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[edit] Herein goeth anything regarding the technicalities of the wiki

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[edit] Transitioning to MediaWiki 1.23

RW is currently running MediaWiki 1.19, and its end-of-life is May 2015. As it's April now, it's about time to start a transition to 1.23, the next long-term support version. At the very least, installing 23 to rationalbeta to see what breaks would give people time to spot and fix resign to any problems during the next month or so.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Emailed Trent about this (amongst many things) a few days ago, waiting on response - David Gerard (talk) 23:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Any progress with this? I haven't followed closely the wiki recently, so if there was a "come to Rationalbeta to break it" announcement I haven't seen it.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
0 so far. I'll set it up on my private box at some point - David Gerard (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced articles

Is there a way of finding unreferenced articles? Other than trawling through every page, that is. BicyclewheelModerator 09:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Category:Articles with unsourced statements? Alternatively, the auto-generated list of transclusions of Template:Fact, though the few cases when it's used ironically will make it contain more pages than the category.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
but that's only for disputed statements, not unreferenced articles as a whole. BicyclewheelModerator 10:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Well... I can see maybe using Special:Export in conjunction with Special:AllPages to export the files, build an xml crawler and look for articles lacking <ref>. But that would take a while. Alternatively, we could add a hidden category to <references />, but that might be a bad idea. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 13:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
what you'd need is a way of adding all articles tocategory:Unreferenced articles, and get <references><nowiki> and <nowiki>{{reflist}} to suppress such inclusion. And have it only in mainspace. Hmmm. BicyclewheelModerator 13:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
JW, why would you want to find articles w/o references? ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 14:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Because unsourced/unreffed articles are hotbeds for wrong information and also libel, as well as just looking unprofessional? --Miekal 15:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe, but articles with 0 references also tend to be stubs that nobody will ever read. Bicycle, it's probably more efficient to try and clear out the articles with unsourced statements before doing this. Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 16:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
both need to be done. We may as well make up the list now even if we're not gonna deal with it yet. Also an article with no sources is by definition filled with unsourced statements.--Miekal 16:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
True. Lemme try smth FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 17:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Not all unreferenced articles are stubs. I came here because of the Martyr article, which was uncited until I added a couple yesterday. BicyclewheelModerator 09:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I might be able to make a bot that will be able to get the articles in a given category and count the references in each one with relatively little effort.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

is there one on WP that you could, ahem, "borrow"? BicyclewheelModerator 19:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Surprisingly, no, and I've spent some time looking. I'll try to cobble something on top of pywikibot re-using parts of existing scripts. Sorry for the delay, it's holiday time here. Don't expect me to finish it before the egg-bashing is over.--ZooGuard (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Is Pibot back?

And who is in charge of it? (Look at Special:Contributions/Pibot - I dropped out for a few days and it appeared. It may have been active longer than that, with ZooBot not leaving any work for it.)--ZooGuard (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It's back, but for some reason it ignores some pages, which ZooBot archives correctly. Can whoever is running it please stand up?--ZooGuard (talk) 07:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to block it to see if anyone will notice.--ZooGuard (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Something useful we used to have but don't have anymore. Can we get it back some how?

We used to have something where we had an "edit" button for editing the lead section of the article itself. Would it be possible to get that back? It was most helpful on highly edited pages to avoid edit conflicts. Pretty please? I'll even make a David Gerard-style martini and post a picture of it if needed. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Add &section=0 to the end of the URL. Alternatively steal the "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" from Wikipedia.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
We do have it. It's a gadget. The gadgets only work 25% of the time. 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 02:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
The gadgets are flaky - David Gerard (talk) 15:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a gadgets tab – is the sofware update likely to result in an improvement in gadget performance? pablo 11:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, unlikely to make it worse ... - David Gerard (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Splendid news, thanks! pablo 15:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] invoke

Someone should fix things so my work around isn't necessary.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:42, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

1.23, Lua, Scribunto (good idea, yes) - David Gerard (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] An editing feature I would love to see.

Is there any way to do one of the following: 1. have the edit window have an option in which everything in between ref tags is replaced by a single-character place holder to facilitate reading and editing something like a 5 or 6 sentence pgph that has mulotiple citations on each sentence. Thus you could edit text and collapse the refs, making the reading/writing easier but also making one less likely to fuck up a ref inadvertently. If that's dreaming in technicolour, just a doodad that makes text in between reference tags show in red so it's easier for, say, a dyslexic editor, to not get lost in such a pgph. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 02:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Visual editor probably. Also Wikia has some weird markup up that color codes stuff between formatting tags.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:36, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Complicated references in wikitext is an utter shitshow, yes. How well does the Wikipedia visual editor work for this? (Their referencing makes ours look simple.) - David Gerard (talk) 09:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] RationalWiki offline version

I saw a link to the dump of RationalWiki, but I am not technical enough to understand the xml and stuff. Plus, the file is so large, which probably includes pages I don't need (like talk pages?). I wonder if it's possible (if there's anyone willing to) to help provide offline release of the articles like the Wikipedia does here? RationalWiki can make a release every few years and probably put it in the ZIM format so that it can be opened in Kiwix software. Perhaps, if we don't prefer to provide it the Wikipedia way, maybe we can do it this way like the Wikipedia for Schools does? I am dying to see this happen because I won't be using fast internet forever and that there'll be time when I am not connected at all. I like the articles very much and signed up to this wiki just so I can post this here. ElizaVanilla (talk) 01:19, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Basically, if someone who does have the technical knowledge wants to, they're free to do that - David Gerard (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
where would I find these dumps if I wanted a look ? thanks Hamster (talk) 03:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
RationalWiki:Content dumps - need to run these again - David Gerard (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
If RationalWiki would offer a Parsoid API (necessary for the VisualEditor for example). I can provide up2dates offline snapshots. Kelson@Kiwix
Emailed with Emmanuel from Kiwix - with the 1.23 upgrade, I'll try adding a Parsoid too and we'll see what we can do to put an offline RationalWiki on Kiwix :-D - David Gerard (talk) 18:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] PDF files bork the formatting of the automatically produced text

Because they don't have pixels. Anyone techy wanna fix it? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 20:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. Example? - David Gerard (talk) 23:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Here ya go. Look beneath the PDF icon where an image is normally displayed. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, it's trying to use ImageMagick to find the dimensions of a PDF and failing. That's MediaWiki being stupid. I have no plans to fix it, instead preferring to contemplate the 1.23 upgrade (which I did yesterday at work with disconcerting ease ... we'll see how it goes with a complicated and messy public wiki) - David Gerard (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] File:Colorful flag.png -> File:Gay flag.svg

Could someone with more knowledge of the wikimedia software and more privileges replace all uses of File:Colorful flag.png with File:Gay flag.svg, since the latter is the vector variant of the former image?--Arisboch (talk) 09:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I've replaced it on the two userbox templates which accounted for most its use. There are still a bunch of user pages where it appears in ad hoc userboxes, but it's as a small image so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not being a svg. WëäŝëïöïďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] I cant find gadgets

I havent seen gadgets at all, bar one time when i first became sysop, is something wrong? Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 12:51, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

It intermittently works. Nobody knows why. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 12:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Is there a way to get it to work ,or will i have to wait Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 13:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Because i really want to turn on gadgets. Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Are you a robosexual? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 19:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
#awkward Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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