Talk:Potentiating mutation

It was stated recently that apples had their genes duplicated at about the time the dinosaurs died out (have the 'dinosaurs cohabiting with humans brigade' discovered this?) - would this be an example of a potentiating mutation?
 * I'm not an expert on the subject but I think it would. -- 18:24, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Anyone got a good reference for this? (Dinosaurs, and the snake in the Garden of Eden for anyone wishing to confuse Conservapedia)
 * This article? - I can't comment much, to be honest, on account of not being an evolutionary biologist by trade. Looks relatively interesting, though. 19:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that that would be a potentiating mutation. A potentiating mutation allows an organism to develop a trait which it would not have developed without that mutation. Logically this con only be decided with hindsight. What trait did apples develop as a consequence of this mutation?--BobSpring is sprung! 20:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've replaced the apples with the more famous and indisputable Lenski example.--BobSpring is sprung! 06:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I pasted the apples back in with a "more" tag for now. I am curious, though not convinced.  07:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got a problem with the gene duplicating apples in this case. For all I know its true, but even if is true there is nothing to demonstrate that it was in fact a potentiating mutation.  The fact that gene duplication can be potentiating does not mean that it was in this case.  So references needed for both the duplication and its consequences.
 * If nothing more comes up I shall remove it again in a week or so.--BobSpring is sprung! 08:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why I asked for more. If none is forthcoming, feel free to remove!  08:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I do find references to the the apple genome being duplicated around that time. But that leaves me to another question.   The dinosaurs died out - what - 60+ million years ago?  Even on evolutionary time-scales that's quite a long time.
 * That was enough time for shrew-like mammals to evolve into elephants, sperm whales and us. It would seem surprising if the only descendent of that ancient evolutionary doubling was the apple tree.--BobSpring is sprung! 11:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't go all Mr. Science on me! I just want to know why I have two apples, instead of two cows!  06:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been a while, but I'm voting we remove the apple thing. I haven't really been able to find much for potentiating mutation and apples (not surprising, considering we're the first hit for potentiating mutation - apparently not a common phrase).  Basically, re: the apples thing - what later development occurred because of the gene duplication?  It seems that we've had trouble answering this, so I'd like to just remove the statement.  We could also just mention apples briefly in the second sentence where gene duplication is talked about.  ThunderkatzHo! 21:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if it can't really be backed up properly it's best cut to the talk page in its entirety. 00:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I have pants on my head
Yeah, but you dont understand...have you not read Genises where apples are clearly fundamental to human nature and derive special meaning to us humans. This is why only apples survived to demonstrate the temptation of evil is always around the next corner. We have to resist this temptation long enough for apples to no longer travel through our systems and be replanted into the earth through excretion. Then, the seeds of Evil will die out and humans will once again be free to live in the garden of eden as our long lost cousins once did.

Its that simple-i dont see all the fuss over citations, just read Genisus
 * Didn't we create a special page for posts like this?--BobSpring is sprung! 20:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Did we? ТyUser_talk:Tyrannis 20:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * RationalWiki:Best of the crazy. But I don't think we remove them from the original page.  ThunderkatzHo! 20:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that's right, we don't. And being weird is not a good reason to delete a post.--BobSpring is sprung! 20:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, it was just so... stupid, yes that describes it best. ТyUser_talk:Tyrannis 20:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)