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::::Yeah especially since we banned Ken and nobs for going too far with their bigoted views. {{fontedtext|font=Z003}}--<big>'''Goatspeed.'''</big> {{User:CircularReasoning/sig1}}{{User:CircularReasoning/handle}}{{Fontedtext end}} 21:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah especially since we banned Ken and nobs for going too far with their bigoted views. {{fontedtext|font=Z003}}--<big>'''Goatspeed.'''</big> {{User:CircularReasoning/sig1}}{{User:CircularReasoning/handle}}{{Fontedtext end}} 21:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::Technically Ken shouldn’t have been banned, the vote to ban him was one short of the 2/3 majority that’s needed according to site policy. That ship has sailed now though, I imagine that the vote would pass if held today in light of his ban evading sockpuppetry. [[User:Christopher|Christopher]] ([[User talk:Christopher|talk]]) 21:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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Ace McWicked

So Ace has a history of "accidentally" misgendering Oxy and based on his recent edits, I think we should do something about it once and for all with a mod revoke. This has been going on for way too long. PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 19:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I have never misgendered anyone on purpose in my fucking life. AceSimple Maze 19:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Not sure if I would support impeachment based on the evidence presented...but may I suggest an interaction ban with oxy considering they stir up drama almost every time they see each other. It seems to have worked wonders in the Cory/Oxy scenario-the saloon bar is a lot calmer now than it has been for a while.-Flandres (talk) 19:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I was just talking in non-sequiters because I couldn't sleep and wanted to introduce some levity into the conversation. Only the stupidest person would consider anything I said as abusive. AceSimple Maze 19:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
In my day to day life I use slang almost exclusively. I refer to almost everyone as either man or dude. Now saying "dear fellow" is purposely misgendering? For fucks sake... AceSimple Maze 19:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Not an excuse for referring to a trans person as "it" Plutocow (talk) 19:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
(Ec) He was excused for making mistakes initially but after a period of consistent disrespect and callous disregard for term usage, he doesn't have the leeway as he used to. It doesn't help he engaged in blatant transphobic remarks and jokes.
Diffs
Mocning pronouns
Mocking pronouns
Iteration of the transphobic attack helicopter joke. (I don't buy the "it's a non sequitur" excuse)
--It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 19:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
YIKES PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 19:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
WTF? Are you fucking high? What the fuck is transphobic about that? Enlighten me.. AceSimple Maze 19:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Fucking hell. What it is the real fucking issue here? I lay in bed spouting random nonsense, get up, drive to work, have my morning wine then log into this shit fest. Again...fucks sake...Do people really think saying "Dear Fellow" is purposeful misgendering for the reason of pissing of Oxy? That's fucking priceless. AceSimple Maze 19:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
[EC]The last example isn’t “an iteration of the transphobic attack helicopter joke”. Continually bringing it (along with “dear fellow”) up distracts from the more serious Chicken Coop comments. Christopher (talk) 19:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Christopher. We should also look at wider trends, not just specific remarks.-Flandres (talk) 19:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Jesus fucking jumping shit those first two diffs are fucking bonkers nasty, I hadn't seen them before. What the fuck is wrong with you Ace? ShabiDOO 19:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
What, of anything I have said in the 24 hours is nasty? I don't even know what "transphobic attack helicopter joke" means... and are we religtigating shit that happened some time ago? AceSimple Maze 19:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Christopher : How so? He's basically saying "I have a pineapple that is called Steve and calls himself a woman". It's a variant, maybe not word for word, but it's still the same transphobic punchline that compares trans people to objects. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 19:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
[EC]The old shit wasn’t noticed at the time, it’s the worst example of a trend that’s clearly still ongoing. Christopher (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Maybe it was meant that way, maybe it wasn’t. I think it’s a waste of time having that debate when there are more clear cut examples. Christopher (talk) 19:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Sure. We can leave it at that. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 19:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Are we really this precious that random nonsense spilling from my maw and digging up shit that was long ago archived is now a fucking transphobic helicopter joke (what ever the fuck that means). AceSimple Maze

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── "But fucking her/him/cunt" is not random nonsense. It is vile. ShabiDOO 19:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Calling a female "fellow" is not abusive. Consider how US presidents traditionally address the nation ("My fellow Americans…"). The OED defines fellow as a person, "A partner, companion, or peer of another specified person, and related senses." Calling any person, "it" however is abusive. Bongolian (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

[EC]As I said before, the old archived stuff is the worst example of an obviously still ongoing trend. You seem incapable of leaving Oxy alone. Christopher (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Hence why I think an I-ban is a good path forward. Again, we have a fairly recent precedent for saying this type of penalty works.-Flandres (talk) 19:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I would support an interaction ban. Bongolian (talk) 19:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
While I'm no Oxy fan, she hasn't done anything excessively obnoxious since returning from vacation. Well, there was this one thing she did that was suspicious, but anyway. HBC and Ace got set off because Oxy claimed to have been born Muslim? Seems a bit excessive. I would've told them to knock it off myself, but due to IBan it's just in this part of the wiki. Core (chat) 20:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I don't know if I can comment on this, but I don't believe that Ace's remarks were transphobic. Given the context, they sure don't look too good, and I agree that Ace can afford to dial it down. I don't have much problem with an I-ban; it certainly worked for me. However, given Ace is a moderator, this may not be the right thing to do; he may have to engage or comment on the user he is banned from interacting with as part of his duties on the mod team. I certainly don't support kicking him off the mod team. He's a productive mod, hasn't done anything of such severity, and if people don't like his comments, they can vote him out next election. I propose a "soft" I-ban: he can only involve himself with the user when something is brought to the attention of the mod team, or the mod team brings up proposals or votes on policy. IveBeenFrank (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
While I agree with your comment, I think this is still objectionable, especially for a moderator. He should be the bigger person rather than act like some sort of troll. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
So hang on - let me get this straight. I've been hauled to the coop for calling someone who identifies as female "dear fellow" and for making weird comments about pineapples. Then old shit which could have been dealt at the time, but never was, is then used to justify this current coop and call for de-modding me? Do I get to now throw Leftymario in the shit because of things they said about me on Discord? Because the fucking level we are on now. Can I go through Oxy's records and pick up shit she said and was never challenged on a coop her? 3 times now... for fucks sake. AceSimple Maze 20:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I agree it's not worth of a coop. This seems to be making mountains out of molehills. All you need is for someone to tell you to knock it off.
Hey, Ace, Knock it Off. Enjoy this trout.
Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!
You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Somebody just wants to let you know you did something silly.

We done here? Core (chat) 20:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
No. It's a serious issue. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 20:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I mean, fucking hell. Seriously. Now just commenting on Oxy's talkpage, with bizarre gibberish about Muslim pineapples and calling her "dear fellow" is enough to get me cooped and potentially removed as mod? Holy fucking shit - what a goddamned fucking asshole thing to do. If you go back a few years you'll find a post wherein I threatened someone with with a Walrus. Let's fucking drag that one out while we are at it. 4 times... for fucks sake. AceSimple Maze 20:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I'm friendly with Ace off site, but I agree. He's going way too far in trying to antagonize Oxy. She's done her time and unless she does something worthy of further sanction, no-one should try to intentionally provoke her. Such intentional provoking is behavior unworthy for a mod. Indeed, it's contradictory to what moderators are supposed to do...reduce drama. I wouldn't support stripping Ace of his mod status over this, but it makes me less inclined to vote for him in the next elections. And I would support an interaction ban. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 20:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not at all for a soft interaction ban. Another moderator can step in if needed. ShabiDOO 20:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I think a 2-way interaction ban could be useful. The Ace V Oxy saga has been going on for a long time, maybe we should have done this sooner. As for de-modding, Ace hasn't done anything that warrants this. To my knowledge RatWiki has never before stripped someone of their elected mod rights, and I'd be uncomfortable seeing it happen unless abuse of privileges were involved. --RWRW (talk) 20:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict)As for what Cory said, I think we should have a vote on a penalty. These two have been a constant source of drama for years, so I am willing to take any shot at settling this. As for what Frank said...well, we do have five other mods.-Flandres (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
(EC)It probably would have happened with Ace before, had he not pulled a Nixon and stepped down.[1]
But as I mentioned, not in favor of doing that over something this petty. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 20:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I agree with RWRW, this has nothing to do with abuse of mod powers. RationalWiki:List of moderators on RationalWiki confirms it’s never happened before. I wouldn’t vote for anyone with an active interaction ban though, especially against Oxy who needs more mod attention than most (past history, plus an active sanction that gives mods the right to block her for “incivility”). Christopher (talk) 20:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

This is fucking ridiculous. Absolutely fucking stupid. Random fucking nonsense not even really directed at anyone, if you fucking read it properly. I'm fucking transphobic because I called Oxy "dear fellow"? And shit from the past being used as a cudgel to support this blatantly stupid coop? Un-fucking-real. AceSimple Maze 20:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────So... back to the coop between Ace and Oxy. This shit has been going for far too long. Firstly, let's start off with something very clear here; As a mod we have only a few duties (quite different compared to other communities). These being to set up discussion on topics users think important (things like administration of votes), as well as conflict mediation. Ace has ran afoul of this very transparently and without any reasonable doubt; his comment is a complete non-sequitur to the discussion at hand, is arguably transphobic, seems to only exist to piss off Oxy and is the latest in a long streak where he seems to have been consistently unwilling to learn her pronouns or refusing to directly use them when angered.

Interaction banning Ace should be the start, given that this is something that has been going on for at least a year and a half now. That being said, I also am recommending Ace to be stripped of moderation rights out of the following arguments:

  • Ace generally does not use his power as a moderator in any way that requires him being a moderator. He does not mediate conflicts, the most that he seems to do is post shit in the bar. He has explicitly started a completely avoidable conflict (this isn't even the "you just dont agree with me" kinda conflict, its literally pure shit-stirring) in the situation that led to this coop. Inactivity is one thing (and one I can't quite accuse of since I've been busy IRL lately, although my schedule is a lot more freeing from now on), explicitly running amok on your duties is another. Furthermore, Ace has rarely, if ever set up processes or votes.
  • Moderators with interaction bans will by default be less capable of moderating users. After the 2018 election, we also added that if you are sysoprevoked or banned that you cannot run. Based on the seeming motivation here being to avoid twats from becoming moderators, it would only be sensible to prevent users with standing interaction bans from being moderators, given we literally hand those out to people being twats.

Once the coop moves to voting, I will be voting for Ace to be stripped of his moderation rights as well as an indefinite interaction ban between him and Oxyaena. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Un-fucking-real. Trasphobic for referring to someone as "fellow". Like said above - every fucking US president who has addressed the nation as "my fellow Americans" should be stripped of their powers. If you go through my recent history of interacting with Oxy you'll note something interesting. A) I haven't misgenedered her at all as of months ago and B) when I have fallen afoul of that I have corrected it. This is fucking stupid and you should all feel stupid. AceSimple Maze 20:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
You ran afoul of starting conflicts up for no reason. I never said anything about fellow or whatever. For me that is far bigger the foucs of this subject (hence arguably). Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:35, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
That's not the problem here, you harass Oxyaena and that has been going on for a long time. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 20:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
So me merely commenting with random bullshit, not even directed at anyone in particular, on Oxy's talkpage is considered abuse? Fucking hell man, again, we are setting a low low bar. AceSimple Maze 20:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
[EC]You’ve made the same comment about three times now. You’re constantly antagonising Oxy, misgendering (both real and imagined, I agree the latest diffs don’t amount to much) is only part of it. Christopher (talk) 20:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Ace is constantly talking about "fellow" but never seems to mention "it". It feels like a strawman of our position. Plutocow (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

If you actually read what I wrote I even made it clear to Oxy that I wasn't accusing her of anything or abusing her in the slightest. I woke up at 3am, couldn't sleep, made a few random fucking comments, get to work at 8am, drink some wine and get ready to go about my day but this fucking shit pops up? Are you fucks really this precious. Look into my most recent talkpage archive. Oxy comes a along and made some shitty comment but did I fucking wail about it, bring her to the coop? Fucking priceless. And bringing out shit that happened over a month ago? Jesus fucking wept. AceSimple Maze 20:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Then what the fuck were your comments meant to be in the first place. "I once had this pineapple called Steve and Steve was once a female Muslim too. Then I ate him. He tasted ok, all things considered." This is in a thread about Oxy having been raised in a muslim family. Like, explain to me how the fuck else am I meant to read this as other than you making a non-sequitur comment designed to just kick up shit or devolve the discussion. You should not be doing this sort of shit as a moderator, this is the antithesis of what a moderator should do. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
[EC]That was 3 months ago, and an interaction ban would prevent Oxy from doing it as they’re always two-way. Christopher (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
IBans are always two-way to avoid one side from gloating about it to the other. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
So you are saying that commenting, in a manner that wasn't even abusive, on Oxy's talkpage is a coop case? AceSimple Maze 20:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
On its own it wouldn’t be. Christopher (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Anyone who knows their comedy would realise that some of what I said was lifted straight from The Young Ones while the comment about my girlfriend is the punchline to a joke. AceSimple Maze 20:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
http://crazyhyena.com/funny-captions-Schrodingers-douchebag-offensive-things MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 20:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Yeah - sure. That's what I did. Fucking moron. I've been spouting the same shit for 12 years on RW. You'd think by now someone would actually notice that "Ace is just a dick and/or unhinged. I don't "decide" whether something is a joke or not based around how people act. Like I said - I have been here 12 years and never once have I given a fuck about pretending to not be offensive. AceSimple Maze 20:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
@Ace McWicked If you were just a sysop, then it would just have been an ATIM case. The case in isolation isn't warranting of a coop case either. However, your long history of being a dickhead to Oxy, even beyond the reasonable cases where it's warranted make this just the latest in a long string of incidents. That makes it only possible for me to read this statement as an attempt to stir up shit or to devolve a legitimate discussion into something pointless. You posting while drunk is not an excuse for this. You are at least for now a moderator. That means you are in part an example for the community to follow. Your actions here are the furthest from an example to follow and runs afoul of your duties to be a mediator in conflicts. For this reasoning, you should not be a moderator. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
That means you are in part an example for the community to follow. Nope. That ain't right dawg. AceSimple Maze 21:00, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes that is right dawg. Moderators are community leaders, and therefore examples of good users by definition. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
No that's fucking not right. Show me where A) Mods are expected to be community leaders. The mods are specifically not community leaders - as enshrined on the mod rulebook (for lack of a better term). Secondly I have once and only once abused my mod powers and it was fucking years and years ago. Sorry fucko - you ain't right. AceSimple Maze 21:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
It's inferred. It doesn't need to be shown, it is literally the reason we have mods: To tackle problems the site has. This is not possible if the mod in question is being a problem. That by definition makes moderators community leaders. Community leader here is in the sense that you are an exemplary user who doesn't cause problems. Not in the sense that your voice has more weight than that of other users or that you get special pleading (also, you don't want to go down this path, since your comment would have been reverted and would have led to a short term block had you been a BON or a new user since it's virtually indistinguishable from regular trolling). The IBan between you and Oxy is one that needs to happen just to prevent this from happening again. The removal of mod rights is something that should happen because this is the furthest from how you should behave as a moderator. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
It's inferred? Well fuck that noise because it is fucking bullshit. I am a regular user until such time as I take mod action. AceSimple Maze 21:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
It isn't bullshit. It's what you signed up for when running as a mod. Every other moderator we have seems to understand this, except for you. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
It is fucking bullshit. I have been elected mod 5 or 6 times, have been here 12 years and fucking help write the fucking mod guidelines. But sure, I'm the one who is wrong. AceSimple Maze 21:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
[EC]Hardly applies here. You can’t decide to lift jokes from somewhere the fact. Christopher (talk) 20:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, Oxy just retired. Can we say the whole thing is moot at this point? Core (chat) 21:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Because she has never retired only to quickly come back before. Even if this was permanent, as Gutless Raven showed us we must not stop coops just because somebody involved has retired.-Flandres (talk) 21:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)+
Oh yeah - something terrible happened again which in several hours will be forgotten and never referenced again until the next time. Fucking shit this whole fucking thing. AceSimple Maze 21:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I am not gonna close coops on self-proclaimed retirements of users. We used to do that; all it gives people is a cheap out of punishments at risk of mockery if they do it. Oxy also didn't file the case, LGM did. She hasn't involved herself with the case so far yet either. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Not exactly. If User A is in the coop for bad behavior with User B and User A "retires", that shouldn't matter. But if B retires, then it's a moot point. And if B retires only to come back, well, shouldn't have "retired". Core (chat) 21:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. The coop is used to address problems between community members, those which often can be indicative of a greater problem (after all, the coop is our final resolution, ATIM is more for the day to day cases). Closing it because the filer retires would allow us to dodge the necessary self-inflection that might be required to proceed the case properly. In any case, in your situation, Oxy would be User C. LGM filed the case, not Oxy. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Honestly, this coop should not end until votes are counted. Too many users have expressed dissatisfaction with Aces conduct.-Flandres (talk) 21:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
This coop wasn't about Ace's interactions with LGM though. LGM is User C, trying to separate User A and B. B retired (and yes I know Oxy will likely come back, but if she wants to retire I will take her at her word). Unless that retirement was as the result of User A being excessively mean and chasing off B, which could indicate future harassment of Users J, P and Y, an IBan is kinda pointless. Core (chat) 21:22, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
How convenient! You take Oxy at her word on retiring precisely when it suits your agenda! Why are you so fixated on ending a coop case the majority of users here expressing themselves think needs to happen?-Flandres (talk) 21:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
While Ace's comments were clearly vile and borderline transphobic, I wouldn't support an impeachment; but I would support an interaction ban though, like we did with Oxy+Cory and Oxy+Frank. Impeaching a mod over anything other than doxxing or a clear abuse of tools could set a really scary precedent IMHO. But if he does get promoted I wouldn't shed a tear, seeing his truly damning comments on Oxy's identity as a transgender. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningPrototype lab 21:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Which comments? The ones from today or the ones I said ages OK which weren't actioned against at the time and were said in a seething manner after Oxy lied about a friend commiting suicide? AceSimple Maze 21:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
(ec) Presumably the reason mods are elected is to hold them accountable to the community, and if the community feels they are not doing a proper job as a mod, recalling them should be a valid option. Plutocow (talk) 21:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
It’s already an option, you can vote for another candidate in the election (as I’ll be doing). I don’t think removing Ace via coop is necessary. Christopher (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I shall censure and campaign against him as well this fall. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningPrototype lab 21:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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When someone says "Secondly I have once and only once abused my mod powers and it was fucking years and years ago. Sorry fucko - you ain't right." it gives me no reason to defend them in any way. How is he still a mod to this day? This is unacceptable. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 21:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
He was elected again despite that abuse, whatever it was. No need to dredge it up. Christopher (talk) 21:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Ah yes, a prime example of the argument from "oh bloody hell that was years ago" fallacy. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningPrototype lab 21:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
There is no reason to dredge up that time that Ace abused his power here. It carries no meaning on the present situation. Oxy wasn't even around back then. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
"Fellow" is a unisex term. It could mean boy or man, but it could also mean a female belonging to the same group as the speaker using the term. Of course I don't believe she was ever a Muslim. That's just me I suppose. UncleKrampus (talk) 21:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Should we raise a chicken coop against Helena Bonham Carter, alongside Ace?

I wanna raise a coop for Helena Bonham Carter for the following reasons:

  • Has antecedents of troll-ish behavior and harassment, has notably created a discussion mocking the fact that Oxyaena is an ex-muslim woman on her own talkpage. Additionally, she often brings up an old edit Oxy made on Wikipedia for no reason other than to mock Oxy, assuming that is her intent. https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ariel31459&diff=prev&oldid=2262215
  • Does not do anything productive to the wiki besides gossiping (See her user contributions), not a single edit on mainspace.

I believe her presence will bring nothing positive to RationalWiki and should be dealt with. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 19:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

“Not being productive” and a bit of shit-stirring isn’t coop-worthy. No one would be suggesting this if it wasn’t for Ace’s coop. Christopher (talk) 19:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Let Carter see this as a warning instead. If he still keeps up his conduct in spite of this, we can talk about coops and such.-Flandres (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
HBC sometimes adds good WIGOs etc. HBC from time to time has something insightful to say so I don't agree HBC is entirely unproductive. Though an interaction ban wouldn't be an insane idea as literally nothing good ever comes from the two interacting. ShabiDOO 19:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
HBC is not a Sysop (for good reason). Just give the person a short block for shit-stirring or trolling. Bongolian (talk) 19:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Weren't their rights recently given back though?-Flandres (talk) 20:04, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Checked the logs. SysopRevoke removed by Ace back in October, Sysop returned on Jan 14th by Kevlarstar, Sysop removed 20 minutes later by Bongo. Core (chat) 20:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Can't be arsed to find the diff, but I'm pretty sure HBC has made clear that she doesn't even want a mop. The sysoprevoke put on her by LGM was just basic vindictive bullshit. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 20:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps it came off as such, but if my memory was correct I did tell HBC to knock off with the attitude several times and they didn't listen so I figured a demop and ban would make HBC listen. Sysoprevoke was to enforce the thing, help other people block HBC for behavior, and to make sure someone with sympathies don't try to reinstill rights without discussion and a potential user rights warring first. Hope this clears up a bit even if my actions there weren't justified. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I take your side against HBC any day. But she had never had a mop in the first place and wouldn't (until that lovely Kevlarstar gave her one briefly). So mostly unnecessary sysoprevoke I'd say, though I don't hold that against you. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 20:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I see no reason to sanction HBC at the time of writing. I've told them off plenty of times and something tells me that I will probably do so in the future as well. For now however, none of their behavior would warrant any more sanctions than those we applied in the past. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
The example provided, while it shows incivility and grounds for a slap on the wrist, does not make fun of her for allegedly being an ex-Muslim (and instead suggests that she might be lying, which might be the case as Oxy does this shit a lot for sympathy). So I see no reason to sysrevoke HBC- which would be pointless anyway since as others have pointed out, she is not a sysop. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningPrototype lab 21:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
She is also practically the only really funny troll on this farm. She's a keeper.UncleKrampus (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Yeah especially since we banned Ken and nobs for going too far with their bigoted views. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningPrototype lab 21:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Technically Ken shouldn’t have been banned, the vote to ban him was one short of the 2/3 majority that’s needed according to site policy. That ship has sailed now though, I imagine that the vote would pass if held today in light of his ban evading sockpuppetry. Christopher (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)