Forum:"Socialist" Spanish soccer team

I think this quote from Conservapedia's page Previous Breaking News is worthy of inclusion in Conservapedia:What is going on at CP?:


 * ''The Olympics soccer team of socialist Spain is forced to confront its own total failure and bad sportsmanship. On a related note, Spain's socialist economy has been a colossal failure. This is further evidence that real men don't want a Nanny state and liberal wimps do. Spain has embraced socialism and "fascism light" and these ideologies are very similar. See: Obamunism and Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism

I have two main problems with this:
 * 1) The current Spanish government led by Mariano Rajoy (since November 2011) is not socialist by any means. True, it's not as conservative as Conservapedia, but it does support austerity and social welfare cuts, subsidized religion even in public schools, more power for businesses and so on. It's a conservative, pro-Christian party. The previous government led by Zapatero can be called socialist, of course - but the origin of the Spanish crisis (that is, the Spanish housing bubble) can be traced even further before Zapatero took power.
 * 2) Even assuming that Spain is still socialist, wow, the national soccer team has had a pretty long run of failures lately: Euro 2008, World Cup 2010 and Euro 2012.

That said, of course the soccer team failed hard. But that doesn't make socialists (or conservatives) the culprits, does it? 83.37.80.143 (talk) 14:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't believe I didn't see this nugget of wisdom before. Rajoy is a socialist?! RAJOY?! OMFGs... The man is a steaming heap of reactionary right wing horseshit. And the housing bubble clearly has it's roots in the Aznar era - another great testament to the financial prudence of conservatives, along with autovias to nowhere, and the Iberia and Trasmediterránea privatisations. Fucking PP, piss on everything that is decent and turn the world to shit. --[[Image:TheEgyptiansig001.png|link=User:TheEgyptian]] 00:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Spain is so "socialist," its Constitution was written by the remnants of Francisco Franco's dictatorship! —Sesel (talk)
 * Yep, and he was another atheistic LIEbrul, too. Typical European. *headdesk* --[[Image:TheEgyptiansig001.png|link=User:TheEgyptian]] 09:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Coming late to the party, I guess
Schiafly (don't care if it's well-written or not), or whoever put that crap, shows again its lack of knowledge about Spain (the Conservapedia's article on the country is quite poor, especially in what respects to the images that illustrate it). I don't see at all the relationship between soccer and Spain being a "nanny state" (other EU countries have more extensive welfare systems than Spain's one).

The PP (Partido Popular) is right-wing, yes, but while it's a catch-all party (from centrist people to some who miss Francoist era and its values, standard conservatives, Catholics, and finally libertarians, even if libertarians there mean "privatize everything, but give it to our cronies, let us live of the State as politicians, if things go pear-shaped time to bail-out the thing with public monies, and of course just economic freedom, not the other type of freedom") is moderate compared with US Republicans, or at least looks like that (not that they more than often attempt to emulate them). Oh, and it's corrupt to the marrow (this is just the tip of the iceberg, and the same can be said of its opposite party, PSOE, the party that was governing in 2011).

Schiafly or whatever also ignores how the late times of Zapatero's goverment were marked by cuts everywhere courtesy of Brussels. Including to reform an article of the Constitution in accord with PP, to basically put to pay public debts above all else.

Alas, in 2012 PP was governing with an absolute majority and was Rajoy, not Zapatero, who was in charge and the one who bailed-out savings banks with EU monies (and, to be fair, at least he managed to avoid a full bail-out of Spain's economy a la Greece as some people at EU wanted.)

--Panzerfaust (talk) 13:54, 17 September 2016 (UTC)