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[edit] Herein goeth anything regarding the technicalities of the wiki

FAQs & Problems:

  • Problems with accessing the wiki
  • Queries about extensions
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  • CSS Help
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If you've written, or are using, some extension or script that either might give others problems or is giving you a problem, then either describe it or link to it on this page.

If you've written some piece of code that you want help with, ask here with linkage.

If your browser acts up with some code,ask here.

In short, anything techy, ask, tell or link on this page.

If you think it is a server-type issue, feel free to email the goat at ttoulouse@gmail.com or touloutm@mcmaster.ca for best results.

[edit] Transitioning to MediaWiki 1.23 (sticky)

RW is currently running MediaWiki 1.19, and its end-of-life is May 2015. As it's April now, it's about time to start a transition to 1.23, the next long-term support version. At the very least, installing 23 to rationalbeta to see what breaks would give people time to spot and fix resign to any problems during the next month or so.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Emailed Trent about this (amongst many things) a few days ago, waiting on response - David Gerard (talk) 23:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Any progress with this? I haven't followed closely the wiki recently, so if there was a "come to Rationalbeta to break it" announcement I haven't seen it.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
0 so far. I'll set it up on my private box at some point - David Gerard (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Setting it up as I write this - David Gerard (talk) 21:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
FUCKING INNODB FUCK FUCKING FUCK YOU AAAAAAAAA - David Gerard (talk) 07:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
FUCKING FUCKING INNODB. The database is big enough that I cannot fit it on my server ... in 200GB of space. That's a 45GB database as imported into InnoDB. I do not know what the fuck MySQL thinks it's doing there. But I'll need another approach, or possibly another box. Fuck - David Gerard (talk) 22:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
FUCKING BINLOGS WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY ON BY DEFAULT Well, I've got it onto the test server. Stuff is not working right and it's really slow without the Squids in front, but I should have something to start kicking shortly ... - David Gerard (talk) 22:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Just preventing this from getting archived.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Let's see if stickying it works - ZooBot does detect that, doesn't it? :-) - David Gerard (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced articles

Is there a way of finding unreferenced articles? Other than trawling through every page, that is. BicyclewheelModerator 09:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Category:Articles with unsourced statements? Alternatively, the auto-generated list of transclusions of Template:Fact, though the few cases when it's used ironically will make it contain more pages than the category.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
but that's only for disputed statements, not unreferenced articles as a whole. BicyclewheelModerator 10:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Well... I can see maybe using Special:Export in conjunction with Special:AllPages to export the files, build an xml crawler and look for articles lacking <ref>. But that would take a while. Alternatively, we could add a hidden category to <references />, but that might be a bad idea. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 13:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
what you'd need is a way of adding all articles tocategory:Unreferenced articles, and get <references><nowiki> and <nowiki>{{reflist}} to suppress such inclusion. And have it only in mainspace. Hmmm. BicyclewheelModerator 13:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
JW, why would you want to find articles w/o references? ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 14:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Because unsourced/unreffed articles are hotbeds for wrong information and also libel, as well as just looking unprofessional? --Miekal 15:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe, but articles with 0 references also tend to be stubs that nobody will ever read. Bicycle, it's probably more efficient to try and clear out the articles with unsourced statements before doing this. Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 16:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
both need to be done. We may as well make up the list now even if we're not gonna deal with it yet. Also an article with no sources is by definition filled with unsourced statements.--Miekal 16:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
True. Lemme try smth FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 17:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Not all unreferenced articles are stubs. I came here because of the Martyr article, which was uncited until I added a couple yesterday. BicyclewheelModerator 09:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I might be able to make a bot that will be able to get the articles in a given category and count the references in each one with relatively little effort.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

is there one on WP that you could, ahem, "borrow"? BicyclewheelModerator 19:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Surprisingly, no, and I've spent some time looking. I'll try to cobble something on top of pywikibot re-using parts of existing scripts. Sorry for the delay, it's holiday time here. Don't expect me to finish it before the egg-bashing is over.--ZooGuard (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Is Pibot back?

And who is in charge of it? (Look at Special:Contributions/Pibot - I dropped out for a few days and it appeared. It may have been active longer than that, with ZooBot not leaving any work for it.)--ZooGuard (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It's back, but for some reason it ignores some pages, which ZooBot archives correctly. Can whoever is running it please stand up?--ZooGuard (talk) 07:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to block it to see if anyone will notice.--ZooGuard (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Something useful we used to have but don't have anymore. Can we get it back some how?

We used to have something where we had an "edit" button for editing the lead section of the article itself. Would it be possible to get that back? It was most helpful on highly edited pages to avoid edit conflicts. Pretty please? I'll even make a David Gerard-style martini and post a picture of it if needed. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Add &section=0 to the end of the URL. Alternatively steal the "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" from Wikipedia.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
We do have it. It's a gadget. The gadgets only work 25% of the time. 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 02:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
The gadgets are flaky - David Gerard (talk) 15:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a gadgets tab – is the sofware update likely to result in an improvement in gadget performance? pablo 11:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, unlikely to make it worse ... - David Gerard (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Splendid news, thanks! pablo 15:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] invoke

Someone should fix things so my work around isn't necessary.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:42, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

1.23, Lua, Scribunto (good idea, yes) - David Gerard (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] An editing feature I would love to see.

Is there any way to do one of the following: 1. have the edit window have an option in which everything in between ref tags is replaced by a single-character place holder to facilitate reading and editing something like a 5 or 6 sentence pgph that has mulotiple citations on each sentence. Thus you could edit text and collapse the refs, making the reading/writing easier but also making one less likely to fuck up a ref inadvertently. If that's dreaming in technicolour, just a doodad that makes text in between reference tags show in red so it's easier for, say, a dyslexic editor, to not get lost in such a pgph. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 02:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Visual editor probably. Also Wikia has some weird markup up that color codes stuff between formatting tags.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:36, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Complicated references in wikitext is an utter shitshow, yes. How well does the Wikipedia visual editor work for this? (Their referencing makes ours look simple.) - David Gerard (talk) 09:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] RationalWiki offline version

I saw a link to the dump of RationalWiki, but I am not technical enough to understand the xml and stuff. Plus, the file is so large, which probably includes pages I don't need (like talk pages?). I wonder if it's possible (if there's anyone willing to) to help provide offline release of the articles like the Wikipedia does here? RationalWiki can make a release every few years and probably put it in the ZIM format so that it can be opened in Kiwix software. Perhaps, if we don't prefer to provide it the Wikipedia way, maybe we can do it this way like the Wikipedia for Schools does? I am dying to see this happen because I won't be using fast internet forever and that there'll be time when I am not connected at all. I like the articles very much and signed up to this wiki just so I can post this here. ElizaVanilla (talk) 01:19, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Basically, if someone who does have the technical knowledge wants to, they're free to do that - David Gerard (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
where would I find these dumps if I wanted a look ? thanks Hamster (talk) 03:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
RationalWiki:Content dumps - need to run these again - David Gerard (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
If RationalWiki would offer a Parsoid API (necessary for the VisualEditor for example). I can provide up2dates offline snapshots. Kelson@Kiwix
Emailed with Emmanuel from Kiwix - with the 1.23 upgrade, I'll try adding a Parsoid too and we'll see what we can do to put an offline RationalWiki on Kiwix :-D - David Gerard (talk) 18:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Is anything happening with this? Would love to this to happen! (talk) 09/09/15 15:46 GMT

[edit] PDF files bork the formatting of the automatically produced text

Because they don't have pixels. Anyone techy wanna fix it? (talk) 20:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. Example? - David Gerard (talk) 23:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Here ya go. Look beneath the PDF icon where an image is normally displayed. (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, it's trying to use ImageMagick to find the dimensions of a PDF and failing. That's MediaWiki being stupid. I have no plans to fix it, instead preferring to contemplate the 1.23 upgrade (which I did yesterday at work with disconcerting ease ... we'll see how it goes with a complicated and messy public wiki) - David Gerard (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] File:Colorful flag.png -> File:Gay flag.svg

Could someone with more knowledge of the wikimedia software and more privileges replace all uses of File:Colorful flag.png with File:Gay flag.svg, since the latter is the vector variant of the former image?--Arisboch (talk) 09:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I've replaced it on the two userbox templates which accounted for most its use. There are still a bunch of user pages where it appears in ad hoc userboxes, but it's as a small image so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not being a svg. WëäŝëïöïďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] I cant find gadgets

I havent seen gadgets at all, bar one time when i first became sysop, is something wrong? Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 12:51, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

It intermittently works. Nobody knows why. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 12:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Is there a way to get it to work ,or will i have to wait Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 13:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Because i really want to turn on gadgets. Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Are you a robosexual? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 19:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
#awkward Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
The actual reason for the intermittent behaviour: it depends which of the two Apache servers you get today. And the reason for that is probably weird cross-site BS, because our setup is abnormal: there's a cronned rsync between the primary and secondary, rather than mounting it via NFS like a sensible MediaWiki setup would be, 'cos Trent couldn't get the sensible setup to behave. Actually I don't know for certain that's the reason, nor the precise mechanism of gadget failure (or I'd fix it), but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't some sort of per-server weirdness. Our server is a pile of gaffer tape, yes it is - David Gerard (talk) 14:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Trying ot get WikiEd to work

Im trying to get WikiEd to work on my work computer, but it isnt working, at least i got smileys to work Banana.gif Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Change logo via css

How do I edit my css file for this wiki, so I see a different site logo?--Arisboch (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Reporting an Error

I drafted an edit on the talk page about Pat Condell including links to support my positions.

When I tried to save the changes to the page, I got this message: "If you believe your edit was constructive, please report this error. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Conspiracy links spam" They were just links to his videos as evidence. Why is this happening?

Hmmm. Can you post them without the http:// on the front? If not, please email me the edit (dgerard@gmail.com) and I'll see if I can make it. We did have a filter on at one stage for a particularly video-spammy IP - it could be that you're not autoconfirmed as yet - David Gerard (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Alright. They're actually all https:// though.




www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbmeQtGMkUU TofuTyphoon (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

test edit -
- David Gerard (talk) 11:56, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I can add them, so it'll be that you're super-new. Edit around a bit, wait a few days and you'll get past that filter - David Gerard (talk) 11:57, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah, alright. =) TofuTyphoon (talk) 21:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Serving old page revs

Time was, if I knew a page had been modified, and viewing it did not reflect the recent change, a single refresh (aka F5) would bring up the latest version. Now I can go to a page and see an outdated rev, even after repeated F5's or equivalent mouse clicks. Viewing the most recent diff shows the latest rev, and that seems reliable, for the moment.

Previous explanations have included the word Apache. Any ideas? SmartFeller (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Click "edit", don't edit, then click "save". FuzzyCatPotato™ (talk/stalk) 14:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Workarounds are nice. What would be nicer would be that any random visitor could see the latest state of any page, without having to futz around with RW's obscure little ways. The apache F5 thing has been known for a while, and seems to be intractable enough that it hasn't been fixed yet, not even by the best minds of our generation. Ah well... SmartFeller (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. This would normally mean the cache wasn't being invalidated. I think MediaWiki should be Squid-aware, and send a purge request to the Squids when a page was edited ... I'll see if all is in order there - David Gerard (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Oops, squids. That's a better mind than mine. Haven't tried Fuzzy's suggestion yet. Come to think of it, next time I see this thing happen, I want to click the top rev in the fossil record. Plausible as another workaround? idk SmartFeller (talk) 20:36, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
We have a saying at work, "there's always another cache." (We have another one, "it's probably something stupid.") Instead of F5, try control-F5 or indeed explicitly flushing your browser cache. Are you perchance behind a work proxy or similar? - David Gerard (talk) 00:47, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Home router from cable modem, nothing fancy that I'm aware of. It figures, now that I mentioned it, it hasn't shown itself. Then again, I haven't been riding herd on recent changes as much as I might. SmartFeller (talk) 01:14, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Lately Ctrl-F5 has done the trick in the small sample of times I suspected I was seeing a stale page. SmartFeller (talk) 02:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Can't create my userpage

I'm trying to create my userpage so that I can give it a couple paragraphs of a description, just as a work-in-progress so that I can go back and finish it later. When I try to create it, the edits keep getting blocked as "userpage spam." Is there anything I can do to remedy this? Make the page longer, perhaps? Zennistrad (talk) 02:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Your account is probably too young for the number of links you're posting. Post the links here, without www or http:// and I can add them to your userpage as needed. ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 03:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Sig stuffs

But my signature is always substituted rather than transcluded. If you set {{subst:nosubst|User:LlamaPastor31/sig}} then it just shows that text. Help please? LlamaPastor31 Don't bother with religious nonsense 23:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I think the problem is that RationalWiki doesn't have the {{nosubst}} function available. (talk) 23:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Saloon Bar archiving

The Saloon Bar is currently pretty huge with quite a lot of threads that haven't been touched in a week or two. Pibot should be archiving anything older than 3 days and seems to still be archiving other pages. Zoobot last archived the SB on 4 June. Is neither of them now checking the SB properly? WėąṣėḷőįďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:17, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Would it be a good idea to import WP's "Dubious" template?

Hi all, I was thinking whether it would be a good idea to import Wikipedia's Template:Dubious[wp] for use on RW and if there are anyone with the wiki-foo skills necessary to do this? I think the advantage of [dubious] over [citation needed] is that the former can be linked directly to a talk page section, giving more scope for explanations than just asking for sources. ScepticWombat (talk) 06:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

It's a ParserFunctions template not a Lua one, so should work here - David Gerard (talk) 07:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
As you've probably guessed, I don't even have an entry level belt in wiki-foo, so all I know is that I can't simply write {{Dubious}} (as you've already seen) to get the stuff I'd get at WP, let alone the |s that allows for stuff like "reason=" or linking to a talk section.
Do I have to preface it with something to make it work on RW or am I messing the syntax up in some way? I've already tried several versions, from the simplest version to various extensions with |s and none seem to yield results à la WP. ScepticWombat (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The Wikipedia version seems to make use of a bunch of complicated templates. It's probably easier to get the template you want by copying the local {{Fact}} template and changing the text a bit. (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Everyone's favorite talentless hack has made a cheap knockoff; is it kind of as desired? WalkerWalkerWalker 13:55, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Line breaks in Fun:A day in the life of Barack HUSSEIN Obama

Could someone give an clue, how to suppress the line breaking in the whole first column with something else then with the use of "&nbsp;"? The formatting is to much to breaking after editing as it is now. --Arisboch (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I specified a width instead. (talk) 12:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Thx (And again, I lack any kind of imagination. Shit)!--Arisboch (talk) 12:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] New open proxy block, please alert to problems

Just added all.s5h.net to the proxy list. If this suddenly gives you access/editing problems, please email me at dgerard@gmail.com - David Gerard (talk) 07:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Downtime Fri 03 Jul 2015, ~12:30-13:30 UTC

apache2 went nuts in some way I can't fathom and hammered the shit outa MySQL on apache1. No idea what's up, but I disabled apache on apache2 on the assumption that flying on one engine beats crashing on two. Investigation underway - David Gerard (talk) 13:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Update: It was this. All is well again. We also have 16GB now and mysqld wasn't using it, so I gave mysqld 8GB and memcached 1GB - David Gerard (talk) 14:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Capturebot2

I don't run this and have no transparency on it. Who the hell does? It needs restarting - David Gerard (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] MediaWiki update?

Special:Version still says 1.19.12.--AndYourFoesShallRejoice... (talk) 15:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Unable to reset password

This is Smerdis of Tlön. I've been changing passwords recently because I think one of my accounts has been hacked. At any rate, earlier today I changed passwords here and was unable to login. I requested a new password, and changed it, and was able to log in for a while. Changing the password does not seem to stick, though, and I have had to request temporary codes by email at least twice.

Is there a way to make sure it takes this time? - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 03:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Pray? FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 04:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I am logged out again, and my newest password verified by the logon procedure still does not work. I can log on for a short time after requesting a new password code, but it never takes. - (talk) 04:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Clearly the server is telling you to get a new account.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
FWIW, this is continuing to happen. I was able to log in earlier with the new password, but this afternoon I had to go through the rigmarole of resetting it once more. I also changed the email address to which the notices should be sent. That, too, did not take. Should I just create a new account or what? - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 19:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
This is basically shit that shouldn't happen. Are the RW cookies present? You should see several cookies from rationalwiki.org - what are they? - David Gerard (talk) 19:50, 27 July 2
I have a variety of RW cookies, including rw_UserID, rw_UserName, rw_Token, and rw_Session. Right now, it has kept me logged in, though I'm not sure exactly when I last shut down the browser (Pale Moon). Again, I tried to also update my email address, and it sent one of the new password requests to the new email; today it's back to the old one. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 21:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
That's ... bizarre - it's sending to two different email addresses? (That list of cookies looks about right. If you suddenly get logged out again, check for those, and think about what might be clearing them.) - David Gerard (talk) 11:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Monobook button issues

It's happened before, but I don't remember what the solution was or where it was said, but on a number of pages monobook's top row buttons aren't clickable. IIrc, it was fixed by putting something in one of my coding that put a pad layer. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 15:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, found it when I remembered I can still restore my old script pages atleast --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 15:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
How do I solve that problem, e.g. I can't use the top buttons, when on the Saloon Bar page.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 22:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Something odd

Refs used before the {{Nazism}} template don't show up in the reflist at the bottom. See: Golden Dawn. Probably isn't limited to the Nazism template. (talk) 12:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Mmm 142 is right, been playing with it for ages but can't get it right. The template seems to force an "EndOfPage" or summat. Feel free to play here Scream!! (talk) 13:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] User Rights lag

So I noticed it a bit ago, and it seem to be affecting other people, that when user rights get messed with the change doesn't seem to stick for a bit. Any ideas you wizards?--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't be happening, since user rights are in the database, which is all one thing in one place - David Gerard (talk) 20:48, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, but it does happen, e.g. coupla minutes ago with Avengerofthe BoN, whose edits were marked by red exclamation marks despite him, according to the user rights management page, being a member of the group of autopatrolled users.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
hm, that sounds like MediaWiki's multiple layers of caching. "There's always another cache," as we say at work. There's basically nothing to be done about this particular lag. However, when the rights are changed in the database they're changed - David Gerard (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Why in the devil

Is my IP blocked by the (I think) proxy list blocker?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

You're evil proxy scum, clearly. What's the block ID? FuzzyDogPotato (talk/stalk) 23:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Your IP is probably part of a range used by one of our proxy vandals in the past. BicyclewheelModerator 15:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] New Messages

How does that work?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:06, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I think it's from when we used Liquid Threads (*spit*) on user talk pages. BicyclewheelModerator 14:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia images that are not uploaded at Commons

Whats the mark-up please to include an image that is hosted at en.wikipedia but not at Commons? Or should I just upload it directly here (RW help says not to do that for both Commons and Wikipedia hosted images)?--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 12:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

There isn't any. (We do it by mw:InstantCommons.) Just upload here. Be aware of licence issues, and that in general one needs a better reason than "I felt like it" for fair use to apply - David Gerard (talk) 13:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you David. A Fair Use tagged image at en.wikipedia would be OK here I am assuming?--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Only if you can justify its fair use here. You can't just stick stuff any old where. Is there a specific image you want to use? BicyclewheelModerator 14:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
This [1]. I have searched and there is no image available of the subject with a suitable licence. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 14:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Ugh, John Tyndall. Ok, a picture of someone counts as fair use in an article about him or (in this case) maybe his party, or possibly to illustrate the confederate flag/british racism connection. But that's it, I think. BicyclewheelModerator 15:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you and all understood.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Site SSL?


When will this site get SSL? I try not to log in via plain text any where. Deku-shrub (talk) 14:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Good point. Anyone with proper deets willing to shed some light on this? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Heard the SSL certificate costs a fuckton of money[citation needed].--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:54, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
EC) It's been brought up several times before If Memory Serves - something to do with the server configuration or similar has always been brought up. Don't understand such arcane matters myself. Scream!! (talk) 00:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
A great many times, if the archive does not lie.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 00:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Allright. Regardless, thanks for all the hasty replies! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:03, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
David appears not to understand that you can get a cheap $5 SSL cert and has been distracted by the $1200 EV racket. Deku-shrub (talk) 20:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Notification emails sent from rationalwiki@gmail.com?

My spam filter barely let this in! Why not send emails from e.g. noreply@rationalwiki.org and DKIM the rationalwiki.org domain? Far better emailing behavior. Deku-shrub (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

hmm, that's a problem ... - David Gerard (talk) 11:58, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Image problem again

Something is not kosher with the Ch24f2.jpg, it shows that picture, despite the fact, that it was uploaded about 25 minutes ago.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Pictures always take a long time to update on RW. (talk) 19:03, 31 August 42015 AQD (UTC)
this is the general MediaWiki "there's always another layer of caching" problem - David Gerard (talk) 11:59, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Auto-watch pages created?

I'm assuming this is a core media wiki option somewhere, but it would be more intuitive if pages created would automatically be watched by their creator. Deku-shrub (talk) 22:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Click on "preferences!, than on the tab "watchlist" and activate the options "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist" and "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist".--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 22:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] IP address

Is there any way for the sysops to check a user's IP address? Just a suspicion on my part. CorruptUser (talk) 01:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Nope, you godda be higher on the wiki-privileges-ladder than a mere sysop to do that, AFAIK, at the very least mod, if not tech.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 11:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Not even them. We don't and won't have checkuser. You would have to dredge through gigabytes of Squid logs, which means you would have to be Trent or me, and (1) it's a goddamn pain in the arse (2) it's an extremely unpopular idea at RW (3) it would take extreme circumstances for me to even bother (since it's considered a wrong thing to do unless there's a superlative reason it isn't) (4) not a happener. I think I have dredged through the Squid logs to solve technical problems with the assistance of the user I was checking (Nutty trying to edit via iPad IIRC) and I don't even recall if I dredged through them for that open proxy attack (system technical integrity counting as an extreme circumstance) - David Gerard (talk) 12:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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