Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive64

DamianJohn
Alright, who was it! I think I know however, and it wasnt Ames. Ace McWickedInteresting 21:40, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ames just can't get a break! --Arcan  ¡ollǝɥ  21:42, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Ames gets a break when Ames earns a break. Ace McWickedInteresting 21:43, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Why so sure he isn't. Maybe he just reads here. After Jinx was advertising it all the past two days I wouldn't be surprised. -- 21:44, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

I know things.......evil, godless things. Ace McWickedInteresting 21:45, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Then shouldn't you know who he was? -- 21:47, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

I do know and it wasnt Ames (with %99 confidence). However my first comment read as a question and should be read as a statement. Sorry 'bout that. Ace McWickedInteresting 21:50, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, I know for a fact it wasn't Ames. But neither are any of my socks Henry calls Ames. And no, I'm not DamianJohn. -- 21:52, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, I'll give a shout-out to DamianJohn, my Oceanian friend.... Ace McWickedInteresting 21:54, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * What? -- 21:57, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

DamianJohn is from NZ. Nevermind. Ace McWickedInteresting 22:01, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Does Ames have a job/life/girlfriend? How does he find the time to devote so much energy to disrupting a project. הרב ד.לערנער Ask the Rabbi a question 22:12, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * He's really not doing all that much. RA is the one who never leaves. -- 22:13, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Are you sure? RA isn't even interested in CP. 22:15, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The thing I don't get is why he was reblocked by Henry. I mean I understand Jinx doing it (being an idiot) but why on earth did Henry unblock him and then reblock him.  Besides the real issue here is why is Jinx still there.  He's so obviously an anti-semite its not funny.  Is Andy one also or is he just too dumb to know the difference?--Chris111 22:17, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I mean RW in general. If you wanted the biggest disruptor to the actual CP...well, we wouldn't know who he was if he/she was doing their job right would we? I hear stories about Icewedge but I haven't been able to actually find anything about it in specifics. I've also heard about....the you know what. But I have no access to it. Yet. And I suspect that Andy is somewhat anti-everything non him. And an idiot. He can't just say "Oops". Didn't do it with JJacob, Samwell, or anyone. -- 22:19, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Anyone would have done the same thing. I'm sorry I got blocked but its no drama. I wasn't really getting along at conservapedia anyway. I don't think Andy is a bad person, just a little weak, I was surprised he didn't unblock me actually.--DamianJohn 22:50, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Am I missing something? Did Jinx really block somebody for the ChristianityMeansFreedom thing because it had been brought here, despite the fact it had also been (originally) brought to CP? Well, I can't really question his detective skills, he found CP:WIGO after all. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 02:56, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Grollocks
Is it just me, or can anyone else open up our favourite website? 23:01, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Dandy for me. -- 23:02, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't get on. Everywhere else is OK - just them! 23:07, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Got on. Wish I hadn't. Jinxy's bragging about being called anti-semitic on his user page. 00:42, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Does anyone else see something a little "funny" about one of his userboxes? (screencapping now to preserve, ask me if you want it uploaded)  ħ uman  17:49, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ...I actually see two odd things, but the second one is just a silly joke. The first one... bwahaha... --Sid 17:56, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Andy's international knowledge
He's priceless - shows what his famous "scanning" of things is good for - extracting his viewpoint & to hell with the truth. 23:46, 26 July 2008 (EDT)(still can't raise CP)
 * He has admitted in the past that he doesn't know much about UK politics, and it wasn't so long ago that I had to explain to him that Gordon Brown was not a Tory.  And it's not like we're all able to be experts on foreign politics.   BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE - if you're going to post an item you read somewhere on the Front Page of your Trustworthy Encyclopedia, at least take the time to read the fucking article.   DogP  23:52, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Could someone copy tyhe link off their main page for me plz - I still can't log on there. 23:59, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Here: http://news.aol.com/story/_a/more-woes-for-british-pm-gordon-brown/n20080725211409990013  PFoster 00:05, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Specifically this:


 * A stunning defeat for the leftist Labour Party in a special election in Scotland, signalling an imminent conservative takeover of all of Britain


 * With leftist, Labour Party, Scotland, conservative, and britain hyperlinked.

-- 00:06, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks guys. Surprised he hasn't mentioned the Catholic angle - or has he? 00:09, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I see nothing about Catholocism from what he said. Some guy named MikeR wrote this (I was about to make link. Stupid me.)


 * As happy as I am about the result, I think there are some misconceptions in the front-page post here that as an Englishman I can correct. Labour were beaten by the Scottish National Party, not the Conservatives, who are sadly extremely unlikely to take over the Scottish or Welsh governments. Also, our next election isn't due until probably 2010, so a change in government isn't "imminent".


 * Also, it's worth pointing out that, unfortunately, the Conservative party in the UK are so far to the left that they are arguably closer to your Democrat party than to American Conservatives. Don't be taken in by the name...


 * Godspeed, Mike MikeR 22:55, 26 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I sense ban in future. Not tonight. Soon. -- 00:33, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I hope not, MikeR seems like a decent guy. The Lay Scientist 08:07, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Which is exactly why he won't last. Either he will be banhammered for annoying somebody with block rights (for example by pointing out their mistakes) or he will leave once he realizes that nobody in power on CP gives a damn about things like fairness or accuracy. --Sid 09:15, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Not only did he last, but his advice resulted in changes! 81.102.156.177 19:19, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

I found this edit particularly funny. I think a meeting between Andy and Boris would re-define hilarity.Antifly 19:53, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

1964 election
Not WIGO worthy, but come on Deborah, how is it that you can remove information on conservative politics (the only thing the site is supposed to know something about) without even bothering to check if you're right. The turning point in the South becoming Republican and you edit is out.--Damo2353 02:08, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Standards = double
Andy says that state schools don't need to have the Pledge of Allegiance but we all know how vital it is to have prayer in school. 02:48, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Andy shouldn't edit drunk. We (you and I) can, but we play on a different field (our friends forgive us).  I have no idea what he meant by that comment, it made no sense.  Classic Schlafly!  ħ uman  03:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't - Alcohol's banned. I think he meant that parents can take care of it & schools needn't bother (that's what it meant to me) but PRAYER must be different. 03:13, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ouch, the "breath of life" is denied to you in this time of trial?   SusanG gets four free passes for crankiness!!!! Wow, that sucks.  Doc said?  ħ uman  03:47, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Teh medication; it has red letters re: alcohol. I have 3 days off it everyy two weeks & doc says I can have drink (1 drink) on middle day. fun - NO.  03:53, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You have my deepest sympathies... I guess it was like when I had to take a month of antibiotics for Lyme disease... I interpreted "no alcohol" to mean "less alcohol".... oops. Anyway, I wish you the best and heal soon!  ħ uman  03:57, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree with Human here. No alcohol means less alcohol. Ace McWickedInteresting 05:09, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ooh, Lyme disease - that's a killer isn't it? Is from tick bites? 04:00, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Lyme disease is indeed from ticks, and it's the second most fun non-lethal (or at least non-lethal with access to first world medicine) illness you can possibly get after malaria. Better yet, you can actually get it in Britain too if you're supremely unlucky. Whenever you go hiking it isn't a bad idea to spray your socks with a couple of squirts of DEET. --81.187.254.242 05:48, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No alcohol = NO ALCOHOL unfortunately - Specialist oncologist & pharmacist most insistent. Also diet sheet 7 pages long & exercise instructions. Want to last long enuff to go back on booze so obeying to the letter.  06:03, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * FWIW, Andy's sentence made perfect sense, as long as you parse it correctly. Andy said, "We don't need state schools [in order] to recite the Pledge." I'm sure the OP and other commenters have parsed it incorrectly as "We don't require that state schools recite the Pledge." No WTF here, I'm afraid. Marty 07:56, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I thought it was pretty clear what Andy was saying as well, "we can recite the pledge without going to public school." The same obviously goes for prayer. This got me wondering, do most schools still have a formal recitation of the pledge? Seems terribly old fashioned to me. I don't think I've said it since elementary school, but that's partially because I refused to say it, and partially because I don't think it was really part of the routine most of my high school years. Did it make a comeback after 9/11? Was it ever gone most places? DickTurpis 08:54, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the clarification, Marty. I guess I just wasn't reading it with my Schlaflogic turned "on".  Strange how he failed to make it as clear as you did...  ħ uman  17:57, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Rationalwiki conference
Conservapedia has been known to occasionally hold a conference where they all pat each other on the back and listen to Andy's mom speak. Shouldn't we have one too, we can drink beer and vodak and have many lulz discussing how best to undermine the Eagle forum. How 'bout it Peoples? הרב ד.לערנער Ask the Rabbi a question 05:15, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * How far from Totnes would this be? I nominate the Barrel House - it's the cool place, and handy for the station. Totnesmartin 05:33, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Is that the one on the stupid one way system?
 * It's handy for the station if you walk. I didn't know you knew about the Totnes one-way system. Totnesmartin 18:58, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The requested URL /_D316nuA73uA/R9WBpxQ3jqI/AAAAAAAADO4/4QSkmUQVe68/DSC05905-1.JPG was not found on this server. 05:38, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Do they serve Kosher food? הרב ד.לערנער Ask the Rabbi a question 05:37, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * They used to, but PZ Myers desecrated it to teach religion a lesson. I changed your timestamp to the correct version, by the way. 05:41, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Or I did before I got edit conflicted by Susan Garlick. 05:41, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Much too far away. Mount Pleasant Hotel, [Just google: 53.34198,-1.470543] anyone? 05:39, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Where are these places? הרב ד.לערנער Ask the Rabbi a question 05:43, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The Mount Pleasant hotel is in Doncaster, while the Barrel House is in Totnes - both in Britain. Susan and I are doing teh brit-lulz. Totnesmartin 05:57, 27 July 2008 (EDT) :::"Doncaster!?!?"
 * That's what the all-seeing eye of the divine Google says. Totnesmartin 07:13, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * We obviously need three conferences. America, Britain, and a third one for every other place on the planet :) 06:01, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

I have security clearence for NZ Parliament so I think, along with any other RatWiki kiwis, I might hold a RationalWiki conference in the debating chamber. The seat of POWER! Ace McWickedInteresting 06:04, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I have access to some Shuls here in Australia, we can make it here הרב ד.לערנער Ask the Rabbi a question 06:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

I know this nice little cafe just off Strøget in Copenhagen... -- 06:14, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * This is ridiculous. Maybe we should meet somewhere and build a tower that reaches all the way to heaven? 06:17, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Hmmmmm now thats a good idea. Maybe we should build an ark? Ace McWickedInteresting 06:21, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't see how that would be necessary. The tower would keep us dry, you see. And we're all agreed that the building of the tower will proceed without interruption or hindrance, so your point is moot. 06:24, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * We should do it for the lulz. -- 06:27, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Makes me wonder, why have the fundies never actually tried to build an Ark using technology from the time and tried to fit animals in it in an attempt to prove it can be done? It would be major lulz to see them all come down with scurvy 2 weeks into the voyage. Ace McWickedInteresting 06:31, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * According to Professor Pilkington, the floods themselves helped Noah in his task, as they made the animals consider the situation rationally and work together for the common good. 06:35, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * work together for the common good - but that's (gasp!) Socialism! Totnesmartin 07:11, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course, from Andy's history lessons we know the tower of babel to be a ziggurat and hence we can deduce heaven to be something like a couple of hundred metres up in the sky. I suggest on the way to rationalwiki conference everyone should look carefully out of the windows of their planes for heaven. Also: I don't think the good professor can be thinking this through. Water doesn't make my cats act at all rationally, in fact threatening them with it puts you in serious danger of losing one or both eyes. --81.187.254.242 06:40, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Please do not cast aspersions on Professor Pilkington. 06:46, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Umm...why are we having a conference when it's obvious that we're all Ames? --Sock of vandal AmesG

Jinx has a buddy
Yup, someone saunters over, drapes a brotherly arm around his shoulder ... None other than Terry of "Multiculteral" fame. As they say... birds of a feather... --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:24, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * With friends like that ......... 07:40, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * An apple a day... 07:57, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * On less than wonderful aspect of all this is how it all plays to Jinx's ego. A raving attention whore like him must be reveling in not only winning against Fox but also in all the attention we're giving him. The more he annoys us at RW the better he feels and, just as we would be honoured to be the subject of Andy's scorn so he gets a buzz from being the object of ours. I fear we're feeding the troll. Silver Sloth 09:00, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * What trolls feed on is sour thoughts. If you feed them enough sour thoughts they dissolve from the inside out like a gobstopper in a heat wave. Such is the way of trolls. 09:09, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Translation: feeding him doesn't matter. As Fox said, he'll only use the rope to hang himself. 09:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Meh. At Conservapedia, your name can be IrmaParodist hailing from Parodist Island and wearing a t-shirt saying "I'm a parodist" and you won't get banned as long as you kiss Andy's arse. If you're legitimately crazy like Jinxy, then the sky's the limit. --81.187.254.242 15:45, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Speaking of attention deficit disorder, "Yet they can't resist talking about me behind my back like the cowards they are." Well, most of us are blocked on CP and have been for a long time.  And if those of us who can edit there were to critique Jismonmyshoe however mildly on CP, that would be the end of the "conversation".   ħ uman  18:02, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Schlafly cock-up co-op works well
I went in to ASchlafly talk to give a copy of TMT's cure for their slow running, pressed "save page" & then edit again to give some more. That total eedjit BOHfuckinDAN blocked me. You can't help some people. 14:25, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Only established parodists trusted editors are allowed to give advice. --Sid 14:50, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, one wonders how they manage to make themselves heard with their heads so far up Andy's Arse. 14:53, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I half except a new tag-team move: Bohdan removes your post and his BFF Jinxy re-posts it under his name, followed by Andy going all "Wow, awesome, Jinxy! You saved me! Here, let me make you a sysop!" --Sid 15:00, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No, he ought to ask super programmer & Wikipedia refugee Ed (Moony) Poor for some advice. 15:06, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

How long does it take to write a 250-word letter?
Really, how long does it take? An hour? A day if you want to proofread? What's taking them so long? Sterilesnore! 17:34, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I started writing philosophy papers a couple of years ago. 250 words takes me about a week.  (Shameless plug: )--Toffeeman 17:44, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok, fine, true... Also, I find it amusing Andy's submitting his letter through the feedback system... He doesn't get that he has to submit it to the journal through the regular submission. Sterilesnore! 17:45, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * (Two edit conflicts - WTF)
 * While I agree that the PNAS letter time is quite long, there are two things to keep in mind: First, this isn't some random talk page post or even any wiki edit you can re-edit later on. It's a letter, and a relatively important one at that. And having an upper limit for the word count is somewhat challenging. I occasionally write "drabbles" (a very short story with exactly 100 words, though often enough, people accept something like "250 or less" as a definition, too), and trimming a long message/story down to just 250 words isn't trivial. So a day or two wouldn't be too unusual, especially if you got other things to do.
 * Then again, Andy (being a lawyer) should have lots of practice with writing formal letters (and I'm sure somebody occasionally asks him to be... uh... concise, too), so the current delay is somewhat startling, yes. --Sid 17:47, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Generally, the shorter a letter has to be, the longer it takes to write it. -- 17:53, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

It's also interesting that they haven't figured out that there is no reason to capitalize "Third Experiment." Sterilesnore! 17:52, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * As I was flipping through the diffs earlier, I had opened the talkpage in a tab, to mention that they probably should italicize E. coli, but they figured it out on their own!!! (finally)  ħ uman  18:11, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

I also like "It is error to include" instead of "It is an error to include" or "It is erroneous to include." I have problems with grammar, but ... Sterilesnore! 18:13, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Wouldn't it just be the perfect irony if the letter gets rejected because of bad spelling / grammar. --PsyGremlinWhut? 21:04, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah... we should delete the above handy free proofreading until after it is sent. I think he plans on foisting this thing on the world Monday 7/28.  ħ uman  21:06, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, the real irony is that nothing really has changed since they started writing it. A few small wording changes, but nothing significant.  When I revise things I get rid of words, move sentences around, "Be Bold" in the wikipedia parlance.  There's been none of that. Sterilesnore! 08:50, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Ex-GF WIGO item
"Her summary describes Wikipedia as an "online libel board," that "any loser can use to smear people who are more successful than them."" Apparently not true, since Andy had to start his own wiki in order to do that.  ħ uman  19:03, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Gun Control Hypocrisy
Ok, so no surprise in the heading I guess, but terrible as that shooting incident is, CP's treatment of the headline is interesting. When the massacre took place in Akhiba, they were all "In Japan, a country with strict gun controls, man kills 7" (or something like that) - forgetting to mention he killed them by driving a truck into them, then running amok with a knife (which are also illegal). Now we have "in America, a country with no gun controls, man shoots 7". Oh wait... they managed to leave the first part of the headline out. That faint sound you can hear is my blood boiling. --PsyGremlinWhut? 20:36, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * It does not matter what happens someone is going to find some way to kill people even if all they have is a stick. Andy is going to argue that there is too much gun control and if everyone had a gun all these crack snipers (ordinary everyday citizens) would have step in and stop the man. If everyone had a gun the world would look like a more violent version of this. $\approx$$\pi$ 20:51, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Or this --Sid 06:55, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Conservative insight
Interesting definition of insight Andy has here. It seems Andy gains insight from people by having them tell him what he wants to hear. 3.14159 (not signed in)
 * Um, MikeR did get Andy to change a news item to reflect reality. The fact that Mike's last post before Andy's comment there was bootlicking was simple block-avoidance, really. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah but for that he got Godspeeded. For agreeing his is told he is insightful. Isn't giving him an alternative view more insightful than agreeing with him? $\approx$$\pi$ 22:15, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Read the whole section! MikeR schooled Andy on UK politics, and opened by Godspeeding him. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  22:29, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I didn't notice MikeR's Godspeed. Maybe Andy really does me "fuck you" when he types it, he seems to be taking it as Mike's meaning. $\approx$$\pi$ 23:35, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe, nice point, maybe some of those diffs belong at godspeed? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  00:06, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, but what he really got thanks for was this part of the comment "it was a victory for Christian conservative values." which is utter, utter, utter bullshit.--Bobbing up 13:06, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Hey, leave MikeR alone! The Lay Scientist 13:18, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Moles nest
according to Jinxy-poo this is now the moles nest. Nice, nice. Hey Jinxy, it was me that TerryH banned for insulting him, you and Andy The Great. Better call the FBI eh? Ace McWickedInteresting 23:20, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Reminds me of a friend of mine who dubbed fanfiction.net as "the pit of voles". It stuck. --Kels 18:20, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Or maybe they dont give a toss ...
... what a little cryptofascist "thinks" 23:23, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (for someone who scorns us so devastatingly, he pays an awful lot of attention to what goes on here. Perhaps he should start a WIGO-RW on cp. 23:25, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Perhaps we should start one here. It would make the recent discussion about the front page easier for everyone one to find if we had a central site news page. It could also double as stocks, we can people over to the mob much easier if they all get to vote. $\approx$$\pi$ 23:39, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's been tried, I think & failed miserably. 23:41, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Pi, that would depend on people checking in on WIGORW to keep up. As it is, it was posted on talk:main, and added to the "recent changes"/"my watchlist" headers.  What i suppose would be cool is if there is srs site business going on, we could generate an orange banner whenever someone loads a page that says "come discuss this"?  Hmmmm.... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:56, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Isn't that already provided by the wiki software, Wikipedia seems to have one all the time. 3.14159 (not signed in)
 * Here we go this might help as well. $\approx$$\pi$ 00:37, 28 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Mm I drafted this a while ago:Suggestion for things for TMT to do: devise a method for sending a comment to all members of a particular group e.g. all sysops, all editors in last 24 hours, all editors on a particular article. 00:39, 28 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Yay! Jinx is proud of the fact I think he is a dumbass. I thought it was a rather poor insult at the time, but if he cares enough to pretend he does not care I must have really got at him. $\approx$$\pi$ 23:52, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Hehe, we just need to start calling him things he can't type at CP.... Jinx, you're a fuckwit. And a penis.  And a vagina. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  23:57, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Go on then, I'll do it: "Jinxmchue: you're a cunt, only not as useful or as pleasurable or even as pretty" 00:02, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If I may. You are a rationlalwiki rationalwiki rationalwiki rationalwiki with a very small mole on your rectum. And for good measure, RATIONALWIKI YOU! -- 00:44, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Umm...
Hey Jinx. Didn't you accuse us of....I don't know what was it...Uhhh...Obsession? -- 00:32, 28 July 2008 (EDT)


 * He seems to miss the point of our scummy site. Someone posts here and then it gets post over there because at any time more than 60% of us are banned over there and we still want our opinions heard. All that is happening is someone is passing the massage along. Jinx why don't you just sign up and say what you have got to say over here. We go over there all the time to put out 2 cents in. $\approx$$\pi$ 00:50, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Ken schools jinxy-winx
Funny thing about Conservative schooling Jinx in google-bombing is as I remember Conservative denying A)He ever google-bomb and B)That he didnt know what it was. Deceit anyone? Also, as soon as Conservative told him, Jinx went in and added the term "Left Behind" in front of every "Eternal forces". Young punk is learning fast. Ace McWickedInteresting 08:49, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * like so, Grasshopper...PFoster 11:58, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, I see he is teaching him to write badly to make articles tiresome to read... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  18:27, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * So, call me stupid (ohai, stoopid), but isn't it necessary to have LINKS to a name (like pzmyers), and not just have it listed many time in one article. I could write "Tanya is Gadot" copy and pasted 10 million times on one page, and it wouldn't change a thing, right?  --Waiting for Godot 18:36, 28 July 2008 (EDT)


 * (Disclaimer: I'm no certified Search Engine Expert) You're thinking of what Conservative does on forums and blogs: Spamming a link to his CP articles along with ad text like "Wow, did you check out Conservapedia's article about Atheism, which was voted Conservapedia's Article of the Year?". That will/should lead to boosting CP in the Google rank when people search for "Atheism" for example.
 * What Conservative meant here is grouping search terms together to manipulate Google into thinking a page is highly relevant for potential searches. For example, if you're looking for Ken idiot, Google will try to give you results where these two words are closely together. So a page with "Ken is an idiot" would be ranked higher than one with "Ken said blah blah blah idiot blah". Conservative is trying to spam this process by having the phrase "PZ Myers" close to a whole crapload of terms since people will likely google for PZ Myers [other term] instead of just Myers [other term]. --Sid 18:55, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * PS: That also explains why his pet articles are full of convoluted phrases like "In regard to [subject that is already obvious from the title/headline], [name with full title and position/affiliation] stated that". It's all to boost his rankings for as many search terms as possible, but that makes his articles so hard to read because it's chock full of clumsy repetitions and redundancies. --Sid 19:03, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Church Shooting...
The BBC is reporting that dude shot up the church not because he hated Christianity, but possibly because he hated fags and liberals: "But some have suggested the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church was targeted because it is very liberal - allowing gay ministers and marriages. " PFoster
 * Foxy's stuck his oar in. The more I read about these folks, the more I like 'em. 11:10, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * EC - :On a somewhat related note -CP has got to be the only place where a Messianic Jew gets to call out another group for being a fake religion. Fox - most Jews and Christians alike think the same thing about your own faith. PFoster 11:11, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * PF: it isn't that I think they are "fake", I just don't think that they are really "a religion" at all. In fact, being a "religion" would prevent many of its supporters from being members. It is "a religious organization", a very different entity indeed, and I would chop the cp article more to reflect this if only I could be bothered to keep edit warring. My changing of its description is not an attack. Also, there are a number of organizations all referred to under the umbrella title who actually have very different ideas about what universalism and/or Unitarianism actually means, and don't consider themselves part of the same organization! And despite the nicer things they beleve in, they are pretty much just a pick'n'mix new age fluff thing. at their own general assembly they admitted they "sort of pick and choose from among wildly unrelated pieces of Buddhism: a little from Tibetan, a little from Chinese, a little from here, a little from there. This is offensive and presumptuous." A religious-based organization? Definitely. A fully-fledged religion within its own right? Stretch of the imagination. Fox 11:34, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Fox - point taken. Thanks for clarifying your views....but still, if one read only CP, it would seem as though an attack on religion took place against something that isn't a religion....only in CP-land...PFoster 11:39, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The more I think about it, the more Orwellian the logic gets. The shooting is evidence that there is a strong hatred of Christians. But it wasn't a Christina church, but that doesn't matter, because Andy says it shows that there is a strong hatred of religion. But not, the Unitarian Universalists aren't a religion, they're a "liberal association claiming to be a religion." And yet shooting them up is still evidence that Christians are being targeted. nd my favourite part? The whole thing happened as the church was being used for a chidrens' performance of "Annie." Anyone for a rousing rendition of "Tomorrow?" PFoster 11:21, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course, the natural reaction to any musical involving precious children is to lock and load. Annie, Oliver, Bugsy, it's only a wonder it doesn't happen more often. Anyway, I'm sure Andy's logic is along the lines of the "Nobody is really an atheist, they just don't want to follow God's rules" reasoning. Christianity is the only true faith, so shooting up any place of worship means you hate Jebus. --81.187.254.242 11:27, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, it's even better than that. The same source cited for the "hates Christianity" story has affirmed that the gunman left a four-page rant about his seething hatred of liberals.  So: anyone care to place bets on whether that makes the front page at CP?  --Phentari 11:39, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Fall back to "Wouldn't have happened if everyone is armed" in 5...4...3...2...1 --81.187.254.242 11:46, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm. A gun-loving moron who hates liberals. Anyone seen Karajou around recently? DickTurpis 11:44, 28 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I've added a Talk page post that suggests they revise the headline, or since Andy says it's correct, call Unitarian Universalism a Church instead of a liberal association pretending to be one. I'm sensing near-term blockage, and not because of a high-fiber breakfast today... -SpinyNorman 11:47, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

I think that the direction Andy will be taking with this is that the liberal media scrubbed their stories, changing the shooter's motivation from "hatred of Christianity" to "hatred of liberals" to suit their own agenda. - Lardashe
 * Not really possible without upsetting the whole MSM theory, now that Fox News is also calling it hatred of gays and liberals.  <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  12:53, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Lots of lovely wriggling going on now. Hee Hee. 12:29, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I still do not understand the mindset that can say 1) well, he's not conservative just cause he hates liberals, and 2)how you can not recognize your own hatred in this man. I really don't think (though prove me wrong) i've seen a "liberal" shooting a doctor, or a church, etc...--i iz a blond now 12:47, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * "Hmmm. A gun-loving moron who hates liberals." You forgot to add "and who lives in Tennessee"! [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   12:59, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And military.... though it falls apart after that. Apparently the shooter was army (101 airborne)... not navy. --Shagie 13:10, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Nah, the day Karajou finally snaps he is coming after one of us. 130.113.218.226 13:16, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

My guess is that Andy will turn this around and blame the church for the shootings. They aggresively pushed their liberal/gay agenda, it was only a matter of time before their "in your face" style made someone snap, something to that effect. Maybe, too, he'll put some of the blame on Hollywood Values, since the church was performing a musical at the time of the shooting.--WJThomas 13:19, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And of course, when there is a neighbor who had one conversation with the guy two years ago claiming she thinks he might have had isseus with Christianity that belongs on the front page of the site. But the actual words of the shooter, well it is too early to tell. The appropriate thing to do is not add "that he hated liberals" to the front page but remove the crap about hating Christianity. Hell remove the piece all together as Andy is known to get a hard on about mass shootings and that needs to stop. 130.113.218.226 13:20, 28 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Christianity makes him angry because he had it forced on him.Shangrala 13:34, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

I thought we sort of didn't WIGO these shooting things? I know we are reporting on CP's bungling in spinning it, but still... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:54, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * PS, Mike Malloy is going on and on about it too, and that's also sort of making me sick. It's way to early for anyone to adding an event like this to their list of political markers. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  21:55, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * One aspect that gave me ironic lulz is This plea from Jinxy. Yes, I agree that we should wait for all the facts to come out before jumping to conclusions and posting unfounded allegations on the main page. Silver Sloth 08:18, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Account Creation enabled
Account creation enabled. For now... 72.243.191.219 15:02, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Just as an academic question to satisfy my curiousity, how do a lot of people get around the IP blocked feature at CP. I mean if all vandals are Ames (and no doubt they are) surely he must have had his IP blocked at some point.--Chris111 15:21, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it's something to do with how your ISP sets up your IP address - my provider gives me a new one every time I log on. I think there's something called "static" as opposed to "dynamic" IP addresses...
 * (EC)Well, I have a static IP in one abode and dynamic at another. It all depends on what sort of deal you have with your ISP. But if you need to get round IP blocks then you can use an anonymous proxy. There are loads of free ones but the commonest were perma-banned long ago. Some are available for a subscription fee and are much more reliable as well as providing 2-way communication. Some free ones don't allow uploads. You can find free low-profile proxies but their speed and time-lag might be frustrating. Alternatively you can edit from public terminals or wi-fi hotspots. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis    15:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It seems that the repeated naming of Ames as the Great Puppetmaster is just a bit of an in-joke. -- 15:27, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The primary mechanism is to use a proxy, but there are a limited number of proxies in the world...eventually we will run out. 15:28, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank you for the replies I shall have a look at the suggestions (purely to satisfy my intellectual curiousity of course).--Chris111 16:15, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Now this is just ridiculous
Wow. Dean got him. And the shit. -- 20:51, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wonder if he did a checkuser on it; but Jinxmchue wouldn't do that ... would he ...? 22:00, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think this sort of thing is in jinxy's MO. He prefers to make little snarky comments like adding ADL to hate groups etc.  This seems totally out of character based on his record at WP.--Damo2353 22:05, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Spy kids
BEWARE of Godwin's Law

Actually it is pretty unsettling. Ajkgordon 08:18, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * As unsettling as indoctrinating kids with religion. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   08:29, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And which authority are the "Climate Cops" supposed to report their parents to? The EPA? The FBI? MI5? KGB? Oh. The parents themselves. I suppose the parents will have no choice but to put themselves in concentration camps. It does seem over-the-top, but it's not exactly Hitler Youth. DickTurpis 08:30, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No, of course it's not the Hitler Youth. I mean, advertising to kids to get their parents to buy them chocolate is one thing. But running a dossier on them? Fucking come on! Ajkgordon 08:32, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually I am extremely offended by the comparison of children being encouraged to help their families act in an environmentally-friendly way with the Hitler Youth. However, unlike those who get upset about the desecration Jesus crackers, I will quietly ignore it knowing that nothing WorldNetDaily says is worthy of consideration and get on with the more important things in life. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   08:38, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I was fairly confident I didn't need to preface my comment with how ridiculous the comparison was. Nevertheless, it is not healthy encouraging children to act like police in their own families however laudable the aim. Ajkgordon 08:43, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, but where do you draw the line? "Officer, my Dad's murdered my granny!" would be ok? 08:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And, at the other extreme, my niece was encouraged by her school to urge her family to use a lower temperature wash cycle. Is that Ok or is it unwarrantable intrusion into home life? Silver Sloth 08:53, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It might on the surface appear to be something I would start frothing at the mouth over... but I agree with Ajkgordon that it isn't a "good thing" to encourage this behaviour in children or in families. "With those children [Winston] thought, that wretched woman must lead a life of terror. Another year, two years, and they would be watching her night and day for symptoms of unorthodoxy. Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party." (George Orwell, "1984") Hitler Youth? Hm, my biggest reaction when I hear that name is one of pity and sadness. Children, ten years old (okay, so that was the Deutsches Jungvolk, but they were the feeder organization for the HJ), indoctrinated in that way... A crime, a terrible crime =( Biggest irony for me, in fact, was that the WND should be making unfavourable comparisons with the Nazis when their own site preaches White Supremacy. Fox 08:59, 29 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Now you're just being silly. There is a fundamental difference between educating children (the corollary of which might be changing parents' behaviours) and encouraging children to run dossiers. Ajkgordon 09:02, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Come on. These comparisons is completely absurd. From the article: "The "Climate Cops" website encourages children to investigate family and friends and "then build your 'Climate Crime Case File' and report back to your family to make sure they don't commit those crimes again (or else)!" The site also warns children that they "may need to keep a watchful eye" to prevent future violations." (Slight emphasis is mine). In other words, what they're saying is, "hey kids, look around your house for ways to conserve energy and tell your parents about them." -- 09:07, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * There's nothing wrong with that. But I can think of far more fun and age-appropriate methods to use than encouraging kids to build criminal case files and think of their families as criminals... Fox 09:11, 29 July 2008 (EDT)'
 * I am reasonably sure that this won't make kids "think of their families as criminals", just as playing cops and robbers won't make them think of their friends as criminals. This is way out of proportion. -- 09:15, 29 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I'm sorry but it is completely inappropriate to encourage kids to behave this way. Crime, case files... what a load of Orwellian bollocks. Educate the kids, get them to encourage behaviour change in their families... fine... we live in an indoctrinated society... goes with the territory. But this? Stop, I want to get off. Ajkgordon 09:17, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well these are the things they are supposed to be looking out for. Doesn't seem too bad to me.--Bobbing up 09:21, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow. It took now time for the Nazi comparisons at WorldDailyNet, and we descended to Orwell comparisons in 9 comments. Nice to see everyone is being so rational about this. $\approx$$\pi$
 * To behave which way, exactly? -- 09:48, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's got nothing to do with what "they are supposed to be looking for". It could be anything - personal hygiene, food preparation, whatever.
 * How can you possibly find this form of words OK?
 * Download the ‘Climate Crime’ cards and use them to search your home to make sure that none are happening under your own roof! Then build your ‘Climate Crime Case File’ and report back to your family to make sure they don’t commit those crimes again (or else)! You may need to keep a watchful eye over them by revisiting the case every week or two to make sure they don’t slip back into any of their old habits.
 * Replace just one word, one word, "Climate" with another, say, "Thought" or "Jew" or "Communist" and surely you see that children should not be encouraged to think this way. Ajkgordon 09:57, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And Pi, this is lifted almost directly from Nineteen Eighty-Four hence me making the comment. Ajkgordon 10:06, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree with Ajkgordon that it does go too far. I can see why they took that angle, as it makes mundane chores into an adventure, but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth. Depending on the ages of the kids involved, it could send quite a bad message if misconstrued. But Hitler Youth? Well, that's WND for you. DickTurpis 10:00, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And I gotta admit, I love the idea of a "Jew Crime Case File". I think I'll start one on my Jewish friends right now. DickTurpis 10:01, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Replace just one word, one word, "Climate" with another, say, "Thought" or "Jew" or "Communist" and surely you see that children should not be encouraged to think this way. oh, fir chrissakes, AKJG lighten up a bit. That's not only a violation of Godwin's Law, it's just fucking silly. No one is yet asking children to rat their parents out for thoughtcrimes, and there's nothing - not a sweet fuckin' thing - in this programme that asks kids to rat anyone out to a higher authority than Mom. PFoster 10:11, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You all are going way overboard here. There was a point when the "drug cops" of DARE told kids to SNEEK INTO THIER PARENTS THINGS, and TURN THEM INTO THE COPS or a teacher.  But this is a game about the environment.  Jewish kids are supposed to go around the house looking for bits of levened bread on passover(?) maybe, and then "turn it in" to the parents saying they did a good job of rooting out the evil bread.  Think their parents are worried about them turning into little bread cops? Seroiusly, people.  somethings are just games, and kids really can tell a difference -- or the parents who are monitoring the game can.--Waiting for Godot 10:14, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * LOL! I never thought I'd be having to make this point on this website. I can't really explain it more clearly. It's not about the subject, people. It's about the technique. Thin edge and all that. Extraordinary. Oh well, as you were. Ajkgordon 10:19, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Is the techniques effective? It might work in a dictatorship but kids in the "free world" are bone lasy fat slobs who play playstation all day. Even if they joined the climate cops thing it will wear off in about 1 week, or their parents will get pissed off with them and they will get the smacking they thoroughly deserve. When dictatorship are on the rise you should try something before we get to child indoctrination. It isn't thin edge of wedge stuff having children rat out their parents, that is "we now have control how do we keep it" style. $\approx$$\pi$ 22:20, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

The website
Has anyone gone to the website? It is a pile of little flash games. Where did they get this dossier crap from? $\approx$$\pi$ 09:02, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's designed for kids. What do you expect? Take a closer look. Ajkgordon 09:06, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * That is the worst of it. Wow! I'm scared the kids might turn me with their fake notebook cards. $\approx$$\pi$ 09:07, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I think they mean the "case file":


 * Children are stupid. Most would get bored after a week and go back to playing their playstations. 09:12, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Games
It took me a while to relies to use the hammer shadow to hit the buttons, the code for the first game is 2210. $\approx$$\pi$ 09:16, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * How is a hover-board scooter energy efficient? Code 2 is 3050. $\approx$$\pi$ 09:20, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow that light switch nearly got me. The secret code word to become a climate cop is GREEN. Don't tell nobody okay. $\approx$$\pi$ 09:26, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * So you are seriously telling me that you are worried that kids get to be "detectives" and study cases, and try to use good skills to find "crimes" about a greener house? You are really saying that when I pretend to be a WWII pilot (on the swing set, "he's on your tail,he's on your tail") that I was going to become militaristic?  KIDS PLAY GAMES!  They like to play let's pretend.  Where is that horror you all are seeing in this?--Waiting for Godot 10:02, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. And a game about saving energy looks quite a good one to me.--Bobbing up 10:08, 29 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Jesus. Ajkgordon 10:24, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * There is one difference between the cops and robbers scenario and the build a criminal case against your parents one. The kids are playing a mutually agreeable game in which they have decided to take opposing sides. A website explaining rules for cops and robbers would obviously be harmless. Now imagine one which encourages kids to find someone in their neighborhood (maybe someone "different") and make him the robber. You build a crime case against him, and when you have enough evidence, "arrest" him and put him in "jail". It's not quite the same thing, but illustrates some issues. Yes, in general kids are smart enough to know that a Climate Crime is just a game, but are there some who might take it too literally? Some who might be willing to go on to looking for drugs their parents might have, and, realizing this is a real crime, turn them into the real authorities? I just think it's a poor precedent. A good idea, but a bad execution. DickTurpis 10:27, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wut? I'd say kids whose parents use drugs have significantly more serious problems than... whatever it is people seem to think is a problem here. -- 10:38, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * That's not really the point. If there were an effort to get kids to investigate if their parents do drugs, and turn them in to the authorities if they do, would that be a problem for you? Would be for me (and, from what someone said above, apparently DARE did just that).I realize that this is a dofferent situation in that in one case you're turning your parents in to themselves and another into the authorities, but one involves made up crimes, and one involves real one. I think the issue here is that people shouldn't encourage kids to involve their parents in game without the knowledge and consent of the parents, especially if you're going to throw words like "criminal" around. I don't think it's a very big deal, but I think it shows a lapse in judgment. DickTurpis 10:45, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank you, Mr Turpis. After all, the word I used originally was "unsettling". Which it is as described by you above. I really didn't expect to have to explain it here. Ajkgordon 10:49, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Your attention, please
This is a game. Children know how to distinguish between reality and games. This is particularly true for children who understand what global warming is and why it is a problem. If a child does not understand that there is a difference between reality and games, that child has a problem, and so does its parents. Specifically, that problem lies with the child and its parents, not with the game. That is all. -- 11:00, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. It's no more leading towards authoritarianism than making kids Milk Monitor. This is the key, they're being encourged to monitor the family's environmental practices and report them to the family. Hitler Youth were reporting their family to the authorities and that's the difference. Silver Sloth 11:08, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, but some of them might become confused with the ideas of "Looking for evidence of Wasted Energy" and "Looking for Jewish People" or "Looking for their Parents Drugs". They may then get further confused by the instruction "to report back to their parents" and instead start "kidnapping Jewish people".  Or taking their parents many drugs to the police. Have I got that right?--Bobbing up 11:12, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Every child has a right to take their parents many drugs. 11:13, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No drugs left behind. -- 11:17, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I was kind of disappointed with the third game, I thought by shooting the energy waster you would be going after the people who were wasting energy. And the second game? Don't you get to knock the energy waster off the road in a classic roll over accident? Really, kids have much more discerning tastes these days, how do they plan on competing with grand theft auto iv. 11:16, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * By the way (and speaking of Milk Monitor) kids have *always* been placed in positions of psuedo-resposiblity to help teach them **about** responsibility. I had a friend who's dad swore, and we all got to make him "put a penny in the jar" when we caught him.  In my house, i was the tattle tale of the family, and was rewarded for it.  didn't make me a spy, but it did make my brother think i was quite the geek.  I know families who have "monitors" for picking up rooms, doing chores, etc.  Including "getting" to monitor daddy and mommy.  For heaven's (or his noodly's sauce's) sake, it's part of learning about responsibility and growing up.--Waiting for Godot 11:43, 29 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Guys, guys, guys. Just because a stupid website made some comparison to the Hitler Youth, doesn't mean that the Npower Climate Cops thing is above criticism.
 * It's creepy. End of. Ajkgordon 12:02, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Fine, you think it's creepy and should be criticised. i see nothing about it that is any different than being a tattle tale, hall monitor, or playing detective.  I guess time shall tell if you buy me a drink or I buy you one.  But creepy is when cops tell kids to rat on thier parents to other cops, D.A.R.E.  --Waiting for Godot 12:10, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Mine's a pint :) Ajkgordon 12:24, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Mine's Chocolate from Paris, truth be told. You have a bullet train, so it will be workable.--Waiting for Godot 12:36, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm off to the rainy islands soon and oh-so0badly craving that first pint of real Guiness....or better yet, Murphy's. mmmm. pints.PFoster 12:27, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Or when the cable guy is deputised to rat me out for the books he sees on my shelf - which is an actual element of the latest incarnation of Homeland Security. (BTW why not just call it "Fatherland Security" for the full-on fascist effect it sooo badly craves?)PFoster 12:13, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Can we now reduce the font size of that "report back to your family" bit up above? It's like my mother has taken control of the internet because I don't phone her often enough. Fox 12:32, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course. -- 14:02, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Fox, do you have to engage in Jewish mom stereotyping? Isn't that a little bit NASTy of you? Or did you just forget the smiley? ;) [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis   12:41, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll stop if my mom does ;) Fox 13:12, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Attention - offensive joke follows. Please avert your eyes if you take umbrage at such things. Reminds me of that old joke:"What's the difference between a doberman and a Jewish mother? Eventually the doberman lets go..."PFoster 13:15, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If you look closely and use your imagination you might see swastikas. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 17:21, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm not so sure - I mean, I see where you're coming from, and I always hesitate before pulling out jokes like this - I could excuse it by telling you that the joke was told to me by a Jewish friend, but if you really "see swastikas," I suppose that won't matter...Humour is weird, and one guy's joke is something that the next guy finds appalling. I think it's a cute line because it speaks to less harmful cultural stereotypes - hell, a couple of days ago people were joking here about the blood libel and Jews controlling the media and that seemed to go okay...anyway, no harm meant, but if you take offense, I apologise...
 * Ehhh, I wasn't referring to your comment (and honestly don't know how it can be taken that way) when I said the swastika thing, I was talking about the site. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 18:32, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

My father is just as bad. Walking home from the synagogue last year he was hit by a car. It wasn't too serious, but they wanted him to be checked at the hospital. Whilst waiting for an ambulance, a policeman tucked a blanket under his head and asked, "Are you comfortable?" He shrugged and replied, "I make a nice living." Fox 07:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
 * LOL@Fox! Two Ronnies! Ajkgordon 08:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
 * LOL at the 2 ronnies =) For people of a certain age (eg me heh) they were a Saturday night institution. Class. Fox 08:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

German
One thing surprises me. CP haven't mentioned that npower is owned by a German company. Ajkgordon 16:51, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

New one.
This is interesting. I'm sure only liberals do it. -- 15:20, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, I wonder why it was deleted (blanked?)?? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:31, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Misspelling --CPAdmin1 15:36, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Obama "Death List..."
Yeah Terry. The spelling it what's wrong with that article. -- 15:29, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

And we thought the Vince Foster case was overblown....PFoster 15:29, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's gone ... what did it include? Jr  ss  r5  15:32, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, these things don't last long! Screenshots? <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:33, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You can google it. One of the "victims" charged Obama with date rape. But since date rape didn't exist in 1990, the charges were dropped. WHAT THE FUCK? -- 15:35, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No screenshot, but copied here: User:PFoster/Sandbox/CP Obama list article‎ PFoster 15:36, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks! I think... <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  15:48, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * In looking into it, it sounds like the people named on the list don't actually exist. - Lardashe
 * of course they don't. They're DEAD!. That's the whole point...oh, wait, nevermind...PFoster 16:21, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Just searching for the last entry ("Gandy Baugh"), I found this Snopes article. Apparently, Obama and Clinton worked together on this fictional murder.  Can you believe that?  Together!  --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  16:24, 29 July 2008 (EDT
 * "That's Right Nate" is equally perplexed. --<font color="#99CCFF">Arcan   ¡ollǝɥ  16:26, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * DARSANO RAHARDJO - Childhood classmate of Barack Obama when he attended a madrassa in Indonesia. Was found with his head cut off in a Jakarta alley way in 1970. Many children at the school attributed Rahardjo's murder to the young Barack Obama. It was likely done as an initiation ritual, since Islam demands that a boy spill another's blood before the age of ten to prove their loyalty to Allah. There's just so much right in there...PFoster 16:31, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I found a source where a right-winger is trying to claim that there is more than one attorney named Gandy Baugh. I just checked a research tool here at work.  There was definitely only one. - Lardashe


 * Every liberal politician has to kill an attorney named Gandy Baugh as an initiation ritual, since liberalism demands that a politician spill a Gandy Baugh's blood before becoming President to prove their loyalty to secular humanism. --Phentari 16:43, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, but if they have to do the deed before they are 10, how do they know they will be in politics? or do lefty mommys just go out and find lots of lawyers named gandy baugh, and say "son, someday you too can be president -- if you kill this man?--Waiting for Godot 16:46, 29 July 2008 (EDT)


 * No, no, no--he had to kill a CLASSMATE before the age of 10. The ritual killing of the Gandy Baugh comes much later.  All those immoral cloning experiments?  They were designed to produce a steady supply of lawyers who could be thrown out of the windows of tall buildings.  --Phentari 16:48, 29 July 2008 (EDT)


 * If my name were "Gandy Baugh," I'd save them the trouble and kill myself.PFoster 16:46, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Mumbles something about why there is no dead cats on this list. that would at least put it up there with the greats of Satanism lists.  --Waiting for Godot 16:52, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I sure he's been associated with a cat that's died. I mean, he'ss 45 ish and the average life expectancy of a cat is what, 10 years? So it's inevitable and irrefutable that he's met a cat that is now dead. What more proof do you need? Or he's never been associated with a cat because he hates cats, making it even more obvious that he's an evil muslim. [Do I need to add a sarcasm tag for safety?!?] Armondikov 17:16, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * But Muhammad loved cats, and Islam regards the cat highly - see Muezza. Now, maybe if he was a dog hater, that would be another issue... and unpatriotic. --Shagie 18:09, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Clearly, he *is* a dog hater, as the family has no pets. how unamerican!--Waiting for Godot 18:12, 29 July 2008 (EDT) (and Noodles forbid, that was actually made into a talking point by republicans)
 * Actually, he does like dogs; he promised his daughters he'd get the one when the campaign is over. You know who else liked dogs? HITLER!!!! DickTurpis 03:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Bitler was a sensitive man *sniff*. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  03:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)