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  1. Book Club (16:23, 23 Jun 2017)
  2. Long term goals (05:17, 20 Jun 2017)
  3. Should public libraries contain anti-scientific books? (23:26, 8 Jun 2017)
  4. No Stephen Lendmen? (11:23, 27 May 2017)
  5. Geocentrism (16:43, 25 May 2017)
  6. Can we get improved link previews, like wikipedia? (21:36, 24 May 2017)
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[edit] Make amends?

I know I annoyed you all, but can we go back to the good ol' times before the blocks and everything?



(aka Chubby Armadillo)— Unsigned, by: Poggle teh lessAR / talk / contribs

[edit] Black Founding Fathers

So today in class I heard a conspiracy theory I have not heard before. When the subject of Lincoln came up, another student seemed convinced that Lincoln, Washington, and the other early presidents were all black. This is why Washington D.C. is shaped like "Africa" apparently. Is anyone else familiar with this? Is there a name for it?— Unsigned, by: Alec / talk / contribs

On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. (You can indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line.) Thank you. Christopher (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
@Alec, it sounds like something (liberally) culled from Louis Farrakhan's speech at the Million Man March. nobs 17:49, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
My understanding was that DC was roughly rectangular. In what way is it supposed to look like Africa? - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 18:35, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
If you squint in the right way anything could probably be made to look like Africa. Christopher (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
The original District of Columbia is a ten-mile square surveyed from Jones Point. Both Maryland and Virginia donated land to it. In 1848, Virginia asked for its land back, because it was not being well-used and supported a shanty town with gambling and prostitution. So the boundary became the Potomac River that bends to the left, much like the western coast of Africa. This is not by design. Hclodge (talk) 02:05, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
While not exactly the same thing, this book covers similar ground: The Five Negro Presidents: According to what White People Said They Were by J. A. Rogers (1965) Helga M. Rogers. ISBN 0960229485. The book has been fairly popular in the African American community since the time it was first published through today (Amazon rank is around 38,000 — pretty good for a book first published in 1965). It sort of carries the one-drop rule to the absolute extreme — any rumor of African ancestry is enough evidence for being black. I don't think anyone before Lincoln was included among the 5 but Lincoln and Warren Harding were among them. Bongolian (talk) 02:43, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
In the case of the Rogers book (Rogers was Afro-Caribbean, but his sources were the writings of white people), this could also be a case of psychological projection, since according to one analysis, "3.5 percent of self-described white Americans have 1 percent or more African ancestry."[1] The highest concentrations of these "one-drop" whites are in South Carolina and Louisiana, followed by other parts of the South. Bongolian (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
I was of the understanding that the Washington DC map was planned around representations of Masonic symbols as an in-joke. (talk) 09:51, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Server shuffle at 1400 UTC

Today at 1400 UTC, we will be shuffling servers. In more detail:

With the kind volunteer assistance of Tim Starling (from Wikimedia), we're working on shuffling the RationalWiki servers around and upgrading at last.

First thing in the programme: around 1400 UTC today (3pm BST, 10am EDT, 7am PDT), David is about to repoint DNS at apache1, and switch off and delete the Squids and the load balancer. Users should notice no effect, but we'll be keeping watch.

Next up: set up new servers with up-to-date software, SSL termination at last ...

You should see no immediate effect. FuzzyCatPotato of the Moist Mad axe-murderers (talk/stalk) 13:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

It gradually took effect from 1400 to about 1450, 'cos it turns out a TTL of 300 might as well be 3600 when you figure in mobile provider proxies. Anyway, nobody saw anything got it? - David Gerard (talk) 17:23, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Good work, David & Tim on the smooth transition! Bongolian (talk) 22:02, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
I notice that autocomplete is no longer working in the search box. Is this due to the update? Can it be fixed? Bongolian (talk) 01:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Also, I notice that this link Special:SpecialPages now gives a blank page. Is this related to the transition? Bongolian (talk) 06:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
And HotCat doesn't work, it just says "500 internal server error". Christopher (talk) 06:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I think those things were my fault, and unrelated to the server switch, see RationalWiki:Technical support. -- Tim Starling (talk) 01:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Opioid Epidemic

I know drug addiction is a terrible thing and it destroys lives but here is what Trump probably thinks-

Trump: The Opioid crisis is out of control, we need to do something. Ideas?

Psychiatrist: I suggest having government sponsored rehab clinics and end unnecessary imprisonment.

Trump: No, No. Reduce access to medical services and increase prison times. Plus have SWAT team patrols detain people on the streets.

Psychiatrist: That is a horrible idea. What good would it do increasing the use of ineffective methods? People need healthcare!

Trump: You are fired

(Months later)

Trump: What do we do about the drug crisis

Quack Doctor: I like the idea of increasing prison sentences and dehumanizing people for underlying mental health issues.

Trump: I will put that into action.

Does this seem accurate to what Trump would do?--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 01:28, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Trump in a nutshell DinoKiller65 (talk) 02:25, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
The opioid crisis is inextricably linked up with the Veterans Administration mess and Big Pharma lobbying. If the past is any guide, the 'crisis' will be met with more money for both, even with Republicans in control. nobs 08:32, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Why can't the US just have a drug programme like Portugal's.. I have been known to impulse buy books 14:15, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Probably that the government does not give a rats ass? Government officials have good money and healthcare, why would they care about the common person?--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
The globalists want everybody doped up (a compliant and unaware citizenry); then they'll keep voting for whoever gives them best dope deal with less legal hassles. And it's jobs for social workers, case managers, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, pharmaceutical researchers, public defenders, etc. These are professional high paying positions. Dope is an industry. We've made a huge investment to take the profits away from the Taliban, Mexican drug cartels, the KGB, Chinese intelligence service etc. nobs 22:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
While possible for research to be slowed down by greed, in the long run not developing cures for conditions or addictions does not help CEO's in the long run. If people die from a disease and there are only limited treatments (example- many cancers) then the costumer base shrinks. Even if someone has treatments for a deadly disease, many times treatments stop working. What good would it do CEO's if their base has largely dead. If you cure disease then people are alive longer for new disease to strike. Keep the population alive then new drugs get developed which makes money. Again, keep people on a failing treatment then people turn to Naturopaths/Homeopaths/Chiropractors. The ones who will be making money are alternative medicine practitioners. The Pharmaceutical companies lose out.--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 02:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
the current opioid epidemic in the us is largely down to over prescribing, which i understand to be a result of 'big pharma' lobbying, as nobs points out, and incentives to drs to prescribe opioids. effective rehab or portugeuse style drug lawsa do nothing to combat this and just provide a sticking plaster while the realm issues are not addressed. AMassiveGay (talk) 17:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Woo/Pseudoscience for fantasy villain

I'd to make a low-tier villain loosely themed on some kinda woo/pseudoscience/conspiracy theorists in the real world for a low-level part of a D&D campaign. Just for a bit of making art from experience. I'd like to solicit suggestions.

Things I've considered for plots:

  • A homeopath-like selling fake potions super-cheap that don't work that should save the PCs from a minor threat(like fire resistance potions for a fire elemental or something), and then the alchemists guild closes ranks to protect them when the PCs come for answers because they used "legitimate ancient elven secrets"
  • A tavern bard who alleges that lizardfolk with shapechange spells have taken control of all the banks in the town as a quest hook, he even cites how he saw their lizard eyes once and then it turns out that, no, they're just regular bankers, and the PCs get arrested for murdering/breaking and entering/whatever.
  • I desperately want some way that some farmers could see a giant glowing thing in the sky at night come and mutilate their cattle, only for it to turn out to be coyotes+drunkeness, but I can't figure out a way to make believing the crazy person to cause any interesting encounters for the PCs.

Any other ideas? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I am into writing myself so here is an idea- a villain who used to a Chiropractor, attempts to create pandemics but ends up failing.--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 21:40, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
How about physiognomy/phrenology, I'm thinking of Capt. Findthee Swing from Nightwatch (Pratchett).
"He measured people. He used calipers and a steel ruler. And he quietly wrote down the measurements, and did some sums, such as dividing the length of the nose by the circumference of the head and multiplying it by the width of the space between the eyes. And from such figures he could, infallibly, tell that you were devious, untrustworthy, and congenitally criminal. After you spent the next twenty minutes in the company of his staff and their less sophisticated tools, he would, amazingly, be proven right."
Preferably in a campaign without objective Detect/Know Alignment. Daev (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
(Phone posting), I like the mockery, but it definitely needs to do more than that and drive a real conflict. Merely being malevolent isn't enough, they need to do something to cause the PC's to fight or oppose someone. (talk) 22:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I love this, and totally might steal the idea for a campaign sometime. For the UFO light-in-the-sky thing, maybe have the light be a torch or fire or something reflected off clouds, from a wholly unrelated and innocent gathering that, especially to drunk angry people, could be construed as a ritualistic summoning of aliens demons or whatever. -- Onychoprion (talk) 22:19, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Nice ideas. You may consider someone claiming to have contacted with outsiders (devas or whatever) and having had different visions about events that will happen in the future (say a great red wyrm, or better the Torrasque, attacking and destroying the kingdom, an undead invasion... there're many options, especially on fluffy settings as "Forgotten Realms" and the like), and thanks to both high charisma and diplomacy/bluff (plus "leadership, assuming there's that ability in D&D; I've not played in quite a while) attracting a lot of people, just to be everything either the result of a very bad trip or a prank caused by illusory magic (again I don't remember if such as thing exists in D&D), of course everything geared to benefit him/her (cult leader, etc. Somewhat hard since this is D&D, where gods are real and give spells to their followers). As for the UFO thing, I rather think they could blame a dragon and if they searched long enough they could even find a real dragon, but a harmless metallic (ie: non evil) wyrmling totally unrelated to that mess and not the big, chromatic, one who was claimed to have been spotted. --Panzerfaust (talk) 23:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Also, you could totally do a self-fulfilling prophecy bit, like in Avatar: The Last Airbender. "She told me I'd meet my true love in these shoes." "And how often do you wear those shoes?" "Every day, now!" "Then of course it's going to come true!" -- Onychoprion (talk) 23:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, the dragon thing has potential. Maybe have a group of dedicated dragon-followers who are obsessed with finding the dragon that's been in the area. And they point them to a local garrison who is covering up the dragon's presence. In reality they're just secretive because they don't want neighboring nations to know they're developing some siege towers. Anyone here know any famous UFO kook names that can be acquired and fantasified for the story? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
How could you go past Erich von Däniken for such a purpose? Daev (talk) 16:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Excellent, just erich to elrich and now it's fantasy. This has been a very fruitful conversation. Thanks, everyone! ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:12, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Ok, I just left this wiki for a bit and what???

I usually spread my time, patrolling edits. When i left this wiki for a bit... There was so so so much red !!!! everywhere.

I went to the Recent changes link and hid all the patrolled edits and it was a mess. I quickly patrolled a bunch of links; maybe sane edits? I rushed a bit with mass "mark as patrol". There are much less red !!! everywhere now.

Also there's this BoN editing the Eugene M. McCarthy page into saying the hypothesis that Humans evolved from a pig-monkey hybrid is reasonable now. I don't know whether to revert the edits or not as I do not have a degree in evolution.

Also when you rollback an red !!! edit, please mark it as patrolled as it doesn't clog up the the unpatrolled list.

"If you come across a change that is obviously wrong or plain vandalism, check if this is fixed later in the history. If that is the case, you can mark the bad change as patrolled to avoid cluttering up the patrol list with edits that are fixed."

ClickerClock (talk) 07:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I wondered about those edits myself. I've been bold and rolled their edits back, seeing as the purported mispresentations cited sources. Hertzy (talk) 08:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I have never heard anyone believing that humans evolved from pig-monkey hybrids ever. ClickerClock (talk) 08:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
You have now.. I'll add that particular link as a reference. Hertzy (talk) 08:30, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
When you rollback an edit it automatically patrolls it, if you use undo it doesn't for some reason. Christopher (talk) 16:01, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I've seen that pig-monkey thing before. Personally I'm a follower of the antelope-crocodile hybrid hypothesis. --Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 20:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Overflow (?)

I don't know how it's called when you have a number in, say, binary and when attempting to increase it the number loops back to -1 instead. Could that -or a sort of it- fit well for those who early on championed the defense of an idea, but later for reasons only known to the gods they change and defend the opposite idea, attacking with passion their early positions (say the equivalent of Ray Comfort becoming atheist and attacking religion)?

As an aside, if a stopped clock is someone who has a moment of lucidity what would be the equivalent of a working clock, but that as it marks the incorrect hour will always be wrong? --Panzerfaust (talk) 13:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Integer or Binary Overflow is what you are describing. Stack Overflow is something else. Perhaps Ideological Overflow for the analogous concept?
On your aside; horologically speaking a timepiece which is running neither fast or slow but is poorly or incorrectly calibrated (eg set to the wrong timezone or inverted daylight savings) is said to be maladjusted. Fitting as that may be, the more general usage would make that overly loaded.
Daev (talk) 17:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
The first is a category that I suggest for people who changed that way (ie: Durao Barroso, the former president of the European Comission, who was said to have been a maoist, just to support once at the EC austerity (just ask Greece and others), and now the bastard is working at Goldman Sachs). The latter another, for people who is seemingly unable to tell something right, just as a badly adjusted clock --Panzerfaust (talk) 21:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Could I get a doublecheck that I did this right?

I'd appreciate if a more experienced wikizen double checked that I included the proper details in my attribution of http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Andrew_wakefield_CC3.jpg I haven't had to do one of those before and I've been awake for too many hours to be certain that I didn't miss anything. Ta Daev (talk) 13:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Hertzy (talk) 20:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Violence Against the Political Right?

I've read countless angry tirades about how violent and hateful the left is against the right, especially after the congressional baseball shootings, and they really irk me, as the right seems to base its entire bottom line off of "hate", but that's besides the point. My real question is if we have any data on the alignments of the perpetrators of these tragic events. On a side note, (I thought of this because of a previous post by ikanreed,) if the "left" really is becoming more spiteful and abrasive towards the "right", do you think it's a result of "intolerance of intolerance"? megalodon (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

no its the result of polarisation. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
It's a result of a lot of things. Polarization is a big one. But there's also the fact that the current conservative government of the US is actually a bit threatening to some people's lives. I mean, my tendentious nature would argue it always is, but now it feels more dangerous with the threat of losing healthcare, or being deported from the only country you've ever known your whole life. And so people are verbally and tribally responding to that. And that does indeed create the "culture of violence" that is talked about. You can tell me I'm crazy, but there's this sense of walking along the edge of a knife right now, where things could go real bad real fast. And no one knows how to respond. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Far more terror incidents in the US are caused by either of right-wing Christians or right-wing Muslims than left-wing anything. Hate crimes are themselves political actions -- and they are overwhelmingly done by right-wing Christians. And this doesn't even touch upon the far-right-wing response to, eg, Orlando or Quebec: that the gays and Muslims deserved it.

Violence is genuinely rising among the left. But the right-wing's complaints of being warred upon are just another example of projection. The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 16:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

It'll get worse on the left. It almost has to the way things are progressing. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:12, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Trump has done nothing. Trump had no record to run on. And in six months has not filled one-third of the positions he needs to fill to govern. But the rhetoric and actions of his opponents has only strengthened what was tepid support among many Republicans and Democrats. This whole outraged reaction to Trump, who having done nothing is innocent of all the lies aimed at him, has backfired. nobs 19:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
One thing I think people should recognize more (not necessarily people here) is that just because the victim of a violent act was against "the right" doesn't mean the perpetrator was a member of "the left". I doubt anybody'd call the Trump Administration "left-wing" simply because they're attacking the right-wing extremism that is ISIS. -- Onychoprion (talk) 16:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
im not sure its accurate to depict isis as right wing or left wing. AMassiveGay (talk) 16:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Authoritarian fundamentalist conservative religious movement trying to establish a theocratic state? You I get that it could be confused with super-extreme-left in some ways, ISIS didn't approach that point through left-wing ideology. -- Onychoprion (talk) 16:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
ISIS is absolutely right-wing, but it's not neo-conservative, it doesn't like the "Freedom, woo!" identity associated with American conservatism. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:09, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
im not going to argue the point, but im not convinced such labels are particularly relevant or particularly useful in understanding such groups. AMassiveGay (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Understanding reaction and authoritarianism's universal appeal, when presented as a localized form that celebrates an idealized past, and ignores modern ethics to return to it is pretty useful to me. It's a current that runs through every culture on earth. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
So you got idiots out screaming "Impeach Trump," knowing of course only Republican Congress can impeach Trump. Than you got the same idiots (not mentally deranged or off their meds, but active volunteers in left-wing causes) out trying to kill Republican Congressmen you need to impeach Trump. Then you wonder why no one takes leftist bullshit seriously. nobsAloha Snackbar 19:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
[citation needed] Christopher (talk) 19:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Imma level with you, nobs, this is a problem that could easily be solved with enough dead republicans. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
You've lost your faith in democracy? you really believe in one-party totalitarianism now? nobsAloha Snackbar 06:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
ikanreed, your comment was threatening from a Trump supporter's perceptive.
RobSmith, listen did you come here willing to change your viewpoint? Or did you come here just to argue? If it's the later than ▮▮▮▮▮▮. The ads in your facebook are known purposely manipulate anger to feed misinformation. I'm going to ask you a series of questions. Facebook has something called dark posts; posts that appear only to the user demographic targeted. Facebook's dark posts showed you Pro Trump ads. You liked the ad; maybe even shared it. Than it showed you more dark posts relating to that ad you liked. Did you even read the whole article you liked? Or did you, like many people on Facebook just read the title of the article? Did you even fact check the article? Or "it makes sense to me because of my political views" happened and you didn't even bother. It showed you only the information that Facebook knows you enjoy. It hid away all the articles you don't like; who wants to hear a criticism about your star? Who likes a post about how someone you trust, someone you have faith in… let you down- let others down. That's how Facebook's algorithm works; it shows you the dark posts that you like. And people are let down. Trump promises that he will take care of everyone. He failed.
I didn’t want to be depressed. I don’t want to feel that he’s not doing what he said, so I just choose to not listen.
—Michele Velardi, a women who voted for Trump
He is more utterly incompetent than outright evil. It is a myth that Trump is innocent. His new healthcare bill will take way healthcare from millions. Even Breitbart thinks the replacement bill is trash.
It is a myth that Trump is good for all of America. He may be good for you. Not for all Americans.
Before you reply, RobSmith take a couple of deep breaths. Tip: delay posting your response. Look at your typed response and save it. Go do something fun for a hour. Read over you reply and tweak it.
I'm sorry for breaking your heart. ClickerClock (talk) 08:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── (A) I don't use FB as an information source, at all. I have my own well developed, highly qualified sources. (B) Thanks for the low-down on how FB works, much as I suspected. (C) I come here to get a pulse on popular sentiment in the country and the world from people who are, generally, well read and informed. (D) Your tirade against Trump has little to do with the Republican party. (E) Each member of Congress represents about 750,000 individuals. Shooting or killing one is an assault on the fundemental democratic rights of 750,000 people. Does anyone here seriously believe, that killing an elected member of one party, which would result in a vacancy and special election, would generate sympathy for the opposition party? (F) Finally, under the American system, the House of Representatives forms impeachment charges. The House is controlled by Republicans. It is no secret the GOP establishment has had differences with Trump in the past. If non-Republicans were even remotely serious about impeachment, or even remotely familiar with issues and how the American system works, it would make proper sense to court Republicans and show them respect, not violate their basic rights and try to kill them. The left can continue on the course it has set for itself, but no one views it as healthy, in any sense. All it has done has drawn Republicans closer together. nobsAloha Snackbar 09:20, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

This whole outraged reaction to Trump, who having done nothing is innocent of all the lies aimed at him, has backfired.
I was focusing on this. I was focusing on that. Innocent? Nope. The Republican party were not addressed as I was not focusing on them. Trump is not innocent.
Death threats are wrong. The mainsteam liberal media and organisations are consistently negative, negative, negative, against violent leftist action. Of course the far left don't read those sites, they stick to (insert-long-explanation-here).It is worrying that there is now a video game about punching Trump in the face.
And democrats; not counting the far-left; are courting Republicans.
They are making tools to help contact Republicans. One. Second tool. Another tool on helping call elected officials. Weekly reminders to call members of Congress. Another tool. I'm actually sick of listing all the tools.
Comedians like Sam Bee are encouraging viewers to call your Republican senator. There are numerous social media posts reminding friends of call your Republican senator. It's sad that interest in calling your senators has sadly dropped. Call your senator, Americans! Call them!
I have my own well developed, highly qualified sources.
Name a couple of media sites you browse and check them against this. I read: vox: factual + left, wired: factual + left, cracked: satire, theconversation : factual + least biased. What kind of factual and right-wing sources say that "Trump, who having done nothing is innocent of all the lies aimed at him"? Not Reason, Wall Street Journal, nor National Review. ClickerClock (talk) 10:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
By innocent, I'm referring to accusations of anti-black racism and homophobia, as well as no baggage as a career politician. While Trump does represent a threat to the coalition built on identity politics of the Democratic party, accusations of anti-Black racism or homophobia against Donald Trump are completely baseless. (The retort obviously will be, "But his followers bla bla bla..." That is s different subject for a different day. Trump is innocent, and accusations of homophobia and racism, and coordinated attacks against him, are lies.)

Here's some of the sources I use:

  • Lawfare blog
  • Steven Aftergood Secrecy News
  • D Brief
  • Palmer Report
  • Politico Playbook briefing
  • Daily Signal
  • McClatchy
  • Jamestown Foundation Eurasia Report
  • Syria Comment
  • Rich Gallen Mullings
  • Dick Morris Lunch briefing (YouTube)

These are mostly daily or several times a week and are very good by qualified experts in their areas. I have other less frequent sources, too. nobsAloha Snackbar 15:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

The fact that so many people believe well-established points with executive orders, taped speeches, and a host of basically irrefutable evidence is still called lies is why people killing republicans is becoming inevitable. You idiots are making a world where it's your ideology versus reality, and the only way reality can force its way in is through actually directly affecting you. And that means violence. You don't recognize it, nobs, but you're doing far more to facilitate this violence than anyone on the left. And to the person that felt threatened by me suggesting enough dead republicans would fix problems: boo hoo. I don't care if you feel threatened by snarky comments. Your politics may very well kill my family. I don't give two fucks about your reading too much into comment hurts your baby feelings, you entitled piece of shit. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • You idiots are making a world where it's your ideology versus reality, and the only way reality can force its way in is through actually directly affecting you.
This is the identical charge, almost word for word, the GOP and people on the right leveled at Obamunists from 2009 onwards. The fact your dreams and fantasies, that America was now perpetually a 'center-left' nation were baseless is out in the open. Sure, there were hotheads with irresponsible rhetoric using disguised language such as "Second Amendment solutions", but they were rebuked and forced to clarify. No sane activist, to the best I recollect, carried a gun to an event and tried killing an elected official, or anybody else for that matter, on behalf of an ideological cause the activist dedicated their life too. Facts are, there is no difference in the psychological make up of Hodgkinson (the baseball game shooter), a dedicated 99%er, Sanders supporter, and open avowed socialist, and an ISIS Shahid willing to sacrifice himself for a fucked up cause. We got a name now for dangerous leftwing terrorists, Hodgkies. No other issue matters. We can talk about how they got that way, but first we must bring them to heel. nobsAloha Snackbar 15:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Nobs, you don't have to accept your role in causing that person to decide violence was the only answer available to them. But, I'm being genuinely honest when I say that what you do promotes more violence among ideologically charged people than anything center-left politicians like Sanders says. You made this world. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:22, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm looking at North Korea now. This now is the millennial generation's problem. Kim Jong-un will give up his nuke when you pry it from his cold dead fingers. Forget a peaceful, negotiated solution after Hillary Rodham Clnton and Barack Obama stuck a bayonet up Gaddafi's ass cause he was stupid enough to believe the US Government's promises. I did not create this reality. I did everything in my power to avoid it. Now the reality is your problem. nobsAloha Snackbar 17:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Ikanreed: Domestic political violence is rising.

Nobs: Foreign policy is scary!

Is this why we had the rob-rail? Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 17:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

FuzzyCatPotato: I'm tired of this. He keeps blaming for left for violence. Right-wing sites that are factual too blame the left wing for violence and defend Trump from being called a bigot. Of course there are no statistics proving that the left is responsible for Trump and violence. It's all philosophy.
Look at this philosophy professor go!!!There is evidence that Trump's supporters are mainly racist. Another study. Another another study!
Here's an article written by Professor of Political Science Funny? That? Oh and the only thing saying Trump supporters aren't racist is a a survey with "sample sizes of less than 30 respondents." At least he has the credentials hey?
The closest thing to support the hypothesis that the left is provoking violence is the Ferguson effect. That's all these right-wingers have.
  • Lawfare blog - left-wing, factual
  • Steven Aftergood Secrecy News - ???
  • D Brief - Least biased, factual
  • Palmer Report - left-wing, non-factual
  • Politico Playbook briefing - left-wing, factual
  • Daily Signal - right-wing, non-factual
  • McClatchy - least biased, factual
  • Jamestown Foundation Eurasia Report - right-wing, factual
  • Syria Comment - ???
  • Rich Gallen Mullings - ???
  • Dick Morris Lunch briefing (YouTube) - ???
I meant regularly browsed, not a snippet of all sources you use. I don't put HuffingPost on my list of main sources as I barley look at the site! I should have clarified; sorry. I could easily put more least biased and right wing sites on my list but that would be cherry picking to make myself look good as I don't regularly browse those sites. Just because I used those sites as sources doesn't mean it is a site I regularly browse.
This is literally what you said:
This whole outraged reaction to Trump, who having done nothing is innocent of all the lies aimed at him, has backfired.
You admit to exaggerating now? ClickerClock (talk) 06:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
You did exactly as I predicted: you attacked Trump supporters using polls or focus groups or what ever. Show me one instance in word or action of something Trump said or did that was anti-Black, or anti-gay? Yet those are the two largest organized factions in the DNC mobilized to call Donald Trump anti-Black and anti-gay. This has absolutely nothing to do with racism or homophobia, and this itself is the issue right now destroying the Democratic party.
This just in: statistics and studies aren't evidence now. It's so easy to ignore such ugly examples of homophobia and racism from your own base. More examples. ClickerClock (talk) 07:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Most sensible people see it for what it is: No different than Hillary Clinton blaming James Comey and Vladimir Putin for her own failings. A failure to accept personal responsibility - the defining difference between Democrat voters and Republican voters liberal and conservatives in America. Identity politics is based on victimhood, and needs an oppressor. Americans are tired of these phoney divisions and playing this game. nobsAloha Snackbar 22:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Assange evidently agrees with me. I for one believe in a strong Democratic party and a two-party system. Where are the elements on the left that will speak up for democracy, against the single-party totalitarian strain that now controls the DNC? nobsAloha Snackbar 00:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Argument from authority is a logical fallacy. "single-party totalitarian strain" You have repeatedly used the suffering of millions under communism as your political prawn. DNC? Totalitarian? You have never suffered under totalitarian in your life. I know what actual totalitarian is. Don't you never use my suffering as your political football against the left again. Actual totalitarian and communism forced my family to flee. Actual totalitarian. The DNC? Totalitarians? That's not totalitarians. On the behalf everyone who actually suffered under communism; heist right now. Stating a bunch of random left wing things as "totalitarian" erases the real actual suffering bought on by communism. It's laughable. It makes communism a joke. It erases victims of communism. You taking away focus on real totalitarian and real communism and moving it onto so-called real evils by communism: democrats and DNC. That's not communism. That's not totalitarian. Stop reducing my suffering to a bunch of angry ranting about democrats. ClickerClock (talk) 07:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright and Critique

So, I tried to look into copyright law, and am still unclear how far fair use goes. This is specifically in relation to my current draft work of In the Beginning. I'm doing a claim/response format, like we do with 101 Evidences. The whole book is already fee online, and we're certainly not making money off of it, and it is for critiquing purposes rather than blatant ripoff. Does that excuse copy-pasting what might amount to the entire book, or should I try to paraphrase (and we can then be accused of quote-mining)? Thanks! -- Onychoprion (talk) 21:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Fair use does not have a very strict legal definition because it is contextual. Fair use, when it has been clearly defined at all, has generally been done through court cases rather than by legislation. Generally, you can reasonably claim fair use if you quote (with attribution) a few paragraphs out of a modest-to-large sized book. You can't claim fair use by quoting a few paragraphs out of a 2-page letter. If you are using material for classroom instruction only, fair use is much broader, and generally includes copying complete journal articles for class use only. RW and others have claimed fair use for extensive quotations for the purpose of a side-by-side critique. Bongolian (talk) 23:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Fair use can most certainly include up to 100% of the original text, depending on context. I am not a lawyer, I just play the sort of person who attracts them on the internet, but a full RWing of 100% of a short text would generally constitute sufficient context I'd be personally happy to support it in many cases (YMMV of course) - David Gerard (talk) 14:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] I am writing a book (at least attempting to, can't seem to finish anything) and need some help

It is apocalyptic and Pagan in nature (with zombies) Here is an excerpt.

Several hours went by and Henry was still trapped in the hotdog truck, the dead broke the windows and the truck was on its side. Henry had to go to the bathroom so bad but he was not able to escape, Henry ended up peeing his pants from bladder desperation. That only made the zombies more aggressive. Henry found a single bullet in his jacket and he loaded it into the gun. At first Henry considered suicide, but he then figured he would not go down without a fight. Grabbing a cooking fork Henry stabbed several zombies, it did not stop them but it caused pain. These zombies felt pain and Henry used it to gain the upper hand.

Then there was a howl in the air, it was a Zduhac. The beast grabbed the truck and lifted it into the air. The Zduhac flew for seven miles before dropping the truck into a dirt mound. Henry suffered a broken left arm and five broken ribs but he climbed out. Henry felt a sharp pain in his leg and grasped, there was a piece of metal imbedded into his thigh and into the bone. The Zduhac actually laughed at Henry, despite the intense agony Henry pulled out the shard. Blood spewed out of the wound, Henry noticed that he was in a construction site filled with machines. The battle against the Zduhac was starting.

Another excerpt-

Official CDC Document

  • Written by Doctor Sharon Bott M.B, PhD

A sample of what is known as the Shadowcore Plague, I will note right now that it is a lethal virus of unknown origin. From police footage and personal recordings the SP is transmitted via bodily fluids. It is 99% fatal and its incubation period varies.

Biochemical Study

  • Initial analysis indicates that the virus releases a chemical blocking immune cells. This chemical has an unknown molecular structure and has an extremely dense energy structure. I don't know how to explain this. There is nothing more I can write about at this point.

Physiological Study

  • The SP has a lethal effect on skin tissues. The virus violently attacks the skin cells and many of them rot. The dead tissues get broken down into pure energy and get replaced with much more strange cells. As the disease progresses organs end up getting shutdown. Over all the virus rapidly changes human biological function. There is too many unknowns at this point to make any real hypothesis.

I have been trying to write stories for years and I have a goal to write a novel. Thoughts and suggestions to improve it?--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 03:34, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

As someone who wants to be an author but never writes it down. Try writing your stories is blurts, bits and pieces at a time. ClickerClock (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I'll make some changes to that paragraph and highlight those changes in bold.
Several hours went by and Henry was still trapped in the hotdog truck. The dead broke the windows and the truck fell onto its side. Henry had to go to the bathroom so bad but he was not able to escape; he ended up peeing his pants from bladder desperation. That only made the zombies more aggressive. He found a single bullet in his jacket and he loaded it into the gun. Just one round. At first he contemplated suicide, but he then figured he wouldn't go down without a fight. Grabbing a cooking fork, Henry stabbed several zombies, and did his best to stop them and it seemed to cause pain. The zombies felt pain and Henry used it to gain the upper hand, waiting for the right moment to use that single round he had left in the chamber. Then there was a howl in the air: it left fear in the hearts of those who heard it and could break any bond between friends. It was a Zduhac. The beast grabbed the truck and lifted it into the air, then flew for several miles before dropping the truck into a dirt mound. Henry could hear the bones of his arm breaking and cried at the pain in his ribs, then felt a sharp pain in his leg and gasped. All he could see was the blood, blood everywhere, blood on the floor, blood on the roof, blood on his pants and his clothes and his skin. There was a piece of metal embedded into his thigh and into the bone. The Zduhac actually laughed at Henry, but despite the intense agony Henry pulled out the shard. Blood continued to spew out of the wound, and he noticed that he was in a construction site filled with machines. The battle against the Zduhac was starting.
Obviously, you don't have to keep this revision, just use it for creative purposes. I would get someone to check over your grammar and spelling. Also, write more like a novel, and less like a medical report (i.e. 'Henry could hear the bones of his arm breaking and cried at the pain in his ribs, then felt a sharp pain in his leg' not 'Henry suffered a broken left arm and five broken ribs but he climbed out. Henry felt a sharp pain in his leg').

On the other excerpt: I'll do the same thing. Changes in bold.

Official CDC Document
Doctor Sharon Bott M.B, PhD
A sample of what is known as the Shadowcore Plague (hereafter referred to as the 'Plague') was taken from a member of the infected population. I will note right now that it is a lethal virus of unknown origin. Based on police footage and personal recordings and accounts, the Plague is transmitted via bodily fluids. We have seen 99% fatality among infected subjects and its incubation period seems to vary.

Biochemical Study

  • Initial analysis indicates that the virus releases a chemical blocking immune cells. This chemical has an unknown molecular structure and has an extremely dense energy structure. We currently have no way to explain this. There is nothing more we can write about at this point, as the research has turned nothing else up at this time.

Physiological Study

  • The Plague has a lethal effect on skin tissues. The virus violently attacks the skin cells and uses the infected cells to rapidly produce more virus cells. After a period of time, typically two hours, the cell members and the cell membrane are broken down into energy for the viruses, and the cell is replaced with another cell-like structure. As the disease progresses, it moves on to other tissues, notably the vital organs. The virus rapidly changes the biological function of the infected subject. There is too many unknowns at this point to make any real attempts at a cure.
A medical report needs to sound legit. Good words to use:
  • Statistics
  • Population
  • Sample
  • Statistical analysis
  • Z-score
  • Normal curve (note: when in a sentence, 'normal' must be capitalised for you to use it. "blah blah blah, filler filler filler, the Normal curve shows blah blah blah". Like that)
  • Distribution
  • Subject
  • Biology
  • Cell membrane
  • ATP (used for energy in the cell; google how it works)
  • Mitochondria
  • Hypertonic
  • Isotonic
  • Hypotonic
Basically, you want to make it sound like your guy knows what he's talking about. Koi "dammit Koi stop making such long sigs!" development 14:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Another possible route: go to a fanfic website for (book, film, TV series etc) you enjoy (or a wider platform). Read stories by different authors - they are about the same persons in the same context, but the fiction can be quite different: understand what you enjoy and why, and then develop your story accordingly. (If you can write some fanfic and get feedback you may get some useful pointers.)
Join one or several writers' groups (and accept that 'different people have different tastes).
Do not overload the readers with technical detail. Are there perhaps several different viruses - or does the incubation period depend in part upon what diseases/antibodies etc the victim already has. Could there be material in various viewpoints/styles (police report, medical report, Henry... see the novel Dracula for an example). (talk) 16:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
The Biology would be no problem, statistics on the other hand will be a problem- I barely got through high school algebra and geometry.--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
You don't have to use statistics at all. But, if you do decide to use some, those are some good words. I can explain them if you'd like. Vive Liberté 18:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't know much, but you can make the first part sound more "fresh" if you replace the amount of times you word the main character's actions as "Henry did x thing" (Alternatives would be like "He did x thing", "Doing x thing, Henry did y thing", or "With y attribute, he did x thing"). There's no real established human character other than Henry at this point, and the Zombies are referred to as a mass and not individuals, so unless that flying monster "Zduhac" has a gender, referring to Henry simply as "he/him/his" shouldn't be too confusing for the reader. megalodon (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
While it might be an exception because it breaks from the conventional tone of such things, I feel like transcluding a fictional document into a work of fiction runs afoul of "show don't tell". Only a reader who likes to engage with technical documents will feel engaged while reading that part of your book, even if it's only a half-page, and nicely formatted. All that means ignore literally everything I'm about to say if you have a good narrative reason to present it in this way
Something like
(protagonist) gave the document a second read-through, but she couldn't help rereading one small sentence in the section titled Biochemical Study, "This chemical has an unknown molecular structure and has an extremely dense energy structure." She leaned forward a bit and asked (supporting character) "It says they did all this labwork, spectroscopy and the like, but can't figure what it's made of, how do you think that's possible?"
You get several benefits that way
  • You get to leave out the parts that you don't feel qualified to write
  • You can introduce as much informality as you think the reader needs to remain engaged
  • You can make characters in your story decide what's important to learn about, without needing a lot of technobabble filler. The reader then either learns what's important(if your characters are right), or gets a red herring you can flip on them later.
  • It's not static. The scene is alive and moving through the exposition. Infodumps can work(think star wars title crawl), but always be wary of them. Some asshole who has never written long-form fiction in his life. Theory without practice is masturbation 15:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] In celebration of this wiki finally getting an update

I redid the Love eyes.gif smiley. What do you think? [dead link]

In a couple of days hopefully, this place is going to be [dead link] [dead link] [dead link]

ClickerClock (talk) 06:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Looks good to me, but would it be possible to slow down the speed of the gif? It moves really fast between heart-eyes and regular eyes. Koi "I could really use an animator because I have so many ideas floating around in my head" development 13:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Can do.ClickerClock (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Not trying to be harsh, but I think that artistically, though not technically, it's a substantially worse presentation of the same animation. By transforming the entire face, instead of just the feature that communicates the most important aspect(the heart eyes), it draws attention where it should not be. I get that the original seemed a little flat, but this doesn't fix that. Also, emotively, going from flat-neutral expression, to overjoyed, then smoothly back to flat-neutral fails to communicate which state is the "end" state that the viewer is empathizing with. The net effect is muddled.
I know how much of a jerk I'm being by saying "Hey your labor of love is wrong and needs to be done differently than your vision", so, sorry about that. But I wanted to give an honest assessment. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion.ClickerClock (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Version 2


I had to delete Version 1 as I keep on screwing up updating the file. I replaced it with [dead link]. ClickerClock (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Beaaauuutifully done. Koi "the spelling's on purpose!" development 01:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Much improved. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Should this be the new Love Eyes . gif? ClickerClock (talk) 03:33, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I'd say yes. Christopher (talk) 14:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
That's two votes for yes!ClickerClock (talk) 06:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Eugene M. McCarthy

A guy who believes that pigs are capable of having sex with chimpanzees (or something like that) has noticed our article on him and, amongst demands we treat his hypothesis more fairly, appears to have some possible good points. Given that he's made comments on my talk page implying he wants to sue the RMF this should probably be mentioned somewhere where people will notice it. Christopher (talk) 20:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Eh, as long as the article is cited well I have no problem keeping it the way it is. It's badly sourced and I've only been following along a little bit though so you guys'd have to deal with the pleb. McHanzo <3 20:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

If the article's subject is a living person, and said subject threatens a lawsuit, the first step is to cut all unsourced and weaksourced content and push it to the talk page. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 22:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

It appears to be true that McCarthy claimed this. There's a writeup in the Guardian on McCarthy's claim by Henry Gee, a Senior Editor of Nature.[2] Bongolian (talk) 18:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Is this person reliable?

I saw this guy being cited as a source in regards to anthropology. Anyone know of him?


Not really sure if he is someone to listen to or ignore. Here is one quote by him: According to Berman, "...the training for transcendent (i.e., vertical, power-based) solutions, as opposed to paradoxical tension (which is a dynamic "nonsolution"), begins in early infancy. Child rearing can teach you that Self and Other can remain in balance; or it can teach you that there is room for only one ego in any relationship. In the latter case, one dissolves the Self, ecstatically, into the power of the Other; on the macrolevel, vertical politics is a foregone conclusion."

And this is the link to the place that cited him. http://9-1.huntergatherers.org/

I'm not an avid reader so I don't know how to respond to him. Machina (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Can anyone translate this to English? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:37, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Same guy who was asked about in the 'noble savage or good idea' thread of a week or so ago (now barchived). I only read a paragraph of his stuff, which made a number of universal claims about "hgs" (he couldn't be bothered typing out 'hunter-gatherers' each time I guess) that I know to be inaccurate to the Australian situation. Edit: Noticed that the guy citing Berman was the topic of that thread, not Berman himself.
As for Berman himself, his degrees are in Mathematics and History of Science and is a self-styled 'Cultural Historian and Social Critic' who has taught at 'a number of universities in Europe and North America' and held a visiting chair at 'Incarnate Word College (San Antonio)' - which has been 'The University of the Incarnate Word' since 1996 and is a "Sponsored Ministry of the Sisters of the Incarnate Word." One of the recommended links on his blog is to The Guardian. Saltcellar prepped.
Wandering God, the book the above was quoted from, is on Google Scholar. I have not fully read it yet.
Example quote "The second mode is very much about meaning and the process of being absorbed in it. I call this constellation the"sacred authority complex (SAC)..."
I strongly doubt that he is notable.
Sourcepath: OP's wiki link > his blog > googled the college and gbooked his book.
Daev (talk) 07:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Hell has frozen over.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm here to announce that we've gotten a positive mention from 8chan. https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1798318.html'Legionwhat do you want from me 02:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

It just seems they linked the page describing anarcho-capitalism's problems, which the OP requested information on. I'd guess they'd take just about any source for that particular topic. Lord Aeonian (talk) 03:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Its /leftypol/... nothing good can come from them. 2d4chanfag (talk) 07:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
To clarify: /leftypol/ is the tankies, not the alt-right. A good chunk of the alt-right is made up of former libertarians who went off the deep end and decided that they liked freedom for themselves more than freedom for others, such that it's not hard to find some support for anarcho-capitalism as an economic system in those circles. On the other hand, the general attitude of the sort of hard-leftists who populate /leftypol/ is that ancaps can go to hell. Not surprising that they'd agree with anybody criticizing anarcho-capitalism. KevinR1990 (talk) 08:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I went on leftypol many times and most references to USSR are ironic, there are some unironic tankies but they're not a majority. I don't why everyone thinks leftypol is tankies (perhaps it was at the beginning), many are anarchists or communalists, and not all the communists are Stalin/Mao/Hoxha apologists. Diacelium (talk) 12:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Ironic tankies are like ironic nazis in that they seamlessly invite in and morph into that which they mock. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:53, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
@Diacelium I saw that they recently did a survey of political ideologies, and the results were that Anarcho-Communism was the largest ideology with LeftCom being the second largest. And @ikanreed leftypol follows a practice of anti-sectarianism, meaning that as long as you're not a rightist or a liberal you're cool, so unironic tankies are already on leftypol they're just a small minority.'Legionwhat do you want from me 07:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
"anti-sectarianism?" You mean cooperating with bourgeoisie revisionists? /leftypol/ might as well be /ancapscum/ Lord Aeonian (talk) 07:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Most silly things that conspiracy theorists accused you of?

I got accused of being part of a secret subdivision of the nonexistent New World Order.

Me: STOP posting the personal information of children.

The conspiracy theorist: I am 100% right. Are you part of the New World Order? You are a hypocrite as you don't protect children at all because (insert WTF here).

ClickerClock (talk) 07:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

What is this "New world order"? 2d4chanfag (talk) 11:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
We have an article on that: New World Order. ClickerClock (talk) 11:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I have been accused of being 'deep' in the Illuminati because I joined a fraternity in college, that George Soros pays me to defend my country's institutions from those who would see them destroyed, that Big Pharma pays me to talk about how little money is actually made on vaccines delivered one time compared to lifelong maintenance medications, and that I was a cuck gender traitor for joining my wife at the Women's March. Also, since I'm a Democrat, and there was no Southern Realignment after the 1964 Civil Rights Act, I'm also apparently a member of the KKK and a pro-slavery advocate! Semipenultimate (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
For me, I was accused of being a Big Pharma shill. Why? Because I stood up for vaccines.--Rationalzombie94 (talk) 01:49, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Clearly, this is the new World Order. (I have made this joke before, I know.) Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Nyarnyar~) 06:40, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I was accused of being a LaRouchie who is opposed to "economic royalism". nobsAloha Snackbar 22:50, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
LOL. A conspiracy theory is: "A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy without warrant, generally one involving an illegal or harmful act carried out by government or other powerful actors" - wikipedia. Yes the New York Sites; totally conspiracy theorists. It's actually reputable newspaper. Yes, a comparison between Rob and 18th century Royalists is 100% like being accused of being a LaRouchie. Not that LaRouchie is even mentioned in the article. Seriously fellow Rationalwikians, read the article linked. Rob thinks comparing is the same as accusing. He thinks that a journalist is a conspiracy theorist. ClickerClock (talk) 06:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Betelgeuse

Just to note about the article I've been unable to find on YT one video with even more BS about Betelgeuse's supernova in 2012 -for the record, one of those SOHO observatory UFOwooers love so much- --Panzerfaust (talk) 08:40, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Betelgeuse did go supernova in 2012. Problem is, Betelgeuse is 640 light years away, give or take a few. We won't know about it until 2652. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 18:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I seriously doubt they'll even know that to see things that happen in space a lot of time is needed until light or whatever reaches us. Anyway, the video was SOHO footage of a bright star eclipsed by the Sun followed by a solar eruption. Never mind that: 1) Betelgeuse is never eclipsed by the Sun, 2) in early August (the date of NASA's footage) Betelgeuse can be seen just before dawn, 3) SOHO's camera has a FOV not wide enough (much less than the minimum needed) to include both Betelgeuse and the Cancer constellation, where the Sun is in that epoch, and 4) Orion is far larger than the small inset they put. It's easy to guess why comments were blocked in that video.
EDIT. Found it, it's actually a Spanish page about what looks like woo. Image and page --Panzerfaust (talk) 22:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Trump?

The Indivisible Project: it's a guide to stopping Trump.

Rationalwiki's US ranking according to Alexa is 5,930 and The Indivisible Project is only 15,802. Soo… mind if some of you American Rationalwikians browse the guide for a bit. If you got a popular blog/site/social media account, please boost the link to your readers. ClickerClock (talk) 11:16, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Norwegian translation

Hello, I would like to see articles in Norwegian. I can do the translations if you guys want. Many Norwegians need to get some other logic than what they get from facebook.— Unsigned, by: Niikoo / talk / contribs

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Well we've got a few articles in other languages already and a whole Russian RationalWiki so I don't see why not. Christopher (talk) 09:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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