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== First DC, now Maine ==
 
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::::It's preemptive. The probably see it as a security concern, having tons of unused accounts with presumably stupid-simple passwords is just inviting a security breach (even if there is nothing to really secure). {{User:Neveruse513/Sig}} 13:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 
::::It's preemptive. The probably see it as a security concern, having tons of unused accounts with presumably stupid-simple passwords is just inviting a security breach (even if there is nothing to really secure). {{User:Neveruse513/Sig}} 13:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  
== Andy saying something good about Ron Paul?==
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== Andy saying something good about Ron Paul? ==
  
 
Did Andy just say something [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageright&curid=85316&diff=660986&oldid=660889 good] about someone who is not a social conservative?  While Paul's foreign policy was stupid his domestic policy (i.e. if it's not in the Constitution the Fed doesn't do it) was great and against everything Andy stands for since you can't ban gay marriage (the Constitution just says the states have to honor contract made in other states) and you can't ban abortion (the Constitution doesn't talk about kids or pregnant ladies at all)--[[User:BoredCPer|BoredCPer]] 02:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 
Did Andy just say something [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageright&curid=85316&diff=660986&oldid=660889 good] about someone who is not a social conservative?  While Paul's foreign policy was stupid his domestic policy (i.e. if it's not in the Constitution the Fed doesn't do it) was great and against everything Andy stands for since you can't ban gay marriage (the Constitution just says the states have to honor contract made in other states) and you can't ban abortion (the Constitution doesn't talk about kids or pregnant ladies at all)--[[User:BoredCPer|BoredCPer]] 02:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Uh oh, looks like my CP sock is an outlier! [[User:Jorge|Jorge]] 13:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 
::Uh oh, looks like my CP sock is an outlier! [[User:Jorge|Jorge]] 13:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Sourciness ==
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Seriously, now I understand the people who think Andy might be the deepest cover parodist of them all.  He's citing ''Roy Edroso'' as a blogger who benefitted by Conservapedia?  Seriously?  Has he ever ''read'' Edroso before? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:If it ever comes out that Assfly is a parodist, I swear I will build a monument so tall that the Christian god will have to strike it down for fear of me reaching heaven. {{User:Neveruse513/Sig}} 17:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Can someone elaborate on the latest mystery? ==
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It seems to have great potential.
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[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Greatest_Mysteries_of_World_History&curid=83020&diff=661359&oldid=654040 Did the space program really develop teflon?] {{unsigned|Neveruse513}} 18:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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NASA [http://www.nasa.gov/missions/science/f_apollo_11_spinoff.html said they didn't], why are they being so deceitful? {{unsigned|Neveruse513}} 18:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Because they're dirty liberals, that's why.  {{User:Z3ro/sig}} 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::This is actually getting to me...what the fuck is Andy thinking? Is there anyone, anywhere that disputes that Teflon was invented by DuPont? Does Andy think NASA really invented it? Why??? Where did he get this idea? I can't find anything. This is making me ask more than ever...Is Andy really totally fucking insane? {{unsigned|Neveruse513}} 18:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::Not insane, just out-of-date. It used to be commonly believed that NASA invented teflon, just as it was commonly believed that Columbus was the first european to cross the Atlantic. this just adds to my belief that andy is spouting whatever he picked up at school. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] 18:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::Wow, I just read the conversation about the Gunpowder Plot, which he entirely hinges on misinterpreting ''one word'' in [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dictionary-History-Oxford-Paperback-Reference/dp/0192801058 the primary reference] for his "history" lectures.  My head hurts. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 18:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:All of his "mysteries" are based on the simple proposition that these are things to which Andy's definitive answer is "it's a mystery."  Solutions are not wanted.  At least people seem to get banned less from providing information to the contrary.  Andy also might be gathering his view on Teflon from FWDs that he gets from his mom. -[[user:Lardashe|Lardashe]]
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::Gawd, it started somewhere (WHL?), with someone pointing out that Teflon predates the formation of NASA by twenty years.  Why on earth Andy didn't just look it up and correct it is anyone's guess. {{User:Human/sig|}} 19:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::Cause Teflon isn't in the dictionary he uses?  How else shoudl he know it ever existed?--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 19:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::: Jesus Christ, this takes literally 10 seconds to find on the web. Is this the type of exemplary scholarship we should expect from a history teacher? [[User:Netharian|Netharian]][[User_Talk:Netharian|<sup>Cubicles are prisons!</sup>]] 02:43, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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===Les regrets===
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ROTFLMBFAO!!! I was reading the link above, about teflon, and found the "greatest mysteries of the world" happened to include the "mystery" of when "regret" become self-centered.  I mean, let's set aside that this isn't a mystery, since we can look at it's use and document specifically when change occurred... but that it's a *great* mystery??????  GREAT?  I mean, what makes life, alive?  How did the guide lines in Mexico work.  How exactly do you get all those huge rocks that build the pyramid onto the top of the pyramid... but the word "regret?"--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 19:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Well, I can't answer the others, but the mystery of the pyramids is easy, Red Dwarf has already provided the answer: ''"They had massive whips, Rimmer. Massive, massive whips."''--[[User:Stunteddwarf|199.20.64.195]] 19:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Heh.  Actually, I've watched some pretty amazing shows with modern archeologists trying to recreate how some of these ancient works were built.  None are trying to buy into the "aliens did it" theory, but to this day, there are many "mysteries" of ancient stone work that simply confound our modern scholars.  :D  By the way, I was reading the etymology of regret, and like everythign else andy does, he based his entire argument on *one* reading out of webster, that said "old french for: to cry, to mourn", and decided the word had changed.  rolls eyes.--{{User:WaitingforGodot/sig1}} 19:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::"Greatest Mysteries of the World" would better be titled "a collection of crackpot conspiracy theories and misunderstandings". However, I for one love it for it's lulz. [[User:Silver Sloth|Silver Sloth]] 19:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::Incidentally, the Online Etymology Dictionary dates regret to 1300 and says it's from the old French regreter "long after, bewail, lament someone's death" - so the answer is probably never. [[User:Silver Sloth|Silver Sloth]] 19:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::"Would there be sin if God had never made Woman? ". Fall down nods knowingly in Andy's direction. [[User:Taytopacket|Taytopacket]] 19:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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I feel certain that we could do a mini side-by side on his "mysteries". Couldn't we? {{User:Toast/sig}} 19:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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: the pryramids were poured concrete at least near the top. They carried buckets of mix up the sides and poured them into a wooden mold. Either that or magnetic levitation. The interwebs seem conflicted [[User:Hamster|Hamster]] 19:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Looking through the list, there are only a couple that are really very mysterious, or even worth asking.  The pyramids still have some details that haven't been worked out, although we have a general idea these days.  The Sphinx one is interesting when it comes to "why".  Maybe the Tunguska although that seems more or less settled too. Everything else is either easily answered like the Teflon one, nonsense like the one about sin and women, or a complete waste of time, like almost anything Andy writes. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 20:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::Maybe the answer to the question of why the Sphinx, is "why not?".--[[User:Stunteddwarf|199.20.64.195]] 21:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::: Egypt's answer to the age old question: "What do you get for the god-king who has everything?" This of course was before the invention of DVD box sets. --{{:User:JeevesMkII/sig}} 22:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::So in an alternate history, archeologists would be debating over why they made the third season of ''Heroes''? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Heroes in hieroglyphs.  The thought has some appeal.--[[User:Stunteddwarf|199.20.64.195]] 00:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::::I always thought the Sphinx was A, a wonderful way to show off the wealth and ability of the country responsible and B, representative of the Greek Legends, where the Sphinx killed all those unable to answer her question.  Oh, and it was supposed to protect the Pharohs Tombs or something like that. {{User:SirChuckB/sig}} 07:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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== JLauttamus ==
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TK&curid=86006&diff=661372&oldid=660455 Sorry Wesley, but TK won't fall for this.] You'll have to try harder than that to get your devious sock unblocked so you can continue your subversive categorising. [[User:EddyP|EddyP]] 19:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Abusing multiple accounts is just more proof that he's a liberal troll. {{unsigned|Neveruse513}} 19:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::I don't see how Wesley would even ''think'' TK would fall for that- it's his first edit. And his e-mail isn't disabled. --{{User:Arthropleurus/sig}} 20:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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This is what I don't get.  Lauttamus and I have had edit conflicts before, which would mean that we are at two separate IPs.  Assuming we use the same provider, which covers most of Western PA and parts of Ohio and West Virginia, TK has essentially blocked all Comcast users in the applicable area.  Furthermore, he created his account well before I did, so how could hebe a sock of me?  If anything it would be in reverse.  Don't you think?  I did send JL an email via aSK to let him know what was up, obviously because our email is in fact blocked at CP.  I also emailed TK (I had his email address from previous correspondence) and he certainly didn't seem to believe me.  Well, to hell with it.  I give up.  Sorry JLauttamus, wherever you are.  {{user:Aboriginal Noise/sig}} 21:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Yet another editor chased off.  If memory serves, JL generally spent his time contributing to the actual articles in a non-ridiculous manner.  CP continues to implode.  [[User:Corry|Corry]] 03:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Yeah, generally he edited the biology articles.  And he did write some sports-type pages as well.  {{user:Aboriginal Noise/sig}} 05:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::He is now unblocked.  Glad to see it!  {{user:Aboriginal Noise/sig}} 21:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::On double secret probation, I bet. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 22:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Moar Hitler ==
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It's bad enough the student suggested it in the first place, but Andy's [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=World_History_Homework_Twelve_Answers_-_Student_Thirteen&diff=prev&oldid=661315 endorsement] of Hitler ''literally having a pact with Satan'' makes me raise my eyebrows about two feet straight up.  Seriously, Andy?  Is that your final answer? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 20:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Are you surprised that a biblical fundamentalist wouldn't believe that? [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] 20:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:: By journal does he mean the long discredited Hitler diaries hoax? I can't say I've ever read them, but I can't imagine Hitler ever claimed to have made a pact with the devil. --{{:User:JeevesMkII/sig}} 20:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::I liked answer 4. {{User:Human/sig|}} 20:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::: "Yo, bitch. You're even more batshit crazy than me! 100/100!" --{{:User:JeevesMkII/sig}} 20:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Andy probably believes Satan is a man with horns and a red jumpsuit, too. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 20:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::::For those of an English persuasion (and with an interest in the beautiful game) I'll just point out the '''red''' jumpsuit.  It's always red, isn't it?  Ok, occasionally black, but mostly red.  And never, ever, ever, blue.  I'm just pointing it out.  Red = evil.  Blue = good.  Simple. [[User:Toffeeman|Toffeeman]] 21:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::Unless of course we're talking about Republicans. How did the GOP ever let blue become the colour of the Democratic party rather than the commie pinko red (My choice of colour for curtains!) I will never understand. [[User:Vulpius|Vulpius]] 23:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Oh AndyBaby-- Hitler said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in 'My New Order.' Not sure who it was a pact with... [[User:Jimaginator|Jimaginator]] 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::I'm on Andy's side, if ''anyone'' has ever made a pact with Satan, metaphorical or otherwise, it was teh Führer; besides Andy should know...how else does a site like CP get 80 million views? '''[[user:Jorge|<font color="Red">Jorge</font>]]'''{{User:Jorge/sigtalk|}} 21:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::: Clickbots, my dear. Never attribute to the supernatural what can be adequately explained by malice. --{{:User:JeevesMkII/sig}} 21:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::No, no, no. Flames and pointy sticks might have been all the rage downstairs in the old days, but nowadays Hell makes sinners read CP as punishment. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] 21:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::So Andy's a subcontractor? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 22:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::: Conservapedia Fund Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Hell Enterprises PLC. --{{:User:JeevesMkII/sig}} 22:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::Andy, if you believe that, I'll help you find the Lost Ark.--[[User:Nate River|Nate River]] 23:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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13 days till I pick the model answers due to the lack of edit from Assfly.  {{User:k61824/Sig|}} 02:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Ed Poor shows his geographic expertise ==
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<s>From the man who renamed North Korea - [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Republic_of_China&curid=15575&diff=661398&oldid=661396 Taiwan is an island, not a country.] Fucking moron</s>. Errrrrrr, hmmm my mistake. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace McWicked]][[User_Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>Disco Jesus</sup>]] 22:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Speaking of Creepy Ed, oh to be an attendee at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki-Conference_2009&diff=prev&oldid=288720595 that talk]. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 22:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Hopefully it will end up on teh utoobz? {{User:Human/sig|}} 23:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::""The limits of neutrality"?  Hmmmm, I'll take a wild stab and say between 34 and 66.  You know when you've gone too far, you lose all those funky Druid spells.--[[User:Stunteddwarf|199.20.64.195]] 00:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Since when did Ed Poor [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Taiwan&oldid=661399 learned how to type in Chinese] (He is the only editor)?  Both Simplified and Traditional?  Or is it another blatant plagiarism attempt?  {{User:k61824/Sig|}} 02:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Eh, he probably copied it from wikipedia. {{User:Human/sig|}} 03:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::LOL.  Human, stop being [[Conservapedia:Blatant plagiarism|so]] [[Conservapedia:Differences with Wikipedia|sarcastic]].  {{User:k61824/Sig|}} 03:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::Anyone know how to get those characters to display on XP Firefox? '''[[user:Jorge|<font color="Maroon" face=Palatino>Jorge </font>]]'''{{User:Jorge/sigtalk|}} 04:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::You gotta download various Asian character sets, basically. Edit: there are help pages on wikipedia to guide you. {{User:Human/sig|}} 04:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::::Thanks, human. {{User:Jorge/sig|}} 13:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::Is it Ed who claimed to be, if not fluent, at least capable in Korean? Given his moonishness it seems likely & he chased Jessica all over (definitely nothing to do with her being a nubile<sup>''[presumably]''</sup> young female) so he seems to have a thing for the Far East generally. {{User:Toast/sig}} 13:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::Of course Ed is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=China&action=history good at] [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Traditional_Chinese&action=history both] [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Simplified_Chinese&action=history Chinese] (He didn't edit at all) and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Korea&diff=75508&oldid=62221 Korean] (his only edits shown, which does not have any typed characters in Chinese or Korean).  I am inclined to think it is all about Jessica "being a nubile<sup>''[presumably]''</sup> young female".  {{User:k61824/Sig|}} 14:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::While we are at it, seems Assfly knows how to type chinese without actually knowing chinese as well.  {{User:k61824/Sig|}} 14:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::Of course! He couldn't be able to so easily judge the relative superiority of languages unless he's learned all of them, right? [[User:Junggai|Junggai]] 16:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::: No, no, no.  Andy's system is much simpler and more effective.  He judges the effectiveness of a language by his ease in understanding it.  English is obviously best, as it all makes sense.  Latin is also great because he can recognize it uses letters, rather than gobbledegook, he can pronounce the words, and some of them even are like English.  Greek is okay, because it kind of looks like latin script, but Chinese uses crazy pictures and stuff, so it's obviously a terrible language.  How can anyone possibly understand it any more than him? {{User:Publius/Sig}} 20:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::::I see. That sounds then, like a good corollary to the First Schlafly Law of Relative Obscurity. [[User:Junggai|Junggai]] 20:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::::::"English is obviously best, ''as it all makes sense''" - I can't agree with this. Not all makes sense to Andy even in English, hence his Mysteries. [[User:Editor_at_CP|Editor at CP]][[User_Talk:Editor_at_CP|<sup>Oh, Finland! Why?</sup>]] 21:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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===Ed in NY===
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:Have [[wp:Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC#Likely_attendees|this]] and [[wp:Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki-Conference_2009#Keep_me_notified!|this]] been mentioned? We rally ought to have a rep there to hear User:188's version of neutrality (i.e. Jesus C speaks true; A Schlafly speaks truer; Rev Moon speaks truest) {{User:Toast/sig}} 15:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Scheisse! Must read all of thread, apologies for bringing it up again. (What's Ames doing then) {{User:Toast/sig}} 15:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::Someone should go to Ames' blog and make sure he knows about it, at least. {{User:Human/sig|}} 21:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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First DC, now Maine

Poor Andy. I think his head may explode. Maine Governor has decided that Civil Unions are *not* "equal", and he will press for full gay marriage in Maine. And lost religious bigots everywhere are yelling and screaming. Watch 1/2 of DOMA fall within months, by the way, as Scalia performs some of the most amazing feats of contortion to some how justify the Federal Government *defining* marriage, despite his long standing support of "State's Rights". heheh--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 17:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

To quote something I heard on NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell Me a while back, imagine that, in 1989, someone came up to you and said, "in the year 2009, gay people will get married in Iowa!" Your response probably would have been, "yeah, sure... right after we elect a black guy President." MDB 11:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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Homeschooler vs Patriot Act

Wonder whether conservapedia will cover this: homeschooled kid hauled away by 10 armed FBI agent under the patriot act(how do I embed youtube? ¯\(º_o)/¯ ). If they do, I bet the Patriot Act suddenly turned into a communist rule under Obama. In all fairness though, the son does look like a douche.

Extra lulz: The mom said that someone stole her son's IP address and made crank calls to the internet. lolwut? --GTac 18:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this CP's first "win"? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 18:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I must have missed the bit about him being a homeschooler do you have further info? Also his mother is obviously an atheistic liberal as she doesn't believe in guns. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 18:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. I suppose it is technically possible for someone to have spoofed his IP address then made the threats - but why go to that trouble? Using a proxy service would be far easier. Personally, I rather suspect the son did make the threats, but denied that to his mom. However, FBI agents using the Patriot Act to cart away a 16-year-old for mouthing off on the internet is a tad excessive, to make a rather large understatement. Zmidponk 18:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

On homeschooling - [1] though thats a blog, so take of it what you will. [2] is from Associated Content, which looks a bit more reliable (like an actual news article). [3] Worldnet daily leads with the homeschooled statement. --Shagie 19:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I already found the homsechooling stuff at Pro Libertate and note that he's also a Methodist. In light of this I would say he's probably guilty as charged. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 19:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe put it on WIGO World if CP wants to have nothing to do with it? Thieh 22:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to pull the handbrake:

The boy’s mother, Annette Lundeby, has even acknowledged in interviews that her son has been formally charged, has a court-appointed attorney, and has already made several appearances in front of a judge. No military tribunals here. On Alex Jones, Lundeby seemed to more-or-less admit that the USA PATRIOT connection was something she dreamed up on her own.

I haven't looked deeper into this (because it's fucking late), but maybe people can work from here before we all just repeat Patriot Act claims. --Sid 01:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I like the Westworld pirate... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Courtesy of the ACLU. Redchuck.gif ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 06:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

monomaniacs

CP is turning into a home for monomaniacs:

Ken
Atheism/Evolution
Bert
That flight
FOIA
Alger Hiss

and now:

TerryH
Ayn Rand

Any others? ToastToastand marmite 23:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Daniel1212, homosexual misinterpretation. Also, am I the only one who finds Terry's obsession with Atlas Shrugged hilarious? He actually claims that it's a well written piece of lit, not an ungodly trainwreck of flat characters, poor writing, and all-round silliness. PubliusTalk 00:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
How could you possibly forget  K e n  D o l l 's fascination with teh gheyz? Shame. The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 00:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank goat for Ed! Vulpius 00:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Andy
BO's Birth Certificate is a fake, Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya

Mega 01:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I think Andy's singular obsession is a lot wider than this. The "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!" thing was just one of his numerous fads, kinda like his obsessions with Lenski, Dawkins, that Viking dude who discredited Christianity by creating a settlement in the US before Columbus, etc. etc. etc. --Sid 01:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Librulz! ħumanUser talk:Human 02:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

without prejudice?

"(Block log); 20:20 . . TK (Talk | contribs) blocked Scorpion (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked) (Unused account with no edits for several months (removed without prejudice))" The guy can't access his present account, can't create a new a/c and can't email & it's still "without prejudice"? ToastToastand marmite 01:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

What is with blocking unused accounts? What can it possibly accomplish? PubliusTalk 02:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
That is a good question. ToastToastand marmite 02:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Pretty simple, really. With fewer and fewer editors, TK's gotta block somebody. Z3rotalk 03:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
It's preemptive. The probably see it as a security concern, having tons of unused accounts with presumably stupid-simple passwords is just inviting a security breach (even if there is nothing to really secure). Neveruse513 13:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Andy saying something good about Ron Paul?

Did Andy just say something good about someone who is not a social conservative? While Paul's foreign policy was stupid his domestic policy (i.e. if it's not in the Constitution the Fed doesn't do it) was great and against everything Andy stands for since you can't ban gay marriage (the Constitution just says the states have to honor contract made in other states) and you can't ban abortion (the Constitution doesn't talk about kids or pregnant ladies at all)--BoredCPer 02:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

"the Constitution just says the states have to honor contract made in other states"? Then what the hell is DOMA? Unless, then, somehow people get away with saying "Marriage is not a form of contract under any circumstances". Thieh 03:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Congress can pass unconstitutional laws - it takes a SCOTUS case to get them declared as such and nullified, though. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
And, as I understand it, you can't challenge the law unless you have standing. So you can't challenge DOMA unless your marriage isn't recognized by another state. Which means you have to have a marriage in the first place - a civil union wouldn't give you standing. That said, there is a current challenge to DOMA making its way through the courts. I believe it's challenging the federal benefits to federal employees in legal gay marriages. --Too tired to log in 04:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
And to add another twist, if the "State" yields in a lower court (refusing to appeal), it doesn't get SCOTUS testing. States often (?) do this to maintain unconstitutional laws, as long as they can get away with it, anyway. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Librul Textbook Errors

Could someone point me to somewhere that explains what the Fox News talking head was trying to say? Heinkel Embryos? DNA and tree of life? Jorge 04:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, idiot, learn how to spell Haeckel and maybe there'll be a handy WP article! Jorge 05:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Um, yeah, thanks for saving me the trouble of working the phrasing ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 09:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Casey LuskinIdiot savant and others like him use Haeckel's embryos as proof that evolution is being taught with errors. Haeckel's embryos aren't fraudulent, but they are misrepresentations; they're drawings made over a century ago of embryos as seen through a microscope, and exaggerated so that the embryos look more similar than they are. These days, textbook editors now use real scanned imagery of embryos in the different stages to show that they are still similar, just not as cleanly similar as Haeckel made them out to be.
Luskin's also part of the Discovery Institute. When he says they don't want creationism taught in schools, he's lying through his teeth. He and his organization want Intelligent Design taught in schools, which is indeed creationism.--Irrational Atheist 11:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
The tree of life bullshit is probably an attack on Linnaean taxonomy, which is still widely used (as opposed to phylogenetic taxonomy). With my limited understanding, I'd say Linnaean taxonomy is wrong like Newton's law of gravitation is wrong. But scientists do say sensational things about Linnaean taxonomy being turned on it's head, but they're changes high schoolers probably wouldn't get close to understanding. Neveruse513 13:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Scientist: The 'Tree of Life' is a completely inadequate model because everything is too neat and linear. It's like trying to apply Newton's approximations on a quantum level.
Discovery Institute: A scientist has told us the 'Tree of Life' is "completely inadequate". As you know, this tree is the crux of all evolutionary theory and the entire hypothesis is now in shambles.Shangrala 14:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
This video is ridiculous. Does Fox even pretend to be non-partisan even more? The idea of letting a crank from the Discovery Institute speak unopposed is absurd. I love the multiple lies and distortions: ID goons aren't pushing creationism. Lie. Cdesign proponentsists, anyone? ID goons don't oppose teaching evolution. Lie. Darwin didn't know about HGT and work it into his tree of life, and thus evolution is disproven. Distortion. Corry 15:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Fox News hasn't pretended to be "non-partisan" since...what? Midway through Clinton's FIRST term? --Gulik 18:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Uh, Fair and Balanced? We Report, You Decide? Bil08 20:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Holy shit this is funny...New Scientist calls out the cretards grasping at straws. From the article Luskin cites in his Faux News interview ("Darwin was Wrong"): "As we celebrate the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth, we await a third revolution that will see biology changed and strengthened. None of this should give succour to creationists, whose blinkered universe is doubtless already buzzing with the news that "New Scientist has announced Darwin was wrong". Expect to find excerpts ripped out of context and presented as evidence that biologists are deserting the theory of evolution en masse. They are not." Haha. — Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 03:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

 K e n  D o l l  is affecting our little Jinx hi Jinx!

I see Jinx hi Jinx! has caught that gay obsession bug. Such a shame, he was a nice boy.... Not really. Hey Oncoming Storm, maybe you can talk to him, send a card or something from all of us. Bring a receipt and we'll pay you back. SirChuckBWhatever happened to Skip It? 06:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Chuck, my checkuser radar indicates that OS is TK. (OS hasn't got Jason's characteristic foul mouth.) Also Jinx hi Jinx!'s edit was actually just back to the way he originally wrote the article. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 06:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure you're 100% correct on both counts, but it's still preseason and I'm trying to warm up before our first exhibition and I just like messing with Not Jinx Hi NOT Jinx! Oncoming Storm SirChuckBWhatever happened to Skip It? 06:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Significance

Can someone with a better knowledge of the US education system explain the significance of this edit by little Phy? Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 08:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Assume she's been accepted for Princeton with a forecast graduation date of 2013? ToastToastand marmite 09:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
EC She's going to Princeton, whether on her own skills or Grandmommy's name. Class of 2013 means she is enrolled this coming fall, 2009. Good for her, and I hope she makes it on her own without the endless Sorority exam and essay files, and "gee did you see her last name". Fuck. We saw her idiotic edits to something on CP lately. She's just the female version of GWB. I'm glad our friend Kettleticket is free of her "feminine" clutches. ħumanUser talk:Human 09:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, it's her Daddy's alma mater (engineering). As long as you can pay, and do OK on the SATs, it's incredibly easy to get into your parents' college. It's called being a "legacy". ħumanUser talk:Human 09:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
As an aside, some years ago, when California was debating getting rid of all race-based preferences in higher education admissions, an affirmative action supporter in the legislature said to an affirmative action opponent, "fine, I'll support getting rid of race based preferences... as long as we also get rid of legacy admissions." The AA opponent, unsurprisingly, did not agree. MDB 11:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
(EC)That's what I thought, but considered the presumption of a graduation date to be rather premature. BTW I never think of my own graduation (from a mere red-brick) as being "the class of '73". Redchuck.gif ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 09:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it funny that Andy's all supportive of homskolling, and kids going to such prestigious institutions as Liberty University and Grove City College. However, his own kids go to real schools and attend horrid liberal universities where they'll be taught by evil professor values inflicted lib'ruls? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 09:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes. ħumanUser talk:Human 09:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I was rather hoping that Phyllis might have been the one going to Wheaton. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 09:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Unfamiliar with the geography: is it commuting distance from home? ToastToastand marmite 09:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me the Ivy League? I know they're supposed to be good, but here in the UK there's a perception that as long as you're rich enough and not too stupid you can get into any of them (not sure whether we think that about Harvard, though). I know they're supposed to be Oxbridge level (or at least Harvard and Yale are) but are they actually? Also, I thought Princeton would be Addison. EddyP 10:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Dunno who called her pretty. Facebook would disagree - poor kid looks like Andy in drag. (and before eveybody moans - she's an admin on the CP group there, so public domain and fair use, yada yada yada). --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
A facebook group? Should I join? EddyP 10:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm going to moan anyway. She's presumably a high schooler -- jokes about her appearance are inappropriate. MDB 11:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Seconded. Ajkgordon 11:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Would we have judged her by her looks if she had been male? Thirded. Silver Sloth 12:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll judge her for that hideous gown. Hello! Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 12:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll pass on the fashion critique, something I know nothing about, but "Andy in drag"? Not at all. She's a fine looking young lady. And as an old lech that is something I do know about. 83.67.82.204 13:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Anyone care to answer my question about the Ivy League above? -_- EddyP 12:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Ivy League refers to a football conference in the Northeast comprised of I think 8 or 10 private colleges and universities. They're all fabulous schools, whatever their reputations. I don't think it's at all true that you can get into them if you're rich and not too stupid. Legacy may count, but admissions are otherwise among the most highly competitive in the US. Check the US News and World Report stats for these schools - they typically accept around 10% of applicants. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 13:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Admittance requires high standardized test scores, as well as superb grades in high school. A little money doesn't hurt, though. Aboriginal Noise Oh, you want to hit people with garbage cans? 13:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
A homskollar with superb grades? No way! Neveruse513 13:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the answers. I only just realized they were all in the northeast of America. I checked on wikipedia, and apparently 'legacy' applicants receive an average of 160 virtual extra SAT points. Though blacks apparently get 250 virtual extra SAT points, which surprised me.
Do you think Addison could be Wheaton? That would explain Andy's rewrite of the article (not sure if he would do it for any other student, except perhaps DuncanB). EddyP 13:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Anyone ever wonder if the kids sound like Muppet characters too? Neveruse513 13:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The Ivy League is certainly very competitive, but there are plenty of programs that rival or even surpass them. Take MIT, Cal Tech, et. al. for science and engineering, for example. And regarding legacy admissions, there are legacy admissions and there are legacy admissions. These are the schools where the really rich blue bloods go, regardless of how thick they are. Take a look at GWB getting into Yale and Harvard Business school. Daddy and Granddaddy were rich and politically important, so he didn't become a quickiemart attendant as befitting his level of aptitude.

And regarding being presumptuous about when she will graduate, that's not presumption at all in the US. In the US, and surely many other places, people are identified with their graduating class, even on their first day. Corry 15:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The prestige of a school is also related to the field of study. For instance, I did a little bit of Master's Degree work at Johns Hopkins. Sounds impressive, right? Well, its impressive if I was attending the medical school. But I was attending the engineering school which, while not a bad school, isn't on the par of the med school. (And incidentally, the AssFly once worked as an engineer at the Hopkins Applied Physics Lab, where I took some classes.) MDB 15:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Addition to the above- I agree with not taking potshots at the kids. It's cruel and unnecessary. Corry 17:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

About referring to the graduation year as "presumption" - I too am a graduate of the Princeton engineering department. We refer to all classes by their years, so this fall we'll matriculate the Class of 2013. And Princeton does tend to be somewhat liberal, so I have no doubt that Phyllis will be exposed to a lot of diverse thinking. She does seem to be a clever gal - she was making good points on the macroevolution debate on CP until someone deleted them. - Cuckoo 20:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Poor, poor  K e n  D o l l 

 K e n  D o l l 's fellow fetishist VenomFangX is less popular these days. Turns out the man living with his folks while spreading the word of his ministries has been grounded. A Youtube user has documented the fraud of VenomFangX through PayPal. Turns out the twerp was soliciting donations to buy himself happiness by promising to donate a portion of the funds to the Sick Kids Foundation. The foundation got very little of those funds, apparently. VenomFangX's parents shut down his site. PayPal turned over evidence to the authorities in VenomFangX's jurisdiction. He's had his Youtube account closed only to reopen it and start all over.
 K e n  D o l l  can really pick 'em, can't he? Now CP will need to start their EPIC WINZ on Youtube from scratch. --Irrational Atheist 13:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

HOLY FUCK I'm a big youtube junkie and this is fucking big news. Wow. #1 Christian youtuber busted. He was always called mini-Hovind...now it's so much more appropriate. Neveruse513 13:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Huh, I haven't been keeping up on my youtube drama obviously. Poor ol' VenomFangX, how will he fill his days without being able to parrot Kent Hovind on camera? Edited to add: Hey, wait. Isn't he over 20, what the fuck do his parents have to do with any idiot views he has, or what crap he chooses to put on his website?

Is he some actually permanant manchild? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

His parents are super-loaded, so I don't think much is required of him. Apparently, they're secular jewz and VFX went off the deep end of Christianity a few years back. He can't hold a job because he can't stop evangelizing. He can't get a church job because his views are so narrow (and in many cases rejected by Christians at large Hovind style). Street preaching was his only hope. Too bad he tried to scam everyone. Ugh...it's absolutely perfect. Neveruse513 14:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Please say this is true and you're not just speculating. 86.31.41.198 21:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I hope this makes the CP News Section; it will right? Won't it? Pretty please? Their idiocy am growing rapidly.Jimaginator 14:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
This is a sad story]. Ajkgordon 14:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Wow. I had no idea. Sad indeed. Jimaginator 15:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I was just searching CP for all mentions of "venomfangx" and could find none - has the record been sanitized already, or do I just need more coffee? --SpinyNorman 16:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
It was the magical Youtube connection  K e n  D o l l  had been presenting that would make CP's evolution article explode online. --Irrational Atheist 16:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
this prick is much more annoying than VenomGuyWhatever. At least Venomfang didn't think he was king fucking solomon. Mei
I still revel in the fact that youtube's #1 Christian (literally) has now been booted. Neveruse513 20:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Do you want me to invite you to the schadenfreude party? Mei
Are you familiar with VFX? He was fine until he committed fraud. I don't know if anyone felt bed for ol' Hovind. But yeah, you can come to the party, just leave your conscious at home. Neveruse513 20:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I didn't watch him that much, but I don't remember him being "fine". My conscious? Conscience? is puzzled
Why would any Christian call himself "VenomFangX"? That is pretty much shouting, "I AM A SERPENT!" Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 02:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Why would a Christian post pictures of bulls chasing and tossing human beings through the air to show that the Christian Message is getting stronger? Why would a Christian post pictures of deer head trophies and equate them with atheists? Some people just have to (over-)compensate for whatever they lack, so they project an aggressive image. --Sid 10:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I completely missed that scam! I did know how before that he was forced to apologize to Thunderf00t, the guy who makes awesome youtubes on evolution. Apparently VenomFangX had used deceit to spam votes and such on his youtubes and was find out when he stupidly admit it in an E-mail, not knowing that it's actually against youtube's policy and illegal. The result was this awesome youtube where he is forced to admit everything he did and apologize for it, which almost makes him cry delicious tears.
I must say though, VenomFangX is one of my favorite creationists. Everything about him is so unlikeable. His smugness, ignorance, arguing method, spoiled attitude, I even dislike his very face. This makes it so awesome when he fails time and time again. --GTac 12:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

archiving the wigos

The last times, Tmtoulouse, Toast and Javascap have archived the wigos. The archive Feb 2009 still allows for voting, which seems to be undesirable - and isn't possible at the older archives. Mar 2009 should be put to rest, and therefore my questions:

  • can we (i.e., someone) turn voting off for Feb 2009?
  • are there pitfalls when archiving the wigos?

Thanks, larronsicut fur in nocte 14:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Anybody out there? Well, when looking for some missing wigos, I found the archive for March - it just had a wrong name.... larronsicut fur in nocte 18:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
So, thanks BON! vote=closed has to be added to the items. BTW, why doesn't 0903 show up? BON? larronsicut fur in nocte 21:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm not the BON that did whatever had been done, but I did "solve" the missing 0903 thing: It was a caching thing. The DPL code is set to enable caching (which makes sense in this case with only once-per-month changes to the set), so I did an "&action=purge" on the archive list to bypass it once. The now newly cached version is up to speed again. --Sid 21:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Great, vielen Dank! larronsicut fur in nocte 21:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Gern geschehen. :P --Sid 22:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I added the caching to the archive dpl on this page. WIGO CP takes a long time to parse, and it's purged whenever you vote anyway, so it isn't a problem. Since Pi has replaced the dpl with a single link to an archive list to make Capturebot work, this won't be a problem any more (the archive list page doesn't have to be cached), but please keep anything that disables caching (randomselect, uncached dpl etc.) off this page. --  Nx/talk  12:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Jpatt, WP and Journalists

While WP is about a billion times better resource than CP is, Jpatt's post has a pretty large kernel of truth. Just as you shouldn't cite WP in a scientific manuscript, journalists shouldn't be relying on WP for their fact checking. It's lazy and prone to hoaxes, not to mention honest mistakes on the part of WPians. Corry 18:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

What I find funny is that it was reverted. The motive of the conservative media here is to undermine WP, which no one admits is perfect, but it's still pretty fucking good as evidenced by the handling of the article. Neveruse513 18:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Question (trivial)

Is the link to CP article(s) in the format [Address Text] or the format [[CP:Name&oldid=number|Text]] preferred in WIGO:CP? K61824ZOYG I edit like Ken! 18:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

[[CP:Name&oldid=number|Text]] is incorrect, if it works, it's only because of incorrectly configured software, and it might not work in the future. Also, Capturebot can only capture external links in the form of [Address Text]. --  Nx/talk  18:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks. Thieh[Talk needed] 22:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, this could be fun to watch...

New CP user TheBluejay comes out as gay on one of CP's innumerable homosexuality pages. MDB 22:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Start the inevitable banwatch... --SpinyNorman 23:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Post is gone, and so is TheBluejay Karajou shows his remarkable empathy once more. Junggai 23:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC).
How is this news?--Nate River 01:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually someone actually come out of the closet in CP? ThiehWhat is NOT going on? 01:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm starting to view the Debate pages on CP as a sort of venus fly trap. So many recent examples of people taking positions Karajou and Jpatt don't like, which are summarily reverted, and then the banhammer. So much for the relevant CP commandments and the exhortation that "Your opinion is welcome!" on CP debate pages. It's more than a little sad for those homeskullers that they'll never interact with a real life homo. But then I doubt even they read CP. It's probably pretty much us and the peanut gallery over there. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 02:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hunched over my computer trying to crank out a really complicated brief in a really complicated case, I have to say this made my evening: "There isn't a cure for stupid, but we can remove it just the same." Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 02:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

One to add to the UK's banned list:

" ...Don't you guys ever get outside? I am in the UK twice a year, at least, and I shouldn't think you'd run out of places there to argue your liberal/socialist POV. --₮K/Admin/Talk 18:28, 7 May 2009 (EDT) " ([4]) As a member of CP (which isn't isolationist at all!) , I think he's got a cheek asking if we ever get outside! ToastToastand marmite 22:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I go outside once a week, whether I want to or not. --Kels 02:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
You might want to see a medic about that, Kels. ToastToastand marmite 02:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, MOM. Next you'll be wanting me to bathe! --Kels 02:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Suspect it's the Atlantic between us, but to "go" outside could be interpreted as expel bodily waste in the open air, and to do it "whether I want to or not" sounds like a problem that should be attended to. ToastToastand marmite 02:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh dear, that does sound bad. No, I think leaving bodily waste in a public place is more something Ed would do. --Kels 02:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I wish for TK to be added to the undesirables list along with Michael Savage. I wish it I wish it I wish it! Click. Click. Click. Uhhhh. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 02:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles and Editors in April 2009

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larronsicut fur in nocte 13:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Uh oh, looks like my CP sock is an outlier! Jorge 13:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Sourciness

Seriously, now I understand the people who think Andy might be the deepest cover parodist of them all. He's citing Roy Edroso as a blogger who benefitted by Conservapedia? Seriously? Has he ever read Edroso before? --Kels 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

If it ever comes out that Assfly is a parodist, I swear I will build a monument so tall that the Christian god will have to strike it down for fear of me reaching heaven. Neveruse513 17:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Can someone elaborate on the latest mystery?

It seems to have great potential.

Did the space program really develop teflon? — Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 18:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

NASA said they didn't, why are they being so deceitful? — Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 18:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Because they're dirty liberals, that's why. Z3rotalk 18:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
This is actually getting to me...what the fuck is Andy thinking? Is there anyone, anywhere that disputes that Teflon was invented by DuPont? Does Andy think NASA really invented it? Why??? Where did he get this idea? I can't find anything. This is making me ask more than ever...Is Andy really totally fucking insane? — Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 18:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Not insane, just out-of-date. It used to be commonly believed that NASA invented teflon, just as it was commonly believed that Columbus was the first european to cross the Atlantic. this just adds to my belief that andy is spouting whatever he picked up at school. Totnesmartin 18:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I just read the conversation about the Gunpowder Plot, which he entirely hinges on misinterpreting one word in the primary reference for his "history" lectures. My head hurts. --Kels 18:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
All of his "mysteries" are based on the simple proposition that these are things to which Andy's definitive answer is "it's a mystery." Solutions are not wanted. At least people seem to get banned less from providing information to the contrary. Andy also might be gathering his view on Teflon from FWDs that he gets from his mom. -Lardashe
Gawd, it started somewhere (WHL?), with someone pointing out that Teflon predates the formation of NASA by twenty years. Why on earth Andy didn't just look it up and correct it is anyone's guess. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Cause Teflon isn't in the dictionary he uses? How else shoudl he know it ever existed?--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 19:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Jesus Christ, this takes literally 10 seconds to find on the web. Is this the type of exemplary scholarship we should expect from a history teacher? NetharianCubicles are prisons! 02:43, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Les regrets

ROTFLMBFAO!!! I was reading the link above, about teflon, and found the "greatest mysteries of the world" happened to include the "mystery" of when "regret" become self-centered. I mean, let's set aside that this isn't a mystery, since we can look at it's use and document specifically when change occurred... but that it's a *great* mystery?????? GREAT? I mean, what makes life, alive? How did the guide lines in Mexico work. How exactly do you get all those huge rocks that build the pyramid onto the top of the pyramid... but the word "regret?"--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 19:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I can't answer the others, but the mystery of the pyramids is easy, Red Dwarf has already provided the answer: "They had massive whips, Rimmer. Massive, massive whips."--199.20.64.195 19:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh. Actually, I've watched some pretty amazing shows with modern archeologists trying to recreate how some of these ancient works were built. None are trying to buy into the "aliens did it" theory, but to this day, there are many "mysteries" of ancient stone work that simply confound our modern scholars.  :D By the way, I was reading the etymology of regret, and like everythign else andy does, he based his entire argument on *one* reading out of webster, that said "old french for: to cry, to mourn", and decided the word had changed. rolls eyes.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?" 19:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
"Greatest Mysteries of the World" would better be titled "a collection of crackpot conspiracy theories and misunderstandings". However, I for one love it for it's lulz. Silver Sloth 19:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Incidentally, the Online Etymology Dictionary dates regret to 1300 and says it's from the old French regreter "long after, bewail, lament someone's death" - so the answer is probably never. Silver Sloth 19:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
"Would there be sin if God had never made Woman? ". Fall down nods knowingly in Andy's direction. Taytopacket 19:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I feel certain that we could do a mini side-by side on his "mysteries". Couldn't we? ToastToastand marmite 19:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

the pryramids were poured concrete at least near the top. They carried buckets of mix up the sides and poured them into a wooden mold. Either that or magnetic levitation. The interwebs seem conflicted Hamster 19:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Looking through the list, there are only a couple that are really very mysterious, or even worth asking. The pyramids still have some details that haven't been worked out, although we have a general idea these days. The Sphinx one is interesting when it comes to "why". Maybe the Tunguska although that seems more or less settled too. Everything else is either easily answered like the Teflon one, nonsense like the one about sin and women, or a complete waste of time, like almost anything Andy writes. --Kels 20:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe the answer to the question of why the Sphinx, is "why not?".--199.20.64.195 21:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Egypt's answer to the age old question: "What do you get for the god-king who has everything?" This of course was before the invention of DVD box sets. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
So in an alternate history, archeologists would be debating over why they made the third season of Heroes? --Kels 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Heroes in hieroglyphs. The thought has some appeal.--199.20.64.195 00:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I always thought the Sphinx was A, a wonderful way to show off the wealth and ability of the country responsible and B, representative of the Greek Legends, where the Sphinx killed all those unable to answer her question. Oh, and it was supposed to protect the Pharohs Tombs or something like that. SirChuckBWhatever happened to Skip It? 07:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

JLauttamus

Sorry Wesley, but TK won't fall for this. You'll have to try harder than that to get your devious sock unblocked so you can continue your subversive categorising. EddyP 19:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Abusing multiple accounts is just more proof that he's a liberal troll. — Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 19:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't see how Wesley would even think TK would fall for that- it's his first edit. And his e-mail isn't disabled. --Prim arthropleura.jpg 20:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

This is what I don't get. Lauttamus and I have had edit conflicts before, which would mean that we are at two separate IPs. Assuming we use the same provider, which covers most of Western PA and parts of Ohio and West Virginia, TK has essentially blocked all Comcast users in the applicable area. Furthermore, he created his account well before I did, so how could hebe a sock of me? If anything it would be in reverse. Don't you think? I did send JL an email via aSK to let him know what was up, obviously because our email is in fact blocked at CP. I also emailed TK (I had his email address from previous correspondence) and he certainly didn't seem to believe me. Well, to hell with it. I give up. Sorry JLauttamus, wherever you are. Aboriginal Noise Oh, you want to hit people with garbage cans? 21:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yet another editor chased off. If memory serves, JL generally spent his time contributing to the actual articles in a non-ridiculous manner. CP continues to implode. Corry 03:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, generally he edited the biology articles. And he did write some sports-type pages as well. Aboriginal Noise Oh, you want to hit people with garbage cans? 05:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
He is now unblocked. Glad to see it! Aboriginal Noise Oh, you want to hit people with garbage cans? 21:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
On double secret probation, I bet. --Kels 22:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Moar Hitler

It's bad enough the student suggested it in the first place, but Andy's endorsement of Hitler literally having a pact with Satan makes me raise my eyebrows about two feet straight up. Seriously, Andy? Is that your final answer? --Kels 20:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you surprised that a biblical fundamentalist wouldn't believe that? Totnesmartin 20:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
By journal does he mean the long discredited Hitler diaries hoax? I can't say I've ever read them, but I can't imagine Hitler ever claimed to have made a pact with the devil. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I liked answer 4. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
"Yo, bitch. You're even more batshit crazy than me! 100/100!" --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Andy probably believes Satan is a man with horns and a red jumpsuit, too. --Kels 20:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
For those of an English persuasion (and with an interest in the beautiful game) I'll just point out the red jumpsuit. It's always red, isn't it? Ok, occasionally black, but mostly red. And never, ever, ever, blue. I'm just pointing it out. Red = evil. Blue = good. Simple. Toffeeman 21:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Unless of course we're talking about Republicans. How did the GOP ever let blue become the colour of the Democratic party rather than the commie pinko red (My choice of colour for curtains!) I will never understand. Vulpius 23:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh AndyBaby-- Hitler said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in 'My New Order.' Not sure who it was a pact with... Jimaginator 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm on Andy's side, if anyone has ever made a pact with Satan, metaphorical or otherwise, it was teh Führer; besides Andy should know...how else does a site like CP get 80 million views? JorgeMember of Vandal/Parodist Website 21:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Clickbots, my dear. Never attribute to the supernatural what can be adequately explained by malice. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
No, no, no. Flames and pointy sticks might have been all the rage downstairs in the old days, but nowadays Hell makes sinners read CP as punishment. Totnesmartin 21:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
So Andy's a subcontractor? --Kels 22:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Conservapedia Fund Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Hell Enterprises PLC. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Andy, if you believe that, I'll help you find the Lost Ark.--Nate River 23:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

13 days till I pick the model answers due to the lack of edit from Assfly. K61824Ask me for relationship advice 02:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ed Poor shows his geographic expertise

From the man who renamed North Korea - Taiwan is an island, not a country. Fucking moron. Errrrrrr, hmmm my mistake. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 22:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Creepy Ed, oh to be an attendee at that talk. --Kels 22:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hopefully it will end up on teh utoobz? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
""The limits of neutrality"? Hmmmm, I'll take a wild stab and say between 34 and 66. You know when you've gone too far, you lose all those funky Druid spells.--199.20.64.195 00:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Since when did Ed Poor learned how to type in Chinese (He is the only editor)? Both Simplified and Traditional? Or is it another blatant plagiarism attempt? ThiehAhh! my eyes!! 02:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Eh, he probably copied it from wikipedia. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
LOL. Human, stop being so sarcastic. K61824CP≠Child Porn? 03:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Anyone know how to get those characters to display on XP Firefox? Jorge Legendary Creature-Human Ninja 04:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
You gotta download various Asian character sets, basically. Edit: there are help pages on wikipedia to guide you. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, human. Jorge Radix Malorum Est Superbia 13:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Is it Ed who claimed to be, if not fluent, at least capable in Korean? Given his moonishness it seems likely & he chased Jessica all over (definitely nothing to do with her being a nubile[presumably] young female) so he seems to have a thing for the Far East generally. ToastToastand marmite 13:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Of course Ed is good at both Chinese (He didn't edit at all) and Korean (his only edits shown, which does not have any typed characters in Chinese or Korean). I am inclined to think it is all about Jessica "being a nubile[presumably] young female". Thieh[Talk needed] 14:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
While we are at it, seems Assfly knows how to type chinese without actually knowing chinese as well. ThiehEd Poor types in Chinese? 14:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Of course! He couldn't be able to so easily judge the relative superiority of languages unless he's learned all of them, right? Junggai 16:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
No, no, no. Andy's system is much simpler and more effective. He judges the effectiveness of a language by his ease in understanding it. English is obviously best, as it all makes sense. Latin is also great because he can recognize it uses letters, rather than gobbledegook, he can pronounce the words, and some of them even are like English. Greek is okay, because it kind of looks like latin script, but Chinese uses crazy pictures and stuff, so it's obviously a terrible language. How can anyone possibly understand it any more than him? PubliusTalk 20:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I see. That sounds then, like a good corollary to the First Schlafly Law of Relative Obscurity. Junggai 20:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
"English is obviously best, as it all makes sense" - I can't agree with this. Not all makes sense to Andy even in English, hence his Mysteries. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 21:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ed in NY

On a side note:

Have this and this been mentioned? We rally ought to have a rep there to hear User:188's version of neutrality (i.e. Jesus C speaks true; A Schlafly speaks truer; Rev Moon speaks truest) ToastToastand marmite 15:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Scheisse! Must read all of thread, apologies for bringing it up again. (What's Ames doing then) ToastToastand marmite 15:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone should go to Ames' blog and make sure he knows about it, at least. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)