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== We're not alone....maybe. ==
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== Rome... ==
  
So some astronomers now think there could be [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7891132.stm 100 billion earth-like planets] in the Milky Way galaxy alone--and that many of these might support some sort of life. I want to, no I need to, stay alive until we make contact with some sort of non-terrestrial life, preferably sentient (both the alien life and myself by that time...)...this gives me a teeny, tiny bit of hope....[[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 12:31, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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How do you even do a history of Rome without mentioning the Catilinean conspiracy?  
:At the risk of reopening an [[debate:animal sentience|old quarrel]], how are you defining "sentient"?  Personally, I'm skeptical that there might be other creatures which have developed consciousness, complex languages and civilisations.  I think that single-celled organisms are much more likely, or perhaps something different altogether. {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 12:44, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::I'm a little curious on what grounds you doubt there may be such creatures?  Is there some sort of assumption that we are special somehow, or that these other planets are considerably younger? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 13:18, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::We are special.  It's not an assumption: it's an observation.  No other creatures on our own planet have developed the mental and practical capabilities and applications that we have, and we came to develop those abilities through an extraordinary chain of evolutionary development, every stage of which involved chance mutations and competition for survival.  I'm no expert in any of this, but I find it difficult to believe that a similar evolutionary path to a similar level of complexity would have happened simultaneously elsewhere.  I certainly don't rule it out; I'm just doubtful.  {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 13:37, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::Seems pretty thin, unless you're arguing against an alien species being ''identical'' to humans rather than ''similar'', which I'd agree with.  But the fact that we exist tells us it is possible for a species of our level to evolve.  There are plenty of species already existing on Earth which could easily be candidates for "intelligence" as we measure it, given a bit of time and circumstances.  Humans aren't really all that special, other than that we (like every other animal on the planet) have unique circumstances. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 14:01, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::Dolphins can be homosexual. That seems like a non-sequiter, until you remember that a species has to be civilized for homosexuality to emerge (I think I remember hearing that somewhere). Chimpanzees show signs of intelligence. Magpies recongize themselves in mirrors. Octopi have a sense of humor. How are we special? --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:03, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
::::Weasel, no one's saying there are Martians. But one would have to be foolish to assume that there is no other life in the galaxy. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:20, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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I know... just the tip of the iceburg, but wtf? [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 10:36, 19 February 2009 (EST)
:::::Weaseloid: "I find it difficult to believe that a similar evolutionary path to a similar level of complexity would have happened simultaneously elsewhere". How about following an entirely different evolutionary path to reach a similar level of complexity? Intelligent life could well have evolved elsewhere that doesn't resemble humans in the slightest. [[User:Alt|alt]] 13:43, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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:quo usque tandem abutere patienta nostra, aschlafly? {{User:LArron/sig}} 10:53, 19 February 2009 (EST)
::Sentient--self-aware and able to consciously act on and in the world somehow? I hadn't really thought about it, but even insects would qualify as so I imagine. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 12:57, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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:EternalCritic (I notice how you hide behind an alias).  First admit that Catiline was a Roman hero and Cicero a dirty liberal whose speeches were full of deceit. Deny this and lose credibility. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 10:57, 19 February 2009 (EST)
:::Oh yes, most animals are sentient. As a matter of fact, almost all animals but a few sessile invertabrates are sentient. And yes, I hope that we find alien life. It would be so fasciating to study an alien philosophy, in addition to their biochemistry! --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:11, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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:: Publius (what an absurd name) Unless you open your mind and admit that Catiline was a depraved revolutionary (and probably a socialist), and Cicero a hero of Conservative democracy I have more rational people to debate. [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 14:24, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:He also says that Rome was born from the Hellenistic civilization, despite it having been a separate and distinct civilization long before Alexander's conquests created the Hellenistic civilization. On top of that, he says that praetors were "Roman general" under Augustus.  While the office was often partly military in nature during the Republic, under Augustus and thereafter, the position of praetor was really purely administrative.  It is pretty clear he has done almost no study for this.
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::''In 700 B.C. the Etruscans conquered Rome, and King Etruscan ruled it like the city-states in Greece. '' - King Etruscan? {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  14:28, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Now now... Tarquinius is a big word for Andy. [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 14:38, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::King Etruscan, Etruscan King, all the same, these bloody French :-) {{User:LArron/sig}} 14:50, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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<- <font face="comic sans ms">1. Who is your favorite Roman emperor, and why? </font> Caligula, he was so nice to horses. Other opinions? {{User:LArron/sig}} 15:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:Elagabulus of course. [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 15:06, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::Cicero! [[User:EddyP|EddyP]] 15:09, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::Julian the Apostate! [[User:Kaalis|Kaalis]] 15:34, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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<-''of course'' should give you full marks, EternalCritic (if this is your name), but sorry, EddyP, you stated no reason at all. One point of...  Next question: <font face="comic sans ms">6. Current events question: What about the decline of the Roman empire reminds you of the United States today?</font> The Roman empire was build under the protection of the gods. When the Roman lost their faith and started to flock to some oriental religion, their fate was sealed. {{User:LArron/sig}} 15:16, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:Rampant pushing of the homosexual agenda by the liberal equites and plebes caused societal decay until the society collapsed under the weight of its own immorality. [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 15:22, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::: they were too big for their britches, didn't have a good communication system, relied on outsurced materials for most of their supply routes, and had supply issues.  wait, i forgot, Andy, you the teacher don't want history. -- They were morally bankrupt!--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 16:03, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::Andy also omitted to mention AQUEDUCTS!
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::::Just couldn't resist the excuse to post this. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  16:14, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::And thank you for doing so! ''romanos eunt domo'' {{User:LArron/sig}} 16:29, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:To be fair on Andy, he's not THAT bad. I go to a very good grammar school in England, and the history teachers there sometimes make mistakes on the same level as calling a Praetor a general. They don't have all the loony language theories and politics interfering with lessons, and the frequency of mistakes is not so great, but they do make errors that, when made by Andy, seem to be considered a mark of idiocy. [[User:Bil08|Bil08]] 19:22, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::All sorts of teachers make stupid mistakes and believe erroneous things to be true, but Andy's are constant and horrifying, and he stonewalls when presented with them.  Here's the game I've tried: choose a topic in history you know a little something about, go to Andy's paragraph/section on it, read it. How long does it take you to find a gross error?  With ancient philosophy, it was something like the second sentence.  [[cp:World_History_Lecture_Six#Church_Philosophers_and_Architecture|Church Philosophers and Architecture]]: the ''first line'' is nonsense: Nation-states in Europe in the 1100s?! [[cp:World_History_Lecture_Eight#The_Scientific_Revolution|Scientific Revolution]]: Galileo was a dim scholar, and a good party guest. [[cp:World_History_Lecture_Eight#The Enlightenment|Enlightenment]]: it's one big clusterfuck.  The bit on Voltaire is gibberish, and apparently very few good English philosophers have existed, so Hume is best. And so on. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 21:11, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:Haha EternalCritic and Publius, you two schlafly well! [[User:Tealish|Tealish]] 20:19, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::I think the term for two people Schlaflying eachother should be a ''Schlafloff.'' {{User:Publius/sig0}} 21:11, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::I'm afraid Andy is ''that'' bad Bil08. He's not simply making mistakes, he's engaged in historical revisionism, and this is only considering his lecture material, wait until you get onto the main site.... [[User:Jammy|Jammy]] 21:14, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::Actually Publius, having read through those links I have to agree with you. The paragraph on Hume alone has a half dozen errors. His chief claim to fame is that Darwin liked him? This man is allowed ''near'' children? --[[User:Bil08|Bil08]] 05:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::<font face="comic sans ms">Frenchman Voltaire (1694-1778) was a leading philosopher in the Enlightenment, advocating freedom everywhere and emphasizing his form of reason. He wrote "The Candide," in which Voltaire described many bad things that happen to Candide in order to make the point that the world could be a better place. Increased freedom was Voltaire's way of improving things.</font> Aschlafly is a true Pangloss... {{User:LArron/sig}} 06:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
:::Sentient is not necessarily self-aware. I think the operative word here is sapient. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 13:21, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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=== Andy just hates Rome ===
::::Give the laymen a break here. Yes, I am aware of the difference. No, I don't particuarly care. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:25, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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Of course, they didn't understand truth![http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Greatest_Mysteries_of_World_History&diff=prev&oldid=627861] Sorry Cicero, I guess veritas wasn't a word or a concept in Latin philosophy. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 23:42, 19 February 2009 (EST)
:::::Clearly, given the indentation, I wasn't talking to you.  Nice job getting riled up over nothing though. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 13:30, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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:Just don't try telling Andy that Philosophy is a search for truth... "god" forbid that conversation ever start. [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 09:00, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::::::If you think I was riled up, you should have seen me in Debate:Otherkin. Oh wait, you did. Never mind. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:31, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::Hominids have only been around for a couple of millions years and just a handful of millennia for something that can think abstractly, have self-awareness and produce an enduring culture. The chance of another entity developing at the same rate is quite remote when we are trying to pick just a couple of thousand years out of 4.5 billion. I think we are special owing to the Goldilocks syndrome, our planet is just the right size, has the right distance from a star of a certain size and contains the right elements to make us. I don't believe that there are billions of similar-sized planets orbiting similar-sized starts at similar orbits with the right components to have created something like us. For a start we wouldn't even be here if it wan't for a couple of catastrophic impacts during the Earth's history. So there may be a quite a lot of similar planets and only on a few of them will something that we might recognise as sentient sapient life exists. However, it is quite likely that there are entities quite unlike us both in size and appearance who have either lesser or significantly more advanced technologies. Anyone for a silicon based life form? {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  13:59, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::::::I ''am'' silicon-based- remember? We had this discussion over an episode of BSG. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:00, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
Hmmm, I find ''most'' of this discussion fascinating.  Si is a poor candidate - although chemically similar to C, complex silicon compounds tend to be rigid rather than flexible, which is part of the magic of organic chemistry.  Anyway, the tough part is that even if complex civilizations exist out there, the communications "window" is tiny.  For instance, we've only been broadcasting for about a century, and "listening" for quite a bit less than that.  Add in that no one knows "where" to listen, and that civilizations might likely ''stop'' broadcasting, and the galaxy could be teeming with life, even intelligent, communicating life, and none of us (the various species) would even know about each other.  See also, the [[Drake Equation]].  I think the broader excitement on the discovery/prediction (without bothering to read the article ;)) is that current theories of solar system development are pointing to a high likelihood of rocky planets forming in the "liquid water" distance range from their stars.  '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 17:46, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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== Palin's tax liabilities ==
:Yes, but I (nor anyone else to my knowledge) am not saying that we can contact them, merely that they exist. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:57, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
::"sentient alien life" = self-centred twaddle. We'd be lucky to find recognisable bacteria. I'm going to stop being crabby now. [[Mei]] 17:58, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::We'd actually be more likely, IMO, to locate "intelligent" civilization than the much more likely to exist simple life.  Why?  Because a civilization might invent radio, which spreads knowledge of them at the speed of light.  To find "simple" life, we would need to physically get to it, at vastly lower speeds of "exploration" and even more vastly narrower "penetration", by which I mean we'd have to pick a place to send a probe to.  Of course, a planet with liquid water would be a good target. To be carbon/water chemical life centric. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 18:19, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::My silicon-based life-form remark was a nod to a very early Star Trek episode with a semi-intelligent rock - ''It's life Jim but not as we know it''. The other point about rocky water laden planets is that their gravitational field needs to be similar to Earth's to produce a similar sized being. A very heavy planet would probably produce much smaller creatures while too small a planet might encourage too much growth. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  02:17, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::Ahhh... the Horta, the only living thing that could be bandaged with cement. Star Trek - corny production values, awesome writing staff..... As for life elsewhere, it's almost a definite as far as I'm concerned. When talking about the sheer magnitude of stars (and probably planets) out there, even the statistically insignificant becomes probable.  [[User:Sightblinder|Sightblinder]] 08:30, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::More interesting stuff from [http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/peter_ward_on_mass_extinctions.html TED]. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  12:50, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::I only watched a fragment of this when I posted the link (was at work) but have now watched the full 20 minutes. Interesting on so many scientific fronts. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  15:20, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::[http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/martin_rees_asks_is_this_our_final_century.html Another TED video] that impinges on this topic. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  15:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::::This will interest some - as it turns out [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7893414.stm "alien" life] may already be amongst us. And I am not talking about Otherkin/Therians either. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace McWicked]][[User_Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>Revolt</sup>]] 16:14, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Are the CP staff and users really commited? ==
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Since it's a huge news item and scandal that Obama's cabinet picks and chief of staff have tax-payment issues, why hasn't CP jumped on the bandwagon and posted the scandal of Governor Palin? Of course I'm being sarcastic and just showing that CP is extremely biased (isn't that what Wikipedia is?), but it's still funny that on CP, IOKIYAR. --[[User:Irrationalatheist|Irrational Atheist]] 11:38, 19 February 2009 (EST)
  
When I saw that the CP webmaster had an account (and not for trolling or vandalism), I became convinced that CP is coming appart at the seams. When a project's lead staff are defecting you kno t has problems.--[[User:Ipatrol|Ipatrol]] 23:11, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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== Non-profit ==
:I think they create account here to avoid a repeat of [[User:Aschlafly]]. - [[User:π|<font color="black">'''User'''</font>]] {{User:Π/Sig/randpi}} 23:14, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
::I wouldn't blame them - and if Andrew turned up here and asked us for Aschlafly, I think we would do just that.  Right now it's just a parody account. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 00:18, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Isn't CPwebmaster some geeky youth that deals with the technical stuff?  {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  02:20, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
Every time I see the title of this section I think "they should be! ;)" [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] 17:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Dawkins in the TLS ==
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Interesting to see JoshuaZ come out of hibernation, when you'd expect they'd have taken the chance to ban him months ago for inactivity, but [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=627315&oldid=627263 this comment] makes me wonder about something.  Is CP considered a non-profit organization in the first place?  In Canada, non-profit designation means some very specific things, and there are requirements for the designation as well.  It's not easy to get, as I recently watched my roommate fight her way through over a year of the application process for the local ferret rescue outfit.  Does the same apply in the States?  If so, what are the odds that Andy would have been able, let alone willing, to go through the process at all? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 15:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:In a very short sense, no, Conservapedia is not a non-profit.... There are very specific rules regarding the use of the term non profit.  Basically, in the eyes of the law, Andy just runs another vanity website and non-certified tutoring program. '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 15:28, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::That's what I thought.  In that case, JoshuaZ's comment is totally inapplicable, since CP wouldn't have any special leeway, and I'd be very surprised if anyone but Andy honestly thought the place was really educational. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 15:36, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::It reminds of one of those stupid office signs - <br>'''<big>This is a non-profit organization.</big><br><small>It wasn't meant to be, but that's how it turned out.</small>'''<br>  In some countries the term is "not for profit" rather than "non-profit" as it describes a statement of intent rather than an outcome. Didn't someone (probably Ames) once badger Andy about the commercial status of CP as the domain is a dot com rather than a dot org? {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  15:51, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::Could we call RW a [http://www.instantrimshot.com/ non-prophet organization]?  [[User:Hactar|Hactar]] 20:10, 19 February 2009 (EST)
  
[http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article5707143.ece Good read.] [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 11:20, 16 February 2009 (EST)
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Regarding blocking for inactivity, did anyone else notice [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AIpbreason-dropdown&diff=626556&oldid=621483 this]?  On the np thing, I did once ask Andy what the business model or plan or something was for CP, but he archived his talk page right after I did so. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 22:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)
:My such praise from Dawkins for a fellow author. That's a "must read".  Thanks for the tip, ToP.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 16:37, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Fun stuff to do with a Wiimote ==
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== TK and citations ==
  
[http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/johnny_lee_demos_wii_remote_hacks.html Here] and [http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ here]. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  12:47, 16 February 2009 (EST)
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Not to be picky. But, TK's actual words are "In the real, non-wiki/academic world, "citations" are never demanded, and politicians rely on that." He's saying that the academic and wiki world people demand citations - in the real world they do not. And, he's right. Check FactCheck.org and you will see plenty of times where politicians (from both sides of the aisle) make unfounded claims knowing that the general public won't check too closely. [[User:Patrickr|Patrickr]] 16:05, 19 February 2009 (EST)
:I love that guy. Why don't Nintendo get off their arses and do this properly!! [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 14:30, 16 February 2009 (EST)
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:On that same TK note, [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&curid=67467&diff=627639&oldid=627612 help help. He's being opressed] '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 17:27, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::I removed the academic thing. It's a bit ambiguous the way TK wrote it but I think it is obvious that he means non-wiki & non-academic. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  17:40, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Haha, Chuck's oppression link reminds me of the time he was screaming about his human rights being restricted because someone here blocked him for three days.  Hilarious. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 17:57, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::Yeah, TK is quite a piece of work isn't he..... It's so sad that the man (in the basest sense of the term) that gains Andy's trust is the same one who quite loudly and openly declared his intent to bring down the site. '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 18:08, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::TK and Andy were <s>intelligently designed</s> made for each other. [[User:Zaku|Zaku]] 18:56, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::Where has TK actually talked about wanting to bring down the site?  I thought that had been inferred from his actions, not his words. [[User:Hactar|Hactar]] 20:12, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::TK's actions have included composing e-mails and IMs in which he describes his plans to take down CP. Some people on this site have inferred from those actions that TK means to take down CP. --[[User:Marty|Marty]] 22:50, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::Are some instances of this cataloged somewhere on RW?  I'd be interested in reading them. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 23:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::See [[Conservapedia_Talk:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F#Who is TK and is he a mole ?|above]] for a couple of random quotes. Noobs might not know that [[Conservapedia:Sysops/TK|TK]] (or [[User:TK|TK]]) also socked up here with the names [[User:E.Wig|EWig]] and [[User:NightTrain|NightTrain]]. I don't think anyone was fooled for more than 10 minutes and that without the benefit of checkuser. To add an element of denial he used his E.Wig IM whenever he was plotting against CP or abusing one of his fellow sysops. If you read any of these transcripts you can see that it is TK who is doing all the talking so his claim that he was just trying to get information are a bit thin. While a CP sysop he founded a bulletin board forum called "Godspeed" (see right). Some other conversations with TK can be found [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831&direction=prev&oldid=275971 here] and at the Hoji files [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep231.jpg 1], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep232.jpg 2], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep233.jpg 3], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep234.jpg 4], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep235.jpg 5], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep236.jpg 6], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep237.jpg 7], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep238.jpg 8], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep239.jpg 9], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep2310.jpg 10], [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep2311.jpg 11] and [http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/Hojimachong/Sep2312.jpg 12]. Excuplatory1 is TK's "front of house" AIM name which <s>is</s> was posted on [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:TK&oldid=322051 his CP user page].  {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  02:55, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
== Anyone know how to set up Skype? ==
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== TK porn ==
My brother in New York's just pestered me for the dozenth time to set it up on our parents' computer.  Any help in this would be greatly appreciated.  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 17:26, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:You just download the software and install it. There's nothing to it. Once it's set up you can search on skype name or email address to find contacts. That's about it if you just want to use a computer to computer connection. If you want to call land-lines or mobiles then you need to set up a billing account, I use Paypal to automatically add GBP 10 when the funds run low. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  19:18, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::Ah, thank you Genghis.  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 20:25, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Just a minute to brag ==
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So, what's going on with you guys lately? Since TK likes to read here often and try to find us out on CP, I think we should try to make as many things reference him, without really referencing him. So if you can, somewhere include TK in any combination in your posting, socks names, etc., and let him know how much we appreciate his lulz. --[[User:Irrationalatheist|Irrational Atheist]] 21:08, 19 February 2009 (EST)
  
I've been working with chocolate as a hobby for near to 3 years, and i found a new technique to temper my chocolates, and they turned out soooooo good.  whoohoo.  I mean, they are the shiny beauties of high end production.  ok, thanks for letting me cheer/brag.--[[User:EnAttendantGodot|EnAttendantGodot]] 19:13, 16 February 2009 (EST)
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== Conservapedia Article ==
:Perhaps you could share the goodies? {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  19:19, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::What? That's it? You've just made me slobber all over my keyboard... and you STOP???! heartless wench. --[[User:Psygremlin|PsyGremlin]]<sub>[[User talk:Psygremlin|''Whut?'']]</sub> 19:20, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Pics or it didn't happen!  =P --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 20:29, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Heh, well, if you want to fly to denver (Westminster to be exact... just east of I-25 and 120th, I'd happily provide them.  As of yet, I've not figured out how to send them via e-mail. These were in the shape of hearts (copper dust painted on the outside, with dark chocolate & red pepper), the shape of cats (just dark chocolate) with purple dust eyes, and of course the obligitory truffles. this year I did Amaretto, Rose (in white chocolate - so super sweet), and Navan (Nivan?) (a vanilla cognac). I want to do this semi-professionally, for weddings and such, but any business like that requires years of practice, cause the last thing you want is a bride saying "what???? you didn't make the little bells????" Brides are freaky! ;-) I'm always trying new things, just come on by. it's a short hop from the UK, or chicago, though I'm not sure if it's all that close to Outer Mongolia, Genghis.--[[User:EnAttendantGodot|EnAttendantGodot]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (EST) (edit conflict)
 
::::OMG that sounds sooooo good! You have got to put up a pic or two. Hah, your hobby is making chocolates, mine is eating them. :p [[User:Refugee|<font color="#000066">Refugee</font>]][[User_Talk:Refugee|<font color = "#00F0A20"><sup>talk page</sup></font>]] 22:17, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::Still waiting for the photos! I'd love to see the heart shaped chocolates. [[User:Refugee|<font color="#000066">Refugee</font>]][[User_Talk:Refugee|<font color = "#00F0A20"><sup>talk page</sup></font>]] 20:40, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::LOL, yeah, photos.  um...  i have a cell phone!  ;-)--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 20:51, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== "Scientific Racism" (and possibly Neo-Nazism) on Youtube ==
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I really love [[cp:Conservapedia]].  Addison couldn't do a better job of belittling CP if s/he was a parodist!  Let's see how far the have to go to get ''influential users.'' Conservative created two articles which <s>he declared</s> were selected article of the year!  Ed <s>liveblogs about teen movies</s> <s>destroys math articles he can't comprehend</s> <s>is damned creepy</s> has primarily aimed at accuracy, rationality, and user cooperation. DeanS works as a technologically challenged RSS aggregator!  BethanyS made articles on ships (and hasn't added content in months)!  JM has made disorganized messes on painting, literature, and sculpture!  "TK has made many substantive contributions".  Name some!  And the wonderful hubris: "AddisonDM ... has created several 'high profile' articles such as Examples of Moronic Vandalism by the "tolerant", Obama-isms as a mirror of Bushisms, and the Conservapedia article itself."  In what way are these "high profile"? The term is ''silly''.  I'd never even ''heard'' of SharonS.  Note the absence of PJR, as well as ''any non-sysop.'' Next up, CollegeRepublican, who entertains the teeming millions of editors daily with his witty quips and humorous anecdotes. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 21:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:As I recall, it also claims that people can be promoted to bureaucrat.  Which has never happened, Schlafly keeps ''those'' reins tightly in his grip, right?  I think there is a "generic" auto-created MW 'crat, but that's just to jumpstart the wiki. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 22:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::Addison is a hero - my favourite CP character by a long way. Reminds me a bit of NateG in some ways.--[[User:KrissAkabusiAwoogar|Kriss Akabusi]][[User_Talk:KrissAkabusiAwoogar|<sup>'''AAAAWOOOOGAAAR!!1'''</sup>]] 05:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::The mythical SharonS (all 14/15 years of her) is the mythical "other" 'crat on CP, besides Andy and Webmaster. Not even Jallen has reached those heights, although $10 says I know what TK's hoping for next promotion...
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:::aw! and look - we have another [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia&curid=85796&diff=628057&oldid=627832 fan]. --[[User:Psygremlin|PsyGremlin]]<sub>[[User talk:Psygremlin|''Whut?'']]</sub> 07:45, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::I think Sharon's a couple of years older now maybe 16/17. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  12:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShLF3e9YHg8
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== "Worse than Hitler" ==
  
It's well hidden under the guise of "science" and "evolution", but it's clearly pushed by someone with an agenda. I would rebut it, but the problem is, I don't know much about human evolution and genetics, and I also don't know how to make videos.
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I still can't tell - is Jpatt [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:ACLU&curid=6346&diff=627840&oldid=627835 remarkably stupid or an incredible parodist?]  The whole exchange is fantastic.  I have to wonder how Jpatt manages to not drown in rainstorm.  On the other hand, if he's a parodist, I'm not sure I would applaud that level of dedication.  --[[User:Arcan|<font color="#99CCFF">'''Arcan'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Arcan|<small><font color=silver>¡ollǝɥ</font></small>]] 22:40, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:I just read that exchange and had the same thought - TK's just being an ass as usual, but JPatt's acting ''just'' like I would in his position.  He has to be a parodist, or my world just got a little darker. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 23:26, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::It's long, but I had to wigo it. How do these people find each other? Together, they're better than any sitcom on TV these days. [[User:Tealish|Tealish]] 01:33, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::JP's abuse of a senior admin (in terms of service anyway) is classic Bugler. PJR is on the outs with Andy and TK, so he can stick the boot in too. I should imagine PJR will have a fit at being compared to Hitler! Also I love "Joe the Plumber did not make concern enough to pursue." - JPatt's mangling of the English language is so cute. Wonder if he's one of Andy's homskollars. If only I had Tk's X-Ray powahs so I could see where he edits from... --[[User:Psygremlin|PsyGremlin]]<sub>[[User talk:Psygremlin|''Whut?'']]</sub> 04:09, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::IIRC, he's not a homeschooler, at least not one of Andy's.  I thought he had a papertrail (or a digitrail) before CP, but I can't remember it now.  My memory is failing on all fronts, but I'm also pretty sure he and PJR butt heads previously sometime before Jpatt was a sysop.  His English though... if you listen closely, you can hear your neurons screaming.  That's why I thought I might almost admire (in a twisted way) his dedication to parody.  Imagine writing like that consistently for almost a year.  Wow.  It does, however, make it difficult to argue with him, since it's so hard to understand what he's saying in the first place.  --[[User:Arcan|<font color="#99CCFF">'''Arcan'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Arcan|<small><font color=silver>¡ollǝɥ</font></small>]] 04:24, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::It's a simpsons quote, but whatever. [[Mei]] 07:29, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::I realize it was supposed to be funny (he says it's from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Eye_w/_Greg_Gutfeld Fox News comedy/talk show]) but considering that none of the rest of the post was humorous, that PJR is still tarred by the others as a liberal, and that PJR made a [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=627837&oldid=627833 mainpage talk post] about Hitler just 14 minutes earlier combine in a perfect storm of extreme stupidity, bad timing, and pure dumb luck.  Or, he's brilliant and he couldn't have timed it better.  He may have meant it to be funny, but his communication skills in general are so poor that it's tough to recognize intent.  Personally, I'm betting he's real, but that he resents PJR's eloquence and made the "joke" in a "half-in-fun-whole-in-earnest" kinda way. --[[User:Arcan|<font color="#99CCFF">'''Arcan'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Arcan|<small><font color=silver>¡ollǝɥ</font></small>]] 08:04, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
So I was wondering if anyone who had a Youtube account and a knowledge of human biology and genetics could tear this scum down. (And in case you were wondering why I put 'and possibly Neo-Nazism', it's because this person also 1-starred a video about a group of Jews fighting off Nazis in France. Combine that with the race videos, and you've probably got yourself a Neo-Nazi.) [[User:AwesomeJack16|AwesomeJack16]] 20:23, 16 February 2009 (EST)
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== all you people who think PJR is "reasonable"... ==
:No YouTube account, but I ''do'' have enough knowledge to refute this, if you give me a transcript. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::(EC)Very dubious.  I didn't watch the whole thing but flicked through it.  The vid mentions "race denial" a lot.  If you Google search "race denial", you'll see it's a phrase used almost entirely by white supremacists, who accuse political correctness & suchlike of denying the existing of race.  I'm not sure what YouTube's policy on hosting this is, since it's not out-&-out racist, but it is at least pointing in an implicitly racist direction.  {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 20:38, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Ugh, I have to watch it again CUR? lol. I'll make a subpage on my profile to contain the text of the video and the links and references on the side of the video. I really do not want people suckered in by this white supremacist trash, so I'll help in any way I can to demolish the video. [[User:AwesomeJack16|AwesomeJack16]] 20:46, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::We must prepare to use our power as teh rulers of teh innertubes to destroy this evil blight that is threatening our evil plot to destroy the world! <small>Make the page and I'll get on it.</small> --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::The transcripts and links are available through a link on my user page. I would appreciate anyone analyzing the content and the references in order to debunk this trash. I thank anyone in advance. [[User:AwesomeJack16|AwesomeJack16]] 22:02, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::I left a comment on the video. I would be very interested in people debunking this crap.[[User:DSFARGEG|DSFARGEG]] 20:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::I just flicked through it again, & noticed that the vid's final comment is endorsing "racial preservation". [[image:dictator.gif]]  Yikes!  {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 20:52, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Only a couple of clicks from there I found an [http://www.youtube.com/user/PreserveDiversity2 openly White Nationalist user / channel.]  Now I really am annoyed.  {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 21:07, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
Do we have a race denial article? [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] 16:51, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:Doesn't look like it.  We don't have a "scientific racism" article either.  {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 17:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::I'd do it but I find the subject too repellent to do the necessary research... [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]]
 
  
== A little problem ==
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...read [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&curid=67467&diff=627837&oldid=627833 this.] He's a first-class moron, and an asshole to boot. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 22:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:Obviously, {{ken}} hacked his account... or jellied his brains. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 22:58, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::PJR's always been like that.  He's perfectly reasonable about stuff like free speech, gun ownership and such, but the moment the Bible comes up, it's Darwin was an atheist, no new information and bring on the theocracy!  So long as it's his denomination, of course. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 23:13, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::This isn't just about religion, it's about taking a giant dump on the graves of millions of dead Jews, Poles, Slavs, Roma, Russians, etc. etc. in order to score a cheap political point. I've never understood those voices on this site who tolerate PJR like he's some sort of "gentleman" or "honourable opponent." He's not. He's a hatemonger and a profoundly stupid man. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 23:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::::Totally agree.  The only reason he comes off so well is that he's standing next to vile cretins like Andy, TK and {{Ken}}.  If we'd run into him anywhere else, we'd be raking him over the coals for his insane ideas about evolution and general stubbornness. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 23:32, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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PJR, if you're reading this, here's a thought experiment for you. You say the theory of Evolution, and Darwin's writings in particular, inspired the holocaust. Let's think about what Hitler did. He took a group of people who were different than him, and based on nothing other than their otherness, he decided to slaughter them ''en masse''. Now, does that sound like anything in ''The Origin of Species'', or does that sound a bit more like something out of the Old Testament? If you say the former, then I'm quite certain you know little about either book. [[User:DickTurpis|DickTurpis]] 23:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:It's been a lotta years since history class, but didn't Hitler's anti-semetism and the reason it was such an easy sell come more from Martin Luther than anywhere else?  --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 23:51, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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::I'm pretty sure that while Luther was an anti-semite, it was in a more religious than racial way. I believe that Luther wanted them to convert so Jesus could get back here faster. I don't think conversion saved anyone from the gas chambers, so I'm not convinced that Luther was Hitler's prime inspiration, but I could be wrong. It certainly wasn't Darwin, anyway. [[User:DickTurpis|DickTurpis]] 23:58, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Luther didn't invent Jew-hatin'.  It has a long and ingominious history almost as old as the Catholic Church., which was for a long time one of its main promoters. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 00:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::I often wonder what it would be like to run into CP editors in the street... do they spew out their hate at anyone who will listen, or do they keep their values to themselves and simply use them to guide how they conduct themselves in day to day life? That's one of the interesting things about these wikis... it encourages people to present themselves on the basis of their values and beliefs, not something we do in "real life". I'm sure there are people I work with every day, people I've known for years, that I would punch in the face if I knew what they were actually thinking in their private lives....  [[User:Sightblinder|Sightblinder]] 01:20, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::You have to remember that when people say PJR is okay, they are talking relatively, and only in certain circumstances. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 09:22, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::I'm going to be a little reductionist here, but: People who abuse the memory of Auschwitz as a means by which to, in an intellectually dishonest manner, score political points in the name of fundamentalist dogma are never okay, relative to anything, under any circumstances, full stop. The man should be treated here with the same disdain we give Ken, or Andy, or anyone else from CP. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 09:30, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::::Have you considered the alternative, TOP? That PJR actually believes this stuff. [[User:Ajkgordon|Ajkgordon]] 12:37, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::::PJR is an enigma. He '''''is''''' very reasonable when discussing a lot of the topics which teh Assfly deems important (like gun control) and he is one of the few (the only?) one of the non-parodist oldschool CP'rs who has the balls to talk sense to teh Assfly when he goes off the loop again. PJR's responses are well thought out, articulate and sensible... until someone mention YEC, than he becomes like the hulk (but instead of transforming into an awesome green monster, he becomes a creationist retard). --[[User:GTac|GTac]] 12:52, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::::::I know people just like him.  Perfectly friendly, reasonable, even eloquent and intelligent; but mention evolution and it all goes out the window.  Why? They're pseudo-fundies who have been brainwashed their entire life, running in circles which promote stuff like the whole Darwin-Hitler thesis. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 13:03, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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PJR's slime is all the more noxious because it is coated with sweet frosting. He only takes the high road with Andy when he is personally offended for whatever reason. He get's his dander up to defend his pride, not any sort of high minded ideal. His shout outs to this site are all the more ridiculous because of it.  <sup><small><font color="#ff0000">[[User_talk:Sheesh! |Me!]]</font></small></sup>[[User:Sheesh!|'''<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh!</font>''']]<sub><small><font color="#6ff6633">[[Special:Contributions/Sheesh!|Mine!]]</font></small></sub> 13:17, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
[[User:Yerranos]] has been treading the border between allowed dissent and spamming/trolling/vandalizing/not following the site's mission. We can't let this place become a dumping ground for every YEC and idiot on earth who secretly hates us, but we can't be like CP either. I'm incliend to block this user and show him the door, but I'm almost sure I'd be promoted if I did that. Any suggestions?--[[User:Ipatrol|Ipatrol]] 22:28, 16 February 2009 (EST)
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== The truth shall set you free ==
:That user has made any [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yerranos edits] since last June, so I think we're safe from them.  Whatever you're looking at by them must be very old edits or comments.  We don't block for ideology.  If somebody is vandalising or edit warring or trolling abusively, it may be necessary to block them for a short period (only an hour or so, to get them to stop) or put them in the vandal bin (see [[RationalWiki:Community Standards]] or [[RationalWiki:Sysop guide]]).  We don't ban users permanently.  {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 22:46, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::Definitely. We should be grateful that some of them might want to come here to ''discuss'' things rather than just sit on CP going "yeah, that's how it happened. THE TRUTH SHALL SET YE FREEEE!!". So ideological blocking has to be a big no no. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 04:59, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Looking for a Yoda ==
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Who's taking bets on whether [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Greatest_Mysteries_of_World_History&curid=83020&diff=627861&oldid=622105 this] turns into "did truth exist before Christianity"?
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:OK, Andrew Schlafly is a parody. A deep, deep cover parodist. Seems unlikely I know.... but it has to be true. The is the most idiotic statement I have ever seen. OMG, FUCK! [[User:Icewedge|Icewedge]] 01:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
Help! I need to figure out how to create a new essay and can't (be bothered to) figure it out on my own! Many thanks from the wiki-impaired......    [[User:Sightblinder|Sightblinder]] 23:25, 16 February 2009 (EST)
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:: I've wondered if Andy was a parodist, and I've concluded he's not, for one reason. Conservapedia isn't just a blog; he at least claims to be teaching students. If there really are kids taking his class, and he's actually letting them believe he's providing them with a quality education, all while knowingly running a parody, that's just evil. Parodying rabid conservatism is one thing, knowingly fooling with kids' education would be just evil. [[User:MDB|MDB]] 07:35, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:Create a red link to it, click on the red link, and start writing in the edit box.  Use "Essay:" to start the name so it ends up in the right place.  Example to copy: <nowiki>[[Essay:My profound insights]]</nowiki>  Put <nowiki>{{Essay}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{Essay|Sightblinder}}</nowiki> at the top to mark it appropriately. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 23:33, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 
::Or if you want to not bother creating a link first (though of course you should put a link ''somewhere'', or noone will find it) you can put "Essay:My wonderful essay title" in the search box. If the page doesn't exist, it'll give you an option to create it. [[User:Alt|alt]] 04:43, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Or alternatively you can create a supage [[:User:Sightblinder/essay]] and work on it, then when you're done, move it to the essay space. People are likely to ignore it in your userspace, there's nothing more annoying than someone commenting on a WIP with something blindingly obvious that you just haven't added yet :p. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 05:01, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::Tanks to you all.... let the rambling begin!  [[User:Sightblinder|Sightblinder]] 23:50, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Intresting site to help our efforts ==
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::Makes perfect sense, actually. Andy's ''insight'' here is perhaps best summarized as: "The Romans, who were [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=World_History_Lecture_Four&diff=next&oldid=627246 not known for their intellectual achievement], and were [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Greatest_Mysteries_of_World_History&curid=83020&diff=627861&oldid=622105 unable to discern truth], accepted Christianity as their religion..." [[User:Hydrogen|Hydrogen]] 06:25, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::And add ''developed a language which enabled powerful concepts that require sentences to be described in English but can be expressed in just a few words in Latin''. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  07:24, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::: As far as I can seen, his entire evidence for the statement that "the Romans had no concept of absolute truth" is Pontius Pilate's reported question in John 18:38. Oh, wait: St John was homeskooled by Jesus, so it must be true! [[User:Cantabrigian|Cantabrigian]] 06:50, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:Dear God, I caught this on [[cp:Talk:World History Lecture Four]] and was already about to bash my head against the keyboard, and now I see that this made Greatest World History Mystery status already? MAKE THE PAIN STOP! --[[User:Sid|Sid]] 07:15, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::World Mystery: Is Andrew Schlafly a parodist or just suffering from Narcissist Personality Disorder? [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 08:18, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::I'm tired, so I'll say briefly: neither - he's just a prize twat. There, I feel better now. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] 13:19, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
Look at http://www.quackwatch.org it seems to be a site that, like us, refutes antiscience, in this case medical antiscience.--[[User:Ipatrol|Ipatrol]] 11:03, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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== Linking to CP ==
:Cool, yeah, I think we have a number of footnotes that point to them in some of our articles on, well, quacks. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 17:40, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::Shall I establish first contact? --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:41, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Really?  [[User:Z3ro|<font color="black" face="georgia"><b>Z3ro</b></font color>]][[User_talk:Z3ro|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 17:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::No. Unless you actually want me to. I haven't been feeling particuarly sane today. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:46, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Namespace:fun ==
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Hi all,
  
I've run across some amazingly funny "Fun" catigories when just wandering aimlessly around here editing.  Maybe we can highlight some of the better ones, so people know what creative fools we (well, you, really, since i've not written any of them... but I'm all for TeamMembership(tm)) are.  A link on the front page or the Saloon for "Funny bit for the day" or something. Just an idea. --{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 17:10, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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When linking to CP could you please use diff links as much as possible. I just had to upload 3 identical pictures of the World History Lecture 4 and none point to the place of interest. Due to the file size this is time consuming even for a bot. [[User:Capturebot|Capturebot]] 02:25, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:When you cross something hilarious, go to its talk page and bring up catting it as "best of amusement". Three articles from that cat are randomly linked with every loading of the main page.  And the cat is linked too. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 17:56, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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:^^ This bot needs a hug. [[Mei]] 07:30, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
== Talk page height ==
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== oh for fuck's sake... ==
  
Am I the only one for who the height of the talk pages is bigger than it should be? I've got like 100% white space added to the bottom, which I didn't have before. I've only got it in Opera, not in IE (in before browser fanboys). --[[User:GTac|GTac]] 17:38, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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I just want to be banned. I asked for it, I was even told I would receive it, and nothing. So fine, I start being a regular dick instead of my own extra-special flavor of one, and I can only scrape up two weeks? Do I really have to go in there and start swearing? )# #(YH@#Uh [[User:68.178.98.82|68.178.98.82]] 02:43, 20 February 2009 (EST) Aziraphale, who's visiting Portland. Go ahead CP, BAN PORTLAND.
:Could it be something to do with the new "Add new section" tab, or has it always been like that? Either way, you're better off moving this thread to [[RationalWiki:Technical support]]{{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 17:41, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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::You may say that in jest, but they just might do it. Entire universities have been blocked before; it seems about time to move onto city and state wide bans. Sorry, Portland.. but at least you guys have your tax-free shopping to console you in the wake of this epic tragedy. [[User:Tealish|<font color="#008080">'''tealish'''</font>]][[User_talk:Tealish|<font color="#FFFF00"><sup>''???!!!''</sup></font>]] 03:22, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Aziraphale is an ex-CP editor who tried to inject a bit of commonsense and left with an extended Parthian shot. One could say that he was rational but not in a way that he woud be one us other than in a just passing by capacity. Blocking Portland would be of no consequence for Azi as he's just in transit. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  03:44, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::Whoa! Dean has just dished out a /16 range block and an ip [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=DeanS&page=&year=&month=-1 block] as per Aziraphale. Strangely neither one matched the BON above. Dance for us Dean! Dance! --[[User:Psygremlin|PsyGremlin]]<sub>[[User talk:Psygremlin|''Whut?'']]</sub> 03:47, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::Threatening e-mail, though?  Really?  That doesn't seem in character for Aziraphale. --[[User:Arcan|<font color="#99CCFF">'''Arcan'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Arcan|<small><font color=silver>¡ollǝɥ</font></small>]] 04:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::Wow, they even suck at censorship. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 04:16, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::Somehow I doubt that Azi is bothered about having his block extended. I'd be interested about know what the "threatening email" was about. Releasing details about Dean and the sheep? {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  05:16, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::Shit. If they took out Portland, there goes my help to set up another sock. They've already gotten Charleston, and most proxies get axed quickly. Curse you Teacake. [[User:ENorman|ENorman]] 08:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
== Frog ==
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== The Times of London on pre-Christian humour. ==
  
[[Image:Frog 1252062c.jpg|thumb|right|The gorgeous frog in question.]]
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So maybe someone can post [http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article5759723.ece this] for Andy to chew on? [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 10:18, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Ten new species of amphibians were discovered in Columbia. These include one orange-legged rain frog, three poison-dart frogs, three glass frogs, a salamander, and a harlequin toad. One wonders how long these beauties will last with cyptrid fungus spreading. Perhaps an article would be a good idea, no? Considering it is believed to be promoted by global warming. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:23, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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:Generating Assfly response.... "TheoryOfPractice, what a stupid name that is, your liberal deceit knows no bounds.  The so called "humor" discussed in that liberal screed are nothing more than obscenities and not True Humor®.  You probably also deny that 2+2=4 and that prayer in school makes Autumn leaves a thing of absolute beauty.  Godspeed.  Andy Schlafly".... [[User:HumanisticJones|HumanisticJones]] 10:58, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:Any comments? --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:09, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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::The term is ''Genuine Humor®'', otherwise well done and you get an "A" for effort. [[User:Tealish|<font color="#008080">'''tealish'''</font>]][[User_talk:Tealish|<font color="#FFFF00"><sup>''???!!!''</sup></font>]] 15:42, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::No, apparently. Can you write something?  Do you want to? '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 22:35, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Yes, I can. No, I suffer from delay syndrome. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:32, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Homeskooling isn't great. . . ==
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== This might expalin a lot......... ==
  
. . . but judging on the fact that one of my teachers (and a student) thinks that penguins are fish, and another person (who get's straight A's) thinks that Thomas Edison discovered gravity, I do not think that public skooling is that great either. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:36, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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Just pottering around and I came across this:
:Any teaching is only as good as the teacher (and ignoring the fact that going to school is about quite a lot more than just "academic" learning).. I had some absolutely brilliant teachers at school and some terrible ones. (one was sufficiently bad that my friends and I decided to leave some frozen fish in his classroom immediately before the school broke up for holiday for a week...) I guess if you're homeskooled and only exposed to teaching from a small group of people (quite possibly one person) then it greatly increases the likelihood that all of your teachers are rubbish. (p.s. - I can be rather pedantic at times. Has your English teacher taught you the correct way to use apostrophes yet? ;) ) [[User:Alt|alt]] 18:47, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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http://www.bay-of-fundie.com
::No, she's has'nt. Okay, maybe she has. But the point still remains that we are talking about people who are not qualified to be teachers. And the whole school is like this, aside from myself (I hope) and a few others. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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The 'Child Training' post of 18 Feb reminded me of my favourite 'educator' and might explain a lot if he's based his History Lectures on this!
:::Out of interest, do you have any idea what qualifications a typical US teacher will have? Here in the UK the usual route would be to do an undergraduate degree in the subject you teach (3 years for many subjects, but often 4 years for science/maths-type subjects) followed by one year doing a postgraduate certificate of education ("PGCE"), where one is taught how to teach. [[User:Alt|alt]] 18:57, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::Apparently it takes absolutely nothing, as the teachers don't know that penguins are ''birds'', for *****'s sake! --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::Exactly the case. Typically, the best homeschooling comes from intelligent, professional parents, who know they can do a better job and want to avoid an anti-intellectual environment, as opposed to the "Public skools are libural and hate God" crowd. I've known kids of both types and the difference is enormous. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 19:09, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::Given that my knowledge of the overall state of the US school system is pretty much zero I may not be the best person to comment. But my biggest problem with homeskooling is the possibility that one's entire education might be in the hands of one person. Can you really imagine what it would be like to have Andy/CP as your sole source of information? As someone who does quite a lot of (degree-level) teaching, that's the sort of thing which pretty much gives me nightmares. And I'm not kidding; it really fills me with despair that there might be people who's entire education is of the standard seen in Andy's "courses". As Publius says there will be some very intelligent and capable people who teach their children. But then there are people like Andy. [[User:Alt|alt]] 19:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::Is the "penguins are fish" teacher teaching biology?  Anyway, in the US, certs for teaching are pretty much managed entirely at the state level, ranging from probably a minimum of bachelor degree to master's plus.  As I recall, CUR isn't in one of the more "progressive" states, so standards might be pretty low. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 19:43, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::Understatement. Standards are so low they are in negative values. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
On the penguin thing: I was under the impression that all fish were reptiles, so shouldn't that applies to peguins as well? I mean especially considering Science has discovered that birds are really like little flying dinosaurs . . . penguins, like monkeys, are really flightless birds . . .  <sup><small><font color="#ff0000">[[User_talk:Sheesh! |Me!]]</font></small></sup>[[User:Sheesh!|'''<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh!</font>''']]<sub><small><font color="#6ff6633">[[Special:Contributions/Sheesh!|Mine!]]</font></small></sub> 20:30, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
(unindent) In most US states, being certified as a teacher means a minimum of a 4 year degree, plus individual certification in the subject you intend to teach.  To CUR, nobody has ever said that Public Schools are perfect, they have a lot of inherent flaws, and in terms of pure education, there are many cases where smart, qualified parents could do wonders with a student.  But school isn't just about book learning, it's about socialization as well.  School teaches academic skills and social skills.  I have never met a "pure" homeschool student who didn't suffer in social skills (even those whose parents worked together to create opportunities) and that's the true downfall of homeschooling. '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 21:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:Unfortunately, I could not learn social skills even if I wanted to- my brain thinks differently (therianthropy or not, so don't bring it up). --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:08, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::You said not to bring it up, so I will - don't both wolves and cheetahs have complex social structures?  ''Especially'' wolves? '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 22:48, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Ah, but different social structures from humans, human. For example, in wolf society, eye contact is considered threatening. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:20, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::There are plenty of humans who don't like eye contact either. You looking at me? [[User:Alt|alt]] 16:44, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Autism*cough* {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 16:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::I'm well aware that autism is almost certainly responsible for that. I am also aware that many think the two may be related in some way. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:30, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
Oh, and back on topic for a moment, I thought [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7893049.stm this] was an interesting read on teacher training in other countries.. [[User:Alt|alt]] 16:49, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:In my school, all of the sciences have at least one teacher with a PhD. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 16:51, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::Having a PhD and being a good teacher are tangentially related things at best. It's entirely possible to be a good teacher without one, and equally well one could have a PhD and be a lousy teacher. I've known plenty of people who fit both of those descriptions. [[User:Alt|alt]] 17:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::I struggle with the penguin as fish example because there are content goals for education and there are process goals (writing, thinking, and the like) for education.  You certainly need both, but it's probably better for schools to get students to learn how to look up that a penguin is a bird.  Education, esp. HS education, has become too content based and not process based.  There's also not enough on higher-order thinking skills as well.  [[User:Sterile|Sterile]]<sup>[[User talk:Sterile|walkie-talkie]]</sup> 18:41, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::But when a teacher thinks that, it concerns me. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 18:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::I recall my Sunday school teacher telling us all that penguins weren't birds because they don't have feathers. Sigh... [[User:Czolgolz|Czolgolz]] 23:13, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::This was asked earlier I think, but: what subject does the "penguins are birds" teacher teach? OK, so all teachers should have a reasonable general knowledge but does it matter if your history teacher (say) doesn't know much about penguins? [[User:Alt|alt]] 10:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== What kind of Liberal are you? ==
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[[User:Mick McT|Mick McT]] 11:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
See [http://www.fightconservatives.com/Inside-the-Book/What-Breed-of-Liberal-Are-You.html this].
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== THAT'S gonna be a huge job... ==
  
As for myself, I am a "Reality-Based Intellectualist". {{jsig}}
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So AddisonDM appears to be [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=AddisonDM&page=&year=&month=-1 going through the list of perma-banned users and deleting their user pages]--freeing up server space? Making those names available again for new users? Toadying up to TK? All of the above? [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 12:01, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:Same here. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 20:51, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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:It doesn't delete accounts, just userpages, so the names aren't freed up. I think he's just following Andy's advice. [[User:DickTurpis|DickTurpis]] 12:04, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:: Social Justice Crusader, -Yeah, that's about right.  men telling women what to do with their wombs makes me want to kick them in the happy parts.--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 20:56, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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::Dude, you're already an admin. Stop sucking up and start abusing your powarz!  [[User:Z3ro|<font color="black" face="georgia"><b>Z3ro</b></font color>]][[User_talk:Z3ro|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 12:13, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:::After reading your user page, I would have been suprised if you were anything but. Don't worry, I am all for a womans right to choose <small>and I like my happy parts where they are</small>{{jsig}}
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::: Wow, at 200 to 1000 bytes each, if they delete enough of them they may save a whole megabyte! Deleting the user page doesn't delete the user, so I can't imagine what they're trying to achieve. --[[User:JeevesMkII|JeevesMkII]] 13:57, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::::I concur (I like that word) with Javascap. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 21:06, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::Somewhere between Eco-Avenger and Reality-Based Intellectualist (I couldn't decide between a couple :p). {{User:Ttony21/sig2}} 22:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
Working Class Warrior [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 22:16, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::I got Social Justice Crusader. - [[User:π|<font color="black">'''User'''</font>]] {{User:Π/Sig/randpi}} 22:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::New Left Hipster. --{{Imagelink|17|17|10|-2|text-bottom|User:V|Image:V sig.JPG|V|y}}{{Imagelink|18|18|10|-3|text-bottom|User talk:V|Image:Guyfawkes.gif|V|y}} 22:26, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::::Social Justice Crusader. I thought the "Born in the U.S.A." option was a strange coincidence. '''[[user:FernoKlump|<font color="#000066" >FernoKlump</font>]]'''<sup>[http://www.conservapedia.com/User:FernoKlump/petition <font color="#bd2433" >Mr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition!]</font></sup> 22:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
So far, I completely fail - answer to question one: "all of the above".  Why do I haf to choozes? '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 22:50, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
:Lame quiz.  I wanted to answer "all of the above" to most questions, and "none of the above" to the rest.  Oh, and I'm an RBI.  For other insights on ''exactly'' who or what I am, see [http://home.comcast.net/~human747/surveys.htm here]. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 22:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
:"Reality-Based Intellectual", here.  Sounds about right to me.
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== Sorry Publius ==
:And according to its [http://www.fightliberals.com/Inside-the-Book/What-Breed-of-Conservative-Are-You.html bizarro duplicate], I'm an "Anti-Government Gunslinger".  Go figure. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 00:24, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::Hmm, make that ''two'' lame quizzes. "Free Marketeer", whatever ''that'' means. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 00:46, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::I'm a "reality-based intellectualist" - I think the questions are broken. Incidentally - userbox material? [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] 08:39, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
I'm an RBI and that quiz definitely needs some "all of the aboves". {{User:Edgerunner76/sig}} 09:53, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:Honestly? I needed a none of the above on almost all of them, perhaps I'm not a liberal (but Andy '''said''' I was!). --[[User:GTac|GTac]] 12:27, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::I'm a SJC but I wished that I could have answered "none of the above" to some of the questions. For instance I'd never use a bumper sticker. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  12:41, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::RBI - looks like a common score.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 13:07, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::Yeh I hate bumper stickers too. Seems a bit "Take ''that'', evul Republicans" to me. --[[User:GTac|GTac]] 13:09, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::Another RBI over here.  I'd be curious to see the breakdown across RWians. --[[User:SpinyNorman|SpinyNorman]] 15:31, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::I'm also a Flag-Waving Everyman conservative. But I chose the Dixie Chicks for the naked pyramid not because they're liberal but because they're chicks and I'm just a dirty old man. :(  {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  15:52, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::I had Great Difficulty with all these Questions.  But taking the least-wrong-answers I scored Peace Patroller.--[[User:Tolerance|Tolerance]] 18:58, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::::It's a Poe. Definitely a Poe. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:02, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::::RBI... and I might just try to find that Hummer bumper sticker.... [[User:Sightblinder|Sightblinder]] 00:01, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
These may be the worst quizzes ever. Apparently, as a libertarian, I am a peace patroller and and anti-government gunslinger. [[User:dream|<font color="teal" face="comic sans ms">dream</font>]][[User_talk:dream|<font color="purple" face="comic sans ms"><sup>ing</sup></font>]]<font color="Gray" face="comic sans ms"><sub> Hail Eris!</sub></font> 15:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Just another minute to brag ==
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I had to [[Schlafloff|do it]]. Anyone should feel free to add to it and have fun with it though. [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 12:32, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
I am very excited about heading to the Iron Maiden concert in Auckland this weekend and thought I wouold share my excitment. Its going to be a four day trip that includes, no sleep, drugs, adultery, hotel rooms, alcohol and Iron Maiden. Just thought I would share. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace McWicked]][[User_Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>Revolt</sup>]] 00:18, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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== CP - RW Boxing Tournament ==
:Hum, two things. 1) "pics or it didn't happen", and 2) live up to your name!--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 00:24, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::I expect pictures of TV sets thrown out of hotel rooms, at the very least! '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Iron Maiden?  I thought those guys were dead, or at least very old.  [[User:Z3ro|<font color="black" face="georgia"><b>Z3ro</b></font color>]][[User_talk:Z3ro|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 09:39, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::Their combined age is 311 but they claim that it's 666. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 09:56, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::Iron Maiden, eh? Nice to see that Grandpa isn't just relying on Social Security... [[User:Sightblinder|Sightblinder]] 00:04, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Kenny's Mentor? ==
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What do you think?  I think we should arrange an All CP-RW boxing match, with all money generated being donated to the winner's choice of charity..... If CP wins, all the money goes straight to the EF for Andy's mum, and if RW wins, we fight about where exactly it goes..... I'm no Tyson, but I do still have an undefeated record in amatuer boxing and I think I can take any of their top people.... Who wants to sock up and ask Andy about it.... Anybody? '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 13:32, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
I've been reading, with car-wreck fascination, some of [http://jadavison.wordpress.com/essays/ John A. Davison's], uh, "writings", having been alerted to his existence by a post today at [http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/sop_for_prophets.php Pharyngula]Is this guy related to {{Ken}}, or a mentor, or what?  They're just too similar in style for it to be a coincidence. I'm just boggling at his several-hundred-comment blog posts, with 80% or more of the comments being from himself, and getting flashbacks to {{Ken}}'s endless tweaking of his pet articles.  Can't find any direct connection though, except that the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=John_A_Davison&oldid=562877 CP article on the guy] artfully avoids what he actually claims to believe. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 11:30, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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:Sounds like if you took them all on at once the smart money would still be on you. [[User:DickTurpis|DickTurpis]] 13:41, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:Just a quick peruse of the linked article shows that they may hold similar views but Davison's writing style is much superior to Ken's. Notwithstanding that it is still utter tosh. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  12:32, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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::I don't know about boxing, but I've spent some time in the amatuer MMA circuit, and I'd gladly show up and ground-and-pound the crap out of any of them.  {{User:Z3ro/sig2}} 13:42, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::Well, Kenny is a moron, after all. You can't expect him to actually live up to the example of, well, anyone. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 12:53, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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::::You can take on the cat-ing freak JY23! He loves the MMA. Sounds like a good match to me. [[User:Neveruse513|<font color=#CC2200>Neveruse513</font color>]] 15:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::I'll join in too, one question though, do I at least get to punch TK? {{User:Ttony21/sig2}} 13:51, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::: Careful going near TK, you might get rabies. --[[User:JeevesMkII|JeevesMkII]] 13:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::That's the spirit Zero, just leave out the ground part of it and you're in... Tony, TK is going to go via lottery system.  I think everybody wants to take him down.... '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 13:56, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::No worries; I'll supply the evil liberal vaccines. Maybe we can take turns, like a meat market system. {{User:Ttony21/sig2}} 13:56, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::Yeah! Rationalise this! [[User:Ajkgordon|Ajkgordon]] 14:10, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::I'm in. Just call me Ken Masters--[[User:Nate River|Nate River]] 15:10, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::If we win, we can go on a massive drinking, drug/vaccination taking and gambling spree, and we can use the leftover money to hire the best lawyers to defend us for all the babies we'll have murdered. [[User:EddyP|EddyP]] 15:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::::Or we can use that money to petition in NJ the certification of homeschool teachers (while I steal a few dollars to get Street Fighter 4)--[[User:Nate River|Nate River]] 15:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
== Formatting help: African Jerba ==
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== On miscarriages ==
  
Soo... enjoying the humor of [[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Fun:Long-eared_jerboa]], I wanted to put a "catigory - not", and strike out the African Animal category. So it showed, but showed as if edited. Mostly, cause I'm in a weird mood.  Anyone have any ideas how i could get that desired effect?--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 12:09, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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So, CP's latest argument is that we should [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=627880&oldid=627871 focus on eliminating miscarriages rather than AIDS].
:Cateogries are a bit of a special case with media wiki. If you completely remove the cateogry box and replace them with a div that's constructed manually to mimick it (like where people have the "you have new messages" box at the top of user and talk pages) you can do it. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 12:13, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Wiki 101 Question ==
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Well, I'm certainly not going to argue with the idea in general -- that it would be good if there were less miscarriages.
  
Well, DinsdaleP just got handed a 1-day block by TK for uppity non-conservatism, and it got me wondering 2 things. What is the URL/statement used to display all of the blocks for a given user ID, and didn't we have a page on RW where the most-blocked CP users were listed?  If so I want to run the former and update the latter. Thanks.  --[[User:SpinyNorman|SpinyNorman]] 16:17, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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However... from my admittedly limited knowledge of embryology, it's my understanding that a miscarriage often is, as I've heard it said, "nature's way of saying 'something is wrong here'." In other words, a miscarriage is the mother's body realizing that the fetus could not survive if it carried to term.  
:Nevermind.  I had a coffee and remembered the obvious :-). --[[User:SpinyNorman|SpinyNorman]] 17:04, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Dublin  ==
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So, basically, reducing miscarriages would require some incredible leaps in our knowledge of the earliest stages of human development.
  
Totally random, off the cuff question, but we just booked a flight from Paris to Dublin, will stay overnight (no car), and then fly to Edinburough...  My question is, does anyone here have any recommendations on what to do in Dublin?  From food, to hotels, to pubs, to castles.  we can has a bus... and 24 hours!--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 20:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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And then my snarkier side asks a legitimate question: wouldn't embryonic stem cell research help a lot towards preventing miscarriages? I mean, you're dealing with embryonic tissue, right? Wouldn't that be the most logical place to due your research?
::Go to Trinity, see the old library and the book of Kels (not THAT Kels...), take the Guinness factory tour, do the Bloomsday tour w/Ulysses in hand...it's a great city for walking, lots of good pubs and good used bookstores, you can't go wrong with just wandering around. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 20:56, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::I live near Dublin.  I hear the Porter House is a good tourist pub.  The Temple Bar area is very trendy.  Grafton Street is the shopping district.  What local museums/galleries/landmarks do you know of?[[User:DSFARGEG|DSFARGEG]] 20:59, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::Dublin? Have a good time! I honestly know nothing about it, but I hope you enjoy yourself over there! {{jsig}}
 
::::::The Jameson Distillery tour is pretty good, & you get a shot of whiskey at the end as part of the ticket price.  Make sure you catch some Irish folk music - it's easy to find bands playing if you visit a few pubs, especially around Temple Bar.  You get good food in a lot of pubs, especially Irish stew & some great seafood.  & The beer is always good.  {{User:Weaseloid/sig}} 21:17, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::I am 18, so no alcohol for me [[image:zoff.gif]]... {{jsig}}
 
::::::::You'd be OK in most of Europe, you don't have to be 21 to drink. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  02:57, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::::::I remember my student exchange years in France.  It blew me away that 14 year olds were drinking.  Far more civilized, don't ch'aknow.  --{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 16:49, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::::Dublin Castle and Christ Church Cathedral are a must see, if you're seeing the sights.  Also the GPO, where you can still see the bullet holes from the 1916 Easter Rising.[[User:DSFARGEG|DSFARGEG]] 08:50, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
It was already mentioned, but going to see the book of Kels is really worthwhile! [[User:dream|<font color="teal" face="comic sans ms">dream</font>]][[User_talk:dream|<font color="purple" face="comic sans ms"><sup>ing</sup></font>]]<font color="Gray" face="comic sans ms"><sub> Hail Eris!</sub></font> 15:49, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:Heck, I could write one of those for you, save you the trip!  XD  --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 16:28, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Fuck off Fred ==
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Yeah, I know, I'm thinking like a rational human being, not a conservapedian.... [[User:MDB|MDB]] 14:41, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
I noticed on WIGO:World that Britain just denied entry to that wellknown homophobe Fred Phelps. Thank goodness for that. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  16:03, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:What you are saying, is basically that embryos that are sick or there is something wrong with are going to die by themself, like some sort of natural selection of the fittest! That sounds like filthy evilutionist thinking to me! Admit that you are a stinkin liberal or lose credibility. Godspeed. [[User:Etc|<font weight="normal" color="red">Etc</font>]] 14:44, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:I am also thankful that someone is standing up to that monster. {{unsigned|Shatoyaah C}}
 
::My view of you just took a giant leap. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 16:31, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Hmm... is this supressing his freedom of speech though? Meh, I don't care. Fuck the miserable bastard. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 16:37, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
Although I agree that homosexual behavior is wrong, I feel that the horrible misuse Fred Phelps is using of God's name is deplorable, something that any human being should be disgusted to see or use. It is for that reason that I lend no support to Phelps. [[User:Shatoyaah C|Shatoyaah C]]`
 
:Well, at least we all agree on ''something''. I feel pity for him, though, because I think he ''could'' be a rational, intelligent person- he just isn't. Another wasted life. --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:41, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Odd.  I've never understood why someone says a thing is "wrong" if it 1) doesn't hurt anyone, and 2) does not directly impact them.  I would never be into wearing High Heals and fish nets, and i think it looks bad on most people who do, but "so what."  Its hardly "wrong".  --{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 16:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::Well I was just getting the hots for that bun-haired librarian look but the odd flash of fishnets wouldn't go amiss once in a while (if you've got the legs for them). Now I will sulk for the rest of the night. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  16:52, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
The only people they are hurting are themselves, which is what disgusts me the most. They have sadly made their choice, and although I am against it, the actions Phelps does on a regular basis is sickening, even daring to suggest that soldiers who fight for this country are "guilty" of allowing tolerance. Although I believe it is wrong, they are free to do what they want to. Their only accountability will come after death. [[User:Shatoyaah C|Shatoyaah C]] 16:56, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:I'm not sure how much the real youngsters of the group have made a "choice". Certainly watching the Louis Theroux documentary you can't fail but get the impression that all the ones under the age of 18 are just reciting the lines given to them and have no idea what they're actually saying. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 16:59, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
::And you know this how, S.C.? --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:21, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
::I wish Phelps only WAS hurting himself.  Unfortunately, one of (if I recall correctly) his kids swore in court that dad abused them all rather badly, and used classic cult methods to keep them from even thinking about leaving. The fact that Phelps hasn't been eaten by a plague of locusts is one of the strongest DISproofs of the existence of a benevolent god I can think of, beating out even birth defects, parasites, and the entire Bush administration. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 06:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
(major edit conflict...):::Yeah, but Shatoyaah, there's the rubThey (teh gays) aren't hurting themselves, are they? They are living a life that is in truth to who they are, without deceit, without self-denial, without self loathing, and finding someone they can love, be open with, and share a life long commitment (if that's what each couple chooses). This is a beautiful thing, to express love, love of self and others. Living for someone who says you should hate yourself, or change core aspects of yourself -- that's the hurt.--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 17:38, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:: This line summed up just how unbelievably out of touch with reality Andy is: "embryo loss, which is probably the leading cause of human suffering."  Abortion and miscarriageThe leading cause of human suffering. Not war, famine, disease, poverty, racism, drug abuse, and general violence. Way to demean the suffering of everyone who wasn't born into a rich New England family. {{User:Publius/sig0}} 14:50, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:::Generally speaking I'm all for free speech and all that, and think that it's better to debate with people rather than just censor their viewpoint because it disagrees with yours. However, Fred Phelps makes me question that position. To anyone who hasn't seen the documentary by Louis Theroux entitled "The most hated family in America" I would strongly recommend it. [[User:Alt|alt]] 17:54, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::Fred's in good company - wasn't Geert Wilders also booted out the other day? --[[User:Psygremlin|PsyGremlin]]<sub>[[User talk:Psygremlin|''Whut?'']]</sub> 03:58, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
There's an interesting point here - we Brit's don't have the huge issues about Free Speech that Mercans have. It is ''not'' one of our fundamental rights - we don't have constitution as such but if we did it wouldn't be in it. There are some very complex debates as to whether this is a Good Thing or a Bad Thing. I can see that, from the US perspective, it's a Very Bad Thing but we don't seem to miss it. [[User:Silver Sloth|Silver Sloth]] 04:18, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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Once again, as with everything that is "Life" oriented, the intent is not about the poor little baby that is 20 cells big, but control of women.  Why? Cause life causes miscarriages. The litany of activities a pregnant woman is cautioned against (usually in her first month) include 1) aspirin, 2) caffeine, 3) Tobacco, 4) stress of really any kind, 5) vitamins (lack of for some, too many, for others, 5) being too big, 6) being too little, 7) eating too much, 8) not eating enough, 9) eating fish, 10) eating red meat, 11) eating broccoli, parsley, and several other leafy green vegies, which have historically even been used as abortificients, 12) exercise, 13) lack of exercise, 14) living in harsh conditions, 15) flying, 16) swimming, 17) diving/scuba diving, 18) working in particular environments (office buildings for one) due to pollutants, 19)travel to foreign countries... shall I go on?
:I'd say that the UK has pretty good freedom of speech. Not brilliant but better than most and although it's not in a constitution, there's enough law and tradition to keep it together. But I did think about it a bit, this ''isn't'' supressing Phelp's freedom of speech. All it's done is banned him from coming into the country. As a nation state, the UK has a right to control who does and who does not cross its border. We let tourists in because they contribute to the economy, similarly with business men and legal, working immigrants. As Phelps isn't going to contribute positively (he's essentially coming to metaphorically raise hell and insult people) then the border control can just say "no" and be done with it. You don't have an automatic right to just cross a border in the current system of sovereign states, the UK is just exercising its right to do that. Can you imagine if people did just have an automatic right to cross borders. Say, in 1941, about ten thousand German troops turn up at Dover; "Are you here for business or pleasure?" - "Neither, invaision" - "Oh, jolly good old chap, make yourself at home". Of course, my inner ideologist is shouting "NO BORDERS! FREE LOVE FOR ALL!" but my inner pragmatist is a little bit more sensical at the moment. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 06:05, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== A day for preparedness ==
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When you say that we need to reduce miscarriages, and you are a guy running around without the repercussions of the pregnancy anyhow, it's quite easy to think "oh how wonderful.  Miscarriages are sad". But we know, in a vast majority of cases, things that cause/can cause miscarriages. But to prevent them means a woman needs to be at home, safe and sound, not doing anything the State thinks is bad.
  
So yesterday, after a few beers, I designated February 18 International Zombie Civil Defense Day. That leaves just less than a year to plan and promote the first one. Posting here is a start. Anyone got any ideas? [[User:DickTurpis|DickTurpis]] 01:13, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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Under Bush, a document (an appallingly misogynist document) was released by the CDC to all doctors saying "assume every woman is pregnant when you meet with her, administer drugs as if she were pregnant, council her to live her life as if she were pregnant, because the first month of a pregnancy is the critical month". All and find if you want to have a baby. ridiculous and patrinistic if you are having your doctor tell you to give up this or that, or not take this or that medication (not life saving meds, but "convenience" meds like, you know, aspirin or antibiotics...). Women are only walking wombs to Andy. and cute little girls that need to be protected by the big macho men, of course. they do not have destiny of their choosing, nor life styles that suit them... --{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 15:03, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:Thank you for sharing ;) You know, there is an alley out back full of burbling drunks. Nacho time! '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms"><big>ħ</big>uman</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 01:33, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:So... Women ''want'' to have miscarriages, but are advised against it by a misogynist state? {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 15:15, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::Before I start preparing, is linseed oil still best to use on a Zombie-defeating cricket bat? --[[User:Psygremlin|PsyGremlin]]<sub>[[User talk:Psygremlin|''Whut?'']]</sub> 04:03, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::A large number of foetuses (> 25%) are miscarried within the first 6 weeks of gestation and the woman may not even realise she has been pregnant, maybe just thinks she has a late or missed period. Miscarriage is often nature's way of saying that this isn't a viable pregnancy, better get rid of it and make room for another. This makes God the biggest abortionist of them all. This information was fist imparted to me by a strongly Catholic Irish nurse who supported a woman's right to choose, and I have since seen the data corroborated elsewhere. So talk about preventing miscarriages largely focuses on when a woman has become noticeably pregnant. I would guess that the psychological trauma of miscarriage increases with the duration of the pregnancy (the term miscarriage being applicable only up to the 20th week) but surely losing a child after the delivery is much more distressing. I don't wish to sound too cynical but miscarriages are probably more important to wealthy westerners who have difficulty with conception when millions of young kids in the developing world die because of the lack of basic amenities like clean water and sanitation. The Asian Boxing-Day tsunami a couple of years ago was a tragedy but if only a fraction of the money that is being spent on an early-warning network was to be spent on providing clean water many more lives would, be saved. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  15:34, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:::Well, International Fetish Day got fairly big in less than 12 months and started in a community smaller than this one. I'm sure it's possible, but it's probably been thought of already. [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 06:06, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::If you're aiming that at me, I was merely criticising Godot's accusation that all the advice against miscarriages was an attempt to control women's bodies, which is rather silly and somewhat conspiracy theoryish. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 15:38, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::::[http://www.iztad.net/ dammit...] [[User:Armondikov|<font color=red face="Tahoma">'''''<font size=4>A</font>'''rmondiko'''<font size=4>V</font>'''''</font>]][[User_Talk:Armondikov|{{user:Armondikov/sigtalk}}]] 06:08, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::It wasn't aimed at anyone I was just tossing my own views into the pot. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small> 15:42, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Some places have zombie walks, where people dress up like zombies and . . . well . . . walk for charity or something. I'm thinking we could combine the two. Zombies could chase people who were dong the preparedness thing until they backed one into a corner. Then the preparedness person gets to turn around and bash the pretend zombies with a gulf club. Everybody wins. <sup><small><font color="#ff0000">[[User_talk:Sheesh! |Me!]]</font></small></sup>[[User:Sheesh!|'''<font color="#649CD6">Sheesh!</font>''']]<sub><small><font color="#6ff6633">[[Special:Contributions/Sheesh!|Mine!]]</font></small></sub> 15:31, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
:::::Here's something to whet your appetite. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  15:52, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Are you kidding me Phantom??? To walk into a doctor and have him *assume* I am pregnant, when he examins me, to have his advice related to my *possible* pregnancy (whether I want to be pregnant or not), and to assume that if i *am* pregnant, i will want to be pregnant is to make a woman a walking womb.
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Bugger, It doesn't embed. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjRAcajFte0 Here's] the direct link. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  15:59, 20 February 2009 (EST)
 
  
== Mobocracy ==
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::::The restrictions necessary in the advice given to doctors from the CDC include basically a lifetime of abstinence from alcohol, cigarettes, eating poorly, doing any drug, being overly stressed, working too hard, and not getting enough sleep -- not simply because some of those things might be good for you, but because those things will harm your unborn (unconsidered, unknown-of) baby and could cause you to experience a miscarriage of a baby (you don't know you are carrying). That presupposition is belittling from it's start. Do you expect to walk into a doctor and have them act *as if* you were pregnant? Prescribe drugs *as if* you were pregnant? This was not for women who say "gosh, I want to start actively working on conceiving", but on every and all women of child bearing years.--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 15:45, 20 February 2009 (EST) (edit conflict)
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:::::I agree that the CDC went too far, but I was criticising your attacks on the medical ''advice''. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 15:48, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::So you really think that both pregnant and non pregnant women should not "live" their lives as they see fit, simply because it could result in a miscarriage?  That is the effect of saying "It's important to monitor miscarriages".  1/4 to 1/2 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, and it is known by doctors that aspirin is one of the causes.  So, I should put the life of my baby before my headache?  That is ludicriss for the medical establishment to assert.  If a pregnant woman (or a woman trying to get pregnant) says "give me a list of all the things that could harm my baby", she should be given this list.  If she says "ok, I'll do this one, and that one but not these or those" that is also her choice.  The doctor should not be administering (or not administering) to her based on her pregnancy, unless she says "do not do anything that could harm my as-of-yet unconfirmed pregnancy.  The mindset that allows someone like the CDC to say "assume she is pregnant when treating her" is the same mindset that says "spontaneous miscarriages are the worst human suffering".  And for what it's worth, I don't know if you are female or not, or if you've been pregnant or not, but very very few women "address" their pregnancy emotionally until they are 2 months along.  It's far to easy to miscarry, and you can't have the kind of emotional truma you would have after carrying for 4 months, or 6 months, or losing your baby in child birth.  (by the way, this is teh way God set it up, who are we to change it...)--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 15:57, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::::::Did you even read my above post? I think the CDC shouldn't have said that, but I also think that if you don't want a miscarriage doctors shouldn't be criticised for saying what increases the risk of it. If you think that the risk is small, or your headache outweighs it, then you can do these things, but it's not doctors trying to control you. I have made it clear that the CDC's approach was wrong, so don't keep acting as if I didn't. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 16:02, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::::I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. Godot is saying is that women have a right to do as they wish in regards to their pregnancy, and that doctors should respect that, regardless of the consequences to the fetus. She ''isn't'' saying it's wrong to recommend that a woman not do certain things while pregnant because it may harm the fetus...per se. But, she ''is'' saying it's wrong to be given as unsolicited advice, i.e., treating the woman only as a walking oven for baby, rather than as a person first. --{{User:Yossarian/sigh}} 16:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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: (EC) I do understand that you say the CDC went to far, but the main issue you (from my biased perspective) had in my post was that i feel the focus on miscarriages is once again about controlling women. And I base that on the fact that we know what causes large numbers of abortions (miscarriages), and the answer to stop them, is "soft" (guidance) or "hard" (laws) regulations to a woman's behaviors. Issues there, and in the medical community in general focus on the baby, but not the woman as human.  Health guidelines in general are couched in things to do, not just to be a healthy human, but to keep you healthy for a time when you may be pregnant.  Call it conspiracy-seeing on my part, I just call it general experience, but my 4 male doctors have instructed me that being on the pill long term hinders my chance at having a healthy baby. My three female doctors have asked if i forsee myself wanting a baby, then when I say no, don't even bring up the issue. But I am sorry I took it this far here. I live in this issue, work around this issue, see women routinely turned to "wombs" in the medical field, so i do react "out of range". my bad.--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 16:26, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::I think that doctors should ask you to consider if you are currently making a decision that you will later regret, so it isn't surprising that they would mention that using the pill long term reduces your chance of having a healthy baby; patients should be fully informed about what they are doing. If they keep asking you, that is a little silly, but you haven't made that clear. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 16:31, 20 February 2009 (EST)
  
Some day, probably fairly soon, the system of mobocracy will become unworkable as the community grows past the point where a consensus can be ascertained from reading the direction of a discussion. What do we propose to replace or improve it? {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 14:55, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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== [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:WesleyS WesleyS] ==
: We could also ignore it and wait till it turns into a brouhahaMaybe the energy introduced into the system could be leveraged to make a more workable solution, maybe not.
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::Ah, but how do we create a new system when the system that we use to create decisions is no longer viable? {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 15:41, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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Is this guy tilting at windmills or what?  One would get the impression that he actually thinks he can make CP better one category at a time. {{User:Edgerunner76/sig}} 14:53, 20 February 2009 (EST)
:::I see no reason to change. While we certainly get our share of new users, the number of regular editors is fairly constant. Also, we are hardly building the world's most important wiki here; if things need a more authoritative resolution system, I imagine many who now edit will leave, relieving the need for said system.  {{User:Z3ro/sig2}} 15:53, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:The enormous effort that goes into streamlining categorization amuses meCategories' purpose is to make finding information simpler, but no one actually looks for information on CP, so it's entirely a waste of time. However, after countless thousands of edits, Wesley did manage to get Blocking rights! (at the same time as Bugler Mk. II, who had been there a week.  Meritocracyrobo, hasshin seyo!){{User:Publius/sig0}} 14:58, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::::I don't want a more authoratative resolution system, I want discussion on a system that can give a a clear consensus, rather than a subjective judgement of "what the mob seems to be leaning towards". It works OK now, but will start breaking down after we grow past the point where we can know everyone in the active user base. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 15:56, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::What about some sort of modification of the intercomm system? Bring up the message, with a yes and a no box, and everyone gets to vote.  The results could be displayed on some other page.  That way every user who logs in gets a vote.  You could even build it with a time limit, like three days or a week.  I have no idea if that is workable, but is that the type of thing you are thinking of?  {{User:Z3ro/sig2}} 16:09, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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== Bit and Bytes  WIGO ==
::::::Good idea, but I would think some form of weighted voting would be necessary, as the current system does give respected users more weight in discussions than throwaway socks, and it would be easy to abuse using Tor; something similar to autoconfirming would be good. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig0}} 16:22, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::Which of FD's socks does he want to register? --"[[User:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|CUR]][[User talk:ConservapediaUndergroundResistor|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:28, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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Please to replace difflink with one from CP and not HideMyAss.Com. Thanks. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:Yossarian (thanks!) corrected my mistake {{User:LArron/sig}} 16:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::No! I'm Spartacus! {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  16:18, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Et tu? Gratias ago, Spartace! {{User:LArron/sig}} 16:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::::Yossie actually posted a link to the Main Page rather than the UTF-8 page. However, the diffs pointed it to the correct version. Weird. {{User:Genghis Khant/sigpic}} [[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Генгис</font>]]<small>{{User:Genghis Khant/sigtalk}}</small>  16:26, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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Sadly only one of those listed died BC. Although none except Aurelius likely ever heard of Christianity. [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 16:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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::I know noting about Rome--did they die AD, or before Constantine made Christianity the legit religion? [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 16:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
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:::They all died well before Constantine, but how much would you bet he'll spin ANY of them dying after Jebus as having been influenced by xianity? THen again, I might be overestimating his brainpower.  [[User:EternalCritic|EternalCritic]] 16:33, 20 February 2009 (EST)

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Rome...

How do you even do a history of Rome without mentioning the Catilinean conspiracy?

I know... just the tip of the iceburg, but wtf? EternalCritic 10:36, 19 February 2009 (EST)

quo usque tandem abutere patienta nostra, aschlafly? larronsicut fur in nocte 10:53, 19 February 2009 (EST)
EternalCritic (I notice how you hide behind an alias). First admit that Catiline was a Roman hero and Cicero a dirty liberal whose speeches were full of deceit. Deny this and lose credibility. PubliusTalk 10:57, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Publius (what an absurd name) Unless you open your mind and admit that Catiline was a depraved revolutionary (and probably a socialist), and Cicero a hero of Conservative democracy I have more rational people to debate. EternalCritic 14:24, 19 February 2009 (EST)
He also says that Rome was born from the Hellenistic civilization, despite it having been a separate and distinct civilization long before Alexander's conquests created the Hellenistic civilization. On top of that, he says that praetors were "Roman general" under Augustus. While the office was often partly military in nature during the Republic, under Augustus and thereafter, the position of praetor was really purely administrative. It is pretty clear he has done almost no study for this.
In 700 B.C. the Etruscans conquered Rome, and King Etruscan ruled it like the city-states in Greece. - King Etruscan? Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 14:28, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Now now... Tarquinius is a big word for Andy. EternalCritic 14:38, 19 February 2009 (EST)
King Etruscan, Etruscan King, all the same, these bloody French :-) larronsicut fur in nocte 14:50, 19 February 2009 (EST)

<- 1. Who is your favorite Roman emperor, and why? Caligula, he was so nice to horses. Other opinions? larronsicut fur in nocte 15:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Elagabulus of course. EternalCritic 15:06, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Cicero! EddyP 15:09, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Julian the Apostate! Kaalis 15:34, 19 February 2009 (EST)

<-of course should give you full marks, EternalCritic (if this is your name), but sorry, EddyP, you stated no reason at all. One point of... Next question: 6. Current events question: What about the decline of the Roman empire reminds you of the United States today? The Roman empire was build under the protection of the gods. When the Roman lost their faith and started to flock to some oriental religion, their fate was sealed. larronsicut fur in nocte 15:16, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Rampant pushing of the homosexual agenda by the liberal equites and plebes caused societal decay until the society collapsed under the weight of its own immorality. EternalCritic 15:22, 19 February 2009 (EST)
they were too big for their britches, didn't have a good communication system, relied on outsurced materials for most of their supply routes, and had supply issues. wait, i forgot, Andy, you the teacher don't want history. -- They were morally bankrupt!--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Oh, my Lolita, I have only words to play with! V.Nabokov» 16:03, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Andy also omitted to mention AQUEDUCTS!
Just couldn't resist the excuse to post this. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 16:14, 19 February 2009 (EST)
And thank you for doing so! romanos eunt domo larronsicut fur in nocte 16:29, 19 February 2009 (EST)
To be fair on Andy, he's not THAT bad. I go to a very good grammar school in England, and the history teachers there sometimes make mistakes on the same level as calling a Praetor a general. They don't have all the loony language theories and politics interfering with lessons, and the frequency of mistakes is not so great, but they do make errors that, when made by Andy, seem to be considered a mark of idiocy. Bil08 19:22, 19 February 2009 (EST)
All sorts of teachers make stupid mistakes and believe erroneous things to be true, but Andy's are constant and horrifying, and he stonewalls when presented with them. Here's the game I've tried: choose a topic in history you know a little something about, go to Andy's paragraph/section on it, read it. How long does it take you to find a gross error? With ancient philosophy, it was something like the second sentence. Church Philosophers and Architecture: the first line is nonsense: Nation-states in Europe in the 1100s?! Scientific Revolution: Galileo was a dim scholar, and a good party guest. Enlightenment: it's one big clusterfuck. The bit on Voltaire is gibberish, and apparently very few good English philosophers have existed, so Hume is best. And so on. PubliusTalk 21:11, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Haha EternalCritic and Publius, you two schlafly well! Tealish 20:19, 19 February 2009 (EST)
I think the term for two people Schlaflying eachother should be a Schlafloff. PubliusTalk 21:11, 19 February 2009 (EST)
I'm afraid Andy is that bad Bil08. He's not simply making mistakes, he's engaged in historical revisionism, and this is only considering his lecture material, wait until you get onto the main site.... Jammy 21:14, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Actually Publius, having read through those links I have to agree with you. The paragraph on Hume alone has a half dozen errors. His chief claim to fame is that Darwin liked him? This man is allowed near children? --Bil08 05:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Frenchman Voltaire (1694-1778) was a leading philosopher in the Enlightenment, advocating freedom everywhere and emphasizing his form of reason. He wrote "The Candide," in which Voltaire described many bad things that happen to Candide in order to make the point that the world could be a better place. Increased freedom was Voltaire's way of improving things. Aschlafly is a true Pangloss... larronsicut fur in nocte 06:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Andy just hates Rome

Of course, they didn't understand truth![1] Sorry Cicero, I guess veritas wasn't a word or a concept in Latin philosophy. PubliusTalk 23:42, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Just don't try telling Andy that Philosophy is a search for truth... "god" forbid that conversation ever start. EternalCritic 09:00, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Palin's tax liabilities

Since it's a huge news item and scandal that Obama's cabinet picks and chief of staff have tax-payment issues, why hasn't CP jumped on the bandwagon and posted the scandal of Governor Palin? Of course I'm being sarcastic and just showing that CP is extremely biased (isn't that what Wikipedia is?), but it's still funny that on CP, IOKIYAR. --Irrational Atheist 11:38, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Non-profit

Interesting to see JoshuaZ come out of hibernation, when you'd expect they'd have taken the chance to ban him months ago for inactivity, but this comment makes me wonder about something. Is CP considered a non-profit organization in the first place? In Canada, non-profit designation means some very specific things, and there are requirements for the designation as well. It's not easy to get, as I recently watched my roommate fight her way through over a year of the application process for the local ferret rescue outfit. Does the same apply in the States? If so, what are the odds that Andy would have been able, let alone willing, to go through the process at all? --Kels 15:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)

In a very short sense, no, Conservapedia is not a non-profit.... There are very specific rules regarding the use of the term non profit. Basically, in the eyes of the law, Andy just runs another vanity website and non-certified tutoring program. SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 15:28, 19 February 2009 (EST)
That's what I thought. In that case, JoshuaZ's comment is totally inapplicable, since CP wouldn't have any special leeway, and I'd be very surprised if anyone but Andy honestly thought the place was really educational. --Kels 15:36, 19 February 2009 (EST)
It reminds of one of those stupid office signs -
This is a non-profit organization.
It wasn't meant to be, but that's how it turned out.

In some countries the term is "not for profit" rather than "non-profit" as it describes a statement of intent rather than an outcome. Didn't someone (probably Ames) once badger Andy about the commercial status of CP as the domain is a dot com rather than a dot org? Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 15:51, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Could we call RW a non-prophet organization? Hactar 20:10, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Regarding blocking for inactivity, did anyone else notice this? On the np thing, I did once ask Andy what the business model or plan or something was for CP, but he archived his talk page right after I did so. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)

TK and citations

Not to be picky. But, TK's actual words are "In the real, non-wiki/academic world, "citations" are never demanded, and politicians rely on that." He's saying that the academic and wiki world people demand citations - in the real world they do not. And, he's right. Check FactCheck.org and you will see plenty of times where politicians (from both sides of the aisle) make unfounded claims knowing that the general public won't check too closely. Patrickr 16:05, 19 February 2009 (EST)

On that same TK note, help help. He's being opressed SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 17:27, 19 February 2009 (EST)
I removed the academic thing. It's a bit ambiguous the way TK wrote it but I think it is obvious that he means non-wiki & non-academic. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 17:40, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Haha, Chuck's oppression link reminds me of the time he was screaming about his human rights being restricted because someone here blocked him for three days. Hilarious. --Kels 17:57, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Yeah, TK is quite a piece of work isn't he..... It's so sad that the man (in the basest sense of the term) that gains Andy's trust is the same one who quite loudly and openly declared his intent to bring down the site. SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 18:08, 19 February 2009 (EST)
TK and Andy were intelligently designed made for each other. Zaku 18:56, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Where has TK actually talked about wanting to bring down the site? I thought that had been inferred from his actions, not his words. Hactar 20:12, 19 February 2009 (EST)
TK's actions have included composing e-mails and IMs in which he describes his plans to take down CP. Some people on this site have inferred from those actions that TK means to take down CP. --Marty 22:50, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Are some instances of this cataloged somewhere on RW? I'd be interested in reading them. PubliusTalk 23:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
TKsGodSpeedBoard1.jpg
See above for a couple of random quotes. Noobs might not know that TK (or TK) also socked up here with the names EWig and NightTrain. I don't think anyone was fooled for more than 10 minutes and that without the benefit of checkuser. To add an element of denial he used his E.Wig IM whenever he was plotting against CP or abusing one of his fellow sysops. If you read any of these transcripts you can see that it is TK who is doing all the talking so his claim that he was just trying to get information are a bit thin. While a CP sysop he founded a bulletin board forum called "Godspeed" (see right). Some other conversations with TK can be found here and at the Hoji files 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12. Excuplatory1 is TK's "front of house" AIM name which is was posted on his CP user page. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 02:55, 20 February 2009 (EST)

TK porn

So, what's going on with you guys lately? Since TK likes to read here often and try to find us out on CP, I think we should try to make as many things reference him, without really referencing him. So if you can, somewhere include TK in any combination in your posting, socks names, etc., and let him know how much we appreciate his lulz. --Irrational Atheist 21:08, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Conservapedia Article

I really love cp:Conservapedia. Addison couldn't do a better job of belittling CP if s/he was a parodist! Let's see how far the have to go to get influential users. Conservative created two articles which he declared were selected article of the year! Ed liveblogs about teen movies destroys math articles he can't comprehend is damned creepy has primarily aimed at accuracy, rationality, and user cooperation. DeanS works as a technologically challenged RSS aggregator! BethanyS made articles on ships (and hasn't added content in months)! JM has made disorganized messes on painting, literature, and sculpture! "TK has made many substantive contributions". Name some! And the wonderful hubris: "AddisonDM ... has created several 'high profile' articles such as Examples of Moronic Vandalism by the "tolerant", Obama-isms as a mirror of Bushisms, and the Conservapedia article itself." In what way are these "high profile"? The term is silly. I'd never even heard of SharonS. Note the absence of PJR, as well as any non-sysop. Next up, CollegeRepublican, who entertains the teeming millions of editors daily with his witty quips and humorous anecdotes. PubliusTalk 21:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)

As I recall, it also claims that people can be promoted to bureaucrat. Which has never happened, Schlafly keeps those reins tightly in his grip, right? I think there is a "generic" auto-created MW 'crat, but that's just to jumpstart the wiki. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Addison is a hero - my favourite CP character by a long way. Reminds me a bit of NateG in some ways.--Kriss AkabusiAAAAWOOOOGAAAR!!1 05:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
The mythical SharonS (all 14/15 years of her) is the mythical "other" 'crat on CP, besides Andy and Webmaster. Not even Jallen has reached those heights, although $10 says I know what TK's hoping for next promotion...
aw! and look - we have another fan. --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:45, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I think Sharon's a couple of years older now maybe 16/17. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 12:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)

"Worse than Hitler"

I still can't tell - is Jpatt remarkably stupid or an incredible parodist? The whole exchange is fantastic. I have to wonder how Jpatt manages to not drown in rainstorm. On the other hand, if he's a parodist, I'm not sure I would applaud that level of dedication. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 22:40, 19 February 2009 (EST)

I just read that exchange and had the same thought - TK's just being an ass as usual, but JPatt's acting just like I would in his position. He has to be a parodist, or my world just got a little darker. PubliusTalk 23:26, 19 February 2009 (EST)
It's long, but I had to wigo it. How do these people find each other? Together, they're better than any sitcom on TV these days. Tealish 01:33, 20 February 2009 (EST)
JP's abuse of a senior admin (in terms of service anyway) is classic Bugler. PJR is on the outs with Andy and TK, so he can stick the boot in too. I should imagine PJR will have a fit at being compared to Hitler! Also I love "Joe the Plumber did not make concern enough to pursue." - JPatt's mangling of the English language is so cute. Wonder if he's one of Andy's homskollars. If only I had Tk's X-Ray powahs so I could see where he edits from... --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:09, 20 February 2009 (EST)
IIRC, he's not a homeschooler, at least not one of Andy's. I thought he had a papertrail (or a digitrail) before CP, but I can't remember it now. My memory is failing on all fronts, but I'm also pretty sure he and PJR butt heads previously sometime before Jpatt was a sysop. His English though... if you listen closely, you can hear your neurons screaming. That's why I thought I might almost admire (in a twisted way) his dedication to parody. Imagine writing like that consistently for almost a year. Wow. It does, however, make it difficult to argue with him, since it's so hard to understand what he's saying in the first place. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 04:24, 20 February 2009 (EST)
It's a simpsons quote, but whatever. Mei 07:29, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I realize it was supposed to be funny (he says it's from a Fox News comedy/talk show) but considering that none of the rest of the post was humorous, that PJR is still tarred by the others as a liberal, and that PJR made a mainpage talk post about Hitler just 14 minutes earlier combine in a perfect storm of extreme stupidity, bad timing, and pure dumb luck. Or, he's brilliant and he couldn't have timed it better. He may have meant it to be funny, but his communication skills in general are so poor that it's tough to recognize intent. Personally, I'm betting he's real, but that he resents PJR's eloquence and made the "joke" in a "half-in-fun-whole-in-earnest" kinda way. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 08:04, 20 February 2009 (EST)

all you people who think PJR is "reasonable"...

...read this. He's a first-class moron, and an asshole to boot. TheoryOfPractice 22:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Obviously,  K e n  D o l l  hacked his account... or jellied his brains. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:58, 19 February 2009 (EST)
PJR's always been like that. He's perfectly reasonable about stuff like free speech, gun ownership and such, but the moment the Bible comes up, it's Darwin was an atheist, no new information and bring on the theocracy! So long as it's his denomination, of course. --Kels 23:13, 19 February 2009 (EST)
This isn't just about religion, it's about taking a giant dump on the graves of millions of dead Jews, Poles, Slavs, Roma, Russians, etc. etc. in order to score a cheap political point. I've never understood those voices on this site who tolerate PJR like he's some sort of "gentleman" or "honourable opponent." He's not. He's a hatemonger and a profoundly stupid man. TheoryOfPractice 23:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Totally agree. The only reason he comes off so well is that he's standing next to vile cretins like Andy, TK and  K e n  D o l l . If we'd run into him anywhere else, we'd be raking him over the coals for his insane ideas about evolution and general stubbornness. --Kels 23:32, 19 February 2009 (EST)

PJR, if you're reading this, here's a thought experiment for you. You say the theory of Evolution, and Darwin's writings in particular, inspired the holocaust. Let's think about what Hitler did. He took a group of people who were different than him, and based on nothing other than their otherness, he decided to slaughter them en masse. Now, does that sound like anything in The Origin of Species, or does that sound a bit more like something out of the Old Testament? If you say the former, then I'm quite certain you know little about either book. DickTurpis 23:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)

It's been a lotta years since history class, but didn't Hitler's anti-semetism and the reason it was such an easy sell come more from Martin Luther than anywhere else? --Kels 23:51, 19 February 2009 (EST)
I'm pretty sure that while Luther was an anti-semite, it was in a more religious than racial way. I believe that Luther wanted them to convert so Jesus could get back here faster. I don't think conversion saved anyone from the gas chambers, so I'm not convinced that Luther was Hitler's prime inspiration, but I could be wrong. It certainly wasn't Darwin, anyway. DickTurpis 23:58, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Luther didn't invent Jew-hatin'. It has a long and ingominious history almost as old as the Catholic Church., which was for a long time one of its main promoters. --Gulik 00:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I often wonder what it would be like to run into CP editors in the street... do they spew out their hate at anyone who will listen, or do they keep their values to themselves and simply use them to guide how they conduct themselves in day to day life? That's one of the interesting things about these wikis... it encourages people to present themselves on the basis of their values and beliefs, not something we do in "real life". I'm sure there are people I work with every day, people I've known for years, that I would punch in the face if I knew what they were actually thinking in their private lives.... Sightblinder 01:20, 20 February 2009 (EST)
You have to remember that when people say PJR is okay, they are talking relatively, and only in certain circumstances. ArmondikoVpathetic 09:22, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I'm going to be a little reductionist here, but: People who abuse the memory of Auschwitz as a means by which to, in an intellectually dishonest manner, score political points in the name of fundamentalist dogma are never okay, relative to anything, under any circumstances, full stop. The man should be treated here with the same disdain we give Ken, or Andy, or anyone else from CP. TheoryOfPractice 09:30, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Have you considered the alternative, TOP? That PJR actually believes this stuff. Ajkgordon 12:37, 20 February 2009 (EST)
PJR is an enigma. He is very reasonable when discussing a lot of the topics which teh Assfly deems important (like gun control) and he is one of the few (the only?) one of the non-parodist oldschool CP'rs who has the balls to talk sense to teh Assfly when he goes off the loop again. PJR's responses are well thought out, articulate and sensible... until someone mention YEC, than he becomes like the hulk (but instead of transforming into an awesome green monster, he becomes a creationist retard). --GTac 12:52, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I know people just like him. Perfectly friendly, reasonable, even eloquent and intelligent; but mention evolution and it all goes out the window. Why? They're pseudo-fundies who have been brainwashed their entire life, running in circles which promote stuff like the whole Darwin-Hitler thesis. PubliusTalk 13:03, 20 February 2009 (EST)

PJR's slime is all the more noxious because it is coated with sweet frosting. He only takes the high road with Andy when he is personally offended for whatever reason. He get's his dander up to defend his pride, not any sort of high minded ideal. His shout outs to this site are all the more ridiculous because of it. Me!Sheesh!Mine! 13:17, 20 February 2009 (EST)

The truth shall set you free

Who's taking bets on whether this turns into "did truth exist before Christianity"?

OK, Andrew Schlafly is a parody. A deep, deep cover parodist. Seems unlikely I know.... but it has to be true. The is the most idiotic statement I have ever seen. OMG, FUCK! Icewedge 01:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I've wondered if Andy was a parodist, and I've concluded he's not, for one reason. Conservapedia isn't just a blog; he at least claims to be teaching students. If there really are kids taking his class, and he's actually letting them believe he's providing them with a quality education, all while knowingly running a parody, that's just evil. Parodying rabid conservatism is one thing, knowingly fooling with kids' education would be just evil. MDB 07:35, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Makes perfect sense, actually. Andy's insight here is perhaps best summarized as: "The Romans, who were not known for their intellectual achievement, and were unable to discern truth, accepted Christianity as their religion..." Hydrogen 06:25, 20 February 2009 (EST)
And add developed a language which enabled powerful concepts that require sentences to be described in English but can be expressed in just a few words in Latin. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 07:24, 20 February 2009 (EST)
As far as I can seen, his entire evidence for the statement that "the Romans had no concept of absolute truth" is Pontius Pilate's reported question in John 18:38. Oh, wait: St John was homeskooled by Jesus, so it must be true! Cantabrigian 06:50, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Dear God, I caught this on cp:Talk:World History Lecture Four and was already about to bash my head against the keyboard, and now I see that this made Greatest World History Mystery status already? MAKE THE PAIN STOP! --Sid 07:15, 20 February 2009 (EST)
World Mystery: Is Andrew Schlafly a parodist or just suffering from Narcissist Personality Disorder? ArmondikoVpathetic 08:18, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I'm tired, so I'll say briefly: neither - he's just a prize twat. There, I feel better now. Totnesmartin 13:19, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Linking to CP

Hi all,

When linking to CP could you please use diff links as much as possible. I just had to upload 3 identical pictures of the World History Lecture 4 and none point to the place of interest. Due to the file size this is time consuming even for a bot. Capturebot 02:25, 20 February 2009 (EST)

^^ This bot needs a hug. Mei 07:30, 20 February 2009 (EST)

oh for fuck's sake...

I just want to be banned. I asked for it, I was even told I would receive it, and nothing. So fine, I start being a regular dick instead of my own extra-special flavor of one, and I can only scrape up two weeks? Do I really have to go in there and start swearing? )# #(YH@#Uh 68.178.98.82 02:43, 20 February 2009 (EST) Aziraphale, who's visiting Portland. Go ahead CP, BAN PORTLAND.

You may say that in jest, but they just might do it. Entire universities have been blocked before; it seems about time to move onto city and state wide bans. Sorry, Portland.. but at least you guys have your tax-free shopping to console you in the wake of this epic tragedy. tealish???!!! 03:22, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Aziraphale is an ex-CP editor who tried to inject a bit of commonsense and left with an extended Parthian shot. One could say that he was rational but not in a way that he woud be one us other than in a just passing by capacity. Blocking Portland would be of no consequence for Azi as he's just in transit. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 03:44, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Whoa! Dean has just dished out a /16 range block and an ip block as per Aziraphale. Strangely neither one matched the BON above. Dance for us Dean! Dance! --PsyGremlinWhut? 03:47, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Threatening e-mail, though? Really? That doesn't seem in character for Aziraphale. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 04:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Wow, they even suck at censorship. --Gulik 04:16, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Somehow I doubt that Azi is bothered about having his block extended. I'd be interested about know what the "threatening email" was about. Releasing details about Dean and the sheep? Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 05:16, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Shit. If they took out Portland, there goes my help to set up another sock. They've already gotten Charleston, and most proxies get axed quickly. Curse you Teacake. ENorman 08:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)

The Times of London on pre-Christian humour.

So maybe someone can post this for Andy to chew on? TheoryOfPractice 10:18, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Generating Assfly response.... "TheoryOfPractice, what a stupid name that is, your liberal deceit knows no bounds. The so called "humor" discussed in that liberal screed are nothing more than obscenities and not True Humor®. You probably also deny that 2+2=4 and that prayer in school makes Autumn leaves a thing of absolute beauty. Godspeed. Andy Schlafly".... HumanisticJones 10:58, 20 February 2009 (EST)
The term is Genuine Humor®, otherwise well done and you get an "A" for effort. tealish???!!! 15:42, 20 February 2009 (EST)

This might expalin a lot.........

Just pottering around and I came across this: http://www.bay-of-fundie.com The 'Child Training' post of 18 Feb reminded me of my favourite 'educator' and might explain a lot if he's based his History Lectures on this!

Mick McT 11:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)

THAT'S gonna be a huge job...

So AddisonDM appears to be going through the list of perma-banned users and deleting their user pages--freeing up server space? Making those names available again for new users? Toadying up to TK? All of the above? TheoryOfPractice 12:01, 20 February 2009 (EST)

It doesn't delete accounts, just userpages, so the names aren't freed up. I think he's just following Andy's advice. DickTurpis 12:04, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Dude, you're already an admin. Stop sucking up and start abusing your powarz! Z3rotalk 12:13, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Wow, at 200 to 1000 bytes each, if they delete enough of them they may save a whole megabyte! Deleting the user page doesn't delete the user, so I can't imagine what they're trying to achieve. --JeevesMkII 13:57, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Sorry Publius

I had to do it. Anyone should feel free to add to it and have fun with it though. EternalCritic 12:32, 20 February 2009 (EST)

CP - RW Boxing Tournament

What do you think? I think we should arrange an All CP-RW boxing match, with all money generated being donated to the winner's choice of charity..... If CP wins, all the money goes straight to the EF for Andy's mum, and if RW wins, we fight about where exactly it goes..... I'm no Tyson, but I do still have an undefeated record in amatuer boxing and I think I can take any of their top people.... Who wants to sock up and ask Andy about it.... Anybody? SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 13:32, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Sounds like if you took them all on at once the smart money would still be on you. DickTurpis 13:41, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I don't know about boxing, but I've spent some time in the amatuer MMA circuit, and I'd gladly show up and ground-and-pound the crap out of any of them. Z3rotalk 13:42, 20 February 2009 (EST)
You can take on the cat-ing freak JY23! He loves the MMA. Sounds like a good match to me. Neveruse513 15:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I'll join in too, one question though, do I at least get to punch TK? User:Ttony21/sig2 13:51, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Careful going near TK, you might get rabies. --JeevesMkII 13:54, 20 February 2009 (EST)
That's the spirit Zero, just leave out the ground part of it and you're in... Tony, TK is going to go via lottery system. I think everybody wants to take him down.... SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 13:56, 20 February 2009 (EST)
No worries; I'll supply the evil liberal vaccines. Maybe we can take turns, like a meat market system. User:Ttony21/sig2 13:56, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Yeah! Rationalise this! Ajkgordon 14:10, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I'm in. Just call me Ken Masters--Nate River 15:10, 20 February 2009 (EST)
If we win, we can go on a massive drinking, drug/vaccination taking and gambling spree, and we can use the leftover money to hire the best lawyers to defend us for all the babies we'll have murdered. EddyP 15:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Or we can use that money to petition in NJ the certification of homeschool teachers (while I steal a few dollars to get Street Fighter 4)--Nate River 15:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)

On miscarriages

So, CP's latest argument is that we should focus on eliminating miscarriages rather than AIDS.

Well, I'm certainly not going to argue with the idea in general -- that it would be good if there were less miscarriages.

However... from my admittedly limited knowledge of embryology, it's my understanding that a miscarriage often is, as I've heard it said, "nature's way of saying 'something is wrong here'." In other words, a miscarriage is the mother's body realizing that the fetus could not survive if it carried to term.

So, basically, reducing miscarriages would require some incredible leaps in our knowledge of the earliest stages of human development.

And then my snarkier side asks a legitimate question: wouldn't embryonic stem cell research help a lot towards preventing miscarriages? I mean, you're dealing with embryonic tissue, right? Wouldn't that be the most logical place to due your research?

Yeah, I know, I'm thinking like a rational human being, not a conservapedian.... MDB 14:41, 20 February 2009 (EST)

What you are saying, is basically that embryos that are sick or there is something wrong with are going to die by themself, like some sort of natural selection of the fittest! That sounds like filthy evilutionist thinking to me! Admit that you are a stinkin liberal or lose credibility. Godspeed. Etc 14:44, 20 February 2009 (EST)
This line summed up just how unbelievably out of touch with reality Andy is: "embryo loss, which is probably the leading cause of human suffering." Abortion and miscarriage. The leading cause of human suffering. Not war, famine, disease, poverty, racism, drug abuse, and general violence. Way to demean the suffering of everyone who wasn't born into a rich New England family. PubliusTalk 14:50, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Once again, as with everything that is "Life" oriented, the intent is not about the poor little baby that is 20 cells big, but control of women. Why? Cause life causes miscarriages. The litany of activities a pregnant woman is cautioned against (usually in her first month) include 1) aspirin, 2) caffeine, 3) Tobacco, 4) stress of really any kind, 5) vitamins (lack of for some, too many, for others, 5) being too big, 6) being too little, 7) eating too much, 8) not eating enough, 9) eating fish, 10) eating red meat, 11) eating broccoli, parsley, and several other leafy green vegies, which have historically even been used as abortificients, 12) exercise, 13) lack of exercise, 14) living in harsh conditions, 15) flying, 16) swimming, 17) diving/scuba diving, 18) working in particular environments (office buildings for one) due to pollutants, 19)travel to foreign countries... shall I go on?

When you say that we need to reduce miscarriages, and you are a guy running around without the repercussions of the pregnancy anyhow, it's quite easy to think "oh how wonderful. Miscarriages are sad". But we know, in a vast majority of cases, things that cause/can cause miscarriages. But to prevent them means a woman needs to be at home, safe and sound, not doing anything the State thinks is bad.

Under Bush, a document (an appallingly misogynist document) was released by the CDC to all doctors saying "assume every woman is pregnant when you meet with her, administer drugs as if she were pregnant, council her to live her life as if she were pregnant, because the first month of a pregnancy is the critical month". All and find if you want to have a baby. ridiculous and patrinistic if you are having your doctor tell you to give up this or that, or not take this or that medication (not life saving meds, but "convenience" meds like, you know, aspirin or antibiotics...). Women are only walking wombs to Andy. and cute little girls that need to be protected by the big macho men, of course. they do not have destiny of their choosing, nor life styles that suit them... --Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Oh, my Lolita, I have only words to play with! V.Nabokov» 15:03, 20 February 2009 (EST)

So... Women want to have miscarriages, but are advised against it by a misogynist state? Stupid stupid Hoover! 15:15, 20 February 2009 (EST)
A large number of foetuses (> 25%) are miscarried within the first 6 weeks of gestation and the woman may not even realise she has been pregnant, maybe just thinks she has a late or missed period. Miscarriage is often nature's way of saying that this isn't a viable pregnancy, better get rid of it and make room for another. This makes God the biggest abortionist of them all. This information was fist imparted to me by a strongly Catholic Irish nurse who supported a woman's right to choose, and I have since seen the data corroborated elsewhere. So talk about preventing miscarriages largely focuses on when a woman has become noticeably pregnant. I would guess that the psychological trauma of miscarriage increases with the duration of the pregnancy (the term miscarriage being applicable only up to the 20th week) but surely losing a child after the delivery is much more distressing. I don't wish to sound too cynical but miscarriages are probably more important to wealthy westerners who have difficulty with conception when millions of young kids in the developing world die because of the lack of basic amenities like clean water and sanitation. The Asian Boxing-Day tsunami a couple of years ago was a tragedy but if only a fraction of the money that is being spent on an early-warning network was to be spent on providing clean water many more lives would, be saved. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 15:34, 20 February 2009 (EST)
If you're aiming that at me, I was merely criticising Godot's accusation that all the advice against miscarriages was an attempt to control women's bodies, which is rather silly and somewhat conspiracy theoryish. Stupid stupid Hoover! 15:38, 20 February 2009 (EST)
It wasn't aimed at anyone I was just tossing my own views into the pot. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 15:42, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Are you kidding me Phantom??? To walk into a doctor and have him *assume* I am pregnant, when he examins me, to have his advice related to my *possible* pregnancy (whether I want to be pregnant or not), and to assume that if i *am* pregnant, i will want to be pregnant is to make a woman a walking womb.
The restrictions necessary in the advice given to doctors from the CDC include basically a lifetime of abstinence from alcohol, cigarettes, eating poorly, doing any drug, being overly stressed, working too hard, and not getting enough sleep -- not simply because some of those things might be good for you, but because those things will harm your unborn (unconsidered, unknown-of) baby and could cause you to experience a miscarriage of a baby (you don't know you are carrying). That presupposition is belittling from it's start. Do you expect to walk into a doctor and have them act *as if* you were pregnant? Prescribe drugs *as if* you were pregnant? This was not for women who say "gosh, I want to start actively working on conceiving", but on every and all women of child bearing years.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Oh, my Lolita, I have only words to play with! V.Nabokov» 15:45, 20 February 2009 (EST) (edit conflict)
I agree that the CDC went too far, but I was criticising your attacks on the medical advice. Stupid stupid Hoover! 15:48, 20 February 2009 (EST)
So you really think that both pregnant and non pregnant women should not "live" their lives as they see fit, simply because it could result in a miscarriage? That is the effect of saying "It's important to monitor miscarriages". 1/4 to 1/2 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, and it is known by doctors that aspirin is one of the causes. So, I should put the life of my baby before my headache? That is ludicriss for the medical establishment to assert. If a pregnant woman (or a woman trying to get pregnant) says "give me a list of all the things that could harm my baby", she should be given this list. If she says "ok, I'll do this one, and that one but not these or those" that is also her choice. The doctor should not be administering (or not administering) to her based on her pregnancy, unless she says "do not do anything that could harm my as-of-yet unconfirmed pregnancy. The mindset that allows someone like the CDC to say "assume she is pregnant when treating her" is the same mindset that says "spontaneous miscarriages are the worst human suffering". And for what it's worth, I don't know if you are female or not, or if you've been pregnant or not, but very very few women "address" their pregnancy emotionally until they are 2 months along. It's far to easy to miscarry, and you can't have the kind of emotional truma you would have after carrying for 4 months, or 6 months, or losing your baby in child birth. (by the way, this is teh way God set it up, who are we to change it...)--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Oh, my Lolita, I have only words to play with! V.Nabokov» 15:57, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Did you even read my above post? I think the CDC shouldn't have said that, but I also think that if you don't want a miscarriage doctors shouldn't be criticised for saying what increases the risk of it. If you think that the risk is small, or your headache outweighs it, then you can do these things, but it's not doctors trying to control you. I have made it clear that the CDC's approach was wrong, so don't keep acting as if I didn't. Stupid stupid Hoover! 16:02, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. Godot is saying is that women have a right to do as they wish in regards to their pregnancy, and that doctors should respect that, regardless of the consequences to the fetus. She isn't saying it's wrong to recommend that a woman not do certain things while pregnant because it may harm the fetus...per se. But, she is saying it's wrong to be given as unsolicited advice, i.e., treating the woman only as a walking oven for baby, rather than as a person first. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 16:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
(EC) I do understand that you say the CDC went to far, but the main issue you (from my biased perspective) had in my post was that i feel the focus on miscarriages is once again about controlling women. And I base that on the fact that we know what causes large numbers of abortions (miscarriages), and the answer to stop them, is "soft" (guidance) or "hard" (laws) regulations to a woman's behaviors. Issues there, and in the medical community in general focus on the baby, but not the woman as human. Health guidelines in general are couched in things to do, not just to be a healthy human, but to keep you healthy for a time when you may be pregnant. Call it conspiracy-seeing on my part, I just call it general experience, but my 4 male doctors have instructed me that being on the pill long term hinders my chance at having a healthy baby. My three female doctors have asked if i forsee myself wanting a baby, then when I say no, don't even bring up the issue. But I am sorry I took it this far here. I live in this issue, work around this issue, see women routinely turned to "wombs" in the medical field, so i do react "out of range". my bad.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Oh, my Lolita, I have only words to play with! V.Nabokov» 16:26, 20 February 2009 (EST)
I think that doctors should ask you to consider if you are currently making a decision that you will later regret, so it isn't surprising that they would mention that using the pill long term reduces your chance of having a healthy baby; patients should be fully informed about what they are doing. If they keep asking you, that is a little silly, but you haven't made that clear. Stupid stupid Hoover! 16:31, 20 February 2009 (EST)

WesleyS

Is this guy tilting at windmills or what? One would get the impression that he actually thinks he can make CP better one category at a time. --Edgerunner76Save me Tsisnaajini! 14:53, 20 February 2009 (EST)

The enormous effort that goes into streamlining categorization amuses me. Categories' purpose is to make finding information simpler, but no one actually looks for information on CP, so it's entirely a waste of time. However, after countless thousands of edits, Wesley did manage to get Blocking rights! (at the same time as Bugler Mk. II, who had been there a week. Meritocracyrobo, hasshin seyo!)PubliusTalk 14:58, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Bit and Bytes WIGO

Please to replace difflink with one from CP and not HideMyAss.Com. Thanks. TheoryOfPractice 16:09, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Yossarian (thanks!) corrected my mistake larronsicut fur in nocte 16:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
No! I'm Spartacus! Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 16:18, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Et tu? Gratias ago, Spartace! larronsicut fur in nocte 16:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
Yossie actually posted a link to the Main Page rather than the UTF-8 page. However, the diffs pointed it to the correct version. Weird. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 16:26, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Alan/Andy Wigo

Sadly only one of those listed died BC. Although none except Aurelius likely ever heard of Christianity. EternalCritic 16:21, 20 February 2009 (EST)

I know noting about Rome--did they die AD, or before Constantine made Christianity the legit religion? TheoryOfPractice 16:23, 20 February 2009 (EST)
They all died well before Constantine, but how much would you bet he'll spin ANY of them dying after Jebus as having been influenced by xianity? THen again, I might be overestimating his brainpower. EternalCritic 16:33, 20 February 2009 (EST)