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Christians, particularly Creationists and presuppositionalists have a strong tendency to claim that God lacks the ability to lie. The claim is explicitly documented in varying places in the Bible, and should be examined because many biblical literalists claim the Bible, as the word of God who cannot lie, disproves evolution and other scientific theories prima facie. Criticism of this doctrine is usually done by showing the strange philosophical and moral consequences it entails.

Biblical claims of divine honesty
The Bible explicitly claims God is unable to lie in the following passages:
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Lack of omnipotence
This proposition simply implies that God is not omnipotent, and raises the question of why deceit would be more difficult than, say, granting arbitrary miracles or creating the universe. And, remember that their version of God is so far above mere human standards as to freely commit mass killings and destruction without blame - why would a little white lie about science be so out of the question?

Arbitrary tests of faith
Creationists in particular has a tendency to put the scientific evidence reality that contradicts scripture as "tests of faith", especially before they have a semi-coherent way of reinterpret the evidence to fit their presupposition. Examples of this include the hypothesis that God created starlight in transit to Earth as one of the solution to the starlight problem. .

The problem with that is best sum up with another section of the same scripture:


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Saint Paul in the epistle said that the nature of God can be known from the things that he created. What morally and philosophically would result from a God who is willing to plant false evidence as test of faith is open to interpretation.

An Additional problem with such deception is why would God need craploads of faith-testing props lying (pun intended) around everywhere? Remember God created everything including whoever planted those faith-testing props, so God is ultimately responsible for the existence of these in one way or another.

Breaking the infinite regress
In presuppositional apologetics, God is claimed to be the solution to the infinite regress the apologist created in epistemology. As a result, it is a necessary condition that their version of God lacks the ability to deceive. the following is an example from Sye Ten Bruggencate:



The problem with such a position is clear: What do you use to check the first piece of information revealed to you (which is the Bible in most cases)? The morton's fork is applied in this case:
 * The choice of not to test the first revelation when it is first revealed to you implies said revelation is indistinguishable between authentic revelation and faith-testing trickery.
 * The choice of having something to test the first revelation against would be, by the fact itself, imply neither the first revelation nor the reference to test things against can possibly be from God.
 * The third choice of testing the first piece of revelation with another revelation means either the argument becomes circular or chain of infinite regress does not end there.

Lying by omission
One interesting dilemma will come to pass given such a rule: is God capable of lying by omission?

For Abrahamic religions, the problem is that the scriptures are written in sequence regardless which religion you are in:
 * For Judaism, the Torah is written before the rest of the Tanakh.
 * For Christianity, the Old Testament is written before the New Testament.
 * For Islam, the Torah, Psalms and the Gospels are all written before the Qur'an.
 * For Mormonism, the The Bible is written before the Book of Mormon.

As such, the argument is that since new contents are introduced (rest of Tanakh, New Testament, Qur'an or Book of Mormon) at each of the religions, the first parts of the scripture are inherently incomplete. Therefore, If the entire body of scripture are to be treated as divine revelations, each of the revelations are themselves incomplete at the time they are given.