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A place to sit in a dumpster with your own bottle & moan about the saloon bar

Musha rig um du rum da
Whack fol the daddy o
Whack fol the daddy o
There's whiskey in the jar


[edit] Oh No

I created the first archive for this page. Leninist123 (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

A talk page... has a talk page. This place is screwed up. The unbusinesslikeman of business 17:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
No, this is a talk page for a project page that just happens to be used for talk. This is a talk page for a talk page! Real first name and last initialTalk, talk, talk skim my contributions 21:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there really any point to archiving a single, brief, and admittedly odd, discussion?--"Shut up, Brx." 21:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
that's not an archive, it was concurrent with the debate and its talk page. Real first name and last initialTalk, talk, talk skim my contributions 21:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I mean here--"Shut up, Brx." 21:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

No you did not create the first archive. First archive is here: RationalWiki talk:Saloon bar/Archive1. Everything appears to have been kicked out of whack when Mindless Cheerleader moved [RationalWiki talk:Saloon bar] to some nonsense location & RNS moved it to [RationalWiki talk:Saloon Bar]. What a bunch of fuckin morons. WėąṣėḷőįďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 21:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)



....can't see how in the history. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 20:04, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

So what's it gonna take to turn off IP edit now? -- Seth Peck (talk) 20:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
That's just a band-aid...what we need to do is LOCK THE FUCKING DATABASE. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

NITE MOAD. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 20:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Guide to the Book of Mormon


I'm new to RatWiki membership (though I've browsed for a while), and I consider myself an ex-Mormon (I'm currently being raised Mormon and still have to go to church and all of its activities, etc.). Since we have a guide to the Bible, I thought it would be fun to make a guide to the Book of Mormon as well. What do you guys think? — Unsigned, by: TheIrrationalShark / talk / contribs

Sure, if you're happy to take the lead on it, since most of us won't know as much about it as you. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 06:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm currently working on it. It may take a while, though.

WHO CARES IF YOUR WORKING ON IT ISwagHard (talk) 05:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
what REALLY happened to the gold plates ? what powers does the magic underwear give you ? is it true that you never take off the undies while overseas and do they have a flap ? answer those (if they are not secrets) and the angel Moroni will bless you. Hamster (talk) 03:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I'd offer to help, but I haven't read it in >13 years. Look forward to reading it though.--Barryjon (talk) 13:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Uuuurgh




SophieWilder 20:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

*Fetches mop* What did you drink? Humorless fascistsociopath 20:15, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
That stuff they're trying to find a name for in there. SophieWilder 20:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Tsk tsk. Humorless fascistsociopath 20:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
I can see an entire fetish built around this!--P3A58NT86 22:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
34. Corry (talk) 06:51, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I coughed hard. It make me feel like I needed to throw up. Are you OK, Sophie? ħumanUser talk:Human 05:58, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

[edit] An important message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2UGsb4-_c --TechCheeseprotest 01:37, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Bestiality

Any fellow heathens partake in acts of depravity lately? I had an extra cup of coffee this morning. Wasn't hard to fight any of the zoophilia urges inherent in godlessness. Successful day.— Unsigned, by: some tosser or other / talk / contribs

Oh dear, this one's not even trying. To be a successful troll you need to needle us, not make blunderingly ridiculous claims. Go back to the start; think abut what you're trying to achieve. What's your aim?SophieWilderModerator 13:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
lulz. And deserved doom shall be unto you (talk) 13:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Suicide Choir

"Sometimes I feel,

Long ago, life took the last breath from me.

Life itself, the grand enemy.

The white bride of wretched death,

Did guide me through gardens grey.

The fruit of which, would only grow to rot away.

Amidst these vast gardens,

Even doth the sun itself,

Seem so pallid.

Seven statues of saddened stance,

Perhaps the craft of a man still sadder.

Fallen leaves of a thrice dead oak,

A morbid portrayal, of a once grand majesty.

The once glorious moon,

Its pallor so unhallowed.

Kneel before,

The Suicide Choir.

Be judged by your,

Suicidal desire.

What would one tear filled glimpse stand to reveal?

Upon his grey green throne,

Stained with the horror,

of a thousand bloodied suicides.

Sate the Suicide Choir."

13:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Happy stuff. Trapped inside this octavarium 07:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Is this site biased?

I've seen people accuse the site of being biased and I've actually seen the site itself admit it in this article:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Atheism_Plus#Dissenting_views — Unsigned, by: TemplarJLS / talk / contribs

Yes it is: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RW:SPOV#RationalWiki_is_not_neutral_point_of_view Nullahnung (talk) 09:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Um, like… did the formatting fuck up or something? Or are you a pretty cool music person as well? MĖSSIÅH ØF DØØM Reaching out to embrace the randomDolan.png 11:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I figured the back alley could use a little curating, so I fixed Templar's segmenting of MoD's thingymaboop. For those wondering, part of the topic right above this one got merged into this topic, and Templar tried to fix it but only put the last two lines back in the right place, leaving the YouTube link hanging out at the end of Templar's message. Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Floof!~) 11:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Cosmetic Surgery and Health Care

In places that have universal health care (not the US of A), should certain cosmetic surgery procedures such as liposuction be included under insurance plans for everyone (over 18)? — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 19:25, 25 May 2015‎ (UTC)

[edit] Yep

That orange juice was spiked.
That orange juice was spiked.
Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Floof!~) 13:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
AND YOU LEFT NONE? ArcticVixen (talk) 10:49, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Super top secret pictures from Lord Jerboa's phone leaked sexy nudes yes

File:NSFW RW goatse.pngWarning: NSFW Image!

I'd tell you to keep the back alley classy but apparently it never has been so... (talk) 08:08, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I think this is where
we go to be
Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Floof!~) 08:13, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Who thinks I'm abusing my HTML style privileges?


I... I...

With Comic Sans. Narky SawtoothNarky.png (Floof!~) 22:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

WalkerWalkerWalker 04:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys, can I use---copy this onto my userpage? It looks so cool and want to do it but I don't have a ton of time right now. Zexcoiler Kingbolt (talk) 05:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)Zexcoiler Kingbolt

[edit] Bar top template mess

For some reason I can't access any of the top of the page tabs on the main saloon bar page. I think it has something to do with the banner template. Or perhaps some bullshit because I refuse to use the vector skin.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 12:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah it's definitely some garbage to do with mono book and I AM NOT SWITCHING TO VECTOR.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 12:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Solution to that.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 12:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be useful to apply that padding to the template as well?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Is it caused by a template though?--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 00:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
OH FUCK, now the Saloon Bar talk page button bar looks weird!!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:59, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Well why else is the padding issue only on this page?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:34, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Might I suggest... using Vector? WalkerWalkerWalker 11:50, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
No '0' edit first section link. Queexchthonic murmurings 12:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Hang on, I bet I can make that happen... WalkerWalkerWalker 12:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Yah. WalkerWalkerWalker 13:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

[edit] gurgle

MaillardFillmore (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Notice anything different?

yah, me neither. MaillardFillmore (talk) 22:06, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] What are you doing?

I have to ask, what are you all doing here? You've started a site called "RationalWiki", and dressed it up to look like a reliable source for information, but none of you seem to be the least bit interested in verifying that the information actually is reliable, or in justifying why anyone else should believe a word of it. Some of you are not only not interested, but, when asked, openly contemptuous and hostile.

So, what are you doing? If it's not to build a reliable information source, then why are you here? Is it to advocate your own political position? I don't understand how you can pretend that this site has anything to do with rationalism, when one of you can write, unchallenged, "[P]olitical leftism is correct, while rightism is incorrect. Simple as that." (Obliquely disagreeing is not the same as challenging -- clearly, this expressed view is acceptable here.) Others capriciously assert that there is no such thing as truth -- the mother of all logical fallacies.

Every page I've visited so far belies the notion that this site is devoted to rationalism. That's a shame, because people could really use a site that was, to help them sort out fact from fantasy. I don't know how such a site would work, but this site is not even close.

Don't you see that the hubris you exhibit by assuming you are right, and assuming you are rational, without doing due diligence on your own thought process, is the same trait exhibited by every anti-science villain in history? It's not enough to feel in your gut that you're right -- everybody has that feeling. It's not enough to have Internet buddies to back you up -- there's that pesky matter of selection bias.

I accuse this site of being a purveyor of lies and nonsense.

It has:

  • No process for quality control,
  • No standards for evaluating evidence,
  • No guidance for editors on how to be "rational",
  • No safeguards in place against what is probably the most pernicious source of false information: groupthink. On the contrary, groupthink is enshrined as a community standard!

(On a side note, it's pretty obvious that something is wrong when you have parody pages mixed indiscriminately with ostensibly serious ones.)

This site's guilt is compounded by the fact that it ostentatiously bills itself "rationale". It adopts the veneer of integrity, without bothering to implement anything that integrity entails. Klortho (talk) 08:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

inb4 some clown links this template.--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 09:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC) 09:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Klortho, if you don't like it, which you obviously don't, the door's right over there. Spud (talk)
Now that is even worse than this dumb template, it's as if it was piratecopied from the Right (policy $A, $B and $C is 'Murica, if you don't like it, leave and go to country $D where you came from, you <insert ethnophaulism here>).--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 15:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC) 15:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
We do have citations and talk pages. Wikipedia doesn't do much more to ensure accuracy, either. another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Drink! Also, specific examples? Zero (talk - contributions) 17:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Honestly? Those are all things that could be changed, but promote more bureaucracy and don't really generate quality content on their own.
As to how to be rational: you aren't rational. Neither am I. Individual ideas can be rational, and can be quantitatively and qualitatively evaluated in ways particular to their domain of knowledge. You wouldn't ask for a mathematical proof in a chemistry lab, you wouldn't ask for scientific experiments in a court of law, and you wouldn't want to convince a jury of your peers that an essay has certain themes. Ideas have rationality tests and understanding what those tests are is not some easy on-off switch you can put into a machine and *ping* get the right answer. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Quality control, jokes, etc. are all essentially fixed by requiring citations -- same as on WP. Anything more than that is very difficult to enforce and begins to tread the line of "what is rationality". Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 22:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Are you going to report us to the Florida Department of Agricultural and Consumer Services? --Ymir (talk) 22:49, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

"Florida Department of Agricultural and Consumer Services"? Is that some kind of RationalWiki in-joke?--Harkinian | Oah! (talk) 16:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
yes it is I am not the Ombud's man 17:18, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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