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:::::There is also a major disconnect between the art masterpieces they highlight and the culture that produced that art. [[User:PoorEd|'''<font color="green">Rational Ed</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:PoorEd |<font color="purple">perception</font>]]</sup> 13:17, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::There is also a major disconnect between the art masterpieces they highlight and the culture that produced that art. [[User:PoorEd|'''<font color="green">Rational Ed</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:PoorEd |<font color="purple">perception</font>]]</sup> 13:17, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
  
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Did not submit writing plan as requested. [[User:Fox|Fox]] 13:29, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
 
Most of us can do at least a passable ASchlafly impression (you know, the whole, "There is a 95% chance you oppose" thing).  But can anyone here do a spot-on impression of anyone else—say, TK, PJR, or Karajou?  --{{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 13:01, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:Robert, I'm sure you've discussed this in all your backchannel communications, but if you actually read any of the personal e-mails I sent you, you'd realize that I've been trying to work WITH YOU, and that Trent is your real enemy here!  Don't let Human and Ames dick you around.  But fine.  Suit yourself.  If you're not willing to listen, then you leave me no choice but to call your parents.-{{user:Caius/Options2}} 13:05, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
::Nice TK, Ames.  --{{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 13:12, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
 
 
::Caius (or should I call you Ames?), your constant intrusions on this site for the purpose of stirring up trouble are most unwelcome.  Your disparaging comments about the men in uniform who died for your freedom are insulting to all who ever swabbed a deck.  I have given you a five year timeout to think about (Kangaroo morphs into Ed Moon) your goals to improve this site and develop a writing plan. When you submit it to me, I will let you back in on probation.
 
:::"KooKoo Ed", while your interest in removing vandals from the site is laudable, Caius/Ames is bringing up a reasonable, if illogical, point.  If we go back to the earliest history of Man and the Universe, we see that personal emails between God, Adam, and Eve reveal the insidious interference of the Serpent in the operation of the Primordial Wiki, and its influence on errors in copying and translation of the Holy Book itself. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 13:14, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>RA's brain explodes*  Aaaagh!  --{{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 13:16, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
Nice! And, my Karajou impression is [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Caius&page=User%3ARadioactive+afikomen here]-{{user:Caius/Options2}} 13:17, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
 
 
:Caius, you came here knowing very well what this site stands for and which values it promotes. Since then, you have done nothing but pushing your own views and demands, and trying to make us censor ourselves. You will stop that and contribute to the project or you will leave. This discussion is now over. --[[User:AKjeldsen|'''<font color="navy">AKjeldsen</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:AKjeldsen |<font color="aqua">Godspeed!</font>]]</sup> 13:18, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 
 
 
"{{Ralph Wiggum}}" - impression of a drunk user '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}}
 
 
 
:::::Nice try, communist sympathizer and socialist swine. This site does not countenance disinformation, nor does it toerate outside agitators.[[User:PoorEd|'''<font color="green">Rational Ed</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:PoorEd |<font color="purple">perception</font>]]</sup> 13:22, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 

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Gobsmacked

I'm starting to think teh Assfly has deep-seated issues when it comes to members of the medical fraternity (Maybe he's found out they threw away the wrong piece when he was circumcised). Poor old Dr CB has been booted again, along with loads of liberal mockery, including calling him "Dr" CB [1] And my good friend Smeg Ed, blocks JameyC for ever for asking the question "How do we know he's not a doctor?" Seriously, these guys (and those two in particular) are getting out of hand. I feel the need to scream. Psygremlin 19:26, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

JameyC also got blocked for creating "Schlafly Style", in which he claimed all members of the family liked hanging out with children, talked funny, etc. --Kels 20:07, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
Aw, would have been funny to see that before it got wiped... UchihaKATON! 20:34, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
I'm thinking Andy knows that real doctors on his site will not only call into question his medical "expertise" but also lead to the fixing of most of his blatant inaccurate statments (IE, Abortion causes breast cancer, instant death and low gas milage... It cause quite a stir when that first doctor was banned in the beginning, and Andy doesn't want a repeat of that I'm sure. SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 15:34, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
You mean when PalMD was blocked? I was under the impression they just brushed it off. I didn't know it was actually controversial. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:01, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Try looking HERE. Happy reading! CЯacke® 13:14, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
No no no... well, it might have been Pal... the Doctor who was blocked for trying to fix Andy's nonsense about Abortions and Breast Cancer... I didn't think it was Pal, but it may have been. It was huge news in the blog world. They had to really fight to get past that. 199.254.165.254 14:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
What do you mean by "huge news"? I've read many blog entries covering Conservapedia (not all, of course, but many), and never came across anything more than a passing mention of the incident. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 14:49, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Naming Conventions finally revealed

The user named after his favourite mineral blocks a new user with an uncontroversial name and explains the CP name rulez. DogP 22:01, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

That seems to be their new toy tonight - 3 or 4 others have gone the same way, courtesy of the well highlighted and initialed Assfly and Crockoshite. To misquote Baldrick, "They think irony is like goldy or bronzey" Psygremlin 22:06, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
As per the WIGO, User:Crocoite am now DeanS, I wonder when Karajou will become BrianM? (or User:C become KenD)? CЯacke® 00:56, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Aren't they going to run into trouble?

Given that the naming conwention is "your REAL first name and last initial" I would guess that ALL the John Johnson's out there are going to get screwed out of being able to edit one of the finest ed-ju-ma-ca-shun-al resources on the intertubes, save, of course for JohnJ. CЯacke® 01:15, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

What suprises me is the convention "your REAL first name and last initial" when Andy set the precident first initial and last name. When will the new DeanS build up the courage to take this up with AndrewS? 3.14159
And is Bohdan's real name Henry S***? Jollyfish.gifGenghisevolving 04:30, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Those cocksuckers have gone too far now . . . I'm DeanS . . . That Rat bastard rock diddler needs to change his name to douche bag
Have they at least had the courtesy to inform new subscribers of the naming convention on the sign up page? Or the usual case of block now, explain never? Psygremlin 12:19, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
That would be DoucheB :) SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 15:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Liberal Profanities

I genuinely, sincerely thought the reply to Autofire on the talk page was parody/mockery... until I scrolled down to see the signature.

Seriously, I think he's getting worse. UchihaKATON! 22:57, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Can someone explain how you edit in a typo rather than edit out? 3.14159 23:06, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Hahaha damn that is funny. But yeah, I think he is getting waaay crazier Ace McWicked 00:39, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Just wait until the Republican National Conwention, he'll have them rolling in the aisles. CЯacke® 00:43, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Fact tags, complex analysis, relativity, John's gospel and now sighs. Man, those liberals don't know where to put their liberalness anymore. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 01:33, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps the nice men in white coats will take him away to a psychiatric facility then we could have no more problems. Proxima Centauri 13:28, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Someone please create an article on "liberal culture"-Shangrala 07:15, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

...there isn't one yet? How odd, it sounds like an obvious candidate, now that you mention it...
Soon, there will be cp:Liberal breathing and cp:Liberal eating. *sighs* I do find it interesting that this isn't a strict "Liberal [noun]" article, though. Sure, it instantly jumps to the "liberal users" bit, but I gotta wonder why he breaks out of his convention. --Sid 07:16, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Don't forget about cp:Liberal dating! Fuzzy|AfD 13:25, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Isn't WeirdEdMoon the leading exponent of compulsive profanities on CP? And not just in the contemporary sense of the word but also with regard to the blasphemous and sacriligious, bearing in mind Ed worships an octogenarian Korean adulterer who claims to be G-d Himself, crowned himself Emperor of the Universe, and stated that his dead son Heung Jin Moon had done such a great job in "Heaven" that Jesus Christ had "stepped down" and handed over His heavenly rule to him... Makes you wonder if CP isn't actually just another one of the thousand or so Unification Church "fronts" they are using to take over the right. Who funds CP, anyway? Fox 13:58, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

MSN and evolution

I have no idea what they're talking about on Conservapedia with their MSN rankings for their evolution article. 'Evolution' and 'Theory of Evolution' didn't bring CP up in the top 30 results. Czolgolz 11:24, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

That was an interesting test; I have never used MSN search before, and I don't think I have ever searched on any other engine for "evolution" or "theory of evolution". So my results weren't biased by previous searches for the subjects. Results? For "evolution" I gave up looking after page 16 (ie 160 results) _ CP didn't appear at all, however Uncyclopedia was #16 and South Park (! lol) #28. For "theory of evolution", I gave up after page 10 (100 results) - again, no CP result at all. Fox 11:40, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah the evolution ones didn't show up anywhere for me. You'd think that Conservapedia would love Bill Gates - he's the picture of capitalism.Shangrala 11:45, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Oh noes. The Gates Foundation gives money to provide atheist vaccines and liberal malaria research for those poor little black folks in Africa rather than building churches. Also they persuaded Warren Buffet to give away most of his money when he dies rather than leaving it to his family. Not Conservative values at all. Jollyfish.gifGenghisevolving 12:38, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Interesting: I followed Kendoll's provided links, and got the same results as him. Remember, "theory of evolution" has to be in quotes, that's what he's been pumping. I wonder if his links contained any cues that honor MSN's observation that the CP article is the one he sweatily clicks on 20 times a day? humanUser talk:Human 12:51, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
(ec) I, too, have never used MSN before. I followed the link Ken provided (which did not have quotes around the search terms) and found this Conservapedia debate ranked at #132. Our article on "Theistic evolution" was ranked at #950. The actual Conservapedia article wasn't in the top 1000 results. I began to wonder if the Conservapedia article was even listed, so I added "conservapedia" to the search string, and I finally found it. Altering the search again, putting "Theory of evolution" in quotes and removing "conservapedia," brought Conservapedia up to #5. I wondered if adding the term "conservapedia" affected my later results. Sure enough, another search for "theory of evolution" (without the quotes) suddenly brought their article up to #3. So, there you have it. It seems that the only people who will see the Conservapedia article ranked third are the people who've already searched for it. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 13:00, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

What I find most humorous about all of this (despite the fact that Ken thinks people actually go to CP for serious information) is that he's measuring his search engine success based on his own search terms. For example, (I don't have time to actually look this up, so I'll bust out my Schlafly stats) "theory of evolution" is only searched for 1% as often as "evolution." However, a search for "evolution" wouldn't even put CP's article in the top million. You can see similar things with "young earth creationism" and "creation." So as long as I'm searching for exactly what Kenservative would search for I'll see something similar to what he sees; if I go with a more conventional, run-of-the-mill search term I'll never wind up on CP. Sandman 13:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

In this day and age, how many people really use major search engines for something like Evolution anyway? I mean, excepting students who need research sources (which I hope to god no teacher accepts Conservapedia as) or someone looking for som cheap internet lulz... who's gonna do a search. I know I would just look right at Wikipedia to get an overview (assuming I didn't know something about it already) and move on from there. SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 15:34, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Re: picking phrases... I use google to find pieces I know I wrote on my own webshite but can't remember the title of. They usually have them crawled within days, all I have to do is remember a relatively unique group of words. humanUser talk:Human 15:38, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
HOLY CRAP!!! cp:Dinosaur is #1 on Google for dinosaur tail k-t event cedar osborn!!! Someone has really been working on those search engine rankings!! Good job, gentleman!! Stay tuned for further improvements!! Sandman 15:50, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Copying paragraphs from "instant" articles into Google is how you spot the plagiarism. Jollyfish.gifGenghisevolving 16:38, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

"What does Marcellus Wallace look like?" (re: Ed Poor)

Jules: What does Marcellus Wallace look like?
Brett: What?
Jules: What country you from?
Brett: What?
Jules: What ain't no country I ever heard of! They speak English in What?
Brett: What?
Jules: ENGLISH, MOTHERF*CKER! DO-YOU-SPEAK-IT?
Brett: Yes!
Jules: Then you know what I'm saying!
Brett: Yes!
Jules: Describe what Marcellus Wallace looks like!
Brett: What, I-?
Jules: [pointing his gun] Say what again. SAY WHAT AGAIN. I dare you, I double dare you, motherf*cker. Say what one more goddamn time.
Brett: He's b-b-black...
Jules: Go on.
Brett: He's bald...
Jules: Does he look like a b*tch?
Brett: What?
[Jules shoots Brett in shoulder]
Jules: DOES HE LOOK LIKE A B*TCH?
Brett: No!

After seeing Ed slapping, warning and blocking users left and right for potentially getting stuff wrong or for pointing out errors, I really had to think of the above scene from Pulp Fiction. Especially the part where he went all "You are not allowed to comment on ANYTHING until you posted that explicit suggestion", followed by the 1-week block for making a single, unrelated user talk page post. --Sid 15:58, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Another one for the hotlist

http://www.conservapedia.com/Public_school_culture - luckily, with what look to be deceitful liberal improvements humanUser talk:Human 18:10, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

It is official.... I don't think he's ever even driven past a public school.... Where does he get his broadcasts from? directly from Russia? SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 18:59, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

"General inability to look someone in the eye." WTF? Stile4aly 19:24, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
It's part of Aschlafly's RADAR, doncha know? It's like he's got this sick-sense that tells him if someone has every been within 2000 miles of a public school. It's amazing it's 95.667493% accurate! CЯacke®
What a complete idiot. He ought to, er, drop by a school sometime if he is going to write about the inhabitants. At least the truthy additions are still there :) humanUser talk:Human 20:04, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Of course he can recognise someone from a public school, they don't show him the deference that's due to him by agreeing with everything he says, and some of them :(male) don't wear 3 piece suits all the time; (female) wear trousers (pants?). SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:15, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Andy must've watched Boston Public a lot. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 20:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

another cultist?

Is Deborah a cultist? SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

More likely a matter of Ed asking her[2] --Shagie 22:08, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Halifax Temple

Funny, when I see Halifax Temple, I think of this one, which helps serve the largest non-Asian buddhist population in North America. I've meditated there (although not nearly enough), it's an awesome place. --Kels 21:11, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

More spinning logo fun

Has anyone noticed the new show of Conservapedian class. I love it, before it unfurls it says "Esu Eve Ails." Poor girl, I hope she gets better SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 00:58, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

They have got to be a parody... Right? -202.156.11.1 02:28, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
No, they're Right. -All Hail Tuna 02:34, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
We should have one that says "Gravity Never Fails" ;) Spica the Hiver If you tolerate this, then your children will be next... 04:38, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
who uploaded that picture? 130.156.3.254 10:17, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Are all Bunchanumbers so lazy? From here. CЯacke® 11:59, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
I prefer "Gravity always wins" Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 11:53, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
I vote for "Gravity Always Falls" humanUser talk:Human 12:08, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Fuck gravity, I prefer levity. 81.129.36.227 14:29, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
How about "Gravity never quits, but quitters are still affected by Gravity? 199.254.165.254 16:13, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

(undent) Fuck gravity, I prefer levity. Teh winner!

WIGO W the fuck IGO

this is the greates WIGO I have ever seen. My irony gland is swamped and pulsating, the meter is on fire. Someone please WIGO this (my wiki skills are only so-so) PLEASE! http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Gulik5 The best block I have ever seen......... Ace McWicked 03:31, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Your wish is my command. DogP 03:39, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Thank you kind sir. Now paint my house. Ace McWicked 03:40, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh, it was Bohdan. That explains everything.  :) --Gulik 01:26, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Sighing Liberals

I can't find the link but it was only a couple of days ago that Andy claimed that starting a comment with *Sigh* was a liberal trait. If I could have found it I would ahve added it to the main page as it looks like Ed's a lyin Liberal RedDog 03:52, 29 April 2008 (EDT)


Look http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Compulsive_profanity And in http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_style Ace McWicked 03:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

And I suppose you want me to spoon feed this for you too? DogP 03:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

if you didnt then I would fuck everything up and retreat with jeers and laughter still ringing in my ear while a wet stain slowly spreads across my crotch. I'll learn, I am from canada and they think i am slow, eh? Ace McWicked 03:51, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

That's the one! Thanks guys. If anyone thinks it's worthy of the main page please add. RedDog 03:52, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Well, someone added it, and it made me chuckle, but then I had to remembered that technically, this doesn't make Ed a liberal. Why? Because Liberal Style doesn't say that only liberals use these things, just like it doesn't say that all liberals use them (and because Andy didn't call him a liberal yet, and we all know that Andy alone is The Decider when it comes to identifying/branding people as liberals). In fact, all these lists are practically worthless because they don't really say anything concrete: "Some liberals sometimes use these things, and even though some conservatives also sometimes use them, let's not mention them and instead pretend that this is characteristic only for liberals." It's just like saying that eating and breathing are Liberal Style. Or disagreeing. Or not being a radical YECist. --Sid 06:41, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Anti-liberal neocon rants of well-known conservative Gulik5

Whoever posted this...

Finally Bohdan puts a stop to the anti-liberal neocon rants of well-known conservative Gulik5.

made me laugh a mouthfull of coffee out of my nose. Thanks guys! RedDog 03:54, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

I'll let DogP take the Kudos for posting it for me. Besides I am shy Ace McWicked 03:56, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm not taking any of your damn Canadian Kudos. Next thing you'll be making me eat poutine. DogP 04:11, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

I aint actually one of them backward Canadians, It was a line from the simpsons. I am actually from a throughly more backward country and soon I'll make you eat a hangi. Ace McWicked 04:15, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

You're going to make me eat buried superheated rocks? That will hurt. DogP

No no, its what contained amongst the rocks. Sweet potato and pork. I have actually never had one but the natives seem to enjoy it. The have done it since they landed here and, instead of pork, used the natives before them. Ace McWicked 04:22, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

DrCB Saga

This is great the liberals are banding together. I hereby predict that DrCB becomes the agent of evil that finally shuts Conservapedia down for good No, I don't think that's true, but wouldn't it be great though SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 12:09, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Gee, we thought we were doing just that a year ago... and take a look at us now... humanUser talk:Human 12:45, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
Dr.CB is now amongst us, it would seem. DogP 13:37, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
What do you mean? 199.254.165.254 16:08, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
He is here. DogP 20:47, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
There is no hope for some of the users, they will have to be "dealt with" when the revolution happens, I think some can be saved, (the young one's and Andy's students). 220.245.178.131 20:11, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Wherein I discover that I am eight people

Okay, I just saw this. I've been at school all day studying for exams. But apparently I'm at least four people I've never heard of. I'm impressed, again, that Karajou thinks I am every liberal who does well in an argument against Aschlafly, but this is just a quadruple-whammy of the Fallacy of Thinking Everyone is Ames.-caius (spy) 23:35, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Apparently they have numbers in their IP. YOU have numbers in your IP. ipso facto non compos mentis YOU'RE THEM! CЯacke® 23:39, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

UPDAIT! you're in. CЯacke®

Huh, I can't actually view links on CP all of a sudden.-caius (spy) 00:18, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
That's almost akin to having a complaint of not being able to use a bandsaw to amputate ones legs. CЯacke® 00:22, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Or being able to use a Roto-Tiller to grind one's victims into the earth as compost? Oops, that was my private horror movie schtick... I guess I gave it away. humanUser talk:Human 00:52, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm a little confused. So, Karajou (whose real name must be Karajo Unger or something) thinks that ElizabethR is a sock of your other socks? Or am I just reading it wrong? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 01:04, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm a sock of AmesG. No, I'm a sock of AmesG (omnes)No, I'm a sock of AmesG. And the forces of evil retreat in dismay. Silver Sloth 06:03, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Will the real sock of AmesG please stand up, please stand up... --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 06:37, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I am Spartacus! -Master Bra'tacKree! 08:47, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Karajou blocked the Queen? The Duke of Edinburgh will have him taken out. It's what he does, you know. Ajkgordon 06:09, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Thank God I'm not the only one who thought that! ("What? Elizabeth Regina...?") --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 06:37, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
According to Karajou it takes someone with the intellect of eight people to be Andy's nemesis. Jollyfish.gifGenghisevolving 14:07, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

What does it all mean?

OK, sorry if this is the wrong place...

I have already argued on here that Conservapedia shouldn't be held to be representative of conservative or Christian views. Rather it's a fringe that is useful in highlighting certain trends within these movements. Indeed one could argue that groups and websites like CP serve a valuable purpose in this regard, much like extremist political parties do.

Some here disagree with this view and maintain that CP is representative of Christian conservatism, at least in the US.

So, where do we see whatever CP does represent going? Is it simply like every other extreme blog out there using the pervasiveness of the Internet to create a lot of heat but little substance and preach to the choir? Or is it indicative of a groundswell of populist opinion and religious fundamentalism that is here to stay? Last hurrah or mainstream? Ajkgordon 04:46, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I basically agree with you. Conservapedia is pretty far from anything that I could recognize as conservative. If anything, it's rather reactionary with a fair bit of crypto-fascism thrown in. As for whether it's Christian, I don't really like putting myself up as a judge of other people's beliefs. As such, I accept that most of the people involved at least self-identify as Christians, even if it's not a form of Christianity that I can relate to or find appealing at all.
In any case, CP is certainly not representative of anything other than the views of the fringe community from which it springs. Also, the whole purpose of the site is not to engage in a dialogue with opponents, but rather to assert the superiority of a certain worldview. As such, it will be attractive to the very small minority who agree with that worldview, but no one else.
As an aside, one could consider whether RW doesn't suffer from the exact same problem, existing in a sort of unwholesome "mirror image relationship" with CP - but that's probably another discussion. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 06:08, 30 April 2008 (EDT) I worry that I seem to have grown way too fond of the word "unwholesome" of late.
They are, and will remain, a vocal minority. It will continue to run for some time, I don't doubt. However, I believe it will eventually be purchased by the Unification Church. (This was actually a much longer comment, but ... lashon hara :( Oh well.) Fox 06:17, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Oh, come on. Aren't we all 'present' on the Internet to some extent? ;-) --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 06:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
CP is a "swamp draining" "land developer" in that they boldly tread into dark and unknown brackish waters drain the thing and have s slew of new houses in a few years.
While I knew about YEC-types roaming the Earth before CP I had never actually met one, let alone talked with one. So while the idea is still wacky, and the holders of that idea hold it with delusional effectiveness I can still see them as sane rational people (otherwise).
The upshot is that what I used to consider delusional people (theistic evolutionists) have become moer "mainstream" and acceptable.
We see the same in REAL®LIFE; no-one dreams of taking a drag queen to grandma's birthday party but your gay "friend", that's just fine, cause, he's so, normal, after all. CЯacke® 09:16, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Re: CP & conservatism in the US - they really do represent a sort of inverted "tip of the iceberg" - the GOP has co-opted the religious and social conservative movement known generally as the "religious right" as part of their base, and CP strongly represents the extremism that is part of each of that group's pet issues. While many in the "movement" may be more moderate, they are swayed and influenced by direct and subtle uses of the positions CP takes - YEC may seem extreme and crazy, but the rhetoric they use snares many much more moderate faithful into voting their way. Look at the school board games (like the one that ended up as Dover v. Kitzmiller), the "gag rule" on health care providers getting gov't funds, things like "Expelled" which are promoted to the moderate as just being "pro faith"... etc etc. CP represents what the leaders of these movements really want. Keep in mind that 15% or so of PA GOP voters actually went out and voted for Mike Huckabee, against the already confirmed nominee-to-be (McCrazy).
This is not about "conservatism" in general, or worldwide, it is about a mostly US-centric movement called more rightly "radical conservatism". humanUser talk:Human 13:57, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
That's just Liebrul-speak for Neo-Nazi, right? Fox 16:49, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Heh, no. In the broadest terms, "conservatism" resists change (which is a good force to have in politics). "Radical conservatives" have an agenda (sometimes reactionary or backwards-looking, sometimes "new" ideas they want to become "law") and want to see changes made rapidly to match their vision. Technically it's an oxymoron, but it's what they are. (as far as "change", the spectrum sort of goes conservative - moderate - liberal - radical). Just my perspective seen from here in the good ole USA. humanUser talk:Human 17:04, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

(outdent) Not wishing to invoke Godwin, there is a movement for a very authorian worldview with some odd ideas for the Jewish people and Israel. Not sure exactly where you (fox) fall on this but look into Christian Zionism (ever realize that there is a religious group that wants Israel to go to war to trigger the rapture?). I haven't delved too far into this, but on the surface it seems accurate http://www.theocracywatch.org/ --Shagie 17:16, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Who's Who

I see the quote about missionaries' kids and Who's Who has been trotted out again. What they fail to see is that Who's Who In Who's Who (their source) has no connection with the real Who's Who, and is a subjective collection probably trawled from numerous vanity publications. The users at Rational Wiki could for example publish their own Who's Who (the name is in the public domain), add only the atheists and then truthfully state that not a single Christian is in Who's Who. Even if you accept the second-rate US (Marquis) versions, looking at the list here it seems that manipulation of criteria (and subsequent data) is pretty simple. And that list doesn't include vanity publications. Fox 07:14, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I see, for example, that there is a publication, Who's Who in Religion, listing "church officials, clergy, religious educators, and lay leaders". I'm sure children of missionaries have a very disproportionate number of entries in there compared to children of orthodontists... Fox 07:29, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Don't you have to pay to be in Who's Who anyways? I seem to remember getting something way back in HS saying I could get my name in one if I paid a fee. The real title should be Who's Who with $20. Jrssr5 09:17, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Not in the real Who's Who - that's by editor's discretion, which is probably why it's more or less the only one being taken seriously. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 09:46, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
For Who's Who Among American High School Students, you don't have to pay to be listed, but you do have to consent to it. Still, it's widely considered a scam, designed to get parents to buy the book (which, in itself, is designed like a multi-volume phonebook) to see their kid's name. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 16:19, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
As with all publishing, the key element is "which way does the money flow?". The "real" Who's Who is published in order to be sold to reference libraries, and they buy it. Many of the rip offs are published to be sold to the "includants". The tip-off is when the "consent" form is mostly an "order" form. humanUser talk:Human 17:07, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

My kingdom for a comma...

Sex Education Replacing Marriage the Basis of the Pro-Abortion Movement? I didn't know that marriage was the basis of the pro-abortion movement! 131.111.8.98 09:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Strange, one would think that pregnancy was the basis for the pro-abortion movement... Go figure ---- SirChuckB
You have a kingdom? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 11:39, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Ed Moon

I'm at work and don't have time to give the events the treatment they deserve, but someone had better document and screenshot the conflict between StephenG, Fox, and Ed Moon today. It's too good to miss! Sandman 11:43, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Er... how about a link so we can find it, please? Psygremlin 12:08, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Indeed. But do not challenge any leading Internet authorities. DogP 12:09, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
cp:Sun Myung Moon and cp:Unification Church. Check the edit histories for today and the talk pages of the pages and users involved. Sandman 12:13, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Thanks! I think Smeg Ed's response clarifies just where his religious priorities lie. Lol and here's a classic. User complains to PJR about Smeg Ed. PJR's reply? "I'm going to bed." [3] Psygremlin 12:19, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks DP! In response to Psygremlin, it seems more to me that Ed's been...well...brainwashed. Sandman 12:31, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, that was well worth tracking Sandman! I'm interested to see how this one washes out. I assume Andy will simply support whatever his henchmen want to support, but you'd have to imagine Andy, TK and Kinky aren't exactly over impressed with Moonieism. There's diligent work for socks over there right now in trying to foment some internal dissent over the matter, I'd say. DogP 12:41, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
EdPoor is not eligible for brainwashing. You must possess brain as a prerequisite. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 12:42, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I stand corrected. Sandman 12:44, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I personally love the bit where he claims to be the "internet's leading authority" on the Unification Church[4]. That, and he capitalized the "i" in internet. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 12:45, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I think he meant "Internets'". And I find it even more scary that he mentions he's been a member his entire adult life, meaning he chose to join. Of course, it could be that he joined when he was a young, impressionable, and easily-swayed "new adult," and now he's just too crotchety and egotistical to even consider that he might have actually just been stupid. Sandman 12:49, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Probably the only way he'd ever get a wife... --SpinyNorman 19:19, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Hey all. I admit I wasn't surprised by Poor reverting and blocking - it reinforces what I'd read in one of the Messianic discussion forum posts by Yonatan/Fox, and gives a little more credence to his conspiracy theories about conservapedia and the moonies. Yoni, sorry for getting you blocked too, it never occurred to me that you might be online there at the same time, idiot that I am. Thanks for the invite to this place, too, but you know me, I'm not much of a joiner. --Stevey 213.251.189.201 (talk) (block)
Well, it's not unusual to see "Internet" with a capital "i", but total WTF at him suddenly claiming to be "the Internet's leading authority on it". --Sid 15:29, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
אריה Shalom!! LOL how does the song go? יוֹנִי לָחַשׁ אַחֲרַי, אַחֲרַי לְאָן שֶׁאֶפְנֶה LOL LOL I did say in the post that anybody going there would be blocked, but you didn't listen did you? I knew it was you as soon as the user name appeared on the recent changes. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, it is Scout night so only just home and settled now. I - in the words of the goyim here - HAVE SENT YOU A VERY IMPORTANT EMAIL - LOL. There's no point trying to edit the truth into those moonie items, because WeirdEdMoon will lie through his third eye to maintain his clever deception there. I'm looking at CP now, and I see that a few others from /cough "the Council" /cough have tried to add info too. And phailed. Who is RobbieFowler (apart from the obvious) - is that Rebbe?? Surely not??!! Sangiovese I can work out LOL. Give it up - you won't beat the sysops there, they will just crack down even harder on everyone else :( as always, save me a seat at shul (as if!) Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalayim Yoni
So is CP turning into a Moonie front? The Moonies are probably conservative enough for the Assfly, and a ready source of funding and political influence for someone who wants to prove to the rest of his over-achieving(?) family that his pet project is an enormous "success". Rational Edperception
The moonies have a massive presence in Noo Joizee... Moon has a thing about buying "conservatie respectability"... Look at what the moonies push, and look at what CP pushes... Ask yourself why a blatant mental retard like Ed Poor is still "in a job" at CP... Ask yourself why CP got real crazy and began pushing ideas that we *know* lawyer Andrew doesn't really support himself... I see here all the spoor of a Moonie church buy-out... Fox 16:09, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Holy crap! A conspiracy! Sandman 16:24, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
While the whole Loonie thing is good for a bit of lulz, would the UC actually be bothered with an inconsequential (sorry Ken, but it's the truth) site like CP? Unless of course Ed 'Mr Wiki' Poor is just doing it off his own bat. Jollyfish.gifGenghisevolving 17:24, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Their plan is to take over a two-bit web site with some limited media exposure and turn it to their own nefarious ends. Today the hum skolarz, tomorrow the world! Rational Edperception 18:33, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

(undent)LOL you seriously underestimate the reach and desire of the UC and the organizations they snap up in their efforts to exert control over all right-wing media. See here or here. Fox 18:39, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

That's the thing about CP. As insane as it is, the idiot in charge managed to pick himself a fantastic name, with instant name recognition. Now I don't know Ed's plans, but it might make sense in this context that a lot of his more insane stuff is aimed at making the project fail, so his folks can snap it up at bargain-basement prices, maybe even keeping that lunatic Schlafly as a figurehead. Certainly it would explain his support of the Team Killa, and some of his more nonsensical moves. --Kels 18:49, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I dunno...Don't discount the possibility that Ed's just plain nuts. Occam's Razor, and all that.--WJThomas 19:16, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
CP makes me wonder if Hanlon's Razor should be applied. --Shagie 19:57, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Just looking at my emails over a cup of kick-start, and see more examples of what a lying fuck WeirdEdMoon is. Apparently he deleted more two-line entries regarding moonie affiliations, stating they were "plagiarised" from various sites. Funny how his idea of plagiarism allows TK to word-for-word copy/paste without this qualifying as plagiarism, but articles about moonies that are derived from a page elsewhere suddenly become the real-deal. I also noted that he's quite proud of the fact that moonies hate Jews - an edit I made a while back, which he's happy to gloat over by retaining. Fox 04:47, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Is it just me, or are quite a few people (I honestly don't know if they're regular CP'ers or trolls (b.t.w. if we're all trolls, would that make Assfly, Kajagoogoo, Crockosight the Three Billy Goats Gruff?)) starting to call Ed out, since he confirmed his Moonie membership? I can't see that sitting too easily with your average Cp'er. PJR has been silent so far, but then I guess you could argue that he's also a cultist. Psygremlin 11:14, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Another Low-Key Meeting

I see there's a last minute announcement of a Schlafly gathering at Columbia U. ID or invite only. Have to laugh at the sentence structure: "At least 4 Conservapedia Sysops will be in attendance to hear Phyllis Schlafly speak on feminism in Math 312." I wasn't sure there was feminism in Math 312 - will have to check my textbooks again. Psygremlin 19:13, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

"Math 312" is a place, a room number, I think.--WJThomas 19:20, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, room 312 in this building.--WJThomas 19:22, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
anybody gonna try and sneak in? SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 19:31, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Hmm.. didn't notice that one. I only know of the other one... Fuzzy|AfD 20:10, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I hope if none of us can get to it, that Mr. Ass Laughly will at least post few... And how about a CP article on Conservapedian Public Appearances? humanUser talk:Human 20:39, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Bah. If they don't tell the world where/when it's going to be, or if they restrict attendance only to the Chosen Few, it's not a "public" event.--WJThomas 20:56, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, but nothing stopping someone turning up and counting the seven attendants through the door? Be interesting to see what they look like? Do they have webbed feet? Three eyes? DogP 21:09, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's a bunch of homeschoolers. One non-CPer from Andy's class posted on her Facebook that she was attending. Fuzzy|AfD 21:46, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Cool, well good luck to them! A fine evening will be had I'm sure by all. DogP 21:48, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Wait, what... I'm not sure that sarcasm (?) came across clearly. Either that or I misunderstood Ketklik's explanation. UchihaKATON! 22:05, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Webbed feet =/= homeschoolers... they do have 3 eyes sometimes though. Anyone going to the one tomorrow morning? (bet you didn't know there is one) =_= Fuzzy|AfD 22:29, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm so pissed! I would have fucking gone to that Columbia one, and I could have since I know people there! Cock! GRRRRR. But then again that's precisely the point, no?-caius (spy) 23:02, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Looks like Ed's writing a full article there in the "news" section. So much for concise. --Kels 23:31, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Wow. Kan we haz side-by-side? What a pile of tripe. humanUser talk:Human 00:07, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Andy's so proud of his picture that he also posted it on the Columbia University page. However, he's buggered up the page layout so that it now sits to the right of the infobox. Jollyfish.gifGenghisevolving 03:19, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Heh! SusanG  ContribsTalk 06:55, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Also, now that a benevolent soul has moved the picture, I notice that the references are unreferenced. (and they begin with [2] (for me @ least))SusanG  ContribsTalk 07:01, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
[1] is in the infobox, but yeah, they're all useless without the Ref section. --Sid 08:55, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

minor typo to fix

"...in which U.S. top policymaker's reside". Plurals are not apostrophized. Please correct, since, I, er, can't. humanUser talk:Human 20:36, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh, and Andy, couldn't you hold the camera so the building looks like it is upright, at least? humanUser talk:Human 20:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
The man is a prophet, not a journalist! Show some respect. --Kels 20:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Photoshop it (or use the gimp) so that it at least has the right perspective then and crop out the guy in orange looking at him. Aside from the bright orange drawing the eye to that point of attention, the guy has an expression that most closely resembles "did I just hear you say something with a voice that sounds like you got too many wedgies in school?" --Shagie 21:23, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Good point but it brings up another one... what are the odds Orange Julius is there with Candy, posing in front of the building? In other words, which CPian is he? Fuzzy Kettle, you know these people, can you tell us? humanUser talk:Human 21:41, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Christ, Bohdan, you wiki whore, can't you at least fix the typo?! Stupidity I expect, but typos on the main page are embarrassing, and I only want the best for Conswervapedia! humanUser talk:Human 00:10, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Always watching. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 08:38, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for the fix (and the shoutout!) PJR! humanUser talk:Human 13:04, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia's rights

The photo of Columbia (above) is subbed: "picture taken by Aschlafly 4/30/08, rights released to Conservapedia". The question is: can Conservapedia own anything, even rights? I don't recall it ever being incorporated or anything similar so does it actually exist as a legal entity? (premusably the same applies to RW Shakinghead.gif) SusanG  ContribsTalk 00:45, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I think he means more in the way of "Conservapedia has permission to use this picture, please don't sue us." With all the copyright issues going on of late ::sly grin:: He can't be too careful. SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 01:21, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Credit where it's due. That photo is truly awful! I guess given the length of time he has spent on CP it's hardly suprising he has lost track of which way is up. RedDog 05:48, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
I also like the fact that he has uploaded the full image of 640 KB with a resolution of 1600x1200 (normally limited to 150 KB). No worries about server space for Andy's own pics I guess. Jollyfish.gifGenghisevolving 11:39, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Schizoid

So what's up with Bohdan? First he wants his user name changed to HenryS and then starts signing as Bohdan again. Unless of course he's running a sock.  Lily Ta, wack! 11:54, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

That post is from April 2, but the rename request is April 8. :P --Sid 12:19, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Ah my mistook. I followed up a link from WIGO and assumed it to be a recent edit. Thanks for making me look stupid Sid. ;)  Lily Ta, wack! 12:25, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Couldn't have done it without you. ;) (And it is misleading because the diff displays the new name as the contributor.) --Sid 12:32, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Gender norming

? SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:55, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

A well-kept secret is that affirmative action is the only thing keeping an equal number of men in many universtity graduate school departments in the U.S. because women are getting so much better grades on the whole than men at the undergraduate level in many fields (revealed to me in conversation with a male administrator at the University of Virginia). Rational Edperception 12:34, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
I can vouch that the woman at my law school are largely smarter than me.-caius (spy) 13:09, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

My Goodness, the Irony

An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity.
- Martin Luther King Jr
Where to start? HOw about the general irony of the quote itself. Add to that every other black guy is an Affirmative Action whatever (guess that makes me an Affirmative Action Rationalwikian) but this one is acceptable, he was Christian.... even though he was extremely liberal.... god, this makes my head spin. SirChuckBPlease Excuse me, I have to go out and hunt giraffes 12:18, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
I guess that makes me an affirmative action doctor. Doctor CBThe Doctor is In 12:59, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
So... Do they choose these quotes based on the irony quotient? 'cause it seems like we get another post like this every week or two... Barikada 13:02, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
My first question was, can they then be aborted/terminated up until that point in time? And, yes, there is a brilliant disconnect between most of their historical quotes and the rest of the site. humanUser talk:Human 13:08, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
There is also a major disconnect between the art masterpieces they highlight and the culture that produced that art. Rational Edperception 13:17, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Something unrelated or derogatory

Did not submit writing plan as requested. Fox 13:29, 1 May 2008 (EDT)