User talk:Iduan/Archive 1

Welcome to the dollhouse. Locke   Always Watching...... 01:10, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Iduan, while you're here, can you confirm TK's de-sysoping? Locke [[Image:Eye.jpg|10px|User is Vandal/sysop]]  Always Watching...... 01:19, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Uhmm, yes TK was de-sysoped. However, I'm going to ask you not to read too much into that - as I'm not really sure of the circumstances - and if I were to guess, I would assume that this is a temporary move by Andy --Iduan 01:22, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Ok, won't read too much into it, but still, shocking. Locke [[Image:Eye.jpg|10px|User is Vandal/sysop]]  Always Watching...... 01:25, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Hi Iduan! I don't know too much about your activities on the other place... but welcome to what is, to many, a safe haven!- 01:59, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Hello AmesG - I'm not really a big shot at the other place - I edit the non-controversial articles and I work on templates - however I'd like to thank you for picking me out as rational on your talk page - nice to get a complement :D. And, while I haven't looked at your CP contribs, my first impression of you is that you are also rational--Iduan02:04, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Hey there Iduan. I don't know if we got a chance to "meet" over at CP, but regardless, I think you may of heard of me. I think it's quite civil of you to visit RW and engage in respectful discourse. Tell the "others" that they're welcome, as well. -- Ζωροάστρης  02:12, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Haha, ok will do Hoji - thanks for the welcome--Iduan 02:13, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Welcome to the dark side06:50, 26 November 2007 (EST)
 * Good job with your recent edits. They made so much sense that you were archived before the conversation was finished. (I know because I tried to add my own comments and found out the thread no longer existed.) ;-) Learn Together 03:18, 29 November 2007 (EST)

For what its worth
I would like to applaud you for calling Andy on his - as you wonderfully put it - smart alec remark on the front page. I am not sure how much the accolades of random Rational Wiki types are worth. I'd just like you to know it is something that I wish I could have written (if I wasn't blocked). It is a good thing to occasionally remind Andy about the difference between a blog and an encyclopedia. --Shagie 02:51, 4 December 2007 (EST)
 * Haha, well thanks for the applause - though I hardly view it as an accomplishment - in fact it was perhaps a failure - as the disagreement went unresolved.--Iduan 23:41, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Friendly Advice
I really don't think it's a good idea to stomp the ice. I mean, look what reasoning Andy had behind GregLarson. I decided against posting on WIGO for the better part of any discouraging action taken against you on CP.  Norseman Wassail!   01:00, 12 December 2007 (EST) You could both be right, worshipper + security guard

You're welcome here
Have a ball!- 15:52, 14 January 2008 (EST)


 * We're all pretty sorry about you being repeatedly rebuffed sysop-wise. To tell the truth, you were probably just too reasonable... Uchiha KATON! 00:10, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Hey, but like Ames said, you're welcome here! You're good with templates and technical wiki stuff, right? It's up to you whether you want to stick with wiki business in general, but we would appreciate/could always use the help! Uchiha KATON! 00:11, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Frankly, I don't know what you're complaining about. CollegeRepublican was clearly the most qualified candidate.  In all seriousness, tough break, pal.  Stile4aly 00:14, 15 January 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to turn down the invite. Frankly - and I'm not accusing any of you personally here (in fact, you guys have been great with the support, I do appreciate it) - I think the vast majority of rational wikians are disgusting. Over the past months, ever since I first got an account on here, I've received harassing emails, I've received notices that someone tried to change the password for my account, and I've found out that emails were sent to other users trying to defame me (I've even gotten emails trying to defame other users) - and then all along you all are claiming some moral high ground through pages like WIGO. It's the kind of liberal hypocrisy they talk about on Conservapedia. And also, I'm not even really sure what the point of this site is - there seems to be some divide between those who want to destroy Conservapedia and those who want to be the second Uncyclopedia; and frankly there's just way too much disorder for my taste. I'm also not sure why you would want me given that I don't align politically with any of you - and frankly my presence here would only result in debates. So no, thanks, but I'm not interested--Iduan 01:48, 27 January 2008 (EST)


 * Well... you seem like a pretty good guy, and debates are often fun - but of course it's also fun to contribute to a place you feel you "fit in", so it's understandable if you don't find RW quite to your taste. I'm sorry about the harassing emails and whatnot, that doesn't sound very nice at all... On the note of liberal hypocrisy, though, know that RationalWiki is still pretty much a semi-disorganized mob, so we can't exactly claim responsability for the actions of all users, especially outside the wiki itself. Uchiha KATON! 01:58, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Not that it's any of my business, but may I inquire as to who sent said emails? 02:00, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * I suppose (note: I actually only caught this note by chance, I'm kind of heading to bed now, so do excuse me if I don't respond to any post after this) - I mean the only two harassing emails I got were from some random emails - one i remember was something like imagecko@gmail.com - and the other I've forgotten, however the severity of those emails was enough. And, I got about ... checking now ... 20 emails notifying me that someone had requested a new password for my account - and frankly, even though obviously less serious - it obviously isn't pleasant to have to edit knowing that people are trying to hack into your account, and then do who knows what (and have everyone think it was you). So yeah, it's just been a rough month or two - so excuse my bitterness if you will, but I just feel a lot safer on a site like Conservapedia, where at the very least users seem less ... cold (and again, I fit closer to the CP ideology than the RW ideology anyway).--Iduan 02:06, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Do you know that the harassing emails came from here? What sort of things did they say? It all sounds rather odd.  Would you be prepared to post some of the text?--Bobbing up 03:41, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * With all sincerity, Iduan, I wish you the best. Happy editing, whatever wiki you are on.  -- 05:15, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * That really doesn't sound like any of our regulars. TK, maybe, but none of the usual suspects.  --PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 11:35, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * TK is the first thing I thought of, or maybe one of the trolls like the New Gwenson family who just want to stir up some...excrement. But TK's style is divisive (and often extremely nasty) emails, so it wouldn't surprise me. --Kels 11:37, 27 January 2008 (EST)


 * Looks like you won't be on CP or RW then? A pity (in both cases)! I guess that gives me no other choice but to wish you the best for whatever you do, wherever you do it. Maybe we'll run into each other somewhere; I'm certainly looking forward to it! --Jenkins 11:42, 27 January 2008 (EST)


 * "20 emails notifying me that someone had requested a new password for my account" Not true, it was only 3 or 4 times. *whistles* NightFlareSpeak, mortal 12:13, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Plus mine and it's more like 6 or 7 ... but yeah--Danielfolsom 12:22, 27 January 2008 (EST)

So how do we go from a couple of e-mails from an account with no connection to RW and some e-mail spam that could be created by any random user to the "vast majority of rational wikians are disgusting" comment? Hell of a generalization there. 13:17, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * A willingness to hate? Oh dear, I'm sounding like TK himself now. Anyway, it would be nice to see evidence of these emails, of our 'liberal hypocrisy' - it's so easy to fake stuff on the internet, as I shall demonstrate in the next 5 minutes. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * The above user is posting liberal deceit. Anyway, Iduan, I'm promoting you and Icewedge to adminship!!! Godspeed!!! -ASchlafly 15:42, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * See? Don't trust what someone says they are on the internet. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
 * I can certainly see that. Good thing that Schlafly came by to straighten things out! -- AKjeldsen Godspeed! 15:47, 27 January 2008 (EST)

system emails
"ever since I first got an account on here, I've received harassing emails"

Any email sent via the "email this user" link is clearly identified in the "from" section with the editors username.

While email can be considered private (as opposed to on-wiki posting), simply telling us who the offender was/is might lead to a nifty kangaroo court, or perhaps some hilarious on-wiki hand wringing over appropriateness.

I have also received harassing emails via the RW system, however, the sender was a well known inciter of background dissent so I ignored and deleted them.

Anyway, whether you stick around a bit and enjoy some goat pilaf, or move on to other pursuits, I hope the memory of your discomfort and perhaps maltreatment at CP soon fades. Goatspeed! human  16:10, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Iduan, we went through a nasty bit of purging of a certain Troublesome user; quite a Knot it was; but I like to think that those days are behind us. I'd sure like to get into some kangaroo court fun again with people who may still be harassing you.  I'm sorry you've had a bad experience here, but I think you got the worst of our users. If you stay longer, I'm sure you'd see the best.- 16:57, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Well, Iduan, Ames is of course a lawyer (in-training), so you may not want to interact with him anyways. ;-)  -- 17:06, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * But I'm cute :-( - 17:19, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * You confuse yourself with your cat. And goats. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

I actually don't get it. They abuse you at CP, and yet you stay, and here we're at least open to discussion. CP has always been fairly hostile to many. (Sigh.) Sterilexx 17:48, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Contest advice
Not sure if you're watching this page or not. Make sure you get a sysop on your team... probably Crocoite (for the breaking news, but then he doesn't write any articles - maybe you should let andy have him). Fox might be a good choice - he does a lot of blocking and reverting. Let Andy have Max - see if he gives Max night edit rights but not you, oh wait, Max already has edit rights... that would really suck wouldn't it? Andy giving night edit rights to his team but not the other team (didn't he do that in contest 3? - and he gave it to Max, and Dewey  , and TheGuy  - what a suprise, they were all on his team)   The way it looks, you're the only person who is in this contest who can't edit at night. I wonder if Andy is trying to use his admin power this time around so that he can break his loosing streak. --Shagie 02:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Barack Obama?
I like Barack Obama?Zorro 23:19, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Cronkie, The Onion and Liberals
Should do a search for 'clinton' or 'obama' and see if it still is liberal (go back and read the articles from the '90s for a good time). Its a parody newspaper, just as MAD is. Its not a liberal one. Some fun articles on that -     Citing the Onion for anything is just... well, funny. Its not liberal, its mocking anything that takes itself too seriously. --Shagie
 * Ah, but you forget, only LIBERALS use humor and ridicule! Unlike such sober, serious Conservative figures as Rush Limbaugh. --Gulik 02:41, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Brush Lintball, hehe. human  04:52, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Some Splainin to do
So, what happened? We're dead curious. Stile4aly 15:39, 27 February 2008 (EST)

If the worst thing happens, don't forget you can still obliterate users with your preserved block rights. Too late. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 16:09, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Iduan
I am really and truly sorry that this happened to you. You were one of the good ones over there. 17:28, 27 February 2008 (EST)

The other simple fact (and it is defiantly a fact) is that Andy and his homeschoolers are incapable of writing decent quality material for the site, let alone high quality stuff. Andy's inability to work with people that are frankly smarter and more talented than he is will be why the site never grows. It will simply become filled up with more and more trash like his liberal articles. Trash not even from an ideological stand point, but poorly written, poorly constructed, unsourced, clap trap.

Purge the kool aid and find an outlet that will respect your contributions not seem them as a just offering. 17:39, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Whose writing is bad? DoggedamesP 17:44, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Half the comment went away in an edit conflict, and Andy's writing is atrocious. 17:45, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Whatever, it looks like you can't even write a comprehensible paragraph. DoggedamesP 17:52, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Ignoring some of your actions in the last few week, you were easily saner than any given active CP sysop (and counting those actions, only PJR and CPAdmin can compete). I suggest trying to forget that such place ever existed, it'll be better in the long run. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 17:50, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm used to editing Trent. just move the extra comma from the 2nd paragraph to where it's needed in the 3rd, and delete the "m" from "seem" and it all makes sense.  Trent writes in liberal code . human  17:51, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Timothy Hammersmith
I'm not sure if you're for real, or not. However, last year I pretended to be some nerd from Liberty University, and managed to get Schlafly to Sysop me fairly quickly. Right after, however, he called up the University and found out that little Timmy didn't exist. Boy did he ever flip his shit. Looks like he's got a bit of residual paranoia. --Huey gunna getcha 17:35, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * ZOMG! It's Huey!162.82.215.199 17:36, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Not to mention, Richard, Samwell, MexMax, etc. Hey Huey. 17:40, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Samwell? MexMax?  I've been out of the game for too long...  --Huey gunna getcha 17:43, 27 February 2008 (EST)


 * Samwell, MexMax. --Shagie 17:45, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Deep cover socks that sucked up to Schlafly, got "trusted" rights and then proceeded to tussle his site.
 * He, but you go back so far "Richard" needs no explanation. Hi Huey, hi IDuan.
 * Haha, that's beautiful. Almost brings a tear to my eyes.  --Huey gunna getcha 17:48, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * As long as we dont have to look at your ass-- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 17:50, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Careful what you say, PALMD... Sterilexx 17:51, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Eat my nuts - my ass is clearly the most aesthetically-pleasing set of cheeks that's ever been posted here. --Huey gunna getcha 17:53, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Huey, your hairy, pimply, puffy ass is the only one that's ever been posted here. Unless you count that fine ass Mary Magdalene... human  17:55, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Contest
IDuan (if you're reading?), I didn't follow all the details, but was the "ping pong" format for the last "contest" your idea? Did it work to raise the quality of the work being done? PS, my condolences. human  17:54, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * No it wasn't - and I was able to ignore it (luckily) - since my lead off article allowed me to do almost all that I would've done had it been a normal article. I think that restricting users by saying, 'only edit these articles' ruins the point of the contest - and a wiki. (still bitter) (thanks for the condolences though)--Iduan 17:57, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Debrief
Atten-Hut! We now require a full debriefing please. Intelligence reports? Oh, there are none. Right. Maps? Diagrams? Was anyone at CP ever tortured? I know I was. DogP  17:56, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Torture is TMT's gig. -- [[Image:Asclepius staff.png|8px]]-PalMD -- 18:00, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry, no--Iduan 17:57, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Hehe. Well, anyway, having read your user page now, I think we all appreciate your coming here and posting what you did.  Whatever you do and wherever you go, I hope you are well and happy. human  18:29, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Fair enough. Be well Iduan, and I hope you don't mind if we continue to have a few laughs at CP. You were great, and you defended your positions far more intelligently than the owner of that silly site. Like Human, I wish you the best! <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  18:31, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * As do I, Iduan. You are a good person and a good editor.  I wish you luck in all your future endeavors.  -- 19:09, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Iduan, farewell. You were the one thing holding CP together, and now that you're gone, I expect Andy will realize that soon- 23:54, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Bye Iduan. I supported you. I hope you can find another direction from here. Uchiha KATON! 00:17, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I think we've made it clear that you'd be welcome here, but may I say it again? You could bring balance to the Force.  Be the Zeratul to our Tassadar. - 00:18, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lol, he will be welcome until he has disagrees with one of you. Then you will all gang up on him and make it so intolerable he will just leave.  We've seen it before with just about everyone who didn't drink the rw kool-aid (tk, HoG, ungtss). TmtamesP 00:28, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * TK is not human; bad example. HG was trying to piss us off.  Ungtss I wasn't involved with.- 00:34, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * yah, and what about that guy Bohdan? <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  00:38, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * I heard that he was teased so much that he had to change his name eight times.- 00:44, 28 February 2008 (EST)

SPLUTTER! Bits of food flew out my nose. That was funny. <font color="#00F0A20">DogP  01:13, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * At the risk of somehow confirming Andy's suspicion of you (or whatever it was) I would like to add my best wishes and say if more CP sysops had been like you it would have far more value than just being the deranged inhuman blog of a paranoid narcissist. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]]<font color=Blue>Genghis  Marauding 05:01, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Haha. Thanks for the wishes Khant, and while I won't rule out the possibility that I will someday return (I'm not going to lie, despite my contradicting judgment, I have taken a small amount of time off my "wiki fast" to look at CP and RW recently, the temptation is certainly there), I'll just thank you for your best wishes, for now.--Iduan 00:01, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Please reconsider
your edit summary of this being your last post at CP or RW. I understand that you don't see any point in posting in either site. Still, as much lulz there is here and as intolerant, liberal, atheist some of us we are, my take is that it can be rewarding none-the-less to be active here - or there - both for you and for the innocent kids who happen to stumble into CP. Editor at CPLiar at RP! 13:30, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Hi...
... nice to meet you. After my stay at CP (User:DiEb) - cut short by the premier mathematician Ed Poor - I read your history. Wow. Just wow. And you are still the top 24th contributor to CP!LArron 17:25, 2 January 2009 (EST)


 * So you planning on sticking around? TheoryOfPractice 17:29, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks LArron, good to meet you also. TheoryOfPractice: I haven't really stuck anywhere since I left CP, and I can't really do here what I did on CP; I will most probably just occasionally comment on what I see.--Iduan 18:05, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh, and I some point I may demand to be a sysop ... shh! ;) --Iduan 18:06, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Message from the RationalWiki Ministry of Demotion and Personal Impediment
Lol, seriously? Haha thanks ... I think?--Iduan 18:30, 2 January 2009 (EST)

It hurts to watch
I can understand being a pathetic lickspittle when there's some tangible reward to be got. It makes sense to grovel to people in power when there's something they can do for you that you might actually want. But, see, what you're doing here is helping people who don't have the tiniest bit of personal regard for you and aren't going to give you anything meaningful. The company you're now keeping on the Influential Conservapedians? Yeah, I think you know each of them. They're morons. I just don't understand what your endgame here is when my sockpuppet has more rights than you're likely to get. What are you doing, man? 15:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)