Talk:White genocide

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This whole "article" is a straw man at its finest

On top of other faulty representations as brought up by other users, there is a false dilemma presented as a "solution" to white genocide in paragraph: "there is no way of preventing the situation without banning international travel, banning international students and eliminating lust" International students and travel? Brwahahaha. The biggest factor is uncontrolled mass immigration enforced without any discussion by establishment politics AND transnational "institutions" such as UN, UNHCR & "Amnesty international". ^{— Unsigned, by: 95.176.177.170 / talk / contribs}

Non-governmental organizations like Amnesty have no power to "enforce" anything. According to census records, 75% of America (which is a country founded by immigrants) remains white (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221), as does 86% of the UK (https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest), so not a particularly successful genocide, is it? It seems that literally every generation in history all the way back to ancient Rome has bitched about immigrants, who often end up doing the shit jobs that natives won't take. In the UK in the 60s it was the Irish, in the 80s it was Jamaicans, now it's Arabs. I'm just wondering who they'll be complaining about tomorrow; the Chinese, perhaps? 2A00:23C7:99A4:5000:1420:8E35:E07D:CE83 (talk) 03:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

The Chinese had been flavor of the week in the 19th century in the United States, so they kinda beat you to it. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 03:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme. 2A00:23C7:99A4:5000:5042:8129:936C:31DA (talk) 14:53, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

White World Awake!

White World Awake! by Jurgen Graf is the only source I know of that attempts to defend the white genocide argument in detail. Yes the author, rightly or wrongly, is a holocaust revisionist. His motivation for that as explained in the book is to act against white dispossession. Not including it means that people are unaware of an attempted defense of the argument.WhiteMan (talk) 04:18, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Eh, what, exactly, is it that you find so convincing about Graf’s screed? To me it looks simply like yet another dime a dozen conspiracy tract, including such standard fare as 9/11 trutherism in addition to Holocaust denial and its rather obvious title. Not including it is not some dire RW conspiracy to suppress The Truth™, but listing every conspiracy theorist work dealing with the supposed white genocide is simply futile and pointless.

The only reason to include Graf, as far as I can see, would be as a representative of your average white genocide conspiracy theorist, since he seems to reproduce standard conspiracy theory fare, incl. linking various kinds of nuttery into a Unified Conspiracy Theory (e.g, the aforementioned trutherism and Holocaust denial is linked with each other and to the overarching, grand white genocide conspiracy theory). ScepticWombat (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

White genocide is such a half-assed half-crapped thought, I don't see it worth defending whatsoever. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 20:34, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. My suggestion was a debunking, using Graf’s screed as an example, but I agree that it’s probably not worth the effort. ScepticWombat (talk) 01:27, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I am always up for debunking. I just find the entire concept completely hysterical, racist, and moronic. It's like trying to defend the idea that every Italian man is out there to replace our culture with mushroom spores. I also find it personally offensive,; by their definition, I am mixed race so it means I am not white and therefore, they count me no better than dead because I am not "pure". --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 17:21, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Well that's funny, because world leaders have made statements supporting the white genocide claim. See "Sarkozy : Métissage OBLIGATOIRE pour la France, pas pour Israël": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF6MezJ884M, also "Visions for 2050": Angela Merkel praises book predicting physical extinction of the German people": https://archive.org/details/youtube-PSPTGTpzbiIWhiteMan (talk) 01:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, look: some YT video and an archived one which doesn’t display Merkel supporting the claims but talks to some nobody and merely asserts in the description text that Merkel agrees. The best support for it (and I use the term very loosely) is: ”Einen "Migrationshintergrund" wird es auch nicht mehr geben, "da die Menschen so gemischt sind, dass jeder einen Migrationshintergrund hat".” And that’s from a debate(!) piece from a Springer newspaper authored by a climate change denier and his pal who also happens to (have) be(en) some sort of odd, German cheerleaders for Dubya through ”The Axis of Good”. So, excuse me if I don’t take your “sources” too seriously... ScepticWombat (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

World leaders are also not appropriate authorities to begin with. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 21:15, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

How appropriate is it to call "Christans" a group associated with White people?

I mean it was founded by a Middle Easterner (assuming you aren't a racialist pseudohistorian), and today Christians exist all over the world and in pretty much every ethnicity. The Ethiopians for example adopted Christianity long before even Rome did (in fact they trace their Christianity all the way back to the guy Philip baptized on the road to Damascus in Acts 8:27-38).Skadooshbag (talk) 17:51, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Considering RationalWiki's demographics (being mainly U.S. or European), I think it's pretty fair game to consider Christians as a group associated with white people. You can also read up on the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant designation, which is the majority demographic that dominated American politics for generations. As you can see, the "protestant" part is no mistake. We're not denying Christians of other races, it's that in the context of the U.S. and Europe (which in turn take up most discussion in RationalWiki), there are a lot of white people and a lot of those white people are Christian, moreso than Christians of other races in those countries. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 19:27, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Don't forget Armenia. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Do we gotta have that Wonka meme?

It's in a cringey 2011 format. I like the quote itself, maybe we could just have that but without the meme format? -Simoneh (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Also it kind of runs into "Yes. Minorities are treated bad in literally every country(especially non-western ones.) Try being black or even Zainichi Korean in Japan, try being Rohingya in Myanmar. Kurdish in Turkey. Yazidi in Iraq." Maybe replace this with something harder for the Chuds to reply to? @73.191.23.110

Reverting BoN

Comparing Hatian killing of French citizens I have trouble classifying as "Genocide". Here is their contribution with citations: A notable exception could be the massacre of 3,000 to 5,000 French people after the Haitian Revolution described as a "subaltern genocide" by one scholar [Robins, Nicholas A.; Jones, Adam, eds. (2009). Genocides by the Oppressed: Subaltern Genocide in Theory and Practice. Indiana University Press. p. 3. ISBN 978-0-2532-2077-6. The Great Rebellion and the Haitian slave uprising are two examples of what we refer to as 'subaltern genocide': cases in which subaltern actors—those objectively oppressed and disempowered—adopt genocidal strategies to vanquish their oppressors. See also Jones, Adam (2013). "Subaltern genocide: Genocides by the oppressed". The Scourge of Genocide: Essays and Reflections. With Nicholas Robins. Routledge. p. 169. ISBN 978-1-1350-4715-3 https://books.google.com/books?id=INwyX-ZKsVsC&q=%22haitian+slave+uprising%22#v=snippet&q=%22haitian%20slave%20uprising%22&f=false] as it was committed as revenge for the atrocities of Haitian slavery which killed or drove to suicide over 1 million people after their arrival to the slave colony.[Abbott, E. (2011). Haiti: A Shattered Nation. Penguin. ISBN 978-1-4683-0160-1. Retrieved 21 February 2013. p.27]

What say the mob?-RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

We should track Wikipedia as closely as possible in such cases

Why not rename it to "White genocide conspiracy theory". It's not like whiteness is going anywhere, it's sticky business. GGYagoda (talk) 07:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)