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Talk:Genetically modified food

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Excellent sources to mine[edit]

I've been wanting to mine these two Skeptoid podcasts/articles for ages now, but haven't gotten around to it. Float onward, brave flask post! To whomever it may concern! Mine, mine, for Goatness' sake, mine! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:50, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

The moon is a space ship! WAKE UP![edit]

No scientific consensus: http://www.ensser.org/media/0115/. This article is vastly flawed. Like the Penn & Tiller show it cites at the beginning, it uses vast amounts of disinfo couched in valid information to pummel the reader into accepting its conclusions via Trojan disinfo horse. It is too big and too obviously partial. For anyone who wants another perspective here is a link: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/02/an-essential-citizens-guide-to-the-truth-about-gm-crops-and-food/. This book is equally partial but is very well-sourced and will allow a more balanced view than that gleaned from specious corporate PR.--50.101.233.164 (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Colin Todhunter is the author behind the article you link. He's written troves of anti-GMO screeching. Fun facts include:

122.164.233.169 (talk) 07:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Aah, the best type of radical leftist — so deep in the fringe that you don't even notice that you've begun merging with the Alt-right. That's wonderful of you, to have to done so. Congratulations. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Also, just regarding counterpunch.org generally, don't miss their excellent editorial content on the vaccine conspiracy, the New World Order, the Illuminati and their fine selection of articles on literal holocaust denial.
I'm sure you think you're a genius for sidestepping the corporate media brainwashing and getting just "the truth" from your alternative media outlet. I wonder why so few people seem to have figured that clever anti-disinformation strategy out by now.
Here's my prognosis: you're an idiot for reading counterpunch — and if you're not, you'll demonstrate that by unbookmarking that hippie InfoWars knockoff this very moment. I'd pray for your soul, but I'm an Atheist, so... here's a good old College "Good luck!" instead. You'll need it. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:25, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

With regard to the third bullet point above, show where Colin Todhunter says any of those things. He does not say them in the Counterpunch article linked to, and after searching extensively, I do not see him make these claims elsewhere. Hiding behind anonymity while making false accusations is not what RationalWiki should be about. Moreover, deliberately attacking a person's reputation in this way is libelous. In general, the overall tone of this entry is immature and inflammatory and is based on unsubstantiated personal opinion. While criticising certain websites, reports and positions on GM food is valid and certainly welcome, there should be no place on RationalWiki for calling people idiots, implying they are hippies and offering to pray for them. Nor should there be a place for pushing a personal agenda against people or sites. RationalWiki needs to apply some quality control here. The author merely relies on rhetorical devices and throws accusations around by saying certain things are Trojan horse disinformation, that they pummel readers into acceptance, are vastly flawed and comprise anti-GMO screeching, without even attempting to verify such claims. Merely claiming something is true does not automatically make it true. The general tone continues elsewhere with the titles "The moon is a spaceship" and "Organic food comparatively sucks" as well as the posting of a video under that section which has no place in any serious discussion of the issue at hand. 122.164.233.169 (talk) 07:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Organic food comparatively sucks[edit]

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/01/23/organic-yields-lag-conventional-20-developed-countries-43-africa-meta-analyses-finds/ The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 23:25, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

In other words[edit]

I have a fever. Let me enjoy the little things. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Not surprising. Organic foods typically have lower yields. I find it ironic that organic is hailed as "eco-friendly" but at the same time, its yields are worse and therefore require more developed land to be comparable to conventional. I do know there are good components and conventional farming isn't perfect, but reality ain't anything like the image the organic tryhard industry likes to conjure up. LEFTYGREENMARIO 03:25, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Kurzgesagt finally releases long-awaited video on GMOs[edit]

Guess if our GMO article is right and NaturalNews is wrong? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Percy Schmeiser[edit]

I do not find anything wrong with what Percy Schmeiser did; if an useful trait improves some of my plants, I shall select for the improved trait. ¿Why should Percy Schmeiser have to pay? The trait showed up in a small percentage of his crops and he selected it. He signed no contract with Monsanto If Monsanto did not want all rational farmers to select for RoundUp™-resistance, it should have made the crops sterile; by leaving the crops fertile, it guaranteed that all rational farmers would select their crops for RoundUp™-resistance. Those farmers did not steal from Monsanto; Monsanto gave them free pollen and they just selected the best offspring. — Unsigned, by: 76.102.233.65 / talk / contribs

On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. You can also indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line. Thank you. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 01:33, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

They would've, but terminator seed research was forced to be abandoned because of folks not unlike him. (registered user who forgot pass) 70.45.60.225 (talk) 00:17, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Better get your propaganda in line[edit]

Media Bias/Fact Check lists CounterPunch as a site with high factual accuracy despite its articles detailing pro-GMO propaganda in collusion with the US federal government? What is this crap. Unacceptable

And again, Media Bias/Fact Check rates The Nation as having high factual accuracy even as it states that "The case against GMOs has strengthened steadily over the last few years." I can't believe it. So many holes to poke in your propaganda; it's almost like it's a precarious piecemeal attempt to hide the truth from the American public. — Unsigned, by: JustOwnedYouSon / talk / contribs 11:49, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Errrr. Sorry? Your point is just a little difficult to follow.--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 18:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
@Bob M You'll need to look at JustOwnedYouSon's contributions and read their talk page to get some context. In short, JustOwnedYouSon believes RationalWiki is part of a "propaganda network" to defend GMO/vaccine corporations. JustOwnedYouSon has also suggested that Media Bias/Fact Check is a "propaganda front group". CowHouse (talk) 03:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for the suggestion. But quite honestly I'm not really inclined to review a user's wiki contribution history in order to understand a single weird post. If he writes something it should make sense by itself. But thank again for trying to get me up to speed.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 07:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I didn't mean to suggest that you should look at their contributions. I only meant that it was necessary in order to understand the comment. I agree that the comment should stand on its own and I don't expect you to look at their contribution history. CowHouse (talk) 11:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I fully understand you were being helpful, and I'm really sorry if I seemed brusque.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 11:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
No need to apologise. You said thanks twice so I didn't think you were being brusque. I just wanted to clarify what I meant since it was ambiguous. CowHouse (talk) 11:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)