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Er, thanks for setting me straight yesterday on the whole "radical v. mainstream" feminism thing. I also thought I would tell you I'm not a complete Paultard. But anyway, thanks.

Colonel Sanders (talk)18:53, 1 January 2012

shrugs. :-) I've since been told that my view of "mainstream" is wrong. (rolls eyes). I think everyone lives in their own world. :-) It's no biggie either way.

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live21:04, 1 January 2012

I did like ADK's term "sex positive". I hope more women who call themselves feminists are that... I don't know.

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live21:04, 1 January 2012

I'm a sex-positive feminist man. Is that close enough?

Fuckertalk to me :D|see my shit21:16, 1 January 2012

depends, does your mother, sister, friend, daughter, and sexual partner (if female) think so? :-)

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live21:18, 1 January 2012

Mother: no, as she's a conservative Christian and I don't really tell her things. Sister: don't have one. Friend: don't have one. Daughter: don't have one. Sexual partner: don't have one :(

Fartertalk to me :D|see my shit21:50, 1 January 2012

I think Fallacy needs a hug now.

ʤɱ digital native21:55, 1 January 2012

Clearly! A nice Sex-Positive Feminists should have all of those. (well, cept the sister, that's not really in his control).

What type of sex-positive feminists do you look for, and i can send my single friends along. Well, if you live in Denver or Paris. otherwise, they'd have to fly out to you. heh.

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live21:57, 1 January 2012

I don't think that'd work out so well -- I'm a socially awkward fifteen-year-old boy with virtually no self-esteem and a tendency to make self-deprecating statements.

Fuckertalk to me :D|see my shit22:00, 1 January 2012

you're fiveteen? jaw drops. Damn.

How did you get yourself so "mature sounding". ;-)

ok, i don't know any teen girls, sorry.

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live22:03, 1 January 2012

The age for maturity is dropping every year. This wiki is filled with teenage "aspie fascists" really.

Peter Urist for Mod!(MW)22:07, 1 January 2012

I think it's just because the Internet has given shy fuckwads like me an outlet and form of socialization. It's like the new DnD, only a little less geeky.

Fuckertalk to me :D|see my shit22:09, 1 January 2012

Well, don't tell MC - I may be over his "ban all members underneath the age of 16" rule, but you're not. :P

Peter Urist for Mod!(MW)22:16, 1 January 2012

Oh my God, that Constitution is glorious.

Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.23:58, 1 January 2012
 
 

only in some ways. I no longer teach at Uni, but I have friends who stuck it out, and they say that while teens may be getting more mature faster, they don't actually figure out how to become independent adults.

That is, at Uni, parents call my friends to tell them they are grading wrong; the parents intervene in housing situations (I don't like my room mate, fix it); parents are their holding the hands of kids as they decide what classes to take; and they clean up the kid's messes.

School was never like that for us. (I was in college 84-2001). We dealt with our choices, tried our best - we did ask for advice, but not "help". parents never called the school to intervene, unless something extremely serious happened. (I heard of one professor who was molesting the girls, so that kind of thing, sure.)

so maybe they aren't allowed to be kid kids long enough, so when it's time to become adults, they aren't ready? or parents just coddle. not sure which.

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live22:13, 1 January 2012

That sounds about right. I'd say it's a little more the former than the latter, but I wouldn't really know.

Peter Urist for Mod!(MW)22:17, 1 January 2012
 
 

Trust me, I'm far more immature than I like to make myself sound at times.

Fuckertalk to me :D|see my shit22:07, 1 January 2012
 
 
 
 
 
 

*jump up and down* Me too! Me too! *jump up and down*

ʤɱ digital native21:23, 1 January 2012
 

I did send you Maggie Mayhem's blog didn't I?

Though "sex positivity" is sometimes synonymous with "third wave feminism" from what I've seen.

Scarlet A.pngpathetic00:27, 2 January 2012

I'm not sure anymore. I just come, react, interact, and go. I don't pay much attention.

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live00:35, 2 January 2012

This not particular SFW one - interesting one near the top about "adopt an atheist", but in general it's the sort of "sex positivity" that I like. It's not like telling people what not to do, or being judgmental, but it's very, well, sensible.

Scarlet A.pngsshole00:43, 2 January 2012

See, that's what it all **should** be. "do what feels good". I have my "feminst" rules

  • do not do something cause others are doing it.
  • do not do something if you feel pressured
  • start slow, if you like it go on. Tell your partner you've never done X, so you may or may not do it, but you'll explore (if you want). They should expect you to say "euuu" or "nope" and not get angry, in my mind.
  • if you can get paid, and you want to get paid, you should be ABLE to get paid.


I think our culture does push girls (and boys? Probably) into sex too early, and too MUCH for them to handle, so I'd really like better, more open and positive sex discussions. "look it's out there, but you have a life time to try it. start slow and get to know what you like". but that's just me.

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live00:48, 2 January 2012
 

As far as I can tell, "sex positive" means "I'm into really kinky shit and the radfems call me a tool of the patriarchy."

Nebuchadnezzar (talk)00:47, 2 January 2012

I've been waiting for you (and indirectly, your lovely lady's opinions) to chime in on this. :-)

Pink mowse.pngGodotEn live00:49, 2 January 2012
 
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It often is, but when you think about it that's not surprising. If you're "into" something, then you're far less likely to be judgmental, you'll know and have a feeling of what it's like to enjoy something that's not mainstream. All this combines into a knowledge of how to make moral judgments about sexuality that aren't didactic or based on some prescribed belief. So simply how you live gives you a perspective that says "do what you feel is right, but know what you're doing"

Scarlet A.pngsshole01:03, 2 January 2012

Most of the writing about "dirty" sex, whether its peddled by rad fems, fundies, or "therapists" (curse you, Freud!) works the same way: Start off with stereotypical assumptions about said act, JAQ off a bit about how it might have been caused by the patriarchy/Satan/child abuse, and therefore it's bad! Wash, rinse, repeat and you've got an entire book's worth of material, ready for sale!

Nebuchadnezzar (talk)01:30, 2 January 2012

Sounds about right. But the thing is, unless you practice it personally, what do you really have to go on apart from the stereotypical assumptions?

Of course it's slightly circular in the fact that if you hold such an opinion on it you won't be interested in reading around and beyond those assumptions.

Also - since I can't be fussed with starting a thread for it - new series of Sherlock has Irene Adler as a dominatrix. I am seriously considering taking up smoking from just 15 minutes of this episode so far.

Scarlet A.pngnarchist01:50, 2 January 2012

Well, there's the apparently not-so-obvious method of actually talking to people who do practice it.

Speaking of stereotypes...

Nebuchadnezzar (talk)03:23, 2 January 2012

Yes, but if I held such a negative and stereotypical idea, why would I want to talk to such heathens?

Scarlet A.pngsshole03:26, 2 January 2012

True, but I think you're looking for a different word than "heathens." :P

Nebuchadnezzar (talk)03:31, 2 January 2012

"Heathens", "rationalists", "us". Same difference.

Scarlet A.pngbomination03:37, 2 January 2012
 
 

"Vagrant Story: It's not quite clear why, but about half of the cast is walking around in BDSM gear. And spouting faux-Shakespearian dialogue."

This specifically never occurred to me, mostly because if you really want to stretch it you could say that about any Japanese RPG. Though IIRC Callo does spend a significant portion of the game tied up. Oh well.

Scarlet A.pngd hominem03:36, 2 January 2012