MediaWiki talk:Common.css/Archive1

Hey
Hey Pi, quit messing with the look and feel without discussion :( It's disconcerting...  04:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He only changed the testing group, something that should not need discussing. Nx (talk) 05:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Nx, I am not really familiar with CSS. Is there away I can make all subpage have the same effect, say with a regex command? 05:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There is in CSS3 (what you need is body[class^=page-User-Π]), i.e. it will only work on modern browsers. IE7 supports it too, so it's not that bad
 * Hm, not working for some reason. Nx (talk) 05:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, of course, I know why it doesn't work, hold on Nx (talk) 05:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There you go. Nx (talk) 05:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. 05:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

So are we going to explain to everyone how to upload fonts on this thing? Or can we "automate" it from outside this file? Just curious... your test worked on my FF 3.5, of course. I wonder who else it worked for? 08:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you're wanking just because you can. I hope the help file you write when you're done makes this clear and easy for everyone to use.  If so, I apologize.  But my experience with code-wankers is that they install shit just because they can, and can't explain to normal people how to use it.  Please prove me wrong.  09:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 

Personal modifications
I think we should have a debate on this. 22:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we already are ;) It might actually belong at community standards talk, though.  23:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * this stuff simply doesn't belong in common.css. Sorry, Mei.  03:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Fonts
I have removed all of them, as they were what Jeeves took offence at originally, before it was only my sig that was the problem. 10:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Fonts are not just for personal stuff, they're also for rationalwiki stuff, e.g. the derrington font was for ten commandments. Nx (talk) 10:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I don't care about it any more, and I won't bother adding back ttf and eot file upload support after the next upgrade. Nx (talk) 10:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Due to the controversy? 10:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've received too much flaming from day one because of this, not just because of your sig. If the mob decides they want it, the instructions are on Trents talk page, and the patch is in my home directory on the server. If the mob decides they want to use images instead, they can also do that. I don't care. Nx (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A few technophobes got upset because they didn't understand it. Don't let that stop you, you should give us as many options to be creative as possible, we should make this the best wiki we are capable of making. By the is that vector stuff a new skin available under 1.15? 10:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Vector is experimental and unfinished, and what's worse, even though it looks similar to monobook, the developers made a few senseless changes (like renaming of classes of things that do the same thing, or introduction of new system messages for the vector tabs, though that's probably just because of the experimental nature of the skin) that do nothing but break existing stuff (resulting in an edit war on Wikipedia over a compatibility gadget which was added by one sysop without discussion). I'm not touching it until we upgrade to a version of mediawiki which includes the skin. Nx (talk) 10:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a shame, it looked nice. I would like to see some changes to the skin though. When WikiSynergy came to our attention Human complained about their colours and a disgruntled user pointed out that at least it didn't look like yet another Wikipedia knock off. I thought they were both right, WS colours were awful and we look like a Wikipedia knock off. I was hoping in the upgrade to the vector skin we could make some changes to differentiate ourselves a little more. 10:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't need vector for that. You can find skinning tutorials on mediawiki (it's easiest to copy monobook and then play around with its main.css). You can make a custom rationalwiki skin and ask Trent or me to upload it. Then you can get the mob to change the default to that. Nx (talk) 10:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have an old box I have been thinking of giving a new lease of life too. How hard and what hardware requirements are need to install mediawiki? 11:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't tell you that, but if you just want to play around with mediawiki, they shouldn't be very high. You'll find installation instructions here Nx (talk) 11:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "The recommended minimum requirements are 256MB of RAM for a single-computer website and 40MB of storage, although this will not suffice for a busy public site or a site with uploading enabled. Some users have reported running MediaWiki on computers with as little as 48MB of RAM." Nx (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably will largely be be dependent on the OS I chose. What is RW running on? 11:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ubuntu 8.10, desktop edition, although you should install the server edition instead. Nx (talk) 11:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I knew it would be Linux. I am going to have face my demons and make the jump. 12:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you use Ubuntu, you can get all of the software needed to run automatically by installing the MediaWiki package. 12:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Except the package in 9.04 is outdated, it contains MW 1.13. Ubuntu 9.10 alpha contains 1.15. Alternatively, you can try installing the package from debian on 9.04 manually, that's what I did. Try this one, it should be compatible since 9.04 is based on lenny Nx (talk) 12:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but I think the packages on which it depends are up to date. 12:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, they should install with the dependent packages from ubuntu (I think there's a mediawiki-extensions package and a mediawiki-math package that you also need to get from lenny). If it doesn't work, I'll build an Ubuntu 9.04 package for MediaWiki 1.15 (if we're going to upgrade the server, I'm going to need it anyway) Nx (talk) 12:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks, I'll have to look into all this. 12:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

srsly
fonts for your user page on Common.css? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 (Dictated But Not Read) / Talk / Block 15:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not this again! Look, I asked the mob, and no-one cared. 15:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That was actually addressed at 3.BoN's latest addition, which seems like it could have been handled a little more gracefully...and locally. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 (Dictated But Not Read) / Talk / Block 20:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I am aware, there is no easy way to clean it up without a performance overhead. 21:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually it has been there for ages, I removed it recently and just stuck it back when I realised it wasn't doing any harm. If you have a better way of overcoming the annoying arial face I would like to hear it. 23:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ignorant
Is this page loaded with every RW page? If so is that one reason why my 3G phone's so slow to load pages here? Just askin'. 01:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is. However it is "only" 4 kilobytes, so that isn't the reason pages load slowly. If you have a lot of gadgets that can be one reason. -- Nx  / talk 01:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Floaty brain
Whither did it go? 18:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Personal cruftage revisited
I've made an extension that allows you to insert css into a page using a tag. The css is sanitized, so it should be safe, but it also won't allow you to override the logo (which was the majority of the personal cruftage that was removed). Here's an example. Should I install it? -- Nx  / talk 21:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Source code of the extension -- Nx  / talk 22:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Was there no extension that did this already? I'm surprised. Anyway, hey, if people go unfunnily insane with it then we can call it a problem. And of course submit it to mediawiki.org. (Is the VandalBin a RW original? A variant of that would be WONDERFUL for Wikipedia. And RW may be small, but submitting code to MediaWiki is a fantastic way to get WMF respect and to get things done more the way one would like) - David Gerard (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops, there are a few. Don't know why I didn't check -- Nx  / talk 22:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Although neither mediawikiwiki:Extension:CSS nor mediawikiwiki:Extension:PageCSS work when the page is cached. -- Nx  / talk 22:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh. Submit yours as an improvement. Or steal any functionality of theirs - David Gerard (talk) 22:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)