RationalWiki talk:All things in moderation/Archive58

Let Them Eat Cake
At the end of last year, they were given a three month ban for their vandalism, bigotry, and trolling. Guess what, they haven't learned a thing. Why do we still have them around? Plutocow (talk) 18:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sysoprevoke + more misbehavior = turbobanners. GC already blocked cakeater for 22 days. This doesn't need to be a mod issue. Bongolian (talk) 19:22, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've seen some pretty stupid accusations of trolling and bigotry but this is probably one of the most blatant "you know it when you see it" cases of trolling I've seen in forever, and I doubt someone making edits like this is acting in good faith.--2friedeggs (talk) 00:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Plutocow has a point though. We might need to do a vote to permaban him. --Andrew5 mobile (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It is good practice to remain aware of everything around us. We must respond when users write terrible libel or simply express hurtful concepts; but responding with removal should be exceptional and not used for ordinary stupidity.Ariel31459 (talk) 01:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? Why waste time engaging with someone who not only has no intention of changing his mind, but isn't even operating in the same reality as the rest of us? You might as well argue with a brick wall and expect it to move. 01:07, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And for the record, none of you do that. None of you argue with these people. They shit on the floor and none of you deal with it, so I clean it up and get scolded for it. So we aren't even on the level of pretending there's an alternative to leaving their excrement to stink up the place. 01:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What a depressing and disdainful worldview--3friedeggs (talk) 01:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I lean toward saying this isn't a mod issue and we can just keep reverting their crap-the idea that we can have a constructive/good faith debate with somebody so blatantly here to troll is deranged (GC laid it out pretty accurately).-Flandres (talk) 01:18, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Reality is often disappointing. 01:22, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Arrogant Ben Shapiro-esque remark--3friedeggs (talk) 01:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sure your snide jabs are the peak of intellectual engagement. 01:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Baseless accusation of snidery while being wry themselves.--3friedeggs (talk) 01:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Do pay attention to the matter at hand please.-Flandres (talk) 01:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've given my opinion. Just keep in mind who the person I'm talking to is.--3friedeggs (talk) 01:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "Baseless". "Sure". Lying coward. 01:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You're engaging with the world's most honest jackass. Of course you don't believe that, but whatever, I can't change your thoughts. 01:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Baseless accusation of lying and cowardice, where you perceive snidery there is none. "world's most honest jackass" What an odd title to give yourself--3friedeggs (talk) 01:46, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Keep in mind what the subject of this thread is. GC, I politely suggest you continue this (if you wish to, that is) on their talk page. Or maybe your own, I geuss...-Flandres (talk) 01:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Obvious transphobia, blatant "you know it when you see it" case. Extended the ban myself. Revert it if you want.--3friedeggs (talk) 01:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * It is nice to think that a person can be permanently expurgated, but that is far from the truth. Vandals and digital malefactors are perennial. But look at how nicely trained Andrew5 has been. He stays away when blocked. Trolls are generally, for some reason, restrained enough to wait out a reasonable block, because they think they are still in the game. If you don't like the game we have here, there are limitless alternative options. I am perfectly willing to block troll-adjacent users, but who is ubiquitous on this wiki as GC? If it bugs you, take a break why don't you? Ariel31459 (talk) 01:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If this is genuinely your worldview please go outside.--3friedeggs (talk) 01:56, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Fine. I stand by my stance that A) if users want to debate people like LTEC they should both be more proactive and learn when it's best to just take out the trash or B) stop complaining when I take out the trash. Seriously. Look at this person's edits. Look at them from first to last. This is someone who watches anti-SJW cringe compilations and has drunk pretty much all the rightwing koolaide. What the fuck are you going to say to change their mind? They think Antifa SJWs are going to destroy America any day now and that the Dems are pure evil. This person is the product of the last 20 years of far-right propaganda, and they will not be swayed by us, mainly because they think we're either fools or liars. Nothing you say will get through their skull. 01:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The trash in question being the posts, not the user making them, to be clear. 01:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about me? or the ATIM subject?--3friedeggs (talk) 01:56, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ??? Why would I be talking about you??? None of what I said applies to you, to my knowledge. 01:58, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * (EC)As I said before, I agree with you. I just don't think we need a permaban vote (as suggested by andrew and plutocow) when our current system-revert and block when they do something objectionable-works with little fuss. Of course, if overwhelming community consensus leans toward a penalty vote I wouldn't come to cake's defense either.-Flandres (talk) 02:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Grammar Commie
He desysopped me twice today, responded to my complaint by calling me a delusional halfwit, then banned himself indefinitely, effectively Leaving then Never Coming Back.

Something needs to be done about his hostile and aggressive attitude. I know of only one person who finds it amusing. He repeatedly desysops without a vote without warning, especially when they unblock themselves despite unblocking himself all the time. He responds to complaints about his hostile attitude with accusations of tone policing and belittling. He consistently makes personal attacks in general, possibly to intimidate less established users. He barely edits mainspace.

He has a repeated history of threatening self-harm when questioned, something to be taken heavily seriously regardless of whether the threat is real, but if the website is that stressful for him, perhaps a break for him would be in order. He has seemed to have taken the initiative himself.

At any rate I want my sysop back no matter what happens to him.--3friedeggs (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Idk if you can have two different socks with sysop rights. It's up to the mods to decide. 11:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That doesn't have much do with this. He desysopped my main.--2friedeggs (talk) 11:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Eggs' sysop rights have been restored by Vomitorium. Unless GC can give an argument as to why Eggs should be desysopped, it should stay that way. Bongolian (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not the first time GC has engaged in overaggressive blocking of me. Please see all the blocks from January 8. He has also repeatedly shown hostile behaviour in the Saloon dating back at least 5 months. GrammarCommie will also probably be coming back at some point in the near future. --Andrew5 (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm just gonna comment on this topic (GrammarCommie) once and not comment on it again, even if it goes to chicken coop. He (GrammarCommie) hasn't added anything to draft or mainspace for at least a year, and it's possible he hasn't even added anything meaningfully large since that account began in 2017 (lots of reverts and Saloon Bar to sort through).  This is the definition of a power tripping sysop. He also dysysopped me like a year ago randomly but I never asked for it back.  In school, remember those school projects a few people do all the work and then  1-2 classmates sit back and chew bubble gum.  Maybe ocassionally chirping in, telling people to do things differently, and hazing people?  Grammar (and a few other Saloon Bar people) are those people.  It's not cool and it's not in the spirit of a cooperative wiki.  The fact that he also goads people, messes with people's comments, and is extremely uncivil is just another layer of this. Self-identifying as an 'asshole' doesn't absolve that behaviour, and it makes editing this place miserable.  I can think of a ton of cool people and writers I've had the pleasure of working with.  And even if we disagreed, there'd be moments of human recognition.  I've never gotten that with GC.  Nor have I seen those breaks to be human with others, when he deals with other long term writers he disagrees with.  Just pure hate and manipulation from that account towards tons of others.  RW belongs to the writers, not the wiki-capitalists.   Neiltyson1fan (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Exactly, if GC at least began to treat us like humans, and actually worked on content and at least sometimes didn't try to poke a fight and actually did something useful here it would be better. Remember - any sysop can spam clean, and Plutocow and others do just as good of a job while also provide content and aren't power tripping. --Andrew5 (talk) 21:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Work on content is not a requirement despite it being a good idea. Andrew, everyone knows your sad complaints. Remaining quiet might actually help establish your point better than otherwise. If GC returns he can be told to reform. I, for one, don't want to try him in absentia. Ariel31459 (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this take but your comments about Andrew are unnecessary and not to relevant. If/when he comes back it would be best not to forget but I'm worried thata exactly what's going to happen.--2friedeggs (talk) 23:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to agree with Ariel here.-Flandres (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand if we don't want to try him in absentia, but I don't like the idea of people getting away from things by running away. If he is really gonna take a LANCB it's fine. But if he comes back this is probably gonna crop back up. Also, I am offended you consider these complaints sad.--Andrew5 (talk) 22:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)