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::::::OK. Yes that could be the explanation.  I'd put the first account in the vandal bin (for the "Darwin was a sock of Hitler" edit) when the second one was created, so I think her IP should have been blocked as well.  Presumably Rose has a dynamic IP and she logged of and logged back in, was automatically given a new IP, and created the new account - without, what she suddenly realised was, a strange character.  Isn't "assume good faith" a wonderful thing?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 16:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 
::::::OK. Yes that could be the explanation.  I'd put the first account in the vandal bin (for the "Darwin was a sock of Hitler" edit) when the second one was created, so I think her IP should have been blocked as well.  Presumably Rose has a dynamic IP and she logged of and logged back in, was automatically given a new IP, and created the new account - without, what she suddenly realised was, a strange character.  Isn't "assume good faith" a wonderful thing?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|<sup>bing up</sup>]] 16:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 
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[[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)
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With hindsight it may have been better to wait for trouble before blocking the second Rose Pedals. Weren't the 2 similar and confusing accounts trouble?  This happened in the middle of a vandal attack.  I've had repeated obscene vandalism to my userpage and talk page. The vandalism was before that and since then.  The creator of both Rose Pedals accounts clearly knew how to do ban evasion and wouldn't be permanently blocked. 
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On RationalWiki we avoid the blatant abuse of power that happens on Conservapedia.  There will always be a few human errors and there will always be disagreement about borderline cases. I hope this discussion won't start that obscene vandal off again.  We do need to discuss borderline cases.  If we don't we may gradually slide into unfair blocking practise. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 04:52, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 
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That's the most pathetic welcome from someone on RationalWiki I've ever seen. I think we can do better. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:23, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

I offer a most heartfelt welcome to you, Phantom Hoover. Welcome to the alarming alarming lemon! Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:23, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Ah, I got a welcoming block for being a sock of AmesG. Phantom Hoover
Welcome to the Dollhouse! Nice sig font, by the way. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:18, 16 November 2008 (EST)
My sig is just a heavily edited version of yours. How do you do the upside-down text, by the way? Phantom Hoover
Hmmm, interesting. I'm not sure how to do the upside down thing (I haven't used it - or have I?), they aren't in the box of tricks below the edit box. Maybe look at the source of someone doing it, copy from there? ħumanUser talk:Human 17:13, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Tried that, they just come out as normal characters. Phantom Hoover
Let's see... sloqɯʎs puɐ suƃıs uɐɪɹɐssoʎ - did that work? (Yes) I suspect he copied and pasted them in from some font in another application, perhaps. Maybe you should ask Yossarian how he did it? ħumanUser talk:Human 15:25, 19 November 2008 (EST)
xoq ɐdɪ əʜɫ uɪ s,ɫɪ 'ɫɪ punoɟ Bastard time Hoover!
It is? I don't see it. Anyway, glad you found it! ħumanUser talk:Human 18:00, 20 November 2008 (EST)
They're not in a list, they're scattered around the weird symbol list. For instance, the ʎ, ɥ, ə and ɐ are in the IPA list, while Б is Cyrillic and n, u, o and so on are just normal symbols. Bastard time Hoover!
Ah, I see. So while some are "perfect", like u and n, and the ʎ is pretty good, others are clunkier, like ɥ. The key is to use a phrase that employs the better ones ;)
ɐ q (c) p ə (f) ƃ ɥ ɪ (j) (k) (l) ɯ u o d b ɹ s (t) n Λ м x λ z - missing six so far... ħumanUser talk:Human 17:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Heh, ok, "l" is wrong in edit mode (serif) but fine in display if one is defaulting to sans-serif (arial) ħumanUser talk:Human 17:29, 24 November 2008 (EST)
ʌ-- ˙ǝʇsɐd puɐ ʎdoɔ ǝןdɯıs ɐ ɥʇıʍ ǝןqıssod ǝʇınb sı uʍop ǝpısdn ƃuıʇıɹʍ ʍoɥ ʇno puıɟ puɐ '„ʇǝuɹǝʇuı„ ǝɥʇ pǝןןɐɔ uoıʇuǝʌuı ןnɟɹǝpuoʍ sıɥʇ ɹǝʌo ɥɔɹɐǝs ǝןdɯıs ʎןƃuıɯɹɐןɐ uɐ ɯɹoɟɹǝd oʇ noʎ oɟ ǝןqıssod sı ʇı 'sʞuıɥʇǝɯ 'ɹo

Demotion

RationalWiki:Sysop guide explore as you see fit. The mobs and buckets are in room 202. tmtoulouse 13:00, 24 November 2008 (EST)

That block spree O_O

Hey there, watching through the recent changes, I noticed a rather fascinating block spree you went on with "My Password is ____". In general, we don't block for reasons of wandals unless they are actually wandals wandalising RationalWiki (although fun blocks are perfectly fine). Just thought I should drop a line, and give you some advice on that brand-new banhammer (Don't worry about it, we are all, deep down, eager to use our banhammer ;). ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ no hell below him

Yes, I was in a slightly mad frame of mind. I'm very sorry, I won't do it again. Anyway, [bitterness]what about the 1 day block I got on my first day? [/bitterness] Bastard time Hoover!

Block of Proxima Centauri

Why the f*ck did you block me? Proxima Centauri 04:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)

You blocked Rose pedals for a year, despite the fact that they had done nothing to warrant a block. Bastard time Hoover!
Rose Pedals looks like a sock of User:Fall down. Proxima Centauri 04:27, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Did they hit Women, Whores, RationalWiki and Child support? WazzaHello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me... 04:28, 13 December 2008 (EST)
In addition, their only edit was a silly one to Charles Darwin, which could not, by any stretch of the imagination, be considered like FD's rubbish. Bastard time Hoover!

There was other trouble. There were 2 similar accounts made to look the same to confuse. SEE below. I blocked him for several reasons.

1. He turned up in the middle of a vandal attack.

2. The name, Rose Pedals was similar to User:Spring flowers, User:Summer flowers and User:Autumn flowers. Those three are socks of the vandal.

3 The first contribution this new user made looked like vandalism.

4 When the second Rose Pedals came up that confirmed this user is setting out to confuse us and I blocked again without hesitation.

I still think it's more likely than not that the Rose Pedals accounts are socks of the vandal. I think we should leave one of the two accounts open just incase he wants to edit constructively. If there's more trouble block him. Proxima Centauri 10:18, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks for the update, yes, there was a lot of confusion going on. Hopefully it is all settled out now. ħumanUser talk:Human 14:01, 11 December 2008 (EST)
On an associated technical question, how come we have two different users with what looks like exactly the same name "Rose Pedals"? Look at the user creation log and the talk pages - they are different. Or are my old eyes playing tricks?--Bobbing up 14:24, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Is probably using a different Ascii letter for one of the letters - no idea which one - it's not cap i & lc L though. Or the space might be involved " " and "_" ? Fortinbrass 14:29, 11 December 2008 (EST)
"Rose Pedаls" "Rose Pedals" Hmmm. Firefox is marking the first "Pedals" as mispelled, so although even in a serif font it looks the same, obviously one of the characters is not. Copied into Word, changed font to "wingdings", the "a" is different. The "wrong one" is the one with the short talk page. Yup, copying the url shows the "a" is really %D0%B0, whatever that is. Should we rename them to something innocuous? ħumanUser talk:Human 14:31, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Well, they are pretty innocuous already. But it does rather indicate a knowledge of block circumvention, proxies, and trickywikying on the part of the innocent Miss Rose. Still - assume good faith, presumption of innocence and all that.--Bobbing up 14:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)
True. PS, by "renaming them" I only meant the one with the weird character in it. Perhaps Rose signed on using a mucked up character first then re-signed using normal letters? (The weird one was first, IIRC). ħumanUser talk:Human 14:46, 11 December 2008 (EST)
OK. Yes that could be the explanation. I'd put the first account in the vandal bin (for the "Darwin was a sock of Hitler" edit) when the second one was created, so I think her IP should have been blocked as well. Presumably Rose has a dynamic IP and she logged of and logged back in, was automatically given a new IP, and created the new account - without, what she suddenly realised was, a strange character. Isn't "assume good faith" a wonderful thing?--Bobbing up 16:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Proxima Centauri 04:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)

With hindsight it may have been better to wait for trouble before blocking the second Rose Pedals. Weren't the 2 similar and confusing accounts trouble? This happened in the middle of a vandal attack. I've had repeated obscene vandalism to my userpage and talk page. The vandalism was before that and since then. The creator of both Rose Pedals accounts clearly knew how to do ban evasion and wouldn't be permanently blocked.

On RationalWiki we avoid the blatant abuse of power that happens on Conservapedia. There will always be a few human errors and there will always be disagreement about borderline cases. I hope this discussion won't start that obscene vandal off again. We do need to discuss borderline cases. If we don't we may gradually slide into unfair blocking practise. Proxima Centauri 04:52, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Where'd you copy and paste the conversation from? Bastard time Hoover!