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::No, it's what I did.  I integrated this template with the category "political pundits".  I'm not trying to "not offend anyone".  Perhaps you could write an article on political pundits wherein you express your opinions of various ones.  Using a nav template to do it is counterproductive.  If you write such an article it would basically be a portal to the cat, and be linked from it. navigation templates usually just list articles, sorry if I bored you.  {{User:Human/sig|}} 04:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::No, it's what I did.  I integrated this template with the category "political pundits".  I'm not trying to "not offend anyone".  Perhaps you could write an article on political pundits wherein you express your opinions of various ones.  Using a nav template to do it is counterproductive.  If you write such an article it would basically be a portal to the cat, and be linked from it. navigation templates usually just list articles, sorry if I bored you.  {{User:Human/sig|}} 04:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I don't think you addressed much of what I wrote above, and my interactions with you and what I've seen of you recently leave me unimpressed.  I'll remove the template in the article I wrote on David Frum and let others do what they want with this template as they see fit, which is easier than picking an edit war over the lame version you created.  --[[User:Leotardo|Leotardo]] ([[User talk:Leotardo|talk]]) 04:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I don't think you addressed much of what I wrote above, and my interactions with you and what I've seen of you recently leave me unimpressed.  I'll remove the template in the article I wrote on David Frum and let others do what they want with this template as they see fit, which is easier than picking an edit war over the lame version you created.  --[[User:Leotardo|Leotardo]] ([[User talk:Leotardo|talk]]) 04:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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Templates, especially navigational ones, are intended to improve access to pages on the wiki, not express one editor's random groupings of articles.  The template simply gets people to places.  What you were writing in it would have been better of as an article. A lead article, linked in the top of the template. {{User:Human/sig|}} 05:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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Interesting. Stewart and Colbert aren't pundits, they are simply entertainers. but keep working on it ħumanUser talk:Human 02:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, although I think what you write would be a difficult proposition to support if we were to discuss it Winking0001.gif --Leotardo (talk) 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I suggest: get rid of the categorization of them, have the template add the category "pundits", and simply use dpl to list a random group of a dozen or so of them. Also, the image says more "screaming moron" than "pundit" to me. But it's a WIP, obviously. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I find pundits to be more opening their mouths voicing their opinions than really thinking things through. That's the hope of the symbolism behind the wanton, open, screaming mouth. The "Mmmm...okay" column is really the only effort to provide a gray area, and I'm unhappy with the categorization names, but I don't want to get rid of them as there is a hierarchy of quality. --Leotardo (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but many pundits aren't "screamers". I like the general idea, but maybe an image evocative of "talking head" would be better. Many of the people listed here never scream, and many are well-informed and useful. The cats are too much "one person's opinion", I think. Just put the template on all the pundits pages and let dpl pick the links randomly. The articles themselves explain what these people are like. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
It's my understanding RationalWiki doesn't have a problem with opinion, it's just whether it holds true or not. So I don't understand your Wikipedia-esque objections. If the categories fall flat, people will change them and I welcome it, but your critique is pretty amorphous and doesn't highlight a concern that I can sink my teeth into except that the image is overstated symbolism. --Leotardo (talk) 03:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
So write an article about political pundits. The categories fell flat and I changed them. You are making a template here, not an article. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I also don't think Rivera is a "pundit". Go ahead, though, and add this to all the other people, then we can do the dpl thing to list them? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
How are you defining this term? Because Rivera is certainly a pundit on Fox News. --Leotardo (talk) 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
OK. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

A lot of these people need to be "defaultsort"ed. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

the "cats" for the pundits

It seems to be highly subjective. In other words, you are putting your opinion of each of these people on 27 pages, which is a bit strong to do without discussion.

The version I made, which pulls a random 13 of the article in the category "political pundits" up, is at least not so editorially contestable. However, you may wish to improve the intro to the random list. The image still bothers me. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Let's start with the hyperbole: where are you getting the 27 page number? Is this what I've inadvertently done, or is that what you are expecting I will do. If it's my opinion, so what? I find many of the articles, categories, and choices for Template:Discrimination to be random and opinion-oriented, so why is an opinion here an issue for you? If the people on the handful of articles I inserted it on object to the insertion (I welcome reverted) or the categories, I expect they will voice their opinions without the need for you to portend problems. Your template changes are dull and lack much creativity, wit or originality. Perhaps I'm mistaken in my interest in this site, because I didn't think it was a bland, politically correct "don't offend anyone" sort of place, and that's the face you paint on it for me, to be frank, particularly as one of the old-timers. --Leotardo (talk) 03:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
No, it's what I did. I integrated this template with the category "political pundits". I'm not trying to "not offend anyone". Perhaps you could write an article on political pundits wherein you express your opinions of various ones. Using a nav template to do it is counterproductive. If you write such an article it would basically be a portal to the cat, and be linked from it. navigation templates usually just list articles, sorry if I bored you. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't think you addressed much of what I wrote above, and my interactions with you and what I've seen of you recently leave me unimpressed. I'll remove the template in the article I wrote on David Frum and let others do what they want with this template as they see fit, which is easier than picking an edit war over the lame version you created. --Leotardo (talk) 04:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Templates, especially navigational ones, are intended to improve access to pages on the wiki, not express one editor's random groupings of articles. The template simply gets people to places. What you were writing in it would have been better of as an article. A lead article, linked in the top of the template. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)