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Seems to me that Assfly is breaking [ commandments] 1,2, and 5. Then he blocks the guy.
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Seems to me that Assfly is breaking commandments 1,2, and 5. Then he blocks the guy.

RIP BRichtigen

TK permabans him for arguing against the teenager achievements nonsense -- Nx talk 06:06, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I was about to paste that in. I love the reason: (insistence on last wordism: argue, argue, argue. See CP Guidelines) despite the fact that he hasn't edited since 27 Dec. Me 06:14, 4 January 2009 (EST)
and yet another CPer who seemed to know something about maths bites the dust. How long until WilliamBeason gets shown the door? After all, with Ed and Foxtrot there, we don' need no steenkeen ekspurts. --PsyGremlinWhut? 06:17, 4 January 2009 (EST)
No. editor blocks & unblocks blocks unblocks
1 AmesG 50 29 21
2 Fox 38 22 16
3 BRichtigen 32 20 12
4 HelpJazz 31 18 13
5 Kektklik 29 20 9
6 NathanG 27 16 11
7 Iduan 26 15 11
8 DinsdaleP 26 16 10
9 TK 25 14 11
10 Palmd001 21 12 9

As he was there only for a couple of months, this is really impressive. LArron 09:29, 4 January 2009 (EST)

You know it's Sunday when...'s Slafessay time. (If anybody wants to improve on that word, you're welcome.)--PsyGremlinWhut? 10:07, 4 January 2009 (EST)

"2. Passages relating to HELL!!!!1!!" Yeah, that's just what a depressed person who have lost their faith would want to hear about. Andrew Schlafly: Clueless about practical theology. Not ready to lead. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 10:17, 4 January 2009 (EST)
[EC] Aww, Hell only got the number two spot? Kirkburn  talk  contr   10:18, 4 January 2009 (EST)
It's the good ol' deserters will be shot approach to leadership. --Robledo 11:37, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Hell got bumped to #3 by the raising of Lazarus, a "particulary powerful passage". Perdition! PS, don't have a list of these Sunday post-worship pukings to add this to? ħumanUser talk:Human 16:41, 4 January 2009 (EST)
This? I reckon this may deserve a place in the list, hasn't been updated in a while. -RedbackG'day 16:46, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Yup, that's it. Thanks! ħumanUser talk:Human 17:10, 4 January 2009 (EST)


Own up. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 11:48, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Not I. Hasn't ron been around for a while?-caius (soldier) 13:47, 4 January 2009 (EST)
He has. And with a Mooslim name, too. I think RonAbdul is a real person — just a dumb one. And he's been around a short enough time that it's conceivable he wouldn't know to read RationalWiki on his days off. He might really not know what happened to Bugler. --Marty 15:35, 4 January 2009 (EST)

"Fantastic Blocks"

Not sure it's wigo-able given that we've seen this all before, but KotomiT has spent the few days of her sysopship making hundreds of edits, mainly admin stuff like moves, categorising etc but also mediating disputes. Which aspect of her contributions does Andy notice? Fantastic blocks! alt 13:08, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Well, it's their most important job innit. God forbid she starts to do something like... think. --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:20, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Andy doesn't really understand the job of a sysop, beyond blocking. Pretty much everything about maintaining a wiki he's had other people cover for him. --Kels 13:28, 4 January 2009 (EST)
For that matter, do the sysops understand the job of a sysop? When last did any of those goons actually knuckle down and do some admin on their blog? Besides Smeg Ed deleting stuff he doesn't understand, of course. --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:48, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Kotomi, as above. Tim, to a decent degree. Phil too, but less so. Pretty much all the "names" in the sysop ranks right now except Kotomi don't actually do much to help the wiki, mostly they just bully n00bz and add to the overall blogness. --Kels 13:53, 4 January 2009 (EST)
That new Addison sysop dude also did a bunch of page moves yesterday or so. --Sid 14:56, 4 January 2009 (EST)


Added Reagan link to the most recent WIGO since his first political office was governor of California as best I can find. Idiots over there worship him after all. EternalCritic 13:50, 4 January 2009 (EST)

We had an incompetent one-termer here in NH, former businessman millionaire, etc. Romney in MA never held office before. I suspect it happens a lot... I bet Jeb Bush's first office was gov of FL? ħumanUser talk:Human 16:53, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Nelson and Winthrop Rockefeller (NY/AR) were also governors as their first elected office. Now I should find some Dem. examples ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 16:56, 4 January 2009 (EST)
That shouldn't be too hard. Ted Kennedy, for one, got his senate seat gift-wrapped and handed to him by JFK without ever holding office before. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:03, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Yup. Now, about governors... When it comes down to it, there's this weird caste of people (business people, and politically connected people) who try to start at the top - governor, senator, etc., instead of state rep, dog catcher, etc. And we can all whine about them (as CP did), but name recognition goes a long way. If we're doing Senators, Hillary held no previous office, either. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:41, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Perhaps we should create an article? "People who leapt to the highest levels of elected office with no prior electoral experience"? (Wow, what a crappy title!) ħumanUser talk:Human 21:43, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Thanks Ken, can we have Human back now, please? --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:49, 5 January 2009 (EST)
"Gentlemen in another state who leapt to the highest levels of elected office with no prior experience as regards to being elected to elected office before the election in question"? ħumanUser talk:Human 14:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Jesus and guns

Now we know. Jesus is pro guns! EddyP 13:52, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Makes sense, perhaps if he had a gun they wouldn't have caught him. Hang on, seriously Andy, what the hell? Please do be explaining how the people who wrote the bible knew about gun control. -RedbackG'day 14:11, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Ken's comment is hilarious, as he sort of forgets what he's talking about and goes off on a tangent about car manufacturers. --Kels 14:25, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Skyping with Ken? Wow. I'd love to do that. What do you need to send a skype call to someone? An email address? DickTurpis 14:29, 4 January 2009 (EST)
You can use Skype as a regular chat thing like Yahoo or MSN too, but I rarely use it at all. I got it because someone wanted to use it to collaborate on a project, then never called with it. Although I'm guessing that Skyping with Ken would be a painful experience, and PJR probably begged off to save the shredded remains of his sanity. --Kels 14:37, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Dick: here Toast 14:55, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I've actually used Skype a number of times, but only with one friend, and I don't think I had to do anything but answer when he called. I was just wondering how to find someone. I guess if I had an email address for Ken, I could add him to my contact list and hope he answers when I call. Don't think I'll be doing that. DickTurpis 16:10, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Ken: Gun control is foolish. -- Nx talk 18:15, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Somehow he manages to segue from that to banning sex on TV because people will be careless at gas stations or something. Ken. Meds. Now. --Kels 18:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)
He realized he shouldn't oppose Andy on this matter and is trying to salvage the situation by blaming the media -- Nx talk 18:27, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Actually, he seems to be trying to incorporate the TV thing into whatever the hell his point was. But on a related note, 0.o --Kels 20:23, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Did anyone notice this?

TKEd defend two of Bugler's rather obvious essays... JessicaT adds delete tags to start an AfD discussion. TKEd decide to ignore the AfD discussions and do whatever the hell they damn well please, moving] one to essay space, and claiming the other one contains no parody. Nobody else on CP can see this?

In the mean time, the AfDs are completely obliterated (I think TKEd removed it from the database completely, unless someone else can find it?). JazzMan 15:27, 4 January 2009 (EST)

The Seventies is still in mainspace; TK just removed the essay tag from it. So these two articles have come through unscathed. I'm finding it a real playground now that all the people who actually read other people's articles are gone; look for your favorite oldies to make reappearances! --Marty 15:47, 4 January 2009 (EST) Hi Jinx! Hi Sideways!

The most intelligent article on CP

Burnt. Nice try, but we saw what you did thar.

Here. [1] — Unsigned, by: EddyP / talk / contribs

Wow. AddisonDM, I take my hat off to you're genius. It's like a lower-class version of WIGO:CP hosted on CP itself. --Marty 15:52, 4 January 2009 (EST) COULD USE MOAR HITLER, THOUGH
Has anyone saw the talk page of AddisonDM? There was a picture made by dots, and their background color changed, about a man's anus, but Assfly burned it [2].--Kangaxx 17:30, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Very creative. They haven't burned See the Conservapedia article on sheep.
yet, if you're that interested -- Nx talk 17:34, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Wow, that would be the most incredible wandalism EVAR!! --Kels 17:35, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I can't see it! It keeps timing out. NOOOOOO! AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 18:18, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Goatse. 'nuff said. --PsyGremlinWhut? 18:23, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I love the way he's added TK's dirty little secrets for all to see again. --PsyGremlinWhut? 17:37, 4 January 2009 (EST)
You mean this? Yeah, TK is going to have a fuckin' stroke when he sees that...I'm going out for dinner--make sure to screencap however this bit of weirdness plays out...TheoryOfPractice 17:43, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Are those chat-log screenshots really TK? Matt oblong 17:46, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Yup. No doubt about it. --Kels 17:56, 4 January 2009 (EST)
It is, and I guarantee that once someone sniffs out that they are reposted, they'll disappear again. Aboriginal Noise What the ... 17:57, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Who captured them? I had a look around to try and find details but couldn't? Is there anywhere explaining the whole thing?@Matt oblong 17:58, 4 January 2009 (EST)
They're probably around somewhere, I'm just not sure where the page ended up. Basically this is a chat he had with another CP sysop who's since left the fold, not long before TK exposed the SDG stuff and basically betrayed Andy's trust in a huge way. I'm sure some others can fill in the details better, but that's a bit of it. Lots of us who were around at the time got chats and emails from him of a similar nature. --Kels 18:10, 4 January 2009 (EST)

And it's gone --PsyGremlinWhut? 18:32, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Did anybody get a screenshot of Addison's essay? FernoKlumpMr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 18:53, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Sans your parthian shot, here -- Nx talk 19:00, 4 January 2009 (EST)
The essay in its entirety can be seen here. It gets chopped off at the edge, but the part that runs off-screen can be seen in FK's parthian shot. I started working toward getting the entire shot in there, but in the end it made the file too large. -RedbackG'day 19:10, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I updated the wigo link. Could someone delete my version? Thanks -- Nx talk 19:16, 4 January 2009 (EST)
S'not a problem. -RedbackG'day 19:36, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I emailed Addison yesterday about TK and included those screenshots... I wonder if that is what prompted the essay. FernoKlumpMr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 19:18, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Interesting, Andy approved it? FernoKlumpMr. Assfly! Don't forget about this petition! 19:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)

OVERRIDE!! Also, educational value ROTFLMAO -- Nx talk 19:48, 4 January 2009 (EST)

- "due to its enormous importance and educational value". OK then. This sounds like an open invite to provide as many examples of moronic vandalism as possible. WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 19:51, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Anyone have any idea how they could see this as a good idea? It's like they are telling people who would like to vandalize that they will adverise their efforts if they get a big reaction. It's the Hall of Fame of Vandals. Patrickr 19:54, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Personally, I looked at that comment by Andy and got the distinct impression that he's enjoying watching TK squirm for a bit. Andy may be a truly profound idiot, but he's also got a very vindictive and nasty streak. Methinks he hasn't totally forgotten about TK's involvement with the SDG. --Kels 20:20, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I want to see someone post Bugler's, MexMax's, JJacob's, and Samwell's blocks of the admins listed, as well as Bugler's contribs for parody. The funniest part is they feel that a drop-down block reason constitutes the truth in vandals - call 'em a liberal vandal, and that's the proof! AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:12, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah, I don't get this page. It goes completely against CP M.O., which was, burn all evidence of dissent. I just feel like we've won... or, vandalism has become more rewarding for those that do it.-caius (soldier) 23:26, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Profanity FTW

What exactly does JY23 think "FTW" stands for? Something profane apparently. WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 15:50, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Obviously, "f-cks the world". It's pretty clear from context, wouldn't you say? :) --Marty 15:53, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Also, it is WTF backwards. Suggestive if nothing else. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
I always understood it as 'Fear The Worst'. Guess I'm wrong. StarFish 03:15, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Ack . . . the proper expansion is "For The Win" as in Goatse for the win!

Materialist YEC

From the PJR-as-Liberal WIGO, Andy says, "If one is drawn to YEC for materialism reasons, then that person will tend to be materialistic on other matters..." Now correct me if I'm wrong, but how would you believe a magic, invisible old man with detachable personalities created the world by magic 6000 years ago in a materialistic way? --Kels 17:52, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I think you misunderstand "materialism reasons" (I'm not the best english speaker, but is that correct??). I think it means, that you declare that you beleive in YEC, so you can get money, or other materialistic rewards.--Kangaxx 18:00, 4 January 2009 (EST)
No, Andy linked that to the CP definition of materialism, which they seem to confuse with atheism. In fact, it seems to classify economics as a form of spiritualism. --Kels 18:07, 4 January 2009 (EST)
In that case shame on me trying to implant logic into Andy's speech --Kangaxx 18:13, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I wouldn't take it for granted that he actually checked what the article said before he linked to it. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:21, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I was assuming he meant that if you were believed in a young Earth because you're one of the wackos who think that geological evidence supports a young rather than old earth, then you believe it for materialistic reasons. Whereas if you take the "Jesus says so" approach, you do it out of non-materialistic faith, which is better. Of course, PJR does it for both reasons, and so does Andy, so it's a stupid thing to say. But then again, so is everything out of Andy's mouth. DickTurpis 19:12, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Of course, you'd have to be a religious whacko to misinterpret geological evidence to that degree. There's really no way to do that by accident. --Kels 20:18, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Wow. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:50, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Surely you're familiar with flood geology. DickTurpis 22:19, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I just can't see any way of starting from the evidence end and reaching the conclusion that the Bible is literally true on those terms without starting by assuming the Bible as literally true. It requires twisting far too much. --Kels 23:19, 4 January 2009 (EST)
"It requires twisting far too much" I love it when you talk dirty to me... or, wait... not me, someone else. Still love it. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:00, 5 January 2009 (EST)
"without starting by assuming the Bible as literally true."
^---You just answered your own question, there. Start with the desired conclusion, then select the 'facts' that will let you work backwards to it. (Lots of people do that, the Creationists are just more blatant than some.) And since the whole POINT of Creationism is that God created the world as seen in The Bible, an Atheist Creationist would be an...interesting bit of doublethink. --Gulik 04:09, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Three years at undergraduate level and flood geology wasn't mentioned once. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 19:08, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I think you should sue your university for not giving you a complete education on all aspects of geology. - User 19:42, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Teach the controversy! --Kels 19:56, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Ken and TK - unstoppable force, meet immovable object

Should it be "Seventies" or "The Seventies"? I don't know! How do Ken and TK try to figure it out? Wheel War! --Sid 18:54, 4 January 2009 (EST)

If there was more than one "Seventies", that's good. If it's singular, "The Seventies" should be correct. Not that these two will let Liberal Grammar get in the way of their Truthiness... --Gulik 19:01, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Someone simply must use a throwaway sock to create cp:Liberal Grammar. You know that rule about no ending sentences with prepositions? And 'whom'? LIBERAL LIES. - Gentleman Publius (V)<,",>(V) 19:06, 4 January 2009 (EST)
And asking questions with three question marks (???) is liberal grammar. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:31, 4 January 2009 (EST)
TK told me once that not capitalizing every Noun is simply a Liberal Trick to sneak Globalism into our School Curriculum. JazzMan 01:46, 5 January 2009 (EST)

WIGO voting breaking

It might be "just me", but twice now in recent history the arrows have gone away. Now, it might be that some other site borked my java, but still. Also, lots of red "img" tags worry me (unless Pi is in the middle of running the bot?) ħumanUser talk:Human 21:47, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Disappearing arrows and red tags are because people aren't setting up the vote tag properly. It is <vote poll=WIGO####>Something from CP</vote> people. Also the bot doesn't like you linking via the [[cp:Page]] ,also doesn't like the Diff links are much better. - User 23:28, 4 January 2009 (EST)
OK, thanks. Still, the arrows came back when I rebooted, etc. Of course, in the meantime, you might have cleaned up the mess... ħumanUser talk:Human 23:57, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I vote down all WIGOs that cause me troubles. - User 00:00, 5 January 2009 (EST)
When you say "the bot doesn't like" [[cp:Page]] links, you just mean that the bot won't try to screenshot pages linked that way, right? (Also, I hope the bot doesn't try to screenshot external links to non-CP sites, such as Google searches or Wikipedia articles. The bot should be trying to screenshot only CP pages, and only when they are in the form of diffs or particular revisions. Also, the bot should be able to handle a link such as this.) People have said at least twice now that the bot "doesn't like" X or isn't happy with X, which to me means something more serious than just "the bot will ignore X".
IOW, I think the take-home message here is not "Never use cp:Page links or links to specific sections", but merely "If you do for whatever reason use cp:Page links or links to specific sections, do not expect the bot to screencap them for you." Am I right? --Marty 00:44, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Actually the bot screencaps everything wrong as it miscounts links. It is RIRO. - User 00:47, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I'd like to apologize for trying to use the cpu template-link. I didn't know it messed the bot up. By the way, what does "RIRO" mean? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
That's okay it just showed up about 5 times in the last few days. RIRO is an old computer term, rubbish-in rubbish-out. If you don't stick things in the way a computer likes, it doesn't give you the results you want. - User 01:44, 5 January 2009 (EST)
"Old computer term"? Like, UNIVAC old? : ) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:48, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Older. - User 01:50, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Wow, you just dated yourself horribly with that. So you were born in, what, the 1850s? : ) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 02:09, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I am inherently embedded in Euclidean geometry. - User 02:14, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Wouldn't that make you a god? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 02:18, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Well I am transcendental. - User 02:22, 5 January 2009 (EST)
It was always GIGO (GARBAGE) when I was a young 'un. Me 02:20, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Maybe that is where WIGO comes from? - User 02:24, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Must be an Australianism - User 02:28, 5 January 2009 (EST)
As a backronym, Wikipedia in, Garbage out works quite well as a description for Conservapaedia. --JeevesMkII 03:45, 5 January 2009 (EST)
: D Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:50, 5 January 2009 (EST)

(unindent) Nice. I also noticed that using the "nowiki" tag around a template doesn't seem to work in the vote listings. I tried putting nowiki around the double-curly-braces, but that only makes the template name show up, not the whole thing. --Gulik 04:16, 5 January 2009 (EST)

We learn ourselves in the process (from wigo)

"We learn ourselves in the process"

That is lovely. A single comma would make it "English", or, at least, "American". Without it, it is teh delightful. — Unsigned, by: Human / talk / contribs 22:46, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I noticed that myself.... I was gonna make a snarky comment along the lines of "I stumbled upon a porn website once, and I learned myself in the process." But I decided to take the high road..... but I've now decided to take the low, and now I'll get to Scotland before ye. SirChuckBCall the FBI 23:52, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Judges: namespace?

cp:Category:Colors has an incoming link from cp:Judges:Learn togethertally. What other pages are in the Judges: namespace, and has anyone ever seen any of those pages? Are there any other "hidden" namespaces on CP? (How about on WP?) Just curious. --Marty 01:14, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Judges are left over from the contests. There are also the teams' namespaces and the non-secret Sysop namespace. - User
See here: here. If you scroll to the bottom, you'll see the judges etc have access to namespaces 120 up (namespaces above 100 are user defined.) Me 01:29, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Also, those namespaces aren't accessible on wiki, but they can be queried and read with the appropriate URL. I forgot what it was, and who told me this, but it wasn't a hack, it's just the way MediaWiki works: "invisible" namespaces aren't invisible, they're just hard to get to. Anyways, long story short someone read the judges namespace a long time ago and it was boring. Ditto the short-lived Sysop namespace.-caius (soldier) 01:46, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Here you go, read them all. - User 01:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Heh, I was just about to point that out, too... and then I started fixing them up. Ah, such is work on a wiki. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 02:04, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Since you asked on Wikipedia: There's no hidden namespaces in WP (though there's "hidden" off-wiki areas, like the OTRS and various mailing lists that are closed to the public, for various reasons). You can see a list of all namespaces in the Special:Allpages dropdown box in all MediaWiki sites. Here, too! --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 04:46, 5 January 2009 (EST)


[3] Me 02:25, 5 January 2009 (EST)

It is hard to work out which is worse, his graphic design skills or his people skills. - User 02:35, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Is this new? I could have sworn he's had it on his userpage for ages. Why share it now? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 02:45, 5 January 2009 (EST)
He says he has a seekrit reason for doing these things he does, and that the Assfly fully approves. I can't imagine what it is, except possibly for amusing those of us here in the peanut gallery. --JeevesMkII 03:18, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Therapy? Me 03:26, 5 January 2009 (EST)
It's Ken trying to insert a Youtube video into a template. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 19:15, 5 January 2009 (EST)


Uncle Ed writes an article two sentences on one of them preverts. --Marty 02:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)

"an first year student". This fuckknuckle teaches writing??!! --PsyGremlinWhut? 03:06, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I feel so sorry for his students. --Gulik 04:28, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I don't believe he has any. From his descriptions, his whole teaching career seems to consist of a creepy old man putting cheaply printed fliers though people's letter boxes. --JeevesMkII 04:34, 5 January 2009 (EST)

TK never forgets

TK on a whim decides to block AKjeldsen (last edit, several months ago) for reasons best known to himself. I guess TK isn't a guy who forgets grudges. --JeevesMkII 07:44, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Awww. :-( And just when I was about to contribute some good, solid conservative material. Well, so it goes. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 13:34, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Waitaminute. Now being retired from CP is a blockable offence? What a hypocrite. WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Well, I think Henry only unblocked AK in order to allow him to contribute to the Danish Writing Group thing, and as far as I could tell, he never went to any of the meetings. So... ħumanUser talk:Human 15:07, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Hey, I contributed. Under a moderate amount of duress, to be sure, but I contributed. At least until Andy's continued slurs against honourary Dane Leif Eriksson drove me to reconsider my membership. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 15:51, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Go Ed!

Smeg Ed's at the maths again. --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:56, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Perhaps, he was included in this mail / Parthian shot.... LArron 08:08, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Lovely, Ed, just lovely:
All fractions can be expressed as decimals, and vice versa. If the denominator is not a power of ten, you get a repeating decimal or repeating fraction. You can round it off, or use a vertical line over the repeating digits.
1/3 = 0.33 (rounded to two digts)
Ever heard of 1/2? Or 1/4? Oh, that's higher math, I suppose :-) LArron 08:14, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Pendantically speakin', those repeat, too. (1/2 = 0.5000000...) ħumanUser talk:Human 15:09, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Yes, pedantically , too. But, generally, terminate. LArron 15:27, 5 January 2009 (EST)
"The digit 3 repeats indefinitely, so if you need more precision you can write 0.33333 or whatever." - ...or whatever? *bashes head against table* Just to be certain: Ed is not a parodist, right? --AlanS 08:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
"A decimal, like a fraction, is a way to express numbers smaller than 1." How do they think non-integer rationals greater than 1 are expressed? Phantom Hoover 09:08, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Is Ed also contributing to a Californian teen girl wiki encyclopaedia as well as Conservapedia, and sometimes getting the two mixed up? I mean first liveblogging teen movies, now adding "like, whatever" to the end of his articles. It's like he's totally clueless. Now, lets all go liveblog sporadicus. --JeevesMkII 09:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Nice, Ed cleans the drop-menu for the reason of blocks, erasing Aschlafly's latest favorite insistence on last wordism. Most important to Uncle Ed: Refusing admin instructions LArron 10:10, 5 January 2009 (EST)
It seems that this may have been the impetus for the new block reason. We all knew sysops could unilaterally make up rules, but it's almost nice to see it codified. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 10:46, 5 January 2009 (EST)
(EC) Now I've seen everything. That's some impressive work. Must be parody. It must be. I mean, even if the guy can't understand maths at all he must surely know that a wiki is designed so that people who do know more can contribute while those who don't know can learn from it. Ooops. Sorry, that's elitism. ArmondikoVd hominem 10:13, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Oh, haven't you heard? Expertise is LIBERAL. The proper, Conservative way is be pig ignorant and spout off anyway. --JeevesMkII 10:16, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Oh, ho! This is great. Nothing says "come edit here" like unwelcoming people. Way to go smeg Ed. You're a really swell guy. --JeevesMkII 10:19, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Well, RW has the unwelcome template and I've seen comments struck out a few times, but at least the RW:unwelcome template has a bit of constructive text rather than your basic "go f**k yourself" attitude. ArmondikoVd hominem 10:26, 5 January 2009 (EST)
We only use the unwelcome when people's first edits are offensive or pointless vandalism. Reasons for unwelcoming at CP? Because the user puts up a userbox on their own page within the first few edits. [4] WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 10:52, 5 January 2009 (EST)
(ec) The best part is the piddly reason for its first use: "[user] lied about being new to wikis: copied a userbox in first few contribs" and the resulting infinite block. Ed never ceases to amaze. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 10:53, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Not to mention the infinite bannination that goes along with the unwelcoming. I guess "benefit of the doubt" isn't in Ed's vocabulary. --JeevesMkII 10:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I didn't realise she was banned for it. That's incredible. She only said she was "rather new to wikis". Apparently being able to copy & paste templates from somebody else's page makes her a liar about that. WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 11:04, 5 January 2009 (EST)
When you're Ed Poor, copying and pasting must seem like a herculean task that may only be accomplished by god and/or Dennis M. Ritchie, who may or may not be the same person. --JeevesMkII 11:09, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Ouch. And to think how many newbies I've seen in Wikipedia who treated their user pages as MySpace, with bazillion userboxes... Our response has generally been "That's nice, but could you stop doing that and contribute to the articles too?"... failing that, a MfD, at worst, salt it. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:54, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Sheriff TK

Nice phrasing. Is this tacit permission to start using the phrase "..and the horse you rode in on." ? Worm (t | c) 08:31, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Sharif Sheriff don't like it...mock the TK, mock the TK. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 08:51, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Great. Now every time I see Teacake post I'm going to be hearing wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-waa-waa-waa. --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:57, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Then my work here is done, good sir. By order of the prophet/We ban that wandal sound/Degenerate the faithful/With that crazy rati'nal sound. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 09:05, 5 January 2009 (EST)
The Good, The Bad, and The TK. :D AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 09:19, 5 January 2009 (EST)
TK is more like Eli Wallach in The Magnificent Seven than Eli Wallach in TGTBATU, but he is ugly on the inside, so I can't really complain. :D --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 09:29, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Possibly more like this kind of sheriff. WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 10:40, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Nope. THIS is the only sheriff that TK can come close to emulating...TheoryOfPractice 10:46, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Amateurs. --Kels 19:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Ah reckon that Tonkey Kong needs t'be taken to Missouri.DSFARGEG 10:52, 5 January 2009 (EST)


I'm probably asking to get the joke spoiled by explaining it but, what's inappropriate or vulgar about WillE? NightFlare 12:19, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Penis --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:21, 5 January 2009 (EST)
It's a bit like Nautius Maximus or Biggus Dickus. ("Willy", also known as "Tadger", "John Thomas", "Old Man", or cock)--Toffeeman 12:22, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Thank you. NightFlare 12:28, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I see Mistress T is getting in to the sysop swing of things. Soon she'll be toadying, blocking and power abusing just like her illustrious predecessors like Learn Together. --JeevesMkII 12:32, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I refuse to believe that! >_< AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 13:04, 5 January 2009 (EST)
You mean you can't picture her in leather jackboots, brandishing a whip? /evil mode off --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:38, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Is she really Asian or just living in Japan? Never mind I'm going to just imagine my hot asian dominatrix anyways :) --BoredCPer 17:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)
(EC)Like Rick Astley's song goes, " do I!" NightFlare 13:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
That is one seriously grumpy Kotomi we have today. --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:30, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Not bad. The more people she chases off, the more CP withers. Proving once again that we Liberal Parodists can't do half as much damage to CP as the True Believers can. --Gulik 15:22, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Never in my illustrious career have I ever seen a Vaguely Penis-shaped User Name Formation. I've seen not-so-suggestive user names. I've seen user names so blatantly pr0nish that the snow melts. But this is one of the most clear-cut cases of "dirtiness is where you see it" that I've ever seen! --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:22, 5 January 2009 (EST)
At least she has a sense of humor: "JessicaT ... blocked BarackHusseinObama ... ‎ (Please recreate your account with your real first name and last initial: Sorry Mr President)" ħumanUser talk:Human 16:40, 5 January 2009 (EST)

PJR - Setting the record straight

A little while back I wrote a short piece describing why I thought PJR, although a likeable fellow, and his ideology were dangerous.

While he doesn't want a debate by proxy here, I offered and he accepted for me to post objections he has to what I said. These are, in paraphrased form, interspersed with my original below.

Personally I like the guy too. He's probably one of these people who is difficult to dislike whatever his views. His apparent reasonableness, his politeness, his thoroughness, his sense of fairplay.... all these are endearing qualities. **He didn't disagree with that!**
But, and this is a big but, his theology is dangerous. Not so much his YEC on its own - that's an intellectual position at odds with the secular world and the overwhelming majority of mainstream Christian theology - but how his theology would impact on politics and power. **He denies that YEC is at odds with the overwhelming majority of Christian theology but even if it was that is only true for the last century or so.**
PJR fundamentally absolutely believes that his religion, nay, his take on religion, is the only one that is true. **He claims that most people think that of their beliefs.** All others are deviants or opposites of this. He knows that everyone who is not aligned pretty closely with his faith will perish. **He feels that's over-stating it. For example, one doesn't haven't be a YEC to be a Christian who will be saved.** If you don't believe the Bible to be literally 100% true, then you don't really believe in anything at all and will spend an eternity regretting it. **Quote: "I don't believe the Bible to be literally 100% true. I acknowledge the existence of euphemisms, parables, poetic language, metaphor, and etc." **
I imagine he sees it as his God-given duty to evangelise his beliefs. And, if he had the power to do so, his evangelism would be forceful. He has admitted as much. **He strongly objects to my claim that it would be forceful because one cannot force a belief.**
He would install a theocracy based on his brand of Christianity. He would support the expansion of that theocracy across the world. **He denies he would support a theocracy, rather that he would support the government openly admitting the existence of God as a fact.**
It would mean the end of all science that contradicts YEC. **He would not ban that research but would be minded to reduce or stop any government funding of it.** It would mean an end to religious freedom. **He claims it would not and repeated that belief has to be free not forced.** It would mean the total outlawing of things like homosexuality, abortion, divorce, pornography, blasphemy, inappropriate dress, sex outside wedlock, and a host of other things. **He states that he hasn't given much thought to the hypothetical situation of "him being in charge" so has no real views on these except that each case would be dealt with on its merits and not as black and white as I suggested. As an example, he doesn't necessarily agree that homosexuality should be totally illegal - rather it shouldn't be accepted as being OK.** (And, for those used to Aschlafly's brand of Christianity, there would probably be no capital punishment, guns or water-boarding either.) **He has no objection to capital punishment in those cases that are beyond doubt and intentional. He hasn't given much thought to gun control or torture and so doesn't have a particularly strong view on them.** And there would be a lot of war.
This wouldn't be a power trip. This is not about social control as it is for the likes of Aschlafly.
This is about saving eternal souls. And our petty worldly differences and suffering pale into insignificance.
PJR, if you're reading this, I apologise if I've got this wrong. But that's the way it comes across to me. Ajkgordon 05:29, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Again, he doesn't want a remote control debate so I won't repeat my replies to his objections. You can probably guess what they are. Ajkgordon 13:07, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Since I'm sure he's reading this: PJR, let me back on CP and I'll happily debate you until one of the other members of the Goon Squad bans me. There's no point to arguing in email, since I doubt you can convince me, and I know I can't convince you, but in a public forum, we can show off for the crowds. --Gulik 15:26, 5 January 2009 (EST)

TerryH and dark matter

I couldn't help but be reminded about this Chick tract:

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NightFlare 14:04, 5 January 2009 (EST)

As I believe PZ Meyers has pointed out, "Goddidit!" is not a useful scientific hypothesis. --Gulik 15:24, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Also, (in ref to the Chick panel), wouldn't we then fall through the hole he should have in his hand? --Just sayin' CЯacke® 16:27, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Technically, crucifixions victims had their wrists nailed, not their hands. It'd be pretty hard to hold a galaxy in your hand with an injury like that though. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 17:07, 5 January 2009 (EST)

CP: A statistical analysis of the first and the second years' growth, accomplishments, and major contributors.

Well, Ed Poor never ushered a writing assignment, but I'm still intrigued by the ideas for Conservapedia Day. No, not the poetry competition, but the statistical part. So, here a nice pic for you to analyze:


LArron 16:05, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Now THAT'S a nice graph. Really nice job LArron. Can you knock up the same for RW and superimpose one on t'other? DogP 17:40, 5 January 2009 (EST)
The site is growing rapidly!!!1! -- Nx talk 17:42, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I thought they'd never make half of that initial blogburst in February '07. A lot of us here, and most of the RW founders, saw CP for the first time thanks to that. I assume a lot of the edits in that period were thanks to the victims of the Night of Blunt Knives. --Kels 19:31, 5 January 2009 (EST)

That graph makes me wish there was some way of comparing CP's traffic through its entire lifetime. I'm sure they've never come close to matching that period in terms of traffic, either. --Kels 19:33, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Ed necroed a wikipedia review thread

Ed Poor at RFA - Sat 19th July 2008 to Sat 27th December 2008 with resulting critique of Conservapedia. Amusing to read. --Shagie 16:49, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Ed's behavior at CP dictates what would've happened had he kept his powers at WP. They should just adopt his policy at CP - 5 years or infinite of "penance". Sounds fair to me. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 17:18, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Yup, as someone there pointed out, he's not trustworthy enough to handle a TV remote. Meanwhile, he's trying to be a bit more subtle with his POV forks these days. --Kels 19:28, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Uncle Ed and Gun Control, part II

This was WIGOed already but I couldn't resist to put my favorite bit from Unca Ed's comment: "Crime in NYC would go down dramatically if every law-abiding citizen were allowed to get a gun and carry it around with them, loaded. Especially in high-crime poverty-stricken areas." (Bold text by me). I bet the big idiot's wet dream is to shoot some mothafucka in the head some day. JJ4eI christen thee Sir Annoyz Alot 19:12, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Well.... if it could be restricted to "law-abiding citizen"s, maybe he'd have a point (to go with the one on his head). But, ... nah.... what an idiot. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:35, 5 January 2009 (EST)
wouldn't a better solution be to remove the poverty and thus convert the crime into nice white collar conservative crime instead of this nasty liberal stuff that's endemic in these poor areas? (does that make sense? well itdid to me. OK then.) Frohlich 19:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)

I know this isn't CP-related, but it's important, so...

Somehow a conservative blog (The Confluence) made it into the "best liberal blog" category of the 2008 Weblog Awards. Please go vote against them, preferably by voting for "Talking Points Memo," the current favorite to beat them. Please also use all your proxy skillz to get in as many votes as possible.-caius (soldier) 19:34, 5 January 2009 (EST)

It is unfortunate that we don't get conversations going much on WIGO blogo and clogo so you could post that there. I voted for The Confluence, they seem to be winning. - User 20:02, 5 January 2009 (EST)
NOOOOO VOTE AGAINST CONFLUENCE!-caius (soldier) 20:16, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Oh I thought you wanted piss him/her off, naming his/her right-wing blog liberal. - User 20:20, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Christ, Ames, calm down and start thinking rationally. You cannot vote against a single blog, but you can vote for a different one. Tell people to vote for Wonkette; it's the only other blog in that category with enough votes to contend with Confluence (130+ for Wonkette vs. 300+ for Confluence). Any other vote would be wasted on blogs with no chance of winning, and in the end Confluence would still be No. 1. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:27, 5 January 2009 (EST)

LOL. That is what I've been doing. I thought Crooks & Liars would be the one out front, so my blog post on the subject SAID to vote for C&L, noting the vote fracturing potential. But Wonkette came out of nowhere. That's good, though; I like Wonkette better.-caius (soldier) 20:32, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Holy shit. Wonkette is already ahead of Confluence (353 to 333 votes). Did Wonkette just now post a "vote for me" entry on her blog, or did someone here heavily abuse Tor? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:40, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Irony, thy name is Andy

I'm too lazy to clip links to the changes, so here's a cut-n-paste from the "Wiki news item" thread on the CP Main Talk page, where Andy manages to refute ETrundel's last statement quite nicely:

Perhaps this article should be taken down then? The above comments are very sensible, and I agree. I personally feel that it makes us seem stupid; I know we are not. ETrundel 11:19, 5 January 2009 (EST)
Folks, learn how the simply concept of futures markets works and don't demand censorship of information. Thanks and Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 11:31, 5 January 2009 (EST)

--SpinyNorman 20:26, 5 January 2009 (EST)