User talk:PolarBearInTheJungle/Archive14

Sysop
Again. Тy No 21:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I knew I could count on you. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 21:48, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree! Let's just throw out our policies and procedures and unilaterally bestow sysopship on your cronies! This place is a fucking dredge of hypocrisy and favoritism, and P-Foster, you're it's posterboy. Occasionaluse (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And we wouldn't have it any other way. GodothasArrived  ( super crazy fun time! ) 02:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

How to undo a page move
Move it back. Do not delete the page at the new location and recreate it with the content at the old. That creates a fork, and page history is lost, which also creates licensing issues (who contributed the page content?), besides being confusing as hell. I make mistakes, for sure, such as moving the pages back to DenialGate rather than Denialgate, just a slip. Fixed, including cleaning up the redirects. I know you think I'm a n00b, and in many ways I am. But I've also been a highly active WikiMedia sysop, and I seek consensus, even if I act boldly. I've restored the pages to the Stupid State you and David Gerard wanted, and we'll see what happens.

Yes, I also know you've been here since 2007. And that goes to show what? --Abd (talk) 22:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I really don't care. Thanks for your valuable contributions. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 22:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, you're welcome! And thank you for the demonstration of what it is to be someone like you. As to creating forks, watch out for that, unless, of course, you want a promotion, in which case, go for it. Next time I won't fix it. Clean up your own mess, or someone else will, and ... perhaps they will enjoy it. Why, PF, would you please come and poop on our floor again? Look, if I were you, with your history here, I'd want to be promoted too, I'm already starting to feel the attraction. Good luck. --Abd (talk) 22:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you say something? P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 22:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Who? Me?--Abd (talk) 23:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Must just be the wind. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 23:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In an empty space. --Abd (talk) 23:35, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Caveat
 * Caveat

So
How was Jamaica? Тy sic semper 02:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hot. Kingston is a brutally poor and tough city. Survived what I call "neoliberal adventures in 'public' transportation." Got good work done at the archives. Heard some great music. Ate many jerked chickens. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:07, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Jerk sauce is very good indeed. So what are "Neoliberal adventures in 'public; transportation"?  Тy Ahoy! 02:08, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * They are what happens when public services like regular reliable buses and roads with a certain degree of structural integrity are deemed--typically because of IMF/World Bank conditionality-- to be something that the government can no longer afford to support, so one must get around a horribly potholed city in taxis/taxivans driven by young men who need to squeeze as many passengers and runs into a long day's work as they can in order to eke out a living. This means that they must drive as fast as possible and weave in and out of traffic to avoid as much as possible getting stuck at a time-wasting red light or behind traffic moving too slowly to make the venture profitable. But on the other hand, the fares they are allowed to charge are set by the state, so there's no means or incentive to either get better/more comfortable vehicles, which would be stupid to do because the roads are so shit that your car is gonna fall apart anyway. You wanna get rich? Move to Kingston and sell tires. How often do you see somebody changing a tire by the side of the road in the town where you live? NEVER. Average number of timesa day I saw that in Kingston: 3. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:17, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

fuck off?
I didn't particularly appreciate your comments. Rapier (talk) 02:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't care. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me reiterate. I asked you to explain, I wasn't even impolite about it, and you told me to fuck off. Rapier (talk) 02:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Usually I would expect something stronger than a request to accompany the phrase 'fuck off'. An American Fallacy  ( super crazy fun time! ) 02:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, what? Rapier (talk) 02:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You put "fuck off?", as if you're politely requesting him to. GodothasArrived  ( super crazy fun time! ) 02:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. Linked to the original comment.Rapier (talk) 02:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it now. Carry on. GodothasArrived  ( super crazy fun time! ) 02:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I still don't care. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Did you really have to?
. Now I'll have to find another excuse to avoid RationalWiki. Thanks, anyway. I'm going to go read up on "concern troll." Sounds interesting. --Abd (talk) 14:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. We've decided that we hate you so much that we're giving you the heavy burden of sysop again. You are now a slave beholden to the arcane powers of the Wiki! Kneel before your master! Reckless Noise Symphony 14:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Gods are So Unfair! Can I appeal this? Ah! Very simple, perhaps, the slave will escape by editing the comment of the User Formerly Known as Reckless Noise Symphony, aka whatever he's put in that template at the moment. --Abd (talk) 14:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Yugoslavia
Thank you for your support in the Yugoslavia article. Unfortunately on this wiki virtually all articles relating to the Balkans are dominated by Serb Nationalists and apologists. Thannad (talk) 03:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Save it for somebody who gives a shit. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 03:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Alright, there was no need to be a nasty prick about it, but thank you anyway.Thannad (talk) 04:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, Thannad, he does have a need to be a nasty prick. Between his failing marriage and stagnant research, he has nothing left to do except play bully boy to those of us not "lucky" enough to be in his little cabal. We're on his turf here, if only because he's around enough to cut the grass, which is ironic because he's the snake in said grass. Exposing his lies because he can. An exhibitionist of lies and deceit. He does this because he doesn't think you, or I, or anybody else can do anything about it. I've seen him run off enough good faith editors to recognize his as the poison he his to this place. He's toxic, Thannad, and if you continue to try and "handle" him, you will meet your end on this wiki. Be warned about Mr. Foster. Be warned about the sad state of affairs on this wiki. Occasionaluse (talk) 14:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely nothing wrong with Rationalwiki, and statements about any running off of editors and cabals are greatly exaggerated .-- il' Dictator   Mikal  15:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Then would you care to explain why I've had to retire three times??? Occasionaluse (talk) 17:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Short attention span? Commitment issues? P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 17:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Right. It wasn't because you ceaselessly intruded and interfered with my private life. And if you think I'm still afraid of you and your antics, you're wrong. Occasionaluse (talk) 17:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Still"? GodothasArrived  ( super crazy fun time! ) 17:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, that reminds me--is your brother diabetic or something? I just went down to the basement to make sure the ropes weren't too tight: his eyes were all glassy and he was mumbling something that kind of sounded like "insulin." P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 18:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't know you were a hardcore medical fetishist, P. Is that where the whole "Foster the Cruel" thing comes in? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 18:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Was it "Dominican"? That's his safe word. Occasionaluse (talk) 18:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

It's always nice to be reminded that the Balkans don't have a monopoly on dumb, vicious conflicts. :) --ZooGuard (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion
Look at the context before editing.
 * he is now known to the world as the avatar of American racism perhaps being consigned to the "ash-bin of history."
 * Reference: I do not have the slightest doubt that the racist right will do its best to try to wear him out by hindering his program and leaving him out of play, one way or the other, at the lowest possible political cost.I wish I were wrong! - Comrade Fidel.

And here's a FACT: you unilaterally changed what has been the Consensus version of this website for four years after a solid, reputable, and verifiable reference was introduced to support an uncited claim. Do you seriously want to have a head-to-head confrontation over content policies and hounding editors? nobsI'm not a doctor but I play one with the girls 01:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Do you seriously want to have a head-to-head confrontation over content policies and hounding editors?" Bring it on, bitch.
 * "You changed what has been the Consensus version of this website." "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here."
 * Learn to read, idiot. Fidel is arguing that the "racist right" will take action against Obama. If American racism was cast to the dust-bin with his election, there would be no racist right to do that. Idiot. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 01:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dude, I just cracked a beer, pet the dog, put a way a few things, and came back into the office, and the whole time I could only think of one thing, and I'm really stumped here. Are you really as stupid as you come off here? I mean, taking a pretty simple text like that and reading it as though it says the complete opposite of what it says is, like, a brain-damage level of wrong. You're just having a laugh, right? Gotta be. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it that you're dyslexic? Is English not your first language? No, seriously. How can one guy be so wrong so often? P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll concede the original text has some (much) clever ambiguity to it, but my reading is closer to the intended context than your convoluted, de-personalization of the word "Avatar". nobsI'm not a doctor but I play one with the girls 03:15, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The text is perfectly clear to anyone with basic literacy. You lack that skill, so I see how that might be a problem for you. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 03:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Creation museum trip
Thanksgiving, perhaps? Тy sic semper 01:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking something like that. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 01:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Тy Complaints 01:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

24.189.254.24
While some of his edits go beyond the pale, I'd like to know what was the matter with this one? As you can see I've added an edit of my own purporting to be Mr124 a reasonable post to make sure it stays, since we're more concerned with what is said than with whom says it. C ® ackeЯ 18:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a stupid argument with no basis in anything but wild speculation and the guy's a troll and I was sick of his shit and I'd do it again. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 19:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Fanboy cruft.
I'm not sure about this crusade against "cruft". Unless you think every article needs to be overwhelmingly critical and negative or completely dry. moral 17:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Above comment is fanboy cruft. Marked for deletion. /Aspie fascist Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 18:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * We take a critical stance towards things. Fawning all over somebody's preferred mother's-basement-dwelling, cheetos-eating virgin vlogger makes it hard to maintain that critical stance when they need to be criticized. If you really think we need to say that much about the guy, put it back, I won't fight you on it, I just think it takes away the edge. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 20:29, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem to have some kind of psychological hate problem with nerds/fanboys/whoever. Might be 	subconscious self-reflection or just being an asshole. -- DasRationalpersone Socks cat 1.JPG (Annoy me!) 14:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey
You want me to add polls still? Тy Ahoy! 02:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Jesus, that's a lot of work, kid. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's less than the linking was actually. Тy rannosaurs 02:18, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't let me stop you. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 02:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

So, about that nickel :D Тy rannosaurs 12:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

You have too much trolling on your talk page...
Here, haz some jazz. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:23, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice. Having the greatest trumpet player (at least, tied with Clifford Brown) and tenor player (Yes, I said it: Wayne > Trane) in the history of jazz as your frontline makes for a good band. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 12:19, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

not enough trolling on this talkpage
but im lazy so this is more spam-- il' Dictator   Mikal  12:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Votes
We we gutted funspace, we used the collapse template. Don't really care on this though. Тy Yarrr 23:20, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And moved deleted ones to another page. Peter tanquam ex ungue leonem 23:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fuck. Do you think this will cause any sort of grief? I just wanted to make the list progressively smaller. --P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 23:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, not really. And I feel you on that -_- Тy Serious Business Guy 23:24, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually think you have plenty of people with you on this. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot     What do cats dream about? 23:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Intercom Message
Have a look here:

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Moderators: Send messages to the default intercom group (intercom-sendurgent)

You can write all day long to the intercom, no one will listen.

18:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose if I were a moderator, that would somehow be relevant. But I am not, so it isn't. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 18:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * (EC) Some of us change our default settings. Тy rant 18:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Autoconfirmed Users can send intercom messages anyways. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 18:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

didn't get the message
Not subscribed to general site news, oh grumpy one. Too bad for me. steriletalk 21:45, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not a big deal, in the grand scheme of things. P-Foster Talk " "Santorum is the cream rising to the top." " 21:52, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

email
yeah. Тy Talk 13:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Um? Did you get it? Тy sic semper 00:35, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Shit, yeah sorry--just checked now. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 00:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift is a country music singer, I agree with you that she's pretty. :-) She first became well known at the 2009 VMA awards during the infamous event when rapper Kanye West jumped on stage and interrupted her acceptance speech - here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsnv6uYD7LA - Here is Taylor Swift at the 54th Grammys. I liked this performance because she was the "anti-hollywood"... amidst the over the top performances of the others, she chose to emphasise her country roots, even wearing old clothes and such. Lastly, here is the dress I liked from last night's award show: Taylor Swift pretty gold & white dress Whew! Way more info than you ever wanted! lol. Refugee talk page 22:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Look what I found.
Remember this guy.... AceModerator 04:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can almost hear an Elton John song welling up. Can you hear the something something!? 04:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fuck, I was just looking at the Therian debate last night--prolly for the same reason you found this, some guy editing the Otherkin article. This is great. We should take out accounts there and keep in touch with him. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 13:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Obama
There were other African American presidents before Obama, see The Black Presidents of United States of America. Proxima Centauri (talk) 19:38, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Known African-American" makes it sound like racial identity is some immutable and real thing. The phrase you might want is "self-identified." P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 19:41, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Obama's genes, Abraham Lincoln's genes and Thomas Jefferson's genes were immutable but I changed the article to avoid yet another fight. Proxima Centauri (talk) 19:50, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow. Did you really just say that out loud? I mean, if you want to make an argument that there's a genetic basis to racial identity, and that "race" is something immutable as opposed to being a cultural construction, contingent on a whole slew of historical/social factors...man, I don't even know where to start with that. So, do you believe in the "one-drop rule" when it comes to determining what counts as race, or what? P-Foster  Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 20:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone who studied the subject knows there are genetic features determining skin colour, eye and hair colour, facial features, whether hair is straight or curly etc that correlate with how race is perceived. Many of these features are permanent barring cosmetic surgery.  How the person involved and others react to those features is cultural. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:07, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

IP editing.
Just logged in. do you still need this done? --Godot   On a perdu le contrôle 19:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. doitdoitdoitdoit. love you, baby. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 19:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Please. steriletalk 19:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what I'm doing, so for the very short term, i gave foster moderator rights... then he can talk me through it later, and i'll pull his rights. Sorry if that's not kosher. --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot    On a perdu le contrôle 19:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Dude, I have no idea how to do it either, and I think you gotta be a tech to pull this one off. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 19:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's tech too. steriletalk 19:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * yeah, mods can't do it. AceModerator 19:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's server-side switch, not a tech thing that can be operated here. Scarlet A.pngpathetic 19:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's possible to make the Abuse Filter to reject all edits coming from anonymous users. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter/RulesFormat --ZooGuard (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It does seem to say that you could prevent edits if user_age was set to 0, which implies an IP. Of course, now we need (a) someone who's a tech and (b) knows how to use it. steriletalk 20:39, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * IIRC mods can set the tech bit. 23:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reoping me
Even if you "hate" me. Although I don't think I hate anyone. 08:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't I tell you not to post on my talk page anymore? P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 12:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Removing the spaghetti from the walls
I missed some of the protective measures, I think you were around for them? Is the holydaze back in place yet? 02:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge, no, but Trent has sacrificed a virgin--they're easy to find around here--and it should be safe to replace it. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 03:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I mean since I didn't see how it was removed, I'd be flailing were I to try to replace it. And now that happy bunny eggs day is over, it's hard to tell for the amateur if they've fixed it right. And lol.  04:03, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How they removed it/fixed it is a mystery to me. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 04:10, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * why not ask who fixed it?-- il' Dictator   Mikal  04:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't it just teh template? If so, Trent put it back.  'Cepting the protection. steriletalk 04:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Canadian tax comics
Enjoy. Тy Please do not click on this 14:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Perennial Traditionalism
What do you think is wrong with the article. I see you removed a quote and a mention to a nationalist being impressed by Traditionalism which i found funny and ironic. I am not that much familiar with RationalWiki, so i will leave it mostly in your hands. B.voorne (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not intend to remove any quote, it may have gotten caught in an edit conflict--I'll check it out. Mostly, your writing is totally shit and it's impossible to figure out what you're trying to say. That's why I took that part out. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 21:34, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Blocks
Please check to see if someone can unblock themselves before blocking them for long periods of time. It might feel cathartic and fun, but it also just starts up some drama. Thanks!-- 13:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fuck him, he's a troll. The fact that we waste electrons on hateful idiots who are only here to stir up drama themselves in the first place is the reason why this community can be so dysfunctional. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 14:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * He was disagreeing. He was doing so in a non-disruptive way.  He was reasonable with his edits, and open to working with others.
 * I would urge caution before you start taking the power unto yourself to judge and unilaterally ban people from RationalWiki because you consider them a troll. I do not think that I am smart enough or objective enough to make that assessment about people with which I argue - you might want to think about whether or not you really think yourself able to do so.
 * Blithe and facile "fuck him he's a troll" is easy. Tolerating opposing views is hard.-- 23:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have full confidence that I am both smart and objective enough to spot hateful trolling. Some viewpoints are simply intolerable--bigotry directed at an entire community based on nothing more than pig-headed ignorance falls into that category. You might want to think about growing a fuckin' pair instead of putting up with what is clearly bullshit designed only to reproduce hatred. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 23:31, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I assure you, I don't lack for conviction. I very nearly brought this concern to the Chicken Coop, since it concerns me that you think you are wise enough to be the sole arbiter of whether or not another editor gets to speak.  The rules and community consensus are very clear: barring obvious vandalism or other flagrant abuse, no one person gets to be God of RationalWiki.  If you think someone is upsetting enough to ban, then there has to be a vote.-- 23:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have full confidence that I am both smart and objective enough to spot hateful trolling. If that is true, then you are not. 04:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

To my mind, "other flagrant abuse" includes clear hate speech. end of story. I've done it before, I'll prolly do it again. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 23:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That is not flagrant abuse in the sense I meant.. Flagrant abuse is purely destructive changes to the wiki designed only to damage it in the short term, such as blocking large numbers of people, posting enormous images designed to make a page unreadable, posting people's personal information, or the like.  In such a circumstance, where there can be no serious defense of the action or question as to its appropriateness, and where it is causing immediate problems, we can go ahead and block people.
 * That is why our community standards explicitly say, "Blocking should only be used on spambots and vandals." They do not say, "Blocking should only be used on spambots and vandals and on people P-Foster decides just don't belong."
 * Please do not do it again. I know it can be frustrating dealing with some people and decisive action might seem best, cutting through all that bullshit and the annoyance of rules.  But it just doesn't work very well to let individuals decide what is an acceptable opinion.-- 00:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

International conspiracies
I know RatWikians like laughing at webshite like Metapedia but it's not worth an edit war. Proxima Centauri (talk) 15:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's totally worth an edit war to me. what Metapedia thinks about anything is totally unremarkable. We could add a "what Metapedia thinks" to our articles on just about every politician in the world, since they seem to think the Jews run the whole damn planet, but why the hell should we? They're a totally fringe website of zero importance, there are legit criticisms of Romney that are actually worth dealing with. P-Foster  Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 15:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with Pops Foster. Тy rannosaurs 15:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How about a section about Jewish conspiracies in the Metapedia article? Proxima Centauri (talk) 15:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's different, 'cause that's an article ABOUT METAPEDIA, and what they say is relevant to an article about the damn website. What they say is irrelevant in virtually any other circumstance. It's really pretty simple. It's the same reason why we're not gonna talk about what CP says about Romney in the Romney article, but we will talk about it in CP-space. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 15:52, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Confused
Why are you moving nonexistent forum pages and talking to yourself 0_o Тy Please do not click on this 18:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Because Rob. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 18:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have the filter on Tyfacepalm.jpg. Want it? Тy Ahoy! 18:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

jesus christ
why do you have so many pages-- il' Dictator   Mikal  02:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been here since before you had hair on your balls. They pile up. P-Foster Talk "The existing superstructure has handed out crumbs. We don’t want crumbs; we want the whole loaf now.” --Ras Frank I 02:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

15k and change
That's how many edits you had. Thanks to an issue in rename user you now have 3. Тy Complaints 02:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wasn't keeping score or anything. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 02:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well you are now no longer eligible to vote in coop cases, or run for board if we want to play rules lawyer XTREME edition. 72 edits to make. Chop chop. Тy Serious Business Guy 02:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll just go and edit Brx's talk page 71 times. His e-mail box ain't full enough. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 02:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * By all means. Тy rannosaurs 02:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Really? According to popups, you've still got 15k edits. There must be a bug in the edit counter extension. 19:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Popups displays it correctly, but Special:Contributions, Special:Editcount, and Page histories do not. Тy eh? 19:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Server lag? Sophie  because liberals  19:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, Stabby lost all his, and there are now accounts called Tyrannis for now that has ~3000 edits, P-Foster with 15000 or so, and Radioactive Afikomen with 17000. Тy Talk 19:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Well a proof of concept fix on ToP. Tmtoulouse (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Cheer up, P.
This is me distracting you from all the drama. 13:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

These should be checked
Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:22, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Google search, Mitt Romney+swing voters
 * 2) Google search, Barack Obama+swing voters
 * Checked for what, exactly? All 2 million + hits on each one? Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 18:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

talk talk talk
Anytime 4-8 okay? Тy eh? 19:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * After 9 better, or tomorrow. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 20:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. Тy Yarrr 20:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Tomorrow will work better. Тy Yarrr 02:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Do not call this house before 12 noon EDT on a Sunday or I'll have your fucking balls. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 04:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not. I called at 1, 2, and 3. Тy Ahoy! 20:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Call now. Just got in. Also, that's stalk-eriffic. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 20:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Theory of practice
Do I detect a Bourdieu reference? Also, stop changing your name, dammit, it's confusing for those of us with limited mental capacity! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 01:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Bourdieu and Gramsci. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 01:08, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

US religion blogs
I found these on the Googlenets and thought you might be interested in them: Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * http://usreligion.blogspot.com/
 * http://michaeljaltman.net/
 * http://newtknight.blogspot.com/ (Not on religion specifically, but the author writes a lot on its connection with neo-Confederate politics)
 * Thanks! Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 03:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not confined to US religion, but Genealogy of Religion has great coverage of the cognitive science and anthropology of religion, not that I'm biased by the fact that the author seems to largely agree with my own position. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 05:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Shut up ta gueule
En parlent de "ta gueule", est-ce que tu as vu le film "foon" (2005ish)? Tout en franglais. On n'peut plus le trouver a piratebay, mais peut-etre ailleurs. And that's it for my french, tonite. :-)--Godot  04:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll pout it sur la liste de movies a voir. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 13:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Request
You've said before that you have access to this sort of thing and were willing to share. Could I please ask you to provide me with this? Alternatively, if you don't wish to procure it for me you could read it and add it to the osteopathy article yourself. Thank you.-- 02:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * My university doesn't have it/have access to the journal, but I ordered a copy through inter-library loans. Should be in my inbox in a few days. Send me an e-mail so I can attach it in a reply when it shows up. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 03:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Blue Grass
The band who's name I was trying to remember, but couldn't - the one I learned to love Bluegrass from, is a band called Hot Rize, and their County Swing alter egos, "Red knuckles adn the trailblazers". They were pretty fricking amazing, and a great way to learn to love Blue grass. I like a more modern (new grass) style most of the time, but it's all good! --Godot  06:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Dan Carlin
You still want these?


 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2018%20-%20A%20Fly%20on%20James%20Burkes%20Wall.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2019%20-%20Apache%20Tears.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2020%20-%20%28BLITZ%29%20History%20Under%20The%20Influence.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2021%20-%20Punic%20Nightmares%20I.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2025%20-%20The%20Dyer%20Outlook.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2026%20-%20%28BLITZ%29%20Addicted%20to%20Bondage.mp34
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2027%20-%20Ghosts%20of%20the%20Ostfront%20I.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2028%20-%20Ghosts%20of%20the%20Ostfront%20II.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2029%20-%20Ghosts%20of%20the%20Ostfront%20III.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2030%20-%20Ghosts%20of%20the%20Ostfront%20IV.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2031%20-%20%28BLITZ%29%20Suffer%20the%20Children.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2032%20-%20Globalization%20Unto%20Death.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2033%20-%20%28BLITZ%29%20Old%20School%20Toughness.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2034%20-%20Death%20Throes%20of%20the%20Republic.mp3
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30556057/Show%2035%20-%20Death%20Throes%20of%20the%20Republic.mp3

Let me know when I can delete them. 15:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm taking them down because I need the space. Thanks for your interest. 19:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Shit, sorry, man. I was ignoring my bright orange messages banner the last couple of days. Thanks for thinking of me, though. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 23:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I might still have a few of those. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 23:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Afro-futurism
This should be up your alley, if you want to expand on what I started with. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 08:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Moderator nomination
You got it. 17:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

TheoryOfGoats
sterileno new information 05:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

As Promised.....
Yah, I know...the camera sucks...its nearly 12:00am......light is wrong and, well, fuck it. The photos do not do the ~thousand I spent to get the fucker on the wall justice...


 * Nice. Jealous. Theory of Practice Peer-reviewed articles for everybody! 13:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Those cunts apparently get peonies all year. My neighbors didn't water mine while I was out west catching trout, getting laid, and visiting sterile (none at the same time, unfortunately). [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 04:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Everything all right in your end of the world? Тy talk 02:20, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Busy.Theory of Practice Peer-reviewed articles for everybody! 02:59, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cripes. Hope everything gets better. Тy talk 02:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

WIGO:World; Conservapedia->Fox News->(neither)
The reason I put Conservapedia there was because they'll publish anything if it puts a bug up Andy's ass, no matter how divorced from reality it is. Fox News, while far more popular, has financial considerations Schlafly's effectively-unmonetized site doesn't. It was more to evoke the focus on nutjob conspiracy theory bloggers and sites instead of something even pretending to look like real journalism (that would be Fox News). I just removed referencing a second one altogether instead. Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 12:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's cool. My point was that there are only 8 people in the country that read CP. Theory of Practice Years of being an atheist: 30. Instances of persecution on that account: 0. 13:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Or at least there are only 8 people in the country that take CP seriously. I guess the snark deserves to be spread around to other deserving targets now and again, heh. Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 22:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Easy big fella
Yah, he sucks. But easy, easy. If you do anyway with him for that comment we could get rid of Brx for similar comments...so not all bad I am thinking...Hmmmm. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 01:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn. you've figured out my plan. Theory of Practice Years of being an atheist: 30. Instances of persecution on that account: 0. 01:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're still tops in my book. I'll be out your way for a meeting soon. Holla. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 04:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Depends when--out of town til mid-August or so. Theory of Practice Years of being an atheist: 30. Instances of persecution on that account: 0. 13:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If such a meeting takes place we should organise a skype session so I can attend. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 02:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Do they have Skype in the Third World now? Is it steam-powered, or does it use one of those donkey-on-a-wheel thingies? Theory of Practice Years of being an atheist: 30. Instances of persecution on that account: 0. 02:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I use a crank. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 02:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Clean up
Thanks for cleaning up spelling and structure on my articles I am a poor speller and poor at sentence structure so if you can fix that if I have gone wrong or it does not make sense. I only joined rationalwiki for a short time to put some of the creationist cranks on here... I only have a few articles left & am nearly done! DinoCrisis (talk) 01:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I can be a bit harsh, that's how I roll. Honestly, syntax aside, you're providing good content, stuff that's on-point and needed. I hope you stick around after your current project. There's always more nutjobs out there that need debunking. Theory of Practice Years of being an atheist: 30. Instances of persecution on that account: 0. 01:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Offense
I know we disagree on a number of points about how the site should work, but that doesn't mean that we should be at odds. I think your recent revision of the Community Standards revision was spot on, though I think it's a little premature to say that we have "formalised" rules. Also, for all that I get made fun of with the "we should vote on a panel to decide when to vote on the parameters of the electoral vote" stuff, I recognize the power of uncodified consensus, having been at RW for - what is it - over four years now? jegus. 03:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's all good. You want to offend me? Be like Brx and engage in his brand of hipster racism. Be like Rob and troll the site with stupidity. Disagreeing on a bunch of administrative stuff? Not worth taking offense over. I've said it before, and I'll say it again--there are folks here who aren't fans of yours. I don't get that. You're okay by me. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 03:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you took one of my stupid trolling ideas and codified it into RationalWiki law. My only regret is how it had to be done, but that usually is because of having to deal with thickheaded numbskulls like yourself. nobsCorporations are people, too 16:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Rob, you're wrong again. Unsurprisingly really, with you been both woefully undereducated and fundamentally stupid. While you "trollingly" argued that we should "end the mobocracy and impose rules..." I have been arguing that we should DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE. So I haven't taken one of your ideas at all. When I made this edit. I was acknowledging what has happened not arguing for a particular position. Dummy. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 18:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. Actually I never stated the codification was a position you advocated or support, only that my initial proposal has now become law. Your actions show a limited amount of balanced thinking and an ability to tolerate a community consensus at odds with your own agenda. Speaking for the majority, we appreciate your help in cleaning up the Community Standards page. nobsCorporations are people, too 18:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Illiterate
How do glean that the shooter "liked" Peyton Manning from this link? Maybe he was pissed off the Broncos traded Tebow for Manning. Why don't you stick to rugby and things you know about, and shut the fuck up about US domestic affairs, which you sure as fuck know nothing about. nobsCorporations are people, too 22:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Rob kinda reminds me of those little yappy Scottie dogs. --Kels (talk) 22:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to have confused you, dummy. What that was is something called a "joke. You see, the conversation was happening on a page about CP, where there has been a longstanding conversation about the merits of the two quarterbacks in question. When I saw the names of one of those quarterbacks in a news report about the shooter, I thought it might be funny to reference that conversation. I'm really, really sorry that that was too complicated for you to understand. I will try to keep your lack of education and low natural intelligence in mind when making postings in the future, dummy. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 23:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe he was a Christian who was pissed off Tim Tebow was traded. Or maybe you don't understand Tony Dungy made Peyton Manning who he is today. Or maybe you don't understand jackshit about American society and culture, the most likely explanation. nobsCorporations are people, too 23:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Jesus Christ, Smith, you are a stupid man. Did you not read the post directly above, where I said I was JOKING? That means that there is no relationship between what I wrote and any notion of the truth or any opinions I might hold. BECAUSE I WAS JOKING. Fuck, you ARE a big dummy. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 03:18, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Phyllis
I understand what you're saying, however it was directed solely towards the Schlafly clan. Perhaps I went overboard, but Andy's reaction to this whole thing has pissed me off to no end and there's no way his mother doesn't bare most of the responsibility. Sorry if you were offended, but fuck him and fuck her too. Hiphopopotamus (talk) 01:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And what about that crack re: his wife? Get this: 1. The website is wholly owned and operated by a not-for-profit organization. 2. The internet is a big place, and we have pissed off a number of people who live there. 3. One of those people reporting that we are using our tax-exempt not-for-profit status to host your stroke fantasies about the wife of a guy whos's a marginal public figure runs the risk of creating hassles for said foundation, which is run by people that I consider friends. So grow up or take a hike. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 01:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right. That was too far. I was too fired-up and I crossed the line. Hiphopopotamus (talk) 01:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What I don't get is why this particular screed is so spectacularly offensive as to warrant memory-holing because of the RWF's 501(c)(3) status. This is a site that proudly hosts a wide selection of pornographic images for no discernible purpose; surely that's of some concern? I'm definitely not defending the rant, but I'm curious as to why your explanation of your actions is couched in potential hassles for our nonprofit status. 03:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (EC)I can't answer your question as to why what I said was couched over something else on this site, I can surmise that it was more offensive. Having been called out on it, and having a minute to think about it, I can agree with it. What I said had no benefit to this site that I am so fond of, and was probably detrimental. So I will contain my comments to, "Fuck Andy" and, "Fuck Andy hard". Hiphopopotamus (talk)

Partly I pulled it out of my ass, to be honest--but I read the minutes of the last meeting today, and so the larger corporate stakes of the whole RWF thing was on my mind. I mean, Andy might not be a great guy, but he is a lawyer of at least some competence--I imagine a letter by him written to the right folks could create some headaches--and if someone wrote that about my wife on a website owned by a charity, I know I'd be tempted to do something to mess with their shit. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 03:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I think we might want to consider putting information about RW's charitable nonprofit status in our various "about us" sections, including the welcome template and the "conduct" section of RW:CS. 03:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Started a discussion at the bar. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 03:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Email
^ Тy passive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 00:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever. Why don't you go bug Blue again or something. Twerp. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 00:09, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Rob
To try to resolve this shit over Rob, I've opened a vote on the Chicken Coop and I wanted to make sure you were aware. Ochotonaprinceps<sup style="color:#0066DD; font-size: 0.7em; font-style: oblique">not a pokémon <font face="Courier" color="#800080" size="1">1013 points 10:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: My libel of Tosser
Yeah... I guess your right bout keeping explicit speculation as to the "liklihood of going full psycho gunman" of certain psychos to a minimum. My bad. You want me to redact said speculation? Judge HoldenThe Judge Smiles 15:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You do what you think is right. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 15:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Aaaaaaaand Edited. All speculation removed. Just amused contempt thar now. Judge HoldenThe Judge Smiles 15:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Cooping
I mothballed the whole sad affair. You're off the hook. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 05:05, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was shaking in my boots. Thanks, friend. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 05:26, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, by the way.
... for your unblock yesterday. It's the thought that counts. Some here seem to be decidedly ... unfriendly, and use the block tool to harass. Not that it actually does any harm to be temporarily promoted, if it interrupts an edit, so what? If that bothers me, it demonstrates I'm getting way too attached. --Abd (talk) 18:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again!


I don't understand. Why would someone coop you for undoing what you yourself did? The only way that could make sense would be if your original action were truly obligatory, but it looks to me like it was your free choice.

In any case, this has no practical effect for me, as far as I know, beyond relieving me of some level of responsibility for RationalWiki. Not fully, of course, it doesn't go far enough.

Generally, with my actions and approaches, I explore the real behavior of wikis, I've been doing that for many years. Wikis have potential, mostly unrealized, for some rather obvious reasons.

For your own benefit, you might look at what's truly behind the latest decision you made. It's pretty obvious to me, but that does you no good. Anyway, good luck. --Abd (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)