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| + | A walking behavioral violation. Constantly trolling and was given far too many chances, like it's fucking ludicrous to see patience we've displayed here. For instance this user deserved to be put swiftly in vandal bin and was let off quickly because the user incessantly begged, on terms and conditions which user violated immediately and got put back in the bin, which the removal of binning in the first place was a really poor display of judgement. Not to mention the disruptive pinging abuse, the gif abuse, the horrific quality posts and edits, the attempts to coop other users for frivolous reasons (which he has done right after Christopher made the mistake of undoing my block on him and made the coop before I even posted this comment; I'm exasperated also at Christopher, who has frequently undo/reduce blocks on this obvious troll), attempts to permaban other users, regularly personally attacks other users; there's a goddamn laundry list of violations but apparently I need to give him a warning to stop, and blocking for more disruptive comments is too severe. I'm now motioning mods for a long term block of 22 days ''minimum'', but preferably a permaban. You can turn this into Chicken Coop if you need to, if mods disagree how to proceed, but I rather go through a coop with this troll than put up with this patience comedy act any longer. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 22:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Coup Unclescrooge. He's abusing the coup process. I've had enough of that shit. In fact, I'll go ahead and do it myself. [[User:PanGalacticGargleBlaster|PanGalacticGargleBlaster]] ([[User talk:PanGalacticGargleBlaster|talk]]) 23:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :[EC]It wasn’t a mistake, like I said in the unblock message it gave him a chance to actually do something wrong. I seem to find him a lot easier to ignore than most people, and think he was treated too harshly initially when he wasn’t such an obvious troll, but I’d also support an extended block. I say 3.14 months and go from there, but won’t vote against a permaban. [[User:Christopher|Christopher]] ([[User talk:Christopher|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::{{ping|PanGalacticGargleBlaster}} scrooge is a complete nobody; we can vote to ban him here, please don’t start a coop case over some trolling. [[User:Christopher|Christopher]] ([[User talk:Christopher|talk]]) 23:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::No problem, we can discuss this here. [[User:PanGalacticGargleBlaster|PanGalacticGargleBlaster]] ([[User talk:PanGalacticGargleBlaster|talk]]) 23:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::In situations like this, it helps to ask the question "what are we losing if we sanction the user in question?" I would like people to consider that before they start defending scrooge, at least.-[[User:Flandres|Flandres]] ([[User talk:Flandres|talk]]) 23:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::He's been PMing me on Discord begging to unblock him and spamming his stupid Mario videos. I'm tired of this kid's bullshit. {{User:Rockford the Roe/sig}} 23:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::::Has Scrooge made any constructive mainspace edits? [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 23:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::::I'd favor a ban of π months (at a minimum) for egregious violation of the community standards, trying to coop anyone who upsets him, and making no worthwhile contributions here at all. —[[User:Cosmikdebris|cosmikdebris]] <sup>[[User talk:Cosmikdebris|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Cosmikdebris|stalk]]</sup> 23:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::::(Edit conflicy) My deeming it as a "mistake" is not a literal mistake but my own exasperated judgement strongly disagreeing with yours, and my feeling correct when letting blocked would've prevented scrooge from further disruption. Perhaps there's silver lining that the unblocking also was a final straw for me and maybe something could be done, but this back and forth (which you might see as my actions as being too aggressive while I see yours as too accomodating) is tiring me. Apologies if I came off as abrasive. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::::::(STOP GETTING INTO EDIT CONFLICTS WITH ME!!!) Flandres, I created the page on Red Eagle Politics. Christpher, I'm NOT a nobody!! [[User:Unclescrooge|Unclescrooge]] ([[User talk:Unclescrooge|talk]]) 23:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::::::No need to apologise, I take most of the blame for any conflict. I do stand by my earlier defence of him but lately it’s mostly just been stubbornness (and frustration at the often flimsy block justifications, given how easy it is to wait for actual block-worthy edits). [[User:Christopher|Christopher]] ([[User talk:Christopher|talk]]) 23:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | {{od}}Personally I think these discussions should be about how much you’ve done wrong, not what you’ve done right, but [https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Unclescrooge&namespace=0&tagfilter=&year=2021&month=-1 he’s made less than 50 mainspace edits and none of them were very good]. [[User:Christopher|Christopher]] ([[User talk:Christopher|talk]]) 23:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::::::Wow, amazing resume, Unclescrooge. What will the wiki do without a page on some blogger that's been in draft zone for over a month, that time better spent on article improvement than wasting other people's time with you? | ||
| + | :::::::::Christopher, I do believe what he has done is blockworthy, just for disruption. Benefit of doubt is zero so in turn, bar for him getting blocked for disruption is also really low. That's how I saw things. I can see your way, I believe but I don't agree. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | UncleScrooge's primary reason for being here is to be disruptive. His behaviour hasn't improved in spite of the multiple short term blocks and other small punishments he has received. He's going to get banned eventually. We might as well do it sooner rather than later. [[User:Spud|Spud]] ([[User talk:Spud|talk]]) 00:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :I would tolerate, even welcome US if he were original, funny or interesting at trolling. But he's just boring and tedious. I say we get rid of him. [[User:Marquee Moon|主要行事月]] ([[User talk:Marquee Moon|talk]]) 01:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::As noted in the coop, I support any punishment for Scrooge that looks like it could have enough support to pass. [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 02:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::Well {{ping| Unclescrooge}}, let me explain what you are doing wrong: everything. You are an embarrassment to the small community of virtuous trolls here on the wiki. Going to the CC to "coop ban" members in better standing than yourself makes you appear to be an idiot. LGM is one of the most even tempered editors on the site, and you managed to antagonize them. To what end? And funny? No chance of that. As has been pointed out, you are a froward contributor. [[User:UncleKrampus|UncleKrampus]] ([[User talk:UncleKrampus|talk]]) 02:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::I’d go up to a pi months block. I wouldn’t vote for a permaban, but this user is annoying enough that I also wouldn’t vote against it. {{User:DuceMoosolini/sig}} 06:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::I too am bored with the constant coop-trolling and grovelling. At this stage I'd support a short (pi week/month) block, and would support a much longer block if this was to continue afterwards . --[[User:RWRW|RWRW]] ([[User talk:RWRW|talk]]) 06:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
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Unclescrooge
- This discussion was moved here from RW:ATIM.
A walking behavioral violation. Constantly trolling and was given far too many chances, like it's fucking ludicrous to see patience we've displayed here. For instance this user deserved to be put swiftly in vandal bin and was let off quickly because the user incessantly begged, on terms and conditions which user violated immediately and got put back in the bin, which the removal of binning in the first place was a really poor display of judgement. Not to mention the disruptive pinging abuse, the gif abuse, the horrific quality posts and edits, the attempts to coop other users for frivolous reasons (which he has done right after Christopher made the mistake of undoing my block on him and made the coop before I even posted this comment; I'm exasperated also at Christopher, who has frequently undo/reduce blocks on this obvious troll), attempts to permaban other users, regularly personally attacks other users; there's a goddamn laundry list of violations but apparently I need to give him a warning to stop, and blocking for more disruptive comments is too severe. I'm now motioning mods for a long term block of 22 days minimum, but preferably a permaban. You can turn this into Chicken Coop if you need to, if mods disagree how to proceed, but I rather go through a coop with this troll than put up with this patience comedy act any longer. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 22:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Coup Unclescrooge. He's abusing the coup process. I've had enough of that shit. In fact, I'll go ahead and do it myself. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 23:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- [EC]It wasn’t a mistake, like I said in the unblock message it gave him a chance to actually do something wrong. I seem to find him a lot easier to ignore than most people, and think he was treated too harshly initially when he wasn’t such an obvious troll, but I’d also support an extended block. I say 3.14 months and go from there, but won’t vote against a permaban. Christopher (talk) 23:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @PanGalacticGargleBlaster scrooge is a complete nobody; we can vote to ban him here, please don’t start a coop case over some trolling. Christopher (talk) 23:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- No problem, we can discuss this here. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 23:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- In situations like this, it helps to ask the question "what are we losing if we sanction the user in question?" I would like people to consider that before they start defending scrooge, at least.-Flandres (talk) 23:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- He's been PMing me on Discord begging to unblock him and spamming his stupid Mario videos. I'm tired of this kid's bullshit.
Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 23:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Has Scrooge made any constructive mainspace edits? Bongolian (talk) 23:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'd favor a ban of π months (at a minimum) for egregious violation of the community standards, trying to coop anyone who upsets him, and making no worthwhile contributions here at all. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 23:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- (Edit conflicy) My deeming it as a "mistake" is not a literal mistake but my own exasperated judgement strongly disagreeing with yours, and my feeling correct when letting blocked would've prevented scrooge from further disruption. Perhaps there's silver lining that the unblocking also was a final straw for me and maybe something could be done, but this back and forth (which you might see as my actions as being too aggressive while I see yours as too accomodating) is tiring me. Apologies if I came off as abrasive. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 23:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- (STOP GETTING INTO EDIT CONFLICTS WITH ME!!!) Flandres, I created the page on Red Eagle Politics. Christpher, I'm NOT a nobody!! Unclescrooge (talk) 23:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- No need to apologise, I take most of the blame for any conflict. I do stand by my earlier defence of him but lately it’s mostly just been stubbornness (and frustration at the often flimsy block justifications, given how easy it is to wait for actual block-worthy edits). Christopher (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- (STOP GETTING INTO EDIT CONFLICTS WITH ME!!!) Flandres, I created the page on Red Eagle Politics. Christpher, I'm NOT a nobody!! Unclescrooge (talk) 23:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Has Scrooge made any constructive mainspace edits? Bongolian (talk) 23:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- He's been PMing me on Discord begging to unblock him and spamming his stupid Mario videos. I'm tired of this kid's bullshit.
- In situations like this, it helps to ask the question "what are we losing if we sanction the user in question?" I would like people to consider that before they start defending scrooge, at least.-Flandres (talk) 23:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- No problem, we can discuss this here. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 23:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- @PanGalacticGargleBlaster scrooge is a complete nobody; we can vote to ban him here, please don’t start a coop case over some trolling. Christopher (talk) 23:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Personally I think these discussions should be about how much you’ve done wrong, not what you’ve done right, but he’s made less than 50 mainspace edits and none of them were very good. Christopher (talk) 23:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wow, amazing resume, Unclescrooge. What will the wiki do without a page on some blogger that's been in draft zone for over a month, that time better spent on article improvement than wasting other people's time with you?
- Christopher, I do believe what he has done is blockworthy, just for disruption. Benefit of doubt is zero so in turn, bar for him getting blocked for disruption is also really low. That's how I saw things. I can see your way, I believe but I don't agree. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 23:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
UncleScrooge's primary reason for being here is to be disruptive. His behaviour hasn't improved in spite of the multiple short term blocks and other small punishments he has received. He's going to get banned eventually. We might as well do it sooner rather than later. Spud (talk) 00:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I would tolerate, even welcome US if he were original, funny or interesting at trolling. But he's just boring and tedious. I say we get rid of him. 主要行事月 (talk) 01:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- As noted in the coop, I support any punishment for Scrooge that looks like it could have enough support to pass. Bongolian (talk) 02:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well @Unclescrooge, let me explain what you are doing wrong: everything. You are an embarrassment to the small community of virtuous trolls here on the wiki. Going to the CC to "coop ban" members in better standing than yourself makes you appear to be an idiot. LGM is one of the most even tempered editors on the site, and you managed to antagonize them. To what end? And funny? No chance of that. As has been pointed out, you are a froward contributor. UncleKrampus (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I’d go up to a pi months block. I wouldn’t vote for a permaban, but this user is annoying enough that I also wouldn’t vote against it.
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 06:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I’d go up to a pi months block. I wouldn’t vote for a permaban, but this user is annoying enough that I also wouldn’t vote against it.
- Well @Unclescrooge, let me explain what you are doing wrong: everything. You are an embarrassment to the small community of virtuous trolls here on the wiki. Going to the CC to "coop ban" members in better standing than yourself makes you appear to be an idiot. LGM is one of the most even tempered editors on the site, and you managed to antagonize them. To what end? And funny? No chance of that. As has been pointed out, you are a froward contributor. UncleKrampus (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- As noted in the coop, I support any punishment for Scrooge that looks like it could have enough support to pass. Bongolian (talk) 02:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)