts?--Neon 00:02, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * If you wanted a good grade on one of his tests, could you score it? That's how the kids are taking them, wethinks. Regurgitate what the "teacher" ranted about, score high. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:13, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

How could anyone be expected to do well on this exam? The questions are evenly split between "absurdly hard niche knowledge that no one would ever know" and "inane litmus test which has little if anything to do with history," with a few "painfully obvious" in between. 7, 11, 24, 27, 40, and 43 are utter bullshit, while countless others aren't history, or are just painfully confusing. I mean, there's virtually no history in the test, merely listings, obscure chronologies, religious bits, and the odd quote. Andy appears to think it's more important to bash LBJ than it is to know something about, say, the fall of the Roman Republic. 17:59, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So how does Andy writing "HONORS (all should attempt to answer these)" affect the results? --Kels 18:06, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


 * (ec) A big problem is how low his standards are on the homework assignments. Because the assignments are lazily written and lazily graded, there is no real feedback on where they stand in the course.  Corryundefined 18:02, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Too true. The students are lulled into complacency by getting away with lightweight homework grading, only to discover how little they've actually learned when handed a closed-book test.  The poor design of the test itself is no small factor, either.  My point is that if a competent teacher was handed a group of reasonably bright students and told to prepare and deliver a course on a random topic, say, how a piston engine works, then by the midterm I would hope that more than 1/3 of the students could pass a reasonable test on the material presented so far.  Andy's idea of good test questions is a fail in this case, and the degree to which this class as a whole is actually learning any real world history is a major fail.  The parents might as well have burned their tuition money.  --SpinyNorman 19:38, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Two hundred bucks would buy a nice atlas, dictionary, and probably a couple more reference works the kids would use their entire life... no need to burn it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:46, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

You wouldn't let it liiie...
I'm reminded of the classic line from Reeves & Mortimer (if you know it, you know it, otherwise too hard to explain) - "You wouldn't let it lie". <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  17:57, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Dang. I'm suddenly minded to give CP an article on Morrissey the Consumer Monkey.... --Robledo 18:14, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Just my gut feeling, but to me that edit feels like Andy sees how much of a ghost town CP has become, so he's running up a trial balloon in one of the articles that brought so much attention to CP. Going back to the Lenski well, as it were. I'm actually kinda proud that nobody here has risen to the bait(ing).--Martin Arrowsmith 08:43, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Inflated egos, aisle three!
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia&curid=85796&diff=646747&oldid=638536 ... and no one cared.] --Irrational Atheist 22:01, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * More like, "how many times can you repeat a word in one sentence". Did he learn that illiteracy at SEO school?  Or was he born with it? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:17, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

The burgeoning irrelevancy of CP
Since the launching of ASK, the lights are starting to flicker at Andy's blog. Not far in the distance, Andy will be able to roam the deserted halls, the desolate rooms, peer into the shoddy stubs, shrug his shoulders at the once-hotly-contested articles, and wonder what might have been. Oh, the humanity!

On a more personal level, I am beginning to feel left out - all the fun people (and CUR) have left WIGO:CP behind, an old broken tin toy thrown aside like so much cheap Christmas tat, the shiny new Captain Spanky of WIGO:ASK still in its bubblewrap. When, oh when, will anyone ever make WIGO's like we used to see here on a daily basis in the olden days? WHEN?!

My heart is broken, and I feel lost in the world. For what is a Man, without a good WIGO:CP every day? Come back PJR, all is forgiven! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  23:10, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Do not worry, oh my captain, for soon we shall be finished with this crass fling with this cheap tart, and return to our warm and happy home where so many pleasant hours were passed, and surely will be again. For if we do not wander, how are we to know how genuinely home is where the heart is? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:24, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * PS, keep your bubble wrap fetish to yourself, you pervert. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Is "irrelevancy" a word? I would have thought "irrelevance." TheoryOfPractice 23:26, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Conservapedia has eleventeenishorty irrelevancyishnesses. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:24, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

World History Lecture 11
He's started!

Did you guys know that the year 1900 was also known as the turn of (into) the 20th Century? And after two or three sentences each saying that imperialism, militarism and nationalism increased, he reminds his students, "In sum, there were three causes of increased rivalries among European nations: nationalism, militarism and imperialism. Remember those three causes of problems." Andy's explanation for the beginnings of World War I are horrible to follow. Passive voice, run on sentences, ambiguous pronouns, etc.

Andy also opens up a discussion on Communism by referring to it as simply jealousy that kids have, then goes off on how the Apostles of the Bible had jealousy, too. THEN Andy returns to let the kids know that he'll discuss Communism later.

And the only important scientist from the early 20th century is TEH DEVOUT CHRISTIAN! He's most important because Andy singles him out for his extraordinary results! And Albert Einstein was useless, because "nothing useful has even been built based on the theory of relativity."

Andy also seems to lack expertise in film history. "The Wizard of Oz in 1939 was the first color movie." Even though The World, the Flesh and the Devil was released a whole 25 years before The Wizard of Oz.

To finalize, how can Andy even discuss the literature and culture of the 1920s and 1930s, especially when discussing the Great Depression, and neglect to even mention F. Scott Fitzgerald, perhaps the best known author from America in that time period? Sooo much wrong with his instruction. --Irrational Atheist 00:33, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * WTF did Einstein ever do to Andy? 00:49, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Why did my physics professors never tell me that space has been proven to be flat??? <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 00:52, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Andy continues to diss Einstein, and I feel sorry for any of his homeschoolers who actually end up wanting to study physics, because based on this lesson, they are going to be hugely misinformed. What is Assfly even doing including so much science (which is massively out of his areas of expertise) in a lecture on history (which is merely well outside his area of expertise)?  He bangs on about relativity for about 5 paragraphs, while quantum mechanics (apparently 'the most notable accomplishment in science') only gets 1 and Stalin (surely a topic ripe for close historic examination) gets about half the space. Muppet. 04:50, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * If all you knew of history came from Andy's lectures, you'd get the impression that Stalin was born the man of steel, and that this was some sort of sympathetic naming magic that got him in to power. There's exactly one mention of the word "tank" in the lecture, and nothing at all about battleships or dreadnoughts, some things one might consider fairly pivotal to the events leading up to and during world war one. Not a word about submersible warfare and technological countermeasures or the battle of the Atlantic, a pivotal series of events in the mercantile battle as well as America's entry in to the war. This whole whistlestop tour of things that happened with no depth to it pisses me off no end. He'd be far better off abbreviating the timeline to fit more specifics in to a lecture. As it stands, the lecture teaches you nothing you couldn't learn by watching the occasional film or idly flicking to the history channel. Which, come to think of it, is probably Andy's source material. -- 06:36, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * One assumes (why?) that he has face to face lectures & probably allows discussion (?). So there might be room for other stuff to be brought up there. Or am I being too charitable?  06:43, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Too charitable! A. Schlafly isn't that much interested in factual correct lectures but in things easy to remember, as he states in this discussion...
 * And if mistakes are discussed in his face to face lectures, he should correct them in his online material afterward. But he just moves on: He hasn't answered to the questions on the talk page of lecture 10 - and he won't do so, I suppose.
 * 06:53, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * "The Wizard of Oz in 1939 was the first color movie." Well, of course! Everyone remembers that famous scene where Dorothy lands in Oz and all the movies turn Technicolor! --Marty 03:48, 1 April 2009 (EDT) But for a good movie you can't beat the first "talkie", Singin' in the Rain.

I note he refers to the Kellogg-Briand Pact, which outlawed war, as "silly". Okay, "silly" is a fair word to describe it, but this is at least somewhat formal writing, and "silly" isn't really a word that's appropriate for this. "Noble but shortsighted" might work better. MDB 07:17, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Einstein
It's a theory that several here have suggested, stating that Andy and other christian writers have a problem with "sound alike" theories to thing that are central to their culture wars. So, Axiom of Choice is bad, cause it empowers those stupid women to think "choice" is important in their life (and we all know what "choice" REALLY means, even to mathematics). Same with relativity. If "everything is relative" then there is no Moral assertions to be made. So you have to prove Einstein wrong, or dismiss him, so that "relativity" goes away. If that makes any sense. -- 10:07, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Perhaps, but does Andy's beef with Einstein extend to the photoelectric effect?--Neon 11:04, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * No two ways about it--Andy believes (and has said) that Einstein's Relativity is the basis of, and is used by liberals to support, moral relativity. Never mind that the notion of moral relativism is far older than Einstein's work.--WJThomas 11:10, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The Einstein-bashing is all the more amusing because the thing which he was awarded the Nobel prize for was explaining the photoelectric effect, which is a quantum mechanical thing and thus, according to the lecture, he contributed to "the most notable accomplishment in science". Then there's the fact that Andy implies that all the useful stuff happened after the end of WW1. Er, except for the development of relativity and quantum mechanics. alt 12:26, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I bet this fuckwit mulls it over on the drive to the liquor store while using his GPS. What a clown. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 12:27, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Virtually every sentence in that incoherent mess is just ridiculously wrong. The ones that aren't are merely distortions of fact. Yeah, I know, this is exactly what to expect from him but...wow. Hopefully he hasn't completely destroyed the curiosity of his students so that one of them will think to ask if any experiments on relativity have been conducted since 1919. Presumably not every scientist can be given the "Eddington is teh suck!" treatment. Well, maybe...--Bayes 12:40, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's been awhile since I have studied physics but isn't Andy completely wrong on most of his points? Wasn't quantum mechanics in large part a mathematical model at the beginning and then they tested it? I can't imagine they could test half the shit QM predicted at the time. When Andy talks about space being flat I believe he is mixing up the large scale shape of the universe and localized gravity. Does relativity predict gravitons? I thought that was the QM particle responsible for gravity. Didn't Einstein contribute significantly to QM? Lastly, the crap about Eddington is just that, crap. The wasteful government spending looking for particles, first off WTF?, and second isn't that again QM? NetharianCubicles are prisons! 16:39, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Certainly Andy connects Darwinism with social Darwinism, and general relativity with moral relativity. I had never noticed the connection between Axiom of Choice and pro-choice before, but it's obvious in retrospect, isn't it? I'm still not sure what to make of proof by contradiction in this framework, though; is it that Andy believes Scripture contains no contradictions? (I'm sure Andy is trolling with the mathematics stuff, but it can still be fun to work out the little puzzles he comes up with.) --Marty 03:54, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I'm completely mystified by his issues with imaginary numbers and elementary proofs. One of my favorite Andy quotes in the generator is the one where he says liberals don't want to admit that Wiles's proof of FLT isn't elementary.  What the hell does that question have to do with liberal or conservative politics?  Arithmostoutheriou 07:38, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

The US Wins The War
The Germans launched five major campaigns in a four month period in 1918 on the “Western Front.” The Germans had technology and lots of energy. They had elite storm-troopers with automatic rifles, light machine guns, flame-throwers and artillery fire. They used poisonous mustard gas lavishly. They easily defeated the British Fifth Army. The Germans were advancing and taking property.

But fresh American troops entered the scene. In the Second Battle of the Marne in July 1918, the Allies started winning. Nine American divisions fought in this battle about 75 miles northeast of Paris. The Germans started this battle on another one of their offensives, but the Americans turned the tables and enabled the Allies to win it. Casualties were enormous for everyone, including the Americans. Former President Teddy Roosevelt’s son was killed in this battle. Well, err... My history isn't that strong but I seem to remember that it was a bit more complex than this and that certain Canadians and Ausies were involved somewhere along the line. And there's nothing about how tanks ended trench warfare forever. Silver Sloth 10:39, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Well goodness, he thinks the war was super violent because Christian values no longer held sway. It had nothing to do with teh fact that we (all participants, all sides) were using new weapons with never before seen deadly force - in old ways. Nope, just the dreaded loss of Chevalier, where people pulled eachother's arms out of the sockets and watched them bleed to death.  that was much better!-- 11:26, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Andy is exactly right... The Germans were kicking the shit out of the English because they had largely automatic defensive weapons of gun and the Brits only had some old Kidney Pie from the local pub. Once America entered the war, everything was smooth sailing.  In fact, there was recently an interactive documentary made about this. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  11:57, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Explanation of what ended WW1 in just 4 tiny sentences. Wow, here I have to write 2 page essays per topic in my history classes. NetharianCubicles are prisons! 16:44, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

March 30
What is going on at CP? Absolutely nothing. March 30th had zero edits, besides a few TK sysop move-protect-deletes. TK's been successful in driving off every single editor. FJF


 * Well, except for Andy and probably Ken. Andy will never admit defeat; anyway, I think CP has passed the "point of no return", where no-one will come back even if he gets rid of TK and becomes less authoritarian, because they have all gone to aSK. 03:57, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually, later in the day the usual gaggle came along. 04:07, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I'm not seeing that - my view is the same as the image at right, showing no other edits on March 30, it is already March 31 here. Do you get a different view if you are in a different time zone? FJF
 * Retraction. Your right, I'm an idiot. It's late, I've had a few too many and don't know what the fuck Im talking about. heh. removed the image since I obviously can't tell what day it is. FJF


 * I'm beginning to think this site could use a small cadre of designated drivers ;) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:34, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I'll do it; I never drink. 17:40, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Added quick links
Hey, I added those quick links at the top of the talk page here (the cp:talk links etc) I think its a handier way to navigate. I'll add them to other talk pages but feel free to revert if consensus is met. Ace McWickedRevolt 04:28, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Actually that's a great idea. I'm always flicking between pages and this makes it easier. In fact... is it too much to ask for the template to include links to the revision histories of talk pages? Even if they're tiny it would make me happy. Runderful 05:10, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Its bothered me for ages but never occured to me. Ace McWickedRevolt 05:24, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Turns out a link to the revision history comes up as an ugly external link thing. Anyone know a way around that? Runderful 06:12, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * link goes here --Just passing by 06:58, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Or, which looks exactly like an internal link.  07:03, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Or you can use in the built in function, so |history give |history. That is still an external link. 219.90.133.197 07:09, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

How aSK will help Conservapedia
I'm wondering if the advent of aSK will actually help Conservapedia in the long run. People on this site seem to be losing interest, meaning that CP will probably go very quiet for a while. However, if there really are ultra-Conservatives out there on the internet, looking for an alternative to Wikipedia that shares all their mad opinions, presumably they will eventually be drawn there, and when they are they won't have us bothering them. It might even be that TK loses interest and goes elsewhere. Just a theory.-- 06:33, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I dunno, CP seems to operate in a weird dual universe - it's virtually invisible in terms of exposure to their target market (no link from Coulter, Malkin, et al), whilst it receives great word of mouth/mail/blog support from those Andy would rather have put up against a wall and shot (albeit the WoM is along the lines of "You have to check this crazy shit out." It's also pretty apparent that apart from the sysops (and even half of them have gone quiet - Bethany, Sharon, Jallen, LearnT anybody?) and maybe a handful of others, CP already has no meaningful editors in amongst the parodists. TK and Andy's noses are probably seriously out of joint following PJR's parthian, so in typical style they'll shoot themselves in the foot, by not working with Philip and probably blocking/demoting the few remaining editors, who dare to venture over there (and you can't believe Smeg Ed is there for Phil's benefit - although he has blocking rights apparently. Phil must be mad!). Any editor worth his salt is going to compare the overall atmosphere of the two wiki's and remain with PJR.
 * I think there's a certain perverse irony in the fact that it wasn't RW, nor TK who rang CP's death-knell, but rather the poster boy for YEC. TK, however, will stick around for as long as there are people to bully and checkuser to be creepy with--PsyGremlinWhut? 06:57, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Dictatorships often collapse from within. The Soviet Union dissolved because an "insider" decided their system was badly broken, Chinese communism is slowly fading away (though its still a dictatorship), most outside analysts say Cuba's current system won't last much beyond the deaths of the Castro brothers. Nazi Germany probably wouldn't have survived if the plot to assassinate Hitler had worked, etc etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseam. MDB 07:56, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Whoa, Ed doesn't have block rights does he? I can't see him in the rights log. That would be a huge mis-step on Phil's part.-- 08:34, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I took it from here: "And yet, despite the way you've treated the people here (random, illogical bans, personal insults) for the most part people here are accepting you." And now that I read it again, I realise Fox was talking about Smeg Ed's behaviour elsewhere. Silly me. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:10, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Wow, that's a bit bizarre. Ed! You must leave your weirdo cult and join my weirdo cult! Our stupid rituals and practices are totally better than yours! Still, I liked ToP giving Ed a writing assignment, perhaps a few more are in order. -- 14:29, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Red letter day...
So Conservapedians sent out 2500 of those envelopes for that 'red envelope' nonsense. Given that there are only about 5 non-parodists, non-socks, and vaguely active users left it seems, i think they've got a bit too much time on their hands Jammy 11:57, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You're forgetting homeskollars; that's like 50 a student. It was probably part of their week 9 homework.   11:59, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That's exaclty what I was going to say.... He probably set aside his awesome lectures and forced his students to stuff envelopes for a week. I hope Obama sets them all on fire unopened. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  12:05, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He probably said he was giving them "valuable work skills". Maybe he even did it during Earth hour, so as to avoid laziness.   12:25, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Can we send Andy a thousand pairs of unwashed socks, to represent all the RW socks he has flushed from the fertile womb of his wiki? This idea came to an ordinary citizen while in goat. -- 14:47, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Hell aye. He'd probably call the FBI demanding they come round and investigate the "evidence".
 * I'm sorry, Mr. Schlafly, but sending you socks in the mail is not a crime.
 * But they're doing it to intimidate and harass! I know my rights! I'm an attorney, dammit!
 * They're just socks, Mr. Schlafly.....Have you been drinking?
 * --Robledo 16:08, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I forget where I read it, but, "I hope Obama uses those red envelopes to mail out his next campaign fundraising request." Waste not, want not... --Gulik 18:32, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Et tu, Cletus
A youth: Although I do not agree with modern convervatism, I respect it. I expect you to give me that same respect. Oh, and your Obama article is blatantly prejudiced, xenophobic, and rasist. DeanS: remove liberal rant  and learn how to spell racist. High art. Nutty Roux 11:59, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Anyone noticing screwiness with CP's logs?
I'm not seeing edits showing up on the logs that I can see in article histories and it appears that the logs are sometimes delayed quite a bit. In some cases I'm watching whole series of edits that seem to be taking place under cover. Anyone else seeing this? Nutty Roux 12:04, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yep, I'm absolutely sure that certain users' entries are not being logged. Nutty Roux 13:44, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * They do so much oversighting (etc.?) they've probably seriously injured the integrity of the database. I doubt the MW software was ever heavily debugged for massive memory-holing, since who would expect it on a wiki? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:13, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Al Gore
Anybody else seen something from a reliable source about Al Gore and this whole Earth hour thing? There was this posted to CP from TK. But I haven't been able to find any reliable sources talking about it..... Everything I've seen is a few right wing blogs reposting each other's stories.... As far as I can tell, the whole thing seems to have started with WND, the most impressive of all impressive sources. You can tell the good articles because they advertise the body cleansing foot patch woo <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  12:10, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Seems to have originated with an article by Drew Johnson, which was disputed by Al Gore and defended by Johnson <font color="#000099">Worm (<font color="#000099">t  12:17, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Still funny, or just sad
It seems Andy, instead of moving on to a new project, is still working on conservative words. But the entries just keep getting more bizzare; like local. Now, I know that there is a certain amount of leaway in whether a word can or cannot be political, but local? Really? 13:16, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I love the "all politics is local" myself.... <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  13:25, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Better yet, he gives that as an example of a NOUN. "all politics is phone?"  "all politics is car".  um, andy, your example is an adjective.  Local the adjective has been around since the 1400s or so via icky France.  the NOUN refers to either 1) a pub "going to the local" (1910ish), 2) a train "take the local till you get to newport" (1880s), or a person.  "he's a local (1880s).  The clue if it's a noun or not (at least in english) is the need for an article.  THE STUPID, IT HURTS.  he's teaching children this crap.-- 13:30, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I also love his definition of newspeak; "political or media expressions using circumlocution and euphemisms to disguise or distract from the truth". He totally misses it, and I don't think he could even understand why he is wrong.   13:45, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

"All politics is local" is taken from Tip O'Neill, a quote which Andy references. I wonder if Andy is going to declare O'Neill was a long-time conservative. MDB 14:27, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I jumped in to add what MDB said ;) How could Andy be blithely unaware of the biggest promoter of the phrase in the 20th century? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:43, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I strongly suggest that someone advise him to write a conservative dictionary. While CP sort of counts as one, I think it would help everyone watching him to understand why he says so many strange things.  Most of it is because he makes up his own definition and insists that other definitions are incorrect. -Lardashe 14:47, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Acionyx
I shouldn't be doing this. . . look. TK must have deleted the page, and Ken restored it- with my quote from Creation Moments! -- 13:48, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Well, Eff me! 13:51, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Sorry, but it's all Ken:
 * 19:25, 30 March 2009 Conservative (Talk | contribs) deleted "Cheetah" ‎ (content was: 'Cheetahs The cheetah is a member of the feline family. The distribution of the Cheetah is limited to Africa, where vast expanses of land fit their hunting style. Cheetahs are unique ...')
 * 13:54, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Is 🇰🇪 bored? -- 14:07, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * My guess is that he deep-burned the history to conceal the fact that other sysops (TK?) have reverted stuff and banned the author (Acionyx?). The reverting and banning indicated that the parody edits are (quite properly, by any sane standard, but this is CP) unacceptable to the consensus of CP sysops.  Ken wanted to conceal the fact that he is now in open and blatant conflict with the deeply-held convictions of other sysops about how the place should be run.  As the number of contributors and sysops declines, such conflicts come more out into the open.
 * "When small men cast long shadows, surely it is a sign that the sun is setting." -- quote from the frontispiece of the book (which was just blank pages) "The Wit and Wisdom of Spiro Agnew".
 * Gauss 14:53, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yes, it was Acionyx. He had a good run. -- 17:41, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The heat death of CP described: All articles except homoatheivolutionism will be three sentences long.  All math will be at the 8-year-old level.  All article histories will contain one and only one revision. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  17:45, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It'll be the new conservative bible; infallible, and dictated by god Andy in its current form.  17:49, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

TK
He's almost torn CP apart. I am not sure how I feel about this. I almost feel a desire to save, of all things, CP, just to foil TK. There's got to be SOMETHING we can do to stop him. After he destroys CP, see, he'll focus on us. I don't think we could stop him, and even if he does, he'll just go to aSK next. -- 14:22, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He's tried here and failed. There's no ONE person to bamboozle here. 14:27, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He was distracted. He didn't give us the full blast. We actually need to help CP. -- 14:29, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Um, how the hell would you know? You only turned up last week, when your fellow lunatics on the furries with delusions of grandeur bulletin board decided they didn't like that we didn't believe they were really dragons. If you really want to help CP, just go there instead of here. They're just the kind of woolly thinkers who'll embrace you with open arms. -- 14:39, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * * cough* 'cuse me? I joined here over a month before I heard the term therian. Two months later, the stupid incident flared up. And actually, if Shay is any sign, they wouldn't welcome me, not at all. -- 16:04, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Seriously, CUR, you have a rather melodramatic sense of how things actually work. Calm down and just relax.   14:48, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Were I TK, complete with whatever motivates him, I'd be pretty pleased with all the demonizing and attribution of supra human trolling abilities that get directed at me over here. I bet he reads these pages with a sense of expectancy and excitement hoping to catch a glimpse of his name(TK please keep both hands on the keyboard as you read this). He is obviously either a trolling parodist or else a parodist troll. Were he here that would still be obvious. Beyond that, have your fun but the less said about him the better. Think about this: Buglar could still be active to this day if we'd only kept our collective mouths shut <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 15:06, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Ridiculous. We screamed continually that Bugler was a parodist, and Andy did nothing. 15:09, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yep. Bugler outed himself by saying his real name was Brian Ugler. Bondurant 15:12, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * TK could do little to no damage over here. Lots of sysops = noone to bully. And CP is imploding without our help at the moment. It's just slowly drying up. EddyP 15:41, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Andy eventually banned Buglar. Perhaps the hue and cry over here gave eventually gave Andy the idea that Bulgar might not be the son he never had and further that Brian Unglar might not be such a good Christian name. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 15:55, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * And we constantly call TK a troll and vandal and parodist too, yet he still has all his rights. I doubt Andy even reads over here very often.   15:58, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I agree, Sheesh, I think you're overestimating how much stock Andy puts in us... We screamed Parodist for months, we were ignored. I had a sock that went on the page and put parodist in big letters, it was ignored.... Andy finally blocked Bugler because he tried to convince him his name was Brian Ugler, an obvious fake name invented to fit the naming convention.  As for TK, he is not a regular parodist, in fact, he about as close to untouchable as you can get over there.  As long as he stroke Andy's.......... Ego nonstop and keeps him from having to deal with reality, nothing we say will affect him in the slightest. <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  18:08, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * TK is Sméagol/Gollum trying to stick is finger into Andy's ring. Er, that analogy might read a bit gross. Sorry guys.  Lily Ta, wack! 18:58, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I doubt Andy ever reads this site. If anything, he gets "reports", mostly from TK. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:11, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Whatever. The lot of you are just angry and jealous because I'm right so often like in this instance. . . I can just feel the rightness oozing out of my pores. <font color="#ff0000">Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 21:06, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * That's not rightness coming out of your eyes. You should go see a doctor, and don't let it get on anybody else in the meantime.  Corryundefined 23:57, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Hehe, is it Eno Lirpa yet on server time? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:31, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Only one thing can save CP now
Well, two. Three. Four things, actually. But it all adds up to one great scheme. The above plan is based on the premise that CP is losing editors fast and therefore must attract a surge of new editors and quickly if it wants to survive. It goes without saying that these new editors must go unmolested (but the sysops at CP are extra stupid, so I said it anyway). Also, it'll provide us with better entertainment than the weak stuff CP sans editors is providing at the moment. EddyP 15:48, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Demote and block TK.
 * Andy must make an ass of himself again. The Lenski affair round 2, perhaps? This will attract attention and people will come to CP to argue.
 * Command all sysops to stop blocking users except for clear vandalism or parody. Revoke 90/10.
 * Command all sysops not to insult or intimidate new users attracted by Andy's tomfoolery, and behave reasonably towards them. This goes for you too, Andy.
 * Which would make CP, what exactly, a normal wiki? No thanks.   15:57, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The idea is that once the influx of new editors has occurred, it'll once more degenerate into the mess it is now, and we'll be laughing all the way (perhaps we'll actually see some *gasp* debate between lowly users and sysops again). EddyP 15:59, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * They tried that and didn't like it. I can't imagine they would do it again.   16:04, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I can't imagine they want CP to die, either. Reality's liberal bias is becoming more obvious to the, I think. Now shoo, I don't want your depressing comments. EddyP 16:06, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * So the point of the plan is to kill the major influence holding people back, give them a reason to come and then try to keep them at all costs? I see no reason why that couldn't be instigated months into the future. 17:42, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Andy will be perfectly happy if all of CP that remains is the homskollars & himself. Lectures, homework, history terms, and no libruls spewing teh deceitz all over the place. Like it or not, that is basically the deal he cut with the Enforcer, and he's getting it. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:20, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He could have gotten that by simply closing registration, and thereby not looking like an asshole with a hired cyber-thug. TheoryOfPractice 18:31, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but where's your competition with WP go then? 18:40, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * As far as Andy is concerned, CP is a wide open resource. His Faustian bargain was just to get rid of those pesky librul parodists and vandals.  Considering that Andy lives in a perpetual state of blithe denial of reality, he won't notice that there are no new editors arriving. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:48, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Obvious troll is obvious
TK waxes epistemological: Something that is a truism...shouldn't have to have "evidence" supplied...

So something that is obvious doesn't need evidence...so how the hell is it obvious?

TK trolling the last few people to stumble upon CP...now that's a truism. <font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513 17:18, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I am new here, so pardon my ignorance, but I believe I have heard people refer to TK as a troll, and through reading things he has said (Like the one you provided), it makes me actually believe it. Is he actually a troll, or really just that oblivious? --Passerby25 17:39, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * TK is trouble - he loves stirring it up and, to give him his due, he's pretty good at it. Try User:TK for full details. Silver Sloth 17:50, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Passerby25, TK's heart is black as coal, cold as a witch's tit, and meaner than sin. That exchange is par for the course.  As for whether he's an obvious troll, I think anything you read on a talk page that's not directed at another sysop or one of TK's cronies will appropriately set the stage for whatever conclusion there is to draw.  New guy stumbles onto CP, makes a few edits, asks a question, the trap is sprung.  Lather, Rinse, Repeat.  Nutty Roux 17:58, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I guess Silver Sloth meant TK. (Editor at CP, unlogged)
 * Ooops! I guess it's time Silver Sloth went to bed and dreamt Sloth dreams (very slowly) Silver Sloth 18:19, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The above quote is TK outright parodying Andy. He's now going down the Bugler route. Matt oblong 18:25, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

For those that just can't quite understand CP
Watching this at least for the first time made me understand where Andy, Ken and the boys are coming from and confirmed just how badly wrong they are. Matt oblong 18:06, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

So I'm curious...
TK once asserted in an email conversation that RW was against Conservapedia because CP was a source for conservative opinion, and all RationalWikians wanted to destroy any bastion for that opinion. I told him that the real reason RW was opposed to Conservapedia was that CP was full of hypocrisy and all-around nonsense. Was he right, or was I? -- <font color="#006666" >JArneal   18:19, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You were. End of story. -- 18:29, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Thank you, CUR. Short version: "TK once asserted... I told him... Was he right, or was I?"  "You were." <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:06, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * TK once told me that RW was funded by DailyKOS (or maybe Moveon.org?). His opinions are startlingly accurate.  19:34, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, he told me that Trent and Icewedge were "secretly members of the radical fascist group moveon.org, trying to indoctrinate liberals into their hateful way of thinking" Word for word. ENorman 19:55, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Ahaha, now TK sent me an angry email:
 * What I told you, liar, was that Trent and Ames were getting stipends from Moveon.org, which is usual for them, and many other sites. Too bad you will your usual, dishonest self, and never admit you were inaccurate.
 * The fact that many of us are not allowed to even post on your vandal wiki, to refute your misinformation campaign, is something I have been busy showing to liberals and fair-minded independent people all over the world.
 * --TK

So here's my log, TK:
 * TK: but other groups, like RW most likely funded by move on, Kos, whatever.....those groups spend millions every year fronting groups of kids, like at RW, to disrupt and discredit conservative opinion
 * Rod - Happy New Year! says: rw is funded by moveon.org?!
 * TK says: unknown.....just saying they do fund similair efforts, Kos does too
 * Rod - Happy New Year! says: ah, okay
 * TK says: they are pretty organized and dedicated not to be
 * TK says: I mean they have stuck with it for over two years now

I love how you read this all obsessively, yet can't keep your stories straight. Worse, you obsess over the details of RW's supposed "funding." Sorry I didn't care to remember jack all of what you spewed. 20:01, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He sent me an email too! He was maaaaaaaad. It was funny, though. He emailed the message meant for me to FernoKlump on accident first. What a moron! How do you like this trolling, TK?-- <font color="#006666" >JArneal   20:05, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Why does he even try keeping up this front? His bullshit is absurdly transparent to anyone who has dealt with him for any period of time, but no!  Conservapedia is an incredible force in the fight vs. liberalism!  Neonazi Moveon.org is pouring resources into its destruction.  Best of all, RW is apparently organized!  20:07, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Addendum: "The fact that many of us are not allowed to even post on your vandal wiki...." Is there a shoot-on-sight policy for anyone other than TK?  20:10, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * EC) If anyone receives an email from TK, may I recommend that they immediately publish it on RW. The man's a weasel (no offence Weaseloid) & is a veritable Wormtongue. 20:12, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * He doesn't realize that he's scared off so many people that he has no power over anyone. I'm sorry, this is just so funny:
 * TK:Are you so bored, that you are reduced to idle trolling on RW? Or are you having a day with low self-esteem, and you need validation?


 * The fact that from the very beginning the Founders of RW used socks to oppose conservative pronouncements, disrupt and vandalize, is the only proof most reasonable people, like the liberal reporter for the L.A. Times, need to see RW is a vandal site.


 * The fact that RW has always removed users who disagree with it, and done it secretly, or at the very least instructed its editors to not engage in discourse anywhere except there, where the conversation can be manipulated and controlled by Trent & Company is further proof. If you do not know about that, I say you are disingenuous or keeping yourself ignorant deliberately.


 * --Terry
 * FernoKlump:WTF???
 * FernoKlump:WTF???


 * TK is such an idiot.-- <font color="#006666" >JArneal   20:18, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * Well, nice rant, but you still ignore the fact that what you said is a lie, and anyone reading this exchange will see that you refused to answer or correct. Sorry I don’t sort all various sock email addresses for you guys, so it went to the wrong person, but all-in-all what’s the difference?  You were both trolls, using several names.


 * And if I am bored, reading WIGO, doesn’t that make me the same as the rest of your readers? :p


 * --TK


 * So I told him the truth: I never had a sock. -- <font color="#006666" >JArneal   20:27, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * My email says "Worldwide shipping for Viargas and others" :( <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:49, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Is that from TK?-- <font color="#006666" >JArneal   20:58, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I dunno, I deleted it. Got another one earlier today, but it was probably sent to the wrong address. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:29, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

After TK sent me that first email by mistake and I told him I wasn't JArneal, he responded with this:

"Here is yet another example of their deceit:

· (diff) (hist). . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism‎; 22:47. . (+39) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→Articles with copious amounts of plagiarism - )

· (diff) (hist). . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism/LSD‎; 22:46. . (-4) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→Text comparison - colour)

· (diff) (hist). . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism/LSD‎; 22:45. . (-9) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→See also - oops)

· (diff) (hist). . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism/LSD‎; 22:45. . (+45) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→See also - add)

· (diff) (hist). . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism/LSD‎; 22:44. . (-27) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→Text comparison - update)

· (diff) (hist). . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism/LSD‎; 22:41. . (-1,252) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→Text comparison - update)

(diff) (hist). . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism/LSD‎; 22:33. . (+460) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→Main article - update)

diff) (hist) . . Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism/LSD‎; 22:27 . . (+1,751) . . Lily The Pink (Talk | contribs) (→Main article - update)

I emailed Human about her assertion it is was plagiarism from WP. See her changes? Without retraction, even though the CP article, http://www.conservapedia.com/LSD clearly states (in the edit history: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=LSD&action=history  “Restoring with bare bones, no-nonsense information. Text from U.S. Government, mainly DEA and NIDA”) it was copied from government sources, which is permissible under CP rules. Odd she isn’t honest enough, no one at RW is honest enough, to actually retract, and show the WP originator of the article is the plagiarist, because it is against their rules, I am told, to copy government articles. "

I'm not sure what its supposed to mean. He might be drunk. --<font color="#000066" >FernoKlump <font color="#bd2433" > What the fuck Mr. Assfly??? That bastard DeanS deleted my petition! 21:45, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


 * I got the same email. I told off TK after he insisted that I had a sock, so now I think he'll leave me alone now. -- <font color="#006666" >JArneal   22:28, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * To quote our local boys, the toxic twins: "dream on". <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:04, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * We're supposed to apologize for someone else's actions?
 * Not until you apologize to me for the Winter War, TK. Barikada 01:48, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


 * I saw TK's original edit summary but the article itself has no by-line that it is obtained from PD sources. Karajou generally inserts a template at the bottom of his copy/pastes, TK gets the deniability by his edit summary but to Andy (who probably never reads edit summaries) it looks like TK has created another article of substance. I was checking over TK's edit history and his remarkable lack of substance. He just doesn't seem to "write" articles. He either makes minor edits to established articles, copies them from elsewhere or blathers on talk pages. Let's not forget that his dabs are on the majority of our Conservapedia:Blatant_plagiarism articles. He also blatantly LIED (where everyone could see rather than in private emails) about the UCLA article which he copied from WP and was then covered for by his two baitches Geo & Ed.  Lily Ta, wack! 03:03, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


 * So, basically, we get paid to vandalize CP? At three vandal accounts and twenty bullshit articles by various others not found, how much do I get? Oh, and a quote on Fundies Say the Darndest Things. That's gotta be worth something. EddyP 05:32, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * What happens is that we stoopid liberals put in all this effort for altruistic purposes to defeat the selfish, money-grabbing, toffee-nosed conservatives. All the money from Kos, pi-pledges and funding drives goes to feed Trent's drugs & booze habits, it's not easy being a student nowadays. Also he has to pay for his free-love. <font color=Blue>Генгис    09:45, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

.:::Blimey TK. Have things at 'home' really got that bad? When I say home, I mean the bed-sit, not the house you paid off over all those years that the wife got to keep. Chin up, old boy. Matt 05:49, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Answering your original question JArneal, you were right. I have NEVER bothered trying to post on Fox News or any of the other conservative sites. Not once. Why should I care what they think? They're welcome to their (incorrect) opinions. It was only because CP was so stuffed to the gills with gibberish and nonsense which had been inserted into pages by the owners of the site that I was bothered to try and correct the outright lies. For example, Hollywood Breast Cancers. That's not conservative opinion, that's just a fetid pool of statistical gibberish, and you know it, TK. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:47, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


 * That is what I wanted to know. Thank you.-- <font color="#006666" >JArneal   18:44, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Gentlemen-at-a-rather-conservative-website
It would appear that your website is in its death throes despite your "operations". Well, we could have, and did, warn you. Ace McWickedRevolt 19:21, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * "Despite" or "Due to"? --Kels 20:52, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Either, I am just trying to get Ken to dance for me. Ace McWickedRevolt 20:56, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DANCE MONKEY, DANCE!!! Ace McWickedRevolt 21:07, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Did someone finally install kenquote on CP? I thought they never installed the choose/option extension? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:26, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's funny that he focuses on "reach", since it's the only Alexa stat that makes CP look particularly beefier than our sausage. Ooh, pretty new Alexa with pretty new stats for us to grind teh YEClunes off the innertubes in the cataclysmic Operation Panda's Bumb! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:32, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Damn it... the cowardly little bastard deleted it... Anyone get a cap? <font color="#000066" >SirChuckB  00:34, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * Sorry, it seemed too trivial to me to bother. What's this "cache" thing people speak of and how can I get there, using FFxx on XP?  Is there a magic button to pull up the old version of closed tabs? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:51, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


 * Not sure but this might help. Basically look at about:cache. <font color="#000099">Worm  (<font color="#000099">t  05:41, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

<--- Did anyone notice this little gem (see right) on Ken's talk page? It seems that he's talking to himself again. Unsurprisingly the cryptic chess move is linked to a YouTube video. <font color=Blue>Генгис   12:05, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
 * At least Ken used a proxy - with predictable results. --Sid 14:51, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Wermz?
Hmmm... my sock I can't reach CP at the mo. Wonder if they've been had by this worm virus thingy that's supposed to be wreaking havoc. Or maybe Andy is about to reveal the longest running April Fool's of all. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:57, 1 April 2009 (EDT) Ah, nevermind, it's back. Bugger.
 * | TK likes a good | banana and | peanut butter | sandwich. Nutty Roux 10:54, 1 April 2009 (EDT)