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Ah, ok, forget all this. I fell for it like an April's Fool... An ashamed [[User:Editor at CP|Editor at CP]] 14:34, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Ah, ok, forget all this. I fell for it like an April's Fool... An ashamed [[User:Editor at CP|Editor at CP]] 14:34, 11 December 2007 (EST)
== How is this hanging in there? ==

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Freudian slip

...I don't see it. Maybe you meant one of the mother diffs? Lurker 20:34, 9 December 2007 (EST)

I think the reference is to "crucifiction". Pretty damn funny, really. We should have an article on it. Heck, I even red blue-linked it to make it easy! humanUser talk:Human 20:53, 9 December 2007 (EST)
HA HA HA I completely missed that. HI-larious. Lurker 20:59, 9 December 2007 (EST)
I missed it the first time, too. Found it when trying to answer your question. Awesome neologism. humanUser talk:Human 21:02, 9 December 2007 (EST)

CP editors fall for parody?

I noticed SSchultz made the following comments about atheists up in arms over a trailer for the Prince Caspian Narnia film: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=349600&oldid=349598 I followed the link and immediately thought "parody", as you probably will too. IMO, it's a satirical reversal of the current controversy over The Golden Compass (I mean, the atheist they quote comes from an organisation whose acronym is DAMNED). I quickly Googled one of the groups mentioned and it doesn't exist, showing up only another article quoting the first one and adding in their own joke acronyms. The story isn't mentioned in the "mainstream media" outlets at all (hmm, librul biazz?)

I may be stating the obvious, but it looks like CP's finest minds have fallen for a blatant parody.

You beat me to it. That link definitely is parody. A genuine question: are SSchultz and Iduan both 'real' CPedians, or is either a RW or not-RW troll? Editor at CP 14:25, 10 December 2007 (EST)
I think we know the answer to that ;) DickTurpis 14:29, 10 December 2007 (EST)
We do? :-O When Schultz burst forth originally on the Main Page talk, I actually labeled him a parodist. Iduan isn't a conservative by any stretch of the imagination, but is someone who likes to "do things" and gets little chance to on Wikipedia, what with the competition there, so has turned to CP. I never viewed Issac as a threat, but I doubt Andy sees it that way, as Iduan's earliest posts betray him as far too liberal for Andy's likes. Like poor Greg Larson, who never did anything "wrong" on CP, look for Iduan to be dis-invited at some point soon. --TK/MyTalk 14:36, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah, TK, but you're not a conservapedian now ;) ... -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!

I thought there was something suspicious about that link, but I didn't really care to check it out. The part that got me was when they went into a description of the movie (though they called the book series a trilogy, then later talked about the 7th book in the series...). I didn't think a parody would be good enough to make itself sound like a real article.
As for Schultz, it's painfully obvious, and has been since he first started editing, that he's a hughe parodist. I don't think Iduan is, though he might (big might) be a troll. Lurker 14:35, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Sorry all for the question, no harm intended, and good luck to both trolls editors. Editor at CP 14:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
"A genuine question: are SSchultz and Iduan both 'real' CPedians, or is either a RW or not-RW troll?" Are those the only possibilities? Surely it is possible, if not probable, that people who do not even know about RW get accounts at CP from time to time? Oh, and "Hi, TK". humanUser talk:Human 14:50, 10 December 2007 (EST)
I gave three options: 'real' CPedians (= no trolls), RW trolls, or trolls not from RW... Editor at CP 15:10, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Well, duh, I stand corrected. Sorry! humanUser talk:Human 15:37, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Hi, Hugh! It is quite possible that Schultz didn't come from RW. Somehow I believe Iduan saying he found CP through WP, and his rationale for wanting to help there. I think he will be another soul unappreciated and left to languish ignored by Andy, or eventually blocked as his anger increases because of that. Before I removed my head from my, errr, well, you know what I mean, I too thought it possible that Andy could be reasoned with, that he was actually who he wants to portray himself as being. Thing is, left or right, many people never want to be reasoned with. Spoils the "lulz", I guess. --TK/MyTalk 14:58, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Who is "Hugh"? humanUser talk:Human 15:37, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Isn't it obvious? He called him that because he's a hugh man! A huge man! A man among men! A...hmm...I'd better stop this before Conservative writes another dozen articles about it. --Kels 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Hugh was the Borg who the crew of the Enterprise nursed back to health in a great Next Generation episode. I don't get the invocation by TK of that auspicious automaton, though.-αmεσ (spy) 15:39, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Sorry, Human...I meant to type Human! Ames, sometimes a cigar is just that. Maybe in your constant, never ending emails to get back into CP, you should step it up, so you can do some real, god-fearing blocking there? --TK/MyTalk 15:46, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Throwing in my two cents about the original question, I would assume the site is a parody... The name is ComicNexus and even though they do a pretty decent job describing the books, they make a Glaring mistake.... Prince Caspian is not the second book in the series... It's number 3 in the original printing and 4 in the revised (the original 7 gets moved to 1 in reprints, putting the whole story in chronilogical order...Isn't it nice being a lit geek?)
Prince Caspian WAS the second book in the original publication order, but later moved to fourth when the 6th book was moved to first and the 5th book moved to 3rd (with the original first in between them.) I read the first 4 in the original order when I was a kid, but I went ahead and got documentation as well. Narnia ordering systems. Researcher 00:28, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Hmm, am I a troll? Well, I think I can field that one. I do disagree with a bit of what is done on CP - primarily in the breaking news section. I think that using tragedies to prove that your politics are better than someone else's is completely heartless - the type of cold and calculating thing Hillary Clinton would do (sorry, had to throw that in there). However, I also believe there is hope through discussion and compromise - and obviously I also agree with most of what Conservapedia has done - as proven by my contributions towards it.--Iduan 23:44, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Now i know you are a troll. TimoT 00:17, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Lol - well you're an RW member- i don't think I can expect you to think logically about anything ...so don't worry about it lol--Iduan 00:18, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Back to the original question, I would have thought the fact that one of the organisations 'Mothers For United Church & King Eternal Ruling' gives the acronym 'Mother FUCKER' is probably a reasonably good sign the site is a parody. That or Dominionists have more of a sense of humour than I've credited them with. 04:07, 11 December 2007 (EST)

One rule for public schools, another for homeskoolers?

If it's homeskoolin' the effects stop @ 18:

This story is a mixed bag: the killer is quoted as someone who "hated Christians" and held a grudge against this facility, which threw him out several years ago. At age 24, it's unclear what connection he has to homeschooling, as very few homeschoolers are over 18.--Aschlafly 19:11, 10 December 2007 (EST)

(re colorado springs shooter) Susanpurrrrr ... 19:23, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Andy's a fucking intellectually dishonest tool, but we already knew that, didn't we? humanUser talk:Human 20:59, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Jeez, look how he's twisting and turning to get the focus away from homeschooling. When a guy EVER attended a public school, Andy declares it as the obvious root, no matter how unconnected, and here, schooling background has nothing to do with it, nuh-uh, no sir! --Sid 21:26, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Connected side note: Somebody please invite RossC, if possible. At this rate, he's gonna get The Hammer in a few... --Sid 21:29, 10 December 2007 (EST)
The schadenfreud (sp?) is ripping the moral fabric of my being. This horror is so sad (the shooting) and yet, so sadly, answers the question assfly has begged recently with his young mass killer fetish. I do not want to feel good about that. Is there any way we can drop it? humanUser talk:Human 21:31, 10 December 2007 (EST)
This from a FoxNews article on the shooting--Maybe Andy could take a lesson: "Some members of the congregation reacted with compassion and forgiveness, in keeping with their faith. Ashley Gibbs was getting into a car with David Harris when they heard the gunshots. They stayed in the vehicle. 'It was obvious that (the shooter) was in some sort of pain and going through a lot...I just prayed God would bring him peace.'"--WJThomas 22:22, 10 December 2007 (EST)
It's "Schadenfreude", but I agree. Heck, one of my friends is in Colorado, so shootings there make me go "WTF" a bit more than other shootings did. It does feel wrong to feel glee about this, even if Andy is forced to dodge more questions than ever because of it. But your wish came true: Andy just sent out his first 90/10 warning and a ban threat, so it's possible that this issue will be swept under the carpet on CP (and thus will tucker out on WIGO, too). --Sid 21:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Also look for the rearguard actions by Kookajou and RobS and possibly Edna Poor to commence shortly.21:55, 10 December 2007 (EST) CЯacke®
Taking his statement in it's limited context there, Andy is correct that homeschooling was not necessarily the cause of this person's murderous tendencies. Given his past statements on similar incidents, you COULD (if you were VERY generous) give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's changed his mind and schooling is not a singular cause for violent tendencies. Knowing Andy, he'll blow that chance sure enough. He's never backed down before, why now? As much as anyone's itching to use this shooting as a political plot against Andy, I say it's better to stay quiet and let him hang himself. -- 00:37, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Remember when Andy's first reaction to the Virginia Tech shootings was to blame it all on porn? --Gulik 02:23, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Matthew Murray left behind an online diatribe, copying the Columbine High shooters and only changing wording against Christians, who he felt were the problem of the world [1]. Andy can play dodgeball all day against the homeschool and deeply religious bit, but this gives him ground to blame the intarwebs and liberal-injected media. I'm 98% sure he'll try to hold to the ideal of public school = mass murder influencing and homeskool = never to blame, but he'll slowly ebb to the internet/media as new causes. NorsemanWassail! 12:38, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Andy, mercury, and chemistry

I'm not a chemist... though I've read enough MSDS for darkroom chemicals to know enough when to be afraid (and to read the MSDS first). There's a couple fun ones that show up in the darkroom. Selenium, for example is a toner. If you spill it, you get out of there immediately, strip naked, take a shower, and destroy the clothes... not sure about the order. But its nasty stuff in the form it is in for darkroom work. And yet you find it in multi vitamins as a trace element.

Another one is potassium ferrocyanide (used in the coloration of Prussian blue, part of what they give you if you happen to eat some thallium or cesium [2]). That last bit threw me too... so I looked up the MSDS and read it. "Health Rating: 1 - Slight" and "Large doses may cause gastrointestinal upset with nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and possible cramping." This didn't sound like the cyanide I knew from news stories. So, I looked at it more and asked a chemist I knew. The structure of potassium ferrocyanide is K4(Fe(CN))6(H2O)3. As I understand it, the potassium forms a barrier around the cyanide making it into something non toxic. Go read the chemical form of vitamin B12 some time.

The point I am trying to make here is something that is toxic in one form can be locked away from the body in another form. Its just a question of if the body can brake it down into the toxic thing or not. There is a significant difference between elemental mercury, inorganic, and organic mercury compounds. One must be sure not to confuse even different forms - ethyl mercury, methyl mercury, and dimethyl mercury.

I will point out that I have not looked deeply into the effects of mercury on the body (I am neither trained as a chemist nor as a physician) and I know its not something I'd want to take a bite out of... but there is a significant amount of things that I wouldn't want to take a bite out of either. If Andy would be so kind as to show his degree in biochemistry rather than his ability to regurgitate material, I might take his arguments a more serious look than what I have already done. --Shagie 20:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)

By the same token, harmless, vital elements like H, C, N, and O can be fatal when compounded the wrong way. Just had to add this silliness to your great point. humanUser talk:Human 20:58, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Let's see... I'm going to take a highly flammable poisonous metal, combine it with a corrosive toxic gas, and SPRINKLE THE RESULTING COMPOUND ON MY FOOD!!!!! BWAHAHAHAH!!!~!!!1!!!one!  :D --Gulik 22:20, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Or take two highly flammable gases and DRINK THE PRODUCT every day. --Ζωροάστρης 01:21, 11 December 2007 (EST)

<-- Mercury compounds? Small fish. I think Andy's missing the real problem of dihydrogen monoxide. It's a widely used solvent, its inhalation kills thousands yearly, and 100% of young mass murderers have used it. Yet liberal dihydrogen monoxide-pushers advocate its presence in schools, and provide easy access to it. In fact, many food products (not to mention vaccines) incorporate it. If you think you can censor the truth about dihydrogen monoxide from parents, you're at the wrong place. Find out more here.--Bayesupdate 01:45, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Dihydrogen monoxide, eh? Let me see if I can remember...that's one oxygen...and two hydrogen...add them together...carry the one...Sweet Jesus its water! Run for the hills! ---BillOhannity 12:43, 11 December 2007 (EST)

I think that we're all missing the main point; a planetary body is awfully hard to pass through a needle, let alone go through the bloodstream. --Edgerunner76 14:17, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Andy's amazing logic skills

It seems that the shooter from Colorado was homeschooled and raised in a deeply religious home. He went and shot several people in a church. Thankfully, one of the people at the church was a deeply religious gunowner- if it weren't for his deep religious upbringing and his gun, this tragedy may ha- *head explodes from logical paradox* Shangrala 21:13, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Someone who attended public school at any point in their life and then commits a horrible crime picked up their negative values/beliefs from public school. Someone who is homeschooled and commits a horrible crime picks up their negative values/beliefs from...you guessed it! Somewhere OTHER than homeschooling! And what's worse, he turns it into a story about why we shouldn't have gun control! I think that this is what angers me more than anything about CP, and in particular Schlafly. Well, this and the fact that he's willing to try and exploit this type of tragedy in the first place in order to make a cheap (and false) political point. This guy is truly a sick and twisted person. I wonder how he would feel if one of his own family members was hurt or killed in a similar incident and someone else tried to cheapen it and turn into a political statement. --BillOhannity 21:36, 10 December 2007 (EST)
I'm afraid that he'd be the first to do so. -- 01:54, 11 December 2007 (EST)
I wuz gonna say just what 88~ said. humanUser talk:Human 14:06, 11 December 2007 (EST)


Um. The rule is that you can't be 90% talk and 10% editing... and the guy's 100% talk. So what's all the anger about? Lurker 01:43, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Erm, it's more about the fact that the rule is used repeatedly by sysops as "you've been doing about 50/50, so we can ban you", which isn't actually breaking the rule. It also ires me that if the very first few edits are talk, they think that this rule can legitimately apply. --Ζωροάστρης 01:49, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Weak. I know you are still pouting about being desysopped, but you can try harder than that, can't you? If you want to complain about the unwritten 50/50 rule, then find an example of that, and say it's an example of that. Instead, you found one of the most civil cases of 90/10 warning ever and then lie and say that Dan doesn't know the rule. And then you get all pissy and make it in all caps. At least you can admit that what you wrote and what you wished you could have written had nothing in common. I'll remove the entry now. Lurker 02:46, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Give it a red arrow and talk about it here before deleting an entry. On a side note, I hadn't had my morning coffee yet and I understood it that DanH was blocking... PJR! THAT would have been an interesting turn of events, wouldn't it? Editor at CP 02:53, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Fine, red arrowed, but Hoji himself said it doesn't belong. That's not really what the arrows are for, though. Lurker 03:07, 11 December 2007 (EST)
I know, but red arrowing lets you express your opinion as well. Let Hoji delete it if he deems it appropriate, isn't it fairer? This is not Conservapedia Wikipedia. Editor at CP 03:45, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Well, Hoji already said himself that what he wrote isn't what he wanted to write, but in general letting the adder decide appropriateness is bad policy (mobocracy and all). When Hoji's done pouting he can take it down, but why wait? Lurker 12:51, 11 December 2007 (EST)
How about we play "every time Lurker posts Cracker comes along with a snide rebuttal, for no reason at all except to show what a prig User:L is being." But why wait? I'll just block and delete you now. CЯacke® 13:20, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Do it. You've already got the first part down anyway; in for a penny in for a pound. Lurker 13:26, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Stop Aborting our Heisman Winners!

Umm yeah...I don't really know what to say about this, so I'm just going to copy and paste the whole headline:

The mother's physician recommended an abortion. A Christian missionary, the mother refused the abortion. Last weekend the child, Tim Tebow, became the first sophomore ever to win the Heisman Trophy as the top college football player in the U.S.

--BillOhannity 12:02, 11 December 2007 (EST)

I wonder what would happen if Andy found out that a mass murderer's mother narrowly decided against an abortion.Shangrala 12:26, 11 December 2007 (EST)
If only Mr. and Mrs. Hitler had had better access to birth control... --Gulik 12:50, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Pffft, with all those evil abortions every year, statistically speaking we've probably aborted two or three Hitlers and half a dozen Mao Zedongs by now. Another triumph for the liberal medical establishment! --JeɚvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 13:12, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Either way, wouldn't someone else have won if Tim Tebow didn't exist? --Edgerunner76 14:21, 11 December 2007 (EST)

NO! It's like all those Nobel prizes that weren't awarded because the planned winners were aborted. It's all part of God's plan. --JeɚvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 14:27, 11 December 2007 (EST)
One curious thing is that an arguement can be made that winning the Heisman is a great way to abort an otherwise promising future NFL career. --Edgerunner76 14:37, 11 December 2007 (EST)

ZOMG!111one"£two Conservapedia causes teh spree killing!

With flawless Schalafly logic, allow me to present a proof that Conservapedia caused the Colorado spree killing. We already have an axiom that the interweb caused the shooting, since everything from assfly is the revealed word. We also know that all things that coincide with the increase in popularity of Conservapedia are caused by the rise in popularity of Conservapedia, again from the word of assfly on wikipedia. Therefore, Conservapedia caused the killings. QED. I know full well that reading Conservapedia makes me intensely angry at Christians.... --JeɚvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 13:02, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Dialogue - what's in it for Schlafly?

It's Andrew Schlafly's blog for christ's sake: why should he allow any contrary opinions. It's quite possible that he'll just let it fill up for another year and then remove everything and everyone he disagrees with and only allows his home schoolers on. He can just vape all the talk pages, debate pages & sysops and hey presto - nice right wing, creationist, christian encyclopædia. That's what I'd do in his place. Susanpurrrrr ... 13:10, 11 December 2007 (EST)

His problem is that he also wants it to be this big, popular conservative project that can grow rapidly until it challenges the evil liberal Wikipedia. He has to realize that he can't do that with just a couple dozen homeschoolers. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 13:35, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Doesn't answer the question - why should he allow any dissent - it's his own property Whatever his ultimate aim.
If I wanted to start a wiki detailing the virtues of (eating toenail clippings)* then I wouldn't allow anything disagreeing with it. Susanpurrrrr ... 13:54, 11 December 2007 (EST) *(sorry couldn't think of anything as ridiculous as CP without being silly
He's made reference a few times to the future possibility of "publishing" content (outside of CP, presumably). Perhaps he plans to turn it into a book someday, or some other money-making venture.--WJThomas 13:56, 11 December 2007 (EST)


Brother Roger came and what is he doing? (no links sorry, I'm heading back there and see what happens) Editor at CP 14:31, 11 December 2007 (EST) Well, first link: [3] Editor at CP 14:33, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Ah, ok, forget all this. I fell for it like an April's Fool... An ashamed Editor at CP 14:34, 11 December 2007 (EST)

How is this hanging in there?