No, no, no. And it's mildly offensive that you would suggest that. Just mildly, but still offensive.

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No, no, no. And it's mildly offensive that you would suggest that. Just mildly, but still offensive.

No, no, no. You don't speak French better than I. You write it better. And even then, it's mostly because you either have an AZERTY keyboard, the small amount of patience required to switch your browser's spellcheck to correct what you can't type out (notice I didn't say mistakes- the spellcheck would be filling in for you keyboard's limitations), the patience to remap your QWERTY board's keys to allow you to insert accented letters with greater ease, or the monumental patience to go in and insert each and every non-standard character into your writings.

Please do not say that you speak French better than me. I have been speaking French my entire life, I was raised to speak French. Every member of my family is French (with the possible exception of my sister, who was born in the States), the entirety of my extended family lives in France, I read books in French, I watch movies in French, I read comic books in French, I listen to French music, and for my entire childhood I would go to France each summer to spend over two months with my grandparents where I had plenty of time to immerse myself in French culture. Do not belittle me by saying that you speak French better than me. It is just a little bit hurtful. I am sure you are very good with French, that you have spent much time learning it, and that your husband has provided you with a cross-cultural experience that you greatly (and rightfully!) value, but you have not lived it like I have and to have someone say that to me is like saying that I failed at being born, at growing up, and that I am a vapid fool unable to appreciate what his heritage brings him (although I'm something of an iconoclast and an Existentialist- don't take this as me defining myself as French)

User:Brxbrx/sig20:26, 26 October 2011

You really aught to learn to write it, then. it has nothing to do with the keyboard, it's your knowledge of it. Your English is divine. Your french is... well, like i said, if *i* can tell it's bad, it's bad.

But hey, clearly I don't know what I'm talking about, since I don't watch french movies, speak french all day, listen to french music virtually 24 hours a day, listen to french news, live in france or anything else. You may pride yourself on being french, and that's not my right to take from you, but you should both to learn your own language as well as you speak english, cause it does show instantly that you are more American than you are french. My husband is more french than he is Vietnamese, it's hard to get past the schooling you have -- as you well know. And when you pride yourself as being french, well... understand there are others around who say "no, you have french heritage".

What I'm most curious about is why you started the jokes about french and showers (which if you are really french, you know is not true), then jump at being offended when someone says something about french people. (the one that elicited your "Vous savez que je suis francais").

You draw a lot of attention to yourself, which is fine, Brx. But you really should take 10 seconds to figure out that you come of as a 15-18 year old kid, living with his parents, (I don't know that you are, or that you do... this is how your style speaks), who is a bit spoiled and really doesn't have much knowledge about life.

That's sad, cause something tells me you do have more than that. but for some reason, this is who you chose to be here.

As for you're being french, it was, again, the fact that you tried to prove your frenchness by being INCORRECT in how you spoke it. Don't you see where that's a bit, well, insincere?

Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi.21:03, 26 October 2011

No. It's a pain in the ass getting the proper accents in there. I'm not going to rewire my keyboard or constantly go up to Special Characters or insert. You probably do write French better than me. I learned French by speaking it, and I imagine that you began learning it in the classroom (I said began). I never went to French grammar school. I did, though, take French V in high school and I placed 5th in the nation in the highest bracket of the National French Contest (I'm pretty sure this is it), and I got a 5 on the French AP test (that's the highest score). Nevertheless I've forgotten much of the orthography and even back then I relied heavily on my parents help and my school book for any extensive writing.

But you do not speak French better than I. There is no way that your accent and your fluency can match that of a native speaker.

Second of all, I make jokes about the French. Yup. So what? They can be funny. Here's one my father told me: "What do you call a thousand people with their hands in the air? The French army!" And no shit I know they aren't true.

Second of all, what offended me in Gloria's comment was the stupidity of it. I assumed she/he was accusing me of being a bigot, and I explained to her that I am French (in the same sense that Mel Brooks make Jewish jokes and that Chris Rock makes black jokes).

Finally, it is rather offensive of you to say things like if you are really french. I am. Don't deny my past. It isn't a question of pride, it's a question of my existence. A while ago I came to terms with the fact that in spite of my antipathy towards labels and definitions of people and movements, I was born in France, to a French family. I am French. For you to question that is to question all the years I've spent with my family, surrounded by French media. You are also denying the endless teasing and even bullying I suffered because I was French while in school (especially after Iraq). There, it did not matter what I identified as, they did the labeling for me. Eventually I managed to stave it off by becoming tougher than most of my oppressors (dramatic, but my vocabulary fuel tank is running low), but that was only towards the end of my tenure as a high school student. Are you saying that never happend? Are you saying that when coming back home every summer, to the United States of America, that I did not have to go through the line for tourists and immigrants while I watched others go through the citizens' line? My name in real life is Camille. It's given to boys almost as commonly as girls in France, though I imagine yo know that. My parents did not forsee that they would move to America, and I have been constantly reminded of the fact that I am French at every role call and every introduction. I know I am waxing melodramatic, and that these are very small troubles. But you seem to try and deny that these things happened to me period. Not intentionally, of course, but that is the end result. It is to me as though you are doubting that I even exist, and that pisses me off. And you know what? I never read Perrault. Apparently neither did my grandfather, or he wouldn't have told me that myth about Cinderella's slippers. I've read some classical literature in French. I read La guerre des boutons, and also Tartarin de Tarascon. Maybe some others. I've also read books in French that can't be considered classical, or even French. For some reason, my aunt once got me a collection of Roald Dahl stories in French. I read and enjoyed most of them (though it probably would have been better in English). I'm also a fan of Bernard Werber. You should try him. I've read Wonderland, which is a classic of French science fiction, at least. You seemed to imply at one point that I was detached from the essentials of French culture. You are wrong in that there are no essentials, and I have ingested plenty of French literature, film, cuisine (much easier to ingest- have you ever tried crapping a book?) and whatever other aspects of culture I can't think of right now.

You have a lot of experience with French culture (or Francophone culture), and I'm betting you are quite proficient with the language. But don't pretend as though me, a native who's parents took great pains to keep him in touch with France, is somehow inferior in Frenchness to you.

PS-I'm twenty, I live alone

User:Brxbrx/sig21:46, 26 October 2011

You seem to enjoy being offended. I can't see how anyone in that conversation accused you of being a bigot, just a failboy. As for competing to be most French, allez-y & bon courage.

You really keep missing my point, but you're good at that. you really like playing the victim.

No one is saying you are not french. I am saying that you proclaim it, yet do so with extremely simply grammatical mistakes, the same way i might say "I be going to the store". And if that leads me to doubt you, well this is the fucking internet. few of the people here (not here, rw, here "internet") are who they say they are. So you say "I am French." ok, great. I read your articles here in french, and the level of french is that of a 5th grade french student. Fine. You are what you say you are.

So why get so defensive. If I'm wrong, then you know it, and your family knows it and your friends know it, and the only person who doubts you, is me. so why do you care? I'm a bunch of blips on a computer.

and by the way, i'm more than sure you speak french better then I. I speak at the level of a college student. Just as you said, that's not culturally fluent. I do pretty good with news, and of course PBLV. But I don't get word play. I don't get humor. those are things of native french. Again, my issue with you, brx, is your need to be pretentous. to be something, to prove you are something, and never carry through.

I've not doubted you were born in France to french family, and speak french. And if you say that makes you french and not american, more power to you. I'm only annoyed that you push this and push this, but... but have such poor understanding of your own damn language. (again, i'm not talking about the keyboard, and the fact that you didn't even see that reinforces my ideas... but maybe you are just lazy as shit, and don't care if you say "I be going to the store' and "I am with going her"

Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi.00:23, 27 October 2011

I'm a native of Taiwan who grew up in Australia, by the way. I speak 6 languages and have a doctorate in paleontology. Now that's scientific fact. There's no real evidence for it, but it is scientific fact.

ADK...I'll swallow your Volvo!10:46, 27 October 2011

6 languages, you suck. My charater in one of my romance novels is deaf, but also a linguist of ancient greek. She's a stud character. too bad I suck at writing, casue the best i can do with her is stick her in a romance.


Which languages? sides english.

Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi.13:09, 27 October 2011

English, northern English, bad English, cynicism (fluent), binary and bullshitting.

ADK...I'll abandon your cabinet!14:05, 27 October 2011

Excellent. I'm fluent in one of those, and have been known on occasion to dally in the others.

Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi.14:36, 27 October 2011

Good morning. I be am barely speaks English, Southern cracker circa 1890, Texican, legalese, asshole, and jive.

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg13:14, 31 October 2011
 
 
 
 

Bullshit. You're the one who's pretentious, trying to act like you know French better than a native speaker. I would not have brought up any of this if you'd just had the decency to, you know, FUCK OFF.

I don't like taking extra time to insert cedilles and accents circonflexes and whatnot. And that's fine because anyone who knows French will still know what I mean. If you think there's so much difference between français and francais, then that's your problem, not mine.

But hey, if you like showing off your fancy French orthography to everybody, go ahead and knock yourself out. Just don't put your cultural inferiority complex on me. Being born in France and raised to speak French, I've an intrinsically superior grasp of the language than you'll ever have. Not you nor any of the other French speakers on this site (there're a few more, natives, too. Akjgordon is one, I believe) can tell me otherwise based on what I might write here on this website. So the next time I make or appear to make an error in something I've typed out in French that isn't in mainspace, just shut up.

User:Brxbrx/sig18:21, 30 October 2011

Still butthurt about this four days later? Still responding to imaginary critiçisms rather than what people actually say?

1. for the third time, it was BASIC GRAMMAR you had wrong, not accents. I don't use accents when i type. I read fine without it, just like most people who read and write in french. your mistakes were of teh type "I is going". your verb did not match your subject. get it? that's not accents. for teh third time.

2. for teh second time. I doubt i speak it better than you, though now, I'm beginning to wonder since you can't even manage to read english. my point was that you pronounced your frenchness with really crappy french. AGAIN, NOT ACCENTS. your word order was akward (from a native french speaker), as it is in the articles you write. it's english with french words.

3. for teh record, someone who goes to his elementary, jr. high, and highschool in the US is "american", or "american french", cause for what it's worth, culturally one learns almost everything about their world after they start abstracting (so 5 or 6 for most children). How you view education, how you view commercialsm, how you view the use of energy, how you treat your teachers and parents, how much education is valued, how much arts are valued, how much after school time is valued are all cultural, and I'm guessing you just don't have it. and that is not your fault, it's called BEING RAISED IN THE STATES.

again, you want to make straw men ? fine with me. it amuses me to watch your inferiority complex (and or trolling, which ever)come to the front every time you interact.

me? I'm likely not better than you at french. for the thrid time now.

But hey, don't let me stop you from defining yourself as "other" if it makes you happy. when you go to france, making the kinds of mistakes you make in your language, and say to them "I'm french", i'm sure they will smile at you and say "of course! Now let's a go on strike!"

Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi.12:58, 31 October 2011

No no no. He was only "other" before his glorious revolution (the one in which you were rendered an anchronism) that rescued the subalterns from years of post-colonialism oppression at the hands of the Bureaucrat class. Now he is the Voice of a New RationalWiki. Get use to it, Godot. This is not your circlejerk anymore. I'm sorry my dear but you're history, and not even interesting history.

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg13:22, 31 October 2011

You missed out a reference to persecuting Jews.

ADK...I'll masturbate your dystopia!13:27, 31 October 2011

Shows how much you were paying attention, Armondikov. It wasn't a reference to persecuting Jews. It was a reference to murdering thousands of Jews, which was obviously the state of affairs here on RationalWiki before Brx seized control from an abusive patriarchy patriarchy that was perfectly happy condoning and even encouraging trolling and harassment. Count yourself lucky you weren't disappeared or even murdered for your views like were so many Jews in 1391 and former bureaucrats in 2011.

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg13:46, 31 October 2011

Yes, but compared to the sheer Fascist actions of the Elite of RationalWiki, the difference between murdering and persecuting is merely minimal bean counting!

ADK...I'll edify your lollipop!13:48, 31 October 2011

We had to be stopped. I'm sure facilitating Brx's velvet revolution was exactly what you had in mind when you messed around with user rights back in may. Anything to stop the genocide.

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg13:53, 31 October 2011
 

I have to admit, it's kinda funny when both Blue and Nutty agree on someone.

I was talking about a law that was "trying" to be passed here in Colo, and the Dem gov, the Republican house and the Mixed senate all SCREAMED "NO NO NO NO, FUCKING NO". You have to admit, if people from all sides agree, then it's a really fucking scary prospect.

Now, piss off. I'm 10 months away from being french, myself, and have to go practice dressing in stylish layers (and if you ever saw how "hick lazy" I dress, this is seriously a learning curve- are there even obese french people?), acting superior (oh, wait, maybe he *is* french), and learning how to go on strike once every other month.

vive le chocolat!~

Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi.14:00, 31 October 2011

Psh. I agree with Blue and AD a lot more than I disagree. I regret that I've come off as angry when it comes to policy stuff and that things are too polarized for that to be apparent. They're goosestepping fascists ready to line us all up and assign us numbers to stand in line for soup but they're mostly alright and they've definitely got RW's best interests at heart. Cuddles, the Sainted Nutty Roux

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg14:20, 31 October 2011

I just want us all to get along? Why can't we all just get along. Just get along, all of us - why can't we? We cant just get along, all of us. Just get along, little dogies get along.

Pink mowse.pngGodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi.14:26, 31 October 2011