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Not a neocon. TheoryOfPractice 21:33, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Odd, it says in his article that he is. --" 21:35, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wow, whaddaya know. A wiki that isn't even a proper encyclopedia has something in it that is of questionable accuracy. Who would've thunk it. Besides that, which article are you talking about? This one has no neo-anything in it. As far as I can recall, Andy has written several little blurbs criticising neo-con positions. The big thing that makes neo-cons neo-cons is the "neo." A lot of neo-cons describe themselves as former liberals who were bitten in the ass by reality and thus moved their politics to the right. Andy is most definitely not of that ilk. TheoryOfPractice 21:45, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * This wiki, you oaf. I heard it somewhere on this wiki. --" 21:48, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Look moron--here is the Andy-approved definition of neoconservative:

"A neoconservative (colloquially, neocon) is a former liberal who calls himself a conservative, or a former conservative who caters to political views of the media. Neoconservatives favor globalism, a bigger government, and so-called "free trade"; neocons downplay religious values and often disagree with conservatives on key social issues like abortion and homosexuality. Neoconservatives oppose appointing Supreme Court Justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. Neoconservatives place their highest domestic priority on opposing affirmative action while silently opposing social conservatives on moral issues. On foreign policy, neoconservatives believe that democracy can and should be installed by the United States around the world, even in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Neocons tend to be atheistic while conservatives tend to be religious."


 * Tell me again how you think Andy would fit himself into that. And read our article--I've provided a link above. Show me where it says he's a neo-con. TheoryOfPractice 21:50, 6 February 2009 (EST)


 * Listen to me metalbrain- he is a neocon:

Most neoconservatives are members of the Republican Party. They have been in electoral alignment with other conservatives and served in the same presidential administrations. While they have often ignored ideological differences in alliance against those to their left, neoconservatives differ from paleoconservatives. In particular, they disagree with nativism, protectionism, and non-interventionism in foreign policy, ideologies that are rooted in American history, but which have fallen out of the mainstream U.S. politics after the World War II. Compared with traditional conservatism and libertarianism, which may be non-interventionist, neoconservatism emphasizes defense capability, challenging regimes hostile to the values and interests of the United States[citation needed]. Neoconservatives also believe in democratic peace theory, the proposition that democracies never or almost never go to war with one another.

Neoconservatives are opposed to realist (and especially neorealist) theories and policies of international relations[citation needed], often associated with Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger. Though Republican and anti-communist, Nixon and Kissinger made pragmatic accommodation with dictators and sought peace through negotiations, diplomacy, and arms control. They pursued détente with the Soviet Union, rather than rollback, and established relations with the Communist People's Republic of China. On the other hand, American neoconservatives are often held up as exemplars of idealism (often, paradoxically, called liberalism) in international relations, on account of their state-centered and ideological (as opposed to systematic and security-centered) interpretation of world politics. --Wikipedia

" 21:56, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Fuck wikipedia. Read stuff written by the people who define the movement--the thing that makes neo-cons neo-cons is the switch from holding left-leaning views to a more right-wing position. Andy ain't one. Most neo-cons may be Republicans, that doesn't make all Republicans neo-cons. Most of what defines Andy's political worldview--social conservatism, anti-homosexuality, pro-religion, etc. is nowhere to be seen in your definition--it's like you didn't even read it. TheoryOfPractice 22:01, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * The Bush Doctrine is an example of neoconservatism. And last time I checked, WP is more trustworthy than CP. --" 22:04, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * P.S. Check here. I don't trust Andy about anything. --" 22:06, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * The Bush Doctrine is not a real touchstone for Andy--he stands up for Bush's foreign policies more because he has to and because it's politically expedient than because they're close to his heart. What matters to Andy? No abortion. Prayer in schools. Christianity having a strong public presence (...and given the strong link between the neo-con movement and parts of the Jewish community, there's a big propblem here for your argument...)No gay marriage. NONE OF THESE are in that copy-paste you left here. Our article doesn't say he is. He doesn't claim to be, and has written many things that criticise the neo-cons (and guess what--what he thinks on the topic matters...). You're wrong on this one. as for the link to the definition--it's crap. there's no way you can meaningfully condense any political ideology into two sentences. TheoryOfPractice 22:11, 6 February 2009 (EST)