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Cdesign Proponentsists

If the proposed merge with Kitzmiller v. Dover on CP goes through, anyone care to lay odds on how long it'll be before any mention of "Cdesign Proponentsists" is removed from the merged article for being extraneous or off-topic?

I was thinking of searching for "cdesign" to see if it declines or gets mentioned (if they have an article on "cdesign proponentsists", I would love to see them wiggle out of it...), but it seems to be going iffy... again. EDIT, oooh, they do have one, and it's fairly straight forward, apart from the weasel words, there's no wiggling or squirming. That's terrible... Armondikov 17:19, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
Aw, what a pity if it goes away. It was good enough that I pretty much copied it verbatim to our article. Probably removed some cp links, though. ħumanUser talk:Human 17:28, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
Check the article history. Jinxy apparently has been "improving" that article over the months... --Sid 17:30, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah...... they don't seem to be able to decide where and how to mention that the verdit neglected to use the term "cdesign proponetsists". My favourite diff is interesting, so was it an actual book or actual draft versions? I'm pretty sure they were previous versions that were published but its a good use of some weaselling, you have to be impressed with it. Ooh, and now it is merged with the Dover Trial. Surely this is the first step to them erradicating it, worth watching to see if it gets smaller and eventually goes poof. Armondikov 06:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Let's see them spin this deceit

Ted Stevens indicted. Those evil liberals brought false accusations!1~!~!`~forty-two!!3 NorsemanWassail! 18:32, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh! Oh! Another chance to deploy the George Galloway defence! I've never seen a barrel of oil! -- 21:55, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Mandatory Betting Pool

  • It will be ignored as long as possible. Once it's brought up, Andy will argue that he's not really conservative and that "oddly enough, none of the Liberals here complain about [Democrat who also did something bad]! Another example of Liberal Bias!" --Sid 18:51, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
  • Oh, wait. Only indicted (translation fail on my side, I confused it with convicted for a moment). Then yes, libel! False accusations! Shame! Shame! --Sid 18:53, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
  • They will use the partially unwritten rules (it usually appears in the edit summary when they are removing it) that politicians are exempt, except Democrats. \approx\pi 21:50, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
  • Sid's bet - "ignore 'til you can't, then claim he's no true Scotsman" - is the right answer, I'll bet.-caius (ninja) 23:31, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
Ditto - this will go the way of Larry Craig and Vito Fossella. --SpinyNorman 10:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)


"(Block log); 20:07 . . Karajou (Talk | contribs) (blocked User:PeterQ with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Sock of blocked user: sock of JJacob, AceMcWicked)" Why dont you join us Karajou? Instead of just lurking? Ace McWickedInteresting 20:21, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Doubtless, he lacks the courage to do so. All he has is mere puffery, worth little more than smoke. --Kels 20:56, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
ZING. That was a good line, Kels :-)-caius (ninja) 23:31, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

How strange...

Conservapedia is down. --JayJay4ever??? 21:51, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Boycott time! 23:27, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Schlafly and McCain

Has anybody else noticed that Andy is starting to sound a little like McCain? Ask McCain about the war in Afghanistan and he'll tell you that he supported the surge in Iraq and Obama didn't and he was right. Ask Schlafly about anything, and he'll tell you its a great liberal conspiracy [1]Chris111 23:26, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

More importantly: Schlafly and Eagle Forum

Isn't it odd that Schlafly IS reacting poorly to mentions of eagle forum? Trouble in paradise?-caius (ninja) 23:33, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't want to be seen as a Mommy's boy. SusanG  ContribsTalk 23:35, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
Its fair to ask as the Eagle Forum has a link to the conservapedia youtube propoganda video and Shlaf-asses courses are there to. I dont why he is so uppity...oh yeah, he is a wank, thats why. Ace McWickedInteresting 00:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"The conspiracy theories by liberals about conservatives are tiresome, and the liberal denials when confronted with the baseless errors are even worse. Wikipedia is filled with such junk, claiming that anyone the liberals disagree with is a creationist, a John Birch Society member, or some cultist. When the errors are removed, they reappear again and again, without apology by the people who make the errors."
Wow, talk about your non sequitur!!! That was a fucking classic piece of Andycandyland... what the hell was he "thinking" - or drinking? Was he reacting to tonight's Daily Show? (looking at the time stamp, I'm a gonna watch the first repeat, so I don't know) ħumanUser talk:Human 00:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Tell us Southern Hempisphere folk what happened on the daily show tonight?

Ace McWickedInteresting 00:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Um, I'll know in an hour or so? Full report forthcoming? As far as that assfly quote above, it must be enshrined. Please wipe off the froth before reading. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Sorry dude, I assumed you had seen it already. But we all know what happens when you make a call on something with out first considering all the facts. Now, another schlaflyism that needs preserving (in case of an eventual CP meltdown) is the whole Adultress Story talk page. Classic rabid Schlafly. Ace McWickedInteresting 00:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
No prob. Link on the adultress thing? And search RW, wasn't that a while ago? We may already have a CP:space article on it? (If not we should?) ħumanUser talk:Human 00:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

CP is down it seems to me buddy but here is the linky. Go to the talk page for Schlafly at his best. I think my favourite talk page this be...Ace McWickedInteresting 00:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

The bible has a liberal bias!!!!--Damo2353 01:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Not after Andy rewrites the canon. I think this might be addressed on our article on the little snifter. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Unless a parodist pens the "Gospel According to Conservapedia" and gets it out first... Armondikov 06:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)


I think Susan has it right. Andy doesn't have a problem with sites, including the Eagle Forum, linking to them and supporting CP indirectly. What really sets him off, though, is the impressiona that this site or his teaching job are directly supported by the Eagle Forum. Andy's life seems to parallel Dubya's in some important ways, most significantly in that he can't point to any real achievement of his own that's not influenced by his mother's accomplishments, standing and family wealth.

He could have been a self-made success based on his engineering skills before turning to the law, but apparently he didn't. If he tried marketing his courses based solely on their content and not his family name & connections, and avoided taking any reference or referral from the Eagle Forum or his mother's circle of influence, how successful would he have been? He'll never know because he never tried. While he lives in comfort in an affluent section of NJ, and enjoys the self-impression of being a person of influence in conservative circles, I'm certain that he knows deep down that this came from outside patronage and not from within, and it drives the anger in his responses like this.

There's nothing wrong with wanting the best for your children and working to give them a good start in life. One of my earliest disappointments with conservatism, though, was the hypocrisy of focusing on capitalism, opportunity and merit-based competitiveness, while at the same time fighting to preserve inherited wealth and build influence through nepotism. Apparently Dubya carried a lot of latent resentment towards his father based on redirected self-disappointment & anger, and I think Andy unloads similar feelings towards posters on CP when the right buttons are pushed. --SpinyNorman 11:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

The transformation of John McCain

I've banged on about this before, but seeing John McCain elevated to article of the week reminded me of the original version and subsequent initial edits, written by one Andrew L Schlafly in January and February last year.--Matt 08:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Curious quote "On gambling, the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law allows Indian nations (which get nearly all their money from unregulated casinos) to make unlimited political donations, even though political donations by American citizens are strictly limited and political spending by corporations is prohibited." Does this mean Andy thinks Indians aren't american citizens? --Waiting for Godot 11:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Need A Cite?

Schlafly asks for a cite for remarks about how this policy allowed other religious websites and that it would be overturned. It's too bad I was blocked before having a chance to respond by telling him to READ THE FRIGGIN ARTICLE! It's like the third paragraph in that says exactly what I had said! I gotta believe he doesn't even read the articles that are "suggested" before posting them. --Jdellaro 10:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi, Fox! Oh, and thank god CP differs from WP--"We do not ban users based on their comments elsewhere", otherwise I might have been blocked for 5 years for comments here. Whooo! --Jdellaro 10:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Get bent. I am a declared id on both sites. I get blocked here too, you know. You got blocked for being (imho) a total twat. The argument about npower was held here yesterday - see above. As for random socks pretending to be Jewish in order to score points, I find that very fucking offensive. Further random twats defending their right to be offensive and stating that my arguments are "ridiculous" just to be provocative? Yeah, right. Fox 11:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
UMMM. FOX! You do realize it isn't a crime to be on RationalWiki. Last I checked, Jared is openly liberal, therefore NOT A SOCK. If you stand by that block, then you should be blocked for also having an account here. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 11:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
So block me. If any CP sysops are reading, they may review my edits and decide whether to block me there, too. Jjello should perhaps think that being blocked is as much a result of outing themself here - effectively demanding a longer block than than they initially received - and modify their future behaviour in view of this. Let's call it "common sense deficiency syndrome" Fox 11:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
That is such an utterly ridiculous statement. Blocking him is against CP policy. He's not a sock. He is an open liberal. CP policy has no creedance when used upon anyone except a conservative. You should know this by now. But I didn't expect it of you. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 11:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Quit trying to be reasonable. It won't work on Fox. Tmassey 11:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
It's the worst part of it. He was senseable until a few minutes ago. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 11:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
He was one of the few, if not the only, ranking CPer that I thought could be reasonable. He's just joined the Schlafly brain dead. SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Fox is alright - he's not Jinx or Heart of Gold; you can reason with him. We all say silly things every now and then....PFoster 11:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, Fox, if you still think that having children help their parents to be green is the same as Nazi Youths sending their parents to be cremated, then I will have to stand by my view that it's the most ridiculous thing I've seen on CP this whole week...irregardless whether you consider me a "twat" or not. Perhaps I just view that comparison differently because I'm Catholic and can see a difference between a flash game and the Holocaust, or maybe it's just because I'm not a total moron. Either way, congrats and I'm sorry you find it more "fucking offensive" for a sock to "pretend to be Jewish" than the Holocaust comparison, because that's really really pathetic. --Jdellaro 11:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Jd... it isn't that I think it is completely acceptable! I have stated that I think it is at the "extreme" end of the spectrum. And it is a worrying/unsettling thing for a commercial entity to be engaged in! You read all this here yesterday and still felt like weighing in with a personal insult against me. Whoopee do. Enjoy the 24 hr block. Oh wait - you then have to moan like fuck about it here. Fox 12:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hmmm....So basically someone compared the stupid flash site to nazis or something, Jareddr commented on it at CP, and you blocked him for it. Then he made a domment about another issue, was told to cite it, then complained here and was banned by you, that about right? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 12:05, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I started to make a rational defence about this and then remembered - Sheesh is still a member of this community. Go figure. Fox 12:07, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Let me know when you begin that "rational" defense. I'd love some more laughs at your expense. --Jdellaro 12:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Actually, I didn't read about it in here as I usually don't come over to the Talk side, I just check out the WIGO side. But that's alright, just assume all you want, you've already made an ass of yourself. Any other sites you police to make sure nothing untoward is going on? Hmmm...actually this sort of reminds me of something. "Secret police" roaming from "house to house" (or site to site) looking for any activity to "crack down on" even though "official policy" is that CP doesn't do that sort of thing like WP does. Boy, it just sounds so familiar. --Jdellaro 12:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
LOL Twat. Fox 12:10, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Ugh. This entire thing seems kinda ridiculous to me. Fox. Did you ban Jareddr the second time based soley on Jdellaros edits here? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 12:10, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Fox, you're acting just like TK. I know you hate 'em, but that's my honest opinion. How about those "FUCK YOU ED" edits from you a while back? I guess he should ban you for those. Seriously, taking your anger out on RW because CP ignores anti-Semitic editors is unbecoming of you. NorsemanWassail! 12:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
No. I banned him for being a cunt. Fox 12:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Well. That's seems like a bad reason. Jareddr was a jerk. But aren't you being the exact same thing right now? Do you plan to unblock him at all? Interestingly enough although you seem angry at what's happened, you still keep....lulzy. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 12:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Then why does his block summary say "rw user Jdellaro"? And if you're banning people for being cunts, I suggest starting with oh, Aschlafly, Conservative, Karajou... etc... NorsemanWassail! 12:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, of course. Because that's the way the power structure is organised, right? /sniggers Fox 12:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, i know many women who would find your continued references to twats and cunts as insults as offensive as someone saying "kike." Knock it off...PFoster 12:23, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. Could you remind me what Jareddr did to get blocked? The first block log doesn't say. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Further deflection. Why is it okay for you to call me a paedophile, but not okay for me to block a user? Seriously, your priorities are somewhere far up your rectum. Fox 12:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
You linked me to Sheesh. I can't find anywhere in his contributions here where he called you that. Was it here, there? Where. Do you have a link or could you at least direct me to somewhere in the vicinity? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 12:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
(ec) I didn't call you anything. My question was genuine. I honestly want to understand. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
(ec) this springs to mind Fox 12:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
need a cite? Fox 12:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
@Arcan I didn't block you Fox 12:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

If someone called you a paedophile without proof (being an ass, basically), then it isn't warranted and I would personally frown against an accusation thereof. However, you still haven't explained how being a "twat" or "cunt" is grounds for being banned at CP, when you explicitly have shown that just being a RW user is the reason for the banning. Wisdom98's block is proof that CP just doesn't care to follow its rules, and so far you're showing the same apathy. You say further deflection, but have yet to give a viable reason that you haven't violated CP policy and turn defensive. Thanks for not calling me a twat or anything, and I apologize for saying you were acting like TK (I was out of line, sorry), but I (and others) would still like to know what grounds Jareddr was blocked for. The evidence shown thus far is hypocrisy that only Karajou and others would display, and we would rather hope you are still one of the few, more respected, editors on CP. NorsemanWassail! 12:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(ec) I didn't say you did. But you seem to be holding me accountable for what someone else said, and I was inquiring about something you, specifically, did. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I really respect the things you've done over at CP to make it a more sensible place. I just wanted to understand this one act. If that's too much to ask, fine. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Why did you block Jareddr, it wasn't he who you say called you a paedophile. Personally I don't see that as calling you a pedophile, seeing as you are most definitely not one of them. You just happen to be over there. Granted it doesn't detract from what he said but why take it out (something that happened in March) on Jareddr? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 12:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(reset)Jello knew exactly what they were doing when they weighed in on an argument that was already cold hash here from yesterday. It wasn't to make any noble statement to defend either the pov of the pro or con: it was to call the statements of the son of a Holocaust survivor "ridiculous" - in this case, with the result being to make CP look silly for reprinting (the pathetic) WNDs "Hitler Youth" comparison, or to make the opinions of said Holocaust survivor's son look silly. Frankly, that's insulting enough. I like to scar the faces of people like that. Fox

Was that the one day Block? Then you unblocked and reblocked for 5 years why? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 12:53, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Said twat had to advertize to the world that he was actually a RW user. Tough cheese, but that's the way it is. Keep schtum and the block's over in a day. Gloat about what a bunch of arseholes we are, draw attention to who you are, expect more. Fox 12:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Thank you very much for your honest answer. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
But is it not one of the "differences from wikipedia" to not block based on anything elsewhere? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 12:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I didn't write nor sign the "differences". Ask me about circumcision instead. Fox 13:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Are not all sysop supposed to can has differences? Also, when you put the knife near the baby's penis, are you supposed to just jam it in? (Weird joke) --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 13:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't think Fox is a sysop anymore (correct me if I'm wrong), but it does seem like the "differences" would be a CP edict for all to follow. Then again, I suppose we can't hold him to a standard that no one else at CP follows. As to that second bit - Aaaahh! Ouch! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 13:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, so because you're the son of a Holocaust survivor---your opinions are beyond question? I can't state that the comparison is completely ridiculous because, again, you have a relationship to a Holocaust survivor? And furthermore, I didn't make your opinions look silly---they WERE silly. And I don't care if you're the son of a Holocaust survivor or the Queen of England---if your opinion is ridiculous, I'm going to say as much. Your family history is irrelevant to this conversation. In fact, if anything, I would think you would've agreed that the comparison between promoting conservation and the Hitler Youth is beyond the pale. But again, I don't care what happened to your family, I wasn't making any kind of offensive remarks about the Holocaust, and was explaining how the comparison belittles what happened in Germany at that time. So don't try and play the victim, Fox, because it doesn't pass the smell test. --Jdellaro 13:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Knob. Fox 13:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

For the most part, I respect your opinions. Being the son of a Holocaust survivor, however, does not render those opinions immune to criticism. Nor does it provide you with the moral authority to decide what is and isn't a validly "Jewish" perspective. --Phentari 13:05, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

It gives me more insight in these matters than your uypbringing, however. Fox 13:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

But not in areas do decide who is and who is not jewish. Unless you have a Jewdar (which I've heard is real) But knowing nothing about Euler (or whoever it was you said was lying about it) except his opinions on this subject wouldn't give even the most Jewy jew the knowledge of instant Jewledge. (knowledge and jew) --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 13:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"I like to scar the faces of people like that." I'm not sure how anyone who considers themselves rational can respect a person who would say such a thing. Bondurant 13:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I never claimed rationality with regard to anti-semitism. Please feel free to email me and I will arrange for you to come to my house for your ass to be kicked.If you prefer, I will also split your clock. At no cost! Fox 13:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hmmmm Let me see if if follow---calling your opinion ridiculous + you are the son of a Holocaust survivor = you calling me anti-semitic AND threatening to "scar my face." Not only are your opinions ridiculous, and your language offensive, but you are possibly mentally unstable. I'd have all three of those things looked into if I were you. --Jdellaro 13:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Ok, now you are being ridiculous. He is allowed to beleive that the site is offensive, not because his father is a holocaust survivor or even because he's Jewish but because he can. You offended him Jared, and that's a fact. You didn't mean to but it happened. He blocked you for being rude, which you really weren't and now you are. You would now be under the guidelines to be blocked. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 13:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I think you are getting confused. Of course he can believe the site comparing conservation and HY is offensive. In fact, this all started because I was agreeing with someone who thought the comparison between conservation and Hitler Youth was absurd and trivialized the Holocaust. Fox tried to invalidate their opinion and stated, "If you really were a Jew" they would understand that the comparison was valid. So not only did Fox think the comparison was valid, but someone who disagreed wasn't "really a Jew". I called that opinion absolutely ridiculous and my statement has NOTHING, absolutely ZERO, to do with any connection he has to the Holocaust. In fact, him announcing it today is the first time I've even seen it. Am I being rude now? I would argue much less so in comparison to having been called an anti-semite and having someone threaten to "scar my face". --Jdellaro 14:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Well yes, a lot of what he has said was uncalled for, but the same goes for you. Why are you stooping to a level you consider reprehensible. And Fox, why are you doing the same thing too? It doesn't seem that Jared is anti-semitic at all. Just anti-you. And you did kinda block him for no good reason. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 14:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Is that a "no"? Fox 13:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I would just like to point out two things. 1) Lawl. 2) I am not Jdellaro. Bondurant 13:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

At this juncture, I would like to say how disappointed I am that I am not involved in this. Please, can either Jareddr or Fox block me or be pissy with me too? If it will help, I could call one of you a cunt or something like that. Let me know, I feel left out. DogP 13:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Go for it. My wife is on business in Detroit, the kids are at their grandparents. You want to back up your mouth with your body, I'm available until Monday =) Fox 14:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Oooo. An Internet Tough Guy. Haven't seen one of those in a few weeks. I consider myself duly intimidated. --Gulik 15:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
That's a remarkably presumptuous attitude to take, particularly when coupled with the "No True Scotsman" position of denying that someone who shares your opinions could possibly be Jewish. Do you really believe that it's impossible that there are other children of Holocaust survivors out there who might find the website harmless? Who might consider Nazi analogies offensive and cheapening? --Phentari 13:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
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This conversation is about to go badly downhill, inevitably ending in comparisons to Hitler, and hurt feelings all around.
Stop now. Step away from the keyboard.
Go pet a jerboa, or milk a goat.

Bondurant, I really think we've been there for a while. And seen the worst of it. It seems to be tapering off a bit already. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 13:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree, though at least I now know what this template is called, which I'm sure that was the whole point of this conversation, haha. Thanks!--Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 13:28, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
The missus came home when I was hunting around for the template, and by the time she'd gone into the kitchen, it had all died down again. Sorry for my tardiness. Bondurant 13:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

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Shall we now fuel Fox's martyr complex by blocking him for abusive language? SusanG  ContribsTalk 13:51, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Like you block those wankers who go around calling people paedophiles..? Fox 13:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
It seems like what Sheesh said was just s a joke. Anyway, I made a joke about stabbing a baby in the dick and nothing happened to me. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 14:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh. ... Hahaha. Guess what guys? April fools!! I blocked knobchops for 5 years for a laugh. Hey, you know, nothing ntended. Just a joke, m'kay Jello? Fox 14:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
? --Jdellaro 14:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
He was being sarcastic by saying that it was joke and that we are over-reacting. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 14:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
(EC)Don't think it was intended to be taken seriously, fox, but does that give you the right to call us various unsavoury names? Things that come to mind: Touch pitch & be defiled (you're mixing with the wrong crowd over there); I was going to say "Methinks .... doth protest too much" but you might have jumped in your car & been on the way up here with a lynch mob - so I didn't. SusanG  ContribsTalk 14:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Surely it gives me as much right to call people names as is applied vice versa? Worst I've ever mananaged is nowhere near calling a parent a "paedophile" with regard to his own homeschooled kids. Fox 14:19, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Did he know you were a parent? And the worst? Child murdering scum comes to mind (granted, there was a lot of evidence for that). And still the fact remains, different things affect different people. If I called you a kike it would be different from calling a non-jew a kike. Maybe he just didn't expect you'd take it as seriously. It still doesn't mean you can arbitrarily block people who've done nothing wrong. You're different from Andy-nites. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 14:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Fox, I didn't call you a pedophile. But you did call me anti-semitic and threaten to "scar my face". So for that, I would like an apology, and for you to stop pulling out your cyber-wanker and trying to threaten everyone. I haven't seen that type of b.s. since I was a teenager going into AOL Chat rooms..."Why don't you say it to my face man...I'll kick your ass.." BLAH BLAH BLAH Cyber-Crap. --Jdellaro 14:28, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
No. We shall block him for being too foxy. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Jinx is giving him enough ridiculous bullshit at his talk page on CP. But I don't know where this discussion/argument goes from here. Feelings and accounts have both been hurt. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 13:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
They're on "unobtainable" for me @ the moment. SusanG  ContribsTalk 13:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Assuming you mean CP and not feelings, do you use Firefox? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 14:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes (ffox). SusanG  ContribsTalk 14:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I've always used IE and it only goes away every once in a while. You seem to be chronically off. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 14:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Mkay, let's play sum Dino Run. NorsemanWassail! 14:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'd just like to point out that Sheesh DID NOT call Fox a paedophile (at least in the diffs that were given). He said "In any case, aiding and abetting pediaphiles is not part partcularyl noble." (original spelling left intact) Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 14:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"pediaphiles"? People who love encyclopedias? Ah, if Interpreted were around he'd block everyone who has edited in the last 24 hours for twenty minutes, and I'd unblock myself and start arguing with him about that... ħumanUser talk:Human 17:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
He did call him (specifically Fox) a paedophile once, after Fox called him on his previous accusation towards Conservapedians in general. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 19:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oi! Fox!

Enough of this Jdellaro stuff, what about unblocking Toffeeman? I'd like to un-sock and actually contribute in some (very) small way. Basically I'm doing a correspondence philosophy course at a London University and fiddling about with and extending philosophy articles helps me get little bits straight in my mind. I can't do this on WP because they're way ahead of me, so I do it on CP. I get to tidy up my mind, those homeschoolers get extensions to articles on Popper and Wittgenstein. I think its a good deal, Bugler doesn't think that allows me to tell Andy that he is wrong when he defames a dedicated and honest scientist. I emailed you with the "offending" post. Now how about it? --Toffeeman 15:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't bother. Deborah, PJR, and JM all think they know something about philosophy.
We have an article on Popper that could use expansion (homskollars can read it here!), and Wittgenstein is a red link... ħumanUser talk:Human 17:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Karajou and overly simple logic

I get the feeling that this and this grossly oversimplify the situations.Shangrala 13:32, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Alas. One of Carriage's specialities. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 13:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ooo! Lookit! There's no trees and polar bears and stuffs, so obviously, there's no ecology to mess up! And lookit the mooses near the oil refinery! Clearly, it's GOOD for them! --Phentari 13:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
(PS Karajou you spelled "remember" wrong)Shangrala 13:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I feel like doing grossly oversimplified math. Let's say that there are 100 people and 99 of them earn $40,000 per year, and 1 of them earns $1 million per year (total income: $4.96 million). Those who earn $40,000 pay a tax of 10%, and the $1 million person pays 20%.
  • The $1 million person pays $200,000 in taxes, leaving them with a paltry $800,000 to spare
  • The $40,000 people pay $396,000 in taxes, giving them enormous wealth at $36,000 each
  • The top 1% of earners earn 20.61% of all income
  • The top 1% of earners pay 33.56% of all income taxes.
This is the worst type of theft and I will not stand for it, lookit how you are crippling the wealthy of the nation >:o(.Shangrala 13:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Challenge (UK only)

Email me through cp (tonight only), and I will give you my telephone number. If you really think I am some kind of wanker or alien or want to duke it out verbally, I'm up for it. Fox 14:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

And MY cyber-penis is 13 inches long! --Jdellaro 14:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Is that a "no"? Again? You really lack conviction in your gobshitedness, don't you? Fox 14:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh, me calling you up so we can have a cyber-fight on the phone now? Man, your wife better hurry home, because you're starting to lose it. Even if, for a split-second, I entertained your RIDICULOUS idea, you issued your challenge to "UK Only". Sorry, bub, but I'm on the other side of the ocean. And please spare me the comeback, "Thank god, or I'd kick your ass" or some such nonsense. --Jdellaro 14:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
So let's chat. Let's put our differences to bed. Fox 15:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
We don't need to chat to handle our differences. Just apologize here for calling me anti-semitic, threatening to "scar my face", and unblock me...and in return I'll know that you're the son of a Holocaust survivor and continue to insist that comparing conservatism with Hitler Youth is ridiculous and demeaning. Seems like that should handle it AND you can save the money for the phone call. You're welcome!--Jdellaro 15:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Fox, I think you might be overreacting, and J, I think the correct term is "e-penis." --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
No, I have an e-penis that is 16 inches long. Two separate virtual-penises. --Jdellaro 14:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Ah, my apologies. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Understandable---felt it was necessary to have both a cyber AND an e-version of the penis. Always be prepared! --Jdellaro 14:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Dude, offering to give out your phone number is getting kind of high on the creepy scale. Bjones 14:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Only if you have something to hide. I don't. Email inbox still empty... Fox 14:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hands up anybody getting bored with the fox hunting. Hand.--Bobbing up 14:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Seconded. Fox, may I suggest you take a quick walk outside to cool down? I'm saying this without assigning guilt (since I only speedread over the drama above and don't intend to wade deeper anytime soon); it's just that taking you out of the equation for a while looks like the easiest way to let this trainwreck cool down. --Sid 14:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm going to second the cool-down constitutional. I understand that you're angry, but it seems you've begun tilting at windmills. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Disappointing =/ No takers. I'm gonna have to throw this open to the USA too. Don't worry about the cost, I'll call you =) Fox 14:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent (Asimov) SusanG  ContribsTalk 14:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Or the first refuge of the thug. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 14:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Creepy meter is climbing higher Bjones 14:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Come on - its easier to debate the topics and get a feel for the person this way than it is by teh net. Try it - you might be pleasantly surprised =) Fox 14:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I would like to state that I am not accepting this challenge because I am skinny and relatively physically weak. OH MY GOSH I'M SO ASHAMED I'M GOING TO GO SIT IN A CORNER AND CONTEMPLATE THE WORTHLESSNESS OF MY EXISTENCE BECAUSE MY MUSCLES AREN'T ENORMOUS. Also, I'm a pacifist. --λινυσ() 14:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Not about anything other than communication. Its a phone call. Nothing more nothing less. I'll call you, no cost involved. Expanded WORLDWIDE (apparently TalkTalk charge me "local" globally). You can call me if you prefer - I'm easy. My history here shows I don't give personal details away to anybody. I'm up for a chat. Let's do it. Fox 15:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
My apologies for failing to read what you wrote thoroughly. :( You'll find my response in the next section. --λινυσ() 15:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Don't surrender your CP sox - email me direct at Fox 15:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, I apreciate time differences and all, but don't leave it too late. Gone 8pm UK time... Fox 15:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, I'm curious…

…were you suggesting that EulerMascheroni0577 was not really a Jew? I wonder, as he was my sock and all. --λινυσ() 14:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Wait, I see you were. Never mind. --λινυσ() 14:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Should that be the case then the argument presented by my family would be that to focus on the HJ aspect would be a red herring to distract from corporate involvement> There are very few connotations thatcould be made - this was one. It worked. It drew attention to a "bad thing". Phone me, let's chat. Fox 14:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I actually have something of a phobia about phones. :( No, really, I do. IRC/IM works for me, however, although not as this specific moment, because I'm supposed to be preparing for the next year of school. Also, I was actually genuinely offended that anyone would implicitly, if unintentionally, trivialize the Holocaust by comparing a branch of the Nazi party with an, admittedly inane and unpleasant, web game. I wasn't trying to set out a red herring. --λινυσ()


Nobody wants to chat? Fox 15:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

About what topic? --Fake 15:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm easy. Reeves and Mortimer? Judaism? The role of the Daily Mail in socio-economic history? Fox 15:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
SEems to me there's not a single person here who believes they can back up the crap they spout. =/ Fox 15:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Show me some crap I've spouted....I'll back it up. PFoster 15:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Of all the people here, you're in the top 3 that I'd love to talk to. email me. Fox 15:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I would - but 1) i'm off on vacation tonight and don't want to start something only to leave it hanging and 2) this "talk to me off-site" rhetoric? I'd rather not see things go down that road....anything I want to say, I'll say here in the public sphere. PFoster 15:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Like 4 people spouted any crap. Some of the others just diagreed. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 15:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't messianic Judaism makes as much sense as Protestants for Catholicism --Foxy 15:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Meh, maybe. Call me. Let's figure it out. If you have the balls of course =/ Fox 15:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't want to row on the phone, I wouldn't mind you replying to my post "Oi! Fox!",above. (Probably should have put it lower down). --Toffeeman 15:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I thought i had - see RC Fox 15:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Thanks. --Toffeeman 15:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Boy, when your wife and kids are gone, Fox, you get REALLY bored. I mean, check out some porn or something. Don't spend that free time making threats and daring people to call you just to pass the hours.--Jdellaro 15:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

LOL is that the same as admnitting YOU are too scared to chat? Fox 15:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
No, it's the same as admitting that MY wife is gone, and I'VE got porn to check out! --Jdellaro 15:53, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
You don't have a wife =( You're a 14 yr old who lives at home with mommy. Hence you can't debate by phone =/ All these fantastic intellectual minds... who don't want to chat. =/ Makes me wonder if you aren't actually calling our bluffs with a hand like a foot... = ) Fox 15:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Thanks Dr. Fox! Now that I don't have a wife, I can go watch my porn without any concerns! I'm so sorry nobody wants to talk to you. And what with you having no friends in the UK and the only people forced to talk to you--your family--escaping, I mean, leaving the house, you must be sooo sad. It's alright, eventually they'll be forced to return to you, if they even exist, and you can forget that nobody will call you because, frankly, nobody gives a shit about you. --Jdellaro 16:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I am using irc right now, and I am in #rationalwiki --PhilH 15:59, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

DFTTThunderkatzHo! 16:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fuck you all

I gave you my personal email address. I begged you to debate with me by telephone(at my cost) You were incapable of doing so. In future, please substitute my sig with FOX PWND ME DOGGIE or similar, and annotate all criticism of me with a recognition of your own shittiness. It's only fair = Losers.) Fox 16:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, I'm watching a footy match and can't be bothered with your macho posturings. Your threats of violence make you no better than the brown shirts you so obviously despise. You act like a petulant teenager, grow up and be a real man - one who doesn't have to rely on threats. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 16:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)





--PhilH 16:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

On, in case you weren't sure. ThunderkatzHo! 16:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Fox's mother again? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 16:07, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Wahhhh Wahhhh Nobody wants to call me waahhhh And I have to edit my goodbye message 8 times b/c I can't get it right the first time waaahhh--Jdellaro 16:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

And the creepy meter just broke. Bjones 16:13, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh noes, I lost the debate because I refused to give some stranger on the internet my phone number! My life is over! Fox has utterly pwn'd me! D= --Sid 16:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

DA INTERNETZ IS SERIES BIZNESS — Unsigned, by: Vandal / talk / contribs

You said it, Vandal. Where'd the lolz go? Bondurant 16:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You are so hard =/ I am afraid. Oh wait, you all ran way. I rool, u drool, pussies =) Fox 16:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

There it is :-) Bondurant 16:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

TOMMY GORMAN! IS THAT YOU!?!? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 16:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox: Why so serious? Barikada 17:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Once in a while life smacks me and wakes me up. Last time I was active here my eldest daughter was here, she of "Fuck you, Ed Poor " fame. Meantime, smacking a nazi cost me 1500 quid and 100 hrs community service. My daughter is back in England next week. It is my father's birthday on August 17, and he should have died in Auschwitz if the world had its way. I'm reminded strongly of those issues. I get punchy. Come and have a go if you think you are hard enough. Fox 17:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
You are fighting with people who you have no reason to fight. People who happened to disagree with what you did. We are not Nazis, we had nothing to do with Auschwitz, and we've never met your daughter. Why you are trying to pick fights with people all around you, innocent people, I don't know. You are being utterly ridiculous and rude. You are turning into a troll or a boxer just taunting people who agree with you for no reason at all. We are not the enemy. No matter what you think right now. US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 17:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

First taker

Seriously - that's my home number. Call me - withold your number if you prefer. Let's talk. Once you've ascertained that it's me at this end, you can use the same email to send me a (global) number. I'll call you back for free. Fox 16:43, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I haven't seen anything that's worth arguing about all day. Much less anything worth making or receiving a phone call over. This sort of behavior is beneath RW standards. - Lardashe

Please give it up. I have no idea who's right and wrong in this dispute, but I do know that you are acting churlishly now. This is a wiki and thus the main form of communication is at the wiki level. Leave it that way, and don't try to score points because others don't want to "debate" you over the phone.--Damo2353 16:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, what do you want to talk about or debate?--TimS 16:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, maybe you're right. If most of the people here turn out to be 12 year old r-tards struggling to snap momma's apron strings, let alone the intellectual giants you claim to be, then its perhaps best you hide behind your internet identities. After all, it would be pretty embarrassing if the truth came out, right? =/ Fox 16:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
TOMMY GORMAN! IT IS YOU! AND YOU LEARNED TO SPELL!? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 16:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Fox irrespective of whether you or they are right or not, surely you understand the purpose of a wiki is to have conversations like this on the wiki. I am afraid to say it, but you are acting like a politician in a parliament, not interested in achieving anything so much as scoring cheap political points. For the sake of your own credibility, as well as that of the site and its continuing harmony, I beg you to give this aggressive challenge up.--Damo2353 17:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, yes we all hide behind pseudonyms and anonymous accounts, for example, it would take detective work beyond repute to figure out who I am. But why in the world do you want people to call you? I am with everyone else on this, it is just creepy, internet=internet. I have no desire to take it "out back." tmtoulouse torment 17:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You're always goingb on about confronting eg Andrew at his CP talks.... Think of this as a dress rehearsal. I'm easy meat - just the prick with paedophilic tendencies who blocks god-like users for no good reason. Ring me, take me apart. Fox 17:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Are you stupid? -- 17:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Ring me, find out, dufus =) Fox 17:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT) I imagine that now you're either running off tesosterone or lulz. -- 17:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, right now all you are doing is trolling. I suggest we all stop feeding the troll, until he calms down and acts with a little dignity--Damo2353 17:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Good idea. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 17:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Weird. You're all emailing me and daring me to give out my number, but not ringing it... Fox 17:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, to be honest I dont think anyone (at least, I dont) gives a shit right now about what you have to say down the phone. Hence, why do you care? Ace McWickedInteresting 17:43, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry guys, but I took the unilateral decision to put an end to this silly discussion. Unblock Fox if you disagree, but I think it wouldn't do us all any harm if he took a couple of hours out to chill, or just call it a day. Bondurant 17:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Twat. Of course, it isn't in any way hypocritical that this conversation started about blocking people. Don't worry about it - RW is free to block people who hurt their consciences while CP has to somehow give you a reach around to justify blocking twats. Get a life.
Two hours, five years. That's the same. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 18:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
You should apologize. Shame on you for blocking somebody just because he pointed out what cowards frequent this site!— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
I would have unblocked him, but 1. it was only for two hours and 2. he threatened physical violence to another editor. Also, he has a block history showing similar behavior in the past. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Come on, spit it, we're as bad as Conservapedia, do it! Oh, nevermind, you already implied it below. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 19:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Naughty Debbie is a vandal

Somebody called Deborah has vandalized the Conservapedia article at Wiki Index. I’ve warned her and told 2 admins. Americans and Australians will have to deal with this. It’s bed time here. Proxima Centauri 17:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Proxima, it doesn't look like vandalism to me. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 17:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Diff by Deborah for good measure. Removing criticism by someone with an agenda could count as vandalism. Bondurant 17:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
How Debbie left it.
How I restored it. Proxima Centauri 17:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes it's different, but why uz not actin on gud fait? Maybe she was just trying to improve and remove a bit of criticism. Spin yes. Vandal no. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 17:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Well it was definitely Deborah of CP fame--Damo2353 17:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"Conservapedia has almost 25,000 users." hahahahaha. Sometimes it takes more than counting how many accounts have ever been registered to actually calculate the number of "users"... ħumanUser talk:Human 18:10, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Jpatt's liberal myths schooled

On to (slightly) more substantive matters, isn't this a delight to see? How will Jpatt react? And isn't it sad Jareddr isn't there to add his 2 cents?--Damo2353 17:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

CP vsR W debate

Sadly we all choked and CP took the moral and intellectual high ground. Perhaps next year we may do better!— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

We can only hope. US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 18:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh dear, what a strange worldview you have AnonBoN. Refusing to fight with a thug is losing the moral and intelectual high ground? And it wasn't even Consevapedia, it was a mid-level editor with block rights and an enormous chip on his shoulder. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 18:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
We should focus less on shifting blame onto blocked people and instead try to learn how to treat editors with respect, just like CP does. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
This is a good one. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 18:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Anyone want to put a {{cite}} tag on that? Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 19:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Respect has to be earned. Before that you are entitled to courtesy, but abuse of that consideration forfeits even that privilege. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 18:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

CP treats editors with respect? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wheres PJR these days I wonder? What ever happened to that guy that Andy-Pants accused of lying because he passed his exams even though he had a liberal teacher? What about that time TerryH threatened to ban everyone because they told him that some gitmo guys had actually returned home and not to the battlefield? BAHAHA! Ace McWickedInteresting 18:50, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

If that flame war above is called "open debate", we certainly allow, nay, encourage it. I was surprised it took so long after the threats of bodily harm for someone to block Fox, for that terrible, lonely, frustrating 2 hours. And not block his IP, of course. I did have one question, though. If Fox blocked so-and-so "for being a cunt", why didn't the block comment at CP just say so and get it over with? Back to that awesome edit Arcan linked to - discussion on a public wiki or message board or IRC channel is "open debate". Private emails and telephone conversations are the very opposite. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
If anyone needed proof of what a big childish bully Fox is then they need only look at his recent edits at CP. Really, what a loser! Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 19:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Potential Night of the Blunt Knives, featuring... Fox?

Fox potentially hit the Banhammer Overdrive button. So far, NathanG (Wasn't he, like, Andy's future son in law or something?), DinsdaleP, JMereel (Who?) and EulerMascheroni0577 (Okay, admitted sock.) got axed. --Sid 18:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox will apparently go to no end to make sure we feel what he wants us to feel. Even though the guidelines say "don't block for stuff elsewhere" has gone to the dark side. -- 19:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
If I read his posts in the trainwreck section above correctly, he regards the "Differences with WP" points as optional rules he doesn't have to follow since he didn't "sign" them. --Sid 19:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
(ec)Yeah, I was going to say, if Nate was a mole, he was very deep cover. On a side note, I hate to use the J-word (mainly in fear that his name works like "Beetlejuice"), but isn't "mole" Jinx's word? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Self-update: Ah, I just noticed JMereel's edits: "I forgot the password of my other account" = "Abusing multiple accounts" --Sid 19:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Well I must say that I am now deeply regretting my action to give up my character at CP in an attempt to help Fox when his argument against Andy was going badly. It appears I severely misjudged Fox's character.Damo2353 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Damn socks, first they add parody articles, then they block your sysops en masse, now they date your daughter, what's next? NightFlareThis is a talk page. 19:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Thanks, I needed a good chuckle right now XD --Sid 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Bugler got banhammered. I wonder when Fox will realize that he's banning people who got Block rights... --Sid 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hey Fox - don't forget to ban all my socks while you're at it. At present count, I estimate I have twelve operators over there presently. Only a few are dormant. DogP 19:50, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

He didn't.

He couldn't have. He blocked Bugler. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 19:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

This will not end well. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 19:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"Suicide by Andy", anybody? --Sid 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Well, he was looking for a fight. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
He's beginning to think a little clearer. But he still thinks we're out to get him. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 19:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm thinking that's just a bit of CYA. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"I have no idea if my accusations of these people being RW moles are correct, but I dished out blocks anyway. If you are not a mole, please mail me with the text 'I am not a mole.' in the message body."
Who else here loves the repetition of "hostile" and the Dr. Evil-ish quotes around "edit pattern"? --Sid 19:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm lovin' it! --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 19:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) This should be good. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

And now the Fox has been blocked. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
Wheel War! --Sid 19:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
It is about time they decided to dance for us. tmtoulouse torment 19:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Surprise take down by jpatt! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Nala Flip! --Sid 19:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Is this true? Or is he just making it up? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 19:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I have in my hand a list... --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:32, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"Don't worry, guys! Just give me your phone numbers - I won't give out private information to anybody! =D" --Sid 19:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
It could certainly be true, the problems are that 1) being a "sysops" does not mean someone is a member of a dark cabal with access to all the secret meetings, and 2) there is no central organization to "socks" at all. So at most it is a RW user who has some guesses about socks and sent it in, most likely to cause exactly the scene we are seeing now. tmtoulouse torment 19:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
(Damn ECs) Yep, clearly Fox hasn't played Mafia. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 19:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
That's exactly what a mole would say! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Holy shit they're going crazy.... I came back just in time... SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 19:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Chuck what the hell? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 19:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
(Wow, edit conflict on my explanation. This is the original message I was gonna post) On a side note, I just created a CP account with the same user name... I'm hoping they'll go ahead and nuke my IP.... that way I'm not tempted to sock up anymore SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 19:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Damn, Fox looked through your clever disguise and identified you as a mole! =O --Sid 19:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
*hours later*
Andy: "Let's see how my site is doing! =D ...what the fuck. =|"
Fox/Jpatt/Jinx/Nathan: *point at each other* "HE STARTED IT!"
Predicted by: Sid 19:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"Jason, I have a provisional list of users from rat-ionalwiki, given to me by a sysop there, of users who are operating here as parodiats/moles. I will send it to you via email" - Fox @ CP. Can someone send me a copy, too? ħumanUser talk:Human 19:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Andy's Response: Gentlemen, You can't wield your unchallenged power over other users here, this is Conservapedia SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 19:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Nate is innocent! He hasn't fought back at all. And Human, I'll send it to you. I'm the one who sent it to Fox! *maniacal cackling* --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
We need to decide what to do about something. His block expires in a few minutes. Do we do longer block or wait and see? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 19:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
On another note all together, how can I be a mole when I sign up under the same username... that makes me like a badger or something doesn't it? SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 19:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Maybe if you're a really, really incompetent mole...? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 19:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Wait and see, after all, we don't block (or extend blocks) for what others do on other websites.
By the way, Fox could at least remove that from the Differences with Wikipedia page. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 19:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
I agree that we should not extend the block without cause. That said, perhaps a short leash will be necessary. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Aspire is talking to a dead guy. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 19:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
No need to worry about the block on Fox, his IP wasn't blocked anyway. Nice of him to figure out a way to entertain us (little man) during his little break(down). ħumanUser talk:Human 19:53, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Dammit Sid, you beat me to the screen cap. Pinto's5150 Talk 19:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, those screencapping reflexes are hardwired into me... --Sid 20:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You guys hear that sound? That faint buzzing in the InterTubes? The almost-silence after the storm? That's the sound of dozens of Very Important Mails being exchanged. --Sid 20:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Interesting. He unblocked the one that started all this. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 20:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh no

I think I'm gonna wait till he calms down before I head back over there, this is insane! אנדי שלאפלי איז א פאץ What, you can't read it? Learn how to speak Yiddish 20:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

He became what he hate most - TK. NorsemanWassail! 20:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
"But at least we now have a solution for the wrongdoers." [2] Why does that phrase make me cringe? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Heads peep over the parapet

Up bobs one head, then another. DogP 20:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Interesting off topic

OMG!!!11!!!!oneoneone!! Wikipedia rejects the National Enquirer. Who would reject such a trustworthy news source? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 20:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Jinx and Moles

Anyone else think the jinxy picked a strangely sexual choice of words here? Ace McWickedInteresting 20:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I find Fox's definition of "solution" a lot weirder. --Sid 20:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)



We cook your meals. We haul your trash. We connect your calls.

We drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep.

We like to watch you squirm. Don't turn your back on us. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 20:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

DANCE (with me Lois)! DANCE THE DANCE OF LIFE! NorsemanWassail! 20:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)