RationalWiki talk:Chicken coop

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Leucippus Salva veritate 12:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Personal attack
So, this called ma a dumbass and generally attacks me instead of my arguments. Is this the correct place to resolve personal attacks? Londondare (talk)
 * If you feel that this issue needs moderator and community attention, you may start a new topic on the moderator noticeboard. I encourage you to try and work out this issue on the relevant talk page first. Regards, —cosmikdebris talk stalk 16:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Fencing the Chicken Coop
There were several "Let's take it to Talk" entries on the Protection log, but I didn't notice any new topics on it.

So. Has there been a history of issues with new users/BoNs clogging up the Coop that necessitates indef protection vice ad hoc temporary protects? ℕoir LeSable (talk) 18:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Used to be yes. The recent cause was DMorris or a fanboy of his basically constantly filing spurious coop cases against Oxyaena. Here's one of the few archived examples of this, although most have just been wiped from the page on-sight after affirming that yes, the coop is just more bitching that his alts got found out. -- Techpriest (talk) 20:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * To be clear, ATIMs protection was enacted to cut down on similar issues; people would just constantly complain to mods over the tiniest of reversions by other editors instead of taking it to the talkpage (mod archives probably show this a bit clearer since those iirc got archived moreso, since unlike the coop, mod archives are actually allowed to have multiple caess in them). -- Techpriest (talk) 20:33, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There have been multiple cases in the coop at one time as recently as two years ago (RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive108). I don't know of any rule against that. Bongolian (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes yes, Oxyaena thought EVERYBODY who criticized her was a sock of Morris, in fact a big part of her downfall is she finally accused an old guard member (Nutty Roux) who for whatever reason chose not to log in of being Morris, and it bit her right in the ass. Her idiocy is also a big reason why I finally registered this account, I got tired of getting blocked as a sock of Morris or Mike every time she didn't like an edit I made. As a matter of fact, one of those "spurious" coop cases may have come from me; I don't recall a coop case, but I do remember complaining about her numerous times and being dismissed as an alleged sock of someone I was not. It took Nutty and Ace to come forth and point out what an absolute idiot Oxyaena was for people to actually listen to it. I recall Ace called her "cancer" on the wiki. In light of my own experience, frankly I think complaints and appeals at the coop should be an exception even for banned users because Oxyaena and her friend Dyskloser should have been gone long before they were. 71.208.x.x (talk) 18:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * For me (CU), what caused my antipathy towards her was seeing constant spam adverts for anarchism in the SB, and when I asked her to explain why she thought she'd do well in an anarchist society, all I got was insults and accusations of "sealioning", or some BS about "executive disorder" which "prevented" her from answering questions. CorSock (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * All in all, Oxyaena was worse for this site than Morris and Mike combined, and this site is definitely better off without her. And the coop is better off unprotected except temp protection in the event of persistent vandalism (notice I didn't say trolling, which is because things that aren't trolling is often called trolling by people like Oxyaena to dismiss someone's argument). 71.208.x.x (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought Oxy was blocked due to her request and then locked in by the community (RationalWiki_talk:All_things_in_moderation/Archive41)? --Andrew5 (talk) 21:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * However, I also don't remember ever interacting with Oxy so I'm probably missing something. --Andrew5 (talk) 21:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It was a combination of both requested and the community just being done with them. That said, when it comes to autoconfirmed locking the coop, it really was just a constant stream of actual low-effort vandals misusing the coop. I'm gonna say it's fine lifted, but if it comes back again (with a vengeance), it should be relocked. Again, the reason was just BONs or new editors filing cases because "waah my edit whitewashing a crank got reverted". Oxy just was often the one to revert it. She did accuse a lot of people of being Morris, that's true. That aside there were other people that would constantly clog the coop, such as Smith (who periodically makes alt accounts to edit pages on cranks he didn't like and is banned for trying to get shit removed from RW because of some bullshit with him and a lawsuit). -- Techpriest (talk) 21:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's hyperbole to characterize her as worse than Morris more Mike, very extreme actually. Why we kept her as long as we did was that she sometimes contributed to pages and she DID make some points that weren't hogwash, she did revert and block trolls (though occasionally feeding them which she was told off for) and when she was told off by a sysop or mod she can back off and apologize and even acknowledge wrong-doing (which she did tell me later on that she regretted conversing with trolls and getting into that mess). She abused her tools, she was very dramatic and extremely unpleasant to the point she was knocked out of the RatChat Discord (the og one) and then eventually this wiki, but she's not the worst. 22:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The one who used to threaten people with rape was probably the worst, but to be honest I don't see how Oxy making legitimate contributions makes her better than the average troll when even some of the trolls over the years have made contributions, mainspace contributions even. But I don't think that it really matters anymore unless she comes back, and then I would be in favor of treating her like a banned user; we can agree to disagree on that. What does matter is that it is alleged that protecting Oxyaena was part of the reason for protecting the coop indef, which is ridiculous if true, and also an argument in favor of unprotection since Oxy is long gone. 71.208.x.x (talk) 23:06, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oxy was a rotten presence. The constant lying… Jesus… Acei9 00:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Please stick to the manner at hand. --Andrew5 (talk) 01:08, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You're not a mod. 01:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And that excuses us to get off topic about someone who, honestly, was a year in the past and should've been forgotten? --Andrew5 (talk) 01:49, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So. Should the Chicken Coop remain protected? --Andrew5 (talk) 01:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll probably just unprotect it, and if bonbons try their luck too many times, then semi protect. Like we used to do. 00:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fuck man, I was just saying. No I’m not a mod but who gives a fuck - Oxy was a fucking disgrace. Acei9 07:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * and no longer here. why reheat old drama? AMassiveGay (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * --Andrew5 mobile (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Because it was mentioned. I'm not interested in reheating it - was just saying. Acei9 00:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Discussing Oxyaena is not off topic because complaints against her is allegedly the reason for protecting the coop. I don't care if the complaints were from Morris, Mike, Abd, the Unabomber, President Biden, the Vatican, Vladamir Putin, the ghost of Osama Bin Laden, or the man on the moon, any complaint against Oxyaena probably should have been listened to because she, as Ace once said, was cancer on the site. And if the reason for protecting the coop was to stop complaints against her, the protection absolutely needs to GO. 71.208.x.x (talk) 22:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * If we listen to every complaint, we’d become a website focused on discipline. Also, Oxy seems polarizing and a great deterrent from discussing issues. Andrew5 mobile (talk) 23:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * those complaints were almost all summarizable as "I rewrote the page about this neonazi to downplay that they're a neonazi and Oxy reverted me". there's no substance to them, it'd just tire folks if we kept relitigating effectively the same case over and over. oxy isn't the fucking devil, she was a mediocre editor with some good points and a whole slew of personal issues that made her a shit sysop/tech. -- Techpriest (talk) 11:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, more of less. She was alright, except for when she wasn't. To newcomers she probably looked like a pontifex maximus, an office we don't really need here. She's probably still here disguised as a republican. Ariel31459 (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * …A pontifex maximus? --Luigifan18 (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

kasunex
I'd like to bring to attention Vee, Plutocow, and OnlySortaDumb for breaking wiki rules.

This is NOT about my conduct, but rather to bring to justice these three. I'm gone. These three are staying. Their conduct needs to be given attention.

Vee: Added a "troll" break for no reason but that she didn't approve of my argument. Called me a "rape apologist".

OnlySortaDumb: Called me "disgusting" and "pro-slave rape."

Plutocow: Twisted my words to accuse me of supporting beastiality. Called me dumb. Deleted my comments from both his talk page and my own personal. Repeatedly lied about the troll break, suggesting I had been the first to use it rather than Vee.

Most of this convo can be seen on the talk page for the Thomas Jefferson article.

I would have posted this here rather than gone vandal, but I didn't know this recourse existed, so. If these users are given due I will step back from vandalism. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 37.19.218.164 / talk
 * Calling another user gross isn’t against the rules lol. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk)
 * lack of civility. Also, I can't even post the link to the source I was using for the argument because Plutocow spam filtered it. &mdash; Unsigned, by: 37.19.218.164 / talk
 * "If three established users are punished, I will stop vandalizing the wiki!" Gee, I wonder why no one will take you up on your brilliant offer. Nice demonstration of maturity, kid. Plutocow (talk) 00:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, a more reasonable approach would be to request a fair hearing rather than to threaten blackmail. Regarding the Jefferson page, this should have been resolved in its talk page and on the main page with additional citations. Bongolian (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I actually thought the initial requests were fairly reasonable. But once Kasunex descended into an insane temper tantrum upon being asked to not condone borderline rape, I quickly lost all sympathy for him. (Well, actually, I missed the point where everything went to hell. I looked at Kasunex's initial requests, thought they were reasonable but didn't feel qualified to comment, moved on to doing other stuff for a while (like playing Gems of War, watching YouTube videos, and spending time with my little brother who's visiting for the Thanksgiving weekend), then I checked back in and the recent changes were filled with a widespread edit war.) --Luigifan18 (talk) 17:38, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Plutocow
This should be moved over to the main coop, but what's up with Plutocow unilaterally banning people? I agree with blocking the account, in fact I see no reason to not indef it, but I thought banning required a coop vote (which I would vote in favor of if I were eligible)? . 209.121.189.16 (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That account is a long-term troll who only did shitty juvenile wandalism. I don't believe there ever is an issue banning long-term trolls. BobJohnson (talk) 01:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't even the one who originally blocked them; that would be A somebody. I did revoke their TPA after they abused it to continue their trolling though. Plutocow (talk) 01:10, 24 July 2023 (UTC)