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Raison d'etre[edit]

Instead of banning the conservative list and keeping the liberal one, let's do this. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 01:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Designators[edit]

This page should make the proper distinction between "liberal" and "left-wing." The erroneous conflation thereof has been a great advantage to extremists; first Reds quite transparently pretending to be "liberals," then right-wingers pretending that liberals were Reds. For example, this list could be used to say that liberals glorify fire and slaughter and hate their country. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Lol, get over it already, it's a "fun" page. ħumanUser talk:Human 06:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
What i dislike about this page is that these arent liberal songs. This represents only American Liberalism, and that is basicly social democratic left.. whilest in the Netherlands and Europe liberalism is centre-right to right-wing. examples; Classicial Liberalism --Brad1201 (talk) 08:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Direct from the tubes to you[edit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG6taS9R1KM
Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I cringed. You suck. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 19:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
What's not to resemble about it? That was A Mighty Wind in its purest form. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 19:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Sound's cute.Civic Cat (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2010[edit]

I'd like to do some major edits here. I doubt I'll delete things; but rather create a few new sub-headings, such as "not so 'greatest' "--or are there any defenders for all of the +10 Clash songs and Anal Cunt? Also, is there some sort of order here that I'm not seeing, because the listings don't seem to have an alphabetical order, chronological order, or order by genre.Civic Cat (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Johnny Cash?[edit]

What was so liberal about Johnny Cash? Last I checked, he was conservative like any good old country singer --Elvis is King (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Which is, of course, why he recorded "What Is Truth". Secret Squirrel (talk) 04:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Where does 'O Christmas Tree' #and its tune# fit into this list? ('Wide-eyed innocence') 171.33.222.26 (talk) 16:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Liberal bullshit[edit]

If anything this list proves what a load of hogwash the American liberal-conservative dichotomy is. A lot of these are not "liberals". And they're not conservatives either.-Albannach (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Where...[edit]

... does 'Ode to Joy' fit? 171.33.222.26 (talk) 14:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

what I did late December 2013[edit]

This last edit I just did on the list was perhaps my biggest edit yet on RW. I just might have covered all the bases, but it's likely that I haven't. Definitely no one should feel slighted if I deleted anything of theirs without good reason—most/all of my deletions are listed below so you can put 'em right back in, and sorry if I messed up anyone's presentation. I intend to go over this page and its previous edit to correct any mistakes be they others' or mine. So here's an account of most if not all that I did.

  1. added the following headings and sub-headings:
    Censorship and Free Speech, Decriminalization/legalization, Economics, Feminism, Notable artists/groups, The Beatles, Midnight Oil, Dead Kennedys, System of a Down, Privacy and attacks on it, More liberal than leftist, fetish, LGBTQI2S, masturbation, Addiction, Intoxication, and better living through chemistry, alcohol, other drugs, songs that actually celebrate rationality, snarky artists/groups, snarky interpretation, real deal (if at times extremist), a few songs on the Conservapedia list, a few songs on both CP and RW, and Video greatly adds to it (and perhaps a few others)
  2. got rid of the word "special" in the categories and put such categories under "Notable artists/groups"
  3. more or less put the categories in alphabetical order
  4. did the same with the song listings

Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 21:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

teh spelin eror korekd[edit]

Not all corrected as there were likely some intentional errors. I generally corrected those that stuck out. Apologies in advance to fellow Commonwealth RationalWikians for any hated annoying Americanism's: I gotta get a British dictionary lexicon.

  1. "to to" into "to"
  2. Acheivement into Achievement
  3. admistering into administering
  4. Amimals into Animals
  5. busy bodys into busybodies
  6. indicement into indictment
  7. Lampons into Lampoons
  8. Lyndi Lauper into Cyndi (I think that's how it's spelled) Lauper
  9. Manoeuvres into Maneuvers
  10. Micheal into Michael
  11. unintelligble into unintelligible

Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 21:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

stuff I deleted and why[edit]

If you don't think my reason(s) was good enough for deleting a particular entry, then, as I've mentioned above, put 'em right back in. Indeed, I might put in a few back. I find it hard to believe that every song by these artists/groups, or a particular album, is suitable for the list.

  1. "Anything by Anti-Flag"
    I never heard of them and 6 songs are already on the list elsewhere, and I gave them their own heading.
  2. "Anything by Bad Religion"
  3. "Anything by black metal bands Immortal, Dimmu Borgir and Emperor. Most black metal for that matter (most of it is anti-Christian, except "Unblack metal", which is for)."
    A lot of black metal is crap.
  4. "Anything by Megadeth. Particularly "Symphony of destruction" and "Peace sells" "
  5. "Anything by Devo."
    However, I think Devo should have its own sub-heading, at least eventually.
  6. "Anything by Ministry ( example: No W is about exactly what you think it is )".
    Some Ministry is lame and/or hasn't aged well.
  7. "Anything from Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut" album"
  8. "Anything else by Rough Trade, for that matter."
    Deleted from Sex and Love, but I kept and moved High School Confidential and mentioned Carole and Kevin in Transformation entry. Likely other songs could make it to the list, such What's the furor about the Fuhrer, Don't stop Johnny, Crimes of Passion, Birds of a Feather, It's a Jungle, maybe even the Pepsi commercial.
  9. "Everything by Pansy Division. (The gay right to parody heavy metal songs!)"
    though I left "Anything by Pansy Division."

Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 21:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

other notes[edit]

  1. I/we might want to add <no wiki>===Poverty===</no wiki>heading
  2. should "Don't Drink the Water", Dave Matthews Band be moved from Social Issues to Environment?
  3. I understand Ich Bin Ein Auslander" has been co-opted by neo-Nazi shitheads. I never liked the song anyway: even worse than "Wise Up." Much better was "Bulletproof."
  4. I moved "San Quentin", Johnny Cash. Tough on crime, huh? Mr. Congressman, you'll never understand" from Social Issues to Johnny Cash. Let others merge it.
  5. Is Depeche Mode's A Question of Time" supportive of teen sex. "It won't be long before you do exactly as the want/tell you to." Sounds like it could just as well be put into the Feminism, even Conservative, headings.
  6. I moved Personal Jesus out of sex and love and into unclassified as I'm unsure what it's about. Keep in mind Marilyn Manson's cover.
  7. Should I Fought the Law go into the Clash or Dead Kennedys heading?
  8. I took "We Don't Need That Fascist Groove Thang" from the anti-racist section and put it with the other in the political section. I'll let others merge them. Btw, could BBC be sued for libel for playing it?
  9. two "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" listings also need to be merged (like Heaven 17, one is also in the political section and another in the anti-racism)
  10. " "Some Girls", Rolling Stones. "Black girls just want to get fucked all night, I don't have that much jam!" " Anyone else wonder if there's a bit of racism here?      ("And the colored girls go, doo too too...,") ( R.I.P., Lou Reed.)
  11. I've made an extra link or two to CP, and a few to WP, but I might link from Wikipedia to here
  12. Tim Minchin: I never heard of him. I did a quick check on the article. He looks promising: hence I didn't delete but perhaps his fans could list songs.
  13. This list has gotten long, and yes, I've done my fair share to contribute to that. They way I see it, and I'm mostly indifferent to what to do, is:
    1. Leave as is.
    2. Split the article as they do at WP. The largest sections is Notable artists/groups, Sex and Love, and Political.

      Maybe there can be

      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative (Notable artists/groups)
      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative (Sex and Love)
      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative (Political)
      or
      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative (Notable artists/groups, Sex and Love, and Political)
      or
      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative/Notable artists/groups
      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative/Sex and Love
      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative'Political
      or
      Fun:Greatest songs, liberal and conservative/Notable artists/groups, Sex and Love, and Political
      With sub-pages being linked from headings
      or
      whatever.
    3. Vote out a minimum fraction of such.

Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 21:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Cosmik Debris[edit]

What does Cosmik Debris have to do with liberals?--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 06:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


Cut Down? Any objections?[edit]

So now that I've added a bunch of songs to this list I thought I'd propose removing some. I would delete just about all of these: *21st Century Schizoid Man King Crimson

  • Dance After Curfew Nash the Slash. Mostly instrumental, electric violin by a guy who looks a bit like the Invisible man.
  • From The Air Laurie Anderson
  • We Suck Young Blood Radiohead
  • The Beatles.[Remove section or come up with different songs, except for "Revolution."]

All You Need Is Love Humorous ideas of saving the world through love.

   Blackbird "Blackbird singing in the dead of night, take those broken wings and learn to fly. All your life, you were only waiting for this moment to arrive."
   Girl Ahh, girl.... obvious sound of inhalation of herbal jazz cigarette.
   Revolution Anti-war and anti-discrimination.
   She's Leaving Home The young must leave the nest, even if parents don't understand.
   The End "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love... you make."
   Within You, Without You Mystical ideas of saving the world through love.

[Marilyn Manson doesn't really need his own section, does he?]

Capitalism

   Animals Muse [Move to Political]

Drug Trade (mostly illegal)

   Smugglers Blues Glen Frey 

Sex Trade see also wp:Category:Songs about prostitutes

   Love for Sale Elizabeth Sheppard. She intended her version to be less sad/victimcentric than those previous (cool jazzy version).
   Sex Trade Worker Mourning/Morning Sickness<\s> [Move to Political?]<s>

Philosophical<\s> [really?]<s>

   All or nothing Au Revoir Simone. "Everywhere is somewhere baby So can't you see we're in the middle of somewhere. 'Nowhere' just means knowing nothing of where you been or where you're going."
   Blackout Muse. "This life could be the last, and we're too young to see."
   Castles Made of Sand Jimi Hendrix. It's just... philosophical. And it's Jimi.
   Eternal Fatalist Lowest of the Low "You say your moon's in the seventh house. But your butt's been three days on my couch"[5]
   Freewill Rush. [Atheist?] 
   From Both Sides Joni Mitchel [Look for lyrics]
   Help I'm Alive Metric
   Language Is A Virus Laurie Anderson
   Lucklucky Veda Hille.
   One Life Raggeadeth featuring Michee Mee. [In a Jamaican accent] "Love the life of live, and live da life of love. Cause after life there death......Raggadeth!"
   The Cause Broken Social Scene. I'm pretty sure he sings, "We all want to fuck the cause." Video features lead wearing a gas mask and waving a sword, while others play with paper bags over their heads. Leslie Feist (Mac's "I, 2, 3, 4, tell me that you love me more..,") was a member of this "musical collective" as well as Metric's Emily Haines.
   When something stands for nothing The Headstones. "This one's for nuthin', and this one's for fun, and this one's about rock 'n' roll, and comic books, and bubblegum." 

Sex and Love see also wp:Category:Songs about sexuality

   Almost any blues song singing about cars, trains, ham-bones and a bunch of other things.
    nbsp;You got a nice pair of headlights, etc
   Anything by Pansy Division.
   A Question of Time Depeche Mode, supporting teen sex.
   A Really Good Time Roxy Music. About a women who always has "a really good, really good, really good... time"
   All Grown Up Johnny Horton. Songs about incest, however, could easily hit #26 without raising an eyebrow. In 1963. On the U.S. country music charts. Go figure.
   Bodies Sex Pistols. According to the band, it's pro-choice.
   Closer Nine Inch Nails. "I wanna f*ck you like an animal." Bonus: "You bring me closer to God."
   Cotton Wool Lamb. Trip-hop love song.
   Darling Nikki Prince. It offended Tipper Gore so much that she decided to found the PMRC in the 1980's.
   D-I-V-O-R-C-E Tammy Wynette. A minor scandal when released because the subject matter just wasn't something discussed in polite company.
   Diddle My Skittle Peaches. "Cause there's only one peach with the hole in the middle."
   Dis Moi Mitsou. Was too much for Much (MuchMusic being Canada's version of MTV). Came around the same time as Madonna's Justify My Love and is better.
   Feel It Jackalope. It's the way she sings it.
   From This Moment On Shania Twain. She seem to have kept her end of the bargain with Mutt.
   Guacamole The Texas Tornadoes
     I grabbed her tomatoes, she grabbed my chili pepper and we were making guacamole all night long. (also done by the Pathetics)
   Hot Rod Peaches. "You're my hot rod. Give me your wad."
   Hot for Teacher Van Halen. A cute song about a minor wanting to have sex with an adult.
   How Many Licks Lil Kim ft. Sisqo (does this even need an explanation?)
   If You Love Somebody, Set Them Free Sting. Regrets writing "Every Breath You Take", tries to make up for it.
   Let's Get It On Marvin Gaye - Obvious.
   Sexual Healing Marvin Gaye - Ditto
   My Love performed by Petula Clark. OK, it rocks me, maybe that's not enough.
   Mystery Achievement The Pretenders. It's all about the "O", boys.
   Paradise by the Dashboard Light Meatloaf (a Republican). Showing how abstinence fails and leads to unhappy marriages.
   Pour ton sourire Jorane (with Daniel Lanois). I don't know what they're singing to each other, but it sure sounds hot. He with blues guitar, she with cello. (Might also give a few francophobes a change of heart.)
   Rattlesnake Shake Fleetwood Mac. Guess which snake this shake is about?
   Set It Off Peaches
   Steam Peter Gabriel. I think to PG steam = sex. Video starts with a parody of pimps. (If the link is dead try this one)
   Tattooed Love Boys The Pretenders. "I shot my mouth off and you showed me what that hole was... for"
   This Must Be The Place Talking Heads
   We Are Family Babes In Toyland cover of Sister Sledge.
   Wouldn't it be Nice Beach Boys (Young People.... having sex? For SHAME!!!!)
   Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too Say Anything. Atheism, stoned, and having phone sex. Obviously pushing somebody's agenda... 

fetish [Why is this on here?] see also wp:Category:Songs about BDSM

   Fetish Joan Jett. "Restrained... while I fuck your head"
   Fat bottom girls Queen. (For some reason the drum beat sounds like some sort of paddle or cane striking something; and Freddie Mercury telling some cowboy to ride them.)
   I Wanna Be Your Dog The Stooges. About as kinky as it gets.
   Sex Dwarf Soft Cell. Kinky spanking and such.
   Tie Your Mother Down Queen. Yeah, save all your "love" for me...
   Venus in Furs The Velvet Underground. S@M sex! "kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather" (sounds like a frikin' Doors song) (Note: there's a RW article on Mo Tucker) 

Masturbation

   All By Myself Johnny Thunders Heartbreakers. A messy little tune.
   Orgasm Addict The Buzzcocks. Your mother wants to know what all those stains on your jeans.
   Pictures of Lily The Who
   She Bop Cyndi Lauper _ the Rattlesnake Shake for girls (women too)
           Hey I've been thinking of a new sensation-I'm picking up - good vibration -Oop - she bop
           They say I better stop - or I'll go blind-Oop - she bop - she bop
   a certain Chuck Berry song—Audience replies/Chorus: "I want to play with my...,"
   many Jimi Page and Ted Nugent guitar solos
   the piano thing in the last few minics in Eric Clapton's The Neverending Song Layla.
   Magazines Brand New. 

Psychological

   Crazy Gnarls Barclay
   Crazy Seal
   Bedtime Story Madonna. About lucid dreaming. I think it was written by Bjork.
   Manic Depression Jimi Hendrix
   To Sir With Love Lulu (London, Black), Perfect illustration of the "Stockholm Syndrome" (at that time it was a psychological manifestation yet to be named).
   Where is my Mind? Pixies. "Your head will collapse, and there's nothing in it and you'll ask yourself..." According to this prat, mental illness is a disgusting thing common only in disgusting liberals. 

Addiction, Intoxication, and better living through chemistry alcohol

   Blackberry Wine Gordon Lightfoot
   Bourbon, Scotch, and Beer
   Deacon Blues Steely Dan
   Double Vision Foreigner
   Six Pack Black Flag
   Home for a rest the most noted song by Spirit of the West
   I Drink Alone George Thorogood
   I rather have a bottle in front of me (then have to get a frontal lobotomy)
   Let's get the party started Pink
   Philosopher Song Monty Python
   Pure Morning Pulp
   Red Red Wine UB40
   Sober Tool
   Suicide Solution Ozzy Osborne
   Teenage Beer Drinking Party Teenage Head
   Tequila The Champs
   Too Drunk to Fuck The Dead Kennedys
   The Power of Positive Drinking The Trews
   When you're drinking" Dean Martin's parody of When your smiling
   White Lightning both George Jones (R.I.P.) and The Fall
   that Doors song about making it to the next whisky bottle (R.I.P. Jim and now Ray) 

other drugs

   Comfortably Numb Pink Floyd. Though ultimately a song about the death of innocence, Comfortably Numb has been embraced as a pro drug anthem, despite casting the one administering the drug as a negative figure. Those dirty hippies just don't know what they want. (R.I.P. Syd Barrett)
   Drugs Talking Heads
   Heroin Velvet Underground (R.I.P. Jim Carroll) (Note: there's a RW article on Mo Tucker)
   High High High Paul McCartney
   God only knows where I'd be without you The Beach Boys. Hollie Cole did a cover and speculated that he could have even been singing the song to a bottle of pills.
   I'm not an addict K's Choice. She sounds a bit like the singer in Leslie Spit Tree-o.
   Nicotina Big Sugar
   One toke over the line
   Purple Haze Jimi Hendrix (Because ALL liberals are drug using hippies) (R.I.P.)
   Rehab Amy Winehouse (R.I.P.)
   Saigon Martha and the Muffins. One of the few songs about Saigon that doesn’t mention the war. "drinking, absinthe 'til dawn."
   Smoking in the Boys Room Brownsville Station and Motley Crew
   Sweet Leaf Black Sabbath
   The Needle and the Damage Done Neil Young
   The Needle Lies Queensryche
   The Perfect Drug Nine Inch Nails
   The Pusher Steppenwolf
   Smoke Two Joints Sublime. For all you hippies who want the herb legalized.
   What if God smoked cannabis [Maybe move this to legalization?]

As much as I like the Beatles, I'd hardly object to the sub-section going, though I'd tend to keep any sub-section with an article in RW. Drug trade and Sex trade are under sections of Capitalism. I think I put most of the philosophical entries in reaction to the earlier Beatles entry there, In the End. I'd keep most of the sex stuff, unless RW has gotten even more puritanical. I'd put in Addiction, Intoxication, and better living through chemistry alcohol, because the apparent celebration of alcohol here, particularly in "Essay:I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki, DRINK."bit.

I was thinking of creating a user sub-page of songs. There was some controversy about a sub-page I created a few years ago—one that was a bit more risque. I suggested a more innocuous one (title-wise at least) at the time, and nobody objected to it, but here in RW such seems to mean little. I refer to my intentions, I'm ignored, I do it after a decently long time has passed, and it's either instantly reverted without explanation or left for some lower order RWians to play the role of apologists.

That said, if I was allowed a sub-page, all of my entries could be removed from here without my protest (as I'd put them in my sub-page).

As stated earlier, one might also create sub-pages from this if it's getting too big.Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 18:42, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

As a side note, I'd just like to reiterate my position that Cosmik Debris is not a liberal song. Hippies, are after all, the archetypal left-wingers.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 06:56, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Reviews of "Cosmik Debris" on WP and allmusic.com don't mention hippies. Here are the lyrics from azlyrics.com:

"Cosmik Debris"

The Mystery Man came over An' he said: "I'm outa-site!" He said, for a nominal service charge, I could reach nervonna t'nite If I was ready, willing 'n able To pay him his regular fee He would drop all the rest of his pressing affairs And devote His Attention to me But I said . . . Look here brother, Who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris? (Now who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?) Look here brother, Don't you waste your time on me

The Mystery Man got nervous An' he fidget around a bit He reached in the pocket of his Mystery Robe An' he whipped out a shaving kit Now, I thought it was a razor An' a can of foamin' goo But he told me right then when the top popped open There was nothin' his box won't do With the oil of Afro-dytee An' the dust of the Grand Wazoo He said: "You might not believe this, little fella, but it'll cure your Asthma too!" An' I said . . . Look here brother, Who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris? (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?) Look here brother, Don't you waste your time on me Don't waste yer time . . .

I've got troubles of my own, I said An' you can't help me out So take your meditations an' your preparations An' ram it up yer snout "BUT I GOT A KRISTL BOL!," he said An' held it to the light So I snatched it All away from him An' I showed him how to do it right I wrapped a newspaper 'round my head So I'd look like I was Deep I said some Mumbo Jumbos then An' told him he was goin' to sleep I robbed his rings An' pocket watch An' everything else I found I had that sucker hypnotized He couldn't even make a sound I proceeded to tell him his future then As long as he was hanging around, I said "The price of meat has just gone up An' yer ol' lady has just gone down . . . " Look here brother, Who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris? (Now is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?) Don't you know, You could make more money as a butcher, So don't you waste your time on me (Don't waste it, don't waste your time on me . . . ) Ohm shonty, ohm shonty, ohm shonty-ohm SSHONTAY

--Read-Write (talk) 03:50, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I've always thought that "Cosmik Debris" was, like a lot of FZ's material, to be a poignant commentary on popular culture, and more specifically, a biting satire of woo. Nothing more, nothing less. --Cosmikdebris (talk) 04:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Yeah. Hence, it is not a liberal song.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 06:35, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Move?[edit]

Can't do it because i'm on mobile but "if you tolerate this..." by the Manic Street Preachers isn't an anti-war song. It takes its title from a poster encouraging welsh people to join the international brigade and go fight in spain against fascism and the lyrics criticise the complacency of countries like the UK and France who provided no support for the left-wing Spanish government. It's definitely not an anti-war song. HeadlessDenise (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2018 (UTC)