Essay talk:The errors of Kevin M. Kruse

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>a challenge by D'Souza to name "200 or so racist Dixiecrats who switched parties." Cramer was not a Dixiecrat.

"He needs to name 200 people from a party formed and dissolved in 1948. I'm going to take the narrowest possible definition of the word (not used by either party in this conversation) so I got him for mentioning a guy who switched in 1949" Buck (talk) 10:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Membership in the States' Rights Democratic Party of 1948 constitutes the technical definition of a Dixiecrat, although even a vaguer means of defining the term still would not include Cramer in it. His supporters were Northern migrants and minorities such as Cubans. And Cramer did not sign the Southern Manifesto against Brown in 1956.
Nice try, pal. Come back when you research some actual facts. UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 01:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I think you missed the "not used by either party in the conversation" bit, but that's ok. There's no problem with implementing your own criteria into a discussion you weren't a part of, right? Anyway, yes the Floridan Republican who appeals to the Cuban vote is highly unusual, and the Southern Manifesto serves as the only test of a racist.
Him opposing Eisenhower on LR, opposing bussing, attacking other Republicans for being "liberal" for supporting bussing, and voting against the 1964 CRA doesn't mean he is racist either! After all, he did vote for the 1968 CRA!
Well, I mean he voted for a rehashing of his pet anti-riot project, (which eventually became Title X in the 1968 CRA) (, and he did kinda vote no for the revised 1968 bill that was actually signed into law...(
But hey, you can't blame him for being mad! They took his pet project and stuffed all these lame civil rights into it, and he was super mad that they took out the ability to declare any civil disobedience that had "racial motivation" a riot. (
There's also some real fun correspondence with Bob Dole in '67 out there where he conveys some...interesting letters from the public about how they don't want to rent to blacks, have them in the streets being annoying, and how much of a monster MLK is etc. to get him to support his anti-riot bill, but it's a damn good thing he didn't sign the Southern Manifesto, huh? Buck (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Defending Jesse Helms[edit]

That says it all, really. The man opposed the Civil Rights movement every step of the way but he's not a racist because he said so?Do You Believe That? Vomitorium (talk) 04:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Your inability to evaluate factuality is noted. Ushit the dipshit (I shit, Ushit...) 04:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC) Vomitorium (talk) 04:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)