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A place to sit in a dumpster with your own bottle & moan about the saloon bar

Musha rig um du rum da
Whack fol the daddy o
Whack fol the daddy o
There's whiskey in the jar

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[edit] Rationalwiki's harassment problem

It is highly recommended this platform reflect on allowing a known online stalker whose name I wont mention and his massive sock army here and removing the articles he has posted against individuals he holds grudges against online. As the evidence is building against this individual and the legal ramifications, RW will be held accountable just as much as this individual since they harbor his activities. This individual's initials are O.S. Stopharassmentonline (talk) 01:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Isn't posting vague threats and insinuations like the above just another form of harassment online? Stop yourself! Annquin (talk) 10:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Sure, if we want to use bizarre logic, it is harassment in the same sense that an abusive husband considers himself the victim after he beats his wife. This message, and all messages to follow, are a response to harassment and an attempt to achieve some sort of recourse despite being blocked or banned when attempting to do so. Consider, if this platform actually allowed some sort of responsible pathway to resolve these issues, legal recourses would not be necessary, hence this message.Responsive12 (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
(As an editor)Look, we've seen people attempting to do this in the past, and take a very dim view of our site being used to make defamatory claims, particularly about unrelated internet drama. If you point to examples of these articles, and your point is valid, there's no need to be vague and use several different accounts. We're a modestly small community and things slip through the cracks, but please no more legal threats, the salloon bar is not the venue to make them. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 00:15, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
And just so you know, making legal threats is a reason to get yourself another ban.--JorisEnter (talk) 00:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
There have been many attempts to try and resolve this reasonably over the years, every single one of them met with hostility or twisted logic to justify why they are doing what they are doing. Why don't you inform me of how you would prefer this is addressed? I would prefer a peaceful and non confrontational resolution, however if I am met with hostility, naturally I would choose what ever other options are available to me, and simply stating that is NOT making a threat so please do not treat it as such simply so you can find a new way to ban me or censor this discussion.
Shouldn't we try and do better as progressives? Do you really want practice this type of abuse that is similar to the 'shitposting' tactics of the_donald, 8 chan and the alt right? Don't you see that what you are doing here is actually HARMFUL to your own ideals as progressives and discredits the ideas you claim to promote? Do you really want to use those same sort of tactics? I'm a politically progressive and pro science individual, yet on this website I am treated as an anti science crank. What makes this difficult for me the most is that since I actually SHARE most of the viewpoints here on this site AND I am someone WHO IS politically active in many of the same areas this platform claims to speak for, you're putting me in an awkward position.
So why don't we start fresh? A simple rational conversation will take minutes, but creating multiple accounts and getting banned over and over again will continue to be years in the making.
Please advise as to next steps. Responsive12 (talk) 03:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Which concrete claim in which concrete article do you have a problem with? Worzelpete (talk) 03:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I am skeptical about addressing your question here simply because past experience tells me it will simply be met with more hostility. How about this, why don't you provide me with a throw away email account, and I will email you from another throw away email account. In that email, we can both agree to keep the contents private, and carry on our conversation that way? Honestly, this is not really a safe space to have this discussion if you want me to mention names and details and I would rather not have a dozen responses to my statements that simply dismiss me with name calling and accusations. Responsive12 (talk) 04:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
we can start here. denuthisap@throya.com You or anyone here can create a throwaway email address as well here http://www.throwawaymail.com/ all of these communications will be deleted in 48 hours. How does that work for everyone? Responsive12 (talk) 04:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
If my suggestion for throwaway email does not work, please suggest another alternative. Responsive12 (talk) 04:51, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Since you want to discuss legal threats, you should contact: legal@rationalwiki.org
You should also stop posting vague insinuations here & await a response from the Foundation. ωεαşεζøίɗWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 09:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I think you yourself should email legal@rationalwiki.org and inquire as to what actually constitutes a legal threat, because clearly you're confused. Since I clarified in writing in this post that I was seeking to have a reasonable dialogue which should NOT be construed as a legal threat, you appear to be informing me that my only recourse is a legal one. Odd. Was that your intention? Are you saying that the only way for me to resolve this is a legal channel and you are unwilling to resolve this with me any other way? Please be clear as to your answer, and be certain that you are speaking for the platform and community, not just yourself. In case you are still confused, my intention is to resolve this by my own petition directly to the editors here and in a way where I will not be harassed for doing so. I don't think that is vague at all. What are you afraid of? Responsive12 (talk) 13:35, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
You've said you want to discuss whatever this issue is by email & I have provided you with the relevant contact details. If addressing it to an email address designated for legal issues pains you, try rationalwiki@rationalwiki.org instead. It's likely to be the same RMF board members/officers who respond either way. ЩєазєюіδWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 14:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Blocked for legal threats. If they have a problem, the board is emailable - David Gerard (talk) 15:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
TL,DR: "I want to discuss a serious problem you have." "Ok, we'll look into it, what's the problem?" "Stop being a jerk! I just want you to fix your problem!" "What. Problem." "I'm not telling you here or you'll all yell at me. Meet me in a dark alley, where I can be sure nobody's watching." "Um...Here's my number, out you go." TeflonTrout (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
At risk of being dragged into something I literally don't care about, don't quote things nobody said. Gaul Dernitt (talk) 07:48, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

"Stopharassmentonline" is a sock of Rome Viharo (he suddenly now claims to be "pro-science" and wants Rationalwiki to remove his history of supporting pseudo-science and crankery. I'm the person he's talking about, but what he writes about me is false. Yesterday he threatened to contact my parents or report me to the police; he showed up on my blog leaving his same delusions and false accusations and he's been doing the same to Tim Farley. He's completely nuts. I've never harassed anyone on Rationalwiki, nor have I harassed him. He's still talking about his Wikipedia ban that happened 4 years ago. He joins multiple forums/wikis to post about me and Tim Farley; I recently got a defamatory Wikipediocracy thread of his closed and the admins on that site also saw his as a troll; no one believed a word of his baloney story he's been harassed, but he still goes spamming it on wikis and forums. 86.14.2.77 (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Long time lurker, first time talk-pager

I have used RW to get through my workday on a 6 days a week basis. I refurb networking equipment. I don't much care for computers, spend my off time playing in bands and digging dirt, real Midwestern purist. But when I'm dying from watching packets transfer successfully, I read this wiki. I watch the user pages. I can spot a RationalZombie94 headline from a glance. And I like the kid, I don't know why. I groan before ikanreed posts a short, frustrated response, I groan after. I like nobs. I don't know why. I like RCP, I know exactly why. I like FCP. I read Zexcoiler start to finish, same with diale...coli? Damn, should have written this down first. Pb, Plutoniumboss,Owlman, the Grandmother, Smerdis, Sword of the Northern... Anime YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE, SIR. Anyway, I appreciate all you editors and the mission and even the execution. Wow, what? You guys are doing great and salving my existential wounds and if I didn't list you in the names that came to mind, I'm sorry, WEASELOID! Shit, uhhh, Levi RIP, Petey, and uhh Karl Marx? Keep doing what you're doing, a toast from here to all, long live RatWik, motion to move to Saloon Bar, and I THOUGHT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RATIONALWIKI!!! Edit ooooops 174.71.85.63 (talk) 06:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Traditionally, the next step after long-time lurking and IP-editing is registering an account, so... welcome to the menagerie. :)--ZooGuard (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
I suppose you're right. I suppose you're usually right. Sorry for not shouting out in op, I said ZooGuard out loud today, though, so... oh my God, do I have Tourette's? How do I Poe? Gaul Dernitt (talk) 03:09, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
This was a wholesome post. Thank you for writing it! Th hug.gif Also, where you wrote "I like RCP", I'm going to bet you meant to say "RBP", because I'm humble like that. Or because I'm an outstanding detective. Prolly not both though. All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Welcome here ! Diacelium (talk) 14:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Obviously, I meant to write ICP, but Reverend Black Percy is OK too, I guess. Last night was all wine and brandy. I regret not signing! (It's kinda like a pun if you read it out loud, leave me alone, I have so much shit to do today, ow my head)174.71.85.63 (talk) 15:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
That's perfectly fine. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Nah nah nah dawg! You're teaching me wiki tricks. But let's be honest.Edit added another colon, this is confusing.174.71.85.63 (talk) 16:34, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 17:46, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
What a kind post! Much more nice than most BoN comments on RW. Why dont you gett an account and start editing yourself :) Its fun! And if you have more important things to do that you don't really want to do, it's way more fun! TheGrandmother (talk) 10:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
mercy me, I just got back from driving an hour in the wrong direction to deliver a laptop computer to a friend that would have hafta driven two and a half hours otherwise. On top of him driving the hour and a half to meet me. I have access these days, and I still love you guys, but don't expect a lot out of me.
If none of that made sense, you ain't exactly plains people. Gaul Dernitt (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
I was so dumb to not notice the talkpage as also getting updates. Here I was looking at the actual Bar looking for who posted what and finding nothing. Though, thanks BoN! I'm happy to have been mentioned (:D). I feel strangely honored. Ɀexcoiler Kingbolt]] Noooooooo! Look! Up there!' 07:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Strangely honored is a pretty good phrase. Thanks, sincerely. Gaul Dernitt (talk) 07:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

[edit] black invention myth debunked says right winger

This discussion was moved to RW:BAR#black invention myth debunked says right winger.

[edit] Down to 8 threads

Should we up the archive time from 5 days, or just bemoan the sad state of the bar? Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 04:00, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

As a cynic, I say bemoan the sad state of the bar. As a person who hates seeing things disappear so quickly, I say up the archive time to ten days. So...make of that what you will. RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
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