Template talk:Holydaze/Archive1

Birthday hysteria
Human, Susan... you realize you've opened up the possibility of everyone adding their birthday? Can't you see what you've done?! No one can afford to get presents for everyone! Next thing you know, we'll only be getting presents for the people we like! People will start fighting! There'll be blood in the streets! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! ...Can I add my birthday, too? -- 02:45, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Heh! Susan  Miouw  02:52, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * I say, everyone add their friggin' birthday! (there's only 30 of us!) Mine is easy, cause it was Pearl Harbor day ---  what's your excuse? !!!  &mdash; Unsigned, by: Human / talk / contribs


 * March 11. Same day (and year) as Douglas Adams. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]Genghis  Marauding 04:16, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Shabbat?
Why don't we add Shabbat for every Friday sundown-Saturday sundown when there isn't any other holiday? Yah it's every frickin' Friday... but we could have a lot of fun with it. I imagine something like "Bad boy! You're not supposed to have the computer on!" -- 04:30, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sure, why not, Jew boy? (no offense!!!). But what will every Shabbat say? PS, I wanted to buy a nice little Haddock samwich a couple dayz ago... darn, the Lee Circle Grocery is out of haddock!!! Why?  Friday (first one) in lent, wiped them out.  Wow.  Damn religious wierdoes messin' with my diet?  Eh... I should pay attention to the "holydaze", I guess? human  04:37, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Memorial Day?
Don't you 'muricans have a holiday today? and is Memorial Day a happy let's-celebrate-our-heroes kind of thing? O is it a sad let's-mourn-the-poor-saps-who-got-killed-in-senseless-wars kind of thing? Or a little of both? Where I come from, we do the latter on 11/11. we don't really do the former...anyway, should someone south of the 49th throw up a template? PFoster 10:40, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It's one of those typical schizophrenic events. We have Veteran's Day in the autumn, I guess that's for the ones that got back alive.  So the formal deal is a sad one (WGBH playing Britten's War Requiem, etc.), bu what people do is drive as far as they can afford and cook outdoors.  It's the "formal" beginning of summer (although it doesn't really start consistently until July 4 up north).  We probably just left it off, not having anything funny or snarky to say.  Speaking of which, we are still bannerless for July 4 and July 14.  ħ ψɱɐ ₦  14:26, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Friday
What of the Pastafarian holiday of Friday, the most sacred of holidays? -- *Gen. S.T. Shrink*  Get to the bunker  18:58, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I thought Wednesday was Prince Spaghetti Day?  ħ uman  19:44, 5 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Now you isn't being very sensetive to Murder this most sacred of days. You need a lesson in sensitivity. -- *Gen. S.T. Shrink*  Get to the bunker  19:49, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Automating this
I am not to sure how this works but it looks like this has to be done manually.

Could we not use the variables built into the wiki software and call each one and import them to recent changes as  ? And if so do I now have to make 366 templates for suggesting this? $\approx$$\pi$ 00:40, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It is done manually, yes. The trouble is that some of the holydaze are not "fixed" dates, and have to be done manually. The Easters, for example.  ħ uman  00:47, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * All the ones that move can be worked out in advanced so if someone is so inclined then all they have to is sit down early January and move the ones that need moving and... I have just volunteered for another job haven't I? $\approx$$\pi$ 00:50, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Uh, yeah. The trouble with that is it's still "manual".  However, I had an idea since my last reply.  Many of these can be automated  (watch out for leap years! - because the MW thing is "day # xxx", making July 4 wrong on leap years...) And we could just leave the difficult ones to be done manually.  Feel free to experiment and put your results on my talk page as a template (add lots of silly ones, like "August 21, the day I figured this out" for testing).   ħ uman  00:54, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Um, can you experiment in a sandbox rather than editing this?  ħ uman  01:09, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay I didn't seem to actually change anything it was all there just it was transcluded rather than actually on the page. I will go create a playbox of my own User:3.14159/Holydaze, come visit. $\approx$$\pi$ 01:13, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll be glad to see your work, sorry for the rollback, no offense I hope. Will you update me at my talk page as you build your version?  I do think it would be awesome if this was automated, but let's piece it together before loading it up.  Does the wiki stuff you listed above actually work?  (please feel free, as I said, to place examples on my talk page so I can watch them work)  Have you seen the "electdays" (I think it's called that) template?  Since those were all "hard" dates, of course it works.  ħ uman  01:16, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think lunar based events are out of question for automating as the wiki software doesn't take that (at least that I am aware of). The fixed date is fine the one on my sandboxy thing will change everyday. What I would like to do that might not be beyond the realm of possibility is the third Monday of the month style thing. $\approx$$\pi$ 01:30, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am watching with excited anticipation. Especially that "third Monday" thing.  Hell, if you pull together a well-done automation of 90% of this (or more?) that will be very cool.  ħ uman  01:43, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

<-- "Make the equation above equal if you want to turn the boycott on." - does that mean "change the zero to a one"?  ħ uman  14:50, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Or 1 to zero either way is good. - User   06:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)


 * The only problem with the automation of holydaze is that it operates on server time not user time, so it will not kick in soon enough for the antipodes. That's why I asked Trent to develop a magic word to take the local time zone into account. He just politely ignored me. Генгис    06:59, 27 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Fixed. - User   07:35, 27 October 2008 (EDT)


 * = 07:42 - Local time at server
 * = 11:42 - UTC
 * = 12:42 - Time where I am and which shows up in my preferences.
 * These times don't always do what you think they do! I have looked at all this before you know, as tried to implement a "time since this page was last edited" template a while back. Генгис    07:47, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Some what disappointing oh well. - User   07:53, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Is there a way to "add" 12 hours on each side of any given day? That's how we usually do them manually - run them for a good 36 hours or so?  (IE, "start" at 00:01 in the "first" time zone in the day and "end" at 23:59 in the "last" time zone?  ħ uman  15:12, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It could be done using parser functions BUT it would be confusing when you have two consecutive days with different events. Генгис    16:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, yeah, they'd both show at the same time, but is it really "confusing"? Like, it's New Year's Day (morning) in UK when it's New Year's Eve in Hawaii, but we are all familiar with cubic time, right?  ħ uman  17:34, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * How about things that only occur in even numbered years, like the new "1104" one - which should be "1Tue11evenyearsonly" or some such?  ħ uman  14:05, 3 November 2008 (EST)
 * Fixed. - User   19:24, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Seems like the election template got pulled a bit early... what time zone are we using? Polls are still open across most of the country... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:35, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Festivus!
We should definitely have Festivus on here (December 23rd). Perhaps we should also celebrate Festivus properly on RationalWiki, with the Airing of Grievances and the Feats of Strength (although it could get messy).

Could we also add Yak Shaving Day? Not sure what date it is, but we could make one up (sometime in January maybe?). <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 07:25, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You never shave yaks in January, they'd catch their death of cold. Normally late May.  <font color=Blue>Генгис    07:53, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * BTW shouldn't we have "Winterval" as well? <font color=Blue>Генгис    07:56, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not a specific date; just a vaguery like "the holiday season". See WP:Winterval.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 08:36, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

But it's not Conservapedia day yet
Maybe it's explained somewhere else, but this template is a little premature, isn't it? JazzMan 19:20, 20 November 2008 (EST)


 * It's just passed midnight in the UK. You must have your preferences set to GMT which is probably the default.  Go to "my preferences" & you should be able to set it to your local time.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 19:24, 20 November 2008 (EST)


 * I set my preferences; I think the template is set to server time, which is GMT. For world-wide holidays this wouldn't matter, since they start at midnight GMT, but this is a CP-exclusive (i.e. anti-anti-American), so it should start at 5am GMT. Of course, by the time someone figures out how to do that, it might very well be midnight (America time) anyway. JazzMan 19:29, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * Nice point. Weasel, do these now run for the full 47 hours or so that they are valid (ie, earliest time zone to latest?) or they end at midnight GMT? Just curious... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  20:35, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * I am starting to look at a means of putting in a 6 hour window either side. - User   19:12, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * We really need that, running these for just 24 hours on GMT is often wrong. Like, it's still T-day over all the US but the banner is gone... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:14, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I deleted
Saint somebody's day (Cecilia, you're breakin' my heart oh Cecilia,.....) because it was teh stoopid. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:53, 21 November 2008 (EST)
 * NO U! -- 06:35, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Easter
How the hell did you do it? I'm impressed (very!!!) if the claim is true. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:22, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Y=Year; A=mod(Y,19); B=floor(Y/100); C=mod(Y,100); D=floor(B/4); E=mod(B,4); F=floor((B+8)/25); G=floor((B-F+1)/3); H=mod(19*A+B-D-G+15,30); I=floor(C/4); K=mod(C,4); L=mod(32+2*E+2*I-H-K,7); M=floor((A+11*H+22*L)/451);

Day=mod(H+L-7*M+114,31) + 1; Month=floor((H+L-7*M+114)/31);

There are a serious of templates called Easter/A, ..., Easter/M and two others Easter/Day and Easter/Month. - User   19:23, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * F***ing hell! 19:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, so all you did was program a lunar/solar calendar integrator? You know, it took the Jews thousands of years to write the first version... and the Christians still have to 'phone Jerusalem to find out when Easter will be each year ;)  Nice work. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:58, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * Cool. Is there a simple way to tweak that code or link to the calculation to make templates for other days that revolve around Easter?  E.G. Shrove Tuesday (Pancake Day / Mardi Gras) - forty days before Easter.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 07:04, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Unusual event
Both Orthodox and Roman Easter is the same this year so both templates will display at the same time, should we let them? 05:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Suggest clean-up
This page is very cluttered, & it isn't clear how many of these are active. Am I right in thinking that only the ones listed as templates at the top are automatically activated, & all the others are things that have been used before but won't necessarily be used again? If so, can some of them be either set up as templates, or archived somewhere? <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w easeLOId ~ 18:55, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * None of the "section" holydaze are automated, they used to be made "live" manually with noinclude tags. The subpage templates are all automatic.  Ideally, we will take all the good section ones and make subpages of them, deleting from the main page.  We should leave one "generic" (image - text - image in a little table) one for people to copy easily, I guess.  So if you want to, moving "section" things to subpages is the thing to do now.  At least, the ones that can be pegged to dates and that are worthwhile - ie, some of the birthdays probably shouldn't be saved ;)  Unless we set up a RW "happy birthday" thing (on the intercom? automated?) <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:09, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I have been thinking about this and have some new and some old ideas.

1. Obviously, the useful daze that aren't "coded" yet should be. I may attack some of them soon.

2. The "not so useful" ones should be deleted.

3. With the page de-cluttered, I propose adding the following:


 * A. Some clear instructions on how to make new ones (using weird fonts? check in arial first, etc.).
 * B. Some "sandboxing" sections


 * i. One that is a blank section for making up new formats entirely
 * ii. One that is the basic "centered big text/small text" layout
 * iii. One that is the "image left and right plus text in middle" layout.


 * Then users can play using "preview" until they like their results, and copy what works without saving, add their new template name and paste the working version into the new file.

What thinkest ye who care about this template? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:25, 24 December 2008 (EST)


 * Fine. Good suggestions.  I've been meaning to come back to this for a while; just haven't got round to it.  <font color="maroon" face="Hurry Up"> w assaiLOId [[Image: Weaselly.jpg|15px]]~ 18:28, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks. I just burned through a bunch of sections and automated them, got a few more to do, then we need to decide whether to just delete the leftovers.  Also, there are some I'll need technical help on (Pi?) - Chanukah and Kwaanza which are several days (might get a bit crowded), Rosh Hashana and Passover are like Easter and float with the moon... Anyway.  I'll have it mostly done soon, and I'll probably copy the tough ones to the bottom of the talk page. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:03, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Buy nothing day
1. where is the template?

2. kan we haz article to link to on site? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:15, 27 November 2008 (EST)


 * 1. here: Template:Holydaze/1128‎ but it actually needs to be moved to the Friday after US-american Thanksgiving--i foolishly put i under this year's date. I don't like fucking with templates, so could you handle that for me, sweetcheeks? Thanks, sugar.


 * 2. Will do. thanks. PFoster 23:21, 27 November 2008 (EST)


 * 1. I suspected that, but entered the wrong date I think ;) It's gonna be hard to make properly, since it can be the fifth Friday of the month some years. (4Fri11 would break in those circumstances).  We might need to call in more talented geeks on this one.


 * 2. Excellent, thanks! <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:37, 27 November 2008 (EST)

World Humanist Day
This is designated as the same day as the northern summer solstice - June 21. I believe it should be included in our celebrations. <font color=Blue>Генгис   14:48, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * Can Humanists have a "holy day"? Yours trulyDear Sir 14:56, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * LOL. I'm not fully in agreement with the name Holydaze but I guess it's a bit of snark.  <font color=Blue>Генгис    15:05, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * Religious humanists can certainly have a holy-day, although why the humanist union should have picked the date of a pagan one is beyond me. 15:18, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Times
As we have now had a few holidays go past I was wondering how everyone is finding the times that the message is up for? I know from my perspective it does seem to drag on because if I am up past 10:30pm it comes on the day before and does not disappear until 10:30pm (or later ?) the day after (so I saw Valentines day all day on the 14th and 15th). I was wondering if I have made the extra time either side too wide. - User   19:12, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Last time I edited (or saw?) the time window it looked right - +/- 12 hours, basically. And they look about right - I always see the holy day the evening before, but that's because it is that day east of here.  IOW, it works the way I envisioned, although it would be super-sweet to restrict it for a given user to their specified time zone. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:19, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * So you are getting it all day on the day? - User   19:21, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, absolutely. For me (EST) they seem to run from the afternoon before to the morning after, which is about right. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:36, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Lent
I know it's now late in the day, but I notice we don't have a template for Shrove Tuesday / Mardi Gras / Carnival / Pancake Day (i.e. today). I was about to make one, but then realised I don't know how. The date is calculated backwards from Easter, so is there any way of linking from the Easter template (or copying the relevant parts of it) to make a template for dates that are dependent on Easter? 16:56, 24 February 2009 (EST)
 * I was wondering if it was worth it, myself. It would be nice to just be able to "subtract 40 days" (or whatever) from the Easters, but is this day really worth bothering with?  Pancake Day, hehe, I remember we used to have UK pancakes (crepes in US) on Shrove Tuesday when I was a kid.  Although, I don't think we observed Lent or anything. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  19:41, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Template:Holydaze/0521 and Template:Holydaze/0522
Due to the recent confusion, and the sadly lacking ability of most RWians to drink hard for 48 hours straight, I think we should reduce the RW birthday thing to one day. 03:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Was it the 22nd or does the date change according to your setting? 04:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hard to tell. RW2 started late 5/21 CST, but mostly was joined/etc. on 5/22 CST.  I think we should just simply make it 5/22, the user creation log for 5/21 is even borked, last I checked -  Several of us do not even have a user cretin log.  But what I was referring to was the issue of when to celebrate.  As it is, holy daze run for 48 hours, so wearing people out with drinking for 72 hours, and confusing them, might not be a good idea.  So let's pull the RWB template back to 5/22 only?  04:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll note I was never "created", for example. 04:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you evolved? 05:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Or maybe I just "gooed" to "me" or sumthin'. Via the zoo, of course.  I think I spontaneously abrupted, as far as the records can tell - I always was, and always will be!  That I am is that I am, that I exist is that my existence is implicit in what I am... eh... the fun is running out my leg... Anyway, yeah, ax the double-day birthday thing?  05:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The official history has always read 22nd, which I think is double plus good. I will memory hole the 21st. 05:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, no harm in the official history saying "late in the evening of May 21", but yeah, 5/22 is our date of resurrection, and just like Jesus 2.0 was a Sunday gig, we were a Monday thing. 05:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

redlinks
There's a pile of weird redlinks in Wanted pages that all link back to here, but i can't find them here to edit them. What's going on? Totnesmartin 09:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They are being request dynamically by the parser functions. They change everyday, just ignore them. If they existed they would be displayed on the recent changes list. 09:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * one day i'll understand computers. Totnesmartin 09:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a lot of them relate to testing for whether it's Easter anywhere in the universe. 21:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Monday's breast cancer one
Did anyone see that it was suppose to appear? I don't remember seeing it. 02:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)