User talk:Okasaki

Thank you for joining the wiki of s, Okasaki! 07:24, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

RationalWiki articles are not a dumping ground for personal opinions. Please be advised that edits like this one belong in essays, not our articles. 07:24, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with that comment, and i considered it. What annoys me is not that comment but what followed. Because of that i would like to end my account here but i cannot do that either, so now it just stays the way it is.Okasaki (talk) 23:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Now it goes here, i wonder if Mikal would come to delete it again.

Preamble
In the preamble, communism is compared to a spectre to emphasize that it is not genuine, yet it is not revealed and thus acknowledged to be a power.

I Bourgeois and proletarians
This chapter describes the miserable conditions in which the wage workers (proletarians) lived at the time. These conditions are also described as worse compared to the conditions under feudalism. Nowhere does Communist Manifesto say that it was bad, also by Marx the bourgeois society is the next step from the feudal society, so by that the change of the living conditions of the proletariat should still be seen as a step in the right direction. By Communist Manifesto, in the bourgeois society all values were taken from workers, this includes values like possession, freedom, rights and individuality. This in essence means everything which humans are and all the value which they have. It is said in this chapter that the only value which proletarians still had was performing primitive routine operations. Therefore by Communist Manifesto, all values under bourgeois society were bourgeois. Thus all the values which humans and society had, some of which are eternal and some are there since ancient times, are called bourgeois values. Thus bourgeois values mentioned in the Communist Manifesto are values of which some are inherent to bourgeoisie and some are not.

II Proletarians and communists
This chapter provides the establishment of the society where all bourgeois values are abolished. This includes abolishing family and abolishing nation states, thus communism is international by its nature. Abolishing all values is a recipe for destruction, and contrary to the popular belief Communist Manifesto does not mention any positive values such as sharing, end of oppression or guaranteed livelihood. This chapter also provides a state control of banks, transportation, communication and industry, which also requires government. It does not provide any means of voting or electing the government, and in the condition of abolished values and central control of all the possession, such government would most likely have a totalitarian power. Communist Manifesto also does not provide abolishing classes, it only assumes that the conflict between classes will not be antagonistic. Therefore government and people are assumed to be united under communism, and thus government interests would be peoples interests.

III Socialist and communist literature
This chapter begins with a description how the aristocracies, after being overthrown, tried to re-establish their power by deceiving the workers with theories like communism. In essence these theories promised overthrowing the bourgeoisie and establishing a workers country. So that when the workers country were created, they planned to form the government, thus re-establishing their former power, and subordinating the workers again to them as serfs. This is in essence the description of the origin of the communism idea.

The chapter goes on by describing how different communism ideas were spread in different countries.

IV Position of the communists in relation to the various existing opposition parties
This chapter describes how communists should work together with the existing political parties.Okasaki (talk) 02:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Question for you
Why do you have a wonky summary of the Manifesto on your talk page? JubalHarshaw (talk) 02:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Because we didnt need it in the manifesto article and i troll-hid it on the talk page. -- Mikal Harass  Follow 02:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * So that all would see the text there was so much fuzz about. To decide whether it was worth of it.Okasaki (talk) 02:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Much easier.. JubalHarshaw (talk) 03:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes i already explained that. I fixed that link in the article, as it didn't work.Okasaki (talk) 03:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Works fine. See? JubalHarshaw (talk) 03:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No i'm blind, sorry.Okasaki (talk) 03:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)