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Making Karajou Funny (Redux) (sticky)

Well, if he's going to keep on drawing them, it is our duty to at least make 'em funny. --PsyGremlinSermā! 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Atheist Britain

Where's Andy (and by default TKimg) gotten the idea that Britain is atheist? I mean they only have the head of the Anglican Church there. Not to mention several million Muslims, Seikhs, Hindus, etc., etc. (ok, so they're not Xian, so they don't count). I thought he'd have a hard-on for the UK, seeing as the Cons are coming into power. So much for the "special relationship". --PsyGremlin말하십시오 13:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Everyone knows Richard Dawkins atheiified the entire country. Internetmoniker (talk) 13:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Britain is not American, so they hate freedom and are socialist communist atheist fascists. Deny this and lose all credibility! --GTac (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Because, barring Mail-reading loonies, it turns out that the UK's actually fairly liberal, particularly according to Arsefly's scale. Atheists are liberals and liberals are atheists. QED. Deny this and lose all credibility. Webbtje (talk) 14:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
From what I've seen of Arsefly, the BNP are 'fairly liberal' by his standards. (talk) 16:34, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
They might be a bunch of liberals, but he'd vote for them just for their education policies! --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 00:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Does the BNP promote homeschooling?  Lily Inspirate me. 03:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd imagine the BNP would prefer for most people to be educated in comprehensive's (what we call public schools in England and Wales) so they can change the curriculum to their own ends. However, given that Andy doesn't know the difference between England and Britain, his opinion counts for fuck all. SJ Debaser 12:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

The site is growing shrinking rapidly

I see new sysop, Douglas Adams... oops... sorry, DouglasA has gone on another deletion spree.img I wonder how Ed will take having his "My Neighbor Totoro"img deleted because it's "pop-culture"? Especially now that we've proven that "Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon"img isn't pop culture.--PsyGremlinZungumza! 17:48, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it Douglas Allenby? He does list his email address is dg.allenby. Keegscee (talk) 18:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Because no one ever makes up a name to go with an initial--Opcn (talk) 18:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
His name is Brian Ugler. His name is Brian Ugler. His name is Brian Ugler. Nutty Roux (talk) 19:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Haha! Nutty wins the thread, I think. Tetronian you're clueless 20:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh god, why did you need to remind me of Ed's weirdness? Professor Moriarty 19:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Who is the "Troublemaker/Troll/Liar" whose articles are being deleted? Most of those anime articles were created by JessicaT, who was certainly not a troll. This alone suggests that Doug is either an idiot, a vandal or a power-mad nut. Maybe all three. Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 20:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I've no idea what he's really up to there, but it's damn amusing. He's deleted a lot of cruft as well as some fairly significant articles. cp:Adventure remains (tip for you there, Douglas) but Ed Poor's writing is a tribute second only to a lunatic writing it in human shit on the side of a dead horse. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about our pizza 21:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh that is truly a thing of beauty, watching Douglas delete all those articles. So now, thanks to him, the "trustworthy encyclopaedia" has even less info. Still, at least he's saving them from liberal multi-culturism. I love the "untrustworthy" because he's too stupid or too lazy to Google a couple of facts. As parodists go, I'd say he heads the list of doing the most damage to CP. Maybe we should e-mail him a list of articles to delete, i.e. all of them, except for Ken's abortions. His scatter gun approach is commendable too - he just deletes half the emperors and leaves the rest. Still, he hasn't found the Battleship Big Penis yet. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 17:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Addendum. Douggie-baby says he hasn't deleted Sailor Moon, because Ed is a "long-standing administrator and a valued contributor to the encyclopedia". Parodist. 'nuff said. --PsyGremlinSermā! 18:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow. DouglasA's not finished yet. How does that stand up to scrutiny, I wonder. I'm waiting with bated breath to see his end-game. JacobB's too. Nutty Roux (talk) 18:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
The only rationale I can think of is that somebody (i.e. TK) has bullied the other sysops into agreeing that every article ever created by a banned user is suspect and must be deleted. That saves TK from having to actually do work and check facts, plus it plays along with his soopah seekrit plan to bring CP down from the inside. Douglas Adams appears to be his willing sidekick.
Btw.. how did user QK manage to slip through the cracks. Don't they have "similar to existing user" block reason? --PsyGremlinSermā! 18:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh hell, he is deleting all of JessicaT's articles! I guess he saw that she was blocked and decided that all those articles were fair game. I don't know about this one . . . he could be a parodist, but I'm getting the feeling that he's just a complete and utter moron. Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 18:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I just had a thought. Andy and co. have been announcing more and more openly political projects, such as the big abortion project going on now. Conversely, there has been no real effort to beef up the encyclopedic part of the encyclopedia since the ill-fated article creation drives. While I doubt that Andy has actually endorsed DouglasA's deletion spree, I wouldn't be shocked if Andy at least approves of it. If Andy has finally given up any pretense of being a true alternative to Wikipedia, then this rampage might actually be in line with his "vision." They're going to destroy CP in order to fulfill Andy's ideal. Of course, I may just be thinking this because it's amusing to picture Andy smiling as his project collapses around him. Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 19:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how Karajou and Rob can show their faces around CP...

...while TK is still doing his thing. I mean, could it be more clear that he's an enemy of the site?
User:Have a fact, provided in a non-confrontational and helpful manner.img
TK: Last wordism! in this irrelevant and low-profile conversation.img For that you shall die.img
I only mention Karajou and Rob because I think that they're the only ones who know about TK. TK has Ken utterly cowed, and Ed, I think, imagines himself to be a great diplomat and mediator, and thus refuses to see the problem (after all, how could anything possibly go wrong on Professor Poor's watch?). EddyP (talk) 20:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

TK has been getting smacked around over at Wikipedia. I know that when that happens to Uncle Ed, he likes to come back to his little playground and torture the new editors. Of course, TK's an even bigger control freak than Ed, so I could see him doing the same. I think he just loves being hated. Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 20:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
We should all know by now that RobS needs TK so that he can change the RW/CP Articles on WP, so we should expect him to shut up about whatever TK is doing. ThiehMonitoring virgin birth experiment 20:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Karajou is a notoriously small man. I don't understand why you think he would have any scruples over what TK is doing. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I suppose they both think that the ends justify the means. (If we haven't got an article, we should have) If Right wing neofascism with Christ ends up winning, what does it matter what is sacrificed along the way? 20:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC) SusanGContribsTalk
TK wants oversight? With a 4 month-old account and 180 edits? He owes me a new keyboard. CS Miller (talk) 22:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)No he wasn't; his talk page wasn't clear, but digging through the wikiquette pages, TK was wanting a change oversighted. CS Miller (talk) 23:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Guy he blocked here, I sent him an email in the vain hope that there is actually some sort of logical reason for anything that dude does. I just wanted to be helpful and post a fact or two :( Booya (talk) 21:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

See, there's your problem, waving around your deceptive liberal "facts" and "helpfulness" - David Gerard (talk) 21:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
You're encountered TK ruse no. 2353: completely silence and ignore the opponent. He won't email you back, you can be sure of it.Webbtje (talk) 22:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
TK's just nasty. Even in his reply before when an editor asks about any terrorist RPGs: "Certainly, I guess it is too much for you to Google, eh? Modern Warfare 2 is one of them. But I am guessing you already knew that, and have read the article about it on Wikipedia, and just wanted to see if we knew what we were talking about?" I tried having an account there about a year ago and someone accused me of being rude when I pointed out something (not TK, some other long gone editor) but TK can go around making snide remarks to any new editor there? What a fucking liability that "man" is. SJ Debaser 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Better chance emailing Andy instead. And if you manage to get Andy to unblock you, TK probably won't reblock until you screw with Andy. ThiehZOYG I edit like Ken! 16:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

But Rob is director of counter-intelligence at CP (or something like that), a conspiracy theorist and decently suspicious to boot. Surely he doesn't believe any of the 'TK repents' stuff? Or does he think everything we say about TK is a cunning ploy to get rid of a valuable member of the team? Broccoli (talk) 23:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The only cunning ploy we ever succeeded in working together on was the Ides hoax, wherein by doing nothing but babble technogeekese we actually scared users of RW that we were going to kill the innertubes. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
HHJG L7FG BBDE 55DS 2UVG DDX4 KK8H MBBJ H74F LPL3. DogPMarmite Patrol 16:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Rob's doing TK's dirty work for him over at WP (and here, whenever he gets a chance). --Kels (talk) 00:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
In related news, Rob would like to be unblocked here (see this now archived thread) so he can continue to drag Wikipedia discussions to RationalWiki. Oh, but he's really just trying to help us, and we've been so terribly unfair, and he's never edited in bad faith anywhere, and we should show tolerance for diversity, and I should show more good faith, and I should be more neutral by arguing his case, and blah blah blah. --Sid (talk) 00:59, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm about ready to give Rob one last chance to be a part of our dysfunctional community, if he can learn to keep Wikipedia discussions at Wikipedia. What can I say? I'm a glutton for punishment. DickTurpis (talk) 01:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Please don't. I think he was blocked for lying about RW on the innertubes. Let the block stay. He used to a be sysop, but he abused our trust. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Let the current block run out, it's not like it's hurting his life or anything not being able to post here. If he wants to talk to us, he can Red Telephone it or send a friggin' email. Or, you know, he can not bother, since I've rarely seen him say anything here that wasn't (1) a clumsy attempt at baiting people, (2) WP-related harassment or (3) idiotic conspiracy theories done in stream-of-consciousness style. --Kels (talk) 03:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Sid, to be fair, if you have to say things such as "And my Wikipedia user talk page is not your forum to discuss blocks you received on RationalWiki." and not suggesting other means for him to spam you with, it's difficult for him to contact you elsewhere regarding blocks he received at RW. And if he manages to find you through other means (like knocking on your door) it just make things more creepy. Regarding the block, It's not terribly long anyways. Perhaps should we suggest him to unblock someone else at CP (This provoking TK) for a trade if he really want it to be in a hurry? ThiehCP≠Child Porn? 17:01, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
You forget one thing - standing up to TK involves having a spine. Something notably lacking when it comes to Karajerk, Smeg Ed and Red Rob. There's plenty of examples of them bad mouthing TK in the ZB and SDG archives, but they won't say peep to his face. --PsyGremlinHable! 17:25, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
@ K61824, Rob could use his Wp talk page. He could use the "email this user" function here. He could not care and wait it out. The exchange of hostages idea sounds like fun, of course. ħumanUser talk:Human 17:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Here's another nice "Welcome to CP, I know where you live!"img from TheKunt. PS. Why would any of this be an issue to Rob or Karajoujou? Rob's a dishonest suck-up twat, and Kaja's a parodist. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 22:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
he could be guessing the guy's location based on his name "JimFullerton", but TK's track record would suggest that he'd have abused CheckUser to confirm his location. By odd coincidence I recall some guy named Terry Koeckritz complaining about people linking his name to the online persona of some sociopathic fruitcake. Kind of rich considering his liberal usage of CheckUser. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about our sceptre 08:40, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Spring Whats this game "Spring", is it actually a game? I may not be the biggest game buff out there but I'm surprised I never heard of it. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 22:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

wp:Spring_(game_engine). Doubt that's the one they were thinking of... -- Nx / talk 21:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
That's all I could find too. I wondered if it were the engine used in Grand Theft Auto, or a publisher perhaps. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 22:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Read the source! They talk about this spring's biggest opening, not a game, but the season. The game was the latest GTA. --Opcn (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
a humorous misread by Andy. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 21:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
It's amusing to see Andy showing an interest in Video games just as Douglas almost completes his task of deleting everything video game related from CP. Andy, well done for noticing what's going on at your blog. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about our ooze 22:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Stupid as Andy is, I always thought he was at least basically literate. DickTurpis (talk) 22:02, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh he's literate - he can read and write to some degree, anyway. Problem remains that he simply can't process what he's read properly. The fact you call him 'basically literate' is pretty much spot on, actually: he can read and write to a basic enough standard, but judging by the amount of grammatical and syntactic butchery he commits, I doubt he's very much of a reader!Webbtje (talk) 22:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Gawd that is so funny! ħumanUser talk:Human 02:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey Doug, you missed one! --Kels (talk) 22:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

That one is an educational game considered appropriate for CP to include it not as pop culture. ThiehTK = Terry Koeckritz 01:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Eternal Forces is also notable for being one of the most poorly received games since ET on the Atari 2600, and like ET, it succeeded in financially crippling it's publisher. ConcernedresidentAsk me about our neurotoxin 06:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Awesome find, that's just a brilliant misreading of Andy! I had to add it as a WIGO. I didn't feel very inspired so it's a pretty bland description. Any improvement is more than welcome! --GTac (talk) 07:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

On another note, speaking of the source material, how is this guy even making that comparison with a straight face? Modern video games sell for $60. Movie tickets average between 10 and 12. When you divide out the differences, that comes to about 5 million, 166 thousand, 167 units for GTA. and about 4 million, 916 thousand, 967 individual ticket sales for Spiderman, which was hardly a record setter. GTA still sold more units, but it's not nearly the beatdown this guy is making it out to be. Not to mention, when you add the difference in audiences (Nobody buys a video game on its second weekend because they don't like a crowded living room) the comparison is further sunk..... Very strange. But back on topic, it is funny that Andy can't read for comprehension. How the hell did he get through law school? SirChuckBEl...ipses are Cool... 08:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
That is simply incredible. The Trustworthy Encyclopedia at its best. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 09:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Hilarious. Pure class. SJ Debaser 10:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
You know, I'm actually pretty flabbergasted by the fact that a Conservapedia article created by Andy Schlafly on the subject on video games does not contain any retarded statements with an agenda, like "All videogames train kids to rape and kill!" or "Videogames are made by liberals to get people to read the bible less!".. Seriously, we've seen time and again that that man will take ANY chance to get in a cheap shot (remember the news articles whenever some celebrity died?), quite often that cheap shot is the ONLY REASON why he creates an article... But nothing in an article on videogames? I'm astonished! --GTac (talk) 15:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Fantastic, that's an absolutely superb example of an old trait of theirs - skimming. Andy has failed at reading yet again. How can anyone trust any claim he might ever make about anything, when he doesn't ever read past the second sentence? Pompous twit. DogPMarmite Patrol 15:45, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Another thing that tickles me about this is that Andy is attempting to be some sort of "expert" on video games by file AC briefs and writing "encyclopedic content" about the genre. There are only a handful of sysops at CP that are "allowed" to find out about the error here and fix it there. Anyone else will be banned as a proofreader vandal site member or accused of nit-picking. Until then, it stays a shining example of Andy's phenomenally-low skill of reading comprehension and complete unfamiliarity with video games in general. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

GTac, don't worry, Mr Adams has ensured that the video game industry will forever be know as a liberal toolimg. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 01:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

More math from Andy

Uh-oh. Andy has been dabbling in mathematics again. In addition to his educational remarks about the set of aborted fetuses being a good illustration of mathematical set theory, he has created a few new articles, with modest edit comments about their clarity and conciseness.

There is transpose matriximg, with the description "simple and clear". Well, it's stubbiness almost rivals Ed Poor's ruminations on teenage girls and thisimg, but its clarity leaves something to be desired. The term, as a noun phrase, without "conjugate", is rather quaint. The usual phrase is "matrix transpose". He also fails to mention anything about why the transpose of a matrix might be interesting—things like inner products, adjoints, linear forms, and so on.

Then there's singular matriximg, a hodgepodge of jumbled thinking.

And there's eigenbasisimg, modestly self-described as "concise and clear". No explanation of the circumstances under which a complete set of eigenvectors might form a basis, or why such a basis might be useful.

It also happens that all the usual math contributors who haven't yet been banned (that set is identical to the set {JacobB, "professor" Ed Poor}) have been awfully quiet lately. Well, a new editor, Cpurcell, appeared, and attempted to improve the mathematicsimg article. He was, of course, banned for that by TK. For "Deliberate insertion of false information; lying." And his edits reverted. There was nothing wrong with those two edits. They show far more erudition than anything Andy could write. TK must be so terrified of math edits that he simply can't trust anything by anyone other than Andy. He apparently can't even ask JacobB.

The silence of JacobB and Uncle Ed make me wonder whether Andy has put out the word that nothing can be trusted anymore, and instructed TK to enforce same. Maybe one of my socky friends could go over there and test it.

Gauss (talk) 04:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I can understand TK's reasoning - he knows that the only people who join CP are parodists, vandals, and people who are dragged there by sysops (like Freedom777 or Robert Turkel). Since nobody stepped in to say "Thanks for following my invitation", it must've been a parodist! --Sid (talk) 10:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I have to say those articles are incredible. Before I read them I had a decent knowledge of matrices, how they can be used and what special operations you can perform. Now I'm just confused. I feel so sorry for whoever had to mark Andy's work during his college years. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 11:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
He worked as an electrical engineer for several years. WHAT. - David Gerard (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Strong chance that he couldn't find steady work. --Opcn (talk) 12:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

WTF Andy?

I'm starting to wonder if Andy isn't cracking up, or the façade is coming down on what a mean-spirited bigot he is. a right of the patients harmed by the distractions and germs to sue the homosexual visitors?img What about straight visitors with the flu, you cunt? Seriously, he's almost sounding hysterical by this point. --PsyGremlin話しなさい 18:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Go look at what he wrote about abortion/breast cancer, he is beyond cracked. --Opcn (talk) 18:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Wow... just wow... Children don't sue hospitals and try to intimidate others. Homosexuals do.img And what about the parents of children? --PsyGremlinSpeak! 18:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow. LindaLunch tries to appeal to "Christian charity" to let loved ones visit while the other is close to death. Andy respondsimg:

"Oh, what a joke that is: "Christian charity" ... by the lawsuit-wielding, never-satisfied homosexual activists??? Every aspect of the homosexual agenda is non-charitable and selfish. [Bold original]"

Of course he then goes on to threaten LindaLunch with banningimg. What a fucking bigot.--Night Jaguar (talk) 22:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Captured. TK already blocked her ("Trolling / Liberal Trolling: Time for this piggy to head to market....Oink!") –SuspectedReplicant retire me 23:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Saving for posterior

Whereimg TK (aka Terry Koeckritz) manages to show off his creepy checkuser skills and unrivalled status as a scumbucket all in one post. --PsyGremlinParlez! 18:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

And then Terry and Karajerk indulge in some mutual masturbation last wordism and saveimg the pageimg for posterior. And Terry manages to mention vandal site yet again. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 18:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I particularly like it because it shows the binary view of the world TK holds. Afterall, everyone knows that all 100,000 employees of AIG are rotten scumbags. Not a hard-working, Christian janitor or secretary in the lot who lost all of their savings to the mismanagement at the top, right? Right. --Leotardo (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Now I'm confused. I thought conservapedian conservatives thought that AiG and suchlike were heroes of unbridled capitalism, and showed just how the free market can self-regulate without communist liberal leftist socialist big-governments keeping an evil eye on them. But now they're slagging off AiG? DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 20:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm 15 and what is this? :P AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 20:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
The glass houses bit is surreal coming from a guy whose entire online identity is a hamhanded and easily detected leg pull. Nutty Roux (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

lol whut?

Attempted orchestration of mass identity theft? Does TK (I'm talking about Terry Koeckritz here, people) consider if what Fox News says makes sense before regurgitating it? What a silly question... — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:29, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm just really glad Apple isn't doing enough to keep porn off the distinctly porn-friendly iPhone. Thanks for letting me know what my rabid porn addiction already knew, Terryperson. Nutty Roux (talk) 21:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

J "Johnny Boy" patt

Is he a parodist, or just a genuinely fucked-up little man? I mean what the hell is this shit all about Evil Liberal Funded Projectsimg? Normally, using the phrase 'evil liberal' marks someone out as an over-zealous parodist, but in this case I'm not so sure. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 21:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes. He told me he is a deep cover parodist. Nutty Roux (talk) 21:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think he is a parodist. Based on his facebook profile, I take him as a typical redneck conservative. Keegscee (talk) 21:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I think someone once called JPratt a reverse Poe. Person so nutty that you think he must be a parodist, but sadly enough he's the real deal. Vulpius (talk) 23:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
It isn't projects that are funded by Evil Liberals, it's Evil Projects that are funded by liberals. Broccoli (talk) 00:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
It's been a long debate about whether or not lil Johnny boy is for real. Sadly, it would appear as if he really is a genuine fucktard. --PsyGremlinПоговорите! 17:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Taking the urine

Now. Andy is a bit of a male domestic fowl who fails to teach mathematics, but this twat shouldn't be allowed glue, let alone sharp things:

On another note, speaking of the source material, how is this guy even making that comparison with a straight face? Modern video games sell for $60. Movie tickets average between 10 and 12. When you divide out the differences, that comes to about 5 million, 166 thousand, 167 units for GTA. and about 4 million, 916 thousand, 967 individual ticket sales for Spiderman, which was hardly a record setter. GTA still sold more units, but it's not nearly the beatdown this guy is making it out to be. Not to mention, when you add the difference in audiences (Nobody buys a video game on its second weekend because they don't like a crowded living room) the comparison is further sunk.

Sphincter (talk) 21:06, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Any particular reason you started a new section for this? Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 01:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I should think it was the sudden realisation how really batshit Andy is. Sometimes you just have to shout from the top of a hill - or create a new section. 06:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC) SusanGContribsTalk
He's not trashing Andy. He's trashing SirChuckB. I'm just a bit curious as to why he chose to make this passive-aggressive maneuver rather than addressing SirChuckB directly. Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 18:47, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Misunderstood. 18:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC) SusanGContribsTalk

I started this because it was the latest in a long line of stuff by people who think they are cleverer than Andy but post like the moron he is. Passive aggressive? No, slightly aggressive. You male domestic fowl. Sphincter (talk) 22:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Calling a guy a twat without referring to him by name strikes me as pretty passive-aggressive, but whatever. Is there a particular reason why you find that comment so stupid? Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 23:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
No kidding. If you have a problem with my analysis, how about you state your actual objections rather than just make snide comments and reposting my material. Pull your head out of your username and stop trolling. PS, what the hell does Andy even have to do with that post? SirChuckBBoom Goes the Dynamite 07:11, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Best edit comment ever!

Very low-brow, and clearly nothing but an honest typo, but it made me laugh!img DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 23:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Andy is having a bad dayimg with edit comments. Keegscee (talk) 23:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Orthonormal eigenbasis as distinct from orthogonal eigenbasis?????? Andy, do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about? Give it up! Gauss (talk) 04:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Also strange is that each eigenthing has its own page... eigenvalue, eigenvector, eigenbasis, and there was eigenspace too until Douglas deleted it. Why not just give the definition of all the stuff together, given that there's only really one definition? We also find nullspace, nullity, kernel, rank, and image all on separate pages, when it would take all of a paragraph to define them coherently together. The whole linear algebra category is just a mess of stubs, half of them misleading at best. Wish I'd fixed it up a bit while I was there. --MarkGall (talk) 04:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Andy seems to be putting together a linear algebra page full of links, many of them red, to every phrase he can think of. He's going to get the spectral theorem written about? Who is he going to get to write these things? Foxtrot? "Professor" "99th percentile on math SAT's" Poor? You (MarkGall)? SamHB? Jaques? LemonPeel? Robert? DanielB? BRichtigen? Dieb? PatrickD? WilliamBeason? They're all gone! Only JacobB is left, and he appears to have been muzzled. And with TK reverting those few contributions that still happen, it doesn't look promising for Andy's linear algebra category to get filled out any time soon. Gauss (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Not as good as his classic, pseudo-Shakespearean "moare", but it'll do. DickTurpis (talk) 00:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
They can't have just one page because each page just references the others, if they all were put together then he would have to explain what they are, and he clearly doesn't understand that. --Opcn (talk) 06:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Because... Andy is prepping to give us the greatest lulz ever! "Critical Stupidity in Math"! ħumanUser talk:Human 07:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I admit I have not studied maths for the best part of 15 years, but I thought I had a fairly clear idea what eigenvalues and eigenvectors are. Having read the CP page I had to go to Wikipedia and read their page to check, and reassure myself that I wasn't going mad, because the CP descriptions completely confused me. Now this may, of course, be down to me being inept, but I'm not totally convinced that is the case :) Worm(t | c) 09:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Why do we care about Conservapedia?

Over the last month I've started to wonder why I'm paying attention to Conservapedia at all. Nevermind that their intellectual quality is moribund; that they continually raise arguments and points that are divorced from reality; that the things they say and write are so far removed from Christianity that they are arguably not Christian. Nevermind all that. What's troubling me is that I'm paying attention to a bunch of hacks and whack jobs who are not even taken seriously within the conservative movement. I might get some smug satisfaction in ridiculing and laughing at Conservapedians; but since they don't really matter: why do I care? Why do any of us?

I can see the early days of RW's focus on CP, when they were new and fun to taunt. As time as gone on, though, it really does seem like--as one person put it on here--punching children in the face. Every one of us could name ridiculousness both small ("a normal person's fist response isn't to litigate" - what Bizarro World America does TK live in?!) to large (the 'Ban fags from hospitals but nobody else' reasoning of Andy Schlafly). But so what? These guys don't matter. I also don't like Aryan Nation, the Hutarees or the Nation of Islam, but none of those groups matter, either. So...why am I stuck watching third-rate conservatives masking hatred in biblical verses?

Not really a point, as much as open fretting. --Leotardo (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

In the old days, you used to be able to pay a fee and go and laugh at the crazies in Bedlam. However, thanks to the internet in general, and CP in particular, we can laugh at the crazies for free. EddyP (talk) 14:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
(EC)For me, it's not so much the political persuasion of the place so much as the downright idiocy of the administrators though. Aryan Nation and Nation of Islam aren't enough in the public mainstream to be taken as acceptable, whereas Conservapedia is. They're something far closer to home, as far more people in the West would undoubtedly identify with being a conservative or fundamentalist Christian rather than an outright white supremacist (as with Aryan Nation). Not to mention the personal psychology behind Andrew Schlafly publicly making a twat out of himself, refusing to acknowledge defeat, blocking anyone that challenges him, and all the while claiming to be "rational." SJ Debaser 14:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I think I've made this point before, but I think people pay attention to it because Schalfly teaches. If it wasn't for this, he'd just be another whack-job on the internet, but the homeschooling brings the sad reality home for many people. Thus making it more a more compelling car crash. Scarlet A.pngtheist 14:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I rather think it depends on who you mean by "we". I've been around as long as anybody and I lost interest some time in 2008 I think.--BobSpring is sprung! 14:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, and I also enjoy the mocking (and I certainly enjoy reading the witty gems on this page), but I guess I'm...getting bored with CP? I would understand more so if this was, like, Newt Gingrich's Conservapedia. It would be more mainstream, and might actually have an impact. Instead, Koekritz, Schlafly, Poor et al. come across as Hutarees with a blog. It's incredibly delightful that they are willfully ignorant of how they come across (on the 'Best of the Public' article they actually use the Lenski dialogue as a victory for themselves - lulz). I dunno... I think that I am concerned that my intelligence, creativity and focus could be better spent on people and ideas that are actually having impact; as opposed to people who are generally disavowed (certainly rarely cited) by the movement of which they claim to be part. It's like focusing on Westboro Baptist Church as an actual threat to gay rights, when evidence is that the opposite is true. --Leotardo (talk) 14:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Personally I think it is a fascinating case study of the views of the Evangelical/Fundamentalist mindset here in America. There are a great many people who actually believe all the conspiracy theory and unsubstantiated, religiously motivated misinformation that is regularly featured on CP. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 17:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I find that interesting, too, particularly in the context of all the 'liberal deceit' they talk about. This seems relevant to the Conservapedia banhammer. --Leotardo (talk) 18:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Very good article. And as far as CP, while in some quarters here it may seem like an obsession, there are also people who spend all their time dealing with other loonies, some more and some less "influential". ħumanUser talk:Human 20:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
The "letters", or comments, are also very well worth reading, especially in the context raised here. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Funnily enough, I find it interesting from the other side of the pond where this kind of stuff is so wacko as to be laughable. Same with ASK. It's pretty much my only exposure to it. Ajkgordon (talk) 20:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
It's laughable on this side of the pond as well. Keegscee (talk) 20:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I feel as though CP is a few months ahead of the Teabaggers and Gop fundies--Thanatos (talk) 21:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Funny thing is, CP has literally no influence among the Tea Party set, they are generally ignored by conservatives of all stripes. Their Conservative Bible Project killed any goodwill the fundamentalists had towards them. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 12:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I care about mocking CP because these people are in MY country voting for who they think are "fit" leaders. I don't want idiots running my country and these people promote it --rational ghey (send a message) 21:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

For me it's a case of "Know your enemy". The American Conservative "mind" is beginning to appear in the UK and I want to be prepared. Plus, no matter how many times I think things are getting predictable over at CP, Terry Koeckritz and Ken always come up with something laughable. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 22:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
As Einstein said, stupidity is forever --rational ghey (send a message) 22:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Honestly speaking, I feel like CP is a good place to learn English. That is, if I got some other place to ask about it like here. K61824CP≠Child Porn? 00:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
For me, I started for the reason Armondikov mentioned - this was supposed to be a site for homeschoolers, and the thought of this being fed to them as "the truth" made me want to get in the mix and at least challenge some of the more onerous bullshit. As I sit on the sidelines now and watch others there, it makes me wonder why I even tried, but it was interesting while it lasted. As for Schlafly, he's still invited to places like Rutgers University to represent the conservative view on issues like healthcare, and it boggles me why anyone other than his mom and the CP sysops consider him a credible spokesman for conservatives. If he shows up anywhere I can get to, I'll be there to question him in person on the Schlafly Statistics and other B.S. he pretends is critical thinking. --SpinyNorman (talk) 02:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

For me it's the lulz and only the lulz. If CP didn't make me laugh on a regular basis I just wouldn't fucking bother. ONE / TALK 08:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

It's all lulz for me. Perhaps at some point CP had the potential to be a serious place for espousing conservative principles, but it quickly descended in to a nest of paranoia and lies in support of the personal gripes of its main bloggers. I do find it fascinating that they may actually believe what they write, and aside from comedy, the sole purpose of CP is to remind us of the dangers of uncritical thinking and unchecked power. I was thinking about Andy the other day and wondered how he'd behave if given real power to support his whacky views. Would be draw back from the brink or would he deal with "liberals" in the way that Stalin dealt with dissenters? I honestly don't know, since it depends on how sincere Andy is in his beliefs. He has clearly dehumanised everyone who disagrees with him, and that leads down a troubling path. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about our nuclear reactor 09:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
"I was thinking about Andy the other day and wondered how he'd behave if given real power to support his whacky views." - I was *just* imagining this exact same scenario the other day! Creepy. Thanks everyone, you put to rest muh frets. --Leotardo (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone know the names of the first editors that came from Conservapedia?

I'm writing a song for Conservapedia: Teh Musical called "Trolls on the Other Side" which is about ColinR getting CP editors on his side, I was wondering if anyone had the names, or could direct me to where i could find the names of these editors? If you could help, it would be very much appreciated. --Skeptical Moonbat is Skeptical (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

See here, and here. Many now gone.  :-( --BobSpring is sprung! 15:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
On the list in the second link, you'll see "Sid", on CP he was Sid3050, I believe. 23:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC) CЯacke®
As he is on wikipedia. I fixed the RWW page. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Aah, so that's why

(added reference tag so references show up)img. He's learning this wikitalk, isn't he? 19:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC) SusanGContribsTalk

He's also starting to sound like Ken. --IN SOVIET CANUCKISTAN, BEAVER DAMS YOU!!!YossarianThe Man from the USSR 22:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

this is going to be good

That Noah's Ark thing has sprung up againimg...perhaps they should try this link Jammy (talk) 21:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Omg dude put it up there. That is going to be AMAZINGLY funny! --rational ghey (send a message) 21:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
How many times now has the "Ark" been discovered in the Turkish mountains? Feels like four, but I think I'm underestimating. --YossarianSpeak, Memory 22:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Andy should demand to see the data behind the claims and request to be sent some of the beams. Acei9 22:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
There is no data, just a bunch of people in the putative structure taking photos. ThiehZOYG I edit like Kenservative! 23:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I read that carbon dating revealed that the wooden structure is ~5000 years old. That's right, the same carbon dating that YECs deny when determining the age of anything over ~6000 years. Keegscee (talk) 23:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Carbon14 was underage when the world was created and could not give consent to being in wood. 23:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC) C®ackeЯ
I wonder if they have checked it against the result given by Dendrochronology. K61824Ask me for relationship advice 00:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

regarding the facebook attention

Holy shit. I checked because my last edit took so long to process. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Still crunching numbers but it looks like the second wave of hits roughly doubled the previous spike which was several orders of magnitude greater than our usual traffic. About 40,000 people accessed our site on the 26th. tmtoulouse 05:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
For those of us not in the know, what's happening to draw in all this traffic? --Opcn (talk) 05:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Facebook, to one of our tumbleweeds articles. See Saloon Bar maybe? ħumanUser talk:Human 09:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Oops. Sore point!

"I notice your[sic] a Wikipedia Adminimg Says QK (real name & last initial?) to Ed. 05:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC) SusanGContribsTalk

Thatimg was surreal. Where's the fucking magic capture button in the edit box? I cam't spel camture enouf to do it ħumanUser talk:Human 09:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Fank yoo Keegees ħumanUser talk:Human 09:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
That is going to be a sore point in CP Land, they live for their Alexa rating. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 11:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Latest Canada WIGO

I'm not sure the latest WIGO quite captures the insanity of Ken's news post. I understand Wayne Gretzky is from Canada and I understand he is arguably the best hockey player of all time (I personally think Mario Lemieux was better in his prime), but what does "the Wayne Gretzky of Canadian creation science" even mean? Is he referring to himself? Please, someone help me understand. Keegscee (talk) 09:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Ken is just ill. He really needs to see his doctor, and TAKE HIS FUCKING MEDS! ħumanUser talk:Human 09:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
It's baffling, but he does have a fairly high opinion of himself. I'm confused by the YouTube link in the edit comment. Any idea why he'd link to a fairly uneventful video of a train? --ConcernedresidentAsk me about our nob 09:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
My guess is that he thinks the anti-evolution and anti-abortion movements are like runaway trains: once they start, they can't be stopped. Keegscee (talk) 09:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Would have been more apt if the video featuring Ken, on a moped, racing through the crossing in the belief that trains do not actually exist. Sure I'd feel some sympathy for him, but the only purpose Ken could possible serve is as a cautionary tale. Kids, eat your greens and stay in school or you'll end up like Ken! --ConcernedresidentAsk me about our osteoporosis 10:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Minor point, but he spelled Gretzky's name in two different ways in the same headline! First he spells it "Gretzky" then spells it "Gretsky". (talk) 11:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I,m not gonna go diff hunting, but sometime last year Conservative was giving shout-outs to some Canuck YEC blogger, part of one of the "Operations." That guy was the Gretzky reference... P-Foster (talk) 13:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the funniest part is the general "Screw CP, it's MY ARTICLES that matter!" tone to the whole thing. CP is merely an annoying necessity to getting his own work known far and wide. --Kels (talk) 14:22, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Should we get Gretzky to file a lawsuit against CP for using his name inappropriately? K61824What is going on? 14:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)