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Bartop revamp (sticky)

There's talk of clearing up some of the clutter at the top of this page. See discussion here. ŴêâŝêîôîďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 10:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Back when I was a kid...

I had an IBM 486. I got used to using WordPerfect DOS... it was fast and useful and did what it was told without trying to "help". I'm having a really hard time finding a 386 or 486 desktop (all the ones on Ebay cost a fortune for some reason), which I'd like to get to run as a native DOS system with WordPerfect. Any RWians out there know of a place in the UK that gets rid of old "junk" systems of that vintage, or have one they don't need? I'm in London but have family in B'ham who can pick stuff up from around that way, or I'm willing to pay for postage for the system box. Not looking for a monitor, just sys box, and a decent traditional style keyboard if it has one.

Also if Anyone has a copy of WP 6.x DOS on disk, can they let me know? I've got 5.2 but I could really use the TrueType support without having Windows keeping BSODing me (don't say it because I'll never get the picture out of my mind) --TheEgyptiansig001.png 13:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Without paying some wank too much money for something he perceives has value, I'm sure you could just build one for cheap, although I'm sure you'd find your self asking "why". Maybe smoke a little pot, get a DOS emulator and just pretend. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 14:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Was thinking that. You can get 486 mobos and old EDO ram for a reasonable price, and might do that if I can't find a complete system - just too lazy to do it unless I have to (I could learn to use Windows and MS Word properly, but... meh...) --TheEgyptiansig001.png 14:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I wish I'd kept all those old motherboards, processors and memory that I've discarded over the years, although the furthest back I could have gone would have been a Pentium board. Still have a working Spectrum +2 in the loft though. Neveruse is right, it'd be far, far easier to use Dosemu and find a copy of WordPerfect on an abandonware website. Bondurant (talk) 14:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of emulators, put this into the BASIC prompt of a spectrum emulator:

10 PLOT 128, 0: DRAW 0, 155, 2771 * PI

Then run it. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 14:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
You could always take a less old system and just put DOS on it.. I mean, there may be issues finding a network card that supports it, but it shouldn't be that hrd. Dual-boot that shit! DOS/Windows 7 box!!! As far as an old version of WP, you may be SOL, and honestly, I literally just threw away a copy. Like, a week ago. Abandonware site is likely the way to go. Quaru (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 ::::: Thanks for your ideas... I tried downloading a copy of WP6 from Vetusware a while back, but I couldn't get it to install (come up file not found when installing the import/export converters). Does DOS 6.x run OK on newer systems? I don't have a working desktop so I'll have to get some kind of system anyway, and if I can avoid windows I'd much prefer it (I've got it on my laptop for the internet and stuff, this system wouldn't be networked, it just be for document editing. --TheEgyptiansig001.png 14:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
To my knowledge, it should just work.. (and any wired network card should as well) But I have not tried it in years, so I guess I don't know. I mean, the standard caveats apply, as it cannot use large disks, cannot access more than X ram, etc.. So unless the 16-bit layer has been removed in modern microprocessors (which may be, I haven't written any 16-bit code in.. ever. ) But, and maybe there's some other reason against it, but what about Linux? I know it will run on a modern system, and would get you off of windows.. That's how I switched to Linux.. got very sick of Windows. And it has a quite good dos emulator for it, as well. Quaru (talk) 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Seriously? Just take your modern system and run VirtualBox on it, and install DOS (or Windows 3.1) on that - David Gerard (talk) 17:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's quite the same has having the actual 386/486 chip running it. It's not the point just to access the capabilities of the program, you have to have the hardware backing up the entire experience. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 18:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
There is also FreeDOS, which at a cursory glance appears to be binary-compatible and should run on modern chipsets, but I'm not totally sure. Word drug Hoover! 18:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
I have a vague confirmation on that from some guy on #esoteric, so it's probably worth a shot. Try it in qemu or something first, though. Word drug Hoover! 18:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
About a year or so ago a friend of mine (a total computer/programming geek) and his brother were struggling to do something similar to play an old game that simply didn't work on modern speed processors. I got rid of my old 286 and 386s many years ago, sadly. But I probably still have a "big round plug" KB around somewhere. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Was it one of those old games that used the time the processor took to do instructions for timing? If so, there's probably an ingenious hack for it, since it's just a matter of reducing the clock speed. Word drug Hoover! 20:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Probably. I think they may have also gotten caught up in the thrill of the project, that is, building a retro box from scraps. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
That reminds me, I knew a guy in my first job who had a spectrum (48k? the one with the squelchy keyboard anyway) which he had hacked to fuck and he was using it as a test DHCP server! CrundyTalk nerdy to me 08:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I recently took my missus's old CRT telly to the dump/recycling centre (after trying to give it away on freecycle and on the advert board in the supermarket - someone did at least take the VCR), and they had a container for TVs, monitors and computers. It was full, and the guy said they fill it three times a week. Don't know if you'll find one quite of that vintage, but worth a look. I think I still have an IBM PS/1 at my parents' somewhere, if they've not chucked it out like my Dad's old XT clone... DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 21:14, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Re DOS on a modern machine. I can see no reason why it wouldn't work; one of the significant things about the x86 and subsequent CPUs is that they have always maintained complete backwards compatabilityI think. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 21:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Correct, it will work. The only systems it won't would be an Intel Macs (which lacks 80x25 text displays), and even if MS-Dos series don't, FreeDos can easily handle that instead. --Sigma 7 (talk) 23:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Are you sure? I though I rememberd reading somewhere that the x86-64 ditched some older compatabilities? maybe it would apply to much older versions of DOS.. Like, I thought they dumped 8-bit mode, finally? I guess I don't recall what it was, offhand... Quaru (talk) 00:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Guns in Church

We here in Louisiana are almost ready to pass a bill that will allow guns in church. Would the chance of the preacher getting killed outweigh the general stupidity of this? I'm a gun owner, and I cannot think of any reason to bring a gun to church, neither could several other people I talked to. Tyrannis (talk) 14:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it;s more the philosophy of "I have a right to bring a gun anywhere" than a legitimate reason to bring a gun to church. Although there was this tragedy in my hometown that I suppose would be a justification to pack heat in God's house, but it's probably the Knoxvile church least likely to have gun-toting members, and the shooter was stopped without anyone firing at him.
Does the Louisiana bill allow churches to say "we don't allow guns, period"? If not, that seems like an infringement on private property rights. MDB (talk) 14:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, mosques, synagogues, and churches may say "no guns". The bill is currently going to Jindal. My church has liberal pastors(a rarity here), but a mostly conservative congregation. So what happens is anyone's guess.Tyrannis (talk) 14:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
The best way to stop a crazy person shooting people in a crowded building is for more crazy people to start shooting. I think these people think this will deter crazy people from choosing churches as shooting galleries, but that fails to take into consideration the crazy. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:13, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Right, because then the crazy peoplepeople with guns can't tell each other apart and soon enough there won't be any more crazy peoplepeople with guns to shoot at each other. Deny that 2+2=4 and lose all credibility. ÑR/Señor Admin/Hablar 15:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't saying that they couldn't tell them apart, I'm saying that people shooting guns in a crowded room is a recipe for more people being shot. guns + crowds + panic + guns = crossfire. I'm assuming metal detectors would somehow be unacceptable to these yahoos. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Looks like someone's been reading Conservapedia!-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 15:19, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
This may reduce the evangelical vote a bit. Tyrannis (talk) 15:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
If someone in the LA leg has been reading conservapedia, that would explain the stupidity running rampant there.Tyrannis (talk) 15:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
WTF? When did you need a law to allow something that is given as a default? Is this to prevent churches from refusing to allow you to carry a gun on their property, because fuck, crazy liberal Washington state allows you to carry guns everywhere except banks, federal buildings, and certain places like courthouses, possibly schools, etc. There was a big row awhile ago about Starbucks letting people bring guns into their store. Starbucks said, "it's not fucking illegal, and we don't want to argue with customers who have guns." Seriously, this confuses me. --Eira omtg! The Goat be praised. 23:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Churches are like schools, at least here, have been "gun-free" zones. A bill to allow guns at LSU died last year, but they resurrect it ever so often, each time getting closer to passing. I go to LSU, and I carry a knife for utility purposes. But the last thing we need is guns, as we already burn rival coaches in effigy. When a former coach came with his new team he had an armed police escort, with helicopters, to protect him. Couple that with a hard drinking college, and you have a disaster. Tyrannis (talk) 12:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I say allow guns, ban college sports. DickTurpis (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The way LSU's current budget is, it is more like ban research, fund sports. Tyrannis (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll give him credit for his honesty, at least

Mike Huckabee opposes gay marriage because he thinks same-sex relationships are icky.

Mike, from looking at your picture, I think your marriage is pretty icky, too. MDB (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Mick Hickabee is just as insane as any CONservapedian, but at least he's an honest nutter. The Goonie Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 01:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

EFF! !

As if the bloody Footy wasn't enuff - now we've got WIMBLEDON! Anyone wanna buy a telly? (or at least rent one until Jul or so) 17:05, 21 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Yippee, for two weeks of the year the country pretends to care about tennis! Scarlet A.pngd hominem 19:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
It's a hell of a lot easier than pretending to care about soccer. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 12:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Worst Majors: Golf Management

So, I'm looking at the WIGO for Conservapedia, and it links in about the V-Tech shooter studying English lit, and I look at their page, and I see that they're dissing on Golf Management as being a bad major. Have any of you known someone who took Professional Golf Management? It's a business degree. You walk out of class, and can get nearly any management job in the world... wtf is wrong with people not adding two and two together? --Eira omtg! The Goat be praised. 23:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Some degrees that seems dumb actually have a point. My university offers a diploma (not even a full bachelor) in wine marketing and they are amongst the highest paid graduates. - π 01:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
But why didn't you bring this up at talk:wigo CP? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Uh... 'cause? It's not really "what's going on" it was dropped in during the second edit by TK... --Eira omtg! The Goat be praised. 05:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
We treat WIGO CP talk as a general discussion forum for Conservapedia. - π 06:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
In a more general sense about odd-looking degrees, I have to say that "golf course management" was the best one I could find in the UCAS book (maybe there's been a better one come along in the last 6 years, though). But from what I gather of the course itself, it is just a business and general management degree with some stuff about managing grass on top of it - a more specific type of an "Events Management" foundation degree. And considering how freaking seriously golfers take their sport (it's the only kind of sport I know where they'll throw you out for wearing the wrong trousers) it's unsurprising that they'd organise a degree in it, you'd damn well need the specialist training to break into that sort of thing. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 12:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Problems connecting

Yesturday around 04:30 (UTC) I couldn't connect to RationalWiki or RationalWikiWiki. Was anyone else unable to connect? Does anyone know why? (Apparently some users may not notice when the have been blocked and it almost sounded like there may be "illegitimate" blocks. [1]) Lumenos (talk) 00:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

That's when the backup suite runs, it kills about a half hour of connectivity. RWW is on the same server, so it gets taken out as well. It's a good time of night to get another hobby, briefly. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh look, there it went again. - π 04:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Pi b eat me to that. Fucking transcendentalism overwhelms my mere mortal coil. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
If you ever need to check the status go here. - π 04:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I found that status section, thanks. Lumenos (talk) 06:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes it can be deceptive. The server load can be very low and yet we have connectivity issues. I assume that's because if there's connectivity issues there's not enough going on with the server to register as "high"! In my experience that's best as a proxy for how the site will perform while you're on it, not if you're going to connect to Trent's office or not. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 12:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't think backup is particularly server/CPU intensive, it's bandwidth intensive. And during one stage, the server is actually off-line. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I thought the backup made the site go offline because the database can't change while it's running, and even viewing a page requires that the view count be updated. Word drug Hoover! 15:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Nx did mention something about the view count being a hurdle, especially when the site gets slash-dotted. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 15:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Back up operates in several phases which effect site performance in two different ways:

  1. The database is locked so an xml dump of the cite content can be created for rationalwiki:Content dumps. The database has to lock so that no changes are made during the creation of the dump which can damage the tables. Since the database is locked Mediawiki gets an error when it tries to connect. This will create several problems on the users end, ranging from a generic "connection refused by server" message to some of the Mediawiki errors such as the "RationalWiki has a problem." This takes 10-15 minutes.
  2. After the content dump is created it uploaded offline where it can be downloaded by anyone. The upload sucks up between 75-90 percent of our upload bandwidth on the internet connection. The site is accessible during this stage but will load slow and appear sluggish due to the much more limited upload bandwidth. This taks 5-10 minutes.
  3. With the content dump done for the night the backup script locks the database once again in order to hotcopy the complete database structure for the full backup. Once more no changes can take place during the hot copy so you will go back to getting the server errors or RW can't connect to the database errors. This takes about 20 minutes.
  4. The contents of the rationalwiki home directory, which contains software, extensions, and images, as well as the database dump are uploaded offsite. We use rsync so that only the parts of files that have changed, or new files are uploaded. This will cap upload bandwidth and while the site is accessible it will appear sluggish and load slowly. The amount of time this take depends on how many new images have been uploaded and how many pages have been edited that day. Usually 15-20 minutes.

The total backup time ranges from about 60-90 minutes, during which the sites performance is effected. Only about half that time is it completely non-accessible. The backup runs every night at midnight EST. tmtoulouse 17:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Esso's turn

Whoops. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 12:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Pah, we laugh at the pathetic retaliation of the US! ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 19:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Do McCain voter lack macheesemo?

It is funny that you notice things you didn't see before. - π 12:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh heh. It's an interesting excuse for being unable to perform on the night. Possible class action suit led by Pele? ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 11:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

iOS rendering oddness

Any else upgraded an iPhone to iOS 4 and found that the edit boxes are rendering in such a way that your text can't be read? ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 19:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

No! (and) Ha! Bloody IPhones. 19:24, 22 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Anyone else bought an iPhone and then felt stupid and raped? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 21:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I'd ask for a refund if those were included. I'm pretty sure they're not listed on the box. ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 23:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I like my iPhone. You can even make phone calls with it. Me!Sheesh!Mine! 23:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
"Raped", Crundy? Um, I don't think you're using it right. DickTurpis (talk) 14:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Dunno: a phone on "vibrate" can be fun (ever wondered what those front trouser/jean/pants pockets were for?) 15:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

We should have a smart phone OS flame war. Soon Android will take over the world. --Alienfromspace (talk) 18:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Qt beats anything java anyday in all categories. All the Apple Safari only STANDARDHTML5!1!! fanboys will love WRT. Meego is the future. --Swedmann (talk) 19:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I have an Android! I love it. And much Qt <3. And... Hmm... Go vi!!! Quaru (talk) 22:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Magical healing and me

As I am the manger of the PR/media department for the company I work for, when it comes down to promoting something within the industry I have the final say. Somehow the promoters of a lying scam artist health woo promoter got my details and would like me to help in promoting an event through my industry network. I take great pleasure is saying no. If I owned this company I'd say "no, because it's bullshit" but nonetheless I am satisfied with a simple "no". Acei9 21:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Can you not say "no" but with a politely worded "because it's bullshit" response? Like "Thank you for your enquiry. Regrattably, we will be unable to take your request further, as there is insufficient scientific evidence for the activities you promote, and we are dedicated to ensuring we only partner with evidence-based methodologies and practices. We wish you all the best in your endevour". CrundyTalk nerdy to me 21:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Heh, I suppose I could. Acei9 21:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
You could at least have pointed them in the direction of people in an ethically similar line of business who have a great deal of experience in email-based marketting. Much of their work is showcased over at www.419eater.com. ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 11:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
You should come up with some PR woo and sell it to the health woo people for a pile of cash. --Alienfromspace (talk) 18:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Proud to have reached a great milestone.

I have now achieved a share ratio of unity on my favourite pornography bit torrent tracker. Wank.gif
Porn milestone.png
DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 07:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

So your pr0n collection now exceeds 100Gb? Umm, congrats, I guess. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 07:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
ummmmm, yeah. Nice one. Acei9 08:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, umm, keep it up, I guess. - π 08:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I think he has been SNORT SNORT CrundyTalk nerdy to me 08:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words, chaps. On the snort snort, it does amuse me when pornog torrenters complain that people aren't seeding enough FNAR FNAR! DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 08:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Hehe, I forgot about Finbar Saunders (and his double entendres):
  • When demonstrating how easy it is to take off the camera lens he says "A few quick twists of the wrist and it comes off in a couple of seconds... Mind you I haven't had it off in ages, so it was very stiff this morning"
CrundyTalk nerdy to me 09:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Um. Please tell me you are trying to make some sort of joke, otherwise this is really quite sad. Hmm, a DVD holds (for ease of math) 3 hours of movie and for ease of math, I'll say it that is 8GIB, and your 113 is also GIB, so, at least 13 hours of porn. If it is .avi, I have a 85 minute B-movie in AVI, it is 745.3MB, or ~8.76MB/min. 113*1024/8.76 = 13209min = ~220hrs of porn. Over 9 days of Porn. I am not against it, but why do you need so much porn? Tyrannis (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Dude, streaming is the future, you don't need to download it. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 14:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Porn is disappointing by definition, that's why some of us keep downloading more and more of it. More often than not, I fast-forward through a 60min movie in about 5-10min, and never watch it again. I don't find 200 hours of porn surprising, probably I have downloaded a similar quantity in my life. Sad? It probably is, but there could be worse... and my ratio on that tracker is actually greater than yours. --Alienfromspace (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Um. Ok... Tyrannis (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Entertaining downloads

Reading Michael Shermer's latest eSkeptic posting I found two PDFs that may be of interest:

  1. Top 10 Things You Should Know About Alternative Medicine
  2. Learn to be a Psychic in 10 Easy Lessons

 Lily Inspirate me. 12:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Quite nice. Although some of the formatting is "interesting" in places. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 14:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Brian Blessed


For you UK-based Brian Blessed fans out there, the world's shoutiest actor is making a battle cry for the England team ahead of the game. Bondurant (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't see anything from Brian Blessed there -- is it only accessible from the UK?
Wait, excuse me, that's not properly formated considering the subject.
It's a live feed from the Beeb. Premusably when Bondurant posted it, it was revelant. 14:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnoz2gp6QrM

But personally, I think this is a better battle cry:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTHypbLlkE&feature=related (It come in at 3:07)Ryantherebel (talk) 14:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

This YouYube comment sums it up best: "Who needs vuvuzelas when you have Brian Blessed?"
Of course, if stakes were considerably higher, you could say "Who needs atomic weapons when you haveBrian Blessed?" MDB (talk) 14:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Just walked to the shops. Ever pub with t'telly on has bouncers & coppers on the door. Shops nice & man-free. 14:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I have a letter from him agreeing to be my society's official "shoutsperson", like a "spokesperson" but louder. And the Have I Got News For You appearance is classic. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 15:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that this is a better team talk.  Lily Inspirate me. 16:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

This was also a good one. Bondurant (talk) 12:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


So the morning Right-radio guys have the former prime minister of Canada on their show this morning. And they gush over the fact that he grew Canada's economy. They ask him how they did it. He says banking regulation and tax cuts, then adds that the US needs to reregulate the banking industry fast, then signs off. The (further) right-wing host tells his other host that this means everyone needs a tax cut NOW. The other (centre-right) host says that regulation may be required and then comments that the prime minister was... a Liberal. The further other host sits in silence for several minutes until resuming the TAX CUTS NOW blather. Tyrannis (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Is assfly still married?

Just wondering. Don't get any ideas. rationalI don't care 13:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Strange question. I rather think you'd have read it all over if he wasn't. 13:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Inappropriate subject matter in my opinion. Leave this poor woman out of it. She's never been part of CP, and in fact he's never so much as said a single thing about her. ÑR/Señor Admin/Hablar 14:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, inappropriate stuff to care about. However, we can snark it up by pretending that he is in an "it's complicated" with TK. Banana.gif Scarlet A.pngd hominem 14:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
This is totally inappropriate, but I'm just going to throw my two cents in... lol — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 15:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Pardon my moment of national pride, but...




(I can't find a decent link yet, but the US beat Algeria.) MDB (talk) 16:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I found a link. MDB (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm an American, and I'm a little upset that the US is moving on. I am ready for soccer to fade back into obscurity. Bandwagon fans make me sick. Call me anti-American if you want, but I think it's anti-American to like soccer. Keegscee (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I will readily admit to only being interested because the US is doing good. At least I'll honestly admit to being a fair weather fan.
As a complete aside, one of my most conservative friends is a soccer fan, and is rather dismayed by the American right's contempt for soccer. MDB (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
You should be aware that it's quite common for teams topping their groups to crash and burn in the knock-outs whereas the eventual winners often struggle at the same stage. Jus' sayin'. Ajkgordon (talk) 20:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I woke up early just to watch the match and ened up waking up my roommate (and probably most of my apartment complex) celebrating when the US scored that last minute goal. I love football year round and I am always ashamed that Americans are too stupid and/or lazy to understand such an amazing sport. SirChuckBObama/Biden? 2012 21:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I take offense to that statement. Conceptually, soccer is one of the easiest sports to understand. Sure, there are probably things going on that many of us don't see or appreciate, but it is nowhere near as complex as football, which most Americans love. We could get into a whole philosophical debate about why Americans don't like soccer as much as the rest of the world, but I can say for sure that it is not because we are stupid and lazy. (Don't get me wrong. We ARE stupid and lazy, but that is not the reason we don't like soccer). Keegscee (talk) 00:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
(@AKJ): Yes, but thankfully, the USA finishing in first means that they'll play Ghana instead of Germany in the next round. Who gets that honor, you may ask? England! Junggai (talk) 21:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Hah! Nice! And as an american who cares not about Soccer, I always watch the US in the world cup. I watched it more last time, in fact, than I did this time. Not having cable sucks... Quaru (talk) 00:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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I was screaming at the telly yesterday afternoon at the England vs Slovenia game. My father text me after the match saying, "Relief! But 2nd to USA!" Then I had to go to work after an afternoon of drinking. SJ Debaser 11:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Irony.... or is it?

Someone who knows these things better than me.... Would excessive photoshopping over an image of an American flag be considered a violation of the flag code? Either way, that picture is god awful. SirChuckBObama/Biden? 2012 16:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I doubt simply displaying writing on a (somewhat stylized) image of the flag would count as a violation. If someone created an actual flag with that written on it, then yes, it would be a violation.
However, we all know that if the flag code was actually enforced, it would only be in cases where someone perceived an act or display as overt disrespect. That's why you'd never see, for instance, the prosecution a car dealer who flies a flag designed to be seen from a great distance, despite the fact the flag code prohibits using the flag for advertising purposes. MDB (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Either way, it's quite a horrendous piece of art. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 16:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The comments are amusing e.g.: "... We have less theft, murder, and other crimes than other countries...." 16:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
It's like a U.S. flag had sex with an early 21st century MySpace page. The persecution thing sounds serious. I have enough hope for America to believe that one day Americans shall be free to fly the flag, express their appreciation for their country, and maybe even pray privately in schools. Fight for your freedoms my flag humping FaceBook brothers and sisters, and please do not breed, vote, or wear seatbelts! ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 21:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Loneliness of the long distance tennis player

As I watch Wimbledon, Mahut v. Isner stands at 2 sets each and 35-games each in the fifth. Evidently this is some sort of record, they've been playing for over 6½ hours.  Lily Inspirate me. 17:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Wait, what happened to a tie break? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 17:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
No tie breaks in the fifth set. It's now 41-41 and approaching 8 hours.  Lily Inspirate me. 17:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The worst part is that one of these players is meant to be playing tomorrow as well—ouch!--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 18:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
They suspended it due to darkness at 59-59. Incredible. Keegscee (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
That is amazing indeed. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Aaand they're off again. Currently 63-62, with serve. I sense energy drink and/or anti-perspirant endorsment deals for both players when (if?) the match finishes. Bondurant (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps Viagra - How long can you keep it up for? Amazingly they have now been playing for as long as some TV series. We have sweepstake in the office for how many games it goes to, I've got 102-100.  Lily Inspirate me. 15:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


I just felt a very minor earthquake (first of my life) in eastern upstate NY. I'm getting word on facebook of it being felt in Buffalo, Ohio, Michigan, and Toronto. Anyone here notice anything in the last 20 minutes? DickTurpis (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Not in my neck of the woods.  Lily Inspirate me. 18:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Just heard it was a 5.5 on the Ontario/Quebec border. Weird that I felt it so far away. DickTurpis (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Yep, got a good jolt here in Hamilton. They evacuated our lab building and then proceeded to yell at us because it didn't go the way it was suppose to. Apparently there is a collection of hockey nets in the emergency stairwell. tmtoulouse 18:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Here's a link to an AP story. I'm not making the obvious joke about "feeling the earth move", though. MDB (talk) 18:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Just heard about it from a talk radio caller. Felt nothing here in NH. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
53 km NNE from here, you better believe I felt it. And here I was in the basement of an office building, feeling it all around me. Needless to say, I got the rest of the day off. --Kels (talk) 19:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
My residents up on the 10th floor felt it, and we're near Detroit.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --yada yada 19:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Supposedly it made it to Boston, but I didn't notice anything. --MarkGall (talk) 19:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I had no idea what the heck happened but things shook a bit here. ĵ₳¥ášÇ♠ʘ thinking of what to say next 20:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Supposedly, it could be felt here... (a bit north of Detroit) I was too busy sleeping... Quaru (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


"I have accepted his resignation..." most definitely was the euphemism it often is. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

" ... His older brother, retired Colonel Scott McChrystal, was an Army Chaplain, and is the endorsing agent for the Assemblies of God. ..." (WP) I know it's his bro - not him (& I've got a cousin who married a vicar) but ... 21:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I've no idea about the details of this but it looks like another case of a professional treading on the politicians' toes and having to pay the price.  Lily Inspirate me. 07:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Same thing happened to McArthur. Acei9 07:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
No, it was some serious dumbfuckery on the general's part, inviting a Rolling Stone reporter to join him in Paris, getting plastered the first night together with everyone in his entourage, then spending the next couple of days badmouthing his civilian superiors in the White House (though not exactly saying anything directly about Obama). The reporter was actually stunned that they were so relaxed about it, and wondered what game was up. Then the ash cloud happened, and a two-day assignment turned into a month-long fly on the wall situation. Junggai (talk) 07:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

The siren's call chaos

So the G20 meeting is in Toronto this weekend. G20 meetings usually equal complete chaos. Protest zone is around Queen's Park. I want to go watch...but tear gas and sound cannons do not differentiate protesters from the curious.....tmtoulouse 20:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Carry a placard that says "Just Curious". Acei9 20:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
They spent over a billion dollars on security. The least you could do is go apeshit crazy. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
No, just stay at home. Then next time some bureaucrat will wonder why they spend a billion on unnecessary security, and then you can strike. Word drug Hoover! 21:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
What happens if you show up with riot armor, a gasmask, a video camera, and "Just Curious, Peaceful and Unarmed" sign? Would that keep you safe from the police? ÑR/Señor Admin/Hablar 21:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Reminds me of late summer '08 when the RNC was here in Minneapolis/St. Paul, and my friends and I were at the protests the first three nights. The first two nights weren't so bad, but the third night is when the cops started attacking anyone on sight that didn't look Republican, regardless of what they were doing. Sure, you heard about them going after so-called "anarchists," but nobody outside of the local press covered the downtown St. Paul employees and businessmen that also got arrested, teargassed, and/or beaten just because they were trying to go to work. Lord of the Goons The official spikey-haired skeptical punk 01:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


A poll asking if we are under god 21:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Nonsense! Jesus is clearly a bottom. --Kels (talk) 21:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Trinity implies versatility, Kels.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --yada yada 21:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Creative masturbation, I suppose. --Kels (talk) 21:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Ha! She said "creative"!!!!! 21:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
By the time I tried the poll, it was 92% "take it out". --Gulik (talk) 22:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
"take it out?" That's what she said . . . Me!Sheesh!Mine! 22:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
It's up to 94%. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, why do they need a national pledge of allegiance in the first place? We get along without one on this side of the pond.  Lily Inspirate me. 07:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


Remember kids, always treat your lighting as if it is loaded Sen (talk) 02:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

"Solid Rock Church" ([the statue was made from] plastic foam and fibreglass over a steel frame.) LOL.  Lily Inspirate me. 07:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Australian PM doubletake

"Julia Gillard becomes the first female prime minister of Australia after wrestling the leadership of the governing Labor Party from incumbent Kevin Rudd". What? Puts glasses on - "...after wresting the leadership...". Ah, now that makes more sense, but you never can tell with Australian politics.  Lily Inspirate me. 07:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

What's this madness then.....

Clicked on WND banner and, wow, this is madness. "Why Atheists in America Love Death!", "...atheists are working to trigger the collapse of law and order in America". A masterpiece. Acei9 07:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is it from "Solutions From Science"?  Lily Inspirate me. 08:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
On reflection (and linked to Pharyngulated section above) isn't demanding that someone publicly and continually pledges allegiance to the state and gOD a foundation stone of totalitarian society? Anyway, I've got extra tins of beans under the stairs, stocked up on pre-VAT rise Gordons gin and a gold sovereign on my mother's charm bracelet, just in case everything does go wrong.  Lily Inspirate me. 09:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
They really tick all the boxes: Atheists, godless socialist minions, Hitler, Judgement Day, public education, evolution, godless science, new world order, police state, FEMA camps, etc. Also, for some reason, the old 17th stuff about standing armies. Where did that bit come from? Broccoli (talk) 10:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Foundation -- One month warning

I will be moving ahead with establishing the RationalWiki Foundation in about a month. It will transfer ownership of everything to a non-profit lead by community elected trustees. The current proposed by-laws are at: RationalWiki:Proposed bylaws.

Several issues that maybe worth discussing further:

  • The name which stands at "The RationalWiki Foundation"
  • The statement of purpose
  • The structure, terms, ect. of the trustees.

If you have something to say now is the time to chime in! tmtoulouse 15:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Missing cat

Can you make me a poster? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 15:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I was really hoping that you did lose your cat, so I'd be able to say that you're a fat wanker who lost his cat. How I would have laughed and experienced such joy. (talk) 15:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)