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Ongoing discussion on this article by new user concerning acceptable vs unacceptable humor[edit]

See User_talk:Stigmatella_aurantiaca#Citizendium

Why close CZ?[edit]

I’m sure people here have many answers. Now CZ has a thread for you:

Why close CZ?

(there's also Has the project failed? for more existential musings)

--109.158.46.231 (talk) 22:32, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Felis silvestris catus[edit]

I suggest to delete this entirely:

* [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Cat&diff=prev&oldid=100011708 Cat] — For four years used the redundant scientific nomenclature for the domesticated cat, ''Felis silvestris catus''. The accepted nomenclature is ''Felis catus'', see for example [http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=183798 ITIS taxonomy]. Note that ''silvestris'' is a wildcat ancestor, not domesticated cat. [http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/168536/domestic-cat Encyclopædia Britannica], [http://tolweb.org/Felis_catus/123531 Tree of Life] (TOL), [http://www.eol.org/pages/1037781 Encyclopedia of Life] (EOL), and Wikipedia all use ''Felis catus'' for domesticated cat. Has since been corrected.<ref group="RationalWiki">Thanks to us: [http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Citizendium&diff=686898&oldid=686408 RationalWiki edit]; [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Cat&diff=100732551&oldid=100713317 Citizendium correction].</ref> ''Felis silvestris catus'' is not redundant, it is a [[w:trinomen|trinomen]] referring to a ''sub''species. Domestic cats were classified as a species by Linnaeus, but today it is also common to view them as a subspecies of the wildcat. Quoting from [[w:cat|Wikipedia]]: :The domestic cat was first classified as ''Felis catus'' by [[Carl Linnaeus]] in the 10th edition of his ''[[10th edition of Systema Naturae|Systema Naturae]]'' published in 1758.<ref name="MSW3fc" /><ref name="Linaeus1758">{{Cite book|last=Linnaeus |first=Carolus |authorlink=Carl Linnaeus |title=''Systema naturae per regna tria naturae: secundum classes, ordines, genera, species, cum characteribus, differentiis, synonymis, locis'' |publisher=Holmiae (Laurentii Salvii) |year=1766 |page=62 |url= http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k99004c/f62.chemindefer |accessdate=2 April 2008 |language=la |volume=1 |edition=12th |origyear=1758}}</ref> Because of modern [[phylogenetics]], domestic cats are usually regarded as another subspecies of the wildcat, ''F. silvestris''.<ref name="MSW3fc" /><ref name="Driscoll" /><ref name="MSW3fs">{{MSW3 Carnivora|pages=536–537|id=14000057|heading=Species ''Felis silvestris''}}</ref> This has resulted in mixed usage of the terms, as the domestic cat can be called by its subspecies name, ''Felis silvestris catus''.<ref name="MSW3fc" /><ref name="Driscoll" /><ref name="MSW3fs" /> Wildcats have also been referred to as various subspecies of ''F. catus'',<ref name="MSW3fs" /> but in 2003, the [[International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature]] fixed the name for wildcats as ''F. silvestris''.<ref name="ICZN">{{Cite journal |title=Opinion 2027 |journal=Bulletin of Zoological Nomenclature |volume=60 |publisher=[[International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature]] (ICZN) |year=2003 |url= http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted_sites/iczn/BZNMar2003opinions.htm |archiveurl= https://web.archive.org/web/20110609014212/http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted_sites/iczn/BZNMar2003opinions.htm |archivedate= 9 June 2011 }}</ref> The most common name in use for the domestic cat remains ''F. catus'', following a [[Convention (norm)|convention]] for domesticated animals of using the earliest (the senior) [[Synonym (taxonomy)|synonym]] proposed.<ref name="ICZN" /> Sometimes, the domestic cat has been called ''Felis domesticus''<ref name="MacDonald" /> or ''Felis domestica'',<ref name="MSW3fc" /> as proposed by German naturalist [[Johann Christian Polycarp Erxleben|J. C. P. Erxleben]] in 1777, but these are not valid taxonomic names and have been used only rarely in scientific literature,<ref name="Baron" /> because Linnaeus's binomial takes precedence.<ref name="Vella">{{Cite book |title=Robinson's Genetics for Cat Breeders and Veterinarians |edition=4th |publisher=Butterworth-Heinemann |isbn=0-7506-4069-3 |last=Vella |first=Carolyn M. |author2=Shelton, Lorraine M. |author3=McGonagle, John J. |author4= Stanglein, Terry W. |year=1999 |page=3}}</ref> A population of [[Transcaucasus|Transcaucasian]] black feral cats was once classified as ''Felis daemon''<small> ([[Konstantin Alekseevich Satunin|Satunin]] 1904)</small> but now this population is considered to be a part of domestic cat.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://caucasian-large-mammalian.narod.ru/ |title=Catalogue of the Specimens of Caucasian Large Mammalian Fauna in the Collection of The National Museum of Georgia |publisher=Caucasian-large-mammalian.narod.ru |accessdate=4 July 2013}}</ref> <div style="font-size:xx-small"> <references group="RationalWiki" /> <references /> </div>

-- Ivan (talk) 12:11, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Larry Sanger article on Wikipedia in The Sunday Times[edit]

Anyone care to add a reference to the article in The ST (though a paywall may be in operation)?

Key flags in the article - LS complains about Wikipedia's 'liberal/left wing bias' (though an element of sour grapes may apply) and is home-schooling his sons. Anna Livia (talk) 12:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Formatting errors WRT references[edit]

There's some formatting issues that I'm having trouble figuring out how to correct. Specifically WRT why the formatting for a citation inside a note doesn't work. Vee (talk) 18:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

It seems that nested references are not allowed. Just replace <ref group=note> ... <ref> ... </ref></ref> with <ref group=note> ... </ref><ref> ... </ref> blobcat (°U°) 19:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)