Forum:Biggest crooks in the healthcare industry?

In my honest opinion-


 * 3- Dentists
 * 2- Surgeons
 * 1- Naturopathic/Chiropractic Physicians (I say they are tied).

Who is your top crooks in healthcare? --Rationalzombie94 (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Dentists and surgeons are crooks? FuzzyCatPotato™ (talk/stalk) 15:33, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * They're overpriced, to say the least. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 16:51, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest with you, I've never quite trusted dentists. This has mostly to do with their prescription of horrific treatments for symptomless problems.  I've never had a pain in my mouth that was so bad that I'd consider the drill the lesser evil.  Local anesthesia is a joke; you still feel the heat, smell the smoke, and know exactly what's going on.  If you're drilling holes in my head put me under for it.
 * The problem is that increasingly the entire medical profession is remaking itself in the image of dentistry. Most of the physic I eat is aimed at forcing various blood and other test results between the lines.  Of the four pills I take daily, only one relates to anything I've ever complained to a doctor about. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 03:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It's kinda remarkable how they'll go "OMG your gums are infected!" when they notice their sharp instruments are making it bleed. Yep, that blood is totally not your fault, dentist. >.>
 * It's also noteworthy that dentistry could be made obsolete by people just wearing something protective on top of their teeth when consuming substances. Just think of all the money we could save! 141.134.75.236 (talk) 07:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I remember this past October (2014) I had sharp pain in a broken tooth (note- a tooth the dentist broke) and I went there three times and they did nothing, so I went to a different dentist to find out I had a badly abscessed tooth. Yeah, I would have to say Dentists are crooks.--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 14:42, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Incompetence =/= crook
 * Overpriced =/= crook
 * Treating symptoms you haven't complained about =/= crook
 * Lieing = crook 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 23:12, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Overcharging everything (and not always bothering to even do a decent job) because people have come to accept/expect that dentists = expensive isn't a particularly honourable means of getting by, though. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Number one crooks by far in not only healthcare, but anything everywhere is INSURANACE COMPANIES!208.29.163.248 (talk) 21:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * What makes you say that? CorruptUser (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, ya known. All sorts of Heresay and Conjectures...which are *kinds* of evidence. And lets not forget Anecdotes.  Plenty of anecdotes of Insurance companies being dicks. 208.29.163.248 (talk) 01:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I gotta say, no one else in the healthcare industry is making the choice to purposefully kill patients. And many of them pay out for alt-med treatments.  ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

This is an odd amount of hate for dentists
Fun fact: infected gums and cavities are both directly associated with physiological stresses that can take years off your life. When they say "Wow your gums are infected, start flossing more" they aren't selling you anything. You can buy your floss anywhere. in particular, heart disease killing you young is a big concern. Another study showing the same.

Ugh. I need to floss more. 18:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * When a dentist is responsible for cutting out a gap in one of those big incisors in the upper jaw to 'fix' a teensy irregularity on it and filling it with something that falls out after a moderate amount of time and you're too poor to have that big gap fixed or sue the dentist, try not to be resentful. Really! It's kind of hard to make a good impression on potential employers when smiling at them makes them go "HOLY FUCK WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT TOOTH". 141.134.75.236 (talk) 20:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Here in the USA, we're increasingly struggling with the idea that if you get sick, it's all your fault from not living right. This is used to stir up resentments and resist taxpayer funded medical care.  Health is a "personal responsibility" now, which is just cant for "you're liable for punishment."  My perception is that dentists started this: the patient of your typical dentist gets the impression that he thinks that all of life's rich pageant is viewed through the pinhole of what's good or bad for your teeth.  We probably do need an article on healthism. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 20:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Health is complicated. But your teeth do matter, and daily personal care is comparatively simple.  None of that means that when something does go wrong, it's your fault.  Just that no one can floss for you.  ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 21:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That's just it. I find the difference between "no one can floss for you," and "it's all your fault if something bad happens" that flossing is supposed to prevent, is elusive.  And this dynamic gets reproduced endlessly in the media: a weekly scare about some bugbear ingredient in food, an endless stream of body-shaming, a glut of unsolicited advice about diet and exercise.  The intertwining of moralism and health is one factor slowly eroding the prestige of physicians. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 04:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh come on, I'm just repeating advice that countless medical professionals have given and providing a bit of scientific context as to why. If you don't floss, I'm not judging you.  If you do floss, I'm still not judging you.  ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 13:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that many children, specially poor children, grow up without proper education about health. They also are bombarded with things that destroy their health(candy, video games, drugs, etc)... These people get sick and do not have the money to spend to fund most doctors mansions. That is correct, most doctors make a ton of money off of preying upon sick people. In fact, doctors *need* sick people and there for have no real interest in helping society become healthy. Peoples teeth are extremely important to their health and happiness. A dentist wants to charge 5k for a 30 minute procedure as if he is god and actually deserves that amount of money. You may disagree but the facts speak for themselves. Who suffers the most? The people who can't afford 3 month of pay because they were simply born poor. You can claim that anyone and "work" out of poverty but that is just your psychopathy speaking. We can validate that simply by taking any richer person and taking all their money away and connections and see how long it takes them to work back up to being rich. Pretending that starting off already at the finish line isn't an advantage is BS.

There is a toll on society when health is treated as a commodity. Sick people are not just unhappy, they are less productive and more prone to mental health. Being in pain constantly is not just not fun but creates mental issues and interrupts normal function. People are brainwashed by the capitalistic system that pretends everyone is an individual and wealthy people somehow are better. Most wealthy people are no more intelligent or hard working than anyone else. In fact, many are scrupulous and do anything to amass wealth using nefarious means. Also, the infrastructure that society has built, built by the working class, is used by these wealth people to amplify their wealth generation. For example, roads enable people to make more wealth, specially corporations. These roads were built by poor people, not by the rich. Do the rich pay their fair share? Obviously not because they know how to manipulate the government to bypass the taxes they would normally have to pay. The American Healthcare system is not sane. It takes it's toll on society and the ramifications are starting to become apparent. For example, the opioid drug pushing scheme by big pharma has ruined millions upon millions of lives, yet the people involved in the scheme do not pay, in fact, they benefit. Same old game but just new psychotic faces. There are people who are willing to do anything for money and that ultimately is the problem.