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== Loya Jirga, pt 94 (sticky) ==
 
 
Although no term limits were ever set on Loya jirga elections, three months was the time that was mentioned most frequently by those who cared. Those three months are now up. Who wants to have another election? This might be a good time as one or two members have already left, and I will soon (moving house in a few weeks and my internet access doesn't come with me). So... new elections or keep calm and carry on? [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 15:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:The who? But seriously, I've seen the LJ thing do sweet fuck all, even when I'd say it could have popped its head up and said "hi" so if you want to reopen nominations and vote for new members, I doubt I'd notice. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 16:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Three months was the least unpolular, but really it's had nothing to do. just the existence of it has kind of kept people onside. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 16:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Such is the power of the Lethargic Jerboa, people fear to cross it. [[User:EddyP|EddyP]] ([[User talk:EddyP|talk]]) 16:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I can't see any advantage in lengthy & distracting elections again at this point.  How about if a Loya Jirga lasts until three months after its first actual involvement rather than just three months from being elected? {{User:Weaseloid/sigred}} 17:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::That sounds like a sensible idea. We'd better bury it in the archives before anyone notices. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 18:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::There goes my plan to sell my vote to the highest bidder. --[[User:Psygremlin|<b><font color="blue">PsyGremlin</font></b>]]{{User:Psygremlin/sig|}} 18:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::How about any given {{lj}} lasts until it does something, and then is immediately replaced (like, within a week - ten days or so that it takes us to "vote")? {{User:Human/sig|}} 20:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::Damn.  These next two months are my "farewell tour" before I start school again, and I was hoping to be elected to the Lloya Jirga before it was up  : (  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 21:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::::It's kind of fiddly. The Linguini Jerker is pretty much a "in case of emergency break glass" thing, and we haven't really had a serious HCM inducing event. I reckon three months is just way too short. May six months? We could say three months from the moment they do something big, but that seems to be just a clever way of getting around the original three month limit. Mind you, the clever may be a way to get this done without risking a people getting annoyed about their wiki being borked. --[[Image:Concrnedresident logo.png|140px|link=User:Concernedresident|Concernedresident|baseline]]'''<sup>[[User_talk:Concernedresident|<font color=blue>Ask me about our random string of characters</font>]]</sup>''' 01:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::::If two have left (one was replaced?) and Martin is gonna have to retire, surely that opens up a chance for RA to be elected to an empty seat? {{User:Human/sig|}} 01:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::Seconding the idea we should have a simple by-election...[[User:P-Foster|P-Foster]] ([[User talk:P-Foster|talk]]) 01:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::[[RationalWiki:may 2010 Loya Jirga by-elections|So let's do it!]] [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 11:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::You have to type something in that edit box in order for people to know what the hell it's about.  But you knew that, MigratedMartin. {{User:Human/sig|}} 03:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::::I was thinking RA would do it, he wanted the job. Looks like he doesn't care after all...or anyone else for that matter. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 06:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::::Hey, I care!  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 00:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Happy Mother's Day! ==
 
 
Now what the hell are you doing on RationalWiki ''on Mother's Day''?  Go spend time with your mom(s)!  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 17:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
: Well mine in jail... unless you know how to break into jail, i don't think i will be able to see her.[[User:Waronstupidity|Waronstupidity]] ([[User talk:Waronstupidity|talk]]) 17:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::That was ''weeks'' ago! March 14 to be exact. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 18:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Yeah, that was a long time ago.  Got my dear ol' Mum&hellip;nothing, on account of her being in France and me not knowing where she was or when she was getting back.--{{User:Stunteddwarf/sig}} 18:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
Nobody is allowed to celebrate it.  [http://www.examiner.com/x-37026-Bible-Prophecy-Examiner~y2010m5d9-Should-Christians-Celebrate-Mothers-Day One of them there Pagan holidays.] -[[User:Ravenhull|Ravenhull]] ([[User talk:Ravenhull|talk]]) 18:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Oh, sweet FSM, I thought the Examiner was just right wing before. I had no idea it went into crackpot fundamentalism. [[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 11:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Same here, I didn't know they delved into stuff like that. Granted, it's an opinion piece, but wow... {{User:Tetronian/sig|}} 19:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Pot trying to become kettle ==
 
 
Tea Party leader says [http://www.washingtoninformer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3612:tea-party-express-leader-says-tea-bagger-is-same-as-the-n-word&catid=57:oped&Itemid=154 Teabagger is the same as the N word].--[[User:Thanatos|Thanatos]] ([[User talk:Thanatos|talk]]) 18:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:I spent some time watching random teabagger vids on utube last night.  Now, I ''started'' by chasing the ones that set out to make them look ridiculous (from [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDED_vGkTfA this] bookmark), and of course they did.  But since utube pulls up all manner of related links, eventually I was watching "tea party" vids rather than "teabagger" ones, that is, neutral or pro-teabagger ones.  You know what?  Even the most pro vids made them look like blithering idiots... {{User:Human/sig|}} 21:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::I've had three people recently call me homophobic brcause I refer to them as Teabaggers.  It was fun, I made the first guy look like an idiot. {{User:SirChuckB/sig|}} 21:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::It's more considerate to label them fucking morons. I suspect that their teabagger comrades repeatedly trying to dump tea bags in strange places, as by way of a protest, could explain the teabagger name. Yup, blithering idiots. --[[Image:Concrnedresident logo.png|140px|link=User:Concernedresident|Concernedresident|baseline]]'''<sup>[[User_talk:Concernedresident|<font color=blue>Ask me about our deity of personal preference</font>]]</sup>''' 22:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:[http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/photo-tea-bagger-with-n-word-300.jpg They would know, wouldn't they?]
 
:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XivhwO_zWWg I mean you guys are putting this on the Internet ''yourselves''].
 
:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKde263_n-E Voluntarily!]
 
:[http://i.current.com/images/asset/904/316/05/3L52fL.jpg This woman is not hypnotized, drunk, or paid. Consider that.]
 
:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s Fucking morons.] <font style="font-family: Papyrus"><font color="#FF0000">[[User:Wodewick|'''Wodewick''']]</font><font color="#800080"><sup>[[User talk:Wodewick|'''Welease Wodewick!''']]</sup></font></font> 01:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Whoah, that's a serious amount of crazy to digest in one morning. There's a lot to be said for allowing idiots to speak, since in cases like this there's just no need for us to criticise what they're doing or saying. They're pretty good at digging holes. I suppose the only problem we have to look for is in wrongly accusing people of being racist. Sure some of the wingnut brigade appear to miss the days when coloured folks knew their place, but many are likely just uninformed idiots being swept up in the media machine hysteria. --[[Image:Concrnedresident logo.png|140px|link=User:Concernedresident|Concernedresident|baseline]]'''<sup>[[User_talk:Concernedresident|<font color=blue>Ask me about our governor</font>]]</sup>''' 10:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Added "pro-ana" to the to-do list ==
 
 
Just wanted everyone to know that I added it, and feel its one of the most glaring omissions from this site.  At the same time, however, I think that its important enough that the article should be written by someone with some real medical knowledge, not me.  For those of you who don't know "pro-ana" means "pro-anorexia."--[[Special:Contributions/76.18.115.64|76.18.115.64]] ([[User talk:76.18.115.64|talk]]) 20:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:not a single useful link here or there to help us do your bidding? {{User:Human/sig|}} 03:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::I think Wikipedia's pretty much got it covered. What would you suggest we say that they dont', other than "it's stupid"? {{User:Human/sig|}} 03:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::It's an interesting area, but very specific and specialised to describe as a "glaring" omission. Apart from a few friends who are recovering from anorexia and have done some fairly lightweight awareness and campaigning against pro-ana, I have no idea about it and couldn't really write much from an RW perspective. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 08:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::K, you want links: http://www.prettythin.com/  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0HCagGjyTY  --[[Special:Contributions/76.18.115.64|76.18.115.64]] ([[User talk:76.18.115.64|talk]]) 11:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Put them at the todo list so they don't get archived in 3 days. {{User:Human/sig|}} 03:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::It is added to the to do list, which is why I had it on my mind when I saw the SB post too. However, I have just realised we can link it in with current articles as P-Foster added [[Fat activism]] as a stub a few weeks ago. Essentially both are choosing seriously unhealthy weight as a lifestyle choice. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 08:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::I meant the ELs he added, actually.  Don't forget to crosslink [[diet woo]] and stuff like that.  We have a whole slew of food-based articles I suspect, now that I think about it. {{User:Human/sig|}} 21:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::Ah, of course. Done. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 22:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Geek test ==
 
 
What is your response to...
 
 
"This is Free Trader ''Beowulf'' calling anyone.... Mayday... Mayday..."
 
 
?
 
 
[[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 12:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
: "We are under attack..." –[[User:SuspectedReplicant|SuspectedReplicant]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:xx-small">[[User_Talk:SuspectedReplicant|retire me]]</span> 12:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:: Very good. I'm off to die during character creation now. [[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 15:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::This isn't the "all your base" thing, is it? {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 22:30, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Sounds familiar, although dying during character creation gives me original rules Traveller flashbacks, so I dunno. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 22:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::It's ''Traveller''. I'd call "This is Free Trader ''Beowulf''" one of the best RPG cover blurbs ever. [[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 23:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::So it's like the Foundation roleplaying game, but without the whole Asimov's-estate-suing-you-for-copyright-infringement thing.  Clearly, it sucks.  --{{User:Theemperor/Sig}} 23:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::Wow, I used to play with the set of black books waaaay back in the day.  And only occasionally died during character creation, thank you. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 23:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::::But can it run NetBSD? --[[Image:Concrnedresident logo.png|140px|link=User:Concernedresident|Concernedresident|baseline]]'''<sup>[[User_talk:Concernedresident|<font color=blue>Ask me about our jellybean</font>]]</sup>''' 10:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
As far as it being the Foundation RPG, the basic books contained no setting; it was just generic rules for a science fiction RPG. The later published setting probably got a good part of their inspiration from the Good Doctor's works -- I'd speculate Asimov was the writer who influenced them the most. There are no robots, though (well, I think they might have been added later, but they were never as key to Traveller as they were to Asimov), and it's a lot more military oriented than Foundation. [[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 13:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
: There were no robots in the Foundation novels - except the later ones where he linked the Robots novels to the Foundation ones, and which were written well after Traveller. Never actually played it myself, but I knew several people who did and soon got to know about the cover blurb. –[[User:SuspectedReplicant|SuspectedReplicant]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:xx-small">[[User_Talk:SuspectedReplicant|retire me]]</span> 13:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Elena Kagan -> SCOTUS ==
 
 
Thoughts?
 
 
The left seems to be generally receptive, while the right... [http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z205/JekyllnHyde_photos/April%204th/April%2011th/sc100412.gif well...] <font style="font-family: Papyrus"><font color="#FF0000">[[User:Wodewick|'''Wodewick''']]</font><font color="#800080"><sup>[[User talk:Wodewick|'''Welease Wodewick!''']]</sup></font></font> 19:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Haha, that's pretty funny. {{User:Human/sig|}} 21:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Toles had a good one about that as well [http://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2010/04/13/ back in April] {{User:SirChuckB/sig|}} 21:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I don't know... no experience as a judge, personal friend of the President... I'm getting a sense of [[wp:Harriet_Miers_Supreme_Court_nomination|deja vu all over again]]. [[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 22:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I think there's a very important difference.  Kagan has served as the dean of Harvard Law, and Solicitor General (sometimes referred to as the 10th justice).  She may not have experience as a judge, but she has a long list of legal qualifications that Miers didn't have.  I seriously doubt that Obama will have to rely on the "She's my friend and I know her" argument to gain confirmation. {{User:SirChuckB/sig|}} 22:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Valid point, though still, I don't think it looks good politically to nominate someone to be a judge on the nation's highest court whose never been a judge.
 
:::::On the other paw, before John Roberts destroyed any future he had in politics, I thought he would have made a kick-ass choice for the Court. His populist views about corporate power would be a good voice against another [[wp:Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission|Citizens United]] decision.
 
:::::I think Hillary Clinton would be a good justice, too, though I doubt if she had really wanted the job or been considered a possible candidate, she'd be at State now. If anything, nominating her would have introduced apoplexy in about half the American conservative movement. [[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 23:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::Surely you mean John ''Edwards''?  Hillary gets her seat later in his second term. {{User:Human/sig|}} 00:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Some thoughts after reading ye old blogs n newspapers this afternoon...
 
::::MDB I get that Harriet Miers vibe too. The major problem the right had with her was never her lack of experience, but that she was not a strong pro-life anti-gay candidate. The reaction was basically "We worked our asses off for this?" A reasonable attitude when you take into account how Justice Souter turned out. The evangelicals elected Bush to end abortion and they wanted results.
 
::::Look past the "brilliant legal mind, consensus builder" boilerplate and one can say Kagan is a Miers of the left. She has little paper trail on corporate power and govt power, two SCOTUS issues liberals care deeply about. She is probably a solid vote on choice and gay rights.
 
::::I sense a lot of Obama in Kagan. The old joke goes: '''"Liberals are people who are too broad minded to take their own side of an argument."''' Look how that's worked out for Obama - all that "hands across the water" crap led to not a single GOP vote on stimulus or healthcare. I don't want a "fair minded even handed" SCOTUS nominee, I want one who will move the Court.
 
::::Republicans never ever ever apologize for being ideologues. They take every opportunity to punt the ball downfield. But liberals somehow think they were elected to build a centrist consensus? Once liberals get to Washington, they love getting attacked by the left. They brag that makes them reasonable since they're attacked from all sides. No, it makes them useless since they represent no constituency.
 
::::Kagan won't get Mier'd though, the Dem caucus will support and pass her nomination swiftly. <font style="font-family: Papyrus"><font color="#FF0000">[[User:Wodewick|'''Wodewick''']]</font><font color="#800080"><sup>[[User talk:Wodewick|'''Welease Wodewick!''']]</sup></font></font> 02:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Well put, Wodey. {{User:Human/sig|}} 03:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
Yes, of course I meant John Edwards. I can be a Bear of Very Little Brain at times. [[User:MDB|MDB]] ([[User talk:MDB|talk]]) 09:10, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:OK, as long as we could figger out what you meant. Have some hunny. {{User:Human/sig|}} 09:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
Wasn't Miers' real problem that she had no training nor education in Constitutional law (and didn't seem all that bright)? It seemed her entire nomination was based on that she was a lawyer and was a friend of Bush's. I don't know much about the position of Solicitor General, but I'm pretty sure that establishes at least a pretty sound foundation. Andy can go off about her never having been a judge, but neither was Rhenquist, and Andy seems to think he wasn't all that bad. [[User:DickTurpis|DickTurpis]] ([[User talk:DickTurpis|talk]]) 16:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Exactly.  It's really hard to believe Kagan's being compared to Miers.  Miers was incredibly unqualified... Kagan was the ''Dean of Harvard Law''.
 
:It's true Kagan has a similar paper trail, but for very different reasons.  Miers had done very little and so had no trail, whereas Kagan has done a lot but been very careful since her appointment as federal judge was filibustered by the Republicans in 1995.
 
:And you're also right, Dick, when you note that Rehnquist wasn't a judge before he sat the bench.  In fact, it's a pretty recent development to think that a Justice must have judicial experience.  Many of the most famous and some of the best justices had never sat a bench before, and some weren't even lawyers.--{{User:AD/sig2}} 10:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Spaceships and lasers to be used to test for proof Andy exists ==
 
 
[http://gizmodo.com/5535208/relativity-to-be-tested-with-three-spaceships-and-lasers NASA is going to test for gravitons], something about which no doubt [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Theory_of_relativity&diff=prev&oldid=710631 Andy will be pleased].  We can look forward to the Schlalfy Brothers duking it out again in public.  Joy unbounded!  [[User:Doggedpersistence|'''<font color="#00F0A20">DogP</font>''']][[User_Talk:Doggedpersistence|<sup><font color="#993300">''Marmite Patrol''</font></sup>]] 00:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:This is, of course, way cool - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 16:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Cool indeed, although I contest that "largest scientific apparatus ever" blurb.  Surely a robot on Mars being run by and reporting to computers on Earth would be bigger?  Still takes nothing away from its coolth.  I wonder what they'll find? {{User:Human/sig|}} 21:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Action Obama! ==
 
 
Apparently, [http://www.hottoys.com.hk/images/detailed_images/1b12716691484bcc219cb1c1b.jpg it's] actually modeled on Obama, but they didn't think it came out well enough to be marketed as Obama - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 13:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:It does feature a "real-like head" though. {{User:Human/sig|}} 21:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::BAHAHHAAAHAAHAAA!!! {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 22:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Page idea: scientific dickishness ==
 
 
I think we need a page about scientists who were complete dicks and the consequences this had for their work. Being right has nothing to do with your charm, but being a dick about it is not likely to help your work spread. Isaac Newton is the canonical scientific dick who was right, but Galileo counts for example. What's a good title? And good sources? - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 16:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Fred Hoyle? [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] 16:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Newton was also a dick that got it wrong - don't forget he wrote more about alchemy than he did about gravity, optics, calculus and so on. –[[User:SuspectedReplicant|SuspectedReplicant]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:xx-small">[[User_Talk:SuspectedReplicant|retire me]]</span> 17:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Or, alternatively, the 600 ton elephant in the room, Richard Dawkins. {{User:Tetronian/sig|}} 19:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Is Dawkins a dick in scientific circles, though?  {{User:Human/sig|}} 21:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Not that I'm aware of. He was and still is a well respected scientist, hardly a dick in that sense. There are probably very few that are dicks either on the professional level or to the degree that Newton was famous for, however. I could nominate a few academics I know that continue to have outright pissing contests with each other. Oh, and the head of department who has apparently shut down our electronics workshop, the fucktard. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 21:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::There's also anyone ever who has been asked to be an external viva examiner, but being a dick is sort of in the job description there, if they don't give you the most harrowing experience of your life you haven't earned the doctorate. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 22:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::[http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Main_Page Dickipedia has a list of all dicks]. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 22:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::I would nominate Hans Geiger, but ratting out your Jewish colleagues to the Nazis has got to nominate you a tag that is a lot stronger than "Dick".--{{User:Stunteddwarf/sig}} 23:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Oh dear ==
 
 
I am now older than the Prime Minister. I am going to bed. Wake me in four years. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 22:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:In four/eight years time you'll likely be more popular than he is. --[[User:Concernedresident|<font color="black">'''ConcernedResident'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Concernedresident|<font color=blue>Ask me about our xylophone</font>]]</sup>''' 22:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Welcome to the club.  I am older than the US President... and Andrew Schlafly. {{User:Human/sig|}} 22:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Kids! [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] 22:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Indeed.  Someday you shall be older than the Queen! {{User:Human/sig|}} 04:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I'm Younger than Liz, and Camilla, so i'm safe there. All I have to do is get William shacked up with Joan Collins and I'm fine. [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 09:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::One day, Harry will be Queen! --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 15:48, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Brian Hetfield - Enter You ==
 
 
This is like the funkiest mash up ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13TuINaxJk {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 22:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:I think my favourite cracked-out mashup was Fall Out Boy/Metal Man level from the original Megaman. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 23:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Kels:  I can has link to this most glorious mashup?  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 00:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::[http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1882444/ Here 'tis].  Caution, there be monsters on that site, so don't get too curious.  Also, try [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1882542/ this one]. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 04:25, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Thanks, Kels!  That's awesome.  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 08:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::8bit mash-ups are a new one on me... strangely compelling, too. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 15:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::RenardV is pretty good with stuff like that, there's a bunch of his original music [http://vulpvibe.bandcamp.com/ here], including I think some free stuff.  Oh, and if you're into chiptunes/8-bit, mashups and other oddities, you might be interested in [http://blackmage.org:8000/nobuyuki Doogtopia Radio], which is streamed by a guy I know online. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 15:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::[http://www.gohomeproductions.co.uk/ Mark Vidler] (Go Home Productions) and [http://mashups.blogspot.com/ CCC] are my two favourite mashup creators - genius is theirs.  [[User:Doggedpersistence|'''<font color="#00F0A20">DogP</font>''']][[User_Talk:Doggedpersistence|<sup><font color="#993300">''Marmite Patrol''</font></sup>]] 16:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Hannutty: Iraq should pay for us invading him ==
 
 
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkDhzWYObNk&feature=channel Douche].--[[User:Thanatos|Thanatos]] ([[User talk:Thanatos|talk]]) 23:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== It's summer time - so, mass debate. ==
 
 
It's actually a nice day here in Britain at long last. So, in celebration... Discuss: Strawberries are in fact not terribly nice as fruit go, being vastly outclassed by such competition as the delectable water melon, the versatile kiwi or even the ignoble grape. --{{:User:JeevesMkII/sig}} 14:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:If only I knew what a goat fruit is... {{User:Tetronian/sig|}} 20:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
<multi poll="Best Fruit">
 
Strawberries
 
kiwifruit
 
grape
 
raspberry
 
Melon
 
Goat Fruit
 
Gooseberries
 
</multi>
 
 
:Nice to see the Raspberry pulling ahead, unlike Gordon Brown.  But I think we all know what to think of the rather more recherché strawberry and its slutty little friend, the kiwi.  For the life of me I can't understand the strong contention from the grape - a fruit who's only purpose is to be trampled upon and fermented, and which is only eaten in hospital by the ailing.  Things are all to rights in the world, though, with the cane-borne red fruit leading the pack.  Now, who wants [http://britishfood.about.com/od/dessert/r/summerpudding.htm summer pudding]?  Olé!  Olé!  Olé!  [[User:Doggedpersistence|'''<font color="#00F0A20">DogP</font>''']][[User_Talk:Doggedpersistence|<sup><font color="#993300">''Marmite Patrol''</font></sup>]] 21:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::But what about the swing, Brian? {{User:Human/sig|}} 05:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I changed my vote, can I do that Steve? {{User:Human/sig|}} 08:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Johnson and his amazing big... thing ==
 
 
I just stumbled [http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm this weird gadget] - can anyone explain it to this physics flunker? Is it missionable? [[User:Totnesmartin|Totnesmartin]] ([[User talk:Totnesmartin|talk]]) 22:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Well, it certainly looks like a Perpetual Motion Machine, so I'm sure it's <s>the salvation of us all</s> total bollocks.  However, he looks like a nice old codger.  [[User:Doggedpersistence|'''<font color="#00F0A20">DogP</font>''']][[User_Talk:Doggedpersistence|<sup><font color="#993300">''Marmite Patrol''</font></sup>]] 22:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Energy ''ex vaccuo'' is the same as energy ''ex culo'', except with a new, fresher scent. [[User:Phallus of Satan|Phallus of Satan]] ([[User talk:Phallus of Satan|talk]]) 22:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
I much prefer the [http://illusioncontest.neuralcorrelate.com/2010/impossible-motion-magnet-like-slopes/ Supermagnet] that isn't.--{{User:Stunteddwarf/sig}} 23:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::The first paragraph under the picture sounds like it was written solely to confuse people. {{User:Tetronian/sig|}} 23:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 
A word of advice, Tottie:  don't put "johnson", and "amazing big... thing" in the same sentence if you don't want me to make sexual innuendos.  {{User:Radioactive afikomen/sig}} 00:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:(obituary)Howard Johnson Born June 1st, 1919, passed away January 2nd, 2008. Was he the motel guy or another Johnson ? His motor may have been perpetual , but he wasn't. RIP Howard [[User:Hamster|Hamster]] ([[User talk:Hamster|talk]]) 00:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I love Tom Bearden and his buddies, I ''really'' wish some of what they're on about was real - but it's not, sadly. {{User:DeltaStar/sig|}} 00:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't get it, and I consider myself to be fairly in the know about magnetism... {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 01:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::That's why you don't understand - because you have studied the topic. {{User:Human/sig|}} 01:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Help a brother out ==
 
 
I've been hearing about videos showing the Gaia goo gushing from the Gulf sea floor but have had no success in finding them.  Can anyone give me a pointer (and I don't mean a single finger salute) to where some might be found? {{User:Human/sig|}} 01:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
: try google video oil spill floor , it lists some or the same one several times [[User:Hamster|Hamster]] ([[User talk:Hamster|talk]]) 03:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
: perhaps [http://www.youtube.com/v/rlPPFcy-3Vo&hl=en_US&fs=1& THIS][[User:Hamster|Hamster]] ([[User talk:Hamster|talk]]) 03:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Oh shit, so it's a ''horizontal'' pipe that is broken.  Nice work, BP. And thanks, Hamster! {{User:Human/sig|}} 04:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Nah, that can't be genuine.  As I understand it, the leak is from the well they were plugging and abandoning when the blowout occured.  That video shows a leak from a subsea production pipeline - the leak will be coming from the wellhead, there's no production equipment (such as a pipeline) down there.  That said, the media reports have all been ''terrible'', I have not read a single one that sounds like it was written by anyone with a clue about deepwater drilling, and very different terms and phrases are used interchangeably, so it's difficult to know exactly what is going on. {{User:DeltaStar/sig|}} 17:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::It ''is'' [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8669018.stm from a pipeline]. [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] 17:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::In fact I believe there's more than one break in the line. [[File:TerrySmall.png|alt=SusanG|bottom|20px|link=User:SusanG]] [[Image:Toast s.png|alt=Toast|text-bottom|20px|link=User talk:SusanG]] 17:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::You see, this is the confusion that comes from sloppy journalism.  There isn't a "line" down there.  This was an exploration well, so there's no pipelines or anything down there.  Looking at the BBC clip you linked to, it looked like that ROV was fannying around on what's left of the riser above the stack. {{User:DeltaStar/sig|}} 19:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Wikipedia article statistics ==
 
 
These are the article view counts for Conservapedia compared against other WP articles in April 2010:
 
*[[Conservapedia]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/Conservapedia 11,643] hits
 
*[[Phyllis Schlafly]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/Phyllis%20Schlafly 20,392]
 
*[[Richard Dawkins]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/Richard%20Dawkins 116,040]
 
*[[David Frum]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/David_Frum 19,236]
 
*[[David Duke]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/David%20Duke 32,763]
 
*[[Christopher Hitchens]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/Christopher%20Hitchens 87,300]
 
*[[Atheism]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/Atheism 189,967]
 
*[[Fluffer]] [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/Fluffer 45,163]
 
RationalWiki doesn't have an article, but it received [http://stats.grok.se/en/201004/Rationalwiki 533 hits] from people looking for one. --[[User:Leotardo|Leotardo]] ([[User talk:Leotardo|talk]]) 04:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:We need article on David Frum. {{User:Human/sig|}} 05:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
In further comparison, Conservapedia's article [[cp:Conservapedia]] "has been accessed 39,781 times" in total.  I'm not sure how accurate their stats are, but if that's over the life of the project, then in four months more people learn about Conservapedia through Wikipedia than they do from Conservapedia itself.  [[cp:Phyllis Schlafly]] has been accessed 28,574 times.  --[[User:Leotardo|Leotardo]] ([[User talk:Leotardo|talk]]) 15:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Cracked and an interesting article ==
 
 
[http://www.cracked.com/article_18529_6-absurd-gender-stereotypes-that-science-says-are-true.html 6 Gender Stereotypes that Science Says Are True.] I found it to be an interesting read. {{User:Javascap/sig|}} 05:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Always fun. {{User:Human/sig|}} 06:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::Fun indeed. But I'm not totally convinced by the first one, which seems like ''post hoc'' evolutionary psychology gone wrong. {{:User:Armondikov/sig}} 07:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I believe that these stereotypes do have a grain of truth, that there is a general difference between men and women. However, one should think of the gender faculties as being like two overlapping distribution curvess. There will be different peaks but one gender will predominate at a particular skill. Of course that doesn't mean that a significant portion of the opposite gender won't be as equally gifted, and there will be outliers of one gender who can beat the majority of the other. If one thinks of tennis for example, Roger Federer will probabaly beat the top female player 9 times out of 10 but one of the Williams sisters would probably beat most male tennis players outside the top 10. {{User:Lily The Pink/sig}} 20:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Women always say I have "Go to bed" eyes. They look at them and say "Christ! Go to bed!" {{User:Crundy/Sig|}} 20:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Portal ==
 
 
Today, Steam, as part of a nefarious plot to cause students everywhere to fail their approaching exams, is allowing people to download the game Portal for free. Get it [http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/ here.] [[User:EddyP|EddyP]] ([[User talk:EddyP|talk]]) 16:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Yes, I've been playing that fucker ALL DAY....fascinating.  Now, back to Portal...  [[User:Doggedpersistence|'''<font color="#00F0A20">DogP</font>''']][[User_Talk:Doggedpersistence|<sup><font color="#993300">''Marmite Patrol''</font></sup>]] 16:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::And it's available for Mac OS. Woot! You, ''{SUBJECT NAME HERE}'', must be the pride of ''{SUBJECT HOMETOWN HERE}''! --[[User:Concernedresident|<font color="black">'''ConcernedResident'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Concernedresident|<font color=blue>vomit for the ladies</font>]]</sup> 16:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::And it also works under Linux. ''Eggselent'' [[User:Bondurant|Bondurant]] ([[User talk:Bondurant|talk]]) 17:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Portal is absolutely brilliant.  But never forget:  '''''The Cake Is A Lie'''''.  Also, kind of annoying that it's free, I paid for the game only a few months ago.  '''P.S.'''  When you complete the game hang around for the end song, well worth it.--{{User:Stunteddwarf/sig}} 18:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I'm trying to install it now, but, having installed all the Steam stuff, I'm getting the message that the servers are too busy to let me download the game.  {{User:Weaseloid/sigred}} 18:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::*Screams in delight* I really hope that my graphics drivers, which were screwed when I upgraded to Lucid, won't crash my X server when I try to play it. {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig}} 18:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::Cool.  I may now join all the others who actually paid for the game in feeling betrayed.  Hey Steam, gimme my fucking money back! --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 19:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::Yeah you probably can't download it at the moment, but go create an account and get your copy of the game linked to play it later. Portal is the best game ever. "For your safety, the Enrichment Centre is required to provide you with full health and safety information for each of these tasks, for example, the floor in this room will kill you, try to avoid it". {{User:Crundy/Sig|}} 19:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::::I see the offer is until May 24. {{User:Lily The Pink/sig}} 20:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::::As far as I can make out, it means as long as you register it before 24th you get it for free, rather than you can play the game for free until the 24th. {{User:Crundy/Sig|}} 20:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::Yes, that is what I meant, you don't have to rush over today to get it. {{User:Lily The Pink/sig}} 20:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::Right, with you. I thought you meant "AARRGH FUCK, IT'S ONLY UNTIL THE 24TH AND I'M LOSING VALUABLE PLAYING DAYS" umm, or something. What were we talking about?
 
::::::::::::Oh and, when you've finished, don't forget to download all the user contributed custom maps and play those as well! I can't remember the site and can't be arsed to look for it now so I'll post it tomorrow if I remember. {{User:Crundy/Sig|}} 20:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::: I don't really understand the fuss about portal. It's only original in the sense that it's the first such game I've seen that puts that kind of puzzle in to a first person 3D environment. What might be thought of as "story mode" is fun enough, but has zero replay value. Plus the achievement mode, where you struggle to figure out how to do a map taking only 3 steps, or using only one portal or whatever just strikes me as total masturbation and doesn't appeal at all. I think I might have liked more test chambers, and less of roaming through the barren back lot. The test chambers seemed to offer far more interesting puzzles. --{{:User:JeevesMkII/sig}} 21:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Ok for those who care. ==
 
 
I'm going better then last time and i may come back at making good article filled with unintentional spelling mistake this week, that is if you guy don't mind... since the last Incident... so what do you guy think?[[User:Waronstupidity|Waronstupidity]] ([[User talk:Waronstupidity|talk]]) 20:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:r0x0r!!11 Bring it on. (Glad you're feeling better by the way, Josh will be scared again) {{User:Crundy/Sig|}} 20:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:: I take my Medecine in a serious way (missed it one day only cause i was too sleepy)... but anyway the most nooby Rational user is back and more Healthy then ever.[[User:Waronstupidity|Waronstupidity]] ([[User talk:Waronstupidity|talk]]) 20:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Welcome back, Warren! Don't think you're going to out-noob Josh though. {{User:DeltaStar/sig|}} 20:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Echoing what someone else said before, don't ever think "I'm better now, I can stop taking my meds" unless your doctor says so. I know that sounds obvious but you'd be surprised at the number of people who do that. {{User:Crundy/Sig|}} 20:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== In Our Time ==
 
 
One of the best programmes on BBC's Radio 4 is ''In Our Time'', where Melvyn Bragg discusses topics usually of an historical or scientific theme with a group of experts. This morning he was [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s9ftw discussing the ideas of William James] (the brother of novelist Henry James) about religious experience. I heartily recommend this to all those who are interested in the psychological nature of religion. Some of our non-UK editors may find things of interest [http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/in-our-time/ in previous episodes].  I understand that the BBC's radio progs are downloadable from anywhere. {{User:Lily The Pink/sig}} 20:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Nostalgia just hit me recently..... ==
 
 
And i felt the need to play old game of my childhood (super nintendo and N64).... ahhhhhh goldeneye.....
 
I know much of you guy are over 30 but im 19 and miss the day of when old game like Zelda Ocarina of time was teh SHIT!
 
Anyone else felt nostalgia about something recently? [[User:Waronstupidity|Waronstupidity]] ([[User talk:Waronstupidity|talk]]) 21:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:I've just finished my first year of university and I am generally bumming around reminiscing of times past. Primarily high school and the last year of university. Oh, and this one time I saw a squirrel and took a picture of it. That was a good day. {{User:SuperJosh/Sig|}} 21:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 

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