User talk:Human/Archive27

Sitcom
Are you still into the idea of writing the sitcom? I've got some ideas I've been going over in my head. I believe the basic approach for such things is to write one pilot episode introducing the characters and storyline, so the idea of putting together a series of plot synopses would be getting ahead of ourselves (though it's always good to think ahead about how sustainable a premise like this is; Andy supplies us with all sorts of material, thankfully). Anyway, let me know. DickTurpis 16:10, 1 March 2009 (EST)

Truce?
Okay, so that hiatus for a day had more to do with outside forces than this website. I still respect the hell out of you (afterall, you showed me the ropes here and here). I'd like to call a truce.The Goonie 1 00:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe, was there a war? 00:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Bull toss
In this section, you said the word was "cogida", but a dictionary check tells me that that's the word for when the bull gores the bullfighter. While looking for it, though, I found the Bullfighting Glossary which tells me that the air-toss is called "voltereta". Not exactly easier to remember, so you might want to create Template:Bulltoss or something for it if you wanna use it more often :P --Sid 12:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cogida was what I was trying to remember. OK, gored, not just tossed.  Btw, it's pronounced "cohia".  Thanks!  20:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Retro phoning
If you're in to retro phones, I've had an idea for a little cottage industry that I've always thought could be a nice little earner for someone. If you could design and build a little circuit board that did one or both of converting pulse dialling in to DTMF and/or buffered a pulse dialled number and emitted it on a serial port as an ATDT command, I reckon you could make two or three sales a month pretty much for life and no effort. There are so many people that want to do things like have pulse dialled mobile phones and such like, but most of them don't have the expertise to do it. Just one of the half million business ideas I have knocking around in my head that I never have time to do. -- 20:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can readily buy, oh, what are they called? Network interfaces?  Something like that.  People sell (offer) refurbed old phones on eBay all the time for $250-300, all polished up, new cords, etc, and compatible with modern phone networks.  Not sure if they bother with the pulse/tone buffering, though, since in the US at least, the phone companies have had to remain backwards compatible to pulse dialling (you know, for the eight people still renting their 60s phone from Ma bell ;))  20:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

trans-wiki-map help
Timsh : aSK :: ? : RW :: ? : CP. I forget. Sterile 02:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My brain actually imploded a little while ago trying to keep track of teh multiple identities of the same people. Wasn't there a TimS on CP?  I guess you could always just ask (!) him on his talk page?  02:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah,yes. It is TimS, which is supplanted on ask.  I may need to talk to him.  Sterile 02:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad that helped (slightly). Maybe we need to build a grid somewhere to match up IDs... RW:who's who, linked from the wigo headers?  02:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * With TK's RW incarnations & Ken's omnipresence, it'd grow like Topsy. 03:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point, but it would be fun to have, wouldn't it? 04:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I humbly present my apologies
You were right. Yorick 07:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your humble apology is unnecessary but appreciated, and of course accepted ;) No big deal, it was an odd-looking sentence. 21:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Cluelessly done
I think I fill up most of the uses of "clue" and "clueless" on CP that may fit the description of usage onto that page. Please check for repeats as well. The section Others catching on has 2 section, before Andy first use it and after Andy first uses it. Notice the pattern. Before Andy it's mostly "haven't a clue" or "have no clue". 13:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks K! 22:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it the morning after, already? Wait, weren't there two nights of the blunt knives? I was stabbed in the second wave as well. Carry on folks. Human can clear up on Sunday. 13:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am down with more party. Wanna scotch Genghis? Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 13:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * NotBK was earlier in the week - this was the 5/20-21 party celebrating the renaissance of RationalWiki 2.0 in 2007. 22:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Vampirekin
They're bloodsuckers, that's all. They get energy (which I take to mean protein) from it. Simple. -- 17:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What kind of blood? 00:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Any kind they can get their hands on. Don't worry, though- they are extraordinary careful not to cause harm to either donor or donee. -- 17:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And they don't think they are vampires. Though I think a few are photosensitive. And they most certainly will die with a stake through the back. -- 17:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Experimental evidence is required to confirm your hypothesis. --Kels 17:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about the stake, that would kill just about anything. -- 17:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you volunteering to be in the control group? --Kels 17:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You find a vampirekin willing to be staked and you can stake them, okay? -- 17:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they are just anemic. Iron pills with OJ work well, as do dark green leafy vegetables ;)  18:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's probably it. -- 18:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Ancient Goth: Someone who overthrew the Roman Empire. Modern Goth: A vegan pretending to be a vampire." --Kels 18:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's funny. 21:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Supper
Go for the Quesadillas. Can't go wrong with Mexican. --Kels 03:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Leaning that way... just not decided yet. But if yours is the only vote, I will honor it absolutely!  03:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Mexican it is, then. Thank you for making up my mind.   04:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * MMMMmmm it's all yummy in my tummy now. Thanks, Kels, good call.  05:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Since you noticed that I am working on...
CP: 5 Questions to Ask an Anti-Conservative, answered, mind If I put it into CP space for further public collaboration? 22:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I guess not... but you should delete everything under gun/alcohol control sine there isn't any real content there. Let someone else fill that in. By the way, I take a much more casual attitude to what is in the CP space as opposed to the mainspace.  00:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Cheetah intro
Thanx. -- 19:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Sometimes it's easier to see the forest from a distance.  19:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Speakers
Do you have any speakers you would recommend for me to attatch to my laptop? The ones I see on your site seem oriented towards music/TV, or car stereo systems, rather than computers. 03:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, what do you plan to play through them? Speakers are speakers, really.  Is this for a "docked" location, like when you're home and all plugged in?  My general recommendation is to plug your audio output into a cheap/used receiver or whatever for amplification, then use as much speaker as you need.  You can also set yourself up to plug the laptop sound output into whatever audio system you run at home, of course.  How much do you want to spend, and what's your Visa number? ;)  03:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I will be playing mostly "normal" computer sounds, video games, youtube music videos, that sort of stuff
 * Usually likely to be a docked location, although I would perfer a lighter speaker system so I can move around (college and all)
 * The sound system at home is currently a Bose, I don't know what type. I doubt my folks would ever let me take it anywhere. 04:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think what most people in your situation are happy with are powered two or three piece systems. I have no idea what to recommend in that vein, although most of them aren't very heavy or bulky.  Obviously you aren't going to get real "hi fi", but you probably aren't looking for that, just some halfway decent sound that is easy to plug into.  05:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hot l Baltimore
Indeed, is good. On another note - I cant wait until CUR wakes up, he is gonna love the new changes. And the sluts. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 02:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad you like. I was one of the three devoted loyal fans of that show, at the ripe old age of 15.  I worshipped it.  Then they cancelled it, the fucks.  It was the divest bar on US TV at the time.  Of course, then there was Fernwood Tonight and America Tonight, the kind of shows where a local lounge singer would get married on-air and be serenaded by Tom Waits (!) singing "Better Off Not Married"... ah, the good old days... And yah, Arthur will be so impressed!  04:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Look. You want to hang out at a slummy bar, that's what the dive bar is for. Leave my place alone. -- 14:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "Your place"? Since when did you acquire sole control of the RW namespace?  You want control, move it to, or make it in, your userspace.  18:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see that appears to have happened... 18:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Fossils
Thanks for the clear-up on the featured article mistake of mine. There was just one image caption I tweaked at Fossil. Capitalization is usually given to genus names always, while species names are always lowercase. For example: Tyrannosaurus rex T. rex The binomial name when written in short, reads as the first capital letter of the genus (in this case T. for tyrannosaurus), and the lowercase for the particular species (in this case, rex, not Rex. You would never see an article on tyrannosaurus (although, tyrannosaurs are completely different), as the genus name isn't capitalized as it is supposed to be. Hope this clears up any confusion!

It's great to hear that you father was a fossil collector too! Just curious, are you also a fossil collector like him? I myself have been collecting since I was 12, but I've never been out of country for fossil hunting, except if you count Chile (before the export ban on fossils). I collect fossils from basically every major group, although the bulk of my collection (like 90%) is mostly shark teeth. I have stuff from Chile, Argentina, Peru, Morocco, England, various U.S. states, and the Netherlands. I'll try to upload them as I expand the evolution section of the shark page. I plan on including the lineages of all major shark species, of course that would require me to delve into my vast collection of scientic articles, something I absolutely despise since I have no table of contents nor any way to find a specific article. I just have to go through every single one until I find them. I think I've been rambling on just a tad bit much. I just got home now after seeing Land of the Lost, but I digress......

P.S. Thanks for the welcome! -- Beishanlong  grandis 03:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I know the capping/itals scheme, but since you caught one I mucked up I thought I might have screwed up another.
 * Anyway, yeah, he isn't "was", he still "is" ;) I am too, but sadly I live in New England, one big hunk of granite, basically.  Not much fun chasing fossils in igneous rock!  Although, there is a marble outcrop in VT (Proctor).  The "bamboo/fern" fossil pic is one I found as a kid in Wales and brought over with me.  I used to have a half decent chunk of ammonite, but it got broken.  I remember checking out 12" across ammonites in a shelf of cliff at some seaside beach place as a young punk.  Of course, the holy grail is to have a nice trilobite fossil!  Surprised you don't want to move to the Dakotas (is it?) where dinosaur alley is located.  Oh, and one last minor thing, most of us here prefer to continue conversations where they started - since I edited your talk page, it's on my watchlist, I'd see any reply there.  No big deal.  Oh, and one last more last thing, you're welcome!  Nice to have you here. Ideally, you'll apply your knowledge and resources to improve articles that directly argue against YEC and anti-science stuff, but as long as you have fun here, that's all that matters.  03:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Whale shark tooth image
I noticed your image on the article. I hate to make quivers out of anything, as I feel stupid doing so, but I have to say that that tooth isn't a whale shark tooth. I can't link to the specific page of Elasmo, but here are some images from the website that show a whale shark (Rhincodon) tooth:


 * 
 * 
 * There teeth are actually very small (millimeters)

Just thought that I should mention it. BTW, while I can't positively identify the genus, I can say for certain that it is most likely as a possible Carcharocles/Carcharodon tooth. The absence of the most of the tooth, the weathering of the serrations, and the smoothness/polished look make the ID tentative. If its OK with you, I'll change the caption to reflect this. You can still leave it in its respective articles though. Thanks! -- Beishanlong  grandis 03:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (also also, when adding a new section, if you use the "add new section" thing, you won't EC people editing sections above ;)) 03:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I first listed it at the fossil page as "unknown shark", but I thought I had clarified with my dad that is was a whale shark (he gave it to me, along with most of those - do you like my centimeter ruler I made?). Feel free to correct the caption at shark if you can.  03:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll go and upload some of my shark teeth tomorrow, although, I take crappy take pictures, I'll think I'll do good with the camera. -- Beishanlong  grandis 03:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Fuck ass bone bitch asshole herpes
""Insightful" is a word about getting at the truth, something that conservatives actively seek while many liberals prefer deceit or self-worship instead." 

Andy, your clogs are so stuck up your anus you forgot to trade pleasure for leisure.

New: "Your call. Honestly, I don't see an argument that either one is conservative, so it's fine with me if they are simply removed.--Andy Schlafly 21:50, 8 June 2009 (EDT)"

Yeah, reality according to Andy. &mdash; Unsigned, by: Human / talk / contribs Whoopsie! thanks. 05:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Syphilis
Just trying to scare the noobs away. 05:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Slapping mission tags all over the place
Right. I've noticed that you (and it is you) are slapping mission tags on categories. That's rather foolish. Firstly, a category, when deleted, only makes a large number of red-links appear all over the wiki. That's bad. Second, trying to delete Category:Cosmology because it doesn't make sense is pretty much saying that if you don't understand it, it must be pointless to have on the wiki.

I would also like to address slapping mission tags on articles. Your job is not to be a one-man police force, finding articles that do not belong here and removing them in the name of goat, especially when you make music articles that have absolutely nothing to do with our mission. Musical activism doesn't qualify someone to have an article; if it did, we would have an article on over six hundred musicians.

I noted that you deleted Spore. Two people (Kels and you) is not a consensus. You didn't even put it up for AfD. You just deleted it. This is unfortunately exactly what Armondikov was talking about, see here.

I would suggest seriously thinking about your behavior when it comes to AfD. I know your intentions are well, but all too often you stick the tag on a well-meaning article that has some relevence to our mission. -- 17:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Arthur, those notices were placed there before you joined the site, they were probably forgotten there. And saying that Category:Cosmology does not make sense doesn't mean that one does not understand cosmology, it means that one doubts such a category is useful (for example, if we have only have one article on Cosmology, and the cat is only placed on that one article, the cat doesn't make sense). Second, to delete a category does not mean to delete the page only and leave redlinks, it means to remove pages from the category.
 * As for the overzealous mission tagging, Armondikov does have a point, but this isn't the place for that discussion, and it also doesn't mean that we must accept every shitty article you write when PH promises to make you a sysop if you contribute --  Nx / talk 18:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, so he's pissing on Human for deleting articles (the Spore article was garbage, BTW) without consensus, as part of his attempt to get back sysopship which was promised without consensus by PH on a different wiki? Arthur, fucking quit it, already.  You want to get in people's good books?  THINK, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.  Doing crap like this without thinking it through first and hoping people don't notice is why people think you're a waste of time. --Kels 18:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As it happens, I wasn't actually thinking about sysopship at all, because I know very well I won't get it. -- 20:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, so I will deign to bother to reply to Arthur's "points"...


 * Why is putting mission or delete tags on cats a problem? (Your reason doesn't actually make any sense)
 * Again, what is wrong with "slapping mission tags on articles"? It prompts discussion, and sometimes improvement.  It doesn't break anything, or cost anyone any money.  To get an article past mission/delete tagging all one has to do is convince whoever in the mob cares that the item in question is worthwhile.
 * I'm glad you're here to tell me what my "job" is.
 * Spore was a badly written stub about a game. I almost didn't even bother to go to the talk page, it was so worthless.  Why are you arguing here about me taking out the trash, and not on its talk page?  Oh, that comment goes for pretty much every other gripe you are making above.  Make your arguments pro/con on the respective talk pages, not on mine.
 * Arthur, I would suggest seriously thinking about your behavior when it comes to (insert whatever mess you are making today). I know your intentions are well good, but all too often you fail.

Is the issue that each of the above was something you "created"? If that's the case, I hope you've done some better work elsewhere. Whatever tagging or deleting I did was based on content, not authorship. Now go back to your room. 19:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that's not the case. -- 20:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Why is putting mission or delete tags on cats a problem? (Your reason doesn't actually make any sense) Because deleting a category is pointless. They are supposed to help people find their way around. If the category is actually a category (not one article, and all linked together by something common), then deleting it is counterproductive.
 * Again, what is wrong with "slapping mission tags on articles"? It prompts discussion, and sometimes improvement.  It doesn't break anything, or cost anyone any money.  To get an article past mission/delete tagging all one has to do is convince whoever in the mob cares that the item in question is worthwhile. If you want an article improved, a much better idea would be to either improve it yourself, or make suggestionments.
 * I'm glad you're here to tell me what my "job" is. I'm not here to tell you what it is, I'm just telling you that, last time I checked, the duty of a sysop and crat was not to go around patrolling every newly made article.
 * Spore was a badly written stub about a game. I almost didn't even bother to go to the talk page, it was so worthless.  Why are you arguing here about me taking out the trash, and not on its talk page?  Oh, that comment goes for pretty much every other gripe you are making above.  Make your arguments pro/con on the respective talk pages, not on mine. Because you are overzelous. I used Spore as an example, not as a rule.
 * Arthur, I would suggest seriously thinking about your behavior when it comes to (insert whatever mess you are making today). I know your intentions are well good, but all too often you fail. Well that's nice of you.
 * Arthur, I would suggest seriously thinking about your behavior when it comes to (insert whatever mess you are making today). I know your intentions are well good, but all too often you fail. Well that's nice of you.

-- 20:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Because deleting a category is pointless. They are supposed to help people find their way around. If the category is actually a category (not one article, and all linked together by something common), then deleting it is counterproductive. - deleting a category that dilutes rather than strengthens is productive.
 * If you want an article improved, a much better idea would be to either improve it yourself, or make suggestionments. - I do that a lot, twerp. I also help people like you massage poor writing into decent additions (see ocean).  But if something is apparently off-mission or pointless, the direction is either delete or for someone who cares about the topic to fix it up/argue for its survival.  Also, it seems that most of the "slapping" you are whining about happened nine months ago...
 * I'm not here to tell you what it is, I'm just telling you that, last time I checked, the duty of a sysop and crat was not to go around patrolling every newly made article. - Actually, in a sense, that's everyone's "duty" - that's how wikis work. People go around looking at things, often starting at RC or an unfamiliar link, and read/improve/comment, etc.
 * Because you are overzelous. I used Spore as an example, not as a rule. - Probably the poorest example possible. "Overzealous" might require a real example.

It seems to me that you mostly trying to pick a pointless fight with me, picking up in some cases ancient battles between me and others that are long-resolved, and I don't see why. You come to my talk page and rant about a handful of fairly unrelated, and in some cases, as mentioned, very old, issues because why? You think I am destroying the wiki, or whatever it was you said at that inactivity debate? "Hanging out only on talk pages"? I think you are mostly just wasting my time with your whining. 20:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ooooh you're such a bad little boy!!!
 * To his credit, isn't he doing such a fantastic job of proving he's not a troll? --Kels 21:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think its amazing. I have never seen someone troll so heavily while trying not to be a troll. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 21:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Some other topic MC cares about
Methinks ye are debating the entirely wrong issues. First and foremost you should seriously argue whether a bunch of 14 year olds in basements and older-unemployed-types can really be the representatives of 'rationalism' on the web. Whomever takes on that issue is very worthy of respect.

Secondly you should drop the certainty in your belief that you lot are always right, or that you all buy into a 100% correct ideological system. Socrates hit the nail on the head with his 'I know I know nothing' thing. Give that a go. MarcusCicero 19:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Trying to see how many fallacies and non-sequiturs you can toss into a single post, eh? All you gotta do is make one simple leap beyond Socrates and accept the notion that "all idea are wrong, but some are more wrong than others" and you can derive pretty quickly how best to separate ideas into degrees of wrongness. A few hints: empirical observation, prediction, and controls are all big elements. However, if you are bound and determined to embrace pseudo-solipsism as your personal metaphysics there is not much anyone can do about it. tmtoulouse 19:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Just thinking aloud. Not intended to be a philosophical discussion. I just question the level of certainty that internet types give to their professed belief's. Life tends to show that pre-conceived ideological boxes rarely hold up in real situations. MarcusCicero 20:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you will find that most of our good articles advocate analysis of evidence, and skepticism. Mostly we focus on showing why certain ideas are wrong, based on absence of evidence, and contradictory evidence. I think certainty in the "wrongness" of an idea is very different from certainty in the "rightness" of an idea. Several of our articles do try and make positive claims, and offer support for those claims. For example, our common descent article is making a positive claim, by saying the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor or a particularly theory, and contradictory to some of the more "popular" alternative explanations. All of this seems pretty inline with rational discourse to me. tmtoulouse 20:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This is irrelevant. Of course there are a couple of 'landmark' webpages on rationalwiki. Even Mugabe can point to a 'few' formerly white owned farms now in productive use. Still doesn't mean the underlying system stinks. Most of the intellectual stimulation on this website revolves around bitter debates about categories and templates. And a few unfunny 'witticisms'. John Locke ye are not. MarcusCicero 22:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, sounds like you are merely seeking out what you want to find, there is plenty of good material I can point to on this site. If you choose to focus on meta-issues involving wiki formatting so be it. It is easy to discount your criticism at this point. tmtoulouse 22:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Provide a list of articles created in the last three weeks which deals with meaningful topics in an intelligent 'rational' way. I think you'll find most edits in this place are lame 'putdowns' of people with religious beliefs or boring clashes over boring editorial issues such as the one above. MarcusCicero 22:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Accepting your argument to be true, which for the record it isn't, then why are you here MC? If we're the biggest losers on the planet, what does that make you?  22:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Loser MC, check out the work on common descent. Or be a real human and tell us where your little sekrit laughing forum where you're so smart is?  07:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Have I ever, anywere, claimed I am more intelligent than anyone else here? Can you provide one example? The fact is that you come up with the idea that I'm arrogant and believe I'm more intelligent to anyone here. Fact is that I'm not. I know the limitations of my intelligence and am very aware of my own ignorance. I just find it fun pointing it out to people... who are not. MarcusCicero 08:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not say you were, or think you are "intelligent". I asked you where the place where you play at being so "smart" - laughing at, and mocking others, is.   08:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Eh... Right. I'm not sure what you typed makes sense even in the most charitable, abstract level. MarcusCicero 08:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it was pretty clear. To rephrase: "You are not intelligent.  Under which bridge do you and your troll buddies hang out and compliment each other?" Hope that was helpful. -- 09:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * For someone who 'fails' so badly at trolling, I seem to have got Arcan's back up pretty bad. 86.45.200.112 12:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? I was just translating what human said. That's how bad you are at this - you can't even read your marks properly. I honestly don't care a lick about you, though I do wish you were more interesting. I think this was a good learning experience for you though, but you're on your own now. Hope our chats have helped! -- 12:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Email
I have sent a fairly unimportant but nonetheless riverting email. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 05:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, was that really you? Sorry, I replied as if it were Some Conservapedia Fuckwad.  I will now give it it's due.  05:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah sorry for the confusion, I emailed from my home email addy. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 05:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotta love trans europe express. and whacking ya fiancee round the head. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 06:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No harm done, you see how fucking cool I am when I think I'm being trolled, eh? So fucking cool.  But yeah, I stopped being a loser after the seventh name-dropping and stuff.  So I'm not a complete loser.

Our Father,

Who art in Heaven,

Hallowed be thy Name...

Awesome brilliant genuine crystals! Call now! 06:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * er fucking what? Name dropping? Been licking toads again? Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 07:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmmmm.... toads.... Lick an MC, it's tasty, though not as good as dandelions... 07:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fucking MC, that guy is a fucknuckle who fondles the space where his penis used to be. Then the prick suggested I had penis envy. To think I would be envious of empty space. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 07:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw, don't waste the tasty phrase "fuckknuckle" on a twit like MC... 07:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You have no idea how flattering it is to be talked of outside of RW. This makes me feel special. MarcusCicero 08:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call the above insults "be[ing] talked of outside of RW". You were just the fuck knuckle du jour, really.  We could just as easily have been talking about FuckCURknuckleArthurPede.  Same difference.   08:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What an interesting sequence of consonants in "fuckknuckle". 18:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposal
Since you and I were dueling about pseudoscience, bullshit, and stuff that isn't quite fully bullshit or pseudoscience, but is used to promote such (such as chiropractics), I propose we create a "Minotaur" template for stuff that is only half bullshit (like chiropractic). Let me know what you think.The Goonie 1 07:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you made me laugh, that's for sure! Really, what we need to do is kill both those templates, though, isn't it?  08:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PS, I note we are edit warring on "really embarrrrrassssing liberals". Any thoughts?  08:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I made a compromise I think we can both enjoy. You'd like it, because we keep Gaian THeory under embarrassing liberals.  I like it, because it's no longer batshit vrazy (it's religious antics for New Age), and because it lets me poke fun at myself (which I like to do now and then).The Goonie 1 08:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you then deleted it, or I re-added it. Most likely the latter.  I think your idea was a good one, I have often said user:human thinks some tripe in articles. I will chase my contribs and make sure I didn't double-up your thing there.  08:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I figured that if that belief is going to be crazy, then I should at least admit, then, that I am part of the madness.  Just how I work, I guessThe Goonie 1 08:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one who can see an inverse Ed Poor type in Human? Think that one over for a second. MarcusCicero 08:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "Inverse"? I have endlessly mocked myself for being the Ed Poor of this site.  What's your point?  08:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I was going to send you a very important email
I was going to send you a very important email but thought better of it and didn't. Just so you will not be surprised when you don't receive it. 08:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I wondered what that wasn't all about. 21:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Feedback Requested
I would like your feedback on the next revision to the Gaian Hypothesis article. It can be found at User:Gooniepunk2005/sandbox. Leave your feed back and revisions there. ThanksThe Goonie 1 05:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll get back to you tomorrow, but it's looking a lot better? 05:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Cheers
For taking a look-see at my signature talk link. Hopefully it's not so fucked anymore. Also, I left a comment on the Homosexuality in Schools talk page, I suggested it be moved to the homosexuality article and be re-written seriously. Cheers Huw! 12:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think your sig is all better now, I previewed a bunch of different versions somewhere, at least til I got to the one I edited, and all was well. I commented further at talk:H in S. 21:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Removing edit
It is still on all the intermediate histories. Do you want to remove each to hide from sysop? 01:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay I got it, but I can't hide it from sysops so everyone that uses this site can still see it. 01:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess that's life. We did what we could, and it was fucking lame that I had to do it after people yacked and yammered all day.  Ace desysopped the poster of the link without a trial, which was amusing but maybe not the best way to fully enjoy HCM.  What do you mean by "intermediate histories"?  Does that mean my delinking edit?  Did I have the option to "hide from sysops" as a crat?  If so, I'll do it.  Thanks for trying to help me do this properly.   02:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * So I saw the zillion edits you had to hide, was that because each one contained the original post? I hope I will have time to forget how to do this after you explain it to me, but would you please explain it to me?  Thanks, in Crisco, and goatspeed.  02:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically each time you save you store a version of the page with all the text on it. To hide a particular block of text you will need to remove it and hide the revisions that contain it (I think I have never tried to hide the most current revision, although that in theory should get rid of it). Ironically Fall down is the one to ask, as he is the only person I have ever seen do it successfully. A lot of people make the mistake of removing content and then hiding there own revision which does not contain the text. 02:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Have a look at my sandbox logged in and logged out. 02:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, so each subsequent ediot (I like that typo) "re-saved" it? Then you had to hide all them?  How did you do it without deleting them?  Because when I first saw that embarrassment it was 15 or so edits in... PS, where's your sandbox?  It ain't here.  03:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Here. 03:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I got nothing. But then, all I did was hit a bunch of keys and "r".  I could see the rev you deleted in the history, and read it when logged in.  But please explain to me what you did at talk:wigo to fix the mess?  03:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

<-- Did you mark all the later revisions "hide from sysops" but not "delete"? 03:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't seem to be able to mark them hide from sysop anymore. 03:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh well, we/you did the best we/you could. At least it's not visible to casual passers-by.  03:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And TK most certainly can't see it as he would have to be an admin at a vandal site. 03:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I award you some Mr. T for unmaking the link. Corry 03:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have any Mr. T to dole out, but good job on removing that tripe. Judging by this talk section it was a huge pain in the ass, so thanks. --PitchBlackMind 04:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Very impressed with your ethics and actions, especially after all the crap he's thrown your way - if the shoe was on the other foot, seriously doubt he would have removed link. I give you hug. :-) Refugee talk page 05:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for hug, if it was for me. It was the right thing to do, even an atheist knows that!  05:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes the hug was for you! Refugee talk page 05:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you again then :)  06:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * TK has at least one sysop sock on here. tmtoulouse 05:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How hard would it be? Sign up, make a few edits, get sysopped. (Hell, I said a while back, any of us could have five sysop socks in as many days if we wanted to.  In fact, I forget who it was, but for some reason - oh, they desysopped themself - was not a sysop but they had a sock that was...) How do you actually know?  Server logs and creepy IP tracking? Or just deductive logic?  05:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, one of his "known" socks back in the days that he was trolling us more actively got demoted. I think I actually did it. I had forgotten it was him, and was reminded in e-mail, but by then said who cares? tmtoulouse 05:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. And like you say, who cares? It's not like he's gonna block himself of CP for being a Senior Administrator at a Known Vandal Site!  06:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I Love IT
I allowed you ample time to criticize the article whike it's under development, but no. Instead, you stoop to underhanded name calling bullshit AFTER I post the new article. If you wanted to be constructive, you should've rolled those critiques out BEFORE hand so I could've done more research. But no. Whatever.The Goonie 1 03:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wiki article writing is an on going process, not a definitive thing. Why not adjust the article now, or discuss it on the talkpage? Besides what you have described is a lot like peer review, you write and article and only afterwards you get told what is wrong with it, so you make amendments and resubmit. It is tough that way. 03:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Goonie, on a wiki you don't get to "build an article" and present it as a "finished product". I have critiqued, endlessly, some of the "arguments" presented for the hypothesis, most of which fail at basic science and history.  Feel free to present the "positive case" for the gaia thing, but understand that it will be relentlessly mauled for the pseudo/failed science/woo that it is. You can always do more research.  You don't need me to tell you to.  But the carbon thing is fucking lame.  So is the whole hypothesis - it's "failed science" and I would expect our article to express that.  Hell, if I, an amateur, can debunk the support for it without even trying, odds are it's just woo.  As in in "woo, the Earth is our mother and is a living organism with self-regulating processes just like us!" Dude, your concept of how to write a "pet article" on a wiki needs to expand a bit, since, as a wiki, others will edit it.  And "improve" it.  If you want to write about this where you won't be contradicted, we do have our free and open essay space, and we also have the debate space if you want to start a discussion on a topic.  But the mainspace is a free for all, and expected to hold up to certain "rational" standards.  03:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I get it. But when I ask for feedback, don't get it, and then get ridiculed after I wanted some good feedback that I didn't get while making the article that would've helped, I get a little annoyed.  I could care less about the Gaian Hypothesis itself.  Truth be told, all the shit I need (raw data) is soooo goddamn hard to find that working on this article has just become a nightmare.  It's noth that it doesn't exist, it's just that obtaining anything that could really help me is either out of print or hard to come by.  I've had to create most of my own conclusions and try (unsuccessfully most of the time) to explain them.  But then to have people almost take it to the personal level just because I can't obtain an original copy of the hypothesis statement (as the paper is hard to come by), or any of the original explanations that aren't copied from wikipedia (the book containing them is out of print), is just frustrating as all goddamn hell!!!The Goonie 1 06:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Might that paper and book be housed in a decent Uni library? What are they called?  I might be able to track them down at UNH with my fancy library card.  19:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The book, circa 1979, is titled "The Quest For Gaia." The original paper was published in New Scientist magazine the same year, and is simply entitled "The Gaia Conjecture."  Good luck finding them, if you can.  Like I said, I have pretty much given up on caring about that article, since I am just sick of looking for actual scientific research and actual scientifically-backed criticism.  All I have found is opinions for and against, which doesn't help anything.The Goonie 1 06:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks. NS ought to be easy to find, the book, who knows?  I'm sorry and I think I know where you were coming from with the article, trouble is since you weren't debunking, it made you look like you were supporting.  However, I think it's not that bad right now.  Off to chase stuff at library...  06:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

http://encore.unh.edu/iii/encore/search/C|SGaia|Orightresult|U1?lang=eng&suite=def

What do you want me to get and read/get refs from? (Hopefully that link does not require a log in cookie) 06:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

http://encore.unh.edu/iii/encore/record/C|Rb2480756|Sscientists+debate+gaia|Orightresult?lang=eng&suite=def

Hmmmm... 06:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
I wondered when somebody was going to do this. Thank you for being predictable. Rpeh 07:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But you were so obvious... 07:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

07:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Footnotes/References
When the hell did this happen? I thought we hashed it out that they should be references and not footnotes.... We had a bot that changed them all over....... note, this is not real anger 07:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * RA and I made a secret pact, and agreed that all should be "footnotes" in spite of all other acclaims. Then Trent wrote a bot that started at A, and RA started at Z, an verily at M or so did they meet, the machine and the man, both exhausted, but neither truly dead.  07:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see...Ok, no I don't, but to put it in simple terms, use footnotes from now on instead of references right? 07:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yah, exactly. Per the manual of style that we never adopted.  RA won that minor battle before pissing off.  07:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I pretty much stopped trying to follow things around here, I just sit back and enjoy it these days... At least we have several unique personalities... When I first signed up we had like 8 people, all with 5 different usernames....  On another note altogether, what was with these two edits more specifically, the edit summary?  07:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. removed absurd and useless quote thing by K12345. 2. Never comfortable editing such a title given my lily pinkish green skin, is all.  08:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Na-haha!
I've farted in your userspace. Sorry. 16:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that what that was? Man, what did you have for lunch?  19:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Scotch eggs, mate! My housemates are trying to rent my room to someone else! 19:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Quick question..
Hoping you could help me here. Being new to this site (and fairly new to editing wikis in general), what's the proper way to handle stuff like this and this? Both of these are basically trash, but I don't know whether to just outright delete them, edit them myself, or recommend that s/he does so. I actually went with the third one, but both articles still stand as is, and the user might have signed off. What to do, what to do...--PitchBlackMind 01:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The first one is gone, and second will be soon. The "gentle" approach is to bring up the problem on the talk page.  Slightly harsher, and more noticeable, is to add the delete template (type  ) to the page and give your reasons on the talk page.  Another way to get things fixed is to do what you did, ask other users on their talk pages.  Also, you could use the "intercom" to send a sitewide message if you think something needs rapid, multi-user attention.  02:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Right on, thanks for the tips. I didn't know about the delete template, that helps. --PitchBlackMind 03:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha!
Sent this to PitchBlackMind instead of you. Only the FSM knows why:

The crucifixion is the most interesting part about the whole mythology of Jesus. Was born and raised a Catholic, so me and my friends spent many a lunchtime in school trying to keep our lunches down in the canteen while trying not to look at the huge, "lifelike", twelve foot crucifix on the wall, complete with agonized facial expression, ribbons of blood running down the Jesus man's slashed arms, the crown of thorns (one thorn sticking in his eye) and so on. I love the religion pages on here. Hope I can do my best to add a little extra detail here and there.

Still getting to grips with the Wiki tech, should hopefully have it licked by the end of next year (JK!). Moiph 15:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, hope you pick up the "techniques" you need and have more fun reading and adding to the religion articles! 20:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Pibot
No fair, it took me ages to write that. Oh well, I suppose I could reuse the code for something useful now I know how to extract usernames. 00:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw... I just wanted to stop it before it got to me. I hope you were only running it on sysops? 00:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is easy to extract every user name, but getting one group takes a bit of work. I was just happy I got it to work. I'll save it for a special occasion. 00:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * At least you got the "proof of function" before I spat a fly in the bot's soup. I saw you resopped it, so I don't have to. 01:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Tingle...
My CUR sense is tingling.... Ace McWickedi9 23:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * One thing's for sure, we're being trolled, and hard. Bottle stations!  23:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, theres one in particular who is CUR and/or TK like in style. Ace McWickedi9 23:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Me? Hehe... 23:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Monty Python...
I was looking at the Monty Python page (they're t'riffic aren't they?) and found that you (probably, I didn't check but I'm asking you) linked to this guy's Myspace page. Is that really Andy Schlafly's son? 20:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I added it, and I guess it is "probably" his son. 21:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

A question regarding legends from the swirling mists of antiquity.
Here's a question about TK- he supposedly trolled the hotornot forums to death, and I have no difficulty believing that he could poison any mode of discussion. But the hotornot forums? Really? I didn't even know that that webpage had words except for "next" and "prev." I realize that some former moderators check up on him and drop a line here every now and again, and I believe them, but it seems like a bizarre place to troll with success, at least with the ostracize and conquer method that is his signature. Corry 03:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you ever looked at the forums there? I did, and apparently a lot of people take it really SRSLY, get people to upload pics to prove they're real, etc.  So it is, in the background at least, a "vibrant community" (A community of vanity worshippers, but still...).  I have no idea where to find the evidence, however.  03:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Why the rollback on my stuff on authorship of Mark?
May I ask why you rolled back my Mark stuff in Authorship of the New Testament? If I don't hear from you soon I will assume it was an accident and recover it. Thanks. zieber 05:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmm I wondered that when I saw it. I'd glanced at it & it seemed OK to me. What was wrong with it? 05:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: Was it copied from somewhere & H sourced it? 05:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I wrote it myself. Is there an easy way to unroll or should I recover from my notes? zieber 05:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like a strange accident to me. "Undo"ing or "rollback"ing my edit will restore yours.  Do you want to practice or do you want me to do it?  05:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC) I've dun it. 05:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks good. Thanks.  Carry on. zieber 05:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Trouble is, if you edit on an old revision without being aware, you can inadvertently remove all later ones. I suspect that's what happened? 05:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a very likely explanation. I might have been fixing a typo while Z was improving, and saved it after he saved his version.  Sometimes the MW software misses edit conflicts.  05:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Fone died
As usual. Supervise my stop-drinking project. 04:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm with ya bud. Anything I can do (or not do) to help is yours. Just tell me what you need, if anything.  05:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Get Human!
Just thought it an amusing title. 09:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Eagle Forum Live
Hey dude. I just transcribed Conservapedia:Andy Schlafly on Eagle Forum Live/segment 12 and it cuts off abruptly in the middle of Andy saying something and I think there might be some missing audio between segment 12 and 13. Just thought I'd let ya know. 16:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the heads-up. Yeah, Andy gets cut off, but not by us - the announcer jumped in and then there's a commercial break.  It's at about 12:50 in the original if you're curious.  I added a note to that effect after the transcription.  20:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, cheers! 12:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Related note: for the "blathers removed" picture, can you please post the timestamp on those removals? Thanks. 13:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure exactly what you mean? There are marks at 10:00 and 20:00 across the top if that's what you are interested in.  If you want the exact start and stop of each segment (and by default, each muted section) I can dig that out but it will take a little time.  20:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant the time stamps for the segment corresponding to the pictures you uploaded (Or were they the entire clip and you just remove some of the stuff? If so just the stuff you removed for the purpose of the picture).  If they are like Ads, I think I know where they are then (wouldn't it be better to have the ads on the page as well, if we are doing the commentary?).   03:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What I did is took the original mp3s and muted the volume on everything that was not part of the "live" show - mostly EF ads, and announcer saying the name of whoever Phyllis was about to talk to. The ads could very well be covered at PS' page or EF page, but they aren't part of this show, really.  The images show the entire two parts with the junk muted to zero, so you can see the segments if you count carefully. Look at the axis on the top, you'll see these are 25 minutes long.  04:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Tarantallegra
Nope (No spelling problem, although you seem to be right about the connection to the song. Tarantallegra 23:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Dawkins on CBC's The Hour
Riichard Dawkins discusses "The God Delusion" On CBC's "The Hour"

The Goonie 1 21:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe, "I think the gay pride parade will be more interesting than the atheist pride parade..." thanks :). Now back to Mr. Mike!  01:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh?
What happened to Nx? Did he leave because there was a blowup with somebody? Corry 01:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think real life was intruding. It just happened at the same time some other fit was hitting the shan, but had nothing to do with it, IIRC.  01:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was just curious. Corry 01:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, please do excuse me...
I must just go cover my feet. Ace McWickedi9 01:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

For Human, who digs the MJ, and Ace, who digs the Nas
The jam. Dance. Cry. Nas shakes the house. I miss Michael. 07:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

You online?
...'cause I am, and as I just told Ace, I'm back and in need of lulz and e-company. I can haz (sysop) powerz again? TheoryOfPractice 20:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, I'm around here and there, yeah. Ace beat me to the demotion while I was mowing the lawn... Nice to see you around again, hope Africa was fun!  21:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, mowing the lawn. That's so Human. Ace McWickedi9 21:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It needed it... first day without rain in about three weeks. 'S'lush!  I tried mowing some of the 2-3 foot clover in the field, too, but that was a hard slog so fuckit.  21:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This picture...
...belongs to you to change the copyright template. File:Carbon8All.png I don't mean to pester ya, but you crossed your name off the list prematurely. 13:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind.  13:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec) Fixed, it's dual licensed at commons, I also removed the self template, since it's not SusanG's work. Nx (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 18:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Question, since I've never done this before
How does one go about writing a "Fun" article?The Goonie 1 (talk) 03:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Easiest way? Make a red link to the title in preview and click on it. Then try to make it funny ;)  04:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet, thanks for the help, dude. Gotta love cookie dough.The Goonie 1 (talk) 04:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No prob. I added a bit to it, mostly regarding the sectarianism that threatens to tear the church apart...  04:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Request
Hi, I made this request. Tarantallegra (talk) 06:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw. Thanks for the heads up.  06:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Your edit to "scooping"
Excuse me? Blatant sexism? That is a bit harsh. I am not a native speaker and was unaware of how to do it right. I considered using the female version or "(s)he" but thought that because it was something unpleasant happening to the hypothetical person, it would perhaps not be so important. Thanks for rephrasing, but please note that your comment was quite uncalled for. Btw, the last sentence that you added is true from a purely progress of science perspective, but real life scientists such as myself find it less easy to see it in that relaxed manner, especially if you are not yet tenured...Mintman (talk) 20:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that phrase in the edit comment was supposed to be a joke, since all I was doing was neutering the hes and hims and stuff. I was pretending to have an "over the top" PC reaction to it, again, sorry if my poor "joke" offended or insulted you.  It was not intentional.  20:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry that I did not detect the joke, might have something to do with lack of sleep at that moment. I was not really insulted but a bit miffed... and thanks again for helping to make the language more neutral. I am very much in favor of this, but know much less well how to do it in English than in my own language! Mintman (talk) 08:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Tumbleweed
It's so quiet around here without CUR. I don't know what to do! I mean, I don't want to go outside/get a life or anything like that, but if this is all there is... 20:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You previously asked me what I was doing here. I can assure you that if I could walk my feeble ass out of this wretched den of decrepit seniors toddling around in white pants stuffed full with shitty Depends diapers I would, and head straight out into the desert to lie down in a hollow and die. But I'm stuck inside with sore feet, a hip that needs replacing, and without cable television or a phone, so what can I do but watch you cretins shit yourselves over Conservapedia. Go outside and get a life like you threatened. You'll appreciate my advice one day. Conservapederast (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yaknow what? I'm gonna do that. Cheers. 20:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Stuff I have been working on
Would this belong to a subsection of some other article? 06:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, let me think about it. Obviously it needs a bit of copyediting, but we might have an article it would fit into.  Maybe you should use the intercom and ask "everyone", maybe someone will know a good place?   07:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I did a bunch of copyediting to hopefully make it clearer. I think it's good, and I hope we have a mainspace place it can live.  If not, you might be stuck with the essay space, I guess.  Or debate...?  07:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll ask in the saloon bar then. Thanks.   07:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Question: would a generalized version (The impossibility of validating the authenticity of divine revelation) be better than the original one? If it works better we can have a new article "Divine revelation" or something. Thanks. 18:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to take so long to answer this time. I think you are working up a very interesting argument, but I suspect it might work best as an essay.  Would you be ok with that?  04:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is my take: is the argument fallacious? If it is it's best to put it in essay space (more of a rhetoric/opinion rather than proof).  If not, I would say mainspace works better.  (no, I wouldn't ask for being criticism-free.  Just being fallcy-free should warrant mainspace, no?)   18:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the early versions I read carefully were not fallacious, but that isn't enough to make something a mainspace article. It also has to be "on mission".  If you could add your argument to an article on the topic (revelation?  revelatory religions?  Surely we have something...) then it would work.  There's nothing wrong with putting it in the essay space, it's not some sort of backwater, essays get traffic too ;)  20:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a start of perhaps "Divine revelation" or something (names can be determined later). Should I move it out and let you edit it perhaps?   18:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd say, load it up as divine revelation (link deleted after next comment), add that stuff backing up the theorem as a subsection of the theorem one, and let's see what we can make it into. 22:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch, I missed it. Guess I'll be expanding the article then.   23:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go nuts. I'll try to keep track of your English usage.  Glad you found a "home".  02:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't tell your parents about me
Are you the one who deleted that picture I uploaded? Can I have it back if I change my name? Conservapederast (talk) 04:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am. In combination with your user page it was highly offensive.  It might take more than a name change - there might need to be a reason to have such an offensive thing here.  I doubt "illustrating the pedophilia article" would work, for instance.  Why not just hang in there (maybe get that name change, I and other 'crats can do that), edit the site, and lay off the attempting to make humor out of something that pretty much nobody finds "funny".  I guess you are lucky you aren't in jail, since that would typically be a death sentence (if you are who you say you are, at least).  PS, in addition to the "name change" option, there is always the idea of registering another user name, not connected to the old one.  04:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I already told my parents but my mom didnt care and my dad is a drunk so everything's ok. Ace McWickedNecron99 05:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I told mine, too, but they ignored me and pretended I was the perfect son they actually didn't want. I call my dad, get drunk, and tell him I love him.  05:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I send you
feces via electronic mail. Ace McWickedNecron99 06:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I shat back atcha. 18:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I require e-turds from both of you. Post haste. 19:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am in the office now so I'll check later. Thanks for shitting back. Ace McWickedNecron99 20:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I squitzed a little, but no shits. Only emails. 20:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

00:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Greetings
Why hello. Nice website that you have here. And nice to see that you have editors who don't have problems with understanding English. Shot info (talk) 23:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Tweak
I have given you an ugly yellow box for no reason. Have a nice day. 01:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw, thanks ;) 02:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Your new sig is glorious
that is all. Ace McWickedModel 500 22:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seconded. It kicks ass, I'd be jealous if I knew how to make one.--PitchBlackMind (talk) 22:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is quite simple, actually; download Inkscape, open up an image and use the "Trace Bitmap" option. 22:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know, I may even have Inkscape on my machine. But I never got the hang of it, all the image editing things I am used to doing seemed to be intentionally hidden from me.  Since you seemed to be fluent in it I figured you could change the color in seconds. So thanks again!  22:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The color change was effected in Emacs rather than Inkscape. 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's not bad, but I like it a shitload more than your old one.The Goonie 1 (talk) 22:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean crossed "h", comic sans, random talk page link version? 22:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, that one.The Goonie 1 (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I could always bring it back if you piss me off ;) 03:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Then I'll just have to avoid doing so. Either that, or care less than I do currently. ;)The Goonie 1 (talk) 03:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Either one works just fine :) 03:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Your new sig is hideous
that is all. Ace McWickedModel 500 05:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just about to bring that up at the Bar. Thanks :)  05:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Why not add this to your sig? My present to you. Ace McWickedModel 500 05:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I could work with that... 05:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Now to "etch" the edges with some white pixels... 05:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Much better. Ace is right, lets listen to him. Ace McWickedModel 500 05:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The "Human" part of the poster could probably be turned into a vector graphic with relative ease; then you could keep the green/pink coloration, without any annoying black boxes around the pink. 05:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can do it, upload and let me know where it is? I kinda like the black given the look of the text... 06:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here it is. A quick Inkscape job; the colors can be adjusted with little trouble. 06:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Very nice. See my comments at the image page?  Thanks for the help, we may get out of this bog yet!  06:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded the version with the new color. You can use a scaled version in your signature, as I do in mine with a different SVG. 16:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks3!!! 21:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Now I ought to make the link to my talk page out of that crosshair part of the image... 23:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But we just rid your signature of annoying black boxes... 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but how about cutting out the graphic, replacing all the white with green, and getting rid of the black? Might not be legible, of course...  20:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Advice
Hi Human,

Thought I would ask, it would appear that the website owner of WikiSynergy is Purple Scissor and I'm wondering if I can add this information into the article here or elsewhere. In case you haven't noticed, my beef with WS is not that it's a woosite (after all, there are thousands out there so whats the issue with yet another one) but that they store and collate outing information on Wikipedian editors. Given that Outers normally hate being outed themselves, I'm wondering if somewhere should return the favour on the editors over there who out WP users who insist on remaining masked themselves? Ta Shot info (talk) 23:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That is against Wiki policy. 23:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Take your wiki-stalking elsewhere. 23:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The stuff about outing is worth mentioning in the article though, but don't out people yourself. 00:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Are they "outing", or just keeping track of WIGO WP regarding their pet topics? 00:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * @ ListenerX, thanks for that - I wasn't aware of the policy.
 * @ Human, thanks for refactoring, I spotted the replies on my talk and was going to refactor, but others beat me to it. FWIW, I didn't know the policy(ies) here, hence why I asked the question.
 * @ Pi - it's probably worth mentioning that they maintain lists of editors (only WP at the moment, but it's the thin edge of the wedge - how long before it's other sites...) whose edits they find objectionable in some fashion (ie/ they are "skeptics").
 * @ Human - well, it's about privacy really. Already both editors they have long files on have objected to the collection of information and have requested it be removed for privacy reasons.  While WS can say "its our policy" I have noticed that various skeptical editors have chanced upon these articles, questioned them, and then withdrawn their support - myself included.  Of course I'm blocked primarly because Purple Scissor didn't like my opinion - namely that I feel that "skeptics" (whoever they are) should withdrawl their editing support for WikiSynergy until such time that those bio's are removed.  After all, it needs to be asked, how long before it's somebody here?  Shot info (talk) 01:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, Shot, you were blocked at WS for using their wiki to try to tell people not to edit there. As far as your claims of "both editors they have long files on have objected to the collection of information and have requested it be removed for privacy reasons" that sort of claim should include (copious) links, or it is worthless. Simply tracking someone's edit on WP isn't a frickin' crime, and neither is calling them names for their edit pattern.  03:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)Yes Human, you are correct, albiet what you have said is just a cutdown version of what I said. I can send you the links, but I'm not going to dignify WS with linking to them from here more than I have too.  Do you have email - I can send them to you there.  But yes, it isn't a crime.  But should it be rewarded by "skeptics" helping them out?  Personally I think no, said so there, and have said so here.  I gather you think it's ok and you wish to help them out? Shot info (talk) 03:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Put them here (talk wiki synergy would be a better place?) or shut up. I've helped them out quite a bit, yeah. So you don't like that?  Saying to people on their wiki that they shouldn't help is a bit weird. Trent has written some good stuff there, I've found some fun stuff to edit, say, our EVP article, what's your beef with any of that?  03:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can see that I've p!ssed you of in some manner, and for that I apologise. I don't understand why you have a problem with websites who compile info about people (Quackpotwatch etc).  But here's some info for a start.  If you are a skeptic, you will know who this person is.  Have a look in the talk pages to see what the subject thinks of it (and he was even helping out WS at the time).  Then have a look at .  I wonder how long before this list is populated.  Then how long will it be before RW editors appear there.  Admitably at the rate they are putting information up...it will take forever... :-).
 * PS: Purp is asking for your input again ;-P.  And the "other WP editor" she is talking about is another WP editor who asked for their page to be taken down, denied and blocked.  Shot info (talk) 03:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your PS looks like it needs two links or else I'll have no idea what you are talking about. All I saw was PS' comment on template talk:welcome, and etaroced is our own tmtoulouse... As far as pissing me off, only by sticking up a real name of someone on some other wiki without substantiation - it looks like you are rolling a feud from elsewhere onto our site.  03:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, you responded already on WS, although maybe you are editing more than two wikis atm :-). There is substantiation, but I asked, and was responded to with a rather emphatic no.  So I'm not pursuing it any further.  Yes, I know tmtoulouse (or a "tmtoulouse" who edits WP).  But you are right in pointing out that you are allowed to help out sites that stick it up "skeptical" editors.  I don't really care, but that editor (Brangifer) thought the same way...once.  Shot info (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm totally in the dark about WikiSynergy, haven't heard about it until just now, but: "Take your wiki-stalking elsewhere." "That is against Wiki policy." What the fuck? I mean what the fuckin' fuck? Are you fuckin' kidding me? Wiki-stalking may not be policy around here, but it sure is practice. There's a used-car salesman in Nevada and a guy with poorer wiki-editing skills that me in Buffalo who are laughing uproariously at the sheer bloody hypocrisy of that statement. Jesus Christ. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Those people's identities have clear trails of evidence (Like TK in the newspaper, the used car salesman thing is a canard). Our "new friend" is pursuing some agenda that has nothing to do with RW, just like the old Barbara Shack identity war found its way here.  03:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Presumably the "new friend" is me, so I'll respond, Human - I asked you a question, which you responded to with another question, so I answered that, and you responded with another question. I will continue to respond to your questions to explain my position.  Now I have taken and accepted your (and others) response to my initial inquiry, so there is no issues there.  Shot info (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Let's get this straight: nothing on WikiSynergy is actually outing. It is just a collection of information from the net (I could give you a copy of the original Fyslee article to prove it, but we're not giving that out because he objects so much). There is no private email (yes, we have that), there has been absolutely no reporting of anything that wasn't already publicly available. But due to the whining about it, we aren't doing it any more anyway. And Shot info is blocked for doing just what he's doing here: tearing everything down, not doing anything of use, and anyway we know him as a troll on Wikipedia as well so why should we think he'd be any better on a woo site?

Shot info said "and he was even helping out WS at the time" as if Fyslee/Brangifer had come and helped WS before we contacted him and asked if he wanted to vet his entry. Then if I remember he vandalized the article.

Cuerden/Shoemaker's Holiday eventually got blocked for blanking most or all of the article multiple times example. And the Cuerden article also had almost nothing but his edit history at WP (and some info from his own sites), and we were very fair to him. Cuerden even wrote an email accusing us of libel, with the subject "Domain being used to harass and provide inaccurate and libellous information, with no regard for the truth". Brangifer made reference to letting his lawyers deal with it (like he has a closet full). It was really an amazing scene overall, since all we did was collate some freely available information on the internet (and there were things we could have emphasized which would have made the Cuerden article nasty, but we -I- stuck to Wikipeida editing history). In the case of Brangifer/Fyslee, he hasn't even bothered to get pages like [redacted because I don't know the rules here, above Human took out something I would have thought was public] deleted, so we see no reason to take stuff down on WS. Why did we take down as much as we did?? Tarantallegra (talk) 20:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

My upcoming Thom Hartmann article
I'll copy it over after I finish it. Probably sometime after I am done recovering from my surgeryThe Goonie 1 (talk) 03:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just move it and work in the mainspace. It's only you and I that care anyway ;)  But do as you see fit.  04:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Roger that! Over and out.The Goonie 1 (talk) 05:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Whew, that was certainly a fistfight, wasn't it? Amazing how, it would seem, every article I write from scratch here seems to provoke the greatest controversies and in-fighting. Anyways, thanks for helping me duke it out. I owe you some Johnnie Walker Blue Label (or are you not a whiskey person?)The Goonie 1 (talk) 05:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yum, scotch. Have you not read my user page?  Anyway, yeah, the thing is, we both know him as people who listen to his show, so we think he's totally reasonable.  The others turned up and googled the silliest of his book titles and went nuts.  It certainly was a battle, and I suspect will continue to be.  Wait 'till we start Mike Malloy!  He's a hard-nosed atheist with a gun who sometimes says some strange things...  05:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I will make an effort to listen to one of his radio shows, though I do put more faith than some in the ability of certain cranks to be reasonable on demand. 05:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He is reasonable 24/7. Apparently, as I said elsewhere, you have never explored my website... Anyway, I appreciate your offer to try to catch one of his shows.  I hope you enjoy, although he is a bit of a commie.  05:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have listened to several of the clips from his radio show on his YouTube channel, and I still think he is a crank; I see those religion-based morals of his shining through in some of the arguments. 21:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Malloy says strange things? Never!!! ;) No, it does appear that I missed the part on your userpage where you mention scotch. I'm huge whiskey and scotch enthusiast myself.The Goonie 1 (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

TK IS THAT YOU
CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID!


 * [editor note: I removed 95% of the repetitions of the above wall of text.] 21:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Correct, although you spelt "Conservapedia" wrong. 09:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ.--C0n53rv4p3d14 r00l2 (talk) 13:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey! I poke outta my head!
I can't believe I haven't farted here yet. I might have on a now archived page... anyway here you go. Apologies if it's an old joke by now. How's the flan? Is it ready? 20:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Shit, you flatulated here weeks/months ago. But pibot stuck it in a backroom a few days later since it was ponging out the noobs and friends.   01:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies then, as I want to avoid excess guffing in one userspace for fear of killing an already over-exercised joke. 12:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize, just breathe deeply. They smell like roses to you, right?  06:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No... It smells like that to you? Unusual, as I only eat fake, plastic roses as opposed to the pointy real life ones... 12:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I hope this is acceptable.
I hope this is acceptable. Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Typos, poor grammar, random accusations against unknown people in the lead of a cover story? Thanks for asking...  09:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Recommendation for demotion to sysops
Because he's been here for a while, and because his edits positively conribute to RationalWiki, and because he doesn't appear to have been demoted already, I recommend you Bureaucrats demote user:Rad McCool to sysop.The Goonie 1 (talk) 06:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I will, but isn't he either Ace McWicked's sock or close friend? Surprising Ace hasn't demoted the user, since Ace a demotion whore and we be sorely pissed and piss on me if I get there first.  Anyway, yeah, you're right, Rad's been around too long to not get the fist up the rectum.  06:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lightly burnt bread did it on May 29. Why a you wasta my time, eh?  I breaka you face if you no paya attention!  06:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. I didn't know because there is usually a demotion message associated with it, and I didn't see one on their talkpage.The Goonie 1 (talk)
 * There should be, yes, but Rad is a well-known tool. Anyway, yeah, Susan Garlic Toast should have left the manual on Rad's page.  But to check there's always the various user rights etc. pages under special.  06:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * only just caught this....Rad McCool is the master, Rad McCool is represents all that is good and holy, Rad McCool is cutier than puppies and scotch, Rad McCool is lord, Rad McCool is NOT my sock. Ace McWickedModel 500 08:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So drinking with Rad McCool would be like have Ace McPissed and Slutty Roux in the same room at the same time, only better? I can't wait...  08:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Toast was kind enough to violate me some time ago. I still walk funny but it was so worth it. Rad McCool (talk) 09:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Drinking with Ace and Rad is a wonderous experience. As close to god as an atheist can get. Ace McWickedModel 500 20:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Shoemaker
Hey, if you want to know why we had so much trouble with those bios, you should read this. It really kind of explains everything, we were just dealing with at least one really sick person "Hell, let me make a public statement about the Matthew Hoffman case". Tarantallegra (talk) 22:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You know I don't care, right? 08:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoaaaaaaaaa, this is uncomfortable... I should go... 18:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi-fi
I came across this page which lists tips to improve your audio experience as well as the cable controversy. But was equally impressed by the Special One Drop Liquid which apparently retails for £100. Do we have an audio woo article? 08:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We do, I think, it's, called,... audio woo? For best sound, smoke best pot. 08:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, the pages you linked to are only one level saner than Time Cube. And not necessarily written as well...  08:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Doh! I should have wiki-linked it but didn't want to appear Kennish and drop a redlink on a talk page. Rushing over my breakfast - should have waited until I got to work where I have more time to spare. :( 10:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe, no problem, I didn't mean to sound mocking in my response. PS, preview is how I got the correct title, took a couple of tries.  Hell, I might even have gone to another tab and searched for it.  What made that easier, of course, was knowing the article existed.  And, yes, let's make sure we've got all the weird stuff out there listed on the article.  20:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, that cable controversy article is hilarious. It does a perfect "debunking" all along the way of "special" wire and gear, and then spins off into fractal stupidity in the last section, which is of course the whole point of everything above it.  All the thought experiments above it, their "technique", that is, can be used to debunk the "magical" room/object treatments as well!  Reminds me of the $400 "treated" $20 Radio Shack alarm clock one was supposed to plug into any outlet to "improve" one's sonic experience.  In fact, these might be the same loonies.  20:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Eldery health insurance
There about 354,000 uninsured people 65 years and older in the United States had no health insurance in 2000.(not even medicare)Ghy213 (talk) 01:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Still, you're basically wrong. The US has a single payer universal health care system for those over 65.  "approximately 1.1 percent of the country’s elderly" emphasis mine.  I skimmed read the article in a typically lazy fashion, but did not find the "why" of 1% of the elderly not taking advantage of medicare. Are they outcasts?  What is the deal?   04:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * PS, why didn't you post your comment on the UHC talk page? This way I'm the only one reading it (theoretically).  Put it there and everyone who cares now or ever about the article can read it.  04:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Step Away from the Keyboard
Calm down. Take some deep breaths. Go for a walk.

You disagree with what Pi did, and you're fed up with the time being spent on the debate. That's fine. We get that.

Jumping up and down, cursing and attacking a fellow editor doesn't show you in a very good light. I'm still trying to learn about the other editors here and at the moment you're heading for "Angry, shouty one who can't be taken seriously". SuspectedReplicant (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. However, pibot blocked thousands of IPs yesterday, which is utterly against our long-standing policy, and most of that is being whitewashed in that weird CS debate - I keep learning more about what happened as I work backwards, which pisses me off, because the CS discussion is not "headed" by the reasons for the discussion.  In other words, a discussion was started by one of the conversants without putting in any of the background information, and I think that is poor style.  The more I dig up as I work backwards, yeah, the "Angry, shouty one who can't be taken seriously"er I get.  Sorry if that puts you off me. I'll go take a walk and have a cigarette now ;)  07:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Cigarette laced with Angel Dust? That'll be good for calming down. Ace McWickedModel 500 08:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No just laced with Skatch Whiscky ;) 09:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Did I ever tell you the story about my high school chemistry final? 09:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not yet....Ace McWickedModel 500 09:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It involved what was probably a PCP-laced joint.... and a very strange test page, and a very weird visit to the poop or pee room... and a very cool, but probably confused, chemistry prof. 09:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Did I tell you how a couple of days ago my woman said that I wasn't funny so to prove just how funny I was I drove up on to the footpath in the new car so she could watch the hilarious antics of scared pedestrians? No? Funny story actually... Ace McWickedModel 500 09:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like fun... like the old girlfriend I had who said "You don't know how close to the curb(kerb) you are unless you hit it. Yeah, we hit it.  I got that problem fixed a few kerbs later.  09:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you fix the problem by pushing her out of the car? That'll teach her to make you hit kerbs. Ace McWickedModel 500 09:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well,, we fixed the problem (made a dead baby scum thing in a vacuum cleaner), not sure if it taught her anything. Eventually did me, gittin' fixed costs the same in cash as gittin' some trash scraped.  10:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Human, my old wiki friend - I do feel that you may be getting just a little bit carried away today. "Step away from the keyboard" might just be good advice.--BobNot Jim 10:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure... and thanks again for the feedback. I still think Pi went insane, in too many ways to list.  If he had built that CS page properly, none of this shit would have hit the fan.  People who don't bother to link to the history of an issue deserve to get sworn at.   Do you realize how hard it was for me to find out what the hell the CS discussion was even about?  I call that crappy wiki editing/sopping.  Pi has a history of 1) adding awesome stuff to our wiki and 2) being completely illiterate when it comes to explaining to the rest of us what he is doing.  Oh well.  10:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Relevant to your interests
Perhaps you should subscribe to the newsletter. --Kels (talk) 18:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Teflonwiki era
Hi Human... Oh, hai... Human 20:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Human. Giving yourself a welcome template is a very sad act.  :-) --Bob M 20:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw it on RC and it looked tasty. Speaking of tasty, where's the goat pilaf?  Human 20:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid this is a goat free zone. It's all tea, biscuits and tofu here I'm afraid. --Bob M 20:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have some chicken on the go, if you'd like. You can pretend it's goat. --Kels 20:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw, thanks. I had some Friday Lunch Leftover Meatlover's Pizza next door, I think there was a bit of goat in it.

Planned Parenthood
Well, you heard the man. Add some references! Add some "appropriate" quotes! It's amazing to me that the moment someone adds something that's exactly in line with the ideology of the site, it's immediately written off as parody. --Kels 14:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's a good one you could use, Philip would love this.
 * "The racism inherent in Social Darwinism was also advocated by Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood. Writing in 1922 in her book The Pivot of Civilization, Sanger considered “inferior races” to be “human weeds” and a “menace to civilization.”" Watson, Social Darwinism: Old idea re-visited
 * Pack a few of those in, make some refs, pad it out a couple more paragraphs, maybe a picture, and voila! --Kels 15:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * With you there, Kels: my first thought was "needs more quotes" preferably quotes of quotes From unimpeachable sources (has Mr Mariano anything to say) Toast 15:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "But it is only when abortion is wedded to a militant and tyrannical agenda used by a ruthlessly ambitious political figure or party that it becomes truly dangerous to dissenting individuals and to the society within which it might flourish. Such as the agenda of Planned Parenthood which was established upon racist premises, the agenda of turning “women’s rights” into ensuring no rights for the babies, the politics of the abortion movement or the Chinese forced abortion policy." - The “Atheist,” the “Muslim” and the “Christian” Murderers – and their victims: Stephen Tyrone Johns, William Long and George Tiller


 * "It is a fact that Sanger, an ardent evolutionist, promoted ‘race hygiene’ and getting rid of ‘human weeds’." -- From CMI itself, you can't get much more truthy than that!
 * Thanks, kids. I loved PJR's irrelevant "analysis" and Sterile's response!  I stuffed those juicy quotoids into the PP article, it ought to be "featured" status any day now! Human 20:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, use PJR's "analysis" as your template, then! He wants "Introduction, detail, supporting quotes/references", then he can have 'em.  You've got the quotes, you've got the references, now you just need to add a bit more that can practically be copy/pasted from any of his recent "articles", and there's nothing to complain about, is there? --Kels 20:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, doesn't the "information" in the detail section have to have something to do with the article title? Eh, let's just get some moar awesome quote mine s and add them, I'll just pepper in some text before the quotes a la Ken and voila, we kan haz eggsellent article! Human 20:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, no, and no. You've got it allwrong. The most crucial part of any article is spamming links to it on random forums. Something like .  Considering an ABORTION?!??!!? First, check out THIS hard-hitting article on mthe racist, atheistic motives for abortion. By the time you finished, you too should be converted :):):)!!!   Theemperor 20:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Who thinks I should go all Ken on the PP article?

By the way, check out the 1st google hit when searching for "criticism of planned parenthood"... Human 21:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the direction of PP. The best thing about it is they don't seem to know what to do except stare and threaten.  And yet, it's clearly the BPOV.  Sterile 02:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't realize being a moron was so easy.  And the fact that they don't even know whether it's parody or serious makes the embarrassment of typing that tripe less painful. But my efforts pale before yours, oh master. Human 03:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

CopyWright
H, please alter this subhead. It's distracting me horribly. Toast 23:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Human 23:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (Dunno about the "innocent" bit though ;-) )''I want smileys;; Toast 23:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite welcome. (It was written on the bathroom wall at Hot l Baltimore, who knows?) Human 01:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikisynergy
The twenty minutes I just spent on WS just scared me. I don't get those minutes of my life back, you know. Sterile 23:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I find it more tolerable than PJRwiki, YECers are pure nutters, at least some of the wingnuts at WS would like to try to apply scientific method to their pet fields. I'm surprised you can tolerate the time you spend at PJRwiki, but I guess it's different strokes for different folks... Human 23:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm pretty bored with PJRwiki right now. It's really not going any where interesting for better or worse, and we appear to be getting close to the "block first" stage of wiki decay.  I will try WS some more, although reallife has me busy at the moment....  Sterile 01:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Real life is far better than PJRwiki. And fairly better than WS.  Good for you. Human 03:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, the contrast between AndyWiki/PJRWiki and WS is amusing at some level. At the former, they are a too closed-minded.  At WS, they are a little too "open-minded" or at least open to "alternatives" like psi and ESP and stuff.  (Can we curse now?)  Sterile 01:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. No swearing until trent gets home.  Then there'll be a lot.  Have you read http://ethericstudies.org/journal/online_listening_trials.htm (it's an EVP thing)?  It's good for about six head-desks per screen at my resolution. Human 02:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have to read later. Reaction on scroll-down: Tom Butler actually publishes this stuff?!?  We, like, have a big kahuna in "the field."  Oh, we're so in deep expletive.  Sterile 03:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The funny thing is, these people think they are doing "science" and that those that disagree are deluded. Human 03:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but pissing off TOm Butler by questioning his logic is quite entertaining. I was questioning his use of the term hypothesis in relation to his pet topic, and he skirted the issue every single time!Gooniepunk2005 22:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That Green goose guy has a really short fuse and a bad attitude, I haven't seen Butler get nasty, at least. That whole EVP thing is just hilarious.  Goosey wants me to prove that static (or other random source) can make something like their "best examples".  Because, if I can't of course, it has to be dead people in the ether adjusting the energy fields... Human 22:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No shit. I have been heavily critical of the fact that Tom's EVP experiment because, basically, if he hears anything on the radio, it is automatically paranormal.  I tried pointing out to him that his hypothesis for the experiment (Summary: SOmetimes, you might hear voices on the radio) still doesn't prove something paranormal, but he still won't or can't make that connection: that finding the cause, not proving something unexplained is happening, is what he should be trying to do.  But, no.  That's too hard, apparently.Gooniepunk2005 22:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was able to improve our EVP article a lot just by quoting WS's article and one or two of their references. What I love is how to get good EVP, you have to do the opposite of any other form of controlled observation - you use crappy equipment, set it up badly, and, well, it also helps a lot if you believe EVP comes from etheric beings.  Oh, also, being very experienced at hallucinating hearing EVPs makes it more likely that you will find them.  Woo indeed. Human 23:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know. And Tom flinched when I told him his experiment lacks a control: that everyone involved in his "experiment" already knows about EVP, therefore, everyone will be biased one way or the other; skeptic or "believer."  And, again, he didn't answer my call for him to show that, even if his experiment is successful, how it proves EVP and not some other random interference.Gooniepunk2005 23:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They seem to be getting a little testy. What is it about pinning these people down to definitions and such and pointing out their reasoning issues, let alone asking for evidence?  Sterile 17:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that I've not got too much more to learn from the place. On the other hand, as Human says, there seems to be good article inspiration to be had. --Bob M 18:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * To answer Sterile's question, I've noticed that the wikisynergy crowd (such as Tom Butler) are just like the citizendium crowd: fully vested in their pet topics. Tom Butler is the sirector of a group that fully purports EVP as being real, so, naturally, he doesn't want the good times and BS about EVP to end.Gooniepunk2005 22:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Butler's deep into it. He gave me a bunch of links to "evidence" for EVP the other day, and even though the sites are different, they "look" the same/similar, and I was a half hour or more into trying to do some due diligence when I hit the first (!) actual example, and the woman asked her electronic toy to say "Tom Butler", and asked the toy about his cats.  Uh, ok. Human 00:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I ne'er spent much time at Citizendium. I'm having enough trouble with here, ASK and WS as it is (and RW and CP) as it is!  Although, I've heard things. 01:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Lasted longer than I thought
Toast 21:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that. He really needs to develop a consistent and appropriate block policy... Human 23:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, He really needs to shut up shop & go to CMI or AiG or something. He's absolutely over the top. Toast 23:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Totally Non Wiki Topic
SirChuck here, sorry to bother you on your page.... But I count 9 seperate insults or veiled references to hell... Most of which were added by the Fly himself..... He is a sick human being and I never say this, but I wish upon him the most foul things imaginable to the human mind.... I hope he gets cancer of the penis. Thank you for listening, delete away. -SirChuckBBack in Action
 * Hi Chuck, no need to apologize, glad you found us! And, yes, Andy's response to Kennedy's death is ghastly and vicious.  Hell, I gave Reagan a one week break from criticism when he died.  PS, Reagan's son Ron has a radio show, and this evening he broke with his tradition and had a guest on - his mother Nancy.  Nancy was very complimentary towards the late Ted.  Nice to see that a person who has seen so much and lived through so much still has a sense of perspective.  Something Andy will probably never learn, although we can hope... Yeah, Andy's just an axxhole. Human 04:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He's a lost cause. Words aren't good enough to describe the bitterness and pettiness which infests that man's soul. SuperJosh 19:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't it funny that the "most moral" amongst us are the first ones to pick on those who (by whatever means) cannot defend themselves? I remember hearing about the Savage Weiner go on a tirade against autistic children, calling them fakers who just need to be disciplined, and (seeing as how I have a friend with Asperger's) I thought "What a fucking bully.  Somebody outta kick his ass and see how he likes it"Gooniepunk2005 23:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

artiqules
Thanks for working on the artiqules.--Bob M 09:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I worked on the articles? Hmmm, I hope my edits were more coherent than my memory! Human 23:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Beatles.
decent story on the Beatles' breakup in the latest Rolling Stone. thought you'd be interested. TheoryOfPractice 04:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and nice of you to remember. When I saw the "new header" I thought we were going to have a fun little fight on teflonpedia to remind us of old times.  Is it on their website? Human 04:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, no smack-talkin' yoko tonight. I just saw the director's cut of Woodstock at my local rep house so I'm feelin' all peace-and-love. Dunno if it's on the web--I actually subscribe to the thing...TheoryOfPractice 04:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I found the article... thanks, although, this comment along a couple similar (between people John v. Paul bitchslapping) "Nothing of this article is new to me. and maybe it's because I am a big Beatles fan and I've read this before. It just sounds like anothe Rolling Stone way of recylcing yet another story thats been told over and over again. The guys got together. They broke up. Like Lennon said. The dream is over. Get over it. Next." was how the article made me feel. So some guy read some books about the Beatles and wrote a fairly vapid article.  Oh well.  Not to denigrate your pointing me at it at all.  And of course the on-line article is not the same thing you read in your print version, from what I can tell.  The on-line one was 2/6 (the last two pages) lame quotes, many not even "real", but hearsay ("John said '....'", said so and so).  I guess that's the trouble with anniversaries of long-tired topics (the Beatles' break-up, not Woodstock) - people who are old enough to have been there churning out repetitive articles on long-dead topics.  Anyway, as I always say, Ringo did give us a drum solo - in "A Day in the Life"; and the Beatles did have a reunion - we know it as "Abbey Road".  And Paul has apologised profusely for being a prick; John likewise, although his apologies were cut short.  The Concert for George showed who really made and kept friends in such a difficult business, though. Human 06:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I DID say it was "a decent story" not "the most bestest and greatest piece of ground-breaking music journalism I've ever read in my life." Interesting--in the full version--how the author on one hand tries to deflect as much blame off of Yoko as he can, while on the other hand being forced by the facts on the ground to reveal how her and John's relationship was, to all appearances, a co-dependent mess that seemed to aggravate whatever problems he had with the other guys in the band in the first place. The whole bit about "silent communication," the constant staring into each other's eyes and whispering to each other while ostensibly in social intercourse with other people reminded me of the reason why I've seen folks who wanted to drop friends until those friends got rid of their horrible new partners--but eventually realised the problem wasn't really the new girl/boyfriend at all. TheoryOfPractice 21:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Unwelcome reversions
Please refrain from removing factual edits to this encyclopedia or reevaluate your participation. Godspeed! 24.14.72.223 04:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Begone, ye communist Maoist fascist evolutionist atheist troll! Hehe... Human 04:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Sysop
Looking at recent changes I see some revisions of "work" by a BON. In case it needs a stronger response I have given you the powers to do so.--Bob M 07:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you for this honor. I'd like to thank the Academy, and my parents, family, and close friends.  I hope I wear this badge in the manner that is expected of me, and if there are any parades I am obligated to wave from, I will be there.  Anyway, thanks, Bob.  I think the BON was probably one of us anyway, but again, thanks for the laurels. Human 07:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn, now I have red exclamation points in RC! It makes me want to sysop all those trolls so I can ignore their work. Ah, Bob, it's been nice here in your holiday camp (the toilets are fairly clean, and the beaches are almost as much so), but I long for home... ah, home, where my music's playing, where my stove is singing, where my booze is waiting... silently for me.  Homeward bound, I wish I was, homeward bound... Human 08:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that I look at recent changes I guess the BON was. I just saw the reversions and thought somebody was doing something naughty.--Bob M 09:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

When RationalWiki comes back...
We really ought to create a WIGO:WikiSynergy. I think, at this point, they've earned it.Gooniepunk2005 01:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, although it might not be main page-ready. Because most of what "goes on at WS" is, well, you and me dealing with trolls? Human 03:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I agree. But we should create one, just the same, if are going to have socks there anyways.Gooniepunk2005 04:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Socks? They aren't "cockpuppets" if we tell them who we are and use our "typical" usernames. Cockpuppets are usernames created to parrot views espoused... oh, fook, please, look up cockpuppet on wikipedia.  Or better yet, sockpuppet. Human 05:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you're right. But, at least you gt the point I was trying to get across. Would avatars work better, perhaps?Gooniepunk2005 05:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, giant, flying, animatron avatars with huge claws. And moldy green geese poop and guts to feed the cats. Human 05:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Moldy green goose poop, eh? I guess he was just like real geese: he certainly left a goose sh*t-covered wiki in his wake.Gooniepunk2005 06:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it beats watching paint dry, but only just. Toast
 * Hey, we are totally amusing! Did you watch the gangrene meltdown? Human 05:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite interesting, really. I misunderstand green goose, and call him a narcissistic hypocrite.  He gets pissed off and started bitching about my name calling.  Being a reasonable man, I apologize, and he agrees to a truce.  Not 48 hour later, he's busy attacking me and slandering me over what I apologized for, and goes so far as to cyberstalk me at my myspace.  I respond by counter-attack, and fend the little bastard off by myself for over an hour until Purple Scissor shows up, and that coward runs away scared.  Unfortunately, I don't think that will be the last of him at WikiSynergy, and my crystal ball forsees another wandal joining us RationalWiki once it's back up.  Fortunately, though, he'd be playing on our turf there.Gooniepunk2005 06:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you were probably right about GG with your MC guess Goonie. Tedious little wankers like that I can find outside any bar at 03:45 on a Sunday morning. The rest of the site seems to be a load of Poe challenged persons more self opinionated than me (if that's possible) Toast 06:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but the rest of them, at least, seem to at least not be nearly as hypocritical as goose poop. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who detected some MarcusCicero tact in his bullsh*t.Gooniepunk2005 06:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, could we have one WIGO for ASK and WS? Something like WIGOwikis? It doesn't seem that either has enough traffic to sustain its own WIGO.Sterile 14:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge them into wigoclogs or a similar? Sounds about right.  Let's come up with a funny name for it, though.  WIGOslickys? (no) Human 19:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So much for neding to watch WikiSynergy....Gooniepunk2005 05:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to get PS to be less of a Proxima "there are banhammers under my bed" Centauri chicken and re-implement the site. It's a damn shame that some stupid bullies could do this. Human 05:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Beatles?
Not sure why someone would give a Welshman living in teh US a shoutout on this. What would be your reaction if I were to say that "The Beatles are the greatest band that have ever, or will ever exist on this or any other planet"? SuspectedReplicant 20:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say have you ever heard of the Who?! SuperJosh 20:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The whom???? SuspectedReplicant 20:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There are many bands who have produced good material but the Beatles - in conjunction with George Martin - have had such a wide-ranging influence on the whole of the music industry that only Brian Wilson can approach their pre-eminence in popular music. I think that Howard Goodall's series about the greats of 20th century music on Channel 4 a couple of years ago was the definitive verdict on this. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 21:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah... Human 00:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That series was great - this is the first time I've come across someone else who saw it. Totnesmartin 08:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It was indeed great. So was his other one on the history of music, including some fascinating stuff on how Bach was clever enough to get around the musical censorship imposed on him by the church. I can't remember the details now, though... something about producing "forbidden" chords by playing notes on two different instruments. SuspectedReplicant 08:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. Not quite, but I was nearly right. SuspectedReplicant 10:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

One thing I will say, is that the odds of virtually anyone alive in the Western world having a favorite Beatles song or Beatles album is very high (Schlafly statistic invoked). That probably can't be said of any other recording artistes of the 20th century. Except perhaps the two other Gods of 20th cy. pop music, Elvis and Bob. Human 08:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Song: A Day in the Life. Album: Revolver (just - Rubber Soul pushes it close). But the greatest ever record of ANY type is the double A-side single Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane, which - as I'm sure you know - was their first single not to hit #1 since Love Me Do (or Please Please Me, depending on the chart you use). SuspectedReplicant 20:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And that single would have been on Sgt Pepper if the thing hadn't taken so long to record. It's fun to play around with what Pepper could have been if those two songs were on it.  And perhaps close side one with All You Need Is Love. Human 22:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * True. If Pepper had those three on and lost She's Leaving Home, Within You Without You and Good Morning Good Morning, it would probably be my favourite. SuspectedReplicant 06:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have a favourite Dylan song, but I do have a favourite Half Man Half Biscuit song. Does this count? Totnesmartin 20:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Human 22:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Lumenos
I guess I owe you an apology. I thought he was funny at first going on about being unable to make https connections to wikis, security holes and his stupid wiki about... I have no idea what, but seeing the way he wikilawyers over at wikiindex I can see you were right about the premature sysopping at RW. If during your next drunken escapade when you are desysopping PC and you should happen to desysop him, I won't object ;) Pi 07:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's very nice of you to say. I have actually been thinking of a new HCM at RW when it's back - "reasons to promote janitors to editors", and I think one is "bragging about adminning RW elsewhere".  Of course, we'd also have to edit the sysop guideline page.  And argue for days if not weeks.  Oh how I love those week-long arguments.  Seriously, I still have an open tab where I'm not sure if you're right or I am.  I keep it for the brains fix.  Anyway, as far as Lumenos, yeah, it's pulling a power play over at wikiindex, which I really don't care about, the only reason I ever went there was that Barbara Shack Proxima Centuari whinged at us on RW about some tripe.  By the way, at wikiindex, some axehandle edited my comments on my own talk page to remove "you freak" because I guess it was dirty language.  We need to start reporting on WI it WIGOwikis once RW is back.  Oh, were you apologizing for something?  Nevermind, all is forgiven, surely I have made ten times as many mistakes as you.  But it was very Gentlemanly of you to post this comment, oh irrational but mathematically definable one. Human 07:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In all fairness, I have bragged about being a bureaucrat a few times. Phantom Hoover 17:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We shall have to demote you for that when we get back :) Pi 00:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There's nowhere to demote a 'crat to - I think you mean "promote"... Human 00:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Supercrat? Pi 00:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cabal? Hinthinthint! Phantom Hoover 07:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There Is No Cabal! :) Human 07:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course there isn't. Hinthinthinthint! Phantom Hoover 07:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * One does not seek The Cabal; The Cabal seeks them (if it so wishes). Pi 08:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of doing a catalogue of previous HCMs that related to community standards, grouping links to previous discussion under recurring themes, e.g, privacy, editing rights. I am kind of playing with the idea of listing them Supreme Court style Blog vs The Mob (obviously the mob always wins) with a quick description of the outcome, e.g; Pi vs The Mob Outcome: TOR nodes should not be blocked for simply being TOR nodes and bots can be demoted for sysop abuse the same as any other editor, regardless of their function. I suppose CUR vs The Mob had the precedent that you can receive punitive for off site behaviour if you falsely claim you are representing RationalWiki with your actions. I figured if people are going to wikilawyer we might as well give them a resource to do it properly. Pi 09:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I like your idea, Pi. We would be our own RWW, reporting on ourselves.  Very good idea. Human 08:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I did think of it being a bit RWW like, but if we can't analyse ourselves, how can we analyse others? Pi 08:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've got some really wacked out guitars playing over my head right now... so, oh, yeah. Of course we can, and we can do it better than RWW ever dreamed of. Ooooh, more guitars... Human 09:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And we can't host this stuff at RWW because...? Phantom Hoover 12:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because nobody goes there. Human 22:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You have just demonstrated that there is a reason to edit RWW; why not edit there? Why not use the site specifically created for this sort of thing? Phantom Hoover 22:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's easier and more fun to do it on RW. It gets more people's attention and input. Human 22:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure there is space in the universe for two wikis reporting on RW.--Bob M 20:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am really just aiming to catalogue our old policy debates in such a way that anyone interested in following the back can do so. The reason for doing it on RationalWiki is that this is going to be a meta-look at our meta-space and I would like meta-meta-meta-input. Pi 23:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * WIGO wikis would be awesome. We could merge ASK into it and report on any thing that isn't CP (the only one that seems to be able to support itself). Wikisphere or is that meme a little old? Wikiworld? Pi 09:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Godspeed, trustworthy, gentlemen
Godspeed trustworthy gentlemen, let nothing you dismay For Aschlafly our saviour has many things to say How vaccinated liberals destroy the USA Oh, insights of comfort and joy, comfort and joy Oh, Andy's a chivalrous boy.

Totnesmartin 20:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

MOAR MOAR MOAR!!111!11!11!oneone111!!!     Theemperor 01:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to do some more when RW is back up. A page of CP-related carols would be brilliang! And it could haz votes? Totnesmartin 07:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course it kan haz votez. Why else do we write anymore? Human 08:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Your editing of my userpage
I am a master of baiting, how'd you know?Lord of the Goons (talk) 06:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I could smell it on your fingers? 06:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Like my pappy always used to say, "Before you can master fishing, you must learn to master bait."Lord of the Goons (talk) 06:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's all about choking the worm to death... whilst still feeding the fish a hook. 06:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I used to have a friend whose surname was "Bates". We all called him "Master".--BobNot Jim 08:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny. I used to have a friend with the last name Baden (pronounced like Bay-den), and we used to call him Master Baden.Lord of the Goons 23:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Chastisement
I think you were overly harsh on NX with the WIGO change. Remember that on a wiki things can always be changed back, and diplomacy saves us all a lot of trouble in the long run. tmtoulouse 07:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I'll try to be milder and nicer... 21:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I heard you were a bigwig in the LB fanfiction circles. Could you maybe beta read my story?
My main problem, I think, will probably be continuity. As somebody who isn’t overwhelmingly familiar with the Left Behind mythos, I don’t know that much about the series’ timeline, meaning that I have no idea when, for instance, the GC's persecution of Christians actually started.

I imagine this will be a significant roadblock in my attempt to create the greatest piece of Rayford/Buck slashfic the world has ever known. State of North Dakota v Mimsy Butterpie the Unicorn, December 30 1939, The Right Honorable Judge Daniel Mooncake Presiding. 08:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not me, no, sorry. 21:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

ho ho ho
don't worry, you'll get your chance to retract that remark. Ace McWickedModel 500 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would I want to retract my factual edit? 05:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because little phil will chuck his toys and have a tanty. Ace McWickedModel 500 05:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

A start
User:Nx/Extensions/wigo3/doc (also: User_talk:Nx) -- Nx  / talk 17:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw, the original goal was to allow the mob to change the style in Common.css without me having to hack the extension, not to allow everyone to use their favorite color for the columns. That's just a side effect, I realize noone will bother to do that. -- Nx  / talk 05:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am still formulating my reply. However, in the meantime, I want to see "instructions for Joe New User", hwo maybe know how to italic, bold, and link.  In other words, please explain what this does and why it matters, in clear English.  Or explain it to me in non-clear Englisha and see if I can translate it?  06:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be more appropriate on a generic help file about css. -- Nx  / talk 06:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it would make more sense to explain a simple option to the user in English. How about you write the generic css help file first?  Since you offered? Understand that to edit a wiki, no-one needs to understand css?  In fact, to have a successful website, one still does not need to be fluent in it...  06:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. Give me an example of a simple option. -- Nx  / talk 06:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of our help pages are written for normal users, I'd suggest them. Also, if you can't explain something without using the phrase "css" you aren't explaining it.  Making people edit their monobook.poop file is not user friendly.  I think I know what you are trying to do (although the site already did it - bold the user's previous multi-vote choice?), but your files/explanatins just make life harder for everyone. Can you please go to Main talk or the Saloon bar when you want to change something?  You know there are a hundred or so of us besides yourself, and we might have opinions, right?  06:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the documentation of my wigo extension. It's not a help page. I thought you might be interested in knowing how to change some things, e.g. the tooltips, and I invited you to help improve it. I explained that the point is not to allow every user to choose their favorite color for the columns. The point is to give you, User:Human, self appointed dictator of this site, an easy way to change the color if you personally think that blue looks like crap. If your response is to attack me, then fine. The information will still be there if someone's interested. -- Nx  / talk 06:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I finally understand... you did not mean to add #Howto to the first link? Because the section above it seems to be about what you just said. Thanks... 23:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and sorry if I've been cranky - I hurt my back rather badly Sunday afternoon and it's probably affecting my attitude problem for the worse. It's not an excuse, I know, but I suspect it is affecting my behavior a bit.  23:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!
Whoa, you made a Hitchhiker's Guide reference on the Article of the Weak thing. That's cool. XD &mdash; Unsigned, by: MykalOfDefiance / talk / contribs
 * I did? Are you sure it was me?  All I know is to type "42" when in doubt...  19:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

James Randi vs. trickery in disguise
I found this video narrated by James Randi about his debunking of cranks on google and thought you might enjoy it. 02:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

So WTF?
You call them "fucking IDiots", abuse your powerz and call PJR a moron directly and........nothing! No block and a temp suspension of your powers. As I stated to Phil, he just dislikes me personally. Must be the AUS/NZ rivalry. Ace McWickedModel 500 20:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * SuperJosh made me a special creationist-proof suit I wear when performing such exploits. As long as I believe in the suit, they can't touch me. 23:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you mean CUR. I did the Liberal Protection Suit then he started something about an anti stupid suit. 19:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You realize that an inside-out LPS works in exactly the way I described, right? It's not a bug, it's a feature!   23:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

What am I watching at one in the morning whilst simultaneously editing on my laptop...?
I'll give you a hint...

 Graham Chapman Scientist in a Sketch Who is Not Graham Chapman: With what sport is Wimbledon commonly associated? Sexy Blonde Late 1960s Bimbo: Erm... (For those viewers at home, the answer is coming up on your television set: Wimbledon. The Question once again:)  Graham Chapman Scientist in a Sketch Who is Not Graham Chapman: With what sport is Wimbledon commonly associated? Sexy Blonde Late 1960s Bimbo: Erm... Cricket!  Graham Chapman Scientist in a Sketch Who is Not Graham Chapman: No, Tennis!

Endo story: The Blancmanges want to win Wimbledon. 00:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Scroll down to the last picture: http://www.humanspeakers.com/diy/c3-built1.htm :) Funny that I knew exactly which episode you were referring to at the first line...  00:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, brilliant! Chapman is amazing in the upper class, posh roles. Blancmanges at Wimbledon is probably one of their best sketches along with Dead Parrot, Arthur 'Two Sheds' Jackson, and Confuse-A-Cat. 00:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Chapman was the unsung, and then starring, genius of the troupe. I was never a huge Cleese fan, but anyway.  What's cool about the Scotsmen/Blancmange ep is that it was in the 4th season, when there were more "long-themed" jokes.  They were some of the weaker shows in my, and Cleese's, opinion.  But this one shines, it is almost a precursor to what MPFC could/can do in the "long format" - their fillums. Ah, Angus Podgorny, poet!  02:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The blancmange episode was series one, but I know what you mean. As much as I like Cleese I've always thought the other Python's seemed to stand out more. Not to say I don't like Cleese - he was brilliant in Life of Brian. "Are you the Judean People's Front?" "Fuck off! ... We're the People's Front of Judea!" Mice Problem was one of the longer ones too, and Cleese was good as the ex-mice man in that. 13:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, that's funny, I should have looked it up before pretending to be an expert. I like Cleese well enough, but his trademark routines do tend towards screeching abuse at people.  That said, Silly Walks was brilliant, and I loved his "Emcee in Cafe" thing.  18:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Message…
Left a response on my page. Would you be offended if I reverted your edit and then put in the 'teh'? I'm a professional writer, so misspellings (of exposé, for example), grammar, and 'noise modifiers' (some, very, rather, even) give me the shakes.

Best regards, --UnicornTapestry 08:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Henry Lee Lucas
Ok, I tried to start an article on Henry Lee Lucas, but due to some computer problems...well, you'll see if you open the article. Could you please fix it, I can't do it from this computer.

-Kyle&mdash; Unsigned, by: Mustex / talk / contribs

Above moved from User Page by
 * Made link to follow... who sent this, Toast or Kyle? Is Kyle one of Toast's friends IRL? Editing from the pub on a laptop?  01:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Kyle=Mustex, sorry about that, I forgot to use my screen name. And nevermind, I just changed over from Internet Explorer to Firefox and the formatting problem was solved.
 * Dunno Mustex. It's ten to three AM so no-one in the pub. 01:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Article looks pretty interesting, I copyedited it a tiny bit, but it reads well. I now see the chain of editing events ;) Thanks for your help, Toast! 01:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I added in som information from the Biography episode on him. If you want to add a link, this guy has the episode in multiple parts on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/jonz1943
 * --Mustex 01:56, 21 September 2009

Ace McWicked
BTW, I was told my appointment as a sysop had something to do with "usurping" a user named Ace McWicked. Could I please get the backstory on this?--Mustex 02:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ace is our token piss artist - everyone who's been here for over thirty minutes without causing mayhem gets syssopped. Just lay back & think of England (or wherever your heart lies).  02:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What was meant by that was the demoter, GoonieSpunk, was beating Ace McEvil to the punch by demoting you. Trouble is, here, we tend to sysop almost every Tom, Dink, and Hairy that turns up and doesn't wandalize within eleven seconds.  Hence your subsequent promotion pending "time" and eventual re-demotion.  That is all.  03:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

PS
Two guys have apparently been vandalising your page, I blocked them for an hour, but apparently they have unblocking power, so are they not vandals? Did I miss something?--Mustex 02:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup: it's called playing. (Apparently) Most of us grow out of it but ... 02:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Have they, indeed? By the way, Mustex, we don't actually bother to block people here, although I'm sure you meant well.  Now I'll have to go see what these chumps were doing, clever little monkeys that they are.  03:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

A CP move on WikiSynergy
Hahaha, since I have no ethics insofar as WikiSynergy goes, I permanently deleted Grrron Goose and permantently protected it. A CP move, no doubt, but fuck that asshole. (If you can't tell by the fact that I'm bragging about it, I'm drunk). 05:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, WS isn't RW anyway... I don't know if you noticed or not, but PS deleted quite a few chunks of talk pages (pretty much everything GG was on?). 20:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning after me
It could be stalking, but thanks for the numerous edits you've made to things I've contributed. The darwin stuff looks a lot better after your changes. If it is stalking, I'm flattered but happily married. --Concernedresident 20:20, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe, you're welcome. I just like to read what people add, and copyedit if it seems to be needed, as is often the case with fresh additions.  20:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I've replied
I replied at my talkpage about the Superman S. As it's borderline important and we're both here, I INSIST that you reply NOW. Cheers! :) 22:46, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

You edits upon my edits/contributions
I generally like your cleanup of my edits, but I do think something should be saved of my +realism of US founding section JacobPatt 23:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You might want to try to put what you were trying to say in there in a way that reads well and fits what is around it. The best way, if you are unsure, or get reverted again, is to say what you want to say on the talk page and see where and how other people think it might fit in.   23:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

AOTW
Could you have a look at the Rapture AOTW, please? I would like to get this on up whilst it is still popular on the blogosphere. Thanks. 03:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I copyedited; does our rapture article need work? If it's ready for prime time, let it roll.  04:01, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be nice with some more local links. Anything else we have? 04:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree... maybe category:Christianity will yield some gems? Or category:fundamentalism?  Do we have millenialism?  04:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Challenge
Hey, not really sure how many people are checking the Pseudoscience section of the forum, so just wanted you to know that I'm issuing a challenge to all the members here: I'm sick of bullshit God-of-the-Gaps arguments that rely on distorting and misrepresenting High School level science. I want some bullshit God-of-the-Gaps arguments that rely on distorting and misrepresenting COLLEGE-level science. I've posted mine, I'm waiting for anyone to try to outdo me.--Mustex 00:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If there were forums here, I'd know about them. &mdash; Sincerely, Neveruse513 / Talk / Block 00:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try, but it's hard: most that I've been able to find I can refute with elementary-level science and a healthy skepticism. JS Leitch 00:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I'd like to see some that actually had some real effort put into them. I'm tired of hearing arguments that have the minimum effort put into them to fleece the gullible.--Mustex 01:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You may wish to put them in the saloon bar. The forums haven't been particularly full in some time.  Sterile 01:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Where's that?--Mustex 02:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're kidding, right? Here.... Sterile 02:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, no, but thanks. I'll post it soon.--Mustex 03:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I suspect that Mustex is asking where the forums are. If you look at the navigation boxes at the left hand side of the page you will see one headed "community". There is a link to the forums at the bottom of that box.--BobNot Jim 05:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I got it now. This conversation has moved to the Saloon.--Mustex 05:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

lowering age of consent
Hey, just came across what appears to be a new anti-gay allegation by the far right, and as far as I can tell no one's gotten around to refuting it yet. They're claiming that, because of gay activists, many first-world countries are lowering the age of consent so that gays can legally go after our children. I'm guessing that, like most of their claims, this is a wild distortion of something or other. Any idea where they got that from?--Mustex 02:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They're insane? You mean third world countries like Georgia, or Mississippi, right? I note your question is devoid of links to what you refer to, so I just have to guess.  03:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It was a link to chick.com I found via fstdt. Looking for link now.--Mustex 03:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Under the heading of "Home Alone": http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1270.asp--Mustex 03:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also moved to the saloon bar, I think? 06:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

As requested
a clip of Tommy and the Fallen Horses. Makes me laugh because he was such a tool at high school. For bonus laughs check out About - Psychedelic Band Bio for such lines as "..ringleted vagabond called Tommy who performed songs of such intensity that they would cause winos and derelicts, businessman and punk-rockers alike to walk in off the street and howl to the rhythm." Bahaha Ace McWickedI'm a pretty big deal around here... 03:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Omigod, he is such a tool. Thank you for the evidence.  You are the man!  04:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

How do I pay you?
Do you take checque? Perhaps I shouldn't discuss our payment arrangements on RW. After all, that seems to be the only possible reason you might take your idiotic stance of not endorsing a CP style block rule. Anyone can see he's a hate troll who can't stand this place. Anyone can see he doesn't make constructive contributions to RW. Anyone can see... well... that he's just a fucking wanker. So how much will it be? MarcusCicero 16:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Fuck off Marcus. Don't you know when to keep your gob shut?  16:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Such high praise is more than payment enough. Where would you like your change inserted?  00:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

baraminology at ASK
I like how we have the concept of a baramin, but PJR is so noncommittal about what they actually are. It's like alchemical classifications, really. Sterile 19:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Riotous, yes. He almost got as far as saying "they're the same as species, except for ones that can interbreed."  Hell, I think I understand the "concept" better than he does.  Each freaking baramin represents a pair of critters from the Ark!  And they were very heterozygous, so much so that most of them devolved into groups of similar species, to use the atheistic anti-creationist term for today's hopelessly information-deprived pathetic examples of what God's Great Work has "run down" to.  00:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Because I know how much you love the Beatles.
This is stunningly goodRaoulDuke 15:22, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that's a class act.  16:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The way the conductor starts looking around at him is priceless... –SuspectedReplicantretire me 16:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Who says that Russians don't have a sense of humour?  19:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Most excellent, thanks! 22:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Erm... this one is slightly better. If you're an LSDude, anyway. 22:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, the Residents, very nice. Thanks!  00:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I love the Residents--they did an Elvis Presley thing that was perfect if only for the title: "The King and Eye." RaoulDuke 00:42, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

TKTKTKTK
Where were you on the "perma-banning TK question?" Just curious. RaoulDuke 22:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Back then we still blocked, theoretically on a fibonacci sequence of varying time increments (we'd switch to longer time increments for the more evil visitors). We had no vandal bin, also.  So what happened was that at some point, when we had ramped him up to "days", someone made the calculation that his current block was up to like 85 or whatever days, and fixed it to be that, counting time-served.  I'm not even sure where the discussion would have taken place, since this was also pre-Saloon Bar.  I guess his block log would show when the conversation was occurring, then recent changes from back then might indicate where it was taking place.
 * I doubt I can clearly remember my stand, but I suspect it was mostly that we follow whatever loose guidelines we had, and I think I mostly vacillated between ignoring him and demanding evidence for his random accusations. I don't think anyone was really for "perma-banning" him, it was more in issue of debating how long that last block should be?  22:46, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * And on a serious note: Let's ban TK. He would never let such intelligence and fun exist, persist, and devolist without interrupting and complaining about how we were censoring him and "just as bad as Aschlafly". humanUser talk:Human 21:32, 15 January 2008 (EST)  It's a debate worth revisiting, I think.... RaoulDuke 22:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * RD, it's hard to tell how serious I was being in that line, especially considering the context. But anyway, yeah, thanks for digging out the link, those were fun times. Note how often we veer off into the utterly silly! 23:12, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * For the record, I was in favour of banning him until eternity (and did). I have no problem supporting the same thing with MC, although that discussion was about banning him for one month, the horror! But then, I've been mod on other online communities where common freakin' sense dictated blocking a troublemaker for however long was appropriate, then getting on with your life, since the users as a whole were a whole lot more important than being nice to someone who just trolls. --Kels 23:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * To be fair, i did encourage you lot to give me a permanant ban, backslap each other, share a cigar, and get on with your RW lives. Some here didn't want me to become a marytr (You were trying to introduce frankly un-RWian rules) and so they realised it would annoy me more to deny me martyrdom. I think thats the jist of it really. And define troublemaker - Someone who dissents? Someone who calls you on your BS? How very liberal of you. That authoritarian though process still clings to around half the members here, but sadly they appear to be the most active ones. MarcusCicero 08:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, this is about Terry Koecritz, right? Just checking. DogP Marmite Patrol 23:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Terry who? I think you mispelled his name, marmite person.  05:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * RWW wrote it up when the place still had a function.--BobNot Jim 08:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)