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lol[edit]

https://twitter.com/jfuerst0/status/950027663858651136 Dr. Witt (talk) 15:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

"Please dogwhistle your genocidal intentions, thank you" ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Description by London Student[edit]

http://londonstudent.coop/news/2018/01/10/exposed-london-eugenics-conferences-neo-nazi-links/

John Fuerst, a fellow of the UISR, spoke at LCI 2015 and 2016, and frequently collaborates with Kirkegaard on OpenPsych. As well as writing various blogs, which he describes as “race realist”, , he also frequently posts anti-Semitic conspiracy theories on Facebook. When questioned about his popularity on the neo-Nazi forum Stormfront, he stated that he had “no beef against…“Neo-Nazis”.”

SkepticDave (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
"Fuerst attended the UCL conference on intelligence in 2015 and 2016, alongside neo-Nazis, white supremacists and child-rape apologist Emil Kirkegaard who he has co-published papers with in the OpenPsych pseudojournals.[1]"
This is incorrect. Never attended. Check the conference speaker list. The other news articles corrected the error.
"Of course, I would tend to say that hatreds based on ancestors' deeds are not deserved -- but granting @Alex_Goldberger 's dictum, which seems to have more than a little currency, we should apply as consistent as possible."
This is misleadingly incomplete. The 2 part tweet continues:
"Of course, I would tend to say that hatreds based on ancestors' deeds are not deserved -- but granting @Alex_Goldberger 's dictum, which seems to have more than a little currency, we should apply as consistent as possible."
Does anyone argue groups should not be treated equally?
"eugenicist"
This is false and unsourced.
"anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist"
False and unsourced. Arguably make "antisemetic" comments.
Changes made.--PBJsandwich (talk) 17:34, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
So why does Fuerst list a UCL 2015 conference paper/speech he wrote on his google scholar?

Admixture in the Americas J Fuerst, EOW Kirkegaard 2nd London Conference on Intelligence https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=QEy6h1AAAAAJ&hl=en Pringles (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Kirkegaard attended conference, presented research. — Unsigned, by: Samiamsam / talk / contribs 05:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Plenty of evidence Fuerst is an alt-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist crank on the "racism and anti-Semitism" section already. Furthermore, just view his twitter to see his obsession with Jews and making more anti-Semitic comments; he also re-tweets white nationalists and Nazis.Pringles (talk)
Include the full quote if not the a link to the discussion. https://imgur.com/a/eDsOO Added. — Unsigned, by: Samiamsam / talk / contribs 05:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Minor correction made that Fuerst did not personally attend in 2015, but he still co-wrote the paper that was delivered by Kirkegaard. The point is though: Fuerst's pseudoscience was given in a UCL lecture attended by white supremacists and Nazis.Pringles (talk) 19:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Can you give an example of nazis that attended. I suppose you would say that Lynn is a "white supremacist". — Unsigned, by: Samiamsam / talk / contribs 05:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

A source about the conference, Fuerst's paper was presented: http://www.irr.org.uk/news/eugenics-free-speech-double-standards/

Earlier this month, the London Student newspaper revealed that a eugenics conference has been secretly held at University College London for the past three years. The London Conference on Intelligence has been hosted annually by James Thompson, an honorary senior UCL lecturer, who invited white supremacists, misogynists and eugenicists to discuss the alleged links between genetics and racial disparities. Contributors to the London Conference on Intelligence included Richard Lynn, whom the US-based Southern Poverty Law Center calls an ‘unapologetic eugenicist’ and a ‘white nationalist’. Lynn argues that ‘racial difference in intelligence’ causes differences in wealth, and that ‘incompetent societies’ must be ‘phased out’ to ensure countries remain ‘racially homogenous’. Eugenics has once again found a home in the modern day, particularly in regard to migration, whereby immigrants are perceived as a threat to a western nation’s success. Lynn claims that ‘mass immigration of third world peoples will lead to these becoming majorities… this will mean the destruction of European civilisation’. Toby Young, who was briefly the Director of the Office for Students before resigning over misogynistic tweets, also attended the conference, as did blogger Emil Kirkegaard, who has written supportively of paedophiles being allowed to have ‘sex with a sleeping child’.

Pringles (talk) 19:05, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
John we aren't playing any of your troll euphemism word games. You're not alt-right but a "neo-reactionary", not a racist, but a "race realist" etc. Just stop. You're alt-right/white nationalist. Someone only has to view your twitter to see this.Pringles (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Rationalwiki should strive for accuracy, not polemics.--Samiamsam (talk) 05:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

LOL[edit]

How surprising that looking at this article on "rational" wiki I just see one long ad hominem attack. Must remember not to waste my time here. 109.144.215.155 (talk) 14:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

'Bye then. Scream!! (talk) 14:53, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
'But I thought this was Rational Wiki' - and thanks for not wasting active contributors' (including would-be humourists) time. Anna Livia (talk) 15:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
109 is just Michael Coombs on another sock IP. Matches: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.144.219.141 Freddo (talk) 17:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)