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::::As much as I want to see Conservapedia shrivel up and die, you realistically can't expect much productivity on a website dominated by USAmericans when the date is at or near 11 September. --{{User:Onion/sig}} 15:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::::As much as I want to see Conservapedia shrivel up and die, you realistically can't expect much productivity on a website dominated by USAmericans when the date is at or near 11 September. --{{User:Onion/sig}} 15:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I guess Conservative's edits should be discarded when considering activity. Could someone make a graph of edits per day (without Conservative) over time? — [[User:Pietrow|<span style="color:DarkOliveGreen">Pietrow</span>]] [[User_talk:Pietrow|<span style="color:DarkOliveGreen">☏</span>]] 15:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I guess Conservative's edits should be discarded when considering activity. Could someone make a graph of edits per day (without Conservative) over time? — [[User:Pietrow|<span style="color:DarkOliveGreen">Pietrow</span>]] [[User_talk:Pietrow|<span style="color:DarkOliveGreen">☏</span>]] 15:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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== Ken Demyer - the early daze ==
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Based on comments above, I've been having a look through the SDG stuff that {{TK}} leaked and there are some wonderful comments made by the sysops of that time. Remember, Ken was excluded from the SDG, unlike TZB, where they all ignore him. One wonders what CP would be like today, if Andy actually had an ounce of managerial skill and took Ken in hand? (''Ok, that's a mental image that will now require brain bleach.'') Certainly, there'd be no the transitional animal the flying kitty and just maybe articles on Atheism et al that were readable, if nothing else.
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*'''From Level_1/dce9269700651396.html - Good reversion on TK's part'''
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Background - it would appear as if sometime around Oct 2007, Krazy Kenny was adding info that Fox News - probably then the main source of CP's borked news - was all part of some homosexual conspiracy. Needless to say, sysop eyebrows were raised and TK stepped in and reverted.
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{{quotebox|reply=1|'''DanH''': ...because we often rely it on it as a news source, a claim such as Conservative's that FOX News is part of a vast homosexual conspiracy definitely would undermine the rest of our research.}}
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{{quotebox|reply=2|'''TK''': He is a raving lunatic, Conservative is.}}
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{{quotebox|reply=1|'''DanH''': I know I'm complaining about him too much, but I find it hard to be a sysop on a site where one of the leading sysops is claiming that FOX News is a homosexual conspiracy. I just don't know how much more of this I can take.}}
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<small>As we all know, the final straw for Dan was Andy insisting that Obama was a Muslim.</small>
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{{quotebox|reply=3|'''Karajou''': Sorry about saying this, Andy, but ''Conservative is going to have to be dealt with.''  I'm saying this for the sake of Conservapedia.  ''He's got to come around to where he's a benefit for the site, and not a problem, or he has to be removed.''}}
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<small>One of the few Karajou statements I can agree with. Too bad Andy ignored him. </small>
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{{quotebox|reply=4|'''RobS''': Conservative represents a parochial, narrow focus agenda, we should be able to deal with that.}}
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<small>Well, 3 years later Rob, not only have you not dealt with it, it's turned CP into a laughing stock. Ok, an even bigger laughing stock.</small>
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{{quotebox|reply=1|'''DanH''': The problem is that his "agenda" conflicts with ours to the point that it undermines us.}}
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And where was Andy when all this was going on? Hiding his head in the sand, like he usually does when it comes to conflict resolution.
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*'''From Level_1/bc71204f541c6e18.html - User:Conservative again'''
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Where we first meet the International Man of Mystery (Sep 2007)
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{{quotebox|reply=3|'''Karajou''': Did Conservative ever at any time tell us where he's from? Did he ever make postings of any kind outside of Conservapedia or CreationWiki? Does anyone here know his real name?<p>
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I'm saying this because I'm still not convinced as to his honesty with regards to CP.  Yes, I agree he has made an awful lot of contributions to the site, but even Hitler has done good things as well. }}
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{{quotebox|reply=3|'''Karajou''': ...there are two additional accusations here, one of which is just plain bad.<p>
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The first, and bad one, is that Conservative is the troll known as KDBuffalo.  That has to be proven, and a simple way of doing so is to
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get the known IPs from KDBuffalo and matching that to Conservative. Only an exact match will do.<p> 
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The second accusation, and possibly safe, is that Conservative is the individual named Ken DeMyer from Buffalo, New York, and the same Ken
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DeMyer who made those off-site columns in support of creation, but were marked with a lot of cut-and-paste quotations.  If this is the
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case, we're dealing with a 45 year-old man instead of the 20 year-old we may have believed that Conservative is. <p>
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Now if Conservative is truly on our side, and we all hope and pray he is, ''he needs a talking to.''}}
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<small>Hello? Andy?</small>
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{{quotebox|reply=2|'''TK''': I don't like his cutting off all contributions to them, as if this were a Bible Wiki, with just one POV.  It is understandable because that is what he is used to, and to be brutally frank, CP needs workers like him creating content, even if controversial in nature, to draw people to it!}}
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{{quotebox|reply=3|'''Karajou''':  It is possible that providing a comfortable working environment here we can keep Conservative from becoming someone like KDBuffalo. }}
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<small>Ha! Ha! Ha! Fail on so many levels there, Karajou!</small>
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And once again, not a single word from Brother Leader. See Andy, it's just a short step from bullshit SEO results to 125 flying kitty pictures. If only you'd slapped Ken around a little bit, you know, like you did to PJR. --[[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]{{User:Psygremlin/sig|}} 15:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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Ed spanks TK... twice

Once for being cruel to n00bsimg.

And once for postingimg a shitimg story on Mainpagerightimg. Countdown to Terry Koeckritz revenge in 10... TerrenceKoeckring (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I was perplexed also. Who were the liberals supposed to be? The trespassers or the law-enforcing gun owner? The students or the teacher? Everyone? I know Andy could figure it out, but it's still pretty odd. The Truth(TM) is that TK (with nothing to add to the project, but desperate to justify his existence) just throws up news stories. If he can't find one that bolsters the CP agenda, then whatever. He simply feels he needs to do something, and it actually works. Occasionaluse (talk) 17:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Since it was a public school teachers, & public school students, either or both are clearly at fault. Presumably this was supposed to be posted as an example of public school values. ЩєазєюіδWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
"Ed, how dare you disagree with me in public?!?! Contact me behind the scenes, as is normal for a public wiki! Oh, and it's impossible to add a news item at a lower-than-top slot, duh!"img Didn't even bother with the cutesy "Professor Poor" crap - Ed is so screwed. ;) --Sid (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Man, never thought id feel bad for ed, or ANY CP sysop. That TK is going crazy, a little more each day. How long before TK stages a Coup d'état and overthrows Assfly? — Unsigned, by: Thunderstruck / talk / contribs
That'll never happen - TK is a puppetmaster, pulling strings behind the scenes. He will manipulate useful people in private chats, and anybody who somehow shows how much of a fool he is will be trampled down. At this point, challenging Andy would be a step down - he has reached the point where he can openly (and repeatedly) troll the entire community without any ill effects, so why would he want to stop? --Sid (talk) 22:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Another great example of Playing the Victim when Queried. "If you had bothered to read the story link" indeed. Terry Koeckritz, you're a lying toerag. I suggest you pray for forgiveness next time you're on your knees. TerrenceKoeckring (talk) 22:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't see Terry Koeckritz winning out here. Ed Poor is definitely higher-ranked than the Team Killer (he's a lot closer to Pope Andy). And honestly, TK isn't a "puppetmaster" - I don't even think he's that bright. The reason TK gets away with being an asshole isn't due to some genius manipulation, it's because Andy doesn't care about any part of the site other than what he's currently working on. Colonel of Squirrels禁止不是法西斯 23:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
He isn't a genius puppetmaster, but he is a very experienced internet troll. Being the unpleasant lietenaunt on odd websites is evidently is main hobby. I hope he goes for Ed, but we won't get to watch very much of it - at least until the next discussion group leak. Broccoli (talk) 00:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that Ed Poor "outranks" Terry Koeckritz -- Ed is harder working, better liked, and personally much closer to Andy, but TK is the one who can claim credit for making CP what it is today, and since Andy likes the status quo, he wants to let Terry Koeckritz think he is the genius. Anyway, one single loss for TK is a huge blow to his ego and his clout, while Ed has nothing big at stake unless he himself wants this to get bigger than it needs to be.--CentimeterINCHES 02:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I like Centimeter's analysis because it explains why TK acts like such a little bitch and makes things worse when his shenanigans get called. Nutty Rouxnever mind 02:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
TK is just a bully. Unfortunately (for him) bullies only succeed when they have the upper hand. In a one-to-one situation they can usually intimidate their target, that's why TK (Senior Admin) always want to take things behind the scenes. In a group situation, if TK is in the wrong, he is outnumbered so has to play the injured party. Really, the example of this are almost innumerable. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 03:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Best analysis yet, which is regrettably true. ~SuperHamster Talk 03:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

It couldn't last. Ed bends overimg and tries to relaximg. TerrenceKoeckring (talk) 13:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Ed Poor begs TK for his "indulgence". What does that even mean? ONE / TALK 14:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
It means a guy with a 95 IQ is patronizing a guy with a 90 IQ. Nutty Rouxnever mind 15:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Or possibly an acknowledgement that TK is pope of CP. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
That's world class obsequiousness. Andy must have turkey slapped Ed after TK did some behind the scenes penile engorgement on Herr Schlafly.--Brendiggg (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Ed's contribs of that time are telling: "Yes, TK, I'm so terribly sorryimg for not asking you for permission, please forgive me! God what an effing asshole gonna kill the bas- OH GOOD, SOMEBODY DISLIKED MY NARTH QUOTE?img DIE, DIE, DIE!img Man, that felt good!" --Sid (talk) 16:48, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah that's what happens. When Ed gets slapped about, he has a tantrum and throws all the toys out of the pram (or all the editors out of CP... in either case, shit and vomit are recurring features) ONE / TALK 18:24, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I love just what a pathetic hypocrite he is. He gets all Mabel and threatens handbags at dawn when somebody questions him in public and yet has no problem doing it himself.img Of course, the second he's queried, it's back to "The reason I prefer email between Admins is to save embarrassment."img Really, he is a wretched little excuse for a human being and despite his protests would probably enjoy getting spanked by Ed. --PsyGremlinSprich! 15:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Mainpage: All Obama All The Time

The only reason I go to Conservapedia anymore is to find out what the wingnut talking points are, but I may just stop altogether. It's so boring. How many ways can they write the same thing about Obama and Obamageddon over and over? Here's the word usage on the Mainpage right now:

  1. Obama - used 36 times
  2. Liberal - 24 times
  3. Conservapedia - 23 naval gazings
  4. Conservative - 22 times
  5. Abortion - 9 times
  6. Christian- 7 times
  7. Atheist - 6 times
  8. shockofgod - 3 times

Many of the words above are from their mainpage linkfarm, whereas most of the Obama usage is their mainpage content. Do wingnut conservatives care about anything else going on in the political world? --Leotardo (talk) 01:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Main Page word cloud
"Does Andy care about anything else going on in the political world?" Fixed that for you. And the answer is no. Tetronian you're clueless 02:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I think all the extreme conservatives think about is their Christian beliefs getting into politics somehow. You can slap the word atheist or Muslim on anything they don't like and they'll applaud. Because they are also what I consider radical Americans, you can do the same with the word communism or communist. You can see this kind of stuff on Fox News.
  1. Muslim - Over 37 times?
  2. Communist - Over 17 times?
I just did a quick CTRL+F through the "Barack Hussein Obama" page to see how many times they use those words for my own curiosity. I don't know if the words are directly related to him or what he supports, but I still found it amusing to see the amount of times these words were used. --BradT 02:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Wordle is quite good for this sort of thing. See image right. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 05:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Nobody uses the word "communist" as a self-descriptor in the U.S. these days, except for a few Leninist cranks, probably because they produce all their rhetoric by rote. Actual Reds call themselves "progressives" or "social-justice activists" or something similar. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:36, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
For a split second there, I was glad to have your rabid paranoia back. Occasionaluse (talk) 12:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Between last night and this morning, "Obama" now appears 45 times on Main, up from 36. With their latest story about a WH dance series, Main is becoming more like People magazine devoted to the Obamas. --Leotardo (talk) 13:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Obama is now mentioned 49 times on Main, an increase of 13 in just a little over a day. Obama Derangement Syndrome. --Leotardo (talk) 16:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Please, please. I need attention....

TK's latest additions to Main Page Right seem to be designed to get our (or anyone's) attention. Not working out at the moment though so they get increasingly desperate. Remember the thing where Andy blabbed on pathetically about how Obama never danced therefore he must be a Muslim? So TK posts thisimg along with a photo entitled Obama Dancing. A few edits later there is this gem which sounds like a Ken paranoia special when he's low on meds.img StarFish (talk) 11:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

We should have a round table discussion with these nutjobs and serve them croissants. Occasionaluse (talk) 13:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Oh, TK's being an attention whore again. Ho-hum. --PsyGremlinSprich! 13:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Islam project

Hopefully that'll get added to the main page, along with the other stillborn (aborted?) projects: anti-socialism; anti-abortion and Richard Dawkins. It's still funny to see CP having such lofty ideals, but with no editor base to support them and absolutely no inclination from any sysop (besides Krazy Kenny) to get off their butts and actually do something besides belittling, abusing and blocking the remaining few editors they have. --PsyGremlinParla! 12:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, aren't the people writing this "project" always bitching and moaning about being called racist?--Thunderstruck (talk) 13:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
What's that got to do with the price of fish? DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 13:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Even Ken lacks the wherewithal to get anything done over there. When he finally delivered the coup de grace to the anti-socialism project, there was only one article, created by me. Conservative hadn't done anything to it. Really, the amount of don't-give-a-shit over there is staggering. Colonel of Squirrels禁止不是法西斯 15:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
If anyone has a respected sock, starting a Conservapedia anti-moonie project to make Ed lose his shit might be fun. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 15:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, the days where you debate whether a sysop was a cultist or not are long gone. It was fun watching Andy defend Dean, although he never did get round to explaining why God is actually a man living on an alien planet. Dean's tearful histrionics were fun to watch too. These days, Andy needs all the friends he can get, so he'll happily overlook the fact that Ed's Jesus is some fat bloke from Korea. --PsyGremlinHable! 16:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember these debates. Are there any extant links? DickTurpis (talk) 16:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, Andy's Jesus is an anti-war, soft-on-crime, family-values-can-suck-my-ass, anti-religious conservatives, proto-feminist socialist revolutionary social progressive from Palestine. I think being fat and a gook is something Andy can magnamimously overlook under these circumstances. Rush is fat too, and being a chink is largely okay anyway unless it gets you one of those affirmative-action professor-values math prizes. mb 16:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Start reading from here. Screen cap here, in case the page should vanish. Also TZB 600/3ed67fd1c1e55f28.html. Bonus lulz for PJR basically saying "but, you're not a Christian..." --PsyGremlinSiarad! 16:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I love watching one religious people attacking the beliefs of another religious people... they use such hilariously ironic arguments that I almost have to laugh! --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 06:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Essay: Richard Dawkins' lack of appeal to the Asian women audience

This is very strange, but I'm not sure if it is strange enough for WIGO. Thoughts? [1] Gooners (talk) 19:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It's very strange, but if we live blogged  K e n  D o l l 's every inanity, it'd be "WIGO Ken". He's too legitimately crazy to pick on. Install a copy a Greasemonkey, grab the User:Sid/KenFilter and forget about it. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
No argument here, but it's nonsense like this that makes me wonder what it's like to be a good faith editor at CP. The whole site is nothing but stubs that haven't been edited in 2+ years and Ken's nonsense. If I saw behavior like that at any Wiki, they'd never see me again. Colonel of Squirrels禁止不是法西斯 19:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Which neatly explains why CP has practically no longterm editors aside from admins and parodists. --Sid (talk) 19:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
It appears to be just more bait to get you to click on a talk page which then redirects to one of his pet articles. Is there a way to list recent changes whilst filtering out one contributer entirely?

I also have wondered what it's like to be a good-faith editor at CP, between jerk-off spit-in-your-face admins who demand obedience to bizarre unfunny humor to a website that is far less concerned with being an encyclopedia than shaping reality to their liking. But isn't this why ASK was started? --Leotardo (talk) 19:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much. ASK is a good example...when you have good faith Christian conservative editors on CP, they...leave. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
You're kidding right? ASK doesn't assume good-faith editing in anyone. If your views conflict with CMI, or the Bible, you're just outright wrong, and your changes are reverted. Meanwhile the Biblical literalists are allowed to plaster any literal shit that they want onto the pages that they want... And then PJR is just going to argue every god damn nitpicky point against you, and .... breathe, Eira... breathe... you do not want to destroy another harddrive by smashing your computer again. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 23:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Facebook and CP

"Facebook users 'are insecure, narcissistic and have low self-esteem.'" Conservapedia users are the opposite.img

Extra funny since I remember (without actually checking Facebook for more)... let's see... TerryH, Jpatt, Ed Poor, Phyllis jr. and Geo.plrd having Facebook accounts. --Sid (talk) 20:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Upon checking Facebook even a little bit, I also see a certain "Brian Macdonald" from "Murfreesboro, Tennessee" (Hmmm...) and a "Richard Jensen", both of which just happen to be friends of Terry Hurlbut. Not going to give links because of the old anti-stalker rule, but let's just say that all of this was found by link-hopping, using a CP page as the starting point. --Sid (talk) 20:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I never actually gave much faith into the Daily Mail but glad to know that CP considers it as world class. Quazywabbit (talk) 20:56, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Don't forget Andy Jr. and the golden boy AddisonDM. Occasionaluse (talk) 21:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I love what happens when you paint mental diarrhea with a broad brush. Nutty Rouxnever mind 21:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention on FB you can find a picture of John Patti taking his photo in the mirror with an iPhone. If that's not the textbook definition of narcissism... Junggai (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It's hard to see the benefit of this bit because really, so many people are on Facebook that it renders the study meaningless (I'm sure they have some metric like "hours of use" but I'm not going to read a dumb article). With the simplistic line they use they have just insulted a huge portion of CP's visitors and potential contributors. Not that a punch in the face doesn't await them if they register, so perhaps it's more efficient to greet them with one? --Leotardo (talk) 23:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

They took 100 people, gave them a psychological test followed by a survey on their Facebook use. In a nutshell, people who spent a lot of time on Facebook scored higher on the narcissism index. A more honest headline would be "Heavy Facebook users are more likely to be insecure, narcissistic and have low self-esteem," but I suppose that's not as punchy. Colonel of Squirrels禁止不是法西斯 23:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Science! It's a population study and so you can't even talk about "more likely to be". That would imply that if we intervened (made people use Facebook) it would change their personality, and this study can't predict that. People who eat a few vitamin pills are healthier than those who don't, but if we make people eat vitamin pills they don't get healthier, see? (Interestingly if we make them eat vegetables they do, but not much). Anyway, the study also uses surveys and self-reporting is unreliable in lots of interesting ways. It may be that narcissists tend to REPORT using Facebook a lot more than they really do. Science is hard, let's blame Obama. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 15:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Terry Koeckritz gchat???

Has anyone seen TK on gchat lately? I can't figure out if he's been avoiding it because of the rough patch CP has hit or if he blocked me. Terry, I miss you!!! Talk to me! Occasionaluse (talk) 20:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

He hates you now. You're missing some gems from the Sooper Special Discussion Group. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Jeeves, more nao. Nutty Rouxnever mind 00:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Violations of ... something

Roger Schlafly namechecked on LessWrong. Two great tastes that ... - David Gerard (talk) 23:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

With a link to RW, no less. Tetronian you're clueless 02:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

There might be hope for Ed yet…

Just came across this.img It's almost completely rational, bizarrely enough. Blue Talk 03:08, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
And its complete. Se7enEight 03:18, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I like it mainly because of that final paragraph, which pretty much sums up my opinion of the whole thing. Blue Talk 03:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Crumbs. Some respect, please, for Ed for making a rational case for standing up to the crazy maniac fringe. Good on you. The Real James Brown (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. If I read it right, is Ed saying he lives in a Moonie "church"? --Kels (talk) 00:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

my God ! who is he and whats he done with Ed ? Hamster (talk) 00:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Has Professor Assfly forgotten about his record-breaking class?

It's almost Friday, September 10th, and still no progress on lecture 2.img And does anyone else find it ironic that he lets his students refer to him as "Professor"img given the stink he gives about Obama having been a senior lecturer and not a tenure-track professor? Sounds like classic liberal deceit to me...Cobalt Eel (talk) 03:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

And there was the stink about Professor Richard Dawkins not being a real professor. RagTopGone sailing 12:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Nice catch. Prof. Schlafly apparently isn't getting his homework done. I guess I wasted $250! ħumanUser talk:Human 04:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

"(suggested questions are welcome) " Nice job, Professor! RascalJack (talk) 04:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Andy is clearly experimenting with his new take on education, "Best of the Public" Schooling. Not to be confusing with Best of the Public Schooling (there aren't any (public schools are all crap (it's liberals' fault (liberals)))). ONE / TALK 09:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Isn't this exactly what happened with the writing course? D'ya think these homskoll courses still exist, or are they now a total figment of his imagination now? I'm starting to wonder if he doesn't give the first lecture free, then no one signs up to actually pay for the class once they realise what it is. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 10:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Maybe he's double checking his grammar and spelling. Isn't "politics is" a grammar mistake? Shouldn't it be "politics are" when plural? He keeps saying "politics is" and it's driving me nuts! --BradT (talk) 13:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
"Politics" functions as both a singular and plural noun. Both forms are acceptable. ONE / TALK 14:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Public masturbation

I gotta say I'm quite amused that Ken and TK are having their little masturbation session on Karajou's talk page. I wonder what triggered this, though... I mean, Ken just needed an excuse to spam his links on yet another page on CP, but I'm a bit puzzled by TK popping up there. Maybe he's all hissy again because I started off the Facebook section here, mentioning real names such as Terry Hurlbut or Brian Macdonald? I do remember him raising all Hell when I dared to mention "Terry Koeckritz" (quoted from the same LA Times article he loves to cite) on Wikipedia, complete with requests for banning and oversight...

Oh well, I don't mind. It's not my account that gets the "YOU HAVE A NEW MESSAGE ON YOUR TALK PAGE!" box every time one of those attention whores orgasms. Please, gentlemen, keep talking! :) --Sid (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Best of all, I can see Karajerk staring at his talkpage, with his head in his hands, muttering "Why me?" Terry must be bored, otherwise he would be doing what all the other sysops do to Ken's rambling TZB posts - ignore it. I need to find that TZB (or is it SDG) where they debate whether Ken is KDBuffalo and how they aren't going to put up with his trolling CP. --PsyGremlinSiarad! 17:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I think poor  K e n  D o l l  is upset, he after all depends on folks from this website for his oh so all important webtraffic stats in regards to his "essays" because no one else reads them. Now that is threatened and no one may look upon his "hard work" and what will Ken have then I ask! What will he possibly have then!? --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 18:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Psy, check the SDG files: "User:Conservative again" (Level_1/bc71204...) is the main thread where people piece together the bulk of it. It's also where it becomes obvious that Ken pulled his International Man of Mystery act even on the other sysops. There are other Ken-related discussions, but this is where they sat together for the first time and seriously asked "...who IS 'Conservative'?" --Sid (talk) 18:53, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Ken says, "Certain people monitor the edits at CP FAR more than I do and I find their obsession quite amusing." Quite honestly, Ken barely monitors Conservapedia, if at all; the only thing he does is focus on his personal pages, and nothing more. Just as an example, when I think of reverting vandalism, Ken is certainly not the one who comes to mind - in the midst of a vandal attack, one can see TK, Andy, Karajou, Jpatt, etc. reverting vandalism and blocking, but as that is going on, Ken is adding more pictures of kitties and clowns in addition to deleting and recreating everything, totally unaware or just not caring of whatever is going on elsewhere. ~SuperHamster Talk 01:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Exactly. His content is just awful, and he goes off on bizarre tangents like the kitties, clowns, etc. He repeats phrases like "screechy monkeys" and spams other weirdos like shockofgod all over the site, because you know he shops his CP cred when he contacts him to say, 'Great video'. He's a terrible writer who repeats the same phrases, sometimes thrice in a sentence. His essays are random photos that often contradict the captions he writes. He's a public embarrassment who seems unpleasant even when interacting with his comrades. CP is logging around 100 edits a day, often Ken-Doll Crap and tangents like ConservaMath Medals. They'll never pick up new contributors when people realize it's such a nuthouse. I'm so glad we have image capture bot. --Leotardo (talk) 04:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I see Ken has turned his wildly spinning eyes on Carl Saganimg now. Needless to say, it reads about as well as shitting barbed wire feels good. Not to mention the layout, which looks like it was done by a 3-year-old, not a wiki admin with 4 years' experience. Oh wait, we're talking Ken here, so it was done by a 3-year-old. --PsyGremlinPrata! 05:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear Gawd, it appears that Ken spent the better part of Friday taking a tremendous shit all over the CP Carl Sagan page, turning a mediocre article into his abhorrent, poorly assembled, personal screed against atheists. I do find it rather humorous that considering the possibility or potential for alien life is somehow a "liberal trait". --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 12:53, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
You forget, the Bibbel doesn't mention ET, ergo ET can't exist. And you say he does, then you also eat babies, want no guns and censor classroom prayer. --PsyGremlinParla! 13:33, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
An update on the whole Ken & Terry wanking off on Karajou's talk page thing: Conservative just deleted the whole conversationimg. I think we may have another RW reader on CP! Colonel of Squirrels禁止不是法西斯 15:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 K e n  D o l l  has been checking RW for years, just look at his RationalWiki account! --Oniontalk/edits 15:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
If they could do it without it being apparent, I wonder how many of CP's "sysops" would copy Sid's little script? 15:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Pastor Jones

Has CP commented on the story yet? Ajkgordon (talk) 19:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

No, and I don't think they will. They're not crazy enough to support it, and they can't possibly come out against it because that would mean agreeing with Obama. Röstigraben (talk) 19:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
They could justify "agreeing with Obama" by using the "clock" reasoning ("even a broken clock is right twice a day"). You should brush up on your Schlafly playbook. --Composure1 (talk) 20:20, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Scenario 1: Andy applauds the guy. This would be based on his "Good Christian fighting the good fight! Muslims are bad! Just look at Obama!" stance, of course, Unfortunately, even he sees the looming question at the horizon: What if Muslims started burning Bibles? He won't endorse burning religious items since it's such an obviously retarded move when you're being protective of your own religion.
Scenario 2: Andy says that the guy is a moron. This would be based on the whole "Dude, WTH, you don't fucking burn holy books! What's next? Peeing against a Mosque? Taking a shit in a graveyard?" angle or the "Okay, this guy is really hurting our cause, and we should distance ourselves from him." one. This has the downside of admitting that a Christian fucked up - and Christians and conservatives can do no wrong by definition in Andyland. He'd have to cast him as an atheist or liberal (or at least RINO) first, and I doubt he will find a good starting point for that right away. Oh, and yeah, he'd end up agreeing with Obama.
Scenario 3: Pretend that this never happened. No downside, and anybody who asks about it will be directed to the generic "Our news section is different!" excuse.
Guess what he chooses. --Sid (talk) 01:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Scenario 4: Try to find some piece of evidence he's a Democrat, as they do with Fred Phelps. MDB (talk) 03:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

"Limiting energy production is anti-life"

Thisimg conversation is sad and hilarious on multiple levels, showing how even a noble and (according to them) Christian/conservative thing (donating to charity and encouraging others to help) can be utterly stonewalled by Andy over something minor.

But... what is it with his "limiting energy" business?

Though hey, kudos to him for finding the missing link between global warming and abortions. --Sid (talk) 00:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

To steal a joke from Roy Edroso, this is the stupidest thing Andy's ever written, and will remain so until he writes something else. --Kels (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
It's weird that Andy made the vague reference to "limiting energy" before he says he researched and learned of their "liberal position". Was he somehow trying to bait Jeff? Bluefish (talk) 02:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
That was one of his insights from a few months ago: "There's a correlation between energy use and the average lifespan, so reducing energy consumption will shorten our lives!" Röstigraben (talk) 05:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The site is growing rapidly!

Ok, ok, so I'm tired and hung over, but looking at 50 most recent changes (as at some ungodly time in the am), we get:
3 new users
1 immediately blocked by TK
2 /16 range blocks by TK
1 file uploaded
1 file protected
1 post by a parodist (JacobB)
1 mainpage post by Andy
4 mainpage posts by TK
1 mainpage post by Jpatt
2 welcome msgs by TK
1 file comment by TK
32 various inane posts by Ken

Way to run an encyclopaedia a blog, gentlemen. --PsyGremlinParla! 09:52, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I laughed at "32 various inane posts by Ken". That man brings joy. He's on yet another editing spree. Senator Harrison (talk) 14:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, he was. I don't think there is going to be much editing this morning. --Oniontalk/edits 14:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
To follow up on this, I decided to see how many substantive (i.e. mainspace) edits were being made over there. There were 50 mainspace edits between Sept. 10, 4:11 AM and Sept. 11, 10:47 AM (when I checked). That's fifty edits in 30 hours, less than two per hour. What's more, 43 of those edits were by Conservative.
At this point, CP is a zombie. It may be walking around, but that doesn't mean it's not dead. Colonel of Squirrels禁止不是法西斯 15:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
As much as I want to see Conservapedia shrivel up and die, you realistically can't expect much productivity on a website dominated by USAmericans when the date is at or near 11 September. --Oniontalk/edits 15:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I guess Conservative's edits should be discarded when considering activity. Could someone make a graph of edits per day (without Conservative) over time? — Pietrow 15:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Ken Demyer - the early daze

Based on comments above, I've been having a look through the SDG stuff that Terry Koeckritz leaked and there are some wonderful comments made by the sysops of that time. Remember, Ken was excluded from the SDG, unlike TZB, where they all ignore him. One wonders what CP would be like today, if Andy actually had an ounce of managerial skill and took Ken in hand? (Ok, that's a mental image that will now require brain bleach.) Certainly, there'd be no the transitional animal the flying kitty and just maybe articles on Atheism et al that were readable, if nothing else.

  • From Level_1/dce9269700651396.html - Good reversion on TK's part

Background - it would appear as if sometime around Oct 2007, Krazy Kenny was adding info that Fox News - probably then the main source of CP's borked news - was all part of some homosexual conspiracy. Needless to say, sysop eyebrows were raised and TK stepped in and reverted.

DanH: ...because we often rely it on it as a news source, a claim such as Conservative's that FOX News is part of a vast homosexual conspiracy definitely would undermine the rest of our research.

TK: He is a raving lunatic, Conservative is.

DanH: I know I'm complaining about him too much, but I find it hard to be a sysop on a site where one of the leading sysops is claiming that FOX News is a homosexual conspiracy. I just don't know how much more of this I can take.

As we all know, the final straw for Dan was Andy insisting that Obama was a Muslim.

Karajou: Sorry about saying this, Andy, but Conservative is going to have to be dealt with. I'm saying this for the sake of Conservapedia. He's got to come around to where he's a benefit for the site, and not a problem, or he has to be removed.

One of the few Karajou statements I can agree with. Too bad Andy ignored him.

RobS: Conservative represents a parochial, narrow focus agenda, we should be able to deal with that.

Well, 3 years later Rob, not only have you not dealt with it, it's turned CP into a laughing stock. Ok, an even bigger laughing stock.

DanH: The problem is that his "agenda" conflicts with ours to the point that it undermines us.

And where was Andy when all this was going on? Hiding his head in the sand, like he usually does when it comes to conflict resolution.

  • From Level_1/bc71204f541c6e18.html - User:Conservative again

Where we first meet the International Man of Mystery (Sep 2007)

Karajou: Did Conservative ever at any time tell us where he's from? Did he ever make postings of any kind outside of Conservapedia or CreationWiki? Does anyone here know his real name?

I'm saying this because I'm still not convinced as to his honesty with regards to CP. Yes, I agree he has made an awful lot of contributions to the site, but even Hitler has done good things as well. </blockquote>

Karajou: ...there are two additional accusations here, one of which is just plain bad.<p>

The first, and bad one, is that Conservative is the troll known as KDBuffalo. That has to be proven, and a simple way of doing so is to get the known IPs from KDBuffalo and matching that to Conservative. Only an exact match will do.<p>

The second accusation, and possibly safe, is that Conservative is the individual named Ken DeMyer from Buffalo, New York, and the same Ken DeMyer who made those off-site columns in support of creation, but were marked with a lot of cut-and-paste quotations. If this is the case, we're dealing with a 45 year-old man instead of the 20 year-old we may have believed that Conservative is. <p> Now if Conservative is truly on our side, and we all hope and pray he is, he needs a talking to.

Hello? Andy?

TK: I don't like his cutting off all contributions to them, as if this were a Bible Wiki, with just one POV. It is understandable because that is what he is used to, and to be brutally frank, CP needs workers like him creating content, even if controversial in nature, to draw people to it!

Karajou: It is possible that providing a comfortable working environment here we can keep Conservative from becoming someone like KDBuffalo.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Fail on so many levels there, Karajou!

And once again, not a single word from Brother Leader. See Andy, it's just a short step from bullshit SEO results to 125 flying kitty pictures. If only you'd slapped Ken around a little bit, you know, like you did to PJR. --PsyGremlinPrata! 15:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)