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:<small>sorry about my ranting email, I was drunk and enraged due to RL pressures and kinda snapped....then I went to sleep and now I am at work so don't know if you responded but sorry anyways</small>  [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 19:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 
:<small>sorry about my ranting email, I was drunk and enraged due to RL pressures and kinda snapped....then I went to sleep and now I am at work so don't know if you responded but sorry anyways</small>  [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 19:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 
::Don't worry about it.  Clearly I'm in agreement. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 19:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 
::Don't worry about it.  Clearly I'm in agreement. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 19:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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I'm one of the various RW sysop / 'crats he forwarded that email to, though I really don't know why. Perhaps he's hoping I'll stand up for him as I wasn't here last time he was. {{User:SuperJosh/Sig|}} 19:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:I'm adding him to my spam filter.  I decided a long while ago I would have no direct conversations with him. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 19:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::I haven't seen mail, but I did check out your blog today (via the rw blogspot thing). Some very nice drawings on there. You do a good job of human bodies in different perspectives. That's something I'm working on at the moment, since I'm struggling a bit to get realistic poses. --{{User:Concernedresident/sig|}} 19:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::Reference is the key.  A lot of people think working from photos or [http://www.posemaniacs.com other sources] is cheating somehow, but it's not.  It's what pros do, since nobody knows what ''everything'' looks like.  That said, bodies are really tough to draw since people are wired to spot imperfections quickly.  --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 19:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::Good idea. I'll build-up a collection of photos to work from. Trying to picture the poses in my head is just leading to odd quirks, particularly with scale of the various parts of the body and how they should appear from different angles and poses. --{{User:Concernedresident/sig|}} 20:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::By the way, good luck with the course. --{{User:Concernedresident/sig|}} 20:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::If you find some good stuff of people in natural positions (sitting in comfy ways, standing and chatting, lineups, that sort of stuff), lemme know.  I'm always on the lookout for good non-posed photos. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 20:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::::I was not among the TKed. What was in the email? {{User:Phantom Hoover/sig}} 20:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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The one I got was: "I invited you to Google Talk."  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 20:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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Email is [[User:Kels/TK email|here]] for all interested.  I've added him to my spam filter as mentioned earlier, so any future emails will get ignored.  It's pretty typical stuff, coming from him. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 20:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:Kels, honestly I fail to see the offense in that e-mail.  Is it that he's asking dumb questions?  I have no idea what personal things he might have said/done to you but honestly this witch hunt is (yet again) grinding RW to a halt.  If he actually did do something, please just say it.  I have read the archives and RWW and while I saw vague claims of what he did ("brought RW to its knees), no one has bothered to come out and say what he maliciously did.  Personally I think the man is a fucker because of what I have seen him do at CP.  However, I have yet to read or see anything that justifies what many around here seem to want (permabans and extradition).  If he did actually do something, please tell us that are less-informed.  If he did actually do something personal or to fuck the wiki up, I'm all with you to get him the hell out of here.  However, if he didn't do anything and you just hate him for whatever personal contact you have had with him, I think it's extremely hypocritical to treat him any different than we would anyone else here.  Again: I hate the fucker BUT until he actually does something personal or malicious to cripple the wiki, treating him different is a dumb idea.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 20:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::Does him calling me a "dried up old cunt" in an email count as something done to cause offense?  Hardly the only example, he's actually not shy about this stuff when it's out of the public eye, but that alone is enough for me to not support his involvement at all.  This email is just the usual "oh poor me, I'm being persecuted" BS he does when people oppose him.  Something akin to him complaining his human rights were being abridged when someone blocked him for an hour a while back. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 20:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::As I said, I will always desysop TK. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 21:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::He's also called Toast an "old crone" at least once in public. {{User:SuperJosh/Sig|}} 21:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::So we've got a misogynistic streak, then?  That's enough for me to put him on a level with Fall Down, then. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 22:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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Oh noes!!  He called you a bad name?!?  If you haven't noticed I call people bad names all the time.  "Fucker" is basically my comma.  I don't recall seeing you using foul language, but I do recall seeing Ace rant and call at least one person using profanity.  Why do you not take offense when I called TK a fucker in the post you responded to?  I'm pissed because you are forcing me to agree with one of the biggest assholes on the internet.  You and Ace have a problem with with TK, therefore it is suddenly OUR problem?  Am I getting you correctly?  He calls some people a bad name OVER THE INTERNET and that suddenly becomes grounds not to talk to the asswipe?  I was actually hoping he did something legitimately harmful so there would be an excuse to ban him.  I, for one, completely fail to see the reason to treat him any differently from any other asshole that happens upon this blog.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 23:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:You fail to see but almost everyone who has been here the last couple of years disagrees with you. So suck on that fuck-o. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 23:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::Ban ACe!!!  He called me a bad name and hurt my feelings!!!  ='(  Notice I don't give a rats ass about what any majority thinks.  If the majority are being stupid fuckheads about something, I'm certainly going to say so.  You are being stupid fuckheads over this idiotic and unnecessary TK bullshit created drama.  This is the last thing I will say on this.  I've wasted enough time on intolerant people like yourself.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 23:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::This user is an "'''asshole'''", "'''a two faced prick'''"[http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Linus_M.&diff=prev&oldid=8938], "'''truly one sick and vile person'''" who should be on a "'''leash'''"[http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:TK&diff=prev&oldid=10026], and a "'''fucking liar'''"[http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Sysops&curid=154&diff=15218&oldid=15210&rcid=15489] {{User:Human/sig|}} 23:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Hehe.  I'm glad I'm not alone, Huw.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 23:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Is this a dick-waving contest, then?  I have determined that his actions are enough for me to not support in any way, shape or form him being sysopped, and to support him sharing the same vandal bin as Fall Down and MC.  Belittling me and playing "who's been called nastier" is childish and insulting in its own right, in fact more so that it's coming from people I ''should'' be on friendly terms with and have some respect for.  Apparently that's a one-way street on RW. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 01:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::I wasn't making an argument for or against anything, I just pasted in those nicely referenced statements by TK because I remembered stashing them somewhere.  Of course, considering the source, I wear them as a badge of honor... {{User:Human/sig|}} 01:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::TK is <s>banned</s> not a sysop for good reason. No good comes from him and never has. Intolerance doesn't come into it. If you care so much, you be his fucking friend. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 23:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::TK is a concern troll and shit stirrer of the highest order. According to Kevin Conley (can't be bothered with finding links but see the TK CP-sysop page here, not his user page, and also PJR's expose of CP) he created havoc amongst the admins at the Hot Or Not site. Many early RationalWikians had private interaction with him as he said he was trying to bring CP down (because of the children) but we found that he often lied and played people against each other. He blackmailed an erstwhile editor into removing information from our article on him. I think most of us have examples of where he lied or made promises and broke his word when it suited him. When he was active here he tried to play newer editors who didn't know him against the old hands. He always plays the "poor persecuted me" card to try and gain sympathy. Despite it beng against RW's principles he was blocked because of the trouble he was causing. However, in spite of that I support Human's sysopping of him. I did the same myself and was shouted down but circumstances have changed and I don't believe that he would cause the same amount of trouble as before, forsooth we have enough bureaucrats to handle him if he gets uppity. Making him a sysop (which he requested; nay, demanded) also means he cannot use the 'admin at a vandal site argument' when whinging at WP or on blog comments. {{User:Genghis Khant/sig}} 01:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::What I don't like is human unilateral sysopping of TK. As stated previously - if there were a consensus then theres consensus and the mob will have spoken. Its not like just sysoping any old person. He is just so untrustworthy and, as you said, gains the trust of other users that don't know history meaning with TK around everyone has to be on there guard. I just think its a bad idea considering his history. why do you think he'll change and what is to be gained? It is irrelavent that he'll no longer be able to proclaim the "vandal site" card. Since when has TK shown any modicum of honesty? [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 02:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Most of the time when TK was making trouble here he was not a sysop at CP. It was after he was kicked out for insulting Andy. After his 'prodigal son' return to CP he latched onto the vandal site meme. I don't believe he could cause the same havoc. I know that not all the other CP sysops have forgiven him for his treachery so being an active member here would be much harder to wave away. Of course I'm sure TK could lie his way out of it but what is given can easily be taken away should the need arise.  {{User:Genghis Khant/sig}} 02:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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It seems as if GK's argument--and that of others--is that we should make TK a sysop because it may not/probably won't be "bad." Can anyone tell us what good could come out of TK being a sysop? Where is the value added for the community in doing this? [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] ([[User talk:TheoryOfPractice|talk]]) 02:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:The hypocrisy would end.  Treating Tk different on the mere fact he is TK is absurd.  I just read where RA went nuclear on Human (and vice-versa).  By the same standards "we" are judging TK, they should be stripped of sysopship, right?  If there are going to be rules, tell us what they are and enforce them.  If people are going to go apeshit random, why am I here?  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 02:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::I fail to see how treating a bully like a bully is hypocritical. If you were here in the long-ago days of 2007/2008, you might understand why many of the oldtimers are reticent about this. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] ([[User talk:TheoryOfPractice|talk]]) 02:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::Standards for sysops have now been set so low that I can't see what further damage TK could do that he can't as a basic editor - the power would be virtually meaningless. Also TK's transgressions are in the past, at what point are people - even habitual criminals - considered to have paid their debts? If he transgresses again then he gets punished again but maintaining a grudge in perpetuity does not seem like a very liberal attitude - it's what I would expect from the likes of a reactionary and I know that you are certainly not one of those. {{User:Genghis Khant/sig}} 03:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::This all seems like crazy talk. TK cannot be trusted, everyone knows this. What makes you think he can be trusted now? He's is having a ball with this already. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 03:04, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::::''"If he transgresses again then he gets punished again..."'' Yeah, we do a bang-up job of that, don't we?  How many second chances is this for him now, eight? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 03:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::I was here (not editing though).  The hypocrisy, the way I see it, is that TK's bullying and Human's and RS's bullying, while almost identical in nature, are being handled completely differently.  I have nothing against Human or RA, but their actions are the same as the offense TK is being treated differently for, no?  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 02:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::No, it isn't the same, who has Human or RA blackmailed?. There is ''no'' good that can come from TK being a sysop and I don't even know why its being discussed to be honest. And whats up with this "hypocrisy" bullshit? Who is this new MC? [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 02:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::::No one talked about blackmail!!!  Holy hell, all anyone mentioned before was he called them names!  If he did actually do something like that, then yes, by all means vandal bin the fucker because that would be using the powers of sysopship maliciously.  I have asked this many times...what the fuck did TK do?  The answers I got ranged but an unsupported "broke the wiki" to name-calling.  IT SEEMED TO ME EVERYONE HAD THEIR PANTIES IN A BUNCH BECAUSE TK CALLED THEM A BAD NAME.  That's sure as fuck what it looked like to me.  Please, tell me where I am wrong.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 03:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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Tell you what--when Huw or RA start CALLING PEOPLE'S BOSSES, or even threaten to, I'll take that into account. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] ([[User talk:TheoryOfPractice|talk]]) 02:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:No one else has stated this.  As before: the only substantiated claim was that he called people names.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 03:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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What I really don't understand is the insistence on pushing people who like this place away by encouraging the participation of people who really don't, and want to disrupt it and make it ''less'' fun any way possible, all in the name of some lofty ideal or another.  "Don't keep your mind so open that your brain falls out" was made for places like this, seriously. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 03:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:I cannot think of anything more fun than having a fundie actually here to mock and make fun of live.  Bitching about what the asshole on CP said gets old after 2 minutes.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 03:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::TK is not a fundie. TK is only interested in one thing: TK. For one example of his threatening a user, see footnote 4 [[TK|here]]. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] ([[User talk:TheoryOfPractice|talk]]) 03:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hey, Kels, or anyone here with some institutional memory--am I going senile, or was there not an incident involving TK and our fearless leader's uni? [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] ([[User talk:TheoryOfPractice|talk]]) 03:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:He posted a link to trents uni page with photo's and contact details. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 03:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::Karajou went after someone in the States' uni around the same time, didn't he? --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 03:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::EC.Thanks Ace. BTW, Mrs. Practice gave me some awesome 12-year old Canadian rye, because I'm so great. Wish I could "cheers" you in real life. [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] ([[User talk:TheoryOfPractice|talk]]) 03:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::I am sinking a beer with you in mind, friend. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 03:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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Now we're getting somewhere.  Was it really so hard, Ace and Kels?  I can certainly see why what ToP just posted is a serious offense that warrants treating TK differently.  All my ranting would have been avoided had either of you posted anything along those lines.  I asked numerous times, but never once got a legit answer (until now).  Good grief.  And Ace, you going batshit on me for no reason whatsoever was not highly appreciated.  All I was doing was asking questions...a simple answer like ToP's would have done the trick.  I think im fair when it comes to this kind of stuff...{{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 03:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:I was responding to your sarcastic and dickish post, friend. Where you try to lump me with TK for using profanity. Read the page from top to bottom. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 03:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::Agree with Ace, maybe you would have gotten further if you hadn't spent so much time ''trying to belittle me on my own talk page.'' --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 03:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::Ace, I didn't lump you in anywhere except for saying you, for reasons yet untold, had a problem with TK.  Elsewhere, I tried to get out of you what your problem might have been, but apparently that bit goes over on you.
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Kels, it seemed to me (and still does) that your problem with TK is that he called you a bad name.  Why did.do I think that?  Because that is exactly what you said your problem with him was.  Is it possible to see where I am coming from here...given everyone calling everyone else something horrific at one time or another?  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 03:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:Yes, I said that's MY PROBLEM WITH HIM, and again you are belittling me by claiming that having shit like that thrown at me (and more) by someone who was clearly not joking (unlike the great majority of "something horrific" on this site that you refer to) is ''in itself'' insufficient.  Bullshit.  He's done lots more, as has been shown in this discussion, but to me ''the insult is plenty'', and having him sysoped without so much as a "is this cool with you guys" is a much more serious insult since I generally hold folks here in much higher regard.  And seriously, I don't need to justify my personal point of view to you beyond that.  Don't give me that "I don't mind, so nobody should mind" bullshit, it doesn't wash.  --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 03:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::You don't think my insult of TK was legit?  Humans of RA's?  I disagree that insulting someone is a offense punishable by promotion.  For one, if it were, I doubt there would be any 'crats at all.  Political arguments are going to end in insults.  How else can they end?  Someone is going to storm off with a parting shot.  My argument to you isn't (and never has been) that I don't mind, so no one should.  My argument is (and always has been) no one cares when anyone else does it  (which is 100% true).  THis is all for nought now, anyways.  The fact that TK crossed the line and threatened someone means that he shouldn't be allowed here at all (in my opinion).  There is a HUGE difference between a insult and a threat.  {{User:Cgb07305/sig|}} 03:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::And that's fine FOR YOU.  You don't get to tell ''me'' what to think or what to base my personal decisions on.  Yes, I based it on the fact that he's deliberately disruptive, has threatened people and all the rest, but ''for me'' the misogynistic insult really stood out.  Get it?  I'll repeat since you don't get it, ''you don't get to tell me what to think'', so quit acting like you do.  --[[User:Kels|Kels]] ([[User talk:Kels|talk]]) 03:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::Good god people.  Why can't you open your minds?  It's as clear as 2+2=4 that Kels is wrong because she's a woman.  She should be in the kitchen baking cookies for my homeschool class, while Cgb07305 (what a ridiculous username), Ace, and TOP battle it out, chivalrous-style, in the talkpage.  To conclude: I've skimmed some of the rants on this talkpage, and if you continue making posts like this, you will be politely escorted out of this project.  Godspeed!  --{{User:Theautocrat/Sig}} 04:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::: @Kels, RE - The above. I think I love you.[[User:Rad McCool|Rad McCool]] ([[User talk:Rad McCool|talk]]) 05:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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=== My input ===
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I've been avoiding jumping in this fray since it started, as I have better things to do.  However, I think now's as good a time as any to give my input.  I, personally, see no reason to sysop TK, unless he contributes positively to the site.  DO I think he should be binned/banned? Absolutely not! But, as we found out when we sysopped MC, people who are sysops can do damage, and this site should '''not''' put itself and its serious contributors in harm's way by sysopping a troll. Mild trolling does not mean binnning and, since he's returned, all TK has been guilty of is trying to get a rise out of this community (which seems to have worked). But, I think giving him sysopship without substantial redemption for (from what I understand are) past offenses against this site's contributors on ''this'' wiki (fuck what he's done over at CP) is ridiculous. And that's my thoughts, and that is all I will have to say on this topic. {{User:Gooniepunk2010/sig|}} 03:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:Your a calm voice over an angry battlefield, Goonie. love ya. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 03:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::As a non-'crat, I'd prefer not to be involved.  All discussions TK lead to chaos.  All interaction TK leads to chaos.  TK is all about TK; he has no loyalty to anyone but himself, and he only invokes yelling. He will whip us into a frenzy like he's done before. To be honest, if TK is a sysop and participating, I will not be around.  It's not worth it.  [[User:Sterile|Sterile]]{{User:Sterile/sigtalk}} 03:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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:::Calmer Ace: I just don't know people expect him to have "Changed" or "Things are different". Seems naive in the extreme. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 03:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
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::::What Sterile said. {{User:Toast/Zog}} 07:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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IMPORTANT NOTE: I have just started Animation classes at Algonquin College, and I expect the course to be very intense. Therefore, I won't be around very much at all for the next 8 months, probably just occasionally dropping a comment here and there but that's about it. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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HONOURS, baby!

Congratulations! Nice work. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup. I'll probably get a letter from the college next month some time to let me know, but the first one mentioned that the criteria was 3.6 so I'm good to go. The acceptance into animation this fall is way more significant, though. Of course, getting in is the easy part. --Kels 12:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Xplain congrats pls. ToastToastand marmite 14:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Graduating wif honours, as Psy mentioned, as well as being accepted into the Animation program, as per their portfolio requirements. --Kels 14:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
(Top o' user page - Kels graduating wif honours). And allow me to add my congrats - glasses (or a glass in any event) shall be raised repeatedly in your honour on this side of the pond. --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
If I have managed to inspire the consumption of alcohol (or even better, a nice strong cheese), then my work here is done. --Kels 14:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey!! Congratulations indeed. Don't unnerstand the GPA thing (is 4 tops?) but brilliang! (Hiatus AFK) ToastToastand marmite 14:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a 0-4 scale based on letter grades and averaged over the number of courses. I only took five this term since I had an exemption on English (I'd already done a business English course recently). --Kels 14:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Must feel good, achieving your goal! Can't booze, but I'll hoist some stilton for tea in your Honour. ToastToastand marmite 15:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
From one college student to another... HIGH FIVE! Party.gif Javasca₧ <insert witty comment here> 15:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to all. I'm doing a lot of study over the summer to bring up my weak points (figure drawing and dynamic characters, mostly), and it's starting to come together. I learned a lot of basic skills over the past 8 months, so the next four will mostly be about developing that. Plus a comic project I'm working on with a friend which I might allude to later. --Kels 16:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

John Severin/Mort Drucker

Neither hold a candle to the mighty Don Martin. Totnesmartin 20:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Granted, but neither one of them were competing with Martin. They were the movie parody guys. Drucker, for his part, had an incredible spatial sense. --Kels 22:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Supper

Mmmm, thank you for your help. The mexicanz iz yummy in my tummy, and waz very tasty too. Good choice, thank you. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Told ya. You can't go wrong with Mezzikan. Me, I'm gonna make some guacamole today, if possible. Dunno if the avacados I got are ripe enough, though. --Kels 10:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Never mind dinner, PJR and Bradley are trash talking ya over at aSK. Dinner can wait, it's ass whipping time and I'm feeling angry unreasonable. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 10:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Being trash talked by those self-deluders? Not worth getting in a froth over, but fun to watch. Sort of like WWE but with non-fighters. Edited to add Ah, I see what you mean. The old "I wasn't convinced by you before, therefore I can ignore you in the future" line of argument. Ironic coming from someone who doesn't understand how burden of proof works in the first place, and has been called to task on it many times. --Kels 10:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, well, the punishment will rain upon them. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 11:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Let it rain, baby! --Kels 12:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
As I said, I am unreasonable at the moment due to severe pain and these pills the doctor gives me do little to dull the pain yet they are surprising adept at clouding my judgement. Hence, time for some chastising. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 12:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
You are a master chastiser, sir. Chastise away! --Kels 12:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I got your back. Dont you worry. Ace McWickedDisco Jesus 12:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hah! A fine riposte, sir! A very palpable hit! --Kels 12:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this Pointless Extra Bracket Day, or what?

Just ignorance. --Scamp 17:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I said that because you weren't the only one doing it. No trouble. --Kels 18:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

What I am "into"

I thought I should take this to your page because Nutty is getting bitchy and drunk again and throwing around words like "fuckers". I like 80's horror the most. George A. Romero for a start and anything with Bruce Campbell (Evil Dead anyone?). I have recurring nightmares/dreams about zombies about once or twice a month, have for my entire life. Always about some sort of post-apocalypse world where eveyone is diseased or zombified and the dreams are very vivid so as a consequence I like zombie flicks. Ace McWickedi9 03:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

*shudders* I can't handle zombie movies. Seriously, I get nervous attacks, nightmares and sleeplessness just reading synopses, let alone seeing them. Although strangely, horror games don't bug me a bit. Survival horror games are loads of fun, actually, and I love the zombie as pop culture icon. But just don't show me the movies or read me fiction on them. Other thing I can't handle are those stories with hordes of little, carnivorous (or parasitic) critters. Those bug me too. --Kels 03:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
you ever play Doom 3? Ace McWickedi9 03:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Started to, but I never did get very far into it. Got distracted by Hellgate: London, if I remember right, then had to delete it for some reason I forget. --Kels 03:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I loved it, scard the beejesus outta me but awesome fun. Anyways, I am coming round to your place soon with a bunch of zombie flicks. Ace McWickedi9 04:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Is the RW meetup going to be in Toronto, London, or Goa? Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 04:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
We can have it at mine. Come over now. Ace McWickedi9 04:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
No time to look for flights now about to go out. Auckland or Wellington? Who else is coming? Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 04:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Hah, I'm about a 5 hour drive from Toronto, and can't afford the bus or train at the moment, so that's definitely out. Hell, with no job it's a trick just getting downtown. Therefore, I stay at home and draw skeletons, ain't I just fascinating? --Kels 04:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
PS I vote for Goa - they have opiates in mouth droppers. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 04:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
All come to Wellington. We'll go hang out in the parliament buildings and make us some laws. Ace McWickedi9 04:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't know if you've seen this one before:

Redchuck.gif ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 07:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope, and since I'm not about to hit play, I still haven't. --Kels 14:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Ralph Bashki

I read that Ralph Bashki was desperate to film an animated version of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas but HST's girlfriend Lilia Nabulski had the rights and refused to allow it. Some usless trivia for you. Ace McWickedNecron99 23:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Sort of a shame, it would have been much more his sort of project than Lord of the Rings was. He always did best at modern urban stuff, and HST's sensibility is a good fit. --Kels (talk) 23:55, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Although you gotta also admit that Gilliam's "semi-animated" version came out pretty well... ħumanUser talk:Human 23:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Thompson dislike cartoon's (movies that is) and before Gilliam got involved he had previously fired another director for wanting to animate the "crest of wave" speech in the middle of the movie. Ace McWickedNecron99 00:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah well that punk actor drunk with Thompson which must have been painful. Bats! This is bat country! ħumanUser talk:Human 06:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ever see Where the Buffalo Roam? Bill Murray as Thompson--haven't seen it in 20 years, but remember being unimpressed. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

To RW troll Kelsigh Nifor

I offer my congratulations on making it in the TK stalker list! --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 03:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, did the retarded child manage to, you know, SIMPLY FOLLOW THE LINK TO MY BLOG somehow end up at a comic site I haven't gone to in nearly TWO YEARS? And have absolutely no problem owning up to? Man, they don't make stalkers like they used to. Weird, since I've been telling people not to WiGO him and leave him be over there, aside from never, ever, ever having a sock at CP. --Kels (talk) 05:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Gawd, I never trolled you (IE, like I liked you, like twelve years ago) that far. Sick fuck. Ignore (is my advice). ħumanUser talk:Human 06:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
TK's a big fuckin idiot and the fact that you aren't reacting makes his pathetic attempts at threatening users so much funnier. SJ Debaser 09:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
this, I think, is appropriate WazzaHello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me... 14:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Hah! I like it. --Kels 14:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Didn't want to WIGO my own thread. I am eating Toast& honeychat 17:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I like the argument for God's existence at that site Mr. Fox linked to. The proof for God's existence is that without the use of God as a premise one cannot prove anything. But to prove God's existence to the atheist one must do it without the premise of God. Therefore the entire argument is a pile of bunk. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 18:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, we'd already made fun of that site in the Saloon Bar some months ago, if I remember right. Basically the whole thing is a cheap "gotcha" but doesn't prove a damn thing. I'm not sure how Fox thought that was backing up Philip (or God) at all, it just makes all three look foolish. --Kels (talk) 18:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Thought you might get a chuckle...

...or hate the fanboys for what I thought was a nice bit of comeuppance. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 21:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that is epic. To his credit though, Liefeld finally learned to draw feet recently, so maybe he actually read the book. --Kels (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Life drawing

Went back to life drawing again. Did a very good knee. Surprised to see that the model was an old friend. And by old, I mean 67. Totnesmartin 21:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, the public life drawing group I go to on the side has quite a few retirees that attend. Plus a lot of industry professionals and fellow students, it's a good group. --Kels 21:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

A suggestion

for Gentleman Kels. I've recently fallen in love with this series and thought I'd point you in its direction. Still ongoing - only 5 of 10 chapters available so far. (Here's a link to the guys doing the translating. --Psy - C20H25N3OYou know you want to 12:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, think I'll check it out when I have time. On a similar note, I'd recommend Bakuman, which has a lot about the business of producing and publishing manga. --Kels 14:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Incivility

re: this comment. Please apologise and retract this remark or face a 1 month block and 3 month probabtion. Sarfati is good man and sweetly pretty and I will not have anyone speaking that way about the man I love. Ace McWickedI'm a pretty big deal around here... 01:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

What will Ray Comfort say about you two-timing him? --Kels 01:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Comfort will be OK. He has a perfectly designed banana from god. Ace McWickedI'm a pretty big deal around here... 01:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
User Kels, you have been so pwned by Tricksy. When will you understand that the evolutionary model is incredibly wrong? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I admit, I have trouble seeing how if evolution is so clearly wrong (based on the evidence), then how it holds onto a stranglehold on the scientific community so that Creation Science can't get published in mainstream journals, taught in schools, endorsed by governments and so on (despite being OBVIOUSLY true) if there's no conspiracy at work. --Kels 13:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Trolling

What you are doing right now in paroling vandals is trolling. Way to keep a hold of the moral high ground. MarcusCicero 16:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

SuspectedReplicant convinced me! I am born again! The fault for trolling is on the regular users! Ban all non-trolls, open the prisons! --Kels 16:12, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
OK. Good luck with that. This is what I would define as scurrilous deduction. MarcusCicero 16:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Say, how's that mental illness of yours going? --Kels 16:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I apologise for the mental illness prank. It was in incredibly poor taste and I deeply regret it.MarcusCicero 16:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
(EC) Chill out Kels. A load of pointy admin activity is not a good reaction to somebody disagreeing with you in a policy debate. WèàšèìòìďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 16:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Ah, but he's right, isn't he? It's our fault, not MC's, that he's trolling. MC is innocent, all else are guilty! --Kels 16:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Please take a minute to walk around the room or something. You will feel better, although you may realise you're not being entirely sensible. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 16:16, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Its about dealing with the very concept of how you deal with people you disagree with Kels. RW, is by its own admission, a silly site. Don't get so high and mighty with the authority malarky. MarcusCicero 16:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Birthday

FFS Kels, remind once again how old you are.  Lily Inspirate me. 16:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Old enough to treat this idiocy on the level it's earned. --Kels 16:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
So you have a hissy fit and empty the vandal bin. Yeah, very adult.  Lily Inspirate me. 16:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
If we do nothing about an obvious troll, why should we punish anyone else? It would seem that unilateral paroling is an acceptable act, so I don't see the problem. --Kels 17:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
You gonna clean up your mess? Or have the stones to empty the whole bin? 'Cause this halfway measure that you took is really lame. RaoulDuke 17:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Why clean anything up? If they vandalize again, we can bin anyone who objects. If not, no problem. --Kels 17:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Heartburn

Kels, I saw your post on Ace's page about reflux & heartburn. Can you tell me what it was like for you? In the last couple of months I have had two bad episodes with what I took to be heartburn, a real burning pain around the sternum (exacerbated by alcohol I must admit) which lasted several days. I also had pain between the shoulder blades; Google that and you get all sorts of horrible scenarios. I had always thought of heartburn as just a bad case of indigestion but this was really painful and affected my sleep, I had to sleep almost sitting up (that's when I made some edits at ridiculous hours of the night). The doc diagnosed it as severe acid attack and prescribed an acid reducer but I would be grateful to learn of someone else's experiences. Thanks. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 20:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I had two problems, really. One was a gall bladder issue that mimicked a heart attack (chest pain, radiating out from more or less the lower middle, some vomiting on the worst one, utterly debilitating. I had that out, but I was also diagnosed with a weak cartoid sphincter, which can allow for some acid to come up under some circumstances. For me it's usually overeating, eating fresh fruit can trigger it, and so can wasabi and curry. And, unfortunately, beer. I was taking ranitidine, which is a generic version of Zantac, but it's gotten less severe over time. I still get episodes and have to be careful with certain foods, but that's about the worst of it. Drinking a lot of water helps a lot, and for some reason having cheese after I've eaten fruit works. --Kels 21:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Cheese after fruit sounds like the most utterly perfect gastronomic course of medical action I could imagine. RaoulDuke 21:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Cheese under almost any circumstances is a good idea, which is why I have some nice Sage Derby in the fridge right now. --Kels 21:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Strange, I read that one should avoid fat and go for protein, so I've been laying off the cheese (although I made Welsh rarebit for breakfast this morning). Also reducing cofee and wine (which I should probably do for other reasons) and not eating so late. My boss has a gall stone and he said that that can also cause pain between the shoulder blades. So how long did your episodes last and how painful were they? As for the wasabi well that's enough to do anyone in. And FUCK IT, I hate getting old. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 21:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Getting old's better than the alternative! I am eating Toast& honeychat 21:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
(EC*2) For the gall bladder, the episodes got longer and more intense each time it happened. I went through about 6 before getting surgery, the last one landed me in an emergency room, literally doubled over in pain, for about 8 hours, with time out for vomiting a couple of times. It was intense, to say the least. Even the early ones were quite painful, and at that time I didn't even know what they were, and they started about a couple of hours. If part of the pain is just along the underside of your ribcage on the right side, there's a good chance it may be related. The pain can be in a number of places, really, depending on what nerves are affected. Some folks it's in the shoulders, some it's deep in the chest, some like me feel it very similar to a heart attack, in some cases even including the left arm numbness. Still, could be worse. At least having the laproscopy is a simple procedure that's quick to bounce back from, and it's over with. --Kels 21:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I come from a family with history of bad acid reflux. My mother had to have surgery on her cardiac (?) sphincter but still gets terrible reflux. I see that I, too, am following that path, and have been laying off the coffee (but not the beer so much), and I avoid anything with red sauce (i.e. anything Italian). Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 21:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes Toast, the alternative is worse. But so long as one's got one's health... Two weeks tomorrow I see the cardiac consultant again, probably another monitoring session to see if surgery for the arhythmia is worthwhile. If not, bye-bye job most likely. As of now I promise no more alcohol until afterwards. (P.S. My father has had an ulcer and reflux so maybe it is genetic.)Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 21:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh no! And you've got my favourite job out of anyone on RW. (Oil company geologist, not laying waste to Central Asia). Totnesmartin 21:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Link

This is all ;-) I am eating Toast& honeychat 08:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Very nice. I'll have to look at more of that later on. --Kels 09:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Further another, I suppose you've already seen this one, but look all round: he's an atheist anti-wooist & I like his "steamvolt" strip as far as it goes. I am eating Toast& honeychat 05:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, interesting style, I like. Haven't seen it before, but there's so much good stuff out there it's impossible to see it all. No reason not to try, though. --Kels 01:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Meltdown

Don't listen to Fox (like I need to tell you that). I like your art. Corry 01:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, not to worry. I'd be more concerned if it was someone I had any respect for, but I kinda lost that for him a couple of tantrums back. Now when he shows up I just wonder how long it'll take before his next freakout. --Kels 02:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Science

"I don't speak Intellectual Cripple, what does this whole "5599.7 Mercury" nonsense mean?"

It's some fucked up orbital precession thing. PS. Andrew's wrong, as usual. Kisses, hugs, ħumanUser talk:Human 04:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

General random wiki shit

I don't want to argue with you, I respect you. But please drop the fascist "block trolls" position, if you can? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Doing the same thing almost every other online community does is fascist, suddenly? I'm pretty insulted that you'd use the term on me. --Kels (talk) 04:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
It's been an RW way we do things since even before 2.0. You are not a "fascist suddenly", I am just confused by your hard core "ban the troll" stance. This "online community" operates in a very open way, perhaps not the way many others do? ħumanUser talk:Human 06:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah Kels, disagreeing with Human is not how our mobocracy works. - π 07:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Ignore Pi, he's just my sockpuppet. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
This whole "we don't block trolls" crap is destroying RW. What does it achieve? Totnesmartin (talk) 09:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Well you know what? Before you barged in with this "fascist" shit (that's totally uncalled for, seriously), I was talking about BINNING MC. The entire current version of "why should we do anything about trolls, just let them drive editors away and maybe give them a cookie", I've been recommending binning him and leaving him there. But here we have it, people talking already about letting him out. I'm absolutely serious, every other community I've been a part of has basically just banned vandals and trolls and walked away from them. Why that's such a hard or distasteful idea here, I'm not sure, but there seems to be an awful lot of tolerance for people who are not only unproductive, but want to find ways to make other people less productive, and not much tolerance for people who are fucking sick of it. Am I a fascist because of that? Are the people who run Wikipedia fascists when they block people? IS PZ FUCKING MYERS A FASCIST BECAUSE OF HIS DUNGEON? Why don't you go over there and talk shit about him because he's so mean to his valuable trolls, see how far it gets you? Give me a fucking break. --Kels (talk) 13:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I apologize for the incredibly bad choice of words. I'm sorry I used the word "fascist" and "Kels" in the same sentence (sort of). However, here at RW, as you have known since day one, we don't block people. I guess I interpreted some of your comments to mean we should. Please note that I haven't touched MC's recent binning with a ten foot pole (not that I have one). Anyway, after whinging my point, I again apologize for the nasty words I used. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Why do you always compare RW to WP? RW is clearly nothing like the serious sites you mention.
Fun sites like Scans_Daily and art sites like ConceptArt also ban the fuck out of trolls. Because, you know, they give a shit about their non-troll members having a good time. And you know what? In this case I compare RW to WP because they're doing it right. --Kels (talk) 13:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Edited to Add: You know, PZ Myers has very much the same sort of "mission" we do, talking about science, religion, pseudoscience, etc., and his comment section is rough and tumble, and a load of fun. Gee, I wonder how he keeps it that way without it getting constantly sidetracked? That's a puzzler, yup! --Kels (talk) 14:02, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The problem with your logic is, Kels, that RW is effectively constantly trolling another site (And WIGO is increasingly personal and nasty) I really don't understand why you can't tolerate a dose of your own medicine? This is why RW attracts so many trolls; One, you have grandiose visions and interpretations of your own importance, Two, you're rather mean in a very personal way to two websites you disagree with idealogically, three, You're all rather dramatic and histrionic, and four, you laud your own sense of humour but loose the run of yourselves when someone only makes a slightly personal joke. What the fuck? Can you not see that for yourselves? 86.40.104.161 (talk) 14:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I think you're forgetting that I generally think going over to CP and trolling there is a general waste of time, and wandalizing there is worse. So you're really preaching at the wrong person. I've never had a problem with RWW or RWWWW or whatever, if someone wants to insult us from another site that's no problem. --Kels (talk) 14:13, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No Irish babies, but..

Enjoy an Irish baby bottle. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 01:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I could never get into Guinness, honestly. Smithwicks I rather liked, though. --Kels (talk) 02:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Alright, one Irish baby coming up! And Smithwicks is pretty good, for when I'm not in the mood for a full meal that is Guinness. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 02:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
My intake of Guinness these days is infused into cheddar cheese due to an inability to drink beer without reflux. But being rather a fan of interesting cheeses, it's a good option. Not as good as Red Dragon from Wales, but good. --Kels (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I forgot about the reflux thing. I know we discussed that before. That is what Protonix was made for (at least that is the meds I'm on for it). I too am a fan of interesting cheeses, if only the US didn't suffer from cheese poverty. I admit our supply is limited, but I do enjoy a nice Jarlsberg now and again. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 03:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I'd probably be able to drink the stuff if I actually remembered to get some Gaviscon like my doc recommended, but I can be a bit absentminded about such things. Not that it matters, I have found the wonders of quality "bottle your own" wine. Far cheaper than commercial wines, and far, far better quality. As to cheeses, I've been on a bit of a budget due to school, so I haven't gotten much all year. Looking forward to getting some to celebrate finishing first term at the end of next week. Probably some Red Dragon, smoked Swiss and...maybe Cheshire. I like Cheshire. --Kels (talk) 03:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I LOVE teh Guinness cheese--there also was a great Irish whiskey cheese I had once. Almost as good...TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Had a British-style ale cheese once. Didn't really dig it. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 03:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Beer & cheese, while each is delightful, should not be combined before consumption. It's the contrast of the tangy bitterness and the smooth richness mixing within the mouth that's the desired sensation. Cheese, beer and a god rough bread are enough on one plate. I am eating Toast& honeychat 09:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Red Dragon is ale, cheese and coarse mustard, and it's amazing. A cheese that bites back. --Kels (talk) 15:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
"god rough bread" - you gotta love typos from atheists. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Order of Tales

Is it just me, or has Dahm's writing now become shit? It seemed like he had a good story going there for a while, now he writes like a Twilight fanfic author, especially since he's now decided to finish up the whole damn story in a chapter and a half. Thoughts? --User:Theautocrat/Sig 04:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I dunno about that. The story seems to be meandering a bit through, not nearly as focused as Rice Boy. I think part of it is in Rice Boy there was a certain feel of myth about it, so you took these random, colourful characters as a given, but in the more personal OoT, you wanna learn more about them and you never really do. TOE acting like an ass doesn't help, really. I like his art in black and white a lot, though, so it's got that going for it. I like the side stories he's started doing too, those are good. --Kels (talk) 05:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

a giggle

nice one! I got a giggle out of that...more so than I did from the 'toon itself. Aceof Spades 20:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate a man who knows the classics. --Kels (talk) 22:22, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 :-) Aceof Spades 22:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Fancy hat

I meant for that "How do you change it?" to be pointed at the mob in general. I believe that you have a respectable set of capabilities. Izzat OK? Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 17:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, it's fine. But whatever capabilities I have, they're pretty basic when they come to code and formatting type stuff. Always have been. --Kels (talk) 17:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

For Kels

All the staff at McWicked Co. wish you a merry christmas.

Aww, I always wanted a grotesque black man head. --Kels (talk) 20:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Its actually a money box. Aceof Spades 20:29, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Even better! I can use the money to buy more grotesque severed heads.! --Kels (talk) 20:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, you'll need a lot of coins. It is an expensive antique. Aceof Spades 20:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

new

Meicon.png MEMO
Happy New Year, Kels. This is from Useful Mei. It is an appropriate time for festivities, like alcohol. Today try not to eat too much, or too little.

-- =w= 06:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Knock Knock Joke

Knock, Knock MarcusCicero (talk) 21:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Collaba-toon

Ace is highly amused!!!

That's your happy grimace! --Kels (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

sorry about my ranting email, I was drunk and enraged due to RL pressures and kinda snapped....then I went to sleep and now I am at work so don't know if you responded but sorry anyways Acei9 19:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. Clearly I'm in agreement. --Kels (talk) 19:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Tea and caKe

I'm one of the various RW sysop / 'crats he forwarded that email to, though I really don't know why. Perhaps he's hoping I'll stand up for him as I wasn't here last time he was. SJ Debaser 19:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm adding him to my spam filter. I decided a long while ago I would have no direct conversations with him. --Kels (talk) 19:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I haven't seen mail, but I did check out your blog today (via the rw blogspot thing). Some very nice drawings on there. You do a good job of human bodies in different perspectives. That's something I'm working on at the moment, since I'm struggling a bit to get realistic poses. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about your mother 19:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Reference is the key. A lot of people think working from photos or other sources is cheating somehow, but it's not. It's what pros do, since nobody knows what everything looks like. That said, bodies are really tough to draw since people are wired to spot imperfections quickly. --Kels (talk) 19:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Good idea. I'll build-up a collection of photos to work from. Trying to picture the poses in my head is just leading to odd quirks, particularly with scale of the various parts of the body and how they should appear from different angles and poses. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about your mother 20:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
By the way, good luck with the course. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about your mother 20:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
If you find some good stuff of people in natural positions (sitting in comfy ways, standing and chatting, lineups, that sort of stuff), lemme know. I'm always on the lookout for good non-posed photos. --Kels (talk) 20:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I was not among the TKed. What was in the email? Time word Hoover! 20:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The one I got was: "I invited you to Google Talk." δij^{i.broke.it.} 20:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Email is here for all interested. I've added him to my spam filter as mentioned earlier, so any future emails will get ignored. It's pretty typical stuff, coming from him. --Kels (talk) 20:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Kels, honestly I fail to see the offense in that e-mail. Is it that he's asking dumb questions? I have no idea what personal things he might have said/done to you but honestly this witch hunt is (yet again) grinding RW to a halt. If he actually did do something, please just say it. I have read the archives and RWW and while I saw vague claims of what he did ("brought RW to its knees), no one has bothered to come out and say what he maliciously did. Personally I think the man is a fucker because of what I have seen him do at CP. However, I have yet to read or see anything that justifies what many around here seem to want (permabans and extradition). If he did actually do something, please tell us that are less-informed. If he did actually do something personal or to fuck the wiki up, I'm all with you to get him the hell out of here. However, if he didn't do anything and you just hate him for whatever personal contact you have had with him, I think it's extremely hypocritical to treat him any different than we would anyone else here. Again: I hate the fucker BUT until he actually does something personal or malicious to cripple the wiki, treating him different is a dumb idea. δij^{i.broke.it.} 20:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Does him calling me a "dried up old cunt" in an email count as something done to cause offense? Hardly the only example, he's actually not shy about this stuff when it's out of the public eye, but that alone is enough for me to not support his involvement at all. This email is just the usual "oh poor me, I'm being persecuted" BS he does when people oppose him. Something akin to him complaining his human rights were being abridged when someone blocked him for an hour a while back. --Kels (talk) 20:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
As I said, I will always desysop TK. Acei9 21:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
He's also called Toast an "old crone" at least once in public. SJ Debaser 21:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
So we've got a misogynistic streak, then? That's enough for me to put him on a level with Fall Down, then. --Kels (talk) 22:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh noes!! He called you a bad name?!? If you haven't noticed I call people bad names all the time. "Fucker" is basically my comma. I don't recall seeing you using foul language, but I do recall seeing Ace rant and call at least one person using profanity. Why do you not take offense when I called TK a fucker in the post you responded to? I'm pissed because you are forcing me to agree with one of the biggest assholes on the internet. You and Ace have a problem with with TK, therefore it is suddenly OUR problem? Am I getting you correctly? He calls some people a bad name OVER THE INTERNET and that suddenly becomes grounds not to talk to the asswipe? I was actually hoping he did something legitimately harmful so there would be an excuse to ban him. I, for one, completely fail to see the reason to treat him any differently from any other asshole that happens upon this blog. δij^{i.broke.it.} 23:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You fail to see but almost everyone who has been here the last couple of years disagrees with you. So suck on that fuck-o. Acei9 23:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Ban ACe!!! He called me a bad name and hurt my feelings!!! ='( Notice I don't give a rats ass about what any majority thinks. If the majority are being stupid fuckheads about something, I'm certainly going to say so. You are being stupid fuckheads over this idiotic and unnecessary TK bullshit created drama. This is the last thing I will say on this. I've wasted enough time on intolerant people like yourself. δij^{i.broke.it.} 23:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
This user is an "asshole", "a two faced prick"[1], "truly one sick and vile person" who should be on a "leash"[2], and a "fucking liar"[3] ħumanUser talk:Human 23:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Hehe. I'm glad I'm not alone, Huw. δij^{i.broke.it.} 23:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Is this a dick-waving contest, then? I have determined that his actions are enough for me to not support in any way, shape or form him being sysopped, and to support him sharing the same vandal bin as Fall Down and MC. Belittling me and playing "who's been called nastier" is childish and insulting in its own right, in fact more so that it's coming from people I should be on friendly terms with and have some respect for. Apparently that's a one-way street on RW. --Kels (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't making an argument for or against anything, I just pasted in those nicely referenced statements by TK because I remembered stashing them somewhere. Of course, considering the source, I wear them as a badge of honor... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
TK is banned not a sysop for good reason. No good comes from him and never has. Intolerance doesn't come into it. If you care so much, you be his fucking friend. Acei9 23:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
TK is a concern troll and shit stirrer of the highest order. According to Kevin Conley (can't be bothered with finding links but see the TK CP-sysop page here, not his user page, and also PJR's expose of CP) he created havoc amongst the admins at the Hot Or Not site. Many early RationalWikians had private interaction with him as he said he was trying to bring CP down (because of the children) but we found that he often lied and played people against each other. He blackmailed an erstwhile editor into removing information from our article on him. I think most of us have examples of where he lied or made promises and broke his word when it suited him. When he was active here he tried to play newer editors who didn't know him against the old hands. He always plays the "poor persecuted me" card to try and gain sympathy. Despite it beng against RW's principles he was blocked because of the trouble he was causing. However, in spite of that I support Human's sysopping of him. I did the same myself and was shouted down but circumstances have changed and I don't believe that he would cause the same amount of trouble as before, forsooth we have enough bureaucrats to handle him if he gets uppity. Making him a sysop (which he requested; nay, demanded) also means he cannot use the 'admin at a vandal site argument' when whinging at WP or on blog comments. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 01:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
What I don't like is human unilateral sysopping of TK. As stated previously - if there were a consensus then theres consensus and the mob will have spoken. Its not like just sysoping any old person. He is just so untrustworthy and, as you said, gains the trust of other users that don't know history meaning with TK around everyone has to be on there guard. I just think its a bad idea considering his history. why do you think he'll change and what is to be gained? It is irrelavent that he'll no longer be able to proclaim the "vandal site" card. Since when has TK shown any modicum of honesty? Acei9 02:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Most of the time when TK was making trouble here he was not a sysop at CP. It was after he was kicked out for insulting Andy. After his 'prodigal son' return to CP he latched onto the vandal site meme. I don't believe he could cause the same havoc. I know that not all the other CP sysops have forgiven him for his treachery so being an active member here would be much harder to wave away. Of course I'm sure TK could lie his way out of it but what is given can easily be taken away should the need arise. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 02:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It seems as if GK's argument--and that of others--is that we should make TK a sysop because it may not/probably won't be "bad." Can anyone tell us what good could come out of TK being a sysop? Where is the value added for the community in doing this? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 02:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The hypocrisy would end. Treating Tk different on the mere fact he is TK is absurd. I just read where RA went nuclear on Human (and vice-versa). By the same standards "we" are judging TK, they should be stripped of sysopship, right? If there are going to be rules, tell us what they are and enforce them. If people are going to go apeshit random, why am I here? δij^{i.broke.it.} 02:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I fail to see how treating a bully like a bully is hypocritical. If you were here in the long-ago days of 2007/2008, you might understand why many of the oldtimers are reticent about this. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 02:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Standards for sysops have now been set so low that I can't see what further damage TK could do that he can't as a basic editor - the power would be virtually meaningless. Also TK's transgressions are in the past, at what point are people - even habitual criminals - considered to have paid their debts? If he transgresses again then he gets punished again but maintaining a grudge in perpetuity does not seem like a very liberal attitude - it's what I would expect from the likes of a reactionary and I know that you are certainly not one of those. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 03:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
This all seems like crazy talk. TK cannot be trusted, everyone knows this. What makes you think he can be trusted now? He's is having a ball with this already. Acei9 03:04, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
"If he transgresses again then he gets punished again..." Yeah, we do a bang-up job of that, don't we? How many second chances is this for him now, eight? --Kels (talk) 03:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I was here (not editing though). The hypocrisy, the way I see it, is that TK's bullying and Human's and RS's bullying, while almost identical in nature, are being handled completely differently. I have nothing against Human or RA, but their actions are the same as the offense TK is being treated differently for, no? δij^{i.broke.it.} 02:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
No, it isn't the same, who has Human or RA blackmailed?. There is no good that can come from TK being a sysop and I don't even know why its being discussed to be honest. And whats up with this "hypocrisy" bullshit? Who is this new MC? Acei9 02:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
No one talked about blackmail!!! Holy hell, all anyone mentioned before was he called them names! If he did actually do something like that, then yes, by all means vandal bin the fucker because that would be using the powers of sysopship maliciously. I have asked this many times...what the fuck did TK do? The answers I got ranged but an unsupported "broke the wiki" to name-calling. IT SEEMED TO ME EVERYONE HAD THEIR PANTIES IN A BUNCH BECAUSE TK CALLED THEM A BAD NAME. That's sure as fuck what it looked like to me. Please, tell me where I am wrong. δij^{i.broke.it.} 03:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Tell you what--when Huw or RA start CALLING PEOPLE'S BOSSES, or even threaten to, I'll take that into account. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 02:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

No one else has stated this. As before: the only substantiated claim was that he called people names. δij^{i.broke.it.} 03:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

What I really don't understand is the insistence on pushing people who like this place away by encouraging the participation of people who really don't, and want to disrupt it and make it less fun any way possible, all in the name of some lofty ideal or another. "Don't keep your mind so open that your brain falls out" was made for places like this, seriously. --Kels (talk) 03:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I cannot think of anything more fun than having a fundie actually here to mock and make fun of live. Bitching about what the asshole on CP said gets old after 2 minutes. δij^{i.broke.it.} 03:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
TK is not a fundie. TK is only interested in one thing: TK. For one example of his threatening a user, see footnote 4 here. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Kels, or anyone here with some institutional memory--am I going senile, or was there not an incident involving TK and our fearless leader's uni? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

He posted a link to trents uni page with photo's and contact details. Acei9 03:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Karajou went after someone in the States' uni around the same time, didn't he? --Kels (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
EC.Thanks Ace. BTW, Mrs. Practice gave me some awesome 12-year old Canadian rye, because I'm so great. Wish I could "cheers" you in real life. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I am sinking a beer with you in mind, friend. Acei9 03:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Now we're getting somewhere. Was it really so hard, Ace and Kels? I can certainly see why what ToP just posted is a serious offense that warrants treating TK differently. All my ranting would have been avoided had either of you posted anything along those lines. I asked numerous times, but never once got a legit answer (until now). Good grief. And Ace, you going batshit on me for no reason whatsoever was not highly appreciated. All I was doing was asking questions...a simple answer like ToP's would have done the trick. I think im fair when it comes to this kind of stuff...δij^{i.broke.it.} 03:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I was responding to your sarcastic and dickish post, friend. Where you try to lump me with TK for using profanity. Read the page from top to bottom. Acei9 03:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Agree with Ace, maybe you would have gotten further if you hadn't spent so much time trying to belittle me on my own talk page. --Kels (talk) 03:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Ace, I didn't lump you in anywhere except for saying you, for reasons yet untold, had a problem with TK. Elsewhere, I tried to get out of you what your problem might have been, but apparently that bit goes over on you.

Kels, it seemed to me (and still does) that your problem with TK is that he called you a bad name. Why did.do I think that? Because that is exactly what you said your problem with him was. Is it possible to see where I am coming from here...given everyone calling everyone else something horrific at one time or another? δij^{i.broke.it.} 03:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I said that's MY PROBLEM WITH HIM, and again you are belittling me by claiming that having shit like that thrown at me (and more) by someone who was clearly not joking (unlike the great majority of "something horrific" on this site that you refer to) is in itself insufficient. Bullshit. He's done lots more, as has been shown in this discussion, but to me the insult is plenty, and having him sysoped without so much as a "is this cool with you guys" is a much more serious insult since I generally hold folks here in much higher regard. And seriously, I don't need to justify my personal point of view to you beyond that. Don't give me that "I don't mind, so nobody should mind" bullshit, it doesn't wash. --Kels (talk) 03:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
You don't think my insult of TK was legit? Humans of RA's? I disagree that insulting someone is a offense punishable by promotion. For one, if it were, I doubt there would be any 'crats at all. Political arguments are going to end in insults. How else can they end? Someone is going to storm off with a parting shot. My argument to you isn't (and never has been) that I don't mind, so no one should. My argument is (and always has been) no one cares when anyone else does it (which is 100% true). THis is all for nought now, anyways. The fact that TK crossed the line and threatened someone means that he shouldn't be allowed here at all (in my opinion). There is a HUGE difference between a insult and a threat. δij^{i.broke.it.} 03:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
And that's fine FOR YOU. You don't get to tell me what to think or what to base my personal decisions on. Yes, I based it on the fact that he's deliberately disruptive, has threatened people and all the rest, but for me the misogynistic insult really stood out. Get it? I'll repeat since you don't get it, you don't get to tell me what to think, so quit acting like you do. --Kels (talk) 03:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Good god people. Why can't you open your minds? It's as clear as 2+2=4 that Kels is wrong because she's a woman. She should be in the kitchen baking cookies for my homeschool class, while Cgb07305 (what a ridiculous username), Ace, and TOP battle it out, chivalrous-style, in the talkpage. To conclude: I've skimmed some of the rants on this talkpage, and if you continue making posts like this, you will be politely escorted out of this project. Godspeed! --User:Theautocrat/Sig 04:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
@Kels, RE - The above. I think I love you.Rad McCool (talk) 05:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

My input

I've been avoiding jumping in this fray since it started, as I have better things to do. However, I think now's as good a time as any to give my input. I, personally, see no reason to sysop TK, unless he contributes positively to the site. DO I think he should be binned/banned? Absolutely not! But, as we found out when we sysopped MC, people who are sysops can do damage, and this site should not put itself and its serious contributors in harm's way by sysopping a troll. Mild trolling does not mean binnning and, since he's returned, all TK has been guilty of is trying to get a rise out of this community (which seems to have worked). But, I think giving him sysopship without substantial redemption for (from what I understand are) past offenses against this site's contributors on this wiki (fuck what he's done over at CP) is ridiculous. And that's my thoughts, and that is all I will have to say on this topic. AnarchoGoon Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living 03:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Your a calm voice over an angry battlefield, Goonie. love ya. Acei9 03:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
As a non-'crat, I'd prefer not to be involved. All discussions TK lead to chaos. All interaction TK leads to chaos. TK is all about TK; he has no loyalty to anyone but himself, and he only invokes yelling. He will whip us into a frenzy like he's done before. To be honest, if TK is a sysop and participating, I will not be around. It's not worth it. Sterile operating system 03:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Calmer Ace: I just don't know people expect him to have "Changed" or "Things are different". Seems naive in the extreme. Acei9 03:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
What Sterile said. I have just eaten Toast& stiltontalk 07:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)