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Thanks for the link! The bio does say he's a he and I assume he's a trans man; interesting historical reading nonetheless. The larger thesis seems to be about the commonality between the women's reproductive rights movement and the activism, loosely-defined, of trans women as it manifests in the politics of people of color.

Uke Blue02:58, 21 January 2013

I thought the article's point was that focusing on abortion rights discounts the concerns of trans-women to whom abortion rights mean diddly-squat.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX03:00, 21 January 2013

A trivial interpretation, I think.

"[N]o matter how one physically occupies the identity of a woman, the threat of economic hardship as a product of structural racism and misogyny, inevitability regulates their sexuality and how they engage their bodies in sex. / It also points to the historical similarities of community mobilizing that exists amongst all women of color..."

Uke Blue03:05, 21 January 2013
 

Well, if he is a trans man, it means he was once a she, and Cathy can doubly jump in a lake, cause he (then she) has not only seen the issues of being tran, but also knows what abortion rights mean to the world's women. NOt that a man born man, or woman born man couldn't know that. I'm just saying "he gets it".

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans03:18, 22 January 2013

"Well, if he is a trans man, it means he was once a she..." And now I expose my ignorance. Is it the case that all "trans" people have at some point in their life changed sexes, if that's what you mean there? I was under the impression that "trans" could simply mean "not fitting into the gender binary."

Theory of Practice "Seneca Falls and Selma and Stonewall"03:30, 22 January 2013

Postmodern gender terminology is a mess. Whatever impressions you have, there's bound to be a group that disagrees. This means that you're never quite sure what a person's history is based on the terminology applied to them. @Godot - I don't know. I tend to be sceptical of the idea of "universal sisterhood", as I'm sceptical of any claimed mutually exclusive qualities of something like gender.

Uke Blue04:41, 22 January 2013

Didn't say anything about universal sisterhood. but if he was once biologically a she, she could have gotten pregenat. This is not a dis on women who were genetically male once, but it is a reality all women share. Doesn't make it more or less "real", just a shared reality.

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans04:48, 22 January 2013

Ah, I didn't realize you were talking about the body. Thought you meant something more subjective about socialization.

Uke Blue04:52, 22 January 2013

Nah, purely body. I assume that biological girls who understand and/or present themselves as boys, probably have a deep fear of rape, since it seems to be a "common" punishment that our oh so healthy society does when it finds that someone who is self-presenting as a boy, has a vagina.

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans04:58, 22 January 2013

I'm not one to quibble, but "biological girl" isn't the preferred term for most trans men, at least for most of the ones I've read of and those I know personally.

Uke Blue05:30, 22 January 2013

Okay, stupid question time. When referencing any pre-transition time, assuming you're open about it, which gender do you use? Do you retcon your entire gender or not, or is it just up to an individual?

Scarlet A.pngsshole09:38, 22 January 2013

Up to the individual. Which describes most of this topic, actually.

Uke Blue09:44, 22 January 2013

I figured as much.

Scarlet A.pngsshole12:35, 22 January 2013
 
 
 
 
 
 
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TOP, i think i should have used "bioligically" there, to make my argument. my point was if he was once biologically a healthy woman (had all the parts, montly cycles, etc) than even if you don't "feel" like a woman, you are still aware of the reality that you can get pregnant if you are raped. it's something that passes all women's mind, i think, at one time or another.

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans04:50, 22 January 2013