User talk:Mei/Archive3

Mei
Stop taunting CUR. 15:14, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Finally. Thank you, PH. -- 15:15, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I'm not trying to taunt him I'm undoing his nonsense. Mei 15:16, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * CUR joke? -- 15:18, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * You insist on keeping every crappy joke you write until the entire community has told you not to (margay anyone?). The template is a fucking excellent way of gauging whether they deserve to be there or not. You think search-replacing my name for yours is a winsome argument? Mei 15:20, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * The felidae essay is just that&mdash;an essay. CUR, as the original creator has full control over its contents; the debates were about his policies on edits to it. 15:23, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Wrong. He wants it in the mainspace. It's not rocket science. Mei 15:25, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah, he wants it in the mainspace, and that's why he has to improve it to our standards. As an essay, you have no place complaining about content. You can criticise it, but don't lambast CUR for keeping it. 15:27, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * PH we both know it's not a real essay. It could've been in fun but that wouldn't have made it funny. Mei 15:29, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC) Which is why, to make peace, I made the proposed sections page. This will enable us to develope those sections so that they can be added. -- 15:30, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * It's a content fork. I've been to Wikipedia CUR. And am I allowed to develope that page? Mei 15:33, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * As long as you don't delete anything aside unless you discuss it first, yes. You also cannot add poking jokes. -- 15:37, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Those were not "poking jokes" they were valuable markers for your "wit". Mei 15:39, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I think it would be prudent to point out at this point that the template produces "" when added to a page. 15:42, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Yeah. That was supposed to happen. What do you mean? Mei 15:43, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Get that template out of the main template space. You have 2 minutes to do so, then I will delete anything outside of your userspace. 15:19, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

You know, I can kinda get not liking CUR. He can be difficult to get along with at times, but for the most part seems to be a good kid. But after a while, it gets on my nerves to see folks treating him as an automatic whipping boy, or to overreact to something he's said or done more because it was him that said/did it, rather than it being bad in the first place. As PH said, it's his essay. So long as it's in essay space, it's his call. And it doesn't matter if it's a content fork or whatever, this isn't Wikipedia. If his essay was on WP, then WP rules would apply, but this is a harmless little sandbox where CUR plays with his cats and makes silly jokes. Mei, you've got the right to suggest changes and such, but if it offends you terribly, you just don't have to click the link. Pretty easy, that. --Kels 15:49, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I don't play- I work. Everything I do counts towards a goal. My goal with the cats is to produce a fine-quality article that will help this wiki. Hard to do sometimes, but at least I try. -- 15:52, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * (EC)Play or work, it doesn't matter, so long as it's still in essay space, you're in charge. You'd lose control of it in main space, and you'd have to accept that folks like Mei have their own ideas and the right to change things without your approval, but that doesn't really apply here.  However, if you want it to be better, you'll have to accept the criticism and make improvements based on it.  Even jokes you may think are brilliant.  As Stephen King rightfully put it, during an editing process you have to be willing to kill your own babies, for the sake of making your writing stronger. --Kels 16:01, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Kels, I hear what you're saying and you make a lot of sense. But working on the article with him (however bloody it gets when he and I lose our temper) is a lot less cruel than letting him work on it alone for months and then refusing point blank when he wants to move it back. A 100% CUR essay would need a 99% rewrite to go in main. Mei 16:04, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * 2ECs! Also I keep hearing that I'm "taunting CUR". Not quite. The fact is I actually like cats, stupid as that sounds. Cats are cool, and I want to have an article on them that isn't lame. I'm not going to change my mind about this. Mei 16:13, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * Perhaps so, but I see a lot of stuff here, in the Saloon Bar, and so forth, that just amounts to piling on the kid. I'm okay to an extent, but after a certain point I just get fed up with rhetorically pouding on and making fun of one person who's not actually trying to damage the place.  I guess your rather gratuitous "CUR joke" template fell into the camel's back range this time. Maybe a little more forbearance, dealing with CUR takes an excess of patience and tenacity. --Kels 16:09, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * EC Yeah I've never been very good at patience )oops). I'll have to try to stop editing last thing at night. Mei 16:13, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * "My goal with the cats is to produce a fine-quality article that will help this wiki" = fine but you have to accept that you can't do this by yourself. An article is collaborative, and it follows certain rules. After all this you still haven't decided whether you want that or not. Mei 16:00, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I have. But I need honest help, like I get from Martin and Weaseloid. If you edited like them, no problem. Now, half the cats you added to the list are duplicates. I've narrowed them down, and will get to work. But I will need help. Will you help me? Would you please do the clouded leopard, while I do lynx? -- 16:11, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * If by "honest help" you mean for me to jump through your hoops, forget it. "duplicates" = funny. They were from WP. "Would you please do the clouded leopard" = CUR it breaks my heart to tell you this, but that list was just to show you how impractical doing them all would be. We can't do it. Sorry. Mei 16:15, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
 * I removed all but a few. These are the most unusual cats, and therefore deserve attention. They include the wild cat (ancestor of domestics), the leopard cat (crossbred with domestics, and therefore an example of how closely species are interelated), the ones we already had sections on, and a few others I can't remember. -- 16:23, 10 March 2009 (EDT)