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:::::Pi has a great point, but I'm gonna answer this here for ease of reading... Once again, SS... Something that has been explained SEVERAL TIMES!!!!!!! Being a commander and chief and ordering a strike or a war is not, repeat IS NOT why we call someone a hawk.  The term hawk desribes people who actively cheer war.  Obama is certainly not a hawk, he campaigned agaisnt  war.  His troop increase is meant to finish a war he inherited.  Now, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and the others who are calling on Obama to attack North Korea and destroy their launch facilities.... They are hawks... Do you understand that?  The people cheering the war and demaning they go are hawks.  Also, a person is not a chickenhawk simply because they didn't serve.  Chickenhawks are the ones who ACTIVELY avoided service for some BS reason.... Can you comprehend this?  or are we just gonna wait a few months and go through this all again? '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 11:59, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 
:::::Pi has a great point, but I'm gonna answer this here for ease of reading... Once again, SS... Something that has been explained SEVERAL TIMES!!!!!!! Being a commander and chief and ordering a strike or a war is not, repeat IS NOT why we call someone a hawk.  The term hawk desribes people who actively cheer war.  Obama is certainly not a hawk, he campaigned agaisnt  war.  His troop increase is meant to finish a war he inherited.  Now, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and the others who are calling on Obama to attack North Korea and destroy their launch facilities.... They are hawks... Do you understand that?  The people cheering the war and demaning they go are hawks.  Also, a person is not a chickenhawk simply because they didn't serve.  Chickenhawks are the ones who ACTIVELY avoided service for some BS reason.... Can you comprehend this?  or are we just gonna wait a few months and go through this all again? '''[[user:SirChuckB|<font color="#000066" >SirChuckB</font>]]'''{{User:SirChuckB/signature}} 11:59, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 
::::::Why the shouting again? You (and EVDebs) got all hot under the collar about this last time too and started a flame and revert war.  Calm down.  First: "Being a commander and chief and ordering a strike or a war is not, repeat IS NOT why we call someone a hawk.  The term hawk desribes people who actively cheer war." - agreed, and if you had any reading comprehension skills at all you would have noticed that I am dubious about anyone who would claim Obama is a hawk, just sayin' if the term is going to be thrown at any Republican who clearly does not meet that definition of a hawk either (for example, Dan Quayle, or Ronald Reagan) anyone could just as easily apply the label to Obama.  The term is a juvenile, partisan, subjective political epithet, and nothing more. [[User:Secret Squirrel|Secret Squirrel]] 12:51, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
 
::::::Why the shouting again? You (and EVDebs) got all hot under the collar about this last time too and started a flame and revert war.  Calm down.  First: "Being a commander and chief and ordering a strike or a war is not, repeat IS NOT why we call someone a hawk.  The term hawk desribes people who actively cheer war." - agreed, and if you had any reading comprehension skills at all you would have noticed that I am dubious about anyone who would claim Obama is a hawk, just sayin' if the term is going to be thrown at any Republican who clearly does not meet that definition of a hawk either (for example, Dan Quayle, or Ronald Reagan) anyone could just as easily apply the label to Obama.  The term is a juvenile, partisan, subjective political epithet, and nothing more. [[User:Secret Squirrel|Secret Squirrel]] 12:51, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
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"The term is a juvenile, partisan, subjective political epithet." You say that like there's something wrong with it. I mean, fuck, whatever happened to all the fun in the world? This is a goofy wiki, not the Meet the  Press or the Times of London. If you want serious use of political terms and not juvenile name calling, I thing you've come to the wrong place. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 12:56, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

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This is a bizarrely sober article. Perhaps too sober. And it's not really RW-style, is it? I'm turning on the blinking red light for this one. Doggedpersistance 19:38, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I don't wanna rain on anyone's parade... but this is a lot on information that anyone could get from Wikipedia... Someone has obviously worked hard on this, so I don't wanna just chop away, but If there are no objections, I wanna have a crack at it. user:SirChuckB 18:39, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Eh, I think someone wrote this for CP and copied it here. Think "Ice...". It's sort of funny, in the context of all our snarky state articles, to have one like this, isn't it? The tyke is a diligent researcher, after all. humanUser talk:Human 21:16, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Could do with a bit of reorg, though. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 21:18, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Teh Wedge does not organize, he just keeps adding sections. Just be thankful that the spelling is gud! (PS, obviously we can feel free to fix it) humanUser talk:Human 21:50, 15 January 2008 (EST)
We don't need no stinkin organization. ;) Just could change a word or two here and there to snark it up a bit. It's already mostly written in a deadpan style that could pass for borderline parody. Just needs an alteration here and there. Mush! Secret Squirrel 22:09, 15 January 2008 (EST)
My point exactly. humanUser talk:Human 00:03, 16 January 2008 (EST)

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I think the new pic that was added (the flag) is at best lame and at worst, the exdact type of stupid rehashing of "scary" terms we accuse the right of. Palin is nothing even close to a Facist..... I mean, for crying out loud, facism rejects religion for extreme nationalism.... Can we do something about this? SirChuckBCall the FBI 23:49, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Absolutely, as long as all the "chickenhawk" articles go too. Y'know, the exact type of stupid rehashing of "scary" terms we accuse the right of. Secret Squirrel 23:57, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
(EC) Agreed. That Sinclair Lewis quote was misattributed anyway. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 23:57, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
Wasn't that actually a Huey Long quote? Secret Squirrel 23:58, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

@ Secret Squirrel--"fascism" is a real thing, and Sarah Palin ain't it. "Chickenhawk"--as our article describes it--is a neologism used to describe a particular kind of subject, and all our examples seem to fit the bill. Not sure I follow your logic...TheoryOfPractice 00:04, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

They're both political epithets that don't actually mean anything substantial. Real fascism hasn't existed since Franco's regime fell in the 1970s, and any usage since is frivolous. "Chickenhawk" is frivolous to begin with - if it weren't, it would be applied equally to both parties and not just to whatever party one happens to hate. Secret Squirrel 00:12, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Well, I agree with you re: fascism being used as an epithet, but just because it died w/Franco doesn't mean the word no longer means anything substantial--there are scads of neo-fascists and neo-nazis that prove you wrong (..and LePen, Duke and Haider weren't far off the mark in terms of authentic fascism)...But name some "chickenhawks" that come from the other side of the spectrum. I remember arguing for Clinton--didn't serve in Vietnam, but bombed the crap out of Serbia and intentionally sent 300 000 Iraqi children to their graves, but I recall the mobocracy saying "no." TheoryOfPractice 00:21, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Who to apply the term to is completely subjective and says more about the political prejudices of the person using it than anything substantive about the person being called one. Barack Obama just increased the U.S. troop level in Afghanistan and he wasn't in the military either - so I guess anyone could come along and say that makes him a chickenhawk too, and it would be hard to make any substantive argument against (that doesn't smack of "he can't be a hawk because he's a pwogwessive Democrat, only Republicans are hawks, oh and Nader sux too PWND!!!11!"). Including Clinton as you noted was shouted down by the mobocracy, who also argued for the inclusion of Reagan (who was in the military) which is a pretty good sign the only reason that material is here at all is as a purely partisan political epithet, making it well off mission as well as juvenile. Secret Squirrel 07:41, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Um, this is suppose to be about Alaska. Can you take this discussion to the saloon bar or a debate page where it is more appropriate and likely to gain more attention.? 199.33.173.1 07:48, 7 April 2009 (EDT) — Unsigned, by: Π / talk / contribs
Pi has a great point, but I'm gonna answer this here for ease of reading... Once again, SS... Something that has been explained SEVERAL TIMES!!!!!!! Being a commander and chief and ordering a strike or a war is not, repeat IS NOT why we call someone a hawk. The term hawk desribes people who actively cheer war. Obama is certainly not a hawk, he campaigned agaisnt war. His troop increase is meant to finish a war he inherited. Now, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and the others who are calling on Obama to attack North Korea and destroy their launch facilities.... They are hawks... Do you understand that? The people cheering the war and demaning they go are hawks. Also, a person is not a chickenhawk simply because they didn't serve. Chickenhawks are the ones who ACTIVELY avoided service for some BS reason.... Can you comprehend this? or are we just gonna wait a few months and go through this all again? SirChuckBCall the FBI 11:59, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Why the shouting again? You (and EVDebs) got all hot under the collar about this last time too and started a flame and revert war. Calm down. First: "Being a commander and chief and ordering a strike or a war is not, repeat IS NOT why we call someone a hawk. The term hawk desribes people who actively cheer war." - agreed, and if you had any reading comprehension skills at all you would have noticed that I am dubious about anyone who would claim Obama is a hawk, just sayin' if the term is going to be thrown at any Republican who clearly does not meet that definition of a hawk either (for example, Dan Quayle, or Ronald Reagan) anyone could just as easily apply the label to Obama. The term is a juvenile, partisan, subjective political epithet, and nothing more. Secret Squirrel 12:51, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

"The term is a juvenile, partisan, subjective political epithet." You say that like there's something wrong with it. I mean, fuck, whatever happened to all the fun in the world? This is a goofy wiki, not the Meet the Press or the Times of London. If you want serious use of political terms and not juvenile name calling, I thing you've come to the wrong place. TheoryOfPractice 12:56, 7 April 2009 (EDT)