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The siren's call chaos
So the G20 meeting is in Toronto this weekend. G20 meetings usually equal complete chaos. Protest zone is around Queen's Park. I want to go watch...but tear gas and sound cannons do not differentiate protesters from the curious.....tmtoulouse 20:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Carry a placard that says "Just Curious". Acei9 20:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They spent over a billion dollars on security. The least you could do is go apeshit crazy. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, just stay at home. Then next time some bureaucrat will wonder why they spend a billion on unnecessary security, and then you can strike. 21:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What happens if you show up with riot armor, a gasmask, a video camera, and "Just Curious, Peaceful and Unarmed" sign? Would that keep you safe from the police? ÑR /Señor Admin/Hablar 21:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of late summer '08 when the RNC was here in Minneapolis/St. Paul, and my friends and I were at the protests the first three nights. The first two nights weren't so bad, but the third night is when the cops started attacking anyone on sight that didn't look Republican, regardless of what they were doing. Sure, you heard about them going after so-called "anarchists," but nobody outside of the local press covered the downtown St. Paul employees and businessmen that also got arrested, teargassed, and/or beaten just because they were trying to go to work. 01:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Magical healing and me
As I am the manger of the PR/media department for the company I work for, when it comes down to promoting something within the industry I have the final say. Somehow the promoters of a lying scam artist health woo promoter got my details and would like me to help in promoting an event through my industry network. I take great pleasure is saying no. If I owned this company I'd say "no, because it's bullshit" but nonetheless I am satisfied with a simple "no". Acei9 21:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you not say "no" but with a politely worded "because it's bullshit" response? Like "Thank you for your enquiry. Regrattably, we will be unable to take your request further, as there is insufficient scientific evidence for the activities you promote, and we are dedicated to ensuring we only partner with evidence-based methodologies and practices. We wish you all the best in your endevour". 21:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, I suppose I could. Acei9 21:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You could at least have pointed them in the direction of people in an ethically similar line of business who have a great deal of experience in email-based marketting. Much of their work is showcased over at www.419eater.com. ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 11:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You should come up with some PR woo and sell it to the health woo people for a pile of cash. --Alienfromspace (talk) 18:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Lean customer engagement value justification social media benchmarking personalized interconnected sincere voice user-directed market identity. Strategic promotainment visibility 'wow'-factor network actionable content optimisation wiki analytics B2E brandstorming corporate DNA semantic mapping please dear Lord stop me before I kill again Obama effect synergy ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn research embedding - David Gerard (talk) 20:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Proud to have reached a great milestone.
I have now achieved a share ratio of unity on my favourite pornography bit torrent tracker. 07:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So your pr0n collection now exceeds 100Gb? Umm, congrats, I guess. 07:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ummmmm, yeah. Nice one. Acei9 08:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, umm, keep it up, I guess. 08:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he has been SNORT SNORT 08:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words, chaps. On the snort snort, it does amuse me when pornog torrenters complain that people aren't seeding enough FNAR FNAR! 08:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I forgot about Finbar Saunders (and his double entendres):
 * When demonstrating how easy it is to take off the camera lens he says "A few quick twists of the wrist and it comes off in a couple of seconds... Mind you I haven't had it off in ages, so it was very stiff this morning"
 * 09:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Um. Please tell me you are trying to make some sort of joke, otherwise this is really quite sad. Hmm, a DVD holds (for ease of math) 3 hours of movie and for ease of math, I'll say it that is 8GIB, and your 113 is also GIB, so, at least 13 hours of porn. If it is .avi, I have a 85 minute B-movie in AVI, it is 745.3MB, or ~8.76MB/min. 113*1024/8.76 = 13209min = ~220hrs of porn. Over 9 days of Porn. I am not against it, but why do you need so much porn? Tyrannis (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude, streaming is the future, you don't need to download it. 14:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Porn is disappointing by definition, that's why some of us keep downloading more and more of it. More often than not, I fast-forward through a 60min movie in about 5-10min, and never watch it again. I don't find 200 hours of porn surprising, probably I have downloaded a similar quantity in my life. Sad? It probably is, but there could be worse... and my ratio on that tracker is actually greater than yours. --Alienfromspace (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Um. Ok... Tyrannis (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Brian Blessed
For you UK-based Brian Blessed fans out there, the world's shoutiest actor is making a battle cry for the England team ahead of the game. Bondurant (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything from Brian Blessed there -- is it only accessible from the UK?


 * Wait, excuse me, that's not properly formated considering the subject.


 * I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FROM BRIAN BLESSED THERE -- IS IT ONLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE UK? MDB (talk) 13:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a live feed from the Beeb. Premusably when Bondurant posted it, it was revelant. 14:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]


 * Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnoz2gp6QrM

But personally, I think this is a better battle cry:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTHypbLlkE&feature=related (It come in at 3:07)Ryantherebel (talk) 14:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This YouYube comment sums it up best: "Who needs vuvuzelas when you have Brian Blessed?"


 * Of course, if stakes were considerably higher, you could say "Who needs atomic weapons when you have﻿Brian Blessed?" MDB (talk) 14:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Just walked to the shops. Ever pub with t'telly on has bouncers & coppers on the door. Shops nice & man-free. 14:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I have a letter from him agreeing to be my society's official "shoutsperson", like a "spokesperson" but louder. And the Have I Got News For You appearance is classic. 15:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that this is a better team talk. 16:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This was also a good one. Bondurant (talk) 12:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Pardon my moment of national pride, but...
U!S!A!

U!S!A!

U!S!A!

(I can't find a decent link yet, but the US beat Algeria.) MDB (talk) 16:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I found a link. MDB (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm an American, and I'm a little upset that the US is moving on. I am ready for soccer to fade back into obscurity. Bandwagon fans make me sick. Call me anti-American if you want, but I think it's anti-American to like soccer. Keegscee (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I will readily admit to only being interested because the US is doing good. At least I'll honestly admit to being a fair weather fan.
 * As a complete aside, one of my most conservative friends is a soccer fan, and is rather dismayed by the American right's contempt for soccer. MDB (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You should be aware that it's quite common for teams topping their groups to crash and burn in the knock-outs whereas the eventual winners often struggle at the same stage. Jus' sayin'. Ajkgordon (talk) 20:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I woke up early just to watch the match and ened up waking up my roommate (and probably most of my apartment complex) celebrating when the US scored that last minute goal. I love football year round and I am always ashamed that Americans are too stupid and/or lazy to understand such an amazing sport.  21:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I take offense to that statement. Conceptually, soccer is one of the easiest sports to understand. Sure, there are probably things going on that many of us don't see or appreciate, but it is nowhere near as complex as football, which most Americans love. We could get into a whole philosophical debate about why Americans don't like soccer as much as the rest of the world, but I can say for sure that it is not because we are stupid and lazy. (Don't get me wrong. We ARE stupid and lazy, but that is not the reason we don't like soccer). Keegscee (talk) 00:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * (@AKJ): Yes, but thankfully, the USA finishing in first means that they'll play Ghana instead of Germany in the next round. Who gets that honor, you may ask? England! Junggai (talk) 21:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hah! Nice!   And as an american who cares not about Soccer, I always watch the US in the world cup.  I watched it more last time, in fact, than I did this time.  Not having cable sucks...   Quaru (talk) 00:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I was screaming at the telly yesterday afternoon at the England vs Slovenia game. My father text me after the match saying, "Relief! But 2nd to USA!" Then I had to go to work after an afternoon of drinking. 11:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Irony.... or is it?
Someone who knows these things better than me.... Would excessive photoshopping over an image of an American flag be considered a violation of the flag code? Either way, that picture is god awful. 16:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I doubt simply displaying writing on a (somewhat stylized) image of the flag would count as a violation. If someone created an actual flag with that written on it, then yes, it would be a violation.


 * However, we all know that if the flag code was actually enforced, it would only be in cases where someone perceived an act or display as overt disrespect. That's why you'd never see, for instance, the prosecution a car dealer who flies a flag designed to be seen from a great distance, despite the fact the flag code prohibits using the flag for advertising purposes. MDB (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Either way, it's quite a horrendous piece of art. 16:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The comments are amusing e.g.: "... We have less theft, murder, and other crimes than other countries...." 16:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * It's like a U.S. flag had sex with an early 21st century MySpace page. The persecution thing sounds serious. I have enough hope for America to believe that one day Americans shall be free to fly the flag, express their appreciation for their country, and maybe even pray privately in schools. Fight for your freedoms my flag humping FaceBook brothers and sisters, and please do not breed, vote, or wear seatbelts!  ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 21:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That picture is hideous. And it desperately needs to be Three-Wolf-Mooned.   17:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Loneliness of the long distance tennis player
As I watch Wimbledon, Mahut v. Isner stands at 2 sets each and 35-games each in the fifth. Evidently this is some sort of record, they've been playing for over 6½ hours. 17:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, what happened to a tie break? 17:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No tie breaks in the fifth set. It's now 41-41 and approaching 8 hours. 17:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The worst part is that one of these players is meant to be playing tomorrow as well&mdash;ouch!-- 18:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They suspended it due to darkness at 59-59. Incredible. Keegscee (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That is amazing indeed. 00:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Aaand they're off again. Currently 63-62, with serve. I sense energy drink and/or anti-perspirant endorsment deals for both players when (if?) the match finishes. Bondurant (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Viagra - How long can you keep it up for? Amazingly they have now been playing for as long as some TV series. We have sweepstake in the office for how many games it goes to, I've got 102-100. 15:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Finally! 70-68. 15:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

McChrystal
"I have accepted his resignation..." most definitely was the euphemism it often is. 18:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * " ... His older brother, retired Colonel Scott McChrystal, was an Army Chaplain, and is the endorsing agent for the Assemblies of God. ..." (WP) I know it's his bro - not him (& I've got a cousin who married a vicar) but ... 21:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I've no idea about the details of this but it looks like another case of a professional treading on the politicians' toes and having to pay the price. 07:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Same thing happened to McArthur. Acei9 07:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it was some serious dumbfuckery on the general's part, inviting a Rolling Stone reporter to join him in Paris, getting plastered the first night together with everyone in his entourage, then spending the next couple of days badmouthing his civilian superiors in the White House (though not exactly saying anything directly about Obama). The reporter was actually stunned that they were so relaxed about it, and wondered what game was up. Then the ash cloud happened, and a two-day assignment turned into a month-long fly on the wall situation. Junggai (talk) 07:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Pharyngulated!
A poll asking if we are under god 21:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nonsense! Jesus is clearly a bottom. --Kels (talk) 21:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Trinity implies versatility, Kels.-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 21:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Creative masturbation, I suppose. --Kels (talk) 21:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! She said "creative"!!!!! 21:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * By the time I tried the poll, it was 92% "take it out". --Gulik (talk) 22:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "take it out?" That's what she said . . . Me!Sheesh! Mine! 22:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's up to 94%. 00:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, why do they need a national pledge of allegiance in the first place? We get along without one on this side of the pond. 07:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Though foreigners who want to become UK citizens do have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen. Obviously it's presumed that people who are born in the UK will automatically have unswerving loyalty to the crown, or something. alt (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So do MPs - that's why Sinn Feinne[sp?] Couldn't take their place in t'Commons. 19:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

Godfail
Remember kids, always treat your lighting as if it is loaded Sen (talk) 02:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Solid Rock Church" ([the statue was made from] plastic foam and fibreglass over a steel frame.) LOL. 07:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, "touchdown Jesus"! 21:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

What's this madness then.....
Clicked on WND banner and, wow, this is madness. "Why Atheists in America Love Death!", "...atheists are working to trigger the collapse of law and order in America". A masterpiece. Acei9 07:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is it from "Solutions From Science"? 08:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * On reflection (and linked to Pharyngulated section above) isn't demanding that someone publicly and continually pledges allegiance to the state and gOD a foundation stone of totalitarian society? Anyway, I've got extra tins of beans under the stairs, stocked up on pre-VAT rise Gordons gin and a gold sovereign on my mother's charm bracelet, just in case everything does go wrong. 09:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They really tick all the boxes: Atheists, godless socialist minions, Hitler, Judgement Day, public education, evolution, godless science, new world order, police state, FEMA camps, etc. Also, for some reason, the old 17th stuff about standing armies. Where did that bit come from? Broccoli (talk) 10:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Missing cat
Can you make me a poster? 15:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I was really hoping that you did have a cat, so I could give you a two hour blow job. How I would have laughed and experienced such joy. Marcus "Fellatio King" Cicero (talk) 15:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I like David Thorne, his email exchanges always amuse me. Is he the same one that did the email exchange with his kid's teacher about the trip to a church for Easter saying religion is bullshit? 15:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the one. The one about the flash drive was good as well. 15:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I see it on the website... 15:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn Aussie criminals...  Not believing in god, and such.  Quaru (talk) 17:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

So, I just found out...
...that one of my former classmates has become a Mormon, another a Jew and third an Objectivist.

What the hell is wrong with the world? Vulpius (talk) 16:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A Jew, a Mormon, and an Objectivist walk into a bar...  17:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ouch! 18:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Is assfly still married?
Just wondering. Don't get any ideas. rationalI don't care 13:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strange question. I rather think you'd have read it all over if he wasn't. 13:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Inappropriate subject matter in my opinion. Leave this poor woman out of it. She's never been part of CP, and in fact he's never so much as said a single thing about her. ÑR /Señor Admin/Hablar 14:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, inappropriate stuff to care about. However, we can snark it up by pretending that he is in an "it's complicated" with TK. [[image:Banana.gif]] 14:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is totally inappropriate, but I'm just going to throw my two cents in... lol &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You all really can stop assuming bad faith. I was wondering because he spends so much time on a damn website, i wonder how anyone could still be with him. but that was my thinking. rationalI don't care 18:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * After 25+ years of married life most women would be glad that their husband has got himself a hobby. 19:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Australian PM doubletake
"Julia Gillard becomes the first female prime minister of Australia after wrestling the leadership of the governing Labor Party from incumbent Kevin Rudd". What? Puts glasses on - "...after wresting the leadership...". Ah, now that makes more sense, but you never can tell with Australian politics. 07:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You were right the first time. --DamoHi 06:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Whole new spin on legislative violence.

Might be fun to have candidates for top offices fight each other - pairs or groupwise. (Putin - anything except judo).

82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Foundation -- One month warning
I will be moving ahead with establishing the RationalWiki Foundation in about a month. It will transfer ownership of everything to a non-profit lead by community elected trustees. The current proposed by-laws are at: RationalWiki:Proposed bylaws.

Several issues that maybe worth discussing further:


 * The name which stands at "The RationalWiki Foundation"
 * The statement of purpose
 * The structure, terms, ect. of the trustees.

If you have something to say now is the time to chime in! tmtoulouse 15:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good. ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 15:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope conservative gentlemen are enjoying themselves because the broadsides have been fired against authoritarianism and conservatism. The cannon balls are on their way!  And of course, they might want to head inland as the scientific waves are forming on the internet. :) Acei9 07:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OLE! OLE! OLE! The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 11:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

RWW
The domain name expires in 20 days, and RA is unwilling to continue to pay for it. I would like to know whether everyone else thinks it should be left to die, or whether it's worth keeping. 17:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's only worth continuing as an active site if more than a half-dozen or so people want to regularly edit it & keep it up to date, which hasn't been the case for a long time. But there is some OK content (though very out of date) about some RW editors & some early site history.  It would be a shame for all that to vanish completely, so maybe some of it should be copied over to some corner of RW.  17:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Isn't it already hosted by Trent anyway? 18:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * hosting it is different than paying for the domain name... Quaru (talk) 18:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that, but he has all the archives so it's not as if they will be lost if the domain registration expires. 22:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically, without the domain name you can still access the site by fiddling with the HTTP headers manually, and the wiki would still exist as a semi-working entity, but you can't type "http://rationalwikiwiki.org" into a browser and arrive there. 18:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it was dead. Let it die after rescuing anything worthwhile as the musteloid said. 19:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]


 * How much is the reregistraition fee (and the DNS hosting, if its not on rationalwiki.org). It might be an idea to keep it for this cycle to stop someone else from putting content on it, but move it to a subdomain of rationalwiki.org CS Miller (talk) 19:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * XML dump the site and import it into a wikia. tmtoulouse 19:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it infeasible to change some config stuff so that it's kept inside the rationalwiki.org domain? 19:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I say we kill it and then ban anyone who speaks of it. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 19:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's still better than the other way round. --Alienfromspace (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Surely this is only like ten dollars or something? That's what GoDaddy charges, anyway... 21:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I think I'll buy it for Marcus to use. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 21:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It always struck me as rather mean-spirited and poisonous; perfect for MC! --УФББДЯЇДИ Bend Sinister 21:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * To me the most important thing is, who has ultimate control of it. Is the server at Trent's house just like RationalWiki? If that is the case, I doubt it can be very independent. Could the content possibly be moved to user space or some other place in this wiki? ~ That blind moron (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Fuck it. If he gives me the log in information for it I will adopt it for historical preservation. tmtoulouse 22:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How much is it, anyway? 22:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Enough that I will demand a commemorative placard in my honor permanently installed on RWW recent changes. tmtoulouse 22:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "TERNT WOZ HEAR"? 22:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are two options, and it depends on who wants to keep it going and for what purpose. 1) If people are willing to keep it up to date and make sure it can be used as a "what the fuck is happening right now because I've been away for a few days" type site with a lot of meta-content, then we should import it into the main wiki under a new namespace that is by default not shown on RC or used in random - it's hosted under this DNS, on the main wiki (so can take advantage of RW's fancy add-ons etc.) but is essentially invisible for everyday use, so is independent. 2) If people want to use it as a slagging and bitching board, they can get together and pay for it themselves. 06:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My view on it: it provide an interesting outlet for meta issues, and is still fertile ground for producing some interesting effects in terms of community evolution. It is a small petri dish, but some stuff still grows that is interesting. I regret not taking a more active role in preserving the history of RW 1.0, and things that have played a role in shaping the site are interesting to keep around. If the site is going to die let it die do to inactivity, not something silly like domain registration. I have been "sponsoring" the site for a while by having it on your server, so I will go ahead and continue to sponsor it. I will still pretty much ignore it, with the one caveat that I have always had in place: if it become nothing but a hate site directed at people then it gets fish bowled and will have to find a new home. Last and least is that there is some benefit for having control over the domain name anyway. Rather have rationalwikiwiki be something we have control over than turned into a redirect to a gambling site, add server or who knows what. tmtoulouse 06:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a funny playpen for Goonie and others. If it's just the sake of paying 10-30 dollars for a registration then I can take care of that. I'd suggest that the name be looked after by whoever's going to be watching the main RW domains, so perhaps we can use paypal to pass the money on to that person?  ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 12:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that is me till death, delusion, or discharge. tmtoulouse 13:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's do this quickly then before all of the above happen. You haf email. ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 15:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess it is decided then. I was going to say the content is welcome at Lumeniki, where it would be eeeuuum independently operated. Perhaps it best to just pay the man. ~ That blind moron (talk) 21:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I know its on Fox but....
....I still think this is shocking. Fancy using a 10 yr old boy to Grand Marshall a gay rights parade. It's actions like this that lower the esteem for gay rights in peoples eyes. Acei9 21:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Picking a ten year-old does strike me as pretty short-sighted, but Christ those AFA guys really make my blood boil. They don't even pretend to "love the 'sinner'". --Yo-Yo Invitation to a Beheading 21:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed the AFA are terrible people but imagine the out cry if it were a ten year old girl being thrust into the world of hetro sexuality. It aint right, no matter what. Acei9 21:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a pretty bad idea whichever way you cut it. A combination of naiveté (I'd hope) and political opportunism. --[[Image:Flag of Soviet Canuckistan.svg|30px|IN SOVIET CANUCKISTAN, BEAVER DAMS YOU!!!]] Yossarian The Man from the USSR 22:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm that is interesting. I actually think that female homosexuality is "often" less risky than male homosexuality and therefore that seems sorta positive. I didn't think most fundies could distinguish between male and female homosexuality on the basis of something so insignificant as health. Is there someone else drawing this distinction? For those who "aren't promiscuous" male and female homosexuality are pretty much the same, but you never know if the child is going to be the promiscuous type, and I don't know to what degree homosexual behavior, is learned or pre-programed. I'm not saying the child at the rally was being influenced inappropriately (I didn't read the article), I'm only commenting on the distinction between male and female homosexuality.
 * I have guydyke tendencies, In case you were wondering.
 * ~ That moron (talk) 22:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But but but.... Lesbians are all fat. 22:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Mmmmm yes too much of a good thing is never enough for me.  I have a phat solution for that! I will devour the excess and put good things in their places. Deal? =) ~ That blind moron (talk) 01:48, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (EC) What do you mean by "For those who "aren't promiscuous" male and female homosexuality are pretty much the same"?
 * I mean that everything that makes it physically risky for male homosexuals to have "unsafe" sex, makes it relatively less risky for female homosexuals to have "unsafe sex". If they only have "unsafe sex" with trustworthy, healthy people, or they only engage in mutual masturbation, the health risks would seem to be identical. (I have invented some devices which I call orifallicArmor that would make even "promiscuous sex" into safe sex.) ~ That blind moron (talk) 03:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's nice. But why are you equating "promiscuous sex" with unsafe sex?  & What's it got to do with the kid?   17:48, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not completely equating "promiscuous sex" with unsafe sex. I do think having "sex" with people one doesn't know very well is less safe then not doing so. That is, unless using a very sturdy prophylactic with complete coverage, but the only example of this I know of (orifallicArmor) is an undeveloped invention of mine.
 * If the boy were influenced to have (more) sex with males, this could be a greater health risk than if he were not. That is, unless he never has unsafe sex, which may be uncommon. I'm not speaking of the present only, but of his future activities.
 * ~ That blind moron (talk) 20:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No matter what the cause it is still putting a child into a complicated adult situation. Acei9 22:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you completely Ace. Using a child as a political prop is wrong, no matter who does it.  Whether it was Palin trotting out her kids like show horses to complete the nuclear family image or anti-war protestors who smear fake blood on their kids and have them march in front of the group.  Kids need to be left out of things like this.   22:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That is so gay. Quaru (talk) 23:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't agree. It is all important, who is on the side of truth. Brainwashing children into false religions is bad, but allowing them to stand beside their heroes is commendable. I would be proud to have been this kid, I think... he will undoubtedly have to face pressure to associate himself with the typical subcultural biases/lies but through that he may learn to deal with such situations. Such is life. ~ That blind moron (talk) 03:32, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

While I do agree with the comments above to some extent, I must say that the whole incident is not really that big of a deal the the people locally (I live in Fayetteville). The annual gay pride thing really is a low key affair here, and even the more conservative rednecks folks among us seem to support the kid for refusing to stand for the pledge or whatever. This whole thing is being blown out of porportion by certian "family advocate" groups elsewhere in the area. 23:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the kid is a gay rights activist, known for refusing to stand for the PoA last year in support of gay rights. 23:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's true, he's only ten, but from what I understand he actually has somewhat of a history of speaking out for gay rights. At first I assumed it was just typical pre-pubescent rebellion, but the kid seems to be sincere. 00:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * so what? He's 10 years and totally unable to understand the utter complexity of this issue or even of his own sexuality. Acei9 00:14, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The kid is being recognized at a small local event in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Arkansas with a couple hundred people in attendance, at best. It's not like he's being named "grand poobah of the gay rights movement" or something. He sees injustice in the world, and chooses to speak out about it. Good for him.  01:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What understanding is the kid missing? If you can judge a category of people (10 year olds) couldn't you judge them on an individual basis? How do you judge maturity? You are kinda failing my test already. Ageism is just another prejudice, not unlike sexism or racism. Pre-judgment is only required when we lack the time to look deeper. For example, police, military personnel, gangsters, or street people may have to pre-judge as a matter of survival. We don't need to here. ~ That blind moron (talk) 03:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Please, no one would even notice if it was a little girl and a little boy pretending to be married. This is just the "ick" factor. Look how awful these are. You'll feign offense I'm sure but had any of these kids shown up in some internet meme you'd have not thought twice about it. Ok, maybe the tacky weddings thing would have raised an eyebrow or twoMe!Sheesh! Mine! 01:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the issue here is whether the kid is doing it fully voluntarily or is being manipulated in some way, and is the kid just affirming the rights of gays or making a statement about his own sexuality? Many kids nowadays get politicised in ways that were unheard of when I was a youngster, even though there are also countless kids who do similar things (maybe even pressurised) in the name of religion and nobody bats an eyelid. If he has been brought up to believe in equality and fairness for all then helping out at a gay pride event seems pretty innocuous. Kids often have a much greater sense of fairness than adults and feel compelled to help starving Africans or endangered animals which they have seen on TV. Would you be so disgusted if the kid was marshalling a parade for "traditional family values"? Just because someone takes a stand oversomething doesn't mean that they subscribe to that lifestyle and many heterosexual kids are brought up by couples of either gender in a homsexual relationship without being "contaminated". I think that revulsion over this issue actually reveals some latent homophobia. (I'm not racist but...) 07:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The parents of this kid really should be ashamed of themselves. Its hard enough being a kid without making yourself the pick of the playground bullies. Honestly. A complete disgrace. Libertarian1 (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're blaming the victim and allowing bullies to decide how kids should be raised. The solution is rather to protect kids from bullies. ~ That blind moron (talk) 21:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

If anyone would like to continue this conversation, I have copied it here in Lumeniki. ~ That blind moron (talk) 02:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Or we can just continue it here. 02:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would we want to "continue" a discussion here at another wiki? What we usually do if something is really stirring some shit is to port it to a debate page or a forum page.  On this wiki. Where we are all already editors.  03:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Another one for Earthland
11:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought about posting this earlier, but a voice in my head said, "." Bondurant (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fuckit. Imma go get another abortion. Thanks for the info. ÑR /Señor Admin/Hablar 12:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know who this "Earthland" is, but I silence voices in my head with copious amounts of drugs.   Abortions all around!!!  Quaru (talk) 12:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Cat steals feet
So there I was browsing the BBC while having lunch at my desk, and I spies the BBC Most Read news stories. Number 5: Bride's brother has legs stolen (story about an amputee paralympian whos legs were pinched). Number 4: Amputee cat given 'bionic feet.' Coincidence? I don't think so. Bondurant (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of it about: "Hospital bins foot" 20:43, 25 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * But, of course, some are getting their own back on the animal kingdom 20:47, 25 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

What sort of ...
... bloody phone has to give "how to hold it" instructions? 20:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The kind of phone only KenDoll can appreciate? 20:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Whooping cough an epidemic in California
I hope it gets to New Jersey and fucks Andy in the asshole. --sloqɯʎs puɐ suƃıs uɐɪɹɐssoʎ 21:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This seems to be one of those cases where the spectrum of ideas comes full circle and kisses its own backside. Andy's anti-vaccine campaigning is right-wing nuttery, while in California they seem to be more gullible for new-age pseudo-scientific woo. (Of course, I'd hate to stereotype.) 07:10, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there are anti-vaxxers all across the spectrum. 20:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can say here in Mid-Michigan were getting close to "epidemic" proportions.  Morons deciding not to vaccinate is awesome!  We had something like 200(+) cases in the last year, and 2 years ago we had 2 cases.   (I'm speaking of the Flint, MI area)  Quaru (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

National (education) standards.
In my neck of the woods there is a minor controversy raging regarding proposed national standards for primary schools. As I understand it, the proposal is to have the kids from ages 5-12 all assessed for basic literacy and math skills so as to provide information to parents on how the school they are attending is performing compared to other schools in the area. It will also help to determine problems with individuals that may not be picked up otherwise and to provide some insight into problems in particular cultural and socio economic areas. To me it sounds like a wonderful idea, a no-brainer as it were, but the level of opposition from shools and left of centre political parties is enormous. Apparently the head of primary schools in Auckland has recommended that all of his schools boycott the whole process and the ministry of education seems powerless to do much about it. After following the debate in the media I must confess to be basically ignorant as to the reason for the outrage. As far as I can tell, no-one has offered a cogent reason for not adopting the system. Can any of you offer any reasons why the introduction of national standards would not be a mistake? --DamoHi 20:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They dunnit here (UK) & it went berserk: tests at all ages & schools fighting for ratings. No allowances made for e.g. one school beng heavily immigrant with another being middle class. There's also the "being taught - not to learn - but to pass tests" aspect. Pressure on teachers and pupils gone mad (not that I've any special love of teachers) 20:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * The British Government places great importance on the need to assess and test pupils in order to know what they have achieved. Compulsory testing takes place at the ages of seven, eleven and fourteen in England and Scotland (but not Wales where more informal methods of assessment are favoured).

All children in state schools are tested in English and mathematics at the ages of seven, 11 and 14, and pupils aged 11 and 14 are also tested in science.

Most young people take GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) examinations at sixteen, and many take vocational qualifications, A/S and A levels (Advanced levels), at seventeen and eighteen.
 * From t'web. See also: this. 20:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I accept that there may be issues with "teaching to the test" although I suspect that such a phenomenon is likely to be much more common in high school where the results are important to the students. Under this proposal it is really the schools that are being tested, not the students.  I think part of the idea is to discover potential areas of concern within areas so they can be corrected, therefore a school that is full of immigrants will score lower than other schools and so will obtain higher resources to deal with the shortfall.  As I understand it, the proposal does not link funding to good results, rather it will indicate where more funding is required.  In any case, many parents have a choice of 2 or 3 schools in their area (presumably all with similar socio economic status) and so having a guide to determine which school is better must be a good idea.  Let marketplace pressures force backward schools to improve (or something like that anyway).  DamoHi 07:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In the UK the children's results were used to rank schools, this then meant that parents tried to get their children into those schools which were though to be better, going so far as to move house or even lie about their home address. As children whose parents take a greater interest in their kids' education tend to do better this leads to greater disparity between "good" and "bad" schools. Faith schools often had good track records so many parents would be obliged to go to church solely to get their kids into the better ranking school. Some schools were then left with the dregs and seen as underperforming with the teachers catching the flak. 10:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It had surprising effects: house prices inside a "good school's" catchment area rose disproportionately. The "teaching to the test" effect was apparently more pronounced in lower (up to 11 y.o.) schools. The difference being that exams had always been a feature of secondary (high) schools. 11:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

Make me a sysop?
click edit to see usual MC trollery... Real first name and last initial (talk) 14:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Usual MC twatness follows:

Please? 86.40.200.55 (talk) 11:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You see, you deleted pages last time we made you a sysop and the time before that you blocked people in a non-fun way. 12:02, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The deleted pages are `100% explainable if you give me the opportunity. And the blocks were aimed at Susan, who was masquerading as Toast, and were never longer than 31 seconds. 86.40.200.55 (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This exposes that as a lie. Really MC you have nobody but yourself to blame. If you go around crapping on everyone you can hardly complain if they then lock you in the toilet. 12:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Then there was the whole, "ha ha I am a troll" thing. 12:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As I've said, that wasn't me. Gerard is censoring me again. 86.40.107.140 (talk) 12:25, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are EdmundBurke again now? 12:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are intent on criticising the effect, but ignore the causes. You do so at your peril. 86.40.196.59 (talk) 12:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What is going to happen to me? 12:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * its not so much as what will happen to you but what will happen to the universe. Having such a loose relationship with cause and effect will lead to misinformation. And from such inconsistencies, the lifeblood of revolution and liberty will flow. 86.40.104.249 (talk) 12:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! Bondurant (talk) 12:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Silence, cretin. You are the creature of the system that fails to know his place. 86.45.199.92 (talk) 12:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Aww someone silenced you. Bless. Bondurant (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Go fuck yourself and make me a sysop. 86.40.99.116 (talk) 13:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd vote for you to be given sysop status, Edmund (or whoever you are), if you could at least demonstrate some civility to the users here (aside from your "discussions" that are going on between you and David Gerard - I don't care about personal spats). There's no need for you go be going around using cuss words like a teenager who's just discovered the word "fuck". Bondurant (talk) 16:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I vote that he is a teenager who's just learnt the word "fuck". 18:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering human has such massive respect for MC, I vote human sysops him, and then when it all goes tits up we block the pair of them. 18:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * }
 * A sysop can hardly do any more damage than a bunchanumbers, and the "rights" can be taken away again the moment he tries anything hinky or starts trolling users who don't want to be trolled. Maybe it'll do us good to have an anti-'crat around here. To use a football comentators cliche, it keeps us honest. Bondurant (talk) 18:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, we tried that before and then he went on a deletion spree. Why the fuck on Earth should we try again? Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? 18:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologise forbeing such a twat. FUCK SHIT CUNT PISS - 86.40.ei.&pi; (talk)
 * Oh for Gods sake Goonie. Although this will be deleted, as every time I tell the truth about this it gets reverted and hidden, you know as well as I do that the deletion spree was not malicious in any fucking way, so stop perpetuating that lie. I knew I was going to lose my sysop powers at that stage, so it was one great last hurrah. Don't ignore the context, it makes you look like the idiot you are. 86.40.106.164 (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Hover
When you hover over a page link (I suspect you need a gadget to see it) the title & first line appears in the hover box. Over mine (at least to me) there's also a piccy :File:TerrySmall.png. Where does the wikistuff get the info for the piccy? Also, hovering over Saloon Bar gives a rather unlovely picture of a smiley squeezing a tube of toothpaste File:Wank.gif, why? 20:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Must be your browser, mine does neither. 22:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Your browser is prefetching everything in links. This is supposed to make your web experience quicker, ie any link you may want to click is already in your cache. In some ways that was a good idea in the days of dial-up, but browsing wiki-type pages with possibly hundreds of links it just fills your cache up and possibly collects cookies from external sites too. It's fairly easy to turn off in most sensible browsers. 82.23.208.15 (talk) 04:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Atheism and the World Cup
I want to take a look at Andy's "hypothesis" that atheism leads to World Cup losses, though to do this I need to know what constitutes an atheist country in Andy's mind. We know England is one (one which Andy has already written off as a failure because they tied the US, though they still made it through the first round). Is the Netherlands? They seem to be doing quite well. France and Italy (knocked out of the game now) are generally seen as quite Catholic, but they're part of that socialist EU, so perhaps they really are atheist? I just know Andy is going to change the parameters to align with what he already thinks (when the US is defeated, he'll blame Obama), but I'd like to see how this plays out. As I see it we have:
 * North America:
 * USA: God's chosen country - advancing to next round
 * Mexico: Catholic - advancing to next round
 * Honduras: Catholic, but bordering Nicaragua, so commie through diffusion - not advancing
 * South America - All Catholic, all advancing ( uncliched by Chile so far, due to the loss of Pinochet )
 * Europe:
 * Denmark: atheist - not advancing
 * England: atheist - advancing, but underperforming
 * Germany: atheist if they lose, Christian if they win - advancing, too early to call their actual religious views though
 * France: socialist - not advancing
 * Spain: Catholic, if they make it, socialist if they don't (with a score of 2-1, they're looking pretty Catholic) Catholic - advancing
 * Portugal: See Spain Catholic - advancing
 * Switzerland: atheist, especially if they don't win
 * Greece: socialist, not advancing
 * Serbia: part of that mess in the Balkans, hard to pigeonhole - not advancing
 * Slovakia: Christian - advancing
 * Slovenia: must be somewhat atheistic, not advancing
 * Africa: all only here because of affirmative action - only one advancing (proving affirmative action is bad); Ghana, he advancing country, is predominantly Christian
 * Asia/Oceania:
 * North Korea: atheist - lost badly
 * South Korea: Christian / Buddhist - advancing
 * Japan: theist - advancing, but not Christian, so they won't get much farther
 * Australia: atheist - not advancing
 * New Zealand: atheist - not advancing (but performing "credibly", according to atheists)

So it looks like Christians win and atheist lose, unless they don't and it's liberals' fault. DickTurpis (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, some of these stats are dated already. Got distracted in the writing of this, and all the games seem to be over now. DickTurpis (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Japan did advance, they'll be facing Catholic Paraguay in the round of 16. Unfortunately, Switzerland did not, despite the fact that it's rather conservative compared to European atheist/commie standards. Röstigraben (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't be atheist then. I'll have to make adjustments. DickTurpis (talk) 21:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so the only country left that couldn't possibly be relabeled as Christian is Japan - guess I'll be rooting for them. Banzai! Röstigraben (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And England. Andy is too heavily invested in their atheism to suddenly reverse and call them Anglican or something. DickTurpis (talk) 21:38, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Addendum: Notable absences
 * Countries/regions that did not even make the cut:
 * China: atheistic
 * Middle East: Muslim
 * Russia: atheist
 * Canada: socialist
 * Scandinavia (sans Denmark): socialist/atheist
 * Venezuela: commie
 * Cuba: commie
 * Kenya: Muslim (disregarding the Christian majority; the world's most famous Muslim was born there)
 * India: polytheistic mumbo-jumbo; might as well be atheist
 * Further proof that Christians are better at everything. DickTurpis (talk) 21:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

The official Turpis Andy-o-Meter predicts the next round

 * Uruguay/South Korea: Uruguay. More Christian (though the rise of Christianity in South Korea will make the game close, and in 4 years they will do even better); odds 7/5
 * US/Ghana: US, obviously; odds 99/1
 * Netherlands/Slovakia: Slovakia, less atheism; odds 2/1
 * Brazil/Chile: Brazil, unless Pinochet returns, in which case Chile; odds 2/1
 * Argentina/Mexico: Argentina: there are few Mexicans left in the country as they have mostly illegally emigrated; odds 3/1
 * Germany/England: this game will certainly be atheistic England's Waterloo; odds 20/1
 * Paraguay/Japan: the Catholic Paraguay will win; odds 10/1
 * Spain/Portugal: Trick question, "Portugal" is just another word for Spain
 * Place your bets. DickTurpis (talk) 22:10, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't this really be either at forum:sport or talk wigo CP? 03:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably.


 * If you're a VENUE FASCIST!!!!! DickTurpis (talk) 10:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Seriously, though, I think I thought I might have been in WiGO CP talk when I wrote this. I get lost sometimes. DickTurpis (talk) 10:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Ghana 2 USA 1 in extra time. How much extra time do they play? 20:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No idea here. I'm ignorant about this sporty thing in general. But if things stay as they are the Andy-o-meter seems to need calibration. Wait, did Obama perhaps call the team and wish them good luck right before the game, completely demoralizing them? That must be it. No team could recover from something like that. DickTurpis (talk) 20:35, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The psychic octapus says that Germany will win, if that's of any help. Sen (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm with the octopus, here's keeping my fingers crossed for a penalty shootout. Well, off to watch the game now! Röstigraben (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that the octopus was right. WHERE IS YOUR ATHEIST GOD NOW??? Sen (talk) 20:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Breaking news
I hate soccer, but the US was just eliminated from the World Cup by Ghana. 21:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Lame. I was hoping going against Ghana would give us better odds.   And it probably did.   In other news, we're now an Atheist Nation, yes?  Quaru (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

RationalWiki Boredom Project
I have read all of mainspace. o_0 And much of Conservapedia: space. Essay: space was a waste of my brain. I would only approach Fun: space with a large axe.

There's quite a bit of the Annotated Bible still in need of annotation.

So. If you're terminally fucking bored and feel like breaking Human's wiki ... - David Gerard (talk) 17:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what's worse, 200 hours of porn or... :D --Alienfromspace (talk) 18:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Work on the annotated Bible = interesting reading. 200 hours of porn = very sore nuts and possibility of friction burns. ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 20:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now you can work your way through 1600 SMBC comics! 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The power of prayer!
When England were 2-0 down, the commentators noted that Fabio seemed to be praying and perhaps that was all that could save us now. Then we got our goal, and our other kinda-sorta goal. Maybe there's something to this atheistic = sucking theory :D -- 14:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not implausible that thinking that you have god on your side would make you more confident and hence play better. 14:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there a footy match on? 15:02, 27 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * You poser! I know you're watching. -- 15:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No! On my honour as a devout anti-sportite, Yer Honour! I didn't know what time it was on & went walkies, got back too early obviously. 15:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Germany are clearly just slightly less atheistic than England. X Stickman (talk) 15:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Another bit of commentary, "The german fans are crying "Ole!" on every pass." Curse you, Conservapedia, and what you've done to my brain. -- 15:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn, that match was epic. I was hoping I'd be able to brag about our superior atheismo afterwards, but the referee being suddenly struck with blindness when Lampard's shot bounced off into the net actually supports Andy's hypothesis of divine intervention in the World Cup. Anyway, here's to the best match of the competition so far! Röstigraben (talk) 17:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Remember Wembley!
The Wembley-curse is still working!

Apologize, England, and you might win a game against Germany again!

sincerely,

A very drunk Gmb (talk) 18:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I take it England lost? Who were they playing? 19:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Germany, in the first decent game of this disappointing world cup Gmb (talk) 19:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

US Health care
US is BOTTOM of the league see here and here. (The Commonwealth fund is US (New York) based.) Hat tip 20:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw this in the Indie earlier in the week and thought about posting it here. But then I looked up the Commonwealth Fund and saw that it is hardly non-partisan on the issue of health care reform, much as I believe their results. Bondurant (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Their figures are from independent sources though (?). 21:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

It GAWZILLRAH!!!
I got a set of Ultraman dvds. Is the original series from the sixties (dub done by the cast of speed racer) any good?--Thanatos (talk) 02:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course it isn't. That's why you watch it! --Kels (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Xtianity founded science
Oh no it didn't| 22:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Surely this is a better link. 08:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Much better, but I liked the graph being the first thing you see rather than waaaaay down. 15:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Following a few links I discovered this good commentary on a Catholic writer who tried to rebut the original (admittedly flawed) version of the article. I'm not an expert on these matters but it would have been enlightening to see what was changed. Maybe we should try something similar here. 09:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent: Half way through reading it. 10:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

Cats & Ice Cream
This is a community alert! Do not leave ice cream half made (i.e. after first chill and during stirring) out where a cat, moggy or other feline can get at it: The will appear in the living room with cream on their whiskers and fall asleep, sated. 22:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignore the above post. Cat (talk) 13:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

On MC's quiz
I am a Tetronian. This was a lot of effort just to troll. I think he deserves a round of applause. 23:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What kind of idiotic loser makes something like this to bash a website? Oh wait, I seem to have forgotten whom we are talking about. 23:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Glasshouse. 01:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bahahaha what an epic and unmitigated failure! Gave me a hell of a laugh though! It just fails so badly. Acei9 23:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously, though, what kind of pathetic dolt is that fucking obsessed with our website? How much of a loser do you have to be? He, just now, made himself look even more like the virgin, zit-faced Trekkie we all know he is. Absolutely pathetic. 23:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is probably the best thing Marcus has ever done. Not that it's a terribly high bar to clear. DickTurpis (talk) 23:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, when you're as much of a loser as he is, you can only go up, right? 23:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Troll. Waving arms. Don't feed it. 00:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have tried several times to get Ace McWicked but can't. Perhaps I haven't been added. Acei9 00:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been trying to get AKjeldsen all day. What gives? DickTurpis (talk) 00:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Funny thing is, I tried to score and MC, and all I got was a Human. Oh well. 00:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I signed in as anonymous, only two questions' answers really reflected my opinion, and yet I still wound up as... Human!  01:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The six possible results are listed below the verdict at the end. 01:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (EC)Ace isn't a result. You can only be Tentronian, Goonie, Human, Susan, Nx/RA, and David Gerard. I think you get Susan if you answer yes to hating religious people regardless of the other questions. The test needs a lot of work, for starts that is not a very good cross section of the editors here a lot of them have very similar attitudes to trolling. Also the sample questions on deal with things MC cares about; how they react to trolling, stance on religion, whether they like templates or not. There are definitely far more issues that would distinguish between even those six, never mind other people. Suggestions to help him improve? 01:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm SusanG..  I still don't know what a 'MC' is...Quaru (talk) 02:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Major Cunt. BTW, Tentronian--Thanatos (talk) 02:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a SusanG. Yeah, I hate religious people. Senator Harrison (talk) 03:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of insulted. I answered truthfully and kept getting Tetronian.  (And why do I get lumped with Nx?  I invented ruining this wiki.)   05:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I thought that I'd end up as a SusanG (Morons!) but got RaNx. Of course the quiz reveals more about the setter than any who bothered to answer the questions. I'm disappointed that there wasn't a MarcusCicero in the results, it would have been interesting to see how he identifies himself because it was rather boring and stereotyped.  06:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * RA/Nx as well, even though I selected the (first) anti-religion answer. I'd better learn how to make templates. Röstigraben (talk) 06:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Would you like me to upload a pie chart of the results? 86.40.216.170 (talk) 09:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)By the way, if you answered in question 1, 'make an emotive appeal for calm' and combined this with the last question 'I just wish people were nice' then you end up as Tetronian'. To be Susan you need to combine the 'leaving and never coming back' card with 'religious people are morons'. For Human you need to play the 'pick up your sword and fight for what is right' and when asked 'does this site need more rules' you say less rules. Gerard is when you 'revert and block' and require more rules. 86.40.216.170 (talk) 09:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. 09:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Crundy - you are too insignificant and hysterical to be an option on this quiz. 86.40.216.170 (talk) 09:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that's my life in ruins. 09:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * graphMC.JPG
 * Acei9 09:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Tetronian. Why aren't I am option? EddyP (talk) 10:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems I'm a Humming too. Who knew. At least I know there isn't a Psy on his list. I'm too nice... and insignificant. *sniff* -- PsyGremlin  10:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The quiz says I'm a "power top." 10:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Every time I try and fill the quiz in it tries to stick its thumb up my arse. I guess MC left some personal code in there somewhere. 10:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like McBerk has left his ivory tower and gone back to his mammy for the summer. Unfortunately he has become bored/boring very quickly. 13:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The Quiz In Full
Jack Hughes (talk) 14:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * MC is
 * Godlike
 * Infallible
 * Just plain wonderful
 * All other RW members are
 * Fucking Cunts
 * Total Wankers
 * Fascist Arseholes
 * RW as a whole is
 * A Totalitarian state run by Human
 * An anti-religious totalitarian state run by SusanG
 * An anti MC totalitarian state that won't let me play
 * I hate RW because
 * They laugh at me
 * They don't take me seriously
 * I can't get out of the vandal bin
 * They still don't take me seriously
 * I'm better than they are and I can't get them to take me seriously
 * Nobody takes me seriously

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Hitler rants about Vuvuzelas at the World Cup. BIZZZZZZZZ. 01:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

o===========<♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪ P-Foster (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * As a Sauff Effriken I just want to say that the only thing worse that the refereeing at WC2010 is the vuvuzela. I'm tired of being deafened at the games. -- PsyGremlin  09:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

NJ Recall site
AFAIK, still nothing on the court decision. They're setting up a new website though; in the meantime, have a look at what happened to the old one. EddyP (talk) 10:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have grab a picture for the memories. 10:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

England jokes
Post below this line: What have Frank Lampard's goal and the Nazi regime got in common? If you're German, they both never happened. 11:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Substituting Defoe for Heskey when you need goals? That's like switching off the porn when you fancy a wank. 11:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget all the hilarious Facebook ones people are joining now. "England are guna win the world cup, LOL jk, they're shit." "Maybe, Just Maybe! LOL JK." "I can tell when the balls over the line!! LOL, jk I'm a Uruguayan linesman" 11:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Stupid facebook.
 * No wonder Rooney's been scoring in training, as Capello claims. He's been playing against England's defence. 12:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ahem... Gmb (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, those wacky...
... North Koreans?

MDB (talk) 14:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Countdown to conserva-gasm in...
...five.

Four.

Three.

Two.

One.

The Supremes ruled that Chicago's gun ban is unconstitutional. MDB (talk) 14:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah.. in Flint here, we have a gun ban, and it's supposed to be "fixed" this week, as it's counter to state law.   We have the ability to carry a non-concealed weapon here, by state law.   I'm not totally sure of the details, I only caught the brief blurb on the news last night..  Quaru (talk) 15:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You live in North Wales? 15:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No..  Flint, MI..   Like in Michael Moore's films..   Here's link to Flint's problems.     And, living in one of the most violent cities in the US for the win!!!  Quaru (talk) 15:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Here we go. You can also picture Andy using his mostly defensive weapon of gun to fire off a few celebratory rounds. MDB (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm 95% confident that 95% of gun owners only use their guns for firing in the air in celebration. So shouldn't it be "mostly celebratory weapon of gun"?-- 15:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * At least I have been informed where to look for "the best analysis"! 00:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Tornados and floods
So I was at an outdoor event earlier this evening, and it started pouring rain a few hours after we arrived. Within minutes, storms rolled in and we were all caught outside (in my case, about a mile walk from my car) with severe thunderstorms. I finally got in my car with my friends and drove back to their house. About 10 minutes after arriving, we were listening to the radio and they issued a tornado warning for their area just west of us, with the tornado on the ground heading southeast. Undetered, as I was heading north west, just around the storm, I get on the freeway and hear that, one by one, the highways around me were being closed for flooding. Thankfully, I got far enough to where I could use the side streets after a few minutes, but even those had flashflooding to the point where I could visably see the water on the streets rising. After about an hour, I finally arrived home, but let's just say that the drive from the event to my friends' house and then back home was one of the most nerve-racking experiences I've had to date. 05:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A couple of years ago I was having lunch with a group friends in the country on a hot summer day. To keep cool we dined indoors - it was fortunate that we did as out of the blue a big thunderstorm brewed up and chucked it down in buckets. It was only after about 45 minutes of torrential rain that on of the blokes suddenly realised "Shit, I've left my sun-roof open". Oh what laugh we all had about it. 07:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I made the same mistake last week. Not sunroof,  but windows, and rain blew in from everywhere.  08:02, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The worst part about Saturday night was not the tornados, nor was it the flashfloods. It was the fact that I happened upon, by shear accident, a Village People concert. That part was absolutely horrifying. 03:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

4th July
Over in the UK we really know how to mark the day! 18:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought you celebrated it as "the day we got rid of the damn Yanks." MDB (talk) 12:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "The day we got rid of the damn Yanks", reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons about the lemon tree, with the old man at the end in Shelbyville proclaiming that they chased the lemon tree out of town because it was haunted. 13:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I find it amusing that the New Hampshire State Liquor Store system (socialist cheap booze) takes virtually no holydaze off. They will be open on Dimanche Quattre Juillet, for example, and will ignore the Federal Lundi holydaze.  They are, however, closed two days a year - Esther and Jule.  Bizarre pagans.  03:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Kagan Hearings
Okay, place yer bets now...

Who will be the first Senator on the Judiciary committee to ask about or hint at Kagan's sexuality? MDB (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * None. I win. 09:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going then.
No sex in space 18:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * in fairness, that only applies to "professionals" in nasa.  since we're neither, space, here i come!!!   Quaru (talk) 20:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to pack your 2suit.  06:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Effortless intimacy"? I get a lot of that from blokes back here on planet Earth. 10:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm quite impressed with the euphemisms in that Wiki article. 15:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

New Motto?
From Randompics.net -- Ravenhull (talk) 08:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I hate to be rude (or do I rude to be hate?), but that was the most boring, lamest link I followed all day - nay, all week. Oh well, thanks for trying to help?  09:15, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well 'meh' to you too... see if I ever try to find a funny... not that I care what y'all think... mutter mutter mutter... -- Ravenhull (talk) 10:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Pharyngulated
. She's also a NON-BELIEVER! Shock! Horror! 11:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You missed the fun a few years ago when this redneck senator from Queensland called her "deliberately barren". 12:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh! Yeaah, I just googled delberately barren - quite a bollock dropped there! 12:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * If I can find a copy of the video of Heffernan running away from reports giggling like a school girl I am going to right one hell of an article on him. 12:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

More Pharyngulation!
- and this time there's three to go at 17:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Copenhagen Declaration on Religion in Public Life
Also here ("Please circulate this as widely as you can among people and groups who advocate a secular society" - think that covers copyright[?])

PZ was recently in Copenhagen (for you Mericans, that's in Europe or somewhere - not USofA, anyhow) at an atheist conference (& booze up) and they've come up with this: 15:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * All good, sensible policies but what's all this nonsense about abolishing slavery? 15:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I note this point:


 * "We reject all discrimination in employment (other than for religious leaders) and the provision of social services on the grounds of race, religion or belief, gender, class, caste or sexual orientation."


 * Okay, obviously, a church should have the right to "discriminate" on the basis of religion when hiring it's leaders. Anyone can see it would be ridiculous for, say, an Orthodox Jew to sue the local Archdiocese for not hiring him to be a priest.


 * However, what about non-leadership positions? Let's say insert name of church that takes a social stance you agree with is hiring someone for their IT department. Bob is well-qualified for the position. However, Bob is a member of a church that takes a position strongly opposed to social stance you agree with. Should the church be able to refuse to hire Bob on that basis?


 * Take it a step further -- what if Bob is a member of an entirely different religion, or is an atheist? Should the church be able to say "sorry, we only hire people who share our faith"?


 * Or in either case, what if Bob says, "I'll keep my personal beliefs out of the office"? Should the church be able to make that a condition of employment? MDB (talk) 15:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems that discrimination should be restricted only to jobs that require religious practice, which an IT post isn't. Unless they want to install Ubuntu CE. 16:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is typical self righteousness cosmopolitan blowhard-ism. 86.40.201.0 (talk) 16:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if you allow the right of a church to discriminate on those grounds, then there's no point in any other anti-discrimination stances. But the line between what constituents a "religious leader" and what is just a lacky doing the IT is a bit blurred. 16:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gee, and I picked "IT" so I could get something as far away from the church leadership I could come up with. But there are certainly positions that aren't strictly leadership that would still require someone to hold to the church's values -- say, someone answering a prayer line. MDB (talk) 16:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why let 'em even discriminate for the clergy? It'd be no end of good for the god squad to come to realisation that there's no difference between the job performance of the earnest hypocrite and the true believer. Might make them wonder how many of the clergy they have now don't even believe what they say. -- 16:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As it happens this very issue does come up in Spain form time to time. There are schools here which are completely controlled by the Catholic Church. They want to only employ Catholic teachers and especially in classes associated with social issues or religion.  But the state doesn't see it that way.--BobSpring is sprung! 19:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, what'd I touch?
I've been promoted to reviewer at WP and I haven't even done anything. Looks a bit rum to me. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I imagine that as they're putting in flagged revisions, to clear the backlog they'll basically give "reviewer" rights as freely as RW gives out sysop rights. 16:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a secret list of other candidates. 16:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Think you might be possessed by a demon?
Take this handy-dandy quiz and find out for sure! (Viral marketing, see here)

It seems I'm posssessed by a demon known as MIITAKK. Miitakk is the demon of complacence and slothfulness – many initially afflicted with this demon stop making an effort in any aspect of their lives. Without exorcism or care of any kind those possessed by Miitakk will suffer from bedsores, atrophy of the limbs and other ailments of the immobile. Signs: often those possessed by Miitakk take on a nearly catatonic state, and it is difficult to get them to respond. However, if the afflicted is prodded too much, they can suddenly become violent. Touching cool water causes those possessed by this demon to feel a burning sensation. MDB (talk) 16:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ALKALA: Alkala is known as the demon of gross indulgence and lust. He preys on the weak of spirit and those who would too easily give into their desires – some traits of this demon can include drinking too much, drug, sex, gambling or other addictions. Signs: A person possessed by Alkala will have skin that feels hot to the touch, but lips that are ice cold, and may speak in ancient Aramaic - Nice! 16:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Me too. By the way, what constitutes "an inordinate amount of time spent on the internet"? 02:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs more grimoire background and gothic font. Please tell me this is a poe. Please. -- 16:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh! You may be afflicted with a demon known as PIRJU

Pirju is the demon of rage and violence. It is fire and destruction he wishes to rain on the good and innocent. He can drive peaceful, kind people to rage against any perceived affront and to become violent at the drop of a hat. Signs: those afflicted with Pirju will have a purple, swollen tongue. In addition to being enraged, they will shriek at an extremely high volume. Their pupils can turn the color of blood. They will tend to cut or tear at their own flesh if given the chance – keep all sharp implements away from them.
 * (randomish choices)
 * Done honestly I'm MIITAKK (hhow ddo yyou ppronounce "KK"? 16:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I sometimes get possessed by the demon DRINKK. 16:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's one sign that leads me to believe it is a Poe -- there's nothing I can find on the site about the location of the church -- not even a city and state, much less a street address. Most churches list that pretty promimently. MDB (talk) 16:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (EC)Seems to be PR for a movie. MIITAKK for me, BTW. Röstigraben (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You may be afflicted with a demon known as KATAL. Katal is the demon of jealousy and bitterness – he's the spitting image of Lucifer his master who rebelled against the true God. He finds his way into the hearts of those who are envious of those around them, who think ill of family, friends and neighbors. Signs: those possessed by Katal will have violent mood swings, they will have a cold, clammy sweat and most frighteningly, may bleed from the eyes. Those around the possessed may hear a menacing, whispered voice with no obvious source. - Like, cool. Sen (talk) 16:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I filled it in for the Assfly. He's possessed by Katal too. This explains so much about him. -- 16:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I received a strange email earlier today with a link to a website located at churchofstmarks.com. I didn't think much of it at first, but then I saw Bloody-Disgusting mention the site as well, and it turns out it's part of a new viral. Reverend Cotton Marcus is one of the main characters from the Eli Roth produced horror faux-documentary The Last Exorcism (watch the trailer). The site.. 16:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That explains why I learned about it in a gmail ad. MDB (talk) 16:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yay, I am free from demonic possession. Woo hoo. 17:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

More article ratings
Been throwing silvers and bronzes around with homoerotic abandon. Just suggested Water memory and Phyllis Schlafly for silver - thoughts welcome on talk pages.

Also, do please glance over Category:Bronze-level articles for silverable things, and Category:Silver-level articles for cover prospects. When was the last new cover article? We need something fresh there - David Gerard (talk) 23:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

ClueBot
Any chance we can install this? Would make our lives a bit easier when it comes to spamming / wandalism. 14:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nx or Trent would have to do it, since it's in PHP, for one thing. 15:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are also lots of hardcoded references to WP, which would need to be replaced. 15:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a bit poor. Find/replace job? 15:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Should do, although WP uses a newer version of MW than us, and that source actually makes me feel nauseous. 16:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What does it do?  17:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It reverts vandalism. 18:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just a spam filter, really.. certain terms are given a values, positive and negative, when it gets past a certain amount, it's marked spam(or vandalism), and reverted.  Quaru (talk) 18:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. If we install that here, you all know what the new hobby will be on RW - figuring out how to trigger it in ways that ECs other editors...  00:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we have a pythonscript copy in the pywikipedia file I got Pibot out of, along with a copy of sinebot if anyone is interested. Nx could set it up on the bot server, or I could vandalise it for a bit. 00:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think cluebot actually might be multiple pythonscripts, one looking for spam, another looking at edits by known proxies etc. 00:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Does that mean it would need checkuser rights? &mdash; Unsigned, by: Lily / talk / contribs
 * I suspect not, it just seems to monitor a few IP address for anonymous editing. I haven't looked into it, but I suspect it just has a lower tolerance on their edits. It will just trigger a revert for something that has a lower statistical likelihood of being vandalism than other editors. 06:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you can also just quickly rollback a change if it gets it wrong, so it isn't high impact. 10:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems that it would pick up and automatically revert random strings of bad language.--BobSpring is sprung! 19:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There goes our fucking bar. And most of our user talk pages.  And half our snartikles...  03:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be interesting to know what it does and doesn't consider vandalism. Although my I propose the name Rouge Admin for its account if we want it? 03:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this thing related to the Conservapedia guard dog?  07:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you configure it to just watch mainspace articles? 08:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Call to ban homeopathy from NHS
'Homeopathy is not witchcraft, it is nonsense on stilts,' said one doctor. About bloody time, too. 17:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * the Guardian has a nice photo-gallery of alternative therapies. Warning! - Picture 11 might frighten those of a nervous disposition. 18:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Aaaaarghhhhh. NSFW! Horrid, truly horrid. 19:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Oooh, nasty. I thought "the call" came pretty much as soon as the Sci/Tech select committee made its decision in Februrary? Anyway, that Tom Dolphin quote is excellent. 19:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wtf? Never heard of apitherapy before. That's got to be one of the most stupid (and cruel, to the bees) treatments out there. Should we have an article on it? 08:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Most definitely, do we have all the rest covered? 09:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've stubbed it. I'll try and dig up some info from woo sites. 09:50, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Dame Phyllis
Rootling round WP I found this. Phyllis Schlafly is a "Dame of Malta". Now I've never heard of it before but "The goal is to assist the elderly, handicapped, refugeed, children, homeless, those with terminal illness and leprosy in five continents of the world, without distinction of race or religion". Others include our own lovely[not] Princess Michael of Kent and Shirley Temple. Anyone know how & when she got "Damed" or whatever. There's no mention in our article. 00:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's not forget that in a Holy Blood, Holy Grail like way - "Also a member of the "sacred bloodline" is Phyllis Schlafly... Prior to her marriage to Fred Schlafly, Phyllis Schlafly was Phyllis Bruce Stewart, making her a blueblood of both the Bruce and Stewart lineages." (from THE CONSPIRACY WAS STRONG Part II: BRITISH-ISRAELISM). Look at the home page for that and you will also see “JUDEO-CHRISTIAN” THEOCRACY, FRONTS FOR INTERNATIONAL BANKING cartel, Barack Obama: Ethiopian Hebrew, Ron Paul: Rosicrucian.  08:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Good afternoon, Prime Minister
Yesterday, in between booking flights and visiting the post office, I walked directly into the New Zealand Prime Minister, John Key. While I didn't actually say "Good afternoon, Prime Minister" I did say "excuse me" and carried on with my day - as did he. Upon reflection I realised just what a nice thing this was. There is NZ's top man wandering down the street on his way to get some lunch without having to worry about being shot, harangued or mobbed. And while he did have a single security person hanging about 10 feet behind him there was really no need. Unless it is an offical proceeding people seem to realise he is on his lunch break and enjoying his own time so they just leave him alone. I couldn't think of any other country wherein the same thing would tranpsire. Acei9 07:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I dunno, Iceland perhaps? Also the security guy must have been pretty useless if he let Ace bump into the PM. Were you sober? 07:50, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you not invite him for a pint? 08:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice at Ace, and triple nice at Crundy. 08:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * @Lily: I was dead sober. Its pretty cool though, another reason I like living here in NZ as opposed to other countries I have visited/resided in. Open politics, open public/journalistic scrutnity (politicians here have a very hard time getting away with, well, anything), you can walk into parliament any day the house is sitting and watch it all live inside the debating chamber. For a politics/journalism nerd like myself it's a good atmosphere. Acei9 09:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds a lot nicer than Britain, where our Prime Minister cycles to work to look healthy and then gets his paperwork driven with him in the car behind him. I'm reminded of the Flight of the Conchords episode where the NZ Prime Minister goes around saying "Hi, I'm Brian, I'm the Prime Minister of New Zealand. Here's my card." "This card says John." "That was the old Prime Minister, he had 500 of them made, we can't just throw them out!" 11:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought John Major used to be a regular at the Oval without much in the way of security. I may be mistaken about that though.-- 14:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * John Major was just too dull to hate. Bondurant (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "More peas, Norma?" 15:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's great when politicians don't lose the common touch. Unlike our mob here, who drive around in convoys with blue flashing lights. Maybe if their time keeping was better, or they weren't such a bunch of lard-asses, they wouldn't need to go tearing through red traffic lights. makes me sick when civil servants forget their should be civil and serve. Bloody banana republic. -- PsyGremlin  15:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You should start a blue-bucket protest. 19:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Goldsmith's first advice to Blair declassified
- actual document here PDF 15:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)



15:32, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure he must have been pressured to "reconsider" his opinion, or else find a new career. I'm reminded of the line from Catch-22, "Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing." Bondurant (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Spot the diff
Russian "spy" v Avenger 16:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Homeopathy
20:32, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I added it to the relevant article as it's pretty much a good enough summary of everything you need to know. 13:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Automatically marking edits as patrolled...
Is there something I'm not seeing in my preferences that will let me automatically mark red-exclamation-marked edits as "patrolled" when I look at them? P-Foster (talk) 06:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No you have to actually mark them as patrolled. 07:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They also become patrolled when you edit that page. But really, it's just a button, not too much time is it? 12:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Tea Party Jesus
Take the words of Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin and other crazed Tea Partiers, mix them with images of Jesus and what do you get? Tea Party Jesus!. Hours of fun! Acei9 21:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Do we need/have a page like this?
Somebody just dropped this link as a welcome message on a BON's talk page. We should have our own instead of linking to some other obscure website's. P-Foster (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We have template:welcome/IP for BONs. 23:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean like this. 08:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Obama and the US Constitution
A common thread espoused by right-wingers is that Obama has broken, or gone directly against, the US Constitution. I know a lot about the Constitution, for a foreigner anyway, and I wonder if any of these people that claim Obama has broken the Constitution actually know anything about it at all. There was that awesome Onion article (Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be) but to be clear - Obama hasn't done nothing in adversarial to the Constitution, am I right? Acei9 22:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there are two schools of thought here:
 * A. Some people like myself would allege that it is unconstitutional to engage in domestic spying without proper warrants, and that the whole FISA Court thing is a sham designed to gild what is fundamentally an assertion that the secrecy of state is more important than the constitutional guarantees of being able to face an accuser, demand to see the proof, and so on - an assertion that might be accurate but is not based in law.
 * B. Other people like Glenn Beck think that the mandate portion of national health care as well as various other nebulously-defined programs of evil are unconstitutional, although this is more strictly an overstepping of legislative branch authority and not the executive.
 * I'm sure some people might disagree or have additional charges (Erick Erickson at Redstate.com has at least three dozen) but those seem to be the "serious" schools of thought.-- 07:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * C. The POTUS is required to be a natural born US citizen.  Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya.  It's also interesting to note that in the case of the examples in "A", these people weren't screaming at the guy who started all those practices.  00:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Illuminating. So, short answer is - No, not really. Acei9 00:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ace, as middle aged white guy living in the very heart of wingnut-ville I can tell you that Obama is a threat to the consitution in the following ways:

So, as you see, there are sensible and valid reasons to beleive that Obama is destroying our country. Please revise your opinion accordingly. Me!<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh! <font color="#6ff6633">Mine! 13:34, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) He is a black man
 * 2) He is a democrat
 * 3) The wing nut media says he is a threat to the consitution.

Oh yeah
We've all been here. - David Gerard (talk) 23:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice! 23:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * E pur si muove! (That would make for a nice motto actually) Sen (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know I've been there... Quaru (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's Latin for "IT'S A FUCKING SQUARE!", right? - David Gerard (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's a rhombus... 12:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you need to put it into perspective. 08:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Not content to let the poms have all fun....
....NZ gets in on the act. Acei9 21:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ace! 21:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I was slightly surprised to see 1/4 of NZer's identify as atheist. Acei9 21:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just discovered the billboard across the road from my office reads - "In the beginning, man created God - There probably is no god now stop worrying and enjoy your life". Awesome. Acei9 00:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Piccy? 07:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually isn't NZ a bit late to the game (seems like they missed the bus) as I believe Canada, Italy, Spain and quite a few more have already done this as well as the UK. 08:21, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Quiet Lily. NZ is a trend setter. We introduced Hobbit chic to the world. Acei9 00:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Jehovah's Witness Joke
I can't stand those interfering people who bang on your door and tell you how you need to be "saved" or you'll "burn"?

Fucking firemen. 13:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Surely this one is the best door knocking joke. 13:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * splortsch?&mdash; Unsigned, by: Gmb / talk / contribs

Male Hymen?
Is this enough BS to warrent it's own article?--Thanatos (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What in the unholy fuck? I don't think it deserves its own article, but, damn, that's just weird. 17:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec) Certainly enough to warrant addition to the acupuncture article. Worrying stuff indeed.   17:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * WTF?! If this batshit crazy stuff catches on, it could get pretty nasty. Love the bit about how the spot disappears only after hetero intercourse though. I guess the only real indicator for masturbation would be sudden, otherwise inexplicable blindness? --[[Image:TheEgyptiansig001.png|link=User:TheEgyptian]] 17:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do all men have a red spot on their ears then? If this gets anywhere near the UK I'm throwing myself under the Queen's horse at Aintree. 18:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Christmas here we come
Second of July and look what I got from Amazon: 20:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Scratch that - it was from last November. Eff knows why it just jumped to the top of my mail list! Sorry Amazon. 20:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

Tell Pal who you are
or don't. 20:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Chillin'
So there we were, chilling a metal water bottle in the freezer: Who's silly then? 15:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It works fine if you leave the top off and only fill it up 3/4 of the way :-) ÑR /Señor Admin/Talk 16:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Works well with canned beer too, the cans are soft enough to expand okay. This is necessary when attempting to make Australian beer drinkable - David Gerard (talk) 16:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that the only way to make Australian beer drinkable was to drink large quantities of non-Australian beer beforehand. -- 21:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There was an Army safety ALARACT just released about bracket mounting bolts wearing through the canister on fire extinguishers, causing them to rupture violently. They included pictures of one that had gone off on a bulldozer and the extinguisher was 20m away from the accident site when they found it. It was pretty sweet. It must have been an interesting night for that dozer operator to say the least. The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I would like
...some help/advice. As you have noticed I'm relatively new here, so I would like suggestions on how I could complete this. I haven't read much from here, and I know that would help, but advice from experts always works too ;D So I'll get reading, and thanks for tips ahead of time. 20:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems like a "fun" article as opposed to mainspace so you'd probably want it in our Fun: space. AceLiquid Room 21:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

It's alright, dear, it's only an advert.
Sooper!(Hat tip) 11:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The thing is, I've just acquired a shopping trolley, now I have some bad ideas forming... 12:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC
 * I don't think that supermarkets would actually like the idea. Speeding round means that you are unlikely to make out of the ordinary impulse purchases. 12:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Aw, now that's just wrong. Why take the trouble to mod the shopping cart with a skateboard and not take the logical next step and add a motor? -- 13:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly. I was like, "wait, you skipped a step!".  24v battery and a 1 hp or so electric motor set up for regenerative braking would rule.  21:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And don't forget the extra revenue in the bandages and pharma aisles. Collision avoidance required. 13:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * A motor? Add a jet engine, and it might get interesting. --Alienfromspace (talk) 20:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What like one of these? 82.34.246.39 (talk) 10:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That has to be the most brilliantly greatest dumbest idea ever. 19:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Seems to be a bit of a trend.  By the way, there are kits one can buy for about $150 that add a small two stroke motor to a normal bicycle, quite popular in Asia as I understand.  23:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There were those around when I was 5 or 6 - a kid on our road had one. Nowadays it's all electric addons. 23:48, 4 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

Chillin'
So there we were, chilling a metal water bottle in the freezer: Who's silly then? 15:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It works fine if you leave the top off and only fill it up 3/4 of the way :-) ÑR /Señor Admin/Talk 16:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Works well with canned beer too, the cans are soft enough to expand okay. This is necessary when attempting to make Australian beer drinkable - David Gerard (talk) 16:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that the only way to make Australian beer drinkable was to drink large quantities of non-Australian beer beforehand. -- 21:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There was an Army safety ALARACT just released about bracket mounting bolts wearing through the canister on fire extinguishers, causing them to rupture violently. They included pictures of one that had gone off on a bulldozer and the extinguisher was 20m away from the accident site when they found it. It was pretty sweet. It must have been an interesting night for that dozer operator to say the least. The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I would like
...some help/advice. As you have noticed I'm relatively new here, so I would like suggestions on how I could complete this. I haven't read much from here, and I know that would help, but advice from experts always works too ;D So I'll get reading, and thanks for tips ahead of time. 20:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems like a "fun" article as opposed to mainspace so you'd probably want it in our Fun: space. AceLiquid Room 21:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Williamsdon
Serena is a fine athlete and deserved winner of the ladies title, but why oh why did she have to thank fucking Jehovah in her after match interview? Andy would have been proud of her. 21:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Iono, things like that are bitter sweet. Also things like fave baseball players hitting homeruns, then they always do the catholic cross thing when they touch the plate. Ugh. 04:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And point to Sky Daddy when rounding second base. At least at one level it's a display of some humility.  Don't forget what Poseidon put Odysseus through for a little hubris...  23:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I wrote an essay
In honor of Independence Day, I wrote an essay, comparing the Tea Party to the Founding Fathers. MDB (talk) 14:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Germany for champion
Netherlands #2, Spain #3, Uruguay #4. Italy - noooo, but Europe has done well. --91.145.73.103 (talk) 17:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there footy on somewhere? I'm all excited about Wimbledon. Watching people scoring goals with those tennis bats was really exciting. 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Don't be silly, Toast, in tennis scores are called "tries" and "loves", not "goals". Goals are in cricket, I think.  22:29, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it was basketball, actually, but of course the ice had melted - they seemed to be on grass. 22:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * You are just jealous because you lack my god-like ability to predict the future. --91.145.73.103 (talk) 18:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

w00ts 4 M3!
I just got my acceptance letter from Human Resources Command for voluntary re-classification into military occupational specialty 51C: Acquisition, Logistics and Technology Contracting Noncommissioned Officer. Soon, I'll have a school date and be well on my way out of the world of IED detection, reconnaissance, and surveillance and into the exciting world of contract management and enforcement. I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER! The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 17:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm happy that you're happy! Don't understand word one of it though. 17:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I didn't expect you to, really. My wife doesn't either. At the end of the day, just know that the next time I deploy, I'll be jockeying a desk instead of riding shotgun as a human mine detector. As I told April, "One can only watch the engine compartment of his Humvee disintegrate so many times before he REALLY begins to reconsider his career choices." The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Out of harm's way!. Great, my warm felicitations Foxxy. 17:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Does contract enforcement in the army involve breaching shotguns and kneecaps at all? -- 19:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So.. What you're saying is that you're no longer in a Foxhole?  So you exist again!!!  Yay!!!   :)  Quaru (talk) 14:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Best of luck, and congratulations. I'm a gov't contractor myself (well, my company is), so you'll get to deal with people like me. We even do some work with the military, though its acquisitions and purchasing software, not stuff like tanks and bombs and planes. MDB (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Belated congratulations, Foxy! 02:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, all! It's a pretty cool early birthday present. I have to admit, I have similar butterflies to when I first joined the Army. The Acquisition Support Center world is going to be as different from Combat Arms as Combat Arms is from civilian life, I'm sure. I'm pretty excited. The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 12:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * good for you, so your out of combat already ? cause otherwise you are the good natured guy that going home soon, and we all know from movies that he is doomed :) Hamster (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hacked
Fucking script kiddies. I got a message from my commercial webhost (whom I have a reseller account with) to say that the server my accounts are hosted on got hacked. The hackers just seemed to drop an index.html page into every directory in every webroot. I'm fucking fed up with linux. More secure than Windows my arse. 15:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Scifi-Meshes got hacked by some script-kiddies about a year or so ago. At least it catalysed a massive main page revamp of the site after it was bypassed so that the entire thing ran on the forum software. I mean, what do these kids think they're achieving, exactly? It's not like they're A) doing anything special or impressive B) doing it to deserving targets or C) doing something irreversible and difficult to correct. 19:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They are achieving a safer internet. --91.145.73.103 (talk) 21:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Couldn't you at least blank the names in that image, instead of giving them even more "attention"? 22:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (1) Not searchable, (2) considering I'm calling them out as script kiddies rather than any kind of good hackers I don't think it matters. 08:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "Greetings 2 all Iranian hackers?" ZOMG Terrorism. Sen (talk) 09:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Joy. They seem to have set up a cronjob which emails the HTML of that page to all defined email accounts on the system. However, they've been stupid enough to not actually set the email body as HTML, so everyone's just getting emails with no subject or from and a page of HTML code. Dipshits. 09:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You have got to love the irony of being able to hack a server, but they are not able to send an email properly. 10:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Also, I'm guessing these are being sent from a cronjob, but if I SSH in and use crontab -l I get an access denied error. They've chmodded /usr/bin/crontab to 0777, and because I'm not root on the server I can't change it back to 4755. Time to find a new webhost. 10:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * [[image:Falldownlaugh.gif]] 10:17, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks. 10:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I assume he's laughing at their inability to send an email. And that's hilarious.    As a linux admin, I feel for you.  I've never had my host hacked, but I've had sites that the php was hacked..   it was always a simple fix for a stupid error, but it makes me mad.  And it's never even been something as complex as replacing the main.html..  it was like, a replaced 404 page..  So I didn't even find it for a good 3 weeks...Quaru (talk) 13:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I had one linux box hacked where I had actually checked it for vulnerabilities every week and had yum update cronned every night. Never did find out how the fuckers got in. They were just locally dumping thousands of spam emails into sendmail. No idea where from. Ended up having to completely reinstall. 13:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The other thing that pisses me off with linux hosting is that your virtual server always runs under your account, which is fine for minimising damage if someone hacks some PHP code (like when I had an account hacked because the twats at PHPBB had called a config file without declaring it first, so hackers could call the page with their own version from the web on the querystring if register_globals was on (which it always is on shared hosting)), but on almost all Windows shared hosting you get two accounts. Yours, and an IUSR_username account which has restricted permissions, so even if they do hack your site they can't change any web files anyway. 14:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Belgian Christians show remorse for paedo priests, NOT
16:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (Aside) The paedopriest thing seems to be truly world-spanning. 16:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * It seems that it's mainly the Catholic church, so it's not surprising that when you tell someone that they cannot indulge in one of the most basic urges of living animals but then give them a degree of power over weaker individuals which is reinforced by the fear of eternal damnation if they open their little gobs, that this sort of thing happens. 18:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * On the bright side, this sort of response shows that the police are taking it very seriously, something that I've yet to see elsewhere. 19:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, full marks to the Belgian police on that one. It would be interesting to see what would happen if their example were copied. We get a constant drip drip of these stories in Spain but they rarely seem to make the international news. --BobSpring is sprung! 12:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Ads by google
Hee:
 * ''MI5 is Recruiting
 * ''Intelligence Analysts - London
 * ''Find out more today and apply
 * ''www.mi5.gov.uk/careers/analyst

Well it amused me. 23:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get it? Does MI5 not hire people normally or something?  The FBI and CIA advertise for employees all the time, I had just assumed it was the same.-- 09:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They used to have a shoulder-tap policy, but a few years ago they opened recruitment to the public. 10:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Waddya think?
Thinking of sending this to t'beeb. opinions? 00:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice! 00:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome picture. Do it. 09:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia down?
I haven't been able to access for a couple hours or so, the firefox phail message has changed to the mediawiki "wiki has phail" message. 02:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have it now, but it seems slower than usual. 09:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Best name ever
11:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I must say that website is quite interesting. Anyone lent money through it before? 12:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, I was going to post something on here in a bit trying to add recruits to the FSM team, as we are locked in a (friendly) battle against the Mormon team for which team has the most loans. It's a good way to use up a bit of extra cash at the end of the month, and you (usually) get it back at the end of the loan period anyway. So sign up here: http://www.kiva.org/team/fsm 12:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I did notice that the agnostic, atheist, freethinker team was the largest. When I get my tax return I think I will join up. Looks like a much better way of helping people than just giving money to charities once a month to do who knows what with the money. For capitalism to work people need capital. 12:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The atheist team don't need the extra people! Join the great noodly one and help defeat the mormons! 12:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Whilst you are streaks ahead in members, you are not much further ahead in terms of loans. This is expected, as Pastafarians are far less charitable as can be seen in the article . 13:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is a bit odd that. They created the group about 2 days before the FSM one, so it isn't because they've been on longer. I think the main problem was that the FSM members used to loan more per loan rather than more loans (i.e. they'd make one loan of $50 instead of 2 of $25, thus we have lent more cash but for fewer loans). 13:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, FSM group is average $32.35 per loan, mormons are $26.84 per loan. 13:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to diversify you portfolios more to mitigate risks. 13:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Vote now!
Send Justin Bieber to North Korea! EddyP (talk) 13:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I voted. 13:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Direct link. I would have sent him to Afghanistan to entertain the troops, the question then would be which side would shoot him first? 13:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Let Kim Jong Il deal with him. 13:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't get what dicks on the internet have against Bieber. He's a pop-tartlet manufactured to sell records to kids under 15. We've had those for freaking decades. Get over it you sad, sad little freaks. 15:04, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Passably funny, but it's not like he's going to go there, is it?-- 15:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That was weird. Even though it said I wasn't "logged in" it still addressed me by name...  20:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Soccer Is a Socialist Sport
Says Marc ThiessenHat Tip (I never know whether to put things like this in Blog, Clog or World, so I dump 'em here) 15:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Football brings people together in a way men like him will never understand. The "World Series" encompasses the US and Canada, whereas events such as the FIFA World Cup actually involve the rest of the world. 16:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ........HI, TK!!!!. P-Foster (talk) 16:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's made it to WIGOCP. 16:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I wonder, if not using your hands counts as socialist, how many sports does that entail... What about Tennis or Hockey, you can't use your hands, you have to use a little stick or net... But that is indirectly controlled by the hands, so I guess it's still safe.... Hmmmmm 17:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually you can use your hands, you simply can't use them to touch the ball or harass other players. Which is called a f-ing rule, which is the artificial limitation put in sports in order to make sports interesting, like the "don't put a motor on it" rule in bicycle racing or the "scores are awareded for shooting the targets, not rocks" in shooting, or the "go around the flag poles" in skiing. So you can flap your hands around, or make hand signals or something, there simply isn't anything else to do with them in that particular situation. Clearly, some people think that the artificial limitations in all sports ought to be the same, rather than what large and exremely large sums of money making private organisations want them to be, which is of course, a rather collectivist attitude. Sen (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, actually every player needs their opposable thumbs (hey TK what about the other primates, the Panda's "thumb", etc.), the goalie can use their hands in their crease and players throw the ball back in from out-of-bounds on the sidelines. F'ing idiot.  Oh, and "hooligans"?  Ever been in Boston when the Yankees are in town or vice versa?  20:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes me want to have --194.197.235.240 (talk) 18:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Football is basically a working class sport as it has a low barrier to entry. Any kid can learn to play with just a home made ball all though a cheap full size plastic one is not beyond reach and can be shared amongst a large group. Millions of poor kids around the world even play in bare feet and you only need a patch of open ground which could be a street, a courtyard or a field. 18:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what, if this is the norm, possibly NSFW, depending on where you work I'll take Football over any other sport in the world. 18:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I notice that they only had one entry for Korea, presumably from the southern half - I'm not saying that Commies are ugly, rather that Kim wotsit probably doesn't let them out to play. About half were lads mag soft porn but the other half were genuine fans. Jack Hughes (talk) 18:17, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed both of those things myself, but considering Kim Jong paid Chinese citizens to cheer for his country, I don't suppose he's letting too many Korean Cuties TM pose for the camera. As for the pseudo-porn pictures, meh.  18:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Quack Miranda
RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE mentions RatWiki. 16:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've tweaked our Quack Miranda Warning article a little & added a query on the talk page, as it's not completely clear whether QMWs are a legal obligation as such or a bit of loopholing by the quacks themselves. Anyone with law smarts able to help out on this issue?  Also, is there any kind of general name (apart from "lies") for legal disclaimers about purpose or intent which seem to contradict the whole nature of a product?  Like "this product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease", when preventing or treating something is the whole basis of the product's marketing.  It reminds me of that "any similarities to persons living or dead is purely coincidental" line you see in movie credits, even in based-on-a-true-story films.   17:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * From This site
 * Why do some supplements have wording (a disclaimer) that says: "This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease"?


 * This statement or "disclaimer" is required by law (DSHEA) when a manufacturer makes a structure/function claim on a dietary supplement label. In general, these claims describe the role of a nutrient or dietary ingredient intended to affect the structure or function of the body. The manufacturer is responsible for ensuring the accuracy and truthfulness of these claims; they are not approved by FDA. For this reason, the law says that if a dietary supplement label includes such a claim, it must state in a "disclaimer" that FDA has not evaluated this claim. The disclaimer must also state that this product is not intended to "diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease," because only a drug can legally make such a claim.


 * Sorry about the formatting. Jack Hughes (talk) 18:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  18:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks to my current Life on Mars kick, I can't get the image out of my head of some homeopathy saying "these theories have not been evaluated by the FDA..." before Gene Hunt bursts in and shouts "THAT'S NOT HOW IT GOES!" 23:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Gay Conversion
UK Independent &rarr; Secular News Daily &rarr; Pharyngula &rarr; British Medical Association labels gay conversion therapy harmful, discredited. 16:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yay! Yay! BMA! It makes you proud to be British. Jack Hughes (talk) 16:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Uruguay vs Ghana
Heart goes out to Ghana. They deserved the win. EddyP (talk) 21:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Volleyball, you're doing it right! 21:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's all goddamn Suarez's fault, the bastard. User:Readmesoon/sig 02:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There were 86,999 people baying for that cheating scumbag's head last night. That said, Ghana should never have fluffed the penalty. More bad refereeing tho, the ball had crossed the line before Suarez scooped it out. FIFA needs to wake up re: video evidence. Maybe somebody with a bit of gumption will replace Blatter one day. -- PsyGremlin  09:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't finish work until 10 last night and managed to stumble into a bar and catch penalties. Sad to see them go out. 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Watching the video of the play, didn't it look like another Uruguay player was trying to get his hands in the way, too? And I agree, it looked like the ball (or part of it, anyway, which is enough, right?) crossed the goal line.  21:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No way was it a goal. Human: the rule is that all of the ball has to be past all of the line. alt (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Alt. Yeah, no way.  I watched a handful of views struggling to see if any of the ball was over any of the line, so it sure as hell didn't clear it.  And on further view, the other player looked like he was doing what he was supposed to - jump as high as possible in hopes of blocking any shot in his direction.  Suarez didn't appear to be balanced to jump at the right time and just did, really, what any player would do - prevent the goal by any means possible, and pay the consequences.  I know it sucks to "lose a big game" over some a bit unusual like that, but it's not like he punched a ball in for a winning goal when the ref wasn't looking.  Ghana had several chances to win, they weren't able to convert penalty kicks when they needed to.  00:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind, but his attitude towards what he did stinks:

"the 'Hand Of God' now belongs to me. Mine is the real 'Hand Of God'. I made the save of the tournament. There was no alternative but for me to do that and when they missed the penalty I thought 'It is a miracle and we are alive in the tournament'"
 * No apology. 08:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

In other news... CW
Sometime last year I applied to edit at CreationWiki. Today I got a password! I have been accepted (and I didn't lie on the application form), yea! Any ideas what I should do there? 02:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems like they're lacking a scholarly article about god's finest creation: The pacific northwest arboreal octopus. -- 06:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OOOh good one! 06:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do they have any articles on building tools? 06:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to apply? What's the point of that? 09:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To stop people joining. 10:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you are on the noncreationist list. Are there any obvious editing abilities you are missing? The special page that tells you the rights is disabled. 10:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Their site rules state:
 * Note to Editors: All contributing editors must be creationists (i.e. those who believe the universe and life on earth were created by God). Non-creationists are prohibited from editing articles, except for spelling and grammar corrections. However, anyone is permitted to review articles using the discussion pages adjoining any specific article. Continued participation is reliant upon the careful observance of CreationWiki policies and administrative directives.
 * So don't imagine that you're going to make a lot of contributions. Though that does say "creationist" with a rather wide definition rather than "YEC", so you might be in with a chance.--BobSpring is sprung! 12:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless you want to say "I've noticed a spelling error, where you say there are 'no' transitional forms, it should read 'lots of'". But still, kind of proves creatards can't stand the heat of actual open research. 15:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They seem to be obsessed with plants, if the first handful of "randoms" I hit are anything to go by. 22:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * All things bright and beautiful -
 * ''Each little flower that opens,
 * ''Each little bird that sings,
 * ''He made their glowing colors,
 * ''He made their tiny wings.
 * Let's try and sweep verse 3 under the carpet though. 09:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a source of embarassement for me recently. We went to one of the wife's friend's wedding, a church do, and that was one of the hymns we had to sing. When we got to "The purple headed mountains" I thought nothing of it, but looked over to the wife who was looking at me and smirking. This in turn made me smirk, which made her start laughing quietly, which made me laugh. In the end we were both quietly giggling like schoolkids and she even started crying with laughter a bit. Hope no-one saw us :-\ 09:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem to match with Lily's link? Or did I get it wrong?  09:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, never mind, I see Lily's point there. 09:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the church had a huge homemade stiched picture with the text "Jesus will return to save us" at the bottom. I regretted that I didn't bring a sticker with me.  10:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My last giggle-loop in church was because the floor tiles looked remarkably like swastikas (not to mention the torture porn everywhere). But I'm not surprised they conveniently "forget" that verse, especially in the school version, as most hymms are depressingly awful. They all have the same tune and lyrics that basically go "oh God, aren't we shit and feckless while you're the complete and utter tits, can we suck you off now for, you know, being oh so kind and generous by making our lives hell, we promise never to mention all the babies you killed?" 10:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Think you might be onto a winner with that one. Submit it to the Christian hymns publishers for review. 10:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know of a Methodist church, which was built before Hitler came to prominence, which has a swastika carved in relief (along with a bunch of other symbols) on an outside wall. 18:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Dendezia, Wolbachia, and Onchocerca, the Lord God created them all... CS Miller (talk) 18:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "All things Dull and Ugly"... --Gulik (talk) 20:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Bow.gif]][[Image:Monty.gif]] CS Miller (talk) 20:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)