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[edit] Amirite?

Baraminology, also known as Barmyology, is a branch of biology pseudoscience that attempts to...

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[edit] Ten million known species?

We should correct that. Estimates for species of animal run to 50 million, but there are only about 1.2 million known species.

[edit] Biblical Hebrew grammar, etc.

I refrained from reverting the latest changes only because I don't want to get into a edit war. Let's discuss this a bit here in the talk pages and see if we can reach a consensus. Here are a couple of observations of my own, FWIW. The particle et can be dropped in poetry and ancient Hebrew as a marker of the object. But there is the obvious paradigm staring us in the face, with bara elohim et-. One has to be deaf to the actualities of Biblical Hebrew not to hear bara min as replacing elohim with min in that phrase. ISTM obvious that the coiner of the neologism bara min was so deaf, and should be called on that. Moreover, ISTM that the coiner of that phrase just lifted the words bara and min as the citation forms of the words from a glossary of Biblical Hebrew - I'm guessing from Strong's Concordance, where one looks up the number from the entry "created" and directed to the citation form bara - where, to compound the grammatical blunder, bara happens to be the standard citation form for Hebrew verbs, 3rd person masculine singular perfect, which happens to be an appropriate form to be translated "created", which in English happens to be homophonic with the passive participle in the intended phrase "created kind". But in Hebrew, the participle is another form, in this case baru. So, I suggest, that a person coined the phrase with no regard to either English or Hebrew grammar - either the conventional word order, or syntax, or, indeed, the paradigm staring us in the face, bara elohim.

And I ask those many who are far more knowledgeable than I am about the Hebrew language to correct me.

Oh, by the way, I suggest that one not use the word "species" in translating the word min in Biblical Hebrew. The concept of species did not appear until something 2000 years after this was written. Not to mention several difficulties about whether the word min is even a noun with any denotation at all. Not every noun "names a person, place or thing". TomS TDotO (talk) 15:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

If you know anything about this, you know more than me - David Gerard (talk) 21:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

[edit] A goat for you

Hey guys, just to let you know, in Polish the word 'baran' means 'ram' and is frequently used as an insult for dumb people, essentially meaning 'dummy' or 'idiot'. I've seen similar references on other pages, though we could add it at the end of article. 213.48.106.145 (talk) 09:02, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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