RationalWiki:Technical support/Archive6

cquote
When I view RW or RWW in Google Chrome (which I use), the cquote template does not adjust as it should to fit around anything to the right or left, which means the quotes run in front of or behind images or other templates appearing on the page, making them unreadable. I've only seen this in the last couple of days or so, so I'm not sure if it's Chrome that's changed or MediaWiki. In Internet Explorer it looks fine. Is anyone else getting this problem or can shed any light on it? 18:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I use Chrome - can you point me to an example of one that's definitely broken for you, so I can check?-- 01:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * On RWW: Ace McWicked. I hadn't seen it with cquote before, actually, but I had for RWW's awards. Peter with added ‼Science‼ 01:47, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * RWW:MarcusCicero is a particularly messy example, but it's on a lot of pages at RWW, because of the Stalkbox template. On RW, this version of the Otherkin article (before changes) has a very clear example of the quote running in front of an image.  Conservapedia:Godspeed has the quote running into the CP template.  11:53, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there anything that can be done about this? Like replacing cquote with something less shitty?  09:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Stop using Chrome. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 18:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Tag filter
Is there a reason the tag filter is showing up in RC? I have no use for it that I know of. sterileevolutionist story telling 05:16, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hasn't it always been there? It is one of those features nobody uses and probably made sense a long time ago. -  π    05:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly not always, but has anyone ever had a use for "HeidelbergKid ignoring everyone and posting new topics in the SB" and "Skype toolbar formatting"? Probably has to do with the abuse filters, but it would be nice if it weren't there but for those who can use it. sterileevolutionist story telling 06:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Purging mediawiki files
Can't that be done automatically?-- 03:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So, can we do that? Maybe every few days a bot can hit purge on all commons images.  Is that feasible?  Would it take too much processing power or memory or whatever?-- 03:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is that it's your cache, and not a server-side thing. A bot wouldn't work&mdash;at least not in the way you describe&mdash;though there may be other options. Like detaching ourselves from commons altogether, and having a bot-upload system for requested commons images similar to capturebot's sandbox. Peter is procrastinating. 03:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * But the other day, you did the purge for me -- 03:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I had to push purge to clear my own cache. I can't do it 'for' you. Peter is procrastinating. 03:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. I misunderstood.  A shame.  Perhaps you could bring up your idea with the big heads?  Nx is gone, but I'm sure Blue and Tmt will have opinions.-- 03:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * One day, maybe&mdash;it wouldn't be all that easy to do, at least if you wanted to be able to copy over the license information as part of the upload (which would be ideal). Peter is procrastinating. 03:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Errm, no. Purge purges the server-side cache. The problem with the blurry/missing images is somewhere in the caching of thumbnails.--ZooGuard (talk) 06:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I didn't know that. Then what do you think we should do? Peter is procrastinating. 06:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Someone with server access and the requisite knowledge should sit down and either find out as much as possible about the bug and report it to the developers of MediaWiki, or try to fix it. Another option is contacting some of the developers of the "use Commons images anywhere" feature or the caching feature and asking for help. Another option is to have a bot patrolling the Commons images, checking somehow if the image is visible and purging them. All of these require different, but non-minimal amounts of time, skill and effort.--ZooGuard (talk) 08:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So Trent, in other words. When it comes to the bot thing, wouldn't it be better to do that on the server itself? Doing it with a bot seems... inefficient. Peter is procrastinating. 08:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So it's possible to just go about purging everything? Great!  When can we start?-- 11:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So has anyone in the know given this any thought?-- 13:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like to bump this. It seems like a great way to avoid the commons bug, but I don't have the knowledge or authority to implement it (and hell, it may not be feasible for all I know)-- 22:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Adding userspace from $wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl
I'm putting this here as part of a larger discussion we need to have about how we wish to present RW's image to people coming in from searches rather than direct links from forums, etc. Bootmii recently resurrected and put in his userspace a number of articles from the Conservapedia space that were deleted by consensus following an extensive review. I deleted them (and was nearly immediately overruled) because it seems to me that permitting a user to have articles of this nature in his userspace completely undermines the policy behind building a consensus to delete them in the first place: getting rid of material that paints RW in a negative light or that in any event is from a period we've grown out of. I'm not "post-Conservapedia" and I'm not trying to have a mission discussion here. This is solely directed at deleted material of this particular nature being resurrected to userspace. I would like to see this material omitted from Google searches. It's not. It is possible that Mediwiki permits individual pages to be excluded using metatags, but my understanding is that not all robots obey noindex and it is nonetheless too much to be going through userspace and unilaterally deciding what does and doesn't get tagged. I suggest Trent add userspace to $wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl so we don't have to worry about this. I'll suggest elsewhere that funspace be added as well. 16:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I would certainly support that. 17:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) You're an idiot. Brxbrx has the right answer, $wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl just makes the parser ignore the __INDEX__/__NOINDEX__ magic words if you put them on the page.
 * 2) Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. You're concerned about RW's image, really? RW has bigger problems than a few crappy articles that someone is saving in their userspace.
 * 3) If you're so concerned about those pages, just desysop and block Bootmii. Problem solved. 109.61.82.156 (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok then I'm an idiot. Whatever it takes software or server side to accomplish what I asked about. I already addressed relying on people adding noindex on an ad hoc basis. I'm not blocking and desysopping anyone but Brxbrx. Thanks for your helpful input, Nx. [[file:Nuttysig.svg|95px|link=User:Nutty Roux|Nutty Roux]]100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 18:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

$wgNamespaceRobotPolicies should work fine for this. Tmtoulouse (talk) 06:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we figure this out? Bootmii has not stopped resurrecting the deleted articles. 03:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Given his random usage of revision delete as well, I'm leaning on desysop & delete. Тyrannis An iron, but caring, fist 03:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Its been done long ago. 50.130.133.249 (talk) 03:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, good. I've just removed his resurrections from all categories, so his little project won't have any negative effects. 03:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I want to renew this concern: these articles show up in relevant Googling. Can we exclude his namespace from external search?-- 08:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Better: that all oldid/difflinks are barred from bots, as that's how they are getting around what Trent has already done (see here for why this has come up again). Peter Urist for Mod! 08:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * diffs and oldids have noindex by default. It seems google only respects it for pagerank calculations, but otherwise displays the page as a search result. Normally you wouldn't see it as it would be buried at the end of the results, but if you search for bootmii conservapedia for example, the search words are so specific that you will see it, as those are the only relevant results. -- Nx  / talk 09:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, so they're indexed, but not given any priority? Then I guess we should leave well-enough alone on this one.-- 22:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

should special:random exclude pages like...
This? I was rolling random pages and that comes up. 13:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what we use SimpleForms for, possibly the essay portal's "create an essay" input box... could delete it and see what breaks. Scarlet A.pngsshole 09:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Liquid Threads
It's obviously the dumbest thing we ever got out in front of. Question is, once you go liquid, can you ever go back? 03:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To what extent? It's easy enough to remove it from a page, removing it from the wiki entirely would be more than a little bit harder. Peter Blessed are the cheesemakers 04:06, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can, but archiving them is awkward. I hate them too.-- 06:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? It is used sporatically in a few isolated place around the wiki, mostly those that opted in on their talkpage. If you wish to de-lqt a page move the page to a subpage archive and start a fresh. Pi 3:14 (talk) 07:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good advice. 03:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Troll-B-gone
I wanted to recreate the account Maratrean... not to use it, simply to stop anyone to recreate it and use it to impersonate me. And I discover that editfilter blocks it (Troll-B-Gone). I don't really mind so long as that edit filter is permanent. 04:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Create another account; I will rename it to Maratrean. That may do it.-- 04:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks AD, here it is. Marasomething (talk) 05:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep that's me. 05:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.-- 05:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks AD. 06:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Time for another abuse filter
Check out the activity around User:Unidyne and User:Green1.--ZooGuard (talk) 16:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Since when does the abuse filter stop administrative actions?
For some reason the abuse filter is preventing me from vaporizing the off-topic neighborhood drama queen hangout. DMorris, on the EIP Network 1 855 282 2882 17:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well no it shouldn't be but also no reason to vap the page. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed that. Still, don't delete the page. Тy talk 18:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiBlame
Anyone willing to install WikiBlame, here or at RWW?--ZooGuard (talk) 11:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I can give it a shot @rww later. Тyrannis An iron, but caring, fist 12:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Will this allow us to search log summaries as well?-- 02:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * *bump*--ZooGuard (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would really like an answer, positive, negative, or something else. Will it be too hard to adapt the PHP code for RW instead of Wikimedia projects?--ZooGuard (talk) 09:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Any update?--ZooGuard (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Does anyone pay any attention to topics that are not at the bottom of the page?--ZooGuard (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Special:Watchlist is borken
Someone fix it? 02:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Mine is not. 02:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Mine is. Doesn't load at all. 02:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tried a dozen times. Are you sure you loaded yours?  Maybe I'll try one of my pupsockets.  03:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The only reason I even looked at this page was because it showed up on my watchlist. 03:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's just me. I wonder what is wrong?  03:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you have too many pages on it? Try limiting the time window to an hour. 03:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I only have 20-30,000 or so on it. It's been doing fine all these years.  03:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, your version loaded after a bit of a wait. But a one hour watchlist is useless. 03:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Still broken. Is anyone watching? 06:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it just your watchlist that's broken, or are things generally slow? Peter Urist for Mod! 06:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It is mine that is borken. LX's works, I ran a few pocksuppets, they worked.  I tried LX "one hour" thing above and it worked, but very slowly (and is useless of course).  When I click "my watchlist", after a bit of a spin of the wheels, it settles down and pretends it is done, but returns no html.  I suspect Trent is fucking with me.  06:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I can't work here without a functional watchlist. This is a basic MW functionality. I appreciate your comments, but you are not tech folks fixing the problem. 06:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Work? I thought all you did here was revert people and tell them they're useless. -- Nx  / talk 07:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Either FUCK OFF or FIX IT. Loser. Lol. It is now a month later and you useless "Techs" and "Mods" can't make a simple MW function work?  04:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist
Mine is borken. Is it just me or the entire internets? 03:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Alert, Captain, basic function does not work! 03:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably just you, but you never know. Same problem as last time? Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 03:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, just me. What same problem?  03:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This one, from exactly a month ago. Strange... Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 04:03, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Please fix, if there is anyone competent out there. Yes, I scrolled up. Fucking broken for a month? That's just embarrassing. 04:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Mine works fine. It's probably something on your end, not the server. 04:10, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked some sockpuppets, they work fine. It's the server.  You're a tech, right?  Investigate and fix, don't blame the user.   04:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Techs don't have server access. Тy talk 04:21, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (EC) If it's the server then how can a tech help? You need Trent. Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 04:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (ECx2) 1) I'm not a tech. 2) Techs don't have server access. Only Trent has server access, after Nx turned down the Server Administrator position.
 * Having done as you requested and researched the issue, it seems as if you're watching too many pages for RW's server to handle. You may need to remove some pages, or exhort Trent to upgrade the server. 04:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

You have 18800 pages on your watchlist, the watchlist is formed with a php file being run on the server. It has to query and pull up information on each page from the database, such as the last diff and timestamp information. It takes a long time to go through all 18800 pages you have, eventually so long that the server assumes the php file is stuck in a loop and "timesout" the request. There is no reasonable fix I can offer to make a 20,000 page watch list function normally. However, I can purge pages from your watchlist with an older timestamp which should make it work. Tmtoulouse (talk) 16:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

More cquote issues
Still acting up. Is there any other method we can use instead of leaving the ref under the quote? It just looks awkward. Osaka Sun (talk) 23:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you be more specific than "still acting up"? Have you checked Template:Cquote/doc to make sure you're writing it correctly? It's just as shit a template as it's always been, but I can't see anything "broken" about it.  + The Chrome issue seems cleared up now.  23:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is what I'm getting on both Firefox and Safari. Is it similar from before? Osaka Sun (talk) 23:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you mean the links being in subscript, I don't know why the ref is causing that, but if you subscript around the ref, like this, it looks OK. 23:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. Going back to my original question, should we do the same for unattributed quotes on TAA and other articles? Osaka Sun (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The fourth or fifth parameter is the place quote authors/sources are supposed to be noted in cquote. Re the quotes here, the text already says "in his pompous and self-indulgent e-book Scumbag: Musings of a Subhuman (2007)" right above the quotes, so it would seem a bit redundant to write "TJ Kincaid, Scumbag: Musings of a Subhuman (2007)" again right next to them, but is still appropriate to link to source, hence why I put the links in footnotes.  If you want to move the ref link from fourth parameter to the end of the quote, go ahead.  00:13, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For much of this, I'd recommend quotebox instead. Scarlet A.pngmoral 00:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Specifically, cquote is more for what you'd call pull-quotes where you'd take a fairly terse remark and set it aside, or something that isn't necessarily needed. I.e., it's for decoration. Because it's just separated and with the quote marks, it's not too distracting, It can also look pretty for those quotes at the top for this reason, too. But quotebox and the blockquote tags are far more appropriate to quoting lengths of text for reference as part of the article instead of just decoration. But I still don't understand the issue here. Ref will automatically superscript when you use them, wrapping them in and tags is redundant and breaks the appearance of them. Scarlet A.png theist|undefined  00:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought the problem was supposed to be the fact that linked words appear subscripted in the quote when there's a ref at the end of the line (see OsakaSun's image link), hence why I suggested subscripting the ref link, which seems to fix this (in a lame workaround sort of way). However, OS has since gone & superscripted ref links in a bunch of quotes that don't contain any other links, so I no longer know what this about.  06:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Shit, my bad. Osaka Sun (talk) 07:41, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a crapload of quotes on the wiki to change then. Osaka Sun (talk) 00:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * On your marks. Get set.... 01:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * When I was a young and up-and-coming aspie fascist, the task would have been a piece of cake. Alas, it's been too long, and I might no longer have the energy. So, quotes where the source is better left in form should be changed from cquote to quotebox? Hmm. 04:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Or alternatively, you do something like this Scarlet A.pngmoral 09:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you guys using the extra brackers for the dimensions of the quote symbols? If you look at the quote here, you'll see tha it doesn't have any problems because I put in extra brackers (I also specified pixels, but you can leave that blank)-- 16:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Search
Is it busted again? I'm getting 0 results on anything that isn't an exact page title match. 23:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Not working for me either. 23:41, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is indeedy doodly busted again - David Gerard (talk) 15:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Liars! Tmtoulouse (talk) 16:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed now. Thanks TMT.  22:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Where does the #choose magic word come from?
See topic. Tmtoulouse (talk) 04:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nx wrote it, but nobody noticed as it met with approval. Pi 3:14 (talk) 04:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it an extension then? Tmtoulouse (talk) 04:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea. -  π    04:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Guess its time to start searching, this is going to get tedious if there is a lot of these around. Tmtoulouse (talk) 04:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would look to see if he modified the parser function extension first. From what I remember it is one of the first thing parsed when the html page is being generated, so unlike the old choose tag you could write parser functions that were dependent on the result of the choice. -  π    04:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It should be in RandomSelection.php. -- Nx  / talk 04:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yah found it, thanks, had pulled a newer version off mediawiki. Tmtoulouse (talk) 05:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This might be why my sig appears to be a bit broken... Scarlet A.pngbomination 15:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

error when uploading image
I have received the following message when I tried to upload an image: 13:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/4/45".
 * Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/4/45/ ".
 * This is not entirely unexpected given that there was some maintenance performed earlier and it's still not 100% complete as of now. Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 14:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This should be fixed. Tmtoulouse (talk) 16:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that it is, in fact, fixed. Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 13:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Ru-rw is down
ru:Заглавная страница is not working now.--Mr. B  15:07, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * yes working on it still. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:26, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Should be working, but keep monitoring the situation and link me any problems. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

reCaptcha got borked, replaced with ConfirmEdit keep an eye out on any problems with the CAPTCHA and spam bots (saw some got through hopefully sealed the whole). Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, now it is ok!--Mr. B  18:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Old rating gadget
MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition: HotArticleRate2 is an outdated version, it should be removed. -- Nx  / talk 06:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For the record, this is now done. Scarlet A.pngpostate 02:22, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Weird error
When I attempt to mark an edit as patrolled via pop ups I get a message saying I am a session hijacker. Marking the edit normally produces no error. Тy passive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 03:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A change in one of the recent MW versions, patrolling now needs a special patrol token, the script needs updating. -- Nx  / talk 06:10, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Updated since my last visit is gone
What happened to that? -- Nx  / talk 06:10, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The what? Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Green thing in the fossil record of a watched page. Been very erratic of late. Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 22:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

The server threw a temporary fit
At about 5:14am PDT/12:14pm UTC the server went berserk and stopped responding to the outside world for about 15 minutes. During this time, it responded to ping, but the site timed out on any page loads. About 15 minutes later, the blog uptime counter iframe actually loaded (instead of timing out itself) and gave a system load reading of 69.30. It's been steadily decreasing, but is at 9.29 as of this comment. Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 1013 points 12:42, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (EC you will die a painful death) I blame Tetronian. --  Nx  / talk 12:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The Special:Block page also doesn't have any of the RW customizations for time period or block reason and seems to be a default MediaWiki list now. The server is also being very slow, even though the load is about normal (around 2.75). Ochotonaprincepsnot a pokémon 1013 points 14:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * They are all there, again, maybe a cache issue. Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Capturebot2 down?
The last requests haven't been captured: User:Capturebot2/sandbox.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is currently not functioning. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What exactly is the problem? Incompatibility with the new MediaWiki API?--ZooGuard (talk) 15:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And by the way, the article I need those captures for is in no way related to Conservapedia. :)--ZooGuard (talk) 06:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

My sig keeps getting forcibly fucked up
Every time I add a custom sig into my preferences, MediaWiki keeps adding the prefix "SUBST:" to the signature after I save, thus completely fucking up my attempts at having a custom sig and posting everything in the sig template instead. What's up with that? User:Reckless Noise Symphony 05:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Its being "cleaned" and I don't have a fix yet, though its a good opportunity for people to create sigs the won't break the server all the time. Tmtoulouse (talk) 05:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you apply the patch manually? Maybe you made a typo? -- Nx  / talk 07:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you suggest I do about it, then? Keep just the normal "Reckless Noise Symphony" sig without the templating? Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 05:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't you set your preferences to "" and have that page contain ""? Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 05:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, don't tell them! -- Nx  / talk 07:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's how I've always done mine. 07:33, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought we had decided a year ago to crack down on this crap anyway? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * People will just go back to using double templates. -- Nx  / talk 17:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Does subst:expand not work? Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>narchist 22:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Less than meaningless thing
The length of the job queue can no longer be viewed from Special:Statistics. I assume this was removed in the upgrade? 04:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was removed in 1.17. Тy Ask me about frog-backed securities 04:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Phew. Here was me thinking I melted it. πίτα (bot) 04:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The problems that remain in ru-rw
I've mentioned about them above, but I'll repeated it just in case. There are two of them: 1) ru:Special:SpecialPages (response "internal error"), 2) ru:Второе начало термодинамики запрещает эволюцию (math tags are not working). Thank you.--Mr. B  19:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

User rights and other wonky things post-upgrade
Seems like the user rights button hath gone missing? Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 16:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Also SUBST-sigs, hotcat, editcount, hotarticle rate, and pop ups. Тy passive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 16:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, click on the "Add Topic" button below and see what happens. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 16:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably caused by missing the entire gadget tab in preferences caused by the upgrade. 16:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (Screencap)  17:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you guys test gadgets now? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Gotten a bit confused too much piled into one topic header let's break it out. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Gadgets
Working? Broken? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Article rate and hotcat work. Тy passive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 18:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Section 0 works.  19:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Navigation popups are working. -- 21:41, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Rate" tab is misaligned (either one under gadgets), but the stuff should work. User:K61824User_talk:K61824 05:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the order of elements inside Vector's tabs has changed. -- Nx  / talk 05:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the a needs to be inside the span. -- Nx  / talk 06:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The watch is missing its purge link. The alternative purge gadget that is supposed to add a * link also doesn't seem to work.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

SUBST_sigs
Haven't looked at it yet. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Is this still broken? Just tried one manually and it worked. Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems so. Тy passive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 18:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't replicate this bug on rwbeta which will slow down my ability to trouble shoot, suggest just using the raw code in sig rather than a subst template for now. tmtoulouse 20:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright. 20:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll test mine now. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>narchist
 * Still broken. --
 * Needs my patch. -- Nx  / talk 22:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Which patch for what? Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The one from last time. --  Nx  / talk 22:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers. tmtoulouse 22:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Signature cleaning is still on. -- Nx  / talk 13:28, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Its still set to false in LocalSettings but I will see if I can track it down. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just tested on a fresh new MW1.20, patch should work. -- Nx  / talk 20:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just tried with my sig - problem is still happening. (See my talk page, under test) - It's pulling through the text of the macro, not the result. <font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  --Psygremlin (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

User rights
What button? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The one on an individual user's page that lets you sysop them/move them to the autopatrolled group. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 17:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a gadget right? Can you check again? Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good to go. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 18:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Bureaucrats are back, and the names of the moderator and ninja groups are singular where they apparently should be plural. 08:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Crats are gone again, the nameing issues has to do with the deprecation of addMessages, its on my list but low priority atm. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Add Topic link at the bottom of talk pages
Leads to a page titled "Null" that you can create if you want. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 17:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Common.css


Has anything changed in the common.css file? Either the fallbacks for the gradients have changed or something has gone seriously wrong. <font color=#CC0033>d hominem 20:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Browser-related? Looks fine for me in Ubuntu/Chromium. Theory of Practice "the standards of the site are ultimately an expression of the community makeup, and not a set of rules or policies." 20:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably. I doubt it specifies o-linear-gradient, but previously it just fell back to white. No version update that I'm aware of, this seems related to the site change. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>pathetic 21:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, it's in vector.css, but I don't have the tech rights to fix it. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>d hominem 21:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have got a fix go for it, you can tech yourself as a mod. Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take a look in the morning. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral 22:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Resolved with fallbacks and future-proofing in place. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>postate 12:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Was it that bad with IE before, or was it just broken in the update somehow? -- Nx  / talk 12:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is in Opera, as there was no vendor prefix for the gradient. Previously it just fell back to a white background and coloured border but after the update it didn't for some utterly bizarre reason. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>theist 12:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * But it did exactly the same in IE (which, although I don't check it on IE regularly, looked normal last time I loaded it in IE9), which is why I played with it a bit more to get the fallbacks in place. Unless there was something up between the differences in adding gradients to background or background-image (I've converted them all to the former) I can't figure out what suddenly went wrong. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral 12:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (ec) I briefly looked at the IE version, and saw it was similarly horrible before you fixed it, but I'm pretty sure I made a colored border/white bg fallback back when I made this. Probably what borked it was the changes to wikitable css (MediaWiki 1.19) -- Nx  / talk 12:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like tables on the wiki don't get a white background any more automatically. This might bork some other stuff on the wiki. -- Nx  / talk 13:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I remember you changing something to do with that but have forgotten what. I think it was fairly obscure, though, I'll keep an eye out for what it is and see if there's a conflict. Changes in the wikitable formatting might explain it. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>gnostic 13:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * May have found one. The gadget that puts a box around individual WIGO entries is now transparent, rather than yellow. 13:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a loading order issue. Common.css has a ".vote {background:transparent;}" that's no longer needed (it used to be because of the forced white bg on all tables), and it's now loading after the gadget's css for some reason, overriding it. -- Nx  / talk 13:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed that one. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>pathetic 13:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Math tags
Also broken. Тy passive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 22:37, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I skimmed one of the updates and I think it mentioned about the maths tags and HTML, might want to read through the "what's new" pages. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>narchist 01:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For people following along, here's a math tag:, $$\int_0^\pi sin(x)\,dx$$. If that looks like math, then this problem has been fixed. VOX  HUMANA  02:15, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Test. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Тy passive-aggressive sigs are the best sigs 15:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

These tags are also broken at ru-rw.--Mr. B  20:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Math tag background
$wgTexvcBackgroundColor should be set to "Transparent", see mediawikiwiki:Extension:Math. -- Nx  / talk 10:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. And there is another problem: the page ru:Special:SpecialPages is also down. Seeming, I can fix it by myself.--Mr. B  20:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

LQT toolbar
Uncaught Error: Unknown dependency: ext.wikiEditor. LQT needs to be updated. -- Nx  / talk 06:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Updated, where best can I check for this error? Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * When you try to reply, it doesn't load the edit toolbar. It's still broken. -- Nx  / talk 18:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Intercom
Trying to write a new message results in an internal server error. -- Nx  / talk 06:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hopefully fixed, though what I am doing maybe bad? xml::hidden is no longer valid to use apparently so switched to html::hidden, thoughts? Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I see'd it C ® ackeЯ
 * Probably moved the function from the Xml class to the Html class, since hidden input fields are Html-specific. -- Nx  / talk 18:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Best of Conservapedia
Conservapedia:Best of Conservapedia Internal server error -- Nx  / talk 06:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed, though see above regarding xml::hidden. Tmtoulouse (talk) 15:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Topicon
Seems to make the title have more padding than it needs. <font color=#CC0033>theist 14:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Something to do with overflow in the header css. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>gnostic 14:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Left-hand menu
Unless it's just me, there's no links to 'saloon bar' 'forum' etc. --Psygremlin (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Logs" is also gone, & there are links to non-existant "community portal" & "current events" pages. 17:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Its all there, might be a cache issue, shift reloading fix it for you? Tmtoulouse (talk) 22:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, seems to be all there now. Thanks! --Psygremlin (talk) 10:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Vector javascript of some sort
I didn't catch the filename, but there's some Vector (theme) related JavaScript that's making my Firefox (on a somewhat aging netbook) go batshit. It soaks up 100% CPU for a fair fraction of a minute before giving me the page. I shall try to catch it in more detail ... but anyone else seeing this? - David Gerard (talk) 20:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=20120613T182239Z:62 - David Gerard (talk) 03:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeowwwch! I've seen prettier Wix sites. But MediaWiki:Vector.js is empty, and MediaWiki:Common.js doesn't have anything out of the normal in it. So I can't see where you're getting that from. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>narchist 10:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's ResourceLoader, which automagically minifies, combines and caches css and js files. It's loading jquery. If you add a debug=true to the query string of any page on the wiki (index.php?title=Whatever&debug=true), it skips the minifying and combining. -- Nx  / talk 10:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not the guacamole-like rendering, it's the code itself doing something pathological - that Wikipedia doesn't do and my work intranet installation of 1.19 doesn't do - David Gerard (talk) 12:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Diff it in debug mode to see what's the difference between RW's jquery and the others. -- Nx  / talk 14:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha - it's only happening on my watchlist, which is the page I do most of my RW from - but I basically don't use my watchlist on Wikipedia or the work wiki. Just tried on Wikipedia (which is now at 1.20wmf7, not 1.19.1) and the watchlist doesn't do that to me. - David Gerard (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Fair use upload page
Doesn't seem to be working properly. --Psygremlin (talk) 14:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

VandalBrake
For some reason, I cannot access the page to place an account into the vandal brake. It just comes up blank.

The Noisy Orchestra Oi! Oi! Oi!

The Symphony of Noise The official spikey-haired skeptical punk

Recklessly Noise Punk What's this button do? Uh oh....

Lord of Reckless Noise Hooray! I'm helping!

Anarcho Symphony Noise Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living

The Spikey Punk I'm punking my punk!

The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!

The Punk Symphony of Noise Your mental puke relief

03:30, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Same again. Sophie Wilder  15:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Some banners broken
At least two banner templates aren't working any more for me (Ubuntu/Chrome).
 * Template:Delete isn't working, as can be seen on BIRTH_CONTROL_IS_SINFUL_IN_THE_CHRISTIAN_MARRIAGES_and_also_ROBBING_GOD_OF_PRIESTHOOD_CHILDREN!!
 * Template:EssaynonCC isn't working, as can be seen on Essay:AD's Beliefs. Not sure if it's just me.--[[Image:adsig.png|25px|link=User:AD|AD]]talk 03:15, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Problem does not manifest in Firefox, only in Chrome.--[[Image:adsig.png|25px|link=User:AD|AD]]talk 03:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Screenshot? Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 03:53, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Funny, works fine for me. I'm also using Chrome. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 08:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Works on Mint/Chrome for me. Peter This is not my first temporal anomaly 08:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * how did I know this was going to be a Chrome issue? Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 13:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never seen this problem on any computer with Chrome. 18:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just had this happen to me. Clear your cache, that should fix it. -- Nx  / talk 12:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Still a SUBST problem
Using this <font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  as my sig is still giving this as a result: <font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  Speak! Praat! Khuluma! Поговорите! 話しなさい 말하십시오 Siarad! Hable! 講話 Parlez! Fale! Sprich! Zungumza! Tal! Prata! Snakk! Tala! Sermā! Parla! Runāt!

Removing the SUBST from it doesn't help, if I click save, it's inserted. --<font face="Wild Words">[[User:Psygremlin| PsyGremlin ] 15:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello? /rings bell /knocks on glass. --Psygremlin (talk) 12:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you tried converting it to the parser rather than the choose tag? Eg: Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral  12:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Now it's posting the whole new line: <font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  and still sticking SUBST in under the preferences. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  12:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It will keep sticking SUBST in there until Trent fixes it. Your options now are: use subst:expand with the parser syntax to get a substed random sig like Armondikov's, ditch the random thing, or go back to using two templates. -- Nx  / talk 14:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Where do I type in the "subst:expand"? My wiki-fu is weak. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin  14:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In preferences, my sig reads (with "sign exactly as shown" ticked). Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral  14:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tried that and my sig shows PsyGremlin - I'll go back to plain until it's working again. Thanks for the help. --Psygremlin (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a reason you have a pipe at the end of "sig" there? Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>theist 14:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And no colon between "expand" and "User". Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>d hominem 14:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, that seems to have fixed it. Thank you - give yourself the rest of the day off. Tell them I said so. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin Fale! 15:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Already taken most of the day off. It's been grand. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>moral 15:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Pibot
It looks like our little archiving bot is also on the blink. --<font face="Wild Words"> PsyGremlin Sermā! 10:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Then switch to LQT and you won't have those problems. Is it really that hard for you liberals to understand such simple concepts? Conservative Punk (talk) 10:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Working on it. Might be a while before I can safely archive anything besides the bar though. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 06:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Archiving's pretty easy(ish) really. I'll do the bar. Sophie  Wilder  06:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just did that a few minutes ago. But TWIGO:CP is another matter. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 06:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn it, I thought that thing had a 'simulate' function. Oh well. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 06:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Holydaze
Why is it now sitting on the left, despite an align:center command in Template:Holydaze/0820? I checked a few others at random, & many of them are doing the same. 18:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank goodness it's not just me. I've been trying to fix it without any luck.  Lily Inspirate me. 18:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>postate 18:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, chuck!  Lily Inspirate me. 18:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * align="center" is used in a lot of the Holydaze templates. What made it stop working?  19:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It will probably be due to the update. The way wikitables were handled changed slightly as it still works in divs, though:

Div content, centred.


 * Either way, it should be done through styling as that's the standard, for whatever reason. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination 20:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

api
Suddenly, the query http://rationalwiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=usergroups&format=xml results in   <error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info="Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setIndexedTagName: Bad parameter" xml:space="preserve" />

Can anybody help? <font color="black" face="georgia"><font color=#101010>l <font color=#202020>a <font color=#303030>r <font color=#404040>r <font color=#505050>o <font color=#606060>n  <font color=#707070>s <font color=#808080>i <font color=#858585>c <font color=#909090>u <font color=#A0A0A0>t <font color=#A5A5A5>f <font color=#B0B0B0>u <font color=#B5B5B5>r <font color=#C0C0C0>i <font color=#C5C5C5>n <font color=#D0D0D0>n <font color=#D5D5D5>o <font color=#E0E0E0>c <font color=#E5E5E5>t <font color=#F0F0F0>e  15:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem is still there. And it is RW-specific:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=usergroups&format=xml


 * shows the expected result. Can anybody help? Thanks. <font color="black" face="georgia"><font color=#101010>l <font color=#202020>a <font color=#303030>r <font color=#404040>r <font color=#505050>o <font color=#606060>n  <font color=#707070>s <font color=#808080>i <font color=#858585>c <font color=#909090>u <font color=#A0A0A0>t <font color=#A5A5A5>f <font color=#B0B0B0>u <font color=#B5B5B5>r <font color=#C0C0C0>i <font color=#C5C5C5>n <font color=#D0D0D0>n <font color=#D5D5D5>o <font color=#E0E0E0>c <font color=#E5E5E5>t <font color=#F0F0F0>e  21:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's api specific it'd be best dealt with by firing off an email to Trent. I don't think it's anything we can fix just through the MW interface. Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>gnostic 21:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Are there other API queries that are breaking? Tmtoulouse (talk) 16:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I havn't encountered any other breaking query. Thanks for looking into it. larron (talk) 07:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

US Politics template breaking articles
Example: Michele Bachmann. Apparently the ref screws up at the place you add this template (none of the ref before it will show up in the reflistdue to the ref count reset after the template). I am not sure whether the other templates will have similar problems, so I report it here. User:K61824User_talk:K61824 16:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Putting templates which contain random DPL (such as that sidebar) screw up refs placed before them. You can either reshuffle the ordering (go image, template, text) or ditch the template entirely. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 21:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Тy Complaints here 21:29, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The bigger question might be, is it possible to fix DPL for that kind of behaviour, or are we doomed to the quest to search for articles with a sidebar in the middle? User:K61824User_talk:K61824 04:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Full-text search doesn't work
Only article title suggestions work at the moment.--ZooGuard (talk) 07:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "Thank you" to whoever fixed it.--ZooGuard (talk) 06:28, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Vandal Bin
The link to the page that lets us bin folks seems to be busted; gives an error message. Theory of Practice "Trampoline" is an Olympic sport now? 15:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I was hoping to bin this joker, before he opens a dozen more James Randi and X debates, but the link takes me to a blank page. Has anybody looked into this?-- "Shut up, Brx." 03:09, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Saloon Bar & Monobook
So I noticed it a bit ago, but since i've been mostly inactive I've not really cared, but using my skin I actually can't access any of the Buttons on the SB (And just the SB, and just through Firefox) Any idea why?-- Mikal Harass  Follow 03:27, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. Jeeves tried to fix it the other day, but he gave up. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 03:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * That fixes the specific problem. The real problem involves all pages using 'notitle,' and seems to be related to the .mp_content thing in MediaWiki:Monobook.css. Peter Rapidly running out of marmite 03:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * .mp_content applies to a box on the main page, it's unrelated. Here is the fix -- Nx  / talk 12:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

A "like" button
This is a serious issue lol. I am so used to being able to "like" (but not "hate") any given post in any thread on FB, and it is frustrating to not be able to do it here. Screw LQT trying to make our talk pages "look like" other bitas of the web that don't work well anyway, how about a widget that creates a "like/dislike" button after every post on a page it is installed on? Like the Saloon Bar and some talk pages. <font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"> ħ uman  05:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Posts don't exist on wiki talk pages, from a technical standpoint. They are a completely arbitrary distinction created by humans. For MediaWiki, a wiki talk page is just one huge blob of text. You could insert a like button after every post (let's ignore the fact that this is impossible to do automatically, which is why there's no extension to automatically insert a signature for you after your post), but what would it like? The revision in which the text we identify as a post was added to the page? What if the post is modified later? There's no way for the software to link the likes with the actual post, because there is no such thing as a post from its point of view. You could just insert a random, unique id for the like button, and then arbitrarily associate it with a post, without the software ever knowing of this association. That's basically how WIGO works (it stores a copy of the wigo text in the database individually, but that is only used for bestof). The problem with this approach is:
 * The inability to insert the code automatically - because MediaWiki talk pages are just a blob of text in which we arbitrarily decide that certain indented paragraphs are posts (in some cases, several indented paragraphs belong to the same post, but because of the totally free format, there's no exact rule to determine which paragraphs belong to one post; generally they're indented the same, and only the last one has a signature, but this isn't certain). This would lead to the same problem we have with sigs, except this time you'd also have to conjure up a unique id for the post yourself. And despite all the helpful aids and notes and warnings, duplicate WIGO IDs happen occasionally, duplicate post IDs would happen a lot more, even if there was a simple "click here to insert like button" button on the toolbar.
 * The association would be weak, and anybody could alter it - e.g. with WIGOs, you could just insert an old WIGO id on a new WIGO, and instantly get 100+ votes - of course someone would likely notice that in the case of WIGO, mainly because of the sequential nature of WIGOs, but with posts where you would basically have one pool of IDs for every talk page (you can't have separate post IDs per talk page, because if you archive or move a post it would lose its likes) that would become much harder to spot.
 * Formatting problems - because of the free format of MediaWiki talk pages, it would be difficult to make a like button that doesn't break when someone formats their post weirdly. With LQT, you have a fixed content area in which the post resides, and a fixed layout around every post.
 * Text pollution - sigs are already bad enough, now imagine every post also had something like after it, or every post being enclosed in Post text goes here.
 * You'd need LQT to be able to implement this. How ironic. -- Nx  / talk 10:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Facebook? <font color=Blue>Генгис silverbrain.png 10:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * goodpost Scarlet A.png<font color=#CC0033>bomination silverbrain.png 11:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * <vote poll=SeeWhatIDidHere>There's nothing to stop you putting a WIGO-style voting button against all your posts, like I've done here, so readers can upvote & downvote it. But I don't think it would be very popular if you want to use it for every talkpage comment.  06:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Weaseloid is a tosser -- Nx  / talk 11:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)