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Someone take a screenshot this time! Uchiha 13:28, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Done. NorsemanWassail! 13:40, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
Ok, thanks - I'll chill the fuck out now. I've seen what happens to those pages before, though, so I was hoping to see it preserved despite their best efforts. Uchiha 13:43, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
Thank you Norseman! I was really worried that we wouldn't catch the monumental occasion of someone editing an open wiki! ZOMGROFLCOPTER1! Lurker 01:07, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
Gee, I didn't even upload it. Don't have a carapace hemorrhage. NorsemanWassail! 17:29, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
Lurker, you are a mutated hydralisk overvalued by n00bs. Although I can't resist your intense area of effect underground spine damage.-αmεσ (spy) 01:12, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
Hmmm, perhaps my starcraft reference was unnoticed.-αmεσ (spy) 01:37, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
I noticed the reference, but not being a StarCraft fan I didn't get the reference. Lurker 00:46, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Assfly = nutjob part deux (notice the liberal french)

If he were to simply say, "Oxford has created a professorial position for Dawkins, showing their hand as a typical academic bastion of liberal atheism" then all would be done with. He as a serious perseveration problem. I mean, what a fucking tool. 14:30, 21 October 2007 (EDT)PalMD

Frontal lobe degeneration. tmtoulouse nettle 17:20, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Conservative's million hits

Uh, RW gets more traffic than the his previous two big hitters need to aim a little higher Ken. tmtoulouse nettle 17:09, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Really? We get more than AmericansForTruthiness? Win.-αmεσ (spy) 17:21, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
For what it's worth. tmtoulouse nettle 17:23, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
Gee, maybe he should post on Andy's page, boasting that we link to him! XD --Kels 17:33, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
Seems TK had the same thought, and challenged Kenservative about the HUGE TRAFFIChis whacko sites will bring, on Dawkins talk. -- --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 08:02, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Conservative's been at it (Jam tomorrow that is) since at least April: Quote:

[edit] request I sent a letter of assistance regarding our abortion articles to right to life groups and I sent about 40 emails. Keep an eye on my user discussion page for people saying they are interested in being Admins/SYSOPS. Look at their edits and promote them to Admins if you think it is warranted. Here is my discussion page: Conservative 22:35, 14 April 2007 (EDT)conservative

(couldn't sort out the diff!) Alright the old hands knew, but it's news to some. Susantalk to me 12:02, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

New Dawkins revert war

Wait, do I see this correctly? Conservative basically sides with Order, Oppen, and who else not? Priceless! Really priceless! --Sid 18:30, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Update in the light of the recent Wheel War: TK, Conservative, thank you both for doing this exactly during my short online time today. :) --Sid 18:41, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Yes, that's what you see :-) -αmεσ (spy) 18:46, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

I'll be honest, as bad, and indeed defaming, the material is, I agree with TK about leaving it in unless Andy publicly says so. After all, he's had a very public, very long argument defending that information tooth and nail, to have someone just come along and strike it out is a bit of an insult to the blog owner senior administrator, who has made sure the place identifies with his views. Although that means he has to deal with the worst of Ken's stubborn/OCD nature, and his desire to excise anything that doesn't fit with his self-promotion. --Kels 18:55, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Amazing how they (Andy and Conservative in this case) can break so many of their own commandments and policies on just one article, yet lowbie users get blocked for the dumbest of reasons. Its like Richard Dawkins only had to exist just to defeat them. NorsemanWassail! 19:52, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

I have to wonder when Andy will finally realize how worthless Ken is? Will it be here? Now? Or tomorrow?-αmεσ (spy) 20:01, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Ken may have overstepped his bounds this time. Running afoul of TK is one thing, but taking out the words Andy has staked his credibility on, that's an insult. That, and I wonder if Andy will eventually get tired of Ken's "jam tomorrow" promises. --Kels 20:10, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
not enough "jam". That's why I gave up on Mick Jagger... humanUser talk:Human 20:49, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Wow, Ken must have gotten his ass kicked behind the scenes, he's removing all traces that he objected to Andy's "content". I think it might be a while before he starts coming here to pimp for "his" Dawkins article, huh? --Kels 21:35, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

My guess is that Conservative realized that the professorship issue does the article more harm than good. He might fear that it could undermine the credibility of "his" article, and wants it to be in good a good shape when it is featured by the international press. Tohuvavohu 23:09, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
My guess is that Conservative is trying his level best to be the first man banned from Wikipedia, Conservapedia and Creation Wiki for pushing "intelligent design". --Jeeves 23:38, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
He's still active on CW...-αmεσ (spy) 23:56, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Holy crap, this is awesome. Revert war causing collateral damage left and right, and then DanH makes sure that it gets personal. Slink 01:52, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

DanH or TerryH? -- --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 02:35, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Uh, that second one. Slink 12:54, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Has anyone noticed that the Assfly has avoided the Dawkins talk page for the last two days? I think I see a pattern here. Andy gets his ass kicked in the Franklin discussion, stops posting to it, then it gets archived and he hopes everyone forgets about it. I suspect this is what he is doing on the Dawkins page, although I imagine that he is seething over Kenservative's suggestions to use Fischer.--Franklin 09:56, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
I actually feel badly for Ken. TK's handing his ass to him. Hard. And for once, Ken's actually right. This is what happens when far-right conservatives get together: the authoritarianism and suspicion that attend far-right political beliefs never mix well together... and kudos to Ken for thinking for himself.-αmεσ (spy) 09:57, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
The strange thing is that loyal conservapedians probably agree with TK. Never mind that Ken has a sound logical argument for once. If it means Andy has to admit he was wrong, they simply cannot have that.--Franklin 10:22, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

For shame on TK, AmesG and Franklin! Ken right? Ken logical? Too many trees for all of you to see? Can "logic" be selectively applied? Anyone have socks to burn and care to try and force Kenservative to apply his new-found logic to TOE? To all of the "Gay Disease" articles? To any article he has ever touched? Now that would be amusing! I don't see TK disagreeing with the methodology Ken proposes, but more being mocking of Ken. -- --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 12:17, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

All I can see is that in this context at least, Conservative is making perfect sense for once, while TK is basically trying to subordinate methodology to an appeal to authority. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 12:34, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Hate quite often stops people from seeing the obvious. That isn't good methodology either. -- --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 12:39, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Having gone through the whole debate it's quite obvious that Conservative is in the right. TK's approach of "It must be right because Andy said so" is so obviously, blatantly wrong that it must be alienating any few reasonable editors they have.--Bobbing for apples 12:45, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
What a curious comment, NightTrain. I certainly don't hate anyone at CP (why should I?) - I rather regret that they're unable to expand their impossibly narrow worldview and come join the rest of us in the real world. That's beside the point, however. The point is that Conservative has, at least on the surface, unexpectedly decided to join the choir of reason, while TK and the rest of the Godspeed Squad are scrambling around to preserve Andy's aura of infallibility, as usual. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 12:49, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
I have to admit that I am surprised to find that I agree with Kenservative about anything. I was stunned when I read his argument for applying the standards of historiography to the Dawkins discussion. I know, he does have this very weird fixation about homosexuality which makes me wonder about the boy.--Franklin 14:23, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Curious comment, AKjeldsen? Did you perhaps think I was addressing you personally? Sorry, I wasn't. One cannot logically find anything positive in what Ken is doing, and claim to be rational. Why? Well, DUH!! Because he isn't practicing what he is preaching anywhere else! I checked, and don't see the "reason" some of you are praising, displayed on all his other locked articles. Therefore he is using a ploy, a red herring. Practicing deceit if you will. I find it difficult to muster any praise for Kensevative, simply because if there is any "right" in what he is doing, it is totally for the advancement of his personal agenda, not in honour of collaboration or consideration of his fellow editors. --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 18:39, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Ken fellating homophobes in exchange for links

Ken's now fellating this guy, a graduate from barely-accredited Regent Law. Awesome.-αmεσ (spy) 19:31, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Probably brain damaged/punch drunk. Susanspeak your mind 19:40, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
That is one of the guys, they other one is LaBarbera, who Ken is altering articles for, in exchange for linkage! Take a good look at Homosexual. It is like a hero whorship site for LaBarbera, complete with pictures and links. I wonder if Assfly is just too stupid to pick up on it. --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 21:04, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Doesn't ashfly hate teh gheys too, though? (I put in a new header) humanUser talk:Human 21:07, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

LaBarbera, didn't he make up Fred Flintstone? --Kels 21:08, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Hey.... where IS Aschlafly around all this?-αmεσ (spy) 21:10, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Lying [on the down] low. --Kels 21:17, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Torn, I am willing to bet, therefore hiding under the bed. ;-) --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 21:20, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Tk still doesnt understand IPs

One of the things that cought my eye with tk vs ken was the ip block. Looking at the logs, I see several xxx.yyy.0.0/22 and xxx.yyy.0.0/24 blocks. I thought he learned how to properly do ip blocks. As it stands, those blocks were completely ineffecive. How did he ever get block rights an completely and consistently mess up ip blocks? --Shagie 00:08, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

I thought the only ones that worked were 0.0/32 or so. At least, that's what I do on RW when I'm bored... Like, you ca tell I don't know what I'm talking about, but you know what I mean. humanUser talk:Human 03:50, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
Sub header should be re-titled "Shagie never understood IP blocks".  :P ----Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 05:52, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
No, actually Shagie's most likely right. I suggest people check Conservapedia:IP blocks and the linked sources again. Range blocks are highly unintuitive, though, so tripping up is no biggie (God knows I did it often enough myself).
"x.y.0.0/24" blocks "x.y.0.0 - x.y.0.255", which is correct only if the third digit really is "0" in the range TK wanted to block (I have no idea if that is true true or false, but there is a 255/256 chance that it's false).
The "x.y.0.0/22" block is a fairly odd range. Lemme check... "x.y.0.0 - x.y.3.255" (1,024 IPs)
Block ranges ending in ".0.0" are usually the overkill-ish /16 blocks (the toughest MediaWiki allows unless you patch the software), which cover "x.y.0.0 - x.y.255.255" (65,536 IPs).
So it's fairly unusual to have /24 blocks for a ".0.0" IP. /24 blocks usually have a non-zero third digit. --Sid 07:50, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

And that makes it right, in saying 0.0/22 and /24 would not block the Syracuse library terminal IP he uses, how? --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ

Well, I don't really know (or care) what IP Conservative used on that particular day, so I can't say if it was a correct block or not. However, if the third digit was larger than three, it was not a correct block. Not having access to CheckUser, I can only say that (1) TK has made quite a few "x.y.0.0/24" blocks and (2) the mere odds of Conservative having an IP with a 0, 1, 2, or 3 in the third block are quite low (4/256 to be exact).
That's why I said that Shagie was most likely right. I can't be 100% certain since I lack info, but I can make educated guesses and tell people how range blocks work. ...not like my schedule actually allows me to do more these days... --Sid 20:31, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
Very understandable, Sid. Thanks. If people here know something isn't right, and it screws with Kenservative, perhaps they should be contacting the sysops there and making sure they get it right? -- --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 20:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
He seems perfectly capable of screwing himself right now. --Jeeves 03:00, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Now that I am back on a proper desktop ... I would have tried telling CP sysops (TK) that he messed up the IP on CP... and while he has unblocked my name, the places I was on vacation at were blocked (and my home and work are still blocked too). Intresting, the rural midwest dsl where I was staying on vacation was blocked as part of a university four states away. Must have been one of those early /16 blocks. Contacting CP sysadmins is difficult at best, and sometimes they read about it hear as we laugh at them and fix things.

Typically (in every network I have been part of), low bytes in IP addresses are routers and networks used by routers or other network wide resources (important servers). This is often because of the mnemonics of low numbers - its easier to remember XXX.YYY.2.6 than it is to remeber XXX.YYY.45.101. This is not always the case, but it is the convention that network admins tend to use. A quick poke with nslookup shows that is ''. is (the name server). This fits with the conventions that you would see in a network. And so, it is very doubtful that anyone would have a PC connected to 128.205.0.XXX. Even the /22 block likely missed, the closest I could find to a library machine was at (though this sits on the same network as which is likely another server, so this looks like another server subnet, which again is how a network would be organized). I would find it very unlikely that there would ever find someone logging in from an IP that shows up in a XXX.YYY.0.0/22 ip range, much less the XXX.YYY.0.0/24 ip range. --Shagie 01:35, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Steven45 and "God's Plan"

Assuming for the moment that this guy isn't Icewedge under deep cover, this quote really ground my gears:

If God in his infinite wisdom has justification for global warming than man should not attempt to alter his almighty plan. God has created every man, animal and flower on this planet and if (like the dinosaurs from 8000 B.C.) he sees a reason to remove them, we should not question his divine authority.

What a steaming load of produce. Humans have altered God's plan PLENTY of times. We've wiped out passenger pigeons, European lions, and dodos. We've levelled mountains, made deserts bloom, turned forests into wastelands, and changed the course of rivers, for our own convenience. We've sent living people into the airless depths of space and the bottom of the oceans and BROUGHT THEM BACK ALIVE, and we've defied the plagues that God so painstakingly crafted to torment us with such heathen accomplishments as penicillin and antisepsis, and if God has a problem with THAT, he's welcome to say it to my face. We've turned night into day with electric lights, and we've turned wolves into dogs! Thud, we've even made it possible for two idiots on opposite sides of the Earth to yell at each other, using this obviously un-Biblical "intarwebs"! Is he prepared to give all these up, just because God might disapprove? --Gulik 00:29, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I saw Steven45's initial edits and I was sure that he was a parodist. I'm still pretty convinced. I'm much more shocked that he wasn't banhammered. --Edgerunner76 07:23, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
What is this 8000 BC crap? Everyone knows that the Earth was created in 4004 BC! Sheesh! ollïegrïnd 07:33, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
That's more to my point. But, YECs do seem to often say "6,000 to 10,000 years" for the age of the Earth. --Edgerunner76 07:44, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Sometimes the best way to stay hidden is to hide in plain sight. They're not too bright over there when it comes to satire. Jrssr5 09:48, 23 October 2007 (EDT)


It's us again. Aren't we just great? Uchiha 17:00, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Quick! Someone contact clueless TK and show him how to get around the CP spam filter! :D -- --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 18:42, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
He can read it here I'm sure. Just replace the l with a 1 (L with one), or sumpin'. humanUser talk:Human 18:55, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

The Conflict Seeps

Is this how the end begins? Will the wrestling of the great powers-that-be spread and tear the site in twain? Probably not, but it's good fun to watch. Uchiha 20:35, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm just amazed at how Ken just plain doesn't get it. He single-mindedly continues to do what he's always done, apparently unaware that there's any problem. And I'm not sure if him bragging about yet another exploit to gain page views to TK is an insult or just cluelessness. --Kels 21:06, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
More than one sysop and editor there have told me they think Ken exhibits many traits of Autism. Like that tunnel vision obsessiveness, and inability to change topics easily, etc. Might be something to that..... --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 21:12, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
I don't wanna go that far, and attribute diseases/maladies to him other than, well, your typical creationist delusions... I think he's just obsessive.-αmεσ (spy) 21:17, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
I think it has been proven many times over that being a sysop on CP aggravates, if not causes, mental illnesses. Just as editing on RW can cure, or at least provide a healthy outlet for, them. I thought Ken was more OCD, but then, I don't follow his every move... Heh, I just remembered, he blocked me for a month once for deleting one of his cut'n'paste quote mine sections... ah, them's were the good ole daze! humanUser talk:Human 21:19, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Welcome to the zone where normal things do not happen very often. Amazing. Someone should turn this into a play. Tohuvavohu 22:04, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I think if anyone has some sort of mental disorder along those lines its RobS. The fact that he takes very simple statements and repeats them back in some mangled form nothing like how they originally appeared could be intentional, but it has all the signs of someone who can read, but can't quite grasp what he's reading. There's countless examples of him completely misconstruing comments made by others. I suppose it's more likely that his defense when he knows he has no logical response is to intentionally ignore any questions asked and instead address an issue completely off topic (under the illusion that he can't lose an argument if he refuses to participate in it), but I'm starting to give this mental disorder theory a bit of creedence. DickTurpis 01:09, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Kiss Kiss, Bang Bangalore?

While following the TK vs. Conservative deathmatch, I noticed something slightly odd on TK's user talk page, a link to a golfing community north of Bangalore. Is TK seriously considering splashing upwards of half a million bucks on some house in a upper class white twit resort? Doesn't he know that all the cool kids live in Aamby Valley City? Doesn't he know that half the people in Karnataka proudly display the hammer and sickle on the back of their vehicles?

Well, I suppose we can only hope he's kidnapped by marxist guerillas. Goatspeed, TK, enjoy the golf and if you ever see me in the nineteenth hole of the Sankey Road golf course, you have my permission to shoot me. --Jeeves 23:55, 23 October 2007 (EDT)