Essay:The most honest (and the worst) creationist answer
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I was arguing with a creationist about the "argument from fine tuning" and naturally the argument turned to ad Hominem attacks after about an hour. When I asked why their God (Yahweh) seems to sidestep every paradox, transitional fossil, refutation, contradiction, etc, I got this answer:
"Because God exists outside of our mundane laws of the universe. So anything that disproves him is made by the devil. You know, things like fossils, cancer-treatment, common sense... all make you the devil's plaything."
This answer made me pause, but not because I was stumped.
This was the most honest answer I've ever got. It shows the best argument creationism has, and Christianity in general. It shows arguing against religion is hopeless, but NOT because it's a good argument (20 bucks if this sentence is quote-mined up to the word hopeless).
- This argument shows that creationists have no real argument. Just an escape hatch. apparently whatever created the universe is outside the universe so goddidit. Why did GOD have to create it? This is a quote from a user at Khan academy on the cosmological argument:
"You wrote "However, it stands to reason that whatever created the universe has to be outside time and space (in other words, eternal and a mind) . . ." Where do you get "mind" from? You're right that it's reasonable to assert that anything outside our universe would be outside our notion of time and space (an important distinction because we don't actually know, therefore we can't assume to know, otherwise it would be an argument from ignorance again), but nothing implies that it must be an agent (a mind, a consciousness, that it has a will, etc.). The only thing we can say is that whatever is outside our universe (if anything at all) need not abide by the rules or constants of our universe. It's a terrible Non Sequitur to claim that it's a mind."[1]
It is also a TERRIBLE idea to think of the big bang as the absolute BEGINNING of the universe. It's just as far back as we can see. Anyone who says the universe BEGAN with the Big Bang doesn't understand it. This also shows creationists don't research what they refute. Is the universe infinnite? I don't know. However if it IS infinite, then it would refute monotheistic Gods (which is why Christians hate this theory). If it has a beginning, then LOOK AT THE ABOVE QUOTE! It's an argument from ignorance to assume Goddidit when it's OUTSIDE THE UNIVERSE! Things can get VERY bizarre when thinking about what is outside the universe. Whatever created the universe doesn't abide to our laws and physics, so an infinite amount of things could have created us!
And this is why "God being outside time and space" is a horrible argument. Sayonara.