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Anatoly Karlin
So, there's this guy who came over on the Discord who turned out to be this guy, who had this to say. Thought I'd mention this, since there is only one mod on the Discord and he claims that he's no longer an alt-righter. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 20:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Is there like a policy or precedent for this type of situation? KarmaPolice (talk) 20:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Have they verified their identity? Looking back, it seems GrammarCommie was the one who banned them and not Dysklyver as they claimed, though Dysk did accuse them of sockpuppeting (was this during the time that they were abusing checkuser?). There are no hits on the Chicken Coop, and the only ATIM case mentioning them is banning an alleged sock of them, so there's not much to go off of there. Did they provide evidence that they're no longer alt-right as a show of good faith? Plutocow (talk) 21:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the Wiki will gain anything by unbanning Anatoly Karlin. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 21:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see anything worthy of a ban in his edit history. The one thing worthy of a caution would be his single edit of the mainspace page about him. I would like to hear what @GrammarCommie has to say about the banning. A person should be allowed to provide verifiable evidence to us that anything about them on RW is incorrect. Nonetheless, I find it hard to believe that he is no longer a Putin fanboy. Bongolian (talk) 23:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the Wiki will gain anything by unbanning Anatoly Karlin. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 21:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Have they verified their identity? Looking back, it seems GrammarCommie was the one who banned them and not Dysklyver as they claimed, though Dysk did accuse them of sockpuppeting (was this during the time that they were abusing checkuser?). There are no hits on the Chicken Coop, and the only ATIM case mentioning them is banning an alleged sock of them, so there's not much to go off of there. Did they provide evidence that they're no longer alt-right as a show of good faith? Plutocow (talk) 21:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Some BoN put this on my talkpage. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 09:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- This Karlin guy is still a eugenicist/far-right extremist and carnivore diet/keto troll. Only a few minutes ago on his Twitter he is defending Nathan Cofnas a far-right race realist who was just sacked from Emmanuel College [1]. Karlin associates heavily online with the far-right, he is not left-wing.
- His recent talk at Vitalia only 2 months ago cites Emil Kirkegaard and Bo Winegard two of his heroes. He's never moved on. He is currently heavily associated with Aporia Magazine and was recently interviewed by a white nationalist Alex Kaschuta [2] in which he claims to have converted to the "big gae" which is obviously a trolling attempt. Despite now claiming to be pro LGBT he still identifies as an eugenicist and is still a proponent of racialism which he lectures on. He's lost a lot of support on Twitter because people have worked out he is unstable and changes his contradictory views every 5 minutes. He's a self confessed glue sniffer so it's hard to take most of what he says seriously. He is still very much involved with the alt-right community despite his claims to the contrary. I have not looked into his ban here but it should be noted this guy has been blocked hundreds of times on Wikipedia. If there was socking here I doubt he was innocent but we seem to be talking about events from years ago. His agenda is probably to try and get back on his article to white-wash any criticisms of his far-right views. Johns (talk) 11:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, you've convinced me. KarmaPolice (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately there has been a recent grift by alt-right/far-right influencers who have come out and tried to deny their racist past and now claim to be left-wing in recent years. The most notable example of this is Richard Hanania. Karlin is close friends with Hanania and decided to copy his example. Another one that has tried this recently is Simon Webb. We all know the grift is nonsense because these influencers if you check their content and or social media it's still all the same far-right stuff they post. They also hang around with the same far-right followers like Bronze Age Pervert or Emil Kirkegaard so the claims about changing views are not genuine. They just try and re-package their eugenics or racism under a new name on their substack to try and pick up more followers. Even Richard Spencer came out last year and said he is no longer a white nationalist. It appears none of the far-right influencers want to use that term anymore. Johns (talk) 12:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they're not even particularly convincing about their purported changes of heart. Glue sniffing and other inhalants are among the stupider drugs to do.[3][4][5] It makes me want to break into song! Oh, wait, The Ramones already did that.[6] Bongolian (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I remember that song. Glue sniffing used to be popular with skinheads and punks in London around 1982-1986, I remember seeing them. There is an interesting review here on the harmful effects of glue sniffing [7], neurological damage long-term. Karlin says he has been glue sniffing for a decade so he's probably gone mad. I think Karlin is trying to remove his name from the Aporia Magazine, or remove it from the lead on a couple of new accounts. It's probably worth watching these articles for a few days. Johns (talk) 00:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they're not even particularly convincing about their purported changes of heart. Glue sniffing and other inhalants are among the stupider drugs to do.[3][4][5] It makes me want to break into song! Oh, wait, The Ramones already did that.[6] Bongolian (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately there has been a recent grift by alt-right/far-right influencers who have come out and tried to deny their racist past and now claim to be left-wing in recent years. The most notable example of this is Richard Hanania. Karlin is close friends with Hanania and decided to copy his example. Another one that has tried this recently is Simon Webb. We all know the grift is nonsense because these influencers if you check their content and or social media it's still all the same far-right stuff they post. They also hang around with the same far-right followers like Bronze Age Pervert or Emil Kirkegaard so the claims about changing views are not genuine. They just try and re-package their eugenics or racism under a new name on their substack to try and pick up more followers. Even Richard Spencer came out last year and said he is no longer a white nationalist. It appears none of the far-right influencers want to use that term anymore. Johns (talk) 12:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, you've convinced me. KarmaPolice (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- His recent talk at Vitalia only 2 months ago cites Emil Kirkegaard and Bo Winegard two of his heroes. He's never moved on. He is currently heavily associated with Aporia Magazine and was recently interviewed by a white nationalist Alex Kaschuta [2] in which he claims to have converted to the "big gae" which is obviously a trolling attempt. Despite now claiming to be pro LGBT he still identifies as an eugenicist and is still a proponent of racialism which he lectures on. He's lost a lot of support on Twitter because people have worked out he is unstable and changes his contradictory views every 5 minutes. He's a self confessed glue sniffer so it's hard to take most of what he says seriously. He is still very much involved with the alt-right community despite his claims to the contrary. I have not looked into his ban here but it should be noted this guy has been blocked hundreds of times on Wikipedia. If there was socking here I doubt he was innocent but we seem to be talking about events from years ago. His agenda is probably to try and get back on his article to white-wash any criticisms of his far-right views. Johns (talk) 11:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)