User:NotOnFlatEarth/sandbox

From RationalWiki
Jump to: navigation, search

Sandbox of the user, TheEOE.

Godless Cranium[edit]

Godless Cranium is an antitheist and liberal YouTuber. Most of his videos are responding to religious people and apologists, but sometimes he makes videos on miscellaneous subjects. As of June 2018, Godless Cranium's YouTube channel has more than 24 000 subscribers and more than 3 million views.[1]

The Heathen Hour Podcast[edit]

Godless Cranium hosts a podcast with another atheist YouTuber known as Shannon Q, called The Heathen Hour. It takes place every two weeks and topics usually concerning about religion, spirituality, the supernatural, and sometimes on political and social issues.[2]

Graham Ledger[edit]

Graham Ledger is a two-time Emmy-award winner that has very anti-liberal and wingnut views.

Gun control[edit]

Democrats talk about having the moral courage to pass more gun regulations, however they don't have the moral courage to tell the American people why they are so anti-gun.[note 1] [...] But, they also embody the very reason the framers of the Constitution put gun rights in the number two position of the Bill of Rights. The number of guns is the problem. Not the person using the guns is the problem. No, it's the number of guns. So right away, the Democrats are showing their hand. They are going after the number of firepower this guy had. That's not the point. The point is a deranged maniac. But what the Democrats are trying to do here is to limit the number of firearms any American can own. That's the goal of that statement.[3]}}

Global warming[edit]

And of course, Ledger is a global warming denier.[4]

Response to Liz Wheeler for the aftermath of the Santa Fe High School shooting[edit]

In a Final Point segment on May 18, 2018, after the Santa Fe school shooting, Wheeler has expressed her thoughts on people who say that "thoughts and prayers" [5], here's our response.

Liz Wheeler:RationalWiki:
Another school shooting, this time in Santa Fe, Texas. Ten people killed, at ten others injured. After a seventeen-year old who was reportedly a student at the school opened fire in art class. […] Ten families lost their precious loved ones today. Ten families are ruined. Ten families will never be the same. And hundreds of teachers and students will bear these scars forever. My prayers are with the families and the whole Santa Fe community, tonight.Liz Wheeler opens with describing a major tragedy as a major tragedy, but it's just an opening for her main argument. We're going to see her use this as a way to appeal to the audience with emotions and show that liberals attack her because she believes her "thoughts and prayers" adequately addresses the problem.

Yet.Here we go.

All you liberals can say is that my thoughts and prayers aren't enough.Wheeler addresses the "liberals" criticism of her "thoughts and prayers" quip. She may not be aware of the "thoughts and prayers" becoming a cynical meme addressing these meaningless words.[6] Even among survivors, the phrase is viewed as a dishonest, selfish, low-effort feel-good sentiment.[7]

So let me ask you, what are we suppose to do besides pray, when you liberals won't do what's necessary to keep our kids safe?By accusing her opponents as doing nothing while her opponents widely criticize the "thoughts and prayers" response to mass shootings, she is engaging in projection. Judging from political action, liberals and Democrats have, many times, proposed a policy to regulate gun usage to ensure the safety of others and prevent future incidents in schools. On the other hand, right-wing politicians continue doing little beyond meaningless platitude to people who have been killed and are suffering. They may counter by saying that they are trying to address the "real" problem, which they believe is not guns, however. Most of their proposals addressing the problem, however, are not viable solutions and do not reflect the somewhat limited, due to funding being stifled by pro-gun lobbies, but mostly conclusive research.

What are we suppose to do besides pray, when you liberals keep demonizing AR-15s instead of arming school security guards? What are we suppose to do besides pray, when you liberals blame high capacity magazines instead of fighting to enable teachers, like Coach Aaron Feis from Parkland, who was a certified security guard, to carry his firearm on campus.First, Liz Wheeler is just going on a smear campaign against liberals (like she usually does) and is not really addressing why saying "thoughts and prayers" is useful. Second, people "demonize" a tool capable of easily killing people, so it is not easy to overdo harshly criticizing such a thing. Owning an AR-15 is most often problematic; even in the "right hands", the owner always carries a risk of getting shot (e.g. misfiring, suicide, or confusing the police into shooting the owner) or hurting victims (ricocheting bullets, bad aiming, children touching guns), and it can get stolen, either by thieves or friends and family.[8] It is only worse when a "bad" person gets one. Arming teachers is a common proposal for dealing with future school shootings, but it creates many more problems than it solves (increases tension in students, scarce time and resources spent to arm teachers, plus the aforementioned abysmal cost-benefit ratio of owning a gun), and we have seen prior incidents.[9][10][11][12][13] Fourth, for your "arming school security guards" remark, a response to this can be found by PolitiFact, where in even cases with armed school security, school shootings still occur and the death count remains virtually the same, if not worse.[14] Finally, even if arming teachers and security at school helps, somehow guns are designed in a way so misfires do not happen and teachers have perfect aim and perfect emotional control, it doesn't solve the situation for non-school related mass shootings.

What are we suppose to do besides pray, when you liberals would rather call the NRA a terrorist organization then make sure what happened in Sutherland Springs doesn't happen again.This is a false dilemma. While the "NRA being a terrorist organization" is a common emotion-filled accusation, Wheeler may not understand what leads people to call the NRA this. The liberals that she has accused have attempted to take action many times, only for progress to fall on deaf ears. Case in point is the survivors of the Parkland shooting, such as David Hogg, who have become politically active. This is because the NRA is a powerful political organization with ties to many organizations, some surprisingly unrelated to gun ownership, that has historically stymied not only political action to reduce guns, but also restrict funding for research on guns.[15] It has in 2018 mobilized its followers to accuse victims of a shooting, that they want to take away guns[16] along with multitudes of other gun supporters ranging from powerful political figures such as Tomi Lahren and Laura Ingraham to people on Twitter who are far more vicious. The NRA also sponsors fearmongering propaganda in the form of NRATV. All this taken into consideration, this vicious pushback as well as inaction is what prompts people to cynically label the NRA as "terrorist". The result: there has been no major gun legislation in nearly six years following Sandy Hook despite efforts to introduce gun control.

Where the shooter, Devin Kelley, was able to pass his background check, because of government bureaucrats, who didn't update the FBI database, failed to keep a gun out of Devin Kelley's hands.Here's the closest to what Wheeler said.[17][18][19][20] Also, this just raises the question. What is a reasonable solution to prevent a situation such as the Sutherland Springs church shootingWikipedia doesn't happen again, like you said? What happened with Devin Kelley is just one account of government incompetence. One single case of a shooter slipping through the cracks is not representative of gun-deaths.

What are we suppose to do but pray, when all you liberals want are more laws, even though the FBI, Law Enforcement, the Air Force, you name it have failed to enforce the laws that we have in the books already that would've stopped the deadliest mass shootings that we've seen this year?To be fair, this is legit criticism.[21] However, as stated before, one account of government incompetence doesn't represent that all civilian mass shootings are because of a slip up by the FBI, Homeland Defense, etc.

Listen, I get it. You don't like guns.This is another false dilemma.

LoonWatch[edit]

LoonWatch is a self proclaimed "Islamophobia watch dog" that is a hit or miss. Where it hits is documenting real anti-Muslim prejudice. Where it misses is badmouthing those who criticize Islam and even going as far as defending Islam as a whole.

The good[edit]

The bad[edit]

Loonwatch has several articles that engage in straight Islam apologetics. One of these is where they assert that Christians can't criticize the Quran because the Bible is worse than the Quran because of genocide carried out by God and his prophets.[22] This of course, is a mixture of a whataboutism and a Not as bad as fallacy. Where the author is asserting:

  • Person A says the Quran is violent
  • Person B asks "What about the Bible? It's worse than the Quran."
  • Therefore, Person A's argument is invalid

One other thing to point is, as Steve Wells from Skeptic's Annotated Bible notes, while the Bible has nearly twice as many cruel and violent verses as the Quran, the Bible is a much bigger book than the Quran. Thus, 4.25 percent of the Bible contains violent verses while 8.53 percent of the Quran contains violent verses.[23]

In fact, they can never cite verses in the Quran that promote, sanction, or justify genocide–because they simply do not exist.

This of course is utter bullshit as there are several verses that do so.[24]

The irony of this is that this is the same tactic that Christians like to use when critcizing the Quran.

Notes[edit]

  1. Gee, I don't know? So more of these won't happen more often?

References[edit]

  1. Godless Cranium - About. YouTube
  2. https://heathenhour.fireside.fm/
  3. The Predictable Call For More Gun Control on Youtube.
  4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9pGgCu1Qjs
  5. Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named guncontrol
  6. Willingham, AJ. (May 9, 2018). How 'thoughts and prayers' went from common condolence to cynical meme. CNN. Retrieved June 9, 2018.
  7. Jones, S. (February 21, 2018). Parkland Survivor Warns NRA Lawmakers: "We Are Coming After You". PoliticsUSA. Retrieved June 9, 2018.
  8. Perry. S. (December 17, 2012). The health risk of having a gun in the home. MinnPost. Retrieved June 9, 2018.
  9. Teacher shoots himself in classroom in Georgia high school. Associated Press, 17 August 2017
  10. Georgia teacher arrested after firing gun in school, police say. CNN, 1 March 2018.
  11. Gun-Trained Teacher Accidentally Shoots Gun In Calif. High School Classroom. NPR, 14 March 2018.
  12. Three Guns Accidentally Fired In Schools In One Week; At Least 29 Killed & 51 Injured at Schools in 2018. The74, 14 March 2018.
  13. 2 “good guys with guns” accidentally fired them in schools on Tuesday. Vox, 14 March 2018.
  14. How do we prevent school shootings? PolitiFact, 15 February 2018
  15. Moyer, M. (October 2017). More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows. The Scientific American. Retrieved October 7, 2017.
  16. Analysis: Douglas students face high NRA hurdle in gun control debate Palm Beach Post, Wayne Washington, February 23 2018, 12:02 PM
  17. Why Did Texas Church Shooter Devin Kelly Pass Background Checks? Reason, 6 November 2017.
  18. Air Force failed to relay info that could have stopped firearm sale to gunman. CNN, 7 November 2017.
  19. Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons. The New York Times, 6 November 2017.
  20. Texas shooter allowed to buy weapons after Air Force failed to flag him USA Today, 6 November 2017.
  21. Could a tip to the FBI have stopped the Florida shooting? PBS 16 February 2018
  22. http://www.loonwatch.com/files/2011/03/what-the-quran-bashers-dont-want-you-to-know-about-the-bible/
  23. https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html?m=1
  24. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html