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Thanks for updating "recent changes text"!  Gotta go outside in an hour and, er, worship the sunfulness.  Shit, I keep meaning to build a stonehenge here so I can keep track!  I feel like it's such a copout not to figure it out on my own! '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 23:54, 21 December 2007 (EST)
Nice balloons, by the way!
==[[Image:partytxime.gif|center]] ==
Okay this a-here page will house the 22nd's on-running celebration of Yule/solstice/Xmas party. <small>By the way, '''XMAS''' is pronounced cricksmas.</small>
[[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 10:12, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:What? Party here? We didn't know! You gotta send out invitations, man! [[User:GodlessLiberal|'''<font color="black">Г</font>''']]<font color="#ffbe00">☭</font>[[User:GodlessLiberal|'''<font color="black">длесс</font><font color="red">Либерал</font>''']] 11:11, 22 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:ctree_5a.gif|left]] Well, I've brought a tree who's got the booze?  [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]][[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Genghis</font>]] [[User_talk:Genghis Khant|<sup><small><font color=blue>Marauding</font></small></sup>]] 11:19, 22 December 2007 (EST)<br>
Sorry strictly BYOB, I'ma cheap bast'ad. [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]]
[[Image:partxychamp.gif|right]] OK here's some Bolly [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]][[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Genghis</font>]] [[User_talk:Genghis Khant|<sup><small><font color=blue>Marauding</font></small></sup>]] 12:21, 22 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] [[Image:guixnness.gif|35px]] <br>And some Guinness! All we need now are the RW strumpets. [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]][[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Genghis</font>]] [[User_talk:Genghis Khant|<sup><small><font color=blue>Marauding</font></small></sup>]] 15:14, 22 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:Long-eared_jerboax.jpg|thumb|right|<center>'''We loves X-mas parties!!!!'''</center>]]
[[Image:Pianoxbar01a.gif|thumb|right|<center>'''No Requests!!!!'''</center>]]
===Get Wet===
[[image:scotchx.jpg|thumb|center|''This'' iz wot I thawt u ment!]]
[[Image:Mudkipx.png|thumb|center|128px|pools r good four mudkips!]]
[[image:Swimming pool01x.jpg|thumb|center|<center>'''NO RUNNING!'''</center>]]
Swimming in December? Fascinating. --[[User:Linus|<font color="#00FF00">Linus</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Linus|plot evil tech]])</sup> 12:36, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:Unseen in the photo is the dome, besides it's summer in OZ.[[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 12:39, 22 December 2007 (EST)
===Kissing Station===
[[Image:poison01ax.jpg|thumb|left|<center>'''Your mononucleosis Headquarters!'''</center>]]
I'll be hanging out here. [[User:GodlessLiberal|'''<font color="black">Г</font>''']]<font color="#ffbe00">☭</font>[[User:GodlessLiberal|'''<font color="black">длесс</font><font color="red">Либерал</font>''']] 11:51, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:Careful, I have a lot of gay friends coming to this a-here sware-ay. [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]]
:This'll compliment my GBS quite well! [[User:Norseman|<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font color = "007700">Norseman</font></font>]][[User_talk:Norseman|<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font color = "0000EE"><sup>Wassail!</sup></font></font>]] 11:55, 22 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:Goatsm01x.jpg|200px]] Anybody bringed a can opener? [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]]
How about some of that vegamite stuff?
== <big><big><big><big><big><big>Party!!</big></big></big></big></big></big> ==
<big><big><big><big><big><big>''[[Goat]]''<font color="purple">!!!</font></big></big></big></big></big></big> 
And <big><big><big><big><big><font color=white>'''SNOW'''</font></big></big></big></big></big>.  It's all I've got :( No lemons, at least! '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 23:08, 22 December 2007 (EST)
== I's KY boy ==
I brings bourbon, and bourbon balls.  Enjoy. [[User:Researcher|Researcher]] 01:34, 23 December 2007 (EST)
:I can't stand the stuff (any more), but I mightily admire the bourbon mythologies! '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 01:45, 23 December 2007 (EST)
::My grandpa was eating bourbon balls this morning! He can bring us some more when we run out. [[User:GodlessLiberal|'''<font color="black">Г</font>''']]<font color="#ffbe00">☭</font>[[User:GodlessLiberal|'''<font color="black">длесс</font><font color="red">Либерал</font>''']] 16:44, 23 December 2007 (EST)
== HA! ==
I see you're still [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conservapedia_Talk:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F&diff=prev&oldid=99513 bitter] about your loss in the Doughnut war! --[[User:Hojimachong|'''<font color="green">Ζωροάστρης</font>''']] 20:33, 26 December 2007 (EST)
:Tis not bitterness but a bittersweet victory, knowing that heretics enjoying holeless "doughnuts" will roast in the fiery pits (Krispy Kreme oil heaters), for all eternity, still refusing the Truth, that only the holely are of the one, true, phaith. [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 21:15, 26 December 2007 (EST)
== Pakistan... ==
"Relationships have remained high..." Holy fuck, did I write that?!?!? Jesus. No more wikiediting before coffee. Thanks for catching that...[[User:PFoster|PFoster]] 11:44, 30 December 2007 (EST)
== two minutes? ==
You're getting soft. [[user talk:Bohdan]] 20:55, 31 December 2007 (EST)
== Blocking TK ==
Excuse me?  What in your mind is a "real reason", if not outright insults ''like the one I quoted''?  I'm reinstating the block until I get a straight answer on that. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 14:08, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:*The comment that earned the block didn't really rise to "intimidating behavior" IMO.
:*"old, bitter drunk" ''is'' [[user:human|Human]] anyway. Well, at least "old" and "drunk" are; bitter's a rather subjective term and given the nature of the exchange, mild.
:*In blocking you prove TK's point about the site not growing because the old guard tends to circle the wagons a bit too quickly and a bit too often.
:*The exchange started with other's taking shots at TK's expense: okay, they were mild jabs but he shouldn't be picked on...He should be allowed leeway to defend himself.
:*No-one found it offensive, but you, apparently.
:That said, I will not undo your block. I leave it to your own conscious.
:[[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 14:27, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::I would ban pretty much anyone for that crack, as well as the whole paragraph it was part of.  I wasn't singling TK out on that, and he'd already been warned about the Fibbonacci blocks in days, or I would have gone with only an hour or so.  Also, since nobody else commented on it, I'm a bit mystified at your comment that no-one found it offensive. --[[User:Kels|Kels]] 14:31, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::Let's then ask Huw when he gets here. He's the "offended party" should he be so inclined. [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 14:38, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::::Mmmm.  I'm not sure that's the right solution.  He may well say "So what." But is that the issue? Should the test for abusive behavior be whether the person insulted complains, or should it be whether it appears insulting to third parties?  In other words should every person subjected to cyber-bullying be obliged to post a formal complaint against his persecutor or should admins be expected to step in? While Human is well able to take care of himself, we should also remember that we are setting a bit of a precedent here.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 14:46, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:::::Good natured snarks or offensive behavior have to be judged in the light of the participants and the follow-up in the exchange. Had the comments come from Bohdan, (though not his style), would we be having this discussion? Ah well, volleyball calls me. [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]]
::::::That is the question indeed.  I feel that the answer is no, as certain users seem to have an extreme grudge against Tk (Not saying he's always in the free and clear, he has gone after other users to, but his comments sure do seem to draw much more fire than others). {{:User:Pinto's5150/sig}} 15:06, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:::::::Pinto - I tried to say a similar thing but reset my wireless router by mistake. Working on two PCs at once :( [[Image:jollyfish.gif|25px]][[User:Genghis Khant|<font color=Blue>Genghis</font>]] [[User_talk:Genghis Khant|<sup><small><font color=blue>Marauding</font></small></sup>]] 15:52, 6 January 2008 (EST)
I have one more bit of research to do before commenting here. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 21:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)
===Comment from human===
First a general comment.  In the past, we have tested personal attacks by the standard of whether someone feels attacked or not.  I remember, for instance, blocking HG once for what I perceived to be an insult.  The receiver of the "insult", however, said he didn't mind HG's comment - so there was no foul and we unblocked HG forthwith.  It ''does'' make sense to do this - for instance, an "in joke" between two editors may look nasty from the outside, but be harmless to those involved (as long as they aren't insulting ''someone else'').
Second, the issue at hand.  Last night after getting off the phone with a friend 'round 1:30 AM (2:30 contrib list time) I scanned my watchlist quickly, and made ''two edits''.  This first was to talk:main, and is the section in question, and  the second was in mucketykipeze on the bible talk page, and was utterly harmless.  I investigated this in the off-chance I had provoked TK somewhere else on the wiki.
Here is what I added to a fairly random thread: "Me me me! Everyone forgot me!!!! Oh, never mind... humansub 01:37, 6 January 2008 (EST)".  Fairly innocuous, I think, and not directed at anyone specifically. 
TK replied "Yes, you old, bitter drunk...denigrate and diminish even nice conversations when they don't go the way you wish (down the toilet). It's apparent to everyone who comes here and has left.....odd you don't notice the RW retention rate, even for far-leftists, is dismal. That's because old, bitter snarks who have been made admins, want it like that. Otherwise your control over the place will go. And control is what you are all about. --TK/MyTalk 02:19, 6 January 2008 (EST)"
Points taken one by one...
*I am old, sure.  Not as old as TK, but older than "most" people on here.
*I'm not "bitter".
*While I may drink to excess quite regularly, and feature the scotch userbox on my user page, etc., there was nothing to indicate drunkenness (or bitterness?) in my silly little post.
**Combining these three adjectives is something one should only do when they are close enough to the other person that they know it's a joke.  And it had better be followed with j/k or a smiley, ''at least'', if typed on the innertubes.
*The next section is what I consider a personal attack, pure and simple.  "denigrate and diminish even nice conversations when they don't go the way you wish (down the toilet)" has nothing to do with what I said, and implies a pattern on my part of denigrating and diminishing nice conversations - which is not substantiated.
*The rant about control and user retention is irrelevant, although it's also pretty nasty in a general sort of way.
Trouble is, I didn't read any of this until this evening, about 18 hours later.  Who knows what would have ensued if I had read it last night - I might have complained, I might not have cared, or, worse, I might have been rude in return (although I've not done that sort of thing for a while). 
TK has a history of calling me some pretty offensive things, and I don't like it when he does.  I never find it funny, and it bothers me when people post unsubstantiated personal attacks on me on the web.
Summary: I do consider the post an offensive personal attack.  I leave it up to the rest of you to decide, however, whether the 2 day block should run its course or if "time served" is adequate.  And to discuss whether Kels was rash or justified in the block. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 21:28, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:The block was a good one, IMO, I originally reverted it based on my (considerable) gut telling me that '''too much time had elapsed from the time of the comment to the block.''' It looked vindictive. My gut has been wrong before and perhaps I shoulda stayed out of it (or at least talked about it before reverting the block). The comment on the unblock was "Please have a real reason for blocking" and seems now, in retrospect, a tad too terse, (or even wrong). <!-- Nah!--> As always, we should strive to "play nice" with other people's children. [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 21:55, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::Do we know for a fact that TK was referring to Human?  It wasn't indented in as far as Human's comment (IIRC).  I thought at first he was referring to Susan (the two aren't the best of friends, she had just made a comment about him previously).  Then again, I'm notorious at misunderstanding people. [[User:Thunderkatz|Thunderkatz]]<sup>[[User talk:Thunderkatz|Ho!]]</sup> 22:17, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::So looking back, it probably was about Human (no one else had commented close to that).  However, in light of the fact that nothing TK said in that section was coherent or on topic, I vote we forgive him for being drunk and unblock him.  [[User:Thunderkatz|Thunderkatz]]<sup>[[User talk:Thunderkatz|Ho!]]</sup> 22:21, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:::What makes you think TK was drunk? I rather doubt it, but if he was, why would that mean we should unblock him?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 05:49, 7 January 2008 (EST)
The problem is Human, you are being too "rational", and TK is "irrational". So to give his comments the same respect as you would those of someone who is not a psychopath, would be a mistake. TK has a habit of repeating things that people have said to him. So when he calls you "old" or "bitter" or a "drunk" this is because someone has said this to him. If he complains that you "denigrate and diminish even nice conversations" it's a sure bet that someone has accused him of doing this in the past. Ditto his "control is what you are all about" remark. It's not really about you, you are just a convenient target for the "hate" that he so often accuses others of having. You must understand the madness behind the man... {{unsigned|}}
:::I guess I follow your logic?  Well, yes, he is a sociopath, etc., etc.  I get the picture.  Compare our contribs to the wiki if you're ''really'' bored. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 06:11, 7 January 2008 (EST)
So, according to "Human" is is acceptable to call someone a sociopath, but not a bitter, old drunk, lol.  Typical of the power elite here, allowed to get away with whatever they want to, but demanding they be allowed to silence and harass whoever they don't like.  Very liberal! Very rational!  He sounds like Andy, inviting others to "make substantial edits of a quality kind", in his statement above, knowing full well, if one investigates my contribs, one finds lots of "missing" wiki glitches, deleted material, and 95% of all my edits here have been reversed, mainly out of spite.  The elites here, they only fool themselves.....anything to hold on to power. We understand them.  --[[User:TK|TK]]<sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk</sub><sup>''Remember: Old English Prunes Are Usually Bitter''</sup>]] 18:12, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:I have no idea why I didn't get blocked (yet) for that.  Sometimes the gears of justice creak slowly...? '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 18:35, 8 January 2008 (EST)
::No, they work as you make them. All the better for me to make my points, is all. Neither was your fellow Cabalist Kels blocked for her attack on me in WIGO.  Nor were you or AmesG blocked, for doing the same on my talk page last month.  Only those who admins dislike are ever blocked, except for your beard and shining example of "tolerance" Bohdan.  Like I said earlier, even my recent block, formulated on AmesG's bogus pronouncement, based upon two reversed and against the rules blocks by you and AmesG, was crap.  It only makes people stay away, as you members of the Cabal show how intolerant you are, and use comparisons to fascist CP to show you are more tolerant.  Being a bit more tolerant than a Nazi, isn't a particularly good thing in most people's opinion, Human.  Let's see you and AmesG give up, completely, your power, forever, to see how much equality you can take, huh? --[[User:TK|TK]]<sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk</sub>]]<sup>''Remember: Old English Prunes Are Usually Bitter''</sup> 18:49, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:::Dude.... whilst personality disorders aren't generally responsive to treatment, at least beg your doctor for some fucking Valium or something. Two of them and a pint, and you might be halfway bearable. --[[User:Robledo|Robledo]] 19:02, 8 January 2008 (EST)
How about you get the same comments I do, the same edit reversals just out of spite I get, the same hate emails these tolerant people send me?  Always easy to put others down, Robledo, especially when you don't ever see both sides, or even ask.  But that's your right. At least I wouldn't block you for your opinion.  --[[User:TK|TK]]<sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk</sub>]]<sup>''Remember: Old English Prunes Are Usually Bitter''</sup> 19:17, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:God I'm half an inch away from blocking everyone who has posted on this page, myself included. {{:User:Pinto's5150/sig}} 19:37, 8 January 2008 (EST)  I suppose asking the lot of you for some mature treatment of each other would be a stretch? {{:User:Pinto's5150/sig}}
::'''"A bureaucrat is the true voice of the people in a Wiki project. He or she is supported and recognized by <u>all</u> as a fair administrator of the rules, who does not spark controversy, but instead mollifies it, bringing users together rather than splitting them apart...." -AmesG'''10:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Request_for_Bureaucratship&diff=next&oldid=129202]<br>  --[[User:TK|TK]]<sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk</sub>]]<sup>''Remember: Old English Prunes Are Usually Bitter''</sup> 19:53, 8 January 2008 (EST)
== privacy question ==
I'm working on this:
And you edited CP as Cracker and as your real name.  To follow the format I've used, I would be "outing" your real name.  If that's ok with you I'll do it, other wise I'll just put that username on its own row.
Thanks! '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 01:01, 7 January 2008 (EST)
:Yes, that's fine with me.
:I was also:
*[[cp:user:Passing Fancy|Passing Fancy]]
*[[cp:user:Samwell|Samwell]] (The "good"), before I sold it to whatshername...
.[[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 13:40, 7 January 2008 (EST)
:::OK, I'll combine them (your two main accounts) later today.  Those others are all latterday socks, aren't they?  As opposed to RW1-era CP users?  I suppose I can look up their records myself... '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 16:02, 7 January 2008 (EST)
::::Right, in the RW era I only had Cracker and Rob Pommer, those listed above are post-purge. [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]]
It is possible that I, also, wore some socks, but I cannot remember which were the most prolific. [[User:PalMD|--PalMD]][[User_Talk:PalMD|<sup>-Mmmm...Brains!</sup>]] 16:11, 7 January 2008 (EST)
==You foole!==
Negative time blocks don't work! Bwahahahaha! [[User_Talk:Cracker|CЯacke<big>®</big>]] 00:40, 10 January 2008 (EST)
== Rant thingie ==
How come it got moved back to CS?* (*community standards, for those to tired to type it)
I get dizzy keepin' track!!!  I thought it wuz here while I replied to TK's latest paranoid, divisory crap.
Oh, wait, maybe I know why you don't want it on your user space now... '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 02:50, 16 January 2008 (EST)
== Are you leaving? ==
I'd probably cry.-{{user:amesg/options}} 14:56, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:I almost did. --[[User:Linus|<font color="#00FF00">Linus</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Linus|plot evil tech]])</sup> 15:53, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::Me too.  I'll miss you. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 16:07, 16 January 2008 (EST)
<big>Where did thIs come from? </big> Cracker's not going surely  - heartbreak :-( [[User:SusanG|<font color = "0022ff">Susan</font>]][[User_talk:SusanG|<font color = "775500"><sup>''Purrrrrrr''</sup></font>]] 16:33, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:See the forums… you'll notice a change if you look carefully enough. It's there. --[[User:Linus|<font color="#00FF00">Linus</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Linus|plot evil tech]])</sup> 16:41, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::Also see the block log (too lazy to provide a link)  Oh, ok, [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page= here] '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 19:41, 16 January 2008 (EST)
Don't do it, fella. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7192457.stm Keegan's back in charge of the Toon] - you'll be pissing on an otherwise beautiful day. --[[User:Robledo|Robledo]] 16:56, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:I don't understand, Cracker seemed to be an unproductive wise-ass, that only posted to WIGO and various talk pages to add his touch of (what I'd guess could be called) humor. Maybe I just don't know the backstory. I don't know. Can I have his sysopship? [[User:Warren Terra|Warren Terra]] 19:17, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::No, you can have a nice block though, if you're still interested...... {{:User:Pinto's5150/sig}} 19:18, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:::"Requesting" sysopship is generally considered a disqualification for demotion here.  So sorry. '''[[user:human|<font color="#DD00DD" face="comic sans ms">human</font>]]'''{{User:Human/sigtalk}} 19:41, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::::But I '''want''' to be ''pro''-...ah, I see. I guess it's too late to say I wouldn't touch a sysopship here with a giant from Warsaw? [[User:Warren Terra|Warren Terra]] 22:14, 16 January 2008 (EST)
*Is this it? You're gone? [[user talk:Bohdan]] 22:18, 18 January 2008 (EST)

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