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Pretty sure you know this person more than I would

but he (I think he's a trans man, vs. she a trans woman - it's hard to tell from teh name, and the bio intentionally or otherwise does not use a pronoun) came up in my usual reproduction rights articles here. enjoy if it's new to you!

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans01:47, 21 January 2013

That article reads like something right out of the Postmodernism Generator.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX01:54, 21 January 2013

I, like ListenerX, am rankled whenever someone uses words that I haven't approved of yet.

Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.02:42, 21 January 2013

I thought the same first time I saw it, though it's not to do with the word use but more about the phrasing and how it's structured. Perhaps not as far as the po-mo generator, but certainly reminiscent of a terrible undergraduate essay in places. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something stylistic that makes it a P.I.T.A to read.

Scarlet A.pngmoral08:48, 21 January 2013
 

Whaddaya know, the first comment I see is by Cathy Brennan, and it's oozing with contempt. What does she even do? It's like every time someone is talking about transgender issues on the internet, she's there. Maybe Brennan is actually a bigoted AI that gained self-awareness as Janice Raymond's PC

"Shut up, Brx."02:55, 21 January 2013

I'm calling Poe on that HuffPost account. Or maybe she's actually gone insane. Either is possible.

Blue (is useful)03:00, 21 January 2013

Brennan's post reminds me of something Fred Phelps said about a transgender/"cisgender" couple in one of those infamous faxes of his: "These two fags want to have perverted sex with one another, so they pretend one of them is a woman."

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX03:16, 21 January 2013
 

Either way, that sounds like Brennan's views, and if your actual opinion is indistinguishable from someone taking the piss out of your views...

Scarlet A.pngpostate08:45, 21 January 2013
 
 
 

Thanks for the link! The bio does say he's a he and I assume he's a trans man; interesting historical reading nonetheless. The larger thesis seems to be about the commonality between the women's reproductive rights movement and the activism, loosely-defined, of trans women as it manifests in the politics of people of color.

Blue (is useful)02:58, 21 January 2013

I thought the article's point was that focusing on abortion rights discounts the concerns of trans-women to whom abortion rights mean diddly-squat.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX03:00, 21 January 2013

A trivial interpretation, I think.

"[N]o matter how one physically occupies the identity of a woman, the threat of economic hardship as a product of structural racism and misogyny, inevitability regulates their sexuality and how they engage their bodies in sex. / It also points to the historical similarities of community mobilizing that exists amongst all women of color..."

Blue (is useful)03:05, 21 January 2013
 

Well, if he is a trans man, it means he was once a she, and Cathy can doubly jump in a lake, cause he (then she) has not only seen the issues of being tran, but also knows what abortion rights mean to the world's women. NOt that a man born man, or woman born man couldn't know that. I'm just saying "he gets it".

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans03:18, 22 January 2013

"Well, if he is a trans man, it means he was once a she..." And now I expose my ignorance. Is it the case that all "trans" people have at some point in their life changed sexes, if that's what you mean there? I was under the impression that "trans" could simply mean "not fitting into the gender binary."

Theory of Practice "Seneca Falls and Selma and Stonewall"03:30, 22 January 2013

Postmodern gender terminology is a mess. Whatever impressions you have, there's bound to be a group that disagrees. This means that you're never quite sure what a person's history is based on the terminology applied to them. @Godot - I don't know. I tend to be sceptical of the idea of "universal sisterhood", as I'm sceptical of any claimed mutually exclusive qualities of something like gender.

Blue (is useful)04:41, 22 January 2013

Didn't say anything about universal sisterhood. but if he was once biologically a she, she could have gotten pregenat. This is not a dis on women who were genetically male once, but it is a reality all women share. Doesn't make it more or less "real", just a shared reality.

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans04:48, 22 January 2013

Ah, I didn't realize you were talking about the body. Thought you meant something more subjective about socialization.

Blue (is useful)04:52, 22 January 2013

Nah, purely body. I assume that biological girls who understand and/or present themselves as boys, probably have a deep fear of rape, since it seems to be a "common" punishment that our oh so healthy society does when it finds that someone who is self-presenting as a boy, has a vagina.

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans04:58, 22 January 2013

I'm not one to quibble, but "biological girl" isn't the preferred term for most trans men, at least for most of the ones I've read of and those I know personally.

Blue (is useful)05:30, 22 January 2013

Okay, stupid question time. When referencing any pre-transition time, assuming you're open about it, which gender do you use? Do you retcon your entire gender or not, or is it just up to an individual?

Scarlet A.pngsshole09:38, 22 January 2013

Up to the individual. Which describes most of this topic, actually.

Blue (is useful)09:44, 22 January 2013

I figured as much.

Scarlet A.pngsshole12:35, 22 January 2013
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

TOP, i think i should have used "bioligically" there, to make my argument. my point was if he was once biologically a healthy woman (had all the parts, montly cycles, etc) than even if you don't "feel" like a woman, you are still aware of the reality that you can get pregnant if you are raped. it's something that passes all women's mind, i think, at one time or another.

Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans04:50, 22 January 2013