Chicken coop

Thanks for the heads up.

Hm, I'm wondering if maybe we should change it so that such discussions aren't "closed," but really just "over." The warning could instead read "This discussion has ended on <variable>. If you reply, don't expect anyone to see it."

Otherwise, we need to develop a procedure for closing Coop threads. Like maybe a week after the decision has been reached?

Well you guys are the mods, but to me if a mod has made the call that a thread/discussion is destructive/harmful to the site and as such closed a thread it should be closed. Otherwise its a toothless gesture and grounds for the potential wheel warring we are trying to avoid.

I don't think there's much difference between "closed" and "over," but as we've seen with the trolltop templates, just hiding comments doesn't get people to stop replying/arguing.

I think we need Coop procedures in general, but I agree that a week after a decision is the best timeframe for closing cases.

I don't mean to imply any wrongdoing, I just think this is something mods need to figure out. We do want to curtail endless handwringing and get some of the ugliness out of prominence, but we also want to allow free discussion and minimize mod interference.

I'm not a mod, but to me I think this becomes too much control. too much trying to make all of us wilde insane fools become some kind of army. Why can't you just move the relevant sections to some random page called "chaso hell" or some such, and let people keep whining. People will whine. they like to do it. People will fight. they want to do it. Maybe the mob's job is just to move it out of the "real world" of things like the Coop, and get it to a place the children can whine without harming anyone.

Whinging, bickering, even endlessly is not in and of itself harmful, it's harmful in that it blocks other conversation. so if it's not about an "action item" can;t you just say "this argument and anything else related has been moved to the chaos page - do enjoy playing over there", and keep the business of the coop, or the business of main space, etc., working?

You know, that's not a bad idea...

Removing said page from recent pages would be a good idea.

So after the close of a discussion, we could move any continuing conversations to the talk page with a link back to the section of origin?

If people (mods or whomever) are good about it, I suspect the conversation will naturally "stick" to the new page. That is, if i've had a conversation with someone on both their personal talk page, adn teh talk page of an article, the conversation usually tends to cycle to one page. Moving it let's people not feel censored, but also gets it out of stuff we all do monitor or watch. I'm better at ignoring stupidity when it's off on it's own place, and not center focus to something I'm actually reading. I suspect other people are, too.

I'm on board with this. Is it possible to move this LiquidThread to Community Standards talk, where we can hammer out some actual language to set this up? Or can you not swap a LiquidThread to a normal talk page?

This is why I was opposed to liquid threads in the first place. There might be a way to export a liquid thread, but I do not know what it is, and no doubt there will be complications.

I'm on board too, definitely. I think we also need some guidelines on when and how to close discussions and votes.

As far as I know, there's no (yet extant) way of exporting a liquidthread as wikitext.