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Vodka Eyeballing
Could someone please tell me that vodka eyeballing is just a media invention?--BobSpring is sprung! 14:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not quite as stupid as burning bins and getting high on the fumes. Kids are very very odd. 15:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * doesnt alcohol in the eye sting like crazy ? at least its Canadians Hamster (talk) 15:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You just don't understand us. It's a total rush. We don't have to conform to your societal norms, conformist. Keep your judgments off my body. If I wanted yolkjds'lf fu7u09f Fuck, I just passed out. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The first I saw of this was in Kevin and Perry Go Large. (Ok, ok, so I was in Loughborough in 2000, and there wasn't a great selection of movies on at their fleapit at the time.) I'm sure it was intended as being ridiculous, but there was definitely some vodka eyeballing going on there. Bondurant (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Never actually heard of it in the eye, but we used to snort vodka from time to time. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we get Ace to try this, purely in the interests of science of course? 15:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The articles about this seem to consistently quote scientists as saying that the method if inefficient. I'd doubt the piss artist would be so cavalier with his sauce. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do they use a dropper to drip it in or hold an eyebath (like you get with Optrex)? Even when bypassing first pass metabolism I can't see how you'd get enough into your system. 15:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Young whippersnappers these days. Back in my time we used to drink our liquor, dammit. DickTurpis (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * From the videos I've seen on the news, they seem to just put their eye on the mouth of the bottle, tip it back and let the good times roll. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ridiculous. Everyone knows the most efficient method of taking in vodka is to inject it directly into the brain, and pinch the carotic artery so that it doesn't escape into the rest of the body. ONE / TALK 16:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I propose that we ask Ace to try pouring it into his ear and report on the result.--BobSpring is sprung! 20:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Ace, you've been conscripted. You may use rum or whisky in vodka's stead, if you so choose (don't waste the good stuff though). We expect a full report by Sunday. DickTurpis (talk) 20:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I could never resist a challenge. I'll try it tonight, with someone watching on skype so you know I have done so. Acei9 20:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see the headline now "Local Man Dies From Aural Alcohol Intake While Sadists Watch and Laugh Live Via Internet" (a bit long for a headline, I suppose), I volunteer to be said sadist. Let me know when you'll be on skype (EDT time please, not your backwards, antipodal day-is-night time scheme). DickTurpis (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll have to use gin. Acei9 21:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Here's a guy with a beard using a neti pot for coffee and whiskey. These eyeball kids are lame. Ethanol nasal irrigation is hardcore. Corry (talk) 02:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Church shoos away girl raped by member
My faith slipped yet another notch--Thanatos (talk) 23:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * CBS article. Shoot me now, please. --Sid (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You've certainly got to hand it to the church. They may not obey the letter of the law in having the rape victim stoned to death, but you can't accuse them of ignoring the spirit. -- 04:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's the most disgusting thing I have ever heard. Day by day, I grow more cynical about this world, and this is one of the reasons why. Almost makes me wanna go and puke and piss all over that church in response. 04:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've not seen Uygur that pissed off... well, almost ever. 06:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Phelps? Any relation to Fred perchance? 10:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That was actually my first response too.--Thanatos (talk) 02:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ion clocks show relativistic effects at small scales - real or a complex joke ?
Its really sad when things get to the point that I cant tell a real science item from a joke, so what do people think ? HERE Hamster (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's all in the closing paragraph, it's nothing that wasn't known. It's just a case that the instruments are now sensitive enough to detect the phenomena at levels that we previously thought we'd not be able to observe them at. Although if you're talking about that fourth post, the one about "what if there's a difference between a real clock and a biological clock" that has to be a joke, surely... 19:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * its more the phrases "The ions are held in small traps using radio-frequency fields to confine them, and the motion of the ions is very precisely controlled" that leave me going WTF ? I am old enough that black and white tube type tv's were typical when I was a teenager. Stuff like this is like tuning in the scifi channel. Hamster (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess such things depend in part on one's perspective: it's certainly impressive that they're able to build atomic clocks which are quite so accurate, but the basic idea (i.e. ion traps) is relatively run-of-the-mill - the inventors of such things won the Nobel Prize over 20 years ago, and so they almost certainly developed it quite some time before. alt (talk) 22:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It sounds reasonably plausible to me. They've been doing this kind of things with lasers for years, though I guess for reasons of being able to detect the results they had to use some other part of spectrum to control the ions here. I've never heard of RF being used for this purpose, but if you can do it with light then why not other parts of the spectrum? -- 22:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The RF comes into it because they use a Paul Trap to ensure the ions (Al+ in this case) don't move. They still use lasers to excite the ions. So far as I can tell (as I'm not an expert), this work has two main changes from earlier clocks: they've built a higher quality ion trap, and they're able to cool the ions more effectively by changing some of the atoms used. The key to making these things accurate is to make sure the ions don't move about, because the frequency they oscillate at (i.e., the speed of the clock) depends upon the electric fields present. If the ions are moving around (because they're hot, or your trap's not good enough) the electric fields aren't well-defined. alt (talk) 23:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've worked with rudimentary ion traps on some mass spectrometers and they're practically magic to me. Certainly holding them still is a very important part because you're trying to precisely measure frequencies emitted by these things, and if they're moving you're going to at least get a lot of Doppler broadening - i.e., some are moving towards your detector and some are moving away, so the frequencies you observe are blue and red shifted respectively. But still, to get it this precise is amazingly impressive, the feedback controls to keep a normal atomic clock functioning are quite complicated so to keep these things synced up must be orders of magnitude higher. Anyway, I think its quite a good example of how even when you have some good scientific knowledge, you can still be impressed by the abilities of the specialists! 01:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh absolutely. I'm just interested that the bit Hamster thought sounded Sci-Fi was the idea of using electric fields to manipulate charged particles, and didn't comment on the fact that, for example, I'm aging at a different rate to my housemates simply by virtue of me living in the attic. alt (talk) 09:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They're sscillating magnetic and electric fields... I suppose it could sound a little sci-fi if you've never experienced ion trap technology. But I think the difference between what sounds sci-fi and what doesn't is the technology, not the phenomena we describe. Quantum theory doesn't sound sci-fi, but using it to teleport things does. 11:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * when I read ions trapped by radio frequency... I flashed on EE Doc Smiths Skylark of Space series. Hamster (talk) 03:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

One Trillion Dollars spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-zerkel/1-trillion-for-wars-makes_b_589262.html Well, mission accomplished I guess.Ryantherebel (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a sucker for base-10 milestones. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought we burnt through that long ago. I guess it depends on whose accountants one is using?  11:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Best Conservative Rock Anthems
This is funny because it's not on Conservapedia. But what HolyTaco.com is to CP:Worst College Majors this list will be to CP:Best Conservative Rock Music. I'm posting the Wonkette link because 1) the actual list was written in May 2006, an oversight on Wonkette's part and the likely reason why it has not yet made it on CP yet; and 2) the comments are funny. Who knew that The Who and The Clash would become conservative icons, or that the anti-Vietnam song "Who'll Stop the Rain?" would resonate with conservatives today? --Leotardo (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The list. Whacked.  Seriously whacked.  Reads more like a list of "what we are whining against" than anything else.  11:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have trouble figuring out the point of these kinds of things, whether it be deciding some word from 1580 is "conservative" or that "Walk Like an Egyptian" was an anti-terrorist anthem. What does it really achieve outside of bizarre rah-rah-boosterism?  I realize there aren't many conservative artists (who are actually good at their craft), and that if conservatives want to make the whole world a dichotomy they'd have to include Winterband in their "CP:Great Conservative Rock Bands. Ever", but still: is this really an effective use of brain power?  I think a lot of people would be more swayed by a conservative who was able to be as effective, artistically, as Lady Gaga, then by conservatives in another twenty years saying "Bad Romance" was all about America's relationship with Obama, or whoever is the loathed liberal of the moment.  --Leotardo (talk) 15:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

US citizen killed in Israeli raids on flotilla
Fox News readers cheer. EddyP (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, but don't you see? He wasn't born in America to American parents, so he wasn't American. 19:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * First, the people of that area of the world have never been peaceful. They have been butchering each other over trivialities since the begining of time. Israel has been the light of civilization in the area since it was founded.
 * NNURGH! *facemelts from stupid* I don't understand how people can even comment like this!  No one can be THAT retarded!  -- 23:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I skimmed some of the Old Testament - a book they wrote about themselves - and it seems to imply the reason the Israelites survived was by massacring every other tribe they encountered. 04:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Wherein even "liberal" Christians annoy me on occasion
This latest post on the slacktivist blog really got my goat. When you are accused of hypocrisy, it seems to me a really dick move to retort "Oh yeah? Well, you're a hypocrite too!" Even if you're actually right. The whole attempt at misdirection on how many times the bible talks about homosexuality is a very obvious diversionary tactic. How many times exactly does the all powerful creator of the universe have to say a thing before you take it seriously?

I guess I just don't understand how you can possibly make the connection that the Bible is an anthology written by men, not a divinity, and that it addresses obviously primitive concerns and must therefore be filtered through the sieve of human reason before applying anything that it says to your life but then fail to recognise the obvious corollary that since this is all that it is possible to know about what the Christian god wants us to do, one should not be a Christian. Fancy interpretative footwork does not get you around the plain, and often horribly immoral, teachings in the good book. -- 22:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So I'm chatting on skypy with fans of Mike Malloy last night and we're talking aliens coming to earth and this guy starts quoting the Bible to me, to "prove" the case. So I start reading at Genesis 1:1.  A history book?  Freak out.  11:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Democracy NOW!
I was browsing around for more podcasts when I saw this one. Anybody familiar with Democracy NOW!? Does it have any noticable leanings in either direction? -- Ravenhull (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They've been around for at least a decade and a half. U.S. program.  Very left wing, and not beholden to the U.S. Democratic Party, closer to the Ralph Nader or Alexander Cockburn kind of left.  I haven't heard it in ages though. Secret Squirrel (talk) 01:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a regular watcher/reader/listener of DN. Slanted pretty much as far to the left as you can get in America. They sometimes are a little knee-jerk, as is any media outlet that is shaped by a political ideology--as in all of them...The difference here is that DN makes no facile claims to "objectivity," as if such a thing were possible. What they do well is to give a voice to opinions and analyses that would never make it into corporate media--whether you agree or disagree with those opinions and analyses, it's hard to argue that that isn't a good thing. P-Foster (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify - not beholden to the U.S. Democratic Party = a GOOD thing imo. To the extent that there is a (responsible, not lunatic) left independent of the Democrats and a (responsible, not lunatic) conservatism independent of the Republicans, they can only be good things. The Democratic Party left and the Republican Party right are just entrenched interest groups playing a permanent game of 'gotcha politics'. Secret Squirrel (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * With ya there, Messieur Rodential One. 11:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

WHO [sic] can you trust?
Scientists who drew up the key World Health Organisation guidelines advising governments to stockpile drugs in the event of a flu pandemic had previously been paid by drug companies which stood to profit, according to a report out today. 03:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. But this New Scientist article seems to have a different idea.--BobSpring is sprung! 06:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems a bit vague. If employing an expert in a field like this, it's difficult to imagine that they'd have spent an entire career entirely isolated in academia. I'd be more concerned if they were, at the time of producing the report, had a direct tie to a company benefiting from their recommendations. Whether they were right or wrong to suggest stockpiling has to be judged on a sensible estimate of the risk of not responding as they did. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 11:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * An outright hoax, doubtful. That there was a real risk and some recommendations were swayed in the direction of some companies rather than others to the tune of a couple of billion, quite plausible. 12:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey bartender!
Get me a white soviet. Rational Whacker (talk) 04:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you mistake one of us for your friendly underage bartender, CUR? Anyway, belatedly, here's your poison. Have some White China on me.  11:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, now for some white cuban and some white cambodian. I love communism, why the fuck these CONservatives hate it so much?
 * Because it usually winds up causing horrific death tolls and unimaginable pain and suffering to millions of people. 15:36, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yay, dead people!!! I'm drunk right now if you're wondering and I probably better go sober up before I fuck up. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * the Soviet weren't real communist, and only Stalin killed that much people.Waronstupidity (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

U.S. Army Combatives
So my last weigh in told me the Army thinks I'm overweight. My last Physical Fitness test tells me I'm barely fit. I decided to do something about it. Last week I started going to the gym in earnest on a CrossFit regimen, but I quickly started to lose motivation because to get there before it's full up of guys on profile pretending to work out I have to hit it when the doors open at 0530. That gives me an hour before the wasters show up.

ANYWAY, I started to lose motivation because I don't have a partner and I have to be there so early and my only goal was "Get fit", which is kind of hard to get pumped about. So I set another goal. My neighbor placed second in the heavyweight class during the Post Open combatives tournament last month and I thought to myself: "Self, I think not getting turned into a red smear on the canvas in next year's tournament would be a hell of a motivator."

So I talked to him about it and he said I should talk to the combatives guys at the fighthouse at lunch. They were pretty welcoming and I did my first session with them today. BADLY. So badly, in fact, that the only positive thing said to me during the hour-long session was along the lines of: "If you stick with this and come back every day, you're going to be an excellent example of the progression from an overweight, uncoordinated, weakling piece of shit into a competent fighter."

I have a long way to go. The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hand-to-hand combat? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 18:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretty much. It's what the Army uses now. It combines grappling, boxing and mixed martial arts. It was actually pretty motivating afterwards, in spite of the fact that my stance sucks, I suck at kicking, I suck at punching, and the Women's Middleweight winner from the last tournament had me pinned and choked me out in less than 10 seconds. I have to work on stance and stepping over the weekend (and for weeks to come) but I'm in the classes because I want the techniques. The strength and coordination will come in time. I can't wait until Monday! The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would recommend following the tips of Northern Ireland's premier mixed martial artist, this is not a guy you'd like to mess with! 00:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

We needs an article
"Babywise," or "Growing Kids God's Way." any folks here--maybe someone who has succesfully reproduced--know anything about this? P-Foster (talk) 00:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "-maybe someone who has successfully reproduced". Erm reproduction usually involves getting a shag, so you'll be lucky to find anyone on here who fits that bill. 01:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I shag frequently but have not considered repoducing yet. Acei9 01:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * MA-CHEEEEEEESE-MO - David Gerard (talk) 01:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * When our own genetic experiment was in the vat, my born-again mother sent us a DVD that I think may have been "BabyWise". We never watched it and I have no idea where it is, if anywhere. But hmm. - David Gerard (talk) 01:13, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A Facebook friend "liked" a group that opposes Babywise, a few clicks of the moose brought me to their site...P-Foster (talk) 01:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gary and Anne Marie's family seem to consist of a poodle. 01:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * We too found it particularly inspirational that the main photo on the website for their "parenting ministry" showed a picture of their fucking dog - David Gerard (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * "most professionals in the pediatric, breastfeeding and child development communities vehemently oppose Ezzo's methods," 01:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

Loya Jirga, pt 94
Although no term limits were ever set on Loya jirga elections, three months was the time that was mentioned most frequently by those who cared. Those three months are now up. Who wants to have another election? This might be a good time as one or two members have already left, and I will soon (moving house in a few weeks and my internet access doesn't come with me). So... new elections or keep calm and carry on? Totnesmartin (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The who? But seriously, I've seen the LJ thing do sweet fuck all, even when I'd say it could have popped its head up and said "hi" so if you want to reopen nominations and vote for new members, I doubt I'd notice. 16:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Three months was the least unpolular, but really it's had nothing to do. just the existence of it has kind of kept people onside. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Such is the power of the Lethargic Jerboa, people fear to cross it. EddyP (talk) 16:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't see any advantage in lengthy & distracting elections again at this point. How about if a Loya Jirga lasts until three months after its first actual involvement rather than just three months from being elected?  17:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a sensible idea. We'd better bury it in the archives before anyone notices. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There goes my plan to sell my vote to the highest bidder. -- PsyGremlin  18:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * How about any given lasts until it does something, and then is immediately replaced (like, within a week - ten days or so that it takes us to "vote")?  20:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn. These next two months are my "farewell tour" before I start school again, and I was hoping to be elected to the Lloya Jirga before it was up  : (   21:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's kind of fiddly. The Linguini Jerker is pretty much a "in case of emergency break glass" thing, and we haven't really had a serious HCM inducing event. I reckon three months is just way too short. May six months? We could say three months from the moment they do something big, but that seems to be just a clever way of getting around the original three month limit. Mind you, the clever may be a way to get this done without risking a people getting annoyed about their wiki being borked. --[[Image:Concrnedresident logo.png|140px|link=User:Concernedresident|Concernedresident|baseline]]Ask me about our random string of characters 01:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If two have left (one was replaced?) and Martin is gonna have to retire, surely that opens up a chance for RA to be elected to an empty seat? 01:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Seconding the idea we should have a simple by-election...P-Foster (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So let's do it! Totnesmartin (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to type something in that edit box in order for people to know what the hell it's about. But you knew that, MigratedMartin.  03:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking RA would do it, he wanted the job. Looks like he doesn't care after all...or anyone else for that matter. Totnesmartin (talk) 06:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I care!  00:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How about this fucking idiot.....
Palin, of course, on Israel and the Oil Spill. She makes Rob Smith look like genius. Acei9 01:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[image:Doh.gif]]While I don't pretend to know everything about it, I'm pretty sure that if there's a growing "anti-Israel chorus", then it's probably for a good reason. 06:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Its the drilling that bothers me. "The offshore drilling is a disaster! To solve this, we'll drill somewhere else". Acei9 06:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That part is incredibly intellectually dishonest. The conservative line on this one goes, "If it hadn't been for you damn environmentalists, we wouldn't have been drilling there."  But even a moment's thought makes one think, "Really?  So if ANWR had been open, they wouldn't be drilling in other known locations?  There's a limit to how much profit they want to make?"  Obviously, drilling is not a finite quantity.  If ANWR was open, they'd be drilling there as well.-- 07:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can faintly remember a time when politicians who wanted to sound off on the issues of the day published op-eds in reputable newspapers that needed to meet certain quality standards. Nowadays, a columnist for a gossip paper who's completely clueless about the situation becomes the source for a wannabe politician whose lack of knowledge about, well, anything has never stopped her from making grandstanding statements, and finally, a neocon propaganda rag publishes the latter's nonsensical facebook post verbatim. Yeah, that's how you conduct an intelligent debate about complicated issues. Röstigraben (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Whilst I was completely with her on the first paragraph of her flotilla screed - "Don't believe everything in the media" is a good mantra - she kind of lost me then. I am certainly NOT pro-Palestein (whatever that means), but I struggle to understand why the right in the US love Israel so much.  As for the Drill Baby, Drill nonsense, the levels of stupidity and/or dishonesty are staggering.  It's one thing from a backwater blogger like Rob, but from a prominent 'politician'?  Has anyone heard a conservative say "we were all for offshore drilling, but now we understand why people were concerned"?  How they continue to completely back-track on their DBD stances and blame environmentalists/liberals/atheistsjust you wait is even more dishonest than what we get from our own undistinguished politcos over here.  13:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pro-Palestinian means that you support the Palestinian State's right to exist. In exactly the same way that the peace negotiators are trying to get Hamas to sign-up to the idea that Israel has a right to exist, a pro-Palestine stance means that you believe that Israel should sign up to a binding declaration that Palestine as a state and sovereign country has a right to exist, with an equal footing to Israel, including having Jerusalem as a shared capital between the two countries.  The actual odds of Israel ever formally adopting the idea that Palestine as a state has the right to exist and actually sticking to that declaration–none.  The Israeli political establishment doesn't want Palestine to exist any more than Hamas wants Israel to exist, hence perpetual conflict in the Middle East.
 * "Don't believe everything in the media", yes, good start. Next line, "Like what I just said" or "Instead, believe my lies".  02:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * She is truly an embarrassment. 02:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What you're missing is there is a ready market for this stuff; look at the comments of Ed Schultz & Mike Malloy, two regular stand-ins for Sen. cp:Al Franken's cp:Air America:
 * ''I really believe that what is happening in the Gulf is a classic of how we do need campaign finance reform. (See:cp:Gulf oil spill disaster).
 * Eric Holder, another cp:corporatist [read "fascist"], who is going to do the Devil’s work now and pretend that he is conducting a criminal investigation into the events that led to the oil gush   nobsdon't bother me 01:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * -- Acei9 01:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Rob, Big Red Ed was never on AAR. Malloy had his own show, until shown the door.  Al did not own AAR, he had a show on the network until he moved home to MN to run for the Senate.  But the way you put it is much more imaginative.  02:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Earlobing Gin
Never mind Eyeballing Vodka, try earlobing Gin. The newest craze...(thanks to Nutty Roux for capturing history in action..)...Acei9 07:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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 * Now that's machismo that even Ken and/or Andy could be proud of! 07:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, but does it have macheesemo? Rodlen (talk) 07:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Was this really a good idea though? DickTurpis (talk) 07:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And when do you publish your results? Did you use a control? Water in the other ear, perhaps? I am going to hold you to high academic standards here. DickTurpis (talk) 07:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Moreover, I doubt that Ace would have been sober enough for us to reliably measure the inebriating effects of aural alcohol intake. MARCVS ANTONIVS 07:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sir, you are a god to me. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 10:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Any good experiment should be repeated several times to expunge any outliers. Hurry up Ace, that paper aint gonna publish itself. ONE / TALK 11:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should be told of any psychological changes which the subject experienced.--BobSpring is sprung! 12:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I got a nice bottle of Single Malt last night. Which orifice should I be using?  12:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's anything other than the mouth, then you may as well use Tesco Value Scotch. I'd be happy to give that single malt a home... Bondurant (talk) 12:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Whoever the guy is in the picture, he's pretty cute. Yay cute liberals! --Leotardo (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What about cute moderates? Rational Whacker (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh Ace McWicked is our official unkempt eye-candy. Between is rugged good looks and undeniable machismo he is the spearhead of our new promotional campaign to attract more ladies to the site. Look for this face on billboards across the country this summer. DickTurpis (talk) 15:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now you've said that, I'm tempted to print off pictures of Ace and run around town posting them up with the RW logo. Then again, it might attract less intellectual people to the site and engulf us in social networking and low-brow humour. 16:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We should have a RW beauty contest so I can win. Acei9 23:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Beauty" contest? Man, you just lost, like, 20,000 machismo points. DickTurpis (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bebo una botella de 337 esta noche. No tiene las fotos.  Šţěŗĭļė 03:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sending hate mail to the bitch cheerleader's school
As I was gonna point out last night when the server crashed, did anybody notice that the bitch's stupid rickroll seems to expose where she goes to school? East Washington U? Think it's actually her school? Anyone think sending her school some of the same shit she's been giving us is a good idea? Rational Whacker (talk) 15:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No. 15:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * NO. We are not a troll site. MARCVS ANTONIVS 15:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So then where does her IP come from? DDoS possible? Told you all, imma dick. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fucking hell no. Fucks sake. Are you insane? 15:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course, what I mean to say is do it by all means, but do it on your terms, in your time and under your name, rather than hiding behind the RationalWiki name when you do it. 15:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No I told you, I'm drunk. I think I'm high on something to. Rational Whacker (talk)
 * Go away. The grown-ups are talking. P-Foster (talk) 15:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll do it in the name of TK lol. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind our policy regarding how personal information is disclosed. Even cheerleaders have rights, and anything you find by Googling around should be carefully considered before posting it on RW. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 15:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheerleaders have "rights" and we have "lefts" because we have a brain. Oh look at the pretty logo! I'll continue this next week and hopefully I can remember my real name and first initial so I log in. Hasta La Vista! Rational Whacker (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh wait I thought I was being a dick on CP. Good night everybody! Rational Whacker (talk) 15:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Obtaining and posting this type of information is frowned upon in our community standards.--BobSpring is sprung! 15:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it just me or is this turning surreal?!? 16:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can find surreal about it is the fact that he's being taken seriously. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's tricky. I don't think they're serious, but it's better to err on the side of caution and roll out the friendly warnings. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 16:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was hopeful after responding with a blunt "no," that would be sufficient for people to ignore this thread and not entertain the poster with further comments. Apparently I was mistaken. 16:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * IMO, it smacked of Human. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know/care about the sock accounts here and their identities. Apart from one or two, yours being one of them NU. 17:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was saying your blunt response smacked of human. Which of my sawks do you care about? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh right, I thought you meant it was Human posting about the bitch cheerleader. What a hilarious misunderstanding. I'm going with the general assumption that you're MC/friends with him, not that it's my business. 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Me being MC is illogical, but I'd be willing to consider any and all evidence. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please don't. This meme is tiresome & basically feeding the troll.   17:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What meme? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretending that you & MarcusCicero are the same person. Tedious.   17:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I hate Cheerleader. Waronstupidity (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I love lamp. But who Neveruse is or isn't isn't my business or of interest to me. I want not approve on it. I think polite post. 17:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Would someone please explain to me what the heck is going on here? This is the second mention of cheerleader-related HCMs I've heard, and I would like to know that the heck everyone is talking about. 21:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Time for another non-sequitur thread
I spilt beer on my alarm clock a few weeks ago and I'm afraid to plug it back in for fear of electrocuting myself and burning the house down. It's 1997 all over again... 15:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It should have dried out by now, surely. 15:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The main worry I would have is that the dried remnants of the beer could cause overheating or a short, but then that seems only likely if you poured a pretty serious amount in to the thing. Maybe plug it in out in the garden and let it run for a few hours? Failing that, sell it at a car boot sale and then check the local newspapers over the coming months to see if the coroner has confirmed any reports of death by alarm clock. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 16:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * At which point we oversight that comment just in case the investigation leads back here... 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do Britain's atheistic building codes not require ground fault circuit interrupters? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * New builds certainly do, and old ones are required to be upgraded. Trouble is lots and lots of the buildings in use here are old, particularly the sort of accomodation poor students live in, and buildings rented to poor students tend to have the sort of landlords who ignore minor details like the laws concerning health and safety. (Calling the Health and Safety Executive on your landlord when you've finally reached a state of total war and would quite like to break your lease is deeply emotionally satisfying.) - David Gerard (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I imagine SJ is caught in a vicious cycle by this spillage... no alarm clock -> no job -> no GFCI outlets -> no alarm clock... &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It will be fine by now marra - besides, an alarm clock will be a class II (double insulated) appliance, so there's no risk of electric shock. (As to GFCIs, or Residual Current Devices as we call them, since the 17th edition of the wiring regs BS7671 came in to force in 2008, pretty much everything needs to be RCD protected at 30mA, but the regs are not retrospective). 22:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My alarm clock is completely uninsulated and without any possibility of electric shock. I just wind it up. 07:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I used to have one of those. Then I dropped it, knocking the face plate akimbo, so it was always rang twenty minutes off.   21:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a long thread on Consumerist about just this sort of thing. The best advice is dip it in some distilled water first (to rinse off anything that's dried onto the electronics) and then stick it in a container of uncooked rice for a few hours (to suck the moisture out).   21:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

And another non-sequitur
Don't you just hate it when you try to drink something (like tea) and because for some reason you're expecting - possibly just subconsciously - to taste something else, like lemonade, so it makes you think it tastes gawdawful and then you spit it out and everyone looks at you like you're insane... 15:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Though in fairness, I think this tea is tasting a little funky so might need to check the date on the milk... 15:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember once my friends dad went into a convenience store and got us the "cherry coke" we wanted from the soda fountain. He didn't tell us until we'd finished that they were out of cherry and it was regular coke. Blew our fucking minds, man. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't check the date, just smell the milk. Those dates are nonsense. The nose doesn't lie.-- 16:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Akabusi is wise. The actual date varies quite a bit, depending on how long the milk has been open and the quality of the fridge. Only downside to the sniff method is that the dried milk around the cap may smell a bit sour even if the milk itself is fine. I love milk and I dedicate a lot of time to understanding and drinking it. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 16:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Whenever I smell check milk, it always smells bad. I go by taste. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you go by smell pour it into a glass first. The crusty bits around the mouth of the carton can have a discernible odor the milk itself doesn't have. DickTurpis (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what I hate? When you're pouring what you expect to be gin in your ear, but it turns out you got the bottles wrong an it's actually flat Sprite. Bad scene, man, bad scene. DickTurpis (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why we're all here. We provide support in times of woe. I'm sorry to hear about the Sprite problem, but I know you're strong enough to get "back on the horse" and return to pouring top shelf booze in to your ear holes. Tried pouring advocaat in your ear? It's booze, but it's a bit like milk. Best of both worlds. -- ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 16:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (EC) As a man whose gin comes in large, plastic bottles, I can relate to that. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Pretty easy to tell when the milk in your tea has turned. Just look and see if it's formed little particles on the surface when you pour it in, rather than just dispersing. If so, toss it out even if it does smell okay. --Kels (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I recommend Cravendale or Tesco's Pure milk. It is superfiltered to remove most of the bacteria and lasts a lot longer than the regular stuff. 07:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Cosmos, Carl Sagan, and BP
How fitting- I was just watching an old "Cosmos" episode in which Sagan showed footage of the Valdez catastrophe. I wonder what he'd say about the choice he posited in 1980 now that billions and billions of gallons of oil flood are flooding into the Gulf: "Our generation must choose. Which do we value more, short-term profits or the long-term habitability of our planetary home?" Corry (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Short term profits, please! But seriously, people will choose that. 15:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hee!
via PZ 20:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw that in my newspaper a day or so ago. But I wasn't too surprised - I already lost faith in "Dear Abby" when she suggested to someone that they take a picture of their kids every morning so that they have an updated photo to show the cops in the event that their kids get abducted. 21:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I lost faith in her when I found out that the picture she's been using is twenty years old.  21:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! I never new that. Interesting. It really puts the columns where she gives self-confidence advice in a new light. 21:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ayn Landers - David Gerard (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What's really cool is taking a pic once a week or so of your kid, then when they're like, 18 or 20 putting them together as a video and watching them grow. A bit more on the "positive thinking" side than obsessing over possible abduction (although preparedness is a good thing). --Kels (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Dealing with trolls
We are trying to hammer out our policy regarding trolls on the Community Standards talk page. 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is it so easy to parody Palin?
I always said she was a tv personality--Thanatos (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Loya Jirga, pt 94
Although no term limits were ever set on Loya jirga elections, three months was the time that was mentioned most frequently by those who cared. Those three months are now up. Who wants to have another election? This might be a good time as one or two members have already left, and I will soon (moving house in a few weeks and my internet access doesn't come with me). So... new elections or keep calm and carry on? Totnesmartin (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The who? But seriously, I've seen the LJ thing do sweet fuck all, even when I'd say it could have popped its head up and said "hi" so if you want to reopen nominations and vote for new members, I doubt I'd notice. 16:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Three months was the least unpolular, but really it's had nothing to do. just the existence of it has kind of kept people onside. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Such is the power of the Lethargic Jerboa, people fear to cross it. EddyP (talk) 16:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't see any advantage in lengthy & distracting elections again at this point. How about if a Loya Jirga lasts until three months after its first actual involvement rather than just three months from being elected?  17:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a sensible idea. We'd better bury it in the archives before anyone notices. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There goes my plan to sell my vote to the highest bidder. -- PsyGremlin  18:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * How about any given lasts until it does something, and then is immediately replaced (like, within a week - ten days or so that it takes us to "vote")?  20:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn. These next two months are my "farewell tour" before I start school again, and I was hoping to be elected to the Lloya Jirga before it was up  : (   21:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's kind of fiddly. The Linguini Jerker is pretty much a "in case of emergency break glass" thing, and we haven't really had a serious HCM inducing event. I reckon three months is just way too short. May six months? We could say three months from the moment they do something big, but that seems to be just a clever way of getting around the original three month limit. Mind you, the clever may be a way to get this done without risking a people getting annoyed about their wiki being borked. --[[Image:Concrnedresident logo.png|140px|link=User:Concernedresident|Concernedresident|baseline]]Ask me about our random string of characters 01:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If two have left (one was replaced?) and Martin is gonna have to retire, surely that opens up a chance for RA to be elected to an empty seat? 01:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Seconding the idea we should have a simple by-election...P-Foster (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So let's do it! Totnesmartin (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to type something in that edit box in order for people to know what the hell it's about. But you knew that, MigratedMartin.  03:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking RA would do it, he wanted the job. Looks like he doesn't care after all...or anyone else for that matter. Totnesmartin (talk) 06:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I care!  00:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How about this fucking idiot.....
Palin, of course, on Israel and the Oil Spill. She makes Rob Smith look like genius. Acei9 01:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[image:Doh.gif]]While I don't pretend to know everything about it, I'm pretty sure that if there's a growing "anti-Israel chorus", then it's probably for a good reason. 06:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Its the drilling that bothers me. "The offshore drilling is a disaster! To solve this, we'll drill somewhere else". Acei9 06:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That part is incredibly intellectually dishonest. The conservative line on this one goes, "If it hadn't been for you damn environmentalists, we wouldn't have been drilling there."  But even a moment's thought makes one think, "Really?  So if ANWR had been open, they wouldn't be drilling in other known locations?  There's a limit to how much profit they want to make?"  Obviously, drilling is not a finite quantity.  If ANWR was open, they'd be drilling there as well.-- 07:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can faintly remember a time when politicians who wanted to sound off on the issues of the day published op-eds in reputable newspapers that needed to meet certain quality standards. Nowadays, a columnist for a gossip paper who's completely clueless about the situation becomes the source for a wannabe politician whose lack of knowledge about, well, anything has never stopped her from making grandstanding statements, and finally, a neocon propaganda rag publishes the latter's nonsensical facebook post verbatim. Yeah, that's how you conduct an intelligent debate about complicated issues. Röstigraben (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Whilst I was completely with her on the first paragraph of her flotilla screed - "Don't believe everything in the media" is a good mantra - she kind of lost me then. I am certainly NOT pro-Palestein (whatever that means), but I struggle to understand why the right in the US love Israel so much.  As for the Drill Baby, Drill nonsense, the levels of stupidity and/or dishonesty are staggering.  It's one thing from a backwater blogger like Rob, but from a prominent 'politician'?  Has anyone heard a conservative say "we were all for offshore drilling, but now we understand why people were concerned"?  How they continue to completely back-track on their DBD stances and blame environmentalists/liberals/atheistsjust you wait is even more dishonest than what we get from our own undistinguished politcos over here.  13:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pro-Palestinian means that you support the Palestinian State's right to exist. In exactly the same way that the peace negotiators are trying to get Hamas to sign-up to the idea that Israel has a right to exist, a pro-Palestine stance means that you believe that Israel should sign up to a binding declaration that Palestine as a state and sovereign country has a right to exist, with an equal footing to Israel, including having Jerusalem as a shared capital between the two countries.  The actual odds of Israel ever formally adopting the idea that Palestine as a state has the right to exist and actually sticking to that declaration–none.  The Israeli political establishment doesn't want Palestine to exist any more than Hamas wants Israel to exist, hence perpetual conflict in the Middle East.
 * "Don't believe everything in the media", yes, good start. Next line, "Like what I just said" or "Instead, believe my lies".  02:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * She is truly an embarrassment. 02:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What you're missing is there is a ready market for this stuff; look at the comments of Ed Schultz & Mike Malloy, two regular stand-ins for Sen. cp:Al Franken's cp:Air America:
 * ''I really believe that what is happening in the Gulf is a classic of how we do need campaign finance reform. (See:cp:Gulf oil spill disaster).
 * Eric Holder, another cp:corporatist [read "fascist"], who is going to do the Devil’s work now and pretend that he is conducting a criminal investigation into the events that led to the oil gush   nobsdon't bother me 01:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * -- Acei9 01:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Rob, Big Red Ed was never on AAR. Malloy had his own show, until shown the door.  Al did not own AAR, he had a show on the network until he moved home to MN to run for the Senate.  But the way you put it is much more imaginative.  02:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Earlobing Gin
Never mind Eyeballing Vodka, try earlobing Gin. The newest craze...(thanks to Nutty Roux for capturing history in action..)...Acei9 07:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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 * Now that's machismo that even Ken and/or Andy could be proud of! 07:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, but does it have macheesemo? Rodlen (talk) 07:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Was this really a good idea though? DickTurpis (talk) 07:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And when do you publish your results? Did you use a control? Water in the other ear, perhaps? I am going to hold you to high academic standards here. DickTurpis (talk) 07:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Moreover, I doubt that Ace would have been sober enough for us to reliably measure the inebriating effects of aural alcohol intake. MARCVS ANTONIVS 07:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sir, you are a god to me. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 10:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Any good experiment should be repeated several times to expunge any outliers. Hurry up Ace, that paper aint gonna publish itself. ONE / TALK 11:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should be told of any psychological changes which the subject experienced.--BobSpring is sprung! 12:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I got a nice bottle of Single Malt last night. Which orifice should I be using?  12:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's anything other than the mouth, then you may as well use Tesco Value Scotch. I'd be happy to give that single malt a home... Bondurant (talk) 12:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Whoever the guy is in the picture, he's pretty cute. Yay cute liberals! --Leotardo (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What about cute moderates? Rational Whacker (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh Ace McWicked is our official unkempt eye-candy. Between is rugged good looks and undeniable machismo he is the spearhead of our new promotional campaign to attract more ladies to the site. Look for this face on billboards across the country this summer. DickTurpis (talk) 15:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now you've said that, I'm tempted to print off pictures of Ace and run around town posting them up with the RW logo. Then again, it might attract less intellectual people to the site and engulf us in social networking and low-brow humour. 16:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We should have a RW beauty contest so I can win. Acei9 23:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Beauty" contest? Man, you just lost, like, 20,000 machismo points. DickTurpis (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bebo una botella de 337 esta noche. No tiene las fotos.  Šţěŗĭļė 03:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sending hate mail to the bitch cheerleader's school
As I was gonna point out last night when the server crashed, did anybody notice that the bitch's stupid rickroll seems to expose where she goes to school? East Washington U? Think it's actually her school? Anyone think sending her school some of the same shit she's been giving us is a good idea? Rational Whacker (talk) 15:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No. 15:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * NO. We are not a troll site. MARCVS ANTONIVS 15:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So then where does her IP come from? DDoS possible? Told you all, imma dick. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fucking hell no. Fucks sake. Are you insane? 15:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course, what I mean to say is do it by all means, but do it on your terms, in your time and under your name, rather than hiding behind the RationalWiki name when you do it. 15:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No I told you, I'm drunk. I think I'm high on something to. Rational Whacker (talk)
 * Go away. The grown-ups are talking. P-Foster (talk) 15:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll do it in the name of TK lol. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind our policy regarding how personal information is disclosed. Even cheerleaders have rights, and anything you find by Googling around should be carefully considered before posting it on RW. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 15:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheerleaders have "rights" and we have "lefts" because we have a brain. Oh look at the pretty logo! I'll continue this next week and hopefully I can remember my real name and first initial so I log in. Hasta La Vista! Rational Whacker (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh wait I thought I was being a dick on CP. Good night everybody! Rational Whacker (talk) 15:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Obtaining and posting this type of information is frowned upon in our community standards.--BobSpring is sprung! 15:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it just me or is this turning surreal?!? 16:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can find surreal about it is the fact that he's being taken seriously. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's tricky. I don't think they're serious, but it's better to err on the side of caution and roll out the friendly warnings. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 16:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was hopeful after responding with a blunt "no," that would be sufficient for people to ignore this thread and not entertain the poster with further comments. Apparently I was mistaken. 16:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * IMO, it smacked of Human. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know/care about the sock accounts here and their identities. Apart from one or two, yours being one of them NU. 17:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was saying your blunt response smacked of human. Which of my sawks do you care about? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh right, I thought you meant it was Human posting about the bitch cheerleader. What a hilarious misunderstanding. I'm going with the general assumption that you're MC/friends with him, not that it's my business. 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Me being MC is illogical, but I'd be willing to consider any and all evidence. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please don't. This meme is tiresome & basically feeding the troll.   17:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What meme? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretending that you & MarcusCicero are the same person. Tedious.   17:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I hate Cheerleader. Waronstupidity (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I love lamp. But who Neveruse is or isn't isn't my business or of interest to me. I want not approve on it. I think polite post. 17:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Would someone please explain to me what the heck is going on here? This is the second mention of cheerleader-related HCMs I've heard, and I would like to know that the heck everyone is talking about. 21:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Time for another non-sequitur thread
I spilt beer on my alarm clock a few weeks ago and I'm afraid to plug it back in for fear of electrocuting myself and burning the house down. It's 1997 all over again... 15:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It should have dried out by now, surely. 15:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The main worry I would have is that the dried remnants of the beer could cause overheating or a short, but then that seems only likely if you poured a pretty serious amount in to the thing. Maybe plug it in out in the garden and let it run for a few hours? Failing that, sell it at a car boot sale and then check the local newspapers over the coming months to see if the coroner has confirmed any reports of death by alarm clock. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 16:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * At which point we oversight that comment just in case the investigation leads back here... 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do Britain's atheistic building codes not require ground fault circuit interrupters? &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * New builds certainly do, and old ones are required to be upgraded. Trouble is lots and lots of the buildings in use here are old, particularly the sort of accomodation poor students live in, and buildings rented to poor students tend to have the sort of landlords who ignore minor details like the laws concerning health and safety. (Calling the Health and Safety Executive on your landlord when you've finally reached a state of total war and would quite like to break your lease is deeply emotionally satisfying.) - David Gerard (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I imagine SJ is caught in a vicious cycle by this spillage... no alarm clock -> no job -> no GFCI outlets -> no alarm clock... &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It will be fine by now marra - besides, an alarm clock will be a class II (double insulated) appliance, so there's no risk of electric shock. (As to GFCIs, or Residual Current Devices as we call them, since the 17th edition of the wiring regs BS7671 came in to force in 2008, pretty much everything needs to be RCD protected at 30mA, but the regs are not retrospective). 22:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My alarm clock is completely uninsulated and without any possibility of electric shock. I just wind it up. 07:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I used to have one of those. Then I dropped it, knocking the face plate akimbo, so it was always rang twenty minutes off.   21:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a long thread on Consumerist about just this sort of thing. The best advice is dip it in some distilled water first (to rinse off anything that's dried onto the electronics) and then stick it in a container of uncooked rice for a few hours (to suck the moisture out).   21:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't they be doing something about all this? P.S.: I'll be away from my computer for most of the summer due to my schedule, but I'll be back in August. 20:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's give fascism a chance - David Gerard (talk) 20:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I made a suggestion about giving it some sort of power a while ago, but it didn0t get very far.--BobSpring is sprung! 20:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Give me ultimate power, and I shall be a benevolent dictator. EddyP (talk) 21:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think the is warranted, so long as people quit getting involved in the drama and go back to the basics of writing and editing good articles here. And I mean actually going back to the basics, not just complaining about how we should (this seems tongue-in-cheek, but I assure you that it's what I have been doing all night). So come on, pull out your HotCat extension, and start doing what we came here to do! Conservative Punk (talk) 08:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hee!
via PZ 20:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw that in my newspaper a day or so ago. But I wasn't too surprised - I already lost faith in "Dear Abby" when she suggested to someone that they take a picture of their kids every morning so that they have an updated photo to show the cops in the event that their kids get abducted. 21:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I lost faith in her when I found out that the picture she's been using is twenty years old.  21:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! I never new that. Interesting. It really puts the columns where she gives self-confidence advice in a new light. 21:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ayn Landers - David Gerard (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What's really cool is taking a pic once a week or so of your kid, then when they're like, 18 or 20 putting them together as a video and watching them grow. A bit more on the "positive thinking" side than obsessing over possible abduction (although preparedness is a good thing). --Kels (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Dealing with trolls
We are trying to hammer out our policy regarding trolls on the Community Standards talk page. 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is it so easy to parody Palin?
I always said she was a tv personality--Thanatos (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

666 in rc
(diff) (hist). . RationalWiki:Loya Jirga‎; 21:09. . (+666) . . Bob M (Talk | contribs) (moar) Cheerleader Not Troll (talk) 21:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Great Youtube debate cancelled
The debate between Donexodus and NephilimFree has been cancelled. With both sides accusing the other of deceit and cowardice, it is hard to know who is telling porkies. --DamoHi 03:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it really all that hard to tell? --Kels (talk) 04:37, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Although one of those caption things seems to hint that a few of them would be getting together to take questions. Which to me seems like an infinitely better idea than yet another "debate". 08:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * From where I sit its just another case of a creationist making a challenge, dicking around until the other side throws up thier hands in frustration and then claiming victory by default. Nothing we haven't seen before and (sadly) wont see again. --Tygrehart
 * It's 100% DonExodus2's fault for not knowing any better. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 13:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I would argue its a catch-22. On one hand if you don't try to engage a dialog the Creationist Proponents whine that their side is not being heard and that's at best "unfair" and at worst a conspiracy (thus claiming victory.)  On the other if you do try to the engage them they usually pull some tomfoolery to stack the debate in their favor and when you cry foul they say you are afraid to debate them (again, claiming victory.)  I remember a blog post a while back in which Ames (I think) tried to call Andy on his "Will debate an Atheist, anywhere, anytime" challenge and having pretty much the same kind of debacle.  Dipped if you do, dipped if you don't.


 * Now one could say the best approach is to just ignore them entirely since they 1. are never going to see your point no matter how much evidence you show or rules you try to play by, 2. Are usually just looking for a forum, any forum, to spread their willful ignorance and 3. Are ultimately going to claim they are victorious regardless of the outcome. However, on my good days when I actually have a bit of faith for our species, I like to hope that incidents like this will open at least one followers eyes and let them see how underhanded, deceitful, and down right ignorant the people they support really are. --Tygrehart

Only one person likes Andrew Schlafly
I'm finally getting around to starting a Facebook account. I start adding some of the guys from here and I think "Hmm, wouldn't it be funny if I got Andy to be my friend?" Anyway, I came across this. Only one person likes him.--Thanatos (talk) 23:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not Andy's FB page, it's just some troll's Andy page. 06:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

A few weeks ago, Facebook altered how profiles worked so that if someone had an "interest" in something, it'd now appear as a page. Nothing too bad, although it does produce some... odd results like the above - another one being "nothing", which nearly 90,000 people "like". There was a minor uproar about the change (as always) but in practice nothing has changed. If you search for something and your data/posts are publicly listed, your name will pop up on search results as before - except now we have a nice link to Wikipedia to say what it's all about. The Conservapedia page that was actually set up by someone, is likely parody. There are countless other groups, all with about 10 people joining. Not exactly setting the world of social networking alight. 07:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Jerri Lynn Ward (his only fan) is rather hot. It's a shame she appears to be a bit wrong in the head. Perhaps healthcare reform should include plans to provide mental healthcare for people who would be great to spend an evening with if not for being unhinged. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 12:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh-Kay Kiddies!
SCIENCE! --Kels (talk) 05:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Boring, and where is the executive synopsis? I'm not busting on you, Kels, but I tire of SB posts that say "go here!" with not a single sentence explaining why.  I see too many lame posts of this sort lately.  TELL ME WHY I should click is all I ask.   07:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't click then. 07:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't, since I see no reason to. All I ask is for the slightest reason to be interested to be typed on the site.  07:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be funny if your old-fart style whinging encourages more people to post unexplained links. ONE / TALK 09:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Like this one? 11:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Come on, H. Pot kettle much! 11:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Well I did click it, and then read all the way through it, but I don't understand the point (if any) it was trying to make. 12:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, especially for Human, seeing as being a prick gets results, it's Neal Adams doing a comic version of his Expanding Earth idea, that somehow the planet's been getting bigger which is why 2/3 of the earth's crust is "missing", even though it's right there at a lower elevation on the sea floor. It's really something to read. Neal's a good artist, but this just underlines that good comic book artist != good scientist. --Kels (talk) 13:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kels... OK, that was weird! 22:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, you know I can bring the rock when I wanna. --Kels (talk) 22:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, geez. I'm a lifelong comics fan, and Neal Adams is a favorite artist. I hate it when someone whose work I respect in one field turns out to be a complete dolt in another. (Kind of like that I enjoy Charlie Daniels' music, but I think he's politically a moron.) MDB (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Same with a lot of performers, honestly. I grew up reading Larry Niven's novels, but in person he's famously an asshole.  Although Neal Adams hasn't lost it in every respect, even if he's a freak when it comes to geology.  Check this out for something a bit more positive. --Kels (talk) 15:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Similarly with Harlan Ellison, he's one of the most brilliant science fiction writers ever, but also an asshole of the highest proportions. I don't think he's given to crackpot ideas, though.


 * I spoke with Larry Niven some years ago at the Baltimore WorldCon, and he was nice to me. It was nothing more than me passing him in the hall, and the conversation was basically "Hello, Mister Niven. I like your work." "Oh, thank you very much." MDB (talk) 15:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Ellison is largely sane but abrasive. Although I think after a while it was deliberately so, since that was his public persona by then.  As to Niven, I've known a couple of writers who have shared panels with him at cons, and he's pretty much an arrogant twat. Not as loopy as Adams and, say, Orson Scott Card. --Kels (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * On the other paw, Harry Turtledove is a very nice guy. And getting into comics pros, Peter David is nice unless you're really stupid. (Basically, he doesn't suffer fools gladly, but you have to reach Schlafly-esque stupidity for him to lose patience with you.) MDB (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Eating Competitions
Eating competitions are hideous events. Hey, come watch me. I am greedy fat pig and I want you to hoot and wail as I indulge in horrific gluttony. Acei9 06:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I may be wrong, but I believe the Guinness book has banned them from record attempts. Don't tell Roger S 06:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I have sickening images of fat Celts in coke bottle glasses covered in meat and sauce waving around a trophy. Look at me, the filthy pig who has no problem with prostituting my integrity in the name of gross atavistic gorging. Acei9 06:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you know there's a Guinness world record for the number of times in 1 minute a woman can put on and take off a bra? Bondurant (talk) 06:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But can she do that while stuffing a giant Meringue in her gaping maw? Acei9 06:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * While sitting in a bath tub full of beans? -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 12:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll have no more of you airing your fetishes in public, you pervert! --Kels (talk) 13:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello Earthlings!
I bring you piece! --Alienfromspace (talk) 19:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A piece of what, precisely? -- 19:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, precisely. --Alienfromspace (talk) 19:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Piece of cake? 19:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's cake laced with NEUROTOXIN. -- 01:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Back it up ALF. I've got an E-Meter here and I'm not afraid to use it. --Tygrehart

We're messing with the mission template
See Template:RationalWiki MainPage/About and Template talk:RationalWiki MainPage/About. This is as included on both the front page and on RationalWiki - David Gerard (talk) 20:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Will RW be banned in Oz?
Australia's "Internet Filter" will block sites "... which provide:


 * Harm minimisation information for recreational drug users
 * Space for the discussion of gay and lesbian sexuality
 * Analysis of the geopolitical causes of terrorism"

There's some nice links there too.

20:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gay and lesbian sexuality is bannable? *Crosses Australia off list of sane places.* MARCVS ANTONIVS 21:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And lose our Aussie contributors? NO!!! 20:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking at that blacklist, most of the sites appear to be porn-related. A lot of the titles suggest child porn (& I don't intend clicking on those links just to find out) or rape/torture-related porn, but there are a lot of gay porn ones too, & some more-or-less mainstream straight porn sites.  It seems heavy-handed to say the least.  Plus there are a load of YouTube videos about euthanasia they want to ban.   21:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a stupid plan that is only lingering because of Fielding, the fundie. Conroy is also a drooling incompetent way out of his depth. Fielding will with any luck go next election, and Conroy can be booted sideways to become Minister for Remote Islands Somewhere Well Out Of Harm's Way or something - David Gerard (talk) 21:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is that last one a roundabout way of saying "don't criticize Israel for anything, ever"? Or is it "don't question the government's decision to do whatever the US told us to do"? --Kels (talk) 22:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In Conroy's case it just means "you may be a big enough party hitter to get a ministry, but you're a fucking clueless idiot and it's really obvious" - he is so out of his depth with the telecommunications portfolio - David Gerard (talk) 22:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

And another non-sequitur
Don't you just hate it when you try to drink something (like tea) and because for some reason you're expecting - possibly just subconsciously - to taste something else, like lemonade, so it makes you think it tastes gawdawful and then you spit it out and everyone looks at you like you're insane... 15:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Though in fairness, I think this tea is tasting a little funky so might need to check the date on the milk... 15:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember once my friends dad went into a convenience store and got us the "cherry coke" we wanted from the soda fountain. He didn't tell us until we'd finished that they were out of cherry and it was regular coke. Blew our fucking minds, man. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't check the date, just smell the milk. Those dates are nonsense. The nose doesn't lie.-- 16:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Akabusi is wise. The actual date varies quite a bit, depending on how long the milk has been open and the quality of the fridge. Only downside to the sniff method is that the dried milk around the cap may smell a bit sour even if the milk itself is fine. I love milk and I dedicate a lot of time to understanding and drinking it. -- ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 16:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Whenever I smell check milk, it always smells bad. I go by taste. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you go by smell pour it into a glass first. The crusty bits around the mouth of the carton can have a discernible odor the milk itself doesn't have. DickTurpis (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what I hate? When you're pouring what you expect to be gin in your ear, but it turns out you got the bottles wrong an it's actually flat Sprite. Bad scene, man, bad scene. DickTurpis (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why we're all here. We provide support in times of woe. I'm sorry to hear about the Sprite problem, but I know you're strong enough to get "back on the horse" and return to pouring top shelf booze in to your ear holes. Tried pouring advocaat in your ear? It's booze, but it's a bit like milk. Best of both worlds. -- ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 16:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (EC) As a man whose gin comes in large, plastic bottles, I can relate to that. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 16:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Pretty easy to tell when the milk in your tea has turned. Just look and see if it's formed little particles on the surface when you pour it in, rather than just dispersing. If so, toss it out even if it does smell okay. --Kels (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I recommend Cravendale or Tesco's Pure milk. It is superfiltered to remove most of the bacteria and lasts a lot longer than the regular stuff. 07:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Drinking spoiled milk is, in all seriousness, my greatest fear in life. Stop, Smell, and See; the three S's just might save your life. --Silent Tadpole sexes your brain 16:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Cosmos, Carl Sagan, and BP
How fitting- I was just watching an old "Cosmos" episode in which Sagan showed footage of the Valdez catastrophe. I wonder what he'd say about the choice he posited in 1980 now that billions and billions of gallons of oil flood are flooding into the Gulf: "Our generation must choose. Which do we value more, short-term profits or the long-term habitability of our planetary home?" Corry (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Short term profits, please! But seriously, people will choose that. 15:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's interesting how many people seem to care about their childrens' livelihood and well-being only during their own lifetimes. I wonder, strictly as a hypothetical (albeit a potentially feasible one), whether people would do things any differently if there was definitive proof that by not changing our energy habits within 50 years, that a specific percentage of the population (say 10%) would certainly die as a direct result. --Silent Tadpole sexes your brain 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm writing an article for Newsweek
Hi there, I'm a journalist currently writing an article about trolling on the internet. I would appreciate some personal testimonials from users on this site both from their experience of trolling conservapedia and trolling on this website, and what they thought they achieved from such actions. My article is taking a look at the long term sociological impact of trolling on the internet, and if I get some juicy testimonials I may include Rationalwiki in the article. Thank you. Reporter (talk) 11:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to be rude, but... can you provide some proof that you are actually from Newsweek and not a troll yourself? You are welcome to contact me privately via a Newsweek e-mail address to do so. I'll indicate here that you did so, without posting your address. Or you could just post the address yourself, if you're so inclined. MDB (talk) 11:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you want to come over and check out my juicy testimonial? Its juicy. Acei9 11:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh that won't be necessary. I can assure you that I am a Newsweek journalist. I give you my word, as a man of honour, as a journalist. Reporter (talk) 11:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Every journalist I have ever met has been a filthy liar and rotten scoundrel. This includes myself. Acei9 11:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What about this guy? MDB (talk) 11:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * MC 11:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * I recommend that if you plan on writing articles for an American magazine that you set your spell-checker to "US English" to save your editor(s) some trouble. 22:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Are any of you prepared to offer testimonials? I'm a busy man you know. Reporter (talk) 11:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What an odd thing to say. 11:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * And are you prepared to offer any proof that you are who you say you are, other than *snicker* your word of honor as a reporter? Junggai (talk) 11:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I assure you that I am a reporter for Newsweek. I gave you my word. I expect that to be the end of the matter. Reporter (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * All journalists need give proof of ID in order to secure interviews or get quotes. That's just how it works. So you are really fooling no one. 11:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Newsweek? I haven't looked at one of those since I was cutting my teeth on a Commodore 64.  Don't we have a dinosaur gif around here somewhere? Secret Squirrel (talk) 11:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's my trolling-related testimonial: Fuck off, troll. Feel free to include that in your article. ONE / TALK 11:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fuck of Marcus Of course I believe you, and what's this about five million you have in a bank account in Nigeria? Bob Soles (talk) 12:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I do recommend that we stop the "fuck off troll" type comments, as that's feed and makes people look angry and annoyed, and keep just laughing at the fact that some twit somewhere was dumb enough to try and pull a stunt this blatantly stupid. I mean, seriously, this is more retarded than those flag burners who couldn't strike a match to get it all started. 12:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You want proof? OK, heres the proof. My name is Mark Zoldburg and I write for Newsweek. Now can we please carry on with the testimonials and get some work done. Reporter (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * MZ? Sure it's not MC? 12:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * [[image:Laughing.gif]] Try again. 12:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * May I please suggest if you have nothing to say, say nothing. I'm on a tight schedule here. Reporter (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Will your brother, Dr. John Zoidburg, be along soon to tell us that you're actually a loony currently off your meds? Because I'd believe him. -- 12:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't understand how you would know that my brothers name is John, or that he is a pyschiatrist. How uncanny. Now would you please step aside and allow the testimonials to commence. Reporter (talk) 12:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This is presumably Marcus "shaking the ant's nest". What I find interesting is that our collective reaction is one of mild amusement, he's become a naughty puppy who can't help pee everywhere but we've become adept at clearing up so we've become immune. We still call him "bad dog" but in a half hearted way, without any real malice. So, Mr Zoidburg, what's a troll when all he provokes is amusement? Bob Soles (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was a bit disappointed when the name didn't show up on Google. Newsweek has a website, after all. 12:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "So, Mr Zoidburg, what's a troll when all he provokes is amusement?" The answer, of course, is what we already knew MC is: a pathetic loser sitting at home when he isn't at a Star Trek convention. 216.243.160.49 (talk) 12:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is really funny. Imagine a real reporter posting on a wiki talk page and then sitting there refreshing it often enough to reply to every post within minutes. "I'm a busy man, don't you know."-- 13:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * My editor will be very angry that you refused to offer any testimonials. Members are still free to do so if you wish. I would like to add that your contempt for my magazine has been noted and you will suffer the consequences in the article as mentioned. Reporter (talk) 13:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't troll.

All you need to know about trolling exists in encyclopedia dramatica. Apart from that, if you are from Newsweek do explain to me why instead of thinking of how to adapt in an age where every kid can put a blog together and publish it (through the internets) straight to the ipad & laptops havers, why your "investigative journalism" focuses on internet trolling, instead of the gazibillions of human rights abusers, south america drug lords, african corruption and how certain western companies "manage" to operate there "without" bribing (or do they?), eastern sweatshops, unsolvable murders, village pillages and so on. I'd never pay to read articles I can f-ing write myself in 10 minutes. Sen (talk) 13:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Blogs will be covered in the article. Namely how they challenge traditional media, and give a platform to everyone, whether competant or not. There are plenty of other journalists writing about global issues, but the rise of the new media is arguably as significant a development in world history as any bomb planted in the Middle East. Reporter (talk) 13:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * (EC) Well now they're going to have to write about that stuff, since this anonymous reporter has failed to find any online testimonials about trolling after two hours. Now all the cool kids will cancel their subscriptions to Newsweek. I hope you're all happy. 13:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi guys. I'm just after coming back from a meeting with my editor and he is quite annoyed with the slow reaction I've had from the various sites in which I've left requests up on. Most of the sites I posted on immediately locked the thread, or deleted it. In fact you are the only site to actually respond to my comments. Well the deal is this. My editor is threatening to fire me if my next article isn't a heavy hitter. Everybody knows the financial straits of Newsweek magazine. In fact, he called me an 'incompetant ass who can't spell write' and said I better hurry up with my article. My deadline is 9:00 A:M tomorrow morning New York time. Please help me out. If my article isn't any good by tomorrow, I might conceivably be unemployed. Reporter (talk) 14:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there some biggest troll fail of the year award? WashionalRiki (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, if this guy were a reporter, he'd be getting enough material for his article.WilhelmJunker (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It's gone 10 AM in New York. I wonder if our Reporter visitor has been fired by now? Bondurant (talk) 14:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey guys, went into work today and the boss took one look at my article, spat on it, and threw it against the wall. He then proceeded to scream at me, insulting my appearance, and demanding to know why I didn't get the vital information from that Rationalwiki site. I replied 'I tried to tell them that my job was on the line, but they wouldn't listen'. My editor then stood there for a moment, slightly perturbed. "You mean to tell me that you explained to these people that you're job was on the line, and they still wouldn't listen?" I was embarassed. I didn't know what to say. My editor went on. "Don't worry about it kid. You're young here, you've got a bright future ahead of you. The pulitzer prize is in your grasp. But this..." He exclaimed, pointing at my deletorious article, "... this, this is absolute filth. Now get the hell out of here." On the way out I asked him if I still had a job. He responded, "After going through what you did with that rationalwiki crowd, I haven't the heart to. So long kid. Take the day off."


 * So THANK YOU very much. Reporter (talk) 17:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, seeing as how people who simply make stuff up are able to draw millions of followers these days, I also think you've got a bright future ahead in the media business. Röstigraben (talk) 17:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Assuming good faith
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and give you a brief testimonial: I do not consider editing RW to be trolling, not at all. I will admit I do troll CP, but I feel this is justified; CP is a very powerful and respected website and educational resource, I fear that their rise and rise will convert more people to their message. We liberals have been able to suppress the truth for a long time, what with evolutionist professors keeping the Bible out of schools, and with a socialist in office we thought we were home and dry. But CP just keeps on fighting, we have accepted that we can't compete on logic with conservative and christian stances, so we have to fight dirty. I troll CP because I want to see it destroyed. I fear them, vandalism is the only way I feel I can counter, they have already got so much out that we kept hidden, they must be stopped. 13:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Liberal atheists at vandal sites concede defeat!!!
 * "CP is a very powerful and respected website and educational resource"

- Armondikov


 * &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 13:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll add my experience as well, I certainly hope this makes it into the magazine. Under the alias Marcus Cicero I spent months attempting to be the the most obnoxious troll the internet has ever seen. I'm not sure I succeeded, but no one can claim that I didn't try pretty damn hard. When people finally got fed up with my puerile, dickish behavior and banned me, I resorted to whining about the unfair policies of a site that claims to allow people with differing opinions but somehow doesn't welcome patently obvious trolling. I could give you more details if you like. Believe me, as Marcus Cicero, I was a supreme dickhead. DickTurpis (talk) 13:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you expand on that? What motivated you to troll the website? How come you are still allowed to participate on this site? Did you have a road to Damascus conversion? Reporter (talk) 13:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, as a regularly masturbating fourteen year-old with social awkwardness, I find that going onto internet forums to call people dicks and laugh about it and then gradually upping the game to insult them directly, obscenely and quite rudely compensates for the lack of companionship I can find in the real world whenever my 17 hour World of Warcraft marathons fail to. 14:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So your lack of social skills force you to troll? What effect has this had on your masturbation frequency? Does trolling make you cum like a fat kid at chocolate camp? Reporter (talk) 14:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people might be single-minded, accidental trolls. They will focus on one area that is off-mission or try to push a viewpoint.They are the most likely to leave after a while. They tend to leave in a huff after their contributions are removed and no one agrees with them on talk pages. Then you have the people who make inappropriate names or replace page content with something stupid, like fags. These people lose interest after some time. A person who purposely trolls a website is the same as what James O'Keefe is to journalism. They will be around for a long time to cause trouble unless the are permanently banned, a practice we do not want to devolve to here. Those are the three levels of trolling.--Thanatos (talk) 01:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Again
Damnit, my wikisearch-fu is weak today. Marcus already posted this exact same thing ("I'm a journalist and I'd love to hear about how you were all trolled by MarcusCicero") but I can't find it. Can someone with better search skills have a look for me? 10:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone seen this guy before?
He seems to be a "Time cubist" 07:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a moron. 07:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I found him here (first comment) 09:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * That site is so full of win. I mean, fail. But win on the comedy front. Because of the fail. Dammit, lets just call it a total metric fuckton of failwin. 12:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Special, One Day Only
To honor my new friends at RationalWiki, I am offering discounts, today only, on the absolution of sins!

I'm requiring 50% less penance for venial sins, and 33% less penance for mortal sins! And if you've violated an odd numbered Commandment, for the next eight hours, all you have to do is say one "Hail Mary" and it will be completely forgiven! That's right, you can have worshiped false gods, worked on the Sabbath, stolen, coveted your neighbor's wife, even committed murder, and you can be forgiven easily until 4:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time.

Simply confess your sins in the space below to begin the process of getting right with God.

Blessings, PB-16

PopeBenedictXVI (talk) 12:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I aborted a gay married female priest who converted to Lutheranism. AND I ATEN'T SORRY! - David Gerard (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ironically, it says nothing about my neighbor's daughter.  12:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * David, no forgiveness is necessary, my child. That was a public service, not a sin. Have you considered a vocation with the Inquisition Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith? I worked there before, and it certainly improved my career prospects.
 * Human, were you coveting your neighbor's daughter's ass? I'm afraid that would be a sin, albeit a minor one.

PopeBenedictXVI (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pope sir, I am guilty of playing cruel practical jokes on poor unsuspecting victims. I mean, once I got a big ugly pink Cadillac just so I could give it away to some twit who is probably still driving it to this day thinking he is the pinnacle of class while everybody sniggers at him. Oh, and then there are the seven deadly sins: gluttony, gluttony, lust, gluttony, gluttony, gluttony, gluttony and gluttony (I know that's 8 but I am quite a glutton).--Elvis (talk) 12:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My child, your music has already absolved you of any sins you have ever committed. Go, and sin some more. PopeBenedictXVI (talk) 12:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * We have two teenage girls in the house, serving as experimental evidence that daughters are a goddamn nuisance. At least I can still fight back with really awful music from my own collection. Don't trust anyone under thirty - David Gerard (talk) 12:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Special Announcement
I am pleased to announce, infallibly, that simony is no longer a sin.

In a completely unrelated development, the Vatican now accepts "PayPal". PopeBenedictXVI (talk) 12:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to become the Archbishop of New Jersey. Please send me your best price asap. — Pietrow   ☏  15:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 5,000 USD, but I'll knock 1,000 off the price if you declare Andy Schlafly a heretic and order all practicing Catholics in the state to attack him on sight.
 * Oh, and could you call that Tony Soprano fellow from New Jersey that was on HBO a while back and see if he's okay? VatiCable TV cut out right before the last episode ended, and I never found out what happened!
 * And I'm gonna tell you something in confidence... Tony's wife made me consider dropping that whole 'celibacy' requirement. PopeBenedictXVI (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Tony's wife is now a nurse working in NYC under the name Jackie Peyton Jack Hughes (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm writing article for Der Spiegel!
Hello and Guten Tag, I am a reporter for Der Spiegel here in Germany! I am writing an article about identity verifibility here in the Internet. I wonder if any of your experienced site navigators have any testimonials of people posting under made-up identities, or claiming to have credentials that in reality life they do not have? I am looking into the long-term history of identify impersonation and the sociological impact of claiming to be someone you are not be!

Please post me your testimonials! If your juicy testimonials are sufficiently quality I will mention RATIONALWIKI in my prestigious article in Der Spiegel, and send you all a complimentary tray of German Tortes! Aufwiedersehen to Rational Wikis!--Reporter for Der Spiegel (talk) 14:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hurry up! I am a busy man you know!!--Reporter for Der Spiegel (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In allen Urteilen, worinnen das Verhältnis eines Subjekts zum Prädikat gedacht wird, (wenn ich nur die bejahenden erwäge: denn auf die verneinenden ist die Anwendung leicht) ist dieses Verhältnis auf zweierlei Art möglich. Entweder das Prädikat B gehört zum Subjekt A als etwas, was in diesem Begriffe A (versteckterweise) enthalten ist; oder B liegt ganz außer dem Begriff A, ob es zwar mit demselben in Verknüpfung steht. Im ersten Fall nenne ich das Urteil analytisch, im andern synthetisch. Analytische Urteile (die bejahenden) sind also diejenigen, in welchen die Verknüpfung des Prädikats mit dem Subjekt durch Identität, diejenigen aber, in denen diese Verknüpfung ohne Identität gedacht wird, sollen synthetische Urteile heißen. Röstigraben (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What is this gibberish? I speak English, Dutch and real German - please reply in one of zese languages or my editor will be very angry! I do not have time to waste here in your Rational Saloon Bar.--Reporter for Der Spiegel (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! You just gave yourself away. No real German would object to spending time in a bar! Röstigraben (talk) 14:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I can't say I have experienced such a thing.Queen of England (talk) 14:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Von dem Unterschiede analytischer und synthetischer Urteile ist sicherlich in fabelhaftem Deutsch geschrieben - allemal lesenswerter (so fürchte ich) als der avisierte Artikel, der keine Torten wert sein dürfte. 14:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No sir, no impersonation going on on this website. FrankAbagnaleJr (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobody even impersonates me. The gall!--Elvis (talk) 14:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Allah akbar, comrades! What is all this nonsense? Barack Hussein Obama (talk) 14:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We're just trying to convince a skeptical German reporter there's nothing to see here, so he should move along. By the way, keep up the good work and send my regards to Rob! Karl Marx (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite right, old bean. Move along, nothing to see here. Lord Lucan (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ಠ_ಠ Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Like much of the German press, Der Spiegel is not to be trusted. PopeBenedictXVI (talk) 14:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, they're responsible for the oil spill. Horrible people. Paul Krugman (talk) 14:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * you ask that question on this website, hehehhehehehe Yes I admit I am really a Hamster, I love my wheeel :) Hamster (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * omg it's a sockpuppet show! where's wikipe-tan? i love her! Cheerleader Not Troll (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Help the aged
Assistance requested: What do you use in Open office "Find & Replace" for Carriage return/Line feed? 09:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you turn on regex and use \r\n? 10:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Dunno, can I? (regex is pretty much a mystery to me, I'm afraid)10:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Only one way to find out. In MS Word in the find / replace there's a checkbox for "Use Regular Expressions" (or similar wording) so you can enter \r\n and replace with a space, or whatever. I assume OpenOrfice is the same. 10:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope: in "Help" it do say that \n can be used but it just pastes it in as written. What I'm trying to do is:
 * replace
 * with
 * Cause I've a load of data I wanna get into a wiki table. 10:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Cause I've a load of data I wanna get into a wiki table. 10:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Cause I've a load of data I wanna get into a wiki table. 10:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Cause I've a load of data I wanna get into a wiki table. 10:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]

I don't think "word" type programs are good for editing wiki stuff. I use arachnophilia, but I use the old version, before he went too a Java-based program. Email me if you want the code for the non-Java version. 10:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm too old a dog to be larnin' all that new-fangled stuff. I'll root around a bit & get back to you. 10:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * It's not new-fangled, it's a high-quality text editor designed for web creation, with awesome global search/replace functions. 10:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the website the non-java version of Arachnophilia is Windows only. 11:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * Oh, sorry. Dang.  11:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I tend to use Visual Studio for that kind of thing, but I'm guessing you don't have that :) 10:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Divining the entrails of the help file (OOo 3.2.0 on Ubuntu Lucid), it looks like, even if you tick "Regular expression", it can't search for a carriage return (paragraph mark) - it can only replace a \n (which is shift-return) with a paragraph mark (which, in the replace box, is also called "\n"). From this I conclude that OpenOffice is a computer program, therefore does not work and is shit. Trust me, I'm a professional - David Gerard (talk) 11:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are willing to lose the OpenOffice formatting, pasting it to awk or sed could be a solution. I don't understand your exact problem though. If you explain it a bit more I would gladly try to find the right sed invocation. — Pietrow   ☏  11:45, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I understand now. Reading comprehension was never my strongest part. Here is a sed solution:

$ cat test.in
 * Line 1
 * Line 2

$ sed 's/^* /|\n| /g' test.in > test.out $ cat test.out
 * Line 3
 * Line 4
 * Line 1
 * Line 2
 * Line 2
 * Line 2

$ Please let me know if it doesn't work. — Pietrow   ☏  11:55, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Line 3
 * Line 4
 * Line 4
 * Line 4


 * I use Textpad which has good search and replace facilities, including regex and can record macros. But it's just for Windows. If you're using Linux can't you use awk or sed? (Ah, I see Pietrow has suggested the same.) 10:17, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Aha! If it's ubuntu, it'll have Gedit, the default text editor. That has good search and replace too. I just tested it by taking this page's wikitext and replacing "\n" with "arse" - worked wonderfully - David Gerard (talk) 10:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, David, you're the winner of the assist an old lady across the road prize. I never thought of gedit - works a charm. 02:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC) TerrySmall.png [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]]
 * LOL. 03:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Drunken on-topic fun
We're going great guns with this list of idiots that creationists think actually makes them look good. Pour yourself a pint and get researching, this thing is a lost classic of creationist idiocy - David Gerard (talk) 21:10, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * you're an awfully unlikable cunt. 86.40.97.164 (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, if there's one thoroughly unlikeable cunt around here it's me. Or maybe Human. So get your facts straight, shitforbrains. DickTurpis (talk) 21:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, if anybody is unlikeable, it's me. Or Nx. Or RA. You've got nothing on either of us three, Dick. Sorry. 21:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I totally have that market cornered. Now bow down and worship me, peasants! :P  -- 21:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that you're all great! Seriously, I'm talking to friends at work and telling them how great you are, and they're like "no wai" and I'm "wai!" -- ConcernedResident Fightin' round the world 21:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh, blow it out your ass, Fucknuts. (See? Completely unlikeable!) DickTurpis (talk) 22:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * At least I wasn't bummed silly during a trip to the petting zoo gone wrong. ConcernedResident  Fightin' round the world 23:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought I was RW's most unlikable cunt? Acei9 23:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Contest time? DickTurpis (talk) 04:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is unlikable worse than unlickable? 10:20, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing a bit of better hygene down there can't fix. Bondurant (talk) 10:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[image:Facepalm.png]] 11:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Awwww!
Nothing else: just "Awwwww" 04:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My lady and I both agree. Awwww! 06:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * DID I MENTION I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND? - David Gerard (talk) 12:05, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You do not, David. Don't lie, we all know you are just some Wikipedia nerd! (Lol, in case it isn't obvious, I'm just kidding)   22:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Goldmine of stupid
How Did We All Come From Adam and Eve? Pay particular attention to the comments, especially the ones about how evolution is stupid, because that would mean we came from rock DNA, and rock sex(??) 11:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The motherload. Shouldn't we have an article on this guy? Jack Hughes (talk) 13:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is my opinion that those who seek to criticise evolution should at least take a class on it to understand the basics. 13:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Expecting sense from this incarnation of Pravda is like trying to read The Sun without learning anything at all about celebrity gossip. -- ConcernedResident Fightin' round the world 22:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

More experimental science
I added WIGO NAV to the top of AOTW Main. You'll see it there on the main page. No-one's killed me per instructions as yet or even squeaked. Any good? The Bar is in the nav bar, should it be listed? - David Gerard (talk) 13:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks hideous now. It's awful. Get rid of it. It offends me... But on a serious note, the "what is going on" part at the top is now quite redundant. Moving this onto the main page needs to be integrated more with a fuller mainpage change. However, I think we might want to put this off for a little while longer. 13:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I liiiiiike it ;-) Just because we need to redesign the main page doesn't mean failing to fix things in the meantime.
 * I think it also goes nicely with the cover story templates, which I've been adding pictures to to make the main page purty. Reload http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge repeatedly to see the selection. These are the ones without images as yet:
 * Cover abstract/Chelation therapy
 * Cover abstract/Autism omnibus trial
 * Cover abstract/Fundamentalism
 * Cover abstract/Non-materialist neuroscience
 * Cover abstract/RationalWiki Atheism FAQ for the Newly Deconverted
 * We have not only images already on RW to use, but also everything on Wikimedia Commons. So get to decorating - David Gerard (talk) 13:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it really "fixed" anything. And sure, it's one thing to "be bold" and to test if anyone notices your edit to a main page template - realize that most of us don't look at it - but usually we discuss changes to or revamps of the main page.  By the way, I don't think it looks very good.  14:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hate it enough, you know what to do - David Gerard (talk) 15:14, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Charlie Brooker and Mr Fuggles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IONsnW4SKhY Now that he's engaged to Konnie Huq, it's clear that Charlie Brooker may have seriously missed his calling as a kids TV presenter. 23:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe, yeah I watched that when it aired. I love the comparison to Donnie Darko. Wait, Charlie Brooker is engaged to Konnie Huq? How the fuck did that miserable arse score that? 08:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the misanthropy is always a front for when he's on TV and writing columns, and if you look at anything Konnie Huq does that isn't Blue Peter, she's pretty much exactly the same person. Well, it could have been Aisleyne from Big Brother, who also became inexplicably attached to Brooker at one point. 11:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow... Blue Peter has come a long way since I was a kid. Wow.  15:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, Blue Peter has come a long way since I was a kid. 00:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

NephilimFree vs. DonExodus2 - the fallout......
Oh course, with both sides accusing each other of lies - the truth was bound to come out. Acei9 03:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I found this kind of interesting despite myself. Go watch the creepy stalker guy's videos of the negotiations between the two of them, and read the interspersed annotations. It's a fascinating case study of dysfunctional conspiracy theorist mind in motion. You watch him agreeing to the fairly reasonable suggestions made, then his brain kicks in with "realisation" that he's being lured in to an evil trap. It's both horrifying and wonderful to watch him proclaim again and again that he's so smart because he divined the hidden evil intent behind the facade of calm organisation. And, if nothing else, there's a certain schadenfreude to watching the juxtaposition of someone claiming to be smart with such atrocious spelling. NO GO, BUDDY! -- 08:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This doesn't surprise me in the least. I'd be lying if I said I didn't suspect Nephilimfree anyway, but it's always best to reserve judgement until more info's available. I guess after nearly two years of watching CP and other creationists online I've become somewhat prejudiced against them and their "debates." Oh well. 20:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Obama = Jew hater
This is a new one on me. According to a teabagger "Liberals calling Glenn Beck anti semetic because they have a guilty conscience for Electing the most Jew hating president ever". Where did that come from? 13:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "My leader isn't an anti-Semite because your leader is an anti-Semite! Ha ha, so there! I'm rubber and your glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you. QED." MDB (talk) 13:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's simple, really. Obama=Muslim=Jew-hater. Mathematically proven. Deny this and lose all credibility. DickTurpis (talk) 13:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * All I know is that my sister's namesake is all the news today. For getting kicked out of the White House press pool. 13:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And rightly so. Saying Jews should go back to Germany and Poland... that's... not nice. MDB (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This? I have no idea who she is. Presumably big in the US? I want not approve on it, I think racist post. 13:54, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that. Helen Thomas has been a White House correspondent, for various news organizations, since JFK was President-elect. She was known for feisty questioning of Presidents. Conservatives hated her for daring to ask tough questions of Saint Ronald. For years, she always got the first question at formal Presidential news conferences, but the order of questioning was changed to a lottery-based system. MDB (talk) 14:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And she was shoved to the back of the room during the GWB era. Fuck's sake, she's 89, and now suddenly she's an anti-Semite?  Christ on an easter stick, she is a Semite.  14:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Uh, no no and no. She hasn't been a reporter for years now (although for honorable reasons, she left UPI when the Moonies bought it), she was most recently a Hearst columnist, and a bad one at that (only a couple of papers carried her column with any regularity). In mild fairness to the Bush administration she was a columnist routinely writing "Bush is the worst President in history" while expecting to sit in the the front row and ask repetitive questions. Yes, Bush broke long tradition by not cutting her slack, but at some point that actually is the right thing to do.


 * As for her being a Semite... that's "technically" true, but as the phrase "anti-Semite" is 100% of the time (rounding up for whatever minuscule fraction might be out there) used to mean "anti-Jew", it's a clever but inaccurate thing to say. She's a Christian born of Lebanese parents.


 * NOT, mind you, that I think she's an anti-Semite. As a friend on mine just said to me, anti-Zionism =/= anti-Semitism. 173.10.105.29 (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Your strict use of terminology frightens and confuses me... 10:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not inaccurate. Lebanese Christians are a Semitic people. Most populations of the Levant and Arabian peninsula are. --[[Image:TheEgyptiansig001.png|link=User:TheEgyptian]] 00:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, fuck me ...
...no - don't bother, I'll do it myself. (men - who needs 'em?) 07:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The wording in that article is class. I love it when scientists write about people fucking each other's brains out. 08:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "there is at least an element of these responses that are under conscious control, providing women with an opportunity to manipulate male behavior to their advantage" - was this research paper written by FallDown?  18:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, I forgot about that guy. Nice one. 19:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Fuck this.
Allow me to teach a lesson that never seems to be understood, in special all caps and in large text because I am pissed off at this shit. DON'T FUCKING FED THE FUCKING TROLL. WHAT IS SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?! IF YOU SEE A TROLL VYING FOR ATTENTION, FUCKING IGNORE IT. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT? (I AM YELLING AT YOU, NX AND ACE MCWICKED), STOP FEEDING THE FUCKING TROLLS AND FUCKING MOVE ON, DAMN IT. This message bought to you by 21:52, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are feeding the troll. Stop feeding the troll. -- Nx  / talk 21:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What the fuck did I do? I did a couple of reverts, gave up and am now getting on with my day. Acei9 21:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the great big Catch-22 of trolling. You can't say "don't feed the troll" without saying "feed the troll"... 21:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't let Nx fool you. He gets it. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 21:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * See, I told you. -- Nx  / talk 22:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I get the irony... 22:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Either way, thanks Javascap. I wish more people would respond (rather, not respond) to trolling as your OP rightly said they should. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 22:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are such a self-righteous hypocritical arsewipe aren't you? 22:05, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I will admit that I am frustrated. We all know the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them, and it irks me how every troll just laps up attention rather than being ignored and binned/banned as a troll. It isn't hard to do, and it dazzles me that it isn't done. 22:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * With every BoN troll I revert, bin, carry on. More than willing to do the same with Neveruse. Acei9 22:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * * offers a high five and apologies for snapping. 22:11, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I shall join the revert, ignore and carry on club. Now, climate change... 22:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I know if I did it now there'd be cries of protest from some however I think that point is fast approaching. Acei9 22:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm in for reverting. Yes we should be able to ignore the shite, but it's kind of like having a new filling. You know you shouldn't fiddle with it, but it feels odd and you have to keep touching it with your tongue. -- ConcernedResident Fightin' round the world 22:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * More like a rash on your genitals. Acei9 22:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That example is oddly and disturbingly specific. -- 22:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Reverting is not ignoring... &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 22:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the nightmares, Ace. 22:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The cream helps. Acei9 22:31, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * With the nightmares? -- 22:33, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bananas. Peanut Butter. Kent Hovind. 22:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! -- 22:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * For those of you who don't know/don't remember, here is the link 22:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know who you (OP) are talking about but I think labeling people is generally not very productive. I would rather work on policies on excommunication, that have broad community support. That would have to be a group effort, of course, so it is maybe less of a "policy" and more of a "union". This place has a union doesn't it? Lumenos (talk) 22:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above commenter has been banned forever for thought crimes and attempting to herd cats. Goatspeed! 22:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm late to the party. What are we fucking this time? 22:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a rash on my genitals and CR has a new filling. Acei9 22:50, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * CR was in my dream last night, which must've been very concerning for all those concerned. (Primarily myself and ConcernedResident). I was walking past a bus stop near my house and CR was sitting there. When I asked why he was here (me living in London and he being in Ireland) he said he was just "hanging 'round." 22:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We need Trent right now to explain why this isn't creepy and is just a natural thing that can happen in dreams. ConcernedResident  Fightin' round the world 22:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was looking at flights to Ireland yesterday (or the day before, I forget) out of interest and was gonna send you a message if I went. Probably something to do with that. 22:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be popping to the UK in a few months to either see my sister in Machester or visit my old dear in London. Not sure if those are anywhere near you? ConcernedResident  Fightin' round the world 23:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I live in London. Let me know if that's where you're headed. We'll fuck shit up. 23:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Land of proper kebabs and curries! ConcernedResident  Fightin' round the world 23:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I live near Manchester (well, 60 miles), so if you're nearby I'll buy you a pint. 08:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

RW should have a 'map' of users so potential meet-ups piss-ups can be arranged. ONE / TALK 13:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can get TK to share his with us? 01:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I live within 60 miles of Manchester as well so we must live nearly nextdoor to each other. 20:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll give you northerners a shout then when I finally get up to Manchester. I was hoping it'd be this month, but a vanishing housemate is likely to make that pretty difficult to do. I'd say within the next four months anyway. ConcernedResident  Fightin' round the world 20:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Would this extension allow us to flag where we are? 08:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

hi
i'm not really shyenne i just guessed her password. needed a mop to play with my food. SRQ girl (talk) 23:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC) i'm bored. rw is funner when there be trolls to play whack-a-mole with. Cheerleader Not Troll (talk) 23:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How about you guys and Marcus make your own wiki where you can troll/feed the troll/play whack-a-mole and leave us alone? -- Nx  / talk 23:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * i'm done trolling. Cheerleader Not Troll (talk) 00:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to troll, troll CWC. If you don't know who that is, educate yourself Tyrannis (talk) 00:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * trolling is getting boring. Cheerleader Not Troll (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Then your user-name is true.Tyrannis (talk) 00:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh my phoquing Christian Weston Chandler, randomed-up to semen, I will never unsee this. I don't know what this is,  i don't what to know anymore about this CWC. Damn you Tyrannis! Alain (talk) 01:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That is why I don't drink Fanta. Tyrannis (talk) 11:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

A commercial for Glenn Beck's new novel
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-overton-window-ad-try-no This is perhaps the most confusing commercial ever conceived of by man.Ryantherebel (talk) 22:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't get it. Nice poem, of course. But if you want good poetry with animated text, Tim Minchin's Storm surely tops it by far. 00:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Never saw a commercial for a book before--Thanatos (talk) 00:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen a few (including but not limited to Dianetics.) They're usually for known authors with previous best sellers, but not for uber-authors like Stephen King or John Grisham, would could publish collections of Etruscan poetry and sell 200,000 copies in hardback. MDB (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe Beck had the misfortune to contract a video guy who had recently received a copy of LiveType/Motion for his birthday and really wanted to try out some of the zomg cool features, even if ended up mixing a reasonably complex poem with highly distracting visuals. He could have been more successful in obliterating the poem if the backdrop was a bunch of topless cheerleaders on a trampoline. ConcernedResident  omg ponies!!! 12:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Username suggestions
Odd, I tried to sign up at IGN, but my username is already taken (not by me it seems), but fortunately IGN can suggest some other usernames for me. I presume they've already profiled me, as the top suggestion is "SpasticCrundy". Wtf? 08:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I may steal the name Spastic Crundy for my imaginary career as a trumpet player in a jazz band. ConcernedResident  Fightin' round the world 08:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I note "ChunkyCrundy" is there too. That seems the most accurate (after spastic) 09:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Help, please.
When I tried to change my email address via "my preferences" I managed to misspell it (?) so didn't get the confirmatory email and now am stuck. Which of you incredibly gifted, techie people can help me reset my email or otherwise solve my problem?? Pretty please?? RagTop Gone sailing 11:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Pop over to RationalWiki:Technical support. I think one of the tech goblins will be able to look at that. ConcernedResident  Fightin' round the world 11:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks, will do. RagTop Gone sailing 11:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)