Talk:Nationalism

Liberal nationalist? I must admit that's an interesting concept. But that probably only shows my sheltered upbringing.--Bob's your uncle 14:32, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
 * I can't remember the names now (the class I took was about 5 years ago) but there many in China, in particular, who were extremely nationalistic but wanted to help their "nation" by adopting "advanced Western" techniques of governance--things like a parliament, personal rights, etc. I also *think* that there were some similar nationalists in Korea.  I should try to look some of them up in order to find out their names.Researcher 21:59, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
 * Even dictionaries published in Britain define "nation" as "country". From whence this "popular American usage"? PoorEd 16:03, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I've rewritten the article, but included virtually all of what was there already - just rearranged & expanded. The major problem it had was confusing different types of nationalism, & defining all nationalism as a belief in the superiority of one's nation, when in fact this is only one definition of nationalism (e.g. that of the Nazis) & misrepresents other forms of national struggle (e.g. that of Kurdish nationalism).  w easeLOId ~ 20:01, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Opening articles with quotes
While the idea may be good, the layout begs something. The template used doesn't make in narrower than the rest of the text, and doesn't look very good. Ideas? 10:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Liberal vs. Leftist
I'd used the term liberal quite specifically--these were not people seeking an egalitarian economic state or the death of capitalism, but rather people campaigning for political rights such as the right to vote, representation, and a lack of central control by the imperial family. The liberal nationalists I was writing about were specifically 19th century liberals opposed to the imperial Chinese system. It would be completely wrong to refer to them as "leftists". (Mossadegh *might* qualify, but even then I deeply doubt it.) Researcher (talk) 04:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. I still think "liberal" is a hard term to use specifically in an informal context like this, especially considering our STRONG anti-CP/Andy Schlafly orientation, and what "liberal" means in contemporary US-centric political discourse. P-Foster (talk) 04:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * P-Foster, I'm with you on this (and especially considering the state of our liberal article). Of course, the whole point of bringing it up to begin with is to show that, in some cultures, our ideas of what goes together (conservatives are nationalists, liberals are in favor of some kind of world government) fall apart entirely.  I think, as per my talk page, rewriting the liberal page will do more. Researcher (talk) 12:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Where I live the murdering Basque nationalists who make up ETA are usually communist, or at least strongly anti-capitalist. Having said that they refer to themselves - without any apparent sense of irony - as "nationalist socialists" On the other hand the somewhat more mainstream PNV (Basque nationalist party) has a right-wing Christian ideology.--BobSpring is sprung! 13:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Link to essay?
What's RW's policy (if any) on linking to essays? I ask because I want to link to mine. The article on vegetarianism includes a link to AD's essay on vegetarianism.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 00:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's an interesting essay to link to, so I would support that. Nullahnung (talk) 01:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, mental illness denial links to Essay:Anti-Psychiatry Arguments and Essay:Explaining the fall of Popper; Bayesian links to Essay:Bayesian Inference and the Power of Skepticism; and Neoreactionary movement links to Essay:Abrechnung mit Reaktion.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 05:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have seen essays linked usually either when there's no opposition to it or when there's a compromise between those who want the essay and the others. I think that's what we do here. Nullahnung (talk) 08:35, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Interesting quotes for reference that I can't find a place to put in mainspace (from here):

--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 07:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

A particularly (Anglo?)American usage of nationalism?
I'm struck by the way nationalism/nationalist is used here on RW as it seems to be in the "bad" sense that would probably be better described, I think, as (national) or jingoism. Is this a particular RW thing or a U.S. (UK?) one? The thing is, that I know of plenty of people outside of the Anglosphere who might describe themselves as nationalists in the sense that RW employs patriotism, whereas in these circumstances the word patriot, ironically, seems to be more apt to be used by the extreme nationalists (inverting the good/bad categories and raising the spectre of Samuel Johnson's famous adage about patriotism being "the last refuge of a scoundrel"), though I think that nationalist used in this way might be on the decline as it seems to become more intimately tied to far right/populist (in the sense of anti-elite) right political parties. ScepticWombat (talk) 11:00, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Additional quote?
Illustrates the point quite well, if there is room from one of my favourite films (Network) "You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars." I understand if there isn't room Threadnaught (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Do not get mad at me, but I myself see the mainstream "thinkers" of this generation as more narrow minded than nationalists.
Greetings. I believe nowadays we became too narrow minded to think about any other beliefs than the ones we commonly believe in. We are not immune to propaganda. 217.128.167.152 (talk) 14:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Shut the hell up. 47.148.108.245 (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2020 (UTC)