Talk:Whistleblower

What's the deal with this article?
What's the deal with this article? If it's supposed to be a thing about phoney illuminati claims, just put that content in the illuminati article instead. Or better still, don't; we've been spammed with far too many illuminati YouTube links recently & I doubt anyone (other than the one or two editors/BoNs who keep posting them) is keen to watch this nonsense. Whistleblowing is actually a thing and we have articles about famous cases like Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning, so we're not serving the subject well with an article/listicle like this. 11:13, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * +1&uarr; Needs a rewrite! Scream!! (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * yeah, now that I think about it, I really need to think crap through before I make new pages. As for the rewrite, my writing is horrible. What should we do with this article? Move it to Funspace?--Tsunadi (talk)

11:24, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've done a bit to it but more is needed. Some of the redlinks might do with de-redding? Scream!! (talk) 12:15, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd never heard of the "National Whistleblowers[sic] Centre" - worth an article? Scream!! (talk) 12:17, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Just looked them up. I think so.--Tsunadi (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Alpha
Which total twonk re-alphabetised by first names? Stupidity! Scream!! (talk) 12:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Katt Williams
In this video, I found Katt Williams talking about the Illuminati, but it doesn't sound like he's doing 'whisdtleblowing" from the context (Though I found certain CTs waving their dicks around about it)

http://mycolumbuspower.com/2443241/katt-williams-says-kevin-hart-is-in-the-illuminati-video/

I don't know what to make of it. It's five minutes long, and as far as I know not quote-mined. Does "Illuminati" have any double meanings like when George H.W. Bush used the term "New World Order"?--Tsunadi (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a Conspiracy theorist's rant about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW0huqzklH8 --Tsunadi (talk) 12:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Where's the REFUTATION? Can't you debunk this??? KAtt Williams SAYS "We are against the Illuminati in our own detriment" when asked about the Illuminati! Debunk THAT!--174.25.5.8 (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm still WAITING!--174.25.5.8 (talk) 13:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * So, no one has an idea what Katt means? Could he be joking?--サトセレ 13:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Who the fuck is Katt Williams?  PsyGremlin undefined 13:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * An actor. I believe he had a role in the Scary Movie series. He's known around the fringe for the speech i linked to (And the BoN went crazy over). I personally don't know what to make of the speech.--サトセレ 14:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Is anyone going to DEBUNK THIS? WELL?--141.0.9.61 (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You expect us to debunk that someone said a thing? I'm not watching a stupid video about scary movie 5 to see the context, but I gotta suspect a bare assertion is what you expect me to "debunk". Ikanreed (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, you're too lazy. I'll tell you the quotes:

"We are against the Illuminati in our own detriment", "When people are against the Illumianti, they are puched in the face, and no one likes them" Dave Chapelle was never part of the Illuminati, because they don't want no one like us"

A MOVIE ACTOR is admitting it in a FIVE MINUTE interivew!--141.0.9.61 (talk) 15:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, sunshine, but every word you type makes it less likely that anyone will take you seriously. Scream!! (talk) 15:45, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And what exactly am I saying that causes that? You seem to be dodging my statements.--141.0.9.61 (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * MOVIE ACTORs are just as likely to be idiots as anyone else. Also use a spellchecker please. As far as I can see the only statement you have made is that a MOVIE ACTOR admitted something - big deal! Scream!! (talk) 16:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Prince is another example of this. He thinks Chemtrails are real. I've even seen his fans denounce him for it. Anyways, Relevant--サトセレ (talk) 16:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * But Movie Actors are IN the Illum9inati! Do you really think Katt and prince would have the delusion of being IN the Illuminati?--141.0.9.61 (talk) 16:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't for your entertainment value, I'd block you. Just bugger off, why don't you. Scream!! (talk) 16:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No, if you do that, he'll cry to his friends about us being paid by (Boogeyman here)! (By the way I'm still waiting for my check in the mail)

Ona more serious note here's a brief, incomplete list (That I know he won't take seriously) of famous movie actors, historians, and scientists who believed in idiotic and delusional things, sometimes against their own field! (A historian who is a holocaust denier! that makes it true!):

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Inverse_stopped_clock --サトセレ (talk) 16:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see movie actors listed in there! Movie Actors are PART of the Illuminati! Katt Williams exposing them is a BIG deal! Why are you guys so delusional!?--141.0.9.61 (talk) 16:42, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It's happened before. Ted Gunderson, in the FBI for 27 years. Supporter of Chemtrails. It's possible to believe the Illuminati exists, while still being a movie actor (Who are apparently apart of the Illumianti). It's called a delusion. Basically Katt suffers from the Delusion he's in/working for the Illuminati. These delusions happen. I went through them. I know. Of course, this is all assuming he isn't JOKING.--サトセレ (

talk) 17:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * But you don't understand! Katt is currently IN the Movie Industry! Since the Movie actor are IN the Illuminati, and he's ADMITTING it, it's not a delusion!--141.0.9.61 (talk) 17:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, just shut the fuck up, you annoying prat. You aren't being even vaguely funny or clever anymore.  PsyGremlin undefined 18:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It's pretty obvious now that you guys are government paid shills! No one in his right mind would ignore what the BoN said. Actors don't just joke about admitting the Illuminati exists! Prince admits it, and now Katt Williams! You guys are obviously govt. paid shills, or sheeple. The anonymous user gave you quotes on THIS SAME PAGE to prove it since you were too lazy to watch the video he provided, and you refused to! Do you realize that Katt Williams is IN the Illuminati and he ADMITTED it? If you ARE a govt. paid shill, then you WILL be VERY surprised when it turns out Katt Williams WASN"T joking, and you will be brushed aside, and you realize that you were just a puippet all along.--ReptoidKiller (talk) 09:36, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=104314 --サトセレ (talk) 10:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And that just goes to prove that you're an illuminati shill. See, they're everywhere, everywhere. They're controlling us with their radio waves transmitted from chemtrails from 9/11 birth certificates.... Doxys Midnight Runner (talk) 15:48, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought about it myself and I think it's probably him joking. [[Poe's Law|And the BoN falling for it]. First of all, he overtly exposed them, and he's still not dead. Meanwhile, Robin Williams and Michael Jackson are both dead for subtlety exposing them.--サトセレ 15:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's try a neutral point of view and say "Katt Williams might be in the Illuminati and if he is it means the Illuminati is real."


 * 1) Katt Williams believing does not mean anything in itself. It simply means he has had contact with another person who believes in the Illuminati. The idea that everyone in entertainment is not a fact but an assumption, an assumption passed on by contact with people who believe in the Illuminati.


 * 2) Katt Williams' claims about the Illuminati become VALID if he provides new and specific information regarding the Illuminati. "We are against the Illuminati in our own detriment" is not specific. If Katt was at a secret Illuminati base, give a location. If he knows who works as an Illuminati assassin, name names. There are nearly a thousand books on amazon.com that address the Illuminati. If the information Katt Williams could give us as an "actual Illuminati member" is no different from the information that anyone could give after reading your average Illuminati book and regurgitating a few key phrases, how is what Katt says ANY different from just some guy who read a book? The power of a actual whistleblower lies in providing evidence and bringing new facts to light. This is different from spreading rumors, passing on hearsay and making speculations.


 * We at Rational Wiki are not chumps. We've seen this kind of thing before. People will fabricate past histories of belonging to a sinister conspiracy for book deals and attention. Mike Warnke claimed to be a Satanic priest who worked for the Illuminati before actual records of his past surfaced which did not match up with his described past at all. We must consider the value and verifiability of Katt's statements. I DID watch the video you provided, hoping Katt Williams would wow me with something. What I heard is a vague sense of persecution and blame and a denial that Katt Williams is part of the Illuminati system stemming from an interview about a black man wearing women's clothing on Saturday Night Live (where, off the top of my head Horatio Sanz, David Spade, Will Ferrel and Chris Farley have had recurring female character roles.)--Zipperback (talk) 20:01, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And that is the source of most Youtube videos yelling "(Insert celebrity here) ADMITS ILLUMINATI MEMBERSHIP/SOLD HIS/HER SOUL!" If the celebrity in question doesn't provide PROOF other an assertion, then it's better to assume it's for popularity reasons. Yes, celebrities are getting edgier with their content. It's called business Conspiracy theorists are accusing them of all sorts of things, and they're milking every cent they can out of it. And it's working. I still remember in 2013 when these same people threw a fit over Ke$ha's "Die Young" video. It wouldn't have gotten nearly as many hits if it weren't for these guys!--サトセレ (talk) 10:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)