Talk:Monarchy

"Absolute Monarchy"
You know, we can debate about Louis XIV being an absolute monarch. Louis XVI was not. And the Emperors of the Second German Empire were most definitely not absolute monarchs. What is the definition of a "constitutional monarchy" (i.e. the opposite of an absolute monarchy) "The monarch is limited by a constitution" exhibit A.

As for Louis XVI, his not being an absolute monarch who could rule on his own and on his own say-so are exactly what led to him calling the Estates General, which is commonly seen as the catalyst for the French Revolution. Had he been an absolute monarch, he'd simply raised taxes on his own say-so. Evil Zionist (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The Estates General was an advisory or consultative body without any formal power: see . France was technically an absolute monarchy even if Louis (like most kings) couldn't rule without wider support. --Annanoon (talk) 11:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * But I agree about the German Empire (1871-1918): the Kaiser had free rei(g)n in certain areas, e.g. over the military, but was limited in other areas. --Annanoon (talk) 11:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Splitting British Monarchy into its own article
The section on the British monarchy is gradually getting longer, and there is a lot of stuff that could be covered, from referencing conspiracy theories to the constitutional position to past crimes. I've no idea how to split an article (preserving the edit history) even if such a split was judged a good idea. It's probably not quite necessary yet, but if it grows much longer a split will be needed. --Annanoon (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know any of these conspiracy theories but I would like to read them. If they're mostly about individual royals, you can write about them on the pages for the royal in question (to which I assume most would be about Elizabeth II). But if there's some that concern the whole family than I suppose it can get it's own page. The constitutional position on past crimes can be written on United Kingdom. --LiamM32 (talk) 07:18, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Will note that the supposed claim of the descendant of George Duke of Clarence to the British throne is doubly invalid - the royal line of succession went through George's eldest brother Edward IV's daughter Elizabeth, and also George was attainted so his descendants can make no claim. Anna Livia (talk) 12:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Aristotle's model for monarchy
In the second paragraph, it says This has an ambiguous meaning. Is it saying that the 4 micro-monarchies listed are like Aristotle's idea of a monarchy, or is it using them as examples of modern-day nation-states, which is unlike Aristotle's idea? --LiamM32 (talk) 06:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Differences between monarchies and dictatorships
The first paragraph is simply wrong when it states that the difference between the two depends on whether or not there are limits to the power held. Historically many monarchies were absolute and frequently dictators had some nominal requirement to to refer to other political bodies. So they may have more or less power then each other. The difference is in how that power is theoretically transferred: by inheritance or (probably) by revolution.

Unless anyone objects I'll edit it later.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 10:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And three months later I did.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 14:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Pretenders
Should there be a separate section on these?

Not the respectable 'pretenders' (if the monarchy of X were restored they would be installed - is a good list) but the creative, offbeat and 'in their imagination' etc.

Examples would include the Romanov imposters, and persons such as these chaps. Another category would be the opportunists - Emperor Norton, Boris Skossyreff, the Prince of Sealand and others. Anna Livia (talk) 12:58, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a disambiguation page pretender which doesn't currently point to much. Monarchy discusses British pretenders (for some reason there's a long section on the British monarchy on this page), and Emperor Norton is mentioned occasionally around RW. Mensur Omerbashich, pretender to various Balkan thrones, also has an article. There's certainly a lot of cranks that could be covered: I'm surprised Anastasia or Anna Anderson doesn't have a page. --Annanoon (talk) 13:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There is this on the other place. Anna Livia (talk) 16:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't the entire Royal family budget be included?
After all, the Presidents cost only extends to his income. Wouldn't it be more representative to show the entire Royal family cost?