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broked pinki
i brokeded my pinky metacarpel today. a "hairline" fracture. but it hurts worse than when i broke broke my foot. and im typing with one finger and the other hand... oh joy. put the drugs they gave me work well.--Godot  Tue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 01:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you get Vicodin? It's useful for House impressions. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 01:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * two days (or 3 nights worth only.) pouts.    6 little pills.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot   Tue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 01:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ouch. I remember when I broke my wrist, that hurt quite a bit too. On the plus side, once the docs get it effectively immobilised the pain retires to an irritating ache. I guess you'll just have to get used to typing one handed for a week or two. -- 01:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Awww! Poor Godot! D: Feel Better M'dear!--Dumpling (talk) 02:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * how do you manage to break a pinky ? just curious Hamster (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My uncle did once by falling on it. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 20:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * worse, its not the pinky (which i suppose i could understand) but the long bone ( metacarpel) in you palm. it;s called a hairline fracture, so the bune did not seperate.  but how this happened?  i have no idea.  i have carpel tunnel so we thought it was that, cept the bone itself hurt.  did x ray.  there was a little line in it.  who knows.... my cats beat me at night??--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]Godot   Tue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 22:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * k, thanks I didnt pay attention to anything but pinky. The bones there are so small its hard to geta break thats not at the joint. hairline fracture could be anything, I broke my hand once by thunping a disk drive that had failed for the third time on a mainframe. Hamster (talk) 05:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, what do you know? Ray Comfort is useful for something!!!
Be an atheist, visit his blog, and get a free leather jacket made by the Banana Man himself! I don't know if him making leather jackets to give to atheists has ever been discussed here before, but I must say, he's much better at leather working than he is at arguing against evolution. And, yes, i looked on his blog to see if it was for real and it doth appear so. 11:14, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Without a sewing machine... but with every other power tool imaginable. Though I doubt one of those things would suit me. ADK ...I'll discombobulate your potato! 11:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I've never been a brown leather fan. 11:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That used to be in the Ray Comfort article but THEY took it out. Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:10, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would rock that crocodile vest so fucking hard. Occasionaluse (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Eeeww, now I'm thinking of Ray Comfort "in leather" and having an attack of Nightmare Fuel. ADK ...I'll rebel your noseblower! 14:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I like leather. Not sure I could carry off the fringed look though.  15:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

WTC China Syndrome
I was debunking a truther when I found this guy. He combines 9/11 Truth lunacy and nuclear bombs. Choice quote: "[T]here is evidence for the use of small nuclear bombs in the demolition of WTC1 and 2". --Tweenk (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There's worse.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That one is a fairly old chestnut of the fringiest of the fringe of the troofer set. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

So i was playing some political simulator
about the 2008 elections, and the race ended up being a giant showdown between a caricature of far left policies Obama for the Dems and a Caricature of Far right Policies Giuliani, both of whom accomplished little of much  as i had obama just campaign in the northast and Giuliani campaign in California a lot. Then the republicans won because they by default controlled more states. This was after a hard-fought primaries between obama-Gore and Romney-Mccain-Giuliani. And Florida went to the libertarians--il&#39;Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 13:14, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool story bro. 17:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

icr - bad maths or what ?
Can someone read this next bit, and tell me if it makes sense ? thanks its from ICR

"Bocquet-Appel wrote, "The world's population on the eve of the emergence of agriculture is estimated to have been 6 million individuals."1 Thus, the first human couple that supposedly evolved from ape-like ancestors would have had only 6 million descendants after 2.4 million years."
 * surely its the sum of every generation including the 6 million living. Hamster (talk) 17:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Once again ICR either a) fails to understand basic concepts or, b) is once again deliberately talking bollocks because it's not something your average True Believer™ would ever spot.-- 17:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's usually both.... Peter talk, or type, or whatever... 03:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why would anyone expect significant population growth? If a species isn't significantly manipulating its environment to better suit it, as with agriculture, you can support a certain (rather small) number of large mammals per square kilometre. It's what we observe in the animal world. Why aren't there 7 billion gibbons or bonobos? -- 18:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Because famines were invented to prop up flawed old-age paradigms.
 * (Also, they're never going to admit that the same processes that rule animals also work with humans.) Peter talk, or type, or whatever... 03:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Probably meanlingless to anyone outside of the uk and under 30...
...Jimmy Saville is dead. AMassiveGay (talk) 17:50, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Who?--il&#39;Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 19:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He claims to have invented the discotheque, had an odd fixation about his mother (keeping all her clothes after she died) and didn't any form of cooker in his house. Louis Theroux's interview with him was strangely fascinating (as is all Theroux's work). 19:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sir James Savile, OBE KCSG died at home, age 84. Host of the show Top of the Pops. I may have a clip of him presenting Roy Wood. Hamster (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Now then, now then, boys and girls... I'm not sure that I actually liked him but he was definitely part of my growing up. Of course there was Jim'll fix it. Bad Faith (talk) 19:54, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And the band... was... Show...Waddy... Waddy! ADK ...I'll crinkle your fruit! 23:53, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When I was a small child, I thought that his name was "Jim'll Fix It". Like first name Jiml, last name Fixit. I have since learned that Jiml is not a real given name.   10:55, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we all thought that at one point or another. Now, anyone up for naming their first-born Jiml? ADK ...I'll crystallize your rock! 17:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

"The last minority..."
Another phrase that needs to be banned is "We are the last minority it is acceptable to discriminate against." I saw it today being used by Catholics of all people. How far does your head have to be stuffed up your ass to say something like that? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, as a smoker, I sometimes feel discriminated against. Not because I'm not allowed to smoke in bars, offices or anything like that, but when people look at you like you just raped a child in front of them if you light one up "public health care" has gone too far… But catholics, yeah, that's stupid. -- 22:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Funny that, I always think that about atheists - indeed, out articles on the subject may cry over it a little too much (lack of proper advocacy organisations, I presume). But I suppose if you don't get your way you're going to feel oppressed, regardless of what you're claiming discrimination over. That's why they call it a persecution complex, after all. ADK ...I'll golf your fetus! 23:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "White trash" -- poor/working class white Americans-- is another group that it's pretty much okay to hate on in a public setting. I bet if I looked hard enough on teh Ratwik, I could find a few examples...B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 23:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Chav" being the UK equivalent. My theory being that the middle classes were told they weren't allowed to be racist any more, so decided to just make legitimate targets of anyone working class with it. I think we all just have a natural In-Group/Out-Group mentality that's difficult to shake, we all need to find some kind of Out-Group to hate on. And then, back on the original idea, we also need to find a way of making our In-Group more solid, and persecution is a strong driver of that. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll edify your gas tank! 00:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It grates equally when atheists take up this banner, because it's shown to be bunk by a moment's thought. How about sexual minorities? This is a country where gays are barred from marriage in most states, trans people are murdered, and "my kind" can still be diagnosed as "mentally ill" (at least until 2013). People will always find some new group to hate. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if anything goes wrong chocking somebody, you get a free ride if you plead mentally ill. Not that "it was an accident" wouldn't work. -- 00:30, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I tend to notice this phrase, the Catholic church being a good example, when the group confuses being discriminated against with the loss of privilege they once held. -  <font face=times color=black>π    silverbrain.png 00:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, as the "insanity plea" is rarely ever used, being applied for in like 1% of all murder cases and being accepted in like 30% of those. And then it's far from a "free ride", it means instead of prison prison, it's mental hospital prison, which is arguably worse because it means drugs and beatings and constant psychiatric care. It works out better to do the time and take the nonce-bashings. Though, anyway, I suppose the part about atheists taking up the "oppressed minority" banner is rarely in the case of actual legal rights (there are laws on the books, but aren't always enforced) but more about how you really are the outsider when it comes to religious belief. Christians and Muslims may well be at each others throats, but hey, at least they still believe in something. So atheists rarely ever find allies outside their own kind. Note that I am massively generalizing there, and am well aware of it. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll confuddle your automobile! 00:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Catholics haven't been discriminated against in the US since the 60's. I think a Catholic can get over reading the occasional Chick tract or having to listen to Christopher Hitchens bitch about pedophile priests.--  18:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Global warming denier changes mind
This is vaguely interesting. Is he really "prominent?" Of course denialists will just say he's on the bankroll of  or something. -- 18:59, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Muller was never very active in denialist circles until he started the BEST program, and we know how that turned out. Professional climate concern troll Judy Curry is already making "criticisms" that are getting amplified by the usual suspects (Watts, Daily Fail). Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:09, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the BEST thing is something I've heard a lot about, though. Made for some good headlines for AGW, for a change.-- 19:12, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and of course the Fail reporter is none other than...David Rose! These people are so predictable. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Can someone throw me a link to something about this BEST program? Google just shows me something to do with medicine.--  19:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Knock yerself out. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Jon Stewart notices. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 20:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I see a lot of comments regarding "money is a big persuader" and "It's all about the money". Money by whom? WTF. The solar panel manufacturers? Versus who? The oil companies? Or are they saying that this, this specifically person who I have no idea who the fuck was before, during and after, had to be bought out when we have all the Academia with us, UN, Nasa etc and anyone able to take a before and after sea level measurement? Conservatives really keep projecting every behaviour of theirs. Sen (talk) 22:18, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Big Enviro, Al Gore, Maurice Strong, the Politically Correct Establishment, the UN, renewable energy companies, the eugenecists, the New World Order, Margaret Thatcher, the nuclear industry, take your pick. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Be wary of . Sounds like it could be a new Breitbart site!--  01:17, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ssh..don't give Breitbart any ideas. On the good side, the domain is already taken, and not by Breitbart.  All the Breitbart domains are registered thru Domains by Proxy.  Secret Squirrel (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of global warming...
Has anyone else seen deniers going wild on the freak snowstorm in the Northeastern US? Because get ready to lose some IQ points.

Apparently we're all "alarmist" nutcases! Osaka Sun (talk) 01:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you expect anything less from the deniers? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:57, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alarmist indeed. What if we make a better world for nothing? <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll pilot your alfalfa! 10:42, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

College, why you so weird
Friend posted this on facebook, a note she found on the dorm walls
 * That's standard pretty much everywhere. Michigan (exact same wording),  North Carolina, Toronto.  & Durham University (UK) threatens to trace culprits by DNA matching.  21:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a joke, by the way. An oft imitated prank--  21:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, they have real tight rules on postering around here and they get torn down in minutes, so my attempt at this failed, I had a stash of official headed paper and everything! <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll insult your homotopy! 21:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

This is why I don't like the Occupy Wall Street protests
Because they're a bunch of dirty hippies anf they're not convincing anyone of anything-- 01:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Says you. Gallup Poll might disagree. 12:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was warming up to them until I found they don't shower and are generally a nuisance.-- 13:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to bet you've not even been to one of the protests and are just eating the tripe that the media are feeding you. That's fine and all, but you should never believe what the corporate media say about an anti-corporate movement. To get real honesty, you have to go see for yourself. 14:15, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I live in Arizona.-- 14:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, the Biased Corporate Media are doing their utmost to stifle the revolution; like when MSNBC aired a lengthy segment in protest against the NYPD pepper-spraying protesters — oh, wait... 19:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * More like when St. Paul police officially estimated there were 40,000 protestors at the RNC protests on Labor Day, 2008 and that was what everyone reported until Fox Noise and CNN said it was "5-10,000" without a source and then that's what everyone else reported. 07:02, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ...and are generally a nuisance. Ahem. Gloria (talk) 13:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "...they don't shower." says the guy from France. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 14:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How do you hide a quarter from a Frenchman? Highlight for punchline: --  14:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why would a Frenchman want a quarter, failboy? Gloria (talk) 14:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What the fuck is your problem? Vous savais que je suis Francais, j'espere? (QWERTY board, I'm not fishing accents out of the special characters list just to prove how French I am)--  14:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * C'est sur...c'est difficile a comprendre comment tu es "francais", quand je le parle mieux que toi. --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Tue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 20:14, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My problem is the presence of you on RW. Gloria (talk) 14:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but you get used to it. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll bake your zoot suit! 14:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Coming from the guy that eats stuff he finds in the streets… -- 14:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm a communist. I'll be the first to bitch about Wall Street.  But these guys seem like a bunch of jokes.  Additionally, I only ate the one turnip, and I washed it first.  And I don't regret it.--  15:22, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ^This might just be my favourite RW comment of all time.  19:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What would "unjoke" them for you? Storming into the banks and killing the bankers with baseball bats? Or is it that these people are iPod listening students and activists with some education in their brains instead of "the workers"? Any shift to the left in the US is not going to come from "the workers" because they are at home watching FauxNews believing that the atheist, liberals and the gayz messed up the economy, not the bankers. These iPod llistening, Starbucks coffee drinking, PBS and foreign films watching, hippie loving hipsters are sadly the only thing the USA has that isn't part of the completely laughable "left-wing" (oh, fuck me most of OWS protesters aren't even socialist as far as I can see from over the great pond) in the USA. Take them, or take one way ticket to Europe. -- 22:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's funny how the Thomas Frank thesis actually plays right into the hands of the wingnuts by essentially validating these stereotypes. Too bad it's a load of bullshit (outside of the South at least). Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Left-wing movements have always been strongest among academics (although populist movements that take some of their ideas have been popular with workers) and most of the more fanatical tea-baggers are not particularly rich. 04:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So? The numbers refute the liberal narrative that the proles have been indoctrinated with false consciousness over the past few decades through the strategic use of "wedge issues" like the gay and abortion. (Once again, outside of the South of course. Once the race-baiters jumped to the GOP, the proles went along.) Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 05:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. Have the sigs been switched or something?  ListenerX, of  fame, mentions something suspiciously reminiscent of false consciousness, and Nebuchadnezzar, a devotee of moveon.org and the like, tosses it aside as a "liberal narrative?"--  19:05, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

There's a term for guys who have to shower every day: high-maintenance pansy-boys. Or so I assume. DickTurpis (talk) 16:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lord I hope you're joking-- 18:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like our pansy-boy might be getting his knickers in a twist. Perhaps a care package of some Garnier Fructis and some bath salts and essential oils might be just the thing. DickTurpis (talk) 20:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, it's hard for me to tell if people are joking, especially on the internet where you can't hear the inflection of someone's voice or see the expression on their face. My apologies for being dense.--  20:07, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

The hygiene of the people in the street do not put me off to the protests. The pinkos who speak for the leadership committees, now, are another matter. When a grassroots, popular copycat protest was raised here in Minneapolis on what was re-christened (or re-Marxed, to be religiously inclusive) "People's Plaza," the ringleader was a professional activist from Chicago. 19:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Dems have rather blatantly attempted to turn them into the DNC's teabaggers. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * @ListenerX: Have you ever read Squares of the City, by John Brunner?-- 19:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No. What is it about? 20:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a great book about the alienation between rich and poor in a fictional Latin American city somewhat allegorical to Brazilia (in that it was artificially generated as a capital city- nothing more). I asked because many of the advocates for the poor were described as professional demagogues and weren't even locals, like that guy from Chicago leading people around in Minneapolis.  I don't know what kinds of books you like to read, but if you like this kind, you totally should read it.--  21:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This might tell you something of my taste in literature; science fiction has a somewhat limited appeal for me. The Chicago activist is a woman. 22:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I think you mean "analogue," not "allegory." 03:25, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That is what I meant. Sorry if I caused any confusion.--  18:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is what you get for using alternative media sources. From reading the Biased Corporate Media, you might gather that these are everymen protesting for financial reform, which is what most of them are; but when you turn to the pinko press, you learn that professional left-wing activists are working like gangbusters to channel this protest, the same as the Democrats; an endeavor that seems to have met with some success, given how the more vocal protesters are repeating what the professional activists have been saying for decades. 22:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is what you get for using alternative media sources. From reading the Biased Corporate Media, you might gather that these are everymen protesting for financial reform, which is what most of them are; but when you turn to the pinko press, you learn that professional left-wing activists are working like gangbusters to channel this protest, the same as the Democrats; an endeavor that seems to have met with some success, given how the more vocal protesters are repeating what the professional activists have been saying for decades. 22:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I never thought I'd be saying this, but you guys are stunningly... moderate in your politics. Safe. Generic. Bland.

Am I the only one who remember when it first became big news that the TSA was doing pat-downs, and suddenly everybody was up in arms about? Every radical worth their salt had been opposed to the TSA from the beginning, but only when white, middle-class men starting getting groped did the general public give a shit. Who cares if some sand-niggers and "professional activists" get pulled out of line, their phones and laptops confiscated and analyzed for "suspicious information", then interrogated and held for hours with no indication of that they were even breaking the law. Who cares that feminists (I thought you all were feminists? I guess not.) objected to the pat-downs as ripe for sexual harassment incidents.

But what's this? White, middle-class blokes—guys who aren't even filthy radicals!—getting pat-downs, too? Privileged majorities suddenly getting nudie-scans of them taken? OMG, the TSA is the worst thing ever and all good citizens must protest this and campaign against it!

But, fuck you hippies. Rights for me and not for you. Keep getting beaten by police. Keep getting relegated to "free speech zones". Keep getting watched by the FBI for protesting the wrong thing. Keep being ignored. These things are only news-worthy when they happen to us.

And the impoverished, the disadvantaged, the marginalized people you radicals fight so hard to help? Don't worry—I'm sure we'll get around to them. As soon as we get our jobs, our houses, our privileged lifestyles back, because ours are so much more important. (The middle class is the engine of the economy, and all that! I heard a politician say it once!) I'm sure we'll remember to overhaul the system that's been failing those people for decades.

The punks, hippies, and anarchists you're complaining about? They were warning us about the dangers of unchecked corporatism and government power for years—decades, even. But they were marginalized, ignored, told to shut the fuck up and let the system be. And now that they've been proven right, you all have the temerity to fret that they're co-opting the Occupy Wall Street movement, when it should be the other way around?

Jesus wept. 00:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Preach it, brother!-- 01:02, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 01:04, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FUCK YEAH STABBY. HollowWorld (talk) 02:55, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * STABBY FOR PRESIDENT!!!! 04:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Best. Post. Ever. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 04:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice to see someone getting to the fucking point, instead of going "yeah the corporate fat-cats are bad, but you guys are just as bad, can't we all just agree on what we have in common?". -  <font face=times color=black>π    silverbrain.png 04:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * More to the point, though, the American economy has reached the point where it is no longer a truely capitalistic system. Rather, we've reached the point where we are a feudalistic society and the wealthy maintain their wealth by screwing the poor. I've been a political activist for over 10 years now (since I was just 13). It was 7 years ago that I attended a speech by Dr. Ravi Batra where he warned that the Bush tax cuts followed by years of war would only need "an economic downturn" to be able to send this country to the brink of bankrupcy and subsequent massive recession. And then, the housing bubble burst and what Dr. Batra warned at that lecture came to an unfortunate frutition. Interestingly, during the time of this reccession (according to the government's own statistics) the overall wealth of the lower and middle class has gone down by almost 35%. And what about the wealth of the wealthy? It's only gone up by 155%, because the rich don't actually care if the stock market goes up or down, they have hedge funds and can place a bet one day that the market will go up and make money and then, the next day, place a bet that the market will do down and, when it does, make money that way. For the rest of, well.... I've watched my 401(k) lose $5000 this year but, since I am a young guy, I'm hoping that it will recover some time in the next 30 years since it's the only thing I can count on when I retire. 07:32, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Only the working class can have legitimacy in a revolution. And there isn't much of a working class in the US, since we outsourced so much of it.  Change will come from another Cesar Chavez, not an art major with dreadlocks who's only ever worked at Starbucks.  Anything other than a proletarian uprising will just be a bourgeois revolution and will solve nothing except granting some extra freedoms to those slightly-less-than-privileged groups (like the American Revolution only helped merchants, and the French Revolution only helped bureaucrats and lesser nobles).
 * Besides, my main complaint when I started this topic was that they were really, really, filthy. Don't hold a protest if you can't plan a decent place to shit first.  I mean, really, that's just gross.  People are walking into stores with bags of human waste asking for them to be disposed of.  There's no reason you can't save the world and have proper hygiene.--  18:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Bullshit. Robespierre was a lawyer. Jean Bailly was an astronomer. Adams was a lawyer. Jefferson a planter. Lenin an intellectual. None exactly the "working class" type.
 * 2) I'm sure all protesters throughout history have had stunningly good hygiene.
 * ArchieGoodwin (talk) 18:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Apart from Lenin, those revolutionaries were included the statement Anything other than a proletarian uprising will just be a bourgeois revolution and will solve nothing except granting some extra freedoms to those slightly-less-than-privileged groups (like the American Revolution only helped merchants, and the French Revolution only helped bureaucrats and lesser nobles). But it's a wall of text, I don't fault you (at least you didn't mention Simon Bolivar- that also would have fit in to my statement).  As for Lenin, the lot of the working man may have improved but the Soviet swiftly turned into the nomenklatura.  Perhaps if this revolution had been led by workers instead of lawyers (not that Lenin ever even practiced as a lawyer) and had the Soviet been democratic instead of oligarchic the USSR would not have turned into the dismal nightmare strawmanned to death by libertarians today.--  18:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * China or Cambodia or North Korea or Cuba... it seems every "workers paradise" isn't. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 19:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Pol Pot and Mao were both well-off intellectuals with no interest in creating a democracy.  Besides, I didn't say a worker's uprising would always produce a better society.  I just said that the only way of creating a better society would be to eliminate false consciousness (I didn't actually say that, but I should have, because it makes more sense that way)--  19:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So, can you give me an example of such a society? ArchieGoodwin (talk) 21:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Was I supposed to?  Are you looking for a historical example or a hypothetical one?  I can give you a million hypothetical examples, if you'd like--  21:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A historical example if you please. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 01:58, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot provide you with a historical example. There is no historical example.  There is no historical precedent.  If you'd like a pre-made hypothetical example, read Utopia by Thomas Moore and scratch out all the bits about humiliating criminals and adulterers.  You should probably scratch out more stuff, but it's been a while since I read it.--  02:03, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So you've got nothing. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 02:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought you knew that. Communism has always been theoretical, according to Marx the final culmination of a proletarian revolution where everybody works for the whole and resources are abundant.  Personally I disagree with a few of his ideas (like how he believes that once communism is achieved work becomes pleasurable, akin to leisure), but on the whole his theory of labor and his take on history seem correct.  --  02:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Despite no examples of said revolutions whatsoever, and every attempt at such resulting in an authoritarian state. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 02:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like to think that I already adequately explained myself but I get this all the time so I know there's little point in pressing the issue. Re-read what I wrote if you want a response.  Every time I give my spiel I always take the time to preempt points I commonly face and I'm pretty sure I did so this time as well.--  02:20, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. You haven't addressed anything. "Only the working class can have legitimacy in a revolution" Why? "Change will come from another Cesar Chavez, not an art major with dreadlocks who's only ever worked at Starbucks." Again, how do you know? You state that a bourgeois revolution would solve nothing, yet you have lived in two societies created by bourgeois revolutions that are radically different from their times under monarchies. ArchieGoodwin (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine. I didn't.  But the reason Western society is so different now than it was under monarchy is the industrial revolution, which had no issues happening under a monarchy either.  Following that labor became organized and demanded higher standards.  As a result the large part of "blue collar" jobs were moved to places where the workers could not afford to organize, and when they tried to organize were brutally suppressed by CIA installed juntas.  So I might live in a mighty fine society, but only because I'm riding the backs of third world workers.  We do not have legitimacy protesting because we are part of the problem.  We are the oppressors.  Occupy Wall Street was in large part propagated by the internet and television, all courtesy of underpaid Chinese people.  --  02:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

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Short Brx: OWS sucks 'cuz they smell like dirty hippies...and kids are starving in Africa! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You nailed it-- 03:04, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You realize he's making fun of you. 12:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I do. I'm playing along and you know what, that isn't that far from what I was saying.  Of course I did say it better but the argument was going nowhere so I'll take Nebby's humorous summary any day.--  18:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Whole swathes of human rights are negated by the mere existence of starving people" has always been a terrible ethical argument.  18:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that isn't quite what I said but I figured it best to leave it at Nebuchadnezzar's summary-- 19:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No it's not. --Mack Coster (talk) 11:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Solar system has a brown dwarf just past Pluto
Has anybody heard of this in a real news or science media ? the object is referred to as C1.9 but tha gets me a NASA site saying supernova remnant. Its all over the odder web sites but tied in of course with Nemesis, Nebiru and Planet X. Hamster (talk) 04:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I follow astronomy quite closely and yeah it's complete bullshit. ONE / TALK 10:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've heard of it. Not a massively convincing theory because if there was a brown dwarf out there we'd be able to spot the gravitational discrepancy easily. The anomalies we are aware of require a mass a mere fraction the size of a frigging brown dwarf to explain. But it is one of those reasonably legitimate theories for what Planet X (int he non-conspiracy sense) is, it's just that with Pluto in place and a few other measurements, we don't need anything that big. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll coax your fiddle! 10:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You mean wp:Supernova remnant G1.9+0.3? It's on my To Do list, along with all things Planet X and the completion of the Comet Elenin article (there are a few amusing tidbits that we haven't covered yet). I still don't have much free time, though.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:02, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember reading in the past a story by Asimov (Nemesis), where the first colony to discover hyper-drive went there, so the concept must be pretty old. Sen (talk) 15:03, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This would be nemesis, one of the theories as to why stuff rains in every so often from out there and caused extinctions. Read about it here!--137.48.201.75 (talk) 17:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Pure coincidence?
While stalking Dara Obriain on Twitter, I came across this guy. Orcus is apparently a trans-neptunian dwarf planet. This guy's going all out astrologising it. Scream!! (talk) 08:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Got a spare half-a-million?
Why not build a total immersion 360 degree FPS game with force-feedback paintball guns? Do forgive The Gadget Show, though, it's pretty much the bastard offspring of Blue Peter and Top Gear. <font color="#CC0000" size="3">ADK <font color=#330033>...I'll pilot your kite! 17:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't get this stuff. Same as with the Wii.  When I play video-games, a contributing factor to my enjoyment is that I get to sit on my ass.  --  19:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding when people try to do immersion. What you ideally want, as a player, is a game where your intentions are translated into action without an intermediary. It takes us many years of full-time learning to do this somewhat successfully with our own bodies, so it's a big ask for a video game to have you control a US marine, a turbo-boosted blue hedgehog or an entire army of insect-like aliens just as naturally. The current generation of "immersive" technologies aren't even trying to do this better, instead they're all about making it easy to "get it", like a movie where the protagonist stops to tell the audience what's going on, in case they can't figure it out for themselves. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 11:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Haven't you seen the documentary Avatar? Ajkgordon (talk) 12:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Pshh for a mere billions and billions the Iraq / Afghanistan war is the ultimate immersion FPS, I just hate that there are no extra lives or save points. TheCheatI run on alcohol 15:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

What I want to say to a whole fuckload of people today - a few around here, specifically
(sorry it's the song only, don't think they have a vid of it) GET OVER IT "victim of this, victim of that - your momma's too thin and your daddy's too fat - get over it"
 * A relevant term I've seen mutiple times in the liberal/feminist blogosphere: "oppression olympics".  23:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * is that "who is the most oppressed?" game? --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 23:14, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup.  23:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Let's start from the beginning. Who is abusively blocking who?-- 23:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's make every thread on every page of the wiki relevant to some tedious shitstorm in a teacup. 23:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * "always running, and crying, and pitching a fit - get over it, get over it". sings happily....--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 23:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, the irony. 12:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Help! Help! I'm being repressed! TheCheatI run on alcohol 15:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Legal/civics question
I am a citizen of another country living temporarily in the US. My question: Can I sign petitions to Congress/State Legislature/etc? I'm not asking "will I get in trouble somehow?" What I've always assumed is that as a non-citizen, my signature is of no value on a petition to the government, and might even harm the effort in that it would give the appearance that they were trying to pad the count. Any ideas? B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 23:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Generally, no. That's governed by state law, so I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't do it if I were you.  I don't sign petitions in Korea or NZ, for example, because I'm American living there temporarily.-- 23:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

It depends on what kind of petition you are talking about. Anything formal (to get a ballot issue on the ballot; to initiate a recall, etc) you not only need to be a citizen, but you need to be registered to vote. But teh kinds of petitiosn like "occupy wall street", you can legally sign, and as a resident of an area, by law, the congress people ARE STILL YOUR CONGRESMEN. so if you have an issue, you have every legal right to ask them to intervene. They are also supposed to represent your views, so of course you have the legal right to tell them what your views are. The only thing limited is anythign that will put issues onto a ballot. "hope that helped". --<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 23:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Enormously. Thanks. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 23:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ps PS a resident is defined as someone living or working in the same state for 30 or more days. Students are generally residents, as are migrant laborers, and employees of foreign countries who live in an appartment (vs. a hotel).  If you directly or indirectly pay property tax. ( always make mistakes when i edit conflict)--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 23:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The deal whereby a congress critter is your "representative", even though you didn't and can't vote for them, and even though in practice they'd screw you over in a heartbeat to stay in their job, is pretty much exactly the system that the Americans pretended they were rebelling against in the War of Independence. Except that they had local autonomy and you don't. It's worth bringing this up at every possible opportunity to see the brighter ones blush. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 11:27, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for that insight. But the fact is, your congressional House rep does a lot more than vote (stupid as that vote is).  This is the system inacted to help individuals interact with their red tap enthralled government.  People who have troubles with the federal tax system, people who have immigration issues, people who have problems with a federal employer, people who live on federal land, anything that directly involves an individual and the govt at large is necessarily provided with aide and assistance through their House rep.  Even non citizens.  I'm not sure why not yet becoming a citizen is the same as "the war of Independence".  But my guess is, that's because you have no idea of the jobs that are done in the name of your Rep.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 12:34, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The rebel colonists rejected the British parliament's assertion that they were "represented" in parliament despite not having a vote. It's a convention that continues in Britain to this day: a baby, a person convicted of electoral fraud, or a foreigner all are considered to have "representation" in this way despite not being allowed to vote. The rebels fought a war over this... and then instituted exactly the same system they'd rejected, keeping their fledgling democracy strictly under the control of rich white men who swore allegiance to the new republic but asserting that everybody else was being "represented" as we've seen in this thread. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ARe you actually serious about this? You think a system should include the votes of babies, and non citizens?  Of those who are convicted of lying at election time?  or are you just a troll?  Systems of representation are collective.  There are guidelines about who gets to vote (hopefully, fairly liberal, we keep adding more classes who have a right to vote), and guidelines about what behaviors will lose you that right to vote.  Strange conversation to be had on election day. I've been here since 6 am, and will be here till well over midnight dealing with the elections.  shrugs.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 13:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think babies should vote. I'm not sure what's so hard to figure out about this. I'm calling the American War of Independence bullshit. The justification for starting a war was the conviction that Americans weren't represented in the British parliament, because they didn't get to vote for MPs although parliament argued that even people who can't vote are represented. The rebels had their war, won, and the system they put in place is exactly the same, and makes the same argument. The only thing that really changed was the names of the white men running everything. And don't think this is just a modern perspective. The contemporary British anti-revolutionary propaganda spells it out by asking how the "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" promised by the revolutionaries impacts on the colonies' ownership of slaves. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 18:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So you are saying that Americans don't get to vote, and that our current president is white. Gotcha.  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 18:26, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, he's half white. My people are very proud. Doctor Dark (talk) 00:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I have no desire to vote in the US, as I am here for the short haul and am not invested in the long-term future of the country or the community in which I live. That said, there are issues that effect me while I'm living here and I am curious about how involved a non-citizen can get. Hence my question about petitions. In no way do I feel unjustly unrepresented--I came here knowing that was the deal. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 15:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

sanctity of marraige
so someone named kim kardassian (isn't that a Star Trec character?) married some guy for money, and "it's sad to see them divorce" says USA today writer (ok, you fucking care, why??). the kicker, it was done to scam for money, and lasted 72 days. That is sacred and right. Two men living together for 40 years is a travesty to the sanctity of marriage. I dn't fucking get this country.--<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 00:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Cardassians are the militant lizardesque people. Tytalk 00:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So you are saying she's NOT a militant lizard person? --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 00:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Google gives me a mess of results. Some celebrity or somesuch. Tytalk 00:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I hear ya sister. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll fumble your diet pill! 00:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * To be fair, it's not surprising that Cardassians are marrying for money after the tremendous losses they suffered during the Dominion war. X Stickman (talk) 01:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

The Kardashians: the main reason why socialist parties still exist. Seriously, you're insanely rich because you gave a blowjob and your father got OJ out of prison?

Suddenly I don't mind Justin Bieber being our national disgrace. Osaka Sun (talk) 01:59, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The Kardashians: the best excuse the Ottomans have for the Great Calamity. DickTurpis (talk) 02:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. Hard to believe that a thread that was already about Kim Kardashian could be dragged so much lower.-- 10:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I only used the b-word... Osaka Sun (talk) 14:27, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "I don't fucking get this country." You've come to the wrong place if you're looking for internally consistent logic. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 15:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Neb, I was born here. May explain my more illogical, erratic editing behaviors.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 16:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I am proud to say I have zero idea who the Kardashians are. (The fact I generally view reality TV with contempt helps.) MDB (talk) 15:27, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Star Trek is a reality TV show?--BobSpring is sprung! 07:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course it is. If you'll excuse me, there's a Klingon off my starboard bow. MDB (talk) 13:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Here, have a tissue. 13:48, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

To be fair, people on the right aren't particularly fond of their marriage either. And did you guys hear what Ann Coulter said? "Kim Kardashian has proven that once you go half black, you can go back." I guess she needed to stir some more shit so her books would sell better. --. 20:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Europe bailout explained at last
In animation here.--BobSpring is sprung! 08:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We are so fucked. Osaka Sun (talk) 14:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * FFS, Europe. Ajkgordon (talk) 14:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * With the Greeks now proposing to put the whole thing to a referendum, it's starting to look like the End of the World as we Know It. (Again.)--BobSpring is sprung! 14:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * May be moot as it looks like the government is on the point of collapse. Of course the Greek opposition position is that they will "renegotiate" the whole agreement - so it's not much better/different than/to a referendum.--BobSpring is sprung! 14:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Stock markets are going crazy anyway. The referendum's impact has begun before anything's even started. Osaka Sun (talk) 14:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure a referendum would make much of a difference. The whole "agreement" is built on sand anyway. The markets all know it but have just been riding the ripple of semi-optimism. The referendum announcement just makes the markets go "Ah, fuck it" and break to minimise losses. Typical technocrat rubbish from Brussels from people living in a bubble of bureaucracy, elitism and gold-plated pensions. Ajkgordon (talk) 14:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Braaaaains...braaaaaaaaaains.... Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 15:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And it had to be announced on Halloween. Osaka Sun (talk) 15:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Capitalism is a sandcastle. It's made out of sand/capital, water/time and only stand as long as there's good weather/positive atmosphere. Built it with wood! -- 15:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it has little to do with capitalism. They lied about their creditworthiness, went on a spending spree, and now when they have to pay up the people are fervently protesting. On one hand, they can be angry at their irresponsible leaders, but on the other, they brought this upon themselves with widespread tax evasion. --Tweenk (talk) 02:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I see the greed that drove them to do stuff like that as an inherent part of the system. You don't. I'm fine with that. -- 17:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

The Asylum
Hot on the heels of the awful Battle: Los Angeles, comes the Asylum's even worse Battle of Los Angeles. A part of me wants to watch this, but fortunately the remaining 99.9% remembers the monstrosity that was 2012 Ice Age, so I'll be staying far, far away. At least the reviews are up to Asylum standards. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  15:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * One of the images of it seems to be a of a chick in leather walking nonchalantly away from an explosion with a large sword strapped to her back. How could this not be the most awesome thing ever? Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll coach your lisp! 15:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You mean you didn't see Sucker Punch? Sailor-suit clad maidens with swords and machine guns, mecha, dragons and steampunk Germans. Awesome doesn't come in bigger doses. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  15:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Trailer is... well, it's The Asylum, what the fuck do you expect? That part with the planes on the ground a la Independence Day is possibly the worst explosion FX I have seen. These guys need to watch some Video Copilot, stat. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll assassinate your boozehound! 15:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute, you mean this Asylum?
 * Osaka Sun (talk) 15:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "possibly the worst explosion FX I have seen." Often, trailers use rough-cuts where the FX have yet to be fully developed. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 15:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Except this is The Asylum, they genuinely don't give a shit. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll plagiarize your penguin! 16:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In the sequel to their ripoff of War of the Worlds (yes, they made a War of the Worlds 2), the surviving humans find an airfield full of apparently perfectly working jets and use them to fly through space and bomb mars. Yes, not only did they copy Battlefield Earth, they managed to make it more stupid. X Stickman (talk) 16:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Bleh Megapiranha Tytalk 16:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I wish there was a marathon of these movies so I could laugh all day. Osaka Sun (talk) 17:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I bet you'd gouge your eyes out and headdesk yourself to death, halfway through the 2nd movie. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  17:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Like this. [[File:Tuzki-eyestab.gif‎ ]]--Dumpling (talk) 07:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Dumpling, that must be the most disturbing emoticon thingy I've ever seen. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  14:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Teehee! You said it. I just had a emoticon that happened to do just that. Actually, there's lots more. But I only summon them when the occasion rises for it.--Dumpling (talk) 19:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As they say, it's so bad it's good.
 * As they say, it's so bad it's good.


 * A year ago my father rented out Transmorphers for my brother to watch, and once he realized what happened we all decided to sit through the rest of the movie for the lulz. Good times. Osaka Sun (talk) 00:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Transmorphers manages to take a sexually charged scene in which women in skimpy clothing have a catfight and make it the most boring scene in the entire film. That is when I realised that The Asylum are actually some kind of wizards of crap. X Stickman (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I know some guys with Transmorphers 2, thought they still can't remember why they have it. I smell a drinking game coming on! Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll edit your card game! 17:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've had a long-held ideal to watch all the Alan Smithee movies one day (so far only managed Hellraiser 4). I'm thinking an Asylum festival might actually top that for sheer awfulness... --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  17:17, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

My insanely Hot acquaintance on epic mealtime.
Bacon Bikini, I just want to eat it right off of her --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 14:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, steak with mushrooms and mustard wrapped in bacon and pastry. First thing I've ever seen on EMT that I could envision actually eating. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll negate your dog! 15:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Which is surprising. I always feel a bit queasy after watching EMT.--Dumpling (talk) 07:17, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of people with massive, titanium balls...
Accompanying story --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  16:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Aww, no Thunderbirds and elevator cars! Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll duel your juice! 17:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Saturation coverage event in Poland. The pilot became something of a national hero and inspired a saying "Lataj jak orzeł, ląduj jak Wrona" (Fly like an eagle, land like a crow - Wrona is also the pilot's surname). There is also a more RW-relevant twist: a Catholic priest was onboard and was carrying a relic of John Paul II. Some right wing nuts said that it wasn't the pilot who saved them, it was the Blessed Pope John Paul II! Apparently, people from Decapitated, a death metal band, were also on the plane - maybe that's why the landing gear failed in the first place! --Tweenk (talk) 19:45, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Dumbest pejorative nickname for the Republicans ever I just encountered on a comment board
Reboobliclowns. I mean, these sorts of things are usually pretty silly in the first place, but this one is particularly egregious.-- 18:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Shut up. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 18:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well this is a productive discussion--Tiberius Gracchus.jpg. 20:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Late Halloween humor
Sexy...Emma Goldman? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 18:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The party I went to had a sexy Marie Delphine LaLaurie and sexy Elizabeth Báthory. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll confuddle your suicidal lemming! 21:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to picture a sexy Emma Goldman. I'm not succeeding. MDB (talk) 12:29, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But that's your fault, right? Our sexual preferences are a matter of choice, I'm sure CP taught me that. One of my friends went as St Agatha. I'm sure that could be sexy if you get off on disfigurement/ mutilation. All I know is her breasts were delicious, some fellow party-goers didn't even wait for a spoon. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 15:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Whine, Bitch, and Moan
God help you if you are stupid. it's not my fucking fault! We tried, we really tried to make it easy to vote. We put a BRIGHT RED piece of paper with your ballots that said "If you received this letter, you must include a copy of your driver's license". RED, with a stamp on the outside of the envelope saying "did you remember your ID?" and yet of all the "inactive" voters we sent out to (over 200) only 3 returned a photocopy of an ID. AND THESE PEOPLE ARE VOTING (or not, in this case) FOR YOUR LAWS!!!!! (done, sorry)--<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 23:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to make a snide remark that you voted twice in the latest Nx cooping, but now I see somebody else allready removed it. still feels like a snide remark... -- 23:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. yeah, from July to Nov 5, i don't really take internet voting all the seriously, since i'm already beating my head in with real world voters who are doing real world stupidity.  you think we are bad??? I'm not fucking kiding, try dealing with state wide elections.  it's... well... terrifying that humans are so dense.  I feel so bad for "IT" type people, "did you try turning it off and on again".  "is it plugged in?"  ;-)  --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 23:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'm of the opinion that (registering) to vote should require a miniscule bit of intelligence. It stops the dumbest layer of society from actually influencing politics. ONE / TALK 16:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As someone who prefers to have an intelligent electorate I can empathise with your view but Mrs. K., who has an M.A. and is by no means stupid, is an absolute shocker to when it comes to filling out forms. 17:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am of the opinion that before somebody is given the right to vote (no matter if citizen of that country or not) he/she should proof via a test that 1) you understand how to register, 2) you understand how to vote and 3) you should understand how the political system in your country works. Think about it, to let somebody drive a car we let him/her take a test, but somebody is allowed to vote for an office that has the power to trigger the end of civilization by pressing a red button without prior test? That's insane. -- 17:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, bring back the "Eddikashun qualifukashuns." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You can call it a political literacy test and I'll still be for it. -- 17:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Put that way, it's quite a convincing argument that universal-suffrage democracy is a potentially bad thing. But the point is that if you only allow a minority to be in control, even if it's a minority that passes a competency test, you have only those people making decisions. Those people are then free to enact decisions to the detriment of those who can't make the decisions - you can say 100% of voters agree on this action, but this doesn't matter if only 10% of people can vote and the remaining 90% would be badly affected. Currently we're bitching about politicians cutting taxes for the rich and for corporations, in a world where they rule, that isn't a problem for them! Though you still get this problem regardless of how many people are allowed to vote. Arizon's racial profiling laws to capture and interrogate illegal immigrants are supported by 90% of the people, but 90% of the people are white and so would never by definition be affected negatively by the law or be caught. Tyranny of the majority! Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll analyse your octohedron! 17:55, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Best summed up in the scene from Inherit the Wind where the angry mob is marching outside of the hotel and the Mencken stand-n remarks: "Those are the boobs that make our laws. It's a democratic process." And the Darrow stand-in replies: "I suppose you have something better to suggest." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As much as I whine and moan, I actually work quite hard to insure that anyone who wants to vote, and is legally eligible to vote, can vote. I've helped draft the law in colorado that defines homeless as legal voters, and explains how they can register, I've drafted legislation at several county wide areas to either provide polling places or county run (non-party) van services to the large retirement communites in the colorado area; helped push to make dual lanugage ballots avaliable, etc.  Just cause i think everyone should have the right to vote, even if they are only voting "casue he's black" or "cause she is a woman".   BUT that said, i wish more people cared more and tried to learn about the system more.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 18:15, 2 November 2011 (UTC) (edit con)
 * If you make your political system so complex that only a minority can pass a test that is mostly concerned with testing if you understand it, you definitely should use a different system. I think that nobody is too stupid to understand how any political system we have nowadays works. Thinking back to my years in school, we had tests about how to vote, how the German system works and how the EU works. All this was in "Hauptschule". If we can teach it in a school we can test it. On the other hand, there probably would be percentage that doesn't care enough to take the test, well, those don't care enough to spend the time to earn that right to vote: an nothing was lost. And just to be safe that one has time, you can introduce it as test taken in school days or later if wanted later (for example, everybody born after the year 2000 has to take such a test before being allowed to participate in any election) To bring up another form of tests: nationalization tests are anice one. So you grant an immigrant a whole bunch of rights, but you always also ask about the political system of the country before you let them influence that system on a national level (I say national level because within the EU, EU citizens are allowed to vote and get elected on municipital level even if they aren't citizens of that country). I also want to stress that such a test would not consider a persons skin color, sex, religion, IQ, genes or anything else shallow of such form. It would be a … "voter's license". -- 18:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Lying is wrong
The alt text on this xkcd strip is pretty apt. <font color=#330033>...I'll plagiarize your liquid goo! 01:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not just the alt-text - the whole comic's a pretty good allegory of homeopathy. It took me a while to realise though (and it looks like Limerixkcd missed the point completely).-- 12:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Life imitates art
I've heard of churches holding "Hell Houses", but this is the first time I've heard of one just presenting it as a traditional haunted house and not letting people leave.

Well, the first time I've heard of a real church doing it. It's been done in web comics.


 * Strip one.
 * Strip two.
 * Strip three.
 * Strip four.
 * Strip five.
 * Strip six.
 * Strip seven.
 * Strip eight.
 * Conclusion.

MDB (talk) 12:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * "There was a young lady lying on a gurney, and two nurses. And one of the nurses was reaching into the lady and pulling out a bunch of gunk, and throwing it on the floor," Funny they should show that, once they've finally made abortion illegal and then it only gets performed in back alleys by desperate women, that'll be exactly how it happens. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll insult your xylophone! 12:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * They need to show god, randomly metting out the 9 of 10 fertalized eggs that he will deem worthy of death. that's hell, if you want to try to have a baby, anyhow.[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 18:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just noticed that the terrorists in Part Five are actually blacked up. *Pfft*. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll subpoena your communist! 18:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

The dangers of kneejerk contrarianism
Science journalist Matt Ridley has an amusingly stupid climate denial Gish Gallop up on Jo Nova's blog. I enjoyed his earlier Nature via Nurture (I think it's published under the name of The Agile Gene these days), but his latest appears to be Lomborg-lite. Yet another disappointment from the world of science journalism. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear
"Strongly religious" RE teacher in a Catholic school gets depressed when an affair she was having is broken off, and so decides to send 205 sexually explicit text messages to a teenage pupil. <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's my favourite tabloid label yet. Bolton pupil sex text teacher. ONE / TALK 11:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm more than sure this is not actually the case, but why does it always seem to be the religious and righteous who fail so hard. (see current GOP debacle) --[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 14:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I always figured it was just me noticing it more rather than there actually being more conservatives/religious folk (in various forms) being assholes than non-conservatives/religious folk. I considered starting a list that followed every single sex accusation going (paedophilia charges, in-the-closet stuff and so on) and seeing just how many of them are conservatives or priests and so on. But then I remembered that I'm really lazy. X Stickman (talk) 15:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember coming across a website that was dedicated to documenting sexual offences of those of a religious persuasion, but I can't remember where it was. However, TOW has this and I discovered a relevant Australian site. 17:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Dan Savage has a running Youth Pastor Watch on his blog.  20:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hitler was a True Christian
Good post from PZ, refuting the 'Darwin caused Hitler' claptrap. Ah, to be able to debate Ken face-to-face about this. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  13:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, he gives them too much credit. Darwin used the terminology of his day when talking about the "savages," but he was also an abolitionist and Descent of Man refuted the polygenism that underpinned theories of "scientific racism". Abe Lincoln was probably more racist than Darwin. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't we just settle with "Hitler was an evil jackass, whose ideology was vile, and practitioners of it today are very obvious?" Let's quit wheel warring over whether Hitler was a theist or not.  Hitler was a genocidal jerkwad and few people believing in things such as evolution or god today would be willing to create death factories to more efficiently kill people you don't like.--Tiberius Gracchus.jpg. 20:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's totally not the point. We want to demonise our opponents, and we do that by associating them with people who have been deemed by history to be evil!! Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>pathetic 20:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's thew problem with our society. It's not enough that the other side be incorrect or misguided, they have to be fundamentally evil, too--Tiberius Gracchus.jpg. 20:43, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, some of Hitler's real inspirations were John A. MacDonald and Duncan Campbell Scott, politicians who managed to make eugenics (including death camps such as the one in Brantford) official policy in Canada for over 75 years, in a deal with the Church of England. I'm not surprised that a true christian would to these things given that it was church policy at the time. --128.100.154.55 (talk) 18:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Human centipede as wikipedia FA for the 31st
quite an interesting/wtf argument that such an article shouldn't be a FA on the MP. Basic argument by the original guy: IT will get Wikipedia blocked from some schools, which means Wikipedia won't be used as a source (what schools let you do that...?) and therefor the project will die! --il&#39;Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 23:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't they feature some old scientist, architecture or a dead king like they usually do?-- 23:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, they already featured Gropecunt Lane - David Gerard (talk) 12:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Uncle Ed regrets one of his WP stubs
Eight years too late, apparently. Godspeed (talk) 15:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * DENIED! Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>moral 17:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The original version is classic Poor. 21:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * hahahahaha 22:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Greek PM considers abandoning referendum plans
Linky. So what now? Osaka Sun (talk) 16:02, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The Mayans were right. Ajkgordon (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've always thought the end of the world would be a little more hardcore than extreme skintness.AMassiveGay (talk) 18:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if you add that plus an election where the repuks win in the states, 2012 really could be doomsday. at least for the two legged, not uber duber rich animals on the planet.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 18:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Easily amused....
Go to Google, and type in 'do a barrel roll'. --Dumpling (talk) 18:28, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Can tell who you're following on twitter. Scream!! (talk) 18:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a twitter? --Dumpling (talk) 19:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ben Goldacre, see also this for some real "vestibular comedy". Scream!! (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Heard of it, doesn't work for me. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>postate 18:30, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Tilt" does, though. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>postate 18:30, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As does do a barrel role. Tytalk 18:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's because Skynet Google is clever and automatically replaces it. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>gnostic 18:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh are you still plodding along with Opera? 18:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Does not work in Konqueror. 20:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So much better by a long shot Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral 21:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hee!
Just Hee! Scream!! (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL.--Dumpling (talk) 19:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

WIGO Order
Not that I'm complaining, but did we change the order of the WIGOs for some reason? WIGO CP always used to be first for me and now WIGO World is first. Not that I particularly mind, but is there any reason for this? Also sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this up. Protoman (talk) 21:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Look slightly up the page. Тy talk 21:11, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just noticed that after I posted this, I was about to delete it in fact but then you posted. I feel kind of stupid now. Protoman (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Does Armondikov get some sort of cash prize for "narrowest time frame between predicting the predictable and people being predictable"? 21:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If I could make money out of predicting the behaviour of RWians, I would. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 21:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I owe ADK at least 3 drinks. Тy talk 21:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't we all?  21:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that time I saved the world and all that. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 23:12, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Logic and reason refuted! Suck it, atheists!
Now that I have your attention, I finally got around to finishing the the sequel to an essay nobody asked for I was sitting on for a while. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, so much to gorram read!! Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>postate 23:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Mystery object
Many years ago, while strolling through the deserts of north-eastern Saudi Arabia, I discovered a stone disc with a perfectly round hole in the centre (see picture). It is about 5 mm thick and the grid squares are 5mm. Does anyone have any idea what it might have been used for? I should mention that my colleagues often found flint arrowheads or pieces of turquoise jewellery in the same area so I assume that it is at least 3000 years old. 13:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's bit far from Yap to be a Rai. Still I'm going to guess currency because it's obviously man-made yet it doesn't seem inherently either useful or beautiful, although I suppose that might just be a consequence of age. When you say "perfectly round" how carefully have you measured? The outer edges suggest it was constructed without knowledge of / access to a sensible process for making things exactly round. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 15:09, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * While the outside is crudely round the inner hole could almost have been drilled; which it probably was in some way. And rai stones are a bit bigger than the 4 cm diameter of this object. 15:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Most Rai stones are far bigger, but not all. However all Rai are made out of a very different stone, so I wasn't seriously suggesting that some Yapese got lost in a Saudi desert. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 11:36, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Money. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 15:11, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's what you did 3000 years ago, in the middle of a desert, with no internet, books, tv, minecraft, war or girlfriend, to pass the afternoon. Sen (talk) 15:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Pendant? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 15:40, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A washer or spacer? Ajkgordon (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you people deliberately obtuse? It's obviously a washer used in the riveting of the Ark. DickTurpis (talk) 18:42, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When I first saw it, I thought "grinding stone", but the size is too small. Toy grindstone?--ZooGuard (talk) 20:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I Question your assumption of Age. In part because the fact that it was found with stone arrowheads - themselves of presumably Indeterminate age - does not, of itself, Bequeath that age on this Artefact; and in part because the I feel that the Associated Grid is too mathematically Perfect for such Antiquity.  It would almost seem an Hybrid Object.--Tolerance (talk) 21:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Spindle whorl. 68.116.168.154 (talk) 03:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Give the BoN a Bonus. Of course that's what it is. Scream!! (talk) 03:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See here. 68.116.168.154 (talk) 13:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for that. 07:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

The Daily Show takes on Big Science
Just like Galileo... Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you ever see the Brass Eye episode on Science? Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll regurgitate your infinity! 18:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. I'm guessing I should? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's like taking that segment and expanding it into a half hour programme on media sensationalism. Though it's a bit older, satirists seem to get it easy these days. Back then, you had to be quite clever and subtle to dupe people into saying weird things on television, now you just say "so scientists reviewing other scientists work is like that only qualified surgeons can do surgery?" and they reply "EXACTLY" because they do actually believe that. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll pass your glucose! 18:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Was teh chick in the Daily Show for real? or was she in on it?  i don't know the pundit, so couldn't tell if this was a look-a-like or not.--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 18:28, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Either that bit was edited or she was in on it. Please God, let that be so. The alternative is too tragic. Ajkgordon (talk) 20:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, there's some clever cutting between shots and they'd certainly not be beyond that sort of thing, but if they did they might be liable for some considerable legal action over misrepresentation. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>gnostic 20:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Come on people, she's obviously an actor & a hammy one at that.  23:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * She has a website. Either it's real or a lot of work for one skit. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 23:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Watch one of the videos on that site, then watch the Daily show clip. It's somebody spoofing her rather than the same person.  00:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * TDS certainly uses heavily edited interviews and they're usually single-camera, but that was indeed the same woman, believe it or not. 13:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Dooms day prediction
I didn't feel like being productive today so: the world is going to end tomorrow. Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not again!? 19:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You mean I'm spending my last day on earth, recounting ballots?  why am i not drunk on good wine and chocolat?--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 19:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * (by the way, do we have to deal with teh 2012 thing the ENTIRE year, or is it only the last few months of 2012.)--[[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 19:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the world going to end before 10:30 GMT tomorrow? 'Cause it would save me having to attend a meeting I really don't want to go to.  19:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Would be timed nicely for me too. I have Japanese test I really don't wanna take. -- 19:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I will be very pissed off if the world ends tomorrow, I've got tickets to see Flogging Molly. 14:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * At the moment I am basing the countdown timer on ET, think I should localize it to the visitors time zone? Tmtoulouse (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you could, but there's something nicely absurd about assuming the world is not only going to end on schedule but also by a specific time zone. Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>...I'll sniff your lockpick! 20:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yah, and absurdity is the theme. Tmtoulouse (talk) 20:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Now if only the "where'd you get the data from" linked to relevant RW articles... Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>postate 20:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Baby steps! Tmtoulouse (talk) 20:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * the official end of the world in 2012 has it in december about the 21st. or maybe march or september. so no christmas in 2012, plan accordingly. Since I do not believe in the end of the world you can leave me all your stuff if you want. Hamster (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * if anyone lives in Denver, Co could you check on the underground pens run by the reptilians at the airport ? I want to know if they are nice and have a cd/dvd player or should I pack one myself for the coming roundup. Hamster (talk) 20:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Went through the airport several times in the past couple weeks and made close observations. You'll definitely need a DVD player, but electricity is generated by those little pinweels that spin when the trains go through so you needn't worry about that. Doctor Dark (talk) 04:01, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahem, "calm" not "calmn". Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>theist 13:28, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Double ahem. "sheer" not "shear" --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  13:33, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oy, toys come first then that whole spelling ,grammar syntax crap. Once I get the working field equations streaming we can talk spelling. Tmtoulouse (talk) 14:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And white text on black methinks. I'm all for it looking crap but with that picture I think it could be much better. Perhaps even red blinking text for the title! Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>postate 17:12, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And an auto-playing MIDI file of the Imperial March!!! 18:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

It’s here. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Converting PAL dvds
My step mother is in love with Andre Rieu, who just released a new DVD, but it's encoded for Europe. We can deregion her DVD player, but my question is about PAL. Does anyone know if there's a way to rip a DVD and reburn it so it will play in a non PAL format? Our players at the house do PAL, but she's never played anything more exotic than An American in Paris, so her system isn't likely compatible. I figured one of you might be techie enough to know if it's even possible to rip such a DVD then reburn it onto a US system.<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 20:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Get a multi-regional DVD player, don't bother ripping.--Tiberius Gracchus.jpg. 20:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * check HERE You have Pal to ntsc conversion and framerate to fix . I usually just paly dvds on my computer and the player handles either format Hamster (talk) 21:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * [ec] Quick googling brought me to this guide. It seems possible, but non-trivial (though the guide may be outdated - maybe there's an all-in-one easy solution in Hamster's link). If she got a PC, I think that should play both PAL and NTSC just fine (though you might have to rip and re-burn it as a region-free version). --Sid (talk) 21:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If she's only going to watch it once or twice, lend her one of your multi-format players. Otherwise get a new multi-format multi-region player. They're not very expensive. Ajkgordon (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, my parents got one for 50 USD, so they could watch foreign films.--Tiberius Gracchus.jpg. 21:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I think the bigger problem here is Andre Rieu.B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 15:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, so I know this is crazy but, for a friend whom I couldn't get a multi region DVD player to, I ended up converting the DVD to mp4 format and then converting it back again. The loss of quality isn't that bad. Bad Faith (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * She's decided she's going to learn dutch, just cause of Rieu. I mean, she's going on 70.  I felt that way when i was 13.  But hey, to each his own.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 15:21, 3 November 2011 (UTC)  And BF, that' kinda what i was hoping I could do.  rip it, convert it with software, and burn it.  She's not overly technical, so explaining that you can watch this on your pouter, but not your TV, or with that player but not this one is a headache.  Thanks all!
 * Jeez the one time I can actually be of use and I am late. I would suggest using DVD decrypter to rip the files to your drive as MPGs or VOBs (Use IFO mode and make sure file splitting is set to 'none' in options). Then use FFMPEG (ffmpeg -i myfile.mpg -target ntsc-dvd -b 6000K -ab 128K output.mpg ) or (ffmpeg -i myfile.mpg -target ntsc-dvd -b 6000K -acodec copy output.mpg) if you want to try to avoid reencoding the audio. Then use DVDAuthor (just use one of the GUIs for it) to build a DVD image and burn using imgbrn. This is a more technical way, but it is the tools I use at my work. Feel free to chat in my user page for more help if you try this :). TheCheatI run on alcohol 16:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be quicker to learn Dutch. Ajkgordon (talk) 17:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Rome wasn't built in a day, and open source utilities tend to only do one function so you have to use a bunch of tools :-/ 64.28.243.90 (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Fourme d’Ambert
Anyone know of a substitute cheese to Fourme d’Ambert which would work for a recipe? I want to try making honey caviar on Fourme d’Ambert with black tea, but that particular cheese seems unavailable around here. <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 10:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Lactic acid should emulate the taste somewhat. You can find it in cleaning products (you can find it anywhere, but cleaning products will provide a purer sampling).  Be careful, though, as too much will burn your tongue.  I know from experience.  Or you could try gorgonzola.  That should be easier to find in the States--  12:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So much has just been explained. Tytalk 12:48, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Venezuelan Beaver Cheese? MDB (talk) 12:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fourme de Montbrison, if you can get it. Ajkgordon (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, doesn't look like it. What about a very creamy stilton or as Brx said, Gorgonzola? Or do they have too much of a ester taste? Trouble is I have no idea what Fourme d’Ambert actually tastes like :-\ <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 14:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's not salty like Gorgonzola or Roquefort. I would go for a firm mild Stilton if that's all that's available. Ajkgordon (talk) 14:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fourme d'ambert is a blue cheese that is generally aged hard. So a gorgonzola will likely work, but it's going to be softer and a bit less pungent.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 14:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh? I don't think so. Fourme d'Ambert is very mild - much milder than Gorgonzola. Ajkgordon (talk) 14:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll trust you, as I've only had Motbrison, which is supposed to be very similar. and that was quite tart to my tongue. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 14:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC) And maybe, since I'm american, I just have no sense for tartness and pungency of cheese.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 14:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Montbrison and Ambert are very similar but I didn't think they were at all like Gorgonzola. Gorgonzola is similar to some Roqueforts - quite salty. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a Limey imposter :) Ajkgordon (talk) 16:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe a good ripe Cambozola? Worm (talk) 15:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's more like a blue Camembert. Ajkgordon (talk) 16:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Crundy, do you have a cheese shop nearby? I called our local importer, and they have this cheese. I"m going to try some, this weekend, just so I can say "ah, it really tastes like...."  good luck. [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 16:11, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "....cheese." Ajkgordon (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whole foods usually sells fourme d'ambert. And I'm completely serious about the lactic acid.  That will emulate the taste fourme d'ambert.--  16:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone get this man some cheese!!! I have Kraft or Velveeta if you want. TheCheatI run on alcohol 16:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What cleaning products specifically are you recommending as an alternative to cheese? 22:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I really need to look around and see if we do have a proper cheese shop round here. There used to be a good counter in the Debenhams deli, otherwise I'd have to see if there's one on the market. Cheers for the suggestions. <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 08:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Bollocks. There used to be a place called the Mouse Trap in Norwich which sold good cheese, but it seems to have gone. Looks like there's one on the market though. <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 08:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Texas judge caught on camera abusing his disabled daughter
Absolutely disgusting. Worse, though, is that this guy was a judge in several child abuse cases. If you dare watch the horriffic video, you can find it here. There are no words for the amount of contempt I have for people like this son-of-a-bitch. 12:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I watched some of it. His daughter has cerebral palsy.  I'm hoping that this sick bastard gets put away for a long time.--  12:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope that, if he does get put away, the inmates he's with treat him in kind. 12:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And leave him quadrospazzed on a life glug? Scarlet A.png<font color=#330033>moral 13:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * O wonder about her motivation. Handing it to the police soon after the event I could undertand, but putting it up on youtuve 7 years after the event ? Hamster (talk) 15:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * She was sick of his bullshit. After a while "he's my father I love him" was outdone by "he's an abusive monster!"--  16:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Five years is too short a statute of limitations. Also, she's kinda hot. Yeah, I'm shallow. But I was pissed before I saw a picture of what she looks like now-- 11:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Dragging out the horse carcass and the whippy stick...
Okay, I'll bring it up again (prounced "uuuughh... ggggggen..."). Should we rearrange the WIGOs on the main page? Currently WIGO:CP is updated far less than the others. It attracts higher votes on average, but who's to say that isn't because they linger for so long because updates are only a couple per week. This isn't killing it, just moving it down the list of WIGOs on the main page to the bottom, and then the same on WIGO_NAV. Commence bitching! Mush! Mush! <font color=#CC0033>narchist 18:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * WHY ARE YOU RUINING MY WIKI?????? -- Nx  / [:talk
 * Because I'm a fascist cunt. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 19:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Does look a little bit weird, like. <font color=#CC0033>bomination 19:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks fine. Also, I approve. Tytalk 19:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look too weird. I'm actually okay with it. I'll adjust to it with time. :3--Dumpling (talk) 19:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Anything that hastens the demise of CP and WIGO:CP is an excellent idea. -- Nx  / talk 19:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - David Gerard (talk) 19:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A hearty "meh." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Meh" counts as for. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>d hominem 20:33, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * CP is now in a PVS and with just a few active editors little of note happens. So yes, let's downgrade it.  20:37, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Now let the bitching commence. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>pathetic 20:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * PVS? Polyglotic Vocal Symbols?  Pissed Violent Sasquatches?  Partying Vagina Stuffers?  People for Verisimilitude in Satire?   21:02, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * persistent vegetative state Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>postate 21:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I want to bitch but in a different direction: I think we should add CZ and aSK. I don't care about either of those (because I like the political bs more than the sciency stuff), but I think others do. -- 21:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I pondered it, but they aren't updated even as frequently as CP. CZ itself only has a few entries for the whole of October contrasted with CP's ~30. They're all listed on WIGO at the moment, just not on the main page. Question is, how do we strike a balance between keeping few enough pages so that they remain reasonably active, and having enough to have a wide variety of content? Is it perhaps time to blend CP, ASK, CZ and that Ameriwiki thing into one Wikisphere page? Who knows. It's been thrown out there before, but I think this time there may be some weight behind it. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>pathetic 21:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Heard that idea for the first time. Sounds reasonable, though. -- 22:08, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they should still be kept separate, if only for the sake of the talk pages. I don't think having threads about Ask or CZ between a bulk of threads about CP would work too well.  Still think CZ & Ask should be kept off the WIGO banner, as they're a niche area of interest only to a few editors (even more than CP, & much less entertaining).  Possibly they could be small links from the banner without appearing in the line-up of icons.  22:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, of course, talk pages. That complicates matters somewhat. Let's keep them separate. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 09:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also of note, by checking fossil records and recent changes and applying absolutely no mathematics or statistics whatsoever, it can be clearly shown that WIGO:CP and its talk page are less active that the Saloon Bar. Actual RW stuff has long since over taken CP in terms of on-wiki activity. I don't think we should be ashamed of letting it shrivel up and die. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 10:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I also have this thing still hanging around, but unsure whether it's a decent idea or not. If given the choice the first time the headers were changed, I'd go with my newer variant but not sure. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>theist 22:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Stupid fucking idea. Nobody outside this site cares about anything other than your CP stuff. 85.210.8.97 (talk) 11:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * New_here.jpg]] [[File:Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral 11:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well that's a rational fucking argument. 85.210.8.97 (talk) 11:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, you wanted the rational argument, you mean like seemingly every bunchofnumbers does on this site; you-disagree-with-me-therefore-you-are-not-rational-because-I-am-rational-because-otherwise-I-wouldn't-think-like-this-but-you-don't-think-like-this-so-you're-not-rational. Nice one, little dude, never heard that one before, ever. But if you wanted the reasons, they're above laid out for people to read and consider and then actual users who contribute respectfully and meaningfully agreed. If you're not going to respond to those points and in, well I'd say "rational manner" but really any manner will do you'll not actually get any respect. You've merely come here, shouted, swore, edit warred and acted like a twat, therefore I respond in kind. Now, where is that sign that says "go fuck yourself"... it's getting used a lot recently, I should just put it on a spring or something. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>narchist 11:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Still not rational. Why don't you fuck off back to mashing the keyboard in a pathetic attempt to write articles that nobody is ever going to read? 212.139.228.49 (talk) 11:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Violating your own policies with a punitive block now? You really are a twat. Learn to write or better still, fuck off. 85.210.8.150 (talk) 11:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm trying quite hard to think of a reason why any of us should care a rat's arse for the musings of an anonymous troll and the only reason I can come up with is it's amusing to watch you whine and moan. Bad Faith (talk) 11:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Far more amusing to watch you feed me, you dickhead. 85.210.8.150 (talk) 11:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. Trolltop and trollbottom. The most worthwhile things you've written this year. 85.210.8.150 (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * OH NOEZ!!!! The order of the the buttons has changed! RW is no fun any more, it is JUST LIKE CONSERVAPEDIA!!1 I will rip my head off and hurl it against the wall in sorrow for having to move the cursor a bit to the right to watch a moribund website! It can't be done I say! Oh the humanity! 12:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Read what the fuck I said you ignorant bag of shit. All I said was that nobody gives a flying fuck what you bunch of shitstains says about anything except CP. I didn't say say the site was becoming more like CP. If you're going to make some kind of pathetic attempt at imitation with an aim to causing amusement, at least be accurate. 85.210.7.48 (talk) 22:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought you were leaving and not coming back, SuspectedReplicant. 89.133.180.171 (talk) 22:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Who, cocksucker? 85.210.6.46 (talk) 02:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Learning Thai for halfwits
whats the best way to learn a language (just enough to have to a conversation)? Specifically thai, if that makes any difference. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What kind of conversation? Small talk? How've you been doin'? or deep as shit philosophy? -- 22:52, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And what kind of learner type are you? -- 22:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * the Thick lazy kind. I basically wanna learn small talk. The problem I have had learning languages before (aside from being a dumb fuck) is that the way that is taught(from my experience learning german at school) is just so tedious. Its all'where is the nearest hotel' or 'how much is that bratwurst'. Useful, I'm sure, but hardly engaging.AMassiveGay (talk)
 * That's not what I meant with learner type. Let me explain, there are AFAIK three basic types: visual, audial and "witnessed" (I fail to come up with a better word for it). If you're of the visual type you can learn through texts, charts and pictures connecting to words. If you're audial you can learn better through endlessly repeating things or by hearing them often. If you're the witnessing type you learn through experience, through talking to people and figuring out by looking at what they are doing and then connect that. You should figure out which works best for you before you start learning.
 * Without much knownledge of thai, you should try to cover the basic grammar (all that what you need to express yourself and talk about yourself without getting intelectual) and according to the rules of small talk in thai culture (of which I have no clue), probably the usual: family, job, weather, travel (where you've been, not "where's the nearest hotel") and if you care about it sports. You may try to get a book for self-learners, as you could then learn in you own speed and have some cultural notes around the edges to keep your interest up. Also, thai script should be a basic. -- 23:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I would advise starting with a self-learning programme - i.e. a book & CD set, or a language learning website that has some recordings. Trying to learn from text alone won't work; you need to hear the pronunciation.  Once you've learned some basics, consider taking an evening class, if it seems right for you.  Also get in the habit of watching Thai movies or TV if you can get hold of some.  Watch with subtitles, & you might pick up a few words & phrases, as well as getting used to the tones & rhythm of the language.  23:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I would could watch ong bak repeatedly.learning thainand muay thai at the ame timeAMassiveGay (talk) 23:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did once have a plan of trying to learn through reading children's books. i'm not sure if that would with thai script appearing so alien to meAMassiveGay (talk) 23:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * umh, for what it's worth, we were taught it's an "experiential learner" for the third.
 * If you can find them free (eh-hem, i didn't say anything about downloading) or from a library, Rosetta stone is actually really good.  but it's like 400 bucks and NOT worth that.   Also, listen to as much of the language as you can, from Thai news, music, interviews... even if you have no idea what they are saying.  it helps you pick up words.  Then you just grab a book and start.  if it were not as exotic a language, there are better resources, but i'm thinking thai would be hard to find.  [[Image:Pink mowse.png|25px]]<font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot   Get over it!. 00:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Godot for making my hour long brainfart go away. Of course should a language always been learned with audio material (especially thai because it's a tonal language), the learner types are a description of how you one can learn best - and the mixture of that depends on how well you allready know a language and your personal preference. -- 00:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't know squat about the quality of these, but here's some podcasts. they have easy lessons you can download for free, and new lessons each week: <font face="Estrangelo Edessa"><font color="Blue">Godot  Get over it!. 00:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/learn-thai-podcast/id127409147
 * with basic resources http://womenlearnthai.com/index.php/review-learn-thai-podcast-relaunches/
 * http://www.mymuaythai.com/archives/learn-thai-podcasts/
 * Nothing about ping-pong balls then? 12:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Late the party again but, the simple answer to the original question, is to fall in love with someone who speaks that language. Then the personal, one-on-one tuition has a certain piquancy and staying power. Of course, this method does have it's drawbacks if you want to learn more than one language at a time and/or are already in a committed long term relationship. Bad Faith (talk) 11:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats kind of why i wish to learn. I wish to impress the ladyboy I am seeingAMassiveGay (talk) 18:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

RWW down?
Haven't been able to get it since about noon EST. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 00:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's down. Тy talk 00:28, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I imagine my permaban upset the system dearly. That or Goony got fed up with the place.--  02:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the above reasons, I imagine. 12:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Now it is just giving page not found. Тy talk 11:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Good riddance. -- Nx  / talk 12:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 13:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys, you know what this means? It's Marcus Cicero's attack! First RWW is taken down, this site will soon follow. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>theist 17:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, please. RWW crashes whenever more than ten people at a time try to refresh RecentChanges.  Why, he'll need at least a hundred tabs set to autorefresh to bring us down!   18:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Copping a feel
Was this picture intentional? From here <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 13:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe, does it matter? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 05:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

So based on above conversations...
I think that the CP, Blog, Clog, World, and Bar buttons were moved back but the talk pages weren't. Senator Harrison (talk) 02:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like there's an unfinished wheel war at Template:WIGO NAV.  02:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've realigned the talk links to match the current WIGO order, but they seems likely to move again. 02:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are things never easy... Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>narchist 02:51, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Where's the fun in that? Hardy.Har.Har.--Dumpling (talk) 05:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Derren
Derren Brown went to a haloween party, but didn't bother wearing a costume <font color="#777777">Crundy <font color="#00F0A20">Talk nerdy to me 08:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we all know someone to whom we can say "you know, you were supposed to wear a costume!" Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 09:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * About 20 seconds in David Mitchell describes Derren Brown's lottery prediction. Ajkgordon (talk) 09:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's Mitchell really spoiling the joke. Though if anyone had read Tricks of the Mind prior to the lottery thing, they would have spotted it. In fact, the entire Events series seemed like just an exercise in seeing if you've read that book or not, it seemed a lot more overt than in others. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>d hominem 09:59, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Like Penn & Teller's version of Cups and Balls with transparent cups, for me the real magic is when you know how it's done but it's still amazing anyway. When I saw Enigma on TV I'd already been at the stage show, and so I knew a lot of what was coming up, but it's very nearly as hard to spot even when you know what to look for. Admittedly this doesn't always work. I remember in The Seance there was a force (something that seems to be a free choice but actually there is only one option) that seemed very obvious to me, but several colleagues didn't see it until I pointed it out, and evidently none of the live participants spotted it, so it worked for them but disappointed me. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Would that be picking the photograph? I think the combination of instructions and the layout of colour and b&w images meant everyone would choose the same one, not sure if people would have got that if they didn't know what they were looking for. In hindsight it's the sort of thing you'd pick up on, but much of the point of Derren Brown is to show how with mediums it doesn't matter what the hindsight tells you, they've already raked in your money so it just matters what you think then and there. Speaking of P&T, Fool Us was really good, especially some of the ones who actually managed to fool them, they actually put in what looked like obvious moves and switches but were actually just baiting the people trying to figure it out. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 20:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, long time since I saw The Seance, but I think that's the force I remembered. I don't know really why it bothers me, there are other things he relies on where I already knew the "trick" but somehow those didn't annoy me whereas the blatant force did. I haven't seen "Fool Us" but I will watch out for it. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 10:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Why does everyone hate on Brx so much?
Come on, be nice. :) Osaka Sun (talk) 18:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I get people's frustration with him. I do not get the intensity of people's frustration with him. DickTurpis (talk) 18:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please please please please don't bring this up again. 18:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This topic might fill up the entire page by the end of the day... Osaka Sun (talk) 18:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * To be completely honest,they remind me of me in my worst moments—that obnoxious way of never letting go, and taking every possible opportunity to drag up whatever they're pursuing at the moment. So, Brxbrx is like me, minus the good parts.   18:30, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The what? -- Nx  / talk 18:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't make me cry again, Nx. Internet tears are the worst kind of tears.   18:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Countdown to the creation of a "Why do we hate Brxbrx?" template... 18:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What we do to Brx is worse than lynching. It's worse than what happened to the Jews in Cordova in 1391. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 20:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nx is far worse. He is the most unaccountable and worst abuser of every tool he has available. Aceace 20:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't listen to Bb and Ace, they're just upset that they can't get together and circle jerk anachronistic lynchings anymore. Or something. 20:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But what about the Jews? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 21:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't you remember? When Maratrean was acting up he compared the possibility of us banning him to this. Osaka Sun (talk) 22:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't think of anything else than: He's from ED. And I have to say, I don't see anything annoying about brx, I find others much worse. -- 20:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait until you get random emails effectively calling you a cunt. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 21:01, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have an inbox full of those. Almost called the Gardai to talk about cyberstalking. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 21:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't hate Brx. He is, however, an intentional drama queen, a cunt and a pain in the ass. But I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone. Aceace 21:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't hate Br (its almost impossible for me to hate anybody), I hate what he cuases here.--il&#39;Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 21:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hate the sin not the sinner?  21:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm mildly surprised we don't have an article on that already.  21:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoa, hey, Armondikov, P-Foster, I did not send those emails. Nuh-uh, no way.  That wasn't me.  I sent P-Foster an email once, it was 100% civil, and he replied on my talk page.  I don't believe I've ever emailed Armondikov, although I've some faint memory of hate-emailing him after he blocked me once.  But that was just once, if it did happen.  And ADK disliked me before that.--  22:30, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I had quite a bit of patience for you before that. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>postate 22:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not everything is about you... I think they are referencing to MC, at least P left because of that. -- 22:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, this thread is about me. Sorry if I got confused.--  22:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that my general attitude towards users is one of patience, tolerance, and admiration. It's just flaming and trolling I don't like. Not on this wiki.-- 22:30, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your on the wrong wiki, dog. Aceace 22:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So why didn't you stop me when I was flaming Ace like three times the last few days? -- 22:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Depends what you call flaming. I suppose that when you said Ace was incapable of laughing at himself, that was flaming, but not really the worst case.  After that I saw you as calling out Ace on his behavior.  And you know, I'm not the Batman of RationalWiki.  I'm a lot of places but I can't be everywhere, nor do I necessarily want to.--  22:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * but you can't say you hate x behavior, but then don't intervene when it happens to others--il&#39;Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 23:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can, because I can't be everywhere and because in this case UHM's behavior wasn't really so bad that it irked my sensors. But if it will make you happy, UHM, don't tell Ace he can't laugh at himself like that.  It's probably untrue.  Yeah, he was acting like a jackass towards me because I left an innocuous comment, but that particular comment was unjustified.--  01:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On the internet saying you have physical limits to where you can be on it is sorta funny--il&#39;Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 13:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

What is this I don't even...
I'm not quite sure how to phrase this in a nice way, so I'll just say; how intellectually stunted do you need to be to say something like "The only people who ever made sense in this world so far were Jesus Christ﻿ and Kurt Cobain... and I'm not a 'Christian' or 'Nirvana' fan.. just a follower of truth, 'real' truth." I assume the poster will probably read that in about 5 years and facepalm their ass off. <font color=#CC0033>pathetic 20:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I know this sounds like arse, but music kind of ended for me when Kurt Cobain died.AMassiveGay (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Coincidently, I'm watching 'Nirvana live at the paramount' on bbc4AMassiveGay (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In response to Armondikov, the idea of Christ and Cobain (substitute either or both with whom ever you like) can resonant very strongly with people. The Idea of them, not what they have actually said or done, not who they actually were, just an ideal that they represent for folk. Its not a rational thing, but it can help you get through the day. The phrasing "The only people who ever made sense in this world so far were Jesus Christ﻿ and Kurt Cobain... and I'm not a 'Christian' or 'Nirvana' fan.. just a follower of truth, 'real' truth." doesn't say to intellectually stunted, it says to me the poster doesn't believe his own words. A poor attempt to sound profond. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe in Justin Bieber. --79.44.230.65 (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We are all beliebersAMassiveGay (talk) 21:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh, Nirvana was mostly a Pixies knock-off. Even Cobain admitted that. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was never a fan. Too depressing. Osaka Sun (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * When your 17, depressing is what you want.AMassiveGay (talk) 22:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * @Neb - every band is a knock off of another. And my band is always cooler than your band.AMassiveGay (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose that's the way I wanted to put it, it's an attempt to sound profound without really knowing how. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>gnostic 22:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's also the general cult of the good who die young - added tragedy value + the appeal of idolising someone who was cut off more or less in their prime. Jesus, Cobain, Guevara, JFK, MLK, Hendrix, Lennon, James Dean, Diana, etc. etc.  23:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ADK, it's just a radically different usage of the word truth than we're used to around here. To the poster, "truth" means something that resonates with a person on an emotional or spiritual level. They are emphatically not using it the way you are. All they're really saying is, "Jesus and Kurt said things that touch me on some deeper level," or perhaps "I want to signal my affiliation to the works of Jesus and Kurt because of the emotional significance of their words." See also this blog post by Robin Hanson. 23:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Undoubtedly, but Jesus and Kurt, really? Maybe I'm just getting old and cranky so have sort of adapted who I find inspirational to be beyond the usual angst idols (not that I ever had much affinity for song lyrics ever, really). Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 23:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's just a typical mind fallacy. Plus, there could also be specific circumstances in this person's life that caused them to think this way - e.g. maybe the poster's friends or family are into Christianity and Nirvana (among other things), and those two happened to rub off. Considering all the weird shit people are into, how surprising can it really be? Also, this belief may not be one that the poster would maintain if they were subjected to rigorous questioning - it may have been a spur-of-the-moment thing. 02:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fallacy smallacy, I want to feel smug and superior, not tolerant, dammit! Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>d hominem 20:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe how many times you have to repeat the lie... (enough to put in the Clogs, perhaps?)
The dumbest, most heartless woman by far, in Canada. Make sure you get a drink before reading it.  And yes, she was born into a wealthy American family, went to a private school, and has two liberal arts degrees.

She's our new Thatcher. If more like her get into our Parliament and start spewing "individual responsibility" on everyone other than the banks, our country is screwed. Osaka Sun (talk) 21:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's nothing "new" about Wente, she's a tired old woman with tired old arguments. No reason to pay any attention to her. Nobody likes her, anyways. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 21:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually seems par for the course for these people to me. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>d hominem 21:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If she wrote an article about "these Occupiers need to realize that if that we change the system, it would still have to be a form of capitalism" it would be much less of a straw-man and I wouldn't give a shit.  But she manipulates the same talking points used by Republicans since 1980 and backs it up with zero statistical evidence except for the quotes of an obscure blogger.   I'm actually shocked that she didn't pull the Greece card. Osaka Sun (talk) 21:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The wingnut-osphere has been cranking out the same two articles on OWS since it started: "OWS is full of Marxists/anarchists/terrorists/the Muslim Brotherhood and Global Caliphate" and "OWS protesters should blame their Marxist pointy-headed professors and lick the boots of our Galtian Overlords." You can figure out which one this is. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And one more thing, Wente even manages to complain about professors who encourage students to do non-profit work to help "save the world." What a bitch. Osaka Sun (talk) 23:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

L@@K: the disturbing wartime footage that Obama doesn't want you to see
Leaked here. What kind of sick slaughter are US troops enacting here? How come more media isn't reporting on the heinous crimes against innocents enacted by this fascistic regime? Where's the birth certificate Barack? --Interpreteddestroy all editors
 * The Horror. The Horror. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 21:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to admit, he's a good shot. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>sshole 21:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it too hard to sit in a goddamn tree or blind with a bolt-action? Тy talk 21:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, for some reason this is in the related videos. The comments disturb me. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>postate 21:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing more romantic than "honey let's go to the range together". And yeah, I know people who go on shooting dates. Hell I know a guy with a gun/girl calender. And my sister's boy friend loves the fact that she loves guns. Тy talk 22:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The first thing that came to mind was Idiocracy. Osaka Sun (talk) 22:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of Goldeneye. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not Idiocracy, that's the actual Fox News intro! Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral 23:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Which reminds me, we must put it in RW's Faux article. Preferably at the top. Osaka Sun (talk) 00:11, 6 November 2011 (UTC)