RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Osteopathic medicine

Osteopathic medicine | Result: Merge

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 * 1) Osteopathic medicine (OM) is not the same as osteopathy (O). That would be the same as telling that alchemy is the same as chemistry or that alienism is the same as psychology (with the caveat that OM is still influenced by O in a way that doesn't apply to the other examples, and that OM contains a deal of crankery not present in those two). Additionally, one must notice that O and OM are practiced in different parts of the world; it's the O article that's going to have to be changed to reflect these facts (that, and it doesn't seem to have enough dept). Faunas (talk) 10:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the new article could represent this historical to modern trend, and explain both in depth? 14:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Too unwieldy. If that were to happen, I see two different things mixed up with one another. It would be better if we were to have two separate articles and one mention another. Faunas (talk) 14:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, Faunas, you have not made a very good case within the Osteopathic medicine article for keeping it separate from Osteopathy. On the one hand you say that OM has ditched the pseudoscience of osteopathy, but on the other you cite a study that it's no different than placebo and quote Salzberg saying that it's pseudoscience ("'extra' training in pseudoscientific practices"). I believe though that that quote is out of context and it's not exactly what he says. Bongolian (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I said that the thing that distinguishes osteopathic medicine from "regular" medicine and has in common with the old osteopathy, i.e. OMM, is pseudoscience, not the whole of osteopathic medicine, which aside from OMM is largely indistinguishible from "regular" medicine.
 * Isn't the difference between the two whether or not the person is also an MD? Bongolian (talk) 19:48, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Merge/redirect

 * 1) Osteopathic medicine is synonymous with the existing page osteopathy. Osteopathic medicine should be merged into Osteopathy. Bongolian (talk) 02:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * 2) Clear-cut case for merging. Let's make this into ONE article and aim for Gold quality in its future. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:44, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * 3) Merge - David Gerard (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * 4) We have Anthroposophy, and Anthroposophical medicine redirects to there. This appears to be a similar case, so let's be consistent. 21:32, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * 5) - 05:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * 6) You convinced me. My arguments were getting more and more untennable. Faunas (talk) 10:19, 14 March 2017 (UTC)