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Hey
Stop being such a dick, please.--Tom Moore fiat justitia ruat coelum 07:15, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Sure thing Tom. MarcusCicero 09:40, 12 November 2008 (EST)

yreposyS
Congratulations on joining the scum of the earth, MarcusCicero! That's right—you are now a sysop!

Here's your bucket, mop, and instruction manual. Try not to have too much fun now. : )  17:44, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Is this a prank... MarcusCicero 12:07, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Stop it.
12:16, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Who could have possibly thought that giving me blocking powers could possibly have any good end??? Fun while it lasted though. Can I have them back, pretty please??????? 134.226.1.229 12:22, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Just in case
Anyone listens to this eejit:
 * 17:10 (cur; last) . . MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked User:Toast with an expiry time of 1 day (account creation disabled): For being an annoying feminist type)
 * Middle of MC's rampage 29/01/08. [[Image:Toast s.png|25px]] (Toast) and marmalade 13:08, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Please, stop trying to use Irish expressions. So Susan, you deny being an annoying feminist type? I would have thought that was a compliment... (Surprised that comment didn't make you leave and never come back - or is that leave and never come back, except under the pretense of a new username???) MarcusCicero 18:11, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * Why do you have a vendetta against Susan? 18:13, 30 January 2009 (EST)

I don't have a vendetta against Susan.. That would imply that I cared! Seriously though, I can never understand how she's taken seriously. For one thing she is dangerously anti-religious - the 'lets throw them all in a gulag and re-educate their children' type. She whinges and whinges and whinges about shit no-one gives a shit about then. Then, when people drag some home truths in front of her she cries and runs home with her ball - only to re-appear as a new user or about five months later as if nothing happened. In the meantime she still edits with IPs and other short term accounts. Everyone knows its her but she still maintains the pretense... Its quite sad. Yet still, you all treat her like she's a rational human being and not as the needy whiny cringe and fringe internet feminist type she really is. Let her play by all means, but don't give the gal a pedastal.

Anyway, again I don't give a shit about Susan, I'm sure she has a great life and all of that and don't hold any real malice towards her, but for her to wander about here throwing about that boring accusation above is a little much. Yawn, I don't care... No-one does.

Just as an aside, whats the point in me being in the vandal bin if I can just circumvent it like this? A bit pointless. Just remove me from the bin, I obviously was just taking the piss after being given sysop powers. I don't take the site as seriously and get offended as easily as Susan. 86.40.197.68 18:22, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * You are out but if you continue being a dick you are back in and I will do it properly next time. - User   18:28, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * "Properly"? 03:57, 31 January 2009 (EST)
 * You can vandal bin them with the IP address so he can't just log out and keep editing; however no one ever ticks the box. - User   04:05, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Were you born a prick....
Or did you have to work at it? Seriously, stop it now. --JeevesMkII 07:43, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Sorry 'Jeeves Mark II' for upsetting you. MarcusCicero 16:58, 4 February 2009 (EST)

don't make me look like an idiot...
...or I will crawl up through the inner-tubes, rip your lungs out, and feed them to you. TheoryOfPractice 11:13, 26 February 2009 (EST)

Susan
Can you please verify your claim that SusanG/Toast is a "man-hating demon"? 14:53, 26 February 2009 (EST)

lol, I thought the excessive language might have given it away that I was exaggerating... MarcusCicero 16:25, 27 February 2009 (EST)

Chill
It's hard to be more reactionary than CUR, yet you managed it. Debate or go fuck yourself. We're not here to play games unless they're actually fun. Thee Nuttish Talk 17:30, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Heard this One
"A man's own manner and character is what most becomes him. " Marcus Tullis Cicero.

Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 08:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Your account
Hello there, I've noticed from recent comments that your style seems to have changed slightly - people are saying that you're not as funny as you used to be; it does look as if there's some bitterness and anger in your latest stuff. Is it possible that someone has hacked your account? If someone is trying to impersonate you, you should take action because your recent stuff is of low quality. if, however, this is actually you, perhaps you could try taking a look at yourself and ask if you are dragging some RL problems here and taking it out on us. It's always much better in the long run to confront difficult situations directly rather than than lash out at someone else in frustration. I do hope this post helps you. Totnesmartin 12:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, my wife recently left me and I've been left with a raging horde of 15 Irish catholic kids. And I lost my job as a history person. Trying to live on 300 euro a week. Maybe I shouldn't take my problems out on poor little rationalwiki. MarcusCicero2 13:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Some Questions
If you think we are a bunch of unintelligent proles and that rationalwiki is stupid and lame why is it that - I am curious because you keep coming back and trolling and that is why people think you are a troll. And it makes you seem the unintelligent fool, not us. Ace McWickedi9 23:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You keep coming back?
 * That you make edits you know are not within our POV?
 * Get mad when someone reverts your edits knowing full well it will happen?
 * Hurl abuse at the slighest infraction and complain about us and rationalwiki?
 * Why dont you stay at the wiki/forum you mentioned you are a part of and just laugh at us from afar?
 * Also Ace, you forgot to inquire about the current location of his dick and why, if he is so superior to us, his edits are full of grammatical mistakes. 00:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite, however I am seriously curious about MC's motives which is why I didn't flame him...yet. Ace McWickedi9 00:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We have been over this. He comes form secret forum who enjoy laughing at intellectual pretenders like us, who are laughing at intellectual pretenders like CP. What he fails to realise is his forum is in itself being mocked, by yet another meta group, who can't believe what a wanker he is making of himself here. 00:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, that would be where the lizard overlords are?--BobNot Jim 14:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

17:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Clarifications

 * 1) I keep coming back because I get an urge every so often to check out Rationalwiki. Not sure why.
 * 2) You have no point of view other than lame ass new age internet lolism. So take your pov and stick it up your ass.
 * 3) My edits on the crusades or historical revisionism were not controversial and were factual.
 * 4) I complain about you and rationalwiki because it is my natural right. If you are confident your website does not have any of the flaws I believe it does then my criticisms surely have no barbed teeth.
 * 5) I go on that forum roughly once every two weeks. Its not exactly somewhere I log in to every day. Some of the people are quite witty and uncover websites far more obscure and self important than rationalwiki every day.
 * 6) I am not a troll.
 * 7) Having good grammar doesn't make one intellectually superior. Pointing out someone elses grammar is poor is comparable to pointing out that someone used a swear word in a denunciation of Nazi-ism. Its irrelevant and consciouslly derailing. And bitter.
 * 8) I couldn't give a shit about this place if you dropped the intellectual pretensions. The name 'Rationalwiki' is grotesque, unprecedented, bizarre, unbelievable. It makes you look like spoons. Drop the intellectual act or drop the 14 year olds who clog up the website. Either way, you look like immature idiots with nothing better to do with your time. MarcusCicero (talk) 17:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, your criticisms don't have barbed teeth. It's like getting gummed by someone boring, usually.  But I got a good giggle out of "I am not a troll", that's a little better. --Kels (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I am bombastic. I am not a troll. A world of a difference. MarcusCicero (talk) 17:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats well and good MC however you are a troll and the fact you find RW so repugnant, so purile and abhorrent, yet you keep coming back and trolling says more about you than us.
 * "Either way, you look like immature idiots with nothing better to do with your time." The fact you state this and then lower yourself to the point of trolling RW suggests you have nothing better to do either. Ace McWickedi9 20:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey MC. What country do you live in? 20:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He lives in the Intellectually Superior Zone of Fancy-Pants Land. Ace McWickedi9 20:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You see Ace, that pathetic joke of yours is precisely why you are such an internet geek. Its a hobby of mine to keep track of these kind of comments. I'm not claiming I'm not pathetic. We've been over this before. Its entirely in YOUR OWN MOTHERFUCKING MIND that I think I'm intellectually superior. I just find pretensions and delusions of grandeur in a pack of 14-15 year old geeks to be hilarious. Besides, you all are, to a man, a pack of conservapedia trolls. MarcusCicero (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What country do you live in MC? 20:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

This shit is better than nothing, I guess. &mdash; Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 20:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * While we all were CP trolls most of us, particularly the older editors, have ceased trolling CP. You on the other hand conitnue to troll RW without end. Why do you get into edit wars? For what purpose? You know you'll be reverted and yet you stamp your little feet and bitch and moan. So your obviously a trolling fuck-wit. Oh yeah, one without a penis. Ace McWickedi9 21:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

(EC) Aww, come on, I can't keep using the stop template all day long. 21:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And another thing, I am not an internet geek. No one who actually knew me would even suggest such a thing. How bizarre. Ace McWickedi9 21:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Has it occured to you Ace that you are trolling my talk page? MarcusCicero (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You remind of someone who turns up to a party uninvited and complains about the music. Ace McWickedi9 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You remind me of the local twat people have to invite because he's always there. MarcusCicero (talk) 21:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm yeah, good one. Ace McWickedi9 22:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Quit Being A Troll
Seriously. Grow the fuck up.The Goonie 1 (talk) 15:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He's totally not a troll, he said so just above. Now would you quit wasting his time, he's busy arguing against inclusions he doesn't care about, making assertions he doesn't feel the need to back up, and comparing people to CP. --Kels (talk) 15:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Ahem...

16:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Marcus Cicero has a mental disorder
Hi,

This is John's brother. I know he has been using this account for a variety of reasons, none of them productive for his troublesome history of mental health problems. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about this but suffice to say my mother and father have decided to withdraw his access from the internet for the duration of his most recent treatment process.

I apologise on my brothers behalf for any problems he may have caused this website during his period of instability. As you know, his posts have been of a bizarre quality but that is merely a reflection of his real world mental anguishes. MarcusCicero (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Note, this edit really was made using MC's account, but at talk:main. Kels moved it here.  23:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the mixup, I forgot to link back to where I moved it from. --Kels (talk) 23:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to jump in here and say that commenting on whether this post was actually written by MC or whether MC actually has a mental disorder as alleged, would be inappropriate. If the above post is truthful, MC's state is none of our business and as long as the irritating conduct stops, all is right with the wiki, though I would wish MC the best. If it's not true, it doesn't deserve any further comment. 23:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I also think that out of an abundance of caution in the interest of protecting MC's privacy if indeed the post is truthful it ought to be oversighted. 23:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's crap. No-one would make such a post, they'd just not post. It's MC trying for the sympathy vote. 23:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I see no reason for oversighting, there isn't actually any information in the post (true or not), say, that would constitute a breach of privacy, since we don't know who MC is anyway. 23:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont reckon he is after the sympathy vote although I can see him posting something like this then sitting back and chuckling to himself. Soon he'll be back calling us all morons for the way we treated something with a mental disorder and that we are a bunch of children that him and his secret forum buddies laugh at. Ace McWickedi9 00:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're probably right Ace. 00:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't much care either way. If he's got a mental disorder, then he's got one.  If he doesn't, he doesn't.  It's not particularly relevant to anything. --Kels (talk) 00:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

This has gone from the sublime to the bizarre. Can we just make it site policy that nobody is to talk to MC, as he keeps causing flame wars whatever his reasons are? What ever the deal with these mental problems we can't do anything for him either way, but if we want to actual do something with RationalWiki constantly getting into arguments with someone who is just out to cause trouble isn't going to achieve anything. 01:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Let me explain
A poster alleged that if someone had a mental disorder, they wouldn't post anyway. The reason I am posting here is because my brother felt very sorry for behaving in the way he did and he asked me to apologise for him. His mental torment and anguish is so vast that little issues such as how he may have offended you play in his mind for weeks and weeks. Without getting into specifics about the mental disorder he has, its pretty serious. As a result, I would appreciate it if you respected John's privacy and permanantly banned user 'Toast' for suggesting something so vulgar. MarcusCicero (talk) 16:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S - He told me the password to his user account in order to be able to make contact with you. This shall be the last post I make on his account and you may close it from herein at your own pleasure.
 * Oh, what a give away. Who but MC himself would advocate that "Toast" be banned. How you doin' MC?  18:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Year-long block.
One--it's really unclear to me as to what's going on here and whether or not MC is speaking for himself or if "his brother" is speaking for him, so I'm not sure the block is a good idea. Two--we don't block users. If MC wants to be blocked, make him a sysop and let him block himself. Three. TK isn't even blocked ferfuxsake. What, you can't handle a little trolling that has perhaps a wee bit of grounding in the truth? get over yourselves. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I question the "grounding in the truth" part, but the year-long block is just stupid. Initially binning him for trolling, I could see that, but that's about it. --Kels (talk) 18:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I second Kels; and I don't actually believe what's been posted above, even that his name is "John". It's far too convenient that "John's" brother should suggest blocking Toast when MC has been on a personal crusade against Toast (amongst others). That said, ToP is right, we don't do long blocks in fact a precedent has been set that you are not even allowed to block yourself for too long. 18:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Toast
My advocation of permanantly blocking user 'Toast' was simply a suggestion, I had no idea it would lead to such cynicism or that in fact John had a 'vendetta' against this person. If that is the case I will withdraw my comment about blocking user 'Toast' and suggest blocking user 'SusanG' instead. MarcusCicero (talk) 19:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And the hand is over played. tmtoulouse 19:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S- I'm afraid Marcus is unable to come to the computer right now - he is kicking and screaming down in his room, such is the gravity of his deep emotional prison. However, I did hear him whisper 'block Susan, Jesus Christ, will someone please block Susan' earlier on today. MarcusCicero (talk) 19:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Successful troll is successful. Getting all these people to think that you were really Johns brother... Brilliant! Web (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fuckin' great work Steve. You really had these clowns going. --Bogtrotter (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Steve? As in Steve Jobs? Communist!! Satan!! Web (talk) 19:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No. As in Steve ******** (but still in computer science). He's a real scream when he tells us about your petty fights against Conservapedia. --Bogtrotter (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ******** is such an odd name. You He must have gotten picked on in school a lot. --Kels (talk) 20:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I only met him at TCD. --Bogtrotter (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh dear, I feel like I've made matters worse. Let me clarify:


 * My brother John (MarcusCicero) suffers from deep emotional, pyschological trauma (and due to John's privacy I cannot go into specifics)


 * I, Neilius am his brother.


 * I hope that has cleared things up. MarcusCicero (talk) 19:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Except, he really didn't have us going, all the comments were "this is probably bullshit" and then contingency planing just in case it wasn't all bullshit. But feel free to bask in your uh, perceived, victory. tmtoulouse 19:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's time to move along from here everyone, there's nothing to see except someone who hit the pub too early on a Sunday. 19:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Is 1 o clock after mass too early?

Victory?
I am very confused - who has had a victory? Certainly not John, suffering as he is with deep emotional trauma. I have already clarified that I am Neilius, Johns brother. I'm beginning to think I've made things worse. MarcusCicero (talk) 19:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I heard John likes mudkip. Web (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But totally not a troll. Not even a little teensy bit. --Kels (talk) 19:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Neilius. Thank you for all your hard work and your desire to help people recognise John's condition. You of course have my deepest sympathy.  I note that above you stated:   This shall be the last post I make on his account and you may close it from herein at your own pleasure.  If you do this - just walk away and not post any more - then John's account will simply fade into history.  So, thank you for your posts and I hope your brother gets better soon.  Goodbye.--BobNot Jim 20:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous
What utter garbage. I see my intial suspicions were correct. Lame lame lame. Ace McWickedi9 20:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. I worry for my brothers mental health because if he ever recovers he may read this post and it may re-trigger his condition. I think I should re-iterate in the importance of you all accepting that I am John's brother acting on his behalf. MarcusCicero (talk) 20:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Then please stop posting. As you stated above, make this your last post. This has gone on too long and is getting stupid. Bye now. Ace McWickedi9 20:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm tempted to start posting things to intentionally set off his "condition", if he even exists. Maybe we can make him cry.Web (talk) 20:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, let us just finish this once and for all. Bye now MC Ace McWickedi9 20:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm curious because there is a chance he may come back and view this page. Imagine the mental turpor that would cause. Please have some respect for his delicate mental condition. For obvious reasons I cannot disclose the specifics but his condition made Michael Jackson look normal. please respect it. Thank you. MarcusCicero (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Web (talk) 20:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

http://www.lastpost.be//mp3/lastpost.mp3|autostart=yes|shuffle=yes|bg=0x800000|leftbg=0x800000|lefticon=0xFFCC00|rightbg=0x800000|righticon=0xFFCC00|track=0x663300|loader=0x996633|slider=0xFFCC00|text=0xFFCC00|border=0x996633|rightbghover=0xFFCC00|righticonhover=0x800000
 * Teh Innertubez: SRS BZNS! 20:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Human that is INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE. PLEASE REMOVE THAT WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT. My brother suffers from a rare cranial injective disorder. Please respect that. MarcusCicero (talk) 20:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Then you'd be better off taking care of him than mucking about on his computer. 20:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Incredibly offensive
This is beginning to get incredibly offensive. What happens if John wanders on to the internet and see's this page? How can you be so inconsiderate? MarcusCicero (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I have temporarily vandal-binned you to prevent further edit warring over your archives. Please see Community Standards: talk page & archive content should not be deleted. 22:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry "Neilius"/"John"/Steve, but talk pages are not personal property they are community property. 23:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have unbinned you. Please tone down the seasonal trolling, no more blanking talk pages & archives, & please sign your comments.    17:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL
Communal property - replace with mob rule please. Thanks. &mdash; Unsigned, by: MarcusCicero / talk / contribs

??
Speaking as a BoN, I have to say that this is one of the most confusing things I've seen on RW. It seems to start out with a big argument between Cicero and SusanG (in which Cicero is -as far as I can see- well in the right), but soon for some reason he then goes off becoming more and more aggressive, and in turn everyone starts treating him as some kind of punching bag (especially the hardcore athiests(?)). Please to explain in sensible terms? 213.120.2.132 21:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Removing junk
Why so serious? 12:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Its childish nonsense that I would expect my 7 year old nephew to come out with. Honestly. I don't find it funny, personally I see it as the emotional ventings of sexually frustrated youth with far too much 4chan underneath their belt and who don't have a fucking clue about the real world. MarcusCicero 12:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC) (And who possibly sit in their parents basement, drowned underneath the weight of their own ejaculation and blinded by the ordeal of constantly watching foot fetish porn.)
 * You seem tense. Would you like a shoulder massage? 12:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a grave difference between tense and indignance. Mock indignance is the most tense of all. MarcusCicero 12:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So let me get this straight. You would like to contribute to a community that opposes Conservapedia, but dislike the parody and humor this site attaches to said goal and would like aforementioned criticism to be of a more professional and serious fashion? If so then although I can see where you're coming from my observations are thus:
 * 1) I like the humor. It's fun.
 * 2) If you dislike the methods used here then why not start your own site with strict guidelines on professionalism rather than constantly returning here to accuse members therein of having small, inoffensive personal appendages?
 * 13:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Methinks he doth protest too much. His endless ranting reflects more on his needs than our shortcomings. Poor thing. Bob Soles 13:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Does MC believe that we should be a serious watchdog group for things like CP? That seems to be a bad idea from my perspective.  Being serious about CP would imply that CP is to be taken seriously.  That is certainly not the right message to send.  13:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Why are you making assumptions about what I believe? You're basically saying 'well since you believe x, surely you can't envisage y, z, k, and s as being the case?' These are weak strawmans people. I find the humour unbearable, I don't think Rationalwiki should be a more serious project. I just think it should aspire to be more than the bottom of the internet barrel in terms of humour. Conservapedia is easy to parody but you end up making tits of yourselves. MarcusCicero 16:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you just need to get laid. Why not hop on a plane to Amsterdam and fucked (in more ways than one)? 20:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm asexual. MarcusCicero 20:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Does this mean that both sides can stop flinging around crude sexual references? 20:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll strike you a deal - I'll stop swearing and using crude sexual references if you lot stop being pricks and wankers. MarcusCicero 20:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean by your standards? I don't think that's possible. 20:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not like I have high standards. Just denounce the 4chan crap and you'll be good. MarcusCicero 20:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 4chan crap? 20:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Goats. Lulz. ZOOM. etc. Its all of the same variety. Meaningless bullshit which is solely responsible for the denigration of traditional witty dialogues and general wankerishness. So go fuck off. MarcusCicero 20:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That stuff is of rather low quality compared to some of our other snark... 20:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was intending to just ignore MC but this "denigration of traditional witty dialogues" is too much to bear. Because your dialouge is so witty and clever isn't it MC! Hahahahahahahahahaha Ace McWickedModel 500 20:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sigh. I feel sorry for you Ace, I really do. MarcusCicero 20:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Dont know why you would. My life is pretty much perfect by anyones standards. Ace McWickedModel 500 20:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
Bohdan was a pet pest, RobS is a sysop, but you seem to be a pariah. You use strong language in your takes on this site, but some of the things you say have a grain of truth in them if one looks hard enough. We can take it. Or so I thought. It's too bad the community won't extend your bullshit the same tolerance it has extended to the bullshit of others. TheoryOfPractice 12:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I never really thought MarcusCicero was much worse than me. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 (Dictated But Not Read) / Talk / Block 13:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "I can't see through metal, Kent!" 13:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Bohdan, RobS and particularly Neveruse513 have an air of humour about them, MC is just aggressive. 13:53, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We should make a MarcusCicero Quote Generator. It would not be too much work; just slap a few insults into an option-node and set a bot to transclude it onto a random user's talk-page once every half hour. 14:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No need, just log onto a linux IRC group under the username "rationalwiki", say "Windows is better than linux", then leave. That would do the trick. 15:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... 15:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My aggression is borne of disillusion. I have no intention in participating in the mind numming 'lulz' which the likes of Bohdan so valiantly knocked around with. MarcusCicero 16:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you consider participating in spelling correctly? For a person who bitches so much about other people being "morons" and the like your English is terrible. 20:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good spelling is the last refuge of the unimaginitive. MarcusCicero 20:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And the literate. 20:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And the cunts MarcusCicero 20:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you need some s3x0r. I have hoes in different area codes. Where you at and I'll send you some bendy girls to stop you being so arsey (or, maybe more arsey for about 30 minutes)? 20:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi there
I've never encountered you before. I've seen the various threads on this site and on RWW so I have a certain set of preconceptions, but your points on the British print media were accurate and apart from a few typically-RW posts on talk pages I don't know why people have such a problem with you.

When you call RW writers pricks, wankers and hypocrites, is it for their talk page posts or their article space posts? I think there's a difference. If it's the former, then... well testosterone will out; I've done my fair share of that. If the latter, then I think I'll have to disagree unless you have examples. Can you give me some? –SuspectedReplicantretire me 20:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * MC usually arrives on RW to call everyone cunts etc, then he pretended to be his brother and tried to convince us that Marcus had a mental illness. Ace McWickedModel 500 20:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Now now Ace, that was just out of boredom. SuspectedReplicant: I cannot give examples. I disagree with the culture of this place. I disagree with the standard of humour. I disagree with the hypocrisy (Especially that little shite Theemperor) I find the aims of this site to be completely out of kilter with what it is in reality. RW is just a mirror of the new internet, a place of pathetic kids throwing around meaningless internet statements that no-one in the real world use. It is a sham of a site, visited by a diverse set of characters who simply don't fit in anywhere else. MarcusCicero 20:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * On the other hand you do not even fit in here. 20:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I go for the cross, and you nip in with a little jag. Well done. You've experienced the majesty of the paradox. Use it. Learn how to improve your mind. MarcusCicero 20:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say that I found this site a while ago, I enjoy posting here, and I've never had a problem with any of the other members. Perhaps it's because I'm not a fucking twat like you are. Have you ever considered that it might be you with the problem and not everyone else? If you hate us all so much then why do you keep coming back? 21:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I know why. It's like the same reason I troll WP sometimes. They're like ants in an ant farm, and MC is a bored. So you poke 'em and watch them scurry to try and make things right or jump to eachothers' defense. It's just something to do. Something to watch. I'm sure he's grown to not like some of us, but that kinda makes it more fun for him to watch. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 (Dictated But Not Read) / Talk / Block 21:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you hate me too, MC? 21:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Dont be silly Nutty - you know that know likes you. Except me of course. Ace McWickedModel 500 21:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think MC actually does like me. I'm a nice guy. I think MC would back off his statement that we're all wankers merely because of our presence here. 21:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really mind any of you. I just find the conduct to be extremely juvenile. I enjoy the experience of posting on RW - There is no better way to behave among fools than as a fool. It certainly creates enough indignation to last a month. Especially when people like Theemperor get insulted. Makes my fucking day that does. MarcusCicero 22:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Paroled
I paroled you due to the fact that (I guess) people just want those of us whose nerves you get on to ignore you, even if it's something unavoidable like the talkpage. Just try not to get too out of hand if someone asks you to stop, and it will remain this way. 17:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Good stuff. But I don't intend on becoming the systems bitch. MarcusCicero 17:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have it any other way, MC. 17:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

If you fucking touch my userspace
You go back in the bin and stay there. -- 17:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Take your threats elsewhere you little bollix. If I came across you in real life I'd throw my pint over you, but I'm fucking headbut you first. You are scum. The lowest of the low. You give the internet a bad name. I hope you end up in a dead end job licking envelopes, vainly clinging on to some vague delusions about your sense of intellectual superiority. Cunt. MarcusCicero 17:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * BtW, you realise that the "Now, young Marcus Cicero..." thing was a CSS trick, and shows the name of whoever is looking at it. 18:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is some juice: s s.  18:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... I did not know that. I take back my claims about him being a murdering pyscho then (Sorry!) MarcusCicero 20:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You don't piss me off Marcus, but you are guilty of just being, well, boring. Although I'm hardly one to talk but at least I don't make a song and dance when I disagree with someone. Rad McCool 00:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I feel honoured
When I trolled you a while back expressing fake concern for your mental state, I didn't realise that you'd try it out on other people afterwards. It's nice to know somebody likes my jokes, even if they are shite at retelling them. Feeding the troll may be frowned on, but trolling the troll is rather rewarding. Totnesmartin 20:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

GUBU
Nice use of the old Haughey line, GUBU. That is all. DogP Marmite Patrol 04:23, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

It was Conor Cruise O Brien, was it not? I deliberately adopted his persona when posting here.

Demotion, perhaps?
If I sysop you, will you behave with your newfound powers? I don't expect your attitude here to change, I just don't want you to abuse the powers of that demotion, like (for example) malicious blocking and binning, and then make me regret having demoted you to sysop. 18:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I promise not to abuse any sysop powers you may decide to give me. MarcusCicero 18:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I decided to make your sock a sysop instead, since you have a more colorful history than your sock. I also made it a vandal (whcih does nothing but add coolness points). 21:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

crap

 * I love that song by Sex Pistols. No Fun. I tried to embed it here but it's such a fucking pain trying to embed YouTube videos. So instead I took the liberty of replicating the song lyrics here for your reading pleasure, MC. I hope you enjoy.
 * No fun, my babe, no fun.
 * No fun, my babe, no fun.
 * No fun to hang around,
 * Feeling that same old way.
 * No fun to hang around,
 * Freaked out for another day.


 * No fun, my babe, no fun,
 * No fun, my babe, no fun,
 * No fun to be alone,
 * Walking by myself.
 * No fun to be alone,
 * In love with nobody else.


 * Well, maybe go out,
 * Maybe stay home.
 * Maybe call Moum on the telephone.
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * No fun to be alone
 * No fun to be alone
 * Hang on, don't let me go
 * No fun to be alone.


 * 23:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Fart
You've been here for ages now and I haven't farted in your userspace yet, so here, take it like a man. 02:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

For you


09:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

-
I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY SINCERITY, OR TO ANY PERSON WHO LABELS ME A TROLL.

ASoRK
What about creating a new, much better Wiki, which is really rational? I'd suggest to call it A Storehouse of Rational Knowledge. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 09:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Or A Rational Source of Enlightenment. 09:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * ARSE doesn't appeal to me, truth be told. More of a fanny man. MarcusCicero 11:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I was really polite
But dude, you can't seem to just give it up. I gave you three simple options...... You choose third. Reap what you sew. Ace McWickedI'm a pretty big deal around here... 12:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Stay and enjoy RW for what is and avoid what you dont like.
 * Leave for good and we'd all forget.
 * Continue to be a prat and expect to be flamed and vandal binned.
 * Ace, no offense, but you are behaving like an autocrat. I am not a vandal so you cannot put me in the vandal bin. If you think I am a troll - fine - not much I can do about that. But Rationalwiki of all places should be able to deal with a bit of trolling without resorting to bans and vandal binnings.
 * And you do not decide what RW is and what it isn't. I'm not forcing anything on anybody, merely expressing an opinion. If you don't like that opinion then don't adopt the measures I propose - I AM NOT FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING SO PLEASE STOP BEHAVING AND THINKING LIKE AN AUTOCRAT. MarcusCicero 14:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Can we both put emotions to the side and just be rational?!


 * Marcus: RationalWiki is ultimitally the sum of its editors, and no matter how much one or two or three editors here hate internet memes and humour, it will still go on. If it really bugs you, just do what I do when something (rarely enough) bugs me, turn around and whistle. (I find Never Gunna Give You Up to be a good tune). If you are sincere in your desires for a more serious wiki, RationalWiki will never be it, but you can do what you believe is best by making articles the way you would want them to be created.


 * And Ace, yes, I disagree with Marcus and think he may be just a troll, but the other side of me figures that he just may be sincere, and the vandal bin is indeed a vandal bin, not a troll bin. Just about the entire community disagrees with Marcus's attempts to be serious on RationalWiki, and with that prevailing attitude, I think I can honestly say that anything Marcus proposes will never get through. So long as we keep biting his ass when he bites ours, recent changes will be flooded with an awful lot of grumpy people (and presumably, a rise in average blood pressure of all RW users).


 * So let the show go on. I see no reason to get involved in most Marcus discussions because they all wind up in the same place, accusations of trolling and doucebaggery and pompousness and general wankery going in every direction. Can't we all just grow up, or is everyone going to keep going this way? 14:24, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not asking for a more serious wiki. Just a more rational wiki. Just a wiki that actually goes some way to matching the lofty goals you set for yourself in the about section and in the Mission statement. there is a reason why the intellectual heavyweights have left - attitudes like Ace (The parody of the redneck boozer in South Park) telling someone that if you don't like it you can just geeeeet out doesn't help. MarcusCicero 14:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, agree and disagree. From where I sit, your definition of a rational wiki is your definition, and my definition of a rational wiki is my own, just as Human has his own and Kels has her own. There is no single right or wrong definition of what this wiki should be. Now, I do agree with you, the attitude of "like it or leave it" is vaugly remniscant of a "light vs dark" philosophy, one that I can honestly say I disagree with. However, calling someone a moron while inserting words into an article is also something I disagree with.


 * I am not asking you to leave, but I am asking you to do this - look at how you react when people inpugn on you, just refrain from striking back. When someone says "troll" just ignore it. You will find that not responding with negative force might help out the image of you in RationalWiki, and might give you more leeway in asking for changes.  14:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It may be called vandal bin, but surely, its use should not necessarily be confined to vandals. Until now, I didn't get involved in the whole MC-debate, but I want to state that I think that the vandal bin is a very apt place for MC to be in. If MC is insulted by the label, let's rebrand it: deep thinker drawer? goat free zone? That should make MC happy!
 * 14:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why should he be reduced to one edit every half hour? Because he says things we don't like? 14:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * short answer: yes, because he does nothing else but saying things we don't like. 15:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Unproductive activity, such as 90% saying things we don't like and only 10% saying things we like, may result in vandal binning of the account. I like it! 15:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm absolute okay with being unproductive! 15:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm struggling to understand how your matter can exist and not implode with a serious overdose of irony and hypocrisy. MarcusCicero 15:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not okay with being counterproductive! 16:03, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * To think all of this came out as a result of me creating a reforming group within rationalwiki which is non cumpulsory and voluntary in nature. You people really need to work out why you got so worked up by it because quite frankly its a complete mystery to me. MarcusCicero 15:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You didn't "create a group" - you just pontificated about a hypothetical group. It's not a group if there's only you in it.  If you think RW needs to be more intellectual, then try leading by example - isn't that the jist of the whole reform group thing anyway?  Let's see some substantive contributions.  15:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * 'Substantive Contributions'? What does that mean here? Articles are guarded by an unfunny cadre who like making claims like 'Maggie Thatcher is to the left of Reagan' or that 'The Cold War was about sugar' MarcusCicero 15:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes. More shopworn excuses why you can't practice what you preach. You'll notice no one else has any trouble writing articles. Just you. That's because you don't write articles, all you do is your tired little edit by deletion with abrasive edit comment routine. Then you whinge when people revert you. It's getting old, stop it. Oh, and as regards 'The Cold War was about sugar'... Is it any wonder that I couldn't be bothered to take the discussion further when you so blatantly misrepresent what I was saying? -- 16:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

You know that talk pages are community property....
...so why break the rules when you're currently trying to get the place to live up to the rules? And if Jeeves's last comments are really "extreme personal attacks and trolling" to you, you need to grow a fuckin' pair, Princess. RaoulDuke 18:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Trolling newbies
Where? 18:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Here. Poor guy signs up and gets his first thread hijacked by Ireland's only miserable prick. -- 18:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not really trolling. 19:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * don't even bother to try and stand in the way PH. These cunts would turn on you in an instant. You and I know this is ridiculous but sometimes the mob needs its meat. MarcusCicero 22:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Article checklist - articles that are wrong, immature and resistant to reason
As I pointed out, one is a red link, hard to defend or attack. Otherwise, why not say why they grub your steak? On your user page, or on their talk pages?

PS, Religion is stupid. There, I said it. 09:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll pray for you.


 * I think it was meant to be Historical revisionism MarcusCicero 14:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

The sad part is...
...We could be on the same side and have sensible discussions here, as with the Lisbon Treaty thread. Sadly you had to go bossing people about when they just wanted some light-hearted internettage, which got up everyone's noses. It's up to the one to lighten up a bit, rather than the many to get serious. Totnesmartin 12:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't really know what you mean. All I ever want is quality discussions but the likes of Jeeves and Toast see everything I ever do as trolling. I was sincere with the reform society and am sincere in how I want this place to change, slightly, to something more meaningful. But everyone takes it the wrong way and thinks I want to forcefully change things. If you ask me, its the people who fly off the handle with ridiculous reactions who are the problem, not me. MarcusCicero 13:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I was about to start a new topic but I see TM got here first. The problem is with the way you go about debating. I'm quite prepared to listen to what you have to say if you say it without insulting other people. At the moment I picture you as a red-faced man with a small bald patch shouting from atop a soapbox outside Hyde Park. You may well have something to say that I want to hear, but until I can remove my fingers from my ears, I'm unlikely to expend the effort. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 16:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, but in general over the last couple of days (Before the witch hunt) have I raised my internet voice? I was under the impression in the reform debate that I didn't really go down a nasty route, and that it was merely Jeeves and the like over-reacting to some pretty inane and uncontroversial proposals. MarcusCicero 16:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Sock
They (the morons in charge of this wet-end site) think I am a sock of you. RWatcher 20:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you're a sock of his brother, actually. RaoulDuke 20:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

20:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Whatever happened to all the fun in the world?"--Frank Zappa. RaoulDuke 20:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, it was actually a sock of Ace. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 20:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I might be a sock of MC... Hmmm... Web 21:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a sock of MC, and so's my wife goat! Totnesmartin 21:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am a sock of MC, CUR and TK. Plus I play in a Polka band and I was the second guman on the grassy knoll. I also killed Jimmy Hoffa and buried him in a shroud at Atlantis. A shroud which is now known as Turin. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 21:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * it's known as a whole city? A shroud that hosted the Winter Olympics and had The Italian Job (proper version) filmed in it must be a pretty good shroud. Totnesmartin 22:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Stop making socks of me
Just stoppit. MarcusCicero 09:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Your indentation style
Please try to keep it sensible; it makes discussions easier to follow. 13:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Hi MC. How's everything? 18:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a trick of some sort, a nasty cruel trick involving 4chan and the internet. Needless to say 'Super'Josh I am doing just fine. MarcusCicero 09:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never been on 4chan, and I've only heard of it through you blathering on about it. I asked how you were simply to see what your reaction would be like, given the general view of you on the site. At any rate, thanks for replying. 20:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Demotion
You have been demoted to Sysop again. Your mop and bucket will now be available on the special pages. There are plenty of people who seem happy with this and how you've been acting for the past few weeks so don't abuse their trust, please. 14:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hahahaha
You're a miserable cunt. Ha ha ha I do so enjoy laughing at those beneath me. Ha ha ha. AceMcWicked 19:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, how that mental illness going? How is your brother? Are you on lithium? AceMcWicked 19:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 19:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You worry to much Goonie. Here, have a Fresca. AceMcWicked 19:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I like you Ace. I like you a lot. Funny guy. Funny guy. MarcusCicero 21:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ho ho ho ho ho! I know I shouldn't make fun of someone with a severe mental illness but, what the hey, I ain't a very nice person anyway. AceMcWicked 21:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologised for that Ace. And my motivations were very clear at the time as well - Kels put me in a box and I thought it would be a laugh to pretend to be nuts. I'm not sure why now. Either way its perhaps one of the internets greatest failures and I apologise. Not much else I can do about it anyway. But have fun doing whatever it is that your doing. MarcusCicero 22:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I know you apologised but I am still having fun at your expense. How's your bro John? AceMcWicked 22:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * One of the Internet's greatest failures? Not at all- it's nothing next to Yahoo buying GeoCities for billions and billions of dollars.  Corry 23:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A moment of silence for GeoCities. -- 01:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I put you in a box? Sorry, I don't remember that.  Hopefully I poked air holes beforehand. --Kels 17:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I was named (Hence boxed away) a troll by you for objecting to Ann Coulter's indulgent characterisation as a 'historical revisionist'. The mental illness stunt was simply a venting of frustration in order to allow you lot to simply dismiss me on the grounds of insanity, if for only a while. So in other words I became troll temporarily because I was constantly being accused of being a troll. MarcusCicero 20:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That's pretty weak soup, Marcus. Especially given I was hardly alone in calling you a troll and you'd already been trolling a good deal before that.  The mental illness fake-out took me a bit by surprise, honestly, since it was a lot more serious than what you had been doing to that point. --Kels 13:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The only reason I did it was so I could come right out of leftfield. I do know it was a bad thing to do, even on the internet. And what trolling? Where do you get off saying that? MarcusCicero 18:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Seriously, it's hard to look at your edit history and think anything but. --Kels 21:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha I didn't know about this! Oh my sweet schlafly, this is too good! ''Hi, This is John's brother. I know he has been using this account for a variety of reasons, none of them productive for his troublesome history of mental health problems. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about this but suffice to say my mother and father have decided to withdraw his access from the internet for the duration of his most recent treatment process. I apologise on my brothers behalf for any problems he may have caused this website during his period of instability. As you know, his posts have been of a bizarre quality but that is merely a reflection of his real world mental anguishes. MarcusCicero (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)'' Wow...--Tom Moore fiat justitia 20:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey!
You haven't changed a bit in nearly 2 years. :) --מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי          שְׁלֹום!
 * Still a cunt, amn't I? MarcusCicero 13:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuck You.
You seem to think that by reading what we write in the context of our online personas that you are entitled to have some pretty strong ideas about what kind of people we are in "real life," and some of the things you have said about me and others is downright hurtful. Maybe it's the nature of the medium, and perhaps this a case of "pot--kettle--black," (the internet lends itself to treating people like they're not real people, and I'm probably as guilty of that as a lot of people) but your recent crackback--implying that I somehow am too dim-witted to appreciate intellectual activity for its own sake--really got on my tits. So fuck off, MC. You're being mean-spirited, petty, disruptive, and worst of all, No Fun. TheoryOfPractice 23:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I love that song by Sex Pistols. No Fun. I tried to embed it here but it's such a fucking pain trying to embed YouTube videos. So instead I took the liberty of replicating the song lyrics here for your reading pleasure, MC. I hope you enjoy.
 * No fun, my babe, no fun.
 * No fun, my babe, no fun.
 * No fun to hang around,
 * Feeling that same old way.
 * No fun to hang around,
 * Freaked out for another day.


 * No fun, my babe, no fun,
 * No fun, my babe, no fun,
 * No fun to be alone,
 * Walking by myself.
 * No fun to be alone,
 * In love with nobody else.


 * Well, maybe go out,
 * Maybe stay home.
 * Maybe call Moum on the telephone.
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * Well, come on, well, come on
 * No fun to be alone
 * No fun to be alone
 * Hang on, don't let me go
 * No fun to be alone.


 * 23:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am unapologetic. The beauty of the internet is that we are free to speak our minds free of social decorum by virtue of our anonymity, and I get to be as sharp and critical as I like (Which is impossible to do in RL) I have seen comments like that a few times from you which truly baffled me; hence, I find it very clear that you are too dimwitted to appreciate intellectual activity for its own sake. Sorry if that offends you! MarcusCicero 23:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ToP is right though anyway. AceMcWicked 00:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Does it get lonely on your pedestal, MC? TheoryOfPractice 00:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Pedestal?
 * --<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 00:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * MC is quite correct that the internet allows one to be an anonymous asshole. TOP is quite correct that MC "succeeds" in this regard.  03:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * MC, we are free to speak our minds, but we're still subject to the effects. Social rules vary, but ultimately a jerk is still a jerk, offline or online. It's difficult to get a slap in the gob via the Internet, but it's pretty easy to be described as an ounce of common sense mixed-in with a pound of dog shit and broken glass. Yup, I think that's a fairly accurate picture I'm painting there.-- 15:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel that with Marcus it is best to get past the anger that his language and demeanour generates and see him for what he is, a constant and unending supply of humour. He's like one of those wind up dolls where you pull a string and they 'speak'. As with the dolls the list of utterances is limited but, in his case, it is also peppered with obscenities. I really feel that there's a win/win situation here. We prop up his fragile ego by giving him a community where he can feel superior whilst we get the laughs. That's a deal I'd buy into any day. Bob Soles 15:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree with Bob Soles any more on this one. 15:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * MC as court jester - I like it! Totnesmartin 15:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What about MC bingo? Totnesmartin 15:54, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (ECx2)I only half (or maybe a quarter) agree, but mostly because I don't find MC particularly funny. I think fobbing it all off as "an endless supply of humour" does a lot to almost legitimise some quite nasty and vile posting - whether it is sincere or otherwise. I like to think of MC, not as humourous, but just as a very literal application of Dickwad theory. Anyway, I don't wish to stroke and massage anyone's ego, that's one paraphilia I'm not into. 16:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * To me MC has always been the drunken git in the corner who shouts at all the other customers and reckons everyone else is a stupid fucker. Maybe it was just the pubs in north London, but they always seemed to be Irish. ;) 16:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * To me MC has always been the drunken git in the corner who shouts at all the other customers and reckons everyone else is a stupid fucker. Maybe it was just the pubs in north London, but they always seemed to be Irish. ;) 16:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

A general message to all Rationalwikians
I am in the midst of preparing a series of essays which will bring Rationalwiki to its knees under the weight of its revealed hypocrisy. I shall answer all of my critics therein. MarcusCicero 17:19, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, I can't wait. "GENTLEMEN: OPERATION FLYING SUBMARINES WILL MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN!!!11!1. In regards to Rationalwiki's presence on the Internet, these Essays may mark the end of Rationalwiki not being on its knees on the Internet. Olé!! Olé!! Olé!!" . TheoryOfPractice 17:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Please, please, please! Oooh! I'm Soooo excited I'm using multiple exclamation marks!!!! Bob Soles 17:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay, it's about time you waste more of your time on even more nonsense! 17:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (ECx2)The sound you hear is me scurrying off to the shop to cut the dies for the TLDR medallions I propose to strike to commemorate this happily much-anticipated occasion. You think fifty bucks each apiece will be enough to keep them from being skipped across too many ponds? Sprocket J Cogswell 17:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * DO IT MARCUS!!!! BRING US DOWN ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!! Aceof Spades 18:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Scoff all you like. No amount of ridicule can absorb the power of the pen. MarcusCicero 18:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will scoff with impunity. Aceof Spades 18:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * After all, the penis mightier than the sword, right? TheoryOfPractice 18:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * These witty comebacks must have taken seconds to formulate. MarcusCicero 18:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

row row fight the power

Go Marcus, though you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, you have no fear, for you have right on your side. Fuck yeah. --  ䷉䷻䷶䷈䷰䷒䷰䷈䷶䷈䷡   ䷶䷀䷵䷥


 * Hang on, wouldn't Marcus bringing about our downfall require him to actually do something rather than just bitch on the sidelines? After all, he has a hundred lame excuses Very Good Geasons for not doing so. --Kels 16:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Words are an authoritarians greatest nightmare Kels. You should know this, they drive you crazy. MarcusCicero 16:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sasquatch! Pomegranate!  Carburetor!  Take that, you authoritarians! --Kels 17:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute MC, aren't you the one who gets on our case for talking too much? 18:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I know
that was you, mother fucker. You want to fuck around, take it somewhere else. I don't have time for your shit, so sod off. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 17:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Eh? I genuinely don't know what your talking about. MarcusCicero 18:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Fuck. Carry on. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello
As a relatively new person in RW, I have some difficulties with understanding some aspects of RW. Besides my puzzlement over people whose focus is allegedly rational thinking, but who are actually uploading pictures of the food they last ate, I don't understand phenomenons like MarcusCicero. Can someone sum it up in few words? All I see is a relatively unfunny person who has nothing really-really interesting to say, and yet the "recent changes" looks like fossil records of his talk page. I'm simply confused. --Earthland 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * My purpose here is to point out the ludicrousness of having a website call itself a 'champion of rationality', while concurrently posting up pictures of the latest food they ate. There is also the institutional idiocy and adherence to crank ideas, but thats a different story. MarcusCicero 18:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * He just hates the idea of the fact that we trade jibs and jabs and happen to enjoy eachother's company over the internet.  18:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As we are a loose community people enjoy sharing recipes, furnishings etc hence the pics of dinner. We also share tips on brewing and other community activities. Marcus seems to think, well I am not sure what he thinks we should be doing however as a social group we do more than merely report on things. Marcus cannot get involved as he has no life to share. Aceof Spades 19:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * To Marcus: Is rationalwiki calling itself a "champion of rationality"? RW has some very good articles, especially those concerning creationism and conservapedia. I hate those goat jokes in articles that should be or even are meant to be serious, for example the article "Large Hadron Collider". But so what? RW is not an encyclopedia, all in all. And you're not really doing a good job to achieve your goal.--Earthland 19:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You are quite right Earthland and personally, although it is an old joke, I have never got into the whole "goat" thing myself but "So what?" is right on the money. RW is RW and never states to be a "champion of rationality". It is a community of like minded individuals of which Marcus is not one but for some reason he sticks around. Perhaps he has no where else to go. Aceof Spades 19:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well we might be a champion of rationality but we don't claim to be the champion. RationalWiki was set up first and foremost as a community of like-minded individuals who happened to subscribe to a rational world-view and happened to meet through Conservapedia. We know that we're not Wikipedia so our articles will never be as in-depth with facts and references but we use the wiki-format to do things that WP doesn't do and then do other things in a different way. Any collaborative work needs to have a fun element so that people stick around. MC objects to the saloon bar but it's like going to the pub after a political meeting or three hours of the uni debating society. 20:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I never got the goat thing, but I'm not in the cabal, so I wouldn't. It's just stuck. It's nice as a mascot and identity thought. 18:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Burnout
My glorious run has ended. This is not a case of 'leaving and never coming back', but more a case of 'burn out'. I created a personality on the internet so radically different from the real life version that I've forgotten even what trolls remorse feels like.. (You can thank Refugee over on RWW for providing the impetus)

My highlights on RW:

Making loads of people mad, especially Ace, Susan, Jeeves (Hi Jeeves! Wanker) and also Kels.

Doing my best to persuade half of you that I 'was a dick who has something worthwhile to say', while really just being a dick and doing my best to annoy as many people as possible.

Continuously rejecting the label of troll; even though I was the most transparent 'concern troll' in history.

Riding the wave of mock grievance; So many times you put me on the centre stage with a semi reasonable grievance and I made sure to maximise the fallout as much as possible.

Pretending to be a scholar (I know fuck all)

One regret:

Stooping to do the mental illness stunt. That was a terrible miscalculation.

Adios RW! I may pop in from time to time, but at least now you'll know for sure than I'm a fully fledged troll! MarcusCicero 19:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You fucking idiot! We ALL (at least us longtime users) knew you were a troll dickhead, just because you reject it doesn't mean we do. Moron. Aceof Spades 19:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Closest you got to actually making me mad was the mental health thing. That went way beyond the pale.  But the rest of the time I was just making fun of you.  I imagine the others were pretty much the same. --Kels 19:53, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I said it last week: And when we react with annoyance that he doesn't help at all and just acts like a dick all the time, he gets to quietly laugh to himself about how we're all his puppets and and reacting just like he wanted us to. Oh ho look how clever he is as the puppetmaster! It's a pretty common Internet thing (dare I say "meme"?) for those who fail at life to claim that failure was always their purpose, and so it is with MC.--Tom Moorefiat justitia 19:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 19:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I really like the "personality so radically different" bit. No, guys, honest, I'm not a terrible cunt all the time, this is just me being radically different!  Also, at what point do you think you fooled anyone about being a troll?  You were continuously called a troll by everyone, every time you posted anything.  You're like a Frenchman proclaiming how great the Maginot Line was.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 19:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Goodbye then.--BobNot Jim 19:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Dammit, I was actually convinced that he was that hypocritical in real life. Oh, wait... 20:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, when a troll retires its only dignified to wish him good luck. Can anyone reccomend another site that I could troll with impunity, a fresh start so to speak? MarcusCicero 20:03, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Marcus no one likes you so no one cares whether you have good luck or not. Idiot. Fuck off over to aSK. Aceof Spades 20:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Now now Ace, I seek only your admiration. If I like to do a little bit of editing on RW after a few joints then whats the problem? You're all equal losers at the end of the day. I like to go by a rule of thumb that if you know how to use wiki code then you're probably not worth knowing anyway. And if you need to make friends on the internet... Well, it only means you can't make them in real life! Losers. MarcusCicero 20:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't admire trolls, what's to admire? You are still trolling Marcus. Here, I'll help you stop...........Aceof Spades 20:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * MC, I look forward to your reincarnation. Broccoli 20:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Bye!
We knew you were a troll the whole time, but fuck, I found it entertaining. I've not been a longtime contributor in the same way that Ace, Human, Susan, etc are, but I've been here 8 months now, and I've found your company quite entertaining. Take care! 02:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Pitchforks and vandal bin
If you need time to make several edits efficiently while adding to your essays let me know by pmail or my user talk page and I'll de-vandal you for the "duration". In order to avoid having pitchforks puncturing my buttocks, you understand I will then re-vandal you, after all, you did do those silly page deletions. But I am interested in your essay series and don't want your edit rate limitation to prevent the glorification of our edit namespace. PS, I'm mostly around from 2-ish PM EST to 2-ish AM, so don't bother outside that window. Goatspeed! 04:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why bother? So it takes longer for him to crap on the page, so what?  I don't recall part of RW's mission being "making life easier for admitted concern trolls and vandals". --Kels (talk) 05:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought one of RW's founding goals was to protest CP's blocking of everybody with a contrary POV? Unblocking someone long enough so they can state that POV seems entirely fair and sensible to me. If he abuses it, then that's the price this site pays for being genuinely open. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 05:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's why we have the vandal bin, "This is a cute trick as it allows RW to, in effect, infinitely ban vandals - while at the same time maintaining their liberal credentials and not actually banning them at all. It other words it allows RW sysops to chemically castrate users while maintaining that they technically are still able to use their testicles." . MC can keep posting his essays from the bin, there's no need to unbin him. -- Nx  / talk 12:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Since MarcusCicero isn't around to say it himself, I will attempt to channel his trolling spirit: it's my impression that very little that happens here is actually related to RW's stated mission, so who cares whether this is part of it or not? --TheRealMarkGall (talk) 05:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to help rectify this perceived shortage of on-mission activity. Surely you could help us improve our mathematics articles, or make new articles about mathematics cranks? 05:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Taking my lead from Conservapedia:Parodist, I only want to "point out [RW]'s stupidities without helping it". I'm sure I could improve your math articles, but based on Talk:Delta function, nobody here knows whether math articles are on-mission, so it would seem a waste of my time.  Besides, I can't think of any reason for someone to come here for math in the first place; CP, in contrast, aspires to be a reasonably comprehensive encyclopedia, so it's conceivable that someone might actually want to read a math article there.
 * I've never found mathematics cranks particularly interesting, but if you ever want my input on an article I'll be happy to pitch in. --TheRealMarkGall (talk) 06:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Helping it" refers to inserting more stupididty, not improving the site. A lot of people here tried to improve Conservapedia, for example the math articles. Their contributions were thrown out because they made Ed Poor look not so smart as he would like to believe, or they didn't fit into Andy's ideology. And the first users of RW were CP editors who approached Conservapedia with good faith (even if they disagreed with it), tried to improve it, but were banned for ideological reasons.
 * As for not being on-mission, yes that is correct, we don't have delusions of grandeur like CP, and we're not trying to be a general purpose encyclopedia. We already have Wikipedia for that. -- Nx  / talk 12:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We're a small community, here. We do socialize a lot, since in large part we're here to have fun.  We laugh at goings-on at Conservapedia and A Storehouse of Knowledge and elsewhere, chit-chat in the Saloon Bar, and engage in really silly block-wars and the like.  But then we also have some truly excellent articles that are quite on-topic.  I have written numerous ones myself, most lately  Everlasting No - which in fact serves as a good example.  But I don't think any of us would work much on anything if we didn't also love the fun that pervades the place.  It's the thing that builds our community.  If that's not for you, maybe RW isn't either, and that's fair enough.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 07:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

MC's prior actions dictate that he requires either vandalbinning or babysitting, and if Human has so much free time that he's willing to take on the latter, well, that works for me. Fedhaji (Talk) 10:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If this works out, I wonder if Human might be willing to pay MC for his valuable time and the contribution he makes to the site. Sysopship and 'Cratship, ahoy! --Kels (talk) 12:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The only reason I offered is that if he adds another essay, he should at least link to it from the intro. So even if he completely edits the new one off-line (easy enough to use preview to tweak it), it makes sense that he might need to make several edits in rapid succession.  In the unlikely event of him taking me up on my offer, I'll just unbin him and watch his contribs like a hawk.  The basic assumption is that he'd be done in minutes and could then be rebinned.  Of course, if he plans carefully, he could add a redlink, then go write it and save it in half an hour, I suppose. Also, there's nothing to stop other people from adding inter-essay links as he adds them.  21:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * My heart bleeds for the poor thing, really it does. Also, no.  I don't think that's reasonable.   --Kels (talk) 01:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If Huw is willing to put in the effort and accept responsibility for MC, I don't see why not. 01:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

This is unfucking believable
Again with MC? Again? Really? Are you fucking serious? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Why are we so completely hamstringed by some irish douchebag AGAIN. What the fuck, jesus mother on a stake - just fucking vandal bin him and leave it that. Why do does have to be debated ad nasuem without resolve. Nail that nail and lets get on with the pointless activities we call life. I mean, fuck. I am bemused by the sedentary attitude and unwillingness to deal with it and just, you know, move the fuck on. Why such pantomime? (etc etc - repeat and grumble) Aceof Spades 06:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We're a group of people dedicated to being rational and with a wiki about it, which makes us even more conscientious about it. Additionally, many of us are liberal and have nontraditional religious beliefs, which makes us even more conscientious about the sanctity of every person's right to criticize.  So we willingly bend over backwards over and over to make sure that sanctity is paramount, even if it means we put up with a lot of crap from assholes like him.
 * To my way of thinking, it's not such a bad thing. There are far worse sins than to be going to every length to make sure dissent is heard.
 * That said, his ass is staying in the bin until the end of time.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 06:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing about MC and his essays are that they are not his POV. We are not stopping him expressing his real opinions in any way.  Why not? Read his confession above. "I was the most transparent 'concern troll' in history" A concern troll does not express its views - it invents views in an attempt to manipulate other users in a negative way. Given that he describes his activities in this way I can't see why anybody would wring their hands about him having difficulty doing continuing with these activities. --BobNot Jim 07:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Given what was said above, surely you are capable of tolerating trolling with a little grounding in truth. I am a concern troll, who doesn't care how you deal with my 'concerns', but my 'concerns' are grounded in truth. Which is why it makes you mad. If I was saying absolutely nothing worthwhile you would simply laugh me off and not rise to me in any way. The fact that you do displays your insecurities

And also, me being in the vandal bin is absurd. I am no vandal, I deleted those pages in the full knowledge that they would be reverted back. No malicious intent whatsoever; it was in the context of a block war I was getting bored with and took to the next level. MarcusCicero (talk) 12:32, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. I went to the shopping mall today and shouted at passers-by telling them they're dick-headed cunts, and then I smashed a few shop windows (which doesn't matter because they'll get replaced really quickly) and yet I got thrown out of the mall and banned. What gives? I was just having some fun. 12:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A concern troll has no interest in truth - only the appearance of truth to cause disruption.
 * All vandals naturally know that their vandalism will be reverted. No vandal expects their vandalism to be permanent. Saying "I knew it would be reverted therefore it isn't vandalism" is the lamest excuse imaginable.--BobNot Jim 13:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Every now and then I see someone announcing that they are an agent of karmic retribution. Saying so is an almost sure guarantee of not being one. Along similar lines, it takes a pretty narcissistic view to proclaim you are just harassing RW for its own good. Got a lot of respect for Human's energy here, me, but I disagree that letting you out of the vandal bin is anything near a good thing, even on brief paroles. You can edit all you want offline, and toss in your "contributions" at the rate of two an hour. It is for your own good, you see, and will build character. And enough with the whining about not being a vandal; you need to get beyond the names of things. The vandal bin is not just for vandals, and it's a pretty good fit for the likes of you. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 13:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * He only whines to soften up Human or another crat enough to let him out of the bin before going on one of his "RAAAAHH LET JESUS FUCK YOU" rampages. I vote to keep him in the bin permanently. 15:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I vote keep him binned, and don't fall for his "woe is me, let me out" bullshit again by keeping him there. I also think we should de-crat anyone who makes him a sysop again. He's had the powers, at least, 2 times and has shown he can't handle them.  15:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Something I've been meaning to mention is that someone needs to pull together a good link to the logs showing his page deletion vandalism in case it comes up again in 3 months. Is that thing about his crazy brother a template? (Probably) If so, the link should be added to it. 21:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I say that MC has one too many chances. Can we just start an AA case against him, fake a trial, rig the jury, and ban him?  I know as a fact that there are a lot of members that would rather have him gone, and the majority should have its way.  -- 01:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, no, no, no! As much as I hate MC and want him gone, the best thing about RW is that we talk rather than just acting irresponsibly. More discussion won't hurt the matter. 01:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Tetronian, best get some band-aids for your heart lest you bleed to death. Time and time again it has been shown he is a troll; he himself has admitted it. He has nothing to discuss; he just wants to annoy us and waste time. Just keep him in te bin. EddyP (talk) 18:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Done, Human.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 01:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

MarcusCicero is one of the last things that keeps you group of aging old men remotely interesting. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 18:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So sad. I've seen better "essays" taped to dorm room doors. I recognize loser drama queen writing style when I see it. Dickweed. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 20:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Who you talking to, SJ? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 21:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not talking at all, typing. MC writes like a loser drama queen. You figure out the rest. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 21:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * God you must be old as the fucking hills. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 21:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not, the fucking hills are a lot younger than God. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 21:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Did he tell you that way back when? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 21:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Jesus
Whether I admit to being a troll or not is completely seperate to whether I am vandal or not. The vandalism came at the end of a dragged on block war and I thought it would be good fun to take it to the next level, knowing I would be both punished and that the articles would be reverted. They were random page articles for Christs sake. I had sysop powers for so long, and I never vandalised? Why do you think that is? Call me a vandal if it makes you feel better but you're only deluding yourselves. MarcusCicero (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Marcus, you are either lying or deluded. You did vandalize, and therefore you are a vandal. That is why you were binned. 16:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I live in the land of ice hockey, where if you check someone in "good fun to take it to the next level," you need to be ready for them to take it to further levels you might not like. Life goes on, and most folks don't care one way or the other. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

This is absurd, do you take pride in deluding yourselves? Considering I had sysop powers and I only went on one rampage, this makes CONTEXT KEY. Be as ridiculous as you want but branding me a vandal is childish, to say the least. Look at it like this: With the power of words I made Jeeves and Susan go away and come back under new usernames, I made at least four or five users threaten a childish 'leaving and never coming back' thing and caused no end of aggro and splits over me personally. Using just words I did all this. Why would I need to vandalise? Can you at least rename the bin and call it something else? Us trolls hold vandals in contempt. MarcusCicero (talk) 13:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * MC, you may be right about not being a vandal by traditional standards, but since you are a troublemaking troll (which even you admit) then that is sufficient reason to keep you binned. 13:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't. Broccoli (talk) 13:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It isn't? Look, he admits that he's just here to be a troll, so why should we feed him? 13:42, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You aren't required to feed MC (though I'd recommend it). He's in the bin for vandalism. Broccoli (talk) 14:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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spaghetti bolognese in troll feeding terms
Make use of the fact that the headline on RC today says "Human Rights Day: Dignity and justice for all of us." I don't have a telly, so I'm enjoying this. 21:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can only edit once every half hour. My human rights are infringed and I demand a formal wiki trial to prove my innocence. MarcusCicero (talk) 22:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Those bastards.
 * I think a wiki trial would be a hilarious chance for me to laugh at everyone as we try and explain your silly actions and you try and defend your silly actions. Unfortunately As a consequence of said silly actions, everyone will regard your right to a free trial as trolling. Which, to be fair, it is. 22:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * MarcusCicero is undeniably the victim of administrative abuse. Given time to properly research these transgressions, I'm confident he will be absolved and ungagged. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

A fair trial
I think a Rationalwiki trial, with my own wiki lawyer would be quite fun. Just think of my speech from the dock! Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet and Padraig Pearse, how about ya. 'Spirit of Swift, Spirit of Molyneux, Ireland is now a nation!' Henry Grattan. Think of the rhetoric! MarcusCicero (talk) 23:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be fun, I suppose. For all of five minutes. Then everyone would remember that you are a troll and that you abused your sysop powers, and then they would just continue to ignore you and go on with their lives. 23:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to represent you. I can say I went to Harvard law, and since its the internet nobody will ever know if I did or did not. Web (talk) 00:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll represent you for my regular rate of $320 per hour. Let me know if you're interested. I take credit cards, paypal, or checks (10 days to clear my operating account). 00:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The road will be difficult and may bring down your reputation. Rationalwikians will shun you and cast you out from their club. You will wander a dark path with only the barest glimpse of light leading to redemption. All will hate and despise you. Truth will be your guide. But it will not be enough. You will need nerves of steel and a constitution so hardy that even the greatest Spartan would be envious. If you choose this, I will be beside you in eternal encouragement in our joint quest to rid this place of its all encompassing evil. It will not be easy, and there will be no financial reward. Only honour. MarcusCicero (talk) 01:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't do it for honor, but I would do it for the lulz. 01:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Then you should go to law school and be his wikilawyer. I can't work for honor. It doesn't keep the lights on and I need to pay my pimp. 01:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I can't really change the course of my life just to suit MC's whims, but I would be willing to be his "public defender." Even though I personally think he belongs in the loony vandal bin. 01:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

It would be funny. As long as he stays in the vandal bin.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 01:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I genuinely despair. TomMoore has crossed the rubicon and reason has abandoned him. He no longer is capable of placing actions in their context or of thinking with an independent mind free of whatever group dynamics he's trapped in. It is with glorious ease that I can get around the vandal bin if I so desire; we need a trial to clear the air and establish the exact reasons for me being in the bin. Because despite Moore's felicitations to his compatriots, it doesn't stand up to reason. His newly invented meme forgets the context within which those actions took place. He is a coward and fool, in short.
 * You're in the vandal bin because you vandalized numerous pages by deleting them. There's not a whole lot of mystery about it.  If you want to see the pages, you can see the infobox above.  And I am delighted that, yes, it is a brand-new meme.  Somehow that's so much more poetic than anything else I can do.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 02:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is pretty ironic. You spent your time here campaigning against memes, yet now you are one. 02:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

(UD) I don't have a dog in this fight. At all. In fact, there's been enough negative energy around all this nonsense that I stay away from RW when Recent Changes gets clogged. It is for that reason alone that I wish for more effective policies in place for dealing with a fellow inclined to make trouble and the untoward behavior he incites in others. People binning and blocking, others coming along to unbin and unblock, it's all a painful sideshow that was made worse by the decision to demote then promote. I don't really care whether MC contributes substantively or not, nor do I care whether he likes memes or any other part of the culture here, as neither is a prerequisite to participating here. Even his refusal to participate except on his terms would normally be something the wiki could adapt to. I do care that his shenanigans seem to bring out the worst out in some prolific members. Something needs to give. Since it will always be too easy to vandalize this wiki and generally make a nuisance of yourself, it's not going to be MC (as he promises). There has to be a better way. Maybe a trial is in order. I'm not hopeful that we could agree on the rules. There's no central form of leadership here to impose even simple rules of procedure by fiat and I envision attempts to do so getting shouted down as tyranny as quickly as unilateral decisions to bin/unbin/block/unblock. But at some point even a community of anarchists needs rules. We've gotten to the point where we can't agree on how to approach the possibility of expelling someone who's made a minor mission of causing trouble and who isn't generally well-regarded. MC deserves due process (literally whatever process is due) but I'm not hopeful we can agree on what it is or should be. 02:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, well, I'll not hold my hopes up. But all I know is that their charge is fucking absurd. I mean, I was a member here for years and a sysop for many months, and I have no history of vandalism. I've wrote an explanation on RWW. I don't care other than about the principle of being called a vandal; its very annoying, and the pompous windbag Tom Moore is getting a great opportunity to wiggle his tail and purr up to his masters on RW, who truly treat him as the sub human sycophant he is. Considering how long I've been here and how much worse my trolling could have been, the charge of vandalism is a little too much to bear as it is as dishonest as it is childish. MarcusCicero (talk) 02:28, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well as someone who also has no opinion on Marcus Cicero way or the other and who is an (albeit unemployed for the moment) lawyer, I am willing, should MC agree, to offer my services as an adjudicator on all matters of fact and rules. I would be impartial, if nothing else.  --DamoHi 02:33, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC) I'm not sure how useful a trial would be. What we really need is to decide on a flexible yet practical policy for trolls & vandals. Trying MC would only create a policy for his particular case. But if there is enough interest in a trial then we should do it. 02:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We have one. The vandal bin, with the possibility of parole if someone can prove that they're not there for good resson. MC vandalized once, was binned and paroled, vandalized again. End of story. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 02:37, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Caveat: I don't take a position on whether MC was or was not properly binned. If this stands out as inconsistent with anything I've said previously I apologize. Now on to my point. We really don't have much of a coherent policy on vandal binning. I should have been desysopped and vandal binned ages ago. I routinely put pictures of dicks on my friends' userpages. 02:45, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (ECx2) You're right ToP, although it does seem like whenever someone trolls or does what MC, Fall down or TK did we run around in HCM until we can come to something of a consensus on what to do. Although I suppose there is nothing we can really do about that.
 * @Nutty: the difference is that you aren't offending or harming (in the wiki sense of the word) the people you do it to. I think the difference between trolling and humor is pretty clear. 02:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I vote for the ducking stool. Let him face traditional justice! --Kels (talk) 02:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I be judge? I swear to God (beat that) that I will be honest.  I'll even get out my KJV.  -- 03:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hell yes, get a KJV and also a giant banner with a fasces to hang on the wall behind you. 03:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * TOP, when was the "first" time he wandalized? 03:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I went back poking through the logs, and I think I'm mistaken on that--I thought for sure he was binned once for a clear, non-controversial, no-doubt-about-it wandalism spree, but I think I'm wrong about that. Except for some blanking of his talk page archives and his habit of removing talk page posts he doesn't like...and blocking 20 people, but that's a sysop violation, not vandalism. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:54, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The evidence of my trangressions grow weaker by the minute. A final showdown? If the trial is conducted fairly I will leave voluntarily. Lunacy (talk) 12:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No you won't. You'll bitch and moan and carp about how bad this place is and gloat about how you're so much better and smarter than us. You'll sock up, feign mental illness, and undoubtedly come up with new tactics and strategies designed to suck all the fun and energy out of this place. You're the herpes of RatWik--we're stuck with you for life, and must be resigned to the occaisional flare-up. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds to me like you're worried about the uncovering of your own transgressions against MarcusCicero during such inquest. Due diligence will absolve MarcusCicero and convict abusive administrators. So help me god, I'll have your mop by the time this is over. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 16:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Its rather clear that TOP fears a trial. After all, his evolution from free minded libertarian to out and out autocrat would be there for all to see. I will need around 4 or 5 researchers to conduct a case; a trial will be the only fair solution. Just imagine the poetry guys. Just think what an Irishman can do when given a chance to plead his innocence before a hostile jury. Lunacy (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Just to make it clear
On a point of principle,. I will not accept being hounded out by Ace Mc Wicked of all people. If you think MC was bad, my never-ending supply of socks will be infinitely worse. You can choose your own path here. Its not good for a site dedicated to trolling and vandalising CP to decide to get rid of a troll who thinks you all are horrible hypocrites. Lunacy (talk) 12:31, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The Asian futures market is showing some signs of recovery. 12:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones... -- 12:45, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * But house prices in Spain continue to decline.--BobNot Jim 12:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That was in nineteen-dickety-two, right? 12:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I like pie. Just sayin Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 13:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Bob always gives a real insight. 13:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you really so frivolous? Can't you see that my human rights are infringed? Please see article ten of the universal declaration of human rights. I will take my case to the Hague if needs be. Lunacy (talk) 15:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I desire you will do no such thing. Lizzy is not a bit better than the others; and I am sure she is not half so handsome as Jane, nor half so good-humoured as Lydia. But you are always giving her the preference. -- 15:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As Edmund Burke said when the mob killed Marie Antoinette; I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards, to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. Will no-one stand up for this man in distress? Lunacy (talk) 15:45, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Distress my arse. Yours is a tale of sound and fury, told by an idiot, signifying nothing. 15:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Is the question ' Why is a mouse when it spins? ' or ' Why is a mouse when it spins? '? Bob Soles (talk) 16:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's classified. Agents should be at your door presently to detain you.  Try to resist a little, they need the exercise. --Kels (talk) 16:31, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Away with your Scotch metaphysics, Soles! Lunacy (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Last year, our Australasian partners, and the various organisations affiliated with our Australasian associates put no fewer than twenty two things on top of other things! 16:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Of all the muffin recipes, those were the ones with the worst handwriting. Samuel J. Picklefeather knew he had to do something fast if he was going to save Old Barnaby's barn.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 20:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Marcus.
I don't know why you've persisted in the past few weeks and months in trying to tear apart this community. Maybe you really care about it and want to see it reach the kind of lofty goals that we set out for ourselves in the top-left-hand corner of the mainpage. If so, you are incredibly naive--few collective efforts rise to the goals they set out for themselves.

Maybe you're just a bully, the kind of kid who made my childhood and adolescence unbearable. Maybe you're a fundamentally cruel human being, the kind of guy who likes pulling the wings off of flies. Maybe your feigned mental illness wasn't so feigned after all. Maybe you're TK. Maybe you're just an asshole. It really doesn't matter.

'Cause you don't matter. 'Cause what you are to me right now is just another bit of evidence backing up a reading of the world as a fundamentally crappy place and of people as fundamentally mean, spiteful, and selfish beings. You found some weaknesses and kept exploiting them, poking at them and rubbing against them for no other reason than because it made you feel good. Why should I expect more of anybody?

I love this place. My work involves lots and lots of lonely hours of reading and writing, and being able to procrastinate by sharing some virtual time with people who were smarter than me and funnier than me was a highlight of my day. Pathetic maybe, but there it is. I learned a lot here, and was often brought to fits of laughter by the truly clever people who make up the bulk of this community. Good times. But you set out to take that apart, and, at least for now, it would seem you've pretty much succeeded. But don't feel too good about your accomplishment. It's an ugly world full of ugly people, and you are just one of them. If it hadn't've been you, it would've been somebody else.--Paul (TheoryOfPractice).


 * I find this post kind of revealing and speaks a lot about you. I too share your misanthropy Paul, otherwise I wouldn't bother with RW. My favourite book in the world is 'The Picture of Dorian Gray' - if you know what this book is about it should tell you quite a lot about me. The real question you need to ask is; 'How am I tearing away at anything?' What have I actually done in the last couple of days to warrant this kind of reaction? Have I threatened anyone? Have I bullied anyone? Have I committed any crimes? Have I directly hurt anyone? (How could I, you are all anonymous to me) In reality all I do is poke fun at a group of people on the internet. You say I re-inforce your belief that the world is fundamentally a crappy place - why then, are you a member of RW? How can you be so self righteous, like you are the eternally trampled victim of rapist mobs? RW is fundamentally bigoted and irrational, it targets groups of otherwise very nice people on account of their religious beliefs. Do you think you can just ignore this? Do you think you can just sprout your histrionic victim bullshit above and forget your and this websites own failings?


 * It is precisely because I am a misanthrope that I come here to re-inforce the idea that there is always a better way. Mankind doesn't always have to settle for being bullish, unintelligent, brash, or bigoted. RW doesn't have to be religious bigots. When you work out why it is that I go out of my way to mock you, please respond on this page.
 * You made it clear long, long ago that you weren't in this to protect those poor little religious people. I know I'm on sabbatical until this idiocy blows over, but I had to say that. 21:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not exclusively on some crusade to protect the religious, I am an admitted troll after all. But one thing that genuinely irks me is the irreligious' contempt for those of religious belief. Its a self satisfied, smug, and downright mean position to take. And it makes TOPs self victimisation a little hard to bear, to be honest. If he can prove to me that he's there the perfect person then he's free to use the victim card. In reality, he's just as guilty as the rest of you for making 'an ugly world full of ugly people'.
 * Oh, poor, poor, misunderstood Marcus. Only wishing to bring out the best in people, finding it so hard to understand the vitriol poured against him. My heart bleeds in sympathy. If you're read Pratchet's 'The Night Watch' then Carter would be a good name for a sock. Bob Soles (talk) 21:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Carcer", surely? 21:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course - serves me right for not fact checking before posting. Bob Soles (talk) 21:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I know you probably don't want to hear from me (or you "don't care"), but I think this explains a lot about how the way we've been interacting. I think you've taken my various parodies and snarky comments as me bullying you. In this medium (unlike those of your adolescence), you finally have the opportunity to be able to "stand up to the bully". Over the months, I was never sure if you were just out-parodying me, but now I understand why were taking this so seriously. Sorry...sort of. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 20:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Idiot
What did I tell you? Leaving and never coming back is sooo last season. If you're serious, I'll miss you, buddy. I hope we can still continue to communicate via email. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 21:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank god. Kindly sod off, Neveruse. And to think I supported you for 'crat. 21:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope we can repair our relationship after you learn not to take yourself so seriously. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 22:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not a special 'leaving and never coming back', I'm just getting bored is all. I've tried just about every tactic available, and even though I managed to piss everyone off, I still feel like I could have done more. I think I'll pick wild flowers under the sunset flanked by running waterfalls for a while. But I'm sublimely bored of RW at this stage. This troll has trolled as much as he can troll. Bye!


 * P.S - My sock account, who is deeply involved in day to day wankerishness around here will still be active. He was one of the vocal critics over the last couple of days. I'll let you work out who that sock is, but I honestly don't think you'll stand a chance. 86.40.101.193 (talk) 21:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No one fucking cares. 23:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I give it a month. Probably less.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 23:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Quo usque tandem abutere...
Marce, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia? Nihilne te nocturnum praesidium salooni, nihil wikii vigiliae, nihil timor editorum, nihil concursus bonorum omnium, nihil hic munitissimus habendi congressus locus, nihil horum ora voltusque moverunt? Patere tua consilia non sentis? constrictam iam horum omnium scientia teneri coniurationem tuam non vides? Quid proxima, quid superiore nocte egeris, ubi fueris, quos convocaveris, quid consilii ceperis, quem nostrum ignorare arbitraris?

O tempora, o mores! Sysopes haec intellegunt, crati vident: hic tamen vivit. Vivit? immo vero etiam in wikium venit, fit publici consili particeps, notat et designat oculis ad caedem unum quemque nostrum. Nos autem, fortes viri, satis facere wikio videmur, si istius furorem ac tela vitemus. Ad mortem te, Marce, duci iussu McWickedi iam pridem oportebat; in te conferri pestem quam tu in nos omnes iam diu machinaris. --Retwa (talk) 00:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sysop, as a contraction of "systems operator," would presumably be third declension.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 01:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point... go ahead and fix anything else I screwed up, it's been ages since I took Latin. --Retwa (talk) 01:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ihr habt doch alle einen an der Klatsche... Gmb (talk) 22:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The last thing I will ever say to you
I've been wondering for a while hwo to classify you. You are a troll, yes. But, like TheoryOfPracice, I've been wondering for forfuckingever just exactly how to classify you as an internet personality.

So, let me dwell on that which you are not. You are not an internet vandal. They would've done their damage and then left. You are no average troll, as they would've been gone after throwing us into HCM the first time. You are certainly not interested in "helping this wiki," as I've read everything you've said both here and at RWW. So, that leaves the question as to just how I'd classify you.

So what are you? How would I classify you? Well, TheoryOfPractice was close when he wondered if you ar e a bully. You are a bully, but a special kind. In my opinion, you are our version of an abusive husband. You sit here complaining without any reasonable offer as to how to help us. You then move to attacking our editors personally and, when they get wise to your bullshit, you play the victim and get all emotional; begging us to let you back into our lives. When some gullible editors do decide to let you back, you then continue this cycle of abuse.

You accuse us of hypocrisy. Newsflash: humanity is full of hypocrisy, because every rule has its exceptions. In my opinion, you are the exception to every rule here. You want to hear some hypocrisy? You accuse us of authoritarianism, and then, when people try to ignore you, you bully us all into taking drastic action. When we do, you play the victim, even though you know, as well as I do, they are playing into your game of being our version of an abusive husband. You play the victim, and, when someone like TheoryOfPractice feels victimized, you then accuse them of being the predator, even thought the fight started with you. You are the one who, when people told you to fuck off, couldn't resist to continue hurling insults, the vast bulk of which don't even qualify as constructive criticism in any ways/shapes/forms, and verbally abusing any and all contributors here. And, again, when you get called out and we collectively try to protect ourselves, you whine and go "Whoa is me!" Well, with all my heart, fuck off!

So, I dare you to call me out for blocking you. I will gladly give up any/all rights I have here if it means you fuck off. You have the personality of an abusive husband, and I won't let it stand any longer. I will not leave this site, because it is exactly what you want, and I will not give ou that sort of psychotic satisfaction. Instead, I will continue to oppose your presence here, even if every-other user here opposes me. I will also no longer acknowledge you exist, be it here or elsewhere. Leave me a message; I guarantee I won't respond, let alone give a shit.

Feel free to respond, but don't expect me to give a flying fuck. I know it sounds like an empy internet threat, but, this time, I am 100% serious. I am done with you. And I will do everything in my power to make sure you pay. -Gabe "The Gooniepunk"

P.S: if you knew me in real life, I'd have kicked your ass long ago. And that is the gospel truth

12:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I actually have gone but couldn't resist responding to this: Goonie, you are, without doubt, the most pathetic cretin on RW by a country mile. Block me if you want, I have left myself. Blocking me changes nothing. I can come back any time I want. The only point it proves is that you're determined to play the 'internet tough guy'. Whatever, do what you want you meathead. And less of this hard man shit; You are in real life a 'punk', the kind of kid who dresses up to shock his peers. Whatever, we get it, you're an individual (Even if that means conforming to some elite group which involves you taking a very strict day to day life code) and you're a tough guy.


 * Loose the chip on your shoulder mate, it only makes you look like a fool. Now good bye and allow me to leave in pieces with less of this girly emotional bullshit that I cause!

How does it feel??
Tell me, MC, how does it feel to be trolled by someone you drove away from this site and then, when I express my feelings about you, you say about me (somebody you probably wouldn't even remember) "P.S- to the IP; you are a self important imbecile who no-one cares about. Who gives a fuck if you are here or if you are not, go away and fuck off and stop playing the whiny martyr." Well, here is my response. Enjoy the trolling you've earned, and all the bullshit that comes along with it. -- L


 * To be honest, I couldn't give two flying fucks. 90% of the internetz are aspergers sufferers who don't have the capacity to grasp irony or wit. Add to that difficult melting pot an environment which only see's a couple of sentances thrown down on what is in effect a word processor. Anything you say to me is ludicrously inoffensive, since you only know the internet persona 'Marcus Cicero', but not the real person behind this fictional character. I enjoy poking at unwarranted self importance on the internet, I enjoy making reactions and playing my part in an elaborate pantomine. Do you not enjoy playing the villain?


 * I'm glad I drove somebody from this website. It gives me a great sense of personal satisfaction and the drive to work harder in the future. Thank you for this inspiring message! MarcusCicero (talk) 02:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So, in other words, you suffer from Aspergers? I can't believe you actually bought that story above. It is true I'm here and I'm trolling you, but to think you bought that story.... wow! What a fucking tool you really are! OBviously you play who you are because, in real life, you are some geek hiding behind his iMac and listening to crappola techno music while your mother yells at you to clean your room and lose some weight. -- L




 * YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME. I NEVER LIKED YOU ANYWAY. :( MarcusCicero Kupochama (talk) 02:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Lol! Is that the best you can manage? A pretend backtrack? Do you want lessons in trolling? MarcusCicero (talk) 13:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

TO TOM MOORE
Hello Tom,

I notice you enjoy placing this 'template' all over the place, thinking that it will annoy me. How wrong you are Tom. Indeed, the template does point out several truths, many of which are indisputable. It does, for example, state that I pretended to be my brother and declared that Marcus Cicero was taken away by the men in white cloaks. It does, also, display the reality that I did indeed delete six pages in a vandalism spree.

So what? Are you afraid of challenging the context of those incidents? The autocrats and fascists on RW insist on keeping me in the vandal bin. Like all human rights abusers, they feel their actions are for a 'greater good'. They are afraid of reason and all of the consequences a reasoned argument will bring on this wretched website.

Tell me, Tom, what is the opportunity cost of behaving like imbeciles on this website? How many intelligent people do the memes deter? How many reasoned, cultured, and honest men and women are revolted by this website because of its institutionalised idiocy? Its fear of reason? Its addiction to persecution? How many good men and women do you turn away every day, just because all of you have the combined maturity of a toddler frustrated of being stuck in his play pen? Afraid to answer these questions? Better leave me in the vandal bin. You wouldn't want anybody coming along and upsetting the status quo. You wouldn't anybody to come along to bring this idiocy infested webshite to the light of reason. You're afraid of the consequences my reason brings to this site, so you repress all arguments contrary to your overly comfertable group dynamics.

The cost of keeping me, your saviour, in the vandal bin are too high to joke around with. Release me Tom. It is in your power to do so. MarcusCicero (talk) 17:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a shame. You're usually pretty clever and manipulative, managing to perpetuate a long cycle of troll-and-reveal.  You're helped out by the nature of RW; we're very individual-minded and conscious-driven people for the most part, so cries of persecution always receive a sympathetic ear.
 * But it's just silly to appeal to me personally. Sure, I get a kick out of slapping you around - since you're just pathetic enough to be unable to leave RW without being so pathetic that I feel pity for you - but I've been naming your tune for a while now.  The template is a good example of that.  It would have been smarter for you to ignore me and put up your same reformer's shtick.  I enjoy laughing at you enough that I would have eventually overdone it and gotten some criticism, making you look like the unjustly assaulted little guy.
 * Instead, this nonsense above?
 * And the worst thing for you is that I have enough self-control not to further reply, even when you try to spin up some more meta crap or the like. Whoopsie, huh?  ;)


 * --<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 18:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This entire post seems kind of... facetious, really. I mean, the one by Marcus Cicero. Macai (talk) 18:37, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been bettered by the greatest anti troll in the history of Rationalwiki. A wise man knoweth when to congratulate an honourable opponent. MarcusCicero (talk) 18:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year
I just thought I'd wish you a happy new year. What'll you be drinking tonight? I'd say as you're Irish Guinness, but I learnt on Christmas Day that Irish folk don't drink Guinness all the time, just most of it. 12:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm staying in with my family tonight, have always disliked New Years eve. I'm going to a friends 21st tommorrow night tommorrow. I combine 'gypsy' drink before hand and down a 'bottle of buckfast'. When inside I'd either be supping a pint of 'Smithwicks' or cracking open a 'naggin' of Glens Vodka. No messing around boy! MarcusCicero (talk) 12:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Your user page statement
Hi, I know I'm not here nearly often enough to judge what goes on, but your user page statement? Seriously? I understand that you might get angry at what goes on here sometimes, I don't deny I do. When someone mentioned Brittany Murphy's death on WIGO talk and wondered whether Conservapedia would comment, I thought okay, now we're as bad as them. But the first thing you ever said to me was idiot. You seem SO angry at everything and everyone. I like this site because sometimes its funny, sometimes its informative. Some of the articles have been really useful to me, especially those on arguments and fallacies. It might be very frustrating if you want the site to be one thing and others don't, but it doesn't necessarily make it a 'reign of disreason'. I think people may listen to you more if you weren't so aggressive, I know I would have. Of course, you might just enjoy stirring things up around here. --Seantalk 12:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ! Do you have aspergers? MarcusCicero (talk) 13:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 13:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Funny
Simply came to say that I think you are funny (just read the message you left here). You may be annoying and trollish, but, without a doubt, funny. (In the way clowns are funny; not everyone enjoy their humor).

I have a list of website I think you should spam. Are you intrested? (Trying to be funny).

--Earthland (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me
Your a moronic jizzrag 91.194.84.61 (talk)
 * That he might be... but what does that make somebody who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're", hmmm? -- Psygremlin  12:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

A formal challenge from one Mei to a Marcus Cicero
MeiWiki challenges you, Mr. Cicero, to a most grave debate against the Mei. Mei doesn't care what about.

What say you to this copypasted offer? Will you refuse or not refuse? -- <font color="#000000"> = w =  22:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Email
MC, you haven't enabled email. Would you please complete the process? 01:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just after doing so. Whats all the cloaks and daggerz about? MarcusCicero (talk) 01:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Debate
I took the liberty of editing your proscribed topic to make it coherent. Find the debate here. The terms are not negotiable, so take it or leave it.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 02:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

"I do not want to be a part of this community"
What length block would you like? Infinite? Five years? -- <font color="#000000"> = w =  21:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Question
How does vandal binning someone who unjustly deleted several pages and constantly abuses fellow site members fall under administrative abuse? 23:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Acei9 00:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Now, now, Mr McWicked, if he resents the labels of troll and vandal so, then he shouldn't have a problem answering my question. 00:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey Superjosh; if you would like me to agree with you that I'm a vandal, then by all means. I'm a vandal! I hope this is the answer you desired as your happiness is all that matters to me! See you later, buddy! MarcusCicero (talk) 02:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course not, dear MC, I wouldn't have you think such a thing! I was just musing as to your case, that's all. You seemed previously to resent the troll/vandal label despite the deletion of several pages. But never mind, eh? I wasn't even involved in that incident. Have a great day!!! 12:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

--BobBring back the hat! 13:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

My dear, dear Bob. Do you not believe in second chances? Have you not experienced the joy of this christmas? I was reading through a book of verse earlier and I came across a beautiful little poem that expresses my lamentations for your present cynicism. I hope we can work together and be the best of friends. Bob, you are dear to me indeed;

Away and alone, mind filled with overwhelming thoughts. The clouds roll in and the darkness corrupts the heavens above. I sit in fear, there is no way for myself to return, All hope seems to dwindle as sadist thoughts and macabre parasites infest center control. And just as all seems lost, I see you, An angel? No you are far too magnificent.

Then what are you?

You are, my insanity, my drug to fight morbid.

My goddess that lifts me from false virtue, and instills holy sin.

My divinity unholy, a manic reverie, truth of life beyond the Alchatrez mind.

I blink, and you're gone,

I am fine though,

I saw God in you,

I see God in you. MarcusCicero (talk) 13:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

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Say something nice about my eyes. -- <font color="#000000"> = w =  01:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Your eyes Mei - where can I begin to describe your eyes? The superlative doesn't begin to cover it, but I'll try! When I look into your eyes, I see a world of precious things. Lying warmly beside you beneath the night skies, Love is safely contained in your angel wings. You've clearly touched me deep within my heart, Only showing all the joyful love we possess. Uncoil the rough twine that has kept us apart, Making my only journey for you a success. Although absence of you gives me such heartache, Remember the times we're side by side, Remember the long walks along the lake You'll forever remain my only true love.


 * This is an original poem, by me, for you. Don't mock my simple abilities with the English verse, my heart can barely take it. If some level of that poem is pleasing to you, I shall spend a thousand sleepless nights basking in the mystery that must be your beautiful face, your beautiful eyes... Your beautiful soul. My lovely Mei, your preciousness cannot be measured in gold or precious jewels. It cannot be countenanced by mere human reason or love. The grace of your gaze impowers a transcendental state of divine perfection; only within the glowering furore of the majesty of the cosmos can I begin to understand the complex mystique that lurks behind that veil of mystery.


 * O Mei! How I adore you! How I worship the very earth you stand on, humbled by your mere presence here! Come to me Mei, and allow us to live a thousand lives, in a thousand souls, throughout the waves of civilisation. Give me but one moment of your grace and I shall be your slave for eternity. MarcusCicero (talk) 02:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * She's like fifteen. Now you're being gross.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 02:10, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait a second... Ed Poor? Ed, is that you?--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 02:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought his reply was quite nice. And after all, she did ask.  Also also, any carnality in that is in the eye of the beholder as far as I can tell.  02:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretty much what I expected. TM you should try it, it's fun! -- <font color="#000000"> = w =  02:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

MC, say something nice about my handsome but aging cheekbones? 04:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think MC has better things to do. Like get himself unbinned. Curiously, I have found myself today actually supporting unbinning him under the reasoning of "what harm could be done, if we can bin him again?" 05:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, that template is getting boring, especially when left unsigned, Tom Moore. 08:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I thought I was the only one who ever used it.--<font color="#000066" >Tom Moore fiat justitia 09:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The lay of Humans ageing cheek bones
Such noble features, that face protects. A fount of wisdom and long gone youth... I find myself... in awe of the memories that it must contain; battles and marriages and funerals and all of lifes wonderous diversity. And herein I compose the lay. The lay of Human's ageing cheek bones. It has a curiously Irish edge, and talks about Humans ageing cheeck bones as if they were battered by domestic violence, I hope you like it;


 * The Minister for Justice wearing a new fur coat
 * Yesterday opened a home for battered husbands:
 * Present were leading farmers and greyhound-owners
 * As well as respectable solicitors with their mistresses.
 * When the Minister cut the tape to the new home
 * Several battered husbands could be seen cringing
 * On the staircase in tear-stained cardigans
 * And cracked slippers; and the stairs looked
 * As though they had received a liberal sprinkling
 * Of dandruff and cigarette ash. A spokesman for the husbands said:
 * We are relieved to have at last got a place of our own;
 * Several of the men are pregnant and the security
 * Which the new home will provide, is for them
 * A welcome boon. Asked as to what kind of injury
 * The husbands suffered from, the spokesman said that frayed nerves
 * Are the major ailment and further inspection revealed
 * Loose nerve-ends dangling from eye-sockets and cheek-bones.
 * It was also stated that in order to protect the men
 * From the wrath of wives
 * A team of Limerick ban-gardai - known as the heavy gang -
 * Will be on twenty-four-hour duty outside the new home. MarcusCicero (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could have just called it Minister Opens New Home For Battered Husbands as it was originally titled ;) 13:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Your Beautiful Eyes --Seantalk 13:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, not cool. MarcusCicero (talk) 13:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, if we're quoting poetry
 * You should have heard Matilda Shout!
 * You should have heard her Scream and Bawl,
 * And throw the window up and call
 * To People passing in the Street--
 * (The rapidly increasing Heat
 * Encouraging her to obtain
 * Their confidence) -- but all in vain!
 * For every time she shouted 'Fire!'
 * They only answered 'Little Liar!'
 * From Matilda by Hilair Belloc Bob Soles (talk) 14:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I love you
Marcus, I love you so much. I want you to be a sysop again. So what say you agree to behave, and if you misbehave again then we block you forever? I know that with your newfound christian faith you will comply, so what say you? 00:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm indifferent to you, MC. 01:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Get this through your thick skull
We are not going to unbin your college's IP. You should use your irregular edit rights to troll properly rather than whine. 16:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am indifferent to whether you unbin my college IP or not. My trolls can easily circumvent the ban. Either way, your unceasing whining and self importance marks you out distinctly from nearly everyone else here (Except TOP, the aspergers suffering idiot with a tendancy to cry every time someone makes a joke) You do realise that you are the single most aloof and obtuse dithering buffoon on this site? Why do you constantly try to live up the 'tough guy' routine - do you not see how ludicrous it is? You are a laughable character straight out of a Tom Wolfe novel. And the best part is that you don't even realise it. MarcusCicero (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I quite like your odd rants. And all the time you spend trying to insult me is time diverted away from trying to turn the other members on each other. Thanks for the email anyway, and yes, you are daeejit. 18:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY.
...that is all. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I've got a great idea...
Hey Marcus, I've got a great idea and I thought that I'd bounce it off of you to see what you think. So I've found this website; it's really small and almost nobody reads it (its Alexa ratings are a joke) but it seems to have a dedicated, core constituency of people who for the most part get along and appear to enjoy each other's company. The website's main page makes some hifalutin' claims about things like politics, religion and science, and there's actually quite a bit of decent stuff on those topics scattered throughout the site. At the same time, these folks seem to spend a lot of time hanging out, chatting, making "in" jokes and repeating Internet memes--you know, stuff that any typical online community tends to do.

While some members of the website in question have been around longer than others and seem to have a little more "say" by virtue of their seniority, in actual fact the the community sort of lacks a defined sense of conflict resolution and tends to let things just happen--keep that in mind, it's pretty important for my plan.

So here's what I thought I would do. I figured I'd take out an account at the website in question, and try to sow discord among these people, mostly by insulting them in such a way as to exploit the fact that whatever rules that the website has about community standards are difficult to enforce. I figure I could take out any number of sock accounts, or even edit as a BON if need be--the worst that they'll do to me is make me wait a little bit between edits. I figure that by doing things like repeatedly insulting members' intelligence, body weight, career choices, virility and other such things, and by making them argue with each other over how to deal with the problem, that eventually the website in question will no loger be a fun place to go to. Doesn't that sound like a blast? I mean, really, how better to prove what a great guy I am, right?

Bear in mind that I'm actually a reasonably intelligent fellow with a decent sense of humour persuing a post-graduate history degree dealing with politics in the first part of the twentieth century, and I come from a country where religion and politics have intersected in really interesting ways, so I could probably go with the flow over there and contribute in both a fun and productive way, but really, what good would ever come of that, right?

So whaddaya think?

P-Foster (talk) 16:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I actually quite like you. And I don't hold malicious views about anyone on this site. In fact, even people like Nx, RA etc. are fine. I'm sure they're grand. I have no problems with RW.

On the other hand, the temptation to shake the ant farm and watch them scurrying to each others aid is far too great to overcome. I recommend you try to interpret me not as a living, conscious entity, but instead as an automoton, a fictional creation, a J.G. Farrel character of nauseating proportions. You do realise I have a sock account who partakes normally in the day by day stuff activities of this site? MarcusCicero (talk) 10:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean Neveruse? Yah, we know.   20:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * i thought it was User:RobSmith? Cheerleader Not Troll (talk) 01:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm Truly Disappointed...
I thought we had something special. Between my intense social anxiety, my propensity to be a drama queen, my weight and my lack of skill with basic wiki-works, I've given you more than enough ammunition to get you to give me a place in your archetypal gang of six. i hereby DEMAND that you re-tool your little quiz immediately, or I will be forced to delete the WIGO:CP talkpage again or something worse. P-Foster (talk) 23:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ha! I genuinely like you Foster, I always have. Moreso than most others here. The only person/s I genuinely dislike are Susan and Gerard. Everyone else is fine. I'm only harsh on Goonie because hes a mild irritant. 86.40.222.48 (talk) 00:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah! And what about me and my tendencies to.....do......y'know..........stuff? Damn, I got nothing. DickTurpis (talk) 00:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

A question for you...
What, if anything do you know about the scholarship on the question of British colonialism in Ireland as a model/laboratory for the larger colonial project--especially as it related to the creation of the Irish as racialised/non-white subjects? P-Foster (talk) 16:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There is, as far as I know, little scholarship that examines British Colonialism in Ireland in the manner that you describe. The only book I can think of off the top of my head might be Luke Gibbons, 'Edmund Burke and Ireland' (NOT the one by T.H. Mahony, though it is also a fine book. Both are American historians)


 * Charles Townhend's (British Historian) 'Political Violence in Ireland' examines the rise of 'counter-colonialism' and militant Republicanism. 'Colonialism' can't really be applied to Ireland as it does to India, or any of the African colonies. Its much more complex than that because the English/Norman/British influence in Ireland goes back to medieval times. Though David Dickson wrote a wonderful study of the Province of Munster as an English colony/plantations in Ireland (Well contrasted with the largely Scottish presbyterian colonies/plantations in Ulster). Actually the more I think about it, Dickson is probably the man to go for. I'll have a think about this and will get back to you tomorrow if I can recall any more works relevant to your field. Could you be a bit more specific though? Colonialism is an inherently subjective word and I'm not satisfied it can be completely applied to Ireland or whether there was ever really any real direction from london outside of very specific set piece events (Such as the Laois/Offaly plantations, the Ulster Plantations, The Cromwellian settlement etc. etc.) MarcusCicero (talk) 17:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this, MC. The question comes after my reading a book called 'Black Marxism' by a guy named Cedric Robinson. Part of his argument is tied to exactly what you bring up--the longue durée of British involvement in Eire: he argues that the British, in order to justify control of the people and territory, needed to create the Irish as inherently inferior/essentially unfit to govern themselves, and that it's there that we can start to see the roots of modern racism as a justification for colonial/imperial projects based on the idea of inherent difference. It's precisely because the Brits were in Ireland way before they were in India/Africa/the West Indies, etc. that I want to think more about how they might have transferred ideas about difference and rule from the Irish experience to their more modern colonial ventures. P-Foster (talk) 22:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, I understand now. I remember my first day of university when our lecture declared = 'Beware of the Marxists!. Saved me quite a bit of angst, that.


 * Seriously though, he would have an argument if there actually was some kind of groundplan from the Brits from the get-go. They didn't need a justification of that kind, they had it in the form of the 25% of the population who were non Catholic and loyal to the Empire. Furthermore, the Brits always held the attitude that 'The Irish aren't fit to govern themselves'. This, I think, moved some of our greater minds in the 20th century to revolution. It was a source of burning resentment from Sean Lemass, who oversaw the doubling our economy between the 50s and 70s in his role as finance minister and taoiseach (Prime Minister)


 * The racialist notions of British superiority were not government led, and many Prime Ministers despised the prevailing post Darwinian theories of racial demarcation (Namely Gladstone, and even, quite surprisingly, the ultra Tory Peel) Racialism was the intellectual excretion of a dominant body politic and Empire, but I wouldn't read too much into it. You can find some of the old Punch cartoons online I'm sure - the Irish paddy was often portrayed as little more than an ape. MarcusCicero (talk) 09:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

PIE
I like pie too. It's good for throwing in a clown's face. 20:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

The "MarcusCicero" at Lumeniki and Metapedia
Someone has registered the account "MarcusCicero" at Lumeniki. They claim that the MarcusCicero from Metapedia is not them. Are "you" the MarcusCicero from Lumeniki? ~ Lumenos 00:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

(By the way, Referata has been having a lot of downtime lately so I'm considering moving Lumeniki to Wiki-site. Wiki-site currently has an old version of Lumeniki1. ~ Lumenos 00:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC) )


 * Yes. You are a strange man. Leave now and spread the good word - fight for my release and for the liberties of Rationalwikians. Free me from the shackles that restrain my freedom. I am banned and binned and deserve the rights of everyone else here. MarcusCicero (talk) 22:50, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I can join your reform society!
But first you have to remove Susan from the "fascist scum" list. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 05:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I dedicated my new poem to you
I wanted to burnish my pottery writing skills. This one is called "To MC with love"

''Everyone says: "Oh, MC, he's just a trolling king" "La la la", they sing for everyone must ignore him''

''Block him, bin him mock him, screw him''

''We all hate Marcus Yeah, we all hate Marcus''

''He came up with a reform society And showed a lot of anxiety But very little sobriety And even less propriety Although his socks are of great variety''

''Block him, bin him mock him, screw him''

''He hates David Gerard who is almost as big retard So I suppose that's a good thing But no peace it will bring''

''Block him, bin him mock him, screw him''

''He makes a witty sock and earns another block But we're all in shock when he's back to mock''

''Block him, bin him mock him, screw him''

''We all hate Marcus Yeah, we all hate Marcus''

--Idiot number 59 (talk) 09:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well done Idiot Number 59. I find it amusing that everyone assumes that you are my sock. You have a fine talent.


 * If you want to join my Reform Society, you're going to have to accept that SusanG is in fact, fascist scum. 86.40.195.174 (talk) 10:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You do realize that if you continue using such insulting words about the woman who I love most in the world, you soon find that I am a true nightmare for you. As my poem says, screw you. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 11:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Fascist Scum
I cannot tell you how honoured I am to have risen to the heights where you consider me fascist scum. I wear that badge with pride. Jack Hughes (talk) 13:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you like it. when the revolution comes, you'll be among the first to be exiled to wikipedia. 86.40.221.229 (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The Real MC?
Deep-cover-conservative that you are may I propose the following changes to your user page?

The Goddess, Liberty

 * Andrew
 * Layton
 * Schlafly

Champions of Liberty

 * TK
 * George Bush
 * Jpatt
 * Conservative
 * Ed Poor
 * Geo.plrd

Fascist scum

 * MarcusCicero
 * Barack Hussein Obama
 * PIE
 * Layla Silvertounge
 * Nutty Roux

Degenerate, base, evil, deceitful, boring animalistic scum

 * Nancy Pelosi

Idiot Noobs with a sense of entitlement

 * Tmtoulouse

Irrelevant nuisance

 * Osama bin Laden

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Stuff
I expect that you will get some flak about your change of direction but if you are truly serious about a change of heart then do not be diverted. 22:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I fully expect some flak. Trolling RW long ago reached its saturation point for me and besides, I've found a new website to torture. From now on its endless historical digressions from me. MarcusCicero (talk) 22:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well i think it's bullshit but that's just me. Carry on. AceX-102 22:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose bad faith is to be expected. MarcusCicero (talk) 22:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll just never like nor trust you because you have been nothing but an asshole. But again, that's just my opinion. AceX-102 22:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)