Talk:Oregon Petition

I feel so ashamed for my state now. 02:13, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Could we put a copy of the petition on the site - illegible specimen signature and all - or would that breach copyright?--Bobbing up 11:45, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Fair use includes criticism - if the image (etc.) is pertinent to the criticism, we are justified.  ħ uman  02:05, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

In Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" the State Science Institute issued a similar opinion about Reardon Metal, based on how they felt about it, and not lab results:

"It may be possible that after a period of heavy usage a sudden fissure may appear, though the length of this period cannot be predicted. The possibility of a molecular reaction, at present unknown, cannot be entirely discounted. Although the tensile strength of the metal is obviously demonstrable, certain questions in regard to its behavior under unusual stress are not to be ruled out. Although there is no evidence to support the contention that the use of the metal should be prohibited, a further study of its properties would be of value."

Fortunately science doesn't work by taking votes. Francine 01:59, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Strangely, I have no idea on earth what that comment has to do with this article (or anything else). Perhaps you could clarify the butter?  ħ uman  02:05, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Ghee Human, what a strange turn of phrase. JazzMan 02:24, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Only if you bring the crustaceans. (Which, in spite of living in dead crustacean heaven, I don't find that tasty - except, maybe, for the big claws)  ħ uman  02:28, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Haven't you heard? Anything in the rivers or sea, that has neither fins nor scales, is an abomination. Dead crustaceans have no heaven; their fate is to be delivered unto the inferno. 21:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Size of JPG
I've been trying to reduce the size of the image somewhat as it rather dominates the page and also put it in a frame. But when I frame it then I can't change the size. What am I missing?--Bobbing up 11:51, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks Genghis.--Bobbing up 02:57, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

Dumbassery
I find this: "The barely legible, sample signature on the example slip used by the project could be read to be 'Edward Teller'... and the word ''physics' looks like it was scrawled by a five-year-old." to be the most dumbassed statement I have seen on this wiki. Were you even trying to not be a dumbass here? 22:12, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

For your information, I have just spent the last three weeks pouring over literally hundreds of voter registration cards (I work in the county elections office) and have observed a great deal of terrible handwriting and illegible signatures. So, speaking as someone with, you know, actual experience reading people's signatures (unlike the lot of you, apparently), I can tell you that that signature isn't too bad. It's not good, but it isn't particularly horrid; the last letter of the first name and most of the letters of the last name are legible. (Which admittedly doesn't sound particularly impressive, but in a signature, any amount of legibility is a plus—many people's signatures are truly unreadable and look like they were produced by a seismograph.)  22:12, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

With regards to the word "physics" looking like it was written by a five-year-old, drawing on more of my experience to in this area, it looks like it could have been written by anyone. 22:12, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

The lesson here is, if you're going to try and be snarky, take a moment to make it somewhat intelligent. Otherwise you're just being a dumbass. 22:12, 3 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Um, RA did you forget to take your lithium? JazzMan 00:50, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Wile I agree that RA's right (about both sig & "physics": Steady on RA! what's happened to you? You were all sweetness & light & now you're snapping at everyone. 03:26, 4 October 2008 (EDT)


 * The petition itself is "dumbass" in that it doesn't ask for the signee's name to be printed in a legible form. I'm sure RA's experience with signatures will be that those signatures are appended to some more formal means of identification which include an address and a legible name. So Bob's criticism of the signature as a means of identification is justified. The fact that many American's handwriting is barely better than that of a five six-year old just proves the point that any hick could have signed the page rather than a man who was raised and educated in Hungary at a time when a good handwriting was the norm. Генгис    03:42, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry Susan. I have no idea what's come over me.  Maybe it's something in the air?   04:39, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually I think that "barely legible" describes it quite well.RA himself says: "the last letter of the first name and most of the letters of the last name are legible." which presumably means that some of the letters are not legible - which would seem to be saying something quite similar to "barely legible".--Bobbing up 05:35, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * My signature is totally illegible - but consistent - I normally print alongside unless my name's printed close by. 03:02, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Mine is sort of a blur that hints at a couple of letters in my name. And, yes, anywhere that matters there is a printed version somewhere nearby.  ħ uman  03:20, 5 October 2008 (EDT)