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To be fair, while maybe not named Hell, in Revelations it does talk of a lake of fire and brimstone where the evil ones will be cast for all eternity. Researcher 17:27, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Yes, and Jesus is reported to have said "It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to keep both hands and go to Hell and the unquenchable fire. And if your foot is your undoing, cut it off; it is better to enter into life a cripple than to keep both your feet and be thrown into Hell. And if it is your eye, tear it out; it is better to enter into the Kingdom of God with one eye than to keep both eyes and be thrown into Hell, where the devouring worm never dies and the fire is not quenched." (Mark 9). And the Old Testament imtermittently rambles about the pit of Sheol and the like. The bit about there being only one mention of hell in the Bible is obviously wrong.--ConservapediaRoolz 08:20, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
Go ahead and add it then :p ArmondikoVmoral 09:18, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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[edit] Sheol, hades, Gehenna, Abraham's Bosom etc.

First of all, I'm being serious about "abraham's Bosson (read the link)

Shouldn't we have a section on those? They're all translated to hell, and mean somethign different depending on the denomination/Christian/nutty website. For example, Sheol is portrayed as a place the the dead go before the Lake of Fire, while Abraham's Bosom (Yes, it's called that) is sometimes said to be where the saved go before Jesus comes back.

However, Sheol, depending on who you believe, is either just Nothingness, as places like Inplainsite.orgIn Plain Site believe, or it's a place where demons can torture everyone in... vivid ways (In the lake of fire AFTER Jesus comes back, that's when the demons are tortured too). I'm guessing that's where the disturbingly vivid descriptions of hell by people who claim to have a Near-Death Experience, or vision of it come from.

Sorry for digressing, btw. Anyways, should these have a seperate article, a new section here, or is it now worth considering?--Pokefrazer (talk) 03:58, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


[edit] Visions of hell

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hell&qs=n&form=QBVR&pq=hell&sc=8-11&sp=-1&sk=

You guys never explain the sounds, visions, and testimonies of people in hell. Some testimonies are so vivid they can be downright frightening. Nor Demons coming back to talk about them.

Do you guys have an explanation for these visions?— Unsigned, by: Hell Believer42 / talk / contribs

Are there any specific visions that need an explanation beyond dreams, hallucinations and fabrications? Also, what demons would those be?
P.S. Sign your talk page posts with four '~' characters or the button that looks like a pen. --SpecialFFrog (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
P.P.S. Search engine results for a query leave your actual supporting "evidence" purposefuly vague, and it doesn't help your argument. Link the results you think matter. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 17:09, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
If Hell is a singular place of a singular faith...why does everyone have a different experience seemingly based on their beliefs? If Hell is a real place the spirit can only experience why would the memories be recorded in a physical brain that didn't experience it? -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I will give two examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPxu5Q8vl5o
A south Korean pastor tells of her experiences in hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuer_zvPR0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD27lwRpIaY
And a demon talking aobut hell froma teenage girl and being exorcised, part one and two.
  • Are there any specific visions that need an explanation beyond dreams, hallucinations and fabrications?
I understand the fabrications bit, but why should dreams and hallucinations not be considered visions? Better yet, what about near-death experiences? People have reported seeing hell while brain dead, and even blind people are known to have visions during said experiences. Blind people dream with no sight, yet have sight during NDEs. This shows it's not a dream, but a vision.— Unsigned, by: Hell Believer42 / talk / contribs
Again, please sign your talk page posts. So, the largest study on NDEs ever found no evidence that NDEs involve actually leaving your body. Do you have any evidence to support a) anyone coming back from brain death ever or b) blind people having the experience you describe? Also, how do you know the alleged exorcism is actually an exorcism.
Note, videos of people describing their experience with no corroboration to the rest of their stories is hardly compelling evidence.--SpecialFFrog (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
An old skeptic standby: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, believer42. If something is intended to overturn the neurological model of the mind, it should have evidence beyond easily fabricated anecdotes. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 17:53, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Either way, how does one say if a dream or hallucination are real versus made up by the brain? -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 17:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
One of the linked videos is from here: The April and Wayne Show. --SpecialFFrog (talk) 18:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
@ECW, my own argument is one from a scientism(sic) perspective: actual reality has a consistent, measurable, interrelated, and predictable quality that is hard for a human mind to duplicate. Thus hallucinations, dreams, and delusions are characteristically different that experienced reality. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:38, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I am thinking of a more simplistic view. If dreams/hallucinations can be a vision, like the kid from Boy Who Came Back From Heaven, how can we tell real "visions" from made up ones like the kid's story? Singular dreams/hallucinations pretty much fail any test like that by default. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Last night I had a dream that I was in a video game. Therefore reality is a video game. Checkmate, atheists! --Ymir (talk) 10:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] How long

I could be wrong, but isn't there a relatively similar idea in Rabbinic Judaism that predates the 2000 years ago figure? WalkerWalkerWalker 23:33, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Oi. Okay that is kind of a mess to sort out and compare. WalkerWalkerWalker 23:50, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Hel peninsula

There's also Hel peninsula in Poland en even 666 bus line to it. --Voidghost (talk) 08:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

[edit] The Norse had the right idea

Get rid of all the fighters and let those who lived 'mostly peacefully' start all over again. 86.146.99.68 (talk) 21:08, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Digging down to hell

Doesn't this trope occur elsewhere?

There is a 'story about someone visiting the afterlife' - summarising: the people in Hell have long cutlery/chopsticks and are having trouble feeding themselves and those in heaven are feeding each other.

If the way to hell is paved with good intentions (not carried through), is the way to heaven paved with bad intentions (not carried through)?

Given that 'certain people' banish everybody who doesn't fit into a narrow definition of 'good behaviour' for every moment of their life to hell what happens when Hell gets too overcrowded (or those banished to hell start fighting with each other/badmouthing Satan/trying to convert the devils to some other way of thinking) etc?

Most people are 'mostly good/decide to enjoy desiring persons and things/do no more than idly wish something unpleasant happens to someone who is being a nuisance' - so why should they be sent to hell for such activities (purgatory in some form seems more logical for this category) (who here would not place themselves in this category?) 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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