Talk:Andrew Tate

This article
-looks nearly done despite being abandoned by its op. I think it should be moved to mainspace.
 * I did not abandon. SBA was giving assistance while I was dealing with my depression. Now that I feel better, I wanted to edit this article only to find out that the entire AT&T IP RANGE is blocked. Now that I am back I will be finishing this article for your request. 2600:387:9:9:0:0:0:57 (talk) 01:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Conversion to Islam
I've seen on Reddit that apparently Andrew Tate has converted to Islam. Given that Islam has a mile-wide misogynistic streak, I can't see this being anything good for the women in his life. --Luigifan18 (talk) 01:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't buy the pizza thing
Seems like the only sources are tweets. Christopher (talk) 16:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Two news sources call it likely (Business Insider) or possible (Independent). The Independent story includes a video of him ranting taking delivery of two videos. It wouldn't have taken a lot of sleuthing for the police to contact the pizzerias about recent orders, or if they already knew about Tate's residence(s), it would have been confirmation that he was home. Bongolian (talk) 16:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * it would not be the first time something like this has happened. there are plenty of tales of people being undone with evidence of crimes posted on their facebook pageAMassiveGay (talk) 17:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

It's digital journalism speculation, not confirmed 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 20:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * After looking into it, Romanian authorities already said the pizza box had nothing to do with them going out https://www.reuters.com/world/romania-detains-ex-kickboxer-andrew-tate-human-trafficking-case-2022-12-30/ 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

LGM, some media outlets did assert the pizza box theory merely than just speculate, eg https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/andrew-tate-arrested-by-pizza-box-and-more-slice-scofflaws/ 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 21:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh but that's New York Post, a disreputable media outlet. The article is just a souped up summary of a Twitter dispute. That's still speculation. 21:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it being disreputable means that media did not assert such. Given it is mainstream media, and RW is not for Twitter drama but partially for criticizing how the media handles even the worst of people. 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 21:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * More assertions from media in Google News:
 * https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/controversial-celeb-andrew-tate-arrested-from-romania-the-clue-pizza-box-3651053
 * https://www.geo.tv/latest/461853-pizza-delivery-gave-away-andrew-tates-address-in-romania
 * https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/trending-news/story/greta-thunberg-has-the-last-laugh-as-andrew-tate-gets-arrested-in-romania-over-human-trafficking-2315464-2022-12-30
 * https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/the-pizza-company-that-helped-incriminate-andrew-tate-is-seeing-a-sudden-surge-in-popularity/
 * https://www.98fm.com/news/controversial-influencer-andrew-tate-arrested-on-suspicion-of-human-trafficking-1415192
 * 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 21:34, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * NDTV, Geo, India Today. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 21:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you arguing? 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Whatever, it's not super important, I dislike the media almost as much as Tate tho 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 22:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That you're linking click-bait, BoN. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 22:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The question was whether or not to criticize some media for yes, asserting, an elaborate false narrative about a former child star and climate activist being crucially related to an arrest involving potential human trafficking. The fact that they did it with clickbait is a random factoid irrelevant to the broader argument.  It's almost a tautology that if someone is banal enough to report twitter rumors as fact they are unprincipled enough to use clickbait.  2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk)
 * I don't think we have to document what exact clickbait site has to say about something. Again, it's still gussied enough as speculation. A lot of media sites do just crib off Twitter posts and cobble some sloppy news article about them, but in the end of the day, summarizing it as "speculation" with a few sources is okay. No need to say much else except emphasize what actually happened. 20:44, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Not all Twitter sources are disreputable. In a lot of cases, social media covers things the mainstream media is more reluctant to cover (police brutality, anything that makes the state and capital look bad etc). It depends on the user in question IMHO. "90% of everything is crap," and mainstream media outlets are no different. Sure the Times is generally reputable as a source, but it still is ultimately biased in favor of corporate and establishment viewpoints. There seems to be this kind of opinion that because something is centrist that means it's a reputable source, no it just means it's biased in favor of the status quo. Vee (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Tate's webcam thing seems much more scammy than his affiliate thing
If anyone can figure out if it's still going on, what it is, and victims of it. The media only hints at it but says it lures men into fake relationships. Read like 2 dozen articles on Tate's dropshipping/investing thing, and yes while it's scammy, it's a snowflake in a blizzard of similar affiliate programs and the dropshipping thing appears to be legal and not 100% scammy like his webcam thing is reported to be. 2600:4040:403C:F300:C679:ABD4:F7F5:32B7 (talk) 23:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC) affiliate

This picture
Would it be on mission to add this pic to the page? Someone put this on his wikipedia page a few days ago. Thought it was funny. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 16:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * We have a snarky point of view, so yes. Vee (talk) 16:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

"It has been argued on TV Tropes that this distrust and fear of being cucked is a root cause of misogyny."
So says a note, which references a passage on a TV Tropes article claiming: Some theories have touted the fear of Cuckoldry as the Greater-Scope Villain that controls every single form of misogyny. Women can carry and give birth to their children, and men can't; thus, before the Daddy DNA Test was invented (which means, for more than 99.9% of humankind's existence), the only way to be certain of paternity was to avoid cuckoldry at all costs. This is why cuckoldry is seen as the ultimate insult for a man and the ultimate triumph for his nemesis. And thus, women are reduced to objects valued solely for their domesticity, virginity, and purity. Many societies saw this as a fair trade-off: in their view, the woman's certainty over the maternity of her children is a privilege and power she holds over men, so men are "entitled" to other forms of power to compensate. It's perhaps tangential to Andrew Tate, but what I want to know is, how true is this argument? No citation is provided, so I have no idea if this a capital-T theory explored by academics or someone making an educated guess about the roots of misogyny. DietMondrian (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Not exactly in these terms, but Googling, I did run into this review based on this book  that do suggest a link between fear of cuckolding / fear of cuckolding and and a desire to control female reproductive choice, to the point where some link it to domestic violence itself. This is supported here by a professor David Buss  and a few other places like here (which quotes from a book by Steven Pinker ("Better Angles of our Nature")). Such, if not quite the TV Tropes quote, suggests where the *cough* "trope" came from.
 * Note however that these opinions aren't without controversy by any means -- an article here non-scientifically called Buss's explanation "mansplaining", and some evidence seems to suggest that the picture is more complicated than these theories (as true cuckolding is rare by one report and some claims from the field seem to have failed verification when others tested it). Plus, the field where these claims reside ("evolutionary psychology") has some detractors by and large who seem to think much of the field
 * As this paper describes, I think the above descriptions are only partial at best explanation for the manosphere (and by extension Tate). The term is used in that paper to describe the overall theme, and it fits: the whole framework is not just to support mating and reproduction, but to place women as "commodities" that are completely subordinate to men; in addition, women are seen by this group as deceptive, immoral, and untrustworthy (and of course it's all women who supposedly are this way for some reason), which perhaps relates to fear of cuckolding, but might also reflect more fear of loss of social status or just plain ol' hateful misogyny for all I know. Such can be demonstrated by the manosphere community that has little to do with sex at all, yet is very much obsessed with social hierarchy and patriarchy: the incel community.  and the evolutionary psychology type explanations such as the above are used in order to justify their world view, but my "initial pass" view is that is only a tangential exercise in many respects. BobJohnson (talk) 21:48, 23 July 2023 (UTC)